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Senate Session 2020/2021 190 speeches

January 13, 2021

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Session Summary

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The Senate passed several bills aimed at economic recovery and regulatory updates. They approved temporary health insurance extensions for people who couldn't pay premiums during early COVID-19 lockdowns, and established new fee structures for submarine cables to attract international tech companies to Bermuda. The senators also updated investment fund rules to maintain Bermuda's good standing with the European Union and adjusted various regulatory fees. A new Tax Reform Commission will be created to review the tax system, though opposition senators questioned whether previous recommendations from 2018 were actually implemented.

Chamber Senate
Date Jan 13, 2021
Session 2020/2021
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Speakers 5
Speeches 190

Key Topics

Health insurance changes to help people during COVID-19 lockdownsNew fees for submarine communication cables to make Bermuda a hub for internet infrastructureInvestment fund regulations to keep Bermuda compliant with European Union requirementsBermuda Monetary Authority fee adjustments for insurance and digital asset businessesRe-establishing a Tax Reform Commission to review Bermuda's tax system

Bills & Motions

Health Insurance (Miscellaneous) Amendment Act 2020 - passed third reading
Submarine Communications Cables (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2020 - approved
Electronic Communications (Regulatory Authority Fees) Amendment Regulations 2020 - approved
Government Fees Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 2020 - approved
Investment Funds Amendment Act 2020 - passed third reading
Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 - passed third reading
Tax Reform Commission Amendment Act 2020 - passed third reading

Notable Moments

Technical difficulties disrupted the live streaming during the session, though radio broadcast continued working
Opposition Senator Marcus Jones questioned why a 2020 health insurance bill was only being passed in January 2021, calling for better stakeholder consultation on future changes
Senators debated whether creating a new Tax Reform Commission makes sense when the Finance Minister already said there would be no tax increases in the 2021/22 budget

Debate Transcript

190 speeches from 5 speakers
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Good morning, Madam President. Yes, I sent that message to Mr. Lamb about 15 minutes [ ago]. The President: Minister Peets, Mr. Lamb is checking on that. And so, hopefully, he will get back to us.
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Senator Smith. The President: We will now move on to item nu mber 4. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Pres ident. Madam President , I move that the Bill ent itled Investment Funds Amendment Act 2020 be now read a second time. The …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Yes, Madam Pres ident. The President: Minister P eets, you have the floor.
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you so much. I certainly want to join in the sentiments communicated by Senator Darrell. Just in general as it relates to the amendments in this particular Bill, ev eryone needs to sort of un derstand that 2020 was a very stressful year. And it continues to be very …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, do you want to proceed now? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 5 [of the Employment Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 , be approved. Clause 1 is the citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends section 3 of the principal Act by inserting …
The Chairman Chairman Have you moved clauses 1 through 10, Senator Hodgson? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Sorry, Madam Chairman. I did clauses 1 through 5, but we can —
The Chairman Chairman [Clauses] 1 through 5? I think you went ov er, actually. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: It is clauses 1 through 5 that I just read.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Would any Senator like to speak to these clauses? Senator Robin Tucker. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, we can har dly hear you. Bermuda Senate Sen. Robin Tucker: Can you hear me now?
The Chairman Chairman No. Not really. I think that is better. Would you like to try again and unmute your microphone? The Clerk: She is still muted.
The Chairman Chairman You are still muted, Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Is that any better?
