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House of Assembly Session 2022/2023 522 speeches

March 13, 2023

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The Deputy Premier announced new measures to address dog attacks and public safety, including plans for on-the-spot ticketing for minor offences and forming a committee to review the current dog situation. The Attorney General confirmed that the new faultless divorce law takes effect today, allowing couples to divorce without proving fault or blame. The Health Minister explained how hospital bed shortages affect emergency department wait times and urged families to pick up discharged patients by 11am. The Social Development Minister announced the opening of an 11-unit facility in St. George's to help young people transitioning out of government care.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 13, 2023
Session 2022/2023
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Speakers 32
Speeches 522

Key Topics

Dog management and public safety concerns following recent attacksNew "no-fault" divorce law coming into effect todayHospital bed capacity and discharge procedures at Bermuda Hospitals BoardOpening of Bermuda's first Independent Living Programme for young adults aging out of care

Bills & Motions

No bills were debated in this session
The House moved into Committee of Supply to begin consideration of the 2023/24 budget estimates, starting with the Ministry of Education (5-hour debate scheduled)

Notable Moments

The Deputy Premier referenced the "dark day" of January 13 when multiple dog attacks occurred, calling for urgent action on dog control
Hospital wait times revealed that admitted patients spent an average of 17 hours and 38 minutes waiting to move from emergency to a ward in January
Bermuda's first Independent Living Programme opened on March 2nd, currently housing one resident with plans to expand

Debate Transcript

522 speeches from 32 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Ms. Beale will lead us in prayer. PRAYERS [ Prayers read by Ms. Kara Beale, Assistant Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. The House is now in session. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 8 March 2023]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of the 8th of March have been circulated. Are there any amendments or adjustments required? There are none. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [ Minutes of 8 March 2023 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING COMMONWEALTH DAY MESSAGE
The Speaker The Speaker Today is Commonwealth Day. And as traditional, the Head of State , formerly the Q ueen, would send her Commonwealth Day message. Today we have the King’s Commonwealth Day message that has been circulated to each and every one of you. We also have the Commonwealth Day affirmation that has …
The Speaker The Speaker Also, MP Kim Swan is absent today from the proceedings as well. Thank you. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker This morning we have quite a few to be tabled today. The first is in the name of the Prem-ier/Minister of Finance. Minister Campbell, are you going to do it? INFORMATION COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE ANNUAL REPORT 2022 Hon. Vance Campbell: No, I will go first. I have one. I believe the …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we have three Statements this morning. The first is in the name of the Deputy Premier. Would you like to present your Statement now? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE CARE AND MANAGEMENT OF DOGS Hon. Walter H. Roban: And good morning to the listening public and Members of the Legislature. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform this Honourable House of the Ministry of Home Affairs’ concerns and strategy to better manage dogs …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Attorney General .
Madam Attorney General . Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. COMMENCEMENT OF T HE MATRIMONIA L CAUSES (FAULTLESS DIVORCE) AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise in this Honourable House this morning to inform Honourable Members and the public that the Matrimonial Causes (Faultless Divorce) Amendment Act 2022 comes into operation …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We have another Statement from the Honourable Kim Wilson, Minister of Health. Minister Wilson, you have the floor. BERMUDA HOSPITALS BOARD DISCHARGES AND BED CAPACITY Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker and Honourable Members, I rise today to share information regarding bed capacity and discharge …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. The next Statement is from the Minister of Social Development and Seniors, the Honourable Tinee Furbert. Ms. Furbert, you have the floor. OPENING OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING PROGRAMME Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. This morning I rise with much hope and reassurance as …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Furbert. That was the final Statement for the day. QUESTION PERIOD
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We have some questions for the Deputy Premier, Walter Roban, from MP Pear-man. Mr. Pearman. QUESTION 1: MANAGEMENT OF DOGS
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have been a dog owner my entire life, and I would like to support the Minister’s perceptive observation that dog issues can also arise because of dog owner issues. Leaving to one side his comments about pit bulls and their owners, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: What I can inform the House and the Honourable Member is that we are working with the Attorney General’s Chambers to put together the legislative initiative around that. It has been in the works for quite some time. There are a number of changes to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. First supplementary.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Scott Pearman I thank the Minister for that answer. In addition to the ticketing, on- the-spot ticketing for minor offences, what other powers do you envisage implementing for dog wardens, just at the high level? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Primarily we are working on the ticketing because it is important for our …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister.
Mr. Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Second supplementary. The new powers for dog wardens were announced by the Honourable Minister that they would be coming out. He announced them last August. And on Friday the Minister said that the legislation would be coming by July. Can the Minister indicate whether …
Mr. Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Second question.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Go ahead. QUESTION 2: MANAGEMENT OF DOGS
Mr. Scott Pearman Other than the on- the-spot ticketing point, which you have clarified (with thanks), do you feel that other additional powers are actually needed, in your view, or is it a question of really enforcing existing powers, powers that alr eady exist? Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: As I referenced …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Pearman. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Sco tt Pearman Yes. Supplementary. Have the dog wardens themselves actually identified any particular powers beyond the ticketing point that they feel they need? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Nothing that I have been informed of. But this will be a part of the proc ess because they will be a part of the …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Minister. Thank you,
Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker the deputy speaker Okay. [Honourable Member] Jackson, you had some questions for the Deputy Premier?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I just have one question. I was just wondering if the Minister might be able to give his thoughts on an animal abuser regis-ter?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I can discuss that with t he ad hoc committee and see what they think about it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any further questions? No more, Ms. Jackson? The next question is for the Attorney General from [Honourable Member] Pearman. Mr. Pearman. QUESTION 1: COMMENCEMENT OF TH E MATRIMONIAL CAUSES (FAULTLESS DIVORCE) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and thank you to the Honourable and Learned Minister for her announcement today that this massive legislative change in matrimonial law is coming into effect. And the Learned Attorney General will recall that she had the support of the Opposition for this change. And I …
Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker the deputy speaker Attorney General Simmons. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We are actually going to monitor and assess the impact of the new amendments. And that particular consideration will be more relevant to the second tranche of amendments. So it has been noted, and it will be discussed …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, supplementary. In terms of the second tranche of amendments that you previously identified, are there others that you have in mind beyond the one- year bar? Thank you. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We have actually received submissions from the Matrimonial Bar, and there will …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker MP Pearman. 1044 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 2: COMMENCEMENT OF THE MATRIMONIAL CAUSES (FAULTLESS DIVORCE) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, second question. Madam Attorney General, the Honourable and Learned Minister, you had ind icated in the Statement this morning that this change in the law will not be retrospective, and therefore applications that are, I assume, before today will be dealt with under the old system. Is there a …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Thank you, Madam Attorney General. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Pearman. The next question is for the Minister Tinee Furbert from [Honourable Member] Jackson. Ms. Jackson, you have the f loor. QUESTION 1: OPENING OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING PROGRAMME
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My first question. I am not sure, but if the Minister could just remind me how many available units there are at the [Independent Living P rogramme]?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister Furbert. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sure. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would first like to apologise to the community because publicly we initially announced that there were 12. But there are up to 11 units available at Garrison’s View.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any further questions?
