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February 24, 2023

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The government announced several new initiatives including distributing 150,000 free LED bulbs to help families reduce electricity costs, with priority given to seniors and low-income households. JetBlue will provide year-round service between Boston and Bermuda starting November 2023, which is important for both tourism and Bermudians accessing medical services. The government also awarded a contract for 265 new high-resolution CCTV cameras across the island to replace the current system where half the cameras don't work. During Question Period, tensions arose when the Premier cited parliamentary rules to avoid giving detailed answers about the delayed Fairmont Southampton project, frustrating Opposition members.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Feb 24, 2023
Session 2022/2023
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Speakers 29
Speeches 584

Key Topics

Government LED light bulb program to help residents save on electricity billsNew winter flight service from Boston to Bermuda announced by JetBlueIsland-wide CCTV camera system upgrade to improve crime fightingOpposition questions about Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment delaysOpposition's formal Budget Reply presentation by Leader Cole Simons

Bills & Motions

Motion to approve the 2023/24 Budget Estimates was moved by the Premier (formal debate to continue)
No other bills were introduced or voted on during this sitting

Notable Moments

Opposition Leader accused the Premier of refusing to answer questions, leading to a heated exchange about parliamentary procedures
Transport Minister's enthusiastic commitment to air service development, listing it as his top three priorities
Opposition began their formal Budget Reply, criticizing the government's financial management and calling for stronger leadership

Debate Transcript

584 speeches from 29 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Madam Clerk will lead us in prayer. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Shernette Wolffe , Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Clerk . Members, the House is now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 17 February 2023]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of the 17 th of February [2023] have been circulated. Are there any amendments required? There are none. They will be confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 17 February 2023 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLO GY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, we have received notific ation this morning that MP Wayne Caines will be a bsent today. Secondly, there was a comment that I was going to make regarding Standing Order 19(11)(h), which I will defer until later in the proceedings. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are no ne. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker This morning we have thr ee Stat ements. The first is in the name of the Deputy Premier and Minister of Home Affairs. Minister, would you like to put your Statement this morning? LED STIMULUS PACKAGE Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning, Mr. Speaker , and good morning to Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Transport. Minister , would like you like to present your Statement at this time? AIR SERVICE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you and good mor ning to our listening audience. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Mr. Weeks, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. CCTV UPDATE Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide this H onourable house with an update on the Island- wide CCTV improvement project . Mr. Speaker, you will recall that in the 2021 Speech from the Throne this Government committed to advance a new …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, this brings us to the end of the Statements for this morning. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. 360 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Members, we are now into the Question Period. Before we get to questions that may have arisen from the S tatements this morning, we have two sets of written questions this morning from Members to Ministers. The first this morning is from the Opposition Leader to the Prem ier. Opposition …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier . Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr . Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I previously indicated publi cly, the part ies continue to work on the various agre ements that underpin this $430 million transaction, which are considerable and detailed, as one would expect. It would be imprudent …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, Mr. Speaker, if I heard the Premier correctly, at this point there is no final agreement, the agreement is not ready for execution at this point. So can the Premier just reconfirm that the final agreement between the Government and Fai rmont …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, that would not be correct. There is a . . . we had some terms that were signed. It was done. We are working through the closing d ocumentation. Again , as I have reminded, there are multiple parties in this transaction—t wo …
The Speaker The Speaker Second supp? Yes? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: When does the Premier envision the closing date for these agreements?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Is the Honourable Member as king question 3 at this time?
The Speaker The Speaker It is a supplementary that he asked. Opposition Leader, what the Premier has pointed out is that this is your question 3. So if you hold off —
Mr. Jarion Richardson Supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Whip, you have a suppl ementary?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes. When does the Premier anticipate the closing documents being executed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker In the context of question number 3, the written question, that is the same question. That answer will come when we get to question 3. Would you like to put que stion 2 now, Honourable Member? QUESTION 2: FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON NEW CONCESSIONS Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Will the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are none.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Okay. Would you like get to your thir d question? Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 3: FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON CONTRACT COMPLETION AND EXECUTION Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Will the Honourable Premier and Finance Minister please confirm a date by which all of the hotel redevelopment agreements associated with Fairmont …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The two critical timelines which all are working toward are the commencement of construction in the second quarter of this year, and opening of the hotel in 2024. As I indicated in my previous answer, the parties continue to work on …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So at this point, if I heard the Premier correctly, I would like for the Premier to confirm that he does not have a date by which the final closings will occur?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I refer the Honourable Member to my previous answer. The Speake r: Second supp? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Members, this brings us to the close of the written questions that were submitted by the Oppos ition Leader. We have a second set of written questions that were submitted by MP Jackson to the Premier/Minister of Finance. MP Jackson, would you like to put your questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, and good mor ning, Mr. Speaker. QUESTION 1: CONSOLIDATED FUND ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLES DUE MARCH 2019 –DECEMBER 2022
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Will the Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance confirm to this Honourable House the value of the total accounts receivables due to the Bermuda Government’s Consolidated Fund as at March 31, 2019; March 31, 2020; March 31, 2021; and December 31, 2022?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question is a strange one certainly, as there seems to be a particular fiscal year miss. And given that the fiscal year [ending] December 31, 2022, is not yet com plete—it does not complete until the end of …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I have a supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, Mr. Speaker, can the Premier c onfirm that he has had audited reports for the year ending March 2019, March 2020 and March 2021?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, it is funny because we are in the general economic debate. And the Shadow Minister of Finance is aski ng whether or not we had the audited financial statements, and he is about to reply to a Budget Statement that tabled the audited …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Second supp? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. As there are audited financial statements, I am certain that the Auditor General would have asked that accounts receivables be listed in each of the f inancial years. So I find it interesting that the Premier cannot provide the balances …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will refer the Ho nourable Leader of the Opposition to Standing Or der 17[(5)](g)(ix). And my response to the question was that the answers which he seeks are in the public domain. And if you go on the website that is on …
The Speaker The Speaker If the answer has already been circ ulated publicly . The Standing Order does refer to the fact that if the information can be obtained from a public source that has already been released, it does not necessarily . . . it does not require an answer here in Parliament …
The Speaker The Speaker You asked your two supplementaries. The Member behind you is the substantive person for these questions. MP J ackson, did you have any further supplementary on this question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to do your second question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, please.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. QUESTION 2: CONSOLIDATED FUND ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLES DUE MARCH 2019 –DECEMBER 2022
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Will the Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance please provide an aged receivable schedule for the years in question?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the fiscal years March 31, 2019, and March 31, 2020, those matters are in the public domain, as the Honourable Opposition asked those questions just a year ago. And those matters were provided. For fiscal year March 31, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. MP [Jackson], the Premier has indicated parts are already in the public domain. The others that are not produced, he will have readily available. They will be made available to you when they are. Are you okay with that?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to do your third question? QUESTION 3: CONSOLIDATED FUND ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLES DUE MARCH 2019 –DECEMBER 2022
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, please. Will the Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance please confirm the number and value of r eceivables written off the g overnment’s books and the number and value taken to our courts for recovery?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there have been no write- offs for the Government of Bermuda. And from the Ministry of Finance, insofar as referrals to the Debt Enforcement Unit in the Attorney General’s Chambers, there have been . . . the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Premier and Minister of Finance is whether he can provide any kind of update on debt collection. At one point there was an agency, and I am just curious whether anything is in place now. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister confirm how much was actually recovered by Oarrs Inc? They were a collection agency used by the Ministry of F inance.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will happily refer the Honourable Member to the Standing Order which states that if there is a follow -up answer that is asking for specific information that was not part of the question, the Honourable Member should place that question in writing. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, this is a supplemental question on recoveries. So that — [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker It speaks to the substantive question. However, the information is not information that he has readily at hand. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. But the Standing Orders refer to that. The Standing Order says that if it is not par t of the original context of the question, it means I wouldn’t have brought the information with me because it wasn’t in the gist of the original question. I don’t have it …
The Speaker The Speaker And then the Standing Order also goes on to say that if you would like to get that information you can give a formal question for another sitting when the information can be provided. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. Well, [the Honour able Premier] has made a commitment that …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I am not sure if he actually made that commitment the second time around. He directed you to the Standing Orders, which directed you to be able to do a substantive question if you wa nted the answer. Now let me clarify that because I did not hear, unless …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. That is the Standing Order I was speaking to, Mr. Premier. That was the Standing O rder. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Your Standing Order is fine. You are within the constraints of the Standing Order.
