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House of Assembly Session 2020/2021 410 speeches

March 8, 2021

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Session Summary

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This was primarily a ceremonial sitting focused on recognizing International Women's Day and celebrating various community achievements. Minister Furbert delivered a comprehensive statement honoring women's contributions to Bermuda throughout history, from political pioneers to community leaders. The session then moved into the annual budget debate process, with the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport presenting their 2021/22 budget of $12.9 million. Several MPs offered congratulations to young Bermudians who recently earned professional designations and condolences for community members who had died.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 8, 2021
Session 2020/2021
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Speakers 14
Speeches 410

Key Topics

International Women's Day recognition and achievements of women in Bermuda's historyBudget debate preparation for the Ministry of Youth, Culture and SportCongratulations to young Bermudians achieving professional certificationsCondolences for community members who passed awayMinistry budget allocations for youth programs, sports development, and cultural affairs

Bills & Motions

Motion to move into Committee of Supply for budget debate consideration (approved)
Presentation of Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport budget estimates for 2021/22 fiscal year (ongoing debate)

Notable Moments

First formal parliamentary recognition of International Women's Day, highlighting Bermuda's first female Governor Rena Lalgie and historical figures like Dame Lois Browne-Evans
Recognition of three young Bermudian women who earned CPA designations through KPMG
Tribute to Malaika Butler-Douglas, Bermuda's first female truck driver who recently passed away

Debate Transcript

410 speeches from 14 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Statement this morning by the Minister Furbert, Minister for Social Development and Seniors. Minister, would you like to present your Statement? Ho n. Tinee Furbert: Good morning. Th e Speaker: Good morning, Minister. INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY 2021 Ho n. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Sp eaker, as a woman …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That is the only Statement we have today. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker That leads us into the Question Period. On the Order Paper we have written questions which were submitted from the Opposition Leader to the Minister of Finance. And they wish to have oral response. There are three questions. I believe the Minister of Finance has asked if we could defer …
The Speaker The Speaker If that pause means no response, I am going to assume that there are no questions to the Minister this morning in reference to her Statement on International Women’s Day. And my only comment would be to congratulate the recognition of women on this day. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to make a contribution at thi s time? Any Member? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I hear a voice. Mr. Premier, is that you? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Sorry about this.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, you have your three minutes to make your contribution. Hon. E. David Burt: Let me turn on my video, Mr. Speaker. My sincere apologies.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Today, Mr. Speaker, the Minister has given her Statement on International Women’s Day. And although it is not a matter for congrats and obits , I do want to make sure that I at least acknowledge International Women’s Day . And we continue the work …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister of Education, you have your three minutes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, at this time I would like this Honourable House, and I will associate all Members . . . there is some feedback, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We have got a mic rophone on there right now. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker, I would like to associate all Members of the House. I would like to send congrat ulations to the Education Commissioner’s son, who was just promoted to one of the Assistant Vice Pres idents at Chubb …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Opposition Leader, you have your three minutes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. I would first like to associate myself in regard to—
The Speaker The Speaker We can hear you , but we just cannot see you. But continue talking as you put your video on. Keep talking. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to associate . . . my video is on.
The Speaker The Speaker There. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I have lost some of my vi deo.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. We can see you now. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to associate myself with International Women’s Day remarks that the Premier made. We in the OBA recognise the contributions that women have made in Bermuda—for centuries. And we celebrate their voices, and we celebrate their contributions …
The Speaker The Speaker MP, the Minister of Education would like to be associated with that and Mr. Opposition Leader. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: As would I, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker And the Finance Minister as well. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Those are my only remarks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Is that MP Dunkley? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. How are you this morning?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. You have your three minutes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to send congratulations to the Bermuda Debate Society. I am sure the Education Minister and colleagues would like to be associated with their very successful debate over the weekend. Congratulations to Co y …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wis h to make a contribution?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Sounds like the Member from down in the East End. Honourable Member Swan, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks being given this morning on behalf of International Women’s Day. But I would like to offer condolences to the family of the late [ Gloria Jean] Paynter from Mullet Bay, St. George’s, Mr. Speaker. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I think many will want to join you on that because she was one of those pleasant faces that you did see in the government trucks, and we were surprised when she became our first female truck driver. Does any other Member want to make a …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Sounds like we have got an Eastern thing going here. Someone else from the east?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Member Foggo, you have your 30 . . . you have 3 minutes. I almos t gave you 30 minutes. It would be three minutes then.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I assure you I do not need 30 minutes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. We would not want you to have 30 at this time. [Laughter]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Mr. Speaker, I too woul d like to give condolences for young Ms. Butler -Douglas , who just made it to her 50 th birthday. She and her mom are constituents of mine. I can say that Malai ka wanted desperately to make certain that she participated in the last …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? I will take it that that silen ce means that we are now moving on from condolences and congratul ations. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUB LIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker That means, Members, we are now at the start of the Orders of the Day. And for the interest of those in the public who are listening, today is act ually the first day of our annual Budget Debate. And we have . . . traditionally there have been eight …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2021/22.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? None. I call on the Deputy Speaker to now assume control of the House, and we move into Committee.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 10:30 am [ Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDIT URE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22 [ Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable Members, we are now in Commi ttee of Supply for further consideration of the Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2021/22. Heads 71, 20 and 52, the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport are now to be debated. Before I call on …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good morning, Mr. Chai rman. This is Susan. I do not have a brief, and I am just wondering where it might be located on the site.
The Chairman Chairman Briefs are not something that are . . . it is entirely up to the Minister to share their briefs. Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Oh. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, continue. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, that brief should be forthcoming. I now present the Fiscal Year 2021/22 Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure for Head 20. Sorry. I need to backtrack; my apologies.
