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House of Assembly Session 2020/2021 544 speeches

March 12, 2021

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The Attorney General announced that people can now apply online to have minor cannabis convictions removed from their records, following new legislation that came into effect. The Finance Minister answered questions about millions of dollars in unpaid debts owed to government, revealing that the government has never written off any receivables and lacks clear policies for debt collection. The House began its annual budget debate focusing on Cabinet Office departments, with Ministers explaining spending plans for various government services.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 12, 2021
Session 2020/2021
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Speakers 30
Speeches 544

Key Topics

Launch of online application system for expunging cannabis conviction recordsGovernment budget debate for Cabinet Office departments (Post Office, Statistics, Human Resources, etc.)Parliamentary questions about government debt collection and outstanding receivablesCondolences for recently deceased community members

Bills & Motions

Rent Increases (Domestic Premises) Control Temporary Amendment Act 2021 - introduced for first reading
Budget debate continued in Committee of Supply for Cabinet Office departments (ongoing discussion, no votes)

Notable Moments

The Attorney General had to correct herself about where to find the cannabis expungement application form online
The Finance Minister revealed the government currently has no Accountant General and called the debt collection situation "wholly unacceptable"
Multiple MPs paid tribute to elderly community members who had recently passed away, including a 99-year-old woman

Debate Transcript

544 speeches from 30 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members, to the sitting this morning. To start today’s session Madam Clerk will lead us in prayer this morning. Madam Clerk. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Ms. Shernette Wolffe , Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Clerk. Members, the House is now in session. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 8 March 2021 ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 8 th of March have been circulated. Are there any omissions or amendments, adjustments to be made to them? There are none. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 8 March 2021 confirmed]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes of the 10 th of March have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE The Sp eaker: There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are n one. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Statement this morning from Madam Attorne y General. Minister, Attorney General, would you like to present your Statement at this point? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Go right ahead. You have the floor. EXPUNGEMENT OF CONVIC TIONS ACT 2020 (IMPLEMENTING ONLINE APPLICATION) Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform this Honourable House that the Expungement of Convictions Act 2020 was brought into operation yesterday , March the 11th, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That being the only Statement this morning, we will now move on to the next item on the Order Paper. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD The Spe aker: This morning we have the written questions which were deferred from the 26 th [of February]. And those questions are from the Opposition Leader to the Minister of Finance. And there were three questions that sought an oral response. Opposition Leader , …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister. You had agreed that we will do them today. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes. I have them. Let me get them out of my bag , Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Are you ready? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker He is retrieving his responses to you. He has indicated that they are available. He just does not have them in front of him at the moment. I am going to give the Minister another moment to collect the necessary responses. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. What is wrong …
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader, we were able to see you before. Now we do not see you. We hear you. Your video was on at first. And the Minister is back in his chair. So I am assuming, Minister, you have the informat ion now? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I do.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Opposition Leader, when you are ready. QUESTION 1: CONSOLIDATED FUND ACCOUNTS MARCH 2018 –MARCH 2020 Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Will the Honourable Mini ster please confirm to this Honourable Ho use the value of the total accounts receivables due to the Bermuda Government’s Consolidated Fund as at March …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. (While the Minister is responding to you, you can adjust — yes, we have the camera on now. We see you. ) Minister, would you like to give your r esponse? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The question was . . . is the Honourable Opposi tion Leader changing the addressee of the question?
The Speaker The Speaker Say that again? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The questions that I have in front of me, question 1 says, “Will the Honourable Premier please confirm to this Honourable House . . .” I am asking, is he now changing the addressee of the question? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Okay. Mr. Speaker, the information is as follows: For March 31, 2018, total receivables, $310,245,018 , less provision for doubtf ul accounts of $130,545,108, for total receivables less provisions of $179,699,910. And this would have been a change from the prior period, which had total …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Opposition Leader, do you have supplementaries? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I do have supplementaries, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker You can put your first supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister confirm the balance as at December 31, 2020?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Minister, I can confi rm that number later. That was not the question that was put to us for answering in the PQ’s [Parliamentary Ques-tions]. So we would have to go back and pull that i nformation. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I accept that. …
The Speaker The Speaker Do you have a further supplementary? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Second supplementary. Go ahead. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister name the consultants now being used to manage the recovery of these outstanding receivables? And how much are they [charging] …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. You can put your second question now. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Oh, no. That is it for now. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker No, but your second question, your written question. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons : Oh, second question. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker You used up your two supplementaries. Now you move on to your second question. QUESTION 2: CONSOLIDATED FUND ACCOUNTS MARCH 2018 –MARCH 2020 Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: That is right. Will the Honourable Minister please provide this Honourable House an aged receivable schedule for the three years in question?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Minister, I will present these numbers for each fiscal year over five periods. The periods will be zero to 90 days, 91 to 120 days, 121 to 180 days, 181 to 365 days, and then over one year. So for the fiscal year ended March …
The Speaker The Speaker No supplementaries. You can do your question number 3. QUESTION 3: CONSOLIDATED FUND ACCOUNTS MARCH 2018 –MARCH 2020 Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Will the Honourable Mini ster please confirm to this Honourable House the value and details of receivables written off the Government’s books for the last three years?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I have been advised that it has not been the Government’s practice to ever write anything off of the books with respect to receivables. The receivables balance that currently stands has been t he long- standing balance of both of the balance for …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Put your first su pplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Are there criteria that allow for write -offs? And if there are, what are the qualific ations? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am referring the Honourable Member to my prior answer wherein the Government has not …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Second supplementary, yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So will I be correct in u nderstanding that at this point in time there are no write -off polici es? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I would have to refer the Honourable Member to my prior answer. I am …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. You have exhausted your supplementaries. No one else wants to make a supplementary? That brings us to a close of the written questions for today. No Members have indicated any questions for the Statement that was read this morning by the A ttorney General. So we can …
The Speaker The Speaker Congratulatory and/or Obituary Speeches. Would any Member wish to make a contr ibution at this time? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Madam Attorney G eneral, is that you? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes. My apologies —
The Speaker The Speaker You can have your — Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: —before I go on to that, I would just like to clarify an error that is in my Stat e-ment. The application form is not on the government portal www.gov.bm . It is actually on forms —
The Speaker The Speaker Let me just hold you up. Let me just hold you up. What you should do is ask the indulgence of the House to allow you to make that correc-tion because we are on another section. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS EXPUNGEMENT OF CONVICTIONS ACT 2020 (IMPLEMENTING ONLINE APPLICATION) …
The Speaker The Speaker Is there any objection to allowing the indulgence of the Attorney General at this moment? There is none. Now you can proceed, Attorney General. Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Okay. As I just said pr eviously, Mr. Speaker . . . and thank you for that indulgence. The government portal, www.gov.bm …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam Attorney General. Now, Madam Attorney General, did you wish to make a contribution under the Congratulatory and/or Obituary Speeches? Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your three minutes. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you. I do not need three minutes. But I would like to take this time to express my condolences to my marriage family with respect to the passing of their mother. And she is Ms. Iris …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Mr. Sp eaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I hear two voices, Opposition Leader and another voice. Opposition Leader, would you like to conti nue? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would just like to associate myself —
The Speaker The Speaker You have your three minutes then. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, I am not going to be three minutes. I just want to associate myself with the comments made by the Attorney General in regard to Ms. Ramsey. I knew the young lady. And as her granddaughter -in-law said, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like the Honourable Member Swan from the East End. Would you like your three minutes at this point, sir?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I would like to have condolences sent to the family of Mr. Greg Maybury, who hailed from Somerset but was rais ed and educated formally first in St. George’s. And from the St. George’s family to the Somerset family, and everybody in between, and the Port Royal Golf …
The Speaker The Speaker I think you are associating yourself. Because I believe we had done it when we first came back.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Did we do it?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Okay. Well, I did not —
The Speaker The Speaker I understand. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, I will assoc iate if that is the case, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker, I would like for condolences to be sent to the family of Ms. Artemisa Gibbons from Wellington Slip Road. And I will associate my colleagues Minister Ming and MP Foggo from St. George’s, and cousin …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, Mr. Speaker. Good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds lik e Honourable Member F amous. Honourable Member, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I am going to be brief. I just want to give condolences to the Si mmons family of Devonshire, Roberts Avenue to be specific , on the sudden passing of Mr. Lloyd Si mmons. He was a veteran taxi driver. He was a staunch PLP …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Was it the Honourable Member Foggo? Were you trying to get in?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker, I was. Can you hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker We can hear you now. We saw you before, but we could not hear you. Yes. There you go.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Can you hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We hear you. We hear you. Now you have muted yourself again.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, can you hear me now?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We hear you.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. I do not know what was wrong with my iPad that time but I —.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. You have your three minutes now.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, can you hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes, we hear you?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Can you hear me? Yes? I just want to be associated with the remarks for Ms. Ramsay. Dianne is a ver y, very good friend. I have also known Davida for all of my life and Dupierre, and [INAUDIBLE] I guess if you will, were colleagues. And the Simmons family …
The Speaker The Speaker You are fading out, Honourable Member.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. [INAUDIBLE] who was a colleague of my father’s, a rising musician. And [I N-AUDIBLE] she is survived by another sister, who is 97 years old, and a f ew other siblings. And . . .
