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House of Assembly Session 2022/2023 517 speeches

July 21, 2023

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Session Summary

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This was a routine sitting focused on government updates rather than debates on new legislation. The Premier reported on government reform achievements including leadership training programs and public service awards. Ministers provided progress reports on ongoing infrastructure projects, particularly road repairs being delayed by utility work, and announced significant increases to financial assistance and child care benefits taking effect in October 2023.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Jul 21, 2023
Session 2022/2023
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Speakers 28
Speeches 517

Key Topics

Government reform progress update covering public service improvements and leadership programsTourism Investment Act 2017 awareness campaign to help local restaurants and attractions access tax reliefIsland-wide roadworks update including BELCO trenching projects and road paving plansSchool graduation results for Berkeley Institute and CedarBridge Academy's Class of 2023Airport fire rescue services staffing with 24 new Bermudian firefighters being trainedIncreased financial assistance benefits for seniors, disabled, and low-income residentsEnhanced child day care allowance with expanded eligibility up to $130,000 household income

Bills & Motions

Financial Assistance Amendment Regulations 2023 - tabled for information
Child Day Care Allowance Amendment Regulations 2023 - tabled for information
Note: No bills were debated or voted on during this sitting. The session consisted entirely of ministerial statements providing updates on government programs and services.

Notable Moments

The Premier thanked Dr. Derrick Binns, Head of Public Service, who was retiring after 37 years of service on his last day
The Works Minister acknowledged public frustration with road conditions, explaining that fixing all poor roads would cost $100 million over 10 years
240 students graduated from Bermuda's two senior schools despite pandemic challenges during their high school years

Debate Transcript

517 speeches from 28 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. The Acting Clerk will lead us in prayer this morning. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Mr. Clark Somner , Acting Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members . The House is now in session. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 14 July 2023 ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 14th of July have been circulated. Are there any amendments or adjustments required? There are none. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 14 July 2023 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker The following Members have indicated that they will be absent today: Minister Tinee Furbert, Minister Kim Wilson and MP Ant hony Richardson. 45 TH CPA REGIONAL CONFERENCE AND THE 13TH COMMONWEALTH WOMEN PARLIAMENTARIANS CONFERENCE IN TURKS AND CAICOS BERMUDA DELEGATION
The Speaker The Speaker I would also like to announce the delegation attending the 45th CPA Regional Conference and the 13th Commonwealth Women Parliamentarians Conference in Turks and Caicos , the Bermuda delegation for this is MP Susan Jackson, MP Lovitta Foggo, Senator Arianna Hodgson, and our Assistant Clerk, designated Deputy Clerk, Ms. [Kara …
The Speaker The Speaker Also, Members, I would like to make mention of the 190 th anniversary of the passage of the Emancipation Bill in the British House of Parliament. And I make mention of it because tomorrow is that anniversary. July 22 marks the 190th anniversary of the passage of the Emancipation Bill …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUS E
The Speaker The Speaker There are two papers this morning. The first is in the name of the Minister of Economy and La-bour. Actually, they both are in his name. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. 1700 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2023 Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honour-able House of Assembly the Financial Assistance Amendment Regulations 2023, as made by the Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would you like to present the second? CHILD DAY CARE ALLOWANCE AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2023 Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honour-able House of Assembly the Child Day Care Allowance Amendment Regulations 2023, as made by …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker We have eight Statements this morning. The first is in the name of the Premier. Premier, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. E. David Burt: Certainly. Good morning to you,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Good morning. GOVERNMENT REFORM 2019 –2023 REVIEW AND PLANNING FOR 2024 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to provide an update on the Government Reform initiative. In the Government’s 2017 platform, we committed to reforming the public service. And as we have shown time and again, this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Tourism and Cabinet Office. Minister Campbell. Hon. Vance Campbell: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. TOURISM INVESTMENT ACT 2017 AWARENESS Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I wish to provide this Honourable House with an update on the Ministry of Tourism and the Cabinet Office’s efforts to engage our industry stakeholders on the recently amended Tourism Investment Act 2017 . Mr. Speaker, a few …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is by the Minister of Works. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. UPDATE ON ISLAND- WIDE ROADWORKS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, as I traverse across the Island daily to undertake the roles that the people of Bermuda have entrusted me with, I physically feel e very crack and crevasse on our roads. Mr. Speaker, Members of this Honourable House and the listening public should note that I am intrinsically …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch However, before I begin, a slight reminder to Honourable Members: A “pull hole” is a hole dug every 800 feet in the road to allow for cables to be pulled through the laid conduits and to be joined. With this reminder given, I deliver the following status regarding the t …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Education. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. 2023 SENIOR SCHOOL GRADUATIONS Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday, June 28, and Friday, June 30, [respectively], I had the pleasure of attending the graduation ceremonies for both The Berkeley Institute and CedarBridge Academy. During each of the last six years, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Minister. AIRPORT FIRE RESCUE SERVICES Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to you. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to provide this Honourable House with an update on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister. INCREASING BENEFITS FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE RECIPIENTS Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to introduce amendments to the Schedule of the Financial Assistance Regulations 2004, which is entitled …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement is also in the name of the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister. NEW AND IMPROVED CHILD DAY CARE ALLOWANCE BENEFITS Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, today I laid before this Honourable House the Child Day Care Allowance Amendment Regulations 2023. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the final Statement this morning is in the name of Minister of Transport. Minister. BERMUDA HAS TRANSPORTATION WIN ON THE 15 TH OF JULY Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to everyone. I rise t oday to address the significant milestone …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, this brings us to a close of the Statements for this morning. We will now move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Ministers, there are Members who have indicated that they have questions for your Statements this morning. So we will take the Question Period now, and it is 10:56. The first question this morning is for the Minister of Tourism. The question is from MP C annonier. MP Cannonier, you have …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, thank you. And good morning, colleagues and to Bermuda, Mr. Speaker. Yes. My question is, assuming some thought has gone into the types of concessions that [the Minister of] Tourism is looking for to expand and the fact that the Minister has spoken about investment into concessions that would …
The Speaker The Speaker Could you clarify a bit, Honourable Member?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Sure. I am just interested if the Minister could give the public an idea of some of the concessions that they may have identified as those things we would like to see our private individuals, our Bermudians, getting involved in to help with the product.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Attractions.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Attractions or . . . [Inaudible i nterjections] Hon. Vance Campbell: The primary concessions — [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister is on his feet. Hon. Vance Campbell: The primary concessions are around the importation, the customs duty relief. And if you are a new restaurant, you will also get the concession of the employer’s portion of the payroll tax.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Vance Campbell: Again, all of this is in the public domain.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Supplementary? Supplementary or . . . okay. No further questions. Minister, that brings an end to your questions. The next Statement this morning that has questions is for the Minister of Work s. Minister of Works, MP Cannonier would like to put a question to you. MP Cannonier. QUESTION …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering that we have increased the resources to $2.9 [mill ion] for the roads, and the Minister mentioned that balancing this type of thing off with the resources and the like is important. Understanding that with the $2.927 million that he has increased it …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, the short answer is yes. We have an agreement with East End Asphalt to provide support for us, both in terms of prod-uct (i.e., asphalt) as well as equipment. And we trade often in that regar d. We have not finished looking at the funding that we have …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No, second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question? QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON ISLAND- WIDE ROADWORKS
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, second question. I could be wrong, and I am hoping the Minister can correct it, do we know whether or not the asphalt plant is up and running? Are we making any repairs to get it up and running?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, that is a long story. [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We’ve got all day.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I will give the short version of it. We have had a full assessment of the plant that is about 30 years old. It is still a viable entity that can be repaired and kept in service for an extended period of time. So we are on the pathway of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Does the Minister have an idea of what it would cost to get us to a point of being operational at the level that he would like at the quarry for the asphalt?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, the last estimate which was, I guess . . . I get confused about the class . . . whatever. The most questionable estimate is about $2 million.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, second supplementary. Based on the answer that [the Honourable Minister] gave, for the asphalt itself, are we looking at al-ternative sources for the sourcing of the asphalt in and of itself? I am aware of where we used to buy it, but are we looking at other sources that …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: I am not sure I understand the purchasing asphalt . The only place that we purchase asphalt from now, other than from our plant, is from East End Asphalt.
