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House of Assembly Session 2019/2020 454 speeches

March 6, 2020

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Session Summary

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Minister of National Security Wayne Caines introduced a new immigration bill focused on helping Bermudians with children born overseas and addressing mixed status families where some family members have Bermudian status while others don't. The bill aims to make it easier for Bermudian children born abroad to gain status and keep families together. Minister Kim Wilson also presented the 2015 Hospitals Board report, noting progress in clearing audit backlogs. MPs asked questions about the immigration reform timeline and whether the process was truly bipartisan as promised.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 6, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 27
Speeches 454

Key Topics

Introduction of the Repatriation and Mixed Status Families Bill to reform immigration lawsTabling of the Bermuda Hospitals Board Annual Report for 2015Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2020Bermuda Public Accountability Board 2019 Annual ReportInternational Women's Day acknowledgments and community congratulations

Bills & Motions

Repatriation and Mixed Status Families Bill - tabled for future debate (amends the Bermuda Immigration and Protection Act 1956)
Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2020 - tabled
No bills were debated or voted on in this sitting

Notable Moments

Minister Caines emphasized this immigration bill is "just the beginning" of comprehensive reform, not the complete solution
The bill was developed through an 18-month bipartisan process involving both PLP and OBA members
International Women's Day was celebrated, with MP Dennis Lister wishing his mother (the Speaker's wife) a happy 65th birthday

Debate Transcript

454 speeches from 27 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 2 and 4 March 2020 ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 2 nd of March and also the 4th of March have been circulated. Are there any corrections or omissions that need to be addressed? There are none. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 2 March and 4 March 2020 confirmed. ] MESSAGES …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. HOUSE PAGES
The Speaker The Speaker Today I would just like to announce that we have with us two Pages who are sitting in with us today. We have Ms. [Jache] Butler and Ms. [Dazhja] Greaves, who are both here. I think you have seen both [of them] this morning as they have circulated around. Yes. …
The Speaker The Speaker I would also like to announce that Mr. Cole Simons is absent today. And he will send his apology. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker This morning on the Order Paper you will see that there are three papers to be tabled today. And the first is in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. D ickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2020 …
The Speaker The Speaker And, Minister, I believe the second is also in your name. BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD 2019 ANNUAL REPORT AND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Bermuda Public Accountability Board 2019 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And the third paper is in the name of the Mi nister of Health. Minister Wilson. 3394 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly BERMUDA HOSPITALS BOARD ANNUAL REPORT FOR 2014/15 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are two Statements on the Order Paper this morning. The first is again in the name of the Minister of Health. Minister. BERMUDA HOSPITALS BOARD ANNUAL REPORT 2015 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker and Honourable Members, I am very pleased to be tabling in this Ho nourable House …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The second Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Minister, would you like to put your Stat ement? Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker It so does. TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMIL IES BILL Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, Winston Churchill once said, “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” These words were spoken after …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. There are no further Statements this morning. We will move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker We have the two Statements which were delivered this morning. And we have Members who have indicated that they would like to ask questions of the Minister of Immigration. The first Member is Member Hayward. Would you like to put your question?
Mr. Ja son Hayward Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMILIES BILL
Mr. Jason Hayward This question is put to the Mini ster: Why did the Minister decide to do an amendment and not just produce a whole new Bill?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, that is actually a very good question. This Act was written in 1956. There are so many parts to this legislation. We felt that it was very important for us to ensure that we dealt with this in a way that we were able …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, a second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to ask your own question, or would you like to ask a supplementary, because you haven’t . . .?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. I want to ask my own question.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you need to come up and get put on the list, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker You have not put yourself on the list this morning. If you c ome and put your name on the list––I am going to acknowledge those on the list first. The other Member who has indicated . . . Member Tyrrell, would you like to put your question? QUESTION 1: …
Mr. N eville S. Tyrrell Thank you and good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is just for clarification. The PLP in its manifesto said that we would do this process in a bipartisan manner. Can the Minister confirm that this matter w as conducted as such?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Yes, Mr. Speaker. The entire process was done in a bipartisan manner. Actually, as said in the Statement, we had a number of stakehol ders throughout our community who had been a part [of it]. But with reference to the bipartisan, we had MP Benjamin Smith …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? No supplementary. The next one on the list is the Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, wo uld you like to put your question? QUESTION 1: TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMILIES BILL Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. The Honourable Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: I have learned, Mr. Speaker, we were supposed to bring this phase in July. We were then supposed to bring this next phase in September. What we have realised is that we are going to debate this Bill in the not -too-distant future. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? No supplementary. The next Member on the order is the Honourable Member Commissiong. Would you like to ask your question? QUESTION 1: TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMILI ES BILL
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister: Minister, you have talked about the benefit of these proposed changes. To Bermudians who have had children born overseas — for example, for myself, my new granddaughter was born only a few months ago in the UK —how will this allow people in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? No supplementary. The next Member who would like to put a question is the Member Pearman. Would you like to put your question?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. And Minister, thank you for your present ation. And really, for the benefit of the listening pu blic, although you have already said it, this Bill will come on for a full and substantive debate in the next few weeks. So this is not …
The Speaker The Speaker Just on the Statement and not on the Bill that will be tabled.
Mr. Scott Pearman Indeed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for that clarification. But that is really for the benefit of the listening audience, who may not appreciate the way the procedures work.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 1: TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMILIES BILL
Mr. Scott Pearman Minister, my question is this, and I think I have understood what you said in your Stat e3400 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly ment; it was very clear. But I think it is helpful just to pose the question again to ma ke sure that …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: That i s correct, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Indeed it is my second and only question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman It is my secon d and final question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question then. QUESTION 2: TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMILIES BILL
Mr. Scott Pearman And, Minister, likewise this Bill is not, as I think you said in your Statement, retrospec-tive. And as I understand that, what that means is if there is a child born after this Bill passes, this Bill will affect that child. If there is a child who has already been …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: That is correct. That is correct, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as was said by the Learned Member, we will have the opportunity to go through the substantive Bill l ine by line, precept upon precept. And if there are any . . . this Bill is …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or is this another question?