The Chairman Chairman That is all right. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the Financial Year of 2021/22 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport, which can be found starting on page B -241 of the Estimates Book. Mr. Chairman, I will briefly …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Any there further speakers? It would normally be the Shadow Minister of the Opposition.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Good morning, Mr. Chairman. (Susan Jackson.) I am going to step in t oday.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First I would very m uch like to thank the Mini ster for delivering the brief. It was comprehensive and easily understood. And I much appreciate it since this is my first time with the Sport and Culture portfolio. My overall observations beginning with [Head 71], …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, may I remind you we are in Committee. You have got to be specific on the lines, the business numbers. What you are do634 8 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly ing now is basically a general discussion that we had on Friday. You have …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. So I am looking at line [business unit] 6918, which is on page B -20, Parish Council Commitments.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -20, line 6918.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson May I proceed?
The Chairman Chairman Certainly.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. So historically the parish councils have pr ovided so much support. I have heard stories of our elders discussing how [supportive] the parish councils were back in the day, supporting families when there were challenges and just being an active member of the community. And certainly in present …
The Chairman Chairman Once you finish your presentation, the Minister will answer.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Chairman, I did not really want to go through the entire piece because I feel that those who may be listening may lose the train of it. So I just thought it might be easier if we make a discussion through each line item?
The Chairman Chairman Well, I would advise you to continue, and the Minister, with her technical officers, will get the answers for you. And they would answer you at the appropriate time.
The Chairman Chairman Just ask one question, and answer . . . that is not the way we normally do it. You ask quite a few questions. Then we can pause and respond t o you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson All right. Looking under Head 20 —Youth, Sport and Recreation, my overall view there is that —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, just point out the page number so everybody can follow you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am still on p age B -241.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -241. Okay. Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And now I am just speaking to the overall expenditure of Head 20 —Youth, Sport and Recreation.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You are talking about Head 20, okay, under which [line]? We are doing line- by-line. If you are talking in general terms, that is not for . . . we are debating the business units. The overall comments should have been done on Friday. Now, if you want to …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. So Head 20 on page B -241, I am noticing that there is a reduction of $518,000. And I just have to observe that our youth athletes are . . . that is a major part of the infrastructure of our community. And so I am just curious …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, if you go to B - 246, the Minister discussed every line, which includes the $518,000. And she gave reasons for the reductions or additions. It would be best to go to page B -246 and question that if you can. But you can take it from any …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I understand that, Mr. Chairman. But I just wanted to speak to the overall reduction in the budget for Head 20.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. But you have to quote the bus iness unit. That is the only way the Minister . . . we are B ermuda House of Assembly here doing the business units. Whatever business unit you want to discuss you can. You are free to do that. And she discussed …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson If I go to [business unit] 30045, which is —
The Chairman Chairman On page B -246?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Head 20, and it is on page B - 246.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson General administration.
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So I acknowledge that the difference in the amount of money, of the $747,000 that has been taken out of that, is a re- allocation and that the salaries have been moved to the business unit under each of the remits. So that question has been answered. Business unit 30045 …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -246, yes.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So this particular line item, is this also considered to be the governing body, the Board of Directors for the National Stadium? Minister, do you know? [ Pause] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sorry, Member. Can you repeat that question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I am just wondering whether under the governing bodies it includes the National Sports Centre Board of Gov ernors? Hon. Tinee Furbert: No, it does not.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. [ Pause] Ms. Susan E. Jackson: I am sorry. I am just looking at my notes, Mr. Chairman. Under the Governing bodies, is there any accreditation that is in line with any of the sporting bod-ies [which are] recommended or considered as a part of improving the administration and …
The Chairman Chairman What business unit are you talking from, Honourable Member?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am talking about [business unit] 30055. It is under Programme 2002 [Sport D evelopment].
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I gather.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson There has been an increase of $58,000 [sic] for that, and I am just wondering if that is going to be to support the governing bodies, or it is more m onies going to the governing bodies?
The Chairman Chairman And on that line item, there is an i ncrease of $74,000.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson My apologies; $74,000.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson See, this is a large budget. And every year the anti -doping comes up as a concern. And I do note that the anti -doping amount has been reduced this year. And I am just curious. If the anti-doping is decreased this year, what other contingencies might we be able …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member. What line item are you talking to? You are talking about anti- doping.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am under [business unit] 3055, [Programme 2002—] Sports Development.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. B ut if y ou go to C, it s peaks about the [anti-] doping grant. It is page C-2 3. If you want to talk from there, you c an.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. All right. So I will talk from page C-2 3, and the line item, the Bermuda Sport Anti-D oping [Authority].
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So it is quoted in here as $650,000 from last year. And then this year it has been reduced down, I believe about $100,000. And every year there is much discussion around the amount of money that has to be expended for this a nti-doping [authority] to be in place. …
The Chairman Chairman Where do you see the decrease of $100,000?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It was in the brief. I have not actually seen it either because there is no 2021/22 listing of the amount.
The Chairman Chairman So that is in the brief. Okay. That is a question.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It begs the challenge that we have to allocate so much money into the anti -doping association, and at the same time— Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, can I answer that or should I wait to the end?
