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House of Assembly Session 2021/2022 409 speeches

March 16, 2022

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Session Summary

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This was primarily a routine parliamentary session focused on budget presentations and administrative matters. The Minister of Economy announced that supplemental unemployment benefits for COVID-affected workers will be extended until August 31, 2022, having already helped 172 people with over $1.7 million in payments. The Premier presented budget details for the Cabinet Office, highlighting cost reductions and transfers of some programs like the COVID testing lab to the Ministry of Health. Members also paid respects to several recently deceased community members, including Mr. St. Clair O'Brien and others.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 16, 2022
Session 2021/2022
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Speakers 21
Speeches 409

Key Topics

Extension of unemployment benefits for people affected by COVID-19 until August 2022Government budget discussions for various departments including Cabinet Office and Tourism AuthorityCondolences for community members who recently passed awayIntroduction of pension scheme amendmentsCOVID-19 regulations and public health measures

Bills & Motions

National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment and Validation Act 2022 - introduced for first reading
Various COVID-19 related regulations submitted for consideration
Supplementary budget estimates for 2021/22 submitted
Government fees amendment regulations submitted

Notable Moments

Questions arose about funding sources for the unemployment benefit extension, with the Opposition asking where the money would come from since it wasn't clearly allocated in the budget
The Premier clarified confusion about benefit program end dates, confirming extension to August rather than April as previously misstated
Members shared heartfelt tributes to community members who had passed, particularly noting families dealing with multiple recent losses

Debate Transcript

409 speeches from 21 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. We are about to start the proc eedings of the day. Ms. Beale will lead us in prayer this morning. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Kara Beale, Assistant Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ms. Beale. Members, the House is now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the M inutes from March 9, 11, and 14, 2022, have all been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker We have 13 [papers] this morning, three from the Premier and Minister of Finance, and the other 10 from the Minister of Health. Mr. Premier, would you like to present your three papers this morning? Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE ( NO. 1 ) FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021/22 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the powers conferred by section 96 of the Constitution I have the honour to attach and submit for the consi deration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Supplementary Estimate …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I have one more, if I may?
The Speaker The Speaker One more. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME ( REFUND) (TEMPORARY ) (NO. 2) REGULATIONS 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the National Pension Scheme (Refund) …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Minister of Health, would you like to present your [papers] now? 856 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you. Good morning,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Good morning. PUBLIC HEALTH (COVID -19) EMERGENCY EXTENSION (NO. 3) ORDER 2022 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to att ach and submit for the consideration of the House of Assembly the Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension (No. 3) Order 2022 proposed to be made …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker This morning we have a single Stat ement from the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister Hayward, would you like to present your Statement at this time? Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. EXTENSION OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL UNEMPLOYMENT BEN EFIT PROGRAMME Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to announce to this Honourable House that the Suppl emental Unemployment Benefit [SUB] program me due to expire 31 March 2022 will be extended to expire on 31 August 2022. Mr. Speaker …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, that is our only Statement for this morning, so we will move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker For the Question Period this m orning there are no written questions, so the only questions will come from the single Statement that was given this morning. And the Opposition Whip has indicated that he has questions for you, Minister. Opposition Whip, would you like to put your quest ion? …
The Speaker The Speaker And the Opposition Leader also has a question. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. QUESTION 1: EXTENSION OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT PROGRAMME
Mr. Jarion Richardson Good mor ning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, Honourable Members, Honourable Minister and the listening public. My question to the Honourable Minister is, Could he clarify or explain in his Statement where the funds are recorded in the Budget Book for extending this p rogramme?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: As it pertains to the suppl emental unemployment benefit, those funds are derived from the Ministry of Finance underneath the Public Treasury [Administration and Payments)] Act [1969] .
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Jason Hayward: The administrative cost will be found on the Financial Assistance budget.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Supplementary, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary, yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Jarion Richardson So this would be und er the Unemployment Benefit Fund, B usiness Unit 7015, under the Ministry of Finance and the administrative cost would be under Head 55 of Financial Assistance? Hon. Jason Hayward: Correct.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Supplementary, please, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, put your second supplementary.
Mr. Jarion Richardson The Budget Book shows there are no further funds allocated to the Unemplo yment Benefit Fund. How are we paying for this? Hon. Jason Hayward: From the Consolidated Fund. The programme is . . . once the regulation has been approved, then funds will be allocated to support the programme.
The Speaker The Speaker New question? You had your two supplementaries. Second question?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Put your second quest ion. QUESTION 2: EXTENSION OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT PROGRAMME
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. 858 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Don’t all government expenses on a goingforward basis have to be allocated out of the Budget Book? Hon. Jason Hayward: That is a question for me, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Could you restate your question? Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, sorry, I stand to be guided, but I just don’t see where that spend is in the Budget Book. So what I will do is I will take it off - line, Mr. Speaker, and probably do a parliamentary …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. [We] a ppreciate that. Opposition Leader, would you like to put your question? QUESTION 1: EXTENSION OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT PROGRAMME Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Last July the Premier’s Minister of Finance indicated that there was an overpayment of $3.5 mi llion in unemployment benefits …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, with all due r espect this is a supplementary unemployment benefit, which is different from the unemployment benefit which was administered by the Ministry of Finance. As a result , this Statement does not pertain to the question that was just asked. Hon. N. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I was trying to decide if there is really a distinction between the two. One is the stan dard unemployment benefit and this is a separate one that was created for the pandemic . Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: This was for the pandemic.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, there was an unemployment benefit programme under a different regulation. This is the Supplemental Unemployment Benefit for persons who did not qualify for financial assistance. We had one unemployment benefit that was due to temporary shutdown and closure of bus inesses and restrictions in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any further supplementary or questions? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, that’s it. Th anks.