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, I am going to ask you to —you only have 30 seconds left. And I am losing you. Member, you are fading out, so I am going to ask that we just move on to — Any other Member who wishes to speak?
Ms. Crystal Caesar Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo [INAUDIBLE]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Honourable Member —
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo The St. George’s community is right there by her side, holding her hand.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member.
The Speaker The Speaker We are muting you now.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Timer chimes] he Speaker: Okay. Honourable Member Caesar, you have your three minutes.
Ms. Crystal Caesar Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I would like to give congratul ations to young Ms. Gherdai Hassell, who has an exhibit at the Bermuda National Gallery. Ms. Hassell is at present residing in the UK. However, she is a Bermudian born and raised. And I had the opportunity …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, you have 50 seconds left on your three minutes.
Ms. Crystal Caesar Okay. Yes. No problem. I am wrapping up. But to hear her speak about it is —it just does not do it justice just to go and look. So I am sending congratulations to her because it is a very poignant and wonderful work. I want all to go and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? No other Member. We can move on. MAT TERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNME NT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Government Bill to be i ntroduced today, in the name of the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, would you like to present your Bill now? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Go right ahead. FIRST READ ING RENT INCREASES (DOMESTIC PREMISES) CONTROL TEMPORARY AMENDMENT ACT 2021 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning to you. Good morning to colleagues and to Bermuda. I wish to introduce a Government Bill. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill f or its first …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. And that is the only Bill for t oday to be introduced. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker And again for the clarity of the listening public, we are now on the third day of the annual Budget Debate. As you know, the Budget Debate consists of a total of 56 hours, each day consuming 8 of thos e hours. And today the matter, the Ministry and department …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objection. Deputy Speaker.
Mr. Neville S. Ty rrell Mr. Speaker, I have been asked to take the Deputy Speaker’s [place] to start off.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Well, just for the sake of the public, this morning’s first session in Committee will be chaired by the Honourable Member, Mr. Tyrrell. Mr. Tyrrel l, you have the Chair.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 10:47 am [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell , Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22 [Continuation thereof] 778 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair man: Good morning, Honourable Members. We are …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, just for organisational purposes, I will do Head 13, Head 61, Head 80. The Pr emier will do Heads 9, 43, 51 and 94. I will do all of my Heads first; then the Premier will come in and do all of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Is the Minister s aying that after he makes his presentations in regard to Heads 13, 51, 61, 80 we will be able to ask questions then? Or does he want to do it at the very end, after the Premier? …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, are you okay? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am sorry; what was that?
The Chairman Chairman No. I was asking the Opposition Leader, is he following? Are you okay? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am on page B -49, Honourable Member. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And which line item? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Hold on. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman It is at [revenue source] 8312, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Hold on, hold on. Let me get that for you. I believe I can correct it. I will have one of my colleagues to check this out. But I think this —I mentioned that the Bermuda Post Office needs …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is right here. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I could let you know the i nformation, but if not, I can continue to go on. Is that okay with you? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. So at Customs, I said they collected …
The Chairman Chairman Let me point out, this — [Crosstalk] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It should have been Philatelic Sales. This is page B -609, B-611 [sic]. And you add also—sorry. Line item 8613, 8609 and 8611 (that is a grouping there) as up to the 86. Do you follow? Hon. N. H. …
The Chairman Chairman MP Simons, in the f uture I ask that you would acknowledge the Chair. That is all I am asking. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Work is currently being completed to align the website where the Bermuda Post Office can drive sales to increase the standing order customer base, as well …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Capital Expenditure Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Bermuda Post Office capital expenditure budget for 2021/22 c an be found on [page] C -9 of the Capital Acquisition Estimates, Schedule C. The Bermuda Post Office has been all ocated an amount of $44,000 for the purchase of new delivery cycles.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The post office needs 43 cycles for getting delivery to every residence and business on the Island. (Someone has got their m icrophone on.) The Bermuda Post Office has an age-ing fleet with some cycles over 10 years old. This age-ing fleet is more expensive …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Minister. HEAD 61 — EMPLOYEE AND ORGANISATIONAL DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And that you will find this on pages B -69 to B -72 of the Budget Book. The Employee and Organisational Develo pment Department’s mission is to optimise talent and transform the organisation. Mr. Chairman, the …
The Chairman Chairman I am with you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Salaries are estimated at $5,785,000, which represents approximately a 172 per cent increase, or . . . (Sorry. Let me read that again.) It represents 172 per cent, or $3,660,000 compared to the 2020/21 budget of $1.9 million. As just stated, this …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am sorry, Mr. Chairman. I have not . . . I am having difficulty following, would the Minister please be able to just let us know where he is in the Budget Book at this point, please? 790 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you give us some direction? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am reading over the —right now I am reading from the Upcoming Plans for the department.
The Chairman Chairman Well, which department and which head? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This is Head . . . Did Ms. Jackson just come on?