Mr. L. Cra ig Cannonier You are not bringing any in at all then?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch We are bringing in aggregate.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And we bring in the other materials to make the asphalt. But we produce the asphalt ourselves, or East End does.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Third question?
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Minister, that brings to a close the questions for you this morning. Members, the next Statement that has questions this morning is the Statement by the Minister of National Security. Minister, MP Dunkley has questions for you. MP. QUESTION 1: AIRPORT FIRE RESCUE SERVICES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Speaker, thank you for that. The short answer is yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Second question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. Go ahead. QUESTION 2: AIRPORT FIRE RES CUE SERVICES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Minister in his Statement referred to the extraordinary challenges. And those are my words. I know you use extraordinary because similar recruitment drives are taking place within the Ministry. Can the Minister give …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The similar recruitment drives are still ongoing. And as we complete the process, I have no problem bringing the result s to the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No. Next question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Third question. QUESTION 3: AIRPORT FIRE RESCUE SERVICES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. In the Statement, the Mi nister focused in on the Airport Fire and Rescue Service. And we all know, Honourable Members in this House and the members of the public are all aware that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Speaker, we have just finished a recruitment drive for the airport. As the Honourable Member will know, being a former Minister of National Security, it was a critical stage that the Government went through when we had to triple the number of firefighters at …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the answer to part of the question. So I will use my supplementary to re- examine the question again. Can the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House of the current staffing levels, outside of airport operati ons, and …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 1712 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly At this time I would say it would be approximately 15 vacancies that exist in the Structural Division of the Fire Service. And now that we have gotten the airport …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? End of questions. Thank you. The final Statement that has questions this morning is that for the Minist er of Transport. Minister of Transport, MP Cannonier has questions for you. QUESTION 1: BERMUDA HAS TRANSPORTATION WIN ON THE 15 TH OF JULY
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister, identifying the fact that I believe you had a successful effort at dealing with such a number of folks coming to and visiting the Island, were you able to identify any challenges that we might have that we need to work on, …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Fur bert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are always improvements we can [make]. [Those are] getting some transportation [providers] to move faster than they do, and a faster turnaround. But other than that, it works out. There is always a chance f or improvement.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker I think he asked, could you identify any area? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, as other colleagues may be aware, we are working on a significant modernisation and harmonisation which we are trying to deal with, and we are working on that. Once we get that all sorted out, …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, supplementary. I did have the pri vilege of cruising back to Bermuda for, unfortunately (no one would think), medical reasons. But I could not fly. So upon arriving at Dockyard, unfortunately, the ship with almost 3,000 passengers, there were no taxis at all there. So that is why I …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, depending on which cruise ship he was on, sometimes . . . most taxi drivers . . . there are some taxi drivers who are there. But because of the movement of the individuals and serving, well, probably actually 7,000 cruise passengers at …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister please give us an update on how he is addressing the challenges at the bus depot in regard to servicing the community? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can you give an update on the challenges that you face …
The Speaker The Speaker I am actually thumbing through it now. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We had talked about the minibuses and the taxis coming from the cruise industry in Dockyard and in Horseshoe Bay. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: The St atement started with the Minister identifying what is his term “ …
The Speaker The Speaker Now, put your question then. Put your question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But I ha ve seen the video, Mr. Speaker, and if this Government wants to belittle the fact that people [are having trouble] getting transportation after talking about a win, they are turning the win into some long …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I am not sure whether the Honourable Member saw both videos. There were two videos going around. But let me just say— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, there are more than two videos going around. I have seen more than two videos. …
The Speaker The Speaker Just let the Minister speak to me. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, let me just say many have seen a video regarding tourists waiting at Horseshoe Bay for transportation. I am sure that is the video the Honourable Member saw, which I saw. I personally witnessed this on …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Zane J. S. D e Silva: Yes, Minister. Minister, would you agree or disagree that having a few dozen, hundreds or thousands of tourists down at the beach 1714 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly when they were hit with a torrential downpour …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, let me make it very clear. I am a person who loves tours. And when it rains, I get pretty well disappointed myself. Hence why on the 15 th I went personally, I left Dockyard, went to Horseshoe Bay and helped out the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Supplementary. Your second supplementary. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Honourable Minister. Can you address the facility being closed, the Horseshoe Bay beach pavilion? [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I hear Honourable Members say it is a private facility. But it is leased out from government, at our …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It makes sense for that facility to be open. I hear Honourable Members — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker! Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, but if they think it is good to have the facility closed, they are missing the boat. [Crosstalk] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, point of order!
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order . POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. I think the Honourable Member is misleading the House. If he is going to ask that question, Mr. Speaker, he should state the time of day that it was not open. …
The Speaker The Speaker Did you want the Member . . . is it included in his question? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It was the middle of the day, Mr. Speaker. So there is no excuse — Hon. Jason Hayward: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jason Hayward: The Minister he is addressing the question to is responsible for transportation. That is not the appropriate Minister to be addressing that question to. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, Mr. Speaker, the appropriate Minister is in the House. If he can …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, Members, Members, Members. Are we back on track, everyone? Okay. Everyone has calmed down? Good. You have a supplementary to the Mini ster? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I do, Mr. Speaker. Minister, are you aware of any other tourist destination in the world [that], when …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Any other supplementaries? MP Cannonier, you had asked one question and one supplementary. Do you have a second question? Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: No.
