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July 17, 2020

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Jul 17, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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756 speeches from 28 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, everyone. The House has now begun and Ms . Beale can do the prayer s. PRAYERS [Prayers read by K ara A. Beale, Assistant Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Members, there was a technical issue. My m icrophone was not coming through. Thank you, Ms. Beale, for the prayer. CONFIRMATION O F MINUTES [Minutes of 3 July 2020]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes of July 3rd have been ci rculated. Members, are there any amendments or corrections required? No, there are none. The Minutes are confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 3 July 2020 confirmed] MESSA GES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT ACT 2020
The Speaker The Speaker We actually do have a message from the Senate this morning. And [it is as follows:] “In accord ance with Standing Order 37, the Senate has the honour to inform your Honourable House of the accompanying Bill entitled the Criminal Code Amendment Act 2020, recommending the co ncurrence of your …
The Speaker The Speaker There are some nine papers this mor ning. The first is in the name of the Premier. Prem ier, would you like to present your first paper this morning? [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, are you with us this morning? [No audible reply]
The Speaker The Speaker Well, we will move on and come back to the Premier. The next Minister who has a paper or communi cation this morning is the Minister of Health. Minister Wilson, are you able to present yours now? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I am here. Yes. Good morning,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PUBLIC HEALTH (COVID- 19) EMERGENCY EXTENSION ORDER 2020 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension Order 2020, pr oposed to be made by the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next communication this morning is in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister of Finance, would you like to present yours ? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. 4410 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Good morning. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would you like to do your second one? BERMUDA MONETARY AUTHORITY 2019 ANNUAL REPORT Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Bermuda Mone-tary Authority 2019 Annual Report. Thank you, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. I notice the Premier. Premier, would you like to do your two at the moment? Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: And I sincerely apologise for my tardiness. The Spe aker: No problem. TRIBUTE TO SIR EVERTON WEEKS Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Hon-ourable House of Assembly the Tribute to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. We now move on to Minister B urch. Minister Burch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And happy 3 rd anniversary to you. Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you. BERMUDA HOUSING TRUST FINA NCIAL STATEMENTS 2019
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch To all of us, actually. I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Bermuda Housing Trust Financial Statements 2019.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. You actually have three more. Would you like to do the others? EXCHANGE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CORPORATION OF HAMILTON AND MCCALMON TRUST PTC LIMITED
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, sir, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly an Exchange Agreement between the Corporation of Hamilton and McCalmon Trust PTC Limited , as trustee of the McCalmon Trust, reference heirs of land situated at 5 …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue, Minister. SALE AND PURCHASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CORPORATION OF ST. GEORGE’S AND THE W. M. E. MEYER & COMPANY LIMITED
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Sale and Purchase Agreement between the Corporation of St. George’s and the W. M. E. Meyer & Company Limited reference the lot of land situated in the Town of St. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. EXCHANGE OF LAND AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CORPORATION OF HAMILTON AND THE TRUSTEES OF THE DIANTHUS TRUST Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Exchange of Land Agreement between …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That brings us to the end of the papers and communications. We now move on. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker I guess nine must be the magical number today. There are nine papers and communic ations, and now there are nine Statements. Statement one is in the name of the Premier. Mr. Premier, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. E. David Burt: Absolutely, Mr. Speaker. UPDATE ON GAMING …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. The next Statement on the Order [Paper ] this morning is in the name of Minister Burch. Minister, would you like to present your first Statement?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. ADDRESSING ILLEGAL FORESHORE ENCROACHMENTS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, the Government has freehold title to all foreshore and seabed below the high- water mark. The foreshore extends seaward from the mean high water (MHW) mark. Mr. Speaker, in accordance with the Sale of Reclaimed Lands Act 1951 , the Minister of Public Works is required to sell …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would you like to do your second Statement?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Absolutely, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continu e. BERMUDA HOUSING TRUST AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am pleased to table the Bermuda Housing Trust [the Trust] Audited F inancial Statements for the year ended March 31st, 2019. The Trust is in a healthy financial position and is up to date with their annual audit, having received an u nqualified opinion from their auditors. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister, for your two Statements. The next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister of Finance, would you like to do your Statement? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. PUBLIC REGISTERS OF BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Ministerial Statement is to provide the House of Assembly with a progress report regarding matters related to public access to beneficial ownership infor-mation for companies. Mr. Speaker, Bermuda has a strong reput …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Minister, I believe the next Statement is yours as well. Would you like to continue? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahe ad. GOVERNMENT LOANS AMENDMENT —DEBT CEILING INCREASE Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning to inform this Honourable House of the status of the government borrowing and the requirements to increase the authorised debt ceiling. The Bermuda Government’s borrowing activity is conducted in accordance …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Minister with a Statement this mor ning is Minister Foggo. Minister Foggo, would you like to present your Statement? CUP MATCH AND EMANCIPATION CELEBRATIONS 2020 Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to my honourable colleagues, good morning to the listening …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Edu cation. Minister [R abain]. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Can you hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Can you hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We hear you loud and clear. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker And we also see you. [Laughter] COVID -19—SCHOOL REOPENING PLANS FOR SEPTEMBER 2020 Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good morning. Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise to provide my honourable colleagues with a further update on the Department of Education’s school reopening plans for September 2020 and to confirm the …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue right ahead. COVID -19—ENTRY AND EXIT SAFETY & HEALTH PROTOCOLS FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise to provide my honourable colleagues with an u pdate on the COVID -19 Entry and Exit Safety & Health Protocols that have been …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The last Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Labour. Minister Hayward, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. ONE -YEAR R ESIDENCY CERTIFICATE POLICY Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that the Ministry of Labour will amend the eligibility for a one-year residential certificate to allow persons who are able to work remotely from Bermuda, such as digital nomads, and to allow …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Hayward. This actually brings us to the end of the Statements for this morning, and we will now move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are no reports of committees. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Members, as you know, the Question Period is 60 minutes. And it is now 11:26. And we have two sets of written questions this morning, which will be done before the questions for the Statements. And the first written question is for the Minister of Finance from MP Dunkley. Both …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, the fund commenced operations on A pril 27th of 2018, and has raised approximately $88 million in capital commi tments from limited partners, including the Government of Bermuda. Since its establishment, the Bermuda Infrastructure Fund has concluded on one investment in an electric …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Is there any supplementary? B ermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Thank you. Supplementary to the Honourable Minister: I appreciate the update. My question specifically related to individual projects and associated investments the Bermuda Government has initiated with the Bermuda Infrastructure Fund. The overview …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary, yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Government suppor ted the initiation of the fund back in 2017. In 2018 it came to reality. So is the Minister saying that as of yet the Government has not had any investors who have contributed to funding from this to starting jobs …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Honourable Member is unfamiliar with how a fund like this actually works. What I mentioned in my opening statement was that the fund had raised commitments of approximately $88 million. In the world of private equity or funds like this, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Inasmuch as there are investment opportunities which require funding then the investment manager makes capital calls of the limited partners to fund those investment opportunities. The Government of Bermuda was instrumental in getting the fund set up, [and] it was supportive of the fund. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Is there another question, supplementary? Well, you had your two supplementaries; sorry. Would you like to put your second question? QUESTION 2: BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND—NUMBER OF JOBS CREATED Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Woul d the Honourabl e Minister pleas e inform the Honourable House …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, again I think there seems to be some confusion around the Go vernment’s involvement in this fund. The Government has not undertaken any investments; the fund would have undertaken investments.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No supplementary, Mr. Speaker. There is no confusion on this front. I will go to ques tion 3.
The Speaker The Speaker Three. Okay. QUESTION 3: BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND—FEES AND EXPENSES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley : Will the Honourable Mini ster please provide this Honourable House with the details of the fees and expenses the Government has paid in relation to the f und since its inception, itemi sing the fees and …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, that one I can help with. The amounts of management fees paid by the Bermuda Government to the fund manager, Fortress Investment Group LLC, to date are $1.656 million, approximately $175,000 in November of 2018, and the further $1.48 million in May of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How much has Fortress invested to date?
The Speaker The Speaker Minist er. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I am just trying to identify that information, Mr. Speaker. I would say that For-tress . . . and I do not want to be overly technical here. But I want to respond to the question that was asked. Fortress has invested zero to …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Okay. Thanks for that question. There have been no direct investments in government infrastructure. The reason why the fund was lauded when it was established was because it provided another source of capital for funding pr ojects. One of the unfortunate realities of a fund, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for the exchange. The next question this morning is another wri tten question requiring an oral response. It is from the Bermuda House of Assembly Opposition Leader to the . . . it was originally sent to the Acting Minister of National Security. Would the Acting Minister be …
The Speaker The Speaker Good. Welcome, Minister. Good. Opposition Leader, could you put your question to Minister Ming? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank y ou very much, Mr. Speaker, and to colleagues. And welcome to our new Minister, Ms. Ming. Welcome. Hon. Renee Ming: Thank you. QUESTION 1: BLU RESTAURANT LARGE GROUP EXEMPTION …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: On June 30 th, 2020, a letter dated June 26th, 2020, was received via email from MEF/ Blu Restaurant applying for exemption for the 50person limit for dinner reservations for 130 guests. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am sorry. I could just about hear.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Yes, Minister, you did come a bit low that time. Would you just speak a little closer to your microphone or adjust your microphone? [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Oops. It looks like we have los t the Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Can you hear me now?
The Speaker The Speaker You are back now. Yes. Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We see you clearly. And we— Hon. Renee Ming: Okay. Can you hear me now, Mr. Speaker? Yes, I am just trying to confirm if you can hear me.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Hon. Renee Ming: So you can hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We can hear you now. Hon. Renee Ming: Okay. Good. On June 30 th, 2020, a letter dated June 26th, 2020, was received via email from MEF/Blu Restaurant applying for exemption to the 50- person limit for dinner reservations for 130 guests.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary, Opposition Leader? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. And for clarification, the Honourable Member did say on June 30 th? I am not sure if she is saying that they received the applic ation on June 30th or that the . . . and in addition to …
The Speaker The Speaker So before you put a question, you are trying to get clarification to her answer? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, can you just clarify that piece he is asking? Hon. Renee Ming: Sure. The letter was received on the 30 th of June. But it is actually dated June 26th. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Okay. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Now do you have a supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I do.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue with your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Supplementary: Considering they received the application on June the 30 th, was that application made on June the 30th approved?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Two seconds.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And if so, when? 4428 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Pause] Hon. Renee Ming: I do not see that it was approved, [MP] Cannonier. It may have been still being consi dered. No, it was not.