The Chairman Chairman She must have, yes. So we are on the same Head? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. Head 61— Employee and Organisational Development. The Ch airman: MP Jackson, are you clear? [No audible response]
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, the Management Consulting Services in their capacity as the pr oject management office for the government reform initiative wi ll continue to oversee the implementation process for many of the initiatives that are currently in channel. As previously mentioned, work will continue …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Minister. Let me interrupt you one second. We are close to our normal lunch break. Are you likely to finish this Head before our break? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Not quite, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Well, what I will do is at 12:30 I will break in for us to go to lunc h. Okay? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. Understood.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. The team will also par tner with client departments to ensure trainees’ trans ition to subjective posts as expected upon successful completion of training contracts. Mr. Chairman, the HR Business Partnership Section is responsible for aligning the business objec-tives for …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Thank you for your cooper ation. I will now ask if the Premier will take us to lunch. [No audible reply]
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Minister who would wish to take us to lunc h, please? Hon. E. David Burt: Happy to do so, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until —
The Chairman Chairman Yes, for lunch. Thank you, Premier. Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:00 pm [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY CABINET OFFICE [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Honourable Member. We are continuing in Committee of Supply. For the benefit of the listening audience, we are debating Heads under the [Cabinet Office]. Minister, you left off with Head 61. You have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome back colleagues after having …
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, Mr. Chairman. [Mr. Christopher Famous, C hairman]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we now continue the Committee of Supply for the further consi deration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22. Minister, you may continue, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. To date, over 25 public officers have partic ipated in the nine- month programme delivering …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, for your dil igence. For the listening public audience, we are now continuing the Committee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2021/22. I now call upon the Premier to give his deli very. Bermuda House of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. P remier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. HEAD 9 —CABINET OFFICE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 9, the Cabinet Office, found on pages B -39 through B -45 of the Budget Book. Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier, one minute. Hon. E. D avid Burt: Sorry?
The Chairman Chairman The Chair thanks you on behalf of the people of Bermuda. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The scope of the Commission’s work was to: 1. Investigate historic losses of citizens’ pro perty in Bermuda from theft of property, dispossession of property, adverse possession claims — Hon. N. …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Member, is that helpful for you? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: That i s the Head, not the line item. Are you on professional services, Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. That’s what I wanted to know, that’s all.
The Chairman Chairman Address the Chair, Member. Address the Chair. We are on Head 9, l ine item 9. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: May I proceed, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may, Honourable Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much. The scope of the Commission’s work was to: 1. Investigate historic losses of citizens’ pro perty in Bermuda from theft of property, dispossession of property, adverse possession claims and/or other such unlawful or irregular means by which …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Member. Hon. E. David Burt: Finally, Mr. Chairman the r emaining material variance is seen in Grants and Contributions, the last line item, which shows an allocation of $26,439,000, an increase of $19,600,000 above 2020/21. This is a result of the transfer in of the Tour-ism related grants. You …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, Mr. Chairman. Likewise, the resilience of microentrepreneurs and vendors was visible in 2020, with 97 vending licences approved. Although a decrease of 13 per cent compared to the 2019 licences, 63 per cent of the appl ications were new applicants. Given …
The Chairman Chairman One minute, Premier. For the benefit of the listening audience, we are conti nuing the Committee of Supply for the co nsideration of the Estimates for the financial year 2021/22. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in closing, business creates jobs and jobs employ …
The Chairman Chairman Go right ahead, Mr. Premier. For the listening audience we are continuing in the Committee of Supply f or the further consider ation of the Estimates of [Revenue and Expenditure] for the year 2021/22. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I will briefly, if I may, stay ing …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that clarity, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: No problem and thank you for speaking as I took a sip so I could continue talking. The services and support were actually transferred but, the payment of the Government phone bills remained with Works and Engineering. Works and Engineering …
The Chairman Chairman Just for one minute, Premier, for clar ity, where can that be found? Or are you reading from your brief? Hon. E. David Burt: I am reading from my brief. This is in su pport, so I would go back to the original page, but this is in support of …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. The Department of Information and Digital Technologies will continue with the development of its core services in the upcoming year by focusing on seven key strategic areas : 1. Infrastructure Stability and Secure network. Work in this area …
The Chairman Chairman One minute, Premier. I think, for the listening audience and for Honourable Members, in one minute, Honourable Member Scott Pearman of constituency 22 will become the Chair. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I may say, you have done a stellar job in your time in the …
The Chairman Chairman One minute, Mr. Premier. I am now handing over the Chair to Honourable Member Scott Pearman. [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Famous for the Chair. I am going to take over the Chair . For the benefit of the listening audience we are in the Co mmittee of Supply for further consideration of the Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22. And the Honourable Premier …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I can hear you. Okay, I will proc eed. HEAD 51 —DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 51, The D epartment of Communications, found on pages B -65 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Furbert, would you please mute your microphone? Hon. E. David Burt: All right, I will try to continue.
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Premier. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. The Communications section’s aim is to ensure tha t the community is well informed about government services, programmes, policies and legisl ative initiatives. [Crosstalk; Feedback] Hon. E. David Burt: The Communications Officers provide the scripts that help …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please, Premier. For the purposes of today and the listening audience, we are in the Budget Debate. We are currently in the Committee of Supply for cons ideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22. The debate today has been the debate on the Cabinet …
The Chairman Chairman No, he has covered Heads 43 and 51. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, he is going to Head 94.
The Chairman Chairman I think so. Hon. W ayne L. Furbert: Head 94 has to do with —
The Chairman Chairman Economic Development. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —Economic Development, so, he will be here in a few minutes to proceed with Head 94.
The Chairman Chairman Right. And as I understand it, Minister, that will be the last Head presented by the Government before questions from the Opposition, is that correct? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, yes, yes it will.
The Chairman Chairman Grateful, Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier, welcome back. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, sir. HEAD 94 —ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 94, the Economic Devel-opment Department, which is found on pages B -78 through B-81 and on page …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, proceed. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. MISSION STATEMENT Hon. E. David Burt: The mission statement of the Economic Development Department is to advance the sustainable growth, development and diversification of Bermuda’s economy. The Government of Bermuda is taking a multi - pronged approach to economic development and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Premier. That concludes the presentation by the Go vernment on the various Heads falling under the Cab inet Office departments. Does any Honourable Member wish to speak to this debate or to this matter? [Pause] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, can you hear the Honourable …
The Chairman Chairman I cannot. I can hear you, Opposition Leader.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Let us try —
The Chairman Chairman Now I can. Now I can. Is that you MP Cannonier?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. My apologies. I am not sure why my video . . . I am going to try again. Is the video up now?
The Chairman Chairman I can hear you. Let me just see if I can see you . . . I cannot see you at the moment , Honourable Member.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am going to try again. I do not know why my video is not on. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay, while he is checking, I will start with some questions.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, Opposition Leader. You have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I am going to Head 9, Cabinet Office, Professional Services. The Premier r eferred to the Commission of Inquiry for the Historic Land Losses. My question to him is this: I know they are doing sterling work, …
The Chairman Chairman I can see you Opposition Leader and thank you, Honourable Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Honourable Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Minister, would you like to respond to the question posed by the Opposition Leader under Head 9, Cabinet Office? Hon. E. David Burt: No, Mr. Chairman. I am happy to save all questions.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I am sorry. Honourable Premier, you are going to field all — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I will just continue. I wil l continue until my colleague comes on board.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Please continue, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: The Brussels Office. We indicated that we have Ms. Aliyyah Ahad , $396,000. The number of employees in the . . . for the London Office schedule says zero. So, I think there is an error there. There should be …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier It looks like it is gone again—my video. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: My colleague is having challenges with the video, so I will continue to pr ogress forward.
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Page] B -45, Gross mi sconduct cases will be adjudicated within an eight - week period. How many gross misconduct cases have we had in the last year? And what has been the nature of these gross misconduct cases? And how …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposit ion Leader. MP Cannonier, have you managed to get up and running there?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, here we go.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we can see you. MP Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My apologies, it kept dro pping out for some r eason. I had to go back in and accept the meeting request, so I am not sure exactly what happened.