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Given the Premier’s refusal to answer any of the Opposition’s questions this morning, is he hones tly expecting—
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member —
Mr. Scott Pearman —the Bermudian public to believe that he believes in bipartisanship and w orking with the Opposition?
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member, Member, Member! I would not use that terminology in that the position that the Premier took is within the guidelines of the Stand-ing Orders. Providing he is within the guidelines of the Standing Orders, he has the right to exercise that. 364 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report …
Mr. Scott Pearman Second supplementary . . . sorry. The Clerk: Because we are just trying to follow, because we have updated it. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. E. David Burt: It is Standing Order 17(9)(a)(vi).
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I ask that the Ho nourable Member be asked to withdraw his statement where he said that I refused to answer questions. I have provided answers to all six questions that have been asked by the Opposition in …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. That is what I was pointing out to you, Member, that —
Mr. Scott Pearman I am happy to put the question in a different way in my second supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman Does the Honourable Premier — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Just—
Mr. Scott Pearman No. You have dir ected me. I have noted.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Go on. Thank you. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman Does the Premier believe that the sharing of information with the Opposition helps us to find solutions for the problems of Bermuda? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I sat in Opposition longer than the Honourable Member. And so I certai nly understand. And one of the things I can …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Ms. Jackson, do you have a supplementary?
Ms. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, I have a second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Put your second question. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I am wondering whether the Premier and Mi nister of Finance might be able to give any indication of whether any data are being analysed or collected around the reasons for the high level of taxes or a ccounts receivables that has not been collected? If people are …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am not entirely certain what I am trying to answer, but I will refer the Honourable Member again to the Budget Statement which was given in this House last week, which I am sure we will be debating this week. And one …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. I believ e that brings us to a close. Ms. Jackson, you have had your two suppl ementaries. Unless someone else had a supplementary? There are none. Thank you, Members. We will now move on to questions on the Statements that were given this morning. The first S …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is just a quick question. But I am just wondering whether the Gover nment will provide any information on the best way to install the LED lights so that they’re getting the max imum effect. And just to give an example, maybe just gi ving …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walt er H. Roban: We will give energy tips to the members of the public around these, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? No supplementary. Would you like to put a second question? [No audible response]
The Speaker The Speaker Fine. Okay. Thank you. Minister, that is the only Member who indicated that they had questions for you. We will now move on to the next Statement. The next Statement is in the name of Minister of Transport. MP Jackson would also like to put a question to you in …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I would like to just thank JetBlue and all me mbers who have worked hard to make that direct flight between Bermuda and Bos ton reactivated. It is much appreciated, and the community does recognise the work that has gone into that.
Some Honourable Members Some Honourable Members Definitely! Hear, hear!
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So thank you. The question that I have for the Minister of Transport is I am just wondering whether the BTA [Bermuda Tourism Authority], the hotels and other stakeholders will now work to make sure that there is a collaborative effort so that everyone is working in unison as far …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, yes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He answered.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker It was so quick I missed it. I am sorry. 366 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No supplementary. I have a second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question, yes. QUESTION 2: AIR SERVICE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, I would just like to ask the Minister whether there will be any sort of regular and ongoing con versations, especially with the delicate Boston– Bermuda flight in mind, but whether there will be regular and ongoing meetings for feedback from JetBlue to make sure that we are …
The Speaker The Speaker If you could try to be more precise with your questions so we can get a clearer response or a direct response, it may be more helpful. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The answer is yes, and even more.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Supplementary? No supplementary. Third question, yes. QUESTION 3: AIR SERVICE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Transport whether there were any minimum revenue guarantees [MRGs] that were attached to any of the flight announcements that he has announced today.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, we do not r eveal if BAA (the Bermuda Airport Authority) gives MRGs as we are quite familiar that is how it works, or how much if they do. All these contracts go through the BAA, the Bermuda Airport Authority.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, to the Honourable Minister: Have there been any discussions with Delta in regard to return of daily service from A tlanta and New York? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Supp? Second supp? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am trying to get a little bit more of a yes so I can ask another question. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: To the Honourable Mini ster: Ca n the Honourable Minister provide more detail if the talks so far have …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. All right. Any further questions to the Minister of Transport? None? Minister, this brings to a conclusion questions for you this morning. We now move on to the next Statement, which is in the name of the Minister of National Sec urity. And, Minister, you have two Members who …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just have one question. Will these cameras have the capability to monitor speed at all?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. [Laughter] SUPPLEMENTARIES
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am just thinking through my supplementary question. Bermuda House of Assembly Given that these cameras may be able to monitor speed, I am just curious whether the Minister will be taking into consideration some of the intricacies of Berm uda roads and how speed can be monitored efficiently.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or a second question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I had better ask a suppl ementary on that one. [Laughter]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So then if the camera is monitoring speed and it happens to be in an area that is an open stretch and a car wants to pass a horse and carriage, will the speed monitors be able to ident ify that this was actually not speeding b ut just passing …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker You have questions. I forgot that. Y ou have indicated you had a question. Would you like to put your first question? QUESTION 1: CCTV UPDATE Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. I am trying to change the line and length. But, Mr. Speaker, it is good to see that speed …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Speaker, the current system will all be replaced with 265 new CCTV cameras.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Further questions? No. Well, Members, this brings us to a close of Question Period this morning. We will now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member wish to make a contribution at this point? [Pause] [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker If there are no Members who wish to make a contribution under Congratulatory and/or Obituary Speeches, we will move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker None. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker None. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker None. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. 368 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Order of the Day is the business why I think we have all gathered here this morning, and the country is listening in. Last week we had the presentation of the Budget for this coming year. And today it is the Opposition’s Reply to the Budget Statement. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? None. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the kicking off of today’s general economic debate, which is an annual tradition in this House, I sincerely hope that the conversations will be measured and productive. There are serious …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, I wo uld like to also begin just by making a brief operational comment.