Mr. Scott Pearman This is supplementary. And thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary.
Mr. Scott Pearman So thank you for that clarific ation. And I am grateful. And there will be a substantive deba te coming on. And I just simply thank the Minister and his committee for their efforts.
The Speaker The Speaker I thought you were putting a question to him. The next Member who has a question is the Honourable Member Richards. Honourable Member, you have the floor. QUESTION 1: TABLING THE REPATRIATION AND MIXED STATUS FAMILIES BILL Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this was …
The Speaker The Speaker If you are going to answer, you can stand to yo ur feet. Mr. Richards, thank you. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, I would ask that the question be repeated. I was asked, and I did not hear the question. I apologise for not speaking into the microphone, Mr. Speaker. …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I am going to restate my question.
The Speaker The Speaker Restate it? Okay. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes. The Minister did not hear me. Regarding the repatriation issue which surrounds Bermudi ans with children born overseas, this Bill does not make any legislative change in terms of its being retroactive. I am curious why it is not retroactive. Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. What it is you do not want to a nticipate the debate when the debate comes. Your questions should purely be around what is written in the Statement today. And expect that there will be full debate at the appropriate time with the Bill that is to be tabled …
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member like to rise this morning? Everybody is going up and down. Who is first? Minister of Works, you have your three minutes.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Bu rch Mr. Speaker, I would like to give congratulations to the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Whilst I am not an AME, I think I am probably the closest friend they have probably had who is not a member in good and proper standing at the commencement of their 134 th session …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Since we are giving it to everybody else that appears. Mr. Speaker, don’t say you are giving away anything to anybody anyhow. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to congratulate the Pastor of St. Paul. Yesterday he gave a message, Mr. Speaker, that probably should be repeated across the broadcast …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Good words.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, it was a message not just for AMEs. It was a message for people across this country and across the world, as far as I am concerned. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to extend c ongratulations to Keep Bermuda Beautiful [KBB], who held their annual general meeting …
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member, you hav e the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to congratulate two men whom all of us do know. First of all, Trevor Lindsay, who has the TNN media, social media communic …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 28. Honourable Member Lister, you have the floor.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Speaker. 3402 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Good morning.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning to the listening public. I just want to first recognise that today is I nternational Women’s Day, the day of the woman. And hopefully I can associate the whole House with this.
The Speaker The Speaker Everybody is asking, Where is your purple?
Mr. Dennis Lister III My tie, a purple tie.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes.
Mr. Dennis Lister III There you go. But, Mr. Speaker, I think it is even more fitting that on this day, March 6th, 2020, we have International Women’s Day . I have to highlight and send congratulations to a woman who has basically made me who I am today. Today, Mr. Speaker, is the …
Mr. Dennis Lis ter III I would just like to say to my mother, Happy Birthday! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order. [Laughter] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member must be misleading the Hous e! There is no way …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. I think she was pleased to hear that part. How is that? [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Dennis Lister III But I think also, Mr. Speaker, it is even fitting that as a schoolteacher, my whole life (I go 35). So my whole life I have known my mother to be a teacher. And she has brought with her her most recent students from Dellwood Middle School. So as you …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you, Honourable Member. Honourable Member Ming, I see you on your feet. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker You should have associated the whole House, right. Yes.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Oh, Mr. Speaker!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker, you are not going to associate yourself?
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I will do mine before I close. How is that? Honourable Member Ming, y ou have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, listening audience and Mr. Speaker. First of all, I would like to be associated with the comments with regard to the AME Annual Confer-ence. And I also would like to congratulate organisers of Internationa l Women’s Day 2020. This year’s theme is actually Each for Equal. In the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Before . . . Minister , are you on your feet? But before I call . . . (No, you already spoke, Minister.) ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker Before I call to acknowledge the next person, let me just acknowledge that, yes, it was men-tioned that Dellwood Sc hool are with us this morning. We have present the M3s and M2s, a mixture of st udents from Dellwood with Mrs. Lister and Mr. Bean. And I would just …
The Speaker The Speaker And with that, would a ny other Member like to do congratulations? I recognise the Honourable Member De Silva. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning for the House to acknowledg e …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member Commissiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, belatedly I would like to assoc iate myself with the expressions of condolence offered by this House to the family of Mr. Ed Durham. Mr. Durham was actually my first club coach at PHC. We were the PCH Whites, and you had the PHC …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes. We a re talking about the late 1960s, actually maybe around about 1967 and 1968 when I first started. But getting back to Mr. Durham, Mr. Durham was a quintessential Bermudian gentleman. And I guess in coaching terms, I guess you would call him a players’ coac h because …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Kenny Thompson. Sorry. What did I say, Kenny Bascome? Yes. No. Kenny Thompson and North Village for successfully winning the Premier Division league title. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member? I recognise the Member sit ting next to you. Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know how I missed this. But I believe I am associating myself …
The Speaker The Speaker Marita, yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: The aunt of the Hortons, the former Speaker of this House; former Permanent Secretary, Mr. Robert Horton; and a former educator , Ms. Ellen -Kate Horton; and June Horton. Ms. Simmons clearly was a great matriarch of Somerset, and I offer the condolences of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Good morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would ask that this Honourable House do send condolences to the family of the late Ms. Dorothy Mills, who passed earl ier this week, and in particular without ques tion, I will associate the whole House. And of course, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Prem ier. Any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member F amous. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, Bermuda.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, firs t off, I want to s end condolences to the family of Ms. Marie Pacheco of Devonshire. Bermuda House of Assembly Moving on, Mr. Speaker, I would like to join in the condolences to the Tyrrell and Mills family for a lady whom I rightfully should be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Honourable Member Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be as sociated with the Honourable Member from constituency 28, who sent congratulations out to his mother, Ms. Miranda Lister, a lady whom you know very well —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And congratulate her on attaining that milestone, and thank her for the years of service with the young people of Bermuda, especially those through Youth Parliament, of which she has piloted many young people through Youth Parliament and gave mentorship in that regard. I associate myself with the condolences to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member — We recognise the Honourable Member Gordon-Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I join in the condolences that have been offered to our honourable colleague Neville Tyrrell and, obviously we …
The Speaker The Speaker I will remind her of that. How is that? Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? Honourable Member Tyrrell.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all let me associate m yself with th e congratulations to the North Village Community Club on winning the Premier Division, first time in nine years. I would also like to be associated with the congratulations to a fine young lady whom …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to . . . We recognise t he Honourable Member Ha yward. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Jason Hayward Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Jason Hayward I would like to accept the co ngratulations on behalf of the North Village Community Club. [Laughter]
Mr. Jason Hayward I am a former vice president of the club and current member. But I am certainly pleased with the North Village Rams, and I also ex-tend my congratulations to the team. I also want to extend congratulations to the organisers of the International Women’s Day. As active members of the …
Mr. Jason Hayward And you will find —
The Speaker The Speaker You are on a good path. Continue on.