The Chairman Chairman In the interim the Opposition Leader posed a series of questions for the Premier and the Bermuda House of Assembly Minister under Head 9 of the Cabinet Office, so pleas e proceed.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I am just trying to get this steady so that it does not . . . is that okay, the vi deo?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we can see you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay, great. Thank you once again. I would like to thank both the Premier and Minister Furbert for the deliber ations this afternoon. Quite frankly, I have always en-joyed the debate on Cabinet Office, especially hearing some of the new innovative things that are coming forward and that are taking …
The Chairman Chairman Well, you could just identify the Heads as you go, MP Cannonier, so the people r espondi ng to questions know which Heads they are under. Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I will. Thank you very much. So, I would like to start off with Cabinet Office departments. Certainly, we have been given a fairly thorough review. On [page] B -39, t he Cabinet Office departments, and I take note of (if you will take a look at the current …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I was just going to say we are still on [page] B -42—
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —under Subjective Analysis, just a few lines down from Travel, you will see under Professi onal Services where there is a reduction. And I understood the answer, some of the answer, that the Premier had given. But what I do know is that there were at least 15 different services …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —and if you go down to line items 19075 and 19080.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Under the original amount it should be, for 19075—and I am hoping that the Clerk takes a look at this to make the necessary adjus tments —Brussels Office, the origina l amount, which would have been the estimate last year, was two. And so in the original amount it should …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier. Just so we are clear, the potential errors you are identifying are on page B -43 and they are the second and third to last entries in the Employee Numbers (Full -time Equivalents) box there, being line items 19075 and 19080. Correct?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is correct. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman No doubt those questions can be a ddressed. Do you want to continue with your questions please?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I will continue. I will continue on. I am sure that they are listening. I take it to heart when the Premier said he was hoping that I was listening on the tourism part and, certainly, when the Premier speaks I want him to know that I certainly listen. …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am going to go over to–– under Capital Account Estimates first on [page] C -4. The Chair man: [Page] C -4?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Under Cabinet Office department, [page] C -4, Capital Account Estimates.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Premier . . . if I go to Cabinet Office, 75281 and, again, we are on [page] C - 4, Shoresi de Facilities —Marginal Wharf. I was hoping that the Premier can tell us, for the $370,000, what exactly did we do here to spend that? And, of course, …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I know it is quite a thick book and a bit of leafing through here. So, if we go under Cabinet Office and under Information & Digital Technologies, I guess I can wait for that. Let me just go to the . . . we probably should wait until we …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, page C -17, which is Grants and Contributions.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Grants and Contributions. And I must highlight that in his brief he mentioned $22,500,000, but I do recognise that on page C-19, as it was transferred from the Ministry of Transport, the allocation under Tourism Authority Grant under Transport was $22,500,000. There is a million -dollar difference for the …
The Chairman Chairman So, the Budget Book is a million dollars less than stated in the brief, is that the point?
Mr. L. C raig Cannonier Yes, yes, yes. So, if he can qualify that. It certainly is saying on page C -19 that in prior years it was $22,500,000 but there is an allocation now, a current estimate of $21,500,000. Can he give us the reason for the mi llion-dollar difference? I am going to …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, MP Cannonier, will you accept a point of information?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Go ahead, Honourable Premier. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is not correct . . . sorry. Tourism does not fall under Ec onomic Development. Tourism c omes under the Cab inet Office. So it is correctly in the right place.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay, okay. My apologies. For some reason I thought it was under Economic Development. Okay, thank you. Much appreciated, Premier. On [page] C -26, under Government Depar tment Accommodation Rental under Cabinet Office Head 9, I take note of the increase for the Brussels Office. It looks like there is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Affluent.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, he said affluent, not rich? Okay. All righ t. Well, I am not sure if that is the answer, but if he can— [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Also, he mentioned, still under page C -17, Tourism Authority Grant 6835, the Premier also mentioned that the Tourism Authority was intending to attract jet -setters and I totally agree with this here. And he also mentioned that they tend-ed to be adventure seekers. I was hoping to hear from …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, page C -17.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: The Premier mentioned about this annual business register that the BEDC was looking to upgrade. Can he give us a little more information as to how this is going to . . . what is planned to do with this info? He was …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Opposition Leader, do you have questions arising from Head 9, Cabinet Office? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to redirect your attention back to the London Office. Last year the Premier indicated that the London Office team continued …
The Chairman Chairman Just a moment, Opposition Leader. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Professional Services aside — Hon. E. David Burt: Just a point of order, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons, we have a point of clarif ication or a point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I will give a point of order, Mr. Chairman. Just right quick, in regard to this, I think it is out of order because the Honourable Opposition Leader is …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I just thought the BTA was involved in that proc ess and that is why I tied it in.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Opposition Leader, if you could continue, please, with any questions under Head 9 for the Cabinet Office. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, I am going to the Subjective Analysis, Professional Services, [page] B -42.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -42, yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Can the Minister or the Premier confirm whether or not the lobbyist group e ntitled “The Group” is still involved in our Washington efforts? And if they are still involved, how much are we pa ying “The Group” —which is a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Do any other Honourable Members have questions under Head 9 before we go back to the Premier and the Minister?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Mr. Chairman, I thought that we were going to go through all the departments. They requested that we go through all of the depar tments and ask questions and then come back.
The Chairman Chairman I do not mind. Honourable Premier, do you want to answer the ques tions posed under Head 9 now and then move on to other Heads? Hon. E. David Burt: I would strongly suggest, Mr. Chairman, that they go through all the questions so that we can try to provide …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. All right. In which case, I do not know if we are over to MP Cannonier or the Oppos ition Leader.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will continue on. [Feedback]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier If can move to the Post O ffice, which is Head 13 on [page] B -46. And, again, I recall some of the conversations we have had before. I want to thank the Minister for wearing his yellow and blue for St. David’s —wonderful —and commend Col onel Lamb for …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: I am sorry, I am having difficulty hearing. I think the Opposition Leader needs to mute his microphone. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Opposi tion Leader, could you kindly mute your microphone? [Crosstalk]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Is that better?
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, we have some bac kground noise as well. I do not know if someone else told you, but MP Cannonier, can you please proceed?
The Chairman Chairman We can hear you clearly now.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the brief on [page] B -46 under Department Objectives, the Honourable Minister mentioned that there were seven substations. And under Department Objectives, To provide all Bermuda residents with accessible, affordable and efficient mail service and d elivery as required by the Universal Postal Union’s 832 …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -48?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Page B-48, Head 13, Post Office.
The Chairman Chairman Head 13, Post Office, yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Under Professional Services I was wondering if . . . there does not seem to be a whole lot there, so it would not be a long list. Could he give us a list of those Professional Services that are being provided? It is a reduction I recognise, but …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Is that a point of order?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, point of information,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Is that MP Famous? POINT OF INFORMATION
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes. The MP Cannoni er’s screen was all black. I thought he might have been suffering a black -out or something.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I can see his screen fine.
Mr. Christopher Famous It has come up now, it has come up now. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay. Thank you. Thank you, MP Famous . MP Cannonier, please proceed.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, let me try and get . . .
The Chairman Chairman Proceed.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am sure the Honourable Member Famous loves looking at me, so let me make sure he can see me. So, as we continue on down, I was just cur ious if he can give us an answer to that —the original amount and, of course, the estimate for 2021/22, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier. Opposition Leader, did you have further questions there? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, you may proceed. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier There might be someone else, I do not know.
