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House of Assembly Session 2021/2022 245 speeches

March 14, 2022

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Session Summary

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The government reported that its $13 million COVID-19 stimulus program has created 92 new jobs, with 82% going to Bermudians. The Transport Minister explained that international sanctions against Russia have forced Bermuda to suspend airworthiness certificates for over 700 Russian-operated aircraft on the local registry, potentially costing up to $25 million in lost revenue. Most of the session was devoted to heartfelt tributes to former MP Darius Tucker, with members from both parties sharing personal stories about his kindness and community service.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 14, 2022
Session 2021/2022
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Speakers 16
Speeches 245

Key Topics

Update on the Short Term Stimulus Programme providing economic relief during COVID-19Impact of Russian sanctions on Bermuda's aircraft and shipping registriesTribute to former MP Darius Tucker who recently passed away

Bills & Motions

No bills were debated or voted on in this session. This was primarily a statements and tributes session.

Notable Moments

The Civil Aviation Authority has 22 months of operating reserves to weather the financial impact of losing Russian aircraft registrations
Multiple MPs shared touching personal stories about Darius Tucker's generosity, from delivering Brazil nuts to providing free construction work for community members
The aircraft registry situation remains "very fluid" with leasing companies scrambling to retrieve planes before a March 28 deadline

Debate Transcript

245 speeches from 16 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Ms. Beale, would you do the prayers for us? PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Kara Beale, Assistant Clerk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ms. Beale. Members, the House is now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 9th and 11th of March 2022 have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker I would just like to announce, Members, that MP Campbell is overseas at this moment attending the 70th Westmins ter Parliamentary Seminar in London on behalf of our Parliament. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker We have two Statements this morning. One was on the Order Paper , and I am seeking your indulgence for the second which will be done after the first. The first is in the name of the Minister of Public Works. Min ister Burch, would you like to present your …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. UPDATE ON THE SHORT TERM STIMULUS PROGRAMME
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I provide a report to the House on the Short Term Stimulus Programme that was launched in December 2020 in the wake of the economic downturn sparked by the COVID -19 pandemic. The aim of the programme was to provide economic stimulus to the private sector in order …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the second Statement this morning as I indicated earlier was not on the Order Paper but I have allowed it in place this morning because it is one of those matters that are very fluid. It is from the Mini ster of Transport in reference to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, thank you for your ind ulgence. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Transport, the Shadow Minister of Transport has indicated that she would like to put a question to you regarding your Statement. MP Jackson, would y ou like to put your questions now? QUESTION 1: IMPACT OF THE SANCTION REGIME AGAINST RUSSIA ON THE BERMUDA CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, Minister. Mr. Speaker, my question is: What do the suspension of these Certificates of Ai rworthiness mean to the leasing companies who act ually own these planes?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, the prov isional suspension should motivate and signal to those persons who are leasing the aircraft to return them to the owner of the aircraft. Failing that, the aircraft are deemed not airworthy. And so what would happen is that . . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTAR IES
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson If the leasing companies are unable to retrieve their airplanes, what impact does this have on our Bermuda court system if any claims are filed to either retrieve the pla nes or to retrieve any monies owing to the leasing companies?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: If that situation arises, the matter would have to be heard in the B ermuda courts.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. And this may be digging a little deep, but what would be the impact if it is di scovered that any of leasing companies that mostly are registered as Irish companies, but if it is disco vered that there are any Russian beneficiaries, what would be the impact on …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: I am not quite sure of the question that is bei ng asked. Are you asking about the Russian airlines or are you saying that the leasing company has Russian . . . I am not sure of the question.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, just clarify the question for the Minister, okay? Thank you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is: What would be the impact on our aircraft register if it is discovered that the leasing companies have Russian beneficiaries ? If there is any connection that the leasing companies themselves actually have Russian benefici aries , what would be the impact on …
The Speaker The Speaker Do you have a second question, Member? 780 14 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Yes, I do, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. QUESTION 2: IMPACT OF THE SANCTION REGIME AGAINST RUSSIA ON THE BERMUDA CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND THE BERMUDA SHIPPING AND MARITIME AUTHORITY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson This question is relating specifically to the Bermuda Civil Aviation Authority [BCAA] . How long can the BCAA sustain itself with the loss of revenue from these Certificates of Unworth iness being activated?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: In the very worst -case scenario, the Bermuda Civil Aviation Authority have 22 months of operational expenses available to them at this time.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, I am just thinking here. Yes. It is a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Can the Minister just confirm for us how many of the aircraft are being suspended from their airworthiness ? How many aircraft are we talking about that are registered with the BCAA?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: At this time we cannot give a specific number, but we do understand that it is 700plus. It is over 700.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Of the 900 that we have on the register? Hon. W . Lawrence Scott: That is correct but this number is subject to change drastically given that this situation is very, very and extremely fluid.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary or third question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It is a second supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson When the Minister says it could change, does that mean that it could change to be upward of the 700- odd planes, that there could be more that are consider ed [not air worth y] and taken offline? Hon. W. Lawrenc e Scott: No, the exact opposite. It could drop …