Mr. Jason Hayward And you will find that in most organised bargaining units there is a level of parity that needs to be achieved outside of unionised env ironments. But nothing to take away from women on this day. I ce rtainly want to say that women played an extremely important role in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member? We re cognise the Honourable Member, Ms. Jeanne Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to have this House send condolences to the family of the late Ian Brown. Ian …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Honourable Members Kim Swan and Pat Gordon- Pamplin. If you ever needed anything as it relates to printing and you need something quickly done, you could call Ian, and you knew for sure that he was go-ing to make it happen. I also knew …
The Speaker The Speaker Good advice, Madam. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member. We will move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR TH E ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are two Bills to be introduced this morning. The first is in the name of the Minister of Health. FIRST READING HEALTH INSURANCE AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be put on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The second Bill this morning is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Minister. FIRST READING BERMUDA IMMIGRATION AND PROTECTION AMENDMENT ACT 2020 Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. NOTICE OF MOTION S
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members , particularly for those in the listening audience as well, we are at that point where we will now resume into Committee of Supply to di scuss the annual Budget Debate. And again for t he listening public, once we get to that stage, the Speaker is out of …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objection. We will now move into Commit tee, and Honourable Member Commissiong, you can have the Chair. House in Committee at 11:14 am [Mr. Rolfe C ommissiong, Chairman.] 3408 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Members. Honourable Members, we are now in Commi ttee of Supply for further consideration of the Es timates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21. We will be deliberating on Public Works and the following Heads —which would be 36, 49, 53, 68, 81, 82 and 97. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. So am I correct that we are starting at 11:14, five hours? So we will end 4:14?
The Chairman Chairman Duly noted, sir.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I beg your pardon? The Chai rman: Duly noted.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Oh, yes. We have to be at lunch. Yes. I do not plan on going all the way through. We need to stop for lunch. [Laughter] MINISTRY OF PUBLIC WORKS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I move that the following Heads —36, the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters; 49, Land Valuation; 53, Berm uda Housing Corporation; 68, the Department of Parks; 81, the Department of Public Lands and Buildings; 82, the Department of Works and Engineering; and 97, the Department of Land Title …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. HEAD 36 —MINISTRY OF PUBLIC WORKS HEADQUARTERS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Public Works is responsible for maintaining Bermuda’s critical assets and infrastructure. In fact, Public Works is the lead agent in delivering the infr astructure requirements upon which so many of the services provided to this Island depend. Some of the assets and infrastructure that the …
Lt. Col. Hon. D avid A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Head Office Administration Programme 3601 com-prises Headquarters Administration (including Safety and Health) and Central Filing. Headquarters Admi nistration, under the direction of the Permanent Secr etary, provides oversight and management support to the entire Ministry of Public Works. It also ensures that the policy objectives are met, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the A ccounts Programme 3610 provides accounts payable, accounts receivable, payroll, capital asset recording, and nonf inancial and financial reporting functions for the operating departments within the Ministry. This section also prepares and distributes weekly payroll, vendor cheques and invoices for services provided by the Ministry’s operational areas, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Purchasing Programme 3611 provides centralised purchasing support, inventor y management, and warehousing and disposal functions to the other departments and programmes within the Ministry and to other external departments from time to time. The Purchasing Section’s focus for the fiscal year 2020/21 will be on relocating to …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Telecommunications Programme 3612 provides a suite of services such as replacement of telephones and related equipment, and management of mobile service contracts f or the Ministry. The programme also provides advice to department heads regarding call flows resulting in greater efficiencies and managing the implementation of new …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Human Resources Programme 3613 provides r ecruitment, employee relations and training, and deve lopment services to the various departments and staff within the Ministry. The role of the human resources team is to liaise and partner with the Department of Human Resources to provide human resources advice …
Lt. Col. Ho n. David A. Burch No, they should have been listening. And they know that every student that I ask, I hire them. And then they have to figure out how we are going to pay them. It is real simple. [Inaudible interjection]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I doubt it. One of the people who should be coming begged me last year to quit—to stop hiring, I mean. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I will not say what I really think. Architect Design —Programme 3614
Lt. Col. Ho n. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the objective of the Architect Design Programme 3614 is to 3412 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly deliver architectural design support for Government’s capital development projects in a professional, fiscally prudent and timely manner. Further, it provides opportunities for Bermudian graduates in architecture and …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the budgeted number of employees for the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters is 51. This can be seen on page B -222. The headcount has reduced b y one for 2020/21. But we should not cheer, because the account of the Permanent Secretary now falls under the Cabinet …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Public Works Headquarters will aim to conduct four safety and health assessments with corrective actions in the year, conduct 20 safety and health trainings for Ministry employees, improve the procurement cycle time from requisition to creation of purchase orders in two days 95 per cent of the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, with regard to the major capital projects being managed by the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters, the overall budget capital expenditure plan for the Public Works Headquarters is $10,067,000, details of which can be found on page C -6 of the Capital Accounts Est imates. And the capital …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the overall 2019/2020 Capital Acquisitions Plan for the Public Works Headquarters is $3,424,000, under Schedule C of the Capital Accounts Estimates, and the capital acquisitions inc lude cost centre 76495 — Vehicles and Equipment of $2,745,000 towards r eplacement of aged GP vehicles as well as equipment; and …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed when ready, Mini ster. HEAD 49 —LAND VALUATION DEPARTMENT
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I would now like to turn to Head 49, Land Valuation Depar tment, probably the smallest department in all of government, the mandate of which is to proactively mai ntain an accurate and fair Valuation List for land tax Bermuda House of Assembly purposes in accordance with the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Land Valuation Department has the single Valuation Programme 4901 with the accompanying business unit of 59080, as shown on page B -225. The single Valuation Programme comprises three primary areas: • maintenance of the Valuation List ; • appraisal service ; and • revaluation. Mr. Chairman, as …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The current account expenditure estimates for Head 49 is a total of $1,034,000 that has been allocated to the Land Valu ation Department for fiscal year 2020/21. This alloc ation represents a marginal increase, very marginal, of $7,000 when compared to the original estimates of 2019/20. Mr. Chairman, the department …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, rev enue for the 2020/21 fiscal year can be found on page B-226 and remains at $6,000. This is revenue in r espect of fees which are paid by an objector to have their objection heard before the Land Valuation A ppeal Tribunal in instances where the objection …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Bur ch Mr. Chairman, the department does not have any funds allocated for capital acquisitions for fiscal year 2020/21. Highlights and Achievements 2019/20
