Parliament discussed a bill that would allow new types of guided tour vehicles (like "Tuk-Tuks") to operate on Bermuda's roads, with the same access to national parks as taxis currently have. The Minister of Economy and Labour presented the annual report for Financial Assistance, showing reduced complaints and improved services, though some MPs questioned the lack of specific statistics. The Minister of Social Development reported on training programs for litigation guardians who protect children's interests in court cases.
Motor Car (Liveries) Amendment Act 2022 - creating rules for guided tour vehicles and minicar livery licensingDepartment of Financial Assistance Annual Report 2020-2021 - reviewing government assistance programs and performanceLitigation Guardian Service Update - progress on protecting children in court proceedingsPublic Health COVID-19 Emergency Extension Order - continuing pandemic emergency powers
Bills & Motions
Motor Car (Liveries) Amendment Act 2022 - introduced for first reading (same content as 2021 version that previously passed the House but failed in Senate)
Public Health (COVID-19) Emergency Extension (No. 4) Order 2022 - tabled for information
Notable Moments
Opposition MPs questioned why guided tour vehicles should have access to national parks, leading to a somewhat testy response from the Transport Minister who noted the same bill had already passed before
Technical difficulties plagued the virtual sitting, with computers going down at the start and some documents not being available online
Multiple MPs expressed condolences for recent deaths from violence and accidents, highlighting ongoing community trauma
Debate Transcript
478 speeches from 31 speakers
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood morning, MPs [and] members of the public. We will open Parliament [with] prayer by Ms. Beale. Ms. Beale, can you lead us in prayer? I’m sorry . . . one second, Ms. Beale, I’m sorry. Sergeant -at-Arms. [Pause]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWe are having some technical difficulties. Just bear with us; the computers have gone down. [Crosstalk]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWe are going to be about five minutes. We are trying to get some technical glitches fixed. [Pause]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood morning, Members of Parliament and the listening audience. We will start our session today with a prayer by Ms. Beale. Ms. Beale. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Kara Beale, Assistant Clerk]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Ms. Beale. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 22 April 2022 ]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerAny ob jection to the confirm ation of the Minutes of the 22nd of April? There appear to be no objections. The Minutes are confirmed [Minutes of 22 April 2022 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPE AKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere are some papers and other communications to the House. Minister Wilson, Minister of Health. Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. PUBLIC HEALTH (COVID- 19) EMERGENCY EXTENSION (NO. 4) ORDER 2022 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit …
There are some papers and other communications to the House. Minister Wilson, Minister of Health.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
PUBLIC HEALTH (COVID- 19) EMERGENCY EXTENSION (NO. 4) ORDER 2022
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension (No. 4) O rder 2022 proposed to be made by the Minister of Health in exercise of the power conferred by section 107A of the Public Health Act 1949. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Wilson . We have another paper by Minister Hayward, Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister Hayward. [No audible response]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerOkay. Well, the Minister is not— Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, may I lay it on his behalf? 1250 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Yes, you may. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL …
Okay. Well, the Minister is not—
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, may I lay it on his behalf? 1250 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Yes, you may.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANNUAL REPORT 2020 –2021 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Deputy Speaker , I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the House of Assembly the Department of Financial Assistance Annual Report 2020 –2021 laid for the i nformation of the House of Assembly.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. PETITIONS
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWe have a Statement from the Minister of Transport . Honourable Member , Mr. Scott , you have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I will be tabling the Motor …
We have a Statement from the Minister of Transport . Honourable Member , Mr. Scott , you have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I will be tabling the Motor Car (Liveries) Amendment Act 2022 . The Bill aims to amend the Motor Car Act 1951 to create an offence for operating a minicar li very without a licence. It amends Part VIB to expand the types of vehicles that can be used on a guided tour and addresses related matters in legislation. Mr. Deputy Speaker, except for changing the year from 2021 to 2022, the con tent of the Bill is the same that was introduced on the 10th of September 2021 , and passed in this Honourable House on the 24th of September 2021. The Bill was taken up for debate in the Senate on the 6th of October 2021, and at that time the Opposition put forth a motion for an amendment. The pr oposed amendment was for a new clause to be inser ted, clause 10A, “Notwithstanding any other provision in this Act or in the principal Act, no Guided Tour V ehicle shall be used within the National Park [s] System (as defined in the Bermuda National Parks Act 1986).” The narrative supporting the proposal was around the safety of the public and the protection of the environment. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, despite being fully informed that there is an approval process for the pr oposed routes for guided tour vehicles, there are stat utory protections for breaches in n ational parks, and the Government is fully committed to protecting all aspects of the environment . . . despite that, the m otion carried. The Bill fell at the end of the parliamentary session in December 2021, and , subsequently , the Ministry of Transport met with Members of the Senate, environmental agencies, and members of the public to address questions and address concerns about guided tour vehicle operations. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the proposed amendment would have meant that a tour vehicle would not be legally permitted to enter a national park. Mr. Deputy Speaker, you will be aware that the public service vehicles —that is , your taxis, your limousines and m inibuses —take our visitors on tour s that drive through and stop for a visit in our national parks. Our visitors experience flora, forts, beaches, historical artifacts, and the like. It is most unfortunate that the Opposition put forward a proposal that is discriminatory toward guided tour vehicles, effectively rendering the service pointless, as they would not have access to the areas we most want to showcase and that visitors come to see. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Ministry of Transport strives to provide an environment where job creation and entrepreneurship in the transportation industry is favourable. I look forward to progressing the Bill since the Ministry is aware of an entrepreneur who is eagerly waiting and ready to operate a guided tour oper ation and waiting for the statutory changes so that their type of vehicle will be permitted to do so and to be licensed as a guided tour vehicle. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Scott. There is another Ministerial Statement from Minister Tinee Furbert. Minister Furbert . LITIGATION GUARDIAN SERVICE UPDATE Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise to report to this Honourable House the recent progress about …
Thank you, Minister Scott. There is another Ministerial Statement from Minister Tinee Furbert. Minister Furbert .
LITIGATION GUARDIAN SERVICE UPDATE Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise to report to this Honourable House the recent progress about the Mi nistry’s ongoing commitment to embedding a sound litigation guardian service framework into Bermuda’s court. As you may recall, the litigation guardian service operates as a mechanism of child safeguarding under the provision of the Children Act 1 998, section s 35 and 36. In particular, it states that “for the purpose of any specified proceedings, the court shall appoint a litigation guardian for the child concerned unless sati sBermuda House of Assembly fied that it is not necessary to do so in order to saf eguard his interests. ” Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am delighted to report that from February 19 to 24, 2022, over 65 Bermudians took part in litigation guardian training sessions hosted by the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors in collaboration with the office of the Deputy Governor and the United Kingdom Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office. Training was conducted utili sing a made- for-Bermuda manual deve loped for current and potential litigation guardians . The week -long intensive training was conducted by the UK Foreign Commonwealth and Deve lopment Office [FCDO] consultant , Mr. Anthony Douglas, CBE, former chief executive of England’s Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service, [bet-ter known as Cafcass]. Cafcass is a UK quango that represents children in the family court. It should be highlighted the UK FCDO has formally provided their continued support to building a sound, fiscally prudent litigation guardian programme for the country. Mr. Deputy Speaker, attendees were selected employees of the Depart ment of Child and Family Services [DCSF] , members of the Family and Court Services, members of the Bar Associations, j udges, magistrates , as well as current and prospective Litig ation Guardian Panel members. During these sessions, persons engaged in a wide range of topics that i ncluded such topics as writing an outstanding child impact analysis, advanced court craft, and the Cafcass Operating Framework , part 1 and 2. These sessions have undoubtedly strengt hened the capacity of those who attended to effecti vely and compassionately deal with the complex needs of our children in today’s society, especially children who face challenging circumstances and who may have experienced significant trauma. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am pleased to a nnounce that the Ministry received an overwhelming response to the expression- of-interest call for new Litigation Guardian Panel members. Following the application process and completion of the training programme I selected a total of seven individuals to be appointed to the Litigation Guardian Panel for the year, pending the necessary vetting protocols. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors will be introducing a Litig ation Guardian Steering Committee. The reason that this Steering Committee is needed is that its membe rship will include representatives from the judiciary at all levels, Court Services, a Litigation Guardian repr esentative and DCFS. This temporary committee is being assembled for the distinct purpose of ensuring that this comprehensive litigation guardian service framework is embedded into the Bermuda Family Court and that this process is completed in a timely manner and incorporates the revised, globally accepted, practice standards. The work and progress of the Steering Committee are to be reviewed every three months to ensure the project stays on track. Mr. Deputy Speaker, before closing I must applaud and express my sincere gratitude to the hardworking government employees under the D epartment of Child and Family Services. Tuesday , April 19, [2022] , the DCFS t eam hosted a four -and-a-halfhour event, themed “Getting to Know the DCFS .” A broad range of private and public sector stakeholders attended this event. Proudly , DCFS demonstrated the importance of their work within our community and the great value of their role in the lives of Bermudian chi ldren and families. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as we continue to make [progressive] steps to ensure the safeguarding of our children, I want to thank all community stakeholders for their efforts in creati ng a better Bermuda. We must remember that it takes a village to raise a child. We must encourage, empower, and protect our village. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Furbert. We have a Statement from [the Minister of Economy and Labour] . Minister Hayward, you have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood morning, sir. DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANNUAL REPORT 2020 –2021 Hon. Jason Hayward: This morning I r ise to lay the 2020 –2021 Annual Report of the Department of F inancial Assistance as prescribed by the Financial A ssistance Act 2001 , section 3(4) which states , “The Director …
Good morning, sir.
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANNUAL REPORT 2020 –2021
Hon. Jason Hayward: This morning I r ise to lay the 2020 –2021 Annual Report of the Department of F inancial Assistance as prescribed by the Financial A ssistance Act 2001 , section 3(4) which states , “The Director shall as soon as practicable after the end of the Government's financial year make to the Minister and publish in such manner as he thinks appropriate a report of his activities under this Act for that year. ” The Annual Report highlights some significant results achieved during this reporting period, which include: • reduction in the number of client complaints; • reduction in the number of complaints to the Ombudsman’s Office; • reduction in the number of appeals to the D epartment of Financial Assistance Review Board; • enhanced monitoring and control of expenditure; • implementation of new internal policies and procedures; • improved governance and management of client case files; • continued activities to advance Financial A ssistance Reform initiatives; and 1252 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly • administration of the Supplementary Unemployment Benefit Fund. Mr. Deputy Speaker , work continues in earnest to improve good governance by advancing monthly compliance activities. This minimi ses risks and promotes consistency when carrying out oper ational activities. The team is working on transforming the service delivery to ensure the customer exper ience is professional and demonstrates a high level of customer service delivery. During this reporting period the team participated in the International Leadership Management Customer Service Programme to i mprove their skills in this area. This has led t o a decrease in the number of complaints logged with the Ombudsman’s Office and reduced the number of appeals referred to the Advisory Board. The Supplementary Unemployment Benefit Fund was introduced in September 2020. This fund was created to provide ass istance to Bermudians who continued to struggle with unemployment as a direct result of the pandemic. With the implementation of this funding , the department was appointed to carry out a rigorous vetting process to minimi se fraud and to deter dishonesty. A dditional resources were recruited to assist with the volume of additional duties associated with the application process. The Ministry of Finance was responsible for the issuance of payments after receipt of the recommended listing from the Financial Assistance Department. Mr. Deputy Speaker , the report provides i nformation that demonstrates ongoing work being performed to maintain fiscal responsibility by enhancing the monitoring of expenditures and reducing the risk of fraud. Stringent procedures are constantly reviewed to ensure the investigative officers utilis e compliance guidelines as well as the services of the Attorney General’s Chambers to standardi se payment agreements to reduce receivables (overpayment of funds) and discourage fraud. During the f iscal year , there were a number of cases referred to the Attorney General’s Office for opinion, and subsequent legal pr oceedings where it was deemed prudent. At the end of this fiscal period, the total amount of recoverable debt recorded was approximately $[469] ,627. The report illustrates a five -year performance trend for the d epartment. It remains that the categories from highest participants to lowest remains pe nsioners, disabled, earnings low and abled- bodied unemployed year on year. The highest expendi tures are rent, nursing homes, food and insurance. There is little change in these categories from period to period. Similarly, the Child Day Care P rogramme trend does not show any significant changes throughout these years. Mr. Deputy Speaker , Phase 1 of Financial Assistance Reform began in earnest during this per iod. Drafting instructions were completed and submi tted in accordance with the legislative process. By the end of the reporting period, it was anticipated that amendments would be approved in the months that followed. The Ministry would like to take this opportunity to thank the Department of Financial Assistance team and all partners who collaborated to support the work that is being carried out. These efforts will ensure that Bermudians gain acc ess to services that will assist them in their efforts to maintain a respectable level of living. It is the goal of the Ministry to go a step further by positioning Bermudians to achieve gainful and respectful employment opportunities in the local wor kforce, and to provide the required social support services. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Hayward. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere is a one- hour Question Period. So far , we only have one question for the Mi nister of Transport , and that is from the Honourable Member Susan Jackson. Ms. Jackson, you may ask your question.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood morning. QUESTION 1: MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Ms. Susan E. JacksonMy question is for the Mini ster of Transport. I just wanted to get a little more clar ity around the distinction between the guided tour v ehicle and a public service vehicle. I am just trying to ask how a taxi is included in the guided tour vehicle as …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMinister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker, a public service vehicle is not included as a guided tour vehicle. The Statement was highlighting the discrim inatory nature of the amendment that the Opposition brought in the Senate, or in another place, by saying that guided tour vehicles could not …
Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker, a public service vehicle is not included as a guided tour vehicle. The Statement was highlighting the discrim inatory nature of the amendment that the Opposition brought in the Senate, or in another place, by saying that guided tour vehicles could not enter the national parks system while public service vehicles —taxis, minibuses and the like—could actually enter the n ational parks system .
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMs. Jackson, any further questions? Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 2: MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Yes, I have a further question. Regarding the access to the national parks, does that mean that guided tour vehicles —which is a new definition —will somehow be incorporated into the National Parks Act in order for guided tour vehicles to fall under the same …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Yes, I have a further question. Regarding the access to the national parks, does that mean that guided tour vehicles —which is a new definition —will somehow be incorporated into the National Parks Act in order for guided tour vehicles to fall under the same instruction and direction according to the National Parks Act for public service vehicles?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMinister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: There is no need to speci fically include them into the National Parks Act. They will be limited , or prohibited, from accessing any part, or the protected parts, of the national parks [system] . Simpl y stated, where a taxi, minibus and limousine can …
Minister.
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: There is no need to speci fically include them into the National Parks Act. They will be limited , or prohibited, from accessing any part, or the protected parts, of the national parks [system] . Simpl y stated, where a taxi, minibus and limousine can currently go, as we speak today, will be the same places that the guided tour vehicles can go. If a taxi, minibus or limousine cannot ac cess a part of the park, neither will the guided tour vehicle.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Scott Pearman, you have the floor. Supplementary. SUPPLEMENTAR IES
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you, Mr. Deputy Spe aker. Thank you, Minister. Minister, just to clarify, a guided tour vehicle which is the three- or four -wheeled vehicle as defined , being with a bicycle seat for the driver or rider and steered by handlebars . . . what restrictions will be imposed …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Spe aker. Thank you, Minister. Minister, just to clarify, a guided tour vehicle which is the three- or four -wheeled vehicle as defined , being with a bicycle seat for the driver or rider and steered by handlebars . . . what restrictions will be imposed on thos e vehicles when they are in our national parks?
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: The same restrictions that apply to public service vehicles or any other vehicle outside of that of a Parks Department vehicle will apply to the guided tour vehicles. Therefore, on top of that the added protection in this Bill is that the guided tour vehicle is only given a licence to operate after they have shown the routing and the places that they are going to go to the Ministry of Transport via the Transportation Control Depar tment. And if they are trying to go into what is called a “protected area,” they will not be given a licence to operate. And if they are found in violation of their operating licence, their licence will be,, and can be, taken away from them so that they cannot operate at all.
Mr. Scott PearmanSecond supplementary, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker: Yes, Mr. Pearman, continue.
Mr. Scott PearmanMinister, what is a “protected area” in the national park, as different from the rest of the national park? Is that a smaller area than the rest of the park off the paths? Or is it all areas of the park off the paths?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMinister Scott. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I find it interesting that this same Bill has passed already , and we have had all these questions that were a nswered . But I will answer them again. The fact is that sand dunes, beaches, those types of areas …
Minister Scott. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I find it interesting that this same Bill has passed already , and we have had all these questions that were a nswered . But I will answer them again. The fact is that sand dunes, beaches, those types of areas , are considered the protected areas. Areas that you do not see private cars , areas that you do not see taxis, minibuses, or liveries already parked, are the same places that are protected. That is the reason we do not see cars in there; because they are protected. We had this conversation already when we discussed the Bill the last time. It passed the House with no objection. I do not understand it. We just changed the date; it is only from 2021 to 2022. Why are we asking these questions?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister. Any further questions to the Minister? QUESTION 3: MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Ms. Susan E. JacksonYes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have one other question , and this is just regarding the access with our main roads . Can the Minister please describe what controls may be put in place to ensure the smooth mov ement of traffic if t here are going to be large …
Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have one other question , and this is just regarding the access with our main roads . Can the Minister please describe what controls may be put in place to ensure the smooth mov ement of traffic if t here are going to be large groups of guided tours on our main roads?
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: The only person, or the only application that we have, is a single vehicle operation of which we affectionately refer to as the “Tuk - Tuk.” That is the bike with the basket on the back, or the gondola on the back that carries somebody. So it is only one vehicle that is going to be happening at a time. So I don’t believe . . . you can pass a rental car, a minicar ; you can pass this car. There will be no obstruction.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, Ms. Jackson, continue. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. JacksonSo will there be a restriction or a control around the number of guided tour vehicles 1254 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly that will be in a tour group while on the main roads in Bermuda?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMinister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: If the Honourable Member read the legislation last time, the answer is in the legislation. It has not changed. It is still six vehicles at the maximum.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Member Susan Jackson. There is one other person who wants to ask a quest ion to Minister Hayward. MP Richardson, you have the floor.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, we hear you. QUESTION 1: DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANNUAL REPORT 2020 –2021
Mr. Jario n RichardsonThank you, sir. And I thank the Honourable Minister for bringing his Statement to the floor of the House this morning. Mr. Deputy Speaker, would the Honourable Minister be able to clarify the actual reductions that were made that he is referring to on page 1? He says that there …
Thank you, sir. And I thank the Honourable Minister for bringing his Statement to the floor of the House this morning. Mr. Deputy Speaker, would the Honourable Minister be able to clarify the actual reductions that were made that he is referring to on page 1? He says that there were reductions in the number of client complaints, but both the Budget Book and the department report provide metrics to achieve . . . I’m so rry, only the Budget Book provides metrics to achieve. But I do not see those metrics reflected here. Could he provide to us, for example, how much was r educed?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMinister Hayward. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I look through the actual report itself, it speaks to this item in general and does not have the statistics as it pertains to the reduction year over year as it pertains to the reported complaints. It just speaks to that …
Minister Hayward.
Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I look through the actual report itself, it speaks to this item in general and does not have the statistics as it pertains to the reduction year over year as it pertains to the reported complaints. It just speaks to that there was generally a reduction. So, I will endeavour to get those figures for the Honourable Member.
The Deputy Speake r: Thank you, Minister. Any further questions, Mr. Richardson?
Mr. Jarion RichardsonYes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am going to belabour the point a little bit, only b ecause this is a $52 million department and we do have metrics in the Budget Book. So when would the Ho nourable Minister be able to get those numbers to me?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMinister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I aim to get those numbers to the Member before the next si tting of the House.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you. Mr. Richardson, any further questions?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMm-hmm. QUESTION 2: DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANNUAL REPORT 2020 –2021
Mr. Jarion RichardsonIn the Honourable Minister’s Statement, on page 3 he says: “ At the end of this fi scal period, the total amount of recoverable debt recorded was approximately $469,627. ” Does the Honourable Minister know how much it was in the prev ious year? Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, …
In the Honourable Minister’s Statement, on page 3 he says: “ At the end of this fi scal period, the total amount of recoverable debt recorded was approximately $469,627. ” Does the Honourable Minister know how much it was in the prev ious year?
Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, again, the Statement is a tabling statement for the actual r eport. The report does not have those figures in it, but what I will do is endeavour to cross reference the pr evious year’s report so that I can pull those numbers and provide it to the Member.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister. Any further questions, Mr. Richardson?
Mr. Jarion RichardsonYes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. How are we supposed to scrutinise his Stat ement if there are no numbers?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Richardson, the Minister said he would endeavour to get those figures to you.
Mr. Jarion RichardsonI apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you; I beg your indulgence. I thank the Honourable Minister for his Stat ement.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Mr. Richardson. There appear t o be no other questions for Ministers. Next is Congratulatory and/or Obituary Speeches. Bermuda House of Assembly CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI don’t see anyone at this time. I think there is one [Member] who wanted to speak on Congratulatory and Obituary Speeches. I believe it was MP Foggo. MP Lovitta Foggo.
Ms. Lovitta F. FoggoThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. With a sad heart I would like to send condolences to two young mothers who have recently lost their sons to violence. The first mother is Ms. Sandra Hill who is a constituent of mine. I had opportunity to talk with her and I cannot …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. With a sad heart I would like to send condolences to two young mothers who have recently lost their sons to violence. The first mother is Ms. Sandra Hill who is a constituent of mine. I had opportunity to talk with her and I cannot express the amount of sad ness and grief she is experiencing with the rec ent loss of her son. The second mother is the mother of the r ecently passed young man yesterday who was also a constituent of mine and I . . . it was very difficult speaking with her and hearing her sobs and knowing that she has lost someone near and dear to her heart that can never be replaced. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I ask that this whole House join me in these condolences because we see that currently Bermuda is experiencing a lot of trauma. Hopefully, together we will stand against the trauma and show the families who are experiencing the pain that we are with them and we are doing everything within our power (1) to help them get through it; and (2), to help Bermuda come through this. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, MP Honourable Member Lovitta Foggo. Are there any further speakers?
Mr. Scott PearmanYes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I beg your indulgence. The Statement given by Honourable Minister Furbert earlier does not appear to be avail able on the website or on the Order Paper, so if could be placed up we would be most grateful, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes. Let me apologise. We are having some techni cal difficulties, but we will do our best to get it out to you ASAP.
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And again, with your indulgence, there was supposed to be a Statement on fuel pricing. We are assuming that this Statement is not being given.
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you, very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And thank you for allowing me to clarify the position.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerNot a problem. Thank you also. Any further speakers?
Mr. Tyrrell.
Mr. Nev ille S. TyrrellThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you very much. Good morning, colleagues. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to give some congratulations to some students at the Purvis Prim ary School. Even though Purvis is not in my constitue ncy, the st udents who live in my constituency have been …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you very much. Good morning, colleagues. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to give some congratulations to some students at the Purvis Prim ary School. Even though Purvis is not in my constitue ncy, the st udents who live in my constituency have been selected as second tier of the school as Heads and Prefects and are going to graduate next month. So I just want to give congratulations to the Head Boy and Prefect Charles Edney; Head Girl and Prefect Sofia Lin do; Deputy Head Boy and Prefect Giovanni Aruda ; and Deputy Head Girl and Prefect Tomea Clemmons. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I said, these students will graduate next year along with the other Prefects which I will have to list at a later date. Thank you, very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Mr. Tyrrell. Any further speakers? Minister Weeks. [No audible response]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThe Member is on mute. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, Mr. Weeks. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Yes, good morning to you; good morning, colleagues. I would like to start off, Mr. Deputy Speaker, by associating myself with the remarks from the Member from constituency 3, MP Foggo, in giving the co ndolences to the two mothers that lost their …
Yes, Mr. Weeks. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Yes, good morning to you; good morning, colleagues. I would like to start off, Mr. Deputy Speaker, by associating myself with the remarks from the Member from constituency 3, MP Foggo, in giving the co ndolences to the two mothers that lost their sons. Act ually, Mr. Deputy Speaker, there are actually three mothers. The other being Sonia Jennings who lost her son, Che, up at Warwick Workmen’s Club. So, you know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, there i s a scourge that we are faced with, and this is not the time to delve deep 1256 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly into it, but my heart goes out to those mothers and those fathers and those other family members. Mr. Deputy Speaker, while I have the micr ophone, I also want to send condolences out to the Mascarinas family. The husband is the unfortunate victim who died in the house explosion in Southam pton. So I would like to also send condolences to his wife and family. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to close on a happier note. I would like the House to send a letter of congratulations to Dandy Town Sports Club. They are double champions this year. They just missed out on the Friendship, so I would like to acknowledge the sports club for doing something good in our community. Thank you, very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Weeks. And congratulations to your team; may they be as ex-citing as Liverpool. [Laughter and inaudible interjection]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerIt seems like Minister Furbert, Tinee . . . [No audible response]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerUnmute your microphone, Ms.— Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I do want to send condolences to the family of Omar Jennings. Omar Jennings, Mr. Deputy Speaker, was a client, or service user, of K . Margaret Carter Centre. Omar will be sorely missed. I just wanted to …
Unmute your microphone, Ms.—
Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I do want to send condolences to the family of Omar Jennings. Omar Jennings, Mr. Deputy Speaker, was a client, or service user, of K . Margaret Carter Centre. Omar will be sorely missed. I just wanted to send condolences out to his mother and his sisters and his brother. I attended the funeral last week Saturday and, as Minister Weeks mentioned the death of Mr. Che Jennings, Omar is als o a family relative of Mr. Che Jennings. So I just wanted to send condolences out to the Jennings’ family on the death of their two loved ones. I also want to take this opportunity to give congratulations to the Troika family. Anyone who knowns Troika, they are a performing arts establis hment, organisation. Since COVID -19, the performing arts area has not had the opportunity to give perfor-mances and they had a dance show a couple of weeks ago (I believe). And it was amazing. They worked so hard; all of the performers, all of our local talent who were choreographers. Amazing work! I just want to congratulate each and every one who was a part of that Troika performance demonstration. I just want to say Keep up the good work!
Ms. Lovitta F. FoggoWould you associate me, please? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Absolutely! I would like to ass ociate MP Foggo in regard to Troika. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Furbert. The next Member is the Honourable Member Crystal Caesar. Ms. Crystal Caesar: Good morning and thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I join this morning, and whilst I am not speaking on congratulations, I think it is appropriate for me to also join with the Minister of …
Thank you, Minister Furbert. The next Member is the Honourable Member Crystal Caesar. Ms. Crystal Caesar: Good morning and thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I join this morning, and whilst I am not speaking on congratulations, I think it is appropriate for me to also join with the Minister of National Security. As we all know, and as the countr y is aware, there was a large explosion in my constituency earlier this week which has rocked not just the country, but specifically that community, that is the Hilltop [Court] apartment community. And I send my heartfelt condolences to the victim’s family , Mr. Mascarinas and to his wife. But also to the other four families who were directly i mpacted. We send our sympathies. We send our support and love to those families as well. This has been a traumatic experience, not just for them but also for the neigh bours who have to come out right now every day and be re- traumatised by seeing that vision. I want to continue to offer my support as does (I am sure he will not mind if I mention his name) MP Jason Wade and also MP Wayne Caines, as they —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThe entire House, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Ms. Crystal Caesar—as they stood with me. And so, yes, I will associate the entire House. I am sure that colleagues on both sides understand that this is a tragedy that affects not just the area, but the entire country. Finally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, another condolence that I would like to give …
—as they stood with me. And so, yes, I will associate the entire House. I am sure that colleagues on both sides understand that this is a tragedy that affects not just the area, but the entire country. Finally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, another condolence that I would like to give is to another specific constituent. It has been a few weeks since he has passed, but I think the country knows of the Crown Landscaping business, and the patriarch of that fam ily, Mr. Richardson, sadly did pass. And so I wanted to send my specific condolences to his family at this di fficult time. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, MP Caesar. The next speaker is Member Cannonier. Member Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThank you, very much, and good morning to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood morning. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: I just want to thank MP Cry stal Caesar for associating us to the unfortunate situation that happened at Hilltop. We know that it was such a tragic event which affected many in the area and Island- wide. On another …
Good morning.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: I just want to thank MP Cry stal Caesar for associating us to the unfortunate situation that happened at Hilltop. We know that it was such a tragic event which affected many in the area and Island- wide. On another sad note, I was not quite sure if anyone gave condolences to the Pearman family on the passing of Joanne Pearman. She was a well - known St. Georgian; always seen. I am sure you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, have seen her on the Causeway heading out of St. George’s and back into St. George’s on a regular basis.
Mr. L. Craig Ca nnonierMost of you would know that I am very close with the Pearman family —
Mr. L. Craig CannonierAbsolutely! Associate MP Swan of constituency 2, which I believe she lived in; almost on the border of constituency 1 and 2, actually. But certainly I am sure that Honourable Member Foggo would like to be associated as well with this here, knowing her, and yourself, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as …
Absolutely! Associate MP Swan of constituency 2, which I believe she lived in; almost on the border of constituency 1 and 2, actually. But certainly I am sure that Honourable Member Foggo would like to be associated as well with this here, knowing her, and yourself, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as well. This is a well -known family, the Pearman family. You know that her father was a centenarian down in St. George’s as well. A staple family; a strong family. My association with them goes back to People’s Pharmacy, having been the general manager for the family there for many years. And so we want to extend our condolences to the family. I had the fortune of being there at the hospital on another issue at the same time when they were all there. It is a loss of a wonderful person, a wonderful Bermudian. I would also like to, on a higher note . . . Minister Weeks, I concur with the accolades to Dandy Town. I am from St. David’s, but I am giving acc olades to Dandy Town. And what I would like to talk about is the Junior team. My grandson plays on the Junior Dandy Town team and they also were the wi nners of the Island- wide tournament, the Under 11 Tournament. This is a testament, Mr. Deputy Speaker, to Dandy Town’s organisation. They are grooming from very young. And for the same year that the Se nior team takes home trophies and cups, the Junior team did the exact same thing. I only wish that the Royal Gazette had highlighted them as well. The football in Bermuda is just on a great footing. I am expecting for some of these young folk coming along, especially the ones under 12, that we are going to see some professional players coming out of this here. So I commend Dandy Town, the Associ ation, for all of the hard work that they are putting in. This is fantastic; just fantastic to see. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, I t hought you were from St. David’s, but anyhow, you are—
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy Speaker—switching. Thank you for associating me with the remarks on Ms. Pearman. The next speaker is the Member, my MP, from St. George’s, Ren ee Ming.
Mrs. Renee MingGood morning, Mr. Deputy Spea ker. How are you today?
Mrs. Renee MingGood. I am all right. First of all, I would like to associate myself with the comments for the Pearman family. They are a long-standing St. Georgian family and I know my own family has had connections with them for quite some time, as Mr. Pearman, who passed some years …
Good. I am all right. First of all, I would like to associate myself with the comments for the Pearman family. They are a long-standing St. Georgian family and I know my own family has had connections with them for quite some time, as Mr. Pearman, who passed some years ago, worked with my grandfather over at the Base fire st ation for many, many years, before he went into the pharmacy business. On another sad note, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to give condolences and prayers to the family of Mr. Freddy Hall, A young person from St. George’s who passed a few weeks ago. Freddy was a promising goalkeeper —
Mrs. Renee Ming—that came through the St. George’s Cricket Club, Junior [League]. He travelled overseas. He lived overseas for some time and played professionally as a goalkeeper. More importantly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, he was an inspiration to all young footballers who are coming up and who aspired just like he did. And …
—that came through the St. George’s Cricket Club, Junior [League]. He travelled overseas. He lived overseas for some time and played professionally as a goalkeeper. More importantly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, he was an inspiration to all young footballers who are coming up and who aspired just like he did. And I just hope that we keep his memory alive and remember the good that he did within our community and those young people who he inspired. And I just want his mom and his dad to know that they are in our thoughts and prayers. I would also like to associate MP Lovitta Foggo with these comments and also MP Kim Swan because there is truly a large loss for St. George’s. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Spe aker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, MP Ming. I think we would like to associate the whole House because I understand Freddy played for the Bermuda Squad, played for Bermuda. And I know his father so I certainly associate myself with your remarks.
Mrs. Renee MingMm -hmm . 1258 6 May 2022 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Any further speakers?