The Speaker The Speaker That is your second supplementary. How about a third question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have a third question.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. QUESTION 3: IMPACT OF THE SANCTION REGIME AGAINST RUSSIA ON THE BERMUDA CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND THE BERMUDA SHIPPING AND MARITIME AUTHORITY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Should these leasing companies have to take planes off of our register and register them in a new country of which the planes would be leased, what would be put in place to sustain our register from collapsing?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: That is a question that I will have to take back to the BCAA, but at the present moment there is no threat of the registry collapsing given the diversification that has happened prior to this.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I do, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Can the Minister explain or give even a brief overview of what the BCAA has in place to actively pursue business development in ot her markets to attract more planes or leasing companies to our register given the fact that so many countries require planes to [be register ed] in …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawr ence Scott: If I understand the question correctly, the answer is that it is not something that we will start doing, it is something that we have already started. Over the course of the last few years Bermuda House of Assembly we have aggressively been marketing …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Promising. Mr. Speaker, no, I am fine so far. Thank you. No further questions.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Jackson. Minister, MP Pearman would like to put questions to you as well. MP Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I actually have a supplementary to Ms. Jac kson’s question first.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. You were just talking about the sustainability of the BCAA. What is the total number of planes on the registry that are not affected? I.e., you say 700 are affected, how many are left above and beyond that 700? Hon. W . Lawrence Scott: Given the fluid nature …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman No supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to put your first question. Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you very much.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. QUESTION 1: IMPACT OF THE SANCTION REGIME AGAINST RUSSIA ON THE BERMUDA CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND THE BERMUDA SHIPPING AND MARITIME AUTHORITY
Mr. Scott Pearman Minis ter, last Friday you gave a Statement to this Honourable House estimating pote ntial losses to the registry. You indicated, and this is from memory, but I think you indicated $5 million an-ticipated losses if the war were to continue for a threemonth period with anticipated losses of $25 …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: We are still within that wi ndow between $5 million and $25 million.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTAR IES
Mr. Scott Pearman In addition to the losses, pr esumably there are considerable additional costs being undertaken to deal with these global matters, is that correct? Do we have a rough number for that? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: I am not aware of any additional costs, given the agreements that we had in …
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary; correct?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. In terms of those considerable additional costs, one would think professional services for legal fees and regulatory advice, et cetera. Correct, Minister? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: My understanding is that situations such as this are already incorporated in the contractual negotiations , but I want to double check and …
The Speaker The Speaker Second question?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I beg your pardon?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker, MP Richardson. 782 14 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Oh, MP Richardson, put your suppl ementary. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Jarion Richardson Would the Honourable Mini ster be able to clarify what , if any , impacts we currently expect to the wid er economy outside of the regulatory fees? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Speaking from the Ministry of Transport, we do not anticipate any wider impacts outside of the regulatory fees.
The Speaker The Speaker Further supplementary?
Mr. Jarion Richardson None, Mr. Speak er.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. MP Pearman, would you like to put your second question.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. QUESTION 2: IMPACT OF THE SANCTION REGIME AGAINST RUSSIA ON THE BERMUDA CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND THE BERMUDA SHIPPING AND MARIT IME AUTHORITY
Mr. Scott Pearman Honourable Minister, you stated in your Statement to the Honourable House today that the Bermuda Shipping and Maritime Authority has not been impacted. My question is this, Presumably , you have reviewed the situation, do w e anticipate any i mpact in the coming days, and months , and weeks?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: No, we do not anticipate . . . at this time there are no impacts anticipated. But I do have a meeting scheduled with the Bermuda Shi pping and Maritime Authority for later this week to be updated once again. This too is a very …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman Presumably if there are Russian relations to ships on our registry, then those will be caught by sanctions. Is that right? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: According to our current legislation, no Russian ownership . . . no ships that have Russian ownerships will be allowed on our regi s-try in …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman No, third question, if I may.
The Speaker The Speaker Third question, go right ahead. QUESTION 3: IMPACT OF THE SANCTION REGIME AGAINST RUSSIA ON THE BERMUDA CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND THE BERMUDA SHIPPING AND MARITIME AUTHORITY
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Honourable Mi nister, you stated several times that this is a fluid situation. And I remember when we were before the Honourable House last Friday you undertook to come and give an updated statement as soon as possible. Can we anticipate that you will give a further statement …