The Speaker The Speaker So you are finished with the questions. Thank you. Thank you. Members, this brings us to a close of questions for the Minister of Transport. It actually brings us to a close of the Question Period. Thank you for your participation. We will now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker I am just going to clear the clock and get us reset. Minister Burch, I see you in front, and I will take you first.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Bur ch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have commented previously about the challenges with onboarded staff within the public service and been the subject of some reprimand by members of the civil service. So, I will equally stand and offer congratulat ions to some onboarding of staff in the Ministry …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. MP Foggo, you jumped before the Minister was even finished.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like your three minutes?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Because, you know, that is what we are supposed to do to catch your eye, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Go right ahead, my dear. Let us see how that works this afternoon. [Laughter]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, I just have one note of condolences to the Furbert family in St. George’s, which is an extremely large family. We have lost Mr. Maurice Furbert. He was one of the owners of what was called Mama Angie’s or Furbert’s to most St. Georgians. His son now is …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo The whole House? I do not even know if the whole House k new him. But if you want the whole House associated, I shall associate the entire House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. MP Simmons, you have the floor.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to pay tribute to o ne of my most precious constituents, Ms. Josephine Matthew. Originally born in St. Kitts, she came to Bermuda many, many years ago and was the epitome of a generous soul, a community spirit and a lover of all …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Mr. Premier, you were quick to jump. You have your three minutes, sir. Hon. E. David Burt: You have got to try, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask that this Honourable House do send condolences, and I will associate all Members, on the passing of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Or Thursday, sorry. I was deeply saddened, and I am sure that all in this Honourable House and the country were sad-dened to learn of her passing. There is no question that she was a champion for children and for families and for the work …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: I had the honour of participating in the North Village Community Club’s 65 th Legends Ball last year where Mr. Romaine and other legends of the historic club were honoured. And my thoughts and prayers, and I am sure of the whole House, for …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. MP De Silva, you have your three minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to send condolences to [the family of] Jeanetta Simons from Somerset, affectionately known as “ Natta.” She spent her entire …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S . De Silva: She first lived on what is now Grandstand Lane, then Cook’s Hill, then Bob’s Valley, Sound View and then finally back to Cook’s Hill. She never left Somerset, Mr. Speaker. For those who knew her knew her husband, that is Millard, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I spoke about Shinah’s, his son Shinah’s wife’s mother’s passing just two weeks ago. And the funny thing about Natta was that she used to get asked all the time, How did you meet Shina h? And she said she could not …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you, MP. Minister Weeks, you have your three minutes. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to start off my remarks with congratulating one of my constituents. I am not sure if Members congratulated the participants of the Island Games last week, but I …
The Speaker The Speaker Some were done. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: But I want to talk about someone in particular. I have a y oung constituent, a 20- yearold constituent, who plays on the badminton team. He stays on Clarke’s Lane in North Shore. I just wanted to congratulate him and wish him well. …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Associate me, please. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: I will associate the MP Jarion Richardson. But, Mr. Speaker, it was six males, three women. I am happy to say they are all Bermudians and/or spouses of Bermudians, Mr. Speaker. So they are excited, and we are looking forward to their joining …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. MP Swan, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences to the Furbert/Dismont families and also to that of the Romaine family. On a happier note, I would like for congratulations to be sent to the founder and co- director of t he Shotokan martial …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The whole House!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I am sure the whole House–– who has realised t he 40- year dream in the Shotokan—
The Speaker The Speaker The entire House, yes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But the expressions of support from families and the young people and the respect shown to and from their senseis is something that is deserving of emulation in every sport and discipline in Bermuda. I would also like to send congratulations to those who participated and were recognised in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. MP Famous, you have three minutes on the clock. 1718 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Christopher Famous: Mr. Speaker, I come to your humble House with a heavy heart. Bermuda has lost quite a few people recently. But this week …
Mr. Christopher Famous And you will get to that later.
The Speaker The Speaker And MP Dunkley, you have your three minutes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences to the Saints and Tota families on the passing of those two wonderful ladies, and associated with the condolences by the Honourable Premier …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contr ibution at this time? There are none on their feet. Opposition Leader, you almost missed it. Opposition Leader, you have your three minutes on the clock. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise just to …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker They were a little confused that time. Just leave them. They are confused. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We note that.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is called desperation.
The Speaker The Speaker We will just leave them back there. [Crosstalk] INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are two Government Bills to be introduced this morning. The first is in the name of the Minister of Tourism and Cabinet Office. Minister. FIRST READING DISTILLERIES LICENSING ACT 2023 Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Sp eaker: And the second is in the name of the Minister of Transport. Minister. FIRST READING MOTOR CAR (CLASSIC CARS) AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are no Opposition Bills. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker No Private Members’ Bill s. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker There are two Orders to be discussed/debated today, the first being the Investment Funds Amendment Act 2023 and the second being the Contributory Pensions (Amendment of Benefits) (No. 2) Order 2023. I understand that due to the Premier’s attendance at on e of the funerals, he has asked that we …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue. DRAFT ORDER CONTRIBUTORY PENSIONS (AMENDMENT OF BENEFITS) (NO. 2) ORDER 2023 Hon. E. David Burt : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the tabling of the Contributory Pensions (Amendment of Benefits) (No. 2) Order 2023 last week in this Honourable House reflects …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow! Hon. E. David Burt: One pension increase in 55 months.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No point of order? Do a point of order! Hon. E. David Burt: None? Because it is the truth. Mr. Speaker, we went to the electorate. We said that we would make sure that seniors’ pensions keep up with t he rate of inflation. We have delivered that, and this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Member . . . Opposition Leader, would you like to make a contribution at this time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, I smile because— Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, we on this side recognise that there is a need to support our seniors during these difficult times. And so the 4.1 per cent …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. We will take it. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The SAGE Report had absolutely nothing to do with the Contributory Pension Fund. The Contributory Pension Fund is a separate fund from the Consolidated Fund, and the Contribution …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Just be guided by the remarks, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Guess what? The Contributory Pension Fund is not much better, Mr. Speaker. Quite frankly, I have a LifeWorks report in front of me, Mr. Speaker, and in 2000 the funds had …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, we will take your point of order. Yes, you can table it. But we will take your point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: You can table it. It was already tabled in the House. Mr. Speaker, point of order, if I may.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. Because what he is trying to say is that the deficit inside of the fund is the difference between the total future liabilities and the current assets. And what I said inside …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, Mr. Speaker, again, I stand by the actuarial report. And it is indisputable that there is a liability projected for future benefits of $5.5 billion. That is irrefutable, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said, and the Minister of Finance …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I did not say “imminent.” I said in the next session. I did not say “imminent.” We will come in September. We will have a Throne Speech. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Just be mindful of the comment. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, the next session is just three or four months away. So, in my mind that is imminent, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] 1 Repor t of the Auditor General on the Work of …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And this is from the late Heather Jacobs -Matthews. 1 “Due to serious deficiencies in the accounting records of the [Contributory Pen-sion] Fund and in the system of internal controls, I was not able to satisfy myself that all assets, liabilities, revenues and …
The Speaker The Speaker Hold on one second, Member. Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker. So that the Honourable Member does not mislead the House and the people of the country, I think that if he is going to quote from former Auditors Gen-eral, …
The Speaker The Speaker It’s Thomas Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: She said, “ To not bring the financial statements up to date sho uld not be an option.” Mr. Speaker, this is abominable. Because it shows a lack of proper governance. And so, it is fine to hand out the benefits and keep …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Members! Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: They have been handing out money and providing poor governance and poor oversight in regard to the management of the Contributory Pension Fund, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member! Member! Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, will you ask the Deputy Premier to stop chirping, please?
The Speaker The Speaker Member. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: He should be leading, showing an example for the country as a Deputy Premier. But his behaviour is unacceptable, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, you said it enough times. Next time you are going outside to say it. See? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Oh, yes, I like that! Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Go on. Talk to me, Mr. Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, Mr. Speaker, at the end of the day, as I said when I opened my comments, it is fine to make these payments. A nd we support the payments. But at the end of …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: I will not allow this Honourable Member to mislead the House. We know what was stated in the Budget Statements. We understand what has been stated by Finance Ministers since 2017, both former and current on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, just be mindful of the comments. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is interesting that [the Honourable Minister] makes those comments because frankly the same challenge . . . he cannot stand here today and say that the …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. I wanted to speak briefly on this Order partly because I recognise that you do not have to be a senior or close to being a senior to care about how our seniors are being treated. You see, not only do I have friends and family …
Mr. Jache Adams But in all seriousness, the Progressive L abour Party, as the Premier alluded to, without question reveres our seniors —the seniors who have laid the foundation, who have worked hard and sacri-ficed for this country. We often say that Bermuda punches above its weight, and a large part of that …
Mr. Jache Adams It is certainly within their character. So, Mr. Speaker, if that is in their playbook, and that is why I got up early because I am trying to say if it is in their playbook, I suggest they come with actual facts and cite their sources. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Let the conversation flow this way. [Laughter]
Mr. Jache Adams We have got them riled up today, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will switch gears for a second and just say that this Government also recognises the importance and the need for reform of our social insurance system and the public sector pension plan. We have not shunned away from …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Adams. Premier, we have got two minutes before that time. Do you want to make that call now, or do you want to use up the two minutes? Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Knowing that I have a funeral [to attend], Mr. Speaker . . . But …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any objections to that? There are none. The House now stands adjourned until 2:00 pm. Proceedings suspended at 12:28 pm Proceedings resumed at 2: 01 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. I trust everyone had an enjoyable lunch and is ready to settle back in for the afternoon session. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker The House is now in session. MP Adams had finished. Who is speaking next? [Inaudible interjections] The S peaker: MP Adams had finished and we went to lunch, before anyone else got up. . . so— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Anyone else who would like to add to the contribution . . . make a contribution now? Minister Hayward. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. DRAFT ORDER CONTRIBUTORY PENSIONS (AMENDMENT OF BENEFITS) (NO. 2) ORDER 2023 [Continuation thereof] Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise and support the 4.1 per cent increase to the Social Insurance payments for our seniors. Mr. Speaker, our seniors are the most venerable, valuable members …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Jason Hayward: That can have huge benefit to the sustainability of that particular fund. The Premier and the Government have committed to ensuring that we make that fund more sustainable. It would be irresponsible for any Government to sit around and allow a pension plan to run out …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker MP Pearman. I see you are on your feet. Would you like to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Scott Pearman Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. I would. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am mindful that the Honourable Premier has indicated that he has to go to a funeral for the Dismont family so I will keep my comments very quick a nd just add to what some of the primary speakers have said. Mr. Speaker, I rise because notwithstanding that Cup …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. It’s a good age, good age.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am very pleased, very pleased to learn from the Premier that the actuarial report is coming. He said it wil l be tabled next session. But by that he means not the next sitting of the House — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. I did not say the actuarial report. The actuarial reports are spelled out in law as to the times in which they are able to be tabled inside of this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. That clarification —
Mr. Scott Pearman I welcome that clarification.
