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House of Assembly Session 2019/2020 181 speeches

March 9, 2020

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The Minister of Health presented the Ministry's budget of approximately $41.8 million for the upcoming year, with a significant focus on preparing for the COVID-19 pandemic. The Minister discussed extensive public consultations on the proposed Bermuda Health Plan, which would create a single-payer health system. She also addressed ongoing challenges with staff shortages inherited from the previous government, noting that while vacancies have decreased from 89 to 65 positions, this still represents 17% of the Ministry's workforce and hampers service delivery.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 9, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 10
Speeches 181

Key Topics

Ministry of Health budget presentation for 2020/21 fiscal yearCOVID-19 preparedness and response planningBermuda Health Plan consultation and proposed single-payer health system reformStaff shortages in the health ministry and efforts to fill vacant positionsServices for seniors and people with disabilities

Bills & Motions

Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2020 - introduced for first reading (requires Governor's recommendation)
Committee of Supply continued consideration of government budget estimates for 2020/21
Ministry of Health budget heads (21, 22, 24, 55, and 91) presented for committee debate

Notable Moments

The Minister emphasized that COVID-19 preparedness was consuming much of the Ministry's current resources, calling for community-wide collaboration similar to hurricane response efforts
Strong endorsement was cited from the independent Fiscal Responsibility Panel supporting the single-payer health system approach for cost containment and universal coverage
Condolences were offered for Kent Gibbons, a longtime cricket supporter and BTC employee who passed away suddenly

Debate Transcript

181 speeches from 10 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of the 6th of March have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING COMMONWEALTH DAY MESSAGE 2020
The Speaker The Speaker The announcement this morning is that, as you all know, today is Commonwealth Day. And traditionally, we have a message that is sent from the Queen. The message has been circ ulated for all Members to read, her Commonwealth Day Message 2020 . MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There is one paper to be tabled today in the name of the Minist er of Works. Minister Burch. WEST END DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ANNUAL REPORT FOR 2018
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, good morning. I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the West End Development Corporation Annual Report for 2018.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIO D
The Speaker The Speaker They are carried over. CON GRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak to the congratulatory or obituary? We recognise the Honourable Member F amous. Honourable Member.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker , just one sad note. I want to give condolences to first of all the people of Shelly Bay, Crawl Hill for the passing of Mr. Kent Gibbons of Redkiln Road. Mr. Kent Gibbons was a proud cricketer, proud supporter of Bailey’s Bay and also thei …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any ot her Member [wish to contribute] ? We recognise the Minister of Education. Minister, you have the floor. 3492 9 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I would like to add my condolences to the family …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to contribute this morning? No other Member. We will move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTE RS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Bill to be introduced this morning in the name of the Minister of Finance. But the Deputy Premier is going to do this for him? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. FIRST READING PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Walter H. Roban: On behalf of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, and particularly for our li stening audience, we are here today again to resume in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estim ates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21. And as you know, once we get into C ommi ttee the House will be in …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objections. Thank you. MP Commissiong. House in Committee at 10:1 2 am [Mr. Rolfe Commissiong, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, as indicated, we are now in Committee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year [2020 /21]. Minister, are you ready to move the H eads? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You may proceed. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move the following Heads — [Crosstalk] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman The Minister of Health. Thank you. MINISTRY OF HEALTH Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. I move the following Heads: 21, Ministry of Health Headquarters; 22, D epartment of Health; 24, Hospitals; 55, Financial Assi stance; and 91, Health Insurance be now taken under consideration.