Mr. Scott Pearman No supplementaries. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Honourable Minister.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Thank you, Members, for your participating in this question period. This now brings our question period to a close. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the next item on the Order Paper this morning is the Congratulatory and Obituary speeches. MOMENT OF SILENCE [In memory of Mr. Darius Tucker , former MP]
The Speaker The Speaker As indicated last week, we are going to start this morning by taking a moment of silence at Bermuda House of Assembly this point in r ecognition of the passing of our former Member, and then Members will be allowed to make appropriate remarks. At this time, Members, I am …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members, for your indu lgence and the moment of silence for our former colleague. Would any Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I think the Premier had indicated that he wanted to go first. I was just waiting f or the Premier.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Oh, okay. Sure.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier is not there. Deputy Speaker, would you like to go at this time. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Oh, I am happy to — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —yield to another Member, but if it is more appropriate that I to go …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I was waiting for the Premier. But we will let the Deputy Speaker go next. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this has been a very sad, difficult week in Bermuda. Particularly with the loss of Darius Tucker, a former Honourable Member …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Speaker. Would any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your three minutes. Hon. E. David Burt: My sincere apologies, Mr. Speaker, I was having technical difficulties connecting through. I understand that you did call me, so I si ncerely apologise. Mr. Speaker, today certainly Honourable Members are paying tribute to a former Member of this House of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. MP Foggo, you had jumped in earlier when I was trying to acknowledge those two other Members first. Would you still like to make your contribution at this time?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, I would, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. Is my video on; yes?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, to say that Darius was just an ordinary, affable, fun- loving guy is an understatement. He was all of those things, and Mr. Speaker, he was so much more. He did have a philanthropic nature. He was willing to help anyone who sought his assistance in any way, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo —to his memory going fo rward. Mr. Speaker, thank you for allowing me to have those words.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member, we appreciate it. Would any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Darius’ loss is Bermuda’s loss. You know as people we are a very interesting clan. And I can say in my many, many years of life I have heard no one say anything badly about a person. Bermudians always …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I’m trying to catch your voice.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan. Okay. I saw MP Tyrrell but it sounded like your voice that time, see.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I will defer. I will defer, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. MP Swan, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, in my 10 minutes this morning— [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —I would like to echo those comments going out to the family of Darius Tucker. Forthright was Darius Tucker. A young man, the picture I just saw of him, I shared with him last on WhatsApp was his Southampton Glebe school picture in the class of my brother, Darron. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. MP Tyrrell, would you like to make your contribution now?
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank yo u for the opportunity to join in condolences to my very, very good friend, Darius. So many words have already been spoken about him, describing him, but my best words I can say is, a kind friend. He was the kindest person that I have ever come into. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Tyrrell. Would any other MP like to . . . is that MP Simmons? Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Sir, you have your moment.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. I think I can do a little bit more than a m oment for my good friend. [Laughter]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons I first met Darius Tucker in a previous life in my time in the United Bermuda Party. And while I severed relations with the organisation, I never severed the relationship with my good friend. A few years later, when he also crossed the floor and joined the Progressive Labour Party, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Simmons. Would any other Member wish to make contribution at this time? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would like to extend my heartfelt condolences to the fami ly of former MP Mr. Darius Tucker, to Talitta , to his sons, Taj and Darius Junior . Darius would often talk about his family …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Furbert. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Speaker. [It’s] MP Ric hardson.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Richardson, t he time is yours.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I also extend my condolences to the family and friends of Darius Tucker. We knew each other through a local charitable organisation. And he was always helpful, always welcoming, especially to new members of our organisation. He is described as being amongst the best of us. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Whip. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the opportunity to have my few minutes to give this statement of tribute. It is difficult at times to be public about how you feel, particularly when tragedy [strikes]. And last week, unfortunately, there …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? No other Members? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP De Silva, go right ahead. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too send out condolences to Darius’ wife and two boys. It certainly brings to light for me, Mr. Speaker, I think I was probably a little closer to Darius than most. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other MP wis h to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? Does any other Member like to make a contr ibution? There are none other? Then I will close by just adding my remarks. Bermuda has truly lost a son of the …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS OPPOSITION BILLS PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, that brings us to the Orders of the Day. Again, for the listening audience, we are here today continuing on with the debate [in Comm ittee of Supply] on the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2022/23. There are eight hours set aside each day for …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead then. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in C ommittee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2022/23.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any objections? There are no objections. I now call on the Panel of Chair men who are going to lead this morning’s session, to assume r esponsibility for the House. MP Tyrrell, is that you this morning?