Ms. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Of the 11 available —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Is this a supplementary or —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson This is a supplementary.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Of the 11 available units, you have mentioned that there are 15 referrals. How many people will be in the units shortly? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you for that question, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Currently there is one resident in the house. There is one resident taking up community - based …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ms. Jackson. QUESTION 2: OPENING OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING PROGRAMME
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am wondering. Will there be any rent that will have to be paid by the residents to stay in the [Independent Living Programme]? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have mentioned before that this is an Independent Living Programme. We are preparing young persons for the actual real …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ms. Jackson. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson My supplemental to that would be, How much is it thought that the rent would be?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister Furbert. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I do have a number in my head, but I am not going to announce it because I am not quite sure. And I will endeavour to get the correct answer to my honourable colleague.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Anything further, Ms. Jackson?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I have a final, third question.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Continue. Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 3: OPENING OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING PROGRAMME
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. This is around staffing. I was just wondering when the full complement of staff will be hired? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Deputy Speaker, the full complement of staff will be hired once we increase our capacity. Right now there is one person. And to have all staff in …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ms. Jackson, anything further? SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I do have a supplementary on the staff. I am just wondering whether there will be — you mention security cameras. I am wondering whether any physical security officer will be onsite? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Yes. Security staff wi ll be onsite.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No further questions.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is it? Thank you. This is the end of the Question Period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any . . . There appear to be none. MATTERS OF P RIVILEGE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There appear to be none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker None. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker None. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There appear to be none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Resumption in Committee of Supply for Further Consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023/24. Deputy Leader. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2023/24.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We call on the Chair, who will lead the session, start the session off, the Honourable Member, Mr. Richard [sic] Pearman. House in Committee at 10:55 am [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chair man] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023/24
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Honourable Members and members of the listening public. We are now in the Committee of Supply for Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023/24. First up this morning is the debate on the Ministry of Education, which is a five- hour debate. And it will be …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member First up?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, first up. There is another one after. Four heads, which are as f ollows: • Head 16 —Ministry of Education Headquarters; • Head 17— Department of Education; • Head 18— Libraries and Archives; and 1046 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly • Head 41— the …
The Chairman Chairman I could call you Richard if you prefer. [Laughter] MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I move the following Heads: 16, Ministry of Education Headquar-ters; 17, Department of Education; 18, Libraries and Archives; and 41, the Bermuda College now be taken under consideration.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the heads identified by the Minist er be now taken under consideration. Is there any objection? No. Minister, please proceed. HEAD 16 —MINISTRY OF EDUCATION HEADQUARTERS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman , today I am pleased to pr esent the budget for the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Please continue when you are ready. HEAD 17 —DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I now present the budget for Head 17, the Department of Education. Mr. Chairman, it was three years ago today on the 13 th of March 2020 that the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Before you come on to Finance and Corporate, perhaps this is a convenient moment just t o pause and remind the listening public that we are in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023/24. This …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Minister. If you would just pause for a moment, I believe there is a Member who has a point.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Is there a point of clarification?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It is just a clarification—
The Chairman Chairman One moment, please, Member. Minister, will you accept a point of clarification? Yes. Thank you. MP Jackson, you have the floor. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just wondering if the Minister could repeat the numbers of people who had . . . the statistics there at the end? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Sure.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. If you would not mind going back and repeating that for the benefit of the Shadow Minister. Thank you. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. And I said, additionally —I will read the whole paragraph again. Mr. Chairman, in 2023/24 we will be supporting Student Services …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Please continue when you are ready. Programme 1712— Early Childhood Education Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Sure. Mr. Chairman, on page B -133, this section includes Early Childhood Education (ECE), Early Childhood Special Education and Early Childhood Education Quality Assurance. The main focus is on the continued …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I am just pausing you there. There was a differential on Transport. It actually dropped. Accordi ng to the Budget Book it dropped by $10,000. I think you said it went up by $10,000 in your brief. So, I don’t know if the brief is wrong or …
The Chairman Chairman I don’t think we need to trouble with it, it shows it going down in the Budget Book and you said it increased — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay, it probably does go down.
The Chairman Chairman No problem. Please continue. Hon. Diallo V . S. Rabain: I’m sorry. Travel decreased by $10,000. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, pages B - 135 and B -136, show there are 1,070 FTE posts, an additional 36 posts compared to 2022/23. The majority of these relate to increases in substitutes and for the signature learning schools of . . . that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. As you do that, I will just remind the listening public that this is a five- hour deb ate on the Ministry of Education. It is scheduled to end at 5:25 pm. The Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain is speaking now to the next Head. Please proceed. Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. For the benefit of the listening public this is a five-hour debate on the Ministry of Education. There are four heads that are being covered. We are now about to hear from the Minister on the fourth head, which is Head 41, Bermuda College. And for …
Mr. Jerome Reid. Other members of the Board are • Mr. Nasir Wade, Deputy Chair • Ms. Whitney Butterfield • Mrs. Cherie Dill • Mr. Thomas Christopher Famous, JP, MP • Mr. Frank “Chip” Gillis • Mrs. Branwyn Smith- King, and • Mrs. Charmaine Tucker. Ex-officio Members are: • The Honourable Randolph Horton (Chairman of the Honorary Fellows) • …
The Chairman Chairman While the Minister takes a very quick break for a sip of water, let me first say that, Minister, I was totally disappointed that MP Famous was not in the Chamber when you elevated him to an honorary doctor in your words. Members of the listening public and Honourable Members, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister Diallo Rabin, Minister of Education, who has presented the four budget heads for the Ministry of Education. This five -hour debate is scheduled to conclude at 5:25 pm. Does any Member wish to speak to the debate? The Chair recognises the Opposition spokesperson for Education, MP …
Ms. Jackson has the floor. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you to the Minister. That was a fulsome [delivery] and to be honest with you I could have heard a little bit more. But I understand that time is of the essence, and he did give a substantial amount of time to give an …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I see that.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And it looks as though a bit of the funding also went into Clearwater, at $2,812,000. It looks as though Sa ndys Secondary also got some of the funding. So seeing that, I am wondering if the Minister can give us some indication of where the $2,469,000 will go from …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Honourable Minister. Oh, sorr y, would you prefer that she puts all of her questions first? I am in your hands, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I prefer a number of questions, but I can answer that. 1070 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Susan Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Which brings me to a very good point. So, on page B -136, still Head 17, Department of Education, I noticed that, again looking at Clearwater Middle School, which is towards the bottom of the page, line item 27530, there is an allocation for 2023/24 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will attempt to answer this. The teachers from Clearwater have not been reallocated yet. Those are listed as staff that we know that we need now, as we know t he Budget Book was done . . . the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Ms. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I really appreciate you allowing us to have this discourse because it is an important topic and parents and teachers and students . . . if they get all of this at once it is more understandable.
The Chairman Chairman I agree.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I really appreciate it. So, my other question then, whi ch leads into the teacher positions and allocations would be, Does this mean that some of the teachers may be offered positions that are not necessarily in their specialty? So teachers would have to make a choice about whether to …
Ms. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I would like to . . . the Minister brought up a good point about the paraprofessional s. So I just want to turn to page B - 135, Head 17, Department of Education, and paraprofessionals is 27079. I have two questions: One is that I notice that every …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Member, for that question. One of the things that is of paramount importance to us is ensuring that our students have a continuity of the education that they ar e receiving. As mentioned in the Ministerial Statement [when] …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Ms. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I am just going to ask two back -to-back questions.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am st ill on the paraprofessionals, 27079, on page B -135. So eight paraprofessionals accompanying students from Clearwater into other middle schools, so that is a manageable num-ber. My question to the Minister is, How is the Ministry going to manage if we do find ourselves in the situation …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Susan, [Honourable Member]. I am just going back. I do have some additional information here. I just had 11 para- educators have the opportunity to receive an intellectual disabilities certification at Bermuda College th …
The Chairman Chairman Purvis. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —Purvis. Again, I had spoken briefly to that. If you look at page B -136, you will see that there are additional employees for both of those schools, I believe eight in one and six in the other one that acc ount for some …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. So now I am just turning, flipping over to page B-136 to the employee numbers. So 27350, Francis Patton, is getting an additional eight teachers. And Purvis Primary (line item 27440 for Purvis) is getting an additional six teachers. But for the parish primary schools it is …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. So I believe that I understand that. And just sort of to summarise, it sounds as though, which is a great idea if we can get this working, would be that we may have in the early stages, let us say , a math teacher who may …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -138, [Honourable Member] Jackson?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, please.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Got it.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Just taking a look at my notes. I am sorry. I know it sounds like a long period of time.
The Chairman Chairman No problem.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I just want to make sure I have got things right.
The Chairman Chairman That is all right.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So page B -138. These are the performance measures. So as we are embarking on a new model for our parish primary schools and with Clearwater closing and the like, I just wanted to spend a little time and ask a few questions around the performance measures. So I am …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Oh, there you are, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, MP Famous.