Mr. Scott Pearman Obviously, both the Bermudian public and this House in particular would greatly benefit from as much information as possible, and as soon as possible because this is a very serious issue. And I was merely going to say that when the Premier indicated that something would be tabled next session, …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. As a note, the Statement in which I gave we take from the actuarial reports which are tabled. It is inaccurate to say that we do not know the state of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Please keep his comment in view. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I am going to take longer if the Premier keeps interrupting me, but if he wants to get to his funeral I will try and be quick. Well, let’s be factual then. Let’s be factual. When the Premier addressed this House in the opening of this Order about …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive] Hon. E. David Burt: First of all, the Member is [imputing] improper motive because there are no funds miss-ing from anything. So let’s start there. Secondly, I went through great lengths in my brief to outline …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Firstly, there is no . . . I’m sorry. The Premier did not indicate the shortfall in the pension fund which we know from the Auditor General’s report, as quoted by the Opposition Leader to be in the region of $3 billion. So there is money —a $3 billion — …
Mr. Scott Pearman —shortfall in our pension fund. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House again. I went through this at length in my Statement. When the person talks about . …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman A pension fund, Mr. Speaker, is an obligation to meet promises to people when they reach the ability to take those promises. It is a promise to pay a certain amount of money to a certain fixed amount of people at certain fixed dates when they fall due. So, yes, …
Mr. Scott Pearman And let me try and break this down with an easy example. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Yes, give us a lesson.
Mr. Scott Pearman I will give an example. And I have been asked by the Honourable MP for constituency 26 to give an example, so I will. So here is an example: My credit card bill that I have to pay off is $15,000. Yes, next week I will still be working and …
Mr. Scott Pearman —there is an obligation to pay it. It is a contingent debt. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The comparison! The Honourable and Learned Member should probably stick to the law instead of finance because the comparison of which he is making is patently ridiculous in this particular circumstance. That is money that is spent; not money …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker [INAUDIBLE] POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Premier is [imputing] improper motive. It is incorrect to say that I know that he is righ t and that I know that I am wrong, and I am nonetheless saying what I am saying. And the Bermudian public will judge on whether what I am saying makes sense …
Mr. Scott Pearman And the point I am making is that a pension fund is an obligation to pay money to people who have paid into it. And it is a debt that is a contingent liability and it is due. There comes a time when a pensioner is going to say I …
Mr. Scott Pearman And those figures . . . and the Premier is chirping in from the side asking me, Where is the report? I believe he said that he will be filing reports in the next session and the actuarial report will be tabled every three years as a statutory obligation. Now, …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The Leader of the Opposition was not referring to an Auditor General’s report. He was reading from a Royal Gazette op-ed, which may have been referencing said …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Who is going to give the point of order?
Mr. Scott Pearman I will defer to the Opposition Leader. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: The Premier is misleading the House. I was referring to the actuarial reports produced by — [Crosstalk] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —produced by LifeWorks, Mr. Speaker. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: That has …
Mr. Scott Pearman So, I am grateful that the Premier has sat down. His point of order was of course incorrect because I am holding in my hand the actuarial review. [Inaudible interjections] 1732 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: So the suggestion both that I …
Mr. Scott Pearman But I am trying to move on because there is a funeral coming. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Is it the review or is it the report?
Mr. Scott Pearman It is the actuarial review of Contributory Pension Fund. Bermuda as of the 1 st of August.
The Speaker The Speaker But is the review the report? That is the question. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Scott Pearman No; it is the review. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is what I was objecting to. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker So it is not the report. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker So it is not the report then. Hon. E. David Burt: Get it right!
The Speaker The Speaker It is the review of the report, but it is not the report.
Mr. Scott Pearman Okay. Let’s focus. [General uproar and l aughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman I know that the Premier is doing a wonderful job— [Laughter and desk thumping]
Mr. Scott Pearman —in trying to get the House— Hon. Zane J . S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, is he talking to you? [General uproar and l aughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Just . . . come on, sit down; talk to me. Talk to me. [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Focus, focus! [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman I find it incredibly disappointing, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to me.
Mr. Scott Pearman —that this House is erupting in laughter when we have a $3 billion shortfall in our public pension.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: I have corrected the Honourable Member on numerous times, and it is inaccurate to say that we have a $3 billion shortfall.
Mr. Scott Pearman How much is it then? Hon. E. David Burt: I continue to state the facts that when you are referring to actuarial analysis it is taking into account liabilities that will accrue and become due in the future without taking access or knowledge or into account of contributions that will …
Mr. Scott Pearman The fact, Mr. Speaker, that this Premier said that I can say the difference between the future liabilities and the current assets, and not describe that difference as a shortfall, is absolutely mis-leading. The reality is that it is a shortfall. It is circ a $3 billion. And the fact …
Mr. Scott Pearman So, Mr. Speaker, those are my expressions of concern on this area. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman I note that there are some people chirping in from the background. I am not sure that it is necessarily helpful. I do not think the Bermudian public is going to appreciate that we are not treating this issue with the seriousness that it deserves.
Mr. Scott Pearman And let me say this.
The Speaker The Speaker I think they are asking questions.
Mr. Scott Pearman Let me say this, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to hear that the Government is, apparently, according to what the Premier has told this Honourable House, making progress in pension reform, because we welcome that. And we need to have it. And both the Government and the Opposition and former …
Mr. Scott Pearman And we realise . . . I hear the chirping coming from behind me.
The Speaker The Speaker Just address me. You will be okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman And I would just like to say this —
The Speaker The Speaker Just address the Chair. You will be all right.
Mr. Scott Pearman When they say, What are you talking about? There is no problem . . . if there is no problem, why is the PLP Government progressing pension reform? The answer, Mr. Speaker, to my question is that they are progressing pension reform because it is much needed. Because otherwise there …
Mr. Scott Pearman He is laughing in this Honourable House at the suggestion— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman —that pension reform be dealt with—
The Speaker The Speaker Talk here.
Mr. Scott Pearman —in an honourable way. —
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members. Let him talk. Let him talk.