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MP Pearman.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. MP Pearman. SUPPLEMENTAR IES
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister . When the Premier gave his Budget Statement Friday before last, he r eferred to one of these pr ogrammes continuing until April. Your Statement refers to it continuing until August. Is that the same pr ogramme that the Premier was referring to? And …
The Speaker The Speaker MP Pearman, jus t remember your camera when you come back to respond.
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, I’m sorry. I will turn it on.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, the Member is asking me to provide clarity on a programme that the Premier was referring t o in his Finance Ministry Statement. But the person has not identified what programme, so I don’t know whether or not that the programme that he is …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay , point of order or a point of clarif ication? Go ahead. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Whatever you allow, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. E. David Burt: Because I am not certain if the Honourable Member is having an issue reading, but the Statement from the Budget Statement very clearly states that the Supplemental Unemployment Benefit . . . and I will read from the Statement, if you …
Mr. Scott P earman Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Put your second supplementary, yes.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. The Honourable Premier is correct in what the Statement said; however, when he read his Statement to the House, and we drew this to your attention, Mr. Speaker, he in fact stated to the House, “ April. ” So perhaps he misspoke and if that is case it …
The Speaker The Speaker So it is until August 31, not April. Correct? Hon. Jason Hayward: Correct.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Minister.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Members, that is the end of the questions for this morning. We will now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member w ish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Madam Attorney General, you have your three minutes. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is with great sadness that I come t o this Honourable House to offer condolences to the family Mr. St. Clair O’Bri en who passed away on Sunday. Mr. O’Bri en, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Attorn ey General. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade Mr. Speaker, I assoc iate myself with those remarks.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Simmons -Wade would like to be associated with those remarks. Does anyone else wi sh to make a contribution? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to be associa ted with the remarks, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader, we will make sure you are associated as well.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson MP Jackson as well.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrr ell So do I, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Jackson and MP Tyrrell as well. 860 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Any other Member who would like to make a contribution?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Famous, yes, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Christopher Famo us Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I would like to associate . . . as a proud De vonshire person, I would love to associate myself with those remarks for Mr. O’Brien. The O’Brien family is one of the cornerstones of the Devonshire community. I last saw Mr. O’ Brien during Christmas …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution –
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo May I associate with those comments, Mr. Speaker, please?
The Speaker The Speaker I beg your pardon?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Can you associate me?
The Speaker The Speaker MP Foggo, yes. MP Foggo would like to associated.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker. Walter Roban.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier, yes, you have your three minutes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you. I won’t be long. (I will turn on my camera.) I wish to be associated certainly with the co ndolences to the O’Brien family, as with my colleague who sits in constituency 11, and constituencies 13, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks [for condolences] to the O’Brien family. As we all know, his daughter is one of our Permanent S ecretaries. And also the remarks concerning Leonard Postlethwaite , who was at one time …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Speaker. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution?
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade Yes, Mr. Speaker. Ianthia Simmons -Wade.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade I would like to extend my condolences to the family of Marian Desmond. Marian Desmond, as we know , was a fashion icon of Bermuda. She dressed many brides, many students going to their proms, as well as many young ladies and older ladies who went to church in their …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Simmons -Wade. Would any other Member like to make a contribution? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes , Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences that have been offered to the O’Brien family. Mr. Speaker, as many would know, the O’Brien’s, or at least the children, live next to my homestead in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Any other Member? No other Member. Okay , we will move on. Thank you for your contribution, Members. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Bill to be introduced this morning and that is by the Minister of Finance. Mr. Premier, would you like to introduce your Bill? FIRST READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT AND VALIDATION ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Please give me one …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. There are no further Government Bills. There are no notices of motions and that now leads us to the resumption of the debate in the Committee of Supply for the further consideration of Estimates of R evenues and E xpenditures for the year 2022/23. Again, for the listening …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. MP Famous, would you like to control of the House?
