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House of Assembly Session 2021/2022 492 speeches

March 21, 2022

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Session Summary

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This was a budget debate session focused entirely on education spending for the upcoming year. Education Minister Diallo Rabain presented detailed budget allocations for the Ministry of Education headquarters, Department of Education, Libraries and Archives, and Bermuda College. The Minister outlined major education reforms underway, including new specialized programs starting in September 2022 at the two senior schools - Berkeley Institute will offer Finance/Insurance and Health/Social Care programs, while CedarBridge Academy will focus on Building Trades and STEM programs. The budget includes significant funding increases to support these reforms and continued COVID-19 safety measures in schools.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 21, 2022
Session 2021/2022
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Speakers 23
Speeches 492

Key Topics

Budget debate for the Ministry of Education for 2022/23 fiscal year ($135.35 million total)Education Reform initiatives, including new signature learning programs at Berkeley Institute and CedarBridge AcademyIntroduction of parish primary schools and phasing out of middle schoolsCOVID-19 safety measures and supplies for public schoolsScholarships and awards programs for students

Bills & Motions

Motion to resume Committee of Supply for budget consideration - approved
Budget estimates for Ministry of Education (Heads 16, 17, 18, and 41) presented for debate
No bills were formally read or voted on during this session

Notable Moments

Minister announced that 60 public school students enrolled in the College Promise program in 2021, which provides $5,000 scholarships to Bermuda College for graduates with 3.0+ GPA
Recognition of recent community losses, including Leonard Postlethwaite Jr. and Keith Neville Bean, who was remembered for his significant community service
Emphasis on maintaining school history and legacy through a new History and Legacy Committee as older school buildings are phased out

Debate Transcript

492 speeches from 23 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Today’s session is just about to begin. Ms. Beale, would you like to open with pra yer? PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Kara Beale, Assistant Clerk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ms. Beale. Good morning, Members . The House is now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 14 March 202 2]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes from the 14th of March 2022 have been circulated. Are there any amendments or adjustments required? There are none. The Minutes of the 16th and 18th of March 2022 have been deferred. [Minutes of 14 March 202 2 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There is one paper this morning from the Minister of Finance. Premier, would you like to present your paper? [No audible response]
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. [No audible response]
The Speaker The Speaker We are moving on. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STA TEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Statement this morning from the Minister of Works. Minister Burch, would you like to present your Statement at this time?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. FORECAST FOR HIGHWAYS WORKS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide the House with a report on the state of the Island’s roads and the various trenching projects ongoing and projected for the upcoming year. Mr. Speaker, you will recall that the Ministry of Public Works entered into a partnership with BELCO for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, that wa s the only Statement this morning so we will move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, with your one Statement no one has indicated a question, so there is no Question Period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member wish to participate at this time?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it with profound sadness that I offer condolences to my family of Mr. Leonard Postlethwaite, Jr. , who lived Devonshire. Certainly , Mr. Speaker, his father, his mother, his wife, Erlene. Oh my gosh, Mr. Speaker, it is very sad for us at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? Before we move on then, I would just like to add one comment this morning in [regard to] the pas sing of Mr. Keith Nev ille Bean who was funeralised in Somerset …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, this now leads us to the O rders of the Day. Again, for the listening audience, we are in the resumption of the Committee of Supply for the further consider ation of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23 with the Budget Debate. Today is the …
The Speaker The Speaker The Deputy Premier will move us into Committee. 1048 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wa lter H. Roban: Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And good morning to Members and the listening public. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in the Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? There are none. MP Foggo, will you assume the Chair?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 10:1 4 am [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2022/23 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good morning to the listening aud ience. Good morning to Honourable Members. Members , we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. The Heads for debate are 16, 17, 18, and 41. I call on the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Minister. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, today I am pleased to present the budget of the Ministry of Education, which comprises the Ministry of Education Headquarters —Head 16; the Department of Educ ation—Head 17; the Department of Libraries and A r-chives —Head 18; and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may move on. And Member, let me just tell you that we are 23 minutes short of breaking for lunch. And at this time we will continue at 2:00 pm and at that time the debate wi ll continue up until 4:45, as the official start time was …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, continue. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, I do have probably about 20- odd minutes (I want to say) for Bermuda College. I do not know if you want to end at 12:30 or continue and just let me finish with this. Or we could break early and …
The Chairman Chairman Well, if w e are going to break maybe what you can do is just give the introductory sentence 1068 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly of Bermuda College or introductory paragraph and then we can break at about 12:20- ish and then return. Hon. Diallo …
The Chairman Chairman So then you can give the complete . . . yes. HEAD 41 —BERMUDA COLLEGE Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you for your gui dance. Madam Chairman, the Bermuda College’s mission is T o provide the community with innovative programmes, training, support services and access to partnerships that lead …
Mr. Peter Sousa. Other members of the Board are • Mr. Nasir Wade, Deputy Chair • Mr. Tulani Bulford • Ms. Whitney Butterfield • Mrs. Cherie Dill • Mr. Thomas Christopher Famous, JP, MP • Mr. Frank “Chip” Gillis • Mr. Jerome Reid, Jr. • Mrs. Branw yn Smith -King, and • Mrs. Charmaine Tucker Ex-officio Members are: • …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. It is now 12:21. We are in Committee of Supply on the Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41. We will break for lunch at this time and we will resume at 2:00 pm. So, Minister I would ask that you break us for lunch. Hon. Diallo V. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Minister. It is now lunch time and I will see Members back here at 2:00 pm, at which time Chairman Neville Tyrrell will take you into the next portion of your debate. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and thank …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Members. Bermuda House of Assembly We are continuing in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expendi ture for the year 2022/23. We are debating the Department of Education, Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41. The Minister has already done Heads 16 and …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, say that again, I did not catch that. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I got one page into Head 41.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I apologise. HEAD 41 —BERMUDA COLLEGE [Continuing] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Working with the Bermuda Insurance Institute, Bermuda College established two courses in its insurance concentration that will allow students waivers for two of the Institute’s Chartered Property Casualty Underwriter (CPCU) examinations. The College also developed a Re/Insurance …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members who wish to speak to this?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask a few questions.
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, I recognise you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I would like to begin by thanking the Minister. That was a fulsome brief. It certainly is an awful lot of 1072 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly information to receive at one time, but I also apprec iate receiving a full overview of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I would just like to speak about the Board of Education for a bit. They certainly have a significant role to play in the strategic direction of education in Bermuda and are a part of our reform and Plan 2022. One of the strategic exercises …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Could the Member direct us to what page and line item she is referring to?
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson, please.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I am speaking generally to Head 16, Ministry of Educat ion Headquarters, and I am starting on page B-128, or B -127. I am speaking generally.
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson, please, I was trying to interrupt you by answering the Minister’s question. Minister, I did give . . . the Member did say that she was goi ng to speak more generally, and I was giving her a bit of latitude. But I am going to remind Member …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, very much. Remaining on page B -127 and I am still speaking generally to the Ministry of Education Hea dquarters. I had a few questions around the Bermuda Educators Council. And again, I am connecting the Board of Education and what some of their functions …
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson, are you happy with that?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I most certainly am. Thank you very much.