The Chairman Chairman I think the position is the Premier would prefer all the questions to be put.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I thought maybe som eone else wanted to ask questions, I did not know.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Does any other Honourable Member wish to pose questions in relation to Head 13 Post Office? All right, there being none, MP Cannonier, are you to proceed or is it the Opposition Leader?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I will proceed, thank you—
The Chairman Chairman Yes, proceed.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —Mr. Chairman. And, again, I want to thank the Department of Statistics. I move to Head 14 on pag e B-53. I always do appreciate the work that the Department of Stati stics does and, sometimes under stressful situations. And certainly, due to COVID -19, I am sure that trying …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. If I may pause you there just for a moment . . . Honour able Members we are now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22. We are having debates on the Cabinet Office departments …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, thank you, Honourable Member Pearman.
The Chairman Chairman On this debate for the Cabinet, it is scheduled to finish at 8: 15 pm. Continue, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman, most appreciated. I am trying to remember where I was now. Oh, I was on Professional Services —my apologies. I was just asking the question what exactly were those Professional Services? Certainly, again I will repeat that we apprec iate the work that they do. And …
The Chairman Chairman Anyone else have any questions? There appear to be none. Mr. Cannonier, will you carry on?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I would like to move to Head 43, the Premier’s favourite area. And I want to thank the Premier, just before we get into Head 43, which is on [page] B -61, for his in -depth summary. I know from the past this is …
The Chairman Chairman What line and what Head are you talking?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, as I said, I am under the Department Objectives because he mentioned these things in his general summary. So I wanted to find out what they are about. He did not put them under an actual item number. So, I would just refer to the department, these are the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —that he wanted to go through. So, when he mentioned these fragmented i ndividual systems, I am keenly aware, and you would be as well, Mr. Chairman, the isolation of some of the departments. Was he looking to take a few on at a time before he does it across …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I do, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Opposition Leader, continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay, I have a number of items here. The first item that I would like to speak to is . . . first of all, I would like to commend the Minister for the overall strategic direction that he is taking. …
The Chairman Chairman I did not hear you, would you repeat that again? You said something about commending somebody . . . I did not hear it. Hon. N. H. Cole Simo ns: I commended the Mini ster—
The Chairman Chairman Oh, thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —for the journey that he is taking, because it would make government more eff icient and it is the direction that most large organis ations are taking. And, again, he gave an outlook on upcoming events for the year and so I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Opposition Leader. Are there any further speakers? Mr. Cannonier, you had some more questions?
Mr. L. Cr aig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move to page B -65, Head 51. I am sorry, can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I hear you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier All right. Great.
The Chairman Chairman You are not coming through loud, but if you can . . . I do not know, get closer to the micr ophone or whatever.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier There we go.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Much better?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On [page] B -65 under Head 51, Department of Communications, I would just like to say thank you. I believe that they did a stellar job over the last year due to COVID -19 and informing Bermuda on the work forward. I do not have any …
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Mr. L. Craig Ca nnonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On [page] B -69 Head 61, Department of E mployee & Organisational Development, I would like to just move over to [page] B -71, right to the Performance Measures. The numbers are quite static, so they were explained quite wel l. I am sorry, Mr. Chairman, …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Any further questions? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes—
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —I would like to direct you, Mr. Chairman, to page B -71.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I just have two questions under this section. It is Output Measure 71000, Ma nagement Consulting Services.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: It says, “To roll out a Performance Measurement & Management System for the Government Reform Initiative.” I note that it was discontinued. Can the Minister provide an explanation as to why that was discontinued? In addition, if we move down to business unit 71020, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member did not refer to which Head he was talking about. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: We are talking about Head 61, the Performance Measures. His first question was under business unit 71000 and now he has gone to another. Continue, Honourable …
The Chairman Chairman Are you still on Head 61, Mr. Ca nnonier?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Sim ons: Okay, I am going over to page B -72, unit 71060, Talent Management Services, develop succession plans as required for ministries. Can the Minister confirm that under this section we are also looking at succession planning for the permanent secretaries? Then we move …
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions on Head 61?
Mr. L. Cr aig Cannonier Mr. Chairman, just one more question. I apologise.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, on page B -71 under the same Head 61, under business unit Management Consulting Services, the Honourable Minister mentioned how the y . . . I believe he mentioned there were some initiatives to harmonise some of their efforts across the board in performance assessments? I did not quite …
The Chairman Chairman All right. Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: Done. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I am just having difficulty hearing the Honourable Member because the Opposition Leader’s microphone is open and there is an echo because they are in the same room.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I think Mr. Simons has muted his microphone now. Do you want to repeat that —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The question?
The Chairman Chairman —Honourable Member Cannonier?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My apologies. I think you guys got big fingers hitting the wrong buttons. The question was . . . the Honourable Member had mentioned something about Perf ormance A ssessments and Measurements under the business unit on page B -71, Management Consulting Services. And I was curious, when it says, …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you very much. Moving over to Head 80, Project Management & Procurement.
The Chairman Chairman Head 80, yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Again, I want to thank the Honourable Member. He gave some good details here as to where the Project Management & Procurement team is. On [page] B -77 under Performance Measures, I was just curious, under unit 90000, A dministration (Project Management & Procurement), compliance . . . did this …
The Chairman Chairman Any other speaker that wants to speak to Head 80? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, while on the Performance Measures, if you go to the third from the bottom—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole S imons: —Primary legislation to enable new project and procurement governance and to transpose new Procurement directives into Bermuda Law. Can the Minister provide details on the legisl ative agenda for the coming year that will dovetail with this? Mr. Chairman, I am very, very …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, just ask the question opinions are not welcome in this debate. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. So, I will ask this question, Mr. Chairman, How is this Government going to manage the risk of not addressing the issues because of the lack of staff and tools? There …
The Chairman Chairman Just ask the question. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —three . . . I asked the question, how are they managing the risks?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, that is fine. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven . . . eleven of the Performance Meas ures cannot be addressed because of the lack of staff, tools, documented processes and technologies. So, I repeat my question, How are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourabl e Member, Honourable Opposition Leader. Any further questions on Head 80? There appear to be none. Any further questions at all?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman, if it pleases, I will move on to Head 94.
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Mr. L. Craig Cann onier I believe this is the last Head. So, we move on over to [page] B -78, Head 94 Economic Development. And my apologies to the Premier for assuming that . . . I thought that Tourism fell under this particular department, and it is under Cabinet, so, my apologies. Under …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Premier, continue. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. E. David Burt: I just want to help insofar as his question, because I know it was a question which I had as well. And I am going to assume that the Honourable Member is referring to page [B -]79. Bermuda House …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you very much for the point of clarification, and thank you for allowing me that information, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I would love to he ar some more about what it has accomplished over the last year because I do believe that you eloquently spoke in the past of …
The Chairman Chairman Anything further Honourable Oppos ition Leader or Member Cannonier? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of questions.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Opposition Leader, continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Page] B -79, line item 104130, FinTech.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: The Premier indicated that he had a number of new clients coming in—IG Inte rnational, Nayms, Bittrex Global, and Diamond Standard, and one other one (I did not get the name). So, my question for the Minister is, Can he summarise the number …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. That is it, Honourable Member? Hon. N. H. Col e Simons: No, no, no, that is not it. I note that he also has plans for EEZ incubator hubs —one in Somerset, one in Hamilton and one in St. George’s. Are we renting those buildings? You spoke about …
The Chairman Chairman Are you complete, Honourable Opposition Leader? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: The other question I would like for him to answer is to summarise, under Head 9404, Research & Legislative Support, can he also summarise the legislative agenda for the coming year? If we flip over to [page] B -80, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: You spoke to Corporate Services and Concierge Services. I am aware that the BDA does that, and I have a sense that you are also doing that in the Cabinet Office. So, can you provide clarity as to why both organisations are providing that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Opposition Leader. Any further questions on Head 94? Any further questions at all? Mr. Cannonier, does that complete the questionings from the Opposition?