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you. I would like to send condolences to the H arvey family, the family of Dr. Eugene Harvey, for the loss of his beloved wife, Susan. She was a long - standing Bermudian with a number of children, including my OBA colleague, Elizabeth Harvey, who has stood for the …
Thank you. I would like to send condolences to the H arvey family, the family of Dr. Eugene Harvey, for the loss of his beloved wife, Susan. She was a long - standing Bermudian with a number of children, including my OBA colleague, Elizabeth Harvey, who has stood for the OBA in previous elections. And we would just like to recognise her passing and send our sy mpathy and love to the Harvey family as a whole. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member, Mr. Pearman. A ny further speakers?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes. Honourable Member Dickinson, you have the floor.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to have the House convey condolences to the family of Gryneth Robinson. You may know Ms. Robinson as Gwen Robinson.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonGryneth quite recently lost two of her granddaughters. One will be buried tomorrow at the Trinity Church. She also lost her granddaughter, Dalana Robinson, daughter of Dawnelle. Her other granddaughter is Devonna Robins on, daughter of Dee Dee DeShields. So I would as k the House to send condolences to …
Gryneth quite recently lost two of her granddaughters. One will be buried tomorrow at the Trinity Church. She also lost her granddaughter, Dalana Robinson, daughter of Dawnelle. Her other granddaughter is Devonna Robins on, daughter of Dee Dee DeShields. So I would as k the House to send condolences to the Robinson family on this los s of two very young women in the prime of t heir l ives. Hon. Tinee Furbert: MP Dickinson, can I be assoc iated with that (Minister Tinee Furbert)? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Also myself, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Wayne Furbert; they are my cousins.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonOn a brighter note, I would like to have the House offer congratulations to Bermuda’s CARIFTA team for their recent performance at the CARIFTA Games in Jamaica. I am particularly proud to be giving congratulations in light of my youngest child’s contribution to the efforts of the U nder 17 …
On a brighter note, I would like to have the House offer congratulations to Bermuda’s CARIFTA team for their recent performance at the CARIFTA Games in Jamaica. I am particularly proud to be giving congratulations in light of my youngest child’s contribution to the efforts of the U nder 17 Girls 400 meter relay. My daughter, Elise, was the anchor leg and was instrumental in helping the team to secure a silver medal —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI am sure that comes from her mother’s side. [Laughter]
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonAbsolutely. Although I would add that when you see the tape and you see her at 300 meters and the other little girl comes up next to her, the grip that she displayed was her father’s. [Laughter]
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonMr. Deputy Speaker, in light of the fact that I have congratulated one of my chi ldren, I would not want to then face the other two. So I have some notable news for my younger son who is today in the midst of taking IB exams and he is …
Mr. Deputy Speaker, in light of the fact that I have congratulated one of my chi ldren, I would not want to then face the other two. So I have some notable news for my younger son who is today in the midst of taking IB exams and he is certainly feeling a high degree of stress. But John has recently been admitted and accepted into Morehouse College for this fall. And that he gets, Mr. Deputy Speaker, from his father. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanI cleared my tie and ev erything. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like my condolences to be associated with the Pearman and Hall families. Both constituents, as the Honourable Member former Premier Cannonier spoke, a true St. George’s family through and through, up there on the Hill. My condolences go …
I cleared my tie and ev erything. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like my condolences to be associated with the Pearman and Hall families. Both constituents, as the Honourable Member former Premier Cannonier spoke, a true St. George’s family through and through, up there on the Hill. My condolences go out to that family deeply. And, yes, Mrs. Pearman was the epitome of fitness, exercising greatly, often. And may she rest in peace. And certainly my cousin, Freddy Hall, it was as tragic to me as it was to all St. Georgians when we learned of his passing, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I had high hopes for him. He was such a great young man and may he rest in peace. That is all I can say, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It is a deep shock to us all. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Mr. Swan. Any further speakers? Hon. E. David Burt: If I may, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerPremier David Burt, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I would certainly like to be as sociated with the condolences offered earlier today, certainly for the families of the young men who tragically lost their lives to violence and …
Premier David Burt, you have the floor.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I would certainly like to be as sociated with the condolences offered earlier today, certainly for the families of the young men who tragically lost their lives to violence and also certainly to the family of Freddy Hall. I certainly know that the St. George’s community has experienced quite a bit of loss in the last few months and so certainly I want to be associated with that. I would also, Mr. Deputy Speaker, send condolences to the family of the late Ms. Linda Hill, who sadly passed away on April 27. Persons would know that Ms. Hill worked for the civil service for many years in the Accountant General’s department. I was greatly saddened to learn of her passing. She had a wonderful spirit. And I certainly wish to extend my deepest condolences to her daughter, Diamond- Lynn, and certainly to her entire family. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would also ask that condolences be sent to the family of my constituent, Mr. Padam Ezekiel Nisbett, who recently passed away in his 93rd year on Princess Estate Road. My deepest sympathies certainly go out t o his wife, Mrs. Dolly Nisbett, and his daughters, Deborah and Penny, and to the rest of his family. Mr. Deputy Speaker, on a note of congratul ations I would certainly like to be associated with the congratulations which were sent to our CARIFTA medallis ts, both in swimming and in track and field. We can certainly recognise the pride of the MP for constituency 21 in certainly seeing his daughter achieve that feat. And certainly our team represented Bermuda well and will continue to represent Bermuda well as we invest more in our elite athletes. Finally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to send congratulations to two local football teams who are close to my heart. First, I would like to ask that a note of congratulations be sent by this Honourable House to the Devonshire Recreation Club for bringing a trophy this year, and that was the Friendship Trophy of which they won last month. Additional to that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to extend congratul ations —and would certainly like to associate the Honourable Minister from constituency 16, the Minister of National Security, with congratulations to be sent —to the Western Stars Sports Club on their double this year of winning both the Elite and also the FA Cup Trophy. They dedicated their season to one of t heir teammates who was tragically lost in a vehicle acc ident last year. And they certainly were able to win two trophies. They were denied the treble by the Devonshire Recreation Club, but it is still good to see and certainly proud for me that the two teams that I am associated with were able to win silver this year. So I want to thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for that.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Premier. The next speaker is the Honourable Member Zane De Silva. Member De Silva. [No audible response]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI guess he has got some tec hnical difficulties. Any further speakers? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerOh, please. Mr. De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like the House to send condolences to Mr. Mike Moniz’ family. Mike was a very good friend of mine, going way back. He …
Oh, please. Mr. De Silva, you have the floor.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like the House to send condolences to Mr. Mike Moniz’ family. Mike was a very good friend of mine, going way back. He died very suddenly this week, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So my condolences go out to not only his family, but his par tner of over 25 years, Mr. John Tartaglia, commonly well-known by his nickname, JT. Those two were i nseparable, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mike was a man that was certainly unique. I never met anyone like him in my life. He totally sup ported many of the initiatives by 1260 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly this particular Government. You might remember, Mr. Deputy Speaker, he was an IT icon known throughout the world— not only in Bermuda, but he was known throughout the world; certainly, a class above most in his field. I wou ld put him up against most people in the world in his particular area of expertise. So he will be sorely missed, and I just wanted to pass that on and make sure that the members of his family know that not only me, but many Members of the Progressive Labour Party will miss him dearly. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member De Silva. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. I will just close it out by also having this House send condolences to the family of Ms. Jean Clarke, one of my constituents. She was a member of one of our most exciting churches in …
Thank you, Honourable Member De Silva. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. I will just close it out by also having this House send condolences to the family of Ms. Jean Clarke, one of my constituents. She was a member of one of our most exciting churches in Bermuda, Bethel AME Church. She leaves to mourn her daughter, Leslie Robinson. Ms. Clark was certainly a gracious woman, very pleasant, and always joyous to be around. She will certainly be missed by her daughter, Leslie, and the Bethel AME Church.
Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Deputy Speaker, can I beg you to associate me with that, please.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes. And the Premier would like to be associated wit h those remarks. Thank you. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere appear to be none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere appear to be none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORT ANCE
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThere appear to be none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI think we have one or two. Minister Scott. FIRST READING MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. D eputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper …
I think we have one or two. Minister Scott.
FIRST READING
MOTOR CAR (LIVERIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. D eputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting, nam ely, the Motor Car (Liveries) Amendment Act 2022.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Mini ster Scott. Are there any other Bills? And I am asking that even though it is not on the [Order Paper]. I had some glitches. Do any other Ministers have any Bills for i ntroduction of Bills? There appear to be none. OPPOSITION BILLS The Deputy Speak …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYou have carried that over, Mr. Pearman?
Mr. Scott PearmanNo, I am withdrawing and retabling pursuant to the Speaker’s direction. The Deputy Speak er: Yes. OPPOSITION BILL WITHDRAWN [Standing Orders 25 and 48] EQUALITY ACT 2021
Mr. Scott PearmanMr. Deputy Speaker, under the provisions of Standing Orders 48 and 25, I move to withdraw the Bill entitled Equality Act 2021, which was tabled on December 10, 2021. Mr. Deputy Speaker, under the provisions of Standing Order 14, I would like to move the first read-ing of the Bill …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerLet me get the approval of the House to withdraw the Bill. Are there any objections to the withdrawal of this Bill? There appear to be none. Granted. [Motion passed: The Opposition Bill entitled Equality Act 2021 was withdrawn.]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerContinue, Mr. Pearman. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, under the provision of Standing Order 14, I would like to move the first reading of the Bill entitled Equality Act 2022. OPPOSITION BILL FIRST READING [Standing Order 14] EQUALITY ACT 2022
Mr. Scott PearmanUnder the provisions of Standing Order 28(1), I ask for leave so that I may introduce the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Equality Act 2022.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI think we only have one which is [Order No.] 2. The second reading of the Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act 2022 in the name of the Mi nister of Tourism. Minister Campbell, you have the floor. Hon. Vance Campbell: Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood morning, Minister. Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Deputy Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation I move that the Bill ent itled the Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022 be now read the second time.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerContinue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2022 Hon. Vance Campb ell: Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Bill before this Honourable House is not complex on its face. Although it proposes to extend relief for 15 years, it is in the form of those Tourism Investment Orders that have …
Continue, Minister.
BILL
SECOND READING
FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2022 Hon. Vance Campb ell: Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Bill before this Honourable House is not complex on its face. Although it proposes to extend relief for 15 years, it is in the form of those Tourism Investment Orders that have already been made under the 2017 Act. Mr. Deputy Speaker, even though this is a very simple Bill, it causes us to review our tourism past, capitalise on our tourism present and lay the foundation of hope for our tourism future. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I indicated to Honourable Members and the public on t he tabling of this Bill last month, it is of national importance. Let me r epeat that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is of national importance! The Bill supports the redevelopment of more than an iconic hotel property; it is also a critical part of the overall eco nomic recovery for Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, to ensure that Honour able Members and the public have a fulsome understanding of the genesis of the Bill and its importance to Bermuda, I will take the time to canvass several areas related to tourism in an effort to elevate the di scussion from some of the very basic criticisms levelled since the Bill was tabled. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as part of the recent debate in this Honourable House on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the fiscal year 2022/23, Honourable Members also took under consideration the 2021 National Economic Report. That Report set out the state of Bermuda’s economy in 2021 and in referring to tourism said this: “Although there was significant upward movement from 2020, the 2021 Year -end statistics highlighted stark declines in key metrics compared to 2019 baseline figures. “● Total leisure air visitors down 71.2 per cent compared to 2019. “● Total air capacity was down 59.1 per cent compared to 2019. “● Total spend by air leisure visitors was down to $122.57 million (69.3 per cent less than 2019). “● Cruise Arrivals were 9 7.6 per cent down from 2019.” It can therefore be seen, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the impact of the pandemic on Bermuda’s tourism has been harsh. But 2019 was not a year without challenges and arguably signalled to Bermuda that key elements of our strategy were not working. The BTA’s [Bermuda Tourism Authority] 2019 Visitor Arrivals Report alluded to this, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and said, in part: “Decreased air capacity contributed to a more challenging landscape for Bermuda’s tourism industry in 2019, resul ting in a measured year -over-year performance compared to 2018’s record- breaking results. Yet, despite reductions in some areas, the island’s overall visitor tally proved the highest ever, air arrivals were the second- best in more than a decade, and i ncreasing investment in our tourism sector moved the island strategically forward. 1262 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly “Certain metrics fell due to recent barriers forecast by the BTA early last year: Bermuda exper ienced a 5% decline in air capacity in 2019, [for example,] pushing down leisure ai r arrivals by 6%. Two ai rlines cut back flights from New York’s crucial John F Kennedy hub, and flight schedules from Boston were also reduced. As a direct result of lower volume, spending performance by travellers was relatively flat, with $419.3 million in leisure dollars (from both air and cruise visitors) injected into our economy, up 2% from 2018.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, that 5 per cent decline in air capacity from critical markets was the beginning of a challenge that we are yet to address. It tells us that prior to the pandemic we had not successfully tackled seasonality and that we were not doing the job r equired to fill planes. What was happening, however, was an increasing reliance on cruise arrivals. That same 2019 BTA report confirms that “Cruise passe ngers made up the largest share of arrivals . . . .” Mr. Deputy Speaker, I do not propose to r ehearse the well -known statistics on the contributions of air versus cruise arrivals to the economy. That is a well-worn argument with which we are all famil iar. But Mr. Deputy Speaker, the welcome presence of cruise ships and their passengers must be complemented by an air arriving leisure component that justifies the marketing spend and strategy of the BTA and likewise stimulates the economy. Mr. Deputy Spe aker, this Bill has a direct causal connection to the restoration and development of additional air service for Bermuda. The groundwork has been laid for the public understanding of the i mportance of the redevelopment of the Fairmont Sout hampton Hotel and of the necessity of this Bill. I would refer Honourable Members to a Ministerial Statement made in this Honourable House in February by the Honourable Premier in which he said: 1“Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members will be aware of the reductions in air servi ce to Bermuda and the rationale publicly stated by our valued airline par tners. Their message is clear and we must heed it. We must address the seasonality of our tourism and r enew a targeted strategy of air service development. “Mr. Speaker, two essential elements are r equired to give us the fighting chance to address the airlift issues. In this regard I would refer Honourable Members to the [most] recent comments of the Pres ident of Skyport who, reflecting on the announcement of seasonal reductions in air service to Bermuda by JetBlue said, [and I quote:] ‘In addition to streamlining border entry requirements, getting the Fairmont Southampton Hotel property back online as soon as possible, are absolutely critical to Bermuda recapturing the optimum number of air passengers and ult imately safeguarding our air service options.’”
1 Official Hansard Report , 4 February 2022, page 254 Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would invite Honour able Members to note the following: • For the years 2016 to 2019, the Fairmont Southampton guests represented 12 per cent of Skyport’s total pas senger traffic . • The hotel’s employment was a high of 845 people, 77 per cent of whom were Bermudian . • The hotel housed 28.5 per cent of hotel guests arriving in Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have taken the time to reiterate matters which are in the publ ic domain because they must not be forgotten in the course of this debate. The Honourable Premier and Minister of F inance will speak to the terms agreed between the Government of Bermuda, represented by the Ministry of Finance and the owners of the hotel. But I wish to make it clear that an argument about Government sacrifice of revenue and that being a flaw of this Bill and this Government’s approach is nonsense. It is nonsense, Mr. Deputy Speaker, because when confronted with clear evidence of the i mportance of the hotel to airlift and air service development, when reminded of the millions of dollars paid by the taxpayers of this Island to Skyport because of lacking passenger numbers through the airport; when we know that hundreds of jobs can be created i n the construction, redevelopment, design and fit -out sta ges; when we know that hospitality careers can be d eveloped for Bermudians by this redevelopment and when we know how many sectors of this economy stand to benefit from the commercial trade that comes from a fully functioning hotel, it would be borderline criminal and undoubtedly tone- deaf to hide behind a revenue argument. This is far bigger than that. And anyone who fails to understand that is either being disingenuous or naïve. In fact, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it makes me wonder if those making this argument about how much revenue is being sacrificed would prefer that the Government not provide the tax relief as outlined in the Bill, and instead, have the hotel remain closed and pay out millions of dol lars in financial assistance to those workers who would otherwise be gainfully employed as a result of this redevelopment project. That may be what others want for the people of Bermuda, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but this Gover nment is determined to provide dignified work and ec onomic security for its people. Mr. Deputy Speaker, most of us, if not every Member of Parliament in this Honourable House, have constituents who will have the opportunity to benefit directly from the passing of this Bill. We are talking about jobs! Which Member or Members are prepared to knock on the doors of those constituents and say to them, I denied you that opportunity by voting against this Bill? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Honourable Members will by now have had the opportunity to review the provisions of the Bill and will have noted that the Bill
Bermuda House of Assembly proposes to grant to the developer relief from customs duty, hotel occupancy tax, land tax and the employer’s portion of payroll tax for a period of 15 years. The grant of relief is set out in t erms identical to the Tourism Investment Act 2017 . And Honourable Members will note that the criteria of applicability and qualific ation for relief , respectively, are set out as terms and conditions of the grant. Additionally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Honourable Members will note that the Bill specifically imports the relevant provisions of the 2017 Act to provide the necessary oversight and safeguards t hat ordinarily apply to the grant of relief in this way. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the grant of concessions in support of hotel development has been the r esponse of governments t hrough a financial marke tplace that has become wary of investment in hospital ity co nstruction and development. They are incentives, Mr. Deputy Speaker, designed to provide a counterweight to the aggressive stance taken by lenders who are concerned at the risky or slow rate of return on their investment. Modern luxury or resort hotel deve lopment, certainly in the 21 st century, must be suppor ted by such incentives. It may assist Honourable Members to take note of how other jurisdictions approach this process: 1. Barbados ’ Tourism Development Act 2002 makes a variety of provisions for the grant of similar and more expansive relief for hotel development , and in the case of customs duty and investment tax credits , was amended in 2004 to increase it to a period of 15 years. 2. The Bahamas ’ Hotels Encouragement Act provides duty free entry of approv ed construction materials, furnishings and fixtures for ho-tel development as well as provides for exemption from real property tax for the first 20 years of operation of a hotel or resort. 3. St. Lucia’s Tourism [Stimulus and Investment ] Act 2014 provides for the grant of concessions for a period of not more than 25 years. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I could continue to list the approaches of other jurisdictions but these three regional tourism success stories are enough to paint the picture. What we must do now is examine their tourism performance. A snapshot of each shows the following for 2019, the year against which many seek to make comparisons in measuring any tourism r ecovery: • Barbados had 966,000 visitors (their first decline since 2012) . • The Bahamas had 7.2 million visitors , of which 1.7 [million] were air arrivals and 5.4 million [were] cruise arrivals . • St. Lucia had 1.2 million visitors . • Bermuda had 808,000 visitors of which only 191,000 were by air . Mr. Deputy Speaker, the importance of the grant of concessions which fuelled hotel development in these jurisdictions is borne out by these numbers. But there is more to note, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Whilst the parameters of this Bill may not permit us to have a broad debate on marketing, relevance and seasonal ity, we can look at product and in particular, hotel product. In Barbados they have Sandy Lane, the Fai rmont Royal Pavilion, the Sandpiper, and more. In The Bahamas they have the Rosewood Baha Mar, the Four Seasons’ Ocean Club, and the iconic Atlantis. In St. Lucia they have the Sugar Beach and the Jade Mountain Resort. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I mention these properties because they represent what we need more of. The St. Regis and The Loren have made tremendous additions to our hotel stock and have complemented the Rosewood, Tucker’s Point and the Fairmont Hamilton Princess. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let’s not forget the Azura, a hidden gem of a property on the South Shore. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in these properties we have a concentration of luxury hotels, but our product offerings can and must be expanded to provide the choice that travellers demand and allow us to renew group business for Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I should also be clear that the destinations I have mentioned do not owe their success only to hotel product. This is a key el ement of success, but it is only one of them. This also may well be for another debate, but a hotel product without an event strategy or brand relevance that supports its price point is not enough to succeed. The hotel product is part of a symbiotic relationship be-tween relevance, events and price point. Our success will be defined by our ability to combine all those el ements. In basic terms, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we must have things to do. We must provide our visitors with value for the money that they spend. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Honourable Members will be aware that the site of the Fairmont Southam pton Hotel was the subject of a Special Development Order in 2009. I am advised that this Order remains valid and that subject to its provisions the owners are able to develop as it permits. I also understand, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that as part of a consultative process last year, certain entities met with the developers and were made privy to a conceptual rendering that varies from the devel opment permitted by the 2009 SDO [Special Development Order]. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me be clear beyond a shadow of a doubt on this point. Any development that proposes to go beyond the parameters of the 2009 SDO will be subject to the ordinary processes under the Planning legislation. As I will reiterate in Commi ttee, the Bill before this Honourable House makes it clear that nothing in the Bill shall be taken to modify the requirements of the Development and Planning Act 1974 with respect to obtaining an y planning permissions necessary for the hotel redevelopment. That could not be made any plainer. 1264 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Deputy Speaker, a hotel residential component is fundamental to modern hotel development and each of the local properties I cited earlier has such residences (save for the Fairmont Hamilton) and this is part of their attraction and the formula for their success. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Honourable Members will have noted that this Bill has a commencement provision . Mr. Deputy Speaker, that means that the provisions of the Bill will only be brought into operation once the Government is satisfied that all necessary provisions and conditions under the agreed terms and related matters have been fulfilled. This is not a prov ision inserted by accident; it is deliber ate. The Go vernment has spent innumerable hours, days, weeks and months hammering out an agreement that is designed to provide the maximum benefit to and for the people of Bermuda. That agreement will be honoured and this Bill will support that agreement. Mr. Deputy Speaker, recent commentary suggested that this Bill and the proposed relief provided was a rush job, being done “. . . in a hurry and with inadequate scrutiny.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, this is a classic tactic employed by those who fear the success of change. In the case of all aspects of this Bill and the wider construct of the terms, nothing could be further from the truth. Since my appointment I have learned that these discussions have, in fact, been taking place over the past three years and hav e occupied lawyers and technical advisors in several jurisdictions, meeting and negotiating through countless meetings on weekends, late nights and on holidays. However, Mr. Deputy Speaker, beyond the undeniable man- and woman- hours devoted to realising this redevelopment, the entire initiative falls squarely within the goals and objectives of Bermuda’s National Tourism Plan. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Honourable Members will no doubt recall that the National Tourism Plan was launched in 2019 and represented the results of leadership provided by the BTA, its Board and the Hon-ourable Members Jamahl Simmons and Zane DeSilva who respectively had charge of the tourism portfolio. Mr. Deputy Speaker, that Plan sets out a path to success by 2025. There is no denying that path has been interrupted by the pandemic, but the principles, goals and objectives remain sound. Mr. Deputy Speaker , a key success indicator of the Plan aims to have tourism contribute $1.2 billion to the Island’s GDP by 2025, requiring an average of 4.5 per cent growth in leisure visitors per annum. Having essentially lost two years of opportunity to achieve that growth, it is a definite challenge to meet that tar-get, but the development of the Fairmont Southam pton Hotel is the “shot in the arm” neces sary to make that concerted effort. Mr. Deputy Speaker, under the National Tourism Plan, that contribution to the Island’s GDP is to be achieved through advancing specific strategic pillars. There are seven pillars, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and for the purposes of this debate I would invite Honourable Members to focus on four of them: • Local Involvement —Growing through our people • Innovation—Thinking like a visitor • Teams and Groups —Growing through groups • Year -round— Embracing all seasons Mr. Deputy Speaker, the National Tourism Plan, although written in 2019, contains a call to action that is even more relevant today. It says in part: “. . . [M]any young Bermudians currently don’t see tourism as an appealing career. And many locals do not yet view tourism as vital to our economy. As the largest private sector employer in Bermuda, and a proven growth engine, we need to change these perceptions and engage all residents in the tourism i ndustry.” . . . “It is imperative that all parts of the community believe in t he importance of tourism and its ability to effect positive change for all residents.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, that community ou treach, that stimulus of interest in tourism careers, that engagement of Bermudians into the industry stands to be achieved with this project. The sheer quantity of jobs that will be available because of the hotel’s red evelopment will speak volumes to those persons seeking to start their working life, re- tool after another c areer or enter fresh into the industry determined to make it their long- term employment choice. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we must determine what it is that our visitors are looking for from their Bermuda experience. We must then ensure that we provide what they are looking for, as stated in the National Tourism Plan, ens uring that we all think like a visitor in anticipating and meeting their needs. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the spectrum of tourism stakeholders agree that our growth has been stymied by an inability to effectively compete for group bus iness. Within the pent -up demand for travel post - pandemic is the meeting/conference business. The return of a block of rooms of this magnitude will pos ition Bermuda for that opportunity. The BTA is purs uing a sports tourism strategy that forms part of this strategic pillar of the Na tional Tourism Plan. And the ability to add to that marketing effort with a clear group business strategy is key to tourism growth. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the National Tourism Plan describes the opportunity in this way: “Bermuda will become known as an excl usive, convenient and sought -after destination for specific groups —especially in the non- summer months.” That, Mr. Deputy Speaker, leads to the final strategic pillar of the National Tourism Plan to which I have invited the attention of Honourable Members: “Year -Round— Embracing all seasons”. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the National Tourism Plan refers to the “massive ebbs and flows” encou ntered by tourism -related businesses and sets a goal by 2025 for Bermuda to offer an attractive value pro position for visitors t o come any time of year; and sp eBermuda House of Assembly cifically indicates that success in this regard should be measured by “more than 56 percent of our arrivals will come from the non- summer months.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, a hotelier with whom I recently met gave the best answer to the question how to address seasonality. And they said [it was] as simple as, It’s about things to do! I endorse this view 100 per cent and will issue the challenge to the BTA to capitalise on golf as the anchor but to extend to art, fashion and film; things which are not weather - dependent and which will drive both group and leisure travel in those traditionally slower tourism months. I am pleased to advise this Honourable House that the owners of the Fairmont Southampton Hotel share this vision and as part of the redevelopment will incorporate direct strategies to eliminate seasonality and ensure higher occupancies in those months of the year. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if we can eliminate seasonality, another benefit is that the industry becomes more attract ive to Bermudians as a career choice as they will know that they are guaranteed employment for 12 months a year. This then feeds into the success of the pillar focused on local involvement and growing through our people. Mr. Deputy Speaker , in his forewor d to the National Tourism Plan, the then Minister of Tourism and Transport, the Honourable Member Zane DeSilva said this: “ . . . [C]onstant change now becomes the norm, and as we all know, there can be significant inertia to change. However, we must overcome any impediments to innovation and embrace a new mindset of change that will elevate entrepreneurs and i ncrease tourism’s attractiveness to our young people when they seek careers. The necessity for agility cannot be stressed enough.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, I like to look at it from the point of view that if we fail to change, we end up standing still ( or continuing with the status quo). If we are standing still , we are actually falling behind our competitors. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I wish to address one more issue. Since the tabling of this Bill, one of the sentiments that we have heard is that the Tourism Investment Act 2017 only caters to rich overseas i nvestors looking to develop hotels and the Government is doing nothing to assist the people of Bermuda i n this area. Mr. Deputy Speaker, that could not be further from the truth. The relief provided under the Tourism Investment Act 2017 [ TIA] is open to both overseas and local investors who wish to invest in the following: • a new hotel ; • a refurbished hotel; • a new restaurant ; • an existing restaurant ; and • an attraction. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Tourism Investment Act defines an attraction as , and I quote, “a site that residents and overseas visitors visit that has an ident i-fiable operation and management structure and can be characterised as natural, historical, cultural or manmade”. And it is this Government that brought this Act . . . and it was passed under this Government. There are specific criteria that must be met under each cat egory in order to qualif y for this relief. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Mrs. Rhonda Woods -Smith of the Tourism Regulations and Policy Unit will gladly assist interes ted individuals with any questions and provide them with the guidelines for the application process. Her email is rwsmith@gov.bm . And I am sure she appr eciates me putting that out there. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as Minister for Tourism, I am not only committed to promoting the development of hotels , I am also committed to the improvement of our tourism product. As the Premier and Minister of Finance stated earlier this year in the Budget Stat ement, we will be reviewing the Tourism Investment Act and I am looking forward to bringing amendments to this Act that will further assist with the revival and r ebuilding of the tourism industry and the economic r ecovery of Bermuda. In bringing amendments to the Act, it is vital that we incentivi se investors locally to invest in these types of products. Mr. Deputy Speaker, there is further support provided for the development of the tourism product for interested Bermudians under the BTA’s Tourism Experience Investment Programme . Qualifying appl icants can receive up to a maximum of $75,000 in support of their tourism -related venture. Details of this can be f ound on the BTA’s website gotoberm uda.com/bta. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Government has been providing training and assistance to local entr epreneurs and small - and medium -sized businesses for many years through the various programme s at the Bermuda Economi c Development Corporation [BEDC]. And we will be aware of their General Micro Loan Program and their loan guarantees , as examples. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in a 2019 Impact Report conducted by PricewaterhouseCoopers Advisory Li mited on behalf of the owners of t he Fairmont Sout hampton Hotel, it was estimated that, if this hotel was to close permanently the loss of contribution to GDP [gross domestic product] f or the years 2022 to 2025 would be an accumulated $404.1 million, . . . which is an average of $100 milli on loss on GDP per year. An accumulated $404.1 million loss on GDP over a four - year period! Mr. Deputy Speaker, that is a staggering amount. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if this hotel does not r eopen, there will be no business to tax. If there is no business to tax, there is no tax revenue to collect. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Government will have more tax revenue (both direct and indirect) with this hotel open and with this Bill passing than it will have without this hotel and without this Bill. Without this hotel, there are 1266 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly no jobs during the redevelopment phase or after the reopening. There is no group business coming to the Island. There is no enhancement of our tourism product, no improvement in our hotel bed capacity, no i mprovement in our attractiveness as a destination. Without this hotel we fall further behind our compet itors. Without this hotel there is less work for our taxi operators, less business for our restaurants and retail establishments. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if this hotel does not r eopen, we will hav e another massive structure, sitting empty and dilapidated, situated in a prominent pos ition on prime real estate, dominating the skyline for miles in every direction and spoiling some of Berm uda’s best vistas. Surely , Mr. Deputy Speaker, there are no Members of this Honourable House that believe [having an empty hotel] is a better alternative to passing this Bill, approving the tax relief and getting this hotel redeveloped and back open. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I commend this Bill for the consideration of this Honourable House, I urge the unanimous support of Honourable Members. This is the new mind- set of change that we must embrace. We have a responsibility to channel and deliver hope for the people of Bermuda; not to derail growth and opportunity against a backdrop of worn- out, tone- deaf arguments that are insensitive to the needs and aspirations of the people we serve. We are on the cusp of that social renewal and economic recovery that this Island so desperately needs and is counting on us to deliver. T he vote we cast today is not just a vote to pass a Bill, but it is an affirmation that we are pr epared to lead in these challenging times, defying our traditional reserve and resistance to change and taking a bold step to create opportunities for success f or the people. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers to this Bill?
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThank you so much. And thank you colleagues for the opportunity here to di scuss something that has become near and dear to all Bermudians as we hav e been moving through the passage of trying to revitalise our tourism industry. It goes without saying that the tourism industry has …
Thank you so much. And thank you colleagues for the opportunity here to di scuss something that has become near and dear to all Bermudians as we hav e been moving through the passage of trying to revitalise our tourism industry. It goes without saying that the tourism industry has been of much debate, going back to the establishment even of the Tourism Authority and trying to find ways, of course, to invigorate the market and to grow that contributor to our GDP that, I believe, is probably in the range of between 5 per cent and 7 per cent. We moved from being a tourism industry back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, and in the mid- 1980s we transferred over to a business jurisdiction, and we have seen the constant decline of tourism ever since, [with] some highlights here and there. So, yes, this can be a controversial subject. This can cause much speculation and concern when there is a lack of information. But I do believe that everyone is at the table today in earnest to ensure that Bermudians and Bermuda benefit from this particular industry. I can recall some time ago the pushback when it came to the rental of the Twizy and the likes so that tourists would be able to be in som ething that would be a bit more safer. A lot of pushback on it! And so I say to the Minister that this is just the beginning of a portfolio that he has decided to take on that is riddled with arguments, difference of opinions and he is living it now as we speak. Only to say that the Twizy now has become a huge success and now everyone wants to try and rent these things. So, as we move this debate today I believe that it is important that we set some things in context. I know that the Minister of Tourism has just simply taken over not too long ago so he is still getting up to speed on many of the challenges and issues that the industry is facing. I hold him at no fault for that. He is still trying to get himself afoot on many of the things that have taken place. But this whole [Fairmont] Southampton [Hotel] Act that we are debating today, quite frankly, has not come without its challenges as we have tried to move through to be successful in the tourism industry. I would like to be able to highlight some of the things that the Minister has said. I must say I would have preferred to have heard more substantial information coming from the Minister concerning this particular project. He spoke very clearly that he is almost working . . . that this Bill, as he mentioned, is a basic Bill, a simple Bill, which I probably would not charac-terise other than if I am looking at it in isolation, just looking at the concessions. Okay, well, fine. This Bill is simple. But the manner of what we are discussing really and truly is as he said: It is of national i mportance. That is not a simple matter. And to characterise it in that light manner does not in any way r eflect on the importance of what it is that we are trying to do today.
Bermuda House of Assembly So where are we today, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as far as Bermuda is concerned, and tourism and our economy? You know, we are billions in debt. And certainly COVID -19 has added to the complexities of our economy, [and not to] the diversification of our eco nomy. COVID -19 certainly di d not do us any favours. But what it did do is highlight the need to get and to be innovative as we move forward. You know, we are stressed, all of us as Bermudians, our own personal pockets. We are extrem ely stressed. The Government’s purse is stressed. And at the end of the day, we have a Tourism Authority needing to be subsidised, needing assistance from Government, and herein lie many of the challenges as we move out of this pandemic period and try to revita lise the economy. And one of these areas is t hrough tourism. Now, let me say this here, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I do not think there is anyone . . . well, I know for a fact that there is no OBA MP who is refuting that we need to get something done on that Southampton Princess and that this is of national importance. We have been there and done that during the 2008 reces-sion and trying to come out of the recession which continued on to affect us well into the 2012 year. We are well aware of the challenges of trying to get i nvestment into this country.
[Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Acting Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. L. Craig CannonierAnd so I am disappointed that we did not hear more details from the Minister. This is his portfolio. He is an astute Learned and Hon-ourable Member. I am sure he can be given information. We should not have to be waiting for som eone else to give us more …
And so I am disappointed that we did not hear more details from the Minister. This is his portfolio. He is an astute Learned and Hon-ourable Member. I am sure he can be given information. We should not have to be waiting for som eone else to give us more information and for that matter, in my estimation, to be giving us information at this point. If this deal is so good, as he is said, then we should be selling it. And we are more than willing, as the OBA, to assist in selling this project. We already support it in its basics as far as we need to get it open. When you look at the Bill itself and the specific con-cessions, I think there is room for improvement. And we will get into some of those details later and even as we get into Committee, [Madam] Acting Speaker (I see the change) we can get into some of those details. You know, the cruise ships are attempting to get back to sailing and the airlines are trying to figure out and be g iven a reason to increase their flights to Bermuda, and so we have got some challenging i ssues before us. And the Tourism Minister is going to have his hands full. This particular Bill has come with some complexities. That is why there are so many people adding to the comments. If you go online and you read articles in the newspaper and you read the blogs and you walk on the street, everyone really has got something to say about this particular Southam p-ton Princess Act, primarily because of the lack of i nformation, as opposed to it being very transparent and clear as to exactly what the Government is attempting to do here. This Bill is isolated. It only talks about the concessions. And I recognise that. It is not trying to go into the SDO or the . . . the M inister did bring up the SDO, and I am sure that they are looking to revise it. I do not know where they are with Gencom in trying to sign off on these things. But we know that this thing is fluid. And as it is fluid, it will be good to hear more i nformati on and get more statements from the Gover nment as to exactly what is going on with Gencom and what it is that they are looking for. Otherwise, we are leading to speculation. And that is really not where we want to be. I will follow up by saying that the c omplic ations here ––that the Southampton Princess Act has not come without its complications. And the Gover nment is well aware of that. So when the former F inance Minister, Curtis Dickinson, mentioned (and I paraphrase here) Let’s have an industry -wide look at tourism and come up with a plan, today was the first time that I have heard about $1.2 billion as something that was estimated to try and get to and contribute to our economy here by 2025. And forgive me if that was mentioned in some statement before, but it is the first time that some of us are hearing this. It would have been nice to have heard this before in the plan going forward. But certainly when the former Minister Curtis Dickinson was saying (I’m just looking at the quote here), Let’s have an industry -wide look at tourism and come up with a plan, to me that made sense. It made sense. Let’s not isolate each project in the industry, but rather let’s rethink what is necessary, and exactly what is needed.
[Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. L. Craig CannonierNow, some may argue or refute, but this appears to be some of his reasoning for stepping back. He said that, you know, this is the reason why I am stepping down. Whether or not there was a guarantee in place, there has been a lot of speculation because it …
Now, some may argue or refute, but this appears to be some of his reasoning for stepping back. He said that, you know, this is the reason why I am stepping down. Whether or not there was a guarantee in place, there has been a lot of speculation because it has not been very clear as to exactly where we are, and statements have been made that not enough information has been repeated in order for the public to be very clear on exactly where we are with Gencom as we move through this Act. Now, again, as I said, I would appreciate what the Minister has said when he says, and I am not tr ying to go into other projects . Basically that is what he was saying. We are looking at this in its simplicity, that these are concessi ons, and we need to be transparent here. We were looking for a meeting. I believe that a meeting was requested of the Premier, and I do not think . . . I was not a part of it so I don’t know. It did 1268 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly not turn out to happen in the timeframe that I believe our Opposition Leader was looking for. And so I believe that a reach- out was made and a meeting was had. But one of the challenges that I did have with the meeting was that it was not forthcoming with any real numbers. And so trying to understand exactly where Gencom is trying to take this, one thing is clear: They want to get this place up and running, and they have suffered through the pandemic in not being able to get on with plans as they would have had liked to. So we acknowledge that. We acknowledge that it needs to happen. And for the Minister to . . . and I just want to go back to his comments. I had to write them down. (Excuse me, sorry.) For the Minister to go on to say that, quite frankly, it is nonsense for anyone to say that this Bill is flawed and it is borderline criminal to question . . . what I would say to that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that I think it is nonsense to believe that people would not want to weigh in. I mean, I do not know any Minister (certainly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you know this position) who, when he is doing something is not going to come un-der a barrage of questioning with people trying to u nderstand exactly what is going on. To characterise the public as being nonsensical and borderline criminal does not add to the flavour of trying to get things done. I recognise and I understand where he is coming from, but then to say, Well, look, this is bo rderline criminal, when no information other than the incentives have been provided . . . no financials have been provided. And I recognise that back when we were Government, and rightfully so, the PLP as an Opposition demanded to have a fiscal financial report laying out the benefits of why we were giving incentives. They vehemently asked for it, as I look back into the Hansard. Today, to not be provided with any kind of addendum or annex or the likes of any kind of financial substantiating the incentives, could be considered as nonsensical. That could be considered as criminal, borderline criminal, that you would not give the public the opportunity to see what it is that you have been working on to get to the point that you are today. That’s why people speculate; because they do not have enough information. The speculation is, Are former Minister Curtis Dickinson’s numbers and what he believes right? Or is it the Premier who is right? Is it the current Minister? Is he right? Again, it is not new for the PLP; it is not new for the OBA. More information is required. And rightfully so. As I said, the PLP demanded more information. I will n ot go into all of the different projects, but we know that even [with] St. Regis [information] was demanded . . . Listen, where are the reports? If we are going to be giving up money here, where is the report substantiating this stuff? And we have nothing. I recall back then the information was put out that there was about $30 million in incentives that was going to be the total incentive package to the likes of St. Regis. We have no clue right now of the value of the incentives. We have attempted ourselves to look at it, and based on the numbers that we are looking at—and we are only speculating here because we do not have anything— it is around $100- plus million. I think we came up with a number of about $123 mi llion. And if there is a guarantee in place, what is it? And what kind of shape and form has it taken? Now, as I said, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I happened to have been a part of a meeting with some of the interests in Gencom that have not called it necessarily a guarantee, but that the Government would be backing one of the entities that is involved in securing this deal. So what we need to understand and know is what is the value of that and the shape and the co ntext of that? It would have been good in the opening statement by the Minister of Tourism to have that laid out already for us so as we go through this debate at least we have some information up front, even though it is at this late hour. But, again, as I said, we do not have anything that has been annexed. And in the past, and rightfully so, when the PLP was the Oppos ition they demanded these things. So let’s get this stuff on the table. Let’s practice what we preach and get on with the project at hand. I go back to my notes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You know, this whole thing is kind of like . . . you know the game Connect 4? Sometimes when you are pla ying Connect 4 you can get so involved in trying to connect your four, that you forget that there is a broader picture and scale here of the Connect 4 that you should be looking at. If you concentrate only on trying to get your own four together, then you might get caught out. And so we want to make sure that we can differentiate the trees from the forest. And Gov-ernment’s job is not only to look at the trees in the forest, but also to look at the fores t and the bigger pi cture. Today we only got a snippet of the bigger picture here which is what I believe the former Finance Mini ster Curtis Dickinson was alluding to. Now, you know, I am not going to get into the debate of that. I am hoping that the former Minister will speak today. I am hoping that he will give more details as to what he found and what he felt because I believe that the former Finance Minister, that ever yone, is at the table with clean hands here trying to make sure that we get this acros s the border and e nsure that what we estimate that this $128 million in concessions makes sense. Now, I will say this. In discussions and looking at Gencom and much of what they have had to say, one of the owners, Karim [Alibhai ], has been in the paper and he has spoken to some of the issues at hand, even reflecting on other projects which I made it very clear were a no- no for them to get involved in the political arena. But he did say this, and it was a Royal Gazette report where Gencom said that the airp ort
Bermuda House of Assembly was a game changer for them. He said that two years prior they felt that. . . and this I believe was in 2017. Sorry, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I should put where this came from. It was December 5, 2017. And it is titled, “Tucker’s Point Owner: Airport a Game Changer.” And he said that they were not interested really in Berm uda two years before, but as they got to talk more with Bermuda, and what was going on (and at that time we were the Government), he was intrigued and that his team was intrigued. I quote him as saying, “[The] airport was a major factor in the decision to buy the resort .” And he was talking about, at that time, Tucker’s Point. Now, what has transpired from that is the fact that they now want to get even further involved. And I believe that this has a lot to do with the OBA Gover nment, and I believe that this has a lot to do with the PLP Government in ensuring that we get this tourism product up and going. But let’s not avoid the facts here. He went on in the article to say this, Mr. Dep uty Speaker. He said, “When we looked at the different things that were being planned, we could come in, make the investment and get what we and our inves-tors need to make a retur n.” Now, I don’t have a challenge with the investor needing to make a return. W e know that they need to make a return. The concern that I have is, In what time frame? And what numbers are we talking about? So there needs to be some transparency to substant iate this particular deal in order for us to be clear that we are not giving aw ay the whole bucket here, the whole basket of goods. Now, I know —
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Unlike the airport.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierNow, I know, and I am sure that we are going to hear, Mr. Deputy Speaker, interpolations of other projects. I am not interested in that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There is enough mud to be thrown around. And I have been involved with thro wing around figures and numbers going …
Now, I know, and I am sure that we are going to hear, Mr. Deputy Speaker, interpolations of other projects. I am not interested in that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There is enough mud to be thrown around. And I have been involved with thro wing around figures and numbers going back and forth between the UBP’s projects, the PLP’s projects, the OBA’s projects. It is nonsensical, as the Minister said earlier, to delve into that kind of area because there is enough room to throw around and enough dirt to throw around. All I am saying is that the investor, Gencom, said that one of major reasons that he invested in Tucker’s Point was because of the new airport. That’s all I am saying. I am just quoting his words. And I am glad that they made that decision because now, as a PLP Government, they have the opportunity to expand on the generosity of Gencom in coming to the Island to invest more money into the Island so that we can get Southampton Princess up and going. Do not interpolate on the debate when no one is trying to go there. We are simply trying to get this thing done; to ask the right questions and get this done! With so little information, Mr. Deputy Speaker—
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYour point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is misleading the House, Mr. Deputy Speaker. To say that Gencom’s only —only—reason for investing in Bermuda—
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThat is not what I said. That is not what I said! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What did you say? I will stand corrected.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierYes. Why don’t y ou listen? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, don’t be rude. B ecause I can be rude too, you know, Cannonier.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMembers! Members! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You are the one to talk about somebody who doesn’t listen. You only got rocks in between your ears.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMP DeSilva, let’s keep this in the proper manner. Continue.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will clarify what I said. I said that this is one of the reasons, one of the major reasons, because he said the airport was a major factor. I said one of the major reasons why they invested. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat is the point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 1270 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you for that clarific ation. It is definitely misleading this House. To make a statement that Gencom said, and Gencom said …
What is the point of order?
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you for that clarific ation. It is definitely misleading this House. To make a statement that Gencom said, and Gencom said that one of the major reasons for them to invest in Berm uda was the airport is nonsense and is BS, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is nonsense —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMP, MP De Silva, he is only reporting what he said was told to him. And you got to take it as that is. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Deputy Speaker, what was told to him is third- hand information.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Table something that proves it.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes . . . now hang on. Hang on. Now stop it, please! Listen when I am t alking. That is the opinion that was given to him and he is just r elaying it. Yes, it is third -party hearsay. So, you take it as that. Continue, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierYes, thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. As a point of clarification, I wi ll read . . . I said I was reading from an article that was done in inter-viewing Gencom part owner, Karim , on December 5, 2017, (quote) “Karim Alibhai,” (I don’t know how to say his …
Yes, thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. As a point of clarification, I wi ll read . . . I said I was reading from an article that was done in inter-viewing Gencom part owner, Karim , on December 5, 2017, (quote) “Karim Alibhai,” (I don’t know how to say his last name well. I don’t want to mess it up.) “head of Miami -based internat ional hotel ” (I am quoting what he said) . . . “the airport was a major factor in the decision to buy the resort . . . .” That is what I said, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I want to be clear. Again, this is coming from an interview that was done of Mr. Karim [Alibhai] on December 5, 2017. So, with so little information—
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
[Pause]
Mr. L. Craig CannonierWas there something? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, yes.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierSo, Mr . Deputy Speaker, with so little information being given here so far today, it becomes extremely difficult to ensure that Bermuda, that we as an Opposition, and maybe even some PLP Members, I don’t know, that we get a very clear pi cture of exactly . . . …
So, Mr . Deputy Speaker, with so little information being given here so far today, it becomes extremely difficult to ensure that Bermuda, that we as an Opposition, and maybe even some PLP Members, I don’t know, that we get a very clear pi cture of exactly . . . we know what we are attempting to do here, but we need to be able to substantiate, as I mentioned before, quoting from the Hansard, where the Opposition when [the OBA] were Government, was looking for information. I want to make sure that Honourable Members know that homework has been done on this here. It was in the Hansard from the 2018 Act where it was brought up about a financial impact report that was requested in 2015 and that we were bombarded in 2015 for a financial impact report, which is on page (I am trying to find the number in the Hansard here) but it is in the Hansard of the 20 th of July 2018. So all I am saying is that if we are going to r equest . . . if the PLP as the Opposition was going to request this report, we are basically saying the same thing. It would be nice to have the report so that we could have perused it, taken a look at it. More information leads to less speculation. And that is really all that I was saying here, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will continue to quote, if I say anything that someone has said, I will continue to quote and not speak in third- hand of which I have not spoken third - hand as of yet. So, the question then is, as I asked, Where is the financial impact report? You cannot (and I quote PLP in the Hansard), expect for us to support the pr oject without it. We need to see the financial impact report. And as I said already, we have speculated that it is about $128 million in concessions that were given. If that is the case, that’s the case. But then substant iate it as we go forward. Let me . . . there was another article, on May 12, 2020, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in the Royal G azette. If you will, I would just like to read a quote from there. On May 12, 2020, the 2Honourable Member Finance Minister Curtis Dickinson [the Royal Gazette “In our Opinion” ] said, “Bermuda is facing financial disaster as a result of the coronavirus crises —a recession that will make the Great Recession of 2008 look positively buoyant by comparison.” So these will be desperate times. [The article went] on to say, “If groceries are not bought and rents, utilities and taxes are not paid, the whole economy grinds to a halt.” [The article] ends off by saying, “If the tourism industry is being shuttered” (and it has been shuttered, we recognise that) “and the prospects for international business are limited, then revenues will not increase.” So, with the former Finance Minister putting that out there, I think the question that then came to my mind was, All right. Well, we have got to find a way to generat e revenue. And sometimes, and we recognise that the best way to gain is to invest, and so as a Government, the OBA Government and as the PLP Government, we both recognise that sacrifices have to be made in order to get projects going forward. That goes wit hout saying. But here and now the un2 Royal Gazette “Doing the unthinkable” 12 May 2020
Bermuda House of Assembly derlying issues facing the tourism industry, quite frankly on a broader scale, is the cost of doing bus iness. The invariable effects of investment and how much the investors will seek to offset any investment is still a question when it comes to the Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act that we are discussing. One of the underlying issues for Government is this: loss of revenue. So as we have had to go and borrow money, unfortunately, because of the pandemic we had to increas e our borrowing, we needed to borrow more money, we are in an unenviable position and it has put tourism in an unenviable position, and it has caused Ministers of the likes now and even in the past, to have to consider certain things that normally they wou ld not have liked to consider. And because of that, I recognise, for the tourism industry in particular, hotel Bills and refurbishments are needed, badly needed. So we concur, Mr. Deputy Speaker, with the PLP Government that we want to get the Southam pton Princess up and going. I have had no issues with returns [on inves tments], as I said, by investors. That is the only right thing. Any of us who invest would know that we are all looking for a return. And so Bermuda, at this point in time in its tourism p roduct or industry, is a bright light to those investors who are looking to come in lean, get in and make an investment, and get their money back and move on. Now, in the meeting that I was attending one of the concerns that I did have, and I do still hav e with this Bill, is the 15 years. And hopefully as we go along and throughout this debate we are going to hear a little more as to why it has to be this. But it was clear, and for the Honourable Member who was interpolating earlier, this is a third- party, but it is coming from me in the meeting, I have no reason to fabricate the meeting at all. And Gencom can substantiate what was said. I asked the question, Well, when do you expect for you to break even here and to start making money? And I was listening very intently because they knew my concern was the 15 years. And let me just say this, it was well before the 15 years of the concessions. So I am hoping that as we go through this debate today, and I was hoping that the Minister would have—
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYour point of order, Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I don’t think the Member is intentionally misleading the House on this matter, but if he is going to say that he met with Gencom, the principals of Gencom, and they made that particular statement, …
Your point of order, Member.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I don’t think the Member is intentionally misleading the House on this matter, but if he is going to say that he met with Gencom, the principals of Gencom, and they made that particular statement, he should say who he met with. I think that would be only fair to Gencom and be fair to the listening public.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, but Member, he does not have to, you know. It is not a requirement that he states that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, I understand that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am saying for —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWell, that is not a point of order, Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, okay , sorry about that.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerNo problem. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But I thought that the Ho nourable Member would do just that. Be honourable. And state who he met with.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, but he does not have to. Thank you, Honourable Member.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I think that he can check with his Premier and the Premier can certainly allude who he met and let him know on his side who met. I know that the Premier is aware of the meeting. So he can check with his— Hon. E. …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. I have no idea to which meeting he is referring to . And I would certainly hope the Honourable Member would clarify whether he is talking about breaking even on the …
Point of order.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. I have no idea to which meeting he is referring to . And I would certainly hope the Honourable Member would clarify whether he is talking about breaking even on the hotel or recouping the amount that was spent on the investment, because they are two different things. Any hotel that opens will have a period of losses while things come up, before they start to make a profit versus the other point of it ins ofar as paying back all the money that was extended. So I sincerely hope he will clarify of that. But I have no idea of which meeting he is speaking about, Mr. Depu ty Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, be car eful of that because you are putting it as if the Premier was in the meeting with you. 1272 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, no, no, no.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierSure. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will clarify that. I was not alluding or suggesting that the Premier was in the meeting. I did say that a meeting request was asked of the Premier. It did not happen in a particular timeframe as to the Opposition Leader. And then …
Sure. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will clarify that. I was not alluding or suggesting that the Premier was in the meeting. I did say that a meeting request was asked of the Premier. It did not happen in a particular timeframe as to the Opposition Leader. And then after we sought a meeting with the princ ipals, it was from the Opposition’s mouth that he r epeated to me that the Premier was aware that we had met. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order. Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat’s your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourabl e Member, Mr. Deputy Speaker, just . . . I won’t say lie. But we all heard what he said. That is why the Premier came in like he did. He said, ask …
What’s your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourabl e Member, Mr. Deputy Speaker, just . . . I won’t say lie. But we all heard what he said. That is why the Premier came in like he did. He said, ask my Premier , he was there. So he needs to retract — [Crosstalk]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member. Honourable Member De Silva, that . . . we have gone past that point. We have clarified that, Member. You do not have to go back there. We have clarified that. The Premier made the point of order. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Thank you, Mr. …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHe clarified. We do not have to go any further than that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Cannonier, continue. We are not going to be entertaining a whole lot of point -of-orders on nonsense. Continue, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierYes, thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am attempting to be as transparent as I can on questions that were asked and meetings that were had, so I appreciate . . . I understand the questioning. And I appreciate being given the opportunity to give clarification on this. As I …
Yes, thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am attempting to be as transparent as I can on questions that were asked and meetings that were had, so I appreciate . . . I understand the questioning. And I appreciate being given the opportunity to give clarification on this. As I mentioned already, again, this is a very touchy subject for many, I know. But I am attempting to be as even- handed and transparent as I possibly can concerning the matter and the meetings that have [been] had. One of the challenges as we go forward, again, as I mentioned, is at this point in time, the Mi nister did say that information would be forthcoming. We do not have that information as of yet. We are debating the Bill as of right now. So here and now there are no details. And in order for us to be able to substantiate and give clear support, [for us to] give support to the project, but to be able to substantiate the numbers and feel comfortable in our support 100 per cent, then it would be important, it would be nice to be able to have more information. Unfortunately, because of the lack of information it leads to speculation. And at this point and juncture, you know, I would say titbits being given in the media, sound b ites being given in the media wit hout being able to substantiate certain things, has not led to what I would consider progressive democracy in being able to —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, you have to remember that this same debate as far as acces s to information that was never received happened during the time that the OBA was in power. So, you know, I think you just have to be careful of that. We do no want to be …
Honourable Member, you have to remember that this same debate as far as acces s to information that was never received happened during the time that the OBA was in power. So, you know, I think you just have to be careful of that. We do no want to be throwing stones at each other . . . [as if] it never happened.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierYes. I am mindful, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am not trying to throw stones. I am sim ply saying it would be nice to have more information at this point and juncture. That’s all I am saying. It would be nice to have more information and I take to heart, …
Yes. I am mindful, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am not trying to throw stones. I am sim ply saying it would be nice to have more information at this point and juncture. That’s all I am saying. It would be nice to have more information and I take to heart, Mr. Deputy Speaker, what you have had to say. So, you know, based on some of the specul ation that we are hearing, we are going to be giving away a whole . . . this is speculation of course that we are seeing in the blogs and the likes. We are giving away more. We are giving to the fat cats, [but] the people on the low end of the totem pole are still going to have to pay tax and the likes. It goes on and on.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierI do not want to belabour the point. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat is your point of order? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member needs to retract that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. First of all, he said what is going on in the blogs, and we are gi ving out to the fat cats. That needs to be retracted, Mr. …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThat is not a poi nt of order, Mr. De Silva. That is just a figure of speech. I am not offended by that. Continue, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like to draw our attention, if we will, to a recent article. And I want to t alk about synergies here between governments. A recent article on May 5, 2022 , in the Royal Gazette , where the Honourable Crystal Caes ar mentions, …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like to draw our attention, if we will, to a recent article. And I want to t alk about synergies here between governments. A recent article on May 5, 2022 , in the Royal Gazette , where the Honourable Crystal Caes ar mentions, on the bottom of the first page of the article . . . and I am avoiding all issues of investments under the OBA and the likes, the comments that were made there. But there is one comment that says, “Unlike the OBA” (and I am quoting here) “we have taken steps to ensure that the taxpa yer’s investment in Bermudian jobs and opportunities is not squandered.” And the Honourable Member goes on to bu llet-point those opportunities not squandered. “The creation of jobs and opportunities;” . . . “the res toration of hundreds of jobs;” . . . “Hundreds of beds added to our hotel stock.” And it goes on with a few things i ncluding “increased demand for travel to Bermuda.” These are all things that were considered, quite frankly, and I am not sure why the Hono urable Member said “unlike the OBA we have taken steps to ensure that the taxpayer’s investment.” All of these fall under the same criteria that The Loren, the St. Regis, and I might add, The Loren that was a new build and St. Regis that also was a new bui ld, took into the consideration the bullet points that were put down. Even to the one that was not accomplished and that was a large conference centre. When we were speaking with St. Regis, that was a concern of ours in trying to see if we could get a conference centre. But with the footprint that they had in their plan, it was not possible. So what I will say in this: I am quite happy that she has highlighted these things, but certainly they go no further than what we were doing to secure the same interes t. And that is, Bermuda, Bermudians and our economy. So I am not sure why that was put in there. One of the things that I am happy about with this project, in listening, because it has not entirely been said much in the public, [when] speaking to the principals, they really are looking for Southampton Princess to put on the table a conference centre. We know we are losing massive amounts of business to our neighbours that we can capitalise on, especially because of our proximity to the United States. And s o it was good to hear. I did not hear that from the Mini ster this morning, but it was good to hear that one of the main . . . well, I don’t know if was a main focus, but one of the focuses for Gencom in this project is the business of conferences that will be held by many, many companies and that they would have a facility that would accommodate that. That is a huge plus, a huge positive for us as an Island. And I know that the PLP supports it as well because they are going along with this project. This is much needed. So I guess I was a bit taken aback when I saw that this really did not add to the securing of anything that was different from what the OBA was doing. I know that in Committee we will get to certain parts of it. But I want to highlight some of the areas that I believe that we can improve, but we certainly will go into detail, Mr. Deputy Speaker, when we go into Committee. And some of those details go like this — and I have been public about it. I spoke to the princ ipals about it. Based on the i nformation that was given, that I supported the project to the nth degree. But for lack of information that was forthcoming, that it is supposedly forthcoming, for lack of information, I could not see extending beyond the tradition of the 10 years of concessions, extending it to 15 years. And I did say, Listen, why not do the 10- year concessions and if it is needed that you need more, then by all rights, submit and I am sure that the Government would oblige because it wants a successful hotel there. It want s to have these 590- plus rooms, close to 600 rooms, back on the table because we do agree that it will help with airlift. We do agree that it will help with many of the other contributing factors in the tourism industry. The taxi drivers, the tour guides, you name it. The underwater exploration scuba diving, you name it, it will add to that product. What was forthcoming as well was we heard that there was going to be, potentially, either an AW11, [rather] AW 12 -hole golf course, because they believed that at the end of the day they wanted to a ttract more of a fun- type course and the people who are very serious, like yourself, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in this golf, and Kim Swan, and the like, you could go to the other golf courses, Port Royal and the likes. So it was good to hear. I will not comment on the SDO. I will not comment on the number of residential units that they are looking to build because, out of respect for the 1274 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Minister, he did say that he wants to stick, basically, to the concessions here, so I am s ticking to that, but I will say this. There are many, many questions and the sooner that the Minister gets to the table, I would assume that there is going to be another amendment or the likes for the residential units, talking about concessions that are going to be forthcoming and we will debate that and deal with that when it comes. But it does lead to other questions that we have been asking. If this deal is so good, as the Mini ster has said, well, what are some of the other negoti ations things that hav e made it well said. I know that the union has weighed in and said that it is a good deal. So maybe they are privy to information that we have not been apprised of as of yet. What are some of those negotiated deals? What are some of the negot iated deals by the Labour Minister when it comes to building the hotel? We certainly know that within this particular Act it wants to ensure that 70 per cent are Bermudians . . . by the sixth year that it would have 70 per cent of Bermudians working there. We have amendments that we believe could add there. And I think that we when it comes to 70 per cent it should extend also to the property including any outsourcing of external services by the providers. One of the other areas that we believe that the Minister should seriously be looking at and making amendments is when it talks about the enhancing of training and the likes. It only speaks of management training. And I know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as a former president of the union, you are big on training. It is important, especially in this particular industry. And we know that there are so many other factors outside of just management itself. It would be a good suggestion for the Minister to go forward and to insist that training be done across the board. When it comes to the hotel staffing, I do believe that it is going to be a challenge to get back to the 70 per cent within the timeframe of, I think, of five to six years. It may be difficult, especia lly if you are starting out and trying to retrain people to get back involved in the industry, that can take some time. I do not know what happens if they don’t reach the 70 per cent. Certainly, as one of the cond itions, it was talking about if you do not have the 70 per cent of Bermudians by six years, you know, you forfeit some of the concessions. That is going to be a real challenge, because if the hotel is doing as much as it can and it does not get to that point by that period of time, we need to revisit that and maybe ahead of time say, Look, that’s the goal that we w ant. And we will do periodic reports and analyse to keep abreast of this here so that we ensure that we get to that point. But I do not believe that in five or six years, it may be a bit aggressive in hoping that we get to that point, but it is impossible to ask for guarantee of that because we do not even know if Bermudians are g oing to get back involved at that large . . . back to that point. Who knows? I don’t know. We do as much as we can to ensure that this happens as a Government, as an Opposition, but certainly that is going to be a challenge for any hotel to reach that point. I know that we were there —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Cannonier, if you know the history of that hotel, they will always have 70- plus of Bermudians there, right from inception.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI don’t think that is unrealistic at all.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierYes. The reason I am saying that is because the tourism industry has changed. It has become more competitive since we had that 77 per cent. And now that it has been closed, some people have fallen away. So, again, I am hoping that we get to that point, but …
Yes. The reason I am saying that is because the tourism industry has changed. It has become more competitive since we had that 77 per cent. And now that it has been closed, some people have fallen away. So, again, I am hoping that we get to that point, but it could prove to be difficult. And so hopefully the Minister will maybe put an annex in there that is going to say that we will annually record this here so that when that sixth year does come, you know, we are not having to lay down the axe to an investor who is attempting to do their best. One of the other changes that I believe in general, Mr. Deputy Speaker, was the change in pa yroll tax concessions. The payroll tax relief granted for Bermudian workers, there is no reason to grant the developers a multi -year payroll tax giveaway for all non-Bermudians. And I think that this is something that the Government can look at. Certainly, when w e are attempting to get as much revenue as we can, we understand the need to give concessions and payroll tax to the Bermudians, but maybe we need to consi der . . . and I don’t know the complexities. Maybe we can debate that. But maybe that is a good idea to look at the non- Bermudians, that the payroll tax concession not be extended in that format. But the highlight of this here, Mr. Deputy Speaker, really truly is that, I believe, the best way forward is to put it back to 10 years. And if they need an ex tension, and I will qualify why I am saying this here, if they need an extension, then they can apply for it. And the reason I am saying that is because there are other properties who may feel that they have fallen now into an industry that has not made it competitive for them. They have 10 years, or maybe less, when it comes to concessions. And they want to be able to have a fair footing when it comes to being able to get people within their doors as well. So, all of them will have to now, as the Mini ster has said, and I believe . . . I did not hear him back it up today, but I am taking him at his word that other hotels can ask for extensions on their concessions. But if we were to make it uniform across the board at 10 years, and that everyone who wants an extension can apply for it with a substantial validation of numBermuda House of Assembly bers, information that warrants it, I do not see why any reasonable Government who wants to increase the tourism industry to where they want it to be at the $1.2 billion —I think that is what was said. I apologise if I got that [wrong] —by 2025, knowing that we were set back by the pandemic.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member Cannonier, you have got about eight minutes. Do you want to finish and then we will finish after your eight minutes and then we will go to lunch?
Mr. L. Craig CannonierThank you. Thank you for the heads up, Mr. Deputy Speaker. What I am attempting to do is to highlight, quite frankly, some of the concerns, and I think the major concern that we are hearing is why the 15 years. And we do not, still to this date at …
Thank you. Thank you for the heads up, Mr. Deputy Speaker. What I am attempting to do is to highlight, quite frankly, some of the concerns, and I think the major concern that we are hearing is why the 15 years. And we do not, still to this date at this time, have any way of being able to substantiate why the 15 years. It may be legitimate. It may very well pan out to be the right thing to do, but we have no way at this point in time to substantiate th at. And so as we go forward, we will be supporting the renovation of Fai rmont Southampton Princess. In my estimation as the Shadow, I believe that the 15 years needs to be taken back to 10 years, and in the [event] that extensions need to be made, then those extensions should be made. I appreciate some of the comments that have been made by the Minister in somewhat attempting to clarify things, but I do believe that not enough clarif ication has come from the Honourable Minister. And, again, I don’t necess arily, entirely fault him. He is new. Just getting his feet wet. But I certainly would have expected, and I know that the civil service has been negotiating hard on getting the right deal here. I would have expected for the Minister to have given us a bit more information that would help relieve some of the challenges that we are having with the concessions. The industry is vitally important. And knowing that it only contributes about 5 per cent to 7 per cent of the GDP, what we do know is this. It hires thousands of Bermudians. And so as far as a financial contributor to the economy, it may not necessarily seem that large. But the impact of getting Bermudians back to work, the impact of being able to ensure that people at this particular time in our history, after a pandemic where many have lost their jobs and are looking for opportunities, that we do the right thing and get people back to work. There has been some question as to whether or not this is a construction Bill or is this a tourism Bill? The Minister did say that they are looking at a broader scope. I recognise also that the former Minister, Curtis Dickinson, did mention that he felt a broader scale needed to be looked at for the industry. And so we are looking for clarification of all these matt ers. Again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I appreciate this time. I do have . . . I probably could go into a few other things. One other thing that I do question, Mr. Deputy Speaker, one more thing. It was not clear within the Bill when it talked about this six -year period for land tax as to what happens after the six years. Is land tax being collected at that particular time? And we can go into Committee and ask some questions about that. But that was very glaring. We were not sure about the way the Bill was written as to whether or not after six years what is happening with land tax. Or is there already a concession in place that Gencom has when it comes to land tax? We just do not know. And it will be good to be able to clarify that. So, I would like to be able to hear a little more about that. I guess my time is probably up right now. But I appreciate this time, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And I hope that as we continue after lunch we can hear more from Members about this particular interest.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank yo u, Mr. Cannonier. Mr. Premier, do you want to move us for lunch. Hon. E. David Burt: Absolutely, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until two o’clock.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThe House is adjourned until 2:00 pm. Members , have a great lunch. Proceedings suspended at 12:33 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:00 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, in the Chair]
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood afternoon, Members. I trust you all have had a nutritious lunch. We are r esumi ng the debate on the second reading of the Fai rmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022. The next speaker would be the Premier, the Honourable E. David Burt. Premier, you have the floor. BILL SECOND …
Good afternoon, Members. I trust you all have had a nutritious lunch. We are r esumi ng the debate on the second reading of the Fai rmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022. The next speaker would be the Premier, the Honourable E. David Burt. Premier, you have the floor.