The Chairman Chairman Move on, please.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. But I just have a couple of additional questions around the Bermuda Educ ators Council. And yes, because they report to the Mi nister and because it is — POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Once again, a point of clar ification, Mr. Chairman. The Bermuda Educators …
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson, that should be a little clearer for you now. Yes?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. I’ll leave it alone. Thank you. My next topic is the Education Authority. The Minister had mentioned that there is a committee that has been for mulated in order to start the process of the Education Authority, and I am just wondering (1) whether there is a timeline of …
The Chairman Chairman Member, can I just pause you there. You seem to be taking a lot of unusual lines. You haven’t really asked any questions. You have made many statements. You are aware that this is what you should be doing in terms of the Budget Book which we are debating.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, and I am taking advantage, as I mentioned earli er that within the Standing Orders I can speak to policy and services as well asking financial questions. And while we are on the overall Ministry of Education and Headquarters I would like to speak and lay the groundwork for …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I will let you go on.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. In the budget going all the way back . . . and I am still on page B -127, Ministry of Educat ion, Head 16, and I am just setting general questions. I notice that back in 2020 there was a proposal for a mem orandum of understanding …
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: That is if the Member will accept it. When we speak of Learning First, we speak of innovation unit. So when you hear us talk about Learning First, that is the innovation unit. Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I am just making note, Mr. Chairman. These are the reasons why we ask the questions so that we can learn and understand. Thank you. So, yes, I am curious whether there will be an extension of the Learning First model beyond Sep-tember 2022, given the fact that …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. So that allocation is $1.29 million which is up 34 per cent. I am staying within Plan 2022, can the Minister give us some update on the data- driven priority? I am curious because this data collection is som ething that really gives us an …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] 132.
The Chairman Chairman You said page 131. It is page 132.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Sorry. 132. Let me make a note so I don’t say it again. Tracking. There has been, I believe, a mov ement of wanting to implement and establish tracking within our school system. And according to the Plan 2022, which I think says it very well, this is that each …
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: While I do appreciate the questions that MP Jackson is asking, and they are quite topical, this is starting to resemble more of the general economic debate than a debate on the actual heads. I have yet to hear …
The Chairman Chairman Noted, Minister. But let me say that from the beginning that Member Jackson did say that she was going to talk generally. I allowed her a bit of [leew ay] in terms of what she was saying. I have reminded her once; I will remind her again that this exercise …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, very much. And yes, we have a new way of thinking. I have to stay on my path. I have [the] written Standing Orders that say I can speak to policy, services or f inancial matters within this debate, so I am exer cising that in order to …
Ms. Lovi tta F. Foggo Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Member.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Can the Member please cite which Standing Order she is referring to, because if she is referring to Standing Order 39(4), that has more to do with the general economic debat e. When she is speaking of policy and general principles of Gover nment, can she please cite just for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Member Jackson, did you understand that? Can you —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I did. I am actually referring to Standing Order 40. It is on page 54. And I am looking at number 11. The final paragraph in number 11 says, “ The debate on that question may include any detail under that Head, provided that any such debate shall be …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I do think you are leaning a bit away from what we are doing. I understand. I am going to accept that. I read it as you read it as well, but I do not think that this has been practice. But go ahead, Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And no, it may not have been the practice but at some point we have different ways of approaching the situation. And as I mentioned, I would like to take advantage of that item within the Standing Order in order to gain a full understanding of our education reform.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Well, Mr. Chairman, can I ask that when the Member does [it that way] she still makes a specific question regarding the policy that falls under a particular Head as opposed to making general comments. This will allow the Ministers who speak specifically to the monies being spent under that …
The Chairman Chairman Member, thank you for that. I think I am in full control of this right now. I have asked the Member, at least three times, to refer. If she feels that she is going to use her time to talk more on policy, then she is not going to get …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to turn to page B -132, staff development, 27031. And again, I am not absolutely sure, but here it is , it is allocated at $692,000. My question, and the reason I am asking this under staff development is because I have a …
The Chairman Chairman [INAUDIBLE], I take it.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Not at all. Okay. My question here is just one, but it is based on the Plan 2022. There was discussion about hiring a professional development officer and I did not pick it up within the brief. And I am just curious if the Minister might be able to give …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I turned over ever so briefly to the employee numbers. It is the last line on page B -136. And it is sti ll the same line item, 27160, substitute teachers.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Go ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. And my question to the Minister is whether this increase in the number of substitute teachers will give some comfort to the c oncerns that some of the teachers had, not only in being able to have a healthy number of substitutes to call on at the times …
The Chairman Chairman Are we still on page B -132?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson We are still on page B -132, Head 17, Department of Education. This is the summer programme. I noticed here that there is $18,000 allocated to the summer programme. And in previous years and the Budget Book shows back to 2020/21 that $242,000 went towards summer programmes and this year …
The Chairman Chairman Member, it looks like you are going to move on to something else. Can I pause you there just for a repeat as to where we are?
The Chairman Chairman Members and the listening radio a udience, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2022/23. We are debating the Department of Education and the Heads there are 16, 17, 18 and 41. We are now being …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am still on page B -132. And, again, I am not sure which line item, but they are both on page B -132. I am still on Head 17, Department of Education, line 27050. I am going to try the IT support. The Minister . …
The Chairman Chairman IT support.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am just looking. So, there is an allocation of $2,591,000. That is [an increase of] $206,000 f or this year. The Minister did confirm that students now have their computer devices, the Chromebooks and other electronic devices in order to assist. But I am curious about within the classroom …
The Chairman Chairman The line item, please.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Hold on one second. It might be . . . I’m sorry, it is page B -134. I have missed each number on my notes here for the page numbers. So page B -134. And it is line item 27520.
The Chairman Chairman Design, development and implementation.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. There we have a bud get of $1,538,000. And I believe that what I am about to speak to also correlates with page C -18. The Minister can correct me if I am wrong. But on page C -18 and the Department of Education grants, which is $27,421,000. I …
The Chairman Chairman While you are pausing, I am going to remind you that I really want you to stick with line items and pages so that it applies to what you are talking about. You seem to be, as I said, still keeping on the policy side, but the questions should be …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I am doing my best, but as much as I am asking different questions, Mr. Chairman, I am also realising that as I was going through my notes that we in the . . . the move toward education reform, we are finding that there are new Bermuda House …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Sorry. I am just referring to my notes, Mr. Chairman, and seeing w hether I can rephrase my question so that it goes to a specific cost.
The Chairman Chairman That would be very helpful.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am going to stick with 27520, design, development and implementation on page B -134 and the allocation of funds of $1, 538,000, to ask [about] the costs involved with the various in itiatives that are taking place in preparation for the i ntroduction of the signature programmes in September, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister, go ahead. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The cost for implementing the signature programmes that she keeps referring to and trying to find within the budget, as in curriculum development, teacher traini ng, et cetera, that is all covered under the consultant grants that go …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am just having a look to see. So I have to ask the Minister, where would I find that? Is it . . . because it is not under grants. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: [It] is under Ministry Headquarters, in the brief when I spoke to how much …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you want to give us a line item if we don’t know? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: On the Ministry of Educ ation the line item is on page B -129, professional services. Do you see $2.6 million?
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Dia llo V. S. Rabain: That is where we see pr ofessional services. So all of our signature school stuff is covered under that.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. So I will just change that to the professional servi ces. My question doesn’t change, Minister, but I certainly will make note of where the funds are being held. Minister, just before we go on, Mr. Chairman, does that include the Parish Primary school as well as the …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. So what is the professional services under the Department of Education on page B -135 for $3 million? 1080 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Member, do you want that answer now or —
Ms. Susan E . Jackson Only if it is referencing the primary schools, which is what I was going to ask about next.
The Chairman Chairman Minister. [No audible response]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So we have $3 million under page B -135 for professional services and we have $2,600,000 under page B -129, for professional services. And I am just asking for clarity on which one of those is for the primary school? Because I would like to speak to the primary school.
The Chairman Chairman I am just waiting for the Minister. [Pause] The Cha irman: Minister, would you like for her to come back to that? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I would like for her to just . . . yes, she can continue on through with her questioning.
The Chairman Chairman Member, please.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. I was on page B -135. That was the track that I was on. So rather than go back, I will just keep moving forward. So it page B -135, Head 17, Department of Education, professional services. There is an alloc ation of $3,071,000 which is a 63 per …
The Chairman Chairman Member, does that satisfy you?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Ah— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: All of the education reform is covered under the professional services under the Ministry Headquarters. Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Okay. So then I would like to turn back, Mr. Chai rman, to page B -129, professional services.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson At $2,606,000, which is a 61 per cent increase of $989,000. And then my question is quite simple. I am interested in the primary school update. And I will preface by saying that the dates around the primary schools are right now, as I understand it, between 2023 and 2027. …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you would recognise that the question that you have just asked is more of a policy ques tion? It has not directed itself to any of the line items. I understand what you are asking, but that is more of a general debate sort of question, don’t you think?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Well, I can read the Standing Order again, but it says that I can as k—
The Chairman Chairman No, Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —questions on policy and services.