The Chairman Chairman That is much better. Thank you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Apologies; I do apologise. If I may, I would like to continue from where I spoke a little bit earlier. Madam Chairman, my comments are specif ically around section 4 and the proposed amendment that removes this part of section 6 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Would any other Senator wish to speak to clauses 1 thr ough 5? Okay. The Clerk: Senator Hodgson can reply and move the clauses 1 through 5 again.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Hodgson, would you like to reply now? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Yes, Madam Chairman. The guiding notes are not legislation. The provision is drafted to make clear that these do not have legislative power. Again, there are numerous legislative precedents that provide for where there is a need …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would you now move clauses 1 through 5, please? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 5 be approved. The Chair man: Are there any objections? There do not seem to be any, Senator Hod gson. So clauses 1 through 5 are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator wish to speak to clauses 6 through 7? Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Just one question. Because bull ying is also included in the Hum an Rights Act, I just ask, will this cause any complication between the le gislative wording in the …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator wish to speak to clauses 6 through 7? 120 13 January 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate No. There do not seem to be any other speakers. Senator Hodgson, I think you have already responded to Senator Wight’s question. So would you like to move cl …
The Chairman Chairman I think you are muted, Senator Hodgson. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: I was. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that clauses 6 and 7 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to approving clauses 6 and 7? No. There do not seem to be any objections. So those clauses 6 and 7 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 6 and 7 passed.] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, please continue. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will now move that clauses 8 through 10 be approved. Clause 8 amends section 11 of the principal Act to define the term “with pay” and to provide that where an employer and employee agree that entitl ement …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator like to speak to clauses 8 through 10? No. There are no comments so far. Senator Hodgson, it looks as though no one wants to comment. So please go ahead and move clauses 8 through 10. Sen. Arianna Hodgson : Thank you, Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections? No. Clauses 8 through 10 have been approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 8 through 10 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Sen. Arianna Hodgs on: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I move that clauses 11 through 19 be approved. Clause 11 amends section 18 of the principal Act to clarify that where an employer seeks to term inate an employee’s contract of employment for a reason connected with the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator wish to speak on these clauses, clauses 1 1 through 19? Senator Robin Tucker, you have the floor. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would like to speak to clause 11. An Hon. Senator: We cannot hear Senator Tucker.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, your volume keeps going up and dow n. I think you may need to move closer to the microphone if that is possible. [Crosstalk ] Sen. Robin Tucker: Sorry. My tablet is not cooperating.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Robin Tucker: Is that better?
The Chairman Chairman Sometimes it is good; sometimes it is not. It varies. The Clerk: When you are looking directly at your screen, it seems to be better. When you are turning away from it, that is when it goes down. Sen. Robin Tucker: Okay. I will look right at the screen.
The Chairman Chairman That’s it. Sen. Rob in Tucker: Thank you. So I did want to speak to section 11 as it r elates to the requirement for employers to have paid the remuneration to [employees] who are terminated within that time period. Seven days is a short period of time, and yet …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, I am sorry to interrupt again. But the audio is failing again. Sen. Robin T ucker: Okay. I am going to switch to . . . I am on my tablet, so I will switch.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Can you switch with another Senator? 122 13 January 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Robin Tucker: Yes. I will.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman And we want to hear what you are saying; it is important. [Crosstalk ] Sen. Robin Tucker: Madam Chairman, can you hear me?
The Chairman Chairman I sure can. Yes. We all can. Thank you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Okay. Clearly my tablet does not like me.
The Chairman Chairman Don’t take it personally. [Laughter] Sen. Robin Tucker: So what I was saying was that I believe that the requirement to pay within seven days is acceptable for larger businesses. But for smaller businesses, people who . . . for smaller and medium - sized businesses, for some of those …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. And thanks for making the switch. We could hear you very clearly. Would any other Senator like to speak to clauses 11 through 19? Sen. Ben Smith: I would like to speak to this .