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the department’s bursary student, Andesha Busby, succes s3414 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly fully completed her three- year Bachelor of Science Real Estate Degree programme at the University of Reading, England, in June 2019. Ms. Busby then commenced full -time employment with the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Land Title Registry Office is responsible for providing the Land Valuation Department copies of all sales transactions on the Island. This sales information forms the basis of the department’s comparable sales database and is critical to the appraisal advice provi ded to other government departments. Historically, batches …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I will now turn my a ttention to the performance measures for the depar tment for the current fiscal year. Mr. Chairman, the department has again had an exceedingly demanding year, and as one of the smallest in government, the work of the land valuation team should never be mi …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The legislated function of maintaining the Valuation List utilises the greater part of the department’s resources. This work entails inspecting, reassessing and making a corresponding alteration to the Valuation List on any residential, commercial or tourist property that is built, altered or demolished. At year -end 2019 there were a …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, as aforementioned, the Land Valuation Department also provides accurate and timely valuation advice to other government departments upon request. This appraisal Bermuda House of Assembly service will carry on in fiscal year 2020/21 and will continue to include (1) the provision of valuations to the Tax Commissioner and …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the very reason for the department’s formation in 1967 and continued existence is that of maintaining an up- todate and accurate Valuation List as properties are altered on a daily basis as a result of mergers, splits, demolitions and new builds. In addition to this i mportant function, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, as I conclude my presentation of the Estimates of E xpenditure and Revenues for the Department of Land Valuation, Head 49, I would like to reference the three Ps of any successful organisation— people, processes and performance. The department is one of the smal lest in government with …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I would now like to turn to Head 53, t he Bermuda Housing Corporation [BHC or the Corporation]. Mr. Chairman, the mission statement of the BHC is To provide ac-cessibility to adequate, affordable housing and pr omote independent living to enhance the quality of life in Bermuda. Mr. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch To date, that pr ogramme has assisted 14 Bermudian families in their quest to become first -time homeowners. The initiative has been very successful in providing properties available for sale at affordable prices. The sale prices of these properties have been significantly reduced in return f or sweat equity to …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And the BHC also manages and controls the H.U.S.T.L.E. Truck pr ogramme, acronym for Helping the Unemployed Sustain Themselves with Limited Employment, which has been in successful operation since 2007. This year marks the 13 th anniversary of the programme. Mr. Chairman, the Corporation brought the H.U.S.T.L.E. Truck Prog ramme …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, if I may, there was a request from a couple of Members that we adjourn early so that Members could feel free to go to the International Women’s Day event. It is only 10 minutes left. I mean, my position is that we should just go right to lunch. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I have no objection to that. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. So we only have 10 minutes left.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Let them walk into Government. Some of us have had enough of international everything.
The Chairman Chairman Well, I . . . yes. Thank you, Minister. You may proceed, Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I will feel a little better when they have an International Men’s Day som ewhere around the world. I will go and attend it. Rent Geared to Income
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Rent Geared to Income [RGI] initiative gives real relief to clients by assisting them with requested payment of only 25 per cent of their combined household income to be paid to the Corporation as rent regardless of employment st atus of family members. Part of this programme i ncludes …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The BHC operates eight rooming houses, or transitional houses, that contain approximately 180 beds. The various houses are 3418 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly located throughout the Island and provide a safe habitat for BHC clients. The rooming houses cater to households that need immediate, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The BHC has recently initiated an intern programme for three young Berm udians who are working with the Corporation for one year. This intern programme is used to ensure that our young people have guidance and counselling as they make firm decisions on their career choices. They are working in …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Pr ojects Department, consisting of two employees, as-sists with advice regarding major repair work necessary on existing buildings owned by the Corporation, to ensure longevity of the C orporation’s assets. The department has recently been restructured with the project managers overseeing the multiple dwellings which come under …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The department is r esponsible for the maintenance of BHC’s housing stock of approximately 700 units including the rooming Bermuda House of Assembly houses Is land- wide. The department’s responsibilities include the regular maintenance of buildings under the control of BHC and providing advice and assistance to clients of BHC …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Finance Depar tment has a total staff of nine employees, consisting of one finance manager and two assistant finance managers, one responsi ble for reporting and the other for IT, one accounts supervisor, three finance officers and one cashier. The Finance Department carefully monitors the Corporation’s spending and compliance, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Support Services Department is the department responsible for ensu ring that adequate housing is found for BHC clients. The department conducts regular inspections of BHC housing inventory to ensure clients are compliant with their rental contracts. The department consists of 10 persons, one manager, one rentals case worker, two …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Administration Department consists of the general manager, exec utive assistant, one receptionist and two office assi stants. This department is responsible for the orderly daily business of the Corporation. Human Resources
Lt. Col. Ho n. David A. Burch The Human R esources [HR] Department has a total staff of two. It ensures that staff members have the required skills to efficiently and successfully carry out their daily roles as the Corporation ensures employee welfare and provides mentoring and training services. The H.U.S.T.L.E. Truck Programme
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The H.U.S.T.L.E. Truck Programme continues to be of valuable assi stance to unemployed persons who actively seek work. The programme operates out of the Harmony C lub and caters to 20 temporary employees per week. The H.U.S.T.L.E. Truck continues to be of valuable assi stance to Bermuda with the ability …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, we are at around 12:31 now.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am going to end t he Housing Corporation piece right there, Mr. Chairman. And I will move that we adjourn for lunch.