The Chairman Chairman The aforementioned Heads are now to be debated. I call on the Minister now to proceed. You have the floor, Madam . HEAD 21 —MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, t he Ministry of Health is found on pages B-169 to B -198 of the Est …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Shadow Minister. Yes, Shadow Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. The Minister is just indicating, I think she said LHCC. I am just wondering which head. I know she said Lefroy Care and Sylvia Richardson. I am just not sure. I …
The Chairman Chairman You may resume, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is Lefroy House community centre . . . Lefroy House Care Community.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for the clarification. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The LHCC is a multi -level elder residential care community, which provides compr ehensive medical nursing, environmental and recreation services to the reside nt, respite care, as well as day care, for elders in the care community. Our aim is to …
The Chairman Chairman I would just like to welcome into the Chamber the former Deputy Speaker from the Parish of Sandys. Mr. Walter Lister has joined us this mor ning. Welcome. Continue on, Minister. Thank you for that. [Committee of Supply, Ministry of Health, debate co ntinuing] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Deputy Premier. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I would move that we adjourn until 2:00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The House is adjourned till 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:28 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:03 pm [Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 MINISTRY OF HEAL TH [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Honourable Members. We will now continue in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21. Heads 21, 22, 24, 55 and 91 are now to be debated and I call on the Minister in charge to pr oceed. Minister, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Minister. Are there any further speakers? I recognise the Shadow Health Minister, the
Honourable Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just for . . . before I begin, can you let me know exactly when this debate is scheduled to conclude? I know we have five hours . . .
The Chairman Chairman I see 4:42 written here, so I am assuming that it the — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: [That was] 4:42?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay, all right. Thank you. All right, so, I have to make sure that I —
The Chairman Chairman You may continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —get all my questions in appropriately. Okay, than k you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am going to start where the Minister finished, and that is with offering a vote of thanks, certainly on behalf of our team, to those within the …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, you got that off your chest, so — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have gotten that off my chest, and it is quite appropriate for the budget debate because it is reflected in the numbers. And the Minister referred to them in her brief. And I think …
The Chairman Chairman And you are referring to page? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is on page B - 170 and this is on programme 2103 and under cost centre 31135. Now, you will note, Mr. Chairman, that if we go back to the trends that we are seeing in this d …
The Chairman Chairman Member, those are dollar signs I see— Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, these are dollar signs. This is the . . . this is . . . oh, I am sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I am sorry. You are perfectly right. I am sorry. I was looking at numbers. …
The Chairman Chairman This is alright. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —those numbers, you know, where the money is not going to come in as it was intended. And that really accounts for all of the differences in respect of the revenue source for the Ministry, so that really is the only question …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This must [create] cause for concern, and I am wondering what we can do. And I think this is a perennial problem, so I am not saying the present Government is responsible, it is a perennial problem. But what can we do to ensure …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gord on-Pamplin: I think under page B-170, under the Office of the Chief Medical Officer, 31040, I think the Minister indicated that there was . . . Just give me one second, Mr. Chairman. That there was, in fact, surveillance, if I can call it that, …
The Chairman Chairman I hope it is good news. Hon. Patricia J. G ordon -Pamplin: Sorry?
The Chairman Chairman I hope it was good news. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: It was just repeating what I was saying, so it sounded quite brilliant when I looked at it coming up. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Continue, please. Hon. Patri cia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No, I just think that we would . . . the Minister, I indicated in her brief that there were significant numbers of the abuses that had been reported, there were financial abuse and emotional abuses that have …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -175 or B -176? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is on page B - 176—
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordo n-Pamplin: —under 31160. These are the kinds of performance measures that I like to see. You know what the standards are. OSHA has standards. And it is your intention to try to comply 100 per cent with those standards. That is what is called . …