The Chairman Chairman Well, go ahead. Yes. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Okay. Just wanted to . . . I did mention in the brief that the budget allocation for the Bermuda Sport Anti -Doping Authority, which is bus iness unit 30055, is a grant of $550,000. It is a decrease of $100,000 from the …
The Chairman Chairman I think that is what the Honourable Member said.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. So one, what should we do in order to obtain that decrease? And two, what might we be able to do to reduce it further? And my concern is that we are spending an awful lot of money to test athletes. And of course, yes, I understand …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. So what is the question to the Minister?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, you know, every year we kind of get caught in the same cycle with the Anti - Doping [Authority]. And I just wonder whether there is not any way to collaborate with other islands, or whether . . . I just have no answers. But I am just cur …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Now I would like to go back to page B -246.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I am still on —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, can I call on the Minister to ta ke us to lunch, adjourn for lunch? Yes. Can you just take us to adjournment for lunch?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, are you waiting for someone to move to adjourn for lunch?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Okay. As we can see you, you can do it, Mr. Premier. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn for lunch until 2:00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. We will adjourn for lunch, and we will return at two o’clock. And then at two o’clock the Chair will be Mr. Pearman. Thank you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Proceedings suspended at 12:30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:00 pm [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXP ENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman I am grateful, Minister. Honourable Members, we are now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expendit ure for the year 2021/22 and we are currently considering the Ministry B ermuda House of Assembly of Youth, Culture and Sport. Heads 71, 20 and …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good afternoon. Minister, I would like to pick up and spend a little bit of time on page B -246. So, I would like to find out a little bit more about how the allocation of grants is going to take place. And I would like to begin by asking …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Let me see, I have got the right year —
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. MP Ja ckson, can you just clarify the page of the Budget [Book] you are taking us to and then the line items on the left? Thank you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I am starting on page C - 22 and I want to talk about Grants for a little bit — Grants and Contributions.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, my first one that I would like to ask for some clarification around is 75128 the National Sports Centre Grant which has changed. Last year it was $250,000; it has gone up to $1 million this year, and I am just curious what those funds are for. I am …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. [I’m] still with Grants. Now I am on page B - 246 line [business unit] 30350 Youth Grants. That has been reduced by $100,000. And I am just curious why it has been reduced by 51 per cent. My final question around the Grants, and I guess this is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. That is B -247 . . . that last page, did you say?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, which line nu mber or which area are we talking about on B -247?
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Grants under Subjective Analysis of . . . oh, I am sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Oh no, go ahead please, Honourable Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Grants and Contributions. It is down by — Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you.
Ms. S usan E . Jackson Woul d you like me to just keep goi ng wit h different . . . whol e different sections, Minister? Or would you like to address those now and we talk about it? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes, you can keep going.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. So, noting those deductions, I also see (and some of this is probably self -explanatory) on page C - 22, and this is [Business unit] 75349 Community Clubs and Community Investment Grants. This has been raised, I guess, 200 per cent, from $500,000 up to $1.5 million. 638 8 …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Well, the $50,000 that is allocated to that, Clerk, is from last year.
The Chairman Chairman Member are you looking for Bermuda Swimming Association?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I am, sir. The Chairman: Is it C -20 in the middle, line item 6886, that you are after? The Clerk: There you go.
The Chairman Chairman [Page] C -20 in the middle at the bottom, 6886.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson There we go. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Your question, Member?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, all of the funds have been taken away from (the number is 6886 on page C-20) the Bermuda Swimming Association. But I know that we have had swimming pr ogrammes at White’s Island for a number of years, and I am just curious why there will be nothing . …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Minister, would you like to address those points now? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, can you give me a minute, please?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, I am going to go ahead and try to answer some of the questions that were posed. Please forgive me if I do not get them in the particular order in which they were asked. But I go back …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. For the listening publi c, we are in the Commi ttee of Supply and currently [considering] the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport [with] the Honourable Member of the Government, Minister Tinee Furbert, and MP Susan Jackson. MP Jackson, do you have further questions arising from …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Chairman, I do, but I have a colleague that would just like to ask a question or two.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Cannonier here.
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, good afternoon.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I want to thank the Minister for the brief that she has given us. [Head 20], on [page] B -246 . . . unfortunately, I think I may have missed something there. Under business unit 2007 Camping, item 30160, Camping at Paget Island, I believe you mentioned that there was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I believe that sounds like the Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, I have a question for the Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go ahead Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Under line item 6880 Elite Athlete Assistance, on page C -20, what is the Mini ster’s position in regard to participating in the Tokyo Olympics? And what support are we giving our at hletes who will probably be participating in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Do you have any further questions to go on top? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, I do not. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Honourable Minister would you like to address the three questions from MP Cannonier and the question from the Opposition Leader? Is this convenient now? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can you just give me one quick second? I just have to pull my notes. The C hairman: …
The Chairman Chairman Page C-14? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes, Business unit 76347. That, again, was for Paget Island and it had an allocation of $39,000 with the revised estimate of $30,000. And the plant has been put —
The Chairman Chairman That is C -14, line item 76347, is that correct? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: The reverse osmosis plant has been put in. The funds came out of the Capital E xpenditure, and I have mentioned what those costs were already. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I think there was a further question from MP Cannonier about adding an employee at page B -248. I think that was the last question he posed. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Oh, yes. And that was under Camping, correct?
The Chairman Chairman I think so, I think he said 2007, yes, Camping. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Just give me one minute so I can get that answer for you.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -248 of the Budget Book. [Pause] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you. Thank you for your patience.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: In regard to B -248 under 2007 the increase in the full -time equivalents, yes, that is correct. We have been given permission to have a position filled, so the money is there for that and the highlight of the increase in personnel …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. The Honourable Minister Tinee Furbert, speaking for the Government in the Committee of Supply. We are looking at the Ministry of Youth, Cu lture and Sport and Recreation. Are there any further questions for the Mini ster?
The Chairman Chairman Is that MP Cannonier?