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FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2022 [Continuation thereof] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am grateful for the presentation by the Honourable Minister of Tourism. His framing of this debate provides the ideal point from which I can turn to the fiscal aspects of this redevelopment. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Black’s Law Dictionary defines fiduciary duty as, and I quote, “the duty to act 1276 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly for someone else’s benefit while subordinating one’s personal interests to those of the other person.” The parties to whom this duty of care is owed are the pri ncipals. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we in this House are charged with the duty to act for the benefit of the pe ople we serve subordinating our personal interests to the interests of the people of Bermuda who are our principals. There are some who might say this duty is more significant in the office of Minister of Finance. And there is an argument to be made in this regard. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that argument cannot be used as a shield to defend against the realities of leadership in these times. That argument cannot be used as a sword to strike out suggesting that one indi-vidual gets to define how that duty is discharged. That, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is not our system of Government. The duty to act for the benefit of the people we serve is equally on and rests as heavy on the shoulders of the Minister of Finance as it does on the entire Cabinet, our respective caucuses and ind ividual members. Each member must give an account of their stewardship to their constituents, and in the case of this Bill the q uestion to be asked is whether we are prepared to act to the benefit of our principals, the people of Bermuda, setting aside our narrow poli tical motivations. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the central theme of the Bill before this Honourable House and, in fact, the fundamental negotiation position of the Ministry of F inance on behalf of the Government of Bermuda is and has been maximum protection to appropriately mit igate risk. As the Honourable Member, the Minister of Tourism outlined, this Bill contains the oversi ght and protections set out in the 2017 Tourism Investment Act. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Honourable House and the people of Bermuda will painfully recall the reckless guarantee pledged by the former Gover nment in support of the development at the former Morgan’s Point. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the One Berm uda Alliance Government guaranteed 100 per cent of the debt financing for that project. I repeat, Mr. Deputy Speaker, they guaranteed 100 per cent of the debt with a guarantee that was put in place for that pr oject. The balance sheets of the Government of Bermuda confirm this decision was indeed reckless and now serves as a weight around the neck of the Treasury and the neck of the taxpayers of Bermuda. What is essential to note, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that th e Morgan’s Point project was not fully funded—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberMr. Deputy Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: —which means that the developers were relying on residential sales to earn the funds necessary —
Mr. Jarion RichardsonYes sir, I noticed that the Premier is looking . . . it looks like he is reading from prepared remarks. I tried to raise it on the chat. Is he reading from prepared remarks? Hon. E. David Burt: I am reading a brief on the Bill. Would you like …
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou are not the primary speaker.
Mr. Jarion Richardso nSo, I thought the primary Minister read prepared remarks. I didn't realise the Premier, as third speaker, was permitted to do the same. Hon. E. David Burt: I am referring to my notes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If the Opposition wants a full briefing in detai l, I am trying to …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes. Continue Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much.
Mr. Jarion RichardsonThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: What is essential to note, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that the Morgan’s Point project was not fully funded which means that the developers were relying on residential sales to earn the funds necessary to complete the project. So, Honourable Members, I …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: What is essential to note, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that the Morgan’s Point project was not fully funded which means that the developers were relying on residential sales to earn the funds necessary to complete the project. So, Honourable Members, I want to set the table. The former Government guaranteed 100 per cent of the debt for a project that was not fully funded without the necessary and requisite protections that were needed to protect the taxpayers of this country. They cannot escape that fact. And no matter what excuses may be made by the party opposite in this debate today, those are the facts. And it was left to this Government to clean up that mess. This Gover nment will not make the same mistake. In this deal, from the start of the negotiations, this Government has stated that any Government support of t he project would require the development to be fully funded. Mr. Deputy Speaker, there has been much discussion in this Honourable House and in other places around the country about the size and scope of Government support of this project. It has been stated that the Government will provide a guarantee to assist the development of this project, which is undoubtedly
Bermuda House of Assembly of national importance. What has been a fierce matter of debate is whether or not there was an agreement to provide the Fairmont Southampton de velopment with a guarantee as part of a 2019 agreement to purchase the hotel. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I can confirm, just as the Honourable Member for constituency 21 confirmed in his personal explanation of March 25, that there was a commitment to provide a guarantee. Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that commitment was subject to conditions. And yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, those conditions were not met. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is important to note why those conditions were not met. And that is because we all know w hat happened in March of 2020 —a once- in-a-century global pandemic. Any d eveloper would have struggled to raise funds at a time when the future of tourism was in doubt while the world battled the coronavirus and countries had closed their borders. Mr. Depu ty Speaker, that letter of intent expired in December of 2020. In 2021 the Government, in response to a question from the media, replied, and I quote, 3“The Government of Bermuda has not pr ovided, and is not committed to provide, any form of financial guar antee to Westend Properties Ltd, Ge ncom or any other companies related to the Fairmont Southampton hotel.” That was factual, because the letter of intent had expired. The government was not under any condition to provide or any commitment to provide a guar antee. Additionally, Members have raised questions as to why no guarantee was tabled in this Honourable House in line with the requirements of the Gover nment Loans Act 1978. That is simple, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as guarantees are only tabled in this place when they are fully executed. And given that the guarantee commitment never [progressed] to be fully executed it would not have been tabled in this House. Therefore, it was accurate to say in March 2021 that no guarantee was provided. However, Mr. Deputy Speaker, despite the expiration of the letter of intent the developers kept working to put together a package that would complete the reopening of the hotel. Mr. Deputy Speaker, much noise in made about whether myself or the Honourable Member for consistenc y 21 are correct. And Bermuda’s daily newspaper has relished in running stories with questions about who is telling the truth. To put aside all doubts so that this debate today can focus on the facts and not conjecture as rumour and innuendo–– [which] is not what the people this country elected us to focus on–– I will for the information of this Honour able House and the people of Bermuda table the letter of intent executed by then Minister of Finance on behalf of the Government of Bermuda that supported the purchase of the Fairmont Southampton Hotel by Ge ncom in 2019.
3 Royal Gazette , 11 March 2021 As part of the negotiations to support the purchase of the hotel in 2019 the Government committed to providing, subject to conditions, credit support in the amount of $50 million to take the for m of a Government guarantee. At that time, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the project was estimated to be a $300 million project, which included the purchase price, hotel renovation and the working capital necessary to ensure that the project was a success. The proposed $50 million guarantee was to represent 17 per cent of the pr oject’s total cost at that time. Mr. Deputy Speaker, during the time between 2019 and 2021 when the project was brought back to the Government, the developers expanded the scope of the hotel to add more amenities such as an additional pool, additional areas for meeting spaces to bet-ter aid the project success and to make this hotel a truly iconic property to enhance the tourism product here in Bermuda. It was the intention of the developers, t he lenders, and the Government to have a deal agreed upon in December 2021. And it was my hope this agreement would have been announced in this place before we adjourned for the Christmas break. But that did not happen. What is also essential to note, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that the more time that went on where there was no agreement the more difficult finding an agreement became. And why is that the case, Mr. Deputy Speaker? We have all witnessed the global supply chain challenges brought on by the pandem ic, the increases in shipping costs, and the increasing cost of materials. All of these put additional pressure on the developers. And, in addition to additional inter-est costs that were being incurred, the need to come to an agreement became even more urgent. Mr. Deputy Speaker, no deal is perfect. And there were three real options that faced the Gover nment of Bermuda: The first, demand that the develo pers downsize the project to remove the additional amenities that were added. The second, require the developers to put even more additional equity into the project than the additional equity that they had already committed since 2019. Or the third, enhance the Go vernment’s credit support to ensure that this redeve lopment took place and the hotel reopened. Mr. Deputy Speaker, there was a fourth option. And that was to not reopen the hotel and let it sit there as a monument to Bermuda’s tourism past. But that was never under consideration by the Cabinet, as we all know how essential the Fairmont Southampton is for our country’s tourism future. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will repeat what I said earlier. We in this Honourable House are charged with the duty to act for the benefit of the people we serve, subordinating our personal interests to the interests of the people, who are our principals. So yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Cabinet decided to extend the period of concessions to ensure that this hotel redevelopment with its intended investment in jobs, with its intended 1278 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly investment in jobs, airlift and additional reve nue to the Government could become a reality. And yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I decided, supported by my Cabinet colleagues, to increase the size of the guarantee gi ven the increased project size, scope, increasing costs, and the need to get this deal done. Mr. Deputy Speaker, governing is not easy. But what I want for the people of this country is a bright future. And this Government will fight for that future. Mr. Deputy Speaker, given the above facts which set the context for the decisions the Gover nment w as required to make, I can advise this Honourable House and the public that the redevelopment of the Fairmont Southampton Hotel is to be supported by a Government guarantee. That guarantee is proposed to be for a maximum (and I will speak to this further, later) of $75 million, which represents 21 per cent of the revised costs of the total capitalisation of the pr oject which is now estimated at $376 million. Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that 21 per cent is more than the 17 per cent in the 2019 agreement. However, this li mited exposure on behalf of the Government of Berm uda is in direct contrast to the actions and decisions of the OBA Government symbolised by their former Mi nister of Finance where all the debt was subject to a guarantee and who, after taxpayers w ere required to pay over $200 million, unashamedly said that he would do it all again. Mr. Deputy Speaker, just as it was in the 2019 commitment, which I tabled in this Honourable House earlier, the mechanics of that guarantee will see this $75 million loa n to the developers and the repayment of the loan financed by the taxes collected through the operation of the hotel. Let me repeat Mr. Deputy Speaker, because this is important. The mechanics of the guarantee will see that the $75 million loan to the developers and repayment of the loan is going to be financed by the taxes collected through the operation of the hotel. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, there is no tax giv eaway for wealthy foreigners. What we have is a structure crafted to ensure that all parties do everything possible to finish the redevelopment and open the hotel for operations. Taxes will be collected in the usual way. But they will be used for the repayment of the guaranteed loan which will have been used to r edevelop the hotel. That redevelopment will provide jobs and more tourists for Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this structure known as tax incentive financing is common in many developments around the world, and I suspect this hotel will not be the only hotel to use this form of financing, as the Honourable Minister responsible for Tourism will look to advance additional Tourism Investment Act orders to renovate the existing property or build new hotels in Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in this i nstance this loan is being guaranteed by the Gover nment of Bermuda as in this particular setting it is recognised that having Bermuda’s largest hotel with the capability of accommodating large groups upgraded and fully operational is critical for Bermuda’s tourism economy and critical for Bermuda’s future. Mr. Deputy Speaker, getting to this point has been the result of considerable time invested in negotiations to achieve the best deal for the people of Bermuda having co nsidered all of the relevant risks and benefits. As a Government we learned from the pas t and focused on ensuring that there were appropriate protections in place. However, during the negotiations, to come to an agreement we also worked on adding additional benefits for the people of Bermuda that were not part of the agreement I tabled in thi s Ho nourable House earlier today. One of those additional benefits is a profit -sharing component within the deal so the people of Bermuda can benefit from any future success of the hotel. The agreement in place calls for 10 per cent of profits in excess of the equity invested into the project to be shared with the people of Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in the PLP’s 2020 election platform we promised to, and I quote, “Create a national fund called the Bermuda Trust Fund that will benefit economically disadv antaged Bermudians to reduce generational income inequality.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, the proceeds of this profit sharing will be pledged to the Bermuda Trust Fund on behalf of the people of Bermuda. The Progressive Labour Party Government believes that if the Go vernment supports projects of this nature on the people’s behalf with a sovereign guarantee, then the only benefits to citizens cannot just be the opportunity to work in construction or hotel operations. There must be a lasting legacy and a benefit to future generations. And in this revised deal we are sealing this legacy. And I look forward to bringing legislation to establish the Bermuda Trust Fund to this Honourable House in the future. Mr. Deputy Speaker, also in keeping with the Progressive Labour Party’s 2020 platform, this Government is keeping its commitment to build a nation of owners. This revised agreement advances that objective by making provision for Bermudians to directly invest up to $10 million in this hotel redevelopment. If the amount of this investment is fully subscribed, the guarantee amount pledged by the Government of Bermuda will decrease from $75 million to $65 million, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is time for a new par adigm and for us to approach these situations differently, and to allow Bermudians to invest in major local projects that are guaranteed by the Government. We have listened to the concerns expressed by Bermudians who wonder why they do not have the opportunity to invest their own hard- earned money in Government supported projects in their own country. In this agree-ment we will work to turn that desire into a reality. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Bill represents yet another step in the move to close the financing for this
Bermuda House of Assembly project as it is part of the fram ework that will facilitate the renovation and upgrading of a hotel property that is a central part of Bermuda’s tourism sector. The development plan for this property will create a luxury resort with first -class amenities aimed to increase Bermuda’s attrac tiveness as a tourism destination and play a critical role in the rebranding of our tourism product. In this project the Government is partnering with the developer with significant experience in the tourism industry who has successfully built and operated hotels in key tourist destinations in the US, the Caribbean, and Latin America, and since its inception has completed directly or indirectly over $7 billion of real estate transactions, including the Rosewood Bermuda at Tucker’s Point. That level of exper tise was vital in determining the nature and scope of support that the Government was willing to give to this project, as these developers understand what is necessary to make a hotel property work and they have experience in the Bermuda market. Mr. Deput y Speaker, as noted earlier it has taken considerable time to negotiate a deal that, if successful, represents significant upside for Bermuda. Still, in an effort of complete transparency, as in any case involving a guarantee there is a risk to the Governm ent that this guarantee could be called. The Government would have to find the funds to either buy out the other lenders and complete the renovation work or work with the other senior lenders to directly complete the project. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the critic al factor here, unlike the situation with Morgan’s Point, is that the property already exists and the work is being done to enhance and to upgrade the property. Ther efore, in a worst -case scenario the plan, in case of diff iculty, could be scaled back and s till provide benefits for people of Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I close I would certainly like to address some questions from Honourable Members of which were raised and also I would certainly like to address the statement that was made by the Leader of the Opposition in a press statement yesterday, where he said that the Government would be giving up revenue that could be used for other pur-poses. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me answer that question in two simple ways. The first (and I think that ev eryone i n Bermuda understands this, with the exception, clearly, of the Opposition), is that if there is no hotel operating which is supported by this Bill there are no taxes. You cannot give up something you do not have. If there is no hotel operating there are n o taxes. Simple! This is also important, Mr. Deputy Speaker: The Government would earn more money if this hotel were to open with this Bill than if it remains closed. That means that this Bill earns money for the Go vernment and the country; it does not lose money for the Government and the country. And that is an i mportant distinction. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if this hotel is not to be redeveloped the impact on our economy is significant. There will not be the 650 direct jobs in construction; there will not b e the estimated 800 total jobs when the hotel opens for operations. The tourism sector is a feeder to many other industries —taxi drivers, souvenir shops, restaurants, sightseeing shops to name a few. Those businesses will lose out on additional tourism dollars, and you would still have to pay Skyport the minimum revenue guarantee costs, which has cost taxpayers more than the $43 million that we have al-ready had to pay. This is really the lost revenue to the Government, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and there is no tangible benefit to offset it. So it is straightforward, Mr. Deputy Speaker, without this Bill the Government loses, businesses lose, families lose, union members lose, individuals lose, and Bermudians lose. On the other hand, Mr. Deputy Speaker, if the hot el is redeveloped the Go vernment and Bermuda will benefit. The Government will collect revenue from the employee payroll tax from the estimated 800 staff expected to be employed, which would not be collected if the hotel remains closed. The Government will collect customs duty on items not related to the development and upgrades, such as different things to support the operations of the hotel. The Bermuda Tourism Authority will get more money from the visitor fee, meaning they could e nhance the marketing efforts for the Island. Bermudian businesses will benefit from increased visitors to the Island who will spend money around Bermuda. And, most importantly, the Government will no longer have to pay Skyport for the minimum revenue guarantee and financial ass istance for those who find emplo yment at the hotel. Again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Bill is not a money loser; it is a money earner for Bermuda. And the success of this project will put the country in a bet-ter financial and economic shape, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The questions of which were asked earlier, which I addressed earlier in my brief, stated that this money is not going to the developer. This money is going to pay off the guaranteed loan to ensure that we are protec ted and that this hotel can be built . The calculation, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that the tax concessions would amount to $121 million. But guess what, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That covers the payment of the loan which was expected, and if interest rates change, almost about equally, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That is what we are looking at, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, when we talk about this it is no surprise that in other countries that are able to build hotels . . . but we cannot agree amongst ourselves that we must increase, match the concessions, do what other countries are doing to make sure we could attract that i nvestment. But we are not afraid, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We are not afraid to press forward, because I know that your constituents, my constituents, and every si n1280 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly gle one of our constituents want the jobs and the opportunity that this hotel provides. So again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, based upon the release last night from the Leader of the Oppos ition the Opposition wants to have it both ways. But they cannot. They either support the reopening of the hotel or they do not. There is no in between, Mr. De puty Speaker, no middle ground. If they support the reopening they will support and vote for this Bill today. If they do not support this Bill today the hundreds of Bermudians who will be employed by the hot el both in construction and when the hotel reopens and the multiple businesses who support hotel operation, the taxi drivers who transport the guests who will stay at the hotel, will always remember that the One Bermuda Alliance did not support the Bill in Parliament necessary to reopen Bermuda’s largest hotel. Mr. Deputy Speaker, remember when we were in Opposition? We supported the St. Regis development. And guess what, Mr. Deputy Speaker? That Bill gave tax concessions in excess of what was allowed in l aw at the time, and contained the provision for an extension of those concessions to 20 years, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, what the Opposition is talking about, they are trying to have it both ways. The work we do in this Honourable House matters, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And the jobs that will be provided will pr ovide hope for a better future for the people of this country who believe in a better future for this country. We have been through a lot Mr. Deputy Speaker. But today we can demonstrate our unity. And we c an advance this project in the interest of the people who put us here in this Honourable House to grow this econ omy to restore hope in a bright future. So Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I finish I must take this opportunity to thank the team at the Cabinet O ffice, the team at the Ministry of Finance, my Cabinet colleagues, the team at the Bermuda Tourism Author ity, the leadership of the Bermuda Industrial Union and other stakeholders for their tireless efforts and work to get us to this point. There is still more work to be done. But today's progress and the passage of this Bill today genuinely signals that we are moving beyond the pandemic and on the path to economic recovery. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you very much, Honourable Premier. Are there any further speakers? Any further speakers? I recognise the Honourable Member Lawrence Scott. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know you are from Hamilton Parish, and that they aren’t as churchgoing in Hamilton Parish …
Thank you very much, Honourable Premier. Are there any further speakers? Any further speakers? I recognise the Honourable Member Lawrence Scott.
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know you are from Hamilton Parish, and that they aren’t as churchgoing in Hamilton Parish as they are in Warwick. So, when I say Matthew 5:[37], it might not be readily available to know what that verse says .
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI read it. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: That verse says, Mr. Dep uty Speaker, to let your ye a be your yea and your nay be your nay. It is disappointing, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the Opposition are out in the press and even earlier today in this House stating …
I read it.
Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: That verse says, Mr. Dep uty Speaker, to let your ye a be your yea and your nay be your nay. It is disappointing, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the Opposition are out in the press and even earlier today in this House stating that they support the Bill on one hand, but then try to point out negative aspects , and s eemingly only point out the negative aspects of the Bill . Yesterday in the press the Opposition Leader said that there is an approximation of about $100 million to $120 million in foregone revenue over the course of the next 15 years . But, Mr. Deputy Speak er, I think it was that same Member (who is now Opposition Leader , and former Leader of the Government ), MP Cannonier, who sat in Cabinet and collectively agreed that giving away $1.3 billion . . . let me repeat that number agai n, $1.3 billion or $50 mi llion a year —$1.3 billion in foregone revenue for the next 30 years for us to have a new air terminal was a good idea. So, for the Opposition to even suggest that this Bill represent s something along the lines of a bad deal is laughable, at best . And, once again , they will say that and then follow that up by saying, But we support the Bill . Let your ye a be your yea and your nay be your nay. Mr. Deputy Speaker, now I am going to go very briefly somewhere that I know you are not fami liar with , and it is the Mar vel Cinematic Universe . In the Marvel Cinematic Universe there is such a thing called a multiverse. The best way to explain that is if you were to break a mirror and each piece of that mi rror represents different realit ies that are all happening at the sam e time . So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, let’s just say somewhere in the multiverse out there is a uni-verse where the Opposition is actually correct ; that the $100 million that they talk about over 15 years could be better spent elsewhere. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I sit here today knowing full well that this Ministry alone, the Ministry of Transport , has received a proposal from an international entity outlining a quarter of a billion dollar i nvestment in Bermuda. Let me break that down . There is an entity that wants to invest $250 million into Bermuda. That proposal is currently being vetted and going through the due diligence process , and if approved could see shovel s in the ground as soon as next year . Therefore, even if the Opposition were correct , which they are not , that the $120 million could have been better spent elsewhere, this is just one step in the greater picture of a strategy to get Bermuda back to where we used to be and then move forward from there.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know you have heard it said befor e that there is no tourism without transport and that the Ministry of Transport ’s goals right now are focus ed on creating an environment where job creation is favo urable . Our focus is also on balancing job creation and employment between the two pillars of our economy , international business and tourism , and facilitating to have this country enjoy 1,000,000 arrivals annually starting in 2025/ 26. This Bill today is an integral part of that . And let me explain why that is to those who are not familiar . The Fairmont South ampton in 2019 attracted approximately 55,000 visitors annually . Just a few thousand visitors shy of our entire population in one year. That is approximately 9 per cent of available airline seats to Bermuda. And if each one of those 55,000 people contribute d approximately $100 to Skyp ort it helps to mitigate the risk of us paying an MRG. So if you take the 55,000 individuals and each one of them pay s $100, you get $5.5 million in tax fees and revenue that goes to Skyp ort that does not have to c ome out of the government ’s coffers . Fifty - five thousand people represent roughly 12 per cent of our total 2019 air arrivals . In 2019 air arrivals for the airline load factor averaged roughly 70 per cent to 73 per cent, meaning airlines were coming in 70 per cent to 73 per cent full. However , without the Fairmount Southampton load factors are hovering around 58 per cent to 61 per cent. In order for us not to trigger this MRG, which is a product of the bad deal that the Opposition Leader and the Opposition got us into that is costing us $1.3 billion over the next 30 years , in order for us to not trigger that we need to see at the very least 65 per cent load factors or higher . Mr. Deputy Speaker, for those in the back of the room , in order for us not to trigger the MRG , for us not to have to pay millions of dollars a year , which we just as of last month had to transfer another $3.1 mi llion, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and in order for us not to have to transfer $3.1 million this quarter or millions of dollars next quarter and millions of dollars in the quarter after that , in order for that not to happen, airline load factors have to be at least 65 per cent. Therefore, Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Bill getting Fairmont Sout hampton Princess back up and running, getting people back employed, hundreds of Bermudians back into employment , will also lead us not to have to have to pay the MRG . Once again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, let your yea be your yea and your nay be your nay. Don’t sit here and say we support the Bill but . . . Don’t sit here and say I support the Bill, but I don't like this . If you are going to support the Bill , you vote for the Bill . If you vote for the Bill , you speak in favou r of the Bill . Don’t sit here and say I’m going to vote for the Bill , but I’m not going to speak in favou r of it , because what you do is cheapen this process altogether , Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I challenge the O pposition to call for a vote at the end of this . I challenge the Opposition to go on record so that people can see where they actually voted , and what they vote d for, if they voted f or or against the Bill . Because if they vote against the Bill , Mr. Deputy Speaker, they vote against the stimulation of outward/ inward investment in Bermuda, meaning they voted against people investing in Bermuda, they voted against Bermuda looking at sectors to have our people go back to work , they are voting against job creation. A vote against this Bill is a vote against the creation of employment opportunities for hundreds of Bermudians. A vote against this Bill is a vote against increasing airlift . A vote against this Bill is a vote against mitigating our risk of paying the MRG to Skyport . Let your yea be your yea and your nay be your nay. Now, if you are going to vote for the Bill , as I said before, speak for the Bill . If you're going to vote against the Bill speak against the Bill . But don't sit here and say that you are not in favo ur of this but you are going to vote for it , because you are confusing people. You are sowing seeds of confusion, and you are being disingenuous. You are not, in the opinion of some people, being an honest broker . You are now trying to relegate this —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat is your point of order, Mr. Cannonier? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig CannonierI think . . . well, I was going to say not intentionally , but it is intentional . He is misleading the House. Just because someone questions matters of the Bill does not mean they do not support it. This is not a monolithic situation here. We have all …
I think . . . well, I was going to say not intentionally , but it is intentional . He is misleading the House. Just because someone questions matters of the Bill does not mean they do not support it. This is not a monolithic situation here. We have all different opinions about the same thing. But we are on the same side of wanting it done .
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThat is not a point of order, Mr. Cannonier. I understand your observation.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierI did say he is misleading the House, [when he says] that we are not on the same side.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWell, what he is saying is that you are saying you support it, but . . . you have the “but” that is what he is saying.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierMr. Deputy Speaker, if I might be indulged, that is the process . If we have 1282 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly questions we should ask the questions . And that is all we have done.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerUnderstood. Thank you Mr. Cannonier. Continue, Minister . Hon. W . Lawrence Scott: Matthew 5:37, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Let your yea be your yea and your nay be your nay. If you are going to vote for the Bill say , I'm going to vote for the Bill and support …
Understood. Thank you Mr. Cannonier. Continue, Minister .
Hon. W . Lawrence Scott: Matthew 5:37, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Let your yea be your yea and your nay be your nay. If you are going to vote for the Bill say , I'm going to vote for the Bill and support this Bill . It is a good deal; it is the way we need to go. And, yes, there might be a question over there. But that is not enough for us to now not support it. That's not what I have been hearing. That is not what heard yesterday on the news . That's not what I heard from any of the Oppos ition Members here today , clearly saying we support it, and we love it, and it is going to move us forward. It is always under a cloud of questions and innuendos. Therefore, if you cannot clearly support the Bill there are some who are only left to believe that you are relegating this imp ortant decision to nothing more than a political football trying to straddle the fence, so we can't let the Government look as though they are doing something good. Previously a Member talk ed about their own party ’s track record and tried to project that on to us . When we were in the leadership role, when we were making the decisions , we didn't do this step but we want you to do that . That is not saying that [they] support the Bill. That is trying to make it seem like we are skipping steps . Two years, Mr. Deputy Speaker, have gone into us getting to this process . That is not a fast pace by any means of the imagination. Mr. Deputy Speaker , there are other implic ations to what is being said not just here in this House in relation to this Bill , but also in the media. As I said before, I know first -hand , as Minister of Transport , that there are serious investors outside of Bermuda who see us as a good and secure investment . They see us as a place where they want to put their money . They see us as somewhere wher e their investment can grow and multiply in value. And they are watching how we, not just as a Government but as a people , treat new d evelopment s, how we process new investments , new ideas and concepts , and how these ideas are received not just by us as Government members , not just by us as Members of Parliament , but us as Bermudians . Is Bermuda really open for business ? This Bill says yes . Does Bermuda really want to be competitive? This Bill says yes . Is the Government serious about getting Bermudians back to work ? This Bill says yes. Anybody who says otherwise is either misinformed themselves or misinforming the public . Both are a trazety . . . a travesty. Sorry . (These 15- point Scrabble words get me sometimes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That's why I use the New I nternational Ver-sion instead of King James Version Bible. You know all about that , Mr. Deputy Speaker.) But I would not be surprised if this Bill is just the first in a line of Bills coming to this House to facilitate out ward/inward investment in the country . I would not be surprised if this Bill is just the first in a line of Bills in tourism -related investments and improv ements . I would not be surprised that if in the coming years we see outward/ inward investment coming to this country by land, sea and a ir. Bermuda is back on the map. I kn ow this first -hand ; I have been in the meetings . And there is nobody that is going to contr adict me when I say that . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I want us to look at this for what it is . It is getting our people back to work, ge tting our product to be once again in a competitive way and to look at this beyond just one individual situation . For far too long people have said that the Government needs to look at things holistically and put things t ogether and make sure that this country runs like a well-oiled machine. As a pilot, I know how important it is for one system to work with the other and to amplify the next so that you get to go where you want to go, how you want to get there, in the manner you want to . And this is part of our strategy to get us back there. I can’t stress this enough. And I am purposely being repetitious on that because repetition is the best form of indoctrination. Meaning, Bermudians out there who heard our voices as a Government the last two years , altho ugh we were fighting the pandemic we were also laying the foundation for the future of Bermuda so we could use this set back of COVID -19 as a set up for a comeback . And this is the beginning. There is light at the end of the tunnel . And that light gets br ighter and brighter. And it is not just a second coming. It is a renaissance. It is a revitalis ation. It is sort of shining up the jewel —which is Be rmuda—in the Atlantic for all to see. No, we will not hide our candle under a bushel. Mr. Deputy Speaker, can I ask that the offering plate be passed around at this time? In closing, Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Bill is what everybody has been asking for . This Bill does exactly what we promised we were going to do. We said we were going to get people back to work . We are doing that . We said we were going to get Fairmont Southampton Princess reopened. We are doing that . We said that we were going to revitalis e air service development and bring back air arrival. We are doing that. We said that we were going to show t he people that Bermuda is open for investment and a good place to invest and safe for investment . We are doing that. Anybody who speaks badly about this Bill or speaks against this Bill is once again, as I said, voting against outward/ inward stimulation and investment for Bermudians, against job creation, against employment opportunity for hundreds of Bermudians, and against increasing airlift , and against mitigating our risk of paying the MRG for Skyport. So if you are not going to
Bermuda House of Assembly vote against it , don’t speak against it ; don’t leave this to be a political football . Let your yea be yea and your nay be your nay. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Scott . Thank you so much. Are there any other speakers ? Are there any f urther speakers from the O pposition ? Is the Opposition finished speaking?