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Yes, it is Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Members and listening audience, the House will now go into Committee under the capable hands of MP Tyrrell. MP Tyrrell, you have the floor. House in Committee at 11:08 am [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2022/23 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And good morning colleagues and good morning to the listening radio audience. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. The first head this morning is the [Ministry of] Home Affairs who will …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed, Minister. C an you hear me? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I can hear you loud and clear.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I am grateful for the opportunity to lead the debate and present the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Heads 93, 29, 32, [49] , 79, 89, 97, the Ministry of Home Affairs Headquarters, the Registry General, the Departments of: …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can I just pause you there please? Just for an update. Minister, are you okay? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Please pause. I will just give an update. Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Esti mates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. We are doing the Ministry of Home Affairs and he has already done Heads 93 and 29. It is …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, please proceed. HEAD 32 —DEPART MENT OF PLANNING Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I will now continue with Head 32, the Department of Planning. Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 32, t he Department of Planning, found on pages B-308 …
The Chairman Chairman I will take this opportunity to again remind Members and the listening audience that we are now in Committee of Supply [ for the debate] of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. The Minister has already done Heads 93 and 29. He is completing Head 32. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will continue. Mr. Chairman, in amplification of the amendment I just described, in order to incentivi se renew able energy and development for the purposes of food production, I will be working with the Minister of F inance to table amendments to reduce planning …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Minister. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12: 32 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:00 pm [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR 2022/23 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Members, and the listening radio audience. We are continuing now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. The Ministry we are doing now is the Ministry of Home Affairs. The Minister has already completed Heads 93, 29 …
The Chairman Chairman I can listen to it again. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I can categorically state, Mr. Chairman, that there is no (and I quote from their [R eply]) “all -out assault on the increase of annual rental values.” Mr. Chairman, annual rental values (ARVs) are both increased for additions and decreased, …
The Chairman Chairman Please do, Minister. Proceed. HEAD 79—D EPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND N ATURAL RE SOURCES Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 79, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR), found on pages B -316 through B -324, pages C-8, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can I pause you there for a moment? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman. The Chairman: I am thoroughly enjoying your presentation. However, I see that my relief has shown up. I am about to hand over to MP Kim Swan. And I will just remind listeners that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Outgoing Chairman. Thank you for your service. Minister, I have been following you. You are in good flow. This debate has another two ho urs remai ning, and I will be in the Chair during that period of time, sir. We are debating Heads 93, 29, 32, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman It is probably a very good time to share that we are on Heads 93, 29, 32, 49, 79 and 89 (of which you are doing now), and 97 to follow. There are 80 minut es remaining. This debate concludes at 4:40, and you are in good form. Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman Sounded like a DR department. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Rob an: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With that I conclude my presentation for Head 79 and I would like to move on to Head 89 for the D epartment of Energy.
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. We are going to Energy which is found on page B -325 of the Budget Book . The Minister, Deputy Premier, has the floor at 3:27. This debate ends at 4:40. Continue, Minister. You have the floor. HEAD 89 —DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes Minister. It is 3:48, you may proceed. This debate goes on until 4:40. HEAD 97 — LAND TITLE AND REGISTRATION DEPARTMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 97, the Land Title and Registration Department (LTRO), found on pages …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. At 3:58 we have some 42 minutes remaining. Does any other Member care to speak to these heads?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, Mr. Chairman. MP Pearman.
The Chairman Chairman MP Pearman, you have the floor. Shadow Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Chairman Swan. May I just check that you can hear me clearly?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, sir.
Mr. Scott Pearman Excellent. Thank you so much. Right. I understand that we have about 40 minutes left in the debate. And I would obviously like to afford the Honourable Minister and D eputy Premier the opportunity to address any questions that I raise. So, I will try to truncate my observations and …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, what is your disposition? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Excuse me, Mr . Chairman. I’m sorry. I did not hear the last part of the comment of the Honourable Member.