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson. No, you don’t need to read it again. We have gone through that. But I am just pointing out. I did not know what line item you were tal king about. That’s my point.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson My line item is in general. It is the 1702 on page B -132, student services. And I am speaking to student services, in general, with a total budget of $21,159,000.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Member.
Ms. Sus an E. Jackson Thank you. My additional question, focusing on student services, is whether [there] is any plan as we enter into a full education reform to conduct a full review of student services and have this as part of the educ ation reform because . . . I guess I better frame …
The Chairman Chairman It is not a line item.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I will let it go.
The Chairman Chairman If it is a line item, then you can ask. But if it is not a line item, I suggest you don’t.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I would now like to move to page B -139. And I would just like to speak to performance measures for a bit. So, this is the performance measures on page B -139, [line item] 1705, primary schools. The fourth objective measure indicator says that P4 to P6 students achieving …
The Chairman Chairman Before the Minister responds, are there any other Members who wish to ask questions? I guess not, Minister, please proceed. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, MP Jackson. I do appreciate your thoroughness and the questions you asked. As I have articulated on nu merous occasions, and this is …
The Chairman Chairman Minister you dropped out. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman The last sentence we missed. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. I said that I hope that this answer does answer most of the questions that MP Jackson had about teacher certification in that the BEC has just recently had elections where they have put in an entirely ne w …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you dropped out again. I don’t know what it is but the last 10 seconds or so—
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I can hear him fluently.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, are you dropping out?
The Chairman Chairman Maybe it is me then, but . . . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I don’t know. You don’t seem to be at transport today.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I am there. That is where I am. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. I was just saying, Mr. Chairman, that it is critically important for us to mai ntain a good balance of the health and safety of the school and keeping it open for in- school learning …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can I pause you there. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Sure.
The Chairman Chairman As much as I have enjoyed this debate my time is up and I am obliged to hand over to MP Foggo. MP Foggo, you are in the Chair?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, MP Tyrrell, yes, Chai rman. [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Welcome back, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Minister, you may continue to answer the question or move on to a new answer. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. And I know you are really looking forward to hearing this stuff because it within your blood.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you for that acknow ledgement. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Science teacher from Berkeley [Institute ].
The Chairman Chairman From Berk eley. From CedarBridge— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I’m sorry. It is all Berkeley. CedarBridge and St. George’s Secondary School.
The Chairman Chairman From St. George’s Sec, that’s right. From Whitney Institute. I can go on. [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Raba in: All right. The next question we have here, Are the plans to conduct the review of student services as we enter into education reform –– will there be an inclusive …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Point of clarification, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman There is a point of clarification on the floor, Minister. Will you yield? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I will yield. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Ms. S usan E. Jackson Thank you. Actually, it is just a question. What does PAI stand for? I’m sorry. I don’t know. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Primal Academics Innov ations. If you go back to a Ministerial Statement I made way back in 2020 . . . no, 2019 I think it was. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your indulgence, Mini ster.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. The Cha irman: Proceed. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: One other question I did not see on the list. You mentioned something about an MOU with teachers in 2020. I believe . . . I am not sure where you had gotten that information from, but you are …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, thank you. MP Jackson, are there any other questions that you wish to put forward to the Minister at this point in time?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I do have a few more but I will certainly yield if there is another Member who has some questions. I am not sure if anybody . . .
The Chairman Chairman Hold on. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? There being no other Members, MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Minister, I had a question relating to page B - 134, Department of Education, section 1712, which is early childhood education. I was just curious whether there would be any plan to sort of have a thorough review or assessment of early childhood education and you know . …
The Chairman Chairman Are you expecting the Minister to answer right away or do you have other questions, Member?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I have a couple of other questions that I can ask.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, just ask you questions and then he get them all . . .
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. On page B -134, which is the general summary under Head 17, Department of Educati on, I noted here that under section 1707, middle schools, all of the middle schools are listed there and there are budget allocations for all of the middle schools except for T. N. Tatem. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Oh, no. I have a couple more. [Audio feedback] Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: I have a question under a performance measure, and I believe it is back on page B-130. This one falls under the Ministry of Education Headquarters. At the bottom of the business unit …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Continue, Member. Hon. Di allo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, before she continues, could you repeat that question. We didn’t quite catch that.
The Chairman Chairman She asked what organisational structure— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Does she refer to legisl ative changes?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. It says legislative amendments, drafted to support an updated organisational structure for the Department of Education as outlined in Plan 2022. This comes under performance measures on page B -130. So she is asking what that structure will look like in the future, if you are able to give …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson My other question is [regar ding] 27095.
The Chairman Chairman Page?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I’m looking . . . 27095.
The Chairman Chairman Is that under the Department of Education?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It sure is. Head 17, page B - 132, school attendants. There isn’t any money all ocated to that line item. But I still have a question around absenteeism and whether the Minister might be able to shed some light on the . . . I don’t necessarily want to …
The Chairman Chairman So your question is directly related to behavioural management?
Ms. Susan E. Jac kson Yes. Line 27061.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am just basing . . . these are just off my notes from the brief. The Chairman: Minister, did you get that? Continue, Member Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I have another question st ill on page B -132. I believe it is 27071, office support. I believe that this includes gifted and talented. No, no. no. Madam Chairman, it is 27069, gifted and talented. I am just wondering if the Minister might be able to explain to me …
The Chairman Chairman While you take a second to formulate your next question, Member, I just want to remind other Members, the Minister and the listening public, that we have just under a half hour left to this debate. We are in Committee of Supply for the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I have a question on page B -134, line item 27020, assessment and evaluation. I am just curious whether the Minister might be able to give an indic ation of what assessments may be given to the incoming S1 students in order to gauge their preparedness to enter …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to ask questions before the Minister comes back to respond? No other Members, Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, MP Jackson. We will start with the question you …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman I forgot I was muted. I am sorry, Mi nister, Is that the extent of your responses? Yes. Member Jackson, do you have any other questions you wish to put to the Minister?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have two additional questions that I would like to ask. And one relates to the Bermuda College, which in on page B -148, Head 41, Bermuda College. And this is general . . . the one line item is the grant amount. But I would like to take …
The Chairman Chairman So Member, are you asking the Mini ster in terms of the budget allocation how that will be used to help in advancing their programmes under adult services? Is that what you are asking?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. I am going to ask it this way. Given the $389,000, how much of that budget is allocated to preserving the future of the Bermuda National Library and its ability to sustain i tself in a building that is ageing?
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, MP Jackson. Just to answer those Bermuda College questions, a strategic plan was mentioned in the brief that actually does talk about some of the things that you are mentioning. I do not have the strategic plan in …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, does that complete your a nswers? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: At this point, yes. I do have some additional information, but I can pass it on directly to MP Jackson because I do know we are getting . . . what time does this debate end?
The Chairman Chairman You have a bout seven minutes r emaining. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. Well, if the —
The Chairman Chairman I was going to see if Member Jackson has any further questions. Are there are any other Members who may wish to ask questions? There are no other Members. Member J ackson, do you have any further questions for the Minister?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I do not have any further questions, but I genuinely thank you for responding to the questions that I asked today. I really appreciate learning more about the Ministry and t he Department of Education, libraries and the Bermuda College. So I am genuinely grateful for the information you have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, for that. Member Jackson, if you have no further questions then . . .