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, MP Jackson. Good afternoon, honourable colleagues and listening audience.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good afternoon. Yes. And MP Famous had brought up during the parliamentary Question Period with the announce-ment of the closure of the Clearwater Middle School that smaller sizes, smaller classroom sizes with f ewer students, at least in the past there has been an argument that would say that children …
The Chairman Chairman One minute, Minister. For the benefit of the listening audience and our honourable colleagues, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023/24, Ministry of Education. The Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain has given his presentation from Heads 16, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. And if we do, I can understand that getting the scores might be difficult right today, right now. But also if we might be able to just get an idea of the kinds of assessments, the tools that are being used to assess the children at this …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I like this opportunity we have to actually have a real conversation about what is going on. I will reach back into my brief with your permission.
The Chairman Chairman Go right ahead, Minister. We have another two hours. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I will reach back into my brief. And I know sometimes we miss some of this stuff when we are reading it. And with your permission—I stated, “Mr. Chairman, the Educati on Officer for Reading is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You may proceed, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to stay with the performance measures, so we are tossing between page B -138 and I just want to move over to page B -139. Again it is not so much that I am trying to harp on the performance scores, but I …
The Chairman Chairman Members, Members.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —the end result, who are coming out of —
The Chairman Chairman One minute, one minute, MP. Members, there is only one person speaking. Please continue, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Who are coming out of senior secondary school with 45 per cent —only 45 per cent of the full class are achieving writing and reading. So we h ave got an issue, and if we are having more than half of our children graduating from senior secondary schools …
The Chairman Chairman Are you yielding for the Minister to answer the questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson One other question. One other question on performance measures and then we can move. Just on page B -138, and I am going over to the Primary Schools now. There is a second line item under business unit 1705, Primary Schools. There is a line here that says, Percentage of …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. My question, sticking with, I am still on page B-138— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Oh, I thought you were moving from there?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I know. Sorry. Not yet. You created another question. But I still am asking the Minister if we have a primary school that may be falling below the perfor-mance measures for a school that is achieving their objectives in reading, mathematics or writing, an d that school is the school …
The Chairman Chairman Are you finished, Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, do you have any further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, please, Mr. Chairman. That was a nice segue to page B -131, Head 17, Department of Education, the General Summary. I was just taking some notes during the briefing. And line item 27095, School Attendance. And it has zero. So there is no cost allocated to this. But if …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And then sort of my final question on this line item is, Do we feel that this $3,640,000 may still not be enough? And that we are actually building up our allocation of substitute teach-ers incrementally year over year until we can get to a population of s ubstitutes that …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And the other question, the attendance figure, that is something that we will really have to do some research on. It is not something that is at [our fingertips] right now. But I will commit to get you those numbers.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson My next questio n, I am still on page B -131, General Summary, Department of Education, Head 17. And I would like to look at 1702, Student Services, in particular 20061, Behaviour Management. The operating cost under Behaviour Management is $1,292,000. And this year it has been decreased by $156,000. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I am just still going to stay on this train of thought, on page B -131 under General Summary and still looking at the Alternative Education programmes and if it applies to the Behaviour Management as well. But we will stay on 27084, Alternative Education …
The Chairman Chairman One minute, MP. For the benefit of the listening public and the Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023/24. Honourable, Minister of Education, Diallo Rabain, is discussing Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41. This …
The Chairman Chairman I wasn’t finished, Minister. Minister, you now have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, “Dr. ” Famous. [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I have just been informed it is also the CAT team, which is the Clinical Advisory Team within the Student Services, that helps make …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister .
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Before we move off of page B-131, General Summary, still the Department of Education, Head 17, line item 27083. And this is the Au-tism Programme. We have $685,000 that we spent last year on the programmes. I was just wondering if the Minister could please give us a bit of …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Minister. [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. Do you have your pencils? Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Is there a problem? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: For business unit 27083, Autism, $611,087 is teacher salary and $70,000 is for consultant services. In terms of early intervention, again I will refer, with your permission, Mr. Chairman, back to the brief. And in the brief we talked about the …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. I am going to move on from the General Summary to page B -133, Department of Education. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions around Early Childhood Education, which is under General Summary, 1712, I believe [business unit] 27175, which is the Child Development. And …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. Just as a follow -on for that, I have asked this question before, maybe not to you but over the years. And I am going back a bit. But why did we cancel out the idea of members of staff from Child Development actually going to the …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. This is my last comment on that. Oftentimes we find that the parents who do come are the parents who are proactively and actively involved in their child’s development and may feel much more secure and confident to reach out. And it is the ones who are …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, please, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes. Just on that portion, I have just gotten some additional information. And I have been made to understand that they call every Bermuda House of Assembly parent. The stays in the hospital are much shorter, and parents are …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Chairman, I would like to move to Head 16, Ministry of Education Headquarters. I just had a couple of questions. There are not that many line items here. And as I work through this I may find that the Minister has already addressed some of these quest ions. So, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Then I just had one other question, Minister. On page B -128 of the Ministry of Education Headquarters, Head 16, Subjective Analy-sis. Under the expenditure, there are the Professional Services. And that is at $4 million this year, which is up $1,394,000 from last year. Please, I apologise if I …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. That was a good enough explanation for me. Thank you. I just have like a couple of trivial questions. We have the time so I can ask. I am so sorry, Mr. Chairman, but I am going to switch over to Head 17, Department of Education, on page …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. It is under revenue. I just could not figure it out. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I will have to endeavour to find that out. I am thinking that is for the After School Programme where persons pay for after school. I believe that is where the vouchers come …
The Chairman Chairman Any more trivial questions, MP Jackson?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No question in the House of Parliament is a trivial question.
The Chairman Chairman You used the word “trivial.”
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I did, I did. I did, I did, I did. Once I got the answer, I realised it was substantive. I have a substantive question.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So just two others while we are on page B -134. Repair and Maintenance. I noticed that Repai r and Maintenance has actually gone down this year, $164,000. I do not know if this is directly associated with, let us say, Clearwater closing. But with the costs going down, but …
The Chairman Chairman Probably more than all. You may proceed.