The Chairman Chairman But you are not going to sing. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, no, no, I am not going to sing, but I am going to say that the tune . . . the tune kind of triggers. And I think it is one that has been around for a …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Now, we had a budget of . . . if we go back to the actual from 2018/19 it came out at $1,444,000. We then budgeted $1,637,000 originally in 2019/20, but we expect that number or revised number for 2019/20 to go up to …
The Chairman Chairman Can you — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am sorry, this is on page B -177, sorry, I am back on the head of Community Health.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And this is . . . we had $4,860,000 original for 2019/20 and we have $4,875,000 for 2020/21, which is an increase of $15,000. But we have actual revised of that 2019/20 number which has gone up to $5,239,000. So, the question here is, …
The Chairman Chairman Administration. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Administr ation, where last year we had an original budget of $506,000. We provided for 2020/21 an extra $33,000 to bring it up to $539,000. But we have a revised—to say that this 2019/20 number was a bit of a nonsense—that actually came …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —under Health Promotion, while the numbers are not particularly di stressingly different, the Minister did indicate in her brief that there is a check that we have that emplo yees . . . well, they wanted to start with the government making sure that …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —the $2,671,000, I am not sure that I heard the explanation as to exac tly where those fees were coming from. I know Patient Fees, but I am just not sure that I . . . if the Minister indicated what it was I …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one question to the Honourable and Learned Minister. A Bermudian came and asked me a question, and I had no idea what the answer was, and I said I wou ld pose the question to the Health Minister because it was a difficult question. The …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I recognise the Shadow Health Minister again. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am going to move on to Hospitals —and this is on page B -190. And on B -190 we are show ing the Inpatient Subsidy and Outpatient Subsidy.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: We are showing those numbers to be, the original estimate in 2019/20 of $55,506,000; the revised estimate $55,506,000; the new estimate for 2020/21 being $55,506,000; i.e., no Bermuda House of Assembly difference over the original, revised and the new est imate for 2020/21. And …
The Chairman Chairman I am with you. Hon. Patr icia J. Gordon -Pamplin: On these numbers, given the fact that we have a significant ageing population, it does not seem to make sense to me that what was indicated to be the Inpatient Subsidy would be the same from the original estimate of …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —$38,921,000 on page B -189, if you got me? Okay. And there is an i ncrease here of $1.577 million, a 4 per cent increase. Now, the Minister did indicate some of the things t hat formed part of that increase, and that was …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Now, I know when we talked about the number we had all kinds of . . . we, collectively, were getting tongue- tied with what the number actually was. But it was $767,000 that was less than last year. Some of it related to …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pampl in: Of that of the 47,545. But I just wanted to confirm that it is the intent to look more carefully at the recipients of Financial Assistance, the actual grant itself, to make sure that the money is being used as efficiently as possible. …
The Chairman Chairman Which page are you referring to? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is on page . . . on Financial Assistance. So it is only one grant under 65050 under Grants and Administration. The Minister had indicated in her notes that 15 people were going to …
The Chairman Chairman You have gone way back, haven’t you? [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And it came to £3.10, and that was a special that included your pac kage of hamburger, your peanut butter, your bread, your eggs, your whatever. And that was your Saturday special. It is interesting and I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister? Ah! I recognise Honourable Member Hayward . . . I am so rry, I did not see you standing there.
Mr. Jason Hayward Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Jason Hayward I think when we discuss Health Insurance, beginning with Head 21, which is the Mi nistry of Health, it is important for us to understand the departmental objectives. And the overall objectives, as outlined in the Budget Book on page B -170, is to assess that all res idents have …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jason Hayward And so, indicators are numbers that are used to inform us. So, when we see absolute numbers in the Budget Book, I believe the aim of those numbers is to inform us about the occurrence and prevalence of some of those numbers within our society. And so, the number of …
Mr. Jason Hayward This is [page] B -177.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Jason Hayward And the Department of Health’s objectives are to prevent communicable diseases, to prevent non- communicable diseases, to promote safety culture and reduce injuries, and to build capac ity to undertake the core functions of Public Health. And, again, I would like to say that those individuals do an absolutely stellar …
The Chairman Chairman Are you still . . . have you moved to—
Mr. Jason Hayward That is on [page] B -181—
Mr. Jason Hayward —under business unit 32000—
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jason Hayward —32010, I am sorry. You will find that the satisfaction level is at 75 per cent and this is what is stated in the Book. And I think when we look at these measures what we have to realise is that it would be in our aim to set 100 …
The Chairman Chairman Are you going to page B -192 now?