The Speaker The Speaker While you are making that brief intr oduction, I will remind the Sergeant -at-Arms to distri bute all of the [Reply] booklets for Members. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And, Mr. Speak er, we have also given electronic copies for the public to follow on this parliamentary website, thanks to …
The Speaker The Speaker Let me address the point of order. Let me address the point of order. Normally, we do allow the Budget Statements to be read without the interruption. And it is not customary that we deal with an interruption during this time. I am just going to ask you, Member, to …
Mr. Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons opposition leader For the average workingclass person and even Members of this Honourable House, they have not seen or enjoyed the same accumulation of wealth during the past 10 years. Mr. Speaker, as you know, our small popul ation of under 65,000 people are burdened with a debt of $3.142 billion and …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Opposition Leader, before you start, this ma y be a good point to take that recess. I am looking to see that there are still quite a few more pages to be read and we will have a long day ahead of us. So, I am going to suggest …
The Speaker The Speaker Two. Hon. Kathy Lynn Sim mons: —until 2:00 pm.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, we now stand adjourned until 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2: 05 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. We are back for the afternoon session, and the Reply to the Budget Statement is still being delivered by the Opposition Leader. We will proceed where he left off, which I think was the Banking Reform. Members, we are now back in session. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Opposition Leader, you have the floor. 382 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly THE OPPOSITION’S REPLY TO THE BUDGET STATEMENT 2023/24 [Continuation thereof] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. BANKING REFORM Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, banking r eform i …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader, before I dismiss you off of this one, how’s that? Before you take your seat, earl ier in your presentation, I think on page 3, there was a concern raised by a comment that you had made. You and I spoke about it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, the reason I asked him to withdraw it and restate it is because we are all human. I had missed it when he made the comment, and I acknow lBermuda House of Assembly edged that I missed it, and I spoke with him during the break. He …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, you can start. The clock will be on for you. DEBATE ON THE BUDGET STATEMENT AND REPLY TO THE BUDGET Hon. Jason Hayward: Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Hon. Jason Hayward: I also want to say good afternoon to Madam President, who is in the Chamber as well. Mr. Speaker, at the end of the last session you encouraged us to be statesmen in our approach. You discouraged us from descending into levels that were beneath …
The Speaker The Speaker I would not say that . . . it is the Speaker’s opinion to make that judgment. You can declare that you are uncomfortable with it, but it is the Speaker’s opin ion to make it. Continue on. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, the public had to painfully listen to …
The Speaker The Speaker All Members . . . all Members. Don’t everybody else start in. Thank you. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I will do so, Mr. Speaker. In the February 2022/23 Budget the Gover nment promised to provide relief now and more relief to come. We reduced taxes for those making …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, don’t drown out the speaker. I need to hear what he says. Keep it coming. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: —the situation is so critical as it pertains to us working collectively together. I reached out so that they are not left out of the equation. They feel as though they are important stak eholders in this economy, so I recognised them because of the way …
Mr. Speaker. Some Hon. Members Mr. Speaker. Some Hon. Members Yes! [Desk thumping] Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, you do not get one, one, one, one [with] a contracting economy. How do you raise one, one, one, one if our economy is contracting? We achieved it while we cut taxes. Mr. Speaker, they may not want to accept it, but …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any Member? Don’t all race for it. Oh, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, to you. You have your 30 minutes.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to not sit and fight against numbers, but to bring the voice of the people to the House of Assembly. I have received a number of calls, people stopping me on the street and so I feel compelled to deliver the message that …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And now you . . . clearly, on the other side, and any noise that I am hearing is either people who just write the cheque and do not even think twice about it or they do not have children. Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections ]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson But I have . . . I can stand here as a single mother who has had to dress their children, and this is getting astronomically expensive for the families who are trying to raise their children and keep up w ith the standards that the school is d emanding …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Anthony Richardson I think th e Member is, I would say, unintentionally misleading everyone in terms of her explanation or intimation of payroll tax. It is incorrect in terms of the Budget Book. It clearly shows that anyone who earns less than $132,000 will actually save. So the idea t hat someone …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, be mindful of that as you continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I will heed to the accountant in that. But it does not change the perception and it does not change the fact that people are finding that no matter how much they have it is not enough an y-more. And it is not enough because the cost of ever …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, the International Business sector, which is our largest economy, did not abate during the pandemi c. “Abate” means contract or get reduced. And as a result, the growth is actually real growth and it does not mean that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson May I ask a clarification? Did the Minister just say the International Business growth?
The Speaker The Speaker He said the International Business sector did not rebate [sic] . . . that was the word he used. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Abate. Meaning that it did not shrink durin g that period. So the growth that it is indicating now has grown from where it had been without it decreasing at any time during that.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am going to have to say something, I am sorry. 396 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Go ahead. [Laughter] The Speake r: Go ahead. Go right ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am talking about everybody who is on the ground level here.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-mm.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I do not know how we are going to translate that growth from the Interna-tional Business to the grocery store and the school uniform and what is happening down here, over here on the street, because I thought that the PLP was about what is happening with us right …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Because if we are going to be hanging out with International Business, then I think the PLP Government may be losing touch and it is starting to sound like a whole lot like an old song that we used to sing around the United Bermuda Way. So, I can see …
The Speaker The Speaker Keep going.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson We’ll move on.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. [Inaudible interjections ] POINT OF ORDE R [Misleading]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, I do not know . . . I think the speaker is . . . I want to say misi nformed or unintentionally misleading the House or misleading everybody.
The Speaker The Speaker Make your point. Make your point.
Mr. Anthony Ri chardson The point is that the local economy consists of International Business and local businesses, and the PLP Government at this stage are responsible for the entire economy. And to try to say that we should not be dealing with the Interna-tional Busin ess, absolutely makes no sense. Thank you, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker I think she was taking a different approach. But go ahead and make your point, MP.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson My point, Mr. Speaker, is that it sounds to me like the Progressive Labour P arty is touting a lot of their credit based on the growth of I nternational Business versus the growth or the welfare of the people of Bermuda. I am going to leave it right there, …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: This Honourable Member is certainly misleading this House and the people of this country. To indicate that the sm all businesses are the only ones paying taxes in this country is a no- no. It is a …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member She did not say that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, she did. [Crosstalk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Just clarify your point s o that everybody follows what you said.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I will go back to the first time I said it. The people in Bermuda are carrying the burden of the taxes in Bermuda. International Bus iBermuda House of Assembly ness is paying a whole lot less in percentage than what the man on the street is having to …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And maybe that is the way it should be. I mean, I don’t know, International Bus iness, they are here. They pay a price tag to be here— clap their han ds, la, la, head to the beach, off they go. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson But the people here in Bermuda are the ones who are responsible for paying taxes in order to support what our public services should be providing to the people of Bermuda. [Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson That seems fair to me, but it is an undue burden that is being placed on the people in Bermuda and we cannot afford it. Hon. Jason Hayward: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Make your point. Hon. Jason Hayward: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jason Hayward: The Member is misleading the House. That is the fact. Business taxes for the majority of small bus inesses in this country have been reduc ed in this year’s …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, just be mindful of the statistics he just pointed out.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will leave it alone. But they also have— [Laughter]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —the shipping duties, they also have the foreign currency . . . the FCPT [Foreign Currency P urchase Tax]. They have plenty of other customs duties that . . . the whole enchilada that they have to pay in addition to the taxes that the Member just mentioned. And, Mr. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So I am putting it out there. I want it in the Hansard. [Inaudible interjections ]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I would also like to know . . . I want all the taxi drivers to hear all the chirping that is coming from the other side from the PLP Government because those people who drive taxis have to put up with a lot and they are not necessarily appreciated …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —regulation around rates and fares. And I want to put it out there that if we are going to talk about minimum wage, that everybody should be considered, including the taxi industry. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, we have not seen much stimulati on. We have not seen much action. Bermudians are leaving the Island in droves. In droves! Mr. Speaker, they cannot afford the health insurance. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson They cannot afford the land taxes. And they cannot bear the c ost of everything else that has risen beyond their ability to pay. And we are talking about people who have been here, who have worked hard, who are driving buses, who are teaching our children, who are providing …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —the first thing that people say that comes out of their mouths, to the point where I had to go back into that Budget Statement and look at it one more time, is that the PLP Government, and [correct] me if I am wrong, has written on the paper that …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson But there is no way a Bermudian is going to be able to readily afford any part of that. And that they are going to do the exact same thing that they have touted and criticised —
Mr. Anthony Richardson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, the Premier has already in his capacity as Minister of Finance talked about the rates, and so the comments in terms of nobody being able to afford [ to live ] at Morgan’s Point is actually totally inaccurate.
The Speaker The Speaker The Member is making her present ation, her viewpoint. Go ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Well, you know what, I am going to base it . . . and, again, I am not in the co nstruction industry — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank God for that.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —but I just saw on the front page of the newspaper just a few weeks ago the fact that it is going to be exorbitant to find some of the supplies to build in Bermuda over the coming months and years. And yes, I und erstand that the Minister of …
The Speaker The Speaker Members.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —giving some effort and gi ving some thought to how we can build up some exis ting communities within our Island already? So, plac es like Somerset, Flatts, St. George’s, why aren’t we putting any of the effort into establishing and building—
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member She only has 14 seconds.