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience, we are having a debate by the Minister of Education, Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41. He is getting robust questions, trivial and substantial, from MP Jackson. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman And it has proven to be very educational. Please proceed, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I like to ask questions and get answers that meet all levels of under-standing. Bermuda House of Assembly Minister, I just wanted to go back to the instruction and mix it in a bit with the accreditation that you mentioned in your answer. So when we are look-ing …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed and answer her final questions. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. I am just waiting for my team to give me some points here. I do want to go bac k just a little bit, MP Jackson, and some answers have come from the Bermuda College …
Ms. Susan E . Jackson Just since we have a few more minutes, I am just wondering if the Minister might be able to speak a little bit about the actual building and the facilities and what we might be able to consider in future grant money or partnerships or something to address some of …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Thank you. So one of my final questions to the Minister is around campus life. I am still sticking with the facilities part and campus life. Whether the Minister feels that there may be a threat of lowering enrolment and participation in the Bermuda College. I know the Minister …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a couple of questions on Head 18, Libraries and Archives. I would like to start on the last page, B -146. It is a performance measure. It is Head 18, Libraries and Archives. Ther e was information about getting some —well, let me …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have another question on page B — 1092 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: MP Jackson, just be mindful you have approximately five minutes left for this debate.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I would like to go to page B -145, Head 18, Libraries and Archives. And this is the Youth Services, page B -145, and it is business unit 28110, Youth Services. I am just wondering if the Minister mig ht be able to provide an average number of …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am just looking for if they knew like sort of the average number of people who attend each of those programmes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. The average number of attendance—
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. That is right. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Well, I could quickly pull out my calculator and say what is 2,500 divided by 175? And that will give yo u the average of numbers. But I am encouraged where it says the Youth Library use per annum is 1,200. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I just have one fin al question. Do I have time for one final question? This is on page B -141, which is Head 18, Libraries and Archives. Just curious why there is just a little less money for operating the Youth Services, line 28110? We have got $431,000, which …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience and my Honourable Members in the Chamber, we are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the y ear 2023/24. The Minister of Education gave his robust answers to Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41 …
The Chairman Chairman Oh, sorry, s orry. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Dr. Famous. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman My apologies. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Dr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I move that Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41 be approved as printed. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Are there any objections? None. Moved. [Motion carried: Ministry of Education, Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41 were approved and will stand as part of …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we will now do the non- ministry heads, Heads 1 through 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101. The Honourable Premier David Burt will do Heads 1 through 5 and 92. Premier/Finance Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As you were so gracious in your introduction to say that I will be doing Heads 1 through 5 and 92, the Minister responsible for the Human Right Commission, the Honourable Minister of Social Development and Seniors, will be doing …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman My favourite location. [Laughter] NON -MINIST RY HEADS HEAD 1 —GOVERNOR AND STAFF Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I would like to present the brief for the Governor and Staff, Head 1, which can be found on pages B -7 through B -9 of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Premier. HEAD 2 —THE LEGISLATURE Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Just a small joke, Mr. Chairman, I am surprised the Speaker is not trying to take his seat to read this.) You remember that, right? Mr. Chairman, I am proud to present the Budget for Head …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: During the 2022/23 fiscal year , there was no renovation work carried out at the Sessions House. The capital account estimate for 2022/23, as seen on page C -4 of the Budget Book is $1,290,000; $184,000 is for Veritas Place rent support for both the …
The Chairman Chairman Vaguely . Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, Bermuda is considered world cl ass for the reinsurance industry and the legislation amplifying our financial services industry has been passed in the Legislature. Sessions House including the Chamber will require urgent attention. Mr. Chairman, I now turn my attention to the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Head 92. HEAD 92 —DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL AUDIT Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 92, the Department of Internal Audit, found on pages B -27 through B -29 of the Budget Book. Mr. Chairman, the mission …
The Chairman Chairman Well, what I want to do is do these four for questions and then close it out . . . were there four? Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, I moved them all, Mr. Chairman. If you want to . . .
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we can . . . yes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Okay, that’s fine. I have no issue. That’s eas ier for me. So, I —
The Chairman Chairman I knew it would be. Hon. E. David Burt: —appreciate it. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Cole Hadley Simons. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I would like to thank the Premier for his comments and taking on these ministries. I would like to go [Head 1] Governor and Staff. I am quite comfortable with what has been sai …
The Chairman Chairman I thought it was 1871. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay, well in the 1800s. And it is an asset of this country , and I am just wondering if the Minister of Finance can share with this House whether there is a master refurbishing plan for that House on …
The Chairman Chairman What, what — Hon. N. H. Cole S imons: It’s CapEx , [Capital Expenditure page] C-4.
The Chairman Chairman Page C -4? Okay, thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, we are positioning ourselves, in essence, to have a larger bill going forward because at the end of the day looks like if we don’t get this property fixed properly it will collapse around the Governor when they …
The Chairman Chairman What line item are you talking about? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: It’s Administration, cost centre 12000.
The Chairman Chairman Cost centre 12000, page C -11? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes; Administration. As you know, in a democracy we have the Judiciary, the Legislature and the Executive. And each of those arms of democracy basically provide checks 1102 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. What is your question? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: My question is simple. I am framing it. I know that a couple of years ago the PLP Government had in its Throne Speech a commitment to progress this independent parliamentary commis-sion. I know the legislation is ready. That has …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, Mr. Simons, we are in Committee, right? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman You need to— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am getting to framing—
The Chairman Chairman —you cannot — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: This is going to—
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simon s— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman When I am talking you listen, right? We are in Committee. You have to [state a] business unit first. This is not here to make . . . you are going into a general discussion. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: This is a ll, Mr. Chairman, under Administration. Everything that …
The Chairman Chairman Administration of the wages for the — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, no. Administration Department, 1200[0].
The Chairman Chairman [It is] 1200[0]. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, it is general administration. So, I am able to speak to a number of issues be-cause general administration is rather broad.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Simons. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, my other issue is the oversight committee, which is known as the Public Accounts Committee. Mr. Chairman, the Public Accounts Committee [PAC] is the ultimate oversight committee. And my question to the Minister of Finance is, When will we be positio …
The Chairman Chairman Ask the questi on— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am asking now. I said I would like to ask the Minister of Finance—
The Chairman Chairman You can just ask the question. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —to provide more capital, economic capital and more resources, to ensure the success a nd effectiveness of the Public Accounts Committee. Still on line item 1200[0], CapEx, that is the capital expenditure of $1.290—
The Chairman Chairman Where are you, on [page] C — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: CapEx on [page] C -4, I think.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Page], C -4, right. Bermuda House of Assembly The Premier indicated through his presentation that we would have . . . (I listened, and I thought that was new to me) $ 500,000 to Dame —
The Chairman Chairman [Page] C -4. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Page] C -4. —$500,000 to Dame Lois Browne- Evans, which is the Judiciary; $500,000 [sic] to Sessions House; and $180,000 to Veritas. Can the Minister provide more details on how these funds will be ex-pended? What will we do with the $550,000 …
The Chairman Chairman What Head, Mr. Simons. The Auditor General, Head 5— Hon. N. H. Cole Simon s: I yield to my colleague. He has a question.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to the Honourable Opposition Leader for yielding. Just a couple of quick questions for the Hon-ourable Premier on Head 2, Legislat ure. At [page] B -11, this is under 12000, Administration, and then on page B-11 at the top is current account estimates. …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Now, on to the Auditor General, [pages] B -14 and B -15, salaries. It indicates that 80 per cent —if you will allow me, sir —
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —80 per cent of the Audit Office practitioners are contract officers on work permits for three years. My question is this: Recently the Minister of Home Affairs and Immigration has instituted new regulations in regard to contract workers. Will that new regulation force …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay, the other issue that I like for the Minister to address is the issue of out-sourcing the production of audited financial state-ments. The Minister has made it clear from year to year that . . . sorry, the Auditor General has made it …
The Chairman Chairman You have to wait for the answer. You ask the question, then you want to give the answer. Hon . N. H. Cole Simons: I have not given the answer. I am just asking the question.
The Chairman Chairman Well, you are speculating. Just ask the question. [ Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman I got to because I want to be good. I do not want him to embarrass the family. [Lau ghter] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. Okay. So that is all I have on the Auditor General. Then if you go over to Internal Audits, this is page B -29.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -29. Got you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I only have one question on page B -29—two questions, sorry. The first question is this: And I am qualifying it, so just give me a bit of lati-tude. I worked in Internal Audit in my banking career. And while …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Cole Hedley Simons. [Pause] [Ms . Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman To members of the public, we are now debating the heads for the non-ministries. When the Premier/Minister of Finance is ready, he will attempt to answer the questions for the Opposition Leader. Mr. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Madam Chairman. For the benefit of …
The Chairman Chairman Do not fall for the bait. Hon. E. David Burt: I am just saying consistency would be welcome— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: A point of clarification,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Does the Premier accept the point of clarification? Hon. E. David Burt: No. I do not. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Take your seat, Member. Take your seat. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. So that is the answer to the first one. So the work is continuing. They are recessing. Between the Ministry of Public Works is a department between Government House and also between the Foreign Commonwealth and …
The Chairman Chairman Do not let them distract you. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, it is kind of hard, Madam Chairman. I cannot hear myself think. I mean, I must say, the five of them are making quite a bit of noise today. It is okay. Moving on to, Have school tours been …
The Chairman Chairman While the Premier is checking the figures, I just want to let the House know and the lis-tening public we have approximately 1 hour and 30 minutes remaining, I believe, approximate. [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. To provide the breakdown of professional services, if I may, Madam Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? There are no further questions. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. As we are dividing and spreading this out, and given that the former Chair had said that we should just do a …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. 1108 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: So at this time I move that Head 1, Head 2, Head 5 and Head 92 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 1, Head 2, Head 5 and Head 92 be approved. Are there any objections to that? No objections. So moved. [Motion carried: Non- Ministry Heads 1, 2, 5 and 92 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2023/24.]