Mr. Jason Hayward [Page] B -192. And I am not too sure on the reason for that. Maybe it will be because of the scenario that was mentioned regarding persons timing out, or it could be reduced demand for services, which would be a pos itive thing. And so, I am anxious to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other speakers? I recognise the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I want to try to address a number of the questions, but before I do, I need to thank the Honourable Member who just took his seat. As …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I may not have the exact line items because I was trying to write down what the questions were— 3530 9 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: I will do my best to follow. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: With respect to the increased budget that we saw from 2020/21 which has been r evised downward for Lefroy to 2019/20, Lefroy did see a need to expend more money on overtime in the fi scal year 2019/20, but they have managed to effectiv ely …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: There was . . . yes, the normal turnaround time is 90 days in most cases. However, there was a case from 2017, Mr. Chairman, that took a year to complete. This was a complex case invol ving a swallow er, and this was not …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —why is the inpatient budget the same next year as last year due to an ageing population? The subsidy is a block grant, Mr. Chairman, and the legislation provides funding towards the cost of the ageing population as it relates to the SHB [Standard Health …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers? I recognise the S hadow Minister, the Honourable Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I did not get a response on the $7.8 million in standard premium rate offset, or at least I did not …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? If not, I will . . . Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was trying to write the questions down. There was the one question about the Healthy Schools initiative which did start in 2007, and as I r eported in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Shadow Member, did you wish to have your question now? I recognise the Shadow Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I am just wondering with patient fees whether there is a transfer in because the Minister indicated that this $2.6 million was in relation to patients w ho …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please repeat it. The Minister was out of her seat. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay. No worries. I am just wondering, when it comes to . . . Minister, you indicated in respect of the patient fees coming from Sylvia Richardson and Lefroy House that it was in …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly Yes, to the Honourable Member’s question, that cost centre includes both persons who are paying for the services delivered by Sylvia Richardson and Lefroy [House] as well as the amount that comes from financial …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Please. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: [It is] concerning the $7.8 million premium offset to BHB. That is under Head 40 . . .
The Chairman Chairman Page B -190. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Page B -190. It is part of the $322 million block grant that the Government and BHB agreed to as part of the new BHB SHB funding model. This amount is a go vernment committed contribution to BHB which is part …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Shadow Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have another question and that is with respect to the pilot programme . . . I will have to look and see what the number is because I do not have it. I …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? I recognise Member Hayward.
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Chairman, I just want to add some clarity to the numbers around the services to the prison population.
The Chairman Chairman Please.
Mr. Jason Hayward While the number in the book is a fixed number, the prison population is not static. And so, for the benefit of the public, there are prisoners who leave the system and enter the system. And that rotation also causes additional services to be provided above the static number that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any further speaker? I recognise the Shadow Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pam plin: Thank you. And that is for page B -177 in respect of 32130, Occupational Health and Wellness. That question to which the Honourable Member just spoke, there was a number that the Minister gave …
The Chairman Chairman Members, I just want to remind you that we have 20 minutes, maybe just slightly more than that, for this debate. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I can probably go onto my next bit. 3534 9 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: I recognise the …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to the question concerning the revised estimate with respect to the Bermuda Health Council, that matter is actually before the courts. It is sub judice , so for obvious reasons I am not at liberty to …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —consistent with this Gover nment’s commitment to ensure that our senior popul ation is taken care of, we have increased the amount of grants to the nursing facilities to ensure that they have sufficient funds to operate properly and ensure the health and safety and …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? I recognise the Shadow Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I woul d like to go to the Health Insurance, Professional Services. I do not think the Minister answered that, the reduction of $30,000 in Professional Services. I thought maybe . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Members, let me remind you, we are now have 13 minutes left for the debate of these Heads. Any further speakers? If there are no further speakers . . . Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there was a question that was asked …
The Chairman Chairman You still have 10 minutes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I know, I am just trying to . . . Okay. Mr. Chairman, as I have spoken in this Honourable House previously, there is no anticipation that . . . there is no expectation that services will be altered with respect …
The Chairman Chairman I will recognise the Shadow Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just had a couple more very quick questions.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. If you could be quick, because you do have— Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I realise. And the Minister may have the answer to this right off the bat. One of them is in respect to the laboratory. And I think that is under the Ministry of Health, …
The Chairman Chairman If there are no further speakers, I will recognis e the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to elaborate a little bit on the question concerning BHB, again, with respect to the i mplementation of the block grant. There have been no reduced services. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Can I ask if you will move your Heads, please? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the following Heads: Head 21, Ministry of Health Head-quarters; Head 22, Department of Health; Head 24, Hospitals; Head 55, Financial Assistance; and Head 91, Health Insurance . . …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? No. Minister. The Clerk: That’s it.