The Chairman Chairman The Honourable Member wanted to know whether or not you wanted to answer the ques-tions now or take them all at the end. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will let him give all his que stions to the time that he wishes, and then I will answer.
Mr. Scott Pearman Grateful. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Moving, then, to the second of seven heads addressed by the Minister. This is the H ead 29, rela ting to the Registry General (which is, for those to follow along, in the Budget Book, page B -304). I had alluded …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Minister, you have the floor with some 11 minutes and change remaining. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the Honourable Member’s questions in relation to the Ministry in the time that was available. He raised a number of questions. I want …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I did. It was: How does one define who is a debt collector versus who is a consul tant to the Government? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Speaking to the legisl ation, there is a process upon which an application must be made under the new Debt Collection Act …
The Chairman Chairman One minute remaining, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: As it relates to vertical far ming, the vertical farming initiative is actually under the responsibility of the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation as a business development opportunity. So, questions related to vertical farming . . . we are only providing certain advisory …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, that concludes this debate at 4:40 pm and we will ask you to move your seven heads at this time. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman We invite the next C hairman to take the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: All right, Mr. Chairman. I move Heads 93, 29, 32, 49, 79, 89 and 97 and ask that they be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It ha s been moved that H eads 93, 29, 32, 49, 79, 89, 97 be approved as read. Any objections? No objections, Minister. Thank you. And that concludes Home Affairs. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 29, 32, 49, 79, 89, and 97 were approved and …
The Chairman Chairman The next head up for debate would be Social Development , Heads 86 and 23. But before we do that, we will invite the Deputy Speaker to take the Chair . [Hon. Derrick V . Burgess, Sr., Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member Kim Swan. Good afternoon, Honourable Members. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consider ation of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for [the year 2022/23] for the Min istry of Social Develo p822 14 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chai rman, I am pleased to present the fi scal year 2022/23 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Ministry of Social Development and Se niors by providing a brief overview of the Ministry as a whole. Mr. Chairman, as …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We are presenting doing the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors. It is led by Minister Tinee Furbert. She will move on to Head 23, Child and Family Services. Minister Furbert, you have the floor. HEAD 23 —DEPAR TMENT OF CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES Hon. Tinee Furbert: …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you pause for a second so the next Chairman can take over? This will be Honourable Member MP Lovitta Foggo. Ms. Foggo, you have the controls.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, thank you. [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, we are continuing in Committee of Supply for Head 23. Minister, you have approximately one [sic] hour remaining. Please continue, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Minister. I said one hour. I meant two hours. [Crosstalk and laughter] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Madam Chairman, the Foster Care Programme has three classifications of private home placements: 1. Traditional Foster Care Placement . These foster parents are generic and have no biological connection to the child. 2. Kinship …
The Chairman Chairman Let me just pause you there and give you and the listening public . . . you now have one hour remaining for this debate on Child and Family Services. You are currently on Head 23. Again, as I have pointed out, there is one hour left to your debate, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Members, we are in Committee of Supply on the Ministry of Social D evelopment and Seniors, Heads 86 and 23. Let me say that we have approx imately 33 minutes remaining. Are there any other Members who wish to speak at this time? Ms. Susan E. Jackson: …
The Chairman Chairman That is Member Susan Jackson. You have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you so much for that fulsome brief. It was certainly enlightening to hear all of the developments within your Ministry. I would just like to raise a couple of questions. And I would like to begin with Head 86. And this is a question …
The Chairman Chairman Member, can you point out the page number?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. The grants to the third sector is page C -21. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson There is the line item 6912, for the rest homes. Within the listing of rest homes that you gave you included the Packwood Home in that $1.45 million allocation. But I also see that down further there is a line item 7056, Packwood Rest Home, where there is a $300,000 …
The Chairman Chairman Are you wanting the Minister to a nswer —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I will keep going then. The reason why I am asking is that I have done some research on the charity rest homes in Bermuda of which there are four. And I have found that there have been astronomical expenses that the rest homes have had to endure over the …
The Chairman Chairman Could you speak to the line item?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It is actually in Subjective Analysis for Head 23 on page B -294. So on Rentals it is $1.375 million. But within that, and I am of the understanding that rents have gone up substantially because you are in a new buil ding. But you had mentioned in last year’s …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -286?
Ms. S usan E. Jackson Yes. It comes under —