The Chairman Chairman You have always been very efficient, I must say. Okay. So Members, it has been moved that we take lunch right now. And the House will resume at 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:01 pm [Mr. Rolfe Commissiong, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF …
The Chairman Chairman Welcome back, Members, and for the listening public we are back into the Committee of Supply of Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year [2020/21]. The Minister has . . . you have completed the first three Heads, I believe, you will be resuming now in the consideration of …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Before I start with Parks, let me just say that I spent the lunchtime carving some of the items out of this thing and I will have more to say about this whole process towards the end of this period. But I think that . …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch So, this is the Depar tment of Parks, Mr. Chairman, which is responsible for the administration of protected areas listed under the Bermuda National Parks Act [1986]. The current account expenditure estimate allotted to the department for 2020/21 is $9,289,128; which represents a [3.67] per cent decrease of $354,447 compared …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Administration will have a budget of $1,178,037. It is the hub of the d epartment and encompasses the P ark Planning section which will be planning and implementing the following projects for the budget year: • Installation of a third fitness equipment station at Death Valley Park in the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the Park Ranger Service as a small team has operated like many other sections with a shortage of staff. The budget for the 2020/21 is $469,887. This section has taken the lead with some of the public/private partnerships which are bearing positive achievements. The section has been directly …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Lifeguard Service has a budget of $473,981. This year will see the installation of the new lifeguard tower at Clearwater [Beach] Park. This will ensure that lifeguard service continues at this popular location. The department anticipates that there will be 21 Seasonal and Reserve Lifeguards trained and cer-tified under …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The combined budget will be $ 6,767,277. This section comprises the follo wing: • Government House—78015: $268,290; • Maintenance and Development —78020: $831,139; • Eastern Parks —78030: $1,007,923; • Tree Service —78035: $581,904; • Western Parks —78040: $1,394,634; • Schools Grounds —78045: $563,706; • Tulo Valley Nursery —78055: $400,018; • …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The budget for the Railway Trail is $320,000. This has remained constant for over the last 10 year s. The Railway Trail continues to be one of the most actively used parks in the system year -round for both residents and tourists. It has major events such as the World …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The budget for 2020/21 will be $399,946, which is a decrease of $18,418. The primary management responsibility for this se ction includes Fort St. Catherine, within the World Heritage site, and other forts in the eastern par-ishes. However, jurisdiction for managing forts extends to other parks in the National Parks …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly HEAD 81 —PUBLIC LANDS AND BUILDINGS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the r esponsibility of the Department of Public Lands and Buildings is to: To effectively manage [Government] property and provide national mapping to enable the delivery of effective public services. Mr. Chairman, on page B -236 you will note that there are four main programmes for the Depar …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, pr ogramme 8100 Administration, Training and Apprenti ces has a total budget of $278,000. This programme is split between two cost centres, namely: • 91000— Administration: $232,000 • 91001—Training and Apprenticeship: $47,000 The Administration programme objective is to provide administrative support for the Estates and Buildings sections. It …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Buildings section is split between two cost centres, namely: • 91002— Services Management: $1,066,000 • 91003— Maintenanc e: $8,010,000 Mr. Chairman, the Buildings programme, as seen on page B -236, has a mandate to effectively manage the maintenance, repair and renovation of all Government buildings. This programme has a …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch For 2020/21, there ar e a number of planned capital works that will take place. The schools continue to be a high priority with major works being currently planned for the Easter and summer breaks. Some $3,000,000 has been budgeted for these works. Mr. Chairman, I am happy to advise …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the E states section under programme 8102 has a total budget of $10,236,000. The Estates section is split between two cost centres, namely: • 91004— Property Asset Management: $4,503,000 • 91005—Insurance: $5,733,000 And, Mr. Chairman, you will note from the general economic debate that we are looking to …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, $1,925,000 under cost centre 75099 has been budg-eted for office relocations. Funds will be used to refurbish government spaces, wher e possible, to bring in departments currently renting space in the private sector. This year the second phase of the refurbis hment of the third floor of the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I now move to pr ogramme 8103, Land Surveys, with cost centre 91007, Bermuda House of Assembly on page B -231. This programme has a budget alloc ation of $328,000 for fiscal year 2020/21 as compared to a budget of $322,000 in the previous year. This section provides traditional and …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman You are doing a very good and eff icient job.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am trying to finish before three o’clock so we have plenty of time for questions.