Mr. Scott Pearman —because . . . I will tell you this. When pension reform is addressed, if it is addressed with any degree of seriousness, it is going to require all of us to persuade the Bermudian public that this reform is necessary because it is not going to be welcomed. [Inaudible …
Mr. Scott Pearman That reform is not going to be welcomed because you have to find the shortfall —the $3 billion shortfall —somewhere. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Thank you, Member, for your contribution. Does any other Member . . . MP De Silva. [Crosstalk] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Just . . . just . . . you just take it easy. Now, Mr. Speaker, let me …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now tell me something. When it was started, how much money was in the pot? [Inaudible interjection] 1734 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How much money? So it was unfunded from the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct.
Mr. Scott Pearman Because it did not exist. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Unfunded from the very beginning. Why is that? Maybe rocket science law-yer over there, the Honourable Member, might be able to tell us.
The Speaker The Speaker Now, now . . . direct it properly. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Right?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s a bit personal.
The Speaker The Speaker Direct it properly. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you. So, Mr. Speaker, you see that . . . that . . . maybe . . . because I hear the Opposition complaining. I have not heard one suggestion yet. Well, I have got one for you. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Uh-oh! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and how much money is in the coffers, and where it came from, and maybe we could make up $3 billion then and put it in the pot. I bet you that fund ain’t got no worries about running out. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, let him talk to the Chair. Let him talk to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member says that we won’t do it.
The Speaker The Speaker Let him talk to the Chair. Hon. Z ane J. S. De Silva: But I will tell you what. Maybe it needs to have a good looking at. Maybe it is part of that reform that the Honourable Member was talking about. Maybe that needs to be part of it. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They ain’t saying nothing now.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Keep talking. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You know, sometimes things are better left a little quiet for a second or two.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Solve our problems. Solve our problems. Come on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, we are solving the problems. —
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —Yes, we are. —
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get caught up in the side conversations. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And the Honourable Member Pearman—
The Speaker The Speaker Just direct it to me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —one of those trust fund babies —
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak here. Speak this way. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member Pearman, right?
The Speaker The Speaker Speak this way. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He said Solve the problem. We are solving problems. They had almost five years to jump into this problem, but they did nothing. They told our seniors that there was no money left.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It was] 1998 when you started. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What did they say? Oh, money doesn’t grow on trees. But wait a minute. They found $1.5 million for a commission of inquiry. They found $40 million for Cross Island. They found $100 million for the America’s Cup. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Please do. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: As I say, that Honourable Member, who seems to have a problem with mathe-matics (to me) — [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I mean, it is not hard mathematics, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is simple maths, too. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is like I said, when this thing started, there was not $3 billion in the pot. It had to be built up. And I will tell you what. There will come a time when we do have to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, there will. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, yes, there will. And guess what?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It might be through three, four, five different governments by the time we are gone, Mr. Speaker, because we are on the other side, you and me. Right? And guess what? The other thing is that I look at this like a mortgage. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? Hon. Zane J. S . De Silva: Get rid of that piece of property.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? What are you talking about? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh! See! That one got his attention. But you see what I am saying, Mr. Speaker? I am not worried about that because I know in the future that mortgage will be funded. It will be paid. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, just speak to the Chair. Don’t get sidetracked on the personal note. Don’t get sidetracked personally. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I am not getting personal. He brought up the example. Right? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker He did not use himself, though. He did not use himself. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and said when the minimum is due, you pay the minimum, he said.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, as you [know], not everybody pays the minimum. Some people have the money to pay off their card in full each month. And he is one of those; I can assure you. I am sure he is not paying any 20 per …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Still have your bank account. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, let me say this. Let me finish on this note, because I know the Premier wants to go and he has got a very important engagement to go to. I am going to finish here. This …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other . . . MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, thank you. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker You have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the challenge that the fund has, at the end of the day, [is that] we have a dwindling population. And we need to find a solution to this here. If you take the forecast of our population and our contributors to the fund, it …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —you know, it is pretty pathetic. If we want to go at it here, the stats are showing that our population is declining.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Which ones?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, which ones? Probably the ones that you are not speaking to. The S peaker: Just direct it here. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Direct your comments here. Don’t get caught — [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get sidetracked.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No, I’m not sidetracked at all.
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get sidetracked. Just talk here.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier If they are not going to face the realities — The Speaker: Talk here.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —that the country is coming to, then we are not going to get to any solutions here.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak here.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So that kind of interpolation of “what stats?”, the fact is that the seniors have grown and the population of Bermuda is declining at a rate that is not sustainable for the fund or other things. For the economy —period. So if the PLP Government wants to stick their head …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier They are feeling it. So, you know, we need to come to a solution to this here. We can go back and forth over whether we feel this $3 billion is fundable or not. It is an ongoing concern. But what we need to hear is what the Government plans …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What is your plan?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier What is going to happen to that?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What is your plan?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So, you know, we do not need to . . . we need to hear from them. They are the Government! They need to show up with a plan on what they are going to do. They continue to say, Oh, well, the people of Bermuda are going to continue …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We have one.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And I am hearing, We have one. But no one is hearing it. No one is hearing it! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And one of those major, major, major contributions to that is population growth. It is not happening under this Government. Let’s get a solution! Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you. Does any other . . . MP Simmons. You have your—
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, I want to hear MP Simmons. I need to hear MP Simmons.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons I . . . I . . . I really have some flashbacks to Opposition. And I th ink that it is very important that we reassure not just our seniors but the future generations that the fund will be in good hands. Because, Mr. Speaker, what we are expected …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. L. Craig C annonier Certainly I have not intimated to that point at all. And I have not heard that from any-one else. We all know that . . . well, we are all concerned about the seniors which is why we are looking for a solution.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons And Mr. Speaker, what I was speaking to was the implication.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons The implication. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am not sure what implication he is talking about. Maybe he can clarify himself. But no one has imp licated that anyone does not care about senior citizens. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons I think the Honourable Member might be making my point for us. Because if we care about our seniors and we care about future generations of seniors , then of course we will protect the fund.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons And I think it is very important . . . and he says, How? As the Premier has laid out —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Several times.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons —several times. [Inau dible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is coming.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons It is coming. Another Hon. Member: It is coming. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Mr. Speaker, I think these guys . . . you know, it is the last day, and I recognise the Opposition gets a little excited because they do not have much time, anymore Fridays to come and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Call an election.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Let’s be clear, though. Let’s be clear. I don’t think you all . . . do you all really, really want —
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get sidetracked, gentlemen. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait! Wait! Wait! Don’t get sidetrack ed!
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Mr. Speaker, let me get this straight —
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get sidetracked.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Mr. Speaker, let me get this straight —
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no. Come forward, go on. 1738 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons: The man who couldn’t produce a full slate of candidates — [Laughter and desk thumping]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons —wants us to call an election! [General uproar and desk thumping]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Wants us to call an election! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker MP Simmons. MP Simmons, don’t get sidetracked. Don’t get sidetracked.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Mr. Speaker, I got up. I tried to have a mature tone. I tried to be statesmen- like. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Don’t provoke me.