Mr. Jache AdamsMr. Deputy Speaker, I was going to base my c ontribution this afternoon around three quotes. I read a few articles last evening that inspired me to cue the fourth My first quote today will come from the 44 th President of the United States . President Barack Obama famously …
Mr. Deputy Speaker, I was going to base my c ontribution this afternoon around three quotes. I read a few articles last evening that inspired me to cue the fourth My first quote today will come from the 44 th President of the United States . President Barack Obama famously said that the future rewards those who press on . He said “ I don ’t have to feel sorry for myself . I don ’t have time to complain. I'm going to press on.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, “press on” is exactly what this Government has done and will continue to do. Mr. Deputy Speaker , I will not bel abour the point of the profoundly negative impact that COVID -19 has had on Bermuda, and the entire world for that matter . But it is important to first establish a bit of colou r, a bit of background as to where we are economically . Mr. Deputy Speaker, during these unprec edented times we find ourselves managing a situation where some are requesting tax relief whil st others are depending on those tax dollars for the assistance they desperately need. All of this is happening at a time when the country borrowed its maximum dollars to cover the Morgan’ s Point deal and COVID -19-related expenses . Therefore, we simply cannot afford to borrow any more. We are in a situation where less [money] is coming in to provide assistance and more [money] is going out to provide assistance at a time when we simply cannot afford to borrow any more. Mr. Deputy Speaker with this being our ever yday reality as a Government , still we press on. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the people of Bermuda have been asking for affordable housing and so we invested in the Harmony Hall project and recently upgraded the former police barracks at the East End. We recently completed some major renovations and properties in the West End. These properties are used to provide affordable housing for our seniors and are used for emergency housing for those in dire need, and they are also used for alternative options for those low -income families . Mr. Deputy Speaker, that is why I am proud of our Government, because these accomplishments will not make the same headli nes. They will not receive the same social media attention. They will not be the hot topic of the talk shows. But we don’t have time to feel sorry for ourselves. We don’t have time to complain. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we simply press on. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I can remember for my entire life Bermudians, in particular elder Bermudians, imploring that this country reinstitute a trade or tech school so that some of our young men and women could learn the necessary skills to be masons and mechanics and electricians and plumbers. People have been calling for further investment in our artists and athletes, enhanced programmes for those inter-ested in hospitality and insurance. This Government has listened and has worked diligently. And starting this upcoming September w e will roll out signature schools that will accomplish just that. We will begin to roll out signatures schools that will accomplish just that. This is not political rhetoric. Despite the economic challenges we face, we are producing results. So we don’t have time to feel sorry for ourselves [or] time to complain. We simply press on. So now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as the Gover nment continues to check off its election promises I am excited that it has brought us to this very Bill today, because, once again, des pite the limited resources , the global economic threats, a declining and ageing population, this Government will close the largest h otel development project in Bermuda’s history. We will see hundreds of Bermudians employed. It will signif icantly help to stimulate our economy and overall enhance our tourism product so that we remain compet itive and protect one of our economic pillars. Mr. Deputy Speaker, today is a fantastic day. I look forward to speaking to my constituents of the employment opportunities that will come of this. As the chairman of the BEDC [Bermuda Economic D evelopment Corporation] , I look forward to speaking to entrepreneurs about the opportunities that this pr ovides them. I look forward to this project actually hel ping to stimulate and im prove our economy. I will r emind those listening about what the Premier said in the Budget Statement , that if we outperform estimates there will be more relief available to the people of Bermuda. 1284 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Deputy Speaker, we appreciate the words of President Obama as this demonstrates that the f uture truly does reward those who press on. Mr. Deputy Speaker, my second quote today actually is from you, believe it or not. You recently said in the House, and I believe you hit the nail on the head, you said in negot iations you never get all that you want. To me it is worth repeating because it arti culates our understanding that this deal will not be perfect for us, and it will not be perfect for those with whom we are negotiating. But experience has shown us that the best deals are often when both sides can find a way to come to the middle for the greater good. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I speak of the greater good because it is incredibly predictable for the Oppo-sition to label this a bad deal by highlighting the pr oposed 15 years of tax relief. It is incredibly predictable. But it does not take long for the average Bermudian to understand that when you consider the increased pa yroll tax, the increased customs duty received from the food consumed and the energy consumed and other items consumed with this hotel, when you consider that we potentially will no longer be paying Skyport, when you consider the potential reduction in financial assistance, or amounts paid out in financial assi stance, the significant visitor spending recognising that those who arrive via air spend on average six times more than those who arrive via cruise; when you co nsider all of these items , it becomes painfully obvious that our focus on this deal as we progress has been done in good faith or is being done in good faith certainly for the greater good of the people of Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I mentioned, I threw in a last quote. And it comes from MP Dunkley who asked on March 4 in this House , 4“And how about we embrace a new way of politics and actually work together a bit to get things moving forward? Let us stop the fighting over red and green, let us fight for Bermuda. ” Mr. Deputy Speaker, many of my colleagues called me naïve, that I actually believed him. I be-lieved that the One Bermuda Alli ance were prepared to work together so that we can move forward, or so that we can move things forward in this country. And on the eve of this debate where we are discussing the benefits of this particular project, it was brought to my attention two poorly written articles bashing this particular deal. So, once again, the OBA has shown their true colours, because those articles lacked thought , lacked accuracy and perhaps most importantly lacked the spirit of togetherness they were requesting only a few week s ago. So, finally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, my fourth and final quote is often credited to Bob Marley. He was only singing the words of the Jamaican National Hero, Marcus Mosiah Garvey, who said, “We are going to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery because
4 Official Hansard Report , 4 March 2022, page 489 whilst others might free the body, none but ourselves can free the mind.” The reason I mention the quote, Mr. Deputy Speaker , is because while my colleagues before me, and, I have reasonable confidence, those after me will speak of the many benefits of the project, it is critically important we do not overlook the key component, which is the opportunity for Bermudians to become owners of this hotel. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if we are to close the economic gap that exists in this country, if we are to build on the legacy of those who fought before us, if we are determined to establish a generational wealth [provision] for our families, we must first see ourselves beyond just being customers and workers. So with this deal under the leadership of our Premier, t he Government has ensured that there is a path for wor king Bermudians to own Fairmont Southampton Hotel. Mr. Deputy Speaker, gone are the days when opportunities such as these would benefit the few. This Government clearly laid out in its 2020 election platform that we are committed to building a nation of owners. Many would ask, How will this be done? Well the Premier sort of stole my thunder, but we plan to establish the Bermuda Trust Fund on behalf of the people of Bermuda. And the f und will receive a p ortion of the profits of the hotel. So what this means, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that we are ensuring that you do not have to be rich or save for many years to participate. Government is determined to find ways for workers in this country to have a piece of ownership of this hotel. Gone are the days Bermudians are being looked at as just the customers and the workers. “A Nation of Owners,” Mr. Deputy Speaker . Let that be the headline. So as I close Mr. Deputy Speaker, I commend the Premier, the Minister of Finance, and his team. I commend the Minister of Tourism and his team; all of the civil servants and my Government colleagues, and certainly all of those who contributed to getting us to this point. So that there is no question, let it be known that this is unquestionably a major accomplishment for this country. It has my unwavering support. Thank you.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you MP Adams. Are there any further speakers? Is the Opposition going to participate in this debate? It seems not. Okay, any fur ther speakers? So I can close this . . . yes, MP Dickinson. You have the floor.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, six weeks ago I deli vered a statement by way of a personal explanation setting out the reasons for my resignation as Minister Bermuda House of Assembly of Finance. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in that statement I advised this Honourable House and the …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, six weeks ago I deli vered a statement by way of a personal explanation setting out the reasons for my resignation as Minister
Bermuda House of Assembly of Finance. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in that statement I advised this Honourable House and the people of Bermuda, and I quote, 5“the quantum of and form of the Government’s support of the redevelopment of the Fairmont Southampton wer e the primary reasons b ehind my resignation.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, this legislation is among the reasons for my standing down. Let me state at the outset, contrary to the views expressed by the Mini ster of Transport, that it is indeed possible to not support this Bill but still be in support of the redevelopment with Fairmont Southampton. I do not believe it needs to be said, but I will say it anyway . In this Ho nourable House we are a democracy and we are ent itled to differences of views. I now intend to pro vide context on the reasons why I am not in support as a participant in this debate. Before I address those specifics, I would like to reiterate another part of my personal explanation, and I quote. 6“Mr. Speaker, first and foremost, I want to make it abu ndantly clear that I was, and still am, supportive of a level of financial support for this pr oject. There truly are numerous potential benefits of renovating and reopening a large, iconic hotel of this nature, especially at this time where economic recovery is vital. These include immediate and significant stimulus, construction and related economic activity, a large number of future hotel jobs, and a large increase in hotel room inventory, which could help support more visitor demand and airlift capacity over time. “However, Mr. Speaker, I was and continue to be unable to ignore the principles and judgment gained through my ov er 30 years of experience in i nvestment and commercial banking.” I would add, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that within that 30- year career I have raised tens of billions of dollars of financing that has resulted in the creation of hundreds of thousands of jobs. Now, my specific concerns: Given the Government’s fiscal position the proposed legislation is too generous. Let us start with the exis ting legislation. Under the existing legislation, which provides for up to 10 years of relief, the developers would be entitled to between $59 million (using the Government’s adv isor’s model) and $66 million (using Gencom’s model). This relief will be in t he form of hotel occupancy pa yroll tax and land tax relief. These figures do not i nclude approximately $60 million of custom duty relief that the project would be entitled to during the course of the redevelopment. When including the custom duty relief the total value of the Bermuda Government’s support , through concessions only, in other words not including any value that may be generated for r educed borrowing costs associated with the provision of the Government’s guarantee, would total between
5 Members’ Proof Hansard, 25 March 2022, page 17 6 Ibid., page 18 $75 millio n and $82 million, assuming a 10- year co ncession period. With the new proposed legislation, which contemplates 15 years of relief, the developers would be entitled to between $98 million (using the Gover nment’s model) and $117 million (using the developer ’s model). These figures, again, do not include $16 mi llion of customs duty relief that the project would be entitled to. When including the customs duty relief, the total value of the Government’s support through con-cessions only, in other words, not incl uding the value that would be generated through reduced borrowing costs, the total is approximately $114 million to $133 million. The extension of these concessions from 10 to 15 years will provide the developers with incremental value of between $39 milli on and $50 million. And these are additional costs that will be borne by the people of Bermuda. A second concern, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is that there is no limit on the quantum of these concessions. They are open ended. Under the terms of the existing Speci al Development Order the developers are allowed to develop hotel residences which would entitle them to the same customs duty relief and concessions on payroll tax, occupancy tax, and land tax that they receive for the redevelopment of the hotel. These amounts would be over and above the figures that I mentioned above. In other words, the value of these concessions, or foregone Government revenue, could be greater than the $114 million to $133 million that I mentioned earlier. We have no idea what the quant um of these incremental costs to the people of Bermuda will be. Thirdly, there exists a strong potential for further incremental costs. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will be guided on this matter by a formal legal opinion on an issue where there are different poi nts of view. That issue is the Most -Favored -Nation provisions contained in the Master Development Agreement for the St. Regis property. I am of the view that the Master D evelopment Agreement between the Government and the St. Regis owners provides them wit h an opportunity to be equalised for the provisions of the existing legislation. The developers of St. Regis are currently benefiting from a 10- year concessions framework. Passage of this legislation may give rise to additional benefit entitlements to thos e developers, the cost of which is currently unidentified. Additionally, I believe that there is a risk that other hotel operators may approach the Government for retroactive relief. We have seen this in the case where the owners of both Rosewood Tucker’s Point and The Loren, who had previously been entitled to five years of concession relief under the Hotels Concession Act 2000, sought and received approval to be entitled to the benefits under the more robust Tourism Investment Act 2017. 1286 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Again, Mr. Deput y Speaker, we are flying blind here on what the potential cost of this legislation will be to the people of Bermuda. Fourthly, what is the deal? Today we are b eing asked to approve this legislation, which I under-stand to be a critical part of the Government’s deal with the developers. Yet, as of this sitting we, as legi slators , remain unaware of the specifics of that deal. How can we in good conscience allow ourselves to approve legislation without knowing the contours of the overall Government deal? Why are we committing ourselves to a course of legislative action without knowing the totality of what we are giving to the developers? We are committing to giving someone more than $100 million without having an understanding of what more is to come. What is the rush? Why are we doing this now? Mr. Deputy Speaker, a common feature of debates, like the Government’s support of major pr ivate sector projects, is the back -and-forth exchange of criticisms of the prior administration’s negotiated deals. We have seen it here today. We have seen it more recently on Mor gan’s Point, at the airport pr oject, and I suspect if given more time I could list prior PLP Administration initiatives that have been the sub-ject of criticism from the Opposition. In the spirit of advancing the quality of the debate on these matters and stopping the cycle of the perpetual finger -pointing, would it not be wise for the Government to provide Honourable Members with more comprehensive i nformation on all of the aspects of the deal so that we can all provide the support that our tourism industry so badly needs? The Government has engaged professional advisers to assist in the negotiations with the developers. Given the significance of the potential overall commitment by the Government, would it not make sense to share their advice with Honourable Members? Sixth : Is this legislation in the interest of the people of Bermuda? Mr. Deputy Speaker, again I refer to my March 25 statement where I stated the follo wing, and I quote, 7“the redevelopment of the Fairmont Southampton, in my view, is a national strategic initi ative; one that requires that the Government be pragmatic in its approach to any support. However, the national strategic importance does not give justific ation to the abandonment of best principles. To be clear, I want to see the successful redevelopment and reopening of the Fairmont Southampton Hotel. A r edeveloped hotel will see investment in Bermuda’s economy, the creation of construction jobs, the re - employment of many hospitality w orkers, and the r eturn of paying guests; all told a positive impact on Bermuda’s economy.”
7 Ibid., page 19 Mr. Deputy Speaker, I can understand the desire to get the Fairmont Southampton reopened, redeveloped, opened for business. We all have an obliga-tion, in the executi on of our responsibilities as leaders and legislators, to protect the interests of the people of Bermuda. There have been discussions of the ben efits that this project will bring to the Island and our people. I do not believe that there is anyone who di sputes those assertions. There are also significant costs and risks. A risk- free or cost -free solution is not being sought. Instead, what I am looking for is a sol ution that seeks to provide support while protecting the interests of the people of Bermuda. I do not believe that this legislation does that, as we have not been given sufficient information to make such a determination. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in simple terms, the Government and the people of Bermuda will be providing this project with between $180 mi llion and $200 million of support, assuming the inclusion of a $75 million guarantee. A significant question that r emains unanswered is, What is Westend Properties’ contribution to this transaction? I suspect that it is nowhere near as much as the people of Bermuda are being asked to put at risk. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it has been suggested that those who have concerns or who oppose this legislation are disingenuous or naïve and may not be looking out for the interests of Bermudians, especially those who are employed in the hospitality sector. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will respond to those comments by pointing out the following: While serving as Bermuda’s Minister of F inance I led the team that paid local contractors who had been left unpaid by the developers at Morgan’s Point. I led the team that took steps to pay the wor kers at Fairmont Southampton when their owners r efused to honour their obligations. And I have led the team that put in place an unemployment benefit programme for the benefit of workers who w ere negatively affected by loss of work brought on by the impact of the COVID -19 pandemic. Mr. Deputy Speaker, with the greatest of r espect my bone fides on representing the interests of employees , the people of Bermuda, are clear for all to see. Any suggestion that my lack of support for this Bill is based on a fixation with the numbers or a lack of concern for the interest of Bermudian workers is not hing more (if I can borrow a word from the Minister of Tourism) than nonsense. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it has also been suggested that a portion of the concessions do not go to the developers but instead go into a bank account used to pay the $75 million of guaranteed debt. Are we really suggesting that there is no benefit to be r eceived by the developers on this front? For the abundance of clarity, the debt is owed by the developer. And while the concession money may not go into the
Bermuda House of Assembly developer’s hands, it is being used to repay their debt, or for them to get a benefit. Mr. Deputy Speaker, with the burgeoning national debt and little remaining debt capacity under the current debt ceiling, the Government needs to be judicious on how it decides to forego future revenue. We are at a reflection point , and everyone is watching to see how we move forward. Our people are watching. Our industry partners, both domestic and internation-al, are watching. And our bond investors are watching. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is my view that the existing concessions framework is more than enough to provide support to the developers while also preser ving the public purse. I cannot in good conscience support this legislation. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, MP Dickinson. Are there any further speakers? The Speaker recognises the Honourable Mi nister of Labour and Economy, Mr. Hayward. You have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I listened carefully to the submission of the former Minister of Finance. The former Minister of Finance asked …
Thank you, MP Dickinson. Are there any further speakers? The Speaker recognises the Honourable Mi nister of Labour and Economy, Mr. Hayward. You have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I listened carefully to the submission of the former Minister of Finance. The former Minister of Finance asked one important question: Why are we doing this now? I will attempt to answer that particular question. The former Minister of Finance also indicated that he is looking out for the best interests of the people of Bermuda. I do not question that. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the former Minister of Finance was in the best position to assure that we had an outcome in the best interests of the people of Bermuda, and that ind ividual walked away from that position. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we waited as a team for this deal to be closed, without any success. So, to ask why we are doing this now, it is because we have waited for far too long for the former Minister of F inance to close this deal and he was unable to do so.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonMr. Deputy Speaker, I r egretfully have to do this, and had hoped beyond hope that I would not have to do this — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What’s your point of order?
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson—but my honourable colleague is — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What is your point of order? What is it?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. De Silva, let me run the meeting please.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonI believe that my honourable colleague is unintentionally misleading t he House. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to deliberations that happen in the Cabinet Chambers —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Dickinson, you have made your point of order.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYou said you thought he was unintentionally misleading the House. Minister, continue. Hon. Jason Hayward: Why are we bringing this now? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Fairmont Southampton Princess is a tourism pillar in our economy. It is Bermuda’s flagship hotel in our fleet of local hotel accommodations. Fairmont Southampton Princess, Mr. …
You said you thought he was unintentionally misleading the House. Minister, continue. Hon. Jason Hayward: Why are we bringing this now? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Fairmont Southampton Princess is a tourism pillar in our economy. It is Bermuda’s flagship hotel in our fleet of local hotel accommodations. Fairmont Southampton Princess, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is an economic hub. It is one of the premier business establishments in our country. It is the best place to host both local and international conventions. It represents a significant portion of our Island’s bed count. It supports our Island’s airlift and it provides significant support to the international marketing of Bermuda as a first -class tourism jurisdiction. The BTA estimates that Fairmont Southampton Pri ncess is responsible for 25.0 per cent of our hotel rooms, 28.5 per cent of all air arrivals that stay in hotel accommodations, and 9.0 per cent of our total airlift. And we are asked the question why are we doing this now? This hotel is important to our economy. It is a critical compo nent to our community. Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is not uncommon for new hotel develo pment s worldwide to receive incentives from a gover nment. Incentives are there to support and stimulate hotel development. The level of incentives has to be proportionately w eighed against the economic benefit that is derived from that development. We have to [consider] both the short -term and also the long- term assessment of the benefits and support of that development. Any rational person who looks at and weighs out the economic benefit of that hotel being open will conclude that this development is in the best interest of this country. This hotel development, Mr. Deputy Speaker, will have a direct impact on our local economy, an indirect impact on our local economy and an induced impact on our local economy. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Department of Statistics produces what we con-sider to be a tourism satellite account. It actually measures the value added of our tourism industry. It 1288 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly talks about the value added derived from the direct, indirect and induced benefits of any hotel product in our economy. Just to shed light on what I am talking about, direct impact includes hotel revenues derived from room revenue, food and beverage revenue, from both banquet and restaurant services and revenue received from other hotel amenities. These revenues are not generated on their own. Employees are r equired to generate those revenues. As it pertains to Fairmont Southampton Pri ncess with close to 800 employees , 70-plus per cent of them are Bermudian employees. When we celebrate International Workers Day, and then we celebrate Labour Day and we thank workers for the hard work and dedication, and their contribution to making Bermuda a success, the workers at Fairmont Southampton Princess are inc luded because it is the work that they do to make that a first -class tourism accommodation that drives economic activity throughout the rest of this Island. These employees work in a large variety of jobs, whether it be desk service jobs, hotel administr ation, front desk agents, porters, concierge, doormen, bus service jobs, cleaning and maintenance jobs, housekeeping, hostess, waiter service, cooks, chefs, event planners, wedding planners, marketing indivi duals, and the list goes on. We talk about economic growth, development and the expansion of jobs in this economy. Here is a project that brings economic growth, it brings economic development, and it brings the expansion of jobs in this economy. And we are determining whether or not the incentives we prov ide to achieve our outcomes measure up to the economic benefits? As it pertains to the indirect impact, let’s talk about the telecommunication services that go into supporting that particular hotel. The utility company services that support that hotel. The support provided by wholesalers and retailers. The Minister of Transport said that hotel is responsible for 55,000 guests. Mr. Deputy Speaker, you tell me how many additional hamburger s a wholesaler needs to import to feed 55,000 guests. And what happens when you do not have that additional 55,000 to 60,000 guests? It [causes a] strain on every business in that hotel supply chain. Landscaping companies are supported, transportation services, travel agents, tour operators, our retail sector is supported, and persons who are vendors and suppliers of leisure services. The i nduced impact of that hotel includes the actual wages that are paid to those employees . With 70 per cent of those employees being Bermudian, those wages are spent directly into our economy for rent, utilities, and all other local consumer purchases. The Minister of Tourism stated that the ec onomic benefit lost equates to $100 million a year for that property not being open. When I look at the quantum of the tax concessions , whether I use t he former Finance Minister’s numbers, Gencom’s numbers, or the Opposition’s numbers, those tax concessions on an annual basis equate to less than $10 million a year. Over a 15- year period, if we [do not have this] hotel we [will] lose $1.5 billion, accordi ng to the est imates. [If this hotel opens] w e receive $1.5 billion of economic benefit for our investment over that same period of time in terms of concessions at best around $150 million. And that is using the high end of any estimate that anybody is comi ng forth with. You [might] ask one to rationalise making that decision , whether or not t hat would be like trading off $10 mi llion a year for $100 million a year. But here is the kicker, , Mr. Deputy Speaker. In an 18- month period, we spent over $80 million in unemployment benefits. That is almost the quantum of the tax concessions we are giving to a property that will generate over $1.5 billion over a 15- year period to our economy . I am going to say this again: Anybody who has some sort of rational thought can conclude that this may not be the best deal for the country, but it is a good deal, because the best deal means that you want to minimise your incentives and maximise your return. But in my former life I was not a banker ; I was a negotiator. And I rec ognised that there is give and there is take. And I had to weigh out what I was prepared to give for what I was supposed to get in return. We gain more in this deal than we give away. I will reiterate: This is a good deal for this country. Let me say anot her thing. We take foreign direct investment for granted. Companies can spend $300 million elsewhere. We ar e competing with the rest of the world. We are not competing with the next hotel development down the line. So it is a bad thing when we look at one hotel concession versus the next and what we gave to St. Regis versus what we gave to Morgan’s Point versus what we gave to The Loren. That is not our competition in terms of who we are competing with in terms of attracting investment. We are competing wit h the rest of the world. And we need to ensure that developers choose Bermuda because they can spend the capital elsewhere. We have to be welcoming to business. We cannot just automatically assume that we have this infinite value that investors around the world know about. Foreign direct investment is important because it supports economic growth and development, it supports the expansion of jobs within the economy, it supports economic diversification. And it is important for a government to ensure that w e have an environment, an ecosystem that is welcoming to that foreign direct investment. We need to tell the world that we are open for business so that we can attract more developers to our shores, so they can invest in more products. And with this deal t he Government i s informing investors that we are open for business , that we are prepared to do what it takes to get the benefits that we require on behalf of the people of this country.
Bermuda House of Assembly So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in closing, I support this Bill 100 per cent. I think it is important that we show the world that we are open for business. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister Hayward. Thank you very much. Are there a ny further speakers?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, the Chair recognises the Honourable Member Susan Jackson. Miss Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My concern today is focusing more on the humanity behind this Bill. I would like to speak a little bit about the vision, because I would imagine that there are a number of people that are sitting at home right now wondering what …
Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My concern today is focusing more on the humanity behind this Bill. I would like to speak a little bit about the vision, because I would imagine that there are a number of people that are sitting at home right now wondering what has this got to do with me? What am I, as an individual citizen of Bermuda, going to get from this deal? What does it mean to me? Mr. Deputy Speaker, my concern is an ec onomic divide. Now, I am going to preface this by sa ying that the vision based on statements coming out of the PLP Administration that we have to be competitive in our agreements with hotel developers, that we have to be competitive with other jurisdictions, is a real concern for me Mr. Deputy Speaker. Now the reason why I am really concerned about that is because I have had a look at many of the other jurisdictions that have similar concessions with these long- range years of tax relief and what I see is a huge economic divide. I see rows and rows of beautiful luxurious hotels. And I must say that I support the reopening of our iconic hotel, the Fairm ont Southampton. But when we look behind the scenes of these jurisdictions that have taken this route of this open- handed, blanket give- thedeveloper -what -they-want, [and then] you look across the bay and you see people who desperately need, desperately need the tax revenue from these hotels and they are living in squalor, poverty . . . they have no shoes . They have muddy streets to walk on. Think about any of those jurisdictions. I have certainly been to a number of them and I cannot believe it. I almost feel guilty being in some of these jurisdictions where they have got these beautiful hotels and yet their s ocial fabric is a mess. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have got to take our time. The hotel has already been closed for two years. What is another six months in the scheme of things? And I say this from the perspective of the fact that most of the conventions, the exhibitions, the large group events that come to Bermuda are not just going to make an appointment or make a reservation to be down here in October. They plan out their calendar of events years in advance. So yes, we absolutely have to make movement toward reopening the hotel. But we do not have to bow down to the first thing that comes our way. The reason I really feel bad about the fact that we jus t simply rolled over and let the first person who is coming on board to take over and wish out as much revenue and benefit for our Island’s social fabric, is that every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the industry of development seeing these concessions —
Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerPoint of order, yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. When the Honourable Member says it is the first person, it should be noted that this property was for sale for a very long time. There were multiple deals that …
Point of order, yes.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. When the Honourable Member says it is the first person, it should be noted that this property was for sale for a very long time. There were multiple deals that fell through. So it would be incorrect for the Honourable Member to say the first person. It should also be noted that developers are the ones who own the property. This is private property, not public property. But this is not the first. Many deals fell through. And I am certain that Members opposite who were in Government know the state of the attempted sale of that property to secure additional i nvestment as it was sorely needed. And if it didn't have additional investment it would close.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMP, be mindful of the comments of the Premier.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you. Thank you very much Mr. Deputy Speaker. This speaks directly to my point. We have on the table negotiations and agreements and terms of financing that we have not necessarily considered before. And if we had just taken a few more months to have considered what potentially could …
Thank you. Thank you very much Mr. Deputy Speaker. This speaks directly to my point. We have on the table negotiations and agreements and terms of financing that we have not necessarily considered before. And if we had just taken a few more months to have considered what potentially could have been an industry -wide new structure around conces sions and agreements with hoteliers we could have come up with a very attractive innovative structure that would have been of great interest to other jurisdictions. But we will never know now. We will never know. But we have the opportunity. And we have t o realise no matter how much we may want to compare ourselves with some of the jurisdictions that we consider ourselves to be competing with, that Bermuda is a special place. And developers and the like know that. They know the value of Bermuda. If we had just used all of our resources to have come up with a structure that would have been attractive and fair to the people of Bermuda, fair for the developers, we 1290 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly would have seen more people more developers come to the table. I am sure of it. In the meantime, we have now come up with this very generous Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act. And I can almost guarantee this. There are going to be other establishments, whether they are existing already in Bermuda and open for business, whether they are closed and look ing to reopen, or whether some future developer that may have an eye on Bermuda, they are going to be looking at this agreement as lucrative as it is and they are going to demand it. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I go back to my first point. If we are going to start giving concessions like the concessions that we are looking to give in this Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act we are going to be losing tax dollars that are supporting our infrastructure and our social fabric and we are going to completely lose it.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, please remember that those folks, those overseas investors, were probably looking at the deal that was made at the airport. So be mindful of that, please.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So with out the taxpaying dollars that we are giving away, basically with the Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act, and the potential that we have on Island right now, existing properties that are closed, that will be looking at this kind of concession and saying, We …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So with out the taxpaying dollars that we are giving away, basically with the Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act, and the potential that we have on Island right now, existing properties that are closed, that will be looking at this kind of concession and saying, We want it too, which will be another layout of another hundred million . . . we have Elbow Beach, we have Ariel Sands, we have Bermudiana Beach, it goes on and on. All of these folks are going to want to see a similar concession Act for them. And many of our open hotels are going to look to say, Hey, we want it too. And that is a lot of taxpaying dollars that we are going to lose. We do not have enough police on the police force now to keep us safe. We do not have enough fire fighters to protect our property and our airport. We are struggling with housing for people who need it. Our social services for our seniors , our rest homes are struggling to stay open. They need support . They need the social programmes. Are we just going to i gnore that? Are we just goin g to let the children who need the support from social services just go without any kind of support system because of all of the taxpaying dollars that will come with grants that will get reduced and reduced and reduced and then forgotten?
Hon. E. David B urt: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes, your point of order, Mr. Premier. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member conti nues to mislead the House. It is established fact, as I gave in my Statement, that the Government of Bermuda will make more money with this development open than not. I …
Yes, your point of order, Mr. Premier. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member conti nues to mislead the House. It is established fact, as I gave in my Statement, that the Government of Bermuda will make more money with this development open than not. I t is established fact. There is additional tax revenue to the coffers if this property is open rather than closed. And I am not understanding why the Honourable Member is talking about reduced money to the coffers when that is contrary to the facts. She is misleading the House and she should speak to the fact that there is additional revenue to the Go vernment.
Ms. Susan E. Jac ksonThank you. I am going to hang on to the word “if.” I am also looking to the future and looking at this from a visionary perspective that says that there is almost no way . . . there are existing hotels on this Island, future hotels and closed hotels, …
Thank you. I am going to hang on to the word “if.” I am also looking to the future and looking at this from a visionary perspective that says that there is almost no way . . . there are existing hotels on this Island, future hotels and closed hotels, that want to reopen that will also want similar concessions. So we are just multiplying. Now, whether the revenue comes in or not, I am personally not convinced that we are going to be getting any kind of support from a tax perspective for a period of t ime. And if we have other industries within the Island within the hospitality industry, that are going to follow suit with similar concessions, I see this as a runaway railway train. I have no concept of the idea that this is going to be a one- off and we are going to walk away with supplementary benefit from all of this. I am not convinced, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will move on.
[Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThe St. George’s Resort Act. Like most of us, I went back and looked through the Hansard for that. And I could not help but raise my eyebrows at the fact that the PLP Administration at the time were most agitated to get as many details about the St. [George’s] …
The St. George’s Resort Act. Like most of us, I went back and looked through the Hansard for that. And I could not help but raise my eyebrows at the fact that the PLP Administration at the time were most agitated to get as many details about the St. [George’s] Resort Act as they possibly could. At the time the OBA Government did everythi ng it could to provide whatever information they had as soon as it was finalised. And if I can sort of list, there were all kinds of site plans, and property plans, development plans, subdivisions. It does not matter. I understand that was a new constructi on at the time. But the point is that we provided as much information as we possibly could. And I think one of the things that is really bothersome about this particular debate— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerA point of order, Premier? Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is again unintentionally misleading the House. The St. George’ s Resort Act was not just a concessions Act which was passed by the former Government, but also consisted of a …
A point of order, Premier?
Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is again unintentionally misleading the House. The St. George’ s Resort Act was not just a concessions Act which was passed by the former Government, but also consisted of a ground lease. And the reasons why those things were there was because the former Government, because it was public land, extended a 262year lease and had to change the use of the land. That is what it is. This one is private land. So, I t hink that the Honourable Member should understand that. There are differences between the two, so she should not confuse the issues. So when she is speaking about why there is not these particular plans that are laid out the 2009 S DO covers that . The 2015 Act , of which they had granted planning permission, w e are making this development follow the planning process. And I hope she understands that.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, again, let me repeat. The St. George’ s property belonged to Government . The Southampton Princess property is privately owned. It does not belong to Government. Comparing the two is not really the way to go.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Deputy Speaker. I will never profess to be the financial numbers person, but one of t he pieces that did strike me was just a simple but major piece of information that would have helped me. That is that there is a defini-tion in the Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] …
Thank you, Deputy Speaker. I will never profess to be the financial numbers person, but one of t he pieces that did strike me was just a simple but major piece of information that would have helped me. That is that there is a defini-tion in the Fairmont Southampton [Hotel] Act that gives the definition of a guest room. In parentheses, it says that the definition of a guest room is in a site plan which has been delivered to the Minister by a certain date. So, in all my due diligence, I went out and tried my very best within the public domain to try to find the definition of a guest room. I can’t find it. I wonder why the Minister of Tourism or the Minister of Finance could not just give us —well, maybe I’m the only one that’s interested in it —even a definition of a guest room.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonI am just making my point : no matter how little or how much, i t would be very nice to just have a little more information. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, you are right. You won’t find a def inition of a guest room. Di fferent hotels have different definitions, different sized rooms, different amenities and everything else. So, no; y ou won’t find that . . . what you’re looking for. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerOne second. Deputy Leader, do you have a point of order? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. I have a point of order. Mr. Deputy Speaker. I think the Member was referencing clauses in the Bill, and, as you know, we haven’t gone to Com-mittee yet . It …
One second. Deputy Leader, do you have a point of order?
POINT OF ORDER
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. I have a point of order. Mr. Deputy Speaker. I think the Member was referencing clauses in the Bill, and, as you know, we haven’t gone to Com-mittee yet . It would seem that is a question that she would be asking in Committee. I just wanted to make that reference point, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Mini ster. Ms. Jackson, continue.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Deputy S peaker. Just making a point there. In conclusion, I do not think that there is an ything much within these three pages that really gives me and the constituents that I listen to who are concerned about the future, especially regarding the po-tential dilution of the …
Thank you, Deputy S peaker. Just making a point there. In conclusion, I do not think that there is an ything much within these three pages that really gives me and the constituents that I listen to who are concerned about the future, especially regarding the po-tential dilution of the tax revenue that will be reinves ted into the social programmes and the social fabric of Bermuda . . . I do not believe that these three pages are really going to give us that confidence that ever ything is . . . I want to say above board, so I might as well go on and say it. I am also very concerned that we do not really have any real idea on what that cost overall is really going to be for Bermuda. I do believe that we abs olutely need to reopen the hotel —
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, ple ase do not mislead the House. The Premier outlined the cost to everyone.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you. I would like to know a little bit more about — Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson—[INAUDIBLE] thoughts around condo development. 1292 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Deputy Speaker. Point of or der, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat is your point of order, sir? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives] Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: The Honourable Member is imputing improper motive when she used the line “above board,” that something is “not above board.” She is imputing improper motive. I would request that she retract that statement.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI did not hear it ; but if that is what you said, Ms. Jackson, if that is what you said, I would ask you to withdraw those remarks.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonYes. Okay. I can withdraw them. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonMy final piece is the information around the employment at the Fairmont Southampton. I know that may be down the road, and that the unions are in agreement with some structure. But I am very interested in making sure that Bermudians are given a fair and a vast majority advantage …
My final piece is the information around the employment at the Fairmont Southampton. I know that may be down the road, and that the unions are in agreement with some structure. But I am very interested in making sure that Bermudians are given a fair and a vast majority advantage when it comes to employment once the hotel opens. We have . . . or at least I have not seen a ny indication of where or what has happened with the 800- odd employees that were made redundant last year or so, or in 2020. I’m just also very concerned that we may get so caught up in the numbers that we lose sight of the humanity in this and to make sur e that, one, when the negotiations continue that Bermudians are in the for efront for employment. I know that outsourcing is a very—
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerHonourable Member, let me say this to you. You should know that if you do not know the history of Berm uda Industrial Union, I would ask you to go and talk to the union. They can tell you what they have done and continuously do in the hotel industry. …
Honourable Member, let me say this to you. You should know that if you do not know the history of Berm uda Industrial Union, I would ask you to go and talk to the union. They can tell you what they have done and continuously do in the hotel industry. And that is why you have many Bermudians in positions in the hotels. There is a history book you can buy from the union if you want to know the history of it.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Deputy Speaker. I guess my point really is that this is one of the first really big deals that we have negotiated. And I know that we are negotiating with some seasoned professionals, international developers. We just need to keep our eyes open, stay alert, pay attention to …
Thank you, Deputy Speaker. I guess my point really is that this is one of the first really big deals that we have negotiated. And I know that we are negotiating with some seasoned professionals, international developers. We just need to keep our eyes open, stay alert, pay attention to d etails, and keep it as transparent as possible so that all Bermudians have an opportunity to survive this trans ition. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Ms. Jackson. Any further speakers?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI can’t recognise the voice. Is that Mr. Wade?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerContinue, Honourable Member Jason Wade. You have the floor.