The Chairman Chairman That’s it. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Health, Heads 21, 22, 24, 55, and 91 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. [Pause] [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman We are in the Committee of the whole to consider Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, 58, and 59 under Finance. Minister of Finance, would you like to move those? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. I move that Heads 10, Ministry of Finance, Headquarters; 11, Accountant …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, 58, and 59 be taken under consider ation for a total of three hours. No objections. Continue, Minister. MINISTRY OF FINANCE HEAD 10 —MINISTRY OF FINANCE HEADQUARTERS Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, the 2020 /21 Budget Estimates …
The Chairman Chairman We are debating the Ministry of F inance, Heads 10, 11, 28, 38, 39, 58, 59. Three hours [have been] allocated. Minister of Finance, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I am now going to turn to the Accountant General’s Department. HEAD 11 —ACCOUNTANT GE NERAL’S DEPARTMENT Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman If some Members could k eep the tones down a bit. We can hear you to the front. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: —some items containing relatively small amounts of sugar were being taxed. Accordingly, further review of Government’s policy will introduce amendments to the sugar tax in t he upcoming …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, the Director of Social Insurance along with the staff are respons ible for the day -to-day administration of Bermuda Go vernment’s contributory pension scheme, as well as for benefits paid to war veterans of the Second World War. The mission statement of the …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from . . . you have a question, Member? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank you. The Minister just indicated on page C -11 a number and I am not seeing it. I am just trying to fol-low him. If he could …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, she just — [Crosstalk ] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Well, listen, in the spirit of being a good leader, yes, I did.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Okay. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, as mentioned previously, the OTC’s departmental operating expenditure budget has increased by $75,000 over estimates for 2019/20. The budget of the OTC has been increased as they seek to embark on a tax administration modernisation project. I am just going to talk about …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, one minute, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: —FATF —
The Chairman Chairman One minute. Members, if someone is on their feet and they are speaking, can you keep the volume down please? Thank you. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: —OECD — [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: —FATF, and the IMF, et cetera. In this regard, the department has provided leadership in …
The Chairman Chairman Would another Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 12. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just a quick question. On page C -17 under Ministry of Finance Grants and Contributions, I see under the Ministry of Finance 6965 that there is no …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. And thank you, Minister, for your presentation. Almost all of my questions arise from pages B-138 and B -139, Head 39 relating to the Registrar of Companies. And, Minister, if I could start with a few high-level questions, first of all, if I heard you correctly …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 12. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, my apologies. I had one other question that I did not get to. And it has to do with, on page B -121, going back down to NAMLC, 20100, …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish t o speak? Yes, I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I just wanted to make sure that my co lleagues got their questions, and I did not want to hog the platform. On page …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak? No? Minister, I just want to . . . For the benefit of the listening public, the time is now 7:15, and this debate will conclude at 7:45. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson : Madam Chairman, answering the last question first, the Honourable Member …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I just want to give you a time check. You have five minutes. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Okay. Less mail. People are using couriers more. And so I think we would not see the revenue flow through the General Post Office, but probably through a different line in the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Can I finish my sentence? 3566 9 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: All right. All right. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I support that it should be a proactive step on the part of the Department of S ocial Insurance …
The Chairman Chairman That concludes the debate on F inance, Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, 58 and 59. Minister, you will need to close out. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, 58 and 59 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, 58 and 59 be approved. Is there any objection? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Finance, Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, 58, and 59 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Committee rising and reporting progress to sit at a later time? There are none. We will move on to the next item on the Order Paper. And the next item would be [Order] No. 3, the consideration of the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. ORDER FOREIGN CURRENCY PURCHASE TAX (EXEMPTION) ORDER 2020 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accorda nce with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I move that consideration be given to the draft Order entitled the Foreign Currency …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections? No objection. Minister, Deput y, you may continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Order entitled the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax (Exemption) Order 2020 now be read the second time. The purpose of this Order is to amend the Foreign Currency …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Would any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Gordon-Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Deputy Premier for his comments in respect of the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax (Exemption) Order …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Honourable Member for the question posed. By and large, I would state that the agreement as had been devised earlier in the year 2017 is what was followed through with. The Government felt, as it …
The Speaker The Speaker Any further comments, questions? No. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I so move that the draft Order be approved and that a suitable message be sent to His Excellency the Governor.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? The question will be honoured, and so moved. [Motion carried: The Foreign Currency Purchase Tax (Exemption) Order 2020 was approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to do Order No. 4, the consideration of the Land Tax (Exemption) Order 2020? ORDER LAND TAX (EXEMPTION) ORDER 2020 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I move …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? None. Continue, Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Order entitled the Land Tax (Exemption) Order 2020 be now read a second time. The purpose of this order is to provide an exemption for the payment of land tax for Saturn Solar …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Would any Member wish to make comments? I recognise the Honourable Member GordonPamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Deputy Premier for his comments. Obviously, as this dovetails in with what we have only …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? None. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I again thank the Honourable Member for the comments made and support for this order and the prev ious order. One thing I would like to mention, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. The said order has been passed and will be sent to the Governor. [Motion carried: The Land Tax (Exemption) Order 2020 was approved.] B ermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: That, I believe, brings us to the end of the Orders of the Day. And, Deputy. ADJOURNMENT …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. That is this Wednesday. Mr. Famous, are you just saying goodbye to us, or would you like to have a few moments on your feet?
Mr. Christopher Famous I am on the silly mid -on,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Mr. Famous, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Good evening, colleagues on both sides, and good evening, Bermuda. I shall be very, very brief.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, we can hold you to that. ROYA L GAZETTE WRONGLY LAMBASTS THE GOVERNMENT
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, have you ever heard of the term rope-a- dope? You know, like you are baiting somebody in, and you are saying, Oh, well, you know, this is what it’s about. Then you think that is what it is about. Then they give you a laugh. A couple of …
The Speaker The Speaker As long at you keep it brief.
Mr. Christopher Famous Extremely brief. “The BPHL [Bermuda Press Holdings Ltd.] chairman lamented the lack of decisive action from the Government to support the economy, particularly 1 Royal Gazette , 3 March 2020 in the areas of immigration reform and education, ad ding that this inaction was ‘costing Bermudians dearly’. He described the …
Mr. Christopher Famous I am saying, okay. Well, finally we have achieved some sort of integration. Even the people spending $20,000 a year for it. 3570 9 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly So the children are going in, and eventually they are coming out. So if the black children …
The Speaker The Speaker As long as it is brief.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Christopher Famous Jonathan Reiss: “ 2He said white -male dominance continued to prevail in the executive teams of companies whose workforces failed to mirror the diversity within their communities and ‘we all need to do much more’.” So I am backing that up and I am saying, okay. Black children go to …
The Speaker The Speaker Do not become too comfortable with it. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous And they were threatening, saying, We need Peter Sanderson! We need Peter Sanderson! Anybody know who Peter Sanderson is? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Christopher Famous He is the chief advocate for immigration reform for non . . . yes, loop- holers. Is that a word? Loop- holers. [Inaudible interject ions]
Mr. Christopher Famous Loop- holian. So okay. They are saying, Peter Sanderson is going to take the Government to court, and, This is a farce, and, Caines has wasted our time, and, Blahblah-blah- blah- blah, and, How could the OBA go along with thi s? So I look at today’s paper, the Royal …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Christopher Famous “Proposed legislation to tackle problems faced by mixed- status families is a step forward, a human rights lawyer has said. “Peter Sanderson, ” (the loop- holist, the loop - holian) “who has represented several people in imm igration and human rights cases, s aid the Government deserved credit for its …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member? Minister, are you stretching? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, I am stretching t owards the mic.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister De Silva, you have the floor. COVID -19—ROYAL GAZETTE IRRESPONSIBLE HEA DLINES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to highlight two things tonight. One is just a short request to the Royal G azette. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members on either side are not always present. So you do not have to make an issue on that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, they are not. But I think it is importa nt to note because I like to— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Look. The reason I asked . . . and the Honourable Member Scott Pearman says the quorum . The reason I say that is b ecause when I talk about an indiv idual, I like them to be in the House. So …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Ah, Mr. Hayward. Mr. Hayward, you have the floor.
Mr. Jason Hayward Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Mr. Hayward, MP. GENDER EQUITY IN THE WORKPLACE — LEGISL ATIVE INTERVENTION NEEDED
Mr. Jason Hayward I am speaking on a lighter topic than my colleagues. We would have found on Friday, as well as the weekend, women in our community celebrating International Women’s Day, which morphed into International Women’s Weekend. And what it shows us is that as a community we need to make more …
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to speak with some women in international business about their experience in the workpl ace. B ecause if we are talking about pay equity and things of that nature, I thought it important that I got my facts straight. And the stories I heard …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there other Honourable Members rising to their feet? That means I can go home early this evening. Thank you, Members. We will see you all at 10:00 am on Wednesday morning for the resumption of the Committee of Supply. Have a good evening. [Gavel] [At …
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