The Speaker The Speaker Are you still seeking the answer, Mini ster, or . . . ? [Crosstalk] Hon. Renee Ming: I am sorry. Can you hear me now?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We can hear you now. Hon. Renee Ming: Okay. No , it was not. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, it was not. Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to put a second supplementary now? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: May I have a supplementary on that, Mr. Speaker, please?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Opposition Leader, will you yield for your Member who would like to put a supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Member. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable Minister (congratulations), could you let me know . . . you were saying that the applic ation was not approved. It was not approved at all ? Hon. Renee Ming: The letter dated June 26 th, …
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Is the Minister . . . by saying the letter with the application was not approved, is that saying that the event was held without authorisation?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: No, that is not what I am saying. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I just wanted to clarify things. Hon. Renee Ming: I was specifically asked if it was approved on the June 30 th date, and that is the a nswer I provided— no, it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Honourable Member Scott, I think we are clear. Let the Minister handl e it, please. Hon. Renee Ming: Okay. What you asked when you asked me with reference to . . . If you are asking me the approval date, it was approved by the Minister of National …
The Speaker The Speaker Your second supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Was the application made on June 30th the actual application that was approved on July the 3rd [sic]? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Renee Ming: Are you speaking of the approval on July 2nd? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: July 2nd. Was the …
The Speaker The Speaker I think she indicated that the application received on the 30th was approved on the 2nd. That is the understanding I got from the response. Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker, if you will allow me to help the Member. He has a second question that needs answering and it may …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Who was involved in the decision- making pr ocess to approve the application? [Pause]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker. Hon. Renee Ming: So you want . . . sorry. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Just for clarification, the questi on was simply, Who made the decision? Is that it? As simple as it was asked? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, Mr. Speaker. Who was involved in the decision to approve the applic ation? Hon. Renee Ming: It would have been the technical officers who …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: To the Honourable Mini ster: Were any other Cabinet Ministers consulted prior to the approv al being given?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: It would be the Ministry of Health.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson What was the reason given in that application for the exempt ion requested by Blu Restaurant?
The Speaker The Speaker I think that is actually the second question from the Opposition Leader. So if you could hold that and let the Opposition Leader put his question, then we can get the answer. QUESTION 2: BLU RESTAURANT LARGE GROUP EXEMPTION APPLICATION Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: I am sorry? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: It is a simple question. Hon. Renee Ming: On July 3 rd, 2020, a follow -up le tter dated July 1st was received via email from MEF/Blu stating that the request for exemption was for charit able purposes to …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary, Mr. Speaker, MP Pearman.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, MP Pearman. Supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister, welcome on your first day as a new Minister in the House. My question for you is, you have just stated that there was a follow -up letter received on Wednesday, the 1st of July, from MEF, stating the reason, be4430 17 July 2020 Official …
Mr. Scott Pearman This is my second supplementary. What was the reason given in the letter of the 26 th of June? Hon. Renee M ing: It just . . . it was . . . the reason given was for reservation for 130 people. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary, …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The Minister has indicated that there was just a general application for just a large gathering made on the 1 st of July or . . . sorry, received on the 30th of June from a letter of 6/26, …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I do. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons It is, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahea d, Mr. Simons. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Did the department make contact with Meals on Wheels to confirm the event? And if they did, do you know whether to date they r eceived any funds? Hon. Renee Ming: No.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No what? Hon. Renee Ming: No, they did not make contact.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And do you know if any funds were—
The Speaker The Speaker Is that a second supplementary now, Mr. Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Put your second supplementary.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Do you know if any funds were paid and accepted by Meals on Wheels? Hon. Renee Ming: No, I do not.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Cannonier, do you want to do a supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I have a supplementary,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Is that Mr. Dunkley? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to the Honourable Minister: The Government committed to holding an inquiry into this matter. Can the Honourable Minister please update on what the status of the Government inquiry is? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Go ahead, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable former Premier, is incorrect. The Government did not commit to an inquiry; I com mitted to an inquiry. And upon my inquiry, we all know what the result, the action, was. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker You have a second supplementary? B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Put your second supplementary. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Premier for my laugh of the day. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Minister stated that the Minister of Health was consulted on this a pplication. Did the Minister of Health or the Ministry of Health support this …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker, that would be u nknown to me. That would have been a conversation with the previous Minister and the Minister of Health.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Opposition Whip. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. Minister, I am just curious whether the tec hnical officers who received the request for the exem ption, did they, when they went out, ask or specify that a reason had to be given that it was charitable? [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Did you get the answer there, Minister? Hon. Renee Ming: I said no.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, okay. Thank you. Is there a supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, back to the supplementary that I just asked.
The Speaker The Speaker You had your two supplementaries. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. But the rules for Question Period allow for another Minister to [answer] a question. So if the Minister of National S ecurity is not aware, the Minister of Health can answer the question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker That is quite all right.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is correct. The Speaker: It is correct if the Minister needed to have assistance. But I think she is moving on okay right now. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker — [ Crosstalk] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the rules allow the Minister —
The Speaker The Speaker The rules state, the rules say . . . wait, wait, wait. The rules state that another Minister can. It does not say that another Minister has to. It says if a question is put and the Minister wants to yield to a nother Minister, she can. That Minister can. …
The Speaker The Speaker The Standing Order does not call on a second Minister to have to respond. Hon. Mich ael H. Dunkley: Okay, Mr. Speaker. Can I ask the Honourable Minister to yield to the Minister of Health?
The Speaker The Speaker No! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay. Well — [ Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker It is the option of the Minister or the two Ministers. If the Minister said, I will yield to a second Minister, or if another Minister is prepared to. But it does not require someone to call on that second Mi nister to act. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Accepted, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister is a new Minister. This is her first day as Minister. She is trying her best to pr ovide the information. And I think if anyone has any other supplementaries, please continue to put them to the Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I have a supplementary, …
Mr. Speak er. The Speaker Yes. 4432 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I brought this concern to yourself th at because we have put in questions and we knew that we had new Ministers, I was concerned that they would not be able to answer all …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
The Speaker The Speaker I did indicate that in light of the fact that we had an Acting Minister at the time that you submi tted your question that if the Acting Minister felt that they needed to yield to or get assistance from an y other Minister, the Standing Orders allow for it. …
The Speaker The Speaker In this case, the new Minister is doing her best to answer the questions. She has not yielded, or asked for, or sought that assistance yet. If she seeks that ass istance, then it can be done. But she does not have to seek the assistance at the request of …
The Speaker The Speaker [INAUDIBLE] then they would not be able to do it. But it is not a request by the person as king the questions to say, Well, I want Minister A to answer because Minister B did not give the answer that I liked. Hon. L. Craig Cann onier: Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, it may have been misinterpreted. What I was trying to say to you was purely that the rules allow for other Ministers to answer if the Minister had yielded to calling for the other Minister to assist. We have not had that. We have not had that. So we …
The Speaker The Speaker No! If the Minister . . . it is the Minister’s call. If the Minister says that she would like to, then she can.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Put your supplementary, please, Opposition Whip. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Was the Ministry of Health in agreement with this application for exem ption?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker, my response would actually be the same. I would not know that because it would have been a conversation with the previous Minister and the Minister of Health.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Supplementary , then.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Will the Minister of National Security then allow the Minister of Health to answer the question whether they were in agreement with the exemption?
The Speaker The Speaker I think you are taking it back to the s eries o f comments that were starting this conversation.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because it makes sense!
The Speaker The Speaker It is not a request. It is if the Minister . . . if the Minister is prepared to yield. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have a suppl ementary question, Mr. Speaker, which might help to put us back on track. The Honourable Minister just indicated that this …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker, just looking through what I have here, the Act actually only requires the Minister of National Security to consult with the Mini ster of Health. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is all we are asking is, What was …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson He has gone on mute. [Pause] [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Just restate that, please. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This is MP Atherden. Can I ask a supplementary?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you can ask a supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay. Is the now Minister of National Security able to ask whether the former Acting Minister of National Security, who would have been the person who was there while it happened, would he be prepared to a nswer the …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, there you go even further against the Standing Orders. Questions that are asked to one Minister may be an swered by another Minister or a Junior Minister. The former Minister is no longer either a Minister or a Junior Minister. So if the former Mini ster was a Mini …
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No. No. They are no longer a Minister, clear, end of the day. They are no longer a Minister. [Inaudible interject ion] SPEAKER’S RULING [Standing Order 17(1)(b)]
The Speaker The Speaker And just to restate it so it is clear, under the Standing Order 17, in reference to questions, 17(1)(b), and I will read it again because I have said it without reading it all this time. I sai d it from memory. But I am going to read it so …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Dunkley. I have made my ruling. Now let us be clear about that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I r espect the ruling, too. Just pointing out something else. I respect the ruling.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No need to point it out. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Do we have a third question, Mr. Speaker? Or do we have a su pplementary on the table?
The Speaker The Speaker The Opposition Leader asked his question, and he never quite brought up supplements. Ev erybody else put in supplements. So, Opposition Leader, do you have a supplementary? If not, we can move on to the questions on Statements this morning. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am sure that there …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: Yes, I am here, Mr. Speaker. Just looking through my paperwork. Hold on one second. [Pause] Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister. 4434 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Renee Ming: Okay. The exceptional circumstances are actually at the Minister’s discretion. They can be approved at the Minister’s discretion.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Do you have another supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Second supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Does the Minister consider it unusual for the restaurant to be applying for an exceptional circumstance when they were not the ones hosting this dinner?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: I am sorry. What was the question in that?