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I just want a bet ter understanding. Under the same unit as I mentioned in E mployee Numbers 2007, the revised amount says 8. So, that would indicate that they were anticipating one less for fiscal year 2021. I am just trying to understand what was happening there because the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier. Honourable Minister, that was a further question in relation to page B -248 in the Budget Book in respect to the Employee Numbers in that box Full - Time Equivalents and line item 2007 Camping. The floor is yours. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you. The reason I asked the question was because I do recognise that they have now moved to a position of . . . not funding vacant positions, and that is where I was trying t o understand if that was the reason. She has now given that, so, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I believe that is the Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader, you have the fl oor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: [Head 20], may I refer you to page B -247 Energy. Madam Minister, can you give us some idea as to what plans we have in the Ministry to address …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Minister, you have the question from the O pposition Leader in relation to page B -247 of the Bud get Book, line item Energy and his question on energy. Honourable Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. C hairman. In the budget …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Do any other Honourable Members have questions for the Honourable Minister in th e debate in the Committee of Supply for Youth, Sport and Recreation?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, it is Susan Jackson. I have a question for the Minister and it is still on this same piece around the National Sports Centre. So, you had mentioned the though t around installing solar panels. My concern is, although it is a great thing for reducing the energy costs …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] C -7, 75128?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, National Sports Centre Capital Grant.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Youth and Sport Capital Grant.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, that has gone from $250,000 up to $1 million. So, is that the cost of the solar panels? But my main concern here, and I am sorry I am not letting it go, but until I have a fuller understand ing . . . the National Sports Centre has …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Point of order, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I believe that is MP Swan. What is your point of order? POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Yes, I am trying to follow the Shadow Minister . But on [page] C-7 in the line item that the Honourable Member is referring to, there is TAF, which I believe is total allocated funding. I stand to be corrected. So the Member might inadvertently be misrepresenting the situation. There …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for the point of clarific ation, Honourable MP Swan. MP Jackson —
The Chairman Chairman —MP Swan has referred you to page C-7 line item 7128 —
The Chairman Chairman —which is Youth and Sport and has referred to the TAF, which, if you have the book in front of you, is the left -hand column. MP Jackson, would you like to take that into consideration when posing your question?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Well, it does not . . . I do not believe that that has anything to do with what it is I am talking about. I am really concern ed about the efficiencies. I am concerned about making sure that if we are going to be giving that substantial amount …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member MP Jackson, is there a specific question arising from your point that you would like the Minister to address?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. On C -7, line 75128, u nder the National Sports Centre Capital Grant, I would just like to know what that additional $750,000 —which amounts to a $1 million allocation —is, one, going to be spent on; and two, who is going to be the oversight to that or …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Tinee Furbert: I want to thank that Member for her question. The C -7 Capital Grant of $1 million is to help with the equipment and facility upgrades. And it is . . . the cost of running t hat facility, Mr. Chairman, is very expensive, as we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. MP Jackson, did you have further questions arising from that or do you . . . ? Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Yes, I do. I am still with the National Sports Centre—
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I would like to go to page C -20, and I am still with the National Stadium so, [line] 6884. Now, Minister, you had mentioned that the $1.1 million that is allocated to the Sports Centre, that we just discussed, is for facilities and upgrades. I get that. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Game field mirrors , HVAC r eplacements, pavilion changing rooms . . . do you need me to explain anything?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, no, I am good. Hon. Tinee Furbert: There was a walk -in fridge, grandstand concessions that had to be gutted and be outfitted; and two coolers and refrigerators in regard to that as well. Grandstand seating replacements , the aquatic centre changing rooms and office repairs, i ncluding mats …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. So, if under 6884 the National Stadium Trustees $1.1 — Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, can I just cl arify that there is a difference between the National Sports Centre Grant for operations and then there is a grant for capital. So, the grant is for operations at $1.1 …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And so, what is the capital investment going to be? Hon. Tinee Furbert: The capital is all the items that I just listed.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson If the capital projects are everything that you just listed, then what is . . . then I do not understand what the National Stadium Trus644 8 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly tees, line 6884, on page C -20, for the $1.1 million, what is that …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Did she not just say the energy costs are under what you just mentioned this N ational Sports Centre? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, that is the total for the Ministry.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, with regard to the idea that we would have the solar panels, then that is not budgeted at all in here? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Government is not funding that. That is actually being done on a loan for the Trustees, but Government is providing a guarantee.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Minister, be fore we move off of the National Sports Centre, has there been any di scussion around a strategy for the future? It seems as though we are spending millions and millions and mi llions of dollars on a sports centre, and I am just not sure how it …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And we do not eve n have the financials except back to 2012 to even see what is being invested or what is being done in the facility. So, there is no accountability. The money could be going anywhere —anywhere—and we have absolutely no idea. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Hono urable Member Jackson, the cost of the facility, which I mentioned earlier . . . it is a very expensive facility to run and manage. And the Ministry is working closely with the new board that was just recently put in place, and they …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you very much, Mini ster. That was enlightening, because I did not have any idea and, you know, driving by there on a regular basis it is always super quiet. And so, it is nice to know that there is some use there. [Addressing the Honourable Leader of the …
The Chairman Chairman —Opposition Leader, if you could hold on for a minute. — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —To hold people accoun table for ensuring that our financial statements —
The Chairman Chairman —Honourable Leader, if you could stop for a moment. We have a point of order. — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: —Point of order, Mr. Chairman. — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —are up to date i n a m ethodical fashion. —
The Chairman Chairman —Opposition Leader, we have— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —Thank you. —
The Chairman Chairman —a point of order, I think that is the Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman I give the floor to the Deputy Speaker. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Chairman, we are discussing the budget. Now, if the Honourable Opp osition Leader wants to find out about it he can send a parliamentary question, whatever. This is not . . . that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Deputy Speaker. Honourable Opposition Leader, you heard the point of order from the Deputy Speaker, and if you could confine yourself to questions that are related t o the Budget Book and budget items — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, I was relating—
The Chairman Chairman I believe the question— Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I was referring to line item 30045 General Administration—
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —of the department of Youth and Sport.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman The floor is your s, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have answered this question already.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Tinee Furbert: The Member is correct that we just recently tabled the annual reports of the National Sports Centre from 2012 to 2015 and the current board is diligently working on bringing them up to date. And so, we are working with them, we are ho ping to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Honourable Members, we are in the Commi ttee of Supply for the M inistry of Youth, Culture and Sport. We have approximately one hour remaining in the debate. Are there any Honourable Members who wish to put questions to Government Minister Tinee Furbert?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of ques tions. 646 8 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I would like to spend a little bit of time on page B-246 and I am focusing on line 2005, Youth Deve lopment. There are two lines there, 30210 and 30350.
The Chairman Chairman To confirm Honourable Member, [page] B-246, and you are under Youth Development in the middle of the page on the left under line items 30210 and 30350. Is that correct?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, yes, that is right.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Honourable Mem ber.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. So, my first question, and, again, I am just interested in these grants because there is such a big difference and it is a large amount of money. My ques tion here under 2005, Youth Development, is that the Youth Gran ts—and if the Minister wants to just …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any further questions arising from those line items before we invite the Honourable Mi nister to respond? No? Honourable Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had mentioned in the Budget Brief that the Youth Development Administration increase …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Do any Honourable Members have further questions for the Minister?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I still have some questions.
