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House of Assembly Session 2020/2021 360 speeches

March 15, 2021

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Session Summary

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This was a routine parliamentary session focused mainly on budget discussions for the Ministry of Transport. Minister Tinee Furbert gave a statement recognizing Social Worker Month and highlighting the important role social workers play in Bermuda's community. Several MPs offered condolences for notable Bermudians who recently died, including former Auditor General Heather Jacobs Matthews, former Cabinet Secretary Kenneth Richardson, and entertainer Kenny Bean. The main business was Minister Lawrence Scott presenting his ministry's budget of $55.1 million, covering airport operations, ferry services, and transport regulation.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 15, 2021
Session 2020/2021
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Speakers 16
Speeches 360

Key Topics

Recognition of Social Worker Month and World Social Work Day (March 16th)Condolences for several prominent Bermudians who recently passed awayMinistry of Transport budget presentation covering airports, marine services, and public transportationIntroduction of three new bills related to customs duty, tariffs, and payroll tax

Bills & Motions

Retail Shops (Temporary Customs Duty Relief for Capital Investments) Amendment Act 2021 - first reading
Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2021 - first reading
Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2021 - first reading
House moved into Committee of Supply to consider Ministry of Transport budget estimates

Notable Moments

Minister Wayne Furbert announced the passing of former Auditor General Heather Jacobs Matthews during the session, with multiple MPs praising her leadership and integrity
Recognition of 12-year-old Bermudian golfer Oliver Betschart who shot a 73 in Texas and finished third in a junior tournament
Discussion of challenges facing the cruise ship industry due to COVID-19, with only 75 ship calls projected for 2021 compared to normal years

Debate Transcript

360 speeches from 16 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. We now are gathered this morning for today’s session. Ms. Beale, will you start us off in prayer ? PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Kara Beale, Assistant Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. We are now in session for today’s sitting. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes of the 10th of March have been deferred, as well as the Minutes of the 12th of March. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMM UNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are no ne. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Statement this morning, in the name of the Minister for Social Development and Seniors. Minister Furbert, would you like to present your Statement at this time? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. SOCIAL WORKER MONTH 2021 Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognise that not only is Mar ch Social Work er Month , but tomorrow, the 16th of March, is recogni sed around the world as World Social Work Day. This year the International Federation of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. That is the only Statement for this morning. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker There are no written questions this morning. And there have been— there is one question. There is one question this morning for your Stat ement, Minister. And that question is from the Member from constituency 20. Honourable Member Jackson, would you like to put your question now? QUESTION 1: SOCIAL …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Honourable Minister please provide the total number of caseworkers, social workers that we have on Island right now? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, MP Jackson. I do not have that number, the total number of social workers on Island. Our social workers are …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No second question? Okay. Thank you, Members. That brings us to a close of the Question Period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member care to participate at this time?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Mr. Speaker. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This is Wayne Furbert. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring condolences to the family of Kenny Bean, to his wife Kathleen Bean and his son Kevin Bean. Kenny Bean is well known for being involved in entertainment during his early years. Kenny …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I hear your voice; I am trying to catch your voice.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Foggo, you have your t hree minutes.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks around Mr. Kenny Bean, a well - known entertainer. He will be a major loss to his fam ily, all of his children and to his extended family. And by that I mean the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Yes, Mr. Opposition Leader. Come and get your three minutes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simon s: Yes. I would like to assoc iate myself with the remarks currently made in regard to the former Auditor General, Ms. Heather Jacobs …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. It has been done, but you can connect yourself to the condolences. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. I first met Mr. Ric hardson at Sandys Secondary School. He was a science teacher. And he was always a gentleman, always willing to listen. And he lived with a sense …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Sp eaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I see Mr. Swan. I see you in front of the camera there. 880 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Yes. That is me, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Mr. Swan, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences going out to entertainer Kenny Bean’s family and the family of Ms. Heather Jacobs Matthews on her passing, for her great contribution to Bermuda. And also [I want to be associated with co ndolences to] …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you have the floor. You have your three minutes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the condolences for the family of Ms. Heather Jacobs Matthews. I knew her quite well, and the family is well known to us …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Mem ber. [Crosstalk ] Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? No other Member. Then before we move on, I would just like to add my words to some of the condolences …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker I believe we have three Bills to be i ntroduced this morning. All three are in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister of Finance. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Minister. Would you like to introduce your Bills at this time? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes, please.