The Chairman Chairman That is it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How much time do we hav e left?
The Chairman Chairman We now have approximately —and I did misquote the time earlier. We have approximately 1 hour and 35 minutes. Yes. We are now going to hear from the Minister of Social Development and Seniors. Minister, you have the floor. HEAD 56— HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, just reminding you that we have approximately 1 hour and 35 minutes. And the Minister is debating on the Human Rights Commission. Thank you, Minister, Head 56. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Commission is Bermuda’s National Human Rights Institution and the statutory body charged with the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any persons who wish to speak to Head 56, Human Rights Commission? I recognise the Opposition Leader. Member , you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: First of all, I would like to commend the Human Rights team for a job well done. …
The Chairman Chairman As long as it is brief. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: It is very brief. One sentence. “The Commission receives a budget allocation from the Legislature and is administratively accountable to the Minister with responsibility for Human Rights, the Minister of Social Development and Seniors.” We are here today debating …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak? There being none, Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman. So . . . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes, I will have to come back with the [answer to t he] second …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Is there any other Minister who wishes — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Just a supplementary.
The Chairman Chairman —to speak? Could you wait until I recognise you? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And let me go back and I will just read it again. It says, Madam Chairman, and this i s their brief: “The Commission receives . . . is administratively accountable …
The Chairman Chairman I want to remind the listening public that we are debating Head 56 on Human Rights. And we have approximately one hour and seven minutes remaining for all non- ministry heads. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Madam Chairman, I am just waiting to hear from . . …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you wish— Hon. Tinee Furbert: —because I didn’t write this, Madam Chairman. The Human Rights Commission wrote this. Okay? [Inaudible interjections] [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, if you wish to answer the question or provide an answer to that question [later] and we [can move] on to another Head, that is per-fectly fine. You can get the information to the Member later. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, very much, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Head 56? There being none . . . Minister. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you move the Head, please? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that Head 56 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 56 for the Estimates of [Revenue] and Expenditure be approved. Are there any objections? There being none; so moved. Thank you. [Motion carried: Non- Ministr y Head 56 was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023/24.]
The Chairman Chairman I now call on the Minister of Tourism and Cabinet Office to take the floor. Thank you, Minister. You have the floor. HEAD 63 —PARLIAMENTARY REGISTRAR Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I would now like to present the brief for the Parliamentary Registrar, Head 63, that …
The Chairman Chairman And Minister, the Office realised a savings of $18,000. Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, that is correct. Madam Chairman, the account for the overseas consultants and local contractors decreased as a result of less frequent use of external professional services to assist with investigations and other operations. Currently, these functions are …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Will you be moving on to the next . . . 1116 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: I will be. I will go right through and finish.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Minister. HEAD 98—OFFICE OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 98, the Office of the Information Commissioner, found on pages B -32 through B -37 of the Budget Book. The Information Commissioner is an …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You have just under 25 minutes, and I believe you have Head 101 to present. Hon. Vance Campbell: That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. HEAD 101 —OFFICE OF THE PRIVACY COMMISSIONER Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 101, the Of-fice of the Privacy Commissioner for Bermuda, found on pages B -38 through B -41 of the Budget Book. The mission of the Privacy Commissioner …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have just under 20 minutes remaining. Hon. Vance Campbell: So with the total amount of $107,000 to be used for office space, which is shown as line item 7, on page B -39, the office will use $17,000 for its information communications technology infras tructure, an amount that …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have 10 minutes. Hon. Vance Campbell: I don’t have that many pages left, Madam Chairman. Hopefully, we will get through them. Madam Chairman, capital expenditure allocation for the office is found on page C -9 of the Budget Book, and $46,000 has been allotted for the fiscal year …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other persons who speak to— [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman We have four minutes. I recognise the Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will go through fairly quickly.
The Chairman Chairman You will have to, Member. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I understand that, believ e me. Okay. As it pertains to the Parliamentary Registrar, my question under Research is, Can the Minister give us an update on the research done to date on absentee ballots and mail -in ballots? I …
The Chairman Chairman Ombudsman. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —Ombudsman. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman He has two minutes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, very much. The next section is on—
The Chairman Chairman Information Commissioner? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. As far as the Information Commissioner is concerned, obviously she made it clear that she had not been consulted enough in regard to the fee, the fee that the Government intends to charge for some of these—
The Chairman Chairman So, what is your question? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So my question is, Can the Minister provide us details on the proposed structure of the fees that they will be initiating when there is a heavy load for the ministries in question in responding to PATI requests?
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simo ns: So, can the Minister provide the structure of how the fee will be determined? Because the public would like to know that because they may see the fee as a deterrent to having access to that information.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other questions, Member? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: One other question. I am moving onto the Information . . . PIPA.
The Chairman Chairman PIPA, yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Obviously, this is the newest human consumer rights laws and it is my understanding that the Act came into being in 2016, but it has not been fully enacted yet.
The Chairman Chairman So question. 1122 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So the question is —
The Chairman Chairman Quickly. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: When does the Government intend to fully enact the legislation that was passed in 2016?
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Member, I have to ask that you take your seat so that the Minister can move his heads. Minister . . . [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you move your Heads, please? Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chair man, I move that Heads 63, 85, 98, and 101 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 63, 85, 98, and 101 be approved. Are there any objections? There are no objections; approved. [Motion carried: Non- Ministry Heads 63, 85, 98, and 101 w ere approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023 /24.]
The Chairman Chairman And Minister, you may give your answers to the colleague later. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I now call on the Speaker to come and . . . Sorry . . . I call on the Finance Minister. Sorry. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, having completed all of the heads that were completed in the Estimates of Revenue …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Current Account Estimates, the Capital [Development] Estimates and the Capital [Acquisition] Estimates be approved. Are there any objections? There being none; so approved. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman. I move that the Estimates of Revenue and Ex …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the [Estimates of] Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2023/24 be approved. Are there any objections? Approved. [Motion carried: The Estimates of Revenue and Ex-penditure for the f inancial year 2023/24 were considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed. ] Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the approval of the Estimates be reported to the House. Are there any objections? There being none; so approved.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Finance Minister/Premier. I call on the Speaker to resume his seat. House resumed at 8: 29 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2023/24
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Estimates of Revenue and Expe nditure for the year 2023/24 being approved and reported to the House? There are none. They have been approved and reported to the House. Members, that now moves us on to the rest of the Order Paper. The …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. You were going to say the Appropriation Act?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: My apologies, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Yes, I was about to move us on to the Appropriation Act. You thought I was going to close the House, did you? [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Some of us might want to go home today, but there is a lot more to do. Go ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: They gave me a big piece of paper, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: I have like 18 tabs on here and I am trying to keep it together. BILL FIRST READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing a Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2023 with the Governor’s recommendation signified.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: I move in accordance with Standing Order 28(5)(1) that under the provisions of Standing Orders 41, 12, and 42 the remaining stages of the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2023 be taken forthwith.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. BILL SECOND READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2023 be now read the second time in the House.
The Speaker The Speaker No objections. Continue. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2023 was read a second time.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move clauses 1 through 6, inclusive, together with the Schedules A, B, and C as printed.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? None. Continue. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 together with Schedules A, B, and C passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move the preamble.