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. And I am still interested in the Youth Grants. So, on page C -24 it lists what I believe to be at least last year’s grants and contributions. I do not see this year’s grants and contributions itemised. But when I look at the list of youth organisations …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Do any other Honourable Members have questions for the Minister, either specifically on the Grants at page C -24 or, indeed, more generally? No? Honourable Minister, would you like to—
Mr. Jarion Richardson Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes, I am sorry, someone is interjec ting. Yes, MP Richardson. You have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the Honourable Minister for her present ation and answering these questions. I had a question as it related to Head 71, Mr. Chairman, on Administration. I just noticed . . . rather, I have noticed that there is in the 2020/21 estimate of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Richardson. We are in the Committee of Supply for the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport. We have approx-imately 45 minutes left in the debate [with] the Honourable Minister for the Government, Tinee Furbert. Minister, I believe you have three questions there: one from MP Jackson on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: In regard to the staffing for the full-time equivalents, there was a mention of 10. For Administration ther e are currently six; four of those posts are actually going to . . . are committed to other ministries. So I just wanted to clarify …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Honourable Member have questions for the Minister on the Heads relating to the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport, [those] being Heads 71, 20 and 52?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Mr. Chairman, MP Richardson again.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, MP Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. I would thank the Honourable Minister. So, she just explai ned that the current staffing is at six for the Ministry HQ and that there are four placed in other places within Government. My concern is that we have a salary allocation of $979,000 estimated for 2021/22 and …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Sure, absolutely, my apol ogies.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member.
Mr. Jarion Richardson I am on page B -243.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. And the line item . . . business unit line item, is it Administration 81000?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, it is Administration 81000.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Jarion Richardson And I am just trying to get a clearer picture around where those other . . . we are budgeting for 10, and we have got six, where are the other four and what are they doing? That is my first question. And then I have two more questions which, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Richardson. Does any other Honourable Member have questions for the Honourable Minister on this partic ular area before the Minister addresses the questions posed?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman. I have one final question.
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I am on page C -22 and it is line . . . I am going just back to the Community Clubs and Community Inves tment Grant, 75349.
The Chairman Chairman [Line] 75349 on page C -22?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I am just curious. You know, at all times, please make it clear, I am very ex-cited and I absolutely look forward to the development of the community clubs, especially if they can get a little wellness programme in there for the ladies and the mums. But also, I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Minister, you have questions there from MP Richardson about page B -243 in relation to line item 81000 Administration and, additionally, questions over the page on performance indications. And then you have a question from MP Jackson on page C -22. Bermuda House of Assembly Minister, …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] 243, yes, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes?
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -243. Hon. Tinee Furbert: There are four posts. I mentioned already that six posts are remaining with the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport. Four of those posts . . . two are going to other ministries, one being Social Development and one being Labour and the other …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Honourable Members, we are in the Commi ttee of Supply for the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport. For the listening audience, we have for the Government the Honourable Minister Tinee Furbert. For those looking in the Budget Book, we are covering Heads 20, 71 and …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman, I do. But I am still on Sport, I am still in Head 20.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes, go ahead, MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Just a quick one. Still on page C -22 under line 75349 for the Community Clubs, and I do not mean to pick on them at all, I am just . . . but this is a wonderful opportunity for the community clubs to receive a substantial amount of money, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Honourable Minister, the question is in rel ation to [page] C -22, line item 75349, third from the bottom, on Community Clubs and Community Investment Grants. Honourable Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I actually would like to defer …
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, one other little question. I noticed . . . and you just mentioned, on page B -242, the Mirrors Programme, which is line 81020. You had said that they did not get a financial allocation b ecause they have moved to another Ministry. Is that correct? Hon. Tinee Furbert: …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. I guess my bottom line really was . . . I was asking whether the Mirrors Pr ogramme is still healthy and still active. Hon. Tinee Furbert: I will defer that question to the Ministry of Legal Affairs and Constitutional Reform.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Does any other Honourable Member have questions for the Honourable Minister on the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport, Heads 71, 20 and 52?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I do, Mr. Chairman. The Ch airman: Thank you, MP Richardson. You have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you, and I thank the Honourable Minister. As it relates to page B -248, looking at Rev enue Summary, using information from the Employee Numbers (Full -time Equivalents), as was noted earlier we had increased the number of full -time equivalents in business unit 2007, Camping. The question I …
The Chairman Chairman Sure, of course. I think the question posed relates to page B -248 and the line item is 8251 under the Revenue Summary, the top one. Honourable Members, while the Minister is addressing that point, just to say for those listening that we are in the Committee of Supply for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. MP Richardson, do you have any further questions? Hon. Tinee Furbert: However, there has also been no change —
The Chairman Chairman I am sorry, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: —for summer day camps. So, there has been a reduction for camping, but no change in summer day camps.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. MP Richardson?
Mr. Jarion Richardson I will defer back to MP Jac kson and then come in with another question.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Do any Honourable Members have questions for the Minister?
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. So, again, looking on page B -248 under Revenue, I look at line item 8665, After School Vouchers. Over the past couple of years we have seen increased revenue from after school vouchers, which is a positive thing. Next year it is pr ojected to drop 11 per cent, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Honourable Minister, the question poses at page B -247, line item 30125, Afterschool Pr ogrammes. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just going to refer the budget brief, if you can give me one minute please. The Chair man: While the Honourable Minister is checking the point in the brief, are there any other questions from Honourable …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I just have one little question, Mr. Chairman. I am just curious, on page B -247 under Travel. It is under Subjective Analysis of Current Accounts.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Member?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Under Travel, I was just cur ious . . . yes, we certainly have reduced the amount that is going to be allocated for t ravel this year, 2021/22. But I am still just curious why we have budgeted $45,000 for travel. Maybe an explanation, I do not know if …
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson, can you repeat —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Go on, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Could you repeat the question, please?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Sure. I was just curious what the $45,000 budget for Trave l would be for. And, you know, it is probably quite obvious, but I was just cur ious what that allocation is . . . who is using that travel expenditure? Is it for athletes? Or is it for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Honourable Minister, you have two questions from MP Jackson, both on page B -247 in the Budget Book. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the increase in budget for the A fterschool Programmes, I can report that there is an increase due …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Honourable Members, we have just under 20 minutes left now in the debate. Are there any Honourable Members who have questions for the Minister arising in relation to the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport’s budget for the year 2021/22?