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. FIRST READING S RETAIL SHOPS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENTS) AMENDMENT ACT 2021 CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2021 PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2021 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bills, which according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. There are no other Bills to be introduced this morning. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Again , for the members of the public who are listening, we are continuing in the annual Budget Debate. Today is day four. And as it has been said before, there are a total of 56 hours that are put aside for the debate, with eight hours each day. So …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections to that. Chairman Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I bow to you, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker I am out until you are complete, until the session is completed.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. House in Committee at 10:28 am [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Members and the listening audience. We are here to consider the Ministry of Transport and the revenues, expenditure and i ncome, Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35. Minister Lawrence Scott, the Honourable Mi nister, you have the floor. MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Good morning, Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 be considered. Are there a ny objections? There are no objections, Minister, continue. HEAD 48 —MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT HEADQUARTERS Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, today I am presenting the budget for t he Ministry of Transport Headquarters, Head …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. HEAD 30 —MARINE AND PORTS SERVICES Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: As stated on page B -202 of the Budget Book, the mission of the Department of Marine and Ports Services is the regulation and safe operations of Bermuda’s maritime affairs including marine border security, search and rescue, …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. HEAD 34 —TRANSPORT CONTROL DEPARTMENT Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, the budget for Head 34, the Transport Control Department (TCD), can be found on pages B -208 through B -211 of the Budget Book. The Transport Control Department’s mission is to assure the safety of all …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on. HEAD 35 —DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, I would like to present the budget f or Head 35, the Department of Public Transportation, found on pages B -212 through B-215 of the Budget Book. The Public Transportation Department’s mission is moving Bermuda with …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You were just a few minutes under an hour. The debate started at 10:27 and will conclude at 3:57, provided that we start promptly at 2:00 pm after the 12:30 lunch interval. Does any other Member care to speak?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MP Pearman.
The Chairman Chairman The chair acknowledges the Shadow Minister, the Honourable and Learned Member Pearman. Y ou have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thanks to the Minister for his very detailed present ation of the four relevant heads that touch on the Mini stry of Transportation, being the Transport Headquarters; Marine and Ports; TCD; and the Public Transpor-tation System more broadly, which includes of course the very important …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, I believe that is something the Minister would have to . . .
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I mean I am in the Mini ster’s hands. That is what I propose to do.
The Chairman Chairman Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman I do not want to jump around. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would prefer if we just got all questions to all Heads so that I can just answer all of the questions all at once.
Mr. Scott Pearman Okay. Well, Mr. Chairman, I am happy to proceed on that basis. Nonetheless, I will do it head by head to try to assist the listening audience so that we are not jumping around from TCD to ferries to buses, et cetera. So at the moment, my observ ations and …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Just a point of clarification. I can help you out there.
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, I am grateful.
The Chairman Chairman Tourism has moved out of there. So a lot of what you are saying relates to Tourism that is no longer a part of that. So I just wanted to make sure that you factored that in.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, I am grateful for the intervention and clarification. It may well be that that was related to BTA. And one can easily (or far more easily) understand why people in Tourism - related roles would need to travel. I fully accept that. It is not a criticism; it …
Mr. Scott Pearman I will yield, Mr. Chairman. POINT OF INFORMATION Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes. I just wanted to let the Shadow Minister know that anything to do with tourism, hotels or anything like is no longer under Transport. It is all under the Cabinet Office.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I am aware of that. Thanks. So you probably answered my next question, which is why are we going to the zero figure? And I think, Mi nister, would the answer be because those licences are now shifted to Cabinet Office? [Pause] Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Well, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Shadow Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman Sorry. I did not hear an answer. Was one coming? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: We will answer all of the questions at the end.
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, yes. Okay. No problem. I am happy to soldier on. Thank you, Minister. Turning over the page to B -200, we are still under Head 48 and this is now the employee numbers. And this was a question that I posed in respect of the business unit Regulatory and …
Mr. Scott Pea rman You lost me there for a second. We see a reduction in headcount.
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, I think your Internet was a little off for a minute.
Mr. Scott Pearman Did you lose me?
The Chairman Chairman Just for a few seconds. You might want to repeat what you said. 896 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: I will repeat it. I am grateful, Mr. Chairman. So what I was observing was, I was at page B-200. And the third …
The Chairman Chairman We are considering the Transport Heads 48, 30, 34, 35. And this debate ends at 3:57 pm. We break for lunch at 12:30 and return at two o’clock. The Shadow Minister, Member Pearman, has the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for that opportunity. Those are my preliminary questions on the first of our four heads, Head 48—Ministry of Transpor t Headquarters. And I would now propose to move on to questions on the second of the four heads, which is Marine and Ports.
The Chairman Chairman And, Shadow Minister, for edification, at the conclusion of our four Heads any other Member has the opportunity to speak before the Minister comes back.