The Chairman Chairman I have full confidence in your ability to do so, sir.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. B urch Well, I am going to stop whenever the alarm goes, no matter where I am, Mr. Chairman. HEAD 82 —DEPARTMENT OF WORKS AND ENGINEERING
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the mission of the Department of Works and Engineering is: To ensure the effective and prudent management of all operations and engineering services relating to the construction, erection, improvement, maintenance, and repairs of government infrastructure. The operational budget estimates for the department for 2020/21 is $29,29 9,000 which …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, he came in late. Mr. Chairman, the budget for cost centre 92013, Composting Operations, is $1,646,000, which represents a decrease of $147,000 when compared with the original of 20 19/20. This decrease was pr imarily in equipment rental costs, which is projected to be offset by newly purchased equipment. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch It puts it in . . . huh? [Inaudible interjection]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, it puts it in clear perspective. Take your trash to Tynes Bay, do not drop it off at Tatem. The revised forecast for the amount of ash concrete the facility produces is 7,000 cubic yards. This is an increase from last year due to funding costs and overtime which …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I will now provide a summary of the status of the major capital projects being managed by the Department of Works and Engineering. The overall 2020/21 Capital Expenditure Plan for the Department of Works and Engineering is $16,330,000. Details are found on pages C -6 and C -7 …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I just told you. [Inaudible interjection]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No. Mr. Chairman, here we are . . . [Pembroke Canal Upgrade], CEP cost centre 75293. This pr ogramme is for the upgrade of the Pembroke Canal. The estimate for this cost centre is zero dollars this year. While no funding has been allocated for the next budget year, the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I would now like to pr ovide you with a summary of the status of the major acquisitions being managed by the D epartment of Works and Engineering, the details of which can be found on page C -14. Vehicles and Equipment, [CEP cost centre 76495]. The vehicles …
The Chairman Chairman Carry on, Minister, please. Thank you. HEAD 97 —LAND TITLE AND REGISTRATION
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the D epartment of Land Title and Registration’s mandate is: Guaranteeing land titles, simplifying property transactions, and using digital technology to maintain data security. Additionally, the department’s objectives are: • to create and maintain an electronic register of all legal estates and interests in land thus providing securit …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, T. N. Tatem. Mr. Chairman, business unit 107030, Land T itle Management, in the past year, the Land Title Registration Office undertook and achieved the following performance measures . . . I am going to pass on those. If you have got a question, I will answer. Mr. Chairman, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The Land Title Regi stration Office Public Access Module (PAM) now has a payment gateway in place and will be ready to be rolled out this coming fiscal year. PAM, as it is called, will allow the public to check their deeds information online to ensure that it is correct. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, the key projects for 2020/21 are as follows: • The office is now looking to explore and pr ovide further security to their data by introducing new Blockchai n technology to its system. In essence, Blockchain is a digital database (or ledger) distributed across a network of computers. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers? I recognise the Leader of the Opposition, Mr. Cannonier. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to start off where the Honourable Minister has ended off and, too, echo the sentiments of the heads of these departments that we …
The Chairman Chairman Page B . . .? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Page B -218, sorry, B -218. I am going to try to read without my glasses here. And on this page, we have a general summary, of cours e, which highlights . . . and we will get into some of …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm, [page] B -223? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —on page B -223. Under business unit 46111, Administration, I just had a question on the second point that says conduct safety and health assessments and corrective action plans for the operational areas. I am assuming that this goes across the board …
The Chairman Chairman Carry on. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So, under Head 49, Land Valuation, again, I would li ke to lend my support behind the sentiments of the Minister, as he mentioned that this is a model area, a department which, quite frankly, has always pushed beyond their weight. And I cannot …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Now, the derelict buildings . . . he also mentioned under Bermuda Housing Corporation that there were many derelict . . . well, I should not say “many ” derelict, but identified that there were derelict buildings and that people had been approaching either himself …
The Chairman Chairman Can I just interrupt one moment — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, yes, sir.
The Chairman Chairman —to recognise in the Gallery the former Speaker of the H ouse [Honourable] Randolph Horton? It is nice to see you, sir. [Desk thumping] [Committee of Supply, Ministry of Public Works, debate continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Carry on. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you. So, again, I echo those sentiments and I am glad that the Minister did bring that up. They are fine people working there, trying to do a good job for Bermuda. If I can then go move on …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And if we go over to page B-230, and I am just . . . in this particular . . . I am going to have to ask the Minister for some grace. When he was talking, I could just about hear him in some …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —we see there Maint enance and Development. I just want to make sure . . . I am just checking my notes on what he had said here. So, you can see that between the original amount and the estimate there is a $40,000 difference. …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier:—and I found this interes ting, because there is an Eastern Parks and we know that there is a Western Parks. But if you look at the Eastern Parks it is less $31,000, and if you look at Western [Parks] it is plus $27,000. And I …
The Chairman Chairman You take an issue with that? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yeah, man, I am an East Ender. I am trying to figure out what is going on here. Also, I was curious in pointing those out, he did mention some work about Tulo Valley, so I did get an answer …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —the original amount, of course, $1.481 [million] and then the estimate amount of $1.4 [million] even. For Botanical Gardens there is an $81,000 less amount there, if we can get an expl anation to that. Understanding that I was just at Botan ical Gardens yesterday …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member In the East End? [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But if that is by design, it is good to see. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, they have been r equested. So it would be good to hear about that. But it is kind of encouraging to see that, …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: [I am looking at] my different notes here.
The Chairman Chairman While you are doing that I will just remind the listening audience that we are still in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also did . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Which page are we going to? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We are going to page B - 328.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Under Head 81.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Public Lands and Buil dings, under business units 91002 through to 91003, the second item there, number of government -owned facilities to be sealed removing the potential of water ingress, future mould and mildew. I would like to hear a little more [about that]. The …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I think it was the n ational flower. But mould continues to be a challenge in Bermuda. It is something that we have lived with forever. But it does become a challenge when the public is screaming out and we are trying to remediate …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I knew I had a note here. In talking about public lands and buildings, I know that there were at one time discussions about centralising the civil service, all the different depar tments. [It would] be difficult with Parks, per se, but with some …
The Chairman Chairman Member, I do not want to break your flow, but you do realise you have about an hour. You have raised a lot of questions so I just want to be sure— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Cra ig Cannonier: Lord have mercy. Okay. Let me move along here. Yes, yes.
