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March 7, 2022

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Health Minister Kim Wilson presented the Ministry of Health's budget for the 2022/23 fiscal year, totaling approximately $73 million across four budget heads. The largest budget increase was for Ministry Headquarters, rising 69% to $15.9 million primarily due to continued COVID-19 response needs. Minister Wilson emphasized that the pandemic is not over and Bermuda must remain vigilant while also progressing toward universal health coverage through the Bermuda Health Plan.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 7, 2022
Session 2021/2022
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Speakers 13
Speeches 203

Key Topics

Ministry of Health budget presentation for 2022/23 fiscal yearCOVID-19 pandemic response funding and operationsUniversal health coverage initiative and Bermuda Health Plan developmentBermuda Health Council operations and health system regulationDepartment of Health programs including health promotion and wellness

Bills & Motions

Motion to resume Committee of Supply for consideration of 2022/23 budget estimates - passed
Ministry of Health budget Heads 21, 22, 24, and 91 taken under consideration for debate
This was the opening session of detailed budget debates, with Minister Wilson beginning her comprehensive presentation of health ministry spending priorities and programs.

Notable Moments

Minister Wilson reported over 11,000 COVID-19 cases and 123 deaths in Bermuda to date, with vaccination teams having administered over 125,000 doses
The government is spending approximately $30 million annually on dialysis for 200 patients, with kidney transplants potentially saving $700,000 per patient over 10 years
A minor discrepancy was noted between budget documents regarding SART (Sexual Assault Response Team) funding ($9,000 vs $10,000)

Debate Transcript

203 speeches from 13 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. It is now 10:00 am. We are just waiting for the Sergeant to come to the door and we will be starting. Sergeant -at-Arms: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Sergeant -at-Arms. Members, the House is now in session. We will start with the morning prayer. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Shernette Wolffe, Clerk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Clerk. Members, we are now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
The Speaker The Speaker The first Order on the Orders this morning is the Minutes from the last sitting, which was the 4th of March. Those minutes have been deferred for confirmation. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to make a contribution at this time? There are none. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. 544 7 March 202 2 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker That now leads us, Members, to the purpose for our sitting today, which is the actual start of the Budget Debate. For the listening audience, the last two weeks we have done the Budget presentation and the Budget Reply, which concluded with the open economic debate on Friday. Today we …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in Commit tee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2022/23.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. This morning is it MP Foggo ?
The Speaker The Speaker MP Foggo is in the Chair this morning. MP Foggo is one of the Members that sit on that panel of Chair men that I just referred to. And she will be chairing the first session this morning. So, the House is now going into Committee and it is in …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you and good morning to Members and good morning to the listening people of Bermuda. House in Committee at 10:0 7 am [Ms. Lovitt a F. Foggo, Chair man] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 202 2/23
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. The Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91 are now to be debated. And this is under the Ministry of Health. So, I, therefor e, call on said …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am here today with great pleasure to present the Budget for the Ministry of Health overall, starting with Head 21, the Ministry of Health Headquarters, found at pages 149 to 154 of the Budget Book. HEAD 21 —MINISTRY …
The Chairman Chairman Madam Clerk, would you please turn off your microphone. Madam Clerk, your microphone is on. Continue, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The transformation to universal health coverage through the Bermuda Health Plan is rooted in the organising principle of integrated care and will be delivered via …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. What is your point of clarification, if the Minister yields? Minister, are you? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Just on the number amounts, that is all.
The Chairman Chairman You are talking about the $10,000 versus $9,000? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Correct. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, at C -18 it quotes $9,000 as opposed to $10,000. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I will clarify that. That may very well be a typo, but I will clarify that during the course of the brief, Madam Chairman. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you very much. Hon. Kim N. …
The Chairman Chairman No, I am not asleep. It took forever before I turned on my microphone. An. Hon. Member: Whenever you talk about Somerset, Minister of Health, we are wide awake! Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, the 202 2/23 budget estimate for Lefroy House Care Commun ity is listed at cost …
The Chairman Chairman Madam Health Minister, can I get you to pause for one second ? I am going to have Mr. Pearman take the seat, but I just want to remind you, the House and the listening public that this debate will end at 4:37 pm. And Mr. Pearman, are you available …
Mr. Scott Pearman I am, Madam Chairman. Can you hear me? Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes, I can hear you. I cannot see you, that is the only problem.
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, right.
The Chairman Chairman Yeah.
Mr. Scott Pearman I can see me, but I guess if you cannot see me, that . . . let me fix that.
The Chairman Chairman I need to find out from other Members if they can see you. Members, are you able to see—
Mr. Scott Pearman Honourable Minister, can you see me? Hon. Kim N. Wil son: I can see you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I hand the Chair over to you MP Pearman. [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam Chairman. Honourable Members, we are in the Committee of Supply for further consideration to the Esti-mates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. This is a five- hour debate on the Ministry of Health, which will conclude today at 4:37 pm. And cur-rently addressing the House …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, is this a convenient place to pause? Or would you like to finish up thi s topic. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: This is a convenient place to pause, Mr. Chairman, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Members of the public, we are in the Committee of Supply dealing with the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. You have been listening to the Health debate led by the Minister of Health Kim Wilson. This debate lasts five hours and will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We will see you in Committee at 2:00 pm. Thank you all. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12:33 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:00 pm [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2022/23 MINISTRY OF HEALTH [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, and the listening public, we are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. At the moment, this is a five- hour debate on the Ministry of Health covering Heads 21, 22, and currently 24. We have [Head] …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Minister can I just stop you? What page? Did you say C -18? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Page C -18, Schedule 1, SART.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Line item 7088.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I represented in my Budget Brief, $10,000. The Budget Book says $9,000. The actual sum is in between, $9,450.
The Chairman Chairman I see, $9, 450 on line item 7088 at page C -18 of the Budget Book. Thank you, Minister, for that correction. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. And one more thing, again before I wrap up, is an issue from last week as it relates to the question of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are you able to tie in a particular page for that correction? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Page C -29.
The Chairman Chairman I am grateful to the Honourable Member. Page C -29, Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Schedule 5, p age C -29. That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman And can you just assist us with what number needs to change on that page? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: No number needs to be changed on that page. It is correct. I am just explaining the justification from the question that arose previously by members of the media i nsofar …
The Chairman Chairman I am grateful. Thank you, Minister. Honourable Member, and members of the listening public, we are in Committee of — Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, sorry, Mr. Chairman —
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go ahead, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I had a little insert before I concluded.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, please do. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: In closing, as you can see, the mandate of the Ministry of Health is wide ranging and expansive. We are lucky to benefit from the dedication and expertise of a broad range of health and business professionals whose commitment to public health is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Members, and members of the listening public, we are currently in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. This is a five- hour debate focusing on the Ministry of Health. We have just over two …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I can. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you. I would like to start by thanking the Minister for the bri ef that she provide d today. It certainly helped to answer a lot of questions. I will have some questions and comments along the way. 572 7 March 202 …
The Chairman Chairman You said B -14 . . . sorry — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will start with B -149, and then go to page B -150 and B -151. And I will keep you abreast of the pages as I move through hem.
The Chairman Chairman So this is Head 21, for those following in the Budget Book — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Ministry Headquarter.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -149, the Ministry of Health. Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I thought the Minister laid out her brief quite well, the only unfortunate thing about it was when we got to Head 22, the Department of Health, there was jumping back and forth. But I managed to …
The Chairman Chairman I am going to in tercede here for a moment, Honourable Shadow Minister. We are at page B -149 of the Budget Book for those following. And you are identifying the revenue numbers at Head 21 of the Budget Book at that page. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is correct. …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, in my view, those revenue numbers are–– and I believe that they are vastly [underestimated] because of the travel authorisation application that has to be paid for ––so Government drastically underestimat ed the $4.26 [million] and then we took in $4.1 [million] and they …
The Chairman Chairman Head 21? Hon. Michael H. Dunkl ey: Head 21, the Ministry Headquarters itself. Obviously it is perhaps the smallest part of the Ministry other than Head 91, in terms of employees with 18. But 39 additional staff were added to the Office of the Chief Medical Officer through COVID -19. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I want to take this opportunity while we look at those grants to commend the charities that receive grant funding, and also to commend those charities that do not receive grant funding who help in the healthcare area because now is the most critical time …
The Chairman Chairman This is on page C -18 of the Budget Book? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is correct. I recall during the Budget Debate last year that the Honourable Minister said the Bermuda Health Council would be given an extra $800,000. Well, the grant for this current financial year is $1 …
The Chairman Chairman Which is Budget Book page B -150. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Correct.
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Shadow Minister. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I listened very closely to the brief by the Minister earlier, and the comments in relation to the National Health Plan. Mr. Chairman, I have to say that my level of questioning and concern rises even more. Why do I say that? …
Mr. Chairman Some time ago when this National Health Plan was discussed before the 2020 election, there was discussion about models in the Caribbean. Is the Government still looking at models in the Caribbean? And if so, which ones? Another question for the Honourable Minister: There has been a lack of consultation …
Mr. Chairman . . . The Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am just scanning page B - 150 and —
The Chairman Chairman While you do so, I will pause you very quickly. Again, Honourable Members and the listening public, we are in the Committee of S upply. This is the debate over the budget for the Ministry of Health. We are dealing with four heads, Heads 22, 21, 24 and 91. Currently …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I am sure Government would love to get that money in the coffer. And the estimate for 2022/23 is $22 million. Well, Mr. Cha irman, I and colleagues have been on the record for some time stating that in the beginning the travel authorisation …
The Chairman Chairman While you do so, Honourable Shadow Minister, let me just remind the listening public that this is the Committee of Supply and we have further consideration of the Estimates and Revenue Expenditure for the years 2022/23. This is a five- hour debate on the Ministry of Health which is due …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, well, I will give you back the floor should you wish. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, I think heard someone else. Is that MP Hayward, Minister Hayward. Hon. Michael H. D unkley: Minister Hayward. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, I rise on a point of order just to seek your clarity on a matter.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go ahead. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Jason Hayward: Should the discussions and questions be limited to the revenue and expenditure estimates? Or are we also entertaining policy ques-tions as well? For example, mask mandates. I do not see how that ties in to the revenue and expenditures. Now, I …
The Chairman Chairman Well, I am grateful for the int ervention from the Minister. The Shadow Minister was discussing line item 8110, travel authorisation fee, on page B - 151 of the Budget Book. I think it is a fair point in terms of the mask mandates. So obviously, Honourable Shadow Minister, if …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sorry. [Crosstalk] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I thank the Honourable [Minister] for his interjection. Let’s put it this way then, Head 21 is the Office of the Chief Medical Officer. He gives advice to the Government and I would ask the Honourable Minister what is the advice of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Shadow Minister. If I could just pause you there, I think I see Mr. Tyrrell ready to take the baton. Is that correct, Mr. Tyrrell, MP Tyrrell?
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell That is correct, MP Pearman, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Grateful. Well, I will just close out by saying that we are in the midst of the Committee of Supply for Estimates and Revenues for the year 2022/23. And this is a focus of five hours on the Ministry of Heal th, concluding at 4:37. I will pass the chairmanship …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you again, MP Pearman. You have introduced [him] already so I will just refer back to the Shadow Minister Dunkley. You have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome to the Chair, first time in the debate.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is going to be a long two weeks.
The Chairman Chairman It is. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Head 22, Department of Health. I appreciate the brief by the Minister although I did say earlier that she has jumped around. To me th is is the engine room that is often forgotten. And the work that they do is very valuable. So …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just refer to page and the number again, ple ase. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Page B -157.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You will see right at the top line, salary.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It was budgeted [at] $19.548 million, revised $7.56 million and back to $20 million for this year. And so I want an understanding of that. Obviously, if you look at the Budget Book you will see that there were 14 less people. On the next …
The Chairman Chairman Is that page B -159? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It starts at page B -159 and it goes on for a number of pages. But if just go to the third column from the bottom, percentage of 5- yearold students who are overweight or obese, that just tells you itself …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Performance indicator there, Performance measure. Number of Westgate correctional inmate- physician consultat ions. It tells you that but then the next one, [percentage] of all inmates received in c orrectional institutions who rec eive an initial medical evaluation . It should be 100 per cent. …
The Chairman Chairman Hospitals, yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Hospitals, yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, let me start off by commending the hundreds of people who work in healthcare, and certainly at the hospital which is what we debate today. They provide a quality of care that we sh ould …
The Chairman Chairman Member, if I could interrupt you and just remind you to stick with the Budget Book page and hea dings, please. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Sure, Mr. Chairman, I am on page B -167 and talking about the allocation to the budget.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because if we do not allocate . . . and I will move on fairly quickly but I just have to make this point because there was a change a couple of years ago where there was a block grant given. And the incentive for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? Hearing none, I will turn it back to the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I thank the Honourable Member for his contributions in this very important debate. I appreciate his acknowledgement from …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: And as I indicated, during the submissions this was a question that was raised by the press. If I can just provide a general overv iew, but I would anticipate that the more fulsome details as it relates to the reporting of that particular entry …
The Chairman Chairman Day-to-day job, yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, yes. Thank you. However, there was an increase that was revised in 2022/23 due to the salary increases that will be used on the termination of austerity measures which you will recall [occur red] throughout the Government in 2021. Also, Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Understood. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Currently , Mr. Chairman, there was a question concerning the resources and the funding. There are currently 48 vacant and funded 588 7 March 202 2 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly posts under recruitment with respect to the Department of Health. The Department …
The Chairman Chairman Take your time. Take your time. I will just remind the listening public that we are coming toward the end of this five- hour debate on the Ministry of Health, Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91. We actually have about 22 minutes left. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other speakers? [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Is that [you], Shadow Minister? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Just a couple of questions.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: To the Honourable Minister, the question in regard to the overdraft facilities and the debt and any other loans that the hospital might currently have on its books. And also, is Government capping the grant in 2022/23 for the hospital? The Ch airman: Minister. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to the profit or loss of that one particular fiscal year, it was $1.3 million. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Which year was that, Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The last fiscal year. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you are muted. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: She is buffering too. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: [It is] 2021. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And what was that amount again? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: [It is] $1 .3 million. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: And then with …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I was going to remind the Shadow Minister to come through the Chair, but go ahead Minister . You can answer the question. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Mr. Chairman, to answer the question with respect to any other debts that the hospital has, that will be released in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other speakers? We have six minutes left. If not, I will ask the Minister to move her heads. Does any other person wish to speak? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am still looking, but do not wait on me.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, it looks as if we can move ahead with moving your heads, please. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: One last question for the Honourable Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, MP Dunkley. Hon. Micha el H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the sugar tax, has Government measured any benefit from the sugar tax and how much has gone toward health education or health programmes?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman, that is not a line item in the budget. That was actually discussed previously. It is not a line item in the budget; however, I will repeat the position that was stated when it was a line item as it relates to …
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Never mind, Mr. Chairman, I should wait for your direction. I apologise.
The Chairman Chairman Well, let me just ask one last time. Does any other Member wish to speak? It does not appear. Minister, please, go ahead. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Members, the Minister has moved Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91. Is there any objection to that? There appears to be no objection. It will be reported to the House, Minister. Thank you all. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Health, Heads, 21, 22, 24 and 91, were approved and stand …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now going to move to the next Ministry, and we will move again to Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Estimates of the 2022/23 and the next Head is Economic Development. I call on the Minister. MINISTRY OF ECONOMY AND LABOUR HEAD 94 —ECONOMIC …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, if I could jus t pause you there for the benefit of the listening public as well. Just to remind persons that we are in the Committee of the whole with further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022/23. We are debating Head 94, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can I ask you to pause? I am about to be replaced. So I am just reminding the listening audience that we are debating Head 94, Economic Development. I will now hand it over to Deputy Speaker Burgess. [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Tyrrell. Minister Hayward, you may continue. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman. vi. Southeast Hamilton EEZ Extension—The MSME Unit of BEDC has been working to gauge the feasibility of extending the Northeast Economic Empowerment Zone to businesses bounded by Victoria Street to the north, King Street to the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers in reply to the Minister’s Statement?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Mr. Chairman, if you please. MP Richardson.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I thank the Honourable Minister for presenting a thorough brief as it relates to Head 94 on the Economic Development Department, its activities, structure and its grants to both the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation and the Bermuda Business Development Agency. To that end, Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Whatever is comfortable with you. I am sure the Minister will accommodate you also.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Perfect. Thank you. And again, I thank the Honourable Minister. To that end, Mr. Chairman, I note that the department objectives to facilitate and create and implement policies to support the Economic Recovery Plan. I suppose the first step is to make sure that the Minister gets his due as …
Mr. Chairman. Hon. Jason Hayward Mr. Chairman, you are on mute.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I’m sorry. Thank you. Would you like to respond to that Minister? Hon. Jason Hayward: Certainly. I thank the Member for his questions, Mr. Chairman. As he stated, there are five main departmental objectives. The first will be facilitate, create, and im-plement policies to support the Economic Recovery Plan. …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Chairman, that did cover those questions. I am happy to move from page B -194 onto my questions for page B -195.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, MP Richardson.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. I note, Mr. Chairman, that under page B -195 under general summary for expenditur es, that we have no expenditures under concierge and engage-ment, business unit 9405. And this goes to my question with the Minister earlier as it relates to structure …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. [These] are a little bit more specific. I note under subjective analysis of current account estimates on page B -195, we are seeing object code . . . we are seeing descriptions for expenses including salaries, training, travel, communications, advertising and promotion, professional services, rentals, repair and maintenance, …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Under the descri ption advertising and promotions we are seeing a requested spend of $270,000. Given that we have the Bermuda Business Development Agency and the BEDC, who undoubtedly have their own budgets and line items for advertising and promotions, can the Minister speak to how we got to the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Thank you. Mr. Chai rman, I want to go back to the previous question that was asked regarding the department and the teams within the department and how [many] individuals are on Bermuda House of Assembly each team. So there are 11 full -time employees [FTEs] …
The Chairman Chairman No funds. Hon. Jason Hayward: No funds associated with that. I will seek clarity for that, but it could be one of two things. For example, if you look at the FinTech unit, the FinTech unit, the employee that is under the FinTech unit is actually seconded. And so at …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: —would be, and also the advertising fees that are required. But what I would say is outside of just external advertising, we have internal advertising the EDD is responsible for. So, for example, when you have local initiatives whether i t be on cybersecurity, whether it …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. MP Richardson, you can continue. Mr. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. So, moving on to page B -196 as it relates to Head 94, for the revenue summary. I did ask this earlier and I think it is coming with the last batc h …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Jason Hayward: The revenue associated with that particular item will be captured under the Department of Immigration as the . . . those are permanent resident certificates applications that will be granted and the revenue will be associated with that cost centre as that is the way in …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Honourable Minister. I would just say from my experience, I hope he gets credit because I would hate to raise money and not get it in my performance appraisal. But, okay, so the question here, Mr. Chairman, revenue summary, we see under business …
The Chairman Chairman As soon as the Minister get them here, he will let you know.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Okay. Hon. Jason Hayw ard: Mr. Chairman, I am in a position to answer the—
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: —questions as it pertains to page B -196 that were just asked. I am still awaiting the answers from the other areas.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Jason Hayward: When you look at the land acquisition fees, what we would have done is we would have underbudgeted in 2021/22. I think what happened during the pandemic was somewhat a phenomenon where even the real estate market did not even know how well the performance of …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Mr. Pearman . . . I’m sorry, Mr. Richardson. [Laughter]
Mr. Jarion Richardson Much can be said of that, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Well, you know how it goes, sir.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, one other question.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: The Honourable Member did ask a question about my responsibility as it pertains to e-commerce.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Jason Hayward: So I just wanted to make it clear that the Electronic Transactions Act does fall underneath the responsibilities of the Ministry of Economy and Labour.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Minister. Mr. Richardson, continue.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Honourable Minister. My questions now move on to page B -197 which we spoke about in general before as it related to the objectives outlined on page B -194. I want to ask a bit more specific questions. Especially giv en, Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Before you answer, Minister, MP Foggo is going to take the Chair for about five minutes for me. I just got to do something. [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I have it, Mr. Chairman, thank you. Continue, Member Jarion Richardson, please.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chairman. Last year I butchered your title, so let’s hope I can get it better this year. Yes, I was asking the Honourable Minister if he could define, under the performance measurements, on page B -197, what i s meant by new business partnerships, what is meant …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Thank you. I think that the five is actually a target to achieve. And so let me just give a practical example of a stakeholder or research engagement initiative. For example, the Government would have had in its Throne Speech that it …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Madam Chairman, may I continue?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You know what? I had my microphone off, so I thought I was telling you, Member, are there any other questions? Please continue, Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just so you know, your camera is not on, so we wouldn’t be able to say, Oh, you are muted. Just so you know.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I saw you would be talking, and that is why I just jumped in and spoke.
Mr. Jari on Richardson Got it. Thank you, Madam Chairman. And I thank the Honourable Minister for his answers. 606 7 March 202 2 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mindful that we are still waiting on questions on page B -195, for subjective analysis of current account estimates . And the next …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I do have some answers for the questions he asked and that may enable him to structure his supplementary questions a bit better.
The Chairman Chairman Sure. Member, will you yield to the Minister so he can give you some more answers?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Absolutely. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Minister, continue. Hon. Jason Hayward: So, page B -195, as it pertains to advertising. The advertising consists of the annua l tech events which I just spoke about earlier. Also, ad-vertising of promotion, this [includes] membership to overseas articles and local and international publica-tions. And so to get into …
The Chairman Chairman Member, is there any further from you?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Madam Chairman. Not a question, but with any luck a valuable critique. I suppose that will be determined by the Hon-ourable Minister. The $270,000 on advertising, certainly the local advertising is understandable, but the overseas advertising (again, just my contribution) strikes me as an overlap with the BDA. So …
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. I have spoken before that we have the consultant who will be providing the project management office and at the same time this department will coordinate and monitor the Economic Recovery Plan. Honourable Minister, as it relates to the spend of $259,000, how will this work in practice …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Jaso n Hayward: They are actually two separate functions. Before KPMG was actually engaged, what we would have actually done was work as it pertains to the Economic Recovery Plan blueprint. That Economic Recovery Plan blueprint had a number of distinctly differ ent functions …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, MP Burgess will now resume his seat. Gentlemen, you may continue.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Hon-ourable Minister. [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman]
Mr. Jarion Richardson Would the Honourable Minister . . . my questions are moving on the grant on page C-19. So I do not w ant to take us away if anyone else has a question as it relates to pages B -194 through B - 197. Mr. Chairman, my intention is to …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. They can come after you. You are the Shadow, so we would like to hear you first.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, sir. The Honourable Minister gave a detailed brief as it related to the Bermuda Business Development Agency and the BEDC operat ional grant, on page C - 19. And I have some questions as it relates to the BEDC, business unit 7000. I note, or rather it is …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go ahead. I am sorry for that. Hon. Jason Hayward: Okay. I think we have a common desire to see that the audited financial statements of any government quango is produced in a timely manner. That should not prevent that quango from receiving additional funds. At this point there …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Richardson.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. 608 7 March 202 2 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly My contribution on that point is I definitely agree that the good works . . . well, what I am saying is, we are on the same page. The good …
The Chairman Chairman Well, let me say this here, Mr. Richardson. That is not a requirement. When we come to do budget, there are many Ministries that have not had an audit. That does not stop them from getting the funds. So it common practice in government that audits are late.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for that. Like I said, I am new to the government appa-ratus, so I do want to make sure I am learning. My contribution would also add that when I went to look up the BEDC, not the audited financial statements, but I went to look …
The Chairman Chairman That is another meeting. You have the audit committee within Parliament.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Jarion Richardson The Honourable Minister, again, going back to [business unit] 7000, BEDC op-erational grant, I do have questions. There are within the ERP, which does fall under the Head 94 oversight responsibility, the BEDC are [INAUDIBLE ] own certain initiatives, including creating an online small to medi-um enterprise marketplace, construct residential …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. The Honourable Minister mentioned that capital works for EZZ, he mentioned for uptown authority, but the funds that have been mentioned is . . . Honourable Minister, I am looking for your clarification on this. We set aside $3.2 million for major ca pital projects and ERP, and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Jason Hayward: I have been advised that the 2020/21 annual report should be completed by the end of May 2022.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: I have also been advised that work is being undertaken to cat ch up on the orders.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Those are all the questions that I have . . . sorry. One more.
Mr. Jarion Richardson I won’t let you go, Honourable Minister. You had mentioned a couple points in your ministerial brief on the budget that I just want to— [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Richardson.
Mr. Jarion Richardson That you had mentioned but I did not see anywhere in the Budget Book, so I was wondering what are they and how are we going to pay for them? Bermuda House of Assembly You had mentioned under the FinTech business unit, which is 9405, that we are developing or …
The Chairman Chairman Well, I prefer you stick with the Book. [Laughter]
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Chairman, I would like to but, yo u know, he mentioned something and I didn’t see it.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Well, you can ask the question, but everybody follows the Book.
Mr. Jarion Richardson I could ask the question, but I certainly do not want to be adversarial. It is sort of, Why i s that mentioned but not in the Book? Or something like that.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. That is a fair question for the Minister to answer. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Chairman, how the budget is actually laid out, I believe that the majority of the funding is captured under . . . either human resources or salaries. So the majority of the monies will be …
The Chairman Chairman Understood.
Mr. Richardson. Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Honourable Minister. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I would ask the Honourable Minister why in the performance measurements, 9403, 9404, 9405, there is no mention of the developing and education and training strategy plan, which was mentioned as it related to the business services division of Head …
The Chairman Chairman One second. Member De Silva, you microphone is on. Can you mute your microphone, MP De Silva? Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: So what I believe you may be looking for is that level of synergy between the two and it does not exist. So I cannot explain my …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Richardson, your microphone is muted.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Honourable Minister. And yes, just thank you for those responses. And my contribution and my critique is just that it goes back to that point of we are just not . . . there is some overlap here. It is probably due to …
The Chairman Chairman I am sure t he Minister will give you whatever information that you require. I am positive about that.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Honourable Minister. I have no further questions as it relates to Head 94. 610 7 March 202 2 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Are there any further speakers on Head 94? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 94 be approved as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Economy and Labour , Head 94, was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2022 …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Committee rise and report progress and ask to sit again. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 6:4 3 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 202 2/23
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Members. Members, the Committee has moved to rise and report progress . Any objections to that? There are none. That brings us to the . . . that was the only Order on the Order Paper that was to be done today. All other matters are being carried …
The Speaker The Speaker Members . . . is the Premier or Deputy Premier . . . would someone like to move the motion for adjournment? [No audible response.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Hayward, would you like to move the motion for adjournment. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Jason Hayward: I move that the House do now adjourn.
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister has moved that the House do now adjourn. Would any Member obj ect to that? No. Does any Member wish to speak to that? No Member wishes to speak to that. The House will stand adjourned now until Wednesday morning, 9 March, at 10:00 am. Members, we appreciate …
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