Mr. Scott Pearman Absolutely. I am sure that there may be questions not only from our side, but some questions for the Minister from the Government side. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are now moving on to the second of the four Heads, which is Head 30—Marine and Ports. And this is at …
The Chairman Chairman We are considering the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for, at present on Head 30—Marine and Ports, but in total Heads, 48, 30, 34 and 35. Four hours are allotted for this debate. The Shadow Minister has the floor. We will break for lunch at 12:30. It is 12:15 presently. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, when we paused we were o n page B -202 under Head 30—Marine and Ports, and I was in the Department Objectives box. And I was just moving from the Transport Infrastructure Capital Spend Plan and the questions that I have already posed on …
The Chairman Chairman The Chairman is here. 898 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Oh, okay. I cannot see you any more, Mr. Chairman. But as long as you can hear me and I can hear you, I suppose that is fine. Shall I continue?
The Chairman Chairman My screen is up.
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh! I see you again. I am sorry. I had the Minister, but I had lost you for some reason.
Mr. Scott Pearman Okay. Good. I will continue, with your leave, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I have two devi ces just in case one goes out.
Mr. Scott Pearman I see. I see. Good. Well, I can see you again. Mr. Chairman, I was at page B -202. I was in the General Summary box at the bottom on the left. And I was under heading 3006 —the West End Doc kyard. And my fir st question arises from …
Mr. Scott Pearman And the question that I have here is if you look at again 40040—Navigational Aids, [if] you look at the expenditure from two years ago, [then] you look at this, the budget increased from last year. You look at the decrease from $751[,000] down to $541[,000], now this is entirely …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, I am at 12:28.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am in your hands. I am happy to break now.
The Chairman Chairman So if I can call the [Premier], by the time the [Premier] comes in we will be at 12:30.
Mr. Scott Pearman There we go. Thank y ou, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Premier. Or is there a Minister available prepared to take us to lunch?
Mr. Scott Pearman Minister Scott, you are on mute. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee break for lunch and return at 2: 00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We will break for lunch and return at 2:00 pm. Proceedings suspended at 12:30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:01 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22 MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT [Continuation of Committee thereo n]
The Chairman Chairman We are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22 under the Ministry of Transport, Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35. Any further speakers? Are there any further speakers?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you very much. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, and my thanks to MP Kim Swan for chairing the initial part of this debate. Before we broke for lunch, Mr. Chairman, we were on the second of our four heads, Heads 30 M arine and Ports, and we were up in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, sir.
Mr. Scott Pearman —and we were talki ng about Dockyard Maintenance and then I posed some questions on the National Health Emergency, 40997. And while we are up in Dockyard, a further question is, I know that there had been a plan to move the Marine and Ports Maintenance area closer to Cross …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman The next topic on the order is, again, we are [page] B -202, we are in the Current A ccount Estimates General Summary box at the bottom and moving now to the Ferry Service. If you look at the Fer ry Service, two years ago we had actuals of $7.3 …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Pearman . . . Honourable Member?
The Chairman Chairman You keep going back to two years ago. We are debating this year’s budget. If you should compare, you should com pare to last year, not two years ago. This Minister was not in that position two years ago. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Mr. Chairman, this Government …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Pearman, continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. So, we have seen an actual figure and then we have seen last year’s reduction, we see that it actually went down further. But then what we s ee for the budgeted year is $571,000 for Professional Services. So, it is an increase of about $80,000 to $90,000 …
Mr. Scott Pearman Shall I pause, Mr. Chairman? [No audible response]
Mr. Scott Pearman I will c ontinue. Then turning, again, still under Head 30, Marine & Ports, still at page B -203, just going down to the Revenue Summary, two items . . . well, three items coming up from here. One is the Boat Charter number, which is line item 8171, Boats …
The Chairman Chairman What business unit are you speaking on, Mr. Pearman?
Mr. Scott Pearman I am at [page] B -208 and I am under Head 34 of the Transport Control Department, and I am in the General Summary of the Current A ccount Estimates.
Mr. Scott Pearman And the Minister, in his brief, has announced that we are getting new buses. And so, I would like to know a little bit more, Mr. Chairman, about how many — Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: The new buses do not come under the Transport Control Department; they come under the Department of Public Transport. That is DPT, which is a different head. That would be Head 35 versus Head 34.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. 904 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Well, that is fine. I am happy to defer my questions on the buses until Head 35. Let me deal with the TCD while I am here, and I will just write “new buses” under …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Pearman, Honourable Member, you seem to be asking a question and trying to answer it. Why do you not let the Minister answer it when he is going to answer it?