Mr. Jason WadeI appreciate it, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I have listened to the past few speakers, some things jumped out to me. One is, why now? Another is, wait six months. As the Honourable Member whose constit uency Southampton Princess falls in, that concerns me. That is concerning …
I appreciate it, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I have listened to the past few speakers, some things jumped out to me. One is, why now? Another is, wait six months. As the Honourable Member whose constit uency Southampton Princess falls in, that concerns me. That is concerning to me because when you say wait another six months . . . if I may tell a story, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I received a call from one of my constituents maybe about a month ago, and they wer e desperate for a job. I had to say to this young man . . . he actually referenced Southampton Princess. And I said to him, The time is coming. He was a former employee of Southampton Princess and was obviously made redundant, and he started his own business when he was made redundant that was going well. But he is now very interested in getting back into the labour force, specifically going back up to South P. So, he is desperate. He is desperate for a job. It irks me —if I can use that word— when I hear Members say, Why now? Let’s wait another six months. This young man cannot wait another six months. He needs to put food on the table for his kids. So for me to tell him to wait another six months further after the construction is done at South P, I cannot do that. In good conscience, I cannot do that because you are basically telling him that he will not be able to provide food for his kids because the Opposition wants to wait a further six months or [say] Why now? I cannot in good conscience and good faith go back to him and say, Well, the Honourable Member from the other side wants you to wait longer. I cannot do that. So as the MP for constituency 30, which Southampton Princess falls under, I think about the benefits of this deal to our constituency because that is what I think about when I think about South P. So let me give you a list of local businesses that stand to benefit from this development going through to coun-ter Why now?: Henry’s Pantry, the Wok Express, places like Mr. Chicken, Pizza House, H orseshoe Bay Live, Southampton Rangers Sports Club, which is near and dear to my heart. And the list goes on. These are just a few local businesses within the area
Bermuda House of Assembly that will benefit from the development and the reopening of Southampton Princess Hotel. Then I talk about the jobs for my constituents. I spoke about that one young man, but that is not to mention the other 10 calls that I received within the past few months asking: Where can we apply for jobs? We’re excited at the fact that this deal is going through. So let’s talk about taxi drivers, a job that is near and dear to my heart because that is the job that my father has been doing for the last 10 years; and numerous other constituents do. Taxi drivers benefit. Taxi drivers have not had the opportun ity to go up to South P for years. The reopening adds a source of revenue for them.
Mr. Jason WadeThank you, sir. So, let’s talk about the 70/30. My colleague, Minister Hayward, talked about the 70 per cent Bermudians minimum who will be working up at South P and the 30 per cent of others who will be coming in and working at that establishment. Let's be real. Where …
Thank you, sir. So, let’s talk about the 70/30. My colleague, Minister Hayward, talked about the 70 per cent Bermudians minimum who will be working up at South P and the 30 per cent of others who will be coming in and working at that establishment. Let's be real. Where are those 30 per cent going to stay? They are going to stay in apartments close to Southampton Princess. They are going to stay in those accomm o-dations that fall within constituencies 30, 31, 29 — walking distance to that hotel or a short bus route. I know our constituents are going to be elated at the fact that they can find people to rent their accommodations. But, Why now? Let’s wait another six months when we do not have rent for our apartment. It is insane to me that those comments would come from the Opposition in that Why shouldn’t we wait a nother six months? It is insane to me. They obviously have their apartments rented. They are making money hand over fist —
Ms. Susan E. JacksonPoint of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker! Point of order. Po int of order.
Mr. Jason Wade—and they do not want our consti tuents to be making money from this deal.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerOne second, Mr. Wade. There is a point of order. What is your point of order, Ms. Jackson.? POINT OF ORDER
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Deputy Speaker. Yes. There are residential dormitories that are allocated within the Fairmont Southampton, and most of the staff that are from overseas are living in dorm itories either at the hotel or at numerous sites around the Island.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThey are not private. They are the dormitory residences of the Fairmont Sout hampton.
Mr. Jason WadeSo I am assuming, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the Member knows for a fact that no residents, no workers, will be staying in any of the apartments close to the hotel . She—
Mr. Jason WadeThank you, sir. I apologi se. So, let’s talk about the types of jobs that will benefit. I always like to give examples. As a former teacher, I like to give examples for the stories and for my points that I am making. I know of truck drivers who . …
Thank you, sir. I apologi se. So, let’s talk about the types of jobs that will benefit. I always like to give examples. As a former teacher, I like to give examples for the stories and for my points that I am making. I know of truck drivers who . . . Actually, I know a former employee from Southampton Princess that formed a trucking company, a very successful trucking company, after he was made redundant and was paid his redundancy fee from Southampton Pri ncess. And they are looking forward to the construction starting because they know that the contractors will be looking for truckers to work on the site. But if we wait another six months or Why now? as the Member pr e1294 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly vious said, that is money out of honest working people’s pockets. So, I do not want to belabour the point, but I do want to belabour the point. It irritates me to no end that the Opposition does not support this Bill and would like us to wait another six months before we push this Bill forward. I cannot speak to it enough because of the fact that I receive calls. I’m not sure if the Opposition Members receive calls, if they give their numbers out to t he constituents that they have. But I give my number out personally, and I receive calls daily asking: When is this project going to take off? When are they going to open? and When can we apply for jobs? That is what I am focused on. I am focused on getting Bermudians back to work. Our Government has a plan, and that plan is to put our Bermudians back to work. And for the Opposition to keep on dela ying, delaying, and wanting to delay and pontificating . . . It irritates me to no end, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, I promised I would not speak for long. I just wanted to speak to the fact that our constituency 30 supports the redevelopment of Southampton Princess. And we look forward to this Bill passing. It has my 100 per cent support. I know that the economic boo m that will be felt within our community, within the Island, will outweigh any of the concessions that have been agreed to by this deal. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member, Mr. Wade. The next speaker is Mr. D e Silva. Zane De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me start like this. No hotel equals no taxes and no jobs. Simple. Plain …
Thank you, Honourable Member, Mr. Wade. The next speaker is Mr. D e Silva. Zane De Silva, you have the floor.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me start like this. No hotel equals no taxes and no jobs. Simple. Plain and simple. I think that the Minister of Tourism and our Premier outlined it perfectly. Really what should have happened after the Premier and the Minister of Tourism spoke, we should not have had any more speak-ers. But of course, we had a few people get up and speak, and of course, that leads us to have to repl y. Mr. Deputy Speaker, just like Honourable Member Wade just said, I am astounded by the comments that he is astounded by. What is the rush? A nother six months. Honourable Member Jackson, are you serious? What is another six months? Tell that to someone t hat has been out of work for two years.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonPoint of order. Point of order. Point of order. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Here we go.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWhat is your point of order, MP Jackson? POINT OF ORDER
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThat is not a point of order. Mr. De Silva, continue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. See? Those are the idiotic comments we get, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Right? I am going to repeat: Another six months to get a good deal? We have been …
That is not a point of order. Mr. De Silva, continue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. See? Those are the idiotic comments we get, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Right? I am going to repeat: Another six months to get a good deal? We have been working on this for two years. And I will take this opportunity to thank our Premier for getting this thing across the line. With all due respect to the former Minister of Finance, this thing was dragging on, Mr. Deputy Speaker. But the Premier got it done. Will we have to make adjustments in the f uture? Maybe so. But listen, when we have 800 people out of work and hundreds of others relying on this ho-tel, airlift relying on this, the increase of airlift relying on the opening of this hotel, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we are getting it done. Just like any other piece of legisl ation. How many amendments have we made to legi slation in this country just in my last 20 years, Mr. Deputy Speaker? Will we have t o make amendments? Maybe. But I’ll tell you what. This is going to allow that hotel to put shovels in the ground, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and put people to work. As the Honourable Minister Jason Hayward said, we have spent $80 million in the last 8 to 12 mont hs on financial assistance. To ask What is our rush? We have people out of work. I know. I live it, Mr. Deputy Speaker. People knock on my door every day for work. I have hired people, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I do not have anything for them. You know personally, because you have sent people to me. People are struggling out there. They are hurting. This legisl ation today, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is going to put people to work. It is going to put people to work. And to hear Six months more, or What ’s our rush? We have been dragging our tails, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We need to get cracking. One minute the Opposition says: What is your economic recovery plan? Do you remember how many times we heard that in the last 6, 8, 9, 10 months? But here we have this legislation here today that is going to jump- start our economy. The Oppos ition has been saying it for months if not a couple of years: What is our economic recovery plan? We come up with this, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and this is what we get from them? They are not going to support it? We should take some more time to get a better deal? This is not government property. This is privately owned property. These people could close the door and walk away tomorrow if they want to.
Bermuda House of Assembly Let me state this, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I do not care if the guarantee was $200 million. I would support it. Just like the OBA supported $200 million for Morgan’s Point for a private deal (on government land, but a private deal). And we are still spending; it might be $220 [million] by now. And it is not over. I will tell you what. The difference, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is this. We have someone who has purchased that property, who has purchased property down at the East End and Tucker’s Point. They have a track record. Gencom have a worldwide track record, Mr. De puty Speaker, and I will go with them any time. They have already invested millions and millions of dollars at Tucker’s Point and will invest more. And we want to tell them, Look. Hold it. We are not ready yet? No. Then we hear comments like: Is this in the best interests of the people of Bermuda? Seriously? You are going to tell me that we do not have the expertise and we have not had the expertise yet to make these decisions? Tell all the people who have been out of work for the last two and a half year if we have their interests at heart by doing this. And when they see shovels in the ground and they see people up at that Southampton site working, ask them then what they think. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Honourable Member Jackson . . . I . . . I . . . You know what? Maybe I should not even comment on it, when she talks about humanity and we have to be competitive, we have to take our time, and companies plan years in advance. I am glad she said that, because guess what? She is right. They do plan years in advance. And with them hearing that this hotel is now going to proceed, maybe they will start booking for when the hotel opens in 2023/24. We have lost hundreds of millions of dollars in large group business. Everyone in this House today knows that. W hen was the last time we had a convention in Bermuda? We need this hotel. They are going to expand their convention space by like 50 per cent. You have real land that has tennis courts on it. Where in the world would you take a beautiful piece of property land and put a tennis court? They are going to totally revamp that entire site. And businesses in this country are going to get business. They are going to employ more people because they are going to get additional work. It is a no- brainer.
[Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Acting Speaker, in the Chair]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: When I hear people saying they are not going to be support this, I have to wonder if they have lost their marbles. You have got to be kidding. In this economic climate, we have someone willing to invest in this country hundreds of millions of dollars. I think just the opposite of the Opposition. I think that this development is going to increase the interest in this country, increase the interest in deve lopers coming to this country. Look. We can talk about concessions. The OBA gave a 30- year concession to the airport. If we have new developers come along, whether it is Elbow Beach as was mentioned earlier, the old Lantana site, or Ariel Sands site, and these folks want to talk about conc essions? Yes, we will talk about them, and we will give them. Would it not be great to have hundreds of thousands of tourists coming to this Island? Would it not be fantastic to say, Wow, where are we going to put all these people? We need to build some more hotels. So, yes, if that is what it takes, that is what we need to do. We need economic activity in this country. We need foreign investment, to use the favourite words of the former Minister of the OBA Bob Richards. We need foreign investment in this country. We need foreign exchange. You are damn skippy we do, and this is going to do it. I have many friends, as many of us do, in the taxi industry alone. I was at Crystal Caves yesterday. They had about eight taxis there and another four drove in as I was driving up. Those guys said, Man this is fantastic. This is great! They have had two years of zero. I just get . . . I am like MP Jason Wade. I get ticked off when I hear the Opposition talking about not supporting this Bill. You have got to be ki dding me. This hotel was one of the largest and will be again one of the largest employers on this Island. And I could go through statistics, Madam Acting Speaker, I could go through statistics after statistics after stati stics that our colleagues have done and will continue to do before this debate is done today, I’m sure. But the benefits, the benefits . . . We could sit here and talk for hours and hours about the benefits. I know we could on our side. There would not be enough time in the day. We would have to extend Parliament over the weekend if we talked about the benefits. But what are the risks? What are the risks if we do not? This development could spark . . . I hate . . . I know some people will not like this word. It could spark a platinum period with regard to tourism in this country. If all of a sudden other investors said, Listen. Hey. Look. These guys are . . . Look. Tucker’s Point is going. St. Regis is going. Now this is going. Look. I had better get on board in Bermuda, because I see something bright, bright, bright in the future. So, you know what? I am convinced that this project is going to be successful, Madam Acting Speaker. It is going to be successful. I have a lot of confidence in Gencom. I have confidence in our Cabinet. I have confid ence in my fellow Backbench colleagues. We know we have had these discussions for the past couple of years. Hey, I have confidence in all of us that we will continue to get things like this done. We promised the people of this country in our last platform and the one before that that we are going to 1296 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly put their interests first. We are going to put Bermudians first. This is what is putting Bermudians first. We are going to get this hotel out, gut this hotel, renovate it. We are going to see new things happening at that hotel. And I think other developers and other hotel properties are going to follow suit because they are not going to want to lose out. I think that pe ople worldwide will want to come to Bermuda. It is still, I believe, the most beautiful place in the world. And I have travelled all over the world. I have travelled all over the Caribbean to our competitors, there ain’t nothing like Bermuda. Now I am not saying we do not have more work to do. I would like to see more entertainment. But that is com ing. But Madam Acting Speaker, I am going to leave it there. I am going to leave it right there. B ecause with no hotel we have no taxes, and we have no jobs. None. And I just . . . I am . . . I am . . . I am hopeful. I am confident that this is going to produce not only employment for our people in the hotel , there are going to be construction jobs , there are going to be taxi jobs. And you know what else? The entrepr eneurs in this country . . . the entrepreneurs are going to grow because this is going to g ive them opportunities to do things as well. So, I am just excited about it. I am not going to get hyped at the naysayers today. I am going to be excited. I think our Premier carried this, got it over the line. And I am excited. I think the Tourism Minster , his Cabinet colleagues and my fellow Backbenchers are excited. And we will do ever ything in our power to make sure it is successful. Thank you, Madam Acting Speaker.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Member De Silva. Are there any other persons who wish to speak? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Speaker, are the O pposition going to speak? Certainly . . ..
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerWell, I am trying to give opportunity to— Hon. Walter H. Roban: I mean we are having a d ebate.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerI don’t want it to be said that — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Let’s get an early night.
The Acting SpeakerThe Speaker—we are not including them. I am just looking to see who is — Hon. Walter H. Roban: You have an Opposition in this House. It is a democracy. I thought they would have something to say. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Acting Speaker.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerIs that the Leader of the Opposition? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: It is.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I want the Parliament to know that the Deputy Premier does not define the Opposition strategy. So, he can wait until we are ready to speak.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Opposition Leader. And I do not think that he was intendi ng to do that. I think he was just trying to be courteous and allow anyone . . . because we do know that our numbers are vast in the House. So, he was probably just trying …
Thank you, Opposition Leader. And I do not think that he was intendi ng to do that. I think he was just trying to be courteous and allow anyone . . . because we do know that our numbers are vast in the House. So, he was probably just trying to give you an opportunity to speak. I will ask the question again. Are there any other Members who wish to speak?
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Acting Speaker.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerIs that the Deputy Leader? [Do] you wish to speak Deputy Leader? Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will. But I think this is also about democracy and less about strategy. Those who wish to have opposing views on matters of the Go vernment should b e prepared to speak on …
Is that the Deputy Leader? [Do] you wish to speak Deputy Leader? Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will. But I think this is also about democracy and less about strategy. Those who wish to have opposing views on matters of the Go vernment should b e prepared to speak on them in this House, Madam Acting Speaker —
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let’s go to C ommittee. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —instead of howling in their chairs.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Minister, you have the floor. And the clock is now tic king. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Acting Speaker. Yes, Madam Acting Speaker , we have had a very interesting debate today. And I wish to thank, certainly, the Government speakers who have spoken up so far, …
Yes. Minister, you have the floor. And the clock is now tic king.
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Acting Speaker. Yes, Madam Acting Speaker , we have had a very interesting debate today. And I wish to thank, certainly, the Government speakers who have spoken up so far, who have given their support to this Bi ll. This Bill, which I will remind the listening public, is the Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022 —a Bill to facil itate the investment in the Fairmont Southampton H otel with the support of certain Government incentives in a package aligned with the Touris m Investment Act.
[Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, in the Chair]
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I, of course, enthusiastically support this Bill. I support the endeavour this Bill is seeking to provide for our
Bermuda House of Assembly country , and t he opportunity. We are reminded that this is a private development that is being invested in. We are providing a measure of support to support a percentage of the investment. And as we have also been told, Mr. Deputy Speaker, this is not an uncom-mon thing. And we, having our own tourism inves tment regime, have had this for many years, going back to the year 2000 (I think I am saying the year correctly, Mr. Deputy Speaker), a body of legislation to encourage investment in tourism development in this country. So, it is not an alien thing. But what is different is that we are now 22 years on from that legislation and things have changed. And the investment landscape, the tourism market and the opportunities of that market have also changed. Despite the fact that we remain 22 square miles, the world around us has changed. And the approach and attitude towards our Island when it comes to the i ndustry of t ourism has also changed as well. And we cannot make certain assumptions, Mr. Deputy Speaker, which I know you will understand as a gentleman who has vast experience in the hospitality i ndustry and in many aspects of its operation, in the personnel issues and even the wider needs of tourism, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You have quite a bit of experience in that. So, you co me as no alien to these issues although many in the listening public may and even some Members of this House might actually as well. The reality is that we as a jurisdiction have to respond to the environment that we are faced with. The environment . . . just as in the wider issue of cl imate change. Mr. Deputy Speaker, if I could just divert. The world around us is determining what hap-pens on our Island. What happens around us in our ocean and our air determines it. We cannot necessar ily change it. We have to respond and mitigate neg ative impacts and support positive impacts. So, when it comes to the investment in tourism, we have to [do] the same. We are a part of a global tourism market. So, we have to be responsive to what will support our involvement wi th that market. And that means we have to make ourselves attractive for investment. So, having listened to much of what was said today, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I heard certain M embers spend a lot of time talking about and focusing on what we should not be doi ng in relation to this Act, or what they think this Act should not do or what is does not do right. Well, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would hope that the majority of us in this House want to talk about what we should be doing. What we should be focused on, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is what the Bill allows us to accomplish, the possibilities, the potential, and the opportunities this Bill creates. That, I think, is what is important. And let’s also remember, Mr. Deputy Speaker, who we are here for, and why we are here. I think this question has come up a few times. Why are we here? We are not here because of lawyers. We are not here b e-cause of an agreement, the headlines of the agre ements and then the specifics. We are not here be-cause of contracts. We are here because of people , because Bermuda’s tourism is essential to the people of this country, to their welfare, to their survival, to their opportunities. That is the role tourism plays for us. We are here for them. This Bill has been brought for them. Not for Gencom . Not for the tax commissioner or the licence fees that will be paid or other fees that will be paid. We are here for the people. This Bill is about the people of Bermuda and ensuring their survival. And I thought, Mr. Deputy Speaker, many of us would understand that [fact], having gone through the last two years of COVID -19. And the amount of people who were impacted by the shutting down of this country, our tourism and hospitality industry shutting down . . . And again, not as much because of anything that we ourselves had to do but because of what was happe ning around the globe. Cruise ships could not come. Cruise ships became Petri dishes for COVID -19. Aircraft became P etri dishes for moving COVID -19 around the world. So, we had to shut down. We had to c lose our industry down. People were out of work. And from my observ ation, and I think the analysis supports this, the visitor industry is the one industry where the majority of Bermudians were impacted. Other aspects of the Mi nistry in Bermuda kept going. But the tourism industry and the hospitality industry and all the connecting i ndustries to them shut down. Restaurants, retail, those who service the industries went into shutdown. And thousands of our people were out of work as a result of the visitor industry having to shut down and the I sland having to close down. So, when we talk about this Bill, we need to talk about where this Bill will take us. It will return hundreds of Bermudian, Mr. Deputy Speaker, with jobs to work in tourism. My colleagues have already explained the type of ripples in where that goes. It will inject addi-tional construction activity to the Island. We know that. It will return millions of dollars in revenue to the Island. I believe the number that has been estimated is that the operation of Southampton Princess generates about $80 million of revenue annually to this country. You can correct me, Mr. Deputy Speaker, if I am i ncorrect. But those are astronomical numbers that are attached with just one property. I heard a number quoted— 55,000 visitors go through the doors of that hotel historically on average. There is no other proper-ty in Bermuda that can generate that volume of activ ity. This is the anchor property for the Island. What else will return? Due to those numbers, that wil l mean positive influence on airlift. If we can have a hotel like that back in operation and the level of volume of people that can come, the airlines will begin to provide more service. I am sure that is what the Minister of Transport is hoping for, Mr. D eputy Speaker. It will create an environment where we can 1298 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly return to the market of the country and talk about opportunities around Elbow Beach and Lantana and other potential properties to be developed because of our success in getting this property back to being r edeveloped. It creates an eye on Bermuda that potentially makes those properties more attractive for a potential development. So, the ripples with this Bill being passed and the success it can bring with the redevelopment of the hotel are astronomi cal. There is no other property that brings that sort of attention. With all due respect to St. Regis , with all due respect to some other properties that have r ecently been redeveloped —The Loren, Azura —they are not going to bring the type or level of volu me of attention and credibility and activity that Fairmont Southampton will bring. In fact, I can attest myself, Mr. Deputy Speaker, having had conversations with some of the people who operate those hotels. They want to see further redevelopment. They do not see it as competition for them, whether it be Coral Beach or Azura or The Loren. They see it as compl ementary because with that sort of capacity available more people will begin to look at Bermuda and look at the options we have. If we only have a few active hotels with minimal airlift . . . If people know they can get here and have many options, they will begin to look at other options that are available if other developments are in play. We have to see this Bill as an opportunity for us as a country , Mr. Deputy Speaker. What does it bring? The Honourable Member of Tourism and the Honourable Finance Minister have outlined this so clearly already, but I would just like to reiterate because repeating is certainly helpful to our public. That is who we ar e speaking to. This is about the people. This is not about the lawyers or the developer. This is about the people of our country having a redevelopment opportunity and an opportunity to re- engage with Bermuda’s historically most successful industry, tour-ism. It means, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that Bermuda as a destination becomes something that more people will look at it. It means a number of things. And the Honourable Minster Hayward himself touched on this, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You know, we all believe be-caus e this is our country, this is our Bermuda, that Bermuda is the most beautiful place in the world and that Bermuda is the best place to invest. We all believe that. When I go away, I say that. Whenever I talk to anybody about my country that is what I say, The most beautiful place in the world. We are open for business, and it is a great place to invest. But guess what. People can go elsewhere and invest too. And they will look at the numbers. And it has been repeatedly said [Bermuda] is a challenging place for inves tments. Challenging investments do not necessarily mean you cannot have success, but you have to make yourself attractive to investors in ways that di s-tinguish you from others in the marketplace. That is what this is about. It is about distinguis hing ourselves from others where other people can go. Investments are like water, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It will go and follow where it is not impeded. So, if they have a blockage here, the water just goes to the other place. So, if there is a blockage in Berm uda, they are going to go to Jamaica. They are going to go to TCI. They are going to go to DR. They are going to go to St. Lucia. That is where the water will go. That is where the investors will go. It is not going to stop and wait six months for us to be ready. Anybody who suggests that . . . I have to borrow the language of some of my honourable colleagues. I think there is a bit of insanity in that comment , frankly. It does not make economic sense for this country while people want jobs, people cannot put food on their table, to tell them, Just wait six months. It will happen. Do you want to have to go tell that same thing to your constituents, Mr. Deputy Speaker? No, I do not want to have to tell them. I want to be able to tell the taxi drivers, the people who have concessions in tourism, the people who are in retail, Yes, the hotel is going to be open and it is going to mean a lot more work for you. Just like having those cruise ships down in Dockyard, another place that had certain pushback, if you remember, Mr. Deputy Speaker . The two cruise ships that have been down there over the last couple of weeks . . . our taxi drivers and our retailers and others who have tourism services are elated. This is the sort of enthusiasm in hotel business we are try ing to bring back to Bermuda—that enthusiasm. We need more beds. There is nobody who disagrees with that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We need more beds. We are down on our bed count to attract the volume of business that we need in this country. Other Islands to the south . . . I just visited, and I will just reflect, if you do not mind, Mr. Deputy Speaker, on an experience I just had. I just went to TCI. And those of you who have been to TCI know what is going on down there. That place has been hopping since they came out of COVID -19. Since they opened up and started to allow people, they have hotels that are one-year-old that have just been opened, brand new hotels. That is what we are competing with. They may only have a couple thousands of beds, Mr. Deputy Spea ker. But guess what. They have 4,000 villas. They have great capacity. They are also 600 square miles of an Island, so they have a lot more develo pment opportunity and they can attract more develop-ers if they want to. So, that is the sort of environment t hat we are facing—an environment where down in the Caribbean they are building and developing. So, there is money there to attract. We have to make ourselves attractive for some of that capital and investment as well. This deal with Fairmont Southampton wi ll make us more attractive for developers who are out there looking for
Bermuda House of Assembly places to invest. We have to do that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. My honourable colleagues, including Minister Hayward [and] MP De Silva and others have said it like it is. We need to stop ac ting like Bermuda is so special that we have to be so rigid on business as usual. Business as usual is not going to get the i nvestment that we want —that we need —to continue to advance the agenda of this Government, to continue to advance the opportunities that we want for the people of Bermuda. There are entrepreneurs —young, not so young— who want to be involved with tourism. There are many who started businesses prior to the pandemic where they were trying to do new things in tourism. As you know, we had a programme where people [could] go to the BEDC and have tourism business opportunities invested in. Up to this point, it is almost . . . why would you invest in tourism right now when we have only limited capacity? There is not that market. So, we have to create an environment wor king with investors so that our own people will feel pos itive about investing in tourism. We want more Berm udians not only just working at the hotel, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We want Bermudians to start their own businesses to take advantage of the volume of people that will be here visiting the country. That only comes if we grow our market, we grow our capacity, we grow the activity around tourism in Bermuda. We need to have new people coming in. We need to have activity so that our fi sherman and our farmers also have an opportunity in tourism. So, this Bill is a part of a larger picture. And I am not going to get more into a lot of the numbers, Mr. Deputy Speaker, because guess what. The Mini ster of Finance, the Premier, and, I am sur e, the Mini ster of Tourism, Vance Campbell , will continue to rei terate that message along with so many other M embers of our team who are here who know the numbers, who know the messages. People like the Honourable MP Crystal Caes ar and others and yourself who have intimate knowledge of tourism, MP De Silva, others , the former Tourism Minister, people like MP Jamahl Simmons who has a background in the tourism industry, MP Kim Swan— all of them are going to reiterate the facts because they are the experts that we have on our side in this industry. And I look forward to hearing from them. But I would like to talk of some other things , because this development as you know has had some history. There is a S pecial Development Order ass ociated with it , and that has been spoken about. But I can assure M embers that despite what was decided in the SDO (and I speak now as the Minister responsible for Planning) , despite there being an SDO with certain things that have been laid out, there is nothing in an SDO that precludes the requirements for any of what is listed in the SDO to have to still go through planning approval. That is still required. SDO approv als are permission in principle only. So, they are subject to the same requirements, including other requirements, before they are actually fully approved. So, you still have to meet pending requirements even though certain things are prescribed in an SDO. That is appr opriate due diligence. There are certain things laid out in the 2009 SDO, but they are permissions in principle, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And they still have to follow the appropr iate scrutiny through planning. So, no one is running away from that . There is an SDO that has certain things, but that is only to a certain portion of what that development is. It does not prescribe for the whole development like we are dealing with in the Act today. And there are permissions in the Act which I am sure will be discussed in Committee that speak to what the planning requirements are and what this Bill upholds around the p lanning requirements. I would also like to say some other things because, again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we need to always talk about what is possible. There is a possibility that this particular property could be a showcase for con-servation and efficiency, r enewable energy. It has the potential to have some very interesting things about efficiencies because, as you know, hotel properties use a lot of energy. We can talk to the developer. And I am happy for my department to work with them to see what conservat ions and efficiencies can be built into that development that has a showcase for energy usage for the proper uses of water and other essential items that we are concentrating on around our env ironment. So, I wish to close there, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I beli eve I am coming up to my 20 minutes. And I am thankful for the opportunity to support this Bill in the way I have been able to do. Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Deputy Leader, Mr. Roban. Are there any further speakers? There are no further speakers? Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Deputy Speaker, if there are no other speakers, I am more than willing to wrap this up and go to Committee.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYou can. Go right ahead, Mi nister. Hon. Vance Campbell: Okay. Firstly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to clarify something that was said by the first speaker after me and maybe repeated later on by another speaker. What I did not say is anyone who questions this Bill is …
You can. Go right ahead, Mi nister.
Hon. Vance Campbell: Okay. Firstly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to clarify something that was said by the first speaker after me and maybe repeated later on by another speaker. What I did not say is anyone who questions this Bill is disingenuous or naïve. With your permission, I will read what I actually said from my statement.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerContinue. 1300 6 May 2022 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: This is from my S tatement: “[B]ut I wish to make it clear that an argument about government sacrifice of revenue and that being a flaw of this Bill and this Government’s approach is …
Continue. 1300 6 May 2022 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: This is from my S tatement: “[B]ut I wish to make it clear that an argument about government sacrifice of revenue and that being a flaw of this Bill and this Government’s approach is nonsense.” So, it was very specific to someone having an argument about government sacrifice of revenue as being a flaw to this Bill. And then I went on to say: “ [I]t would be borderline criminal and undoubtedly tone- deaf to hide behind a revenue argument. This is far bigger than that and anyone who fails to understand that is either being disingenuous or naïve.” Those were my comments. I was not saying any criticism of this Bill or questioning of this Bill would fall under this; just the argument around loss of rev enue. That is the first thing. I believe my colleague, Minister Hayward, more than adequately dealt with the question of incen-tives versus the contribution made by this hotel to GDP. Using the high numbers provid ed by the est imate submitted to us by the former Minister of F inance, that amount, as pointed out by Minister Ha yward, was less than $10 million a year over the 15 years versus an estimated contribution of $100 million per annum from the hotel property. A lot of the, I guess, anxiety comes from wanting perfect infor-mation. Well, if we wait long enough, we will come as close as possible to having perfect information as we ever would. What we will not have when we have that perfect information is the opportunity. We all have anecdotal evidence of people who were interested in investing in Bermuda taking their money and moving it elsewhere because of red tape, because we do not move fast enough, we are not nimble. And a lot of the arguments are around what is unknown. And there is an inevitable lean t owards what is unknown that it is going to be negative. But an argument can be made that what is unknown has just as much of a chance of being positive and that our predictions are much better and that the outcome is much better than what we can project right here and now in time. It is extremely easy to say to wait another six months. Apart from the opportunity possibly not being there in six months and being lost. It is easy for someone who may have steady income, who may not have any financial needs, to say, Let’s wait six months . What will six months more mean? What is the impact? It is six months more of not having jobs . It is six months more of not being able to go after group business. It is six months more of not being able to sit down and negotiate greater airlift. It is six months more of falling behind our competition. In keeping with the argument of searching for perfect information, the One Bermuda Alliance in 2015 passed the St. George’s Resort Act 2015 to pave the way for the development of the St. Regis hotel. A year later in 2016 they found it necessary to make amend-m ents to that A ct. It happens. Perhaps they had better information in 2016 than they had in 2015 which prompted the need for amendments. They could have waited until 2016, had better information, but we probably would not have a St. Regis Hotel. Clearly, in general there is support (I think I only recall one per-son saying they cannot support it) for this. So, there is a recognition. When you look at 10 years versus 15 years, again you break it down on a per annum basis, the number pales in comparison to what this hotel co ntributes to GDP. So, with those brief comments, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that this Bill be committed. [No audible res ponse] Hon. Vance Campbell: We cannot hear you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerI’m sorry. Can you repeat that, Minister? I am so sorry. Hon. Vance Campbell: I said with those closing comments, I move that the Bill be committed. The Deputy Spea ker: Yes. Thank you. My apologies again. The House will resolve in Committee of the whole. And we ask the …
I’m sorry. Can you repeat that, Minister? I am so sorry. Hon. Vance Campbell: I said with those closing comments, I move that the Bill be committed. The Deputy Spea ker: Yes. Thank you. My apologies again. The House will resolve in Committee of the whole. And we ask the Acting Chairperson Ms. Lovitta Foggo to take the chair of Committee. House in Committee at 4: 56 pm [ Ms. Lovitta Foggo, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2022
The ChairmanChairmanGood evening, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022 . Let me ask the Minister and continue. Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. Hon. Vance Campbell: This is my first time doing this so if I —
The ChairmanChairmanTake your time, Minister. That’s okay. Hon. Vance Campbell: If I do not get the exact wor ding right . . . I believe now I am to move clauses.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: It is not a very long Bill, so I would like to move clauses 1 through 7.