The Speaker The Speaker Could you restat e your question, O pposition Leader? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Would the Minister consider it unusual that the restaurant, that is basically serving dinner and drinks, would the Honourable Mi nister consider it unusual that they applied for this excepti onal circumstance licence as opposed to …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Renee Ming: I will answer this one, Mr. Cannonier, to the best of my ability. But no, because they would have needed to ensure that the health preca utions were followed on behalf of the restaurant.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes. Madam Minister, could you indicate to me, based on what you have said in terms of how the application came in, is it unusual when the application is actually gazetted for the charity to be actually listed if it was not in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Renee Ming : Let me just say, can you repeat that, Ms. Atherden? You just said, is what was unus ual, and then you kind of went out. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay. So you indicated that MEF applied for an exemption for the 150 [sic] …
The Speaker The Speaker I thin k some of that has been answered earlier in questions. She did say the application was received on the 26 th or the letter that was written on the 26th, received on the 30th, did not indicate the charity. It just indicated a request for an exemption, my …
The Speaker The Speaker Because then she had stated that there was a letter that came in on — [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker —the 2nd of July that indicated that it was for a charitable event. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: So then there was another application on July 2nd? Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker , would you like? I can answer that.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go ahead. Hon. Renee Ming: There was one letter dated June 26th, and there was a second letter —and I am just referring to Mr. Cannonier’s second question— dated July 1st. And that letter speaks to the charity. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay. Thank you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker, please.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable the Deputy Opposition Leader. Go right ahead, Madam. SUPPLEMENTARY [Disallowed]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, can the Minister provide what the detailed investigation conducted by the Ministry of Health entailed that led her to draw to the conclusion that Blu needed to be closed for 14 days?
The Speaker The Speaker Member, let me. That is outside of the scope of the original question. Now, the original ques-tion was around the granting of the licence prior to the event. And the question you are asking is speaking to events that have taken place after the event.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker It is a question, but not for this time. You can put it at another time for another occasion, but not for this occasion.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have a suppl ementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, please, sir. The Minister has indicated that the charity itself was not informed prior to. But would the charity have been informed subsequent to the letter coming into the Ministry? Hon. Renee Ming: Mr. Speaker, first of all, I did not indicate …
The Speaker The Speaker Any further supplementaries? No further supplementaries. We can move on to the questions on Statements today. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker I beg your pardon? Hon. Patric ia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Was that the third question by the Opposition Leader?
The Speaker The Speaker He only had two questions on this one. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Oh, all right. Thank you, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker We could note that. Okay. We will move on to questions for Statements. The first Statement this morning was by the Premier in reference to the updating on gaming. And, Honourable Premier, you have two Members who wish to ask questions of you today. The first is from the MP …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I thank the Ho nourable Member for his question. I am happy to try to get back with the exact specifics on the outlines of what cashless gaming would look like. But I would assume that there would be no cash at s …
The Speaker The Speaker A supplementary, yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H . Dunkley: Yes. In casino oper ations —and I am not a gaming expert, but I have been into a few casinos —if you are using cash, you go in, you buy chips. No more cash is used until you leave and, hopefully, …
Mr. Speaker. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley No, I have a further question on that, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Put your question. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary, Michael, or another question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No. Supplem entary on that. Hon. Patr icia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I appreciate the response from the Honourable Premier and–– until we all agree on the need …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I can undertake to get the Honourab le Member a response. What I would say is to look at it from this place: The place where is the money-laundering risk is where there is cash inside. If an individual who is getting cash, or I …
The Speaker The Speaker You have a supplementary? Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, sir. Mr. Speaker, the Premier’s response was effectively predicated upon supposition. He said at the outset that he does not know much about it. Does the Premier not believe that it would have been more pr udent to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Who is that?
Mr. Scott Pearman MP Pearman. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Mr. Pearman. MP Pearman?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable Premier, it was not clear from your answer. Are you suggesting that you have expertise in gaming? Hon. E. David Burt: I can tell you that I have gamed from time to time. So absolutely I can tell you about a craps tabl e and …
The Speaker The Speaker I have to be quiet on this series of exchange because I am not an expert at all. Never been one. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Second suppl ementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Who would also like to ask a suppl ementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I have a question, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have a question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: If the Premier would be good enough to come back …
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. QUESTIO N 2: UPDATE ON GAMING Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the second page, the Honourable Premier gives an update on the chief exec utive recruitment. And the Honourable Premier says that the commission engaged the services of Price waterhouseCoopers [PwC] executive search …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: I do not have that informat ion, but I will seek to get it.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No supplementaries. We can move on to the second Member who has a question. Premier, the second Member who has a question for you is the Deputy Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, would you like to put your question? QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON GAMING
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Premier, thank you for your Statement on gaming. I have a question. I am sure that you will be able to answer it. Can you provide us —you said that there is a potential candidate who may be in place by 4438 17 July 2020 Official …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Fair comment, but I appreciate the undertaking. Second question, Mr. Speaker, please.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON GAMING
Ms. Leah K. Scott Since grant funding was not pr ovided for the commission in the budget this year, is the premise that the $1.2 million that has not been spent is going to be used for training and education?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would say that the money that has not been spent will be used to cover the operat ions of the Ga ming Authority. In addition to that, when there is the transfer of responsibilities, there will also be funds that …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Premier. Supplemental question then.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTA RY
Ms. Leah K. Scott Since we are looking at providing jobs and training, where would the money come from for that? Hon. E. David Burt: As indicated inside of my Stat ement, some of the matters in regard to training are not specifically coming from the G overnment itself. It is coming from the …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Then I have one more question,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker One more question? Yes. We have got about a minute left on the clock, or so. Go ahead. QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON GAMING
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. The name is being changed to the Bermuda Gaming Commission to co ver a broad remit; I believe that is what the Premier stated. So in the current legislation, cashless wagering currently exists in the legislation. But what other forms of gaming are envisaged, or what does that broader …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Those would be the things inside of my Statement, Mr. Speaker. Whether it be lotteries, cruise ship gaming, betting in licensed establishments in Bermuda, Crown and Anchor as well.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Premier.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. It is now 12:25. We started at 11:26. We have got less than a minute. The next question, if someone can get it in, will be for Minister Burch. Minister Burch, you had a question from MP Gordon- Pamplin. QUESTION 1: ADDRESSING ILLEGAL FORESHORE ENCROACHMENTS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon …
The Speaker The Speaker And, Minister, unless you have a quick answer, then we are going to bring this to a close.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I have a quick answ er.
The Speaker The Speaker Sure. Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: No, I am not. I will take the discount for the taxpayers. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Members, Members, it is now 12:26. We started at 11:26. That is our 60 minutes of questions this morning. I thank you for your participation in Question Period. We will now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker And I believe that MP Tyrrell had indicated to me that he wanted to speak, if he is still here, because he was going off to a meet ing. Mr. Tyrrell, have you left for your meeting?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is Minister Tyrrell, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I mean Minister Tyrrell, sorry. I am sorry. Has he stepped off to his meeting already? Hon. Neville S. Tyrrell: No, I have not, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister! Congratulations. Minister, I will let you start. As your first day as Minister, you can start us off on the congratulatory and/or obituary speeches. Hon. Neville S. Tyrrell: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, this is an important day for me, so I …
The Speaker The Speaker Do you have a good representative? Hon. Neville S. Tyrrell: Oh, they do. Do not worry,
Mr. Speaker. They do. The Speaker I said do you? Do you have a good one? [Laughter] Hon. Neville S. Tyr rell: Oh, of course. Mr. Speaker, as I said, I wish to acknowledge one of those hardworking team members of mine, who actually has a birthday today. So I wish to send well wishes to …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I heard that as I was driving in this morning. It was all over the radio. Would anyone else like to speak on congrat ulations or condolences this morni ng? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to add my —
The Speaker The Speaker This looks like Rabain, [MP] Rabain. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I would like to add my co ngratulations to Minister Tyrrell — [Feedback]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Tyrrell, your microphone may still be on. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: No, he is muted. He is muted.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Okay. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Now he is unmuted. But anyway, Mr. Speaker, I would also like to offer congratulations to Bermuda Cricket Board [BCB] for a successful implementation of cricket this past weekend as we come out of our COVID -19 restriction. I happened to attend the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Yes? 4440 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Minister Foggo.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. I would like to be ass ociated with the remarks coming from Minister Diallo Rabain in terms of congratulat ing cricket. I had opportunity to work with that organisation and help advance the models that they have put in place in order to …
The Speaker The Speaker Big six I have thrown in the field. [Laughter] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Also, Mr. Speaker, I would like to give congratulatory remarks to—and every body knows this name, and I will associate everybody — Stephen Dickinson and young Ms. Joanna Santiago, who won the sailing on the weekend pass. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would any other Member wish to speak?
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like Mr. Famous?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues. Fortunately, I have no condolences to bring today. But I want to take a moment to congratulate Minister Renee Ming and Minister Neville Tyrrell. I congratulate them on behalf of the Robin Hood cor-ner. I see our Member Dennis Lister III smiling. …
The Speaker The Speaker You had everybody on a good foot until you said that. Thank you, Member. Would any other Member wish to speak?
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Sounds like a Somerset fella.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes. Yes. Good morning to the listening audience. Good morning to my fellow colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I would like to also just as sociate myself with the comments made to congratulate Mi nister Ming and Minister Tyrrell on their appointments. Mr. Speaker, as has been stated, MP Ming and her …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Lister. Does any other Member wish to speak? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. It sounds like MP Moniz. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. I join in today to ask for the House to send congratulations to the su bject of a recent article in the Royal Gazette Lifest yle section to Ms. Honor Brady, who works for Transport for London. And she was highlighted, I believe …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Moniz. Does any other Member wish to speak? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pam plin: Mr. Speaker. I do,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Yes. Go right ahead, Honourable Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Let me just remind Members to please turn on their videos when you speak. Hon. P atricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to join in the congratulations that have been extended thus far to both Minister Tyrrell and Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak?
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like Minister Burch.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead, Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you. I would be associated with the congratulations to the two new Ministers. I should give them my con-dolences, too, because I told one of them they have got a lot of work to do. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But in any case, Mr. Speaker, I would ask that condolences be sent to the family of Kevin Leon Eugene “World” Lapsley. He worked at Marsh Folly collecting waste for 11 years for the Ministry and was a fixt ure there long before he came to the Ministry. He worked …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Burch. And Mini ster Burch, I would like to be associated with that one as well, as he has strong Somerset roots from the heart of Somerset. Thank you. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Would any other Member like to speak? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker No other Member? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Go ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I am uncertain if it has been done already, and I am sure that I am associating myself with the condolences of which may [have been] offered certainly, with the condolences to the family of iconic Bermudian actor, Mr. Earl …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? No other Members? Before we leave this, I would just like to add my remarks to that and what the Premier just gave in regard to the late Earl Cameron. And I think we should include the whole …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are some eight Government Bills to be introduced this morning. And the first two, Premier, are yours. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the . . . I am certainly looking at the wrong document, so let me try that again. FIRST READING …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Would you like to do the second one? FIRST READING TOURISM INVESTMENT AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of …
The Speaker The Speaker Good. Thank you, Premi er. The next four Bills are in the name of the Mi nister of Health. Minister, would you like to do your Bills? Mi nister? [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Dickinson, would you like to do yours, and we will come back to Minister Wilson? Hon. Curtis L. Dick inson: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. FIRST READING TRUSTS (SPECIAL PROVISIONS) AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Minister, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: Trusts (Special Provisions) Amendment (No. 2) Act …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. FIRST READING GOVERNMENT LOANS AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill, whi ch according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, requires the Governor’s recommendation so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Minister Wilson? Minister Wilson? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, if the Minister is not [sic] busy, do you mind if I introduce her Bills for her?
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the follow ing Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting. 4444 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Speaker The Speaker Do all four, yes. FIRST READINGS CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT ACT 2020 CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2020 EXPUNGEMENT OF CONVICTIONS ACT 2020 HEALTH PROFESSIONALS (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) ACT 2020 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I am introducing the following Bills for their first reading so that they may be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ministers and Premi er. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are no Opposition Bills. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker No Private Members’ Bills. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker No notices of motions. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker The first Order of the Day would be the consideration of the Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension Order. Again, the Minister of Health is not available there. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Actually, I am here, Mr. Speaker. I am sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Minister, would you like to do your m atter? SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 23(3) Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 23(3) be suspended to enable the House to proceed with the consideration of the Order entitled the Public Health (COVID -19) …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the suspension of Standing Order 23(3)? None. Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 23(3) suspended] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, just before I pr oceed, I have a document that I need to refer to, but I think it is going to turn …
The Speaker The Speaker Your camera? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —my video camera. But is that okay when I get to that?
The Speaker The Speaker Well, we will let you proceed, and then you can switch back. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Thank you. ORDER PUBLIC HEALTH (COVID- 19) EMERGENCY EXTENSION ORDER 2020 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to invite this Honourable House to consider the Order entitled Public Health …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to spe ak? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Thank you,
Mr. Speaker. It is MP Gordon- Pamplin. The Speaker Yes. MP, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated in her opening remarks that she is beginning to sound like a broken record. And I also echo those sentiments, but I also start to question whether the replay that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? And I am asking only because it has passed one. We were going to go to lunch at one. But if no other Member wishes to speak, we can close this out and then go to lunch. But if other …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the said Order being approved and a message sent to the Governor? No objections. The matter has been approved, and the appropriate message will be sent to the Governor. [Motion carried: The Public Health (COVID -19) Emergency Extension Order 2020 was approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker With that, Mr. Premier, would you like to move us to lunch? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, the Premier has stepped away and asked that we adjourn for lunch.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Hello, Mr. Speaker. The Deputy is here.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that we adjourn for lunch unt il 2:00 pm.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Or like 2:06 perhaps? [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker No, 2:00 pm is fine, 2:00 pm is fine. Leave it at that. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Mr. Speaker, I move so.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Members, the House now s tands adjourned until 2:00 pm. And as always, if you simply turn your cameras and video —mute your micr ophones and turn your cameras off, we will be ready at 2:00 pm when we resume. Enjoy your lunch. [Pause] Proceedings suspended at 1:0 4 …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. For the li stening audience, we are about to resume the afternoon session of today’s sitting. We had closed for lunch at the end of the completion of the first Order of the day and now we are about to start the second O rder of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Basically, I asked him to intr oduce for its second reading the consideration of the Riddell’s Bay (Warwick Parish) Special Development Order 2020. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, Mr. Speaker. I will do it. Yes, I did not get a recital . . . I do not recall getting …
The Speaker The Speaker [Are there] any objections? No objections. Continue, Minister. SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER RIDDELL’S BAY (WARWICK PARISH) SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER 2020 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that consideration be given to the Draft Order entitled Riddell’s Bay (Wa rwick Parish) Special Development Order 2020 , …
Mr. Speaker all applications for final planning permi ssion of the residential lots shall be in accordance with Residential 2 Development Zone as specified in Chap ters 9 and 27 of the Draft Bermuda Development 4448 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Plan 2018; status reports of the …
The Speaker The Speaker That is okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move that the Order be co nsidered by Members of the Legislature.
The Speaker The Speaker Exactly. Just so the other Members can [consider]. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to this? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sy lvan Richards here.
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Member Mr. Richards. You ha ve the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before I start with my remarks on this, I would like to thank the Minister and his tec h-nical people for reaching out to Members of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak to this? Hon. Patric ia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Speaker, it is MP Gordon- Pamplin.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, MP, go right ahead. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, too, wish to add my vote of thanks to the Minister for enabling a consultation pr ocess to occur between his technical officers and us in the Opposition so that we had a …
The Speaker The Speaker I will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member . . . and I do not believe necessarily that the Honourable Member is doing this purposely, but she is [not only] unintenti onally misleading the House, but also implying …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, at this point I think the comments on both sides —your previous colleague and the Minister —have been pretty favourable. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And Mr. Speaker, I am also very favourable. I am just saying that when the Minister gave his remarks he wa s . …
The Speaker The Speaker I will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: I believe, Mr. Speaker, that there is a bit of misleading t he House going on here. I am stating what is public record. I am not stating something clandestine. This is a matter of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I accept that, and I will move on because there certainly is no intent to malign the Minister or to suggest anything negative in terms of his c omments, which he says are public record. I just found it interesting, his necessity …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I would like to speak, please.
The Speaker The Speaker That sounds like Mr. Simons. MP Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, it is me. The Speake r: You have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons First of all, I want to make it abundantly clear that I support this SDO, but I do have reservations. I have reservations. But before I get to my concern I would like to make some clarification. As was said b y my colleagues, yes, we do have to review …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons What is the point of order , Mr. Speaker? I just said I suggest that we review the process. I am not making any allegation— Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, it is my point of order, it is not Mr. Simon’s.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister, make your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Simon is misleading the House.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am not misleading—
The Speaker The Speaker Let him make his point of order, please. [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: [INAUDIBLE ] my point of order. The DAB process around all applications is clear and transparent and supports proper development. This is the same process that would have been afforded to him, as Environment Minister, and every …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. MP Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons There has also been talk about the letter of intent and why it was not embedded in the SDO. Let me make it clear that the people b ehind this project are in the well and I asked them about this letter of intent and as far as they were …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Continue . . . point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue your point of order , yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : The Honourable Member, I do not know if intentionally or not, may be misleading the House. That was not put out to open tender.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am not retracting, I have heard what he said and I will continue, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker, in addition— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Can he — POINT OF ORDE R Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : The Honourable Member must retract that because it was not an open tender bid. It was not.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Can you — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I am saying that from personal experience. As one of the possible purchasers for it I can tell you it was not an open tender.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Present the evidence, Mr. Zane DeSilva.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. We do not have in front of us any documents to support or deny that, other than the fact that the Honourable Member said that he did participate in the bid process. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I did.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons He said he was going to participate.
The Speaker The Speaker He indicated that he was involved in the process.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay, I accept that.
The Speaker The Speaker And without having evidence in front of us on either way. I am just going to say be mindful of your comment in that, if he did participate in it and you and I did not, he would at least know the terms under which he was participating.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I accept that.
The Speaker The Speaker And I cannot speak to that.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I accept that. But I will go on to say that was just part of my comment. So I will go on to say, if they had thousands of objectors, then those thousands of objectors could have gotten together and purchased the property from the receiver. That is my point.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Okay.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons They could have purchased it from the receiver, but they chose not to, for whatever reason. And so, these Bermudians put together a pr oposal and gathered other Bermudian investors to buy this property for a business proposition and, also, to provide a gift of conservation land to Bermuda—a gift …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any other Honourable Members who may wish to speak?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Mr. Swan, just a r eminder, if you can, use the video.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it is. Now it is on. Actually, you need one of these— yes?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker, blue and blue all day. Mr. Speaker, I am duty -bound to speak to this. And I will start off by providing a bit of historical perspective. Because, for me, when we talk about Ri ddell’s Bay it is very personal. And I declare my interest. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak?
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it sounds like MP Scott. Hon. Michael J. Scott: MP Scott —
The Speaker The Speaker MP Scott, you have the floor. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael J. Scott: —and I see your family me mber is wishing to get in, and if he does . . .
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Honourable Member, I can defer to you or you can let me go.
Mr. Dennis Lister III I can go ahead Mike, and you can come behind me. Hon. Michael J. Scott: All right, fair enough.
The Speaker The Speaker MP from constituency 28, MP Lister, you have the floor.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon to the listening audience, again to my honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, first off, I am going to declare my interest as the representative for the constituency in which Riddell’s Bay is located —Warwick West, co nstituency 28. I just want to declare my interest …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. You worried me in the beginning. You started saying you wanted to declare your interest. I thought you had a . . . I was wondering what interest you had up there; they had not named the owners yet.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes . . . no, I am not —
The Speaker The Speaker Does another Member wish to speak?
Mr. Dennis Lister III I am not a golfer like the prev ious Member before me.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Scott, would you like to speak now? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thanks, Mr. Speaker. We have a list and I have to and will defer to Mr. Commi ssiong. I have consulted our internal list. Thanks, Mr. Speaker. 4464 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Speaker The Speaker I suggest you go ahead, Mr. Scott. Hon. Michael J. Scott: All right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, I know you were asking Dennis Lister III whether his declared interest was a piece of real estate, luxury real estate, which you could come and visit him in. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I thought he had done . . . something went wrong. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, yes, he did not discuss with you —some secrets. But Mr. Speaker, everything about this real estate order is positive and carries positivity to it and I want to commend the Deputy Premier and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Scott. Does any other Member wish to speak?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, I will join the debate.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Commissiong, how are you today?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I am fine. How are you?
The Speaker The Speaker Not bad at all. You have the floor, sir.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, Kim Swan did give us an overdue history lesson. And his invocation calls for a historical reckoning, which is also overdue. Mr. Swan said, and I quote, “Do something to make it go away.” He talked about the erection of some sort of tribute on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Is there any other Honourable Member who may wish to speak? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like MP Dunkley. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, good afternoon, Mr. Speaker, that is correct.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. MP you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I start on a lighter note to the Honourable Member who just spoke before me, and now I know why he went to work at White’s grocer y store, because if he cannot …
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. Deputy [Premier]. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Just to make sure that I appreciate the direction of the Honourable Member, but [these are] slightly misleading comments. This SDO has the force of law and its terms are enforceable. And that includes the commitment to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I do accept that point of order, but in the context in which I was referring, as far as maintenance of the property, the SDO is pretty loose on that framework. R emember, we are looking at, at least four different — …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Walter H. Roban: There is a conservation management plan associat ed with this process that is a part of the package, an environmental impact as-sessment. These are things that are a part of the package that underpin this SDO. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. You must have your clock on, you were just a minute short on your time. Does any other Member wish to speak?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, it is Susan Jackson, I would like to have a few words please.
The Speaker The Speaker Madam Opposition Whip, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to share a few words, simply because I feel that the environment al side of this sp ecial development order has not necessarily been addressed in the debate today. And, you know, I clearly want it to be noted that it is so …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. There is substantial deference to environmental conditions in this SDO of which the developers must abide by, and I take these points of order not so much to correct …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister. And so, yes, I accept that. So, the owners now with this substantial, what I would consider to be both a social and an enviro nmental responsibility, would consider the partnerships with many of the organisations in Bermuda who do spend an awful lot of time protecting …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Very much outlined in my brief I presented . . . perhaps the Member was not listening. I mentioned BEST, Audubon Society and Greenrock, all, and I quoted it substantially in my brief and had extensive pre- consultation even …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Minister, and yes, I know that the Minister said in his opening brief things like the Audubon Society, you know, did loath the new development but looked forward to sort of the green space and the sizeable reserve. So, regardless of what may happen sort of formally, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Honourable Member?
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker? Yes, Mr . Speaker, MP Pearman.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Pearman. Yes, MP Pearman, you have the floor. MP Pearman?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, I’m just turning on my video. Mr. Speaker, this has been a very interesting debate and a lot of people have s poken, so I do not wish to add too much.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman I just wish to add six bullet points, if I can, including one which is a specific ques-tion to the Honourable Minister, and one I hope he will be able to address in his cl osing. My first observation is just one that comes from the heart. I, like many …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I will take your point of order. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am waiting for the Speaker to acknowledge me.
The Speaker The Speaker State your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker for acknowledging me. It is not the job of MP Pearman to acknowledge me; it is the job for you to acknowledge me. So thank you very much. There is substantially more conservation …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Continue, MP.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not quite sure for the reason for that intervention. E ither there is more green space after this or there is less. I would respectfully suggest that there is less. But no doubt in closing the Minister can give the facts and the numbers. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other Member? Minister. Would you like to close this out? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I also wish to thank everyone who has made a contribution to this debate, and I congratulate everyone for their …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Did someone ask for a point of order? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, just yield for a minute. POINT OF OR DER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I think perhaps inadvertently, but I think the fact that the i ssue of embedding the public access in the SDO was a common theme among the Opposition, I think it is i …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, may I continue?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, well, perhaps the Member missed, because the Honourable Member was quick to come on her feet that I said in particular the Opposition. So, I was acknowledging that it was not exclusively , but I said in particular . So, clearly my comment was …
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to have that tabled so it is part of the record? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, yes , Mr. Speaker, I am doing this with the intention of tabling, and I can have it sent to your staff by electronic methods so that it can be available …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. But Mr. Speaker, we are going to go further, and we have agreement to go further, and the legal counsel which I ably rely on has advised me we will go further. We have a MOU intention to draft and gain the commitment …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, point of clarif ication.
The Speaker The Speaker Do you have a point of clarification? Go ahead.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, Mr. Speaker, do I have to say I will take it, or do I just automatically, it has to be taken?
The Speaker The Speaker Well, a point of clarification . . . You have to yield on a point — [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker You have to yield for t he point of order to be taken. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay, but I did not agree to yield— [Crosstalk] Hon. Walter H. Roban: —but I will yield.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand what the Min ister said in regard to it being public and private, and the public will enable him to imbed the access into the legislation. But he has just presented evidence to say that the access is available to the public. He also …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I have already spoken to that. R egarding the concern that the SDO does not stipulate public access, to be clear the SDO is a form of Planning permission and only for the purposes about granting Planning permission. It is out of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, in reference to objections and the petition, references continue to be made of the number of individuals who signed . . . oh, I think I have already answered about the petitions. So I will go on, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, contrary to …
Speaker The Speaker “As residents of Riddell’s Bay we are wri ting in support of the proposal plan by Castile Holdings.” And that is quote, Mr. Speaker, and I will go further. “The majority of residents of the area are in favour of the plan.” That is in this particular submission, Mr. Speaker. …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the draft Order being approved and the said message being sent? No objections. The said Order has been approved and a suitable message will be sent to the Governor. That will now bring us to a close of that matter. [Motion carried: The Riddell’s Ba …
The Speaker The Speaker We will now move on to the third order for today’s business, which is the s econd reading of the Ministers and Members of the Legislature ( Salaries and Pensions) Amendment Act 2020 in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. BILL SECOND READING MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak to this matter? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, please, Mr. Speaker, It is MP Gordon- Pamplin. The Speaker: I recognise the Honourable Member MP Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Is there any other Honourable Member who would like to speak to this? No other Honourable Member. Minister, would you like to close up? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes, Mr. Speaker . I would like to thank the Honourable Member for her contribution. Over the course …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Deputy Sp eaker, would you like to take us into Committee? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. House in Committee at 6:0 0 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLA TURE ( SALARIES AND PENSIONS) AMENDMENT ACT 2020
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Amendment Act 2020 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the Ministers …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is self - explanatory. Clause 2 amends section 10 of the principal Act, to clarify that years of service will only be counted for the purposes of the qualifying conditions for eligibility for a pension if the Member has contributed to the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers on clauses 1 through 4? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Ms. Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just have one quick question. It is under clause 4, this would be on page [2] of the Bill, clause 4, [new …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, my understanding is that the officers of the Legislature have been in touch with Members with respect to their elections and that this process started at some point either late last week or early this week. I know that . . . I …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, to verify, if I may.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I thank the Mini ster for that. They are probably chasing people who make real money. The rest of us don’t. As a result, I have not received such word from them. I am not sure about colleagues. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? [Laughter ]
The Chairman Chairman No further speakers. Minister, you want to move clauses 1 through 4? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I that m ove clauses 1 through 4 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 4 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Bermuda House of Assembly Clauses 1 through 4 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.] Hon. Cu rtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I would like to …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 5 inserts a new Part IV into the principal Act (new sections 15E to 15H) to provide for a capital sum payable on the death of a serving Member. This is modelled on Part VIII of the Public Service Superannuation Act 1981 , …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No comments on these [clauses ].
The Chairman Chairman Okay. No further speakers. Minister, do you want to move — Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 5 and 6 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 5 and 6 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Clauses 5 and 6 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 5 and 6 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there a ny objections to that? There appear to be none. The preamble is approved. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Thank you, Minister Dickinson. [Motion carried: The Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Speaker. Members, the Bill entitled the Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Amendment Act 2020 has now been reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? No objections. The Bill has been reported. We will now move on to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING PUBLIC SERVICE SUPERANNUATION TEMPORARY AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, the Gover nment now wishes this Honourable House to give con4484 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly sideration to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution on this matter. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, MP Gordon- Pamplin.
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Member MP GordonPamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the premise and the context of this is not dissimilar to other things that we have di s-cussed. The Minister has indicated in his comments in terms of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? None. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, in the work that we have been doing with respect to getting agreement on a wide range of cost savings, most of them around employee costs, the Government has been …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, would you like to move us to Committee? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With those comments, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 6:2 1 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL PUBLIC SERVICE SUPERANNUATION TEMPORARY AMENDMEN T ACT 2020
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in the Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration for the Bill entitled the Public Service S uperannuation Temporary Amendment Act 2020 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is self - explanatory. Clause 2 provides definitions, and states that this Bill applies notwithstanding anything to the contr ary in the principal Act or in any contract or agreement. Clause 3 provides that nothing in section 13 of the principal Act …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. [Are there] any further speakers? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: We have no further comments on thi s Bill, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Member Gordon - Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, sir. Bermuda House of Assembly We have no further comments on any of these. We are satisfied that the Minister has explained . . . The Cha irman: Thank you, Member. Any further …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 10 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 10 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be r eported to the House as prin ted. Thank you, Minister Dickinson. [Motion carried: The Public Service Superannuation Temporary Amendment Act …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Members, the Bill entitled the Public Service Superannuation Temporary Amendment Act 2020 has been reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? No objections. The Bill has been reported. We will now move on to the next item on the Order for this …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide for the consideration of this Honourable House the Bill entitled the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this legislation is kind of déjà vu by the fact that it is putting into the principal Act the temporary amendments that have actually been made previously. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak to this matter? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I just have a brief question to ask the Honourable Minister.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you can put your question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Honourable Minister, in the overview that you gave in regard to this Act, you stated that a pplicatio ns for the $12,000 withdrawal were just about 7,000 individuals and approximately 4,300- andchange have been …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? None. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank the Honourable Members for their contributions. I would say that part of the impetus for these amendments is to update the regime to make sure that it is …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sorry, Mr. Speaker, I have one question for the Minister, please.
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister has closed out now.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. All right. No problem.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, can you put your question while we are in Committee? [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Member? When we go to Committee, you can put your question in Committee.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. And with that, Minister, can you move us to Committee and the Deputy can take the Chair. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker There is Member who has indicated she wishes to put a question in Committee, I guess. Thank you, Deputy. You have the Chair. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speakers. House in Committee at 6:4 3 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMIT TEE ON BILL NATIONAL …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the National Pension …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is self - explanatory. Clause 2 amends section 24 (9)(b) of the principal Act, to allow a member or former me mber of a defined contribution pension plan or local retirement product who has attained the normal retirement age to apply for …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Ms. Gordon- Pamplin, continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman, I am just trying to find the . . . okay. Page 1, clause 2 —
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —[subsection] (b)—
The Chairman Chairman [Subsection] (b)? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Pardon?
The Chairman Chairman Did you say [subsection] (b), as in boy? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Subsection (b), clause 2, —
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —page 1, towards the bottom of page 1, [subsection] (b) —
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —it speaks to where the member or former member of a defined contribution [pension] plan or a local retirement product has attained the normal retirement age, of up to 25 per cent of his account balance, as may be pr escribed. I wonder if …
The Chairman Chairman Minist er. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I can confirm that the amounts, the 25 and 7, are additives . . . accumulative and so . . . and not — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: A replacement for. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Not a replacement of one or …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I did have one of my colleagues who had a question, Honour able Member Scott.
The Chairman Chairman No. Any other speakers? They can speak for themselves, Member. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 7 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 7 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 7 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved. 4492 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report …
The Chairman Chairman It ha s been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Thank you, Minister Dickinson. Mr. Speaker. [Motion carried: The National Pe nsion Scheme (O …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Members, are there any objections to the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. It has been reported. That closes that matter and we will move on to the next item. Minister of Finance, …
The Speaker The Speaker Six? No problem. Members, we are now on to the second rea ding of the Registrar of Companies (Supervisi on and Regulation) Act 2020 in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections. Minister, continue. BILL SECOND READING REGISTRAR OF COMPANIES (SUPERVISION AND REGULATION) ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to introduce to thi s Honourable House the Registrar of Companies (Supervision and Regulation) Act 2020 to facilitate greater efficiency …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank you,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Go right ahead. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just had a [INAUDIBLE] because I think the Minister has explained the purpose for which this transfer is being made from the F IA …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, please, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like the Deputy Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, yo u have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, about a month ago I was coming out of the parking lot of Parliament and I saw the Mi nister of Finance. We had a brief conversation, and he said to me, You know, since I have been in Parliament I have been assessing …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker, MP Pearman.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister, thank you for your sensible present ation. Both of my colleagues who spoke just prior to me have really touched upon the points that I actually wanted to raise as well. So I will just raise them very briefly. I think that the general concern, …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, please. This is Cole S imons.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like the Honourable Member Simons. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, very much. I will be very, very brief. As my colleagues have said, there has been a shi ft in regard to the world and functions of the Registrar of Companies from a repository to a regulator. I take the view that with the financial intelligence there is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? There are none. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, I would like to thank Honourable Members for their contributions, and particularly for their expressions of concern about the burden that is being placed …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House in Committee at 7:24 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess , Sr., Chair man] COMMITTEE ON BILL REGISTRAR OF COMPANIES (SUPERVISION AND REGULATION) ACT 2020
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled Registrar of Companies (Supervision and Regulation) Act 2020 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, this Bill provides for the Registrar of Companies supervisory and reg ulatory functions …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is the citation. Clause 2 is the interpretation provision provi ding cross references to other AML/ATF Acts for the definition of certain technical terms used in this Act . Clause 3 provides for the Registrar of supervisory and regulatory functions and powers under …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, you want to move the clauses? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 10 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 10 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 10 passed.] 4498 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Schedule be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Schedule passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the B ill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be r eported to the House. Thank you, Minister Dickinson. Mr. Speaker. [Motion carried: The Registrar of Companies (Supervision and Regul …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Registrar of Companies (Supervision and Regulation) Act 2020 being reported to the House as printed? There are no objections. The Bill has been reported to the House. We will now move on to the next item. Mini …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Can you hear me?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we hear you now and we can see you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Parliamentary Election Amendment Act 2020 be now read the second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objection to that? There are no objections. Minister, continue. BILL SECOND READING PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, voting is a fundamental process in a democratic society. When we find weaknesses and obstacles in voting laws it is i mportant that we fix those, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Furbert. Are there any further speakers? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sorry, I will defer to the Opposition Leader.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Cannonier, Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Canno nier: Thank you, very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Let me first thank the Honourable Minister Furbert for the overview that he has just given. It was quite thorough. The Shadow Minister, Pat Gordon-Pamplin, and I had …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member, Opposition Leader, Mr. Cannonier. Minister Foggo. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am elated to be able to participate in this debate. Can you hear me, Mr. Deputy Speaker?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I hear you loud and clear from St. George’s. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Okay. I’m sorry. I am elated to be able to participate in this debate. And I want to thank my honourable colleague, Minister Furbert , for bringing these changes forward. In fact, any change that a government …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, continue. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: “Democracy” (over all is said) “is not an easy form of government, because it is ne ver final; it is a living, changing organism.” And the Minister and the Government of the day recognising that have responded to that. And in so doing, going …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. The Deputy Speaker recognises Honourable Member Ms. Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I have just a few points to make, one of which was made earlier by my Leader, but I think it is som ething . . . especially …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ms. Atherden, can you put your picture up, please? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Can I put my picture up? Just a moment.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. I want to see if it is you. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Wait a minute. Are you getting me?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, okay. [Laughter] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay. Do I need to still have it up?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I won’t answer that, but conti nue. [Laughter] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay. So anyway, I . . . So is that okay? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: All right, so I will continue. So the reason I felt the need to talk about this just a little further …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. [No audible response]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Deputy Speaker, I think you are muted.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Deputy Speaker, we cannot hear you.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker My apologies. [Feedback]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Ho nourable Minister Rabain.
Mr. Christopher Famous No, I was [raising] a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh, I’m sorry. I was muted. Point of order. What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order. This particular Honourable Member from constituency 19 continues to insinuate that one party is given information and that the other party is not. This is completely false. If we have information, the same information is sent to both parties at the same time every month, Mr. Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member Atherden, the Parliamentary Registrar’s Office cleared that up some time ago. Please stay away from that. There i s no evidence to any such allegations.
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman It is MP Pearman. I am afraid that the Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. You are quite right, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Parliamentary Registrar did clear it up, but what she said was that the information was provided to one party, namely the PLP, and not to the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Please stay away from that. That is my . . . if you cannot bring the evidence t onight, please stay away from that. I mean, you could be right, but I am not clear. Stay away — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, Honourable Premier. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know that the Honourable Member from constituency 22 was not in the House of Assembly at the time. But when the [Member] who is speaking right now, the Member for constituency 19, was the Opposition …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Premier. I would urge all Members to stay away from that. It is not true. Continue. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Deput y Speaker, I think I was clear in terms of what I just said. I said, when you have people now saying that their information …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, let’s stay away from that. Continue down a different road, please. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: All right, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am going to continue down my road. The second part of my road relates to the whole question of whether the parliamentary process is sufficiently robust, that …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, point of clarity. [No audible response]
Mr. Christopher Famous You are muted.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ms. Atherden, will you yield to a point of clarity. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I will, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Honourable Member Famous. POINT OF CLARITY
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, ev eryone who canvasses encounters someone who has moved. The only way to find out if they have moved is to continue canvassing. Do not put the onus on the Parliamentary Registrar.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I think my colleague is missing the point. The Parliamentary Registrar has a respons ibility throughout the year, which is why they have the staff to be able to go out and do what I call the rolling reviews. And all …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: —which is the fact that it is very important that we continue to make sure that anybody who is eligible to cast a vote be able to do it which, to me, is getting registered as quickly as poss ible when you are 18, to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister Rabain, will you u nmute your microphone? We cannot hear you. Go ahead, Minister. [No audible response]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We still can’t hear you. Are you having technical difficulties, Minister, because we do not hear y ou? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Can you hear me now, Mr. Deputy Speaker? I am speaking. Can you hear me?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Can you hear me, Mr. Deputy Speaker?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, I hear you, Minister. [Crosstalk; F eedback] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, there are a few other people who have their microphones on.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Am I good to go now?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, you are good to go, Mini ster. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. First, I would like to thank those who have worked on this Bill, the Parliamentary Registrar and the Minister. Once again, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Progressive Labour Party is leading the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker [Thank you], Mr. Rabain. Are there any speakers from the Opposition? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, sir. It’s MP Gordon- Pamplin.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Ms. Gordon- Pamplin, continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, my comments are going to be ever so very brief. I did have the opportunity along with my Leader to have an audience with the Minister as he w as going through the …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of clarity, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are you prepared to y ield for a point of clarity? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Absolutely.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue— POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Christopher Famous The Honourable Member who shares the same colour as me today —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is wonderful.
Mr. Christopher Famous I love her passion. I love it. But let me reemphasise something that I said to the Honourable Member from constituency 19. If people canvass, they can see who has moved. And if you canvass you can find out where they moved to. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I take …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I take the Honourable Member’s point because I canvass and canvass and then canvass some more. It is kind of what we do. And they are not the only ones who canvass. What I am saying is that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I understand what the Honourable Member is saying. I do believe that it is misleading. We have a process in place that you can file an objection with the Parliamentary Registrar if …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Member from the Government made the point. I think the solution is already there. So, can we move from there? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I just wanted to say that although the solution exists, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we are still not 100 per cent there. So I think …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You will never get 100 per cent. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: There is probably somebody . . . nobody enjoys knocking on doors, ot her than MP Famous . . . there is probably nobody who enjoys knocking on doors more than I. I am not saying that other …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Speak for yourself. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I said very few people enjoy it more than me.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I agree with that Honourable Member Burgess . [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: All I am saying is that we send in as much information as we can through the canvassing process. We deliver that i nformation to the Registrar as much as we can. We register new people …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member, Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Tinee Furbert.
Mrs. Tinee F urbert Good evening Mr. Deputy Speaker. I have great pleasure to be able to speak on this Bill this evening because it has been one month long awaited. We have actually worked on this and looked forward to changes to this piece of legislation for a while to be able to …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert To say that — 4510 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Is there a point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Mislea ding] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes sir. The Honourable Member indicated that an ybody can have a parliamentary drive. Yes, everyone …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You said 22. Hon. Patr icia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —I said 22. It was in place since 1998.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Apologies. It sounded like “42. ” So I retract that. But I am making the point that there are changes to the parliamentary register. So we cannot act like there are no changes. There are changes. So, as legislators, we do change laws. When we get in power we have …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any other Members from the Opposition wanting to speak? [No audible reply]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There appear to be none. Brother Famous, Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good evening, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Can you see me clearly?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I see you very clearly, sir.
Mr. Christopher Famous Can you verify the colours I have on? I have on the [INAUDIBLE ].
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Those are Harris Bay colours, blue and white.
Mr. Christopher Famous Blue and blue. Mr. Deputy Speaker, first of all I want to thank the staff at the Parliamentary Registrar’s office, Ms. Tenia Woolridge, Ms. Sheila Jones, Ms. Smith [sic], and there i s also a young lady, she was a Ball, but she is also a Romaine. So, that is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, sir. You can.
Mr. Christopher Famous I am quoting: 2“The OBA’s goal in requiring eligible voters to register every four or five years by a defined date, prior to a fixed term election, will move the process of voting in Bermuda forward by building on the experience of the past while not repeating its mistakes.” Well, …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, in closing, we must separate ourselves from those racist policies in America and the racist policies and ideas of the UBP, and we must allow all those who are breathing, all who are of sound mind, and all who are willing, the ability to vote. I close here, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Famous. Thank you, Deputy, for sitting in. Does any other Member wish t o speak?
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, do you see my colours?
The Speaker The Speaker That red and blue you are wearing? Yes, I saw that.
Mr. Christopher Famous Am I properly attired, sir ?
The Speaker The Speaker You need a reflection of what you see here. Does any other Member wish to speak? Bermuda House of Assembly [No audible reply]
The Speaker The Speaker No other Member. Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would first of all like to thank everyone who has spoken today. We have learned a lot. It is clear th ere are still things that we can do as a party and as a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Deputy. House in Committee at 9:00 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION AME NDMENT ACT 2020
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled Parliamentary Election Amendment Act 2020 . Mr. Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, clause 1 is self-explanatory. Clause 2 amends section— The Chai rman: You want …
The Chairman Chairman Are you asking me, or are you asking the Opposition? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Opposition if we can move them all.
The Chairman Chairman No, y ou have to ask the Chairman. You want to do clauses 1 through 10? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, Mr. Chairman. We can do clauses 1 through 10.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Well, continue. Hon. Wayn e L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, clause 1 is self-explanatory, as I mentioned. Clause 2 amends section 3(2) to allow a person who is released from prison on licence be regi stered in the parliamentary register. Clause 3 amends section 4(2)(e) to allow a person who …
The Chairman Chairman We can hear. We can hear. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. Clause 5(c) amends section 40(3) to reference the certificate issued under the new section 40(2C). Clause 5(d) amends section 40(3A) to provide that any advanced poll (not only an advanced poll r eferred to in that section) may be …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Are there any further speakers? Any speakers? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Opposition Leader here.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Opposition Leader, Mr. Cannonier, Honourable Member, you have the floor. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Member, are you having difficulties, Mr. Cannonier? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: My apologies. I t hought I was unmuting, and I muted.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Let me put my camera on for this procedure. Clause 5, [proposed section 40](4C) . . . I guess I was looking just for some more clarification around the exceptional cir cumstances that we did not get a quite clear understanding of. Clause 5, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Unmute yourself, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, shall I answer one at a time, or do you want to go through ever ybody?
The Chairman Chairman No. Go ahead, Minister. Answer now. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. To get clarification, are you talking about any other exceptional circumstances? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: That is correct. We understand COVID -19, because a large part of this came about because of COVID -19—it’s distancing. But certainly the intent …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a further question. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes. Continue, Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know if my video is on or not. But I tried to—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I hear you. Go ahead, Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Good. Honourable Minister, I would be grateful to know in respect of page 3 of the Bill, clause 5, just below the section to which the Honourable Opposition Leader was speaking is a newly inserted section 40(4D) (“D” for David). And it says that where an order is made under …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: What clause is that, Honou rable Member?
The Chairman Chairman [Proposed section 40](4D) on page 3. Clause 5, [proposed section 40](4D). Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Honourable Member, I promise you I will get back to you on . . . Hold on. I am getting the words “because it is discr etiona ry for operational purposes only.” [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Any further questions?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. I am sorry. I think I heard your answer, Honourabl e Minister, as being oper ational reasons. Let me just probe a little bit further b ecause it seems odd. The Statutory Instruments Act, as you know, is all about the ability to have parliamentary scrutiny over statutory instruments. …
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions of the Minister? No further questions? Minister, you want to move the clauses 1 through 10? Hon. Way ne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 10.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 10 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 10 passed.] Hon. Wa yne L. Furbert: I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. It has been moved that the pr eamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be r eported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Parliamentary Elect ion Amendment Act 2020 was considered by a Committee …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister, Mr. Furbert. Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 9:12 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION AMENDMENT ACT 2020 4516 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you, Deputy. Members, are there any …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE (SALARIES AND PENSIONS) AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Bill has been read the third time by its title only and i s passed. [Motion carried: The Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Amendment Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, continue. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker , I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move the Bill entitled Public Service Superannuation Temporary Amendment Act 2020 be now read the third time by its title only.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, any objections to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING PUBLIC SERVICE SUPERANNUATION TEMPORARY AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read by its title the third time and passed. [Motion carried: The Public Service Superannuation Temporary Amendment Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Mr. Speaker. SUSPENSION OF STA NDING ORDER 21 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move the Bill entitled National Pension Scheme (O ccupational Pensions) Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 be now read the third time by its …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Are there any objections to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title …
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read the third time by its title only and has passed. [Motion carried: The National Pension Scheme (O ccupational Pensions ) Amendment (No. 2) Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I move that Standing O rder 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled Registrar of Companies (Supervision and Regulations) Act 2020 be now read for the third time by its …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Are there any objections to that? No objections. Minister, continue. [ Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING REGISTRAR OF COMPANIES (SUPERVISION AND REGULATIONS) ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third by its title only and …
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read the third time by its title only and has pass ed. [ Motion carried: The Registrar of Companies (Supervision and Regulations) Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister of Cabinet. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled Parliamentary Election Amendment Act 2020 be now read the third time by its title only.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections. Continue, Minister. [ Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed. The Speaker: The Bill …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ministers. Mr. Premier. BILL WITHDRAWN [Standing Order 48] GAMING (TRANSFER OF FUNCTIONS) ACT 2020 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the provisions of Standing Order 48, I move to withdraw the Bill entitled the Gaming (Transfer of Functions) Act 2020 that was tabled …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Premier has asked for us to suspend the rules so he can have the Bill wit hdrawn and replaced. Are there any objections to that? No. [Motion passed: The Gaming (Transfer of Functions) Act 2020 was withdrawn.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Premier. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 14 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 14 be suspended to enable me to introduce the following revised Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Are there any objections to that? 4518 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Ber muda House of Assembly No objections.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Friday, July 24th. And I do know that some of my Members would like to speak to the motion to adjourn, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, Mr. Premier, I had the gavel in my hand that time.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, yes. Continue. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Who are you acknowledging, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker I think that was Mr. Dunkley’s voice I heard. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is correct, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. MP Dunkley, you have the floor. You have your 20 minutes. CABINET MINISTERS’ VIOLATION OF COVID -19 REGULATIONS AT BLU RESTAURANT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And good evening to colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I think by now everyone has seen the videos —dancing on tables, dancing …
Mr. Wayne Caines Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, we will take a point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Wayne Caines Mr. Speaker, there were not two applications. There were not two applications. That is definitely incorrect. There was another letter that came in, Mr. Speaker, as an addendum to the first letter.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the former Minister for that comment. There was another letter that came in. So because of the [former] Minister’s interjection, now the question has arisen: Why the need for a second letter? Did Government refuse the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. I believe that I heard Minister Burch. Minister Burch, would you like to make a contribution at this point?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS REGARDING DR. CARIKA WELDON
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, she abruptly left her job at Oxford. She came home to help her country. She spent 14 days in quarantine and worked every day of those 14 days coordinating and designing the lab at Southside. She designed the COVID -19 drive- through testing facility. She recruited an army …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker It sounds like the Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor. SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS REGARDING DR. CARIKA WELDON Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speak er. Mr. Speaker, I certainly support and agree with the words of Minister Burch on Dr. Carika Weldon. I know her grandfather, Sinclair …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member, week in and week, out misleads the House with his rubbish. If there are any cases that the police investigate, that is up to the police. If the Honourable Member has any information …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue with your contribution. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, that is no fiction. I can give him a report on the chief investigat-ing officer. Michael Dunkley, you were not investigated, because of your white privile ge! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is total nonsense! And I …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Members, Members, Members. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I ask that the comment be withdrawn. The Member is out of line.
The Speaker The Speaker I have got it. Deputy, I take your point, but I think the comments may need to be withdrawn. But your point is made. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: What comments need to be withdrawn, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Just the personal piece in reference to the Member. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: What was the personal piec e? I made no accusations on him. I said it was drugs in his container. That is not mine; that is public knowledge. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is wrong, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Dunkley, Mr. Dunkley. MP Dunkley, MP Dunkley. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Dunkley. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Let us come back to order here. Hon. Michael H . Dunkley: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Both Members, Deputy and MP Dunkley. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker The comments were comments that have been in the public knowledge to the degree of the fact that there had been a container. Ther e was a container that was investigated. There were people who went to jail. Public knowledge. The comments that seem to be personal are whether or …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, I am trying to line out what was said thus far. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker, but I am trying to help you with facts.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, the question that was left open just now is the comment that implied that investigating yourself had not been done. And some facts do support that? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I can table the papers next week in Parliament if you want me to, Mr. Speaker, the report. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members. Here is how we are going to handle this. Here is how we are going to handle this. The points that we laid out as to being factual were factual. Both sides agree on that. The parts that needed further support . . . Deputy, you i …
The Speaker The Speaker I would ask you to table it next week. And then once it is tabled, we can speak from it being tabled. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Not a problem.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And in the meantime, wit hdraw and hold until we have it tabl ed. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Well, I have not made an accusation, Mr. Speaker, to withdraw anything. [Crosstalk] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: If I had actually …
The Speaker The Speaker Both Members! Both Members! Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I do not want anybody to be attacked!
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, Members. The comment that was made was that, Mr. Dunkley, you had not been investigated. The other parts that we laid out, we all agreed were factual. The piece that the Member stated was that you had not been inv estiga ted. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker He is now saying that — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, why would —
The Speaker The Speaker He is now saying — Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, why would somebody be —
The Speaker The Speaker Let me finish. Mr. Dunkley, let me fi nish. He is now stating that he has documentation or evidence to support that you were or you were not. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, but his document ation, Mr. Speaker, is something he can make up over the next week.
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Make it up? I am not making it up.
The Speaker The Speaker I am saying at this point that both of you, that we are going to move on from this point until the evidence can be produced. If the evidence cannot be produced, he will not be able to speak to it. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And, Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Dunkley, what I have said to you on this ma tter tonight . . . the matter for tonight is closed. Next week the document has to be produced, and we will make a decision at that point as to whether or not there is any life for this …
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will let you finish. Yes,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Okay. Correct. Y ou are clearly stating that you had no involvement. The Member is saying that he has documentation that may prove otherwise. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No, no, no. No, no, no, Mr. Speaker. N o, no. [INAUDIBLE ] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: See, now he is …
The Speaker The Speaker Let me finish. Let me finish. I am not finished. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker Until I see those documents, I cannot rule on either side. So at this point, I am asking you . . . I am asking that this matter, this topic be stopped at this point until the document is produced next week. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker When I see the document, I can then rule on where he can or cannot go. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No problem. I will move away from that right now. Now, Mr. Speaker — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, this is unacceptable. So …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Dunkley, Member Dunkley. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker What I am asking is to cease . . . I have asked him to cease and desist on that line that he was going on tonight. He cannot go down that road tonight. The pieces that he stated that were factual, we all agree were factual. Anything else that …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. So we will end and cease on that tonight. The Member will have to produce for me sup4526 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly port of the comments that he has made. And if it has not been supported, the matter will have to be …
The Speaker The Speaker MP Dunkley —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order, Mr. Speaker!
The Speaker The Speaker I have asked that the matter ends here. I do not need any other support from anybody else. No, no. We will not take any input from anybody else. The mat ter on this topic is closed tonight. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker The Member has indicated that it is his opinion he has a document that will support the view that he was going to. I have asked that until this House, until the Speaker has had eyes on that d ocument, we cannot go down that road. Once I have eyes …
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy, provided you stay away from that su bject. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I promise I will honour what you said, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker And naturally we will expect the doc umentation. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. You will get it. I am not going to make it up, either. Hon. Michae l H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, it is unacceptable. I have made my point. And I will make sure we follow this …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Dunkley — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: —I have the document right here.
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Both Mem bers. Both Members. We will close the House this evening if you Members are not prepared to move forward. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I am ready to move,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker I asked that we close this matter and go forward. Hon. Derrick V. Burge ss, Sr.: Yes. I am with you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker I am fine going home early, you know. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker — [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker We will not have this discussion around here. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. Speaker, the remarks need to be retracted until next week! They need to be retracted until next week!
The Speaker The Speaker The Member . . . the Member has been told to leave this matter alone for tonight. The co mments that were made indicated that there was inte ntion by . . . not the word intention, but there were i mplications. And I have asked him not to go …
The Speaker The Speaker I expect you to be back. [Crosstalk] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will be back and the dri vel that MP Burgess put out will have to be retracted.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, sir. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Absolute drivel.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. Do you want me to continue, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Provided you will move on. ACKNOWLEDGING WORK DONE BY FORMER MINISTERS CAIN AND DE SILVA Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, sir! Mr. Speaker, I have agre ed with you for the last 10 minutes. I am ready to move on. Mr. Speaker, let me say about [former] Mini ster …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak?
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Christopher Famous Can you hear me, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it sounds like Mr. Famous?
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes. I am going to tr ead carefully because I am sure others want to get in on the action, too. Mr. Speaker, three years ago . . . Can you see me, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. ACKNOWLEDGING WORK DONE BY FORMER MINISTERS CAIN AND DE SILVA 4528 17 July 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Christopher Famous: Okay. Jus t making sure. Three years ago a poll showed that the bi ggest concerns of the people of Bermuda, of this I sland, …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We j ust went through a situation of speculation, and now the Honourable Member is speculating on the intent of the questions that were being asked. If we are going to continue in this vein, we need to end the …
The Speaker The Speaker Members — Hon. L. Craig Cann onier: People were only asking questions to get to the details of what is going on. And whenever PLP is asks a question, it has got to be some kind of conspiracy behind it.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And this Honourable Member leads it!
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Member —
Mr. Christopher Famous See, I would ask him a certain plane ride, but I will leave that alone.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members — [Crosstalk] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: [INAUDIBLE] about a drug dealing! Why don’t we go dow n to that? Want to speculate? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I was dealing with you!
The Speaker The Speaker Members. I have muted everybody b ecause you all need to listen. It has been a long day. W e can have this m otion to adjourn on an even keel, or we can close the House— one of the two options. I am not having it any other way. …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, let me move on. Let me be like the Deputy. I am moving on. Mr. Speaker, I just want people of Bermuda to have the same energy when it comes to remembering that [former] Minister Caines worked day and night with others to bring peace on our streets, …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, three years ago today, July 17 th, 2017, we were all candidates. Some like myself and MP Tinee Furbert, Minister Renee, were first -time candidates. Your son, first -time candidate. Others such as yourself and the Deputy Speaker, candidates for the 100th time. We all went to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The gavel was in my hand.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Would any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Hon. Michael J. Sco tt: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Wayne Caines I would like to speak, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Is that— Hon. Michael J. Scott: I will defer to Mr. Caines.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Caines?
Mr. Wayne Caines Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Caines, you have the floor.
Mr. Wayne Caines Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker If you can, you can turn your . . . Yes, your video is not on.
Mr. Wayne Caines Good evening to you, sir. I know you can appreciate the colour of my tie this evening.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Blue, blue, blue! FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER’S APOLOGY AND OUTLINE OF ACHIEVEMENTS
Mr. Wayne Caines I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak on this motion to adjourn, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, these last two weeks have been some of the most difficult times in my life, my family’s life and my constituency’s life and in my party’s exis tence. I would like …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker That sounds like Mr. Commissiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, it is, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Mr. Commissiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, I want to thank you for acknowledging me.
The Speaker The Speaker Turn your video on, Mr. Commissiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, sir. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank you for ack nowledging me. It is not easy to hear what we heard from the former Minister Caines. He comes from a family who has always been involved in public service and a family who have a deep and abiding involvement …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, that is the Latin. Yes, I am aware of that, MP. And thank you for that. I was just translating it into English. PLP THIRD -YEAR ANNIVERSARY
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong But July 18 th, which is t omorrow, which marks the third anniversary of the PLP Government’s victory, seems like 1,000 years away now. It seems so long ago. And there is one reason why I think I can make that assertion with some conf idence. It is because the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Government Whip next. Whip. PLP THIRD- YEAR ANNIVERSARY
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would first like to start off by picking up where our first speaker, Minister Burch, left off in just recognising those Bermudians who have contributed in such a positive manner. And I thought about how . . . (Member, your microphone …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I would just like to talk about those Bermudians who have contributed a lot. But also I think that I would like to sort of take up also where, and start to answer a question that the Oppos ition Deputy Leader asked. She asked the question earlier today and on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, I would like to— Michael Scott.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michae l J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . It is good to be coming from Somerset. I gather you are still in your Chambers in this sitting.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, in the Chambers. BLACK LIVES MATTER Hon. Michael J. Scott: Your constituency, as you know, borders mine. Mr. Speaker, my remarks tonight. . . I begin by acknowledging that a great deal of political, social and human events have been crammed into our lives lat ely. I think most …
The Speaker The Speaker MP, your last minute. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I will pick this up in the next and final session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou. Does any other Member wish to speak?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Mr. Swan? I hear you, I did not see you, but —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, I just activated my —
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Swan, you have your 20 minutes. PLP THI RD-YEAR ANNIVERSARY
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, as we take this opportunity t onight to reflect on the third anniversary of our PLP vi ctory in 2017, I want to take the opportunity first to pay Bermuda House of Assembly homage to one person who was embraced that night, along …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourabl e Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak?
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Good evening, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, MP Furbert. How are you? You have your 20 minutes.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert I am fine, thank you. I am sure I will not use my w hole 20 minutes.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. THANKING ESSENTIAL WORKINGS DURING THE COVID -19 PANDEMIC
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Many of our colleagues this evening have highlighted the great works and the great amazing people that we have in our country, people who are highly qualified, doing some great works for our country. I am told this evening that the essential wor kers and healthcare workers down at the …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert On 13 July, there was a campaign which was put out there by the Coalition for the Protection of Children. And it spoke to protect our girls. And many of us have children in our lives, boys and girls —children —in our lives. But this particular campaign spoke to protecting …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, one Member is tr ying to speak. The others left you. I do not know why you cannot hear him. Minister Rabain. But I am trying to close.
The Speaker The Speaker Is there another Member — [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Minister Rabain, we cannot hear you. Mr. Speaker, I know that Minister Rabain was trying to speak, but . . . I see his lips moving . . .
The Speaker The Speaker Let’s see . . . no, his mi crophone is on from this end. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, he cannot speak. Mr. Speaker, I am happy to close.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, well, Premier . . . PLP THIRD -YEAR ANNIVERSARY Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker . . . oh, you need m y face. My apologies. I will turn on my video. Mr. Speaker, the hour is certainly late.
The Speaker The Speaker I agree. [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: And there is much that has already been said this evening, Mr. Speaker . My comments will hopefully not take the full 20 minutes. But I think it is important that we recognise that, as it is now after midnight and it is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier, for bringing us to a close this evening. Members, it has been a long day. I trust you will get s ome rest this weekend and the House will now stand adjourned until Friday next at 10:00 am. Good evening, Members. [At 12:21 am (Saturday, 18 …
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