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, Mr. Chairman, it is funny that you ask that. I had proposed at the outset of the debate to pose my questions and allow them to be answered —
The Chairman Chairman No, no, no. Mr. Scott Pearman: —but I was told to pose them all in this way, so I am just —
The Chairman Chairman Right. But what I am saying to you is that you are asking questions and then you are apparently giving yourself answers, you know, it appears this or it may be that . You [will] get the answers at the appropriate time.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I am grateful, Mr. Chai rman. But last I checked, this was the Opposition Party’s debate—
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Mr. Scott Pearman —so, I am entitled to ask.
The Chairman Chairman Last time I checked is what I said.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, am I understanding you to be stopping me from this line of inquiry because that would be very [I NAUDIBLE ]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Pearman, continue. Continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, thank you, I am grateful. So, we were at [page] B -208 and we were at line item 44040 Registration. And the question that I was posing w as why we had a decline in the budgeted estimate number of $772,000. So, that is a decline of some …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Pearman, with your analogy you say it is down, but no, it is up, when the Budget Book says it is down. I mean, you are confusing people li stening. I would prefer you go by the difference in the Budget Book, it is down $347,000.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, I think the people listening —
The Chairman Chairman [INAUDIBL E] what you are saying.
Mr. Scott Pearman I think the people listening know the difference between a budgeted item, which is speculative projection and an actual figure, which is the reality.
The Chairman Chairman But let us, let us quote the difference in what is in the Budget Book, not your figures.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am looking at the Budget Book, I am on—
Mr. Scott Pearman —I am on page B -208.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am on line item 44210 Admi nistration. The Chairm an: Right.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am actually looking at the 2020/21 revised number.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Mr. Scott Pearman: Right. And that is the actual — $1.440 [million] and then the estimate is $1.877 [mi llion].
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearm an So, would you agree with me that that number is going up against the actual of last year? An. Hon. Member: Point of information, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman No, no, no, Mr. Pearman. The original was $2,224,000. The comparison is —
Mr. Scott Pearman That was the budgeted sum.
The Chairman Chairman —the comparison is made between that and the estimate of 2021/22 and that is where you get that $347,000. That is the difference right there, not the revised. You are going by the revised.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, because—
The Chairman Chairman Because the revised, that is what is reflected in the difference column in the Budget Book.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, the revised r eflects the reality on the ground.
The Chairman Chairman I understand, but —
Mr. Scott Pearman But so, why should I compare with numbers that were just figures in the air?
The Chairman Chairman Well, the revised . . . as you probably know, the revised . . . anything can happen, like what happened last year. We had the pandemic.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, exactl y, exactly.
The Chairman Chairman And that is why the Department of Finance, when they do this budget, they compare the original with the estimate for this year, and that is where they get the $347,000.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I would respectfully —
The Chairman Chairman That is what is listed in the Book.
Mr. Scott Pearman As is the revised figure of $1.44 million, which was the reality on the ground. And Mr. Chairman, it is an interesting debate. I think most people would be more interested in comparing the budget against the reality than comparing the budget against a previous budget which was merely speculative. …
The Chairman Chairman You are entitled to give the proper information. In the Book it says it is down $347,000.
Mr. Scott Pearman Right. And I am comparing the revised figure of $1.44 million against the budget estimate of $1.87 million.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. So, again, the point I am making, which is perhaps an uncomfortable point for the Government, is why when we have a $22 million- odd budget cut to this Ministry are we seeing the cost of Administration going up? It is a legitimate question and i t is …
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am in the box on Subjecti ve Analysis of the Current Account Estimates.
Mr. Scott Pearman And the question I have in r espect of that line item is down on the Repair and Maintenance. Now, the Repair and Maintenance for 2019/20 actual was $176,000. The budget f or Repair and Maintenance was increased considerably for last year to $424,000, and in the event, it was …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman —which was $31,064,0 00—
Mr. Scott Pearman And we see that that is down now to the budgeted number for this budget cycle, down to $29,033,000. And the question I have for the Minister is, What is the explanation for the anticipated drop in revenue? He di d give one particular example, which was fewer permits to …
The Chairman Chairman What business unit are you at, Mr. Pearman?
Mr. Scott Pearman This is the Traffic Enforcement Section of the Transport Control Department, so the Traffic —
The Chairman Chairman [INAUDIBLE]
Mr. Scott Pearman —yes, exactly. Bermuda House of Assembly And the question is really one of principle. I know that there are some in the industry who want more 40- foot trucks, and they suggest it will bring down costs. I know that there are others in the indus-try who say that 40- …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, take me to the business unit, Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, it is the TCD Expenditure line item.
The Chairman Chairman What business unit?
Mr. Scott Pearman It is page B -208.