The Speaker The Speaker She has only got 13 [seconds] lef t. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous The Bermuda Housing Corporation is building 77 units all around the Island.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Member has got —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. And I am also aware of 300 people waiting for housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Timer chimes]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member wish to make a contrib ution? MP Anthony Richardson, you have the floor. You have yo ur 30 minutes. [Crosstalk] Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Good afternoon.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Oh, sorry. Today, Mr. Speaker, I am going to stand as a proud person who grew up in St. George’s. When the Budget was actually proposed, or stated, it caused me to go back i n my mind and think about the fact that in St. George’s, right, we have …
Mr. Anthony Richar dson I won’t go too far but there was Ring Eye, just to name a few. I could also add some younger ones: Squalor, Apples, Chick . But, Mr. Speaker, my reference for today is a gentleman r eferred to as “ They Say .” [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Ri chardson They Say. Sometimes he went by the name of Mr. Albari Ass alaam . His actual name though was Mr. [Kingsley] Francis, the father of former MP — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Albari. They say.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes, Albari. —Ms. Patrice Minors . And so today, Mr. Speaker, I am going to go through what I call “they say.” So, they say, Mr. Speaker, that a balanced budget should be easy to do. And guess what, Mr. Speaker, they are right. A balanced budget can be done …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Your microphone.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Sorry. —is actually not correct. And you can go back and look at 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 and all the way through. And so I do not know what happens in terms of correcting the public record in these instances, Mr. Speaker. And I will tread …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have the opportunity while you are on the floor to express your view. That was an expression that he used to interpret his viewpoint. Now present your viewpoint. That is how you correct it, Member.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, one of my colleagues always says that we are entitled to our opinions but we are not entitled to our own facts. The facts must be the facts and this document, in some respects, is factually incorrect. It is not my opinion; it is factually incorrect. So I …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —Mr. Speaker, —
The Speaker The Speaker —Just . . . just one minute, —
Mr. Anthony Richardson —I will move, Mr. Speaker— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker —just one minute, because you did draw me into this. You drew me into this in the fact that I did have a correction done to the earlier stat ement. The earlier statement — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker —I had corrected because I thought it crossed t he line of more than just an opinion. And I thought it needed to be cleaned up. So, when I said he corrected it with what he intended to say, I meant what he actually had done was that he presented …
The Speaker The Speaker You know when the Speaker is talking, everybody stays in their seats, right? Okay. So I was clarifying that point for you. The second part, you [have] the ability to clean it up while you are on your feet and speak to the fact that you are not in that …
The Speaker The Speaker That high role or high life . . . I am using my word for the moment. So you can clean that up.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I will continue on. They say, and they said, the speaker before me said that in a strange way, the PLP supporters have been speaking to an OBA MP. I am not quite sure what that context was. But, Mr. Speaker, I will say this. In terms of . . …
Mr. Anthony Richardson No, it was in St. George’s. It wasn’t . . . there was no financial interest, that’s for sure. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Anthony Richardson No, it’s not. Listen to what I am telling you.
The Speaker The Speaker I’m listening.
Mr. Anthony Richardson My point, Mr. Speaker —
Mr. Anthony Richardson —is to see the lines of taxis, minibuses, and limousines that were involved in that process. And from that, of course, Mr. Speaker, what translates is that they are all earning as a consequence of the businesses being busy. And certai nly, Mr. Speaker, the PLP are creating the environment …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Anthony Richar dson And so, Mr. Speaker, I will declare my interest because obviously . . . not obv iously, but I am at the airport. Sometimes we do forget this reality. And the reality is, Mr. Speaker, that some persons come to Bermuda for business reasons. They will ha ve their family …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. 402 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Mislea ding]
Mr. Scott Pearman The debt was not doubled by the OBA. When it was $1.5 billion . . . it is in the Budget Book if anyone wants to look at it —I think it is page C - 29—feel free. That’s the facts. It was not. It was $1.5 billion by the …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes . . .
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Honourable Member Scott Pearman is misleading the House. When the OBA came in, it was $1.4 billion. When the OBA left, it was $2.515 billion. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, I do conti nue.
Mr. Sco tt Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I am going to put this to rest. It is C -29 of the Budget Book and the gross debt outstanding when the OBA came into office was $1.574 billion. End of st ory. [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman It is your Budget Book. [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member. The other piece that is missing in that, there is a beginning date and an end date. And you only gave the beginning date. That’s what people were asking. The beginning month and the end month. And they are only asking for both months. That’s all. — Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker But— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —but one and a half and one and a half is three when I went to school.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Richardson, Mr. Richardson, co ntinue on.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m don’t think we are able to get our time back so I will continue, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Anthon y Richardson Mr. Speaker, in terms of the Sinking Fund also, what is interesting . . . and this is for the general public to understand in that —
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Ah— [ Inaudible interjections and general uproar] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No! [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Let’s let him move on. I am sure—
Mr. Scott Pearman Any MP who says we double the debt is lying.
The Speaker The Speaker I am sure, Mr. Pearman— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, that needs to be wit hdrawn. [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Throw me out if you want.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Pearman, Mr. Pearman— [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Pearman, Mr. Pearman, I would suggest you watch the tone of your language there. We are still early in this day and I am sure when you get on your feet this afternoon or this evening you are clever enough . . . you are clever enough to be …
Mr. Richardson. Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, I guess it’s polite, but if I chose to say that Members are lying I would imagine that is unparliamentary language and it should be withdrawn. And I would ask that you consider that, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I did . . . I advised the Member to not let himself get hot -headed here. The point is, yes, it is unparliamentary; and I would ask you to withdraw it. In my comments . . . I just overlooked it. I was trying to tone you down and …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Any MP who suggests that the OBA doubled the debt is clearly speaking nonsense and contrary to what is printed on page C -29— [General uproar]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait!
Mr. Scott Pearman —of the Budget Book, I will wit hdraw the word “liars.”
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And whatever debate you want to create around your view you can do it when you get on your feet. Allow others to create their de-bate while they have the floor.
Mr. Richardson. Mr. Anthony Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member who spoke before me has now returned so that is a good thing. Mr. Speaker, the other big point is that the Government, as the Minister said, is in fact going to introduce or make it effective in June the minimum wage. And Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I spoke about the debt, Mr. Speaker. They say, again, that the debt is never r e-paid or never reduced. But, Mr. Speaker, the Budget spoke about the fact that this year there is a $50 mi llion note that is due that will be repaid which will represent a …
The Speaker The Speaker Three minutes.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I fail sometimes to understand the coherence of the documents that sometimes are offered in this Chamber. And I say that politely, Mr. Speaker, because as I said ear lier, there are some factual errors in the document and I do not know how they will be corrected. But what …
The Speaker The Speaker Not interruptions, interjections. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Interjections, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But you did have to interrupt some people who did not want to be interrupted. That was where I was going. But, Mr. Speaker, I a ppreciate your interjection in that and you know, obv iously, I think from time to time we all get …
The Speaker The Speaker Probably more than a couple of times. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, Mr. Speaker, let’s not exaggerate here. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But I am going to leave that alone because I don’t think I have an hour tonight, which I could gradually use. But Mr. Speaker, the reason …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I agree with that . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I hear Honourable Members on the other side say they agree with me. Look, I want Bermuda to succeed then our job in the Opposition is easier. We can come up here and sing Kumbaya, Mr. Speaker, but we are …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I didn’t either. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It wasn’t sent to me. And he is shaking his head. But I am not going to go there. I do not want to get into this debate back and forth about the econ-omy. Because here is what I will say, Mr. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Mm-mm. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: If they weren’t struggling, they would not be complaining about the cost of living in Bermuda! Everyone in this Chamber, and I am getting passionate because it hurts all of us, right. They are our constituents. [Inaudible interjec tion] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They are …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is true. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, it is not. Because the debt when the OBA came into power was $1.57 bi llion. If you double that, what is the debt? It is $3.12 billion. When the OBA left, it was $2.483 billion . If you want to go …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And we cannot keep kic king the can down the road, Mr. Speaker. Right? So while the Honourable Premier says next year we are going to start to deal with it, we have heard that before from a Finance Minister who was well -respected. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to make a . . . oh. Minister Furbert, you have your 30 minutes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me take my hat off to the Premier and the Minist er of Finance. If anyone understands …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Twenty -three. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am doing approximately right now.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s your problem. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And then $17 [million] to $20 million in the loss from the Soviet aircraft registry. So, we lost a way of raising revenue through the travel authorisation, and we have lost a means of getting funds from Bermuda civil aviation, which …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How much? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am glad you asked. Some Hon. Member s: We did not ask . . . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, they did, Mr. Speaker. Becaus e they would not tell —because they told us a number, so they must now be trying to …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman The number $314 million comes from the Premier’s Budget [Statement]. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And I understand that the Honourable Member is a lawyer and does not understand numbers. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So the question comes down to . . . no, it is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Whose desk was it? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It was under your Admi nistration. That is the point I am trying to say, Mr. Speaker. It was under their Administration that they — [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Because you are blaming us for the accounts receivable. So we …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I was trying to help the Honourable Member out. It is one thing to talk generally about acc ounts receivable, which is a good political debate. And the Honourable Minister was doing a reasonable job of …
The Speaker The Speaker The point that he was trying to make— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I take his point.
The Speaker The Speaker The point that he was trying to stress was that it was not a politician’s drawer. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is right. I accept that.