Mr. L. Cra ig Cannonier Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, it does.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Any further questions from any Honourable Member? There appear to be none. Opposition Leader, are you satisfied all the questions have been asked at this point? Hon. N. H. C ole Simons: You may proceed, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Ministers, can you please respond? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, so shall we pick up? 840 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes, you can. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. Thank you very much. I will try to run thr ough the …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman, just a clarif ication on the question that I had asked.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, continue, Honourable Member.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, thank you, Honourable Premier. I also asked a question of how long the co ntract was for and when was it renewed? Hon. E. David Burt: You are correct. Thank you. The contract is for five years . . . the rental contract is for five years. And …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The timeframe, the date? I mean, to say 2019 is fine, but is it October, is it November —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, when you address —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, my apologies, Mr. Chairman. The C hairman: Premier, you can answer the question. Hon. E. David Burt: I will look to try to get the Honourable Member the answer. I had to tell him 2019, but we have technical officers who are diligently wor king, so I will look …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Colleagues and Honourable Members, questions were asked in regard to the Post Office and I am going to kind of go through them one by one. Honourable Member, I believe, Cole Simons (I can’t remember whether it was Member Cole or Member Craig Cannonier) asked …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman. The Chair man: Mr. Cannonier?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo What is your . . . oh, okay. Okay, Mr. Chairman. 846 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you, Lovitta. What is your —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Lovitta, your microphone is on.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. The question that I had for the $600,000 was how did we come to that figure? Is it based on prior usage and whatever fee they put to it? I was trying to understand that part of it, how they got to the . . . how it is …
Mr. L. Cr aig Cannonier Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thanks. So, I mentioned about how the Bulk Mail revenue is consistent with declining mail volumes. Traditional mail is declining. We all know that. However, there is growth in flyer marketing mail which i s keeping the revenue stable. Flyer marketing mail, he asked …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I cannot . . . you know, your volume is very low, Mr. Cannonier, that is why I cannot hear you.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, my apologies, sorry. The microphone is right in front of me. Can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I can hear you; but you are not coming through loud at all.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, okay. The Ch airman: And that big voice you have got is not normally that quiet.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My apologies. The question I had for the New Venture House was . . . I did not hear why it went up $112,000 in rent. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I said, Honourable Member, that we are responsible for some of the maintenance that takes place. So the actual rent …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier My apologies, Mr. Chairman, can I proceed?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, proceed.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am just trying [to understand], are you saying then for $113,000, [this amount] is due to maintenance fees and cleaning? Hon. W ayne L. Furbert: I am saying it has to do with maintenance services. I am not saying it will be the total amount. But maybe . . …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I think now we go to Head 14, Department of St atistics. There were some questions being put forward, and I am going to see if I can answer those individual questions. The question was, What role did the Depar tment of Statistics play …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Honourable Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. There were a few questions on IDT. The first one was the network upgrades and how long wer e these network upgrades expected to take? We said they would be factored in over a number of years. And there …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, just to clarify the question that was not answered. Under Professional Ser-vices the question I asked was . . . we see there is an allotment for $627,000, and the Human Resource was likely to only use approximately half of that in dollar value based on their history. What …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier [Page] B -70 under Professional Services. You were talking to — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, that was $627,000; right?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Correct. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I did answer that question. Maybe . . . did I misunderstand you?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Basically, we know that there was an import of the Human Resource. But the Human Resource Department in the past has only used approximately half of that amount. So, I am tr ying to understand, are you saying that the whole $627,000 goes to Human Resource? Because, historically, they …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Well, if you take a look, you will see that it was . . . because we are migrating from another department, it was $271,000 in Professional Services under Human Resource. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I have got you. I will ask that question—
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier It is a difference of $356,000. Hon. Wayne L. F urbert: I will get that [answer] . . . I promise you I will get that [answer] to you, Honourable Member.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, I was on the Performance Measures that . . . was that clear? To roll out a performance measure and we said that you only roll out a performance measure once. So, there is no need to roll it …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —the next one, which is Pr oject Management. I think the big question that the Honourable Leader of the Opposition . . . I was talking about all those b lanks on the side there. We said earlier that the Government believes in efficiencies. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Mr. Premier, continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. There were a few q uestions for Head 94, which is the Economic Development department. The first question was, when speaking about test markets, what Bermuda wants to be, a test market for what? Let me give a …
The Chairman Chairman Is that the end of your answers, Mr. Premier? [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Any other questions?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Member Cannonier, continue.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No, I was just saying thank you. We are complete.
The Chairman Chairman You are complete? 852 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Ca nnonier: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you want to move your Heads? Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 9, 13, 14, 26, 43, 51, 61, 67, 80, and 94 [for the Cabinet Office] be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Heads for Cabinet be approved as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, sir.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I just want to get an upd ate. I did mention that there were some errors . . . if they had been addressed so that is it reflected in the Budget.
The Chairman Chairman Right. In the performance . . . yes. I know, about the staff numbers.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. [Crosstalk]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Page B -43. Hon. E. David Burt: I am happy to speak to the matters on page B -43, Opposition [Leader]. Sorry, I know that there was something on page B -43 which you had pointed out which we had seen. Was that just with the employee’s numbers or was …
The Chairman Chairman No, it was the employee’s number. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: The employee’s number, yes. The employee number, I cannot . . . that is without question an error, because what is in the revised sec-tion . . . because, of course, we are focusing on what the estimate is …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, that is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any objections to the Heads being approved? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Cabinet Office, Heads 9, 13, 14, 26, 43, 51, 61, 67, 80, and 94 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expend iture for the year …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress and ask leave to sit again. Are there any objections to that motion? There appear to be no objections. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.]
The Chairman Chairman The bell will ring for the Speaker. Ding-doing. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I am here. I appear to have a problem getting back on. Can you hear me? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, I hear you, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker My system is saying that I am muted. And my camera won’t come back up. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Well, we do hear you.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And we know it is you [INAUDIBL E] camera.
The Speaker The Speaker I am going to mute until we get through this problem. [Pause] House resumed at 8:0 7 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] Bermuda House of Assembly REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Committee rising and reporting progress and will sit again? No objections. We will now get into the House, which brings us to the close of the debate today on the budget. The next it em on the Order Paper is the second reading …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member object to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING BERMUDA HEALTH COUNCIL AMENDMENT ACT 2021 Hon. Kim N. Wilso n: Thank you. Mr. Speaker and Honourable Members, I appear before you this evening to introduce the Bill ent itled the Bermuda Health Council Amendment Act 2021. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, can you turn off . . . yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are just getting rid of some feedback there. Can you hear me clearly?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we hear you nice and clear.
Mr. Scott Pearman Excellent. Mr. Speaker, as this Bill touches . . . well, sort of very peripherally, on health insurance and health care insurance, I refer the House to my existing declared interest in Bermudian insuranc e companies. The definition of a formulary, because it is quite a weird term, is, An …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker — [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: I think one of my other Members is speaking.