Ms. Sus an E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. That was an inspirational end to the debate. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. So are there any other Members who wish to ask the Minister any questions? No other Members. Minister, I ask that you now move your heads. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. And thank you, Madam Chairman, thank you listening audience and thank you, MP Jackson. And since …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? There are no objections. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Education, Heads 16, 17, 18 and 41 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure …
The Chairman Chairman Minister and the House, I have to beg your indulgence because at this point in time I need you . . . I think that everybody who was in the House earlier today saw that a Bill was not introduced when it was supposed to be introduced. So I need …
The Chairman Chairman That’s fine. You just ask for us to rise and report progress and for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that m otion? There being no objection to that motion, I call on the Speaker to resume his seat. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report pr ogress , and sought leave to sit again.] House resumed at 4:53 pm [Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. Good afternoon, Ch airman Foggo. Thank you for that. Members, as Chairman Foggo asked, we are seeking your indulgence to allow the introduction of a paper that should have been introduced this morning under Papers and Communications because it has an impact on this afterno on’s debate. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Now would you just ask that we resume back into Committee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for year 2022/23? Hon. Walte r H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I so move that [the House] do now resume the debate …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Are there any objections to that? There are none. For the listening audience, we will now return to the second debate this afternoon, which is the last debate for the annual Budget Debate, [Committee] of Supply of Estimates of Revenue [and Expenditure] and we are turning the …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I can resume the Chair but —
The Speaker The Speaker I believe you have three hours for this debate, is it? Hon. W alter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker And it is 4:55 now. Thank you. Madam Chairman, it is in your hands. House in Committee at 4:55 p m [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 20 21/22 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And before I continue I just want to ask whether or not Member Burgess is going to assume the seat or if I continue. [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, may I now do the appropriate motion?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, let me just . . . ask Honourable Members to take note that we have now returned into Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. And the heads to be debated at this point in time are [the Non- …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you, Minister. Before I go, are you going to do all of your Heads first and then allow her to do hers at the end of it , or do you want her to intervene in between? Hon. Walter H. Roban: She will intervene in between in the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Minister. You have the floor. HEAD 1 —GOVERNOR AND STAFF Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Bermuda House of Assembly Madam Chairman, I now present the brief for the Governor and Staff, Head 1, found on pages B -6 through to B -9 of …
The Chairman Chairman You may. HEAD 2 —THE LEGISLATURE Hon. Walter H . Roban: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I am proud to present the Budget for Head 02, the Legislature, as found on pages B-10 to B -13 of the Estimates of Expenditures and Revenue for 2022/23. The Legislature plays …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Minister . HEAD 5—OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR GENERAL Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, Head 5 for the office of the Office of the Auditor General is found on pages B -14 to B-16 of the Budget Book. The Office of the Auditor General …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Ministe r. HEAD 63 —PARLIAMENTARY REGISTRAR Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, I would like to present the brief for the Parliamentary Regi strar, Head 63, found on pages B -20 to B -22 of the Budget Book. Mandate Hon. Walter H. Roban: The mandate of the Parli amentary …
The Chairman Chairman Minister , may I pause you for a second? Hon. Walter H. Rob an: Yes, Madam Chairman. The Chairman: My concern is that you asked me to allow Human Rights Commission to go and— Hon. Walter H. Roban: Ah—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman And so, I wondered if you wanted her to come in or do you wish to do the Parliamentary Registrar? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Actually, may I complete the Parliamentary Registrar?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And then, I will yield to the Minister . I must apologise —
The Chairman Chairman Yes. That is fine! Hon. Walter H. Roban: I apologise to the Minister and to yourself for not having yielded earlier, but if you will me to continue—
The Chairman Chairman I thought I made a mistake, so I was looking— Hon. Walter H. Roban: No. I do not think I will be reading that much longer for this particular Head—
The Chairman Chairman Okay, that is fine. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It should not be too much longer. So, yes, my apologies, Madam Chairman, to you and to the Minister for not yielding.
The Chairman Chairman No problem. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. So, I will continue on. The proposed budget for the Administration of the Parliamentary Registry for 2022/23 is $867,000, a decrease of $28,000 over the original budget for 2021/22. Post general election the office is no longer utilising the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay — Hon. Walter H. Roban: I now wish to yield so that the—
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Minister — Hon. Walter H. Roban:—Minister Tinee Furbert can actually present the Head of 56 for the Human Rights Commission.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you, Minister , and let me stop everyone for a brief second to let you know that Deputy Speaker MP Burgess is now assuming the Chair and that this debate will end at 7:58. Deputy Speaker, are you ready to assume the Chair? [Hon. Derrick V. B urgess, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, thank you, Honourable Member Lovitta Foggo. Minister Roban, Minister Furbert — 1104 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes—
The Chairman Chairman You will continue on Head 56. You have the floor. HEAD 56 —HUMAN RIGH TS COMMISSION Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present the Budget —and thank you, Madam Chairwoman as well, for acknow ledging that we had skipped it, but thank you. Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I am sorry. Thank you, Minister Furbert. We go back to the Deputy Leader of the Government , Mr. Roban. Will you continue? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will resume my presentation of the Non- Minist ry Heads. I now start with Head 85. I …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, continue. HEAD 85 —OMBUDSMAN Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 85, the Office of the Ombudsman for Bermuda, on pages B -23 to B -26 of the Budget Book. Mr. Chairman, the mandate of the Office of the Ombudsman for …
The Chairman Chairman You are still doing the Ombudsman’s Office, Minister? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, I am, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman And you are quoting from B -24? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Maybe I have got the wrong Book because the figures that you are quoting are not the same as in my Book. Hon. Walter H. Roban: All right, let me . . . let me clarify here—
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I support the Chairman on that because I was lost myself. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Let me just confirm to see where I am. I am reading the brief that I was given. So, let me just go ahead and confirm.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Can you go back . . . Mr. Chairman, can you ask him to go back to the travel expenditure and work down?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go back . . . yes, go back to the travel expenditure, Minister . Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. I will go back and see here. Yes, estimates for travel had decreased by . . . let me see, oh yes, estimates for travel . . . I am …
Mr. N. H. Cole S imons Mr. Chairman, I may be able to help because I am following along with last year’s Hansard and I think that what they have done is not corrected or brought up to date [from what was in] last year’s Hansard. I think that is where the differences are.
The Chairman Chairman [INAUDIBLE ] Honourable Member Simons. Let me find out where he is at, and you are probably — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, I am on page B -24 and I will . . . let me go back and go through those est imates of salaries —
The Chairman Chairman Okay, go ahead. Hon. Walter H. Roban:—for the year 2022/23, I see is $694,000. Next, we were talking about travel. The travel estimate for 2022/23 is $21,000, not the $15,000.
The Chairman Chairman That is not correct. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Well, I am looking here—
The Chairman Chairman Travel is $4,000— Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am sorry. I am sorry. Travel is at zero. I am sorry. It was $15,000 —
The Chairman Chairman Well, the original from last . . . from 2021/22 is $4,000. This year is nothing. Hon. Walter H. Roban : In 2021/22 it w as $4,000, yes. I think there has been a bit of an error in how they printed this, but I will go through and follow …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Estimates for advertising and promotion for the year 2022/23 is $12,000 and est imates for . . . I am sorry, no. I am sorry, for advertising and promotion for the year 2022/23 is $12,000. Estimates for rental, Mr. Chairman, for the year 2022/23 is …
The Chairman Chairman What you did not do . . . you said what they were, but you never compared it like you have been doing the 2021 — Hon. Walter H. Roban : Yes, I know. I did not.
The Chairman Chairman Yes— Hon. Walter H. Roban: There were not any . . . I am sure if in the questioning time— [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman You were quoting some figures that were not in this Book. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. The Cha irman: I do not know what happened there. That is — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, let me — [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, if you will a dvise …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban:—to the next Head —
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Internal Audit and then I will come back
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Chairman, is the House able to confirm if an errata was put in place? Hon. Walter H. Roban: No.
The Chairman Chairman Let him . . . no, the Minister is taking the— Hon. Walter H. Roban: I was given a . . . I had tec hnical advice and I was provided with the wrong brief. So, I am going to suspend my presentation of that brief on the Ombudsman, and …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. What is the next Head? Hon. Walter H. Roban: It is Internal Audit, Head 92,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much. HEAD 92 —DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL AUDIT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 92, the Depart ment of Internal Audit, found on pages B -27 to B-29 of the Budget Book. Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: May I go back to — The Chairman: Yes, you may. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I have concluded with Head [92] Internal Audit. I will go back to Head 85. Sorry for the delay ev eryone but we have the correct present ation now. Should …
The Chairman Chairman Well— Hon. Walter H. Roban: Or I can go from the expend iture overview which I think is probably — [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: So, I wil l just resume from the expenditure overview. HEAD 85 —OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMAN [Recommitted] Expenditure Overview Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Hang on one second . . . you are still . . . I am not . . . are you saying that the original bud get for 2021/22 is $990[,000] and the estimate for 2022/23 is $990[,000]? I am not hearing those figures. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Just …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Yes, but Minister, I would prefer you to go by the figures that are printed in the Book. That is the only way we can follow you properly. If not — Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I agree with you, too —
The Chairman Chairman If there is anything different . . . Honourable Member , do you hear me talking? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Sorry, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You have got to go by the numbers in the Book. It is t he only way that Members can follow you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman If not, they are going to be all over the place. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman, and I agree. It appears as if in the brief they rounded off the number that you are questioning. And it should be $990[,000] as in the Book as the estimate budget. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Fine. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Can I go forward now, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Certainly, yes. Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, I am sorry. I did not mean to interrupt you, Mr. Chairman. I apologise.
The Chairman Chairman That is all right. That is okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Variances between the 2021 and 2022 original estimates for amounts with a net change of $10,000 are as follows: • Estimate for salaries increased by $14,000 for 2022/23 fiscal year and is a result of the 10 per …
The Chairman Chairman I am not following you. Could you . . . I am still not following you. I do not see those figures. You know, there is a savings of $14,000 . . . certainly that is not 10 per cent. In fact, the Book says it is 2 per cent. …
The Chairman Chairman It is way ou t. I mean, it is way out. When you go 10 to 2, it is way out. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Just a minute, Mr. Chairman. I want to get some direction from the technical officer.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. [Pause ]
The Chairman Chairman For the listening public, the Minister is just getting some clarifications from his technical offi cers. Stay tuned. He will be right with us. [Pause]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Member Simons.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Just a comment. Can we in the Oppos ition have time compensated for this? B ecause this is eroding our response time.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Yes, we will. We will.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, sir.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member s, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2023. We are now doing Non- Ministry Heads and this is led by the Deputy Leader Walter Roban. He will be with you momentarily. Just stay tuned. …
The Chairman Chairman Minister , do you have it sorted out yet? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister , do you have it sorted out yet? Minister Roban? Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am sorry. I am sorry, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I am sorry. I realise now that I was on mute, and I apo logise. Okay, I will go back to the . . . I …
The Chairman Chairman Well, all we are asking for is the correct figures because the Members, particularly the Oppos ition, have to follow this here. This is the de1112 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly bate. And if they are not getting the proper information they cannot do the …
The Chairman Chairman Where— Hon. Walter H. Roban: This was a one- time expense. This is on page B -24.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, but what . . . what decreased by $104,000. I am trying to follow you also. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Increased.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, what increased by $104[,000] because I do not — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Other personal services . . . all the other services. The Ch airman: Services . . . other personal services has got zero. Okay, you got $104[,000] 2021, right? But in 2021/22 you had zero. And …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please. Hon. Walter H. Roban: All right. Staff: Mr. Chairman, the allocated —
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban:— budget for employees . . . yes, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman No, go ahead. I am sorry. I did not say anything. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The allocated budget for employees, all of whom are Bermudian, shown on page B-24 of the Budget Book , is $695,286 for six positions. These are the Ombudsman, Deputy Ombudsman, two Investigations Officers, a Manager …
The Chairman Chairman Let me see, Minister . You just said the salaries are $695,000 and some extra dollars. The Budget Book has got $694,000. A Technical Officer: Right, because we rounded up. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, again Mr. —
The Chairman Chairman It is not rounded up! It is not rounded up. It is either $694[,000] as in the Book or it is $695[,000]. The Book says $694[,000]. You could round up to $694[,000] but you cannot go with $694[,000] and call is $695[,000]. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr.—
The Chairman Chairman Not when you got $694[,000] in the Book. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman, they have . . . in the brief, unfortunately, they rounded up above. It should be $694[,000].
The Chairman Chairman Yes. All right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I will go on.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will go on. Capital expenditure, on C -9 of the Budget Book.
The Chairman Chairman Page C -9? Capital Expenditure Hon. Walter H. Roban: Of the $2,455 allocated for capital acquisitions in 2021/2022, the Office spent $2,190 to replace six new chairs for our meeting room with— [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman This is the Office of the Ombudsman? On page C -9? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, hold a minute. Hold a minute, Mr. Chairman. [Pause] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, going on with capital expenditure, Mr. Chairman, found on page C -9. The total capital expenditure for the Office of …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable M ember , Honourable Member where are you at now because— Hon. Walter H. Roban: Capital expenditures, page C - 9. I am just giving some description and background in relation to the expenditure of $14,000.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Chairman? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Yes, just one second. Mr. Dunkley? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Chairman— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is hard to follow along with this. So maybe it is better that the PS just reads the brief. He seems clear …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Dunkley. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am going to conclude my presentation of the Ombudsman Head now.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, this brings me to the end, and i n closing I would like to thank the staff for their commitment and their work during this time. I now would like to move on, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I already did Head 92, as I recall, did I not?
The Chairman Chairman I was not in the Chair at that time. Hon. Walter H. Roban: No . . . I know that, because of the mistake with the . . . I did the Ombudsman, so I do need to do Head 92. I am sorry. I am going —
The Chairman Chairman Head 92 was done. The Internal A udit— Hon. Walter H. Roban: Oh, okay. I did that one a lready, that is what I was trying to clarify.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. That was done. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, so I now can go on to the Office of the Information Commissioner and I have Head 101 to do after that. May I now continue, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, most certainly. HEAD 98 —OFFICE OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 98, the Office of the Information Commissioner, on pages B - 30 to B -35 of the Budget Book. Mandate or Mission Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I would like to now go to Head 101 for the Privacy Commissioner. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Continue — Hon. Walter H. Roban: May I continue, Mr. Chai rman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. HEAD 101 —OFFICE OF THE PRIVACY COMMISSIONER Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am pleased to present the budget for Head 101, the Office of the Privacy Commissioner for Bermuda, Mr. Chairman, which is on pages B -36 to B …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Expenditure Overview Hon. Walter H. Roban: As shown on page B -37 of the Budget Book, the Office has been allocated a budget for 2022/23 of $989,608, an overall net i ncrease of $408,000 when compared to the orig inal Budget report of the year 2021/22. The Department of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And that concludes my presentation of the budgets for Non- Ministries.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. We will add 11 minutes on to this here, so this will finish at three past nine. Any further speakers? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Chairman. First of all, Mr. Chairman, I am smiling because . . . have you heard of the term rinse and r …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Well, Mr. Chairman, I have been following a number of ministries, as I acted in four roles. And I would have to say most of the briefs today resemble what they presented last year. And that is why we have the problems that we …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, will you continue on the debate, please? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Now I would like to start with my questions. Okay. Number one, Government House, page B -78, cap ex [capital expenditures]. That is on page C -4, Government House Improvements. Can the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am on page C -4.
The Chairman Chairman Page C -4, yes. Hon. N. H. Cole S imons: Yes. That is Government House, capital.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I see. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Do you see it, Mr. Chai rman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I do. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And so I am just wondering what the big picture looks like. What is the plan? We know that this building is an old building built in 1871. On page B -8 there was maintenance of $48,000 for problems. And [the Honourable …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Those are my only comments on Government House. Just bear with me. Yes. Okay. Legislature. There were no significant changes in legislation. The Cha irman: What page are you referring to? 1118 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -11, okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am just going to get over there myself.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: On the Legislature, page B - 11, and we are under Administration. A number of these will be under General on page B -10. General, 12000— Administration.
The Chairman Chairman You are on page B -10 now, you said? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, page B -10, line item 12000— Administration. The C hairman: Right. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So the first issue I would like to speak to on that is the issue of PAC [Public A …
The Chairman Chairman So you are asking for two more people? Okay. Let’s go. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. I am trying to substantiate it while I have the floor.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I think you have done that. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So we really, really need to revisit the PAC if this Government wants the PAC to be effective. And the PAC, as you know, Mr. Chai rman, is the Public Accounts Committee. And we need to make sure …
The Chairman Chairman It is. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: You will find that under Pr ofessional Services on page B -15. The fee went up to $670,000, a 54 per cent increase. And that was at-tributed to professional accounting services that were outsourced to accounting firms like PwC, KPMG and Ernst & …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Go ahead. Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Walter H. Roban: I thought I was speaking to the Chairman. Mr. Chairman. Yes, I heard the other gentl eman. May I ask for a point of clarification, Mr. Chai rman?
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Where is the Honourable Member speaking to relating to susta inable development goals? I would like to know which line item and heading he is speaking to. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Under General Administr ation.
The Chairman Chairman It is 0501, page B -14. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am asking because it was in last year’s budget presentation. And I just wanted to have an update because it was a commitment made last year. The other issue is, How are we going as a department in …
The Chairman Chairman What line are you talking from? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Again I am back into Ge neral Administration— 0501, page B -14. Every three years the office is examined for the purpose of assigning compliance i n the drills and professional standards in connection with our public sector audit. …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Now I am moving to the Parliamentary Registrar. That is Head 63, pages B -20 to B-22.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am looking at Administr ation on page B -20, line 7300, or it can apply to both of them, the Election Reform Research line, 73017. There was [a budget of] $66,000. It was reduced to $24,000. I am inviting the Minister to provide …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: My question there is, Given the recent Court of Appeals ruling, will there be any elections in the coming year? And w hat impact will the appeals court ruling have in regard to the municipal election?
The Chairman Chairman Can we just have that place again please? [Crosstalk] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I know that ruling came out since the Budget book was presented. So I am aski ng the Minister to provide some clarity on how the muni cipal elections may go forward as a result of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, they also have an additional function of initiating investigations themselves under their mandate. So my question to the Minister is simple: How many investigations were initiated by the Ombudsman’s Office, and what was the nature of the investigation? I am not talking …
The Chairman Chairman What period are you talking about? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Just 2021 t hrough 2022. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 1120 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Another issue caused me a bit of confusion. The Minister indicated …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I was not quite clear on the question and what line item it referred to. Can the Honourable Member repeat it, please, for us for our benefit? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. Just bear with me a second. Page B -27, and then we …
The Chairman Chairman What page is that? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Page B -18, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am just going to page B - 18 myself, Mr. Chairman, under the Human Rights Administration. We know that they basically investigate human rights contraventions. I would like for the Mini ster to provide some information on what was done in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —Implementation of legisl ation a mendments to the Human Rights Act. My question is, and you will see that there are three pieces of legislation targeted for the year 2022/23. Can the Minister provide details on what the three pieces of legislation are? They …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And they have been singing this song as long as I have been in the House almost.
The Chairman Chairman Do not sing, Cole. [Laughter] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Where do we stand on the parliamentary reform, the Parliamentary Commission Act? I have been advised that the legislation is almost complete and is ready to go to the Government for approval. I have been hearing …
The Chairman Chairman Are you complete? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. Yes, I would stop there, Mr. Chairman. I think those were my main points. And I would like to thank the employees in all departments that we have debated today, the NonMinistry Department, the Government House, Parli ament, Ombudsman, PIP A …
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions before the Mi nister answers, from other Members? There appear to be none. Minister Roban. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I note that the Honourable Member raised a question about Go vernment House in relation to the details of maint enance or what the forward plan …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, for your time. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Now, I know he raised the point in relat ion to Youth Parliament, the reduced budget for 44 per cent. I do not believe this reduction will impact their ability to operate, Mr. Chairman. The Youth Parliament funding was cut …
The Chairman Chairman You have exactly 15 minutes. 1122 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Right. And that is the adjus ted time, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Yes, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Going from some ques tions that were related to the Auditor General, I am going to move forward. The question was updating Government’s preparedness on the relations hip with 17 sustainable development goals. In regard to those goals, there are roughly …
The Chairman Chairman What was that, Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And that question pertains to the Human Rights Commission.
The Chairman Chairman Human Rights. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: As I said, 966020— the O ffice of the Human Rights Commission, implementation of legislation.
The Chairman Chairman Okay that is Head 56. [Crosstalk] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [INAUDIBLE ] the Human Rights Act. And the output —
The Chairman Chairman Are you talking about the anti - vaxxers? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And the output, I just said, we expected three pieces of legislation in the coming year. So I ask the Minister here with the public, what three pieces of legislation does the Human Rights Commission plan to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: You are welcome. There was a question in regard to changes to the Human Rights Act. I can speak to one, Mr. Chai rman. A nd that is age discrimination. I am still waiting for the technical officer to get back to me. If …
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Not on my side.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. If there are not any further speakers , Minister, do you want to move the heads? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. And I again would like to apologise for the bit of the mix -up on the previous one of the heads.
The Chairman Chairman No problem. I know you [INAUDIBLE ] in the end. Y es. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And my apologies to you and Members of the House on that mix -up. But, you know, we must soldier on. With that, Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 1 through 5, 56, 63, …
The Chairman Chairman It ha s been moved that Heads 1 through 5, 63, 85, 92, 98, and 101 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. [Motion carried: Non- Ministry Heads 1 through 5, 63, 85, 92, 98, and 101 were approved and stand part of the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Furbert. [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, are you ready for me?
The Chairman Chairman Not quite. Minister Furbert, do you want to move your head? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. It is for Minister Tinee [Furbert] to move Head 56.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Well, you can move it for her. 1124 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: Apologies. Deputy, can you move that, because I did not get the instruction from the House of Assembly. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I move Head 56 …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 56 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none; approved. [Motion carried: Non- Ministry Head 56 was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2022/23.]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier, Finance Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I do believe that during this budget debate all of our individual heads have been moved. Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that the Current Account Estimate, the Capital Development Est imates and the Capital …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that all of the capital estimates be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none; approved. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2022/23 …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2022/23 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none; approved. [Motion carried: The Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the Financial Year 2022/23 were consi dered by a Committee …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the approval of the estimates be reported to the House. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. It will be reported to the House.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 8:08 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR FIN ANCIAL YEAR 2022/23
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Deputy. How was your evening? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I trust everyone had a good day. I am back in the Chair now, and are there any objections to the [Estimat es of Revenue and Expenditure for the Financial Year 2022/23] being reported to the House? There are none. Premier. BILL FIRST READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move in accordance with Standing Order 28(5)(1) that under the provisions of Standing Orders 41(12) and 42, the remaining stages of the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2022 be taken forthwith.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? There are none. Continue. BILL SECOND READI NG APPROPRIATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. B ermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2022 be now read the second time in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue. Hon . E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move clauses 1 through 6 i nclusive, together with Schedules A, B and C as print-ed.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. [ Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 and Schedules A, B and C passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move the preamble be approved.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? There are none. Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2022 be now read a third time by its title only.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to its being read a third time by its title only? There are none. BILL THIRD READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the said Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Bill has been read a third time by its title only and has now passed. [ Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2022 was read a third time and passed.] MESSAGE TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The appropriate message will be sent to the Senate. That brings us to a close of the Budget and the Appropriation Act for 2022/23. We will now move on to the other items on the Order Paper today. The next item is [Order] number 4, the Consideration of …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, do I need to move us into committee?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House now resolve itself into Committee of Supply for consideration of the suppl ementary estimates.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker. 1126 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly House in Committee at 9:12 pm [ Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., in the Chair] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 1) 2021/22
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for financial year 2021/22. Premier, Finance Minister David Burt, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, of course we are considering the supplementary estimates. There …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. That is fine. Hon. E. David Burt: All right, perfect. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the schedule for the Suppl ementary Estimate identified seven items totalling $54,637,361 to be included in Supplementary Est imate (No. 1) for 2021/22 made up of $54,087,361 on current account, and …
The Chairman Chairman You can continue. HEAD 9-CABINET OFFICE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, the sole supplementary es ti-mate for Head 9—C abinet Office, is in the amount of $3,347,000 and relates to the expenditure occasioned by the ongoing public health emergency in Bermuda. Mr. Chairman, the original allocation of this cost …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. MINISTRY OF FINANCE HEAD 10 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, starting on Head 10 —Ministry of Finance Headquarters, current account, suppl ementary estimate of $1 million. Mr. Chairman, as part of the ongoing response to the COVID -19 pandemic, the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers on these three Heads —9, 10 and 58? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Cole Simons, continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: In regard to the Cabinet Office and National Health Emergency, we [INAUDIBLE] difficult time last year with COVID -19. It dec imated our economy health wise a number of our population was dramatically challenged and so we in the Opposition, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, point of order, Premier. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: I just want to make sure that the Honourable Member is not misleading the House on this particular matter. This $5.5 million is not about Southampton Princess. Most of this, almost all of it, is accruable to …
The Chairman Chairman Is that yo ur complete [question], Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I am happy to respond to the Honourable Member on that particular point. Yes, the Bermuda House of Assembly guarantee management is covering both th e items for Morgan’s Point and also the items which are for the Fairmont Southampton. As you …
The Chairman Chairman Anything further, Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Any further speakers? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have a question to the Honourable Premier.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Dunkley, continue. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Honourable Premier, so you can confirm that only $200,000 of the $5.5 [million] is attributed to the Fairmont Southampton guarantee? Hon. E. David Burt: I cannot. What I can conf irm is that there was an original allocation of …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you. Honourable Premier, can you give an est imate of how much is attributed to the Fair mont Sout hampton guarantee? And did the former Finance Mini ster, Curtis Dickinson, sign off on the loan agreement for the Fairmont Southampton guarantee? Hon. E. David …
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. No, that’s all right. Hon. E. David Burt: As we are discussing budget matters, I can state very clearly that the contracts that have been put in place in regard to reviews that are taking place were put in place by the former Minister of Finance.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The first question, Mr. Chairman, to the Honourable Premier. How much is attributed to fees for the Fairmont Southampton guarantee? Hon. E. David Burt: Right now . . . I am looking at the information in front of me, though it is from …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonie r I am just trying to get my video on.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, that is Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a question on the $200,000 that the Premier spoke of . The guarantee management. Typ ically, he said, this was for legal fees and the advisors and the like. Typically, that would come under expense. I am confused why this is under guarantee because this …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I am happy to explain it to the Honourable Member. What you are talking about, profes sional services and those types of things, are the categories of where things are laid out. Where budget numbers are assigned to, or budget items are assigned to …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Second question, Mr. Chairman. The Cha irman: Continue.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Considering that the Premier said that this was listed in the Budget Book, is he sa ying that the specific $200,000- plus is itemised there, or is it clumped in with some other stuff, because . . . I would like for him to point out where that is actually …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I am not certain what the Honourable Member is looking to be itemised. I don’t actually —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You said that it was budgeted and it fit under . . . that the computation of this $200,000 fit under a certain category outside of this guarantee management. Hon. E. David Burt: I am not entirely certain of the category he speaks about, Mr. Chairman. We are considering a …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You said— Hon. E. David Burt: I was giving an example and r eferring to the Budget Book insofar as a head, but ins ofar as speaking to the specific supplementary estimate which we are dealing with, we are dealing with a $5.5 million supplem entary to Head 58 to …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. Got it. Hon. E. David Burt: And it is an estimate. We may come over, and if we go over we will bring another supplementary. But it is an estimate because the one thing the Ministry of Finance does not want to do is to find itself short when …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier One last question on this,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Ca nnonier Will this be a practice going forward? Because the practice really is itemising it under the guarantee because it is an expense. And typically even also in our budgeting book we would allocate a certain amount for [INAUDIBLE] and we will have a revised amount, realising that, well, we did …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Well, we are trying to clean up the mess!
The Chairman Chairman Members, we cannot have that. Please. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I am trying to r emain focused on the debate. But I will just really ask the Honourable Member to direct himself to page B - 126 of the Budget Book where it clearly lays out debt charges, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. With that, I move that Head 9 [Cabinet Offic e], the Supplementary Estimate, item number 1 and item number 2 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Suppl ementary Estimate for items 1 and 2, Heads 9, 10 and 58 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Heads 9, 10 and 58 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman The Minister of Health has the next . . . Heads 21 and 24. MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEAD 21 —HEADQUARTERS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, Head 21, the Ministry of Health Headquarters, Supplementary Current Account National Health Emergency –COVID -19, is $12,435,996. Mr. Chairman, this time last year we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers? 1134 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Mr. Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First, I will thank the Honourable Minister for that overview of the supplementary estimate, first in dealing with Head 21. Let me start out by thanking all the staff for the work that they have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Any further speakers? Minister Wilson. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank y ou, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move Heads 21 and 22 [sic].
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 24 — Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Sorry, Mr. Chairman, Head 24.
The Chairman Chairman Well, I thought that was what you said. Okay It has been moved that Heads 21 and 24 be approved. Are there any objections to that? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Chairman, just one question to the Honourable Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: To the Honourable Mini ster, is there any considerat ion to changing the current financial model for the hospital? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: No, there is not. Mr. Chairman, the—
The Chairman Chairman Let me get these approved first. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay. Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Unless you are still answering Mr. Dunkley; if you are, continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I have concluded. Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Okay. It has been moved that Heads 21 and 24 of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2021/22 be approved. Are there any objecti ons to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Heads 21 and 24 passed.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Wilson. The next is Financial Assistance. It comes from the Ministry of Labour. Minister Hayward, you have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good evening, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Good evening, sir. Hon. Jason Hayward: Honourable Members, I rise today to provide a briefing on the supplementary budget increase from the Department of Financial A ssistance, Head 55. MINISTRY OF ECONOMY AND LABOUR HEAD 55 —DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, the Department of Financial Assistance …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Hayward. Are there an y further speakers to the Head 55? There appear to be none. Minister Hayward, do you want to move the head? Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, I would now like to move the supplemental estimate for Head 55. 1136 21 March 2022 Official …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Hayward. The next one is the Mini stry of Transport, Heads 48 and 35 under Minister Lawrence Scott. You have the floor, Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT HEAD 48 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson We cannot hear you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I am so sorry. I had muted myself. Minis ter, you didn’t do Public Transportation for $414,126? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, I did, Mr. Chairman. I can do it again if you like.
The Chairman Chairman No, no. My apologies. I must have dozed off. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Ms. Sus an E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have a few words.