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But the Government has a responsibility to try to put some type of controls in place. Talking to the Accountant General, talking to the Auditor General, talking to the Tax Commissioner of how you can put controls in place to make sure things are run …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So when we got there, Mr. Speaker, we made those things happen. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Is it perfect right now, Mr. Speaker? No, it is not. No, it is not. [Crossta lk and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I just want to make it clear, particularly when it comes to the accounts receivable part. Now, let us talk about the Honourable Member, Mr. Pearman, was j umping up and talking about debt. And I am going there. Because …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —the debt as of March 2012 was $1.2 billion as of March— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: You can do your own r esearch. It was $1.2 billion. If you go look at the Consolidated Fund under Bermuda Government Consol idated Fund f or …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair, speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: When you took over I am talking about.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: When you took over, the financials as of March 31, 2012— I said you look at the financial year —it was $1.2 billion. You know how much it was when you left office? It was $2.4 billion.
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order , Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is not only misleading the House, but I fear he is seeking to bamboozle the general public.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Put your point of order .
Mr. Scott Pearman Now, I am not an accountant, but I am a lawyer.
The Speaker The Speaker He is putting his point across. He is putting his point across.
Mr. Scott Pearman The person who borrows the money is the person responsible for accruing the debt. 414 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly We do not just say, Oh, well, we look at the year -end. And, hey, you know what? Not every government changes on the 31st …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. I think what the Member was trying to do was trying to present the case of numbers that he saw as the numbers at the time because I think he presented those numbers earlier. And you will be able to present your numbers when you rise to your feet. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Million.
The Speaker The Speaker [It was] $859 million. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, $859 million increase, a 34 per cent increase over that period. And you know why, Mr. Speaker? Because we had to go out and borrow money for Morgan’s Point. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We had to borrow money for payroll! Hon. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Taking care of the people, probably some other adjustments in employee tax. Mr. Speaker, it does not make sense. And I thought that Cole, when he sat under my tutelage, he had learned something. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable Member. The Honourable Member. The Honourable Member, Opposition Leader. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Opposition Leader. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is a joke there. He would have learned something, particularly under the Honourable Member Michael Dunkley. Mr. Speaker, it does not add …
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Just talk to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will not say it.
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, Lord. Mr. Speaker, I am proud. I am sure that the country . . . yes, and we understand there are difficult times for individuals. Some people around here have difficult times. I have difficult times. We all have …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. 416 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? Going once, going twice! MP Pearman, you have your 30 minutes.
Mr. Scott Pearman Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. I got a little hot under the collar earlier. So let me dial it down and mark your guidance that we should behave in a more statesmanlike fashion.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Please do.
Mr. Scott Pearman So I am going to try not to get myself thrown out. I have only been here four years. I have never been thrown out, you know.
The Speaker The Speaker There is always a first time.
Mr. Scott Pearman There is always a first time. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman Dinner served soon, yeah? Mr. Speaker, I am going to try and stick to the facts. And I am going to also, with your leave, Mr. Speaker, try to quote quite liberally from things that have been said, with direct quotes, and tie them t ogether. I would like to …
The Speaker The Speaker I am just going to pause you for a m inute. Deputy. Deputy.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Mr. Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. Scott Pearman And good evening, Mr. Acting Speaker. Times a re tough. ( He will throw me out.) [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman Times are tough. And do not take my words for it, Mr. Acting Speaker . Let me quote if I may, with your leave, the words of Premier David Burt.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker “Mr. Deputy Speaker,” if you prefer.
Mr. Scott Pearman I will go with whatever you want.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Fine. Whatever.
Mr. Scott Pearman Page 9, with your leave. These are the words of the Premier: “This economic recovery isn’t touching all of our residents and many fee l they are going backwards.” Those are his words, and they are right. And Bermudians who feel that they are go-ing backwards are right to feel …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What paragraph?
Mr. Scott Pearman Page 4, fourth paragraph down. Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Yes.
Mr. Scott Pearman Quote: “ Inflation is downward trending and tourism is on a trajectory to reach prepandemic levels. ” Now, those are the Premier’s words. But again I ask, Do you believe that stat ement? If you look around today, is inflation downward trending, given th at we both agree and he …
Mr. Scott Pearman And he says this — An Hon . Member: What page is that?
Mr. Scott Pearman Page 16, for those listening, for MP De Silva.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What paragraph? What par agraph?
Mr. Scott Pearman Paragraph 4.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman And I quote, “ American Airl ines’ service from Charlotte and British Airways’ London Heathrow gateway were bright spots in 2022 . . .” Well, that may well be true, Mr. Deputy Speaker. But again there is an air of unreality there. We can talk about the only two airlines …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member But they are! They are!
Mr. Scott Pearman Turning now . . . There i s an air of unreality there because the other planes are not flying. That is reality. Third quote, if I may, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is page 41 of the Premier’s budget speech. And this one is right at the bottom. This was something …
Mr. Scott Pearman “Lowercase- G” means gover nment as opposed to a particular political party Go vernment. So we heard a lot of numbers earlier from the Minister of Economy and Labour. We have heard that this was going up and that was going up and this was going up and that was …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jason Hayward: The two largest sectors within our economy, international business and real estate activity, did not decline during the pandemic. As a r esult, the growth in our two largest sectors is real growth on year -over-year …
Mr. Scott Pearman And I will come to international business. And his point on international business is a valid one. But my point is about his crowing on this number being up and that number being up, as if these are great achievements. Zero to hero is not a great achievement. Mr. Deputy …
Mr. Scott Pearman We hear the quote from the Premier, and this is three paragraphs down where he says this: “Bermuda is a difficult place now to live and thrive; our costs are high, our labour market is tight, and people are nervous about their futures. ” Mr. De puty Speaker, I entirely …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jason Hayward: I believe the colleague is mi sleading the House in terms of their willingness to work together. When I took over the portfolio of Labour, I sent a letter to the Opposition Leader inviting the O pposition …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. POINT OF INFORMATION Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Deputy Speaker, we did not respond because the Government said, If you go one way, the Government will go another. In other words, any recommendations made by the Opposition will be rejected by the Government. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Member Famous? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous That quote was when they were trying to influence who was going to be our leader. If they tell us to go this way, we are going the other way . So let us put it in context.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have heard the reply from the Minister. Will you acknowledge what the Minister said.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Good. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman I do not know of the Minister has my phone number. But if he would like to talk to me, if he would like to meet and discuss immigration reform, I would be delighted. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman And let me also say, because of course people can only hear my voice, they cannot see us here live on screen —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I see you.
Mr. Scott Pearman So they are not aware, Mr. De puty Speaker, that the Honourable Member Wayne Caines is not in the Chamber at this very moment in time. Because of course he had —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order, Mr. Speaker. It was announced that Mr. Wayne Caines would not be available today. So leave it alone.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am not criticising. I am about to praise him! I am about to praise him. He had a bipart isan committee for immigration reform, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman And he did it well. And he chaired it well. And we had previous OBA Members on it. Leah Scott was on it. We had Ben Smith. And it was a great plan.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. But, Honourable Member , Honourable Member, you have heard this present Minister give you the invite to continue. Let us move on.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I am grateful. But let me just . . . where we got off on this tangent was me agreeing with the Premier’s remarks that unles s we get more people here, we are going to pay more tax-es. And why is that? Again forgive me for stating the …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous It was not MP Caines. It was the late Honourable Walton Brown who put that together. 420 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: I stand corrected. I know that [MP] Caines took it over when MP Smith and MP Leah Scott were on …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker But it did come from the Government, the Progressive Labour Party Government.
Mr. Scott Pearman And God rest his soul. And I am grateful for the correction from MP Famous, the clarification, rather, because it is not a correction. I do not think we disagree. So there was a committee. It was bipartisan. MP Famous I believe was on it. It sat for over a …
Mr. Scott Pearman Because you have already got a plan, let’s deliver. Let’s deploy. Let’s not have another committee to sit around and talk. Let’s just get it done! All that happened in relation to that committee’s pr oposal was that one small aspect . . . and properly. One small proper and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member. Honourable Member. Honourable Member.