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. It has been moved that clauses 1 through 7 be spoken to. Do the Members approve? Minister, continue. Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, clause 1 is self-explanatory. Clause 2 sets out definitions used in the Bill. The “hotel redevelopment” is defined as meaning the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, inclu …
Okay. It has been moved that clauses 1 through 7 be spoken to. Do the Members approve? Minister, continue. Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, clause 1 is self-explanatory. Clause 2 sets out definitions used in the Bill. The “hotel redevelopment” is defined as meaning the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, inclu ding renovation of the guest rooms, restaurants, bars, meeting rooms, spa, pool, beach club, kitchen, laun-dry and staff housing, as described in the summary of works and site plan submitted to the Minister on 19 April 2022. The “hotel developer” is Westend Proper-ties Limited. Clause 3 sets out the customs duty and tax concessions granted in respect of the redevelopment, as follows: (a) full relief from customs duty for a period of fi fteen years from commencement of the Bill in respect of any building materials, furnishings, fixtures and equipment which are necessary for the building, furnishing and equipping of the hotel redevelopment; (b) full exemption from hotel occupancy tax ot herwise payable in respect of the hotel for a period of fifteen years after the hotel’s opening date; (c) full exemption from land tax otherwise pay able in respect of the hotel for a period com-mencing six years after the hotel’s opening date and ending on the fifteenth anniversary of the opening date; (d) full exemption from the employer’s share of the payroll tax otherwise payable in respect of persons employed by the hotel for a period of fifteen years after the hotel’s opening date. Clause 4 sets out the terms and conditions subject to which the concessions are granted. The land tax exemption is subject to confirmation that in years six through fifteen at least 70 per cent of the hotel’s staff are Bermudian. The payroll tax exemption is subject to the operation of a management training programme at t he hotel for Bermudians. Clause 5 subsection (1) applies sections 7 through 13 of the Tourism Investment Act 2017 (which covers application of customs duty relief and duty payable on diversion, offences, penalties, regulations and guidance) with necessary modifications as those sections apply to a T ourism Investment Order made under that Act. Subsection (2) also applies section 6 of the 2017 Act with the necessary modifications to empower the Minister, with the agreement of the Mi nister of Finance and foll owing the consideration of any objections made by the hotel developer, to make an order modifying or repealing any provision of clause 3 or 4 if there is a breach of any term or condition to which the relief is subject, if a false declaration is made to the Collector of Customs, or if any goods which were imported subject to customs duty relief are used for purposes which do not relate directly to the hotel redevelopment. Such an Order is to be made by the Minister subject to the negative resolution proc edure. Clause 6 clarifies that this Bill does not modify the requirements of the Development and Planning Act 1974 as regard to obtaining any planning permi ssion necessary for the hotel redevelopment. Clause 7, Madam Chairman, provides for commencement.
The ChairmanChairmanSorry. I just reali sed I was on mute. Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to clauses 1 through 7?
The ChairmanChairmanMP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Sc ott PearmanThank you, Madam Chairman. I did not speak in the debate. So, let me commence here and now what I am speaking by d eclaring my interest. I am a partner of the law firm C onyers Dill & Pearman who are the attorneys for the developers in this cas …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. I did not speak in the debate. So, let me commence here and now what I am speaking by d eclaring my interest. I am a partner of the law firm C onyers Dill & Pearman who are the attorneys for the developers in this cas e. And in accordance with Standing Order 26(2), I will abstain from voting on this Bill. I do, however, observe that I am the Shadow Minister of Legal Affairs, and I do have a question on the wording of the Bill which I invite the Honourable Member to address now in Committee. That question, Madam Chairman and Ho nourable Minster, relates to clause 2 of the Bill, and it is on the second page of the Bill where we are getting the defining terms. And at the top of the page, the second defining term down is “hotel redevelopment .” And it states “means the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, including renovation of the guest rooms” et cetera. My question for the Honourable Minister is whether or not the hotel redevelopment concessions provided by this Act (which will extend to the guest rooms) are also to be understood as extending to the villas or condos. I am not sure what the correct phr aseology is, but the additional free- standing units. So, do es the hotel development and the phr aseology guest rooms ex tend to the condos and the villas or not? Or does it extend to only certain [ones] of them when they are in the hotel pool, et cetera? Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. 1302 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Are there any other Members who wish to speak? Or Minister , do you wish to reply? Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I prefer to wait and get all the questions and answer them at …
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. Sure. I see the Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader, did you wish to speak to clauses 1 through 7?
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. I do apologi se. Shadow Tourism Minister. Yes.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierYes. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Clause 3( c), where it mentions that “the hot el developer shall be entitled to the following relief —for a period commencing six years after the hotel’s opening date and ending on the fifteenth anniversary of the opening date, full exemption from land …
Yes. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Clause 3( c), where it mentions that “the hot el developer shall be entitled to the following relief —for a period commencing six years after the hotel’s opening date and ending on the fifteenth anniversary of the opening date, full exemption from land tax otherwise payable in respect of the hotel .” What I am trying to understand is land tax r elief commencing six years after the hotel’s opening date up until the fifteenth anniversary. What is ha ppening in the prior six years? Leading up to the six years what happens with land tax? Are they paying land tax or not? Shall I continue or . . .
The ChairmanChairmanYes, you may since the Minister has indicated he would prefer to get all questions so he can answer them.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierOkay. Under 4(1), terms and conditions, the Minister has stated here “ To qualify for the exemption from land tax [under section 3(1)(c)], the hotel developer shall, for the relevant period, confirm in writing to the Minister that in years six through fifteen at least 70% of the hotel’s staff …
Okay. Under 4(1), terms and conditions, the Minister has stated here “ To qualify for the exemption from land tax [under section 3(1)(c)], the hotel developer shall, for the relevant period, confirm in writing to the Minister that in years six through fifteen at least 70% of the hotel’s staff are Bermudian.” I guess what I was trying to understand here is up until that period of time, six years through fifteen, number one, how are we going to substantiate that? And are we going to be assisting along the way to e ncourage and to help the hotel get to that 70 per cent [Bermudian staffing] ? As stated earlier in the debate, we know that Southampton Princess has been over 70 per cent —a stellar example of how to get Bermudians involved. But that was during its heyday. These are different times. So, my concern is: How are we going to be able to help in substantiating this? Or is the Minister going to be working along with the hotel development to ensure that they get to this point? If they do not reach that point, of course we do not want the decl a-rations on clause 5 to kick into gear. So, I just want some clarification there. The second part of that is this stipulates b etween six years to fifteen years. What are we to assume after those fifteen years about 70 per cent [Bermudian] employment? There does not seem to be a clause to go be yond fifteen years. Southampton Princess was around, my goodness, 50 years. And so, I am just curious as to how that is going to work after fifteen years. This clause falls away after fifteen years. And what are they going to do about that? In addition to that, 4(2), where it talks about under terms and conditions “ To qualify for exemption from the employer’s share of payroll tax under section 3(1)(d), the Minister responsible for workforce development shall, for the relevant period, confirm in writing to the Minister, annually, that a management training programme for Bermudians is in operation.” I was wondering if the Minister would consider extending, not just for management training , because this is going to be a complete refurbishment. And there are going to be tons of new people involved, understanding that through the period of it being closed down there will be many of those former wor kers who will not be coming back to the table. Can they add [a stipulation] in here to ensure that training is done throughout many of the divisions? A hotel has so many divisions to it and aspects of it. What is happening to the training pr ogrammes for them? If we are going to stipulate for management training, are we also going to ensure that we stipulate for training in other areas which leads to management training? I think that’s it. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member Are there any other Members who wish to speak? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanI recogni se the Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to direct you to the interpretations and again “hotel redevelopment. ” Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I cannot hear the speaker.
The ChairmanChairmanOpposition Leader, do y ou have the microphone close to you? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I hear you. Can you hear me?
The ChairmanChairmanI hear you, yes. Are you able to hear, Minister? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: That’s better. That’s much better. Yes, thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, under the interpretation “[hotel] redevelopment ,” it reads “means the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, including renov ation of the guest rooms, restaurants, bars, meeting rooms ,” (et cetera) “as described in the summary of works and …
Thank you. Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, under the interpretation “[hotel] redevelopment ,” it reads “means the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, including renov ation of the guest rooms, restaurants, bars, meeting rooms ,” (et cetera) “as described in the summary of works and site plan submitted to the Minister on 19 April 2022. ” Can the Minister confirm when that site plan will be made available to the House? We are approving this C oncession Act without view ing or input on the site plan, so we are giving them a blank ticket because we do not know what is in the site plan as parliamentarians. Then I would like to direct [attention] to the customs duty section, that is [clause] 3. Just for clar ity, is this fifteen- year conces sion period that is applied here going to be the standard for the PLP going forward? And why have they moved from ten years to fifteen [years] ? Just for clarification for the community. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : Because they want to put our people to work .
The ChairmanChairmanContinue Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: While on that same . . . on [clause] 3(1)(a), it says “for a period of fifteen years from the commencement of this Act, full relief from [customs] duty in respect of any building materials, furnishings, fixtures and equipment which are necessary …
Continue Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: While on that same . . . on [clause] 3(1)(a), it says “for a period of fifteen years from the commencement of this Act, full relief from [customs] duty in respect of any building materials, furnishings, fixtures and equipment which are necessary for the building, furnishing and equipping of the hotel redevelopment .” So, what we are saying here is (and correct me if I am wrong) after the hotel is open, there will be no customs duties on anything that is not listed on . . . Sorry. There will be customs duty applicable to ever ything that is not listed in this paragraph. This speaks to the development ; it does not speak to what ha ppens after. So, they will be subject to customs duty on non-building material, so to speak, non- furniture items. Is that the intention?
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. Thank you. I was going to ask you to ask the question because I was not sure what specifically your question was. But thank you. You did that. Hon. N. H. Cole S imons: Okay. The second question I am just going to pigg yback on the Minister of …
Okay. Thank you. I was going to ask you to ask the question because I was not sure what specifically your question was. But thank you. You did that.
Hon. N. H. Cole S imons: Okay. The second question I am just going to pigg yback on the Minister of Tourism’s question on [clause] 3(c). Is the hotel currently paying land taxes now? And what is the scope of the current payment of the land tax, if they are paying? Now I wo uld like to direct you to terms and conditions, [clause] 4. And it says, in essence, “confirm in writing to the Minister that in years six through fifteen at least 70% of the hotel’s staff are Bermudian. ” Madam Chairman, I am in business as you know. And people seem to get around this qualific ation by hiring contract workers so that they can keep their employee numbers at a certain level —official employees —but then they bring contract workers on board to supplement. So, will that 70 per cent also apply to contract workers if we are truly, truly interes ted in protecting and providing opportunities for Bermudians? Because I do not want to see that those contract workers consist of 100 per cent nonBermudians and yet they are still economically benefitting fro m this hotel. As said earlier, we are for the hotel. We are for the development. But we just think that some of the concessions are too rich. And those are my questions. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Opposition Leader. Are there any other Members w ho wish to ask questions on clauses 1 through 7?
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. MP Richardson. You have the floor. I don’t see you. Thank you.
Mr. Jarion RichardsonThank you, Madam Chai rman. Just a question for the Honourable Minister as it relates to clause 2. I know my h onourable colleague has already raised a question on it. But I would like to ask the Minister: When would he anticipate circulating the summary of works and the …
Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just a question for the Honourable Minister as it relates to clause 2. I know my h onourable colleague has already raised a question on it. But I would like to ask the Minister: When would he anticipate circulating the summary of works and the site plan submitted to the Minister on 19 April 2022? Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, MP Richardson. Is that it? Thank you. Do any other Members have questions on clauses 1 through 7?
The ChairmanChairmanMP Dickinson, you have the floor.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonThank you, Madam Chai rman. Minister [INAUDIBLE ], clause 4(1) speaks to at least 70 per cent of the hotel staff being Bermudian. Does the Ministry have a measurement period over which the 70 per cent is to be determined? 1304 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House …
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Bermuda House of Assembly I raise this question because of the recent changes in the CBA [collective bargaining agreement] for Southampton Princess that moves the layoff threshold from 70 per cent occupancy to 85 per cent occupancy. Is there not a risk that the 70 per cent threshold may not be achieved? And is there some measurement in mind as respect to a timeframe that the Ministry is considering so that we can be sure to hold the developers to account for achieving this threshold? Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member Dickinson. Do any other Members have questions on clauses 1 through 7? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman. I would like to . . .
The ChairmanChairmanOpposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I have some more questions. I am just thinking about —
The ChairmanChairmanFor some reason I am not seeing you. Can you turn on your camera, please? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am going back to [clause] 3, custom s duty and tax relief. Can the Minister pr ovide an estimate of the quantum value of each of the items listed in the customs duty relief, items (a), (b), and (c)? We are …
Okay. Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am going back to [clause] 3, custom s duty and tax relief. Can the Minister pr ovide an estimate of the quantum value of each of the items listed in the customs duty relief, items (a), (b), and (c)? We are talking about forfeiting revenues. Is he in a position to provide the value of the amount in concessions for each of the four items listed under [clause] 3? Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. Thank you, Opposition Leader. The screen just disappeared for one second. Are there any other Members who wi sh to ask questions on clauses 1 through 7?
Mr. Hubert (Ki m) E. SwanOne question is: How many jobs would be created if this deal were shelved for six months? How many jobs would be created in that six -month period? The other question I have is: What would be the value of all the concessions if this deal is not consummated in …
One question is: How many jobs would be created if this deal were shelved for six months? How many jobs would be created in that six -month period? The other question I have is: What would be the value of all the concessions if this deal is not consummated in the not -too-distant future and the investors that are in place did not materiali se because they went to Cayman or Turks or somewhere else? What would be the value added proposition that is being put in a futuristic proposition as I hear now ? Those are my two questions of the three.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member Swan. Do any other Members have any questions on clauses 1 through 7? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Deputy Speaker.
The ChairmanChairmanIs that MP Zane De Silva? It sounds like him, but I don’t see him. MP De Silva, can you turn on your camera? And you do have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I would like to ask the Mi nister: Does he think that delaying this …
The ChairmanChairmanMP De Silva, which clause are you speaking to? Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: I am speaking to the third clause.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Does the Minister think that a delay with this project will benefit our people? Or does he think that it has to be put through now in order to kick -start this economy? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman, how does …
Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Does the Minister think that a delay with this project will benefit our people? Or does he think that it has to be put through now in order to kick -start this economy?
Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman, how does this pertain to clause 3 in regard to concessions? I am trying to make the connection to concessions.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Opposition Leader. Would you like to clarify your question, MP De Silva? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure. Sure, I would.
The ChairmanChairmanAnd make the connection for the Members. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure. If we do not have any concessions, we do not have any hotels opening and we do not have any jobs for our people. It’s very simple.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, just a point of order.
The ChairmanChairmanWhat is your point of order? Who is speaking?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. MP Dickinson, your point of order. Go ahead. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonI believe MP De Silva may be inadvertently misleading the House. Madam Chairman, the existing legislation currently provides for concessions. What is being s ought here is an extension of the existing regime. So, if nothing was done with respect to this legislation for six months, the existing legislation that …
I believe MP De Silva may be inadvertently misleading the House. Madam Chairman, the existing legislation currently provides for concessions. What is being s ought here is an extension of the existing regime. So, if nothing was done with respect to this legislation for six months, the existing legislation that is currently in place would apply. And so there would be no hardship for the developers because they w ould be entitled to year-one relief under this scenario, or under one in which the benefits were extended for an incremented period of time. Now, I am making that point only with respect to the start of concessions and not a point with r espect to the prior argument about the delaying of the project. The project can start as soon as tomorrow if there is an agreement with respect to the Government and the developer. And those concessions that would be operable would be the ones that are currently e nshrined i n law. All that is being done by this legislation is an extension of those to years 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15. I hope that provides some clarity for those who are confused.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, MP Dickinson MP De Silva, you — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I would like to reply. See, that is where the [former] Finance Minister is out to lunch. Because quite frankly —
Mr. Scott PearmanPoint of order, Madam Chai rman. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —the developer has already stated that if he does not —
The ChairmanChairmanMP De Silva. There is a point of order on the floor.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe are in Committee.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Unparliamentary language]
Mr. Scott PearmanPoint o f order, Madam Chai rman. MP Zane De Silva is using unparliamentary language. And it is simply not appropriate. Moreover, he spoke in the debate. This is a matter for Commi ttee. He should not just spout off what he wants to. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you for your point of order. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to clauses 1 through 7? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Madam Chairman. I am not finished.
The ChairmanChairmanWell, your camera is off MP De Silva. I thought you were gone. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am not going anywhere. Let me just state—
The ChairmanChairmanAre you speaking to the clauses, MP De Silva? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am speaking to clause 3 again.
The ChairmanChairmanYou cannot go back to general debate. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Clause 3, on page two.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: In fact, we can talk to clause 3(1)(a) and clause 3(1)(b).
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. I will vehemently disagree with anyone.
The ChairmanChairmanJust put your question to me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My question is: Does the Minister think that if this clause 3(1)(a) and (b) are not given to the developers that they will even start the project at all? So, whether it is one year, two y ears …
Just put your question to me.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My question is: Does the Minister think that if this clause 3(1)(a) and (b) are not given to the developers that they will even start the project at all? So, whether it is one year, two y ears or three years, will they start at all? Is this a showstopper in other words ?
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Bermuda House of Assembly Are there any other Members who wish to speak to clauses 1 through 7? There are no other Member s. Minister, do you have answers for the questions that have been put to you thus far?
Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I will do my best. In regard to —
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, could you have the camera turned on please? The camera is off. Hon. Vanc e Campbell: My apologies.
The ChairmanChairmanThat’s okay. Hon. Vance Campbell: In regard to the question in clause 2, under “ ‘hotel redevelopment’ means ,” there was some question of guest rooms. We do have an inspection team who will inspect, do their job. And what meets the definition that is included in this clause will …
That’s okay.
Hon. Vance Campbell: In regard to the question in clause 2, under “ ‘hotel redevelopment’ means ,” there was some question of guest rooms. We do have an inspection team who will inspect, do their job. And what meets the definition that is included in this clause will receive the relief but what does not meet the def inition will not be subject to the relief. But we do have an inspection team. I do not want to preclude what they have to do. They have that due diligence that they must perform in order for this redevelopment pr oject to receive the relief.
The ChairmanChairmanThere is a point of clarification on the floor. Minister, do you yield? Hon. Van ce Campbell: Yes, I do. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Minister. You referred to a definition of “ guest room. ” Where is that definition to be found? Hon. Vance Campbell: It says “ ‘hotel redevelopment’ means the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, including renovation of the guest rooms .” So that is a room …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Minister. You referred to a definition of “ guest room. ” Where is that definition to be found?
Hon. Vance Campbell: It says “ ‘hotel redevelopment’ means the Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment, including renovation of the guest rooms .” So that is a room available and accessible to the guests where they will stay. So, if it is not available to guests as a room, then it does not in general fit this definition. But, again, we have a team who will be inspecting and going through the process as the development pr ogresses.
Mr. Scott PearmanHonourable Minister, how is Parliament to know what is not a guest room?
Mr. Sc ott PearmanThank you, Madam Chairman. How is Parliament to know what is , and what is not , a guest room? [Crosstalk] Hon. Vance Campbell: We have all stayed in a hotel. It is a room that is fitted out with a bed, a bathroom, and it is where guests will …
Mr. Scott PearmanSo, does it or does it not include the additional condos? That was the original question. Hon. Vance Campbell: If it is a room that is available for guests to stay in who are staying at the hotel, then the team will evaluate whether or not it falls under the …
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, that may be silent in the Act, but I think you have said that if . . . I think what you are saying is that if the accommodation is being used as a guest accommodation for tourists, then it will fall under the regulations that govern it. I …
Minister, that may be silent in the Act, but I think you have said that if . . . I think what you are saying is that if the accommodation is being used as a guest accommodation for tourists, then it will fall under the regulations that govern it. I think that is what you are trying to say, in essence. And I don’t wish to [INAUDIBLE ] but I am just trying to clarify.
Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I’m still . . . In general, yes. That is the common- sense definition. But I am not trying to preclude the work of the team that will carry out inspections. I believe there was a question about land tax, the relief commencing six years after opening and whether or not tax will be paid in years one to five. The answer to that is yes. Land tax will be paid in years one to five and the relief will kick in in year six if the prerequisite of 70 per cent Bermudian emplo yment is achieved. There was a question as to how that would be substantiated. Well, we have the Minister of Labour who collects data in this area. In addition to the report received by the hotel operator, we can verify and check that against the information that is contained . . . that is in th e possession of the Minister respons ible for [Economy and L abour ]. The Minister for Economy and Labour has already been out on the road in an effort to talk about training and development and lay the groundwork for that training and development. So, from t hat perspective the Government will conti nue to assist. The Act refers to management training. But in order to be a viable hotel there must be training at each level. And for historical reasons where opport unities were not available, the focus tends to be on the management side, the training for management pos itions. But in order for a hotel to be viable, they have to have appropriately trained people at each level.
Bermuda House of Assembly There were questions as to the site plan being made available to the House. We will endeav our to make that available to the House as soon as possible.
Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Supplemental, if you allow . Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, I will yield. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, are you saying if the site plan is completed —
The ChairmanChairmanOpposition L eader, I have not recognised you. And you do not have your camera on. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Sorry. So —
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Hold on. Minister, do you yield to the Opposition Leader? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: He said yes.
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, my question is: If the agreement is already dated, are you saying it is not fully executed at this time? First question. And if it is not fully executed, then I accept what you are saying. But if it is fully …
Okay. Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So, my question is: If the agreement is already dated, are you saying it is not fully executed at this time? First question. And if it is not fully executed, then I accept what you are saying. But if it is fully executed, then I see no reason why it cannot come to the House. The question is: Is the agreement fully executed? If it is not fully executed, then I accept your comments that you will bring it to the House when it is done. But if it is fully executed, then I do not se e why it cannot come now. Can you give an explanation?
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Just like St. George’s — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can you give an explanation as to why we cannot have it delivered to the House now if it is executed?
Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I do not have it in my possession, and I have made a commi tment to deliver it the House and make it available to the House as soon as possible.
Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much.
The ChairmanChairmanMinister. Thank you. Continue, Mini ster. Hon. Vance Campbell: There was a question around what items would be subject to the relief. I believe this was on [clause] 3(1)(a). And it is only those items that are listed under clause 3(1)(a) that will be subject to the relief. There was …
Minister. Thank you. Continue, Mini ster.
Hon. Vance Campbell: There was a question around what items would be subject to the relief. I believe this was on [clause] 3(1)(a). And it is only those items that are listed under clause 3(1)(a) that will be subject to the relief. There was a ques tion around a 70 per cent requirement to be Bermudians and contract workers. I am not really understanding 100 per cent. The target is to reach 70 per cent Bermudians. And there may be contract workers that are required to be employed. But the 70 per cent is focused on Bermudian emplo yment and not contract workers.
Mr. Curtis L. DickinsonI think the Minister is a ttempting to answer my question. I guess, Minister, my question was we set a 70 per cent target of threshold. There has to be, I am almost certain, a period of time over which you are measuring date one to date . . . …
I think the Minister is a ttempting to answer my question. I guess, Minister, my question was we set a 70 per cent target of threshold. There has to be, I am almost certain, a period of time over which you are measuring date one to date . . . beginning to date end when you are trying to assess whether or not the 70 per cent target has been reached. Has there been any consideration given to what the contract is going to look like ? Or is that something that needs to be further developed by the Ministry of Tourism? Hopefully that helps to clarify the question.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, MP . Minister. Is that Minister De Silva? Not De Silva. Sorry. Minister Hayward. Hon. Jason Hayward: Just as a point of clarific ation— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He ain’t that good looking.
The ChairmanChairmanDo you yield to the Minister for his point of clarification? Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, I do, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Continue Minister Hayward. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Jason Hayward: As for most, Southampton Princess has more than 10 employees. They are mandated by law to complete the annual Em ployment Survey submission. Now, that submission is done at a time period where it takes into account seasonality. So, …
Thank you. Continue Minister Hayward.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Hon. Jason Hayward: As for most, Southampton Princess has more than 10 employees. They are mandated by law to complete the annual Em ployment Survey submission. Now, that submission is done at a time period where it takes into account seasonality. So, the 70 per cent that will be required will be in alignment with the reporting period for the annual E mployment Survey, and that is the period where we look at higher periods rather than periods of seasonality.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Minister Campbell. 1308 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: I appreciate the clarification from the Minister and hopefully that answers the ques-tion that was asked. There was a question around the delay and how I felt about that. You …
Thank you, Minister. Minister Campbell.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: I appreciate the clarification from the Minister and hopefully that answers the ques-tion that was asked. There was a question around the delay and how I felt about that. You know, I do not claim to be able to predict the future. I do know that the Premier and Minister of Finance spoke to the changing ci rcumstances in the world around supply chain issues. I have first -hand experience ––in a different place where I wear a different hat ––that costs continue to rise. So, all of these things would have to factor into a develo per’s decisions going forward into the future. Hence, it is important that this deal would happen now because we do not know how the circumstances will change. And just going back to an earlier question, Madam Chairman, the principal Act, the Tourism I nvestment Act 2017, provides a definition of what a “hotel ” means. And it says, under clause 2, interpret ation, it says “ ‘hotel’ means — “(a) an hotel as defined in the Hotels (Licensing and Control) Act 1969; and “(b) any other premises which the Minister is satisfied are or will be used for at least six months in any year to accommodate paying guests who are not ordinarily resident in Bermuda” . So, I hope that answers or addresses concerns that were expressed.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Continue. Or is there any other person who — Hon. Vance Campbell: I’m going through now to see if the re are any questions that I have not answered. I believe there was one around the breakdown of the concessions. What I will do is I will …
Thank you, Minister. Continue. Or is there any other person who — Hon. Vance Campbell: I’m going through now to see if the re are any questions that I have not answered. I believe there was one around the breakdown of the concessions. What I will do is I will use numbers generated by the Ministry of Finance. We have heard a number of different examples of numbers reporting to repr esent the same thing, but I will use the numbers. We are working with a figure as provided by the Ministry of Finance on the relief which estimates the relief to be about just over $121 million for the 15- year period. There is an estimate of $16 million for customs duty, $7.7 million . . . sorry, customs duty on the construction of $16 million, an estimate of customs on the operations of $7.7 million, payroll tax of $20.7 almost $20.8 million, hotel occupancy tax of $67.49 million, land tax of $9.379 [m illion], and that makes up the estimate as per the Ministry of Finance of $121 million and change. Madam Chairman, I believe that answers all of the questions that were asked.
Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanYes, Opposition Leader . Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: There was one other question that I am waiting for a response to. And that is the 15-year concession period. Given that we have other large investors on the horizon, will the 15- year co ncession period be the PLP’s standard …
Yes, Opposition Leader . Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: There was one other question that I am waiting for a response to. And that is the 15-year concession period. Given that we have other large investors on the horizon, will the 15- year co ncession period be the PLP’s standard for construction projects of this magnitude? And as we said earlier, we know that another one is supposedly in the pipes. Can they be guaranteed a similar 15 years or will they get the 10 years? Is the 15- year [concession] going to be the Government’s standard going forward or will 10 years be the standard and 15 years be an exception?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who have questions for the Minister?
The ChairmanChairmanYes, Shadow Minister. You h ave the floor.
Mr. L. Craig CannonierI did not get an answer. At least I did not hear it for clause 3(c) for a period commencing six years. I wanted to know concerning land tax. Up until that six years, is anything being paid? Are there any concessions that are being given to that already? We …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members who have questions for the Minister? Minister, you have two questions before you. Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I did answer the q uestion. They will be paying the land tax years one to five. I did answer that. I’m sorry if …
The ChairmanChairmanHe did say he did not get it. Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, I don’t mind repeating.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Hon. Vance Camp bell: And as it relates to what the future will look like, I did in my brief indicate that we are looking at the Tourism Investment Act [2017]. I am not going to preclude what the amendments might be. However, if we receive any applications, …
Thank you.
Hon. Vance Camp bell: And as it relates to what the future will look like, I did in my brief indicate that we are looking at the Tourism Investment Act [2017]. I am not going to preclude what the amendments might be. However, if we receive any applications, they will be considered prior to bringing the amendments. We will consider them on a case- by-case basis. And this is something I said we would do when this Bill was t abled for the House.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Are there any other questions on clauses 1 through 7?
Mr. Jarion RichardsonYes, Madam Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Who is asking the question?
The ChairmanChairmanMP Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion RichardsonIf the Honourable Minister would let us k now when the site plan would be circulated . [Crosstalk]
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, did you want to repeat your answer? Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, I did make a commi tment to present it to the House as soon as possible. And I think that is the thir d time that I have mentioned that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other questions for the Minister on clauses 1 through 7? There are no other questions for the Minister on clauses 1 through 7? Minister. Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I move that the . . . I believe I move here that the clauses be …
The ChairmanChairmanYes. It has been moved that clauses 1 through 7 be approved. Are there any objections? There are no objections. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 7 passed. ] Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections? No objections. Approved. Hon. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections? Agreed. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. [Motion carried: The Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022 was considered …
It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections? Agreed. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
[Motion carried: The Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment .]
The ChairmanChairmanI call on the [Deputy] Speaker. House resumed at 5:46 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2022
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Madam Chairman. Are there any objections to the Bill being approved? No objections. Approved. The next order of b usiness . . . There is no more business on the agenda. We will get the third readings . Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Vance Campbell: I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move the Bill ent itled Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerAre there any objections to that? Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL ACT 2022 Hon. Vance C ampbell: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerAre there any objections to the third reading? No objections. Approved. 1310 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: Fairmont Southampton Hotel Act 2022 was given a third reading and passed.] Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThank you, Minister. Hon. Vance Campbell: And thank you, colleagues.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerWe are at the end the order of business.
Mr. Premier.
ADJOURNMENT
Hon. E. David BurtpremierThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Friday, May 20 at 10:00 am. And I believe that some of my Members may wish to speak on the motion to adjourn as some of them did not get to speak on the general …
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThat’s all right. Are there a ny speakers? Minister Diallo Rabain, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Wow! I didn’t even ask. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Spe aker: I saw you up. You’re up there, so you caught my eye. When you catch my …
That’s all right. Are there a ny speakers? Minister Diallo Rabain, you have the floor.
Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Wow! I didn’t even ask. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Spe aker: I saw you up. You’re up there, so you caught my eye. When you catch my eye, I call you.