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Mr. Chairman. MP Richardson.
The Chairman Chairman MP Richardson, yes, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson I have a question for the Honourable Minister on page B -248, looking at the business unit for Employee Numbers (Full -time Equivalents), 2001, Administration and Sports. I see that the Ministry is (or this Head is, I am sorry) losing seven positions. I am conscious that the HQ function …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. 652 8 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I believe I explained the move of the positions in regard to one po licy analyst is going to . . . is currently with Legal A ffairs and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. While the Honourable Minister is looking up the answer to the question or researching it, we are in the Com mittee of Supply with just under 20- odd minutes left in this debate, which is the debate for the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport for …
Mr. Jarion Richardson And we do not have to rush the Minister. It was quite a substantive ques tion, I mean it might not actually the [INAUDIBLE ]. But I also have another question if we could stack them up, because the next question does relate to the disconti nued performance measurements under …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Minister, should we let MP Richardson proceed with his next question? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Sure, he can proceed with his next question.
The Chairman Chairman MP Richardson, please proceed.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, thank you. And I thank the Honourable Minister for her continued diligence with this exercise. Mr. Chairman, I am mindful that there are a number of discontinued items coming from the last budget. But I wanted to raise the question as to why they are discontinued because, again, it …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Richardson. Honourable Minister, when you are ready y ou have the floor. [Pause] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: If we go to Head 20, if we look at the original of 2020/21, the total full -time number of employees is 95. That estimate has not changed for 2021/22, at 95. There are some positions that have moved within the Ministry, but …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Mi nister. Do any other Honourable Members have questions for the Minister in respect of the Committee of Supply consideration of the Ministry of Youth, Cu lture and Sport, Heads 71, 20 and 52?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of ques tions.
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I am segueing into Head 52 for a quick moment.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Because we only have 10 minutes, I am going to go into the performance measures, which are on pages B -258 through B -259. It is a general question, and it is a continuation of the discontinued. I noticed that within our per-formance measurements for the Department of Culture for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. May I understand, just your questions are on pages B -256, B -257, B -258 and B -259, are they? Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Jackson. Honourable Minister? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is correct . . . I am sorry, that does not mean that the performance measure or the activities are discontinued, MP Jackson. It just means that we are going through a restructuring of the performance …
The Chairman Chairman MP Jackson?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I am going to let my colleague go.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Thank you. Mr. Chairman, MP Richardson.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. MP Richardson, you have the floor.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, I would ask the Honourable Minister to give us some assurance that these services to the community will continue, given the point of discontinuation. And I am sure this Honour able House would become concerned . . . here is a great example, Mr. Chairman. We are looking at …
The Chairman Chairman [Business unit] 62100 on page B -253.
Mr. Jarion Richardson Yes, Mr. Chairman. And we are looking at some estimated expenses, about $93,000, okay? And that is just to start the picture. What we are actually talking about is best . . . when I say I want to make sure that the Honourable Minister gives us her assur ances …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Richardson. Do any other Honourable Members have questions for the Minister before we turn to the Mini ster for her answers?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Just one quick question, I just . . . it is at page B -253, 62130 under the Senior Citizens Project. I just —
The Chairman Chairman Page B -253, yes. 654 8 March 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Yes, I just want to express my regret that the Seniors Luncheon will not be held, that there is not the budget allocation. It just feels to me that there might …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your questions, MP Jackson and MP Richardson. Minister, we only have a few more minutes left before the debate ends and I turn it over to you for answers to those two questions. One was about page B-253, 62100 the Uncover the Arts reduction and the discontinuance …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. The Chair man: Thank you, Honourable Minister. I think that concludes our four hours of debate on the Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport. Those listening at home have heard the debate the Gover nment Minister, the Honourable Tinee Furbert, and largely questions fr om MP Susan …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister, would you kindly move the three heads debated for approval? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that Heads 71, 20 and 52 be approved as pri nted.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. It has been moved that Heads 71, 20 and 52 be approved as printed. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Youth, Culture and Sport, Heads 20, 60, 52 and 71 were approved and stand part of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. The Clerk: Thank you, everybody. We will move on to the next Heads. And I believe now we will have a new C hairman. Is MP Swan ready to proceed? [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan , Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Yes, and good afternoon to all co lleagues and those listening. We are here to consider the non- ministries, Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98, and 101. Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly NON -MINISTRIES Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, let me first …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister, for that. You have deferred to the Honourable Minister Tinee Furbert. Minister Furbert, would you like to move the Head and then proceed. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I have al ready moved it. It’s for her to debate it.
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. Thank you. HEAD 56 —HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget brief for Head 56 on behalf of the Human Rights Commission, a non- ministry office found on pages B -17, B -18, and B …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We are consi dering Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101. And the Minister responsible for Human Rights has the floor. Minister, continue. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Commission is Bermuda’s national human rights institution and the statutory …
The Chairman Chairman What? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: We do not see —
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Mr. Opposition Leader, are you making a point? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, just for clarity. We do not see the output measures in the Budget Book at all.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you share the output measures, which page they are listed on? Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Because it goes to page B - 19 and then on page B -20 it is the Parliamentary Registrar. So it is a mistake; so it is not in the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we are considering Head 56, on page B -17 and the subjective analysis — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: She can continue on, I am just bringing it to your attention, because I didn’t see any [output measures] in the [Budget] Book. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman If you can get them forwarded to the Clerk, maybe they can be . . . I will share it on the [SharePoint]. In the meantime, you can continue. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Okay. Thank y ou, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as referenced, the Commission has a statutory duty to assist …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much, Minister. You have had a busy day thus far. We are considering Head 56, Human Rights (in the first instance). So the Shadow Minister would like to address that, you may do so at this time. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: As the Minister said, the mission of this mission statement of the Human Rights Commission is to protect and honour human rights and to advocate the eliminat ion of discrimination through e ducation and enforcement. Okay, I refer you, …
The Chairman Chairman Were you able to hear that, Minister? Hon. Tinee Furbert: No, I did not. Would you repeat that last question?