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get sidetracked.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons What I am saying is this, right, and I think this is an important conversation to have because I think both sides recognise that the pension must be secured. Let’s establish that.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There you go.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons We agree. Both sides agree. What we do not agree on is the language they have chosen to talk about it. And the inadvertent (perhaps) attempt to scare people about the future. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Perhaps unintentionally. But I think the thing that I want to start with is to say that the pension will be secure because we care about our seniors, not just for today, but for tomorrow. And I think that is something that cannot be stressed enough. And I am saying …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Seniors.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Seniors. And do we know why seniors are the biggest group? Because many of them did not have the advantage of being able to participate in a pension scheme.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simm ons Many of them did not have the opportunity to be able to benefit from a pension scheme. Some had deductions taken [but they were] never paid into the pension scheme.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons So understand, there is a legacy that is primed to be addressed by providing these regular increases. But also, and speaking to our younger, non- pension- age folks as well, if you are getting money deducted from your pay cheque for your pension, remain vigilant. Because some folks are not …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We are for it. Hon. E. David Burt: Take your choice. Know this: They say they are for it. You would have never guessed that from any of their contributions, Mr. Speaker. Never, ever guessed it! [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Please! Hon. E. David Burt: No one said they support, no one said this. They went into question —
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Premier, perhaps inadvertently, is misleading the House. The Opposition Leader said expressly that we were supporting this. Thank you, very much. Hon. E. David Burt: I am happy that this is now confirmed, Mr. Speaker, because anyone listening who did not hear that would have been completely lost. But …
The Speaker The Speaker [Are there any] objections to that? The appropriate message will be sent and delivered. [Motion carried: Contributory Pensions (Amendment of Benefits) (No. 2) Order 2023 was approved.] 1740 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Members, this brings us to a close of the items …
The Speaker The Speaker That brings us to a close of [Order] No. 2. We will now go to [Order] No. 1. Deputy Premier, are you going to introduce this one for us? Hon. Walter H. Rob an: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I am introducing this matter on behalf of the Premier and Minister of …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue, Deputy Premier. BILL SECOND READING INVESTMENT FUNDS AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to present the Bill entitled the Investment Funds Amendment Act 2023. The purpose of this Bill is to amend the Investment Funds Act …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to confirm our support for the amendments. We see why it is being done. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? None other? Minister Hayward. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. I thank the Deputy Premier for bringi ng this Bill today, but I just want to provide clarification to the Opposition Leader as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Hayward. Does any . . . MP Famous, would you like to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Good] afternoon, colleagues and listening public. I will be very brief, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you amongst others would know that very rarely do you hear certain people from one side of the aisle speak so glowingly of the Caribbean. Usually, it is always in …
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, exactly. Money, money, money. Mr. Speaker, my sister has a house in the Virgin Islands and it used to have a very nice view of the harbour, but then a big building was built that blocked her view. That building has on the side of it “Conyers.” Does anyone …
Mr. Christopher Famous Anyone? Someone? Anyone? The point I am making, Mr. Speaker, people go . . . some people are loyal to Bermuda; some people are loyal to money, money, money. Mr. Speaker, this Government under the present administration and under the Minister of Economy and Labour is making concerted efforts to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Looks like none. Deputy Premier. Hon. Wa lter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the contributions made by Members today on this Bill. I must say I am a little saddened by the introductory comments some …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Deputy Speaker. House in Committee at 3:41 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL INVESTMENT FUNDS AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: May I do that with your permission as head of the House?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides the citation for the Bill. Mr. Chairman, clause 2 amends section 2 of the principal Act to delete the definitions of “fund pro-spectus rules” and “participant” and to insert a definition for “late fee.” Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, sir. Any further speakers to clauses 1 through 10? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Cole Hedley Simons. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to direct the Minister to [clause] 3, [Amends] section 2B, and then you have section 2B(1) …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers for clauses 1 through 10? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just oblige me as I get the answers from technical persons to the questions raised.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It was a pretty straightforward question. Why nine months rather than six months? It 1748 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly is an extension of three months to nine months, the experience of the regulators suggests that a three- month extension …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, is he saying that come December 31, I ask for an extension of six months . . . are we saying that the business providers or the managers of these funds have said they cannot get the work done within six months? And …
The Chairman Chairman Got you, Hedley. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Extension requests are typically done in May or June and are usually driven by your audit delays and valuations. That is why these things may happen. There may b e some delay or something else that requires an extension. …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers to clauses 1 through 10? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move clauses 1 through 10 for approval? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wish to move clauses 1 through 10.
The Chairman Chairman It has been move d that clauses 1 through 10 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Clauses 1 through 10 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 10 passed.] The Chairman: Continue, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chair man. I wish to …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Clauses 11 through 20.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, [clauses] 11 through 20. Sorry, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It’s all right.
The Chairman Chairman You can continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: In other words, it is not just you but the public we are speaking to. I do not want to confuse them.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You are correct. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 11 amends section 8A of the principal Act to correct technical oversights by repealing subsec-tion (4); allowing for a Professional Class B fund to seek an extension to the timeframe for filing its annual certification to indicate …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any speakers to clauses 11 through 20?
Mr. Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thanks to the Minister. There is a saying that when lawyers tell you not to give them money, it is worth listening. I think it is important for our laws to be clear. Right? Because mem-bers of the public should be able to read …
The Chairman Chairman You’re fine. Any further speakers to clauses 11 through 20? Minister, you want to — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Certainly, h is suggestion will be taken under advisement, Mr. Chairman. But I wish now to move on to clauses 21 through 30.
The Chairman Chairman Let’s approve— Hon. Walter H. Roban: I’m sorry. My apologies, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman That’s all right. That’s all right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I wish to move that we approve clauses 11 through 20.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 11 through 20 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Clauses 11 through 20 have been approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 11 through 20 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Member for a slightly softer comment in our debate today. Clause 21, Mr. Chairman, amends section 37 of the princi pal Act to empower the Authority to impose a late fee for [non- ]compliance with fund rules …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any speakers to clauses 21 through 30? The Honourable Member Cole Hedley Simons, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to direct the Minister to [clause 23, new section] 63A on page 8, “Auditor to communicate …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Simons. Minister. Hon. Walt er H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just awaiting the answer so I can appropriately com-municate it. [Pause] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you for your indulgence,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman No problem. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The requirement is consistent with the requirement under the Insurance Act, regula-tory consistency, and the obligation is to report to the BMA, not to the Registrar of Companies [ROC]. I think it has been communicated through this presentation that there is an effort to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Supplemental. So, will this type of language be in the Insurance Act, in the Gaming Act, or any other industry where auditors are requi red to produce reports? And if they find any maleficence, will they automatically advise the appropriate regulators? Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further questions to commence to the Minister for clauses 21 through 30? There appear t o be none. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: With that, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much and for everyone who raised their ques-tions. I wish to move clauses 21 …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —to be approved, for the ones I just read to be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 21 through 30 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Now you can move the Schedule. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I now ask that the Schedule be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Schedule be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Schedule passed.] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? No objections. Approved. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Investment Funds Amendment Act 2023 was considered by a Committee of the whole House …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 4:07 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE INVESTMENT FUNDS AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Investment Funds Amendment Act 2023 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported. Thank you. Members, this brings us to a close of the Orders of the Day. However, before we go to …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. There were no objections. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Go forward. NOTICE OF MO TION ASSESSMENT OF SELF -GOVERNANCE SUFFICIENCY IN CONFORMITY WITH INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED STANDARDS —BERMUDA Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hereby give notice that on the next date of meeting, I will move the following motion that this Honourable House approve the findings …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Attorney General. Deputy Premier. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 1752 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move the Bill entitled the Investment Funds Amendment …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Deputy [Premier]. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING INVESTMENT FUNDS AME NDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Investment Funds Am endment Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members, for taking care of the business of today. Deputy Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now adjourn until . . . [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: I’m sorry, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Until September 15. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Until September 15, Mr. Speaker. I do now so move.