The Speaker The Speaker Which other Member? Would you please identify yourself? Any other Member?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Okay, Mr. Speaker, it seems like they are not going to go, so I will go.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, MP Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, thank you very much. It is much appreciated. For something as significant as being able to reduce the pricing on prescription medications, I would have thought that a formulary being put into place to assist with better pricing for our health care costs, quite frankly, I would have thought …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Tine e Furbert: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I believe . . . is that Minister Furbert? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Minister Furbert, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Just trying to get my camera on, sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Okay, we see you now. Go ahead. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good evening, Mr. Speaker. I would like to just share my support for this Bill, Mr. Speaker. This Bill has been something that has been in the works for a very long time. The aim of 858 12 …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, unfortunately the Ho nourable Member is misleading the House and Berm uda. Thi s Bill is not about making it accessible. This Bill is solely about creating a better pricing mechanism. It is not about accessibility to prescription drugs.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I would hope that if someone can affor d something, that it would be more accessible. Mr. Speaker, I just want to speak to other sort of programmes that are —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonie r Unfortunately, the Honour able Member is misleading the House. I have declared my interest and I can tell you for a fact that there are folks who cannot afford prescription drugs, in many cases the pharmacist’s do allow people to walk away with that pres cription drug. Hon. Tinee Furbert: …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Tinee Furbe rt: —a prescription.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member —
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —is misleading the House. I also mentioned when I spoke that all pharmacies fall under an oath to provide these medications, and all the pharmacies will provide these medications, even if you are short. If you . . . you just need another two pills, they will allow you. All …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? No other Member?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to say a few words.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. So I just want to backtrack a little so that I understand. One, if there are only 65,000 of us on the Island, and my knowledge is that the more (in this case medicine) . . . the more medicine you buy, the more people there are to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution?
Mr. Vance Campbell Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Vance Campbell MP Campbell. The Spe aker: MP Campbell, you have the floor.
Mr. Vance Campbell Mr. Speaker, what this Bill does not propose to do is to reduce the cost of health pr emiums. That was a point raised by one of the Oppos ition speakers. But yet they were quick to point -oforder one of our Members because they felt they were speaking on …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Unfortunately, the Honour able Member is misleading the House. It is totally out of line. We agree that pricing should come down. To scrutinise the Bill to ensure that it is as effective as possible is what legislative work is about. He is mi sleading the House and the people …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, be mindful of those comments. Continue on.
Mr. Vance Campbell Thank you, Mr. Speaker. None of this . . . this Bill does not propose to reduce health care premiums. Yes, the overall goal of this body is to reduce the cost of health care in Bermuda. But this particular Bill does not address prem iums. What it does address, …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I take note what the Honourable Member is saying, but his analogy is mislead-ing. You lay one block at a time; but you lay it based on a complete plan in place. So, I do not get the ana logy. It’s misleading. The S peaker: We hear your point. Member, …
Mr. Vance Campbell Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Ho nourable Member is only listening to those things he wants to hear. The overall plan—and I stated that ea rlier—the overall plan—
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member now is maligning my intent. I said in my statement that we agree that we all want lower pricing.
Mr. Vance Campbell Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, just be mindful of the point of order, and just provide the clarity for the Member to follow what you were saying.
Mr. Vance Campbell Thank y ou, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I said the overall goal . . . or perhaps I should have said “plan.” The overall plan is to reduce the cost of health care in Bermuda. That is the overall plan. One block in that plan is to reduce the cost …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to add a contrib ution at this time? Any other member?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Speaker, MP Richar dson.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I would like to speak to some of the points my col-leagues have made.
The Speaker The Speaker Just be mindful that although we hear you, we do not see you yet.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As far as this legislation is concerned, there is no one in this Honourable House who wants to mai n862 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly tain the cost of health care. What we are interested in, though, is a voiding unintended …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am happy to make a contribution if I can.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. I d id not catch your voice. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, Mr. Speaker. I promise you that I will not be long.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: What we have found ourselves hearing from the other side is what they oppose, but never what they support. And they sit here and they say that our job is to scrutinise, but they make no recommendations, no suggestions for improvement, and all the …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier If the Honourable Member was listening, I made recommendations as to ways that we can help.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for that clarification.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, and point of order for myself —
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, the Member did make some suggestions. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Jarion Richardson We did also add that we support bringing down health care costs. I spoke to hearing from specific stakeholders, including Bermuda Medical Council, Bermuda Medical Doctors Associ ation, and as well as providing actuarial reporting for the consideration of this Bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: But Mr. Speaker, here is the thing. I will get to all of that. But I am going to stick on my point, Mr. Speak er, that it is not a question of, Oh, we want to lower health care costs —but we do …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speak er. The Honourable Member . . . point of order, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Point of order. Will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member is misleading the House and imputing motive, incorrect motive.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, it is not a question of imputing improper motive. It is a question of what we are seeing as a pattern, as the Honourable Member from constituency 9 has stated, Oh, i t is not perfect; oh, it should not . …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member is misleading the House. Consultation has taken place by ourselves with industry stakeholders. I mentioned some of that in my speech, and they had not been consulted. What the Honourable Minister of this Bill has not shown is what she did for consultation. If we want to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier [INAUDIBLE ] in the industry. It is important to get lower prices! The Speaker: Thank you, Member. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will refer to the Hansard of this Honourable House when the Honourable Minister tabled this Bill on February 19 th and when she …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Point of clarification, Mr. Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: The people of the country hear the doubletalk for which it is. You either want to move forward—
The Speaker The Speaker Point of clarification. Go ahead with the point. We will take your point.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Just a question for the Honourable Premier, Mr. Speaker . Hon. E. David Burt: Is there a point of order, Mr. Speaker?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Clarification. 864 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: What are you seeking?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I am seeking clarification on the listing of the consultants and key stakeholders. It was— Hon . E. David Burt: I do not yield on this.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, Member, as a new Member, let me just assist you here. The point of orders . . . the Member speaking has to accommodate a point of or-der. A point of clarification . . . it is up to the Member whether or not he will accept it. And …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, the Honourable Premier is misleading the House. We have not said that we did not agree with lowering the price of prescription medications. We have not said that we did not agree with the Bill in the sense that it wanted to move for-ward wit h lowering prices. It …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Prem ier. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, Mr. Speaker, I will put it this way: That is a very funny way of saying yes . A very, very, funny way of saying yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Premier is misleading the House. There is nothing funny about this here. This is a serious subject, and that is why there is the intensity of questioning that is going on, including by people on this side who are in the industry . Just like he is in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would like to—
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, basically, it comes down to just different viewpoints of trying to reach a similar goal. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, I understand completely, Mr. Speaker. I get it. But here is the thing, Mr. Speaker. I will r epeat the comments, because I stand by the comments and …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Premier is misleading the House once again. No one is trying to have it both ways. This is legislative work and som etimes it requires back and forth to ensure that we get it right. And sometimes —
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier — we don’t, because we are going back and forth! He knows that!
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I think all members of the House understand that part of the reason we come to Parliament is to scrutinise the matter that is before us. And that scrut iny requires us to go back and forth on occasions, and requires us to bring different viewpoints to …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: —their suggestion as the way to do it?
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pe arman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Premier is imputing improper motive. He is suggesting that we are opposing simply for the sake of opposing. He has failed to notice we are not opposing actually. We are asking questions about what happened, whether there was adequate consultation, whether there are …
The Speaker The Speaker Just for clarity for everyone, it seems that both sides agree on the principles of this Bill. It is just the methodology that is being questioned. And the parliamentary process affords the opportunity for the questioning of different methodologies or consider ation of different methodology. And it is part of …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Premier is misleading the House again. No one is attem pting to be clever. I know of no doctors who were consulted. Maybe clarify that.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, again the Minister of Health will answer the questions which have been posed by Honourable Members. My job i s not to a nswer those questions. My job is to state that what we are seeing is a classic pattern. It …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. You have permission. Keep it brief. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The Hansard is from November 11, 2011. In a Throne Speech debate given after the Maiden Speech of the Honourable Member from constituency 12 in this Honourable House on the debate on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? There are none. Minister, do you mind to wrap up and lead us into Committee? Hon. Kim N. Wilso n: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank Honourable Members …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, are there any objections to the Bill being committed? There are none. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 9:2 9 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL BERMUDA HEALTH COUNCIL AMENDMENT ACT 2021
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled, the Bermuda Health Council Amendment Act [2021] . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, with your leave, I would like to move clauses 1 through 5.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides a title to this Bill. Clause 2, Mr. Chairman, amends section 15 of the Bermuda Health Council Act 2004 to provide for a breach of regulations made under the A ct to be subject to a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minis ter. Any further speakers to clauses 1 through 5?
