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House of Assembly Session 2021/2022 380 speeches

March 11, 2022

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The Attorney General presented the Legal Affairs Ministry's budget, highlighting various law reform accomplishments from the past year including amendments to matrimonial law, criminal code changes for gang activity, and revenge porn legislation. She outlined upcoming initiatives like constitutional reform advancement, cannabis regulation framework development, and court fee revisions. The Transport Minister provided an update on the pilot boat St. David, confirming repairs were completed in Boston and the vessel returned to Bermuda, with government costs limited to $10,000 due to insurance coverage.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 11, 2022
Session 2021/2022
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Speakers 20
Speeches 380

Key Topics

Ministry of Legal Affairs & Constitutional Reform budget presentation for 2022/23 ($32.7 million total)Update on pilot boat St. David repairs following May 2021 training accidentIntroduction of three new bills: Motor Car Amendment Act, Payroll Tax Amendment Act, and Customs Tariff Amendment ActLegal reform initiatives including cannabis licensing, matrimonial law changes, and constitutional reformLegal Aid Office operations and Justice Protection Programme updates

Bills & Motions

Motor Car Amendment Act 2022 - first reading introduced
Payroll Tax Amendment and Validation Act 2022 - first reading introduced
Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2022 - first reading introduced
Mortgaging of Aircraft and Aircraft Engines (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2022 - paper submitted
Committee of Supply continued for budget debate (Legal Affairs and Economy/Labour departments)

Notable Moments

Attorney General emphasized that constitutional reform is about "self-determination, autonomy, and de-colonisation" as Bermuda remains on the UN list of non-self-governing territories
Discussion of challenges with the cannabis conviction expungement process due to incomplete historical records not specifying drug quantities
All three participants in the previous year's legal Pupillage Programme successfully completed training and were admitted to the Bermuda Bar

Debate Transcript

380 speeches from 20 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Members, we are now about to start today’s session. Madam Clerk will lead us in prayer this morning. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Shernette Wolffe, Clerk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Clerk. Members, we are now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 4 and 7 March 2022]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the March 4 and March 7 have been circulated. Are there any amendments or corrections required? There are none. The minutes will stand as printed. [Minutes of 4 and 7 March confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There is one paper this morning being presented by the Minister of Transport. Minister, would you like to present your paper at this time? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. MORTGAGING OF AIRCRAFT AND AIRCRAFT ENGINES (FEES) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, with the Go vernor’s recommendation and in accordance with sec-tion 36( 3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further papers. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Again, we call on the Minister of Transport. Minister, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, I would. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. UPDATE ON PILOT BOAT ST. DAVID Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, on 14 May 2021, I informed this Honourable House that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, MP Jackson has indicated that she has a question for you on your S tatement this morning. MP Jackson, would you like to put your question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And good morning, Minister. And so my first question is, I am wondering if the Minister — [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker One second, one second, MP. MP Simmons -Wade, your microphone needs to be shut off. Thank you. MP Jackson, you can continue. QUESTI ON 1: UPDATE ON PILOT BOAT ST. DAVID
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I wondering if the Minister can please advise the Honourable House whether the premiums are expected to increase as a result of this claim.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. W . Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, there has been no indication from our insurance provider that there will be an increase in premiums at this time.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Is the Ministry of Transport prepared in case there is an increase in the premium?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, we are prepared if there is one, but once again, I would like to reiterate, at this time, the Ministry is not aware of any increase or pending increase to premiums.
The Speaker The Speaker Thanks. Further supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, Mr. Speaker, but I do have another question.
The Speaker The Speaker Put your second question. QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON PILOT BOAT ST. DAVID
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I am wondering if the Minister could just please provide this Honourable House with any changes to the training or any disciplinary actions that may have occurred as a result of this incident.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: This incident has not r esulted in any need or requirement for training in the trip or any changes in the policy in relation to training. And any employment matters are not under the remit of the Minister. That would be the Head of the …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No supplementary at this time. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Any further Member have a supplementary? There are none. Thank you, Members, Minister and Shadow Minister for your participation. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 695 Bermuda House of Assembly CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLI C IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are actually three Bills to be i ntroduced this morning. The first two are in the name of the Premier/Minister of Finance. Premier, would you like to present your first Bill? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, absolutely. Good morning to you, Mr. Speaker, how are you today?
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. I am very well, thank you. FIRST READINGS PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT AND VALIDATION ACT 2022 CUSTOMS TARIFF AMEN DMENT ACT 2022 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bills, which according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution require the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. The next introduction will come from the Mi nister of Transport. Minister of Transport? FIRST READING MOTOR CAR AMENDMENT ACT 2022 Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution require …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That completes the Introduction of Bills. There are no Opposition Bills, no Private Members’ Bills. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, that brings us to the Orders of the Day which is, again, the resumption of Commi ttee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. Again, for the listening audience, once we start the daily debate on the Budget, that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Are there any objections? There are no objections. Good morning, Member Chairman, whichever member of the Chair Panel is leading this morning’s session.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Famous, I thought it was you. 696 11 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Again, for the listening audience, MP Famous will Chair the first session of this morning’s debate.
Mr. Christopher Famous Can you see me clearly, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker MP Famous, you have the Chair. House in Committee at 10:10 am [Mr. Christopher Famous, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2022/23 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members and the liste ning public, we are now in resumption of Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. Today we have the honour of listening to the Honourable Attorney Gen eral, Kathy Lynn Simmons, on the Ministry of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS & CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM HEAD 87 —HEADQUARTERS Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, the mission statement and department objectives for the Mi nistry of Legal Affairs & Constitutional Reform Headquarters begin on page B -73 of the Estimates Book. The mission statement is: To …
The Chairman Chairman Attorney General , sorry. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes?
The Chairman Chairman I could not hear that last sentence; may you say that again? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: All three of the pupils from last year’s Pupillage Programme successfully completed their training and were admitted to the Bermuda Bar, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: We are encouraged that each of the three female pupils found employment immediately after completing the programme. Two, I am pleased to say, joined the public service, and the other took up work within the private Bar. Our commitment to our young aspiring barristers is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much, Attorney General, for the work that Mirrors are doing. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, Mirrors launched the schoolwide PeerForward programme in both public senior schools, with support to the Mirrors Alumni and Friends Association from Centennial Bermuda Fou ndation, Bermuda …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Attorney General. I would like to pause you for a quick second please while you take a water break. For Honourable Members and the listening public, we are in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2022/23. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Chairman, could you give the Attorney General two minutes please?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, no problem. For the listening public who often want to know where to find the audio of the House, you can go to parliament.bm and go to the listening section, for those who want to find the recordings of previous sessions or listen to this ses-sion or any current …
The Chairman Chairman No problem, Attorney General. You now have the floor. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you. I will now move on to Grants. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 707 Bermuda House of Assembly Grants Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, the Budget allocation for grants for fiscal year 2022/23 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Attorney General. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, I now move on to present Head 3, Judicial Department HEAD 3 —JUDICIAL DEPARTMENT Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, the current account estimates for Head 3, the Judicial D epartment, begin on page B -79 of the Estimates …
Dame Lois Browne- Evans Building The Magistrates’ Courts in the Dame Lois Browne- Evans Buil ding (DLBEB) on Court Street opened for business in April 2011. The Courts and Administrative offices are spread across the northern section of the second, third and fourth floors. The premises also now house the Supreme Court Family/Matrimonial Division, Pr …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Attorney General, I would like to pause you here for a quick second. I am handing over chairmanship to the Honourable Susan Jac kson. She will be chairing the remainder of this debate for the next two hours. [Ms. Susan E. Jackson, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I would just like to take a moment to say good morning to the listening public and Members of Par-liament. We are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Reve nue and E xOfficial Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 711 Bermuda House of …
The Chairman Chairman Madam Attorney General, may I stop you here for the lunch break? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Absolutely, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. I just want to remind the listening public and Members of Parliament that we are in Committee of Supply. We are going to take a break now and return at 2:00 pm. This debate will continue with Head 4, and then move on to Heads 74, …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Members; good afternoon listening public. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. We are presently listening to the Attorney General in coving Heads 87, 3, 4, 74, 75 and 88. We are presently on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Attorney General. I will just take this moment to update the li stening audience and Members, that we are in Commi ttee of Supply for consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. We are listening to the Heads from the Attorney General’s Chambers, …
The Chairman Chairman Mem bers of the public, while we are waiting for the Attorney General, we are in Committee of Supply for the Estimates of Revenue and Expendi-ture for the year 2022/23. We are now moving on to Head 88, National Drug Control. This debate began at 10:12 am, and is e …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Madam Chairman, can you give the Attorney General a few minutes?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman While we are waiting for the Attorney General, today w e are listening to Legal Affairs and Constitutional Reform. We have covered Head 3, J udicial Department, we covered Head 4— Attorney General’s Chambers; Head 74 —Department of Court Services; Head 75 —Department of Public Prosec ution; and we are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank yo u, Madam Attorney General. We have run out of time. Would you like to move your Heads? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that Heads 87, 3, 4, 74, 75 and 88 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 87, 3, 4, 74, 75 and 88 be approved as printed. Is there any objection to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Legal Affairs and Constitutional Reform, Heads 87, 3, 4, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We will now proceed. I see that the Minister has arrived. And the Chairman— Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I wonder if you c an confirm the Heads that the Ministry will be doing? I ask that question because it was not r eceived in the Schedule. It …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I have . . . I will cross reference, one moment please. Yes, so the Schedule reads that you will be doing Heads 44, 14, 27, 55, 60. Hon. Jason Hayward: Thank you for that clarification.
The Chairman Chairman All right. In the absence of the Chai rman, we wi ll proceed —
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Member Jackson, have you completed your two hours , yes?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I . . . I may have about 15 minutes. I will stay.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, could you hold the seat for 15 minutes until Member Swan makes hims elf available?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I can stay.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. And you can just let the listening public know what time this debate is officially beginning. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 731 Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes. All right. This debate is officially beginning at 3:45 pm. Honourable Members, we are now in Commi …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. MINISTRY OF ECONOMY AND LABOUR Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I will pr oceed with Head 44, Ministry of Economy and Labour Headquarters. HEAD 44 — MINISTRY OF ECONOMY AND LABOUR HEADQUARTERS Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman and Honourable Member s, I am pleased to present the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Good afternoon to you, Mi nister. I just want to thank outgoing Chair, MP Jac kson who has concluded her duties for this afternoon and I assume the Chair. We are dealing with Head 44, found on page B-173. Minister, continue o n. Thank you very much. Output Measures …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Minister, you can proceed with Head 14 which is found on page B -176. HEAD 14 —DEPARTMENT OF STATISTICS Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, it gives me again great pleasure to present the budget for Head 14, the Department of Statistics, found on pages B - 176 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much, Minister. I believe you will now move to the next head, sir, Head 27 on page B -179. HEAD 27 —DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION Hon. Jason Hayward: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will now present the Head 27, Department of Immigration found on pages B …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Chairman, I’m sorry to disturb the Minister. I j ust didn’t follow him on that last line of rentals.
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Honourable Member, you have to speak to the Chair. If you would like a point of clarification or point of information or a point of order, you can get the Chair’s attention and I will direct the Minister for you. Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. I said “Mr. Chairman.” Sorry, Mr. Chairman, point of clarification. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 737 Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you, you may proceed, Mini ster. Continue on, Shadow Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATI ON
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just . . . the Honourable Minister mentioned on page B -180, repair and maintenance, he said there was a minor decrease. But I thought he then referenced the rental number. So the number I am looking at for repair and maintenance, the actual number …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Minister, did you follow that point of clarific ation? [No audible response]
The Chairman Chairman We are waiting to reconnect with Mi nister Hayward. We are doing the Heads . . . at this particular time we are on page B -180, Immigration. Minister Hayward is getting some clarification. Hon. Jason Hayward: Yes, what I believe is the r epair and maintenance that was referenced, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: —under repair and maint enance, the number was $897[,000], that was the former number. But it can now be found under rentals. And so what I am making reference to is the previous years’ estimate. And then that number can now be found under rentals in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Shadow Minister, did you follow that explan ation?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I did. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Minister. Continue on. Hon. Jason Hayward: This contract requires imm igration to be responsible for the purchase of additional supplies such as paper supplies, hand soap and sanitisers. As 2021/22 was the first year for this con-tract, the estimated cost of the additional supplies was greater …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We are one hour into this four -hour debate on Heads 44, 14, 27, 55, and 60. The Minister respons ible for Labour, Immigration, Workforce Developm ent is the Honourable Jason Hayward, our Minister. If you are fully refreshed, you may continue. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. New Initiat ives Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, as a continu ation of immigration reform, the Department of Immigr ation will • review and rewrite the Work Permit Policy; • complete phase 1 of the digitisation of imm igration applications including the optimisation of our application forms; online submission …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Thank you, Minister. We are at 4:56 pm. This debate continues on until 7:45 pm. We are debating Heads 44, 14, 27 and we have done those three already. The Minister will now proceed with the final two heads, Heads 55, F inancial Assistance followed by Workforce Development, Head 60. …
The Chairman Chairman Please mute your microphones. Everyone within earshot. M aybe the Legislature could assist with making sure all microphones are muted. Continue on, Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, in order to effectively implement these processes, innovative tec hnologies will be explored and ut ilised as much …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You are moving along quite well. It is now 5:30 pm. The debate goes to 7:45 pm. You have Head 60 outstanding, Minister, page B -188. You may continue. HEAD 60 —DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, I will now move to the 2022/23 …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry to interrupt. I will take this opportunity to tell you that at the top of the hour you will be joined by MP Foggo. Thank you for your present ation [during] my presence as Chairman. Thank you for the work that you are doing. I will sign off when …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, thank you for your present ation. I will now open the floor for others to partic ipate in the debate should they have any questions for Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 751 Bermuda House of Assembly you. Let me say up front that we are in Committee …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. MP Richardson.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. MP Richardson, I acknowledge you. You have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And I thank the Honourable Minister for his thorough brief as it relates to the Ministry of Economy and Labour, saving Head 94 which we previously debated. Madam Chairman, the Ministry of Economy and Labour is clearly crucial to the ongoing success of Bermuda given …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hay ward: Madam Chairman, I will first state that the objectives outlined in the Budget Book do not actually reflect the total objectives of the Mini stry. I explained in the last debate we collectively participated in, MP Richardson [and I] , that the change to the …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Just following up with that line item spend. Are we anticipating or are there contained in the Budget Book any further spends on immigration automation, given that we have heard from the Minister’s brief that it is on phase one? And …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I did indicate in the budget brief, Madam Chairman, that we were able to successfully pay for the project by the end of this fiscal period, and as a result we do not have estimated spends. Even though we have paid for the entire exercise, we …
The Chairman Chairman Any other questions, Member?
Mr. Jarion Ri chardson Not on this point, Madam Chairman. Thank you. Madam Chairman, I thank the Honourable Minister. As it relates to . . . still on page B-173, Head 44, the last department objective to provide oversight of the Labour Relations Section to implement the new Labour Code, this coming from the …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Honourable Mi nister. As it relates again to page B-173, specifically in the general summary of expenditure, business unit 54210, I see that there is an estimate for the 2022/23 year, a request for $122,000 for the Immigration A ppeals Tribunal. And I believe the Minister spoke to …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Madam Chairman, I would be moving on to Head 44 on page B -174, in the space of Salaries, under Subjective Analysis of Current A ccount Estimates, we see a pay rise, or rather we see a rise of some 19 per cent in salaries, up by $188,000. And there …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The salary for one public officer would not make $188,000, Madam Chairman. [Laughing] Hon. Jason Hayward: But what would happen is , we have a number of seconded officers within the department . And so what you would see is a combination of a new body …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. To that end, the Minister di d speak on 54060, Administration replacing temporary staffing. Would the Honourable Minister please elucidate on that point of replacing temporary staffing? Because he has just gone and said their staff were seconded . Are those …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, the s econdment staff are not what we consider to be temporary staff. We do have temporary additional staff who are in the position of a full -time equivalence. And so for example, we currently do not have a management accountant, but we do …
The Chairman Chairman Member .
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. To that end, is what we are seeing under Pr ofessional Services . . . Madam Chairman, I am on Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 753 Bermuda House of Assembly Head 44, Subjective Analysis of Current A ccount E stimates where we are …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, continue to elucidate please. Hon. Jason Hayward: How secondments work is the host department of the secondee is actually paying the salary for the seconded staff. However, that amount of money is budgeted for as we are trying to transition the second ed staff into staff within the Mini …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Honourable Mi nister. Thank you, Madam Chairman. A question on Subjective Analysis of Current Account Expenditures , Advertising and Promotion. Could the Minister speak to this $15,000, what does the Ministry Headquarters advertis e or promote? Hon. Jason Hayward: This could be something as simple as radio ads …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you , Madam Chai rman. Moving on. I thank the Honourable Minister for his points. Moving on to page B -175 and performance measures, which is a point I bring up a lot, Madam Chairman. I have some questions as it relates to . . . Before I hop …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The Labour Relation’s role is defined by the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidati on) Act. And in that Act, they have a specific responsibility to mediate and conciliate disputes, investigate disputes and when necessary make a r eferral to the Minister and then also …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman and Honourable Minister. Thank you. I will move into the business units now. As it relates to business unit 54060, Administr ation, one of the performance measures here is , number one, “Number of Throne Speech initiatives completed during the fiscal year. ” I note …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: There would be the Youth Employment Strategy. There would be the digiti sation 754 11 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly of the Immigration Department. And the other two would be related to the work as it pertains to the Ec onomic Recovery …
The Chairman Chairman Member , any further questions?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. Not on that point. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Honour able Minis ter. Madam Chairman, just a point on number two, same business unit, 54060, Variance . This performance measurement is to ensure that we have a plus or minus 5 per cent variance between the approved …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Okay, I was just going to say [something] because your picture had disappeared on me, but it has returned. Thank you. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I think as it pertains to invest igations, what we try to do is do a reasonable predi ction as to the volume …
The Chairman Chairman Member .
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just on that point of the number of investigations, the Honourable Minister in his brief did say there was —and I apologi se, I may have transcribed some of these numbers wrong, but it is thereabouts — some 565 complaints of which 475 were consult …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: There are two levels of pena lties issued. Number one would be when a matter is referred to the Employment and Labour Relations Tr ibunal and they adjudicate a matter, and they have a financial penalty. Not all the time is the reward to the department …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Member .
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. And to . . . and . . . the Minister said 18 . . . Oh, yes. Great. As it relates to immigration appeals, Madam Chairman, still on page B-175, business unit 54210, Immigration Appeals Tribunal . Number two, the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And this relates to question number three, I note that . . . Oh, sorry, my question is as it relates to performance measurement number three, “Percentage (%) of Immigration Tribunals still outstanding at the end of the period. ” I note that in 2020/21, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward : I think that we have to look at the measurement as a performanc e measure as to what the department can actually control. So notwit hstanding that this is a performance measure for the Ministry of Economy and Labour, and they have these Tribunals, sometimes …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minist er. With that being said . . . And that is very understandable. With that being said, there are nonetheless Government fees funding that operation. And so, my only point would be to the Honourable Minister, not so much a question, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I would just like to indicate that those individuals do not get paid if they do not work. They get paid for the work that they do.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that clarification, Mini ster. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. So, a question I still have on page B-175, under business unit 54200, labour relations section, number three. Some of the performance measur ements they are supposed to undertake this year are a number of outreach presentations. My question to the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The outreach can be done on two separate levels. The outreach can be done to employees to inform them of the rights that they are due according to the Employment Act. They can also be to HR groups and employ er groups to inform them of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chai rman, as it relates to the number of outreaches, I am not sure the extent to which how much work goes into the process. But given the signi ficance of changes that took place under the consol idated labour legislation and all of …
The Chairman Chairman Yield for a response to your comment. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: What I appreciate about him looking at five and saying that is a small [number] — somet imes you can present to an entire Chamber of 756 11 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Commerce economic …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Mr. Jarion Richardson And Madam Chairman, that goes back to my point —I think I raised it last year with this specific Honourable Minister —that there is so much to get said in the Ministry in the brief. And there is so much. In fact, this year’s brief had a section that said, …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you can ask all your questions. If you have a whole slew of questions, you can perhaps ask them all and then give the Minister the floor to answer them all.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. But this — Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I actually prefer to take the questions one by one. Because what happens here is when he rolls off 20 questions and then I respond to one of the 20 questions and he has a follow up …
The Chairman Chairman That is fine, Minister. It sometimes gets tricky if you have one Member and then another Member jumps up and then somebody jumps . . . you know. But Member, continue to ask your questions citing the line items and the like. Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chai rman, I am now on Head 14, D epartment of Statistics, page B -176. Specifically, Mad-am Chairman, this head in the Budget Book is r equesting a spend of some $2.171 million for the D epartment of S tatistics to produce and provide …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Ric hardson Madam Chairman, would the Honourable Minister explain under the department objectives . . . We see the second objective, adopt current international statistical methodologies, stan dards, and best practices in the collection, collation and producti on of statistics. This objective was in last year’s Budget Book. So, it begs the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. J ason Hayward: If the Member could restate that question again, please.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, he pointed out the objective, the third bullet objective. And why is that still highlighted under the Department of statistics since it was in last year’s Budget Book? [Pause ]
The Chairman Chairman I think what he is trying to— Hon. Jason Hayward: Why is the objective to operate a transparent and citizen- centric department —
Mr. Jarion Richardson Sorry, Madam Chairman. I was referring to the secon d bullet point, which says to adopt current international —
The Chairman Chairman But you cited the . . . yes, you cited the—
Mr. Jarion Richardson The third? I apologise.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, go ahead. Hon. Jason Hayward: Yes, Madam Chairman. That did cause m e some confusion. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 757 Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: Now, adopting current international statistical methods under the standards and best practices in the collection, compilation …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. Thank you very much. To that end, international best practices being what we have here . . . Is the Minister saying that right now Berm uda has adopted all of the current intern ational statistical methodologies, standards and best practices? Hon. Jason Hayward: So, Madam Chairman, what …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman and Honourable Minister. Then my question would relate to . . . I would take us to page B-178, specifically business unit 24055, the National Household Income and Expenditure Survey from data collected via electronic devices. This performance measurement is to be determined. But my …
The Chairman Chairman Is that a question or are you making a statement?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I am just sort of trying to build it up, because this world of statistics has nothing straightforward in it, Madam Chairman, at least in my research. So, my question is: Are we going to run the National Household Income and Expenditure Survey to update the Consumer Price Index methodology …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I understand what the Honourable Member is trying to say, but I do not want to correc t him in terms of just explaining the methodology. So, what is derived from the House Expend iture Survey , once you look at the Consumer Price …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman and Honourable Minister. My next ques tion takes us off page B -176 in the department objectives and into the subjective analysis of . . . actually, the employee numbers (full - time equivalents) on B -177 for H ead 14, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. So, my question relates to the Department of Statistics. Specifically, we have employee numbers under business units starting with 24015 , and [continuing] with 24020, 24025 and 24055. What appear to be, well, business units. My questio n to the Honour able Minister is: Which …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: So, core statistics would be Economics Division where you have the production of your GDP. Underneath core statistics they have a core annual. And so, what . . . the way in which the department is trying to . . . the [way the] Member is …
The Chairman Chairman Member, has that clarified things for you?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Madam Chairman. Clarified only because I was trying to look at page B-178 and the divisions wit hin that department and see which one of those divisions is undertaking which one of these workstreams. But I take the point that the business units as outlined under H ead 14 …
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. My next question goes under H ead 14 to subjective analysis of current account estimates. There is a code description here for communications and then another code for advertising and promotions. Under the former, communications, there is an ask for $4,000. …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: The Member can continue with his next question while I —
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Pose your next question, Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Madam Chairman. My next question is to the Honourable Mini ster, which goes to the rentals. I note that the rental amount is still $146,000, and the facilit y currently b eing provided for that department is the Cedar Park house, I want to say it’s called. It’s quite …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 759 Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Jason Hayward: Every application you use you can track engagement on the respective social media app that is being used. And so, I believe what that is ultimately referred to is the level of engagement that …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
Mr. Jarion Richardson My next question relates to business unit 24020, core statistics and publications. And the target outcome, or rather I should say, the performance measurement I am looking at is scope of economics statistics increased to: production account estimates by institutional sector; Gross Domestic Product by inc ome approach estimates; household …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, are you able to answer his question? Hon. Jason H ayward: That would be consistent with it. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My next question is in relation to business unit 24025, core annual surveys on page B-178. The performance measure is data quality assess ment fram ework (DQAF) for National Accounts completed. And the targeted outcome is to achieve 60 per cent of the five components …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I will endeavour to get that answer for the Honourable Member. He can proceed.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Mr. Jarion Richardson All right . Thank you, Madam Chairman and Honourable Minister. My next question as it relates to H ead 14 is actually on page C-13, specifically business uni t 76742, where $17,000 is requested for something called e-Manpower, which is a new spend. Would the Honourable Minister be able to …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Can you highlight, Member, where that is found ?
The Chairman Chairman It is on page C-13 in the back of the Budget Book. It is Schedule C, capital acquisitions. It is the second item listed, 76742. And the page is highlighted in red. Hon. Jason Hayward: I found it. I would endeavour to get the response.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I am just making a note of the questions I have pending. Okay, great. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Moving on to H ead 27, immigration. Madam Chairman, my questions will relate to Head 27, imm igration, wherein on page B-179, the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. [No audible response]
The Chairman Chairman Page B -180. Hon. Jason Hayward: I am clear , Madam Chairman. I will endeavour to get that response to the Member.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman and thank you, Honourable Minister. 760 11 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Would the Honourable Minister . . . He co vered it in his brief, but I am not sure I got the entirety of the explanation. I asked for …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Minister, can you clarify? Hon. Jason Hayward: As it pertains to professional services, that will pertain to the vendors that are act ually utilised by the Department of Immigration for any given time to support the records department. Now, if I could explain this repair and maintenance and rentals. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Would the Honourable Minister be able to explain or . . . I am not seeing the rental in the back of the Budget Book for the facility at the airport. Is that a typo? Why don’t we see it over …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I will get clarification as to how that is placed. But it’s not like you have a . . . Customs also has a space. I am not sure where the contract is actually held, but I know that we have to provide those …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, Honourable Minister. To that end, . . . Since we brought up customs, and I would like to ask a question . I’m on page B-181, busi ness unit 37030, where the Minister had mentioned in his brief about compliance and uniforms and mentioned that …
The Chairman Chairman I do believe that customs falls under the Ministry of National Security. So, I do not know if the Minister can explain for another Ministry. Are you able to slightly reword your question so that he can clarify what is going on within his own Ministry? Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you Madam Chai rman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. I am just trying to wrap my head around the two things. Madam Chairman, as it relates to my next question under H ead 27 on page B-180 under subjective analysis of current account estimates , other expenses listed at the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I will endeavour to get clarif ication.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I thank the Honourable Minister. My next question is still on page B -180—
The Chairman Chairman While you are posing that question, let me just tell the listening audience and Members Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 761 Bermuda House of Assembly that we are at the top of the hour. It is now 7:00 pm, and there are 45 minutes left in this debate. …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I draw t he Minister’s attention to page B -180 under the revenue summary wherein we have — Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Yield, Member, please.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: If I can, just the other expenses. I d id not want to leave that one out there lingering. I guess what we would explain is that because we are moving to a digiti sed platform, what we are going to find is that we are …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. I hope that provides some clarification for you, Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes. Madam Chairman, a follow up question, if you please?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just on that credit card fee. So we are incurring fees for the processing of the credit cards under this other expenses.
The Chairman Chairman Is that your question?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I suppose I am just shocked at how much it is and how we have to put it under other expenses. I feel like the accountants would . . . I feel like my accountant would fight with me about that. So, let me just develop a parliamentary question off …
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Jarion Richardson To that end, Madam Chai rman, I go back to revenue summary under page B180. I note here we have two penalties under revenue summary 8877 and 8881. My question is why do we have two cost centres for penalties, and my question to the Honourable Minister would also be …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, are you able to respond? Hon. Jason Hayward: The specific question is to why the revenue source 8877 and why 8881 exist. That is a technical question [for which] I have to get an answer as to why. There are different levels of revenue sources broken up. But all …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, I will sta nd by for the answer on the technical , and the reason why I will stand by, Madam Chairman, is because the first number 8877 showed zeros on a going- forward basis, whereas the other one shows an actual estimated revenue. So …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I do have clarification. I was presented with a revised draft of page B-180 which is the Immigration head and it actually has repair and maintenance all squared up. This is actually somewhat of an error where the majority of that repair and maintenance . . …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Jason Hayward: The rentals which is featured is still as it pertains to spaces —
The Chairman Chairman Rentals is $885,000. Hon. Jason Hayward: So it is correct in the column in the 2022/23 estimates. Where it is incorrect is the co lumn for the originals. If you can see, there is an extra zero in that line item. So, if you were to take out the second …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Okay. So, Madam Chairman, if I may ask the follo wing question, because I think I have got it —
The Chairman Chairman I think the issue is that there was no errata prepared to show us where the errors were, and I do not think we have been equipped with one, so . . . but please do ask your question if you have a follow -up question.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. So , on advertising and promotion under subjective analysis of current account estimates, it currently has $265[,000] under 2020/21 and then z ero. And the Honourable Minister is saying that zero is incorrect. If we just shift up that column, we then wind up w …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, is that what you have just clarified? Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I wish it were that simple. So, under the revised sheet, and I think this is going to become a little difficult, there is no advertising and promotion line item.
The Chairman Chairman Understood. Hon. Jason Hayward: So that [INAUDIBLE] line item also gets —
The Chairman Chairman Erased, yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: And advertising and promotion you will find that there is no difference between adver-tising and communications. I think they morph into that one item.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Jason Hayward: I do have clarity as it pertains to page C-13, capital expenditure for the Department of Statistics.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The e-Manpower refers to the purchase of computers to conduct household surveys. Madam Chairman, you are muted.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. I was saying please do go ahead and provide the clarification, because I could not hear you just now. I did not know if you actually gave it. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, so what I was saying was that the e -Manpower, the funds that are referred to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Member, any other questions? I hope that this did at least help to cl arify.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, that was very helpful. But I am wondering, and I stand to be guided by you, Madam Chairman, as it relates to page B-180 on subjective analysis of current account estimates. My questions have been a nswered, but the answer is that there is a …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, and Member, I do not have access to the errata so I am unable to pull that up and provide you any further assistance on that. But I think that the Minister has at le ast undertaken to where he has not been able to get answers to provide …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Then, moving on to . . . Madam Chairman, I am still on head— Hon. Jason Hayward: Excuse me, Madam Chai rman, if I can touch on a couple of questions that he asked in the past and —
The Chairman Chairman Right. Member, will you yield so that the Minister can answer some of your previous questions?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes please, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: So, communications as it pertains to statistics versus . . . he asked a question about communications versus advertising. Communications is cell phones, telecommunication equipment and postal. Advertising is radio, newspaper and TV advertising. Is the building fit for purpose? Yes, the buil ding still remains …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, the only one that I have outstanding is the data quality assessment framework question. But I am very happy to move on. But I just wanted to put a flag on that. On Head 27 Immigration, page B -182, under the performance measures for business …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The outcomes in the book are actual outcomes. So that is actual processing time. As it is, the revised forecast is more accurate to reflect the length of processing time. What we are now doing is implementing a system that will create a level of efficiency …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and Honourable Minister. Madam Chairman, we have under similar ci rcumstance or under bus iness unit 37020 personal services, again on page B -182, average process time for passport issuance days, which is about four down from the top. It says that we had an …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, thank you, Honourable Minister. Madam Chairman, I draw attention to page B - 183, business unit 37030, compliance. I actually apologise, it’s not that one, it’s 37040, finance and admi nistration. I see that the Honourable Minister has under performance measures the very last one, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, the Member can proceed. I will endeavour to get clarification on that.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I thank the Honourable Minister. I am moving on to H ead 55, financial assi stance, specifically page B -184 wherein the requested spend for financial assistance is $52.9 million, $48.8 million of which is actual grants and contributions, leaving a balance of something …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, if the Honourable House can ask his question in a more concise way I would be better able to digest it.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Member, can you be more specific and ask a closed question so that he can give you a definitive answer?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Absolutely, yes. In the Minister’s brief he at some point said the department was looking at rolling out one of the ISO standards. The ISO standard that I wrote down was 31000. Reading the department objective it mentioned an internationally recognised standard of care as one of the objectives . …
The Chairman Chairman Are you able to answer that question, Minister? Hon. Jason Hayward: Yes, that is what is referred to. But I would also state that offices would have received Institute of Leadership Management training and customer service as well, which is an international stan dard. So, it is not the only …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I thank the Honourable Minister. As it relates to the statement, the Minister’s brief, where ISO 31000 was raised, can the Honour able Minister speak to the pl an for implementing that in the department?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, the Member can proceed with his questions.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Member, would you like to ask another question?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My next — Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, just to answer the question on that one, I just looked at the wording in the statement and it said that it was being researched for consideration. So, I do not think a decision for implementation is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My next ques tion relates to the subjective anal ysis of current account estimates on page B -185, specifically the column 2021/22 revised, where we see a recorded spend of some $688,000 under professional services. Would the Honourable Minister be able to clarify what t …
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Madam Chairman, a follow - up question there is, Given that see under professional services that the requested amount of money for the 2022/23 estimate on the subjective analysis of current account estimates for professional services goes down to $150,000, my question would be, have those staff been transitioned anywhere …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: We did secure funding for the additional staff members. I need to c onfirm exactly where they are, but just based on looking at the num-bers, looking at the revised category versus the est imated category, I think they are now featured under salaries rather than …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, thank you Honourable Mini ster. I am just checking my research to make sure the next question is relevant. Yes, so, Madam Chai rman, thank you so much. I am on page B -186 under full-time equivalents. My question relates to the full - time …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: So, the additional represent six potential full -time equivalents put together with the 34. So we are actually budgeting for the full -time equivalents in the event that we can fill those posts. We have temporary additional against those posts. But, we had to pay for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I thank the Honourable Minister. My next question is on page B -187. This question relates to the structure of the department, again the two not mapping neatly . I note that this department has potentially some 40 persons. And at $52.9 million it …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Can the Honourable Member repeat that?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Sure. Madam Chairman, my question is . . . this r equest is for $5 2.9 million, which we use 40 staff, 40 full-time equivalents. It forms 72 per cent of the expenditure of this Ministry. Why is there only four performance measurements given how important this head is?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: It is very difficult to have har dship measurements. So, if you were to have measurements, such as, you want to increase the number of persons on financial assistance, I do not think of that as an aspirational measurement. But then if you have one [measurement] …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Before you ask your next question, Member, we have 15 minutes remaining in the debate. Member, you may — Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Is that the Minister? Hon. Jason Hayward: Yes. The question was asked regarding statistics and data quality assessments and what that actually is. The components of data quality assessments for the National Accounts are the following : Assurance of integrity elements and dimensions of quality are as follows: institutional integrity; …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, thank you Honourable Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The second clarification as well is . . . I just want to clear it up. The Household Expenditure Survey . . . but the metrics in the book do not speak to household expenditure, it speaks to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson No, thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Madam Chairman, I am ready to put my next question forward.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. So, I am on Head 55, Financial Assistance, still on page B -187. I just want to make a note that I do not think I differ from the Minister in the importance of this. One of the points he made about the social safety …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, pensioners are those persons over the age of 65. Disabled would be persons who are medically determined to be dis abled. The other three categories which we have outlined would be low -income earner. Now, these are persons who have earnings but are what …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, thank you Honourable Minister. As it relates to speaking about the ablebodied unemployed segment, for those needing assi stance, we have a personal employment plan, and you did speak to a psychological component. I note that the Financial Assistance Department has some 40 people, and …
The Chairman Chairman Let me just add that we are in the last five minutes of the debate. Minister, please continue. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I will get clarity on that. Like the other departments one client may transcend multiple areas within a department. So, I am quite sure that this is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, for the notice that we are on five minutes. I ho nestly did not think we would take this long. I still have a lot of questions, but let’s go over to the Workforce Development, because I think that is also quite a cr ucial …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Jari on Richardson Thank you Madam Chai rman, I am sure I am out of time, or have one minute or something like that.
The Chairman Chairman According to my time you have two minutes . . . two and a half.
Mr. Jarion Richardson What can I do in two and a half minutes? I would note Madam Chairman, and Honourable Minister, that we have on page C-19, Schedule 1, grants and contributions, that we are seeing an increased request for scholarships and under apprenticeship scheme, which is 7095, we are seeing requests for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Being that that was not a question, Minister, you might want to take a minute to make a closing statement and ask that your heads be moved and approved. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I just want to clarify that while we did budget that amount for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, if I may, I would like to move Heads 44, 14, 27, 60 and 55. 768 11 March 2022 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: It has been moved that Heads for Economy and Labour, Heads 44, 14, 27, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, thank you. I now call on the Minister of Finance . . . is the Minister of Finance available? [No audible reply]
The Chairman Chairman If the Minister of Finance is not avai lable . . . Minister, I ask that you move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, I will yield to Honourable Minister Hayward.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you do that for me please? Hon. Jason Hayward: Madam Chairman, I move that the Committee rise and report progress.
The Chairman Chairman And ask for leave to sit again. Hon. Jason Hayward: And I ask for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you, Minister. Is that approved, Members? It is approved. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress and sought leave to sit again.]
The Chairman Chairman I now call on the Speaker of the House. House resumed at 7: 45 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF CO MMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE 2022/23
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Members. There has been a full debate today. The Committee has asked to rise [and report progress] and sit again, and that has been accepted. We are now moving on to the next Order on the Order Paper, which is Order No. 2, which is the second reading …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the Bill ent itled Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 be now read a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none, continue Minister. BILL SECOND READING MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I intr oduce the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment Act 2022. This Bill seeks to amend the Municipalities Act 1923 to provide for the next ordinary municipal elections for the Mayor and Councillors of the Corporations of Hamilton and St. George’s to be postponed for a year and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Only to basically say that we have heard the explanation. This has been a topical issue for some time now. We certainly have been looking with interest at how things will pan out as it pertains to the ruling of the courts as we move forward. We anticipated that maybe …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker, just following on with regard to the matter which is before the courts as it pertains to Hamilton. I declare my interest, Mr. Speaker. I am a Member of Parli ament for St. George’s. In additi on to having the cup in this upcoming year, we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at t his time? There are none?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Foggo.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, very briefly. Mr. Speaker, I will definitely focus my comments to the area of St. George’s. I am a born and bred St. Georgian. Indeed, I am someone who is from the absolute best part of the Island.
The Speaker The Speaker We may have to debate that.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, we have seen the years gone by, the way in which the municipality did operate. Some would argue that there was gerrymandering in such a way that disadvantaged certain groups of people. Mr. Speaker, in terms of reform, I do not think there is a Member in this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Renee Ming: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Everybody out of St. George’s tonight . Minister, you have the microphone. Hon. Renee Ming: Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I would like to echo the sentiments of the persons who spoke before me, and that would be all persons because they were all St. Georgians. …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you just —
The Speaker The Speaker You just lost yourself, Minister. You should be truthful when you approach the microphone, Minister. The cup is in the west. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker The cup is in the west and it will remain in the west.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, you shouldn’t blaspheme either!
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker, I would just like to add a very brief comment to this piece of legislation. The Municipalities Act is an Act of 1923. And we are now in 2022. So imagine that. Next year when we come to review the legislation and even …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Mini ster. Does anyone else wish to make a contribution at this time? Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister has moved that the Bill be now committed. Deputy Speaker . . . you have the House House in Committee at 8: 03 pm Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 771 Bermuda House of Assembly [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT ACT …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 . Minister Burch, so good to see you. You have the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. As stated previously, this Bill would amend the Municipalities Act 1923 (the principal Act) to pr ovide for the next ordinary municipal elections for the Mayor and Councillors of the Corporations of Hamilton and St. George’s to be held in 2023, not 2022. I therefore …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Burch. Are there any further speakers?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. Just a question on clause [2]. I am just curious . . . when we say held in 2023, it does not give a sp ecific date. Is [it] intentional that the date will be antic ipated to be set, or . . . I am just unclear …
Lt. Col. Hon. Dav id A. Burch The elections are always in May.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. That’s a policy, not part of an Act, right?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister Burch, do you want to move the clauses?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 and 2 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 and 2 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 and 2 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the pr eamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
The Chairman Chairman The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Mr. Speaker. House resu med at 8:06 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT ACT 2022
The Speaker The Speaker Members are there any objections to the Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 being repor ted to the House as printed? There are none. It has been reported as printed. Thank you, Members. We now move on to item 3, which is the second reading of the Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I introduce the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act 2022. The Bill amends the Municipalities Act 1923 to provide for the appointment of parking enforcement officers (PEOs) by the Governor for the purpose of enforcing the law with respect to parking offences on the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I was looking for a little more information from the Minister as to exactly the mechanism, and how this i s to work. One of the questions I guess I had, and was answered, was that the money actually will be going [to] the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker, just referring to the Municipality of St. George’s in partic ular, one thing of note is that there is greater activity in St. George’s, particularly anyone would have seen it last summer, notwithstanding what we had to go through with COVID -19, White Horse, the activities that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? There are none. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To answer MP Cannonier’s questions, the receipts from the tickets going to the corporations is the way it is now with the Corporation of Hamil ton. This is already written into law so we are adding the Corporation of St. George’s to that same exercise to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Deputy [Speaker]. House in Committee at 8: 15 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2022 The Chai rman: Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. This Bill seeks to amend the Municipalities Act 1923 to provide for the appointment of parking enforcement officers by the Governor to the Corporation of Hamilton and the Corporation of St. George’s to enforce the law with respect to offences in connection with the parking …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you Honourable Minister. Are there a ny further speakers?
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, very much. I just wanted to move to clause 2, [new section 38A (2)(b)] where it says “Shall act under the direction of the Secretary of the Corporation of Hamilton in the City of Hamilton or under the direction of the Secretary of the Corporation of St. George’s …
The Chairman Chairman You need to get the answer. You’re speculating. Let the Minister answer.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes; I am looking for clarif ication on that.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. The short answer is no, there will be no collaboration. The parking enforcement officers will r eport to their respective corporations and are focused on parking enforcement. The traffic wardens come under the police service and will continue their duties, such as, directing traffic and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there a ny further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister Burch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 3 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the pr eamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act 2022 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
The Chairman Chairman The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 8: 23 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2022
The Speaker The Speaker Members are there any objections to the Bill being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported as printed. All other items on the Order Paper are being carried forward. This brings us to a close of the bus iness of today on the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you. Official Hansard Report 11 March 20 22 775 Bermuda House of Assembly SUSPENSION OF STAN DING 21
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move the third reading of the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 .
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Minister , proceed. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT ACT 2022
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 be now read a third time by its title only and be passed.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Municipalities Amendment Act 2022 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to do your second one, Minister ?
Lt. Col . Hon. David A. Burch Yes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING 21
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move the third reading of the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act 2022.
The Speaker The Speaker Are th ere any objections? There are none. Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2022
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the Bill entitled the Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act 2022 be now read a third time by its title only and be passed.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act 2022 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members, Ministers, ever yone for your participation today. We are now at the end of our Order Paper. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Monday , 14 March 2022 at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Premier has moved that the House do now adjourn until Monday at 10:00 am. Does any Member wish to speak to that ? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, if no one wishes to speak, I am happy to say a few words
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, you go right ahead. MPS SHOULD LEAD EFFORTS IN SHOWING MORE KINDNESS IN COMMUNITIES Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much. Mr. Speaker, my comments this evening will be brief. But my comments this evening note th at we certainly have had a week of a B …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Thank you, Members. As always, be safe. Stay well. And remember to reflect on the loved ones who are around you this weekend. Have a good weekend everyone. See you Monday morning at 10:00 am. The House now stands adjourned. [At 8:28 pm, the House stood …
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