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker. It will be my pl easure to take control of the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, sir. You have the Chair. House in Committee at 10:3 0 am [Mr. Christopher Famous, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2022/23 [Continuation t hereof]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning Honourable Members and good morning to the listening public. Today we are now in the resumption in Committee of Supply for further consideration . . . I am hearing some background noise here . . . we are now in resumption in Commi ttee …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, so moved, Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will go ahead and begin. First, I will deal with Head 9. HEAD 9 —CABINET OFFICE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, the Cabinet Office operates at the centre of the public …
The Chairman Chairman Webex. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Moving on [to the next one]: • Business Unit 53050: Digital Services o Public satisfaction with the availability and use and selection of Government online services. The target 2021, 80 per cent was forecasted. The actual outcome that was achieved— …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Premier. I hear you. Thank you for pausing while the sirens were in course— Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman —and we pray that wherever they are going people are safe. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I will start again with this section. I n the 202 0/21 Budget Brief, which was two years ago, it was stated that in 2019/20 IDT underwent a comprehensive review by …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, you want me to pause?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I am just letting the listening audience know that we will be going towards lunch at 12:32. Thank you, Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. HEAD 51 —DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier. Minister Wayne Furbert of the Cabinet Office, you now have the floor. I remind you and the listening public that we shall pause for lunch in approximately nine minutes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbe rt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, recognising that it is nine minutes, did you …
The Chairman Chairman I would like for you to continue on until 12:30, Ministe r. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank the Premier, the Minister of Finance, for his briefs. I will be co vering Heads 13, 61 and 80. As you know, it …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? On that positive note I am going to ask that you now take us to lunch. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move that we take a break for lunch and come back at a time that you allocate.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, to the listening public, we are in Committee of Supply for the Cabinet, estimates and revenue for the year 2022/23. We are debating the Cabinet Office. Minister Wayne Furbert is giving the presentation on the Post Office and we shall resume at 2:00 pm sharp where the Honourable Neville …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Honourable Members and the listening audience. We will continue in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. We are presently debating the Heads under the Cabinet Office and this is a four -hour debate and it is anticipated …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, give me a moment please. Hello — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I do not hear you, Honour able Member Swan. I do not hear you. [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E, Swan, in the Chair]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member Ty rrell. Minister, you have the floor. Continue on . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome to your part which you are doing. I hope you do not mind, Mr. Chairman, I am just getting a glass of water to clear my throat. …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. Mr. Chairman, a nu mber of significant changes and initiatives are in cha nnel in accordance with the Government Reform str ategic planning framework. Many of these initiatives affect the entire organisation and require the engag ement and participation at the ministry …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you hold for just a m inute. Can I please ask all Members to mute their m icrophones? Thank you. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Give me time to drink some water. In accordance with the priority of several tas kforce groups, …
The Chairman Chairman That, Minister, is on page B -69, yes? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Continue on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Just by the way, let me give a few budget brief things that should be overall. The amount of people that were employed as of 31 D ecember 2021, was 4,499. Curr ently, Mr. Chairman, the amount of people that are employed on the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. This debate continues until 4:02 and the Minister is moving on to Head 80 which is found on [page] B -69. Continue, Minister. HEAD 80 —OFFICE OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND PROCUREMENT Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The mission statement for the Office of Pr oject …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, thank you, Honourable Minister. The floor is now open for debate on Heads 9, 13, 43, 51, 61 and 80. This debate concludes at 4:02 pm. Does any other M ember care to address these Heads?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Mr. Chairman. MP Cannonier here. The Chairman: Honourable Member, Cannonier. You have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you so much.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, sir.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Under Head 09, Cabinet Office, if we could move over to page C -17 in the Budget Book, under Cabinet Office Departments, you will see unit number 6835, Tourism Authority grant. I just have a few questions in that area if you will, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Continue on.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you very much. I noticed that the original estimate and the r evised estimate both equal the same—$21.5 million. And the estimate for 2022/23 is $20.04 million. And I was not quite sur e if the Premier . . . he read relatively quickly through his statement. I was …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, will you yield? Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. Happy to clarify. It was $28.6 million.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Great. Thank you. So, considering that the forecast total for i ncome is $28.6 million, I was tryin g to gather then, understanding from last year that it was about $7 million plus, that outside of the grant —the $21 million that was granted last year —with the $20 million …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: That is correct 1- 7-0.
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Honourable [Member]. Hon. E. David Burt: It may have gone up in the last few days. But it was 170 at the time of writi ng.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. So, I was just curious. Will any of the 170 cruise ship calls involve St. George’s in any kind of way? Understanding that we heard St. George’s has, as of late, felt a little left out, that they were not getting enough at tention. [I would like to know] …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to address these heads at this particular time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, you have the floor. This debate ends at 4:02 pm. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. Obviously, we cannot cover a lot because we were only allotted this half hour. T he Government took the full 3 ½ out of 4 hours to debate.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, you are using up your time. You allocated seven heads for four hours. If you divide that by four, that does not leave much time for the Minister to provide any subs tantive information, so continue on. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Address the Chairman. Don’t leave me out, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I just want him to give the page so I can get it right. Sorry. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay, hang on. That is on capital expenditure, page C . . . Let me come back to …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, someone has called for a point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Leader said that the revenue includes the $1 million collected from other Governm ent services —that is not true. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am just going by what …
The Chairman Chairman Five minutes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Page B -53 . . . No, I will skip that for now, because I am trying to quickly go over my more i mportant issues. Oh, I know. Page B -69, performance measures under the employee organisation develo pments. There …