SIGNATURE SCHOOLS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. Well, thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, earlier today we di scussed a Bill that represents another critical milestone in the advancement of the economic recovery that this Government is needing. While the Government is committed to advancing the economic recovery of Bermuda, this Bill that we discussed and passed t oday signals to the world that tourism is alive and well in Bermuda and we are serious about making a r ecovery. We are serious about providing economic activity, economic growth, and career opportunities for the people of Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, while it might not be a pparent to som e of our colleagues, every decision this Government makes has an impact on our children, our young people and their families. Whether it be funding for schools, issues of social justice or major developments like the one that was discussed today, the effects are felt in our schools which are a micr ocosm of our society, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to start with our youngest learners. It is a well -known fact that our youngest learners have the best start in school when their par ents are meaningfully employed. With joblessness comes loss of income, [which leads to] families left without sufficient resources to meet the everyday basic expenses, families that are living u nder extreme stress and wondering how to make ends meet. That leads to an undesirable outcome for our children, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There is plenty of evidence that demonstrates [the bad effects on children], how the extreme stress of living under the pressures of trying to make ends meet [affects children], and the negative impacts that they have on our children’s health, social and em otional and cognitive development, behaviour, and of course the education al outcomes . Simply put, Mr. Deputy Speaker, children that experience these conditions with their families are more likely to experience a wide range of health problems including poor nutrition, chronic disease, and mental health problems. Mr. Deputy Speaker, just for those reasons alone, any chance, any realistic chance of getting Bermudians back into the workfor ce and increasing productivity is critical for our youngest learners in the start of life and education and deserves the full su pport of this House and our country. Mr. Deputy Speaker, now I would like to talk about our older learners. As the public and c olleagues within well know, we have embarked on an ambitious project to reform our public school system with the goal of enabling every person to lead personally and professionally, compete locally and contribute globa lly. One aspect of this, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is the i ntroduction of Signatures Learning Programmes in our senior schools. Mr. Deputy Speaker, each Signature [Lear ning] Programme has been based on a sector of the Bermudian economy. For each signature, there will be learning programmes and a range of learning oppor-tunities that enable our students to develop the skills, knowledge and relationships to allow them to follow their passions, build on their talents and achieve c areer and educational aspirations. Mr. Deputy Speaker, both phases of an i nfrastructure project, like the one that we discussed today, mean the construction, when fully operational, will impact the learning and work opportunities for young Bermudians. It is clear that there will always be a continuing need to maintain, redeve lop, and refurbish the buildings and physical infrastruc-ture across this Island of public and private sectors, starting with the Bill that we passed earlier today. Mr. Deputy Speaker, in September 2023 the Trades and Professions Signature Learning Pr ogramme will open at CedarBridge Academy. And pr ojects like hotel redevelopment are key to us being able to provide our children with the opportunities to thrive. The incoming S1 students at CedarBridge in fall 2022 will be entering into a Signature [Learning] Pr oBermuda House of Assembly gramme where they have now registered for Sign ature [Learning] Programmes such as carpentry, buil ding and construction, electrical, culinary arts, horticu lture and cosmetology. In addition to this, we intend to open in December 2023 another Signature Learning Programme focused on hospitality and tourism. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I want to take this time to stress that when we say hospitality and tour-ism, there are some people that think of only busboys and waitstaff and those types of jobs. And we know the stigmatism that goes with that. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as you very well know , as a person who is very well versed in the tourism industry, we have to stop thinking about only entry -level jobs when thinking of tourism and hospitality. We have to start thinking about areas like management, chefs, conference and event planners, sports tourism, managers in the hotels, maître d’s and jobs along those lines. This is what we can prepare our children to be successful at. They do not always have to be waiters and busboys and working in the kitchen, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the development of our Island’s infrastructure, which includes hotel develo pment like we discussed today, provides opportunities for our young people to apply when they are learn ing in school through our Signature [Learning] Pr ogrammes. We are talking about internships, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We are talking about extended worksite visits, shadowing industry professionals as they ha ndle and manage tasks, on- the-job opportunities for our learners to apply the knowledge and skills through project -based initiatives and solving real world problems. Potential employment contracts from this exposure can lead to jobs or trainee guarantees upon completion of their studies. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will never stop repeating over and over and over again until we get it. We are all in this together. We understand the need for political games. We all do, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in an attempt to one- upmanship every time we come up here to di scuss something that could potentially lead to better outcomes for our citizens. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, my heart was especially heavy when I was reading Opposition editorials this week in the newspaper. We have an opportunity, as we discussed earlier today, to invest n ot only into our future but into our people, but some have chosen instead to take this opportunity to use hollow, meaningless statements that help no one at the end of the day. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as we look to build better opportunities for our students, I hope more investors will want to come to Bermuda and invest based on what we have talked about today. The decisions we make in this House, Mr. Deputy Speaker, not only are providing pathways to investing in infrastructure and hotel redevelopments as we did today, we are inves ting in the future of our young people and the future of our economy. Mr. Deputy Speaker, stop playing the games, let’s get on with making Bermuda better than what it is for the people not only who are here today, but the children who are coming up. Thank you for allowing me those few m oments, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I appreciate you.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerGood afternoon, sir. EXCITING OPPORTUNITIES IN TOURISM
Mr. Wayne CainesIt is a privilege for me to speak this afternoon. I was in Huntsvi lle, Alabama for a graduation from local college and amongst the graduates was my niece. As I walked Bridge Street Mall this afternoon I was amazed by how many Bermudian families that I have seen. Mr. …
It is a privilege for me to speak this afternoon. I was in Huntsvi lle, Alabama for a graduation from local college and amongst the graduates was my niece. As I walked Bridge Street Mall this afternoon I was amazed by how many Bermudian families that I have seen. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Bermudians graduating today from Alabam a A&M, from Drake Technical College, from Oakwood University. It is a blessing and a privilege to see Front Street and Reid Street and Back o’ Town and Somerset all in Alabama celebrating over the milestones of our young people in this great state of Alabama. I am excited. Just now went out and [heard] Hey Bye! It was some of my friends and people [A UDIO SKIP 06:32:21] Bermudians. I was in the airport this morning picking up a rental car and I saw Mr. Douglas, he was the Chief Commissioner for the Olympic Committee. He was there too, and his grandson is graduating. So it is oftentimes we are very hard on ourselves, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but I see the fruit of our Minister of Education, and the teachers of Bermuda and the families of Bermuda as they all come down to celebrate our young people graduating with assoc iates and bachelors and masters and teaching degrees and degrees in accounting. Just so many. I counted about 15 different families this afternoon, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, as you know and I have shared with you personally, we have a challenge in constituency 14. And I am going to tie this into tourism. We had some challenges in our constituency, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We had an increase in gang- related activity in our constituency. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I watched this community come together. I watched them not shake their fist 1312 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly in the face of our society. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, this community has come together, twice a week community meetings. They have gotten together and they have cut do wn all the trees in the neighbourhood that were blocking and giving safe harbour to antis ocial behaviour. They have started as you know, Mr. Deputy Speaker, a community garden. Thank you to MP Zane De Silva who donated six loads of topsoil, and thank you t o Colonel Burch and his team for donating some of the mulch. There were so many peo-ple, both seen and unseen. This community came together to rid themselves of antisocial behaviour. But this is where the story is unique. The story is unique because one of the young men came to me and he said, Mr. Caines, I get it. Now that I am no longer doing what I know I should not have been doing, what do you have for me to do now? I thought; I pondered. I said, What do you mean for me to do now? He said, I am not out here doing this, ever ybody can judge me. If I have another opportunity, I can find another way . I can find other things to do. So, I put away my hat of judgment as we are oftentimes so prone to wear. And I asked him, What would you like to do? Mr. Deputy S peaker, he said, Anything in the hotel industry. I am good with people. I would love to work in the industry. I want to get my taxi licence, but things are slow out there right now. And I said to him, Are you familiar with w hat is going to take place at the Southampton Princess in the not -too-distant future? Watch this, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I said, Are you aware of what is taking place at the Southampton Princess? Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, a group of men started gathering around. So, what are you talking abou t, Mr. Caines? I said, In the not -too-distant future, man, we are going to have some construction at the hotel. We are going to see jobs ; we are going to see asbestos abatement. You are going to see security . You are going to see people doing the preliminary work, the construction work. There are going to be people doing demolition. There are going to be people up there who are going to make lunch carts for people to eat during the day. Everybody who wants work is going to be able to get a job! He said, What? I said, That’s right ! Listen, take this number down; call these people, yes? If you do not get work in the next six weeks, you are going to get work directly after that. But everybody who wants work is going to have an opportunity on this jobsite. He wa s like, Really? I said, Yes, gentlemen. Here are some numbers. Now, here we are and I heard the debate, I listened to the debate, but understand, I am in a constituency where they have had a hard time. They have not had work. They haven’t had opportunities . And I am not making any excuses for illicit behaviour. I do not want the record to reflect that. I am saying that I could not just look at them when I went to the consti tuency. I had to give them viable opportunities. What the Southampton Princess oppor tunity represents in the first instance is opportunity. It is young men; it is a country! Fifty years ago, it was built. It was the best job opportunities in Bermuda at the time when it was built. Why would it not be the same now? Our community needs an influx and infusion! And this project represents that. So, when this young man came to me, I did not give him empty platitudes. I did not give him blus-tering words. I gave him an opportunity. I gave him a name; I gave him some people that [he] could reach out to. Not just him —all of the young men sitting there, they were all buoyed. Don’t we know that high tide raises all boats? That the taxi driver when he goes and his taxi is full, and he goes to the airport three or four times a day, that means his grocer y cart is full! And the people at the grocery store eat! That means those who are relying on him to pay the rent, they are able to pay the rent! Those who are relying on him at the water service to buy water from A rchie, from Sousa’s, they are able to buy water! Do you not see the cyclical effect it would have on our country when our people are working? Do you not understand that this is an opportunity for us all? That the recently passed legislation is a good opportunity for this country. It is an opportunity for people to survive. It is an opportunity for people to thrive. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we are looking at the opportunity for group sales to drive Bermuda. What do group sales mean for Bermuda? This means that the economic tables will turn in our countr y, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Risk and reward? The reward is that a cou ntry that needs people on jet skis, the water ski, the jet ski places? Guess what? They are looking for people to work this summer, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The tour operators are looking for peopl e this summer. As we grow in tourism with this project, we will be able to see people getting more opportunities. I read an article by a good friend of mine, a former classmate. And I read the article about the Southampton Princess, and I shook my head in shame. I hung my head in shame, because som etimes you make decisions and write things, and we do not understand that whilst you are trying to score a point, some of us are trying to turn this country around. And, yes, there must be solid Opposition. There must be a robust Opposition. And we should never lose sight of what this country needs. We need opportunity. We need the opportunity not just to grasp, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the opportunity to rise.
Bermuda House of Assembly For so long our people hated and ran from the tourism industry because they could see us carrying a tray, but we were not seen going through the upper echelons in management and as general managers. That all has to change directly. It is quite true. We have bartenders and taxi drivers and chamber maids and servic e managers and hundreds of other pos itions that will be filled in Bermuda as a result thereof. Service providers, groundsmen, technicians, tourist attractions, event planners, florists. These are just some of the names of the people that will benefit from the aforementioned and recently passed legisl ation. This is a good time for Bermuda. This is what I will call the renaissance in tourism. As you know, I wear another hat in another place, and the team is excited, they are buoyed and they are grateful for the opportunity to see a renaissance, to have the ability to say, Look everybody! Look at what we are doing at Southampton Princess. We know that this will have a domino- like effect and a good effect on other people seeing Bermuda as a place for investment , seeing Bermuda as a place for investment! This represents a [ INAUDIBLE] tourism for our beloved Island. Unlike most places with some places say six degrees of separation, I say it is two or three. Many of us are seeing our family and our friends struggl ing to make ends meet. I believe, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that there is a correlation between antisocial behaviour and the lack of opportunity. I b elieve there is a direct correlation between antisocial behaviour and the increase of crime. I believe there is a direct correlation between the lack of opportunity and apathy in our country. This is a promise made and it is a promise kept. This is something that we all have to be proud of. Congratulations to all involved: the Ministers, the Premier, the former Mini ster of Finance. Congratul ations to all who have been a part of this project. It is good for our country. It is good for Bermuda. Mr. Deputy Speaker, so to the young men that I spoke to, [as] I left and I said, Oftentimes we are gi ven responsibilities and our responsibilities vary. We have an opportunity now to take you to the water. You know the adage, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You can take a horse to water —watch this —but you cannot make him think . You thought I was going to say make him drink . Oh, no. You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make him think. We want the people of Bermuda to think of what the future looks like, to think of what the opportunities look like. Roll up your sleeves, get ready for the opportunities, go and prepare yourself. Get y our GED, get the training that you need. The opportunity is not going to come and smack you on the head. Now that the Southampton Princess is opening, you must now tool yourself, whether it is to be a bartender, whether it is to be an HR director, whether it is to be a manager of finance. We have the opportunity now to be ready for the opportunity. The Government can only do so much. Now it is time for the people to get ready for the opportunity. If you have a trucking licence, prepare for the truck work. Y ou are going to have to work weekends, you are going to have to work Cup Match. You are going to have to work at night. But the time is coming when people are not going to be able to say there are no opportunities. Now––and I do not believe this is an elix ir. I do not believe that the Southampton Princess is an elixir and I believe that financial pieces are important, lest we think that the financial pieces are not important. I am saying that we have an opportunity as a country as this edifice is renovated, we can grow during the process. We can grow after the hotel is fi nished. But only can we have opportunities, or we have the opportunity to return. Now, when you look at tourism, this is not the end-all, be -all to tourism. [The Bermuda Tourism A uthority] h as a tourism plan. They are looking at infl uencer travel, they are looking at experience travel, they are looking at all forms of tourism to get people on this Island. The team is ready, they are prepared. They are led by Charles Jeffers, a talented leader . They are led by all young talented Bermudians who are ready, who are prepared. The visitor information service, the VIC, the VIC is trained with young Ber-mudians. Look at all our people. This weekend coming, the next weekend, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you cannot get a room in Bermuda. The country is sold out. Good news for us, yes! It is good news for us all; it is good news for tourism, and we have the opportunity to keep the momentum. We have the opportunity to now plan for group travel. We have the opportun ity to get the football teams into sports travel. We have the opportunity now with this hotel on the horizon to give people a clear blueprint of forming a schedule, if you please, as to what it looks for. So, wearing another hat as the Chairman of the Tour ism Authority, I am happy about the recently passed legislation. I am happy as an area MP that I can say to my parishioners there is an opportunity coming. But guess what? I am happy as a Bermudian. I am happy to say that we can see a silver lining, that we can see some hope, that we can say, Hold on! Help is coming. Hold on! A career is coming. Hold on! The Southampton Princess is coming. And sometimes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you have to have a North Star. People think that the North Star . . . yes, I am talk ing astronomically. I am talking about hope, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So, let me tell you what this represents for me. This represents a country that has been struggling for a very long time. This is an ember. So, we can say, You know what? We can do it! Oh, w e have had a couple of failings in the past. We tried, but we tweaked it a bit. We showed how it was done and how we can do it differently. We 1314 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly have built on that and guess what? The country has a hope. They have something to look for. It allows us to hope, to stick our chest out and say, You know what? In my sphere as a business leader, I am going to be ready . I am going to stand on my toes. In my business as an educator, Southampton Princess —they are doing it. They are going in the right direction. I can s tand on my toes. This represents hope for our people. And do not let the naysayers, do not let the people that are archaic, that are aggrandised, that are having oppor-tunities to make this look bad, don’t play to their hands. Let’s hold each other account able for the f inancial elements of it, yes. But more importantly and equally as important, let’s look to the future, what it represents for tourism, for group travel, what it repr esents for sports travel, what it represents for emplo yment, what it represents for the cyclical parts. Let’s talk about how that is going to affect Henry VIII , how that is going to affect Gulfstream , how it affects the taxi drivers, how it affects everybody. This high tide will raise all boats. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am so exci ted about the recently passed legislation. I am just so excited about tourism. I am excited about my country. In the next six weeks they will roll out a new brand cam-paign. Mr. Deputy Speaker, you will love the campaign when you see what we look like, what we will present to the world. We will be excited about the new brand campaign that will be rolled out. And so, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I thank the Tourism Minister for being our leader, for coming in and taking this leadership mantle, for shepherding through this legislation, for making it clear to us that this country has hope, that we have an opportunity, the Sout hampton Princess, and that this is indeed good news. This is indeed good news. This represents a bright future. This is a renaissance for our country and I look forward to the future. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerThe Speaker recognises the Honourable Member Kim Swan. Mr. Swan, you have the floor. MP URGES UK GOVERNMENT TO TAKE SERIOUSLY THE MURDERS HAPPE NING IN BE RMUDA
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanThank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I start off my contribution on the motion to adjourn this evening on a bit of a sombre note to start off with because we have had some deaths in our community, in the same area. And while some are under investigation, …
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I start off my contribution on the motion to adjourn this evening on a bit of a sombre note to start off with because we have had some deaths in our community, in the same area. And while some are under investigation, it certainly is tax-ing on the emotions of area residents. And I know I speak for all of us who are in St. George’s, who whether or not it be a road traffic accident or wheth er or not it is someone whose lifeless body is found, there are people who live in close proximity around where those incidents take place. I am starting this off by acknowledging the Minister of National Security, my friend, the Honour able Michael Weeks who has certainly come in as N ational Security Minister a baptism by fire. And I say that because I remember when we first met. It was in 2009 when he was —
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The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Swan, you are breaking up. I do not know what has happened. W e cannot hear you wholly. Honourable Member Swan? Mr. Swan?
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerMr. Swan? Honourable Member Swan? Honourable Member Swan? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Deput y Speaker, if I could make a suggestion? If the Honourable Member turns off his camera, because it seems his connection is bad, but I am not sure if he can hear you.
The Deputy SpeakerDeputy SpeakerYes. Hon. E. David Burt: [If we tell him] to turn off his camera and then we might be able to hear him.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanAnd I am going to move to a slightly different location which might give me a better connection. When I met the Honourable Member Michael Weeks, it was during the time period, Mr. Deputy Speaker, when the gang violence was taking hold. I spent a lot of time in the …
And I am going to move to a slightly different location which might give me a better connection. When I met the Honourable Member Michael Weeks, it was during the time period, Mr. Deputy Speaker, when the gang violence was taking hold. I spent a lot of time in the community of which he is the Member of Parliament. Prayer vigils, visiting families and the like. And during that time there was a byeBermuda House of Assembly election and we will not go into the amount of votes that he got and the amount of votes that the person that I was supporting got, but it certainly was an eye opener. But notwithstanding that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it spoke to a situation that was certainly limited to the Black community. Whilst it had national impact, it was being felt specifically in that community of which constituencies 15, 16, 14 hover around. Since that time, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that particular problem has spread itself to other communities t hroughout Berm uda. I remember and I know you remember better than I do probably, Mr. Deputy Speaker, when the former Premier, Dr. The Honourable Ewart Brown had a strategy to involve some top gang mitigators from the United States, as Premier of Bermuda. But b ecause he was Premier of Bermuda in a colony which has a Constitutional Order that was issued in 1965, as Premier of Bermuda and someone who certainly was not afraid to make a decision, he was unable to act on that strategy of which he was well famili ar with. He presented that strategy to the Foreign and Common-wealth Office through Government House, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And it was not accepted for this country. So, let’s move forward some 15 years later and some $10 million of investigating that same H onourable Member, and today we have had numerous dozens of murders in this country. My first question today is, Where is the Commission of Inquiry that has been generated by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office into the proliferation of murders in this country which disproportionately impacts the young Black males of this country? Where is it? We see Commission of Inquiries on other things that may be of a financial nature. If no one in the UK Government sees that this is a national crisis, tell me why not? I want to know. I deserve to know! We deserve to know! They put colony . . . we are a colony with a Constitutional Order. They need to step up to the plate and take ownership with something of which they are totally responsible for. We have national secur ity Ministers who have limited budgets that are impacted by budget con-straints that have to make decisions based on whet her or not the money is going to go to one area or the other. We know all about that. But saving lives, losing lives, murders . . . the [number] of families that have been disrupted, the generational problems that have come with all these murders has not warranted a Commission of Inquiry from the United Kingdom Gov-ernment! I am calling for the Commissioner for Human Rights of Europe to look into that. Yes, I am! Because in this small little colony, if we step out of line financially, they would be on us like a ton of bricks! I am here to say that my people and our lives matter! They matter! Mrs. Robinson who has lost a . . . Mrs. Tucker who has lost a son, Mrs. Jo nes has lost a son! All these families up and down this country, notwithstanding, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the young people who were five and three and four when I first met the Honour able National Security Minister and did not know tha t he grew up in that very community. Why did I not know him? Well, I did not hang out there. I did not know that he was related to 98 per cent of the people in Pembroke and Devonshire and all around. I did not know his family came [ INAUDIBLE ], many people in Bermuda probably did not know. But I am here to say this, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That is the disconnect that exists in this country. But let me tell you this: when a murder happens on South Shore in Warwick it is less than a mile away from South Shore or Harbour Road in Warwick. It is getting close. Are we going to wait until something happens in that realm, Mr. Deputy Speaker? I am cal ling on the British Government or the European Court or someone in Human Rights in this world to look at the proliferation of murders that are disproportionately ripping the soul out of our country and our people. It is a national tragedy. It is not good enough so say, Oh, well, they can go and leave and go somewhere else. What disruption is that causing to the social fabric of this country? You know, when the police mis -stepped in 2016 . . . and I know very well. I had to look and weigh out the evidence. The Governor did not waste any time bringing in Mr. She ad to review, and I would urge anyone to read his peer review and s ee the indictment that he levelled out in a way in which a certainly Bri tish English language can portray very politely, tell you very nicely that you have done wrong, any and many utterances in that space. But we forget about that, That was necessary. Why ? Because you had an ac ting Governor in 2016, the third Governor in that year presiding over the country. You talk about instability? In 2016, you had three Governors making nationally significant decisions. What continuity was there, save and except that all the players were being called in from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office? So, it was important to commission a peer review. Why isn’t it important to commission a review on releasing a national security that you preside over where almost 40 Bermudians have been murdered in this country? Why isn’t that as important? Tell me why.
[Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Acting Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanAnd yes, I am going to send these comments around the world to people I know in Europe that deal with human rights, and the United Nations that deal with human rights, because our country, our social fabric is being ripped asunder! Our people are fleeing our country! Exodus! You …
And yes, I am going to send these comments around the world to people I know in Europe that deal with human rights, and the United Nations that deal with human rights, because our country, our social fabric is being ripped asunder! Our people are fleeing our country! Exodus! You all listen to Bob Marley. Exodus is happening 1316 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly right here in Bermie. More of our families are in Bri stol, in Manchester, in Birmingham, in Nottingham than in Bermie -ham! And that concerns me. Now, I love the UK. I love playing golf. That is where I plied my trade, but I love Bermuda ! And the British government cannot sit ther e and look at Bermuda only from a financial standpoint. There is great disruption in our social fabric, and if you preside over the police, if you are responsible for external security, our external security is at risk because, internally, we have made a s ocial problem that is spilling over as murder! “Murder She Wrote” is happening here! Madam Acting Speaker, we have a $5 billion problem. We have a $3 billion debt and I am sure we will have $2 billion more in order to deal with certain things, save and ex cept for the fact that we found a way to get some inward investment in this country. It is not good enough for people to say, you need to get an investment , and then when people who are already committed to the country are here to invest inwardly, we have got to start rowing. You cannot talk about wanting to row in the same direction and then doggone throw out stumbling blocks to prevent it. Because the whole . . . look, in 2005 when Bermuda enjoyed the best economy ever, it was not under UBP. It was not under OBA. It was under the PLP! And a global recession ripped the heart and soul out of Bermuda and out of the entire world. But the detractors of the PLP framed it such that many internally thought it was Bermuda- driven decisions that were causing people to flee —nothing to do with [Bernie] Madoff, nothing to do with [Allen] Stanford, nothing to do with the fact that XL went down to $2, nothing to do with AIG changing their name. Nothing to do with decisions made in boar drooms. Only the PLP could cause a gl obal recession! Only the PLP could cause a pandemic! Boy, we have got some power, don’t we? What time is it, Madam Acting Speaker? It is time for Britain to take ownership for what it presides over in one of its colonies that is seeing murder to a great degree. I accept the fact that I am ruled by a Constitutional Order. But I do not accept the fact that you are not taking ownership for what your respons ibility is under that Order. I have a problem with that, because I am tired of seeing my friends come and say, My son has been murdered and no one is able to investigate it properly , and the like, and I want answers. But it has gone deeper than that because it has run into a second generation bordering on a third. Even to this day, you do not have a Commi ssion of Inquiry on that, and this should bother ever yone in this country. You know, the Honourable Mem-ber Chairman of the Tourism Board . . . Madam Acting Speaker how much time do I have left? Sorry? You are muted.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerMember, you have fiv e minutes. Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Oh, five minutes. I am getting better. I asked when I have only got five and not one! The National Tourism Strategy, the National Tourism Plan has spelled its name Agility . And you know, one of those is …
Member, you have fiv e minutes. Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Oh, five minutes. I am getting better. I asked when I have only got five and not one! The National Tourism Strategy, the National Tourism Plan has spelled its name Agility . And you know, one of those is local involvem ent. The L in Agil ity is local involvement. Our people are paramount to us moving forward. We want to invite Bermudians into the industry. We want to train Bermudians in the i ndustry. We want to involve Bermudian musicians in the industry. But we also want to convey to Bermudians that it is important that we have zero tolerance for any type of, I would say, criminal activity geared at visitors or locals . So, that bothers me, as well as something we need to be mindful of. Because nothing can do more harm in tourism than having bad PR g oing out by word of mouth. So, we have a job to play. And we need to be a year -round destination. That is the Y in Agility. And tell me, how can you be a year-round destination if hotels are not flying to your country? Tell me. It is impossible!
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerMember, I think you mean ai rplanes. Hotels do not fly.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanIf you do not have people flying to the country in airplanes to put people in the hotel beds, but you have got to have some beds for the people to want to make a decision to fly to Berm uda! And when you have sufficient beds to do so, …
If you do not have people flying to the country in airplanes to put people in the hotel beds, but you have got to have some beds for the people to want to make a decision to fly to Berm uda! And when you have sufficient beds to do so, they will put on more flights . . . what? In anticipation. And the T in the Agility is teams and groups. Because you recognise even before the Fairmont closed this plan came out. It says we need teams and groups, and what happened during the pandemic is that it closed. So, we needed teams and groups before, did not have the capacity to deal with teams and groups when they closed and so now, we have a strategy in place to . . . what? To strategise and plan our strategy around teams and groups in the not -too-distant future. Who in their right mind would want to stop at that opportunity? I wonder why if they do. And you know what? I am running out of time, so I will just end there, Madam Acting Speaker. We have a $5 billion problem. It would be nice to get a few billionaires loving Bermuda the same way Mr. Ludwig loved Bermuda, the same way Mr. Juan Trippe loved Bermuda. Because the top of the food chain can make decisions on a dime that brings everybody along with them. I happen to have known one or two in my lifetime. I happen to know one or two t oday. So, my efforts going forward, Madam Acting Speaker, will be to try to encourage greater inward investment. No matter where I am, no matter where I sit, I will fight for Bermuda until I die. And I urge the UK Government to take seriously the murders hap-pening in our country. Thank you.
Bermuda House of Assembly The Acting Speaker: Thank you, Member Swan, for those comments. Are there any other Members who wish to speak on the motion to adjourn?
Hon. E. David Burt: If there is no one else, Madam Acting Speaker, I am happy to close.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerAnd that is fine, Premier. I will just put out one more call just in case someone did not hear. Are there any other members who wish to speak on the motion to adjourn? If there are not, the Premier will close us out with his comments on motion to …
And that is fine, Premier. I will just put out one more call just in case someone did not hear. Are there any other members who wish to speak on the motion to adjourn? If there are not, the Premier will close us out with his comments on motion to adjourn. Premier, I think you have the floor. No one has answered the call.
FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON HOTEL Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Acting Speaker. Madam Acting Speaker, I will certainly be brief today as we have had a lot of significant business which we have done. But the most significant bus iness, of course, was the passage wit hout objection of the Fairmont Southampton Hotel Bill. Certainly, I wish to echo the words of some speakers who have spoken for the excellent work which has taken place to get us to this point. And there is a significant amount of energy and effort that has been expended. And as Members of the caucus will know, it has not been an easy process. But I think that the step today is a step in the right direction and we are going to look to make sure that we can move this deal to fruition. Democracy is that not everyone is going to agree. And one of the challenges is, of course, when you have a very large parliamentary majority that it is difficult to get everyone to agree. But certainly, and of course, Madam Acting Speaker, we know there are Members who wanted to speak who didn’t and so that is disappointing for me because it is a very, very, very, very big Bill. It is major and there are a lot of persons who will be able to be helped and assisted should this project come to final fruition. And that is the intention that the Government continues to work on. So, as I said, this is another step, it passes as a designated site order. We have gotten this done, read the heads of terms and are now trying to make sure that we bring the deal to final close.
VIOLENCE IN BERMUDA
Hon. E. David Burt: As I speak, Madam Acting Speaker, I will be very brief. I certainly want to speak to the recent issues of violence inside of our comm unity, and I will be speaking later about Mother’s Day. But certainly, as we heard during Congrats and Obits earlier, and as you would certainly know, Madam Ac ting Speaker, from your neck of the woods, there are significant losses that are being experienced inside of our community. And I know that the Minister of N ational Security spoke passionately about this particular situation. I know that Members on the ground such as MP Caines, who spoke about the community work and community effort of which we are doing, and we know there are a lot of MPs who are involved in that level of community work. And so, from that perspective I want to, I guess, encourage us as leaders in our community to make sure that we do what we can to engage directly. This is not as the Minister said a police pro blem. This is an all -of-us issue , and we have to make sure that we are engaging directly and not, you know, turning a blind eye. Madam Acting Speaker, I have challenges in my own family. And it has been difficult to, you know, grapple with those realities. And there is a sometimes a sense of resignation. But the thing is that we cannot throw our young people away. We have to make sure that we engage and find ways to engage them pos itively. Certainly, economic growth and opportunities will help. But we also have to recognise that even when there is economic growth and opportunity, we have to make sure that we are doing whatever we can to channel positivity into our youth. So, I would like to certainly thank all of the MPs who are doing their work inside their respective communities and constituencies. And if you are not doing work inside of your communities to engage young persons, then let us do more, because that is what is necessary. The Minister of National Security has said that he wants to make sure that we are convening everyone, getting us to continue to work and it is vital that we do that. You know, it is Heritage Month. The theme is togetherness. And that is a fitting theme, but right now it is understood that there is not the sense of toget herness in our community. And as leaders, we have to make sure we represent that, you know, taking that on and making sure that we embody that spirit which is necessary for us to do.
TEACHER APPRECIATION WEEK
Hon. E. David Burt: In speaking further, when we are talking about our young people, there are people, Madam Acting Speaker, as you would know, who are very important to young people in the community and that is our teachers. And this week is Teacher Appr eciation Week. And as a parent of school age children in Year 1 and Year 3 at the Northlands Primary School, I would lik e to recognise the invaluable work of our teachers as we conclude Teacher Appreciation Week. And the fact is that teachers have been called upon to deliver in extraordinary circumstances over the last two years. They have had to be flexible. They 1318 6 Ma y 2022 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly have had to deal with lots of challenges with their st udents. They had to adjust. But they do not lose that, I would say, drive to make sure they are imparting education for our young people. I remember when I went to my parent -teacher conference and I asked the t eacher, I said, You have to do all of this? There is so much that teachers must do. It is not just during that time, it is the preparation afterward. And so, I want to make sure that I recognise our teachers on Teacher Appreciation Week. Though, as will be known, we are continuing to work with our union partners to make sure that we can pr ovide the best environment for our educators. I want to make sure that they know and understand that they are recognised and appreciated by everyone in this Honourable House, who I am sure want to recognise and appreciate the teachers of this country.
MOTHER ’S DAY
Hon. E. David Burt: I will close, Madam Acting Speaker and this of course applies to you as well, as you are a former teacher, but also, you are a mother and we celebrate in this country Mother’s Day on Sunday. And mothers are without question a foundational part of our families and certainly of our comm unities. And as we look to celebrate the first fully, I would say nonrestricted Mother’s Day since 2019, I sincerely hope that as a community we can enjoy that together and recognise the tireless work that mothers have done over —
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerPremier, I lost you. I lost your . . . I cannot hear you. Hon. E. David Burt: Am I back now?
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, you are. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. I am so sorry. What was the last thing you heard, Madam Acting Speaker? The Acting Speaker: You started to say mothers something— Hon. E. David Burt: Did you hear me recognise you as a mother?
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerWe are superheroes, I know that! Hon. E. David Burt: No question and certainly, you know, I got to see the superhero power because Kri stin went away for a few days and my mother came over to assist with my young children. And the fact is that it was …
We are superheroes, I know that!
Hon. E. David Burt: No question and certainly, you know, I got to see the superhero power because Kri stin went away for a few days and my mother came over to assist with my young children. And the fact is that it was lovely to catch up and to speak, so we are all going to be celebrating this weekend as a family for Mother’s Day. But I certainly must recognise the tireless, hard work that mothers have done over these last two years in which things did not slow down. And a lot of times pressures increased in families. In some cases, in many cases we know mothers are primary caregi vers and they became at -home teachers, teaching assistants, doing things, filling in, taking care of family. So I want to recognise, celebrate in hono ur of my colleagues in this Honourable House who are mothers, you, Madam Acting Speaker and the other mothers inside of this Honourable House. I do believe that every single Member of the House of Assembly who is female is a mother. And I certainly wanted to recognise and honour them in the work which they do, not only, you know, service here, but also raising families. And certainly, there are the public officers as well. And so, to all the mothers in Bermuda, I want to certainly say on behalf of the Gov ernment of Bermuda and all Members, I want to thank you for all that you do. It is certainly the love and nurturing of mothers that help make us who we are. It is also your strength and the lessons you share with us that are guiding lights to children as t hey navigate this journey called life. And one day is not enough to celebrate what our mothers mean to us, but I am happy that we will cel ebrate and recognise them on Sunday. So, I just wish a Happy Mother’s Day to all of our mothers in this place, and al l of our mothers in Bermuda. And with that, Madam Acting Speaker, thank you for your work and I am happy to see you in two weeks.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, thank you Mr. Premier, and I would like to end by extending Happy Mother’s Day on behalf of the Deputy Speaker, Mr. Derrick Burgess, and myself. As I said, we know the stellar work that we do, us mothers, and I wish everyone, every mother and more importantly, every …
Yes, thank you Mr. Premier, and I would like to end by extending Happy Mother’s Day on behalf of the Deputy Speaker, Mr. Derrick Burgess, and myself. As I said, we know the stellar work that we do, us mothers, and I wish everyone, every mother and more importantly, every grandmother a very, very Happy Mother’s Day. Thank you, thank you all Members and have a wonderful weekend.