Mr. Scott Pearman The rest of it is gathering dust on the shelf.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, Honourable Member, Honourable Member, if you got an i nvite and did not go, you do not know —
Mr. Scott Pearman I got no invite. I am sorry.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The party, the Opposition got an invite. And if they did not go, you cann ot speculate what would have happened. They gave you an invite twice. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Scott Pearman I am not going to debate with the Chair.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, you are not.
Mr. Scott Pearman No, I am not. I am not. So I will move on.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman I will wait for the Speaker. Let him throw me out. The Deputy Speaker: Yes. Your only friend. Your only friend. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman Still on things that I am suppor tive of, Mr. Deputy Speak er. Page 35.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Page 35.
Mr. Scott Pearman At page 35, we hear that there will be exemptions on school uniforms imported.
Mr. Scott Pearman We agree. I was actually very surprised to hear that that had been a PLP platform policy for 40 years.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am glad to see it is being i mplemented, and we agree. And I personally, speaking just for me, Scott Pearman, I would go further. Well, let us exempt all children’s clothing, you know. Why not? Why stop at uniforms? Let us give working mot hers and working fathers …
Mr. Scott Pearman And I hope that if and when there is a consideration of comprehensive tax reform on this Island, which ther e must be, and I think both the Premier and the Opposition Leader have called for that consideration, that we do approach it on the basis that we must be …
Mr. Scott Pearman So page 41, yet another thing that I can respectfully agree with. And that is, at the very top of the page in the first paragraph, it says this: Bermuda House of Assembly “This Government will make a more concerted effort towards tax collection through enhanced enforcement of policies and …
Mr. Scott Pearman I agree. I have already made the point that I do not think that $7.5 million is a sufficient target or anywhere close to a sufficient target of what we should be trying to achieve if we have debts owed, taxes owed by Bermudians to the government in the region …
Mr. Scott P earman And anyone who thinks that the Global Minimum Tax is some great solution that is going to solve everything for Bermuda, please do your homework. Do some analysis. It is not necessarily going to be good for us. Now, why do I say that? Because the n umber - one …
Mr. Scott Pearman I know! And I am agreeing with you. I am agreeing with you. And I actually was on page 21. I was just prefacing my remark before, when the Premier says this: “ So, whereas payroll taxes and customs duties are always paid and represent a certain stream of tax …
Mr. Scott Pearman And on the subject of ideas, we do not always agree. Because sometimes you think the solution is A, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and sometimes I think the solution is B . But that does not mean that we cannot be respectful to each other in understanding your position and my …
Mr. Scott Pear man And they have to do the best they can for the benefit of Bermuda and residents collectively. So I agree with that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right.
Mr. Scott Pearman Moving on. Let me just talk about what I think at a high level Bermuda needs. Let us look forward rather than back because too often in this Chamber we look back and we blame each other. Looking to the future, what we need is princ ipled leadership. We need …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive] Hon. Jason Hayward: That one says “we need.” It almost gives the inference that we are not. And that is a very negative characterisation, and it is imputing improper motives on the leader ship of this …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is his opinion. It is a grey area there. Be careful, cousin.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am looking forward. I am not imputing the motive of the particular Minister for the Economy. One would think we would all agree about that statement. I would think he would say, I entirely agree with MP Pearman that we need to have not a whiff of corruption around …
Mr. Scott Pearman We need the inward flow of foreign capital. We need to find inward investment. And very regrettably, if I have to identify one fundamental flaw of this budget, the biggest flaw of this budget is it does not identify where that inward foreign capital is coming from. We need to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have got 23 seconds.
Mr. Scott Pearman We need responsible spending, responsible spending, which requires us all to look at the cost of government. And lastly, wit h the 10 seconds remaining, let me say what we need: We need immigration. We need immigration. We need immigration. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Pearman. Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Hono urable Member, Mr. Adams. [Pause]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You can start, Mr. Adams. Yes. You have the floor.
Mr. Jache Adams Good evening, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will start by saying that has to be the lon gest half -an-hour of my life. [Laughter]
Mr. J ache Adams But still I press on. I am a little disappointed by my colleagues, first by the Honour able Minister Furbert because I had spent some time trying to prove to MP Pearman how the former Government has doubled the debt. And he has quite acc urately described how we got …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker, the last time we had a reoccurring current account deficit was in 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17. Now I wi ll pause and invite any Member of the Opposition to back their Leader and double down on this claim of reoccurring current account deficit. [Inaudible interjection and …
Mr. Jache Adams Exactly. So what we have is a Shadow Finance Mini ster who is either unaware of what a current account deficit is or is deliberately misleading the people. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I then refer to the pr edictable press conference the OBA had shortly after the budget speech. The Opposition …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Re-introduce. 424 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Jache Adams: Re-introduce, you are absolutely right. Re- introduce. However, just three mont hs ago the former Leader of the OBA said, and I quote, “ The One Bermuda Alliance is pleased . . . that the …
Mr. Jache Adams And I quote —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You got to say it again.
Mr. Jache Adams Notice he did not even say, I believe. He said, “The One Bermuda Alliance is pleased . . . that the Government is abolish ing the Travel A uthorisation and associated fee . . .” He said, “It has been a long time coming.” Now believe it or not, my …
Mr. Jache Adams Conveniently. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Opposition Leader then asks in today’s reply, “Why would the Gover nment increase the stamp duties on mortgages, when the government i s also encouraging homeowners to transfer their mortgages to banks which offer gover nment guaranteed mortgages?” It is unbelievable to me that a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, yes. All the time.
Mr. Jache Adams But when given the opportunity to work together, be constructive and submit feedback during the pre- budget consultation phase, the OBA chose to do, say and contribute nothing. Instead, they resorted to the only thing they know how to do, and that is to complain about the PLP. You see, …
Mr. Jache Adams So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to thank the Honourable Member Cole Simons for his time as Opposition Leader. [Laughter]
Mr. Jache Adams I am sure many of his supporters would say that he has served his country well. [Laughter]
Mr. Jache Adams But I am reasonably confident that after listening to today’s Reply, even his staunchest supporters will agree that it is time to move on. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker, hey, any time, eh? Any time. Mr. Deputy Speaker, allow me to move on and say that I support the Premier and congrat ulate him, other Ministers, technical officers and others for their putting together this budget. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is quite often my starting point …
Mr. Jache Adams This Government has never been more confident in FinTech before in history. We are expecting a record increase in cruise arrivals. There is no doubt in my mind that we are heading in the right direction. Now, Mr. Speaker, allow me to shift gears slightly because I would like to …
Mr. Jache Adams I am talking facts. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker, this year we are now projecting to do even better. We are projec ting a $44 million deficit. And as the Premier said, we could have forced the issue and had a balanced budget. But it was ultimately decided that we could not hold off on the …
Mr. Jache Adams We had to invest in more affordable housing.
Mr. Jache Adams We had to refit our fast ferries. We have to purchase a new fleet of electric buses. We have to focus on repaving our roads, Colonel [Burch]. We have to fix the floating dock in Hamilton. There are many other critical infrastructure projects that have gone years with under -investment. …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have met with the stakeholders. We have heard their concerns and suggestions. And that is why we have ensured that no business in Bermuda will pay more in emplo yer payroll taxes than they are currently paying. Our fishermen and farmers will be exempt from payroll …
Mr. Jache Adams Yes, I will close with this.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. Jache Adams I stand by each of my colleagues. I want there to be no confusion. This was a collective effort and something we should all be proud of. Last year we reduced payroll taxes for those earning $96,000 or less, and this year we are reducing taxes again, this time for …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you. [Desk thumping]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any further spea kers? Mr. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Ho nourable Member Jarion Richardson.