Mr. Scott Pearman And it is the General Expenditure for TCD in the bottom box.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And you will note in the differential, in the bracketed item to the right, there is a reduction of approximately $955,000, just under a million dollars down—
Mr. Scott Pearman —from last year’s budget. And I note, to be fair, that the actuals were less . . . the revised were less. And I also note it was closed for a significant period. So, I am just curious whether the Minister really does stand by his stat ement that the …
Mr. Scott Pearman If the reality on the ground was $4.4 million against a $5.4 million budgeted item, how realistic is $4.4 million again when we expect TCD to be open all year round and not closed due to COVID - 19? So, I would invite the Minister just to clarify if he …
The Chairman Chairman No, no, I would not mind if you stayed there all day, stay until 4:00.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I am enjoying the pleasure of your company as well.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes, indeed.
Mr. Scott Pearman The fourth and final Head under the Ministry of Transport is Head 35 Public Transportation.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And this is the big news . . . well, the ferries were big news, too, but this is the big news: The new buses. And it is h ere that I would, again, give the Mi nister an opportunity to crow, should he wish, to tell us a little …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member Mr. Pearman. Are there any further speakers? Any further questions? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman We have the Honourable Opposition Leader Cole Simons. Mr. Simons, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to pick up where the Honourable Member just finished.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And he was talki ng [about] the new buses.
The Chairman Chairman Uh-huh. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Line item] 45010, page B - 212 Bus Operations.
The Chairman Chairman B-12? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: He indicated that he is ge tting new buses.
The Chairman Chairman One second, Mr. Simons. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And my question is —
The Chairman Chairman Wait, no, you said B -12— Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —with these new buses, what type of warranties or guarantees do we have with these new buses? In addition, what type of trai ning are we having for the mec hanics who will help support …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, are you on C -14? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —because we do not want the buses to come to the Island—
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, Honourable Member — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —and not be properly mai ntained on a regularly scheduled—
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Mr. Simons — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —so we find ourselves in where we run the —
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, will you listen? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —if we have a proper maintenance schedule—
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, Mr. Simons! Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —I think the buses will go a long way in providing the needs of the community.
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: That carries me t o—
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons! Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —the strategies and prior ities of [the] Repair Servicing area.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, I am at item 45090 Repair Servicing.
The Chairman Chairman Umm. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —if the Minister can bas ically—
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —provide a summary of the strategies and priorities for the Repair —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —Servicing division —
The Chairman Chairman —Mr. Sim ons. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —because, again, this plays a vital role in— An. Hon. Member: Mr. Chairman, I think he has his — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —the sustainability of these buses.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons! Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: If he could speak to that as well.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons? Honourable Member Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, can you hear me? I have been trying to get your attention— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Was somebody trying to get me? The Cha irman: —for the last three minutes I have been trying to stop you to try to find out where you . . . …
The Chairman Chairman I have been hearing you all this time, but do you hear me? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Oh, I did not know that.
The Chairman Chairman Well, you have got to be able to li sten. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am straight now, I am straight now, I am straight now.
The Chairman Chairman Yeah, because you . . . it sounded like you said B -12? I do not know where you were talking about. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Page] B -212.
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -212. If we are talking about the buses, about the mechanics, I think you probably need to go to C-14. That is where the purchase of the buses will be, you know, where it is allocated in the Book under Capital Acquisitions. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, …
The Chairman Chairman I understand. No, we are clear, we are clear. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And so, my question b ecomes, what strategies and priorities does the Mini ster have for regular maintenance and repairs of our buses so that they are regularly serviced? And I do not know if you …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm, the Minister will answer that. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yep, and that we should have proper training.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Anything further, Mr. Simons? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, there are few other things, nothing to do with the buses.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Then I would lik e to go over to TCD and that is [page] B -208—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —and we are talking about Registration—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —44040. Can the Minister also tell us the total number of taxis that we have registered at this point in time, and the number of taxis that are not on the road? I think that would be vital in determining the state of affairs …
The Chairman Chairman Yep. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: The other question that I have is on the Ferries and that is [TCD] [line item] 44210 Administration.
The Chairman Chairman [Line item] 44210, all right. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister confirm whether we are up- to-date in regard to having whee lchairs and motorbikes use the ferries, as w as done in the past? I know at one point we suspended that service for handicapped, or physically …
The Chairman Chairman Yep. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: The other question that I would like to speak to is the Admin for Transportation.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: It was my understanding that the cruise ship line was contracting a new sponsorship to assist with the transport infrastructure. Where do we stand in those negotiations? I think that is all I have for now.
The Chairman Chairman That is all you have? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: For now.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Mr. Chairman?