The Speaker The Speaker Would anyo ne wish to speak to that? Mr. Famous, you are standing. Are you standing for my attention on this matter?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, indeed, Mr. Speaker. I would not want you to say that you did not see us.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Famous, you have the floor. You have your 20 minutes. NOT SUPPORTING EMANCIPATION DAY
Mr. Christopher Famous I will not be long, Mr. Speaker, because others want to speak. Right, others? [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, earlier today you made mention of something that happened In Lon-don 190 years ago —
Mr. Christopher Famous —in the world’s oldest parliament called the (what do they call that?) Palace of Westminster where they passed legi slation, I might say reluctantly , to abolish slavery in the British colonies. And some might say, You know, that was so great, so nice. But they reluctantly did it because …
Mr. Christopher Famous Let me move on, Mr. Speaker. Six years ago, the majority of Bermudian voters voted for this administration. They endured four and a half years of what could easily be called the worst Government in modern history —a Government that did not give seniors money, had cut down on funding …
Mr. Christopher Famous Well, it was 1 ,842, but we will round it off to 2,000 jobs. And these are the same people that . . . let’s just say a chain of events led to seniors being pepper sprayed. The people had enough so they voted for us. Mr. Speaker, during that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Famous. The Deputy Speaker actually jumped real quick that time. I am going to go with the Deputy Speaker then, MP Dunkley. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you. I am a little younger than Dunkley.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And what does that have to do with anything? Hon. Derric k V. Burgess, Sr.: I got up quicker. [Crosstalk] APPRECIATION FOR SANITATION WORKERS Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No. He didn’t mean that. Mr. Speaker, first, I want to go where [Honourable Member] Famous …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You are not going? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No, I am not scheduled to be there, and I will not be going there out of any type of interest, because when you look at the history, Mr. Speaker . . . and I know some people do not l …
Mr. Christopher Famous Slave Oversight Government . Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: It could be that too. Or it could be Secret Oversight . And these people sit up on the largest house on Langton Hill and they determine who is going to be investigated and prosecuted. And I am not making this …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Can the Honourable Member please provide proof of that last comment that a former Attorney General obtained documents illegally? Because that comment is misleading and incorrect and needs to be withdrawn. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Okay. Let me …
The Speaker The Speaker Wait. Wait. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I’m sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker You are making a point of order? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker You made your point of order. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, yes. And that is on Hansard, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Just move forward. Move forward. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker, you know, this is part of a letter sent to the Governor about the meeting. So we showed that this thing went high up. I understand the rules, Mr. Speaker, and I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member . . . MP Dunkley, you have your 20 minutes. THE SPIRIT OF CUP MATCH Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, three things I would like to speak about tonight. First off, the Honourable Member who just spoke before me …
The Speaker The Speaker It will be a repeat this year. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, and you are wise in your judgment, Mr. Speaker. And there is no point of order can be called on that, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker, let us reflect. Let us reflect …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Dunkley. Minister of Education, I think you caught my eye first that time. EDUCATION SYSTEM REFORM Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you, colleagues, who have spoken thus far. Mr. Speaker, I do want to have a serious conversation about education in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Okay. I see what you are doing. Okay. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I am encouraged by recent events that have seen groups reach out to the Ministry and ask to be involved in education and express their thoughts about what is going on. We al-ways look forward …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. MP De Silva, would you like your 20 minutes on the clock? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I would. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. HOSPITAL FUNDS Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, before I start on my presentation tonight, I wanted to just mention one thing with respect to the Honourable Member Dunkley’s comments about the hospital. All I want people to remember is that before they left office, …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member needs to give a full picture, because if he does not, he is misleading the House. At that time there were still $75 million in cash reserves. And the financial position of the hospital was much …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: One hundred less twenty - five is seventy- five. Now, Mr. Speaker — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, that is really good math for the Honourable Member. But the most relevant point, Mr. Speaker, in the point of order is that —
The Speaker The Speaker Member, you did not ask for a point of order. Make your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order. The point of order, the most important point is the hospital’s financial position was much stronger then. It has deteriorated.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. You made your point of order. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, if the Honourable Member was honourable, he would have probably made his presentation about the hospital . . . he would have made the presentation about the hospital when the Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Let us move on. Move on to what you— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, when I was a child— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker, I ask him to withdraw that comment. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: This is the Member calling me …
The Speaker The Speaker That part, yes, we all are Honourable Members. Very much. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will withdraw that. I w ill withdraw that comment.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Talk to the Chair now. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If, if— [Inaudible interjection] REPORT ON THE RESIGNATION OF FORMER COMMISSIONER OF POLICE Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Let me go. Mr. Speaker, when I was a child, right? When I was a child my …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Uh-oh! Uh- oh! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Mr. Speaker, you have a high- ranking police officer responsible for COVID -19 supervisions, who is caught during COVID -19 by another police officer and a file sent to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, as you move along just remember there are some parameters that you have to be guided by, okay? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The police commissioner is responsible and answerable only to the Governor, paid for out of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Pulled up stumps. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Pulled up stumps, pulled up stumps and left. So, Mr. Speaker, I implore Government House to release the report. I implore them to do that, and also to inform the taxpayers of this country what that severance package was. We have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s a lot of nurses. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is a lot of nurses, is it not? Especially if it was a package worth maybe (I am just doing the quick math) . . .oh, he makes more than the Premier. I know what the Premier makes. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP De Silva. MP Swan, I see you moving.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 20 minutes on the clock. EMANCIPATION DAY
Mr. Hube rt (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will follow on from the Honourable Member who I know is very passionate about the game of golf. As I mentioned during congrats and obits, his company, along with Puma and Cobra, are now sponsoring. If I could ask the Honourable Member just …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You would give it back to me. You would confirm right there.
The Speaker The Speaker No. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member De Silva is sponsoring a very worthwhile event in honour, and I say in honour of the legacy of Brian Morris who did a lot in this country and succumbed to cancer and showed us how to live amidst adversity, and I am very grateful …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member De Silva is sponsoring a very worthwhile event in honour, and I say in honour of the legacy of Brian Morris who did a lot in this country and suc-cumbed to cancer and showed us how to live amidst adversity, and I am very grateful …
The Speaker The Speaker Falling off of your horse, you are supposed to get back on, you know.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I speak to the experiences in golf from a position of knowledge firsthand. When I reflect on how Jim Crow laws and outright legislated segregation had its roots far beyond when the legislation or the rules were repealed, I have a living example of it. In the 1900s, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And yet when we try like other communities to lift ourselves up and to celebrate ourselves, they would act like, What’s wrong with you 1766 21 July 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly for doing that? Something is wrong with that picture, too. [There] is something very wrong …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. And she also was the first African American to be a member of the LPGA [Ladies Professional Golf Association] Tour! I implore persons to employ persons like retired Profess or Dr. Jeffrey Sammons from New York University and others like him who, when commissioned by the USGA to …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Minister Vance Campbell, you have the floor. NEED TO EMBRACE TRUE SPIRIT OF POLITICS BY CONSIDERING THE LONG -TERM IMPACT OF OUR ACTIONS Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. Mr. Acting Speaker, I have a book that contains notable sayings from one of the …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. And I recognise MP Neville Tyrrell.