The Chairman Chairman Anyone else? The Clerk: Senator Smith.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, Senator Smith. Sorry, I did not see your hand. Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, Madam Chairman. I wonder if this would be an opportunity for us to put forward a proposed amendment from the O pposition on this specific clause.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I think it is mo st appropriate. Would you like to proceed? PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 11 Sen. Ben Smith: Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. So as Senator Tucker was just speaking to the difference from seven days to fourteen days, that is the specific amendment which we would …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Smith. I believ e all Senators have had that amendment in writing. And I do not know if anyone else still wishes to speak. Is there anyone? Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you. Bermuda Senate Thank you, Senator Simmons. So I would agree with that, the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Wight. Would anyone else like to speak to the amendments? And really, there are two amendments within that subsection. The 14 days, and then at the end, “alternatively by such other date as the employ ee and employer may agree in writing.” So there are two amendments. …
The Chairman Chairman Would anyone else like to speak?
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Yes, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Please proceed, Minist er.
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you. In relation to this particular [clause], what I would like to communicate to us as Senators . . . the importance here is really about bringing balance and fairness, particularly when we are living in a world where many employees are sometimes going weeks, months and sometimes years …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator, the Honourable Dr. Ernest Peets. Would any other Senator like to speak to these amendments to clauses 11 through 19? [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman If there are no other comments . . . did I see Senator Jones indicating that he wishes to speak? Sen. Marcus Jones: No. The Ch airman: Okay. Thank you. If there are no other comments, I believe we have to have a division. Is that correct? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please. I am sorry, Senator Hodgson. Please go ahead. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: No worries. I was just giving anybody else some space to make any further comments. Madam Chairman, the Opposition Senators have looked at the clause that amends section 18 to provide timing for severance payments and have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, S enator Hodgson. And now I believe we will have to vote on the amendment that has been proposed. The Clerk: We are looking at clauses 11 through 19. The first item will be the consideration of the proposed amendment to clause 11.
The Chairman Chairman It is an amendment to clause 18 [sic] . The Clerk: Yes. Clause 11, proposed clause 11. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: It is section 18, which is noted in clause 11. The Clerk: Section 18 in clause 11.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, okay. Okay. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: So I have to go back to the first? The Clerk: No, no, no. Madam Chairman, you could put the question to the Senators: Is there any objection to the proposed amendment to clause 11?
The Chairman Chairman Senators, is there any objection to the amendment to clause 11? [Pause] The Clerk: Is there any objection to the [proposed] amendment to clause 11? Sen. Ben Smith: Are we objecting to the amendment put forward, Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Let me just get some clarity here. Are we asking if there is support for the amendm ent as opposed to the other way around? I think I would rather put it that way. Is there support for the amendment to clause 11? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: As in the amendment …
The Chairman Chairman The amendment proposed by the Opposition, yes. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: We do not support that, Madam Chairman, the amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. The Clerk: There is objection, then?
The Chairman Chairman I see three hands. The Clerk: There is objection. So that requires a div ision then.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. We have to have a division. And so we will vote. The Clerk: On?
The Chairman Chairman The amendment proposed by the Opposition to clause 11. The Clerk: That is correct. Okay. Senators, I will call your names individually. And you can answer Aye or Nay. So you would have to unmute to answer Aye or Nay for each individual Senator. Okay? So again, this is concerning …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Somner. In view of the vote, there are seven nays, four ayes, the proposed [amendment] by the OBA to clause 11 has been defeated. Bermuda Senate [Proposed amendment to clause 11 defeated by majority on division. ]
The Chairman Chairman So, Senator Hodgson, would you proceed, and move clauses 11 through 19? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 11 through 19 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to clauses 11 through 19 being approved? Senator Hodgson, I hear no objections, so please proceed. [Motion carried: Clauses 11 through 19 passed.] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I would like to conclude by moving clauses 20 through 25. Clause 20 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would anyone like to speak to clauses 20 through 25? There are no speakers, Senator Hodgson, so please proceed. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 20 through 25 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, clauses 20 through 25 have been approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 20 through 25 passed.] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you like to continue? The Clerk: Move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You need to move the preamble. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Yes. Sorry, Madam Chai rman. I move that the preamble be now approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections? There are no objections. Please continue. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I move that the preamble be approved. The Clerk: That has been done.
The Chairman Chairman We have done that. Now you are moving on to the title. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that the title stands as part of the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any objections to that? There are no objections. Senator Hodgson, please continue. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that the Bill be adopted by the Sena te.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections? Hearing no objections, the Bill has been approved by the Senate. Thank you, Senators. [Motion carried: The Employment Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 was considered by a Committee of the whole and passed without amendment.] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. The Clerk: Approved by the Committee. 126 13 January 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright: By the Co mmittee.
The Chairman Chairman And the Committee will now rise. Madam Pr esident, back to you. Thank you. Senate resumed at 12: 28 pm [Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright, President, pr esiding] REPORT OF COMMITTEE EMPLOYMENT AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2020 The President: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Crosstalk] The President: It has …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you like to proceed now? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Yes, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, the Trade Union and L abour Relations ( Consolidation) Act 2020 seeks to consolidate the Trade Union Act 1965, the Labour Rel ations Act 1975, and the Labour Disputes Act 1992 into a single …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would anyone like to speak to these four clauses, 1 through 4? I do not think there any speakers, Senator Hodgson, so please pr oceed. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 4 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to the approval of clauses 1 through 4? There are no objections, so clauses 1 through 4 are approved. [Motion carried: C lauses 1 through 4 passed.] Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, it is over to you. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 5 through 19. Clause 5 is the first provision under Part 2, Trade Unions, Chapter 1 of the Bill. Part 2 adopts largely the provisions of the Trade Union Act with Bermuda Senate some modifications, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator like to speak to these clauses 5 through 19? No, I do not think there are any speakers, Senator Hodgson. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 5 through 19 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to the passage of clauses 5 through 19? There are no objections. Those clauses have been passed. [Motion carried: Clauses 5 through 19 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Back to you, Senator Hodgson. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 20 through 39. Clause 20 is the first provision under Chapter 2 of Part 2 of the Bill which provides for the admi nistration and membership of trade unions. This clause sets out the requirements in relation …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator like to speak to clauses 20 through 39? No, it is quiet. Senator Hodgson, there are no speakers. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I move clauses 20 through 39 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to the approval of clauses 20 through 39? There are no objections, so clauses 20 through 39 have been approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 20 through 39 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson, back to you. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I move clauses 40 through 60. Clause 40 is the first provision under Part 3 (exclusive bargaining rights for certain trade unions) Chapter 1 of the Bill. Chapter 1 provides for the certi …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator wish to speak on clauses 40 through 60? Senator Robin Tucker, I see you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I did want to speak to clause 40 as it relates t o the interpretation of a management person.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Robin Tucker: We in the Opposition feel that the current definition falls a little bit short of what it should be to really ensure that both employer and employee fully understand what it means to be a management person. An Hon. Senator: Madam Chairman, sorry, could Senator Tucker …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we can hear you. An Hon. Senator: Thank you. Sen. Robin Tucker: You’re welcome. So in the primary Act there was a reference to exercising disciplinary control in addition to the other descriptors that are currently in the Act. That particular reference in terms of “disciplinary control” was r …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Would any other Senator like to speak on these clauses, 40 through 60? Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Smith. Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, I do not think anyone else was putting their hand up to speak, so I think this would be an opportunity to put forward the proposed amend-ment. Bermuda Senate The Chairman: Yes, please. Go ahead. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 40 Sen. Ben Smith: So …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Ben Smith. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to these clauses or specifically to the amendment that has been proposed? No? Okay. I think we will therefore need to have a division. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman. The Cha irman: Oh, would you like …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. I am sorry. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: No worries. Madam Chairman, the Opposition Senators are asking us to restore the previous lang uage used to define a management person. And while it is unfortunate that the Opposition Senators do not understand the importance of removing this particular bit, …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Sen. Ad rianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move–
The Chairman Chairman I think we have to have a division. Mr. Somner? The Clerk: We are, of course, considering clauses 40 through 60, but the first item to be considered is the proposed amendment by Senator Smith. So we w ill have a vote on the proposed amendment of clause 40 regarding …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. We have a proposal from Senator Smith that clause 40 be amended to read as follows: “‘Management person’ means a person who, in the course of his employment in an undertaking, has authority in the interests of the employer (a) to employ, transfer, lay off, recall, promote, exercise di …
The Chairman Chairman I object. The Clerk: Are the other Senators objecting?
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you. Are you asking each Senator by name to say Aye or Nay? The Clerk: Not yet. Just say whether you object to the motion.
Sen. the Hon. Dr. E rnest Peets Object. 138 13 January 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate [Crosstalk] The Clerk: Objection. Okay. We have at least two Senators objecting, so we now have to do a division. I will call the names individually. Those in favour of the proposed amendment will vote Aye and those opposed will …
The Chairman Chairman In view of the vote on the proposed amendment to clause 40, I declare that t hat amendment has been defeated. [Proposed amendment to clause 40 defeated by majority on division ]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you like to propose the movement — Sen. Ben Smith: Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Senator Smith. Sen. Ben Smit h: Just before we go forward, one of the amendments that we are putting forward later has a consequence in [clause] 40. So I just want to note that we might have to come back to this one.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I did make a note of that. Sen. Ben Smith: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you like to move clauses 40 through 60? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Yes, I would. Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 40 through 60 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to clauses 40 through 60? There are none; therefore, clauses 40 through 60 have been approved with a note that another amendment to clause 40 may be forthcoming. [Motion carried: Clauses 40 through 60 passed.] Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. You are on a marathon here. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Right! [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Would anyone like to speak to clauses 61 to 65? Senator Robin Tucker, I see you hand. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would just like to speak to clause 64. In the other part of our meeting I had already raised the i ssue with regard to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Would any other Senator like to speak? Senator Wight, you have the floor. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think of all the readings I had to do for today this was probably the one that caused me the most consternation, because I see …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Wight. Would any other Senator like to speak? Senator Smith. Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I think we have all been kind of talking about this over and over again. I really believe that it is i mportant that we note that we are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Smith. Would anyone else care to speak on clauses 61 through 65? Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright: Madam Chai rman, it is Joan Dillas -Wright.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright: Yes, I would like to speak on it as a member of a charitable group and also I have friends who are. And certainly at this time during COVID -19, this past year, the charities have suffered greatly. And I am aware …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam President. I would like to make a [brief] comment. And it is really because of something that Senator Ben Smith has said. And it is a really important point. Madam President touched on it as well. We are flying blind to a large degree here b ecause …
Madam Chairman. Sen. John Wight Chairman You are muted.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Peets. Would any other Senator like to speak on clauses 61 through 65? Sen. John Wight: Am I able to add another one?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Wight, I believe you can speak again. Sen. John Wight: I would very much like to support this, but I would just like to have the facts. You know, I 100 per cent want to support the union with some sort of payment because I think it is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Wight. Would any other Senator like to speak on clauses 61 to 65? Sen. Owen Darrell: I would, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Darrell, please proceed. Sen. Owe n Darrell: While I do hear the Opposition speak about the work that charities in Bermuda do I also have seen as an educator over the years that charities have done a lot of good work in the comm unity. And I have seen …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Darrell. Would any other Senator like t o speak on clauses 61 through 65? And I believe there is an amendment which has not been put forward yet, but Senator Smith, would you like to do . . . Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, Madam Chairman, I would …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 64 Sen. Ben Smith: So, the proposed amendment is opposing the redirection of the 50 per cent contributions from charities to the union. Contribution to charity. “(a) under an agency shop would[,] unless otherwise permitted under this section, be required to agree to pay …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator Smith. Sen. Ben Smith: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. All Senators have had the amendment in wri tten form and if anyone else would like to speak, this is the time now. Is there anyone else? Sen. John Wight: Well, I am going to go back to a point, Madam Chairman, raised before.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you. To me, again, I am not sure what the right answer is in the absence of knowing how much is paid in. So that would influence the amount, I think, that I would deem appropriate. It may be 50 per cent that …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright: And certainly, can I just add too, that while I spoke about the char ities, in all my years of working in this Island I am fully aware and have been very supportive of all the un-ions. And I k …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam President. So we have a proposed amendment on the table and I believe, Mr. Somner, we need — Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Hodgson. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: I just wanted to make some comments to the remarks given by the other Senators.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Yes, please. Proceed. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: So, Madam Chairman, I am not surprised that the Opposition Senators are opposing the redirection of 50 per cent contributions from charities to the union, but I do believe they un-derstand the fee for service model and so I am hopeful that they …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Mr. Somner, back to you. Bermuda Senate The Clerk: Okay, Madam Chairman. It is the time to put it to the Senators as to whether they object to the proposed amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Are there any objections to the amendment that is on the table? That is, the amendment proposed by Senator Ben Smith. Does anyone want me to read it again? [No audible response.]
The Chairman Chairman I can do so. “Any worker who– (a) under an agency shop would[,] unless otherwise permitted under the section, be required to agree to pay appropriate contribution to a union in lieu of membership of it; but (b) objects both to being a member of a union and to paying …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Yes, Madam Chai rman, we object. The Clerk: Okay, Madam Chairman, there are two or more Senators objecting, so we will go to a division of this particular amendment. I will start calling the names again. Those in favour will say Aye and those who are opposed to the amendment …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Somner. With a vote of five ayes and six nays the nays are in the majority and this motion or this [proposed] amendment has been defeated. [Proposed amendment to clause 64 defeated by majority on division. ]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you proceed to move clauses 61 through 65? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 61 through 65 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to clauses 61 through 65? [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman There are no objections so clauses 61 through 65 have been approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 61 through 65 passed.] Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you like to continue? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I move clauses 66 through 89. I will go through the entire Part 4. Clause 66 is the first provision under Part 4 (labour disputes), Chapter 1 of the Bill, which provides for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator wish to speak on clauses 66 through 89 (I believe)? Is there anyone? [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman There are no speakers, so Senator Hodgson would you like to move those clauses? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 66 through 89 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to those clauses being approved? There are none. Therefore, clauses 66 through 89 have been approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 66 through 89 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senat or Hodgson. Please continue. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I move clauses 90 through 103. We are getting closer to the end.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Clause 90 is the first prov ision under Part 5 (enforcement) of the Bill. This prov ision empowers the Labour Relations Manager to i mpose a civil penalty not exceeding $5,000 on a person who without reasonable excuse contravenes a prov ision for which a civil …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson. Would any Senator wish to speak on these clauses 90 through 103? Senator Jones, is that you? No? Would anyone like to speak? Okay. Senator Hodgson, there are no speakers so please move these clauses. 146 13 January 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Adrianna …
The Chairman Chairman I think it was [clauses] 90 through 103. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Sorry. You are correct. I take that . . . Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 90 through 103 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any object ions to these clauses being approved? There are none. So, Senator Hodgson, clauses 90 through 103 have been approved. Thank you. [Motion carried: Clauses 90 through 103 passed.] Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Would you like to proceed with those Schedules? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: I would. I move Schedules 1 through 8. Schedule 1 sets out the procedures for the conduct of a ballot under clauses 47 and 57 (certific ation and cancellation). New clauses 2(a) and (b), the Mana ger shall prior …
The Chairman Chairman No, we thank you, Senator Hodgson. That was indeed a marathon. Would any Senator like to speak to Schedules 1 through 8? Senator Smith? Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I would like to speak specifically to Schedule 3. We brought it up prior to going into Committee …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Ben Smith. Would any other Senator like to speak on Schedules 1 thro ugh 8? Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Well, I would just echo, and I said earlier in our Senate meeting my views echo Senator Smith’s. So I think it is very appropriate to consider …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Wight. Since you have mentioned an amendment, Senator Ben Smith, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, would you like to put your amendment now? PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SCHEDULE 3 Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. In Schedule [3], under [paragraph] 6, the reading to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, very much, Senator Smith. Sen. Ben Smith: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman All Senators have had this proposed amendment in writing since our last meeting. Would anyone else like to speak? I think we may have lost the . . . oh, there they are, the Government Senators. Okay. Would anyone els e like to speak to Schedules 1 through 8, or, …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Just for a moment I want to reiterate for all of us that there are mechanisms alr eady on the books to get our docks up and running. We do understand that labour disputes do occur from time to time. It is our job, of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Sen. Marcus Jones: Point of cl arification, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Just a moment. Thank you, very much, Senator, the Honour able Dr. Ernest Peets, Government Leader in the Se nate. Senator Jones, you have a comment? Bermuda Senate Sen. Marcus Jones: Yes, my apologies for interjec ting.
The Chairman Chairman That’s okay. No problem. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Sen. Marcus Jones: Madam Chairman, I heard with great intent the remarks made by the Government Senate Leader. He was referring to other legislation that allowed for essential services to be taken care of in situations. Can he cite the legislation that we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Jones. I will only say now that perhaps that question needs to be submitted in writing and/or, alternatively, perhaps Senator Hodgson will respond w hen she makes her remarks. Is there any other Senator who would like to speak? Sen. Ben Smith: Madam Chairman, just following on …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Smith, thank you. Sorry. Sen. Ben Smith: Yes, just followi ng on after the statement from Minister Peets. I am just wondering if in all of the other essential services he can list what the bargaining chips are for those other essential ser-vices. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Smith. Is there any ot her Senator who would like to speak on Schedules 1 through 8? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: If no one else —
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. We have a specific amendment to Schedule 7 [sic] that is on the table. Senator Hodgson. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, the O pposition Senators have asked that loading and unloading from the Hamilton docks and airport be clearly identified in the legislation as essential services. Madam Chairman, while …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Arianna Hodgson, Junior Minister for Labour. Thank you. Would anyone else care to speak to Schedules 1 through 8 or the am endment to Schedule 7 [sic] that has been proposed? The Clerk: Schedule 3.
The Chairman Chairman Oh! Is it Schedule 3? The Clerk: Yes, Schedule 3.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, yes! My apologies! It is Schedule 3 that has been proposed — Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chair man.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Senator Hodgson. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Yes, sorry. I would just like to add one important component. I want to make it clear to the Opposition Senators that these amendments do not prevent disputes and that the Minister can send workers back to work through legislation, as he has done …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson, for the clarification. Would anyone else like to speak? If not . . . oh, Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I guess my only comment to that remark would be that even three or four days or five days — which is …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator Wight. Would anyone else like to speak to Schedules 1 through 8 or the proposed amendment to Schedule 3? Sen. Adrianna H odgson: Madam Chairman, may I make just one more comment?
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Yes, Senator Hodgson. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: There is no need for a l abour dispute to go on for days. The Minister can act ually apprehend a labour dispute at any time. However, there are certain circumstances in which they would leave the parties the opportunity to come to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Would anyone else care to speak? If not, I will just reiterate the amendment that has been proposed to get a sense of whether this is supported or not. This is under Schedule 3, Essential Services, [paragraph] 6, the amendment reads: “Port and dock services including stevedoring …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Madam Chairman, we obj ect. But before we go to division for voting, we have a question for clarification, if we could.
The Chairman Chairman You have a question for clarification about the amendment?
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets No, about the pr ocedure going forward. Forgive my ignorance, this is the first time in Committee, so I thank you for —
The Chairman Chairman The same here.
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets I certainly thank you for your patience. I am just asking the question for information as well as education. If we have a Senator who has declared an interest, does the said interest preclude the opportunity to vote in division?
The Chairman Chairman I will have to take that under advis ement right now. The Clerk: Not necessarily.
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you. The Clerk: Unless their interest is so major that, you know — [Crosstalk] The Clerk: They have to have such a large interest . . . unless they have a very significant interest, the Senator, having declared their interest, would still be allowed to vote, to partici pate …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that clarification, Mr. Somner. Minister Peets, are you clear?
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets I thank Mr. Clark Somner for the answer . However, I still do not really have a full answer. So I do not know if Senator Wight could perhaps . . . I guess as it relates to this partic ular interest and whether or not this is major or …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Madam Chairman, I am happy to clarify the relationship. I am, as I declared at the very start, the Chairman of Bermuda Container Line. I can state that I have no financial interests in the company. I own no shares. So I do not own …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Wight, for your candour. Senator Peets, Minister Peets, anything further?
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you so much, Senator Wight. We certainly would be guided by the Chai rperson as it relates to what happens next. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman I will once again ask, are there any objections to the amendment that has been pr oposed?
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Sorry. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Once again, the Senate team for the Gover nment rejects — An Hon. Senator: Objects. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Bermuda Senate Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets: Objects, sorry. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Peets. The Clerk: We have multiple objections.
The Chairman Chairman We have multiple objections so we need to have a division. The Clerk: Yes, that is correct. Okay. We will go to the vote. Again, those in favour of the proposed amendment will say Aye, and those opposed will say Nay. I will call the names now. DIVISION [Proposed amendment …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Somner. With a vote of four ayes and seven nays I declare that this proposed amendment has been defeated. [Proposed amendment to Schedule 3 defeated by majority on division. ]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senators. And thanks, Mr. Somner. Senator Hodgson, would you please move Schedules 1 through 8? Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that Schedules 1 through 8 be appr oved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? There is no objection. Therefore, Schedules 1 through 8 have been approved. [Motion carried: Schedules 1 through 8 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, I have to pause again and thank you for what you have done today. It was a super -duper marathon and I know it was your . . . well, it was your second today. But thank you very, very much for your stamina. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank …
The Chairman Chairman Oh, yes! Of course, sorry. [Laughter] Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: No worries.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, please proceed. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to the preamble being approved? No objection. The preamble has been approved. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I move that the title stands as part of the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objecti on to the title standing as part of the Bill? No objection. The title has been approved. Sen. Adrianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I move that the Bill be adopted by the Senate as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to the Bill being approved as printed? No objections. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman The Bill has been approved. [Motion carried: The Trade Union and Labour Rel ations (Consolidation) Act 2020 was considered by a Committee of the whole and pas sed without amendment.]
The Chairman Chairman The Committee will now rise. Thank you, Madam President. Senate resumed at 4:25 pm [Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright, President, pr esiding] 152 13 January 2021 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate REPORT OF COMMITTEE TRADE UNION AND LABOUR RELATIONS (CONSOLIDATION) ACT 2020 The President: Thank you, Senator Michelle …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Erne st Peets Yes, Madam Pres ident, we certainly thank Senator Jones for his sent iments regarding the Financial Secretary, Anthony Manders. The Government Senate team would like to be associated with those comments as well. So, on behalf of the Ministry of Youth, Sports and Culture as well as for the Ministry …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Yes, Madam Pres ident, I certainly invite the entire Senate in acknow ledging our gratitude and gratefulness for all of the hard work from Government House all the way through government as it relates to what was needed and necessary to get the COVID -19 vacci ne on I sland. …
Sen. the Hon. Dr. Ernest Peets Thank you, Madam President. I move that the Senate adjourn until Febr uary 24, 2021. The President: Thank you. February 24th. Would any Senator care to speak on the m otion to adjourn? Hearing none. I am making sure . . . I am hearing no one wanting to speak …
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