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, MP Pearman. My questions are all in Schedule 1.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member Pearman, continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Honourable and Learned Minister, may I pose a question on Schedule 1, paragraph 4 of the Schedule? And I just want to ask, here it seems that the formulary is . . . in fact, what is going to happen is they are going to take the existing …
Mr. Scott Pearman And what sort of process will there be to update the February 2018 list to get it up to date? Will that be the role of the Council? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, that will be the role of the Pharmaceutical and Therapeutics C ommi ttee.
Mr. Scott Pearman Right. Thank you. My next question, please, is still in Schedule 1, paragraph 5(3), which is on page 5 of the Bill (or page 5 of the copy of the Bill I have). And this is . . . in effect we are creating what I call a layer of …
Mr. Scott Pearman No, I did not.
The Chairman Chairman I did not either. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I am sorry. Yes, that is correct.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Honourable Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman My next question is on page 6. It is again Schedule 1, paragraph 6(2)(a) to (f). And paragraph 6(2)(a) to (f) identify the people who are going to be sitting on the committee. And specifically, par agraph 6(2)(e) identifies that there will be one inter national member representing the pharmaceutical …
Mr. Scott Pearman Do I understand the Learned and Honourable Minister’s response to mean that it would be a representative of a regional formulary rather than a representative of the pharmaceutical market in the region? B ecause I do not see those as being the same thing. [Inaudible interjection and laughter ] Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Mr. Pearman, can you continue?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, only a couple of more questions while the Honourable and Learned Minister is checking with the techn ical team. My next question is again on Schedule 1, still at page 6, paragraph 7. And it identifies here the pill panel, the committee. And I am just wondering whet her …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any further speakers? No further speakers. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Mr. Chairman, I will answer the last question first. The Council would be participating in the pr ocurement and the negotiation with respect to procuring drugs. They could, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The committee is given power to come up with the processes as it relates to how they will provide for the exception processes. Howe ver, as the legislation states, which I must reiterate, it must be a process that is timely, uncomplicated and efficient.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Honourable and Learned Minister. Mr. Chairman, just a couple of questions ari sing from those answers.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman If I may, firstly on the represent ative member. So it is going to be someone from the pharmaceutical industry. It is going to be someone on the sell side of pharmaceuticals rather than a repr esentative of a formulary in the region. Is that right? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: …
Mr. Scott Pearman An expert. I see. Okay. Well, the point, and then you will have it, Honourable Minister. You know we do not want someone on there who is going to have an inherent conflict about where pills are purchased. And I think that the question also you did not address, Honour …
The Chairman Chairman That is it, Mr. Pearman?
Mr. Scott Pearman I am sorry. I did not hear an ything from the Minister. I hear you— Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I am sorry. I am so sorry. I do not have the answer to that as to whether or not the Pharmaceutical and Therapeutic Committee members will be paid, will receive …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I suspect the answer is yes b ecause it would be, I guess, akin to other statutory government boards. But I do not know. So, Mr. Chairman— [Crosstalk]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Bill does not provide for it, which is why I posed the question. But I thank the Minister for her answers. And I thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member, Mr. Pearman. Are there any further questions, comments? There appear t o be none. Minister, do you want to move the clauses? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that clauses 1 through 5 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 5 be approved. Are ther e any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 5 passed.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are the re any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Bill. I am sorry. [Laughter] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I am sorry, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman That is all right. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I move that the Bill be repor ted to the House as printed. The Clerk: And I need some clarification. Are the Schedules included? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, they are. Mr. Chairman, I apologise. The Schedules are included. I move the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I do not have the Bill in front of me. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: There are two Schedules, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Schedule 1 actually is the reg ulations.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. It has been moved that the Schedules be approved. Are t here any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Schedules passed.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported t o the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, with your leave, can I answer that one last question for the Honourable and Learned Member with respect …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you can. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The answer is no. The answer is no, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Minister. Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. Hon. Kim N. Wilson Thank you for your indulgence,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Yes. Thank you. It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Health Council Amendment Act 2021 was considered by …
The Chairman Chairman With that, we will go ding -dong for the Speaker. House resumed at 9 :49 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE BERMUDA HEALTH COUNCIL AMENDMENT ACT 2021
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, it has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House. Are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Berm uda Health Council Amendment Act 2021 being reported to the House as printed? There are no objections. The Bill has been reported and received. The next item …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objections. Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING BERMUDA HEALTH COUNCIL AMENDMENT ACT 2021 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read the third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only. Are there any objections? No objection. The Bill has now been passed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Health Council Amendment Act 2021 was read a third time and passed. ] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Mr. Premier. 872 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Monday, March the 15th. And it is my motion, Mr. Speaker. I do want …
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, you can close right now. [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: I understand. But I know that one of my Members wants to speak. So I would not want to cut them off, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Is there any Member who would like to make a contribution under this motion to adj ourn? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes. Chris, you are muted in there. You have got to turn on the thing.
The Speaker The Speaker Is there any Member? I only hear the Premier, no one else. Hon. E. David Burt: He is right there.
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, Mr. Speaker. Good evening.
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable Member from Devonshire. Honourable Member Famous, is that your voice?
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I am muting the clock now, so you have your 20 minutes.
Mr. Christopher Famous I will not tak e that long, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. THE DANGER OF COVID -19 VACCINATION HESITANCY
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, good evening. And good evening to the people of Bermuda. Good evening to my honourable colleagues, wherever you may be sc attered around the Island. Mr. Speaker, one year ago, approximately, was the last time we all sat in your Honourable House as one body. You took great …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like the Member from consti tuency 28.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes, it is, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member. Premier, you said you only had one speaker tonight. Using the floor and sneaking in, eh? 874 12 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter] Hon. E. D avid Burt: You are closer to the Honourable Member from constituency 28 than I am, I assure …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good evening, everyone.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, you have 20 minutes. EXPUNGEMENT OF CONVICTIONS ACT 2020 (IMPLEM ENTING ONLINE APPLICATION)
Mr. Dennis Lister III All right. I will not be that long, Mr. Speaker. I just have a few short, brief comments tonight, Mr. Speaker. And again good evening to my fellow colleagues and to the listening public. Earlier today, Mr . Speaker, we heard a stat ement from the Attorney General, the Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, you have your 20 minutes unless you divided it up with the last speaker. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker He took 16 minutes. I guess you have four left. How is that? No, you have your 20 minutes. THE DANGER OF COVID -19 VACCI NATION HESITANCY Hon. E. David Burt: I assure you, Mr. Speaker, that I will not speak for 20 minutes this evening. Mr. Speaker, I would …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. And on that note, Members, today’s session comes to a close. Have yourselves a good weekend. Get some rest. And we will see you bright and early on Monday morning at 10:00 am. The House now stands adjourned. [Gavel] [At 10: 20 pm, the House stood …
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