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Opposition Leader, the Minister asks if you — Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Page B -18—
The Chairman Chairman —could repeat the last question. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —training.
Mr. L. C raig Cannonier Cole, Cole. Wait. He can’t hear it. He is asking a question.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I can’t hear him.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Turn your volume up. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Hang on.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Opposition Leader, can you hear? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, yes.
The Chairman Chairman The Minister wanted to know . . . you asked a question about the 66040, and she wanted you to repeat that question. It was concerning the $88,000. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. So, my question was, there was no allocation last year and there is an all ocation …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you very much. Then you can proceed to the next question after that because we crossed threads then. Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. Training. The current allotment for training is $20,000. It is up $12,000, or 150 per cent. I go on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. We are considering Head 56, Human Right s. Is there any other Member who would like to address this Head? [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, there appear to be no other person prepared to speak. Would you like to answer the questions? Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the first question on page B -17, there was noted a restructuring of the monies on Bermuda House of Assembly business unit …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We are considering Head 56 at this time, although we are on Non- Ministries, which entails Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98, and 101. Minister Tinee Furbert is leading the debate on the Human Rights which falls under her purview in the Ministry. And following …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, address the Chair, please, and the Chair will bring it to the attention. Thank you. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will . . . give me one second and I will give you the top five. There were actually nine there. Give me a minute …
The Chairman Chairman We are considering Human Rights under Head 56 on page B -17. Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All of the objectives that I have mentioned in regard to the brief are important objectives and have equal importance as objectives for the Human Rights Commission. So I cannot …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did outline, in regard to the legislative changes which the Commission would like to bring forward, they are actually working on l egislative changes to the selection process for the commissioners, and how we handle tribunals. So that is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member care to speak to Head 56, Human Rights? I believe there are no other takers, Minister. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, this is the Opposition Leader. So my question to you from an operational point, Mr. Chairman, is how …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Opposition Leader, what we will do in this particular time allocated is to continue on with the debate and that technical point could be a nswered in due course. But I believe we can continue on with the other Heads with the Minister responsible. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. N. H. …
The Chairman Chairman Well, acceptance will not come until we finish all the Heads under this section anyway, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And that is what I asked, can we get the output measures before we move all the Heads. That is all I am asking.
The Chairman Chairman Well, that is 3.5 hours away and the Minister did undertake to share them so, hopefully, between now and that time the Minister who is coming off the debate at this time can undert ake to do that. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. Hon. Tinee Furbert: …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We will call on Minister Wayne Furbert from the Cabinet Office Ministry to deal with the other substantive Heads during the time remaining. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First Mr. Chairman, I will go through all the Heads, except for the Human Rights Commission …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. That is on page B -14 for anyone wishing to get in sync. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I am on page B -15, Mr. Chairman. Yours is page B -14, Mr. Chairman? [No audible response] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am on page B -15.
The Chairman Chairman Okay , page B -15. Cont inue on, Mini ster. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, so page B -15, as I mentioned, the amount of reduction compared to last year on the original amount in 2020/21 is $217,000. Our revenue is $1.069 [million] compared to $1.138 [million] is down $69,000. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I think you did a good job i n going through that many Heads and allo wing sufficient time. I believe there are two hours and a quarter remaining (it is now 5:48) of a four -hour debate. Are there any other Member who care to address …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will go through in the same order that the substantive Minister did. I will do Head 1, Governor and Staff. As he said, the mission statement is to enable the Governor in the …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, would you just take us to the . . . I believe it is page B -6, but it would be helpful if you list the pages and the line items that you are referring to. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Right. I am on page B -7, …
The Chairman Chairman I am obliged, thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: So we have noted that the expenditure was reduced by 4 per cent from $1,103[,000] to $998,000. And we noted that the Deputy Governor’s budget was at $281[,000] down $11,000, or 8 per cent. On page B -8, we note …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman I believe I heard someone give me a point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, I was trying to find out, where is the Opposition Leader speaking from? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Line 12 of —
The Chairman Chairman Hold it, Opposition Leader. Thank you, Deputy Speaker, I will make that inquiry. Can you please, Opposition Leader, update us on which line you were on. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Page B -10, line 12000, Administration. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mm-hmm. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I was …
The Chairman Chairman And with that, Opposition Leader, I just want to let folks know that this is a four -hour debate. The Clerk can confirm the time of conclusion. My notes have us around . . . finishing in two hours from now. And is that correct, Mr. Somner? The Assistant Clerk: …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you very much. I believe we have a change of command coming very soon, Mr. Opposition Leader. It probably will occur during your deliberation. Continue on, and thank you. Hon. N . H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will continue on that line item, Administration. I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Address the Chairman. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Opposition Leader. Continue on. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. So I have noted that the estimate for 2021 is $9,000, which is $6,000 less than last year. I was very, very disappointed in that we reduced this because it involves our young people. It involves the …
The Chairman Chairman And with that, Opposition Le ader, I believe MP Jackson from constituency 20 is here to assume the chairmanship. Am I correct? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: As far as I know.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, you are correct. I am here.
The Chairman Chairman I am just waiting for the Sergeant -atArms t o come so I can make my bow and then get out of my chair. But with that — Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjection and laughter ] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: You just hand over to her. You do …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Opposition Leader, you are in the hands of Ms. Jackson. [Ms. Susan E. Jackson, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please proceed, Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. Obviously, line item 12015 is the Opposition Leader’s Office. And I have no questions on that. I have the information at my disposal, so I will not spend any time there. Other [personnel] expenses, I …
The Chairman Chairman Can you please provide a page? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes. I will be happy to. And the page is C -4, and we are talking about Capital D evelopment for the Parliament Building, line 7530. That was reduced from $3.2 million to $100,000. And my question is . …
The Chairman Chairman Is there anyone else who would like to speak to Head 2? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman, I think we are going to do that at the end.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. So you are going to keep g oing? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to now move to the Offices of the Auditor General, Head 5. The mi ssion statement of the Office of the Auditor General, derived from the Bermuda Constitution Order 1968 and the Audit Act 1990, is “to add credibility to Government’s …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes?
The Chairman Chairman Just while you are in transition, I did want to bring to your attention that there is an asterisk next to the number of non- financial audits. And it is inclusive of IT audits, performance audits and special audits. It is underneath the Performance Measures table. Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. There were no capital developments. There was a capital expenditure of $19,000. And this was required to purchase some computer equipment. What type of equipment was purchased, and what was the purpose and benefit of the equipment being pu rchased? …
The Chairman Chairman While the Opposition Leader makes the transition, I just would let the public know that we are in Committee of Supply. And we are debating the Budget Heads, Head 1 for Governor and Staff, the Legislature, Office of the Auditor General, Human Rights, Parliamentary Registrar, Ombudsman’s Office, Internal Audit, Information …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order, sir. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. A lot of these questions that the Honourable Leader is asking we read out during the initial brief. I was just wondering whether the Honourable Leader actually heard me [read my brief]. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Pardon …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. That is not true. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: No, no. I listened very attentively. If you did, I must admit it. — [Inaudible interje ction] Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: —My colleague said these questions are legitimate because they do not reme mber having a lot of these …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Please continue. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay , item 73017, Election Reform and Research. Can the Minister provide details on where we stand on implementing absentee ballots? Is this included in the research? And can he provide any further details on the research that is …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, where was that talking about, the 9 . . . that last one? Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: That was the Capital e xpenditure on [page] C -9, page C -9, for $2,000 for furniture and equipment.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you. Proceed. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Now I would like to move to Head [92], Internal Audit. The mission statement is to provide independent objective assurance and advisory services to improve operations and internal control systems within gov ernment. Page B -27, Administr ation, the estimate …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Would anyone else like to speak to the nonMinistries? Those are Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101. The Chair recognises Honourable Member Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you very much, Ma dam Chairman. On [page] B -11, under the legislative Head 2, the Honourable Member mentioned at the very bottom, employee numbers. And he mentioned under Administration unit number 12000 that the position would be deferred. But yet, the same amount is in the estimate. I …
The Chairman Chairman Would anyone else like to speak? Minister, would you like to address some of these questions? While we are waiting for the Minister . . . good evening to the listening public. We are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the …
The Chairman Chairman All right. Thank you very much. The Minister is just preparing to respond t o the Opposition Leader’s questions. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, Madam Chairman, have all questions been asked?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No one else has any question at this time?
The Chairman Chairman No. That is it.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am sorry, Madam Chai rman. He is asking if all of the questions have been asked. Yes, we said that; but there may be questions that arise out of his answers.
The Chairman Chairman Understood.
The Chairman Chairman So, Minister, they h ave asked all of the questions they want to ask now. They would like to have your response. And yes, there may be questions that come out of your responses. But the questions coming out from the Budget Book have all been shared. Hon. Wayne L. …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, can you mute? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Rental $184,000 versus $222,000. The amount in that where you mentioned should be $222,000. So, there was an error in the print on there, but it should have been $222,000. So, there is an error on page C-26. Output Measures. Sixty …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may speak. The Assistant Clerk: We received the Performance Measures from Minister Furbert, and Mr. Lamb has said that he has shared them through the SharePoint site. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Mrs. Beale. Minister, when you are ready. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay, Madam Chairman. I move that Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been [moved] that Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101 be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. [Motion carried: The Non-Ministry Department , Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101 were approved and stand part of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Committee rise and report progress, and ask for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. It has been moved that the Committee rise, report progress, and ask for leave to sit again. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] B ermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress , …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker . House resumed at 7:20 pm [ Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2021/22
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Madam Chairman. Good afternoon, Members. Good evening, I should say.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, good evening. Over to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, are there any objections to us rising and reporting from Committee? There are none. That brings to a close today’s debate on the first day of the Budget Session for this year. We will now move on to the other items on the Order Paper, which I …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Mr. Deputy Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Walter H. Rob an: I would like to move that the House rise to sit on Wednesday the 10th of March.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? No objections.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I don’t have any objection, but I would like to speak on the motion to adjourn.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I haven’t even asked that question yet. You thought I was going to hit the gavel real quick, eh?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, I remember —
The Speaker The Speaker I thought about it. I thought ab out it. Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: — you hitting the gavel before asking that question before! [ Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Swan. Can I assume that you would like to make a contribution on the motion to adjourn?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Swan, you have your 20 minutes. INTERNATIONAL DAY OF WOMEN
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good evening to you and to colleagues and liste ning audience. Mr. Speaker, today [are] two very important [events]: International Day of Women and Commonwealth Day. Mr. Speaker, with this being the Intern ational Day of Women, I will start off by honouring my mother …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, that other historically important day is Commonwealth Day. I just want to say that my wife and my daughter certainly are very much loving royal ty. My wife through Project Action has had many themed tea parties celebrating all the virtues of the Royals and has raised much …
Speaker The Speaker Institutional racism is something that is deep . When you talk about the Commonwealth, Mr. Speaker, you have to appreciate that the Commonwealth was built on racism . It was built on slavery . It was built as a business . It used human cargo as a means of making …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I hear no intent from anyone else. I assume that means everyone else wants to go home early tonight. Thank you, Members. We will rise aga in on Wednesday morning at 10:00 am. Enjoy your evening, Members. The House is now concluded. [ Gavel] The Speaker: …
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