Mr. Jarion Richardson I definitely want to congrat ulate all of the speakers before me. It is a very, very fulsome debate. [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. Jarion Richardson I sometimes forget how new I am to politics when I see everyone get so worked up about some stuff. To that end, Mr. Speaker, thank you very much for t his opportunity to speak tonight to contribute to the economic debate for this budget before we go into Committee …
Mr. Jarion Richardson And you just sit there and go, Man, no wonder people stop us in the street and Bermuda House of Assembly the taxi stand and talk to us. I go back to my earlier comment about those guys at the gas station who just said, Politicians talk about the wrong …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nineteen.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Nineteen? The previous speaker from constituency 19 was saying that people are stopping him and the governing party and saying different things. So that is quite fascinating, considering how small the place is, that we are all being stopped, but being told exactly, I guess, what we want to hear? …
Mr. Jarion Richardson He makes stuff up. Thank you. So to that end, thank you. That is my contrib ution on ERP. I want to speak to immigration. It has now been established that our ageing demographics and reducing working population has created a circumstance in our economy, most notably emigration. This problem …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? Minister Furbert. Okay. Minister Tinee Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I told the Premier I wanted to go early but it is getting late, …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Tinee Furbert: I just wanted to speak to the PLP’s Budget Statement because we were in great anticipation and excitement in regard to what this Budget Statement would bring. Because we had done our consultation in the community with the Pre- Budget Report, people were wondering what was …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. Eight and nine. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Eight and nine?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Back then we did. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Eight and nine So they would have had a long, long time in the workplace. But if we also would evaluate what their salaries would have been like back then in a time where there was racial discrimination, in a time where there …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Before we recognise any other Honourable Member, let me just draw everyone’ s attention to Standing Order (19)(14)(3) that once we have passed the seven hours of any debate, the time for speeches is limited to 20 minutes. We have now passed that. We are passed …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Member. Now, I still see no one indicating that they wish to speak. Would any — MP Cannonier, you have your 20 minutes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was giving you an opportunity to go ahead and say what you had to say.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. I appreciate that.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You know, I must confess. I have a terrible cough and it has been causing pro blems the last couple of days. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier There you go. Yes. I want to thank Dr. De Silva for the cough drop. It did make a difference.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. It did make a difference.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And I can attest that whenever he is in the House, whether for good or bad, he will make a difference. That is for sure. I think I want to kind of adjust the tack here. And I know that sometimes when I get on my feet, people are expecting …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Next year. Maybe next year. It has been put off and put off. Maybe next year. That is not an unqualified statement. No, it is not. So, let me . . . let’s give you a little schooling then. All right? So, the Honourable Member . . . and I …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh yes, he speaks well. Li sten. I am giving this gentleman accolades. He spoke extremely well in the House. I will give him that. Yes, he spoke extremely well. But he might want to make sure that he does what he needs to do because that seat is up …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, aw. Just like he spoke about our leader. Aw. Aw. Yeah. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Cra ig Cannonier It is important, Mr. Speaker . . . We have a really good gallery in the back there. They have been waiting to hype up there. They are all together there. They are having a good time over there. I love them too. But what I am about, Mr. Speak …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They say.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I think there is this undercurrent tha t the OBA is looking to do away with the eff iciencies of the civil service and do away with people. That is so far from the truth. I remember when we won Government at that time. That was the cloud hanging over …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the chair. Speak to the chair.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier — to ensure, to ensure that we got to a point that our entrepreneurs — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Well then, fine. If you want to take all the responsibility —I hear the peanut gallery down there —then get on with it. It is not done. And we have heard from questions today, Mr. Speaker, how the project is not ready. It is not going to get done in …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. And we are going to get interpolations from the Premier about nothing changed. But it is under the OBA that we were able to raise revenues at a rate and fill up Grand Atlantic that has sat empty, for what? The last 12 years now. Low - cost housing …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How many are still open?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier It is the Americ a’s Cup. What do you mean how many are open?
The Speaker The Speaker Talk this way.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I would encourage the Honourable Member of Education to walk on Front Street under his watch and take a look at all the empty spac-es under his watch. Look at the empty spaces. In fact, if you were . . . now you want to get me all excited here. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Of what?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That we are in trouble. And when your stakeholders get up and make statements like ABIR said . . . and if I am permitted, Mr. Speaker, if I can read some of the stakeholders [comments] and what they had to say. “And Berm uda’s relianc e” . . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He did not say that.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. So, “he did not say that.” All right. Well, Mr. Speaker, let me just read another quote from this particular [person]. “According to PwC research” . . . this is another one I am going to read. Actually, I will go to the first one. “ A business leader …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. No, we do not have any vision, so I am going to give you what I see as what is going on as far as the vision is concerned, Mr. Speak-er. So, here we are with the charade of . . . and this budgeting is quite upsetting t …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh yeah, here we go. That is the exact person I want t o start interpolating, Mr. Speaker, because here we are—
The Speaker The Speaker You have a minute left. You only have a minute.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I believe that the Premier’s head is in the sand when it comes to the realities of what is going on in this country. People are leaving. Our youths are killing themselves at an alarming rate. What are we doing about it? Shops are closed down. And we are going …
The Speaker The Speaker Time is up.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —capital he has and get on with growing the economy — [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —because what we have today is ridiculous up in here.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you. MP Scott, are you on your feet to stretch your legs or would you like to m ake a contribution at this time?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I would like to make a 30minute contribution, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have 20 minutes on the clock. There you go.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is no secret that I am a big Marvel and DC and comic book fanatic. And one of the reasons why I am such a fan of the comic books’ multiverses is because of the fact that every character has a backstory. And …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, members. Settle down so we can hear him.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —of the different characters, to understand what is going on fully, you have to go back and follow that arc all the way back to their origin story because . . . and it is called an arc, for those that are not comic book aficionados, like myself, because the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Eight een months later it was more. Another Hon. Member: Boo hoo!
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And so then, the thing is, is that if you look at September 2017, the country’s debt is now $2.515 billion, and that does not include the $213 million guarantee that they made for Morgan’s Point. So now we are looking . . . And that is just a quarter …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Seven hundred for the hospital.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, what really offends me are the nine words that the Royal Gazette used to characteri se that statement. And the nine words are that “He minced no words in laying out some facts.” So, Mr. Speaker, I decided to follow the arc of Mr. Arthur Wightman. And I …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Unfortunately, the Honour able Member —
The Speaker The Speaker Member? Yes. Go ahead.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —is misleading the public on something. He is being extremely suggestive about somebody without being able to qualify it. And that is concerning. That is very concerning knowing that they hired PwC for Government. He is misleading the House on something suggested that he has no way to prove.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. You have expressed your opinion.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, I will continue because I was just getting to the good part where I laid down some facts. Mr. Speaker, in 2022 alone under the PLP, GDP grew from 3.4 per cent to 3.9 per cent. In 2022 under the PLP 402 jobs were created. In 2022 under …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And this is despite being taken off trac k, despite the OBA , which is the gift that keeps on giving with Morgan’s Point. They gave us the gift of the MRG. And, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, I want to shift gears and go to 2 Timothy 2:15. [Inaudibl e interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott “Study to she w thyself a pproved unto God , a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Preach, brother.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And what I mean by that, Mr. Speaker, is for those persons who are hearing the voice and the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart . . . [inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Do your own research b ecause the Royal Gazette, PwC, and nor the words of the Chamber of C ommerce are our prayer book. And when you follow the arc or the backstory of some of the people and headlines that are put in front of you, you will quickly …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, I am well aware of the adage that there are certain— and you might have lived through some of this —tha t there are certain individuals in our society that always have to be twice as good as others — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —to earn or garner half of the respect. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And I am feeling t hat today in this House, Mr. Speaker, because the numbers and the data are clear that our track record year for year — and in my days as a DJ dub for dub— [Laughter and inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —is that year for year —four years —under this current PLP administration vers us four years under the OBA administration you got twice the better performance from the PLP. But yet the OBA wanted to take you into the minutia, Oh , let’s look at this one year. Oh, let’s …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Right? We have done the work , and we have proven ourselves time and time again. And although the OBA say they want to work with u s, when given the opportunity by the Minister of Labour and Economy, they turned it town. Oh, we did not want to respond …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Some of them say they did not get the message. Others said We got it, but we ignored it. So, Mr. Speaker, once again I am going to r epeat that you have had a growth in GDP of 3.4 [per cent] to 3.9 per cent. You have had 402 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And they had promised you 2000 jobs, but the thing is, it seems as though they are good at multiplying because they promised you 2000 and lost 4000. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And once again remember . . . I have shown you how everything is interconnec ted. The persons at the . . . and [shown you] why they seemingly rely on some international business spokesmen. Because there is a connecti on. Their arcs intersect, Mr. Speaker. But yet they do …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh-oh.