The Chairman Chairman At 3:58, Premier. This debate ends at 4:02. You can answer and then move all your heads pretty soon. Hon . E. David Burt: I will do my best to answer as many questions [as possible]. First thing that I will say, Mr. Chairman, is that the Bermuda Tourism Authority …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, that is a very good gesture, but there is no more time. And we have to move heads 9, 13, 26, 43, 51, 61 and 80. If you or the Cabinet Office Minister could do so, that would be great. I need a motion to move heads 9, 13, …
The Chairman Chairman And 26 as well. Hon . Wayne L. Furbert: That was zero, but —
The Chairman Chairman Okay. All right. Thank you. It has been proposed that heads 9, 13, 26, 43, 51, 61 and 80 be approved. Are there any objections? There are no objections. [Motion carried: The Cabinet Office, Heads 9, 13, 43, 51, 61 and 80 were approved and stand part of the Estimates …
The Chairman Chairman We will now move on to the next Heads scheduled for today, a four -hour debate on transport, Heads 48, 30, 34, 35 which comes under the Minister of Transport, the Honourable Lawrence Scott. Minister Scott, yo u have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You may pr oceed. MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT Bermuda House of Assembly HEAD 48 —MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT HEA DQUARTERS Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, today I am presenting the budget for the Ministry of Transport Headquarters, Head 48. The budget appropriation for the …
The Chairman Chairman Well, you know, Honourable Member, I did see a big smile on your face, so continue on and stay focused. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, thank you. I thought you would take real note and be excited about that Ritz-Carlton cruise, small enough to fit into some of these ports …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, continue on. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. 902 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly HEAD 30 —MARINE AND PORTS SERVICES Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Marine and Ports Services is found on pages B -203 through B -208 of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, that is a good place for me to just get you to stop. MP Neville Tyrrell is going to come to my rescue (as you are now on search and rescue). I thought it would be a good segue for me to thank you for your presentation in the …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Swan, I hear you. I will now take over. Thank you. Honourable Members and listening audience, we are still in Committee of Supply for further consi deration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for year 2022/23. The Minister is on Head 30. Minister, please proceed. Hon. W. …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. HEAD 34 —TRANSPORT CONTROL DEPARTMENT Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, the budget for Head 34, the Transport Control Department , better known as TCD, can be found on pages B -209 to B - 212 of the Budget Book. The Transport Control D epartment’s mission is t …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I giggled. Hon. W. Lawren ce Scott: Thank you. Thank you. I knew somebody would appreciate my dry sense of humour. Mr. Chairman, TCD continues to implement and maintain an effective and convenient vehicle examination and registration programme which is i ncreasingly more “ user-friendly.” Customer interaction with today’s TCD …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Minister. HEAD 35 —DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, the budget for Head 35, the Department of Public Transportation (“DPT”), is found on pages B -213 through B-216 of the Budget Book. The department’s mission is Moving Bermuda with a quality public bus service. Expenditure …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Members, let me just remind you that this is a four-hour debate and I will now call on any Member to speak to Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good afternoon, Mr. Chai rman. I would like to say a few words and ask a few questions.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Jackson, I recognise you. Please proceed.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. B ermuda House of Assembly I would like to go back and begin, if you don’t mind, with the Ministry Headquarters, Head 48, Ministry of Transport, page B -198. And I would like to spend a little bit of time just talking about the Airport Authority and what …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, let me just int errupt you.
The Chairman Chairman If you could just direct me to which part of the Budget Book you are referring to.
Ms. S usan E . Jackson Yes. I am di scussing the Ministry of T ransport, H eadquarters on page B -198, and I am s peaking in particular t o the Bermuda Airport Authority. I guess i f you wanted a specific num ber item, w e could refer t o the grant, which is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank y ou. Now I can follow along.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you. So, again, my question is, How many air tra vellers would have to come through our airport in order for us to get to a point where we no longer are sub-jected to the guaranteed minimum revenue? And acknowledging the fact that we do have the extra …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member.
The Chairman Chairman I don’t know if the Minister wishes to answer that question, but that would not come under Transport, the Travel Authorisation form (the TA).
Ms. Susan E. Jackson All right. Even though it would impact the possibility of attracting additional travellers to the Island, it still has an impact and I just wanted to mention it. I won’t ask a question about it 910 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly then. But certainly we …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I am raising the port dues and I am still keeping the connection with the cruise ships in Bermuda. Bermuda House of Assembly In 2019 we earned [$730,000] and we had 187 cruise ships calls. In 2022, the line item at 8183, on page B -204, reflects the …
The Chairman Chairman Member, if I could just pause you there for one second.
The Chairman Chairman Just so I can remind the listening audience that we are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for year 2022/23. We are debating the Mi nistry of Transport and we have Heads 48, 30, 34, and 35. Member, continue please.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Before I leave line item 40100, maritime safety and security, I just got a little note here. Back when there was the training accident with the pilot boat and the Northeast Breaker Beacon was hit, I was just curious whether there was any damage to that beacon and …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson That is on page B -210. And I would like to ask a question about line item 8467 which is motorcycles. I am just curious if the Minister can explain to me why the revenue that we are going to earn from motorcycle registration is going up by $866,000. Are …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson That is on page B -123, Head 35, public transportation. I would just like to preface before I ask any direct questions. My question to public transportation is wh ether we are looking into the future, and yes, we are. We are getting electric buses and that is wonderful. But …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am on page B -213. I am presently on line item 45010, bus operations. I am going to switch a little from the actual buses, and I am not exactly sure where to ask this question because I could not find it in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. As previously indicated we are in the Commi ttee of Supply for further consideration of the Est imates of Revenue [and Expenditure] for the year 2022/23, being Bermuda’s budget. At the moment we are looking at the Ministry of Transport and at this specific moment we …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am still on the same line item, 45010, bus operations. But I have moved over to page B -215 which is the employee numbers. I see that under bus operators we are inc reasing our complement of bus drivers by 14 staff members, so that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Does anyone else have questions for the Honourable Minister of Transportation Lawrence Scott? If not, Honourable Minister would you like to address some of the questions now posed by the Shadow Minister? While you are getting ready, let me just r emind the members of the …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman, can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I can. Is that MP Cannonier?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, it is. Just one quick question.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier. MP Cannonier, you are slightly faint. I don’t know if that is my fault or yours, but . . .
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, just a quick question.