The Chairman Chairman If you want the answers to your — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: What? Good Lord! Thank you for that. I did not realise the time had gone by so quickly. All right, I will m ove down to 8203, Waste Management. We did get some good answers coming from the …
The Chairman Chairman It is d ue to end at 5:44. You have an hour and . . . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Hour and ten minutes? He is sharp. He can get through to the end; he can get through them. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: You have some …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other speakers? I recognise the Honourable Member GordonPamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just have a couple of questions that I wonder if the Minister could address. One is to start on the Ministry of Public Works, Headquarters. This is …
The Chairman Chairman What page? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is on page C - 6. [It is] 75096. It is on the left- hand side of the page, and that is the Swing Bridge Refurbishment. The question t hat I have is, Have there been effective lead abatement on the structures …
The Chairman Chairman On page B? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is on page B - 247, Subjective Analysis under Salaries. So the difference between . . . we have only spent $596,000, and this is the best estimate as to what we are going to spend given . . . you …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, sir.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch —nice to see you.
The Chairman Chairman It is goo d to be seen, cousin. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Okay. I am going to go, I believe, in the order in which they came, even though I have duplicate answers from my people over there. Hopefully, they are not in conflict, otherwise somebody wi ll be in trouble. Any anticipation of selling buildings? Is there a process in place …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I can confirm that there is no bias in this, Mr. Chairman, between the West and the East. I accept all the Parks workers as my children, so except for the week of Cup Match, they belong to me. But essentially, the answer to this is going to be the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But I think they should look on the bright side. The ability to get funding for the whole country is probably greater than just focusing in on St. George’s. That is what I will say. And ne ither one of them are here. I am sure they will get the …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Okay. [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Minister, in reference to page C -6 on the Homeless Shelter under business unit 75320 . . . I know my Honourable Leader did ask a …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you want to move your Heads.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I have got about three more minutes, do I not, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you want to move your Heads, it is 5:40. I am sorry, it is five . . . you have got — Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: I have got three more minutes.
The Chairman Chairman Three minutes, yes.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am just saying, Mr. Chairman. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman I don’t want to cut you short. The clock down the back, it moves
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Oh, you can’t see that far? Okay. Mr. Chairman, I end my presentation on this Ministry of Public Works Heads by quoting the motto of the Ministry, Business as usual won’t do . And I said that earlier. In my opinion (and this is mine, so . . .) it …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The system is broken. It is old. It is archaic. It is disjointed. It is confusing and frustr ating to both the Government and the Oppos ition. It was designed for a long time ago, Mr. Chai rman. Fifty -six hours is too long . . . a time when …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch The only people pr esent in the House are the Minister, generally, and the Shadow . . . we have got a few more now. So, the i nformation is not shared with all Members and the learning process is made a nonsense of. This year we used zero- based …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. 3448 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: The process is a nonsense.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am probably going to even get a flogging for this, but what else . . . you know, go talk to Alice. [Desk thumping]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But, Mr. Cha irman, my point is . . . my point is that we could do so much better. We could do so much better for both sides. We could do so much better for the people of this country who do not have time to listen to Burch …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch —process of this. And I would invite the Minister of Finance (in his absence I am sure somebody has called him by now), to consi der, in consultation with the Shadow Finance Minister, doing something different that actually makes sense to those people and these people, and those people and …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And so, with that, with those comments on my limit, I move the following Heads: 36, Ministry of Public Works Headquarters; 49, Land Valuation; 53, Bermuda Housing Corporation; 68, Department of Parks; 81, Department of Public Lands and Buildings; 82, Department of Works and Engineering; and 97, Land Title Registration …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 36, 49, 53, 68, 81, 82, and 97 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Public Works, Heads 36, 49, 53, 68, 81, 82, and 97 were approv ed and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expend iture for the year 2020/21]
The Chairman Chairman We call upon the Minister responsible for Cabinet and Government Reform to debate Heads 13, 14, 51, and 61. It has a time of three hours and it can finish so oner if everybody agrees. CABINET AND GOVERNMENT REFORM Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move the …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. [Mrs. Renee Ming, Chairman] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Chairman, I would have to agree with Colonel Burch in what he said just now. I think we could do some things better. The pr ocess that we have been doing now has been going on for years and years …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, just before you proceed, that can be found on page B -70 for the listening audience. HEAD 61 —DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYEE & O RGANI SATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 61, The Department of Employee and Organisational Development, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Ministers. Just for the benefit of the listening public, we are doing Cabinet/Government Reform, Heads 13, 14, 51 and 61. Would any Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20,
Ms. Susan Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good evening, Madam Chairman. Before I begin, I would like very much to focus on one head at a time, so maybe Communications first, and then I will move on to the other three. But before I ask my questions I would like to acknowledge, especially on International Women’s Day, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson You did mention analytics and, just for the sake of the general public who may be following along, I am on page B -67 discussing line item 61060 Portals Management. So, within that you had mentioned the intr oduction of some analytics. And I am just wondering how are we …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Madam Chairman, Honourable Member, the analytics that we are referring to are actually the study of the effecti veness of posts. So at the moment we are using a software called Hootsuite, which basically gauges how many times something is shared, how many times som …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I have one other question around the portal, and then I will let it go. And that is around the design and the actual journey that the customer experienced. So, you know, I understood the rationale around having basically the www.gov.bm as the search engine. You know, you pretty …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am sorry, I just came up with another question around the portal. This question actually overlays with the online services for the post office. So i f a government department chooses to have any kind of online services, if we start getting into being able to make purchases or …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I have one other topic that I am int erested in in the Department of Communications. And that is the telephone customer service. This is B -67, and I will start with the Tel ephone Customer Service Representatives, 61070. So you had mentioned that there is a new phone …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak to Head 61, the Department of Communic ations? I recognise the Member from constituency number 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Chairman. To the Honourable Minister, this has been an interesting discussion. Around social media, could the Honourable Minister inform this …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would any other person wish to speak to Head 51, Department of Communications? I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I would like to just move over to the performance measures on B -69, in partic ular. In Portals Management, 61060, I am just interes ted in the satisfaction surveys that you have. I see that there are satisfaction surveys as well for 61070, which are the Customer Service …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Madam Chairm an. Unfortunately, I do not have that information with me. But I would ask my team to put it together. I will be glad to provide it as soon as they have it for me. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Would any other Member wish to speak to Head 51, Department of Communications? No other Member. We will move to the other heads. But I just wanted to make sure that we did ev e-rything in Head 51. So rather than having each Mini ster going up and …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. We move to the other heads at this time.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, please. And so I am interested in asking some questions for Head 13 for the Post Office. So my first question is actually on the leadership, s o let me just look for it in employee numbers. I guess I can speak to it on page B -49 under …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The stat us is that the persons acting are . . . the Ministers do not get involved in hiring government workers. And it will be up to the head of the civil service and the PS [Permanent Secretary].