The Speaker The Speaker Be guided. Be guided now.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I am, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Be guided.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott There is lineage in this Chamber, Mr. S peaker. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The thing is, I do not question their motives. I am just stating the fact that there are Members who sat in this House under the 40 Thieves who have genealogy in this Chamber today. An Hon. Membe r: So?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott But yet when we start doing things that help and benefit Bermudians, and the worker , and the labourer, now we are doing som ething wrong. But if we were to agree with Big Bus iness, now we [would be] making the right decision. Remember, Mr. Speaker, once again, our …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member, for your contribution. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP De Silva, you have your 2 0 minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my Member opposite, Mr. Cannonier, I too am fighting a little …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Twenty -five. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: About 25. So, over 20 years. See, we have had a bit of history here tonight, but I want to mention a piece of history that in case we have forgotten I am going to bring up. Colleagues that are o ld …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, you did not. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh yes, we did. Oh, it was put to rest very, very nicely by factual information— [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Factual — Another Hon. Member: Page C-29 of the Budget Book . 442 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —factual information.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member C-29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay? Factual information—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You are wrong again. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Call it what you may. The fact of the matter is . . . the fact of the matter is if we really want to get down to the nitty -gritty . . . Quite frankly if anyone . . …
The Speaker The Speaker I did not — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is right. I knew you would say that.
The Speaker The Speaker I could agree to that — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I knew you would say that.
The Speaker The Speaker I could agree to that — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But see, this is the thing, Mr. Speaker. MP Adams gave us some real cold, hard facts tonight. He went from deficits. He went from f inancing. He went to our people that are being helped because we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Not one! [Desk thumping and inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, I have not heard— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —one OBA Member talk about their own Budget Reply. An Hon. Memb er: Not a one! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: They spent …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Foolishness! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: In fact . . . In fact, I want my Members on this side to be patient because I am going to say something right now that you may g et upset [about] , but hang on. I looked at the OBA’s Budget …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order, Mr. Speaker
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member is misleading the House. And not intentionally — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, thank you for that.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yeah. For sure. Just like the Premier is still trying to qualify the — Another Hon. Member: What’s your point of order!
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —terms and the likes does not mean that he does not agree with South Hampton Princess. We agree with it. We were— Another Hon. Member: Point of order!
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —debating the terms. We agreed with the project, but it was the terms —
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Hon. Z ane J. S. De Silva: Do not use up my time—
The Speaker The Speaker You made . . . You made your point.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member —like that.
The Speaker The Speaker You made . . . You made your point. You made your point. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: See? See? See? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: See? See? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: See, Mr. Speaker? That is the problem with the with …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Seven. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Seven. And maybe anot her. If anybody has done any building of any kind and planning of any kind business or otherwise and you have done a plan and you reckon it is going to be x, y, z to finance a particular …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair then, and you do not have to get side tracked. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, what I am saying is, when I hear Members opposite talk about what is going on or not going on at Fairmont Sout hampton . . . Ari …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yeah, they did happen. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And we could talk . . . we could talk . . . We get . . . The Honourable Members talk about the Lo ren and St . Regis and all. [Inaudible interjection and clapping] Hon. Zane J. S. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What have you done? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What have we done? We did . . . we did not . . . we did not have to pay $250 million of the taxpayer’s dollars on a failed project. That is what we did not do. [Inaudible interjections] …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tell us. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We ran an election in 2020, and they kicked you out. That is what happened. Okay? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Uh, drive . . . drive . . . drive you r comments this way. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thirty seats —
The Speaker The Speaker Drive it this way . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thirty seats —
The Speaker The Speaker Drive it this way. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thirty seats, Mr. Speaker. That is what we achieved. And the people of this country spoke loud and clear. They did not want them anywhere near the Government of this country. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: They found a million dollars for the Commission of Inquiry. And Lord know s the amount of money it cost the civil service to pr epare and take part [in] that, right? And then they are going to close Lamb Foggo [Urgent Care] …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott That Member is misleading the House. It is not a million dollars a year; it’s actually up to $3 million a year that we are paying in electricity.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Aah! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, well, well.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member My, my, my. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, do you know why it is $3 million a year? Because they don’t worry about turning off the lights because they are not paying for it! [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But just think what we could do …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I think it is this month, Mr. Speaker. You have been here, I don’t know, forever. I don’t want it to seem like you are that old, Mr. Speaker, but I think this month is your anniversary. And we should certainly give you …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is imputing improper motive. Those stories do not start with the OBA. [General uproar] 446 24 February 2023 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Improper motive, Mr. Speaker, is right here on page 3—
The Speaker The Speaker Well, well, you know, Member, I am going to ask you to drift away from that because I did ask the Member to withdraw it. He did withdraw it, and we have to respect that he honoured that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Well, Mr. Speaker, and I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? Going once, going twice. [ Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker I am on my feet, you know, Members. [ Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: I have to close the debate, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Well, are you going to close the debate for us, Mr. Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Well, you’ll have to give me a minute.
The Speaker The Speaker Your Members did not want to move,
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, I will give you the opportunity to close us out, but none of your Members moved. Premier, you can close us out. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I have plenty of time to go. I will take my 30 minutes.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I do get 30 minutes. The Speaker: Right, because you opened the debate. Hon. E. David Burt: It’s saying 20, Mr. Speaker. That’s all.
The Speaker The Speaker He’s the one that opened it. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. What was I getting . . . T he OBA [Members have] been gone for a while so that’s okay. If you leave MP Cannonier, it will be fine. Mr. Speaker, it has been an interesting day. I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Unbelievable! Hon. E. David Burt: That is what they said, Mr. Speaker. It is in this document. And now they are running away from it! None of them will defend it. I mean, Mr. Speaker, just so we are clear, the Progressive Labour Party caucus is kind of large. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Direct your comments to the Chair. Hon. E. David Burt: Let me go forward, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Cannonier, let him direct his co mments to the Chair. Hon. E. David Burt: But I am going to go forward Mr. Speaker because this is fun. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, it’s fun for me. It might not be fun for you, because you can’t even …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. Hon. E. David Burt: I don’t need their validation, because the validation I get is from the people in [co nstituency]18 where we walk on the hills in Pembroke Park. The validation I get is when I can vass with my MPs, with persons who know and understand that …
The Speaker The Speaker P oint of order . [Laughter] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, as to the meeting that the Premier is referring to with a potential client, we had a very positive meeting, quite frankly. Mr. Speaker, the point of order is that he is misleading …
The Speaker The Speaker St ate your point of order before you get into a long discussion, because this is a point of order. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons : Mr. Speaker, we made it clear to those people that we support their endeavors and the only challenge that we would have was ensur-ing …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: But the players have to be sterling clean.
The Speaker The Speaker Alright. Hon. N . H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: So here you have it Mr. Speaker, we’ll play nice with the digital asset business when it is in private, but to score political points in this House, we will attack the Government’s record. [Desk thumping] Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, if he reads my article . . . sorry, my [Reply] he will s ee that I have supported digital assets, but we have to ensure that we do our [due diligence] to ensure—
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, the clock is running out. There are 30 seconds left, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker I will use those 30 seconds by saying this: That exchange tells the pe ople of this country all they need to know. The Oppos ition Leader will say one thing …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay , thank you Members for your participation today. We had the Budget [Statement] pr esented last week. We have had the Reply today. And as we move to close out tonight, I am just reminding you that next week we will start the ec onomic debate on the heads. …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Fine. Members, as I was saying just now, enjoy you weekend, get some rest because next week we will start the economic debates on the respective— [Crosstalk] House in Committee at 9 :09 pm [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move Head 36 Ministry of Public Works Headquar ters, Head 53 Bermuda Housing Corporation, Head 68 Parks, Head 81 Public Lands and Building and Head 82 Works and Engineering.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you we will commence with those Heads at 10:00 am on Monday morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you Mr. Cha irman. I move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask leave to sit again on Monday, 27 February 2023.
Mr. Chairman We will rise and report. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House resumed at 9 :10 pm REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2023/24
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier , you can move that motion to adjourn. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Sp eaker, I move this Honourable House do now adjourn until Monday, February 27 at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Does anyone witness to speak to that? No Members wish to speak. Members, enjoy your weekend. Get rested, because starting on Monday we will be here three days a week for the next few weeks. So come pr epared for meeting for and fulfilling debates on …
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