Mr. Jarion Richa rdson MP Richardson.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Richardson, Honourable Member, continue.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the Honourable Minister for his present ation and brief. Do I address you as Mr. Deputy Speaker or Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. I had gotten that wrong. Mr. Chairman, I draw your attention to Head 48, specifically page B -198 in the Department Objectives.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jarion Richardson There is a second Depar tment Objective here that I would like to get some clar ity on. It says to Improve reliability of marine and landbased transport services through planned infrastructure upgrades.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jarion Richardson But, Mr. Chairman, when I go to page B -201 under Performance Measures, I do not actually see what that is referring to. Bermuda House of Assembly I believe, Mr. Chairman, it is referring to unit 58010, and I wanted to ask the Minister, specifically —
The Chairman Chairman What page is that Mr. Richardson?
Mr. J arion Richardson I am so sorry. So, page . . . that would be on page B -198 under Administration, there is a business unit 58010 called the Transport ation Planning Team.
Mr. Jarion Richardson They have an allocation of $139,000.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jarion Richardson And I am just trying to corr elate this planned infrastructure upgrade to actual funds and actual deliverables. And I am just having a hard time picking through that, so, I wanted to ask the Honourable Minister, is this the business unit that will be issuing this planned infrastructure upgrade? …
Mr. Jarion Richardson —but with the third Depar tment Objective, or priority objective, which is to t ransform transport fare media so that it is frictionless and cashless . I am assuming this is the ticket system for our transportation system. And with that being said, I would like the Mi nister to …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Chairman, moving on to Head 34 Transport Control Department, specifically I am on page —
The Chairman Chairman What page number?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, sir. I am on page B-210.
Mr. Jarion Richardson And I am looking at business unit 44090, specifically titled. . . the description is Road Safety.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Under Employee Numbers I see that we are going down one employe e number for the Road Safety business unit under the Transport Control Department. And that would be a loss of 100 per cent of all staffing to that team or that business unit. Mr. Chairman, I draw your …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Cole Simons, continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, I would like to direct you to page B -203—
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -203. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —line items 8171 Boats - Charter, 8177 Local Cruises. Can the Minister tell us the underlying thought as to how he arrived at his budget estimates for 2021/22? I am asking because I have spoken to a number of those charter boat …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Administration 58000.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister confirm the amount paid for the minimum guaranteed load factor for the airlines? Some of these airlines have negotiated a minimum load factor and we have to pay if they are not met. So, can the Minister speak to how much …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Any further speakers from the Government’s side? Minister? Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to start off with the first question that the Shadow Minister asked, which was . . . Mr. Chairman, if you can get the Opposition Leader to mute his microphone.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, can you mute your m icrophone . . . and the other apparatus that you have there because normally it is you causing all the problems, Mr. Simons, with reception here. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: The Shadow Minister’s first question was about the Bermuda Airport Authority. This year …
The Chairman Chairman You have one minute left. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Okay. I will take that m inute to thank the staff that I have at the Ministry. Once again, I want to thank Marine & Ports, I want to thank Rudy at Marine & Ports, Spencer at TCD.
The Chairman Chairman I would ask you, Minister, to move your Heads right now in the time that is left. Hon. W. Lawrence Scott: Oh, so sorry. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I move that Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 be a pproved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 being approved? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Transport, Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 are approved and stand part of the E stimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22.]
The Chairman Chairman The next Ministry coming up for d ebate is Social Development and Seniors. And that will be chaired by the Honourable Member Lovitta Foggo. [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon to all Members. Members, as you are well aware, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22. Heads 86 and 23 are now t o be debated. I call on the …
The Chairman Chairman Approved. Move on. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chair man. Madam Chair man, I am pleased to present the financial year 2021/22 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors. Madam Chair man, I will briefly discuss the Ministry as a whole, followed by …
The Chairman Chairman One query on the amount for sal aries. What was the figure that you quoted? Right from the beginning of subjective analysis. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Hold out one minute, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Sure. [Pause] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Madam Chairman, salaries a nd wages total some $2,154,000.
The Chairman Chairman Fine. I guess I was not paying atte ntion because you combined it. Thank you. I thank you there. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you. Continue, Minister. HEAD 23 —DEPARTMENT OF CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I now wish to present fiscal year 2021/22 estimates of expenditure for Head 23— the Department of Child and Family Services, which is found on pages B -290 …
The Chairman Chairman For the listening public, we are debating the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors, Heads 86 and 23. Minister, when you are ready you may conti nue. Hon. Tinee Furbe rt: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, the activities covered in programme 2302 are the following business units: • 33020—Investigating …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, coul d I get you to pause there for one second? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sure.
The Chairman Chairman While I hand over the Chair to Member Tyrrell. And in so doing, I just want to remind the li stening public we are debating the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors. This debate is a four -hourlong debate, which began at exactly 3:59 pm and is scheduled to end …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, MP Foggo. [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell , Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you may proceed. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, did you hear that?
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Residential Treatment Services (RTS) provides group living intervention services to children between the ages of 12 and 18 years. These are adolescents who are deemed to be at risk in the community and requiring care and protection in a safe and structured residential …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Chairman, the activity co vered in Programme 2304 is Administration business unit 33120, Admi nistration business unit 33130, Client Funding and business unit 33997, National Health Emergency. The estimate for this programme for fiscal year 2020/21 was $3,001,000. The estimate for fiscal year 2021/22 is $2,894,000 reflecting a budgetary …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Chairman, I would like to draw your attention now to page C -8 and C -16 and the estimate for Capital Expenditures for the Minist ry of $518,000. Mr. Chairman, on page C -8 you will note $500,000 is budgeted for the youth transitional living centre to provide for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . Bermuda House of Assembly Before I ask if there are any other speakers, I will just remind Members that we have an hour and 20 minutes left in this debate. Are there any other speakers?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member 20 minutes left?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson An hour —
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, is that you? Yes?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Just sorting out the audio.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I would like to thank the Minister, and I would also like to thank the many people who do so much to su pport our youth and our seniors in the community. I would also like to commend the Minister on such a thorough brief. This is my first time …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert MP Jackson?
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Sorry . . . I just wanted to let you know that that amount has been updated.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Oh, yes . . . I got the sheet.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert You got it? Okay. It is 2691.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And so that means that grants to external bodies has been removed . . . that line item, then? Yes . . . I do not see it at all. Okay, so we do not know who they are and that is gone. [Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, can the Minister just co nfirm that line 6869 Grants to External Bodies, which was $55 2,000 . . . so that means that that money is no longer being distributed to any external bodies? If the Minister could just confirm that for me then, please.
The Chairman Chairman Minister , I know that your intention is to answer all questions at the end. Is that when you want to refer to— [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Minister, you are muted. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister , you are still muted.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Chairman, can you repeat that question? 942 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: The MP was asking about a li ne item in terms of the correction to the number in the book. I said that I noted that you wanted to answer …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Yes, please.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, then. Go ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am sorry —
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, can you put your question again?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I just am curious . . . there is . . . the original Budget Book has a line item on page C -21, and this line item is 6869 Grants to E xternal Bodies for $552,000. There is a revised Grant and Contribution page that has been brought …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I was asking if you want to have time to look that up, or do you want to answer that one now.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Yes, Mr. Chairman. I thought I was getting all the questions asked.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. MP Jackson—
The Chairman Chairman She will respond to that . . . sorry, the Minister will respond to that question at the end.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. I just had one quick question on page B -287, [business unit] 96050, the K. Margaret Carter Centre. I see there under employee numbers that there are 17, and I was just curious if I could be given a breakdown of what those job positions are. [Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And those are my questions for those pages. Now, I would like to move into the performance measures, B -288 under business unit 96040, Ageing and Disability Services. I am just curious . . . there are a number of accessibility assessments that have been c onducted. And last year, …
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, if I could just interject just to remind the listening audience that we are on Head 23, Child and Family Services, [INAUDIBLE]. Please continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. If I may add, the audio, Mr. Chairman, was a little difficult to under-stand. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes, Mr. Chairman. It is hard to understand what you are saying. I wonder if you can come closer to the microphone or . . .
The Chairman Chairman Sorry about that. I probably just need to talk a l ittle louder. Can you hear me know? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Fantastic. That is better.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. And still under Business Unit 33020 Invest igation and Screening on B- 294. I am just curious ho w many referrals for either counselling or for home- based services. Again, we are receiving percentages, but it is difficult to know 100 per cent of how many. Moving on, …
The Chairman Chairman Member Jackson, you have finished with your questions?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other speaker? I do not hear anyone. I do not recognise the voice and I do not see a face up.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, it is Cannonier. I am just getting my camera up. Can you hear me now?
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, I can hear you and see you now. Go ahead, please.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would also l ike to start off by thanking the Honourable Member for an extremely detailed breakdown of these areas that we are discussing, Heads 86, 23 and on. It was very informative.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Chairman, if MP Cannonier can speak up? I can hardly hear him.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Let me just see.
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, I am having difficulty hearing you as well.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Can you hear me better now?
The Chairman Chairman Much better, thank you.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, thank you, much better.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My apologies. Thank you, Honourable Minister for the d etailed listing and review of these most important areas of Government. I must say, it was very detailed, and I much appreciate the fact that this took place. It a nswered a lot of questions. I would like to start out, …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. 946 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: Under C -21 the Ministry of Social Development and Seniors. If we come on down, there were some corrections I thought needed to be made. But I did find those, so thank you very …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier. Are there any other speakers?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I have a couple of questions.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Under 2303 Independent Living, I am just curious. The new independent living arrangement that is there for the future. Is there a pr ojected budget for the rental or purchase, or how ever we are going to manage the physical building there, and whether the actual independent living has been …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Jackson, I did not get the page —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And one other question. I am just curious in line item 33100 which is on page B - 291. I am just curious what is the average year of enrolment in the overseas Psycho- Education Pr ogramme? Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Are there any other speakers ? If there are no other speakers, Minister, do you wish to respond at this time? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just writing down a lot of questions. Okay. Please excuse me; the responses may not …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Chairman, we cannot hear her. Hon. Tinee Furbert: You are on mute. Hello. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Chairman Chairman Member, I misunderstand; MP Jac kson, y ou cannot hear who? Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: I have got her now. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, proceed. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was saying that I probably will not answer the questions [in the order] in which they were asked. But I will start with the last one first in regard to the average time period in which someone is in the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other speakers? No other Speakers?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You have nine minutes left, MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. I am just trying to get an answer to a question I requested. What were the other locations, based on page C -27, rental accommodations? What other locations were viewed in rel ation to renting out Front Street, Customs House? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Well, just give me one minut …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. And listed in there, as I had mentioned, they made a public statement of five different places that they were renting, and I only see four. So I did not know what that actual fifth one was, because t hey mentioned that all of these would come under one …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other statements? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would actually like to ask MP Cannonier to defer that question to the Ministry of Public Works in regard to the five places, as the Works actually makes the decision in regard to placements of government facilities.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay. Then I address the question differently. Did DCFS ask to make the request to move? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes, I did answer that question. They did make a request to move several years ago, many years ago.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Many years ago? I wonder if you could qualify when that was. That is a general answer. It cannot be substantiated. Hon. Tinee Furbert: At least five years ago.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier At least five years ago. Hon. Tinee Furbert: I say at least five. It could be . . . it may have been a little bit more, but at least five.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay, Chairman. Than that just leads me back to what other locations then were viewed?
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other speakers? Hearing none, Minister, do you want to move your Heads? [Inaudible interjection] 950 15 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. C hairman, just a qualif ication here.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier These amounts are stated on page C -27 as to the rent of these buildings. I find it interesting that the Minister would not know the answers to some of these questions [about where] they are renting. I guess if they are not spending the money to rent these particular …
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, it is my understanding that this is a new Ministry. I would expect that some leeway would be given to the Minister at this point to give a better response later on, I am sure.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman, thank you. I agree.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you wi sh to move your Heads? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that Heads 86 and 23 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, it has been moved that Heads 86 and 23 be ap proved. Is there any objection to that motion? I hear none. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Social Development and Seniors, Heads 86 and 23, were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman I now call on the Minister of Finance. Minister of Finance, are you on with us? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister of Finance, I am looking to you to get us to rise and report. Premier, are you there? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Hello. The Chair man: Deputy Premier, is that you? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Can I move the motion that we should rise and report …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you can. Any Minister can move the motion. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Well, I would like to move the motion that we rise and report progress.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Is there an appropriate wording to the motion? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And ask leave to sit again. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am sorry. I move that we rise to report progress and ask to leave to sit again. (Is that the appropriate wording, Mr. Chairman?) …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Deputy. It has been moved that the Committee rise, report progress, and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? Hearing none , [approved.] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again. ] …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Can you hear me, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Mr. Speaker. I am handing back to you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, are there any objections to the House rising to report progress and asking for leave to sit again? There is no objection to that. Bermuda House of Assembly That brings us to a close of today’s session of the Budget Debate. And we now move on to …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, we have been advised . . . Mr. Speaker, it may be that I am not sure that the Minister of Education was doing any matters this evening.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh. No matters? That is good. [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: I do not believe so, Mr. Speaker. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I can confirm that because I have been advised that they will be done on Friday.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh. Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, I do believe so. It will be done later this week, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. So the second reading of the . . . well, that would have been done then. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, yes. And all other matters I believe are carr ied over, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. With that done, would you like to move the motion for Adjournment then, Deputy? ADJOURNMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Absolutely, Mr. Speaker. And I just want to thank the Chairman for gi ving me guidance on the appropriate motion for the previous Budget session. I thank him for his …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any Member wish to speak to that? No Member wishes to speak to that? Then the House stands adjourned as of now. Good evening, Members. Have a good night, and we will see you Wednesday morning at 10:00 am. Good night, Members. [At 8:00 pm, the …
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