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Member from C -20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And my other question is around page B -49, line 345, the Sub- Post Offices. You mentioned that there are now eight of the sub-post offices. And I am just curious, one, what has come of the post offices that are no longer in oper ation? I know that there …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. So no votes. And we come under the UK. So th is feels a little bit like a correspondent bank, and it is all about the United States, really, right? So if we want to move any posts and parcels through the United States, we have to be a …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will try to explain. I do not have the information in front of me, but let me try to explain basically how it works. So the United Postal Union falls under an advanced country, per se, and a country that is being modernised, or …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yep. Yep. Thank you, Mini ster.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So I just will segue then to ask some questions around some of the proposals for future services. On page B -49, line 350 under Courier Services, with all of these there are not any real n umeric changes. So this is not a big discussion for me around the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Honourable Member, I do not have the numbers in front of me right now. I am hoping they are bringing them back and can provide that information for us. But there has definitely been a reduction in mail. I think we all recall when we …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Minister, just as a follow - up to that. Are post office personnel who make the deliveries now more flexible? Can they do varied routes throughout the Island?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will try to get that info rmation to the Member.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Send him a letter. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman While you sort that out, let us take a minute to remind the public that we are in the Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure. We are doing Heads 13, 14 and 61, Cabinet and Government R eform. It is now 7:31. And this debate will finish at 8:40. Member, …
The Chairman Chairman Just one second, because he is act ually just taking one second to do that. And I want him to be able to hear your question. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have someone who would like to speak, but I wanted to make sure that you have their — [Crosstalk] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. I am just trying to get the information for the Member. Was there another question you asked? Sorry. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes, I …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Member. You said you are looking at the headcount? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am looking at head B -51. 3466 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay? And I am saying, bearing in mind that the …
The Chairman Chairman Hold on. Hold on one second, Member. I need to make sure that I am listening to what the Member is saying. So if you are talking, I am just asking you to lower your volume. Thank you. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: So I am assuming that if we are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So basically, I think I can answer some of the questions here. There are about six million [pieces of] mail annually. The costs have been reduced by 50 per cent over the last 10 years. Deliveries . . . and they do …
The Chairman Chairman Is there a question? I recognise the Member from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: And I am going to ask the other question, partially because if these things have been considered, then the public will get to know that it has been. And if not, then hopefully it will. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister, would you like to answer that question now? [No audible response]
The Chairman Chairman I am going to recognise the Member from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister, just appreciate the volume for the last year, I guess. You said six million pieces. I know that the post office probably has the information, because I am sure they look …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Madam Chairman, I guess this seems to be inconsistent and in opposition to a statement that was made earlier from the point of view of saying that there was going to be the opportunity of having people …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister, would you like to respond? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Chairman, you know the Honourable Member had five years to do what she wanted to do. The direction we are heading is where we are. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is right. And so …
The Chairman Chairman I am going to recognise the Member from constituency 20
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Madam Chai rman, I just have a quick question. So when you were talking about sort of consolidating or centralising bill payment, you had mentioned in your brief that there were like six legacy computer systems. And I am on page C -9, line 76663, Computer Equipment. I …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Chairman, I believe I mentioned something about it in the actual brief. I am trying to find it right now. Just give me one minute. [Pause] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So what I mentioned was the Bermuda Post Office capital expenditure budget for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is more comprehensive. Hon. Wayne L. Furber t: Yes; more efficient for the government. But within the department itself it allows some of that work that we talked about for gover nment, paying services at the post office can be done through that Swift system.
The Chairman Chairman Member for Constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. So with all of the proposed changes, I just want to reflect on B -49. The total expenditure for the post office is about $10.5 million in expenses. But yet, they are right now only earning about $4 million in revenue eac h year. So last year and …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Chairman, first of all let me just say that the staffing level has come down considerably over the years. We do not plan to cut staff. I am not sure if that is the objective of the One Bermuda Alliance. Oh, you are not …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I understand what the Honourable Member is saying. But what I am saying is, Bermuda House of Assembly they felt that [closing] three post offices was sufficient. That i s what they did. They closed three post offices. And so the numbers …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Member from C -20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And so my final question, or area of questioning around Head 13 for the Post O ffice, page B -49, is under Rentals. So yes, a couple of years ago the post office processing unit moved out into the new Venture buil ding. And we are paying an annual rental …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I just had one or two questions on Head 14, Department of Statistics. I guess the big question rea lly for statistics is all about timing. And so, you know, I am just curious. There was quite a bit said about the time frame of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, I mean, I do not have the information. But just thinking about technology, technology always finds a way to im prove inefficiencies within departments. For instance, every month we have people going into the fields, particