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March 11, 2020

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The Health Minister provided a detailed update on Bermuda's COVID-19 preparedness efforts, including health screening at the airport, ordering hand sanitizers and protective equipment, and establishing protocols for cruise ships. Eight people have been tested for COVID-19 so far, with three negative results and five still pending from the Caribbean Public Health Agency. The Education Minister announced a comprehensive mathematics intervention program for all primary schools, following successful results at Harrington Sound Primary School where student scores improved significantly.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 11, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 14
Speeches 343

Key Topics

COVID-19 preparedness measures and screening procedures at ports of entryMathematics intervention program being rolled out across all primary schoolsTesting procedures for suspected COVID-19 cases and turnaround timesTemperature screening equipment being considered for airports

Bills & Motions

Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) 2018/19 was submitted by the Finance Minister for House consideration
Minutes from March 6, 2020 were confirmed
No bills were debated or voted on during this sitting

Notable Moments

Opposition members pressed the Health Minister on when temperature screening would begin at the airport, with the Minister confirming thermal scanners are being actively pursued
There was some confusion about COVID-19 test kit availability, with questions about whether rapid tests exist and when local testing capacity might be available
The Education Minister shared enthusiastic student quotes from math booster sessions, including "I never thought I would enjoy a whole day of math"

Debate Transcript

343 speeches from 14 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 6 March 2020 ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from March 6 have been circulated. Are there any omissions, corrections, amendments? There are none. The Minutes are co nfirmed as printed. [ Minu tes of 6 March 2020 confirmed]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes from the 9th of March have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker The only announcement this morning is that we have been notified by MP Leah Scott that she will be absent today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker We have one this morning in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE ( NO. 1 ) 2018/19 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the powers conferred by section 96 of the Constit ution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We have two Statements this morning. The first is in the name of the Minister of Health. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Good morning, Mr. Speaker. [ Pause] COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Spe aker and Honourable Members, I know everyone in Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The second Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Education. Minister. A MA THEMATICS INTERVENTION PROGRAMME FOR PRIMARY SCHOOLS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, t oday I stand before you and my honourable colleagues to share some …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That brings us to a close of the Statements for this morning. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker We have two, actually more Honour able Members who have indicated that they would like to put questions to the Minister of Health in reference to her Statement. Minister, the first Member who would like to put a question to you is the Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member, you …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I thank the Honourable Member for that question. I am afraid I do not have the exact date. But it has been several weeks when the exact questioning [started]. And it is not testing by the customs officers. …
The Speaker The Speaker Sure. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: They ask them insofar as, whilst they were travelling, what were they doing? In other words, have they been around other persons who had symptoms of COVID? Have they gone to places that had COVID (i.e., working within facilities such as hospital settings, et cetera, …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I guess more of a clarific ation on the question that I asked and the answer I am looking for. There were two different answers. When did we start questioning at the border? And when was the nurse put in place at the actual …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: If the Honourable Member would consider that as being the next phase that she would be moving into, I think that would be great.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you, and I thank the Honourable Member for that question. Mr. Speaker, I can say that the Ministry of Health i s exploring all avenues as it relates to prevention and including in that particular area and avenue, so to speak, is the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I thi nk one of your Members wants a supplementary, right? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, supplementary. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Just following off what the Minister’s response was according to having somebody who is actually showing symptoms and going through the questionnaire and then potentially having to be taken to the hospital for further testing, what would happen if that person was showing those …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you. And I thank the Honourable Member for that question. Mr. Speaker, what happens to the passenger on the plane? Obviously, we as a jurisdiction cannot control what Delta Airlines does if a passenger is exhibiting symptoms. I do understand, though, from our …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, supplementary. So the issue is that once that person has been taken to the hospital and they are going through the testing and there is a five- day period waiting for the test to come back, the other people who potentia lly were exposed to it have gone home …
The Speaker The Speaker If I make it through the airport, what happ ens? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I beg your pardon?
The Speaker The Speaker My interpretation is, if I make it through the airport process, what happens when I get home and I realise I have it? Is that basically what you are asking?
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: If you get home and you realise you have it, first you will not know if you have it unless you have had a test. Secondly, you will have sym ptoms. So if you are experiencing any type of sym ptoms —respiratory symptoms, elevated fever, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Opposition Leader, did you want to go to your second question now? [Inaudible interjection] B ermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Oh, supplementary off of his question? Okay. Supplementary.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Would the Honourable Member please just confirm or deny [whether] the testing that has been done on people who have exhibited severe symptoms that could potentially be COVID -19, [whether] the tests which have been provided so far actually even cover the COVID -19? Or are they si mple influenza …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The tests that we have been doing on the eight persons are tests for COVID -19. The test is done. The specimen is taken, and the test is currently being done by CARPHA (Caribbean Public Health Agency) in Trinidad.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Whether or not those patients have also been tested for influenza, I believ e they have. But they certainly have been tested for the COVID -18 [sic].
The Speaker The Speaker COVID -19. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Excuse me, Mr. Speaker. Eight persons have been tested. Three have come back negative, and we are waiting for the results of the ot hers.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have a suppl ementary, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: My first suppl ementary is, What is the timeline expected between sending the samples off for testing and receiving the results back? Because presumably the samples themselves have to physically be taken to Trinidad and then results will come back by email or …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Actually, they are not taken physically to Trinidad, they are doing it all by Fed-Ex and so forth. It takes four to five days from the moment that the sample is taken to the receipt of the results —between four and five days.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Kim N. Wilso n: And can I just add?
The Speaker The Speaker Sure. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Again, notwithstanding that it would take between four and five days, we are currently exploring, as I indicated in the Ministerial Statement, Mr. Speaker, with our international par tners as well as locally the availability to test here on Island. However, if a person is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just referring to just slightly earlier within this section of the Minister’s response in terms of thermal monitors, how far away are we from actually obtaining them? I know the Minister indicated that they were exploring it. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: It would appear that we could have been a little bit more proactive as opposed to be just exploring now. I am just wonder3584 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly ing, How far away is the receipt of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. And I thank the Honourable Member for t hat question. And as I have indicated previously, this is a time for us to all come together to try to address this issue. And by making false claims, particularly alleged . . …
The Speaker The Speaker We wi ll take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I think it is important that . . . I misspoke and I immediately corrected the misstatement. So I think that it is important, as opposed to . . . I immediately corrected. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Opposition Leader, would you like to put your second question now? QUESTION 2: COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I have a bunch of questions. Second question: She mentioned the hand sanitiser shipment coming in. And I was just curious. E xactly who is that shipment …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? No supplementary. Third question? No more? We will move on, Minister, to the next Member who wants to ask a question, the Member from constituency 22. MP Pe arman, would you like to put your ques tion? QUESTION 1: COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thanks to the Honourable and Learned Minister for her very helpful Statement today. What we understand you to say is that there are no confirmed cases in Bermuda at present. That there have been eight [persons] tested. Three tested proved negative, and five are pending. …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. I thank that Honourable and Learned Member for his question. Just two things, real quickly, Mr. Speaker. There was a question previously asked about whether COVID . . . whether the persons who have been tes ted . . . eight in total, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman I thank you for the Minister’s a nswer. And indeed my colleagues just mentioned to me that the reference to Tuesday may have, in fact, been from the Premier and not from the Minister. So an yway, I was working from memory. 3586 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker I think she said that was. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Honourable Mem ber for his ques tion. I am supported by a very, very talented team who are committed to this particular process. This is not their first rodeo, so to …
The Speaker The Speaker Constituency 31. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: His concern with respect to the spread. So we have to make sure that what we get is FDA approved, World Heal th Organization approved, approved by PAHO, internationally accepted that will be able to have a valid result.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: The Minister mentioned about the fact that we have people who have been involved in this, and this is not their first rodeo. And then that just reminded me that in the past, especially with SARS, one of the things that we were able …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I cannot answer that, Mr. Speaker. I will have to confirm with the team, because I do not know that there is any type of system. When the ships come in we have the cert ificate from the Port of Health that will indicate …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Your third question?
Mr. Scott Pearman Second question. The other one was a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am only entitled to two, I believe.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman And this is my final question.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. QUESTION 2: COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE
Mr. Scott Pearman Again I thank the Honourable and Learned Health Minister. I think it really is useful to hear from you and for this to be shared with Parli ament, because it is our opportunity to share this fur-ther with the public. And the more the public knows, the less there is …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman Probably an Order is all that is necessary for duty relief. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I do not have a time frame. We are actual ly . . . [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Today? Look at that! The Minister of Finance has just indicated that the …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Grat eful.
The Speaker The Speaker No further questio ns from the Member from constituency 22. The next Member who has indicated that they have questions is the Member from constituency 31. Would you like to still put your question?
Mr. Ben Smith Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. QUESTION 1: COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE
Mr. Ben Smith Once again, we obviously are not trying to get fear with this. We are just trying to get information because the population is feeling anxious mainly because the international news is showing quite a different outlook than where we are presently in Bermuda. So my question is around . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again as it relates to the information that we have within the Ministry, which is coming from the World Health Organization, Pan Amer ican Health Agency, as well as CDC —so those are our international bodies. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Do you have any further questions? No further questions. The Opposition Whip is the last Member who indicated that she would like to put some questions to you, Minister. Madam Whip. QUESTION 1: COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. My question is around unexpected diversions to the Island. So if an airplane is diverted to Bermuda because someone may have had some symptoms before the flight and then got on the flight and the fever came back and was escalating, what is the …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. And I thank the Honourable Member for that question. That is a scenario which has been discussed heavily in the PHERT team. And what is expected and anticipated is that . . . well, first let me back up. B ecause our airline …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You said patients. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Patients. Sorry, the patients. The rest of the patients . . passengers . The other pa ssengers would continue on. It is similar to when they have a divergence now when there is a person who has a heart cond ition. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Supplementary, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you. So my supplementary question would be, Do we have the equipment for the professionals, the first responders, that would provide the protective gear needed should they have to face an unexpected emergency such as this? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is called PPE. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further questions? Oh, yes. QUESTION 2: COVID -19 PREPAREDNESS UPDATE
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I would like to ask the Mini ster if the Lamb Foggo Clinic has ever been considered as a site in the event that we need to quarantine [some patients] or for acute cases? I would not know necessarily what the source of the use would be, but whether that …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. I thank the Honourable Member for that question, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, the Lamb Foggo site is a medical facility, so we would not consider that to be an appr opriate site for the quarantine. However, in circumstances if we obviously require more medical attention …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No further questions? That brings us to a close of the question- andanswer period. And we can move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member like to add condolences or a congratulat ory remark? There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Bill this morning in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. FIRST READING CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill, which according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution requires the Go vernor’s recommendation, so …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker We are now on the Orders of the Day. And, Members, as you know, we are here to resume in the Committee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2020/21. And this morning, I believe it is Labour, Community Affairs …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objection. So moved. Thank you, Minister of Finance. MP Tyrrell, would you like to come forward and take the Chair. House in Committee at 11:16 am [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Honourable Members. We are resuming now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Esti mates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21. Heads 20, 60, 52 and 71 are now to be debated. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed. MINISTRY OF LABOUR, COMM UNITY AFFAIRS AND SPORTS Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, indeed I am pleased to present the financial year 2020/21 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Ministry of Labour, Community Affairs and Sports. Mr. Chairman, I will briefly discuss the Ministry as …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, may I just interrupt you for one minute, please? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, you may. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN HOUSE VISITORS
The Chairman Chairman I would like to recognise the presence of the students from Dellwood with their teachers, as well. Thank you all for coming. [Committee of Supply, Ministry of Labour, Community Affairs and Sports , debate, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, please proceed. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Sure. I will just reread that last sentence. Mr. Chairman, this does conclude my presentation on financial year 2020/21 budgetary allocation for Head 71, the Ministry H eadquarters. 3594 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly HEAD 20 —DEPARTMENT OF …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Continue. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I shall. I will conti nue with Head 52. HEAD 52 —DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Head 52, which is the D epartment of Community and Cultural Affairs, can be found on pages …
The Chairman Chairman We have 10 minutes. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Okay. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman I will take you through to lunch. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: I was not aware of the time. Thank you. Programme 5202, Cultural Affairs Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Chairman, business unit 62000, Grants to Organisations. Mr. Chairman, the total amount budgeted under this business unit for financial year 2020/21 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, we are about two minutes away from lunch. Will you complete the next unit? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: I can finish this page, and it should be less than two minutes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. 3600 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Okay , business unit 62020, Heritage Celebrations. Mr. Chairman, the total amount budgeted for this business unit for financial year 2020/21 is $274,000, an increase of $12,000, or 5 per cent, when compared to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister. Deputy, would you . . . Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good afternoon, Mr. Chai rman. I do move that we adjourn until 2:00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are adjourning until 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 MINISTRY OF LABOUR, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AND SPORT HEAD 52 —DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Honourable Members. We will resume with the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21. We are debating Heads 20, 60, 52 and 71 under Labour, Community Affairs and Sport. And I call on the Minister to proceed. Minister, …
The Chairman Chairman Understood. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you. Business Unit 62040—National Heroes Day Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Chairman, the amount budgeted for this business unit for financial year 2020/21 is $62,000. This represents an increase of $1,000, or 2 per cent when compared to the original budget in financial year …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. HEAD 60 —DEPARTMENT OF WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Chairman, I am now f ocused on the estimates of revenue and expenditure for the Department of Workforce Development, Head 60, found on pages B -270 to B …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would anyone else like to speak to the Heads? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. First, I would like to thank the Minister for a detailed presentatio n covering almost everything that is in the Budget Book so that, at this point, I am going to try to give some questions and then see if I can get some answers from …
The Chairman Chairman While we are waiting, for the listening audience, we are today debating Labour, Community Affairs and Sport. The Heads are 20, 60, 52 and 71.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. So, on page C -7, 75128, National Sports Centre Capital Grant, speaking specifically to the track that I asked about earlier under CARIFTA, if the Mini ster can give us some details on the last time the track was resurfaced, what the lifespan of the track …
The Chairman Chairman We will now hear from the Minister —I mean, excuse me, from the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I just have a couple of questions in relation to sport and I am going to run through them very quickly. When we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member . We will now hear fro m the Member from co nstituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: And I just have only one question because I know I would like to give my col-league lots of time to get his answer. This is getting back to the …
The Chairman Chairman The Minister will now — Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you Madam Chai rman—
The Chairman Chairman —take to her feet. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: —I forgot about that , yes. With, I think, the first sort of question that MP Smith put was with respect to consideration of bulk purchasing and the like. I can say that at the AGM of the national sports governing bodies, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. 3620 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Madam Chairman, I did want to have some questions in respect of Workf orce Development, but while the Minister is leaving her responses for …
Mr. Ben Smith Just another question —
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Member.
Mr. Ben Smith Just wondering if t here had been any discussion of moving Sand ys 360, which is a sports facility , from Works and Engineering to Youth and Sport, considering that it seems odd for it not to be under that domain. The Minister spoke to the numbers I was referring …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. We will now hear from the Member from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, this is piggybacking on the question that my colleague asked in terms of the two national governing bodies. Is it possible that the Minister can indicate to us the numbers of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you. First, let me answer the previous question about testing with BSADA and I have to say this: there are some tests that are [sent] overseas. However, I want to make it abundantly clear, if we do not have a testing facility here that …
The Chairman Chairman Would anyone else like to speak to the Heads? Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just want to very briefly go to Workforce Development and there are two questions that I have, one of which is on page B …
The Chairman Chairman Just before we go on, we are now just reflecting on the Workforce Development , Head 60. Minister? B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Let me answer it like this. I did list some of the businesses that we definitely do work with, but also, I pointed …
The Chairman Chairman We are now recognising the Minister from [constituency] 31.
Mr. B en S mith This i s still under H ead 60, Workforce Development on [page] B- 272. The Minister spok e to summer employment programme, that bei ng switched to wages. I f the Minister c an giv e us an idea of t he jobs t hat ar e available for t …
The Chairman Chairman Member from [constituency] 31.
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, the Minister spoke of a hospital ity survey a nd a job fair that was done with Hamilton Princess. So, with the several kind of hospitality pr ojects about to come online and obviously the introduc-tion of, hopefully, lots of jobs, can the Minister speak to the interest that …
The Chairman Chairman Member from [constituency] 23 —I mean 31, sorry.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. So, Minister when you discuss ed going through the process, in other words, there were so many applicants and then they had to be vetted and you go through all of the different, and you end up, I believe you said the number was 48— [ …
Mr. Ben Smith With the Hamilton Princes s. So, I guess the —out of 100- and-something. So, I guess the part that I am kind of querying is, it looks like there are going to be jobs , more like 650 jobs potentially , with the Southampton Princess project and when those come …
The Chairman Chairman Member from [constituen-cy] 23, you have the floor whilst I check the timec lock. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Oh, we still have five minutes? I have got plenty of time. My other question that I have is in looking at some …
The Chairman Chairman You got two more minutes. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, Member, I did speak to that in my brief. Yes, those —and where, if you will, for want of a better —we are enhancing that linkage because we want to make certain that persons who are on financial assistance . …
The Chairman Chairman With that, Minister, would you like to move the Heads for this debate and c on-clude? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 20, 60, 52 and 71 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been mov ed that Heads 20, 60, 52, and 71 be approved as printed. Are there a ny objections? No objections . Minister , it is so moved and that concludes this debate. [ Motion carried: The Ministry of Labour, Community, Affairs and Sports, Heads 20, 60, 52 …
The Chairman Chairman We will now move on to Legal Affairs, which are Heads 87, 3, 23, 4 and 74. There are four hours alloc ated to this debate and it will be led by the Honourable Learned Member from constituency 3 4. MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 87, 3, 23, 4, and 74 be taken under consideration. Any objections? No objections. Continue, Minister. HEAD 87 —MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS HEADQUARTERS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Legal Affairs, under the direction of the Honourable …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Ministe r. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: This programme provides for the administrative costs associated with the Ministry Headquarters to which $ 1,337,000 has been allocated. This , Mr. Chairman, represents a decrease of $1,000 or 0.0 per cent from the 2019/20 original est imates. The decrease is minimal. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Amen. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, h aving passed sex offender legislation to protect society and esp ecially our children, work has continued apace to coordinate stakeholders and to implement the sex offender registration and notification system. A comprehensive registration, rehabilitation, monitoring and reporting system under the auspices of …
The Chairman Chairman We are on Head 87, page B -83, led by the Minister from constituency 34. There are four hours for this debate. It ends at 8:46 pm. Continue, Minister . Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. These accomplishments complement the mandate of the newly established Child Safeguarding Committee …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member $1,020,500. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman $1.2 million [sic] . Hon. Kim N. Wilson: $1.2 million [sic] . . . $1.25 [sic] [$1,020,500] . Thank you . . . how do you know? Sorry, Mr. Chairman, thank you. It is anticipated that cost will continue to trend downward in tandem with full impl ementation of the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. 3626 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman We are calling for some lowering of the temperature across the board. It is very warm in here. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: No. Everybody else is hot, too. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you. Continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Between the period, Mr. Chai rman, 1st April 2019 and 31st August 2019 the Legal Aid Office, Mr. Chairman, managed a combined total of 55 new matters. That represented, Mr. Chairman, 10 domestic matters, 2 matrimonial matters, 5 civil matters, and 38 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We are on Legal Affairs, four hours for this debate. It ends at 8:46 pm, led by the Honourable and Learned Member from constituency 34. You have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, tur ning now to Head 3, the Judiciary. HEAD 3 …
Dame Lois Browne -Evans Building Hon. Kim N. Wilson Magistrates' Courts in the Dame Lois Browne -Evans Building (DLBEB) on Court Street opened for business in April 2011. The Courts and Administrative offices are now spread across the northern section of the second, third and fourth floors. The premises continue to house the Supreme Court Family/Matrimonial Division, IT, and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The revenue reported in this section is for the calendar year of 2019. Traffic an d Parking Fines Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The major components of rev enue are traffic and criminal fines. The total amount recorded for t raffic fines was $2,212,016; $3 78,775 …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we are in Committee of Supply on the Budget. We are doing Legal Affairs which is Heads 87, 3, 23, 4 and 74. Honourable and Learned Member from constituency 34, you have the floor. Capital Expenditure Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, turning now to …
The Chairman Chairman We are on Legal Affairs. Heads 87, 3, 23, 4 and 74. Four hours , and this debate will conclude at 8:46 pm. The Honourable Learned Member from constituency 34 is on her feet . Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. They attended and participated in various sessions …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, Counselling and Life Skills Services (CLSS) —their mission is to advance and promote the emotional well -being of youth up to 18 years of age and their families. CLSS offers services that strengthen the knowledge, skills, positive experiences, and support systems of …
The Chairman Chairman One minute, Minister. I just want to give the listening public an opportunity to know where we are. Can you hear me? Okay, great. We are on Committee of Supply and today we are doing the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditures for the year 2020/21. The Heads that we are …
The Chairman Chairman And for those persons who may have missed it, I would like to just recognise that the Attorney General, the Honourable Kathy Lynn Simmons is in the Chamber as well. [Committee of Supply, Ministry of Legal Affairs, continuing] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, the RTS …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! HEAD 74 —DEPARTMENT OF COURT SERVICES Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, turning now to Head 74, which can be found at page B -107 of the Budget Book, and this relates specifically to the D epartment of Court Services. For this budget year, Madam Chairman, they received …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. Let me start with formalities and let me thank the Honourable and Learned Minister of Health who is babysitting the brief for the Honourable and Learned Attorney General. But let me also recognise that the, I believe, the Honourable and Learned —there is a pillar in …
The Chairman Chairman That is fine. We can do that. I recognise the Member from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. I only have three questions in respect to the Minis try of Legal Affairs as a whole, and that is the first one. I am happy to put the other two. Still on page B -82, Public Sector Employees. Employees is the l ast line item …
The Chairman Chairman What page are you referring to?
Mr. Scott Pearman That is Head 87 at page B -82, line 87. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman So, it is a nil revenue. And the question is that . . . other than the Judiciary, which we will return to in a minute, there is very little revenue coming in to this Ministry as a whole and we have just seen that the costs ar e going …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member that would wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Madam Chairman. First, I want to commend the brief presented and prepared by the Honourable and Learned Madam Attorney General, Senator Kathy Lynn Simmons. I want to …
The Chairman Chairman Member, I just want to know if there is a question relating to the Budget Book part of it. Hon. Michael J. Scott: The question is really simple: Will there be additional funding —because I have asked this question —will there be additional funding for both services and assessments provided …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of clarification,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 2.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The Honourable Learned Member , Mr. Pearman—I do not believe he is comparing apples with apples. At the benefit of being able to go back a number of years, I just want to point out something, just my little country boy from up the way. Legal Aid in 2010 and …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 9— he was a little faster than you, Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you . Thank you, Madam Chairman. I appreciate it because I want to jump on the coattails of the Honourable Member Kim Swan to talk about Legal Aid in …
The Chairman Chairman Members. B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I think that is the Member who is growing fat from Government contracts. So, we have them bringing inside, bringing in defence counsel inside the Legal Aid Ministry. Now the specific question I have with respect to Legal Aid are …
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome, Member . Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Ju st by way of cl arification, I thought the question that I posed was clear and I actually looked over at the Minister and I think that she thought it was clear as well. I was only dealing with the overall budget of the Ministry of Legal …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Madam. And my point of order is this —
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 2. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Sw an Thank you. And I was making the point, whilst I referred to [Head] 87 be-cause I went to a line item under [Head] 87 that act ually had not increased but was still substantive, if you look at Heads 87, 3, 4, 23, 74, 75, 78 —a number of them …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan That is the point I w as making.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed, Mr. Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would be grateful for an answer to the questions posed so that we can move on to the next Head, if the Minister is prepared to answer the questions. I do not think she needs people running interference for her, but I will see how …
The Chairman Chairman Member, keep it clean. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, thank you. Madam Chairman, with respect to the three questions that were asked by the learned and hon-ourable friend concerning the cost of spending and what steps are being done to reduce the cost of spending with respect to this …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Staff numbers. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: No . . . oh, yes. The spending. Madam Chairman, with respect to the spending in the, the staff spending . . . sorry, the spending. It is based on the programme. So, if the programmes are such that there is a requirement for …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 33. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to speak briefly on Head 23 and particularly a point that was raised by the Minister in her presentation where she said, and I quote, “there has been no relief in …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. My question was about maintaining the current numbers, not about r educing them. That was very clear. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I stand by my point. I said the OBA loves to talk about —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: —putting people out on the street and unemployed. So, we have a staff at DCFS under Head 23 that has been burdened by what I would call per-formative compassion by a media that has failed to adhere to two of the principles of …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Madam Chai rman. Is there a question for the Minister coming? Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Minister s do not ask Ministers questions. But what I am saying, Madam Chairman, this speaks to the point about the manpower and the r esources that are needed. When you are …
The Chairman Chairman Member , we do not have much time for this one. So, if you will allow others to ask the questions — Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I am known to be brief and I will continue.
The Chairman Chairman Be very brief. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I would just like to ask through the Chair to the staff of DCFS, what has been the impact of the performative compassion displayed by the One Bermuda Alliance in attacking DCFS and their hea d, Mr. Alfred Maybury? What has been the …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Madam Chai rman. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: What has been the —
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Madam Chai rman. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Hold on a minute. POINT OF ORDER [Misleadin g]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is misleading the House and knowingly so. There has been attack on the staff at DCFS. There have been questions raised by the Opposition about allegations made against people at DCFS. We have constantly and r epeatedly observed that there are people, very good people at DCFS …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . I recognise the Member from cons tituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam. Perhaps we can get back to the Minister presenting her brief and the questions that she is answering rather than the filibustering. I will stay with Head 23 . . . and he is laughing. The Minister is lau ghing because he thinks it is funny. But …
The Chairman Chairman Member from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will return to Head 23 and hopefully we will have an opportunity to hear from the Minister with some answers to questions, those posed both from this side and the other side. I have three. One is that the Minister in her brief today . …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to stick with Child and Family Services, but I am going to—
The Chairman Chairman So, that is page B -10— Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Page B -104. I am going to B-104, which is the performance measures. Madam Chairman, I am going there from the point of view of trying to get edification because I think too often we hear about the tail end …
The Chairman Chairman Member , I just have one question, because listening I just want clarity. Your very first question, you asked about the number of children who are being protected. You wanted to know the 100 per cent, or were you asking for the figure? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I want the …
The Chairman Chairman I heard you and I was not . . . I did not understa nd the question so I thought I would ask you. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am glad you asked me to refer. I will come back with anything else afterwards.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I would like to speak to Head 87 and, in particular, I have a question for the Minister . The Honourable Member Trevor Moniz got up and he spoke about …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 9. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive ] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Madam Chairman, that is u nparliamentary. He is accusing me of racism. He is i mputing improper motive saying it would affect m e what colour the person was. That is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Chairman, I did not accuse him, but if the hat fits . . . if the hat fits — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Madam Chairm an, that is a disgrace. That is absolutely disgraceful. He is really taking the …
The Chairman Chairman I had not accepted it yet. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: She has not accepted it yet.
The Chairman Chairman I had not accepted it yet, but — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will stay on my feet.
The Chairman Chairman I will take your point of order, Member from constituency — Hon. Trevo r G. Moniz: No, no, you do not stay —
The Chairman Chairman —9. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —on your feet while I am making it. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is amazing, Madam Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Member from constituency 29, yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. It is amazing that the Honourable Trevor Moniz can get up and make that statement when, quite clearly, when Mr. Ambrosio worked in his office when he was the Attorney Ge neral there were never any questions . …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order Member from constit uency 9. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Ambrosio was simply a consulta nt. I am asking [about] the case of Mr. Ric hardson. I am not saying it is improper one way or a nother, I am simply asking. Is he …
The Chairman Chairman Let us hope that the Minister has the answer for you, Member . Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 5. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, on Head 87. That is not an appropriate question for this debate. We have got to question the figures, not the personalities. And he [has been] up here long enough to know better.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. I recognise the Member from — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Madam Chairman, that is not correct. Point of order —
The Chairman Chairman Are you? Point of order? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: It is a poi nt of order.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 9. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: It is very clear in the Budget Book. I referred to the line item on page B -85. It talks about Legal Aid being eight. I am asking whether the gentleman who describes himself as …
The Chairman Chairman But your question has been noted and I believe that the Minister is looking for your answer. I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Now, hopefully we can get back to the care of our community. So, my question is — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, point of order, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Member from constituency 29. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I was not finished! I was just yielding to a point of order and the Honourable Member is like going off asking questions. I am not finished.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. My apologies. I thought you were finished. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No!
The Chairman Chairman I will recognise the Member from co nstituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, under Head 23, Child and Family Services. I thought that I would take this opportunity to thank all that work in that particular section of this Minist …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. Madam Chai rman—
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member — POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Minister is misleading the House. There has been no assault on the DCFS by the Opposition and it is simply improper to describe it as such. Thank you. [Crosstalk ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. The Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin asked if …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of information— Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Point of order —
Mr. Scott Pearman I will defer. POINT OF ORDER Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: That Honourable Member has a problem keeping my name out of . . . I do not know why he keeps . . . he has to keep my name in his mouth for some reason.
The Chairman Chairman Is that the point of order? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: That is the point of order—and haters are admirers in disguise. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, I will tell you what, I tell you what, Madam Chairman, Member s—
The Chairman Chairman Hold on, just to say Member from [constituency] 29, we are running o ut of time and unless you have a question, right, and you give us the place in the book, we will proceed with moving on to someone else because I have a Member — Hon. Zane J. …
The Chairman Chairman —who is waiting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Under Head 23, let me ask the Minister , let me ask the Minister of Health this, or the Minister acting for Legal Affairs tonight, if she feels that the staff who work for Child and Family Services have been given …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Member . I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Again, I believe I am speaking to page C -17, line 6 920, Grant to YHED. I am not sure, but my question, Madam Chairman, is what financial obligation is being made to assist the young people who are ageing out of the system and …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I have a question for the Minister on page B -101, and this is Head 23, and t his is line item 33100 in respect of the PsychoEducational programme. You …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: In the Budget Statement, there was a reference to $750,000 of the increase in funds which will be allocated to pr ogrammes within the Department of Child and Family Services. I wonder if the Minister would be able to be helpful in letting us …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish . . . sorry, I recognise the Member from constituency 5. 3664 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr. : Yes, Madam Chai rman, I have a few questions for the Minister. One is, What r …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you. I have to address some of the queries raised about the substantiated and unsubstantiated numbers raised by the Member, Mrs. Atherden.
The Chairman Chairman Just a time check; it is now 8:33, and this debate is scheduled to conclude at 8:46. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Investigations Team referred 167 cases (to Mrs. Atherden’s question) for transfer for ongoing services to the DCFS. Upon completion of those i nvestigations 557 …
The Chairman Chairman Member, the Minister actually has the answers so I think you should give her the time to an-swer. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman, I will try to address the questions as quickly as poss ible. And it may not necessarily be in the order they were asked. …
The Chairman Chairman You have approximately eight minutes left. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay. There was a question about referrals, with respect to the output measures and of that 100 per cent. I can advise that the number of referrals is based on all of the cases combined to the department. So it …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin : Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I did not hear a response to the question with respect to 33100 and how we have a revised estimate from 2019/20 of $2.092 million but we are budgeting almost $500,000 …
The Chairman Chairman Also, Member, you had an additional question. You asked for the process to send the chi ldren into Psycho- Ed, which . . . you answered that one? Okay; good. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Scott Pearma n Thank you, Madam Chairman. Steady hand. There was my additional question, which is whether or not it is correct that of the 29 chi ldren who were sent abroad that 4 of them were not assessed or treated before being sent. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. May …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: With respect to the last question that was asked, and as we have already heard, the information was corrected on the, I guess the website. However, the question was whether or not thes e chi ldren received mental health assessments. And I am advised by …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise Member from constituency [20].
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My question to the Minister is, I read or heard somewhere that the director at one point at [the D epartment of] Child and F amily Services under Head 23, was just mentioning that there are an increase of non-traditional referrals that are more inclined …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish . . . are you waiting for the questions? I recognise the Member for constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Madam Chairman, as we are running out of time, let me quickly jump over to Head 3, Judicial D epartment, and at page B -90 we see that there is a fall in the revenue generator here in the judiciary, and that the actual for 2018/19 was $1.1 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I believe that was in the brief that there was a (I am looking at the Attorney General) multi- million dollar estate that was probated which increased the . . . as the Honourable Member would probably know, depending on the value of the estate, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, are you going to take a m inute to . . . there are two minutes left in the debate. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I understand this is an error, an entry error. But I am certain that the Honourable and Learned Attorney General, when she takes this …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Member for constituency 22. You have one minute.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Well, it just falls upon me to thank the Honourable and Learned Minister . When she was allowed to answer questions by her party, she did an excellent job. Thank you, it was very helpful. It is regrettable that others sought to intervene. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Scott Pearman That is what I mean; it is regrettable that others s ought to intervene. Last point is this, Honourable and Learned Member, last time we spoke about how the court sy stem could generate revenue—
The Chairman Chairman Member, your one minute is up, sorry,—
Mr. Scott Pearman —by increasing court fees. I hope that will be reconsidered this year.
The Chairman Chairman —but you can definitely take it offline. Minister, you can move your Heads. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 87, 3, 23, 4 and 74 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 87, 3, 23, 4 and 74 be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Legal Affairs, Heads 87, 3, 23, 4 and 74, were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Are there any object ions to that motion? No objections. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House resumed …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening Members, are there any objections to the Committee of Supply rising and r eporting progress until sitting again on Friday? No objections to that? Good. We will move on. The next item this evening is the second rea ding of the Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amen dment Act 2019 …
The Speaker The Speaker It has to be amended, right. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker In the name of the Minister of Health? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2020 be now read the second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? None. Continue on. Bermuda House of Assembly BILL SECOND READING CRIMINAL INJURIES (COMPENSATION) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 [2020] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present to this Honourable House the Bill entitled the Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2020. This Bill …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member for constituency 22. Honourable Member Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker, just three points, really, on this Bill. The first is, we understand that there is an amendment of some sort that is going to be moved from the floor. I am not sure we know what that amendment is. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Scott Pearman Okay. Then that is easily r esolved. The second question involved the fact that we are in effect taking the chairmanship of this [board] from a judicial post. And we are having a non- judicial person who is a barrister; he or she will now sit. Now, the CICB was …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member for constituency 36. Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker, first I declare an interest. I was the deputy chair of the most recently constituted board …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other? Minister, would you like to reply? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, yes, Mr. Speaker. With respect to the question that was asked concerning the compensation for the chairman and deputy chairman, who, as indicated are attorneys …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 9:01 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL CRIMINAL INJURIES (COMPENSATION) AMENDMENT ACT 2020
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2019 . Minister, you have the floor. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With your leave, I would like to move all …
The Chairman Chairman I think you — Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I do have to make an amendment first. I will do the amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 1 [Title] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: So, if I can move clause 1 first, Mr. Chairman. And I would be proposing that we amend that to substitute the year 2020 for 2019, Mr. Speaker, with your leave.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Does any other Member wish to speak? Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am sorry, did the Minister say she was only moving clause 1? Okay, then no. I do not have a question.
The Chairman Chairman No objection to that? Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 1 amended.]
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move clauses 2, 3 and 4.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Clause 2 amends section 2 of the principal Act to require that Criminal Injuries Compensation Board (“CICB”) members are appointed by the Mini ster of Legal Affairs instead of by the Governor on a dvice of the Minister. It also amends the qualifications …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Patricia Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for clarity on clause 2, page 1, subclause (b). We are taking out a “judge of the Supreme Court” and substituting “barrister …
The Chairman Chairman Any furth er questions? Any further speakers? Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As was indicated previously, the rationale behind that is because the justices are extremely busy and the workload that they already have with respect to the administration of justice and …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I accept and understand the reasons that the Minister has indicated in terms of eliminating the necessity for the judges, but I have to say that when the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister, do you want to . . . one second. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In addition to the thanks that I was extending to Madam Justice Nicole Stoneham, and addressing this whole question of judges and the times of meet-ing— 3670 11 March …
The Chairman Chairman Right. So what are you speaking to on this? Hon. Michael J. Scott: I would just like to add the thanks to all of the other board members.
The Chairman Chairman We are in Committee. You did that in the general debate. You can do that in general debate; not in Committee. Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that the Preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman We have to do three of the clauses first. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I’m sorry. I would like to move that clauses 1 through 4 be approved as amended.
The Chairman Chairman As amended. Any objection to the motion that clauses 1 through 4 be approved? No objection? Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed as amended.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? Approved. Hon. Kim N . Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. Any objections? No objections. The Bill will be reported to the House. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [Motion carried: The Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2020 was considered by a Commi ttee of …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2020 being reported to the House with the necessary amendment? There are none. It has been reported to the House. I saw you rise to your feet . . . I understand that item 3 is being carried …
The Speaker The Speaker I was just informed by your Whip that everything is being carried [over]. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Not this one. The other Tax one by the Finance Minister is being carried, correct.
The Speaker The Speaker So which item are you referring to on the Order Paper, then? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am . . . hang on one second, Mr. Speaker. Infrastructure Tax, yes. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Item 3, the Miscellaneous Taxes Amendm ent [Act 2020]. Yes? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, the Bill which the Minister is proposing to do is an infrastructure tax. It is tourism related, but it would be carried by me as Minister of Finance as it is revenue. But there …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. On the Order Paper, which item is it? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Item 3. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Item 3, Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act [2020]. We were just informed by your Whip that we were carrying that. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes; and I apologise for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. We will accept that. Has the Opposition— [Crosstalk] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is indicating that it is under finance. And we were just told by the Whip that this is not being carried. I just need to have some clarity.
The Speaker The Speaker So, for clarity . . . let me try to help us here. Yes, it is listed in the name of the Minister of Finance. But it is actually a matter that is coming under the Minister of Transport. So, the Minister of Transport was goi ng to carry the— …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. All right. For clarity now, the matter is on for tonight, as we had originally been told. And Minister of Finance, you are going to carry it now. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Indeed, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. So we will now do the second reading of the Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. BILL SECOND READING MISCELLANEOUS TAXES AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, t he purpose for the Bill before the House today is to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member GordonPamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Honourable Members for their indulgence because there was confusion before, because we were not going to do …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you— Hon. Z ane J. S. De Silva: It is not eleven, it’s —
The Speaker The Speaker I think she corrected herself while she was on her feet. She made a mistake, then she went and corrected herself. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me start again. The Minister indicated that the revenue that was collected for 2019/20 was $5,145,000. For 2020/21, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Does any other Member wish to speak? Member Swan, you have the floor. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this simple amendment is music to my ears. The infrastructure tax which has been proposed today makes eminent good sense when you consider that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. Does any other Member wish to speak? No more lobbying? Minister, you have the floor. [Laughter] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you. The Honourable Member for constituency 2, I believe it is . . . his lobbying is duly noted. [Laughter] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 9:21 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burges, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL MISCELLANEOUS TAXES AMENDMENT ACT 202 0
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, t his Bill seeks t o amend the Miscellaneous Taxes Act 1976 and the …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is self - explanatory. Clause 2 repeals Part VC (sections 32O to 32Q) of the Taxes Act, which provided for large ship infrastructure tax. Clause 3 inserts a new Part VD into the Taxes Act, which provides for a new transport infrastructure tax …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have any questions in terms of the intent, as we have already discussed, but I …
The Chairman Chairman We are dealing with 9D(b) — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Right —9D(b).
The Chairman Chairman —your question needs to be— Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Right, and so if the ship visit does not include any of the days between these dates.
The Chairman Chairman Right. You want to get it right Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So I am just as king how many visits did we have on those shoulder months last year, just so I can get some clarity in my mind in terms of what revenue we are actually giving up …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister, do you want to respond? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member, Minister De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The first question that the Honourable Member asked was about the possibility of tax during the …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further questions? There appear to be none, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 6 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 6 be approved. Are there any objections? There are none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 pass ed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There are none. Approved. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman The Chairman: It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections? There are none. Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House. [Motion carried: The Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. It has been reported as printed. Now, is our understanding correct, that is the last item on the Order Paper for today?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I think so, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Would the Ministers like to do their third rea dings? SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2020 be now read …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objections. [ Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING CRIMINAL INJURIES (COMPENSATION) AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill [entitled the Criminal Injuries (Compens ation) Amendment Act 2020] be now read the third time …
The Speaker The Speaker It has been read a third time and passed. [ Motion carried: The Criminal Injuries (Compensation) Amendment Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Finance. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020 be now read the third time by its title only.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections that? No obj ections. Continue on, Minister. [ Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. BILL THIRD READING MISCELLANEOUS TAXES AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020 be now read the third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. It has been read and passed. [Motion carried: The Miscellaneous Taxes Amend-ment Act 2020 was read a third time and passed. ]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Before I move to adjourn, I feel duty -bound to inform you that a few of my Members wish to speak on the motion to adjourn. But, that much being said, Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do …
The Speaker The Speaker Colonel, are you on your feet to follow on from that?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. I will put the clock on for you for your 20 minutes. I give you your 20 minutes.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I probably don’t need the whole 20 minutes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. ACCOMMODATION FOR THE JUDICIARY
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But you know I have a rule. I don’t know where I got it from, and I don’t even know whether it’s mine, but I adopted it anyway. And that is, that you must say something seven times be-fore people hear it the first time.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. ADJOURNMENT 3676 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: Mr. Speaker, I am speaking in relation to the changes that we are ma king to the judiciary. So I did not think that rule applied to members of the judiciary. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh-oh.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I might remind you, Mr. Speaker, just for fun (because I know you know), that we do not have any say in those matters. Your cousin’s best friend who lives up on Langton Hill does those sorts of t hings. But I will leave that right there, Mr. Speaker. I …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, that is who built it. And at that time, Mr. Speaker, I think it was 2006 when I first became the Minister of Public Works, I said he should have the courts in one buil ding, and add another floor. And, Mr. Speaker, the Chief Justice at the time …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes; I read it. And I am current, fairly. [Inaudible interjection]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I don’t buy it. No Sir!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What’s going on?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I do not know, I have to read it in the paper, I am an old, you know . . .I can’t read it online, so . . . I need to highlight something, okay? In any case, Mr. Speaker, if I could just quote one sentence in this . …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Of the window. Mr. Speaker, she further goes on to say, Mrs Justice Simmons said, and I quote, “there was no availabl e space in the Dame Lois Browne- Evans Building on Hamilton’s Court Street for additional cri minal courtrooms, but internal changes could make space available. ” When I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Two days ago I said during my presentation on the Department of Public Lands and Buildings . . .
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tell them!
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I tried to find Hansard so I could refer to the official record, but I know that we are keeping Mr. Lamb so busy the Hansard is not quite ready. So I read it from my own statement. And in it I said, and I quote: “Mr. Chairman, I am …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, very much. They are moving to the third floor of the Government Administrat ion Building, if we ever get the damn thing finished, Mr. Speaker. And so, Mr. Speaker, I just . . . you know, I know that she does not act alone in this. I know …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Oh yes he is; yes he does, because, Mr. Speaker, two minutes after rea ding a Statement in this House, you know what hap-pens? This damn thing here buzzes, and it is him sa ying, Please don’t forget to give me your Ministerial Statement —like I’m going to forget. So …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But they [should] google Hansard and find out that the Gov ernment actually has a plan. And that plan is to move everybody out of that building that is not court related. And I think I am saying it for the tenth time now, so . . . yes, it …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Don’t panic! Don’t panic, Mr. Speaker. Take everything out of the closet. Dry it out on the first sunny day. Put it out on the wall. It wi ll dry out. [Inaudible interjection]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I don’t know about any vinegar. I don’t do that part. You do. But everybody has their own answer. Brush them off. Buy some Nugget shoe polish and they will be as good as new. And you wil l live to be old like me. [Laughter] 3678 11 March 2020 …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, it just . . . it . . . it really is just astounding. It is not who we are, Mr. Speaker. I started this day . . . and I wish the Minister of Educat ion was here because I haven’t had a chance to talk to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Deputy, are you standing to say we can go home, or would you like your 20 minutes too, Deputy? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Well, no. I do not need 20 minutes.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I’ll put the clock on for 20 for you. How’s that, Deputy? DISCRIMINATION BY GOVERNMENT HOUSE Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Well, you can . . . that’s kind of you, sir. Mr. Speaker, you know, it seems like the government departments that come under Government House . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh my goodness. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Because we should not be treating our young people like that, Mr. Speak-er. You cannot have two sets of rules; it is discrimination, Mr. Speaker! Why do we discrim inate against just because somebody is a couple of pounds overweight? It should …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nope! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Why? Would not bring this fellow back home, with all of these serious alleged charges and all that they want to ask him about. But would not investigate a Member in this House, a former Attorney General, you know, when our Attorney General was …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Not a dickie bird! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: None! All this comes under Government House, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we need better representation from the FCO [Foreign and Commonwealth Office] and Langton Hill, because we are paying not only his salary —and I understand we are the only Overseas …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Oh, thank you Members! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker The clock says just before 10:00 . . . I agree that we all should go home now. I l ook forward to seeing you on Friday morning at 10:00 am. [Gavel] 3680 11 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Good night Members. [At 9:56 …
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