The Chairman Chairman That is much better. Go ahead.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Of the cruise ships that he mentioned in his general statement, I just wanted to know if any were coming to St. George’s, to the port. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier, for that question. Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, sir. I am excited to now answer these questions and I am going to start with the Department of Public Transportation, right where the Shadow Minister left off. I just wanted to share the fact with the …
The Chairman Chairman Line and length, Minister, line and length. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you very much. And so digital fare media will have passenger counters. It should have r eal-time location and should allow or provide us the opportunity for digitised fare. 918 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order. This debate has no relevance—
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I will take your point of order, MP Swan. [Crosstalk] Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: I’m sorry. We are getting into the summer months, so I have to support my team, Somerset. But once again, where it all began, St. George’s —a UNESCO Heritage site. We need to connect as …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Before you tra nsition, if we could just pause there. Honourable Member and members of the listening public, this is the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditur e for year 2022/23. This is a four -hour debate on the Ministry …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I think that is MP Tyrrell. What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the Minister is misleading the House. It is the second time this evening he has called my name as if the Tyrr ells are the richest people in Bermuda. And that is not true.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Tyrrell. Yes, I heard him call your name earlier, suggesting that you had some sort of mega yacht and he was looking forward to its use. Please be guided, Minister. And please co ntinue. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman There were some questions that the Shadow Minister had asked of you. Perhaps you might want to address some of those. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, I will. I will. And M r. Chairman, I was told that the more double letters you have in your last name means the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. I suppose I will address this to the Shadow Minister. Shadow Minister, the Minister believes he has now addressed the questions that you raise d in the debate. I do not know if there are any points you want to follow up on or come back …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Minister, for that fulsome response. Yes, I do have a couple of direct questions I wouldn’t mind asking, but at this point they would be just kind of random questions. So it might be easier to kind of go back and forwards. It …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, sorry. Let me just check. Are you happy to take a few back -and-forth questions? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Oh, I am happy with that.
The Chairman Chairman Fine. Please proceed, Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: MP Jackson, it is sti ll in the RFP phase so I cannot really go into it with too much detail. I can just let you know that this is what we are envisioning and it is in the RFP phase which …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. Thank you. And t hen the paratransit buses that would be sort of more of a private entrepreneurial venture. I am just wondering the costs . . . would they stay relatively the same as the bus fare or would they verge more toward a taxi cost?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member . Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you. We are trying to find a way and a formula that allows us to keep it as low as possible. Once again, this is something that as of right now, the way the formula is that it would have …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, do you have further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Just getting back to the Orange Route, I had asked which ferry we would be using. Would be leasing the ferry from overseas like we did from Rhode Island in the past? Or would be using one of the ferries that we have in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, so we would be using the ferries that are already in our fleet. We would be using the crew that we already have with Marine and Ports. The ferry fee will remain the same. So you would be able to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Shadow Minister, do you have further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, just with regard to the airlines and the airlift. Certainly that was an inspir ational s cenario that you presented to us and it does sound as though it is exciting and has some prospect and promise. But I was just wondering what we are going to be doing …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, thank you. Shadow Minister, we are budgeting $4 million for an air service development. So that $4 million is going to once again do our best to position Bermuda so that we do not have a repeat. We are going to try Bermuda House …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. This was just a question on Head 48, the overall Ministry of Transport Headquarters. I am sure I am not the only one who is a little concerned about the state of the Bermuda Civil Aviation Authority [BCAA] just now and how the Government may be positioning itself …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I think the simple way to put it shou ld hopefully put your mind at ease. The Bermuda Civil Aviation Authority have 22 months, close to two years of oper-ational expenses already at their disposal. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Shadow Minister, do you have any further questions.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman. I am having a little look [at my notes.]
The Chairman Chairman While you are looking at your notes, let me take the opportunity just to remind Honourable Members and those members of the listening public that we are in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the budgetary year 2022/23. This is …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I do, but is there anyone else? I see a camera on. Is there anyo ne else who has a question?
The Chairman Chairman I am happy to [open] the floor. Do we have any other Members who have questions for the Minister on . . . I see the Oppos ition’s office is there. MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I may have missed it. I stepped out a minute. I did ask a question about the cruise ship or a possible cruise ship for St. George’s.
The Chairman Chairman There was an answer on this area, but Minister, could you answer perhaps this specific question posed by MP Cannonier? Thank you. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, MP Cannonier, there are 22 cruise ships in the world that can actually fit inside St. George’s. And from my understanding none of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. MP Cannonier, did you have any further questions? I will take silence as a no.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My apologies. No, I am keenly aware of the number of cruise ships having been involved in it some time ago. But just again, looking for opportunities for St. George’s.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Honourable Shadow Minister, I see that you are now back in post. Did you have any further questions for the Honourable Minister?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, please, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Please. You have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Minister, I have a couple of questions and this is really for my understanding. And this has to do . . . I am coupling port dues and pilotage fees. And I am just curious, given that we have revenue generation of about [$732,000] in both areas, and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Shadow Mi nister. Honourable Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Actually, Honourable Shadow Minister, you answered the question. Yes, there are more supply ships. The cruise ships are larger and thus generating more revenue.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Honourable Shadow Minister, do you have further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, if you don’t mind. Head 30, Marine and Ports, line item 40100 on page B -203, under maritime safety and security. I was just curious if you could tell me a little bit more about what that is exactly. And I noticed that the expenditure is $2.5- odd million, …
The Chairman Chairman I thank you, Shadow Minister. I heard page B -203 and you ident ified a certain line item. Could you just refer to that line item again?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Line item 40100, maritime safety and security.
The Chairman Chairman So the second from the bottom. Yes, thank you. Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, if I under stand the question correctly, that would be the security that we provide for cruise ships when the passengers come in. That is security for the cruise ships. And they do pay us …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. All right.
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, any further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman. So I am going to ask this the other way around. When the pilot boat had that accident, and it hit the Northeast Breaker Beacon, I was just wondering whether there was damage to that beacon that needed repairs and if so, what the cost was to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Honourable Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: No, just a correction. It did not hit the beacon; it hit a reef out there. So there was no damage to the reef . . . I am sorry, there was no damage to the beacon. I’m sorry. I told …
The Chairman Chairman I doubt that you suggested that you were driving the boat, Minister. [Laughter] Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman There we go. Thank you, Minister. Honourable Shadow Minister, do you have further questions? While you are considering that, let me just point out that w e have approximately 28 or so, 30 minutes about left in the debate. And again, for the listening public and the Honourable Members, this …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question on Head 30, Marine and Ports. That is page B -204 and it is line item 8173, moorings.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I am just curious if the Minister can shed some light on the situation with moorings. My comments around that was that I noticed there are almost twice as many moorings as there are boats and that we are earning or people seem to be paying their licensing fees …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Minister, over to you. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Long story short, during the pandemic people paid for the mooring but they did not put the boat [in the water]. So they kept the boat out of the water so they didn’t pay to licence the boat.
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Yes, I have a question. This is Head 34, transport control.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Page B -210, line item 8467. I am just curious why the motorcycle revenue is i ncreasing. It is almost identical to the amount of the private car savings.
The Chairman Chairman This is page B -210 of the Budget Book and it was line item 8467 concerning motorc ycles. Yes?
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Honourable Minister, you have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: I think that I am contri buting to that number because I am putting my bike back on the road because it is cheaper to operate my bike than it is my car. So if we just …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Shadow Minister, do you have any further questions for the Minister?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, under Head 35, public transportation. That is page B -213.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, page B -213, Head 35, public transportation. Yes?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. My question is around the bus operators. I noticed that we have increased the number of bus operators by 14. I am just curious if this now completes the complement of bus operators including the electric buses and the like.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Honourable Minister, you have the floor. The question concerns Head 35, pages B -213 through to B-215. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: My understanding is that . . . to be honest . . . and thank you for bringing that to the attention that the 14 …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. The Ch airman: Shadow Minister, do you have any further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have one other question. It is page B -214, under Head 35 and this is the subjective analysis, so it doesn’t have a line item number. But it bus training; it is $20,000. My question is not so much around the expense, but I am just curious, what …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: No, the training is included in the procurement of the buses. So there is no additional fee. They are scheduled to be here for three months and train our people in that time and then Bermudians will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Shadow Minister, do yo u have any further questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I believe that those are all of my questions.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Honourable Members and members of the listening public, we are in the Committee of Supply for further considerati on of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. This is a debate on the Transport Ministry’s budget. It is a four -hour debate. And …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman, can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman I can hear you vaguely. It is MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, it is. Just referring back to th e answer that the Honourable Minister gave in relationship to the pilot boat that was returned to Bermuda.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am just curious. Did the Honourable Member say that it hit a beacon? B ecause I recall —
The Chairman Chairman I think the Honourable Minister’s r esponse was that it hit a reef rather than a beacon. And I think he clarified that he was not piloting the boat at the time. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Does that address you question, MP Cannonier, or do you have any fur ther questions?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Was that covered by our insurance?
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Minister, that question goes to you. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, it was. It was covered by insurance. The price that the taxpayer paid was $10,000.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Does any other Member have a question for the Minister? I see the Shadow Minister is back. Yes, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have an additional question. This is in the C section, I believe it is going to be under capital acquisition on page C -13.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Line item 76540, new ferries.
The Chairman Chairman Page C -13 of the Budget Book, line item . . . could you repeat that, please?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Line item 76540, new ferries. The Chairman: Yes, new ferries. Yes, under marine imports.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I see there is an estimate of $3 million. I am wondering if the Minister can let me know, is this for the new Resolute? I see that there is a substantial amount of money for a new ferry here and I believe that there is another section back in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank y ou, Shadow Minister. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you. You are correct. It is for the refit of the Resolute and the purchase of a new pilot boat that is being built during this fiscal year.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minis ter. Shadow Minister, do you have any further questions? While you are considering that, let me open it to the floor. Does any Member have any questions for the Minister on the budget for the Ministry of Transport for the year 2022/23? It would appear not. Shadow …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. They are approved as printed. [Motion carried: Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 for the Ministry of Transport were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2022/23.]
The Chairman Chairman I think at this point we are going to move back from Committee to the Speaker. I am not sure if I see the Speaker on, or the Deputy Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, can you allow me to move that the Committee rise and report progress? The C hairman: I am so sorry. Yes, please —
The Speaker The Speaker I was about to say that to the Chai rman. He needs to have you do that before I come on.
The Chairman Chairman You are absolutely right, Minister. My apologies. Could you move that the Committee rise and report? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We will rise and report progress with leave to sit again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress and sought leave to sit again.] House resumed at 7: 43 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members. The Committee has asked to rise and report to sit again. Are there any objections? There are none. Thank you, Members, for your participation in today’s debate on the respective heads and depar tments that were debated. We now move on to the Order Paper. I understand …
The Speaker The Speaker You are number three on the Order Paper. Hon. Walter H. Roban: No problem. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker [INAUDIBLE] number seven and number 8. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. That is not a problem, Mr. Speaker, I am ready to go.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will turn on my camera. Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good eveni ng. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move that the Bill entitled Endangered Animals and Plants Amendment Act 2022 be now read a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue Minister. BILL SECOND READING ENDANGERED ANIMALS AND P LANTS AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to introduce for its second reading the Bill entitled the Endangered Animals and Plants Amendment Act 2022. Mr. Speaker, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Honourable Minister for his very detailed presentation to the House. As the Minister pointed out this is an amending Act and its purpose is to ensure that the principal Act, being the Endangered Animals and Plants Act 2006, some 16 …
The Speaker The Speaker MP, you broke up a little bit but you are coming back now.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am so sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem.
Mr. Scott Pearman Minister, did you hear me? What I was inviting you to do . . . Can you hear me, Mr. Speaker?