The Chairman Chairman No objections. Continue. BILL THIRD READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2023 be now read the third time by its title only.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the said Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read by its title only and is now passed. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the following message be sent to the Senate.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. MESSAGE TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATION ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: To the Honourable President and Members of the Senate: 1124 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The House of Assembly has the honour to forward herewith the undernoted Bill for the concurrence of your …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Bill has been read and approved. Mr. Premier, would you like to move on to the next item? Government Fees Amendment Regula-tions 2023, Order (No.) 3 on the Order Paper for today. [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: With the Governor’s recommendations and in accordance with section 36(3) …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. Continue. DRAFT REGULATIONS GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 202 3 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, in the past the Government reviewed and updated all fees charged for government services every two years. This review was done to ensure there was appropriate cost recov-ery for the provisions of …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak to the matter? Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have reviewed the legislation and I can say that the rate increases are reasonable, given that a number of them have not been …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? None. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. I move that the said draft Regulations be approved and a suitable message be sent to Her E xcellency the Governor.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. The said draft Regulations will be approved and a message will be sent to. [Motion carried: Draft Regulations entitled Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2023 Regulations 2021 were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker [Microphone off ] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, if you just give me one second. Someone has just given me my brief. The Sergeant -at-Arms has just given it to me. [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2023 be now read a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue. BILL SECOND READING PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present the Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2023. This Bill will make amendments to both the Payroll Tax Act 1995 and …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I quote, “ It is important that Honourable Members recall that employee payroll taxes are not the liability of employers under the law. The changes made to the payroll tax system . . . created two separate and distinct …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Does any other Member wish to make a co ntribution at this time? Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have listened to the Premier. I listened to the Minister of Finance. Hon. E. David …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair and you will be all right then. 1128 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: We in t he Opposition recognise the economic challenges faced by the people of Bermuda. We recognise that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Richardson.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Good evening, Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Anthony Richardson: —and to my colleagues and those in the listening audience. Mr. Speaker, I stand with a smile on my face. And the reason why I stand with a smile on my face is because, guess what, Mr. Speaker, if you sit …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. An thony Richardson But for right now, my point is that the commentary from the Opposition Leader just now, in my opinion, was actually mediocre in re-sponse to the great plan to adjust the payroll tax that has come from the PLP. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Anthony Richardson And I heard you, Mr. Whip, saying that I am being kind. But let’s leave it for now. What I will do, Mr. Speaker, is say that . . . I will actually start where the Honourable [Opposition] Leader left off, which is that killing the gol den goose, right, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson I know. But it was interesting though, right, that we did a calculation which would show that for the persons that are in that band, their payroll tax, even if they paid it themselves, is ac-tually about 11 per cent.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh my.
Mr. Anthony Richardson And it used to be 9 per cent. And if you permit, Mr. Speaker, I will say that it is facetious to say that what is currently being proposed under the Payroll Tax Amendment is actually going to be negative to someone who earn at that level. The Minister of …
Mr. Anthony Rich ardson Yes, sir. Get off the fence. Splinters are hard to remove once they are embedded. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Mr. Speaker, I mean, I am not sure what we are listening to here, but I would not a llow the public to be misled as to where we are in our history in Bermuda. We are here —Payroll Tax Amendment Act. I hear people talking about being on …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. You’ll be all right. Speak to the chair.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier We are in this position, Mr. Speaker, because of the times we are living in. When the OBA was Government, it was the first Government to attack those high earners who were not declaring proper salaries to the Government —dentists and the like. Hon. E. David Burt: That’s not true.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is true. I was there, Premier. Dentists and the like were declaring that their salaries were half and a quarter as much as they were. And if it was not for the Honourable Bob Richards at the time going after this situation to make it real that, no, no, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is definitely misleading the House. He is not understanding what I said. I said, Mr. Speaker, that the Honourable Cole Simons is sitting on the fence because he said he supports some and not the others, which means, Mr. Speaker, he is straddling the …
The Speaker The Speaker That is his interpretation, his saying you did not understand. He was not saying anything derogatory which we would not allow.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am talking about the state that we are in. Maybe he is not understanding the state that we are in and what is driving this here. And I will close with this here. Clearly the inspiration here is desperation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Simmons, you have the floor.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise tonight because we have to speak for the 86 per cent. We have to speak for the 86 per cent—the ones who are not worried about buying their first house. They are worried about keeping the house that the y pay rent on, keeping …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a comment? Premier. I think some voice back there spoke for everyone that time. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, my, my, my! Let me just say the Honourable Member whose constituency represents some of the wonderful people …
The Speaker The Speaker Direct it this way. Direct it this way. You’ll be all right. Hon. E. David Burt: Don’t worry, Mr. Speaker. I will direct it after the chirping stops. I want them to hear because they were not listening earlier, Mr. Speaker. And so, I want them to hear because they …
The Speaker The Speaker Just talk this way. Just talk this way. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, we know what choices are. And you know what the choices are? The choices are very simple. You can have the One Bermuda Alliance who had payroll taxes for workers at the highest level in history or …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Point of order. He is misrepresenting the case. I said earlier, if you heard my contribution, that we supported the 86 per cent in my response.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for the clarification. Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: So, here we go. Here we go. The same Opposition Leader who said that our payroll tax changes are irresponsible, today now says he sup-ports them. Understand. Understand. Understand. Governing is not easy. Governing is not easy. You have to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 9: 29 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled the Payroll …
The Chairman Chairman You may. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Clause 1 is self -explanatory. Clause 2 amends section 3 of the principal Act to increase the maximum level of remuneration that is subject to payroll tax from $900,000 to $1,000,000. This change provides that in respect of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier. Are there a ny further speakers? There appear to be none. Mr. Premier, do you want to move the si x clauses for approval? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 6 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 6 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approve d. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2023 was considered by a Committee of the …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 9:32 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2023 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. It has been reported as printed. Premier, would you like to do the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 now? Hon. E. David Burt: If you wish.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation, I move that the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 be now read for the second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? None. Go ahead, Premier. 1134 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly BILL SECOND READING CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Th ank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members are now requested to give consideration to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader, you have your moment to make your contribution now. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would like to begin by complimenting the Customs Department and Ms . Pearman, the Collector of Customs, for a job well done on this piece …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I always do. Go ahead. 1136 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Because I do not want you to be influenced by the Premier /Finance Minister’s misinterpretation.
The Speaker The Speaker No, no. Just speak here. We will get it nice and clear up here. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, we support this legislation. Hon. E. David Burt: Hey!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member All right! [Desk thumping] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, we support the reduction in duties on education and our young people’s uniforms. We understand the challenges with regard to the construction industry and the concrete products. And I know that there was a scarcity of concrete products globally. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member . . . MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scot t Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, well, well. What a difference a Bill makes, huh? Only one Bill ago, we were hearing how bold the Premier was, how brave he was, how leader-ship was tough and he was making tough decisions. And then we heard from MP R ichardson about how …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ouch!
Mr. Scott Pearman Ouch indeed. The sugar tax needs to go. And yes, the Opposition Leader is right. He has offered support because it is better to get rid of some of it now. But you should go all the way. Why? Because leaders need to be bold. They need to make tough …
Mr. Scott Pearman He arrived in a new world and had no idea where he was. And he got back in the Bermuda House of Assembly boat and went home and he had no idea where he had been. And yet, what did he do? He sailed around, spending other people’s money. Stop …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? None other. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I welcome the support of the Leader of the Opposition for this Bill because it is right . You must balance. And I guess the Honourable Member who just took his seat …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier is misleading the House. He may have wandered around, not listening to my speech. But in fact, I commended the Opposit ion Leader for his support, and I agreed with his support. I said the Bill did not go far enough and you should repeal the sugar …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am happy that the Honourable Member said that, because do you know what was interesting? We got a letter from the Diabetes Association in our consultation. And I am happy that the Honourable Member has quoted the Diabetes Association. The Diabetes …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is misleading this House. First of all, I was here for the health debate. It was a pleasure. It is always a pleasure to hear from a sensible Minister on y our side of the aisle. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker All Members are sensible in this House. Hon. E. David Burt: See, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to me, Premier. Talk to me, Prem-ier. Talk to me. Hon. E. David Burt: I live rent free in the Honourable Member’s head. I absolutely do. And I enjoy it. It is something that just occupies his time and mind. But here is the thing. At the same point …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 9:5 4 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] 1138 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly COMMITTEE ON BILL CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 . Premier and Finance Minister Burt, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would ask that …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 1 contains the citation. Clause 2 amends section 4 of the First Schedule to the principal Act as follows: in Chapter 17 by inserting a new tariff code, 1704.903, for nutrition bars containing added sugar with a 25 per cent …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. They are happy. Hon. E. David Burt: Clause 3 also inserts into the Fifth Schedule to the p rincipal Act, the following new CPCs with a zero rate of duty: CPC 4242 providing end-use relief for school uniforms, CPC 4243 providing end- use relief for aggregate for local commercial …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 4 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman I t has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none? The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 was considered by a Committee of …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 9:58 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 being reported as printed? There are none. Bermuda House of Assembly Premier, would you like to move on to the Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023? Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue. BILL SECOND READING PUBLIC TREASURY (ADMINISTRATION AND PAYMENTS) AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to present for debate by Honourable Members the Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023, hereinafter referred …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution? Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we support this legislation because this is a permissive piece of legislation. And it involves tidying up and providing structure in regard to rebates …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? None. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr . Speaker. I am grateful for the support of the Shadow Minister of Finance. And I move this Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 10:0 8 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chair man] COMMITTEE ON BILL PUBLIC TREASURY (ADMINISTRATION AND PAYMENTS) AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Bill entitled the Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023 . Premier , Finance Minister , David Burt, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Clause 1 provides a citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends the Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Act [1969] to provide for the payment out of the Consolidated Fund of sums in re-spect to a rebate of taxes, fees …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any fur ther speakers? Bermuda House of Assembly There appear to be none.
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 4 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 4 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The preamble is approved. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023 was considered by a …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 10:12 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE PUBLIC TREASURY (ADMINISTRATION AND PAYMENTS) AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. It has been reported as printed. We now move on to the next item, which is the second reading of the Miscellaneous Fees and Penalties …
The Speaker The Speaker Eleven. Minister of Transport. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are going to combine the whole three together as agreed by the Opposition and also as agreed by yourself. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Are there any objections that? There are none. Continue. DRAFT REGULATIONS MARINE AND PORTS AUTHORITY (PILOTAGE DUES) REGULATIONS 2023 MARINE AND PORTS (SEABORNE SERVICES) REGULATIONS 2023 MARINE AND PORTS AUTHORITY (PORT DUES) REGULATIONS 2023 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Honourable Members and Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to bring to this …
The Speaker The Speaker Would any other Member wish to make a comment? MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Speaker, yes. I just have a few words. And that is that certainly the Opposition supports the fact that it is a tax increase. So it is what it is. It is for the international ships, so this does not affect any of our smaller local ships. So …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a comment? None. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the said draft Regulations —that is, Marine and Ports Authority (Pilotage Dues) Regulations 2023, Marine and Ports (Seaborne Services) Regulations 2023 and Marine and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any objections? There are none. The necessary message will be sent to the Governor. [Motion carried: the Marine and Ports Authority (Pilotage Dues) Regulations 2023, the Marine and Ports (Seaborne Services) Regulations 2023 and the Ma-rine and Ports Authority (Port Dues) Regulations 2023 were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker This closes out the items that were on the Order Paper for today. Those Ministers who would like to do their third readings, I think you should take advantage of that right now. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 2 1 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objection? None. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. BILL THIRD READING PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2023 be now read for the third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.] SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. [Motion carried: St anding Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Premier. BILL THIRD READING CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 be now read for its third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.] SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Premier. BILL THIRD READING PUBLIC TREASURY (ADMINISTRATION AND PAYMENTS) AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023 be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Public Treasury (Administration and Payments) Amendment Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 14 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 14 be suspended to enable me to introduce a Bill to the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? [Motion carried: Standing Order 14 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, continue. BILL FIRST READING GAMING AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Gaming Amendment Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue on. Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 14 1144 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 14 be suspended to enable me to introduce a Bill to the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. [Motion carried: Standing Order 14 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. BILL FIRST READING FAIRMONT S OUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2023 Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Do you have a second? Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 14 Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 14 be suspended to enable me to in-troduce a Bill to the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. [Motion carried: Standing Order 14 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. BILL FIRST READING VACATION RE NTALS (APPLICATION AND REGISTRATION FEES) ACT 2023 Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution requires the Governor’s recommendation, so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: Thank you. This brings us to a close of business for the evening.
Mr. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until the date of Friday, March 24, 2023, at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy, I thought you were pac king your bags so you could walk out the door. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr. No. I felt like it, but . . . [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy, you have your 20 minutes on the clock. BERMUDIAN WORKFORCE Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently the Minister for Economy and Labour prepared a report, and it is entitled Addressing the Challenge of an Ageing Population in Bermuda. I do not think people …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Premier , you could have kept rising. Hon. E. David Burt: I wanted to, but I did not want my Member —
Mr. Anthony Richardson No worr ies.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Richardson.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everyone is telling me to be quick, and I will do that.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Anthony Ri chardson I do not know about two minutes, but I will be quick, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Three minutes would be good. OBA’S 2023/24 BUDGET REPLY
Mr. Anthony Richardson Well, let me just do this real quick, Mr. Speaker. As I prepared for today to come and just , you know , to reflect upon what has transpired over the past couple of weeks as we went through the entire budget process start ing on February 17 when it …
The Speaker The Speaker Just . . . just . . . just speak to the Chair—
Mr. Anthony Richardson —I am looking at you, Mr. Speaker. And I am speaking to you, Mr. Speaker. —
The Speaker The Speaker —Just speak to the Chair. Don’t get caught up and get sidetracked.
Mr. Anthony Richardson But what I will say, Mr. Speaker, is that one of the points that I want to clarify today, Mr. Speaker, is what I think is necessary, that we know that the OBA was t he Government between December 17, 2012 and July 18, 2017. And one point that keeps …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, it did not.
Mr. Anthony Richardson And the debt doubled, Mr. Speaker, because the net debt when they came in was $1.2 billion, and when they left it was $2.4 billion, Mr. Speaker. And I know, Mr. Speaker, that one of the Honourable Members is going to go now and go to the book . And …
Mr. Anthony Richardson He is incorrect, Mr . Speaker. And he can say what he wants to say, Mr. Speaker, but I have the information. And, yes, you can go and look, Mr. Speaker. I have the information for every single year, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Anthony Richardson . . .if you choose. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is misleading the House. [Page] C-29 of the B udget Book. For the PLP, $1.574. Yes, that is it. [Page] C-29. There you go.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, that is — Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker? Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order ? POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I must because it is vital to clarify the record. Because I know that the Honourable Member is new to this House. He has been here about three years, but he is relatively new , even though he has …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, I am going to do my best now. I am going to calm down, Mr. Speak-er. I can tell you, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson And I am going to go slow, Mr. Speaker. On March 12, Mr. Speaker, the gross debt was $1.35 million . The Sinking Fund was $114 million, a net debt of $1.2 billion. When the OBA left, Mr. Speaker, the gross debt was $2 .5 billion, $150 million in the …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. Point of order. Again, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. I refer him to page C -29 of the B udget Book. He has just referred to the gross debt. [In] 2012/ 13— $1.574000 [billion] . And when the PLP comes in it is $2.483935 [billion] …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member . . . I am not going to go back and forth, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Please do not.
Mr. Anthony Richardson But what I will say is this. And I will go a little bit slower, Mr. Speaker. What the Honourable Member is referring to is the information on March 2013, the gross debt was $1.5 billion, Sinking Fund $97 million, a net debt of $1.5 billion. That is what he …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is again misleading the House. The question as to whose debt it is is who borrows the money. If it is the PLP that borrow s the money, that is why it is $ 1.574 [billion] . I mean, come on, guys. You are not fooling anyone.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, I am going to suggest —
Mr. Anthony Richardson —I will move on. —
The Speaker The Speaker —that you use your explanation for your 20 minutes , so you can clearly speak yourself through.
Mr. Anthony Richards on Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will come back. And now, Mr. Speaker, I know that there are many persons listening, Mr. Speaker. And so, I will say one more time that in March 31, 2012 the gross debt was $1.35 billion, the Sinking Fund [was] $114 million, the net debt …
The Speaker The Speaker Let him finish. If you are going to repeat yourself, just let him finish, and you can do it un-der your 20 minutes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman I was not going to repeat myself. I was going to point out that March 2012 was, in fact, not when the OBA Government was elected. It was December 2012 . And during the year from March 2012 , it was a PLP budget. Again, the Honourable Member is misleading …
The Speaker The Speaker All right.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will stop this pop -up-and-down pop- down thing. [Laughter]
Mr. Anthony Richardson And I will just say one more time, we can leave . . . Mr. Speaker, I know it is misuse of parliamentary language, right?
The Speaker The Speaker Please do. Please do.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I do not want to refer him to guacamole , so let’s leave it for now. And I will just say one more time, Mr. Speaker, that the information is that March 2012 the net debt was $1.2 billion, and when they left the next reporting period was $2.4 [billion]. …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —I was referring to is that they say . . . And I will come back to this point, Mr. Speaker, just to say this , that what was a ( I guess ) concern, a nd it has not been spoken about before, and so I think I can …
The Speaker The Speaker I am glad you cleared it up that it was attended to at that moment.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes. And so, Mr. S peaker, what I will now say , though, in terms of . . . If it was correct that the OBA reply was the OBA reply on Friday and it was changed on Monday, what was the actual reply ? And is it simply applicable …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —I think I have made the point now, Mr. Speaker, in terms of why Bermuda loses. It is just as if, Mr. Speaker, we go back to the analogy of the 100- yard dash. Right? I f you start at the wrong spot or you somehow get disqualified, there is …
Mr. Anthony Richardson And that is the reality in this case, Mr. Speaker. And it is a serious thing because now we have what we should have and do not have (I suppose) is no real rebuttal to what the PLP has done. Mr. Speaker, I earlier referred to . . . And …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Right? But for some reason, Mr. Speaker, even on this document (Right? ) you have red on top going up and green on the bottom going down. And so, when I first saw it, I said, Oh my goodness! What has happened? And so , I do not know, Mr. …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —the point, Mr. Speaker, in terms of , Where are we? What did they do? And in my opinion, it has been difficult to really understand and follow through. And no . . . they say . . . I am going to say what they say now because also, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson If you were ineffective, i f you were lazy , if you were not achieving, i f you were not going over and beyond, they would not care about you. So that is why, Minister Hayward. And for every-one else: Take heart! They take notice of those who are doing …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . 1150 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Does any other Honourable Member wish to . . . MP Weeks, are you rising for your 20 minutes? Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Weeks, your clock is on. ROAD BEHAVIOUR Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would rather have not risen after such an eloquent presentation by my learned colleague, but Mr. Speaker, my remarks this evenin g are of a different nature. You know when we do our …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Since 2015, Mr. Speaker, there have been over 49,000 tickets issued for driving offenc es. Yes , 49,000 in our country in the last eight years. In that same eight -year period, over 14,000 cautions were also issued for driving offenc es. So , …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Identify a designated driver for your group. Do not ever let friends drive after drinking.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: If you have been drinking, get a ride home from a friend who has not been drink-ing or have someone call you a taxi. If you host a par-ty with alcohol, offer alcohol -free beverages. And remind guests to designate a sober driver. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Perhaps we should look at, for a time designated, having all lines marked with yellow on our roads. We know that white lines give motorists the unsaid licenc e to overtake. So perhaps let’s think about making all lines yellow, again, only for …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister, for your comments. Does any other Minister wish to . . . MP Famous .
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Spe aker, good evening. I honestly was not even planning on coming back here. I left earlier.
The Speaker The Speaker I saw you with your bags when you went out the door.
Mr. C hristopher F amous No, n o. That w as someone else’s bag.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. All right. TIKTOK STRATEGY OF THE OBA
Mr. Christopher Famous I left here at 6:00 [pm], Mr. Speaker, to take a visiting guest out for the evening. And after the evening was over, I was driving him back to his hotel, and I had the House on , [I was listening]. And the Premier was giving his presentation on the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who was that?
Mr. Christopher Famous I do not know.
The Speaker The Speaker Just talk to the C hair. Talk to the C hair.
Mr. Christopher Famous And the visitor, second day in Bermuda, sa id, Who is that? And I said, Well that person is on the Opposition as well. And he said, Man, they really sound like they have an axe to grind. I said, Not really. You know, they just come from a different …
Mr. Christopher Famous What they tend to do, as the Honourable Member from constituency 7 said, is that somewhere along the line there is going to be a little small snippet of social media that they are going to clip out of something that s omebody said that is going to find itself …
Mr. Christopher Fam ous I said probably .
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Talk to the Chair. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Possibly. Probability. Let’s just . . . Let’s do a Pearl Harbour on them through social media. Right? So, I . . . You know, in studying, when you play football or some competitive sport, you look at the opponent and you see how they play and you say, Okay. …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, let me move on. MP Derrick Burgess, the Deputy Speaker, said something earlier about apprentice scheme[s]. Mr. Speaker, back in 1980s thereabout, [the] t elephone company , some people would know it as TELCO with their yellow trucks, they had an apprenticeship scheme for what they called summer …
Mr. Christopher Famous Okay. Check the— [Inaudible interjection] Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Christopher Famous: Okay. Check the Workforce Development. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Christopher Famous Okay. My mistake. I would encourage companies to take on an apprentice be-cause 40 years ago I was somebody’s apprentice. There are other people in this room who were somebody’s apprentice. And that helps to build the next generation. The trend that we are on, as Honourable Burgess said, [is] …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you—
Mr. Christopher Famous Thank you to the Whip for intervening.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you Honourable Member. MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Mr. Speaker. Good evening.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. ROAD BEHAVIO UR
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I will take 10 minutes. Last w eek we had the opportunity of listening to the Honourable Caines talk about on the roads, and then this evening Honourable Member Minister Weeks —a very sobering two speeches that were given. And then to listen to the Honourable Member Weeks who has …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-mm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier [It is] ladies as well. And those who are passing on the roads are not just young people, but they are my age as well. And I must admit, last week when I left here was the scariest time I had. Three riders . . . I did not even …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: I hate to interrupt the Honourable gentleman.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier did not hire him.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh! Hon. E. Dav id Burt: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier did not hire him. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier did not hire him. Hon. E. David Burt: He did not know.
The Speaker The Speaker He did not get hired. Hon. E. David Burt: The political Government is not responsible for hiring a public officer.
The Speaker The Speaker He did not hire him. He does not hire people.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Yes. That is correct. Hon. E. David Burt: Let’s move on now.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am sure you helped with the situation. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker No, no. I t is all up to the civil service. The civil service — 1154 13 March 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The civil service does the hiring. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is completely clear what is stated inside of P ublic Service Commission regulations, read the C onstitution over and everything else , that anyone who lobbies or goes to a member of the Legislature …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under the leadership of the PLP, the civil servant that I know of (is a very close friend of mine) joined while the PLP are Government. He was heading up to the west and on business for Bermuda. And coming the opposite direction was a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Four.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Four [road fatalities] already. And then to listen to the statistics that Minister Weeks was coming up [with]. I am hoping that we can find some way to resolve this iss ue, [to] curb the tide of the speeding on our roads. And I must say, even if you go …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Cannonier. Premier, you have your — Hon. E. David Burt: Twenty minutes, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker I could do less if you like. Hon. E. David Burt: I probably will use all 20.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead now. Hon. E. David Burt: Hopefully not. Hopefully we will make it home before midnight. But I know you have to travel a bit further than the rest of us. Mr. Speaker, I rise to my feet today in motion to adjourn. I am grateful for your dispensation …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. E. David Burt: We provide those opportunities. And there are many young persons who are taking advantage of that opportunity, something that this Government funded, which was not previously funded. We made sure we put that in place because it is part of our ethos to ens ure …
The Speaker The Speaker Simons. Hon. E. David Burt: “—Cole Simons noted that in 2019 the Government unveiled i ts relationship with Signature Bank as a banking service solution for Bermuda’s fintech companies’ and asked ‘now that this banking option is off the table, what ’s next for Bermuda’s emerging digital asset and cryptocurrency …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you Premier. T hank you, Members, for your participation today and throughout this budget session. As the Premier said, we will be back here not this Friday but the following Friday to wrap up business for this session. Before we close tonight, I would just like to remind Members …
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