The Chairman Chairman Ms. Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you and good evening. Yes, so we have been through some tumult uous times this year, and the past couple of years, with COVID -19. Certainly, much appreciation to those essential workers who were carrying on their duties, especially in public transportation and the airport staff through those times. …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 48 and 35 of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for financial year 2021/22 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear t o be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Heads 48 and 35 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Scott and MP Jackson. Next is the Ministry of National Security, to do Ministry Headquarters and Defence, Heads 83 and 6. You do not have to do Head 7, but you can. Minister Ming. MINISTRY OF NATIONAL SECURITY Hon. Renee Ming: Good evening, Mr. Chairman. I rise …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Ming. Any further speakers? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman MP Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To the Honourable Minister, thanks for the overview of supplementary estimates. My previous 1138 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly comments stand in regard to COVID -19 supplementaries and I certainly thank …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman If you don’t have it, I am sure Mr. Dunkley won’t mind the information being passed on to him ASAP. I can’t hear you. You are muted, Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Sorry about that, Mr. Chairman. The amount that I have is the $414[,030], so if there is an additional …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Dunkley. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move these heads? Hon. Renee Ming: Surely. I move that Heads 83, 6, and 7 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 83, 6, and 7 of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for f inancial year 2021/22 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Heads 83, 6, and 7 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Ming and Honourable Member Dunkley. The next is Capital Development and that is for Public Works, Public Lands and Buildings and that would be under the Honourable Minister Colonel Burch. Colonel Burch, you have the floor. MINISTRY OF PUBLIC WORKS HEAD 65 —PUBLIC LANDS AND BUILDINGS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, the requirement for suppl ementary estimates often means unforeseen challenges a Ministry or department within the government has had to meet in any given year. I am going to move Head 65 for Public Lands and Buildings, under Capital Development. As indicated in …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any speakers to this?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, very much. Just to say thank you. I know it can be difficult sometimes as the Public Works Minister where u nforeseen things come up and then of course, obviously, we have to step in to assist in other ministries. So I am grateful for the team and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any further speakers? There appear to be none, Colonel Burch, you want to move this Head 65? Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: Mr. Chairman, I move that H ead 65, Public Lands and Buildings, the capital development for $550,000 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that this capital development Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for f inancial year 2021/22 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Head 65 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier, Finance Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for the financial y ear 2021/22 be r eported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Any objection to that motion? There appear to be none. The Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for f inancial year 2021/22 will be reported to the House. [Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for financial year 2021/22 was considered by a Commi t-tee of the whole House and passed without amendment …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 9:24 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 1) 2021/22
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy and Members. Members, are there any objections to the Supplementary Estimate [(No. 1) for financial year 2021/22[ being reported [to the House as printed]? No objections? Thank you. We will now move on to the next item for this evening. The next item is the Order No. …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? Continue, Mr. Prem ier. DRAFT REGULATIONS GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the past the Government r eviewed and updated all fees charged for Government services every two years. This review was done initially to ensure …
The Speaker The Speaker You have permission to do it in that order. HEAD 18 —CUSTOMS DEPARTMENT ACT [Clause 5] Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first speaking to the fees for Head 18, the following amendments are proposed for approval under Head 18 of the Government …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. Go right ahead. HEAD 6 —IMMIGRATION AND PROTECTION ACT [Clause 2] Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak to the [draft Regulations] entitled the Gover nment Fees Amendment Regulations 2022. The purpose of this [draft Regulation] is to amend the Government Fees Regulations 1976 and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Another Minister ascending is Deputy Premier. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier, you can present yours now. Hon. Walte r H. Roban: Yes, I am prepared to present on Heads 10, 11 and also Head 21. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to introduce for consideration of the Honourable House amended and new fees under the following Heads, Head 10, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go right ahead, Minister. HEAD 11 —BUILDING AUTHORITY ACT [Clause 4] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Head 11, Building Authority Act 1962, elevator and public assembly permits. Mr. Speaker, with the completion of the new airport terminal, new types of conveying devices have necessitated new fees. The new fees are …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead, Minister. HEAD 21 —DEVELOPMENT AND PL ANNING ACT [Clause 6] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Head 21, Development and Planning Act 1974. Mr. Speaker, the existing fee Bermuda House of Assembly schedule is cumbersome and, as such, fee categories have been simplified to ease understanding and to hopefully …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Ministers participating now or are we opening to Members to respond? Hon. E. David Burt: No further Ministers, Mr . Spea ker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Members, is there any Member who would like to make a contribution at this time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, I would just respond to Head 18, which the Premier did. And we on our side have no objections to the proposed i ncrease. It seems reasonable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Any other heads? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, if I may , I am happy to respond.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, Ministers have laid out the price increases. In closing I would like to rei t1144 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly erate that since 2018 the Government has abandoned the practice of a 5 per cent increase …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to that? No objections. The approval has been granted and the said letter be sent to Her Ex cellency. Thank you, Members. [Motion carried: The Draft Regulations entitled, Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2022, were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker The next item on the Order Paper is the second reading of the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment and Validation Act 2022 in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. I move that the Bill entitled the National …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue, Premier. BILL SECOND READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT AND VALIDATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide for the consideration of this Honourable House the Bill ent itled the National …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Members, would any one like to make a contribution at this time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand the intent. I support the intent with regard to those people who are under the normal retirement age. I have a question …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Any other Member? There are none, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I take note of the comments from the Honourable Shadow Minister, and I will certainly take those under …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Deputy Speaker. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy . . . is the Deputy not there? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, just getting settled, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Deputy, you have the Chair. You are in control. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 10:00 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] 1146 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly COMMITTEE ON BILL NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment and Validation Act 2022 . Minister, Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. With your permission …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, clause 1 is self -explanatory. Clause 2 amends section 24(9) of the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Act 1998 by inserting a new paragraph (e) to provide for a further one- time withdrawal of $6,000 by a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Premier. Any further speakers to this Bill? There appear to be none. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 3 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved. The Chairman: It has been …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be r eported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The National Pension Scheme (O ccupational Pensions) Amendment and Validation Act 2022 …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 10:02 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT AND VALIDATIO N ACT 2022
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy [Speaker]. Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment and Validation Act 2022 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported as printed. Thank you, Members. We will now move on to …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue, Premier. Bermuda House of Assembly DRAFT REGULATIONS NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (REFUND) (TEMPORARY) (NO.2) REGULATIONS 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present the National Pension Scheme (Refund) (Temporary) (No. 2) Regulations 2022 for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Any other Member? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, this legislation basically defines the operational framework for the refunds and regulations. So we have reviewed the terms of the regulations and the framework. They all seem to be reasonable and we have no object ions as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? There are none, Premier. 1148 21 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the endorsement of the Opposition I …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objections. The said message will be sent to the Gove rnor. [Motion carried: Draft Regulations entitled, The National Pension Scheme (Refund) (Temporary) (No. 2) Regulations 2022 were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for that, Members. The next item on the Order Paper for this evening, if I am correc t, will be [Order] No. 11, the consideration of Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension (No. 3) Order 2022 . Minister of Health. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that consi deration be given to the draft Order entitled the Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension (No. 3) Order 2022 proposed to be made by the Minister of Health in exercise of the po wer conferred by section …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Minister. DRAFT ORDER PUBLIC HEALTH (COVID- 19) EMERGENCY EXTENSION (NO. 3) ORDER 2022 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to invite this Honourable Chamber to consider the Order entitled Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension (No. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Mich ael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think colleagues will remember very clearly much that has taken place over the two years that we have had the nasty experience of the COVID -19 pandemic. As the Minister said, on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at t his time? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Education, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just listened to a very impassioned speech by the Member who just [spoke]. I get it, Mr. Speaker. I get where he is coming from. I do not necessarily subscribe to …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? No other Member, Minister of Health. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank in particular my honourable colleague who just turned off his microphone, so to speak. He is correct, and we have spoken about this for almost two years now, Mr. Speaker. It is critically important that we recognise …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member have an objection to that? There are none. The said communication will be drafted and sent to the Governor. [Motion carried: The Draft Order entitled Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension (No. 3) Order 2022 was approved.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker You are welcome, Minister. Members, I believe that brings us to a close of the business for toda y other than to go back and do our third readings. Premier, would you like to — Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker. Oh, never mind. …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue, Premier. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) A MENDMENT AND VALIDATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment and Validation …
The Speaker The Speaker The next one. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Friday, March 25, at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. It has been a long day, M embers. I trust ev eryone is anxious to get home this evening. I look for-ward to seeing everyone on Friday morning at ten o’clock. Thank you, Members. Stay safe, well and healthy. Get some rest. We don’t have to …
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