Mr. Neville. S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. Mr. Acting Speaker, I will be brief because I only have two points that I wish to elaborate on tonight. But I intended opening my remarks with a quote from Proverbs, but I think I w ill probably end with it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Come on now. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Neville. S. Tyrrell Thank you. But before I get to my two points, Mr. Acting Speaker, let me say that I want to support much of what my colleagues have said on the m otion to adjourn tonight. It has been enlightening. I would certainly say that the remarks by the Minister of …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell My next point I wanted to speak about . . . because a couple of weeks ago my wife threatened to take the bike key from me. I am a rider of bikes. I love riding my bike. It is one of the easiest ways to get around. I have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member This is your fifth point. CUP MATCH
Mr. Neville. S. Tyrrell You are counting. Thank you. Well, at lea st someone is listening. That is what I want to make sure. Someone is actually listening. But we are now approaching one of the most favourite holidays in Bermuda, Cup Match. Of course there is going to be, there already has been …
Mr. Neville. S. Tyrrell I think it is St. George’s, sir. So I just want to wish all of my fellow Bermudians to take the opportunity to chill out. Because I know there is going to be a lot of social activity over that h oliday period. And I do wish people to enjoy …
Mr. Neville. S. Tyrrell From the East. Thank you, thank you. But at the same time, I just hope everyone gets to enjoy themselves. I did say from the beginning that I would end with a Proverb. I am just probably going to give the position of it. It is Proverbs 10:16. Look it …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Government Whip. The Chair recognises MP Caines. CONNECTION BETWEEN CUP MATCH AND THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY
Mr. Wayne Caines Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. Mr. Acting Speaker, it was George Santayana who said, “ Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it .” [Again,] George Santayana said, “ Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it .” Two day s ago I was …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Caines. Minister Hayward, you have the floor. A DIVIDED BERMUDA Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. [Acting] Speaker, I thank the Honourable Member Caines for his words. Certainly a part of what he says has to resonate with us all. And I think I am going to start where …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Hayward. The Chair recognises the Honourable Premier David Burt. 3 Bermuda Progressive Labour Party Marks Six Years of Prog ressive Achievements - PLP PLP— A GOVERNMENT WITH A HEART FOR THE PEOPLE Hon. E. David Burt: Good evening to you, Mr. Acting Speaker. How are you doing? …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Why? Why now? Hon. E. David Burt: Why do I bring up that release? I bring up that release because I got home late last evening and the Public Relations Office (the PRO) got an email at 10:58 pm (I thought newspapers had gone to print already) from none other …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Hon. E. David Bur t: And it says, and I quote, “Hi. I appreciate that this is very late. But just got this from the OBA on their view of the PLP’s House agenda for Friday. Could I get a response, please?” “Scott Pearman, Shadow Minister of Home Affairs, …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: So I know how they can just sneak things in at the end, sneak things at the end and send this email from what’s -he-called so they can say, Oh, the PLP won’t have an opportunity to respond. But guess what? We were …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Oh, no! Oh! They didn’t print it! Hon. E. David Burt: And so I go. And I say this. I will read it in full, M r. Speaker. “Mr. Pearman knows that governing does not only require the amending of Bills but also changes to policies and regulations. . …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Deputy [Premier]. Mr. Speaker, I am going to continue in the positive vein, but in a very narrow focus. Before I get to what I want to speak about, though, I cannot let the comments that were delivered earlier in this session by the Deputy Speaker in relation …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, they take that job seriously, and they get most upset when they are unable to deliver it in an efficient manner. And I am certain that they will appreciate the comments that were expressed in this House in expressing thanks to them. 1776 21 July 2023 Official Hansard …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Now, Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about a subject that gives me the greatest satisfaction as a Minister and is the best part of this job. Mr. Speaker, I recei ved an email two days ago from a student whom I first met soon after we came back to …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And I could not figure out how this French Canadian, who is not a Seventhday Adventist, could find this young 16- year-old and have him on day release. In any case, I marched round to Bob, and I said, Bob, what? He said, He’s coming to work for us as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a— MP Cannonier, the clock is on for you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I literally will be five minutes.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Bermuda House of Assembly PLP GOVERNMENT NOT DELIVERING SOLUTIONS
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier It is interesting listening tonight, and I am grateful for the Minister and his positive note as we were winding down here. Certainly, we all would like to enjoy our Cup Match. And I am sure that we will see one another during our social events over the holiday. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order. I did not want to interrupt the Honourable former Premier. But I think I just must say that the Hon-ourable Member is misleading the House. Because I heard the chirping when I was saying these …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a classic case of more spin, in my opinion. A classic case of more spin. So what we have heard tonight is very evident, a string of Ministers and maybe some others who have felt that they need to list out every good …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Maybe there is a challenge. So I recognise that again we are in the political arena. But what we cannot get away from is the reality of where are as a p eople. And if we are going to ignore what we are hearing on the streets and in homes, …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Well, there is a slew of things that we can point out, a slew of things that we can point out. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Can nonier Yes. Indeed, indeed, indeed, indeed. There is a challenge in this Island right now. And people are worried. They are concerned, and they want to know what is going to happen to them. So getting up in this House and quite frankly (in my opinion) giving Bermuda six for a …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. We have got more interpolation going on. And this is going to be fascinating to watch as the people continue to be concerned. Now, we know what it is like to have marches and the likes. But this PLP Government acts as if it is not supposed to happen …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You hear them? It is all a joke. But yet we know what the realities ar e in Bermuda right now. And we know what people are feeling. So some Cabinet Ministers may want to make a whole lot of noise as they stick their head in the sand, but …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. I will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jason Hayward: The figure was derived first and foremost by the Wage Commission, who recommended that we use a hybrid structure. The second step was for the Minister to prescribe a rate. The Minister met with both of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, we can hear this one.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. You are going to hear it. A classic case of a six for a nine. If you are representing the peop le of Bermuda and we are putting a minimum wage in place, why is it different for one sector than the other? Whether you agree with the unions …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Honourable Member is misleading the House when he talks about hotel workers. As somebody who is in the hotel industry, is a hotel worker, we are still employing and looking for more re-cruits even with the new wage in place.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly!
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier What in the world does that have to do with what I just said? [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Sixteen -forty for the hotel workers includes the gratuities.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct!
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But for the rest of Bermuda, who also have people who get gratuities, they get paid $16.40. And then the employee gets their tips on top of the $16.40. Yes, what? Yes. So the Premier does not even know what is going on. And employees are getting together. They are …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jason Hayward: The hybrid structure is a structure that is used in multiple jurisdictions throughout the Bermuda House of Assembly world. And so that is the first point of order in terms of the mistruth. But he is deliberately mis leading. Every …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you very much. I really hope that Bermuda is listening to what we just heard. Unbelievable! And maybe that is why we are in the shape we are in. I would suggest that the Minister go and talk to other businesses because they want to understand why the hotels …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You cannot say minimum wage and then say, Oh, well the gratuities are part of it. The whole idea of the gratuities is on top of your minimum wage, on top of your wage. Listen. We can go on and on and on. And we can talk about the unions. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We work every day.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier We work every day . This is unbelievable. It is unbelievable to listen to Honourable Members in this House— unbelievable, unbelievable, Mr. Speaker. So we are going to enjoy our Cup Match. But I can assure you that the rubber has met the road, and there are people who are …
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier. Hon. Walter H. Ro ban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Crosstalk ]
The Speaker The Speaker The Member is on his feet. We need to hear the Member on his feet. CELEBRATING OUR YOUTH AND SPECIAL OLYMPIANS Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The actual discussions during this part of the Housework have been actually quite interesting. [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: And I …
The Speaker The Speaker One second, one second. The Member on his feet just now said he took great pleasure. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Deputy [Premier] on his feet just now said he took great pleasure to being able to listen to everybody else today. I do not think we can all listen to him when there are other conversations going back and forth on the floor. You two Members, you are …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. The deal, the deal, the deal. Hon. Walter H. Roban: That allowed the for process to be completed in the Parliament.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The £20 million loan that was taken, the 800,000 slaves who were obviously the product of the transaction.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And I say product because they were not the beneficiaries in any way if you talk about what we understand beneficiary —looking to benefit—is. They certainly were no longer having to work. But as we know, the story did not end there. But we also …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. As I rise to my feet, Deputy Premier, let me say that was a very fitting message to end on. Reminding us that Cup Match and the Cup Match season are not just simply about a sport. It is not just simply about a cricket match …
The Speaker The Speaker The significance of that is really the beginning of how we got the game. And that is what is lost too often in the message of Cup Match. We started this morning with words regarding the celebration of the 190 th Emancipation Act that was passed in the UK Parliament. …
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