Mr. Scott Pearman Great! I am so sorry. Mr. Speaker, what I was inviting the Honour able Minister to do secondly was to discuss with a little bit more detail how he sees the Scientific Authority working, how it will be populated, the sort of timeframe it will be until it is in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. First of all, I would like to begin by saying that I fully endorse this legislation. And what I have learned helps our fauna and flora to be traded in a responsible manner. I am very supportive. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of clarification, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of clarification first before you commit the Bill? Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will permit. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you very much. Thank you, Honourable Minister . You said you would address the questions. I think you might have overlooked one. Or perhaps you answered it and I missed it. I just asked about the criminal offences and whether those flow from the UK provisions or from the …
The Speaker The Speaker Put your question, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Is the Management Author ity and the Scientific Authority mandate prescribed by CITES legislation on ly, or is it a combination of legisl ation including CITES?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: CITES, for the question by the Honourable Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And going back to Mr. Pea rman’s question. Those penalties were in the 2006 Act so they would extend from the original Treaty.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker So you can move us to Committee. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I would like to go to Commi ttee.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 8 :18 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL ENDANGERED ANIMALS AND PLANTS AMENDMENT ACT 2022
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the Endanger ed Animals and Plants Amendment Act 2022 . Minister Roban , you have the floor. [No audible response]
Mr. Scott Pearman Minister, you are on mute. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Pearman. Good night, Mr. Chairman. Happy to see you tonight. I wil l be quick so that we are not here long.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you so much. It is very kind of you. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: This Bill seeks to amend the [Endangered Animals and Plants Act 2006] (the “Act”) to facilitate compliance wit h the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MP Pearman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, MP Pearman, you have t he floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have actually covered quite a lot in the debate so I am pleased to say I only have two questions for the Minister. One is really a point of curiosity, but the other is a practical question. The f irst relates to clause 4 which …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman And that arises at clause 20 of the Bill and that is on page 8 of the Bill. And clause 20 is inserting Part IIIB after [Part] IIIA, and it provides effectively the exemptions to the trade restrictions. I note that under the inserted exemptions there is going to be …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The answer to his first question is no. And the answer to his second question is yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Minister. Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Mr. Cole Simons, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Back to [clause 4, new section] 6, subsecti on (2), on the amendments to the Appendix. The Management Authority has an obligation to deposit them and make them public on websites. My question is: Will the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. It is on the website. So there is no restriction of access in any way, and [there is] no charge. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? 938 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. I am not finished, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Item 8, amendments. The speaker spoke to changes to regulations. My question is, Will these changes be through negative resolution or affirmative resolution?
The Chairman Chairman Minist er. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Can the Honourable Member tell us what clause he is referring to in the amending Bill? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Clause] 8. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: “The Minister may, by reg ulations made under section 53,” (this …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: They will be done as soon as it is possible, subject to a meeting, and those will be by the Scientific Authori ty, as soon as they can reasonably publish them.
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Anything further? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, I have no further questions.
The Chairman Chairman No further questions. Are there any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, you want to move the clauses? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you for everybody who participated in this debate today. I wish to move all the clauses of which I have …
The Chairman Chairman Hang on, hang on. You got to do one at a time. It has moved that clauses 1 through 34 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motio n carried: Clauses 1 through 34 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman You do the preamble next. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With your guidance, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has moved that the preamble be approved. Are th ere any objections to that? There appear to be none. The preamble is approved. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I now move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has moved that the Bill be reported to the Ho use as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Endangered Animals and Plants Amendment Act 2022 was considered by a Commi …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Roban. Thank you, MP Pearman and Opposition Leader, Cole S imons. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. B ermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 8:45 pm [ Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Speaker. Members , are there any objections to the Endangered Animals and Plants Amendment Act 2022 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported as printed. Thank you, Members , for your participation in that debate. Now, Members, we move …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue right ahead. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, with the Go vernor’s recommendation and in accordance with sec-tion 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I move that consideration be given to the draft regulations entitled the Mortgaging of Aircraft and Aircraft Engines (Fees) Amendment Regulation 2022, proposed to be made …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? None. Continue, Minister. DRAFT REGULATIONS MORTGAGING OF AIRCRAFT AND AIRCRAFT ENGINES (FEES) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, today I am presenting the Mortgaging of Aircraft and Aircraft Engines (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2022. Mr. Speaker, the Ber-muda Civ il Aviation Authority, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like to add a few words.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you very much. I understand that this is a necessity and that potentially, as the Minister has said, the fees in Bermuda may be a little low. But it just feels to me as though this is probably not the best time to be intr oducing an increase in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Jackson. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the fees are as the Minister said basically a registration fee for the mortgages that are attached to the aircraft and aircraft engine. Personally, I would like to support what my …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Oppositi on Leader. Would any other Member like to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Tyrrell, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to speak on the Mortgaging of Aircraft and Aircraft Engines (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2022. Firstly, I am going to be very brief, Mr. Speaker, but let me say that generally this Government B ermuda House of Assembly would …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Tyrrell. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? No other Member. Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to correct a little bit of misinformation that was out there and I don’t think it was purposely done, but …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections t o the matter being approved and the said message be-ing sent to the Governor? There are no objections. The matter has been approved and the appropriate letter will be sent. Thank you, Members. [Motion carried: The Mortgaging of Aircraft and Aircraft Engines (Fees) Amendment …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING MOTOR CAR AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, the Bill I pr esent today is the Motor Car Amendment Act 2022. Members of this Honourable House may recall that reducing private car licensing fees by 10 per …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any Member wish to make a contribution?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you very much. And of course at this time in our lives and with the economic situation that it is, anything, any savings is certainly appreciated. So we certainly cannot buck that proposition to have a 10 p er cent decrease in our licensing. But it does lend itself …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Jackson. Would any other Member like to make a contribution ? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the gesture in that the Gover nment trying to help make the cost of living more affordable when it comes to our veh icles, in particular the car licensing fees. But in the same theme, if they …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Would any other Member wish to make a contribution?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Tyrrell.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Yes, it is, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have the floor, sir.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you. Mr. Speaker, first of all, thank you for the opportunity to speak on this Bill, the Motor Car Amendment Act 2022. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, first of all, let me say that I am a little confused and surprised at the response from the Opposition on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Speaker, just a point of clarification. Mr. Speaker, a point of clarification.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of clarifica tion. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. We on this side did not say that we were against it. What we were suggesting is that there were other methods in which they could achieve their same principle, their same gesture. And we were just …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I will respond, Mr. Speaker. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have to find a point to respond to. You don’t have a point to respond to.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Yes. Mr. Speaker, the Member who just spoke is obviously misleading the House because I never said that they were against it. I did say, as he indicated, that they were finding all sorts of other reasons not to. That was my point, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for finding a point of order. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Mr. Speaker. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Minister Rabain, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Education. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was not planning to speak on this particular B ill because I actually thought it was a no-brainer. We just finished a debate about airplane registry and the very same people who are here talking …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to mak e a contribution? 944 16 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like Minister —
The Speaker The Speaker Can I just remind you to turn your camera on, MP? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is on, Mr. Speaker. I can see myself.