The Chairman Chairman Under the Ministry itself.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. And it comes under the line item of Capital Expenditure and Development. There is a $500,000 allocation for the Youth Trans itional Living Centre. I have a few questions around the develo pment of that programme. In last year’s brief when you were first announcing this initiative you had …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, are you able to answer some of those questions now or do you want the Member to continue to pose any f urther questions she may have? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sure, I can answer the questions.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. But I just [want] to say at this point in time it is 8:23 and so we are just shy of 20 minutes remaining. Minister. Hon. T inee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will try to answer the questions how I r emember. There …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, while you are pausing there, let me — [Crosstalk] Hon. T inee Furbert: Sorry, Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman I was just letting you know you have 10 minutes remaining. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Okay. There was a question in regard to how many children aged out last year. There were 10 children who aged out. All of t hem had transitional plans at the time of the ageing [out]. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member, do you have any further questions for the Minister.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I do, but I would just like to give way for any other Member who might have a question.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Let me just advise yo u, the listening public and the Minister that there are six minutes remaining in this debate. Are there any other Members who wish to ask the Minister questions? There are no other Members who seem to wish to ask the Minister questions. Member, if …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have one or two just supplementary — [Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Here comes somebody. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister provide — 852 14 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Is that the Leader of the Opposition? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Member Simons, you have the floor. Go ahead. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Mi nister provide details on the support that they are giving possibly [to the] four senior residences who are finding themselves in financial difficulty. What accommodations or what is in transition for those four —
The Chairman Chairman Member, what line item are y ou referring to and what page? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Page B -288, line 96040, Ageing and Disability Services .
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sorry, I couldn’t hear the Honourable Member. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: It is my understanding that under the Ageing that possibly four senior residences are facing financial challenges and they have ap-pealed for support from Government. Can you give us an update on how …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have four minutes to answer that question and move your heads. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sure. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Currently we provide grants for three nursing homes. And [those are] the Packwood Home, Matilda Smith [Williams] as well as Lorraine Nursing Home. Prior to our appropriations there was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. There are two minutes remaining.
Ms. Sus an E. Jackson Yes, I have a further question.
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson, you may pose your question and go on to the last minute.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. Thank you. Going back to page C -21, Minister, again I ask you . . . the Packwood Rest Hom e has got the allocation of $300,000 which you confirmed. But there is a line item 6912 for rest homes in general, for $1.45 million. So I am curious …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Packwood, Lorraine, Matilda Smith, and Westmeath. Hon. Tinee Furbert: No, no, no. It is Packwood, Lorraine, Matilda . . . you can include Summerhaven in there, but Westmeath was not a part of our —
The Chairman Chairman I am going to have to ask you to please quickly answer the question so that your Head can be moved in the last 30 seconds or so. So you can answer her question. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes. So I am just clarifying that it was only Matilda Smith, Lorraine …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I guess my last question is, If the charity rest home Westmeath is unable to financially sustain itself and those clients are left without a rest home to be in, what is the Minister proposing will happen to those residents should that facility close down due to financial constraints? Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. That is the end of the debate. And you made it clear that you cannot speak to Westmeath. Can you now please move your Heads? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sure. Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 86 and 23 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 86 and 23 be approved. Are there any objections to this motion? There are no objections. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Social Development and Seniors , Heads 86 and 23 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expend iture for …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can I now ask that you move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman. B ermuda House of Assembly I move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been moved that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Are there any objections to that? There being none; agreed to. [ Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress and sought leave to sit again.]
The Chairman Chairman I will now ask for the Speaker to r esume his Chair.
The Speaker The Speaker Madam Chairman, can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I am just now getting my camera on. Give me one minute and see if we can sort that out.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Mr. Speaker, and I just want you know that the Committee has asked for permi ssion to rise and report progress and for leave to sit again and that has been approved. So once you are able to turn on your camera, you have the floor. House resumed at …
The Speaker The Speaker For some reason there is a technical issue here right now. We will see if we can get it sor ted while I am back in the Chair. But Madam Chai rman, thank you overseeing the last of the proceed-ings. Members, we are now back in the House and the …
The Speaker The Speaker Before we do that I woul d just like to make mention, it should have been done this morning before I left the Chair, that today was Commonwealth Day and that the message from the Queen has been circulated to all Members on the SharePoint. Feel free to print and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move that we rise and adjourn to sit on Wednesday, March 16, at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any objections to that? There are none. Would anyone like to speak to the motion? There are none. Members, thank you for your participation t oday. The House is now closed for today’s session. Stay well and healthy and we will see you first t hing …
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