The Speaker The Speaker No, we don’t see you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh. Wait a minute. Can you not see me, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker I see you now. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, okay. All right. Mr. Speaker, like Minister Rabain, I am of the same ilk. I was not planning to speak because I didn’t think there would be any need tonight. But when you hear the Opposition pipe up and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP De Silva. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution?
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan.
Mr. Hube rt (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker. I want to join in thanking the Minister for bringing this Bill. I was a little bit dumbfounded when the Opposition in one sense say they support something and then come up with all these different scenarios to sort of pour cold water. But let me remind …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Speaker, MP Richar dson.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to support my colleagues’ alternative vision to come for the use of fees. I am not entirely sure I understand the strength or the severity of the opposition to an alternative point of view. But nonetheless, I thought it was well considered, and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP, Opposition Whip. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? There are none. Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Can you hear me, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I can hear you, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Am I coming through loud and clear?
The Speaker The Speaker Loud and clear. We see you faint ly, but we see you. Hon. E. David Burt: No problem. I much appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, certainly I want to speak this evening in support of this Bill that is from the Gover nment as I serve as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution?
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, MP Pearman.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am just putting my video on. I think it is Shakespeare, Mr. Speaker, who said, Methinks he dost protest too much. To describe a percentage reduction in vehicle licensing as making history really is grasping at straws. He is right to say it is tokenism; …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Pearman. Would any other Member wish to make a contribution? There are none. Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All I am going to say is Bob Marley said, He who feels it, knows it. Rudyard Kipling said, Walk with kings, [nor] lose the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Deputy Speaker, would you like to take the Chair so we can move into Committee? Ho n. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. House in Committee at 9:30 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL MOTOR CAR AMENDMENT ACT 2022
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 . Mi nister, you have the floor. Hon. W. Lawrence Scot t: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move all the …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The purpose of the Bill is to amend the Motor Car Act 1951 to provide for a 10 per cent reduction in license duty payable for private motor cars. Clause 1 is the short title of the Bill to be i …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers on this Bill?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have just a quick question to ask.
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Minister, every penny counts. I am just asking a question. I notice that the rate that is on the Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 is slightly higher than the prices that were quoted in the Budget Statement. So I just wanted to bring that to yo ur attention. …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister, you want to move? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Do the clauses first. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Oh, sorry. I move that all clauses be appr oved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the clauses be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman The Schedule. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr . Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman You have your Schedule first. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Oh, yes, because I amended two Schedules. So thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Scheduled be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Schedules be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Schedules passed.] Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I hope now is the time that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, it has been moved that the pr eamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as pri nted.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 was considered by a Committee of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Scott and MP Jackson. Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 9:34 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE MOTOR C AR AMENDMENT ACT 2022
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy [Speaker]. Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported as printed. Mem bers, that brings us to a close of the items on our agenda …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none, continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING ENDANGERED ANIMALS AND PLANTS AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill now be read a thir d time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and has now passed. Thank you, Minister, for your bringing that matter through. [Motion carried: The Endangered Animals and Plants Amendment Act 2022 was given a third reading and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker We now look to the Minister of Transport to do his third reading. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to allow me to move that the Bill entitled the Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 be …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING MOTOR CAR AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: I move that the Bill now be read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and has now passed. [Motion carried: The Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 was given a third reading and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members, for your contrib ution today on the debates on the respective Budget Heads today. And now for the Orders of the Day this evening, that brings us to a close other than for the Pr emier to move us to the next phase. Premier. Hon. Walter H. …
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy [Premier]. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: As Deputy Premier I will move that we now adjourn to sit again at 10:00 am, March 18, 2022.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any Member wish to speak to that?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 20 minutes. It’s started. THE NEED FOR MORE TOURISM BEDS A NATIONAL IMPERATIVE
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I won’t need 20 minutes, Mr. Speaker, but I wanted to certainly speak on an important topic as it relates to tourism of which I ply my trade in that field, and underscore the importance and significance of us getting more beds in Bermuda. There are a couple of particular …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. D oes any other Member wish to make a contribution? N o other Member. There are none. Mem bers, the House now stands adjourned until Friday morning at 10:00 am. H ave a good evening. Be safe and stay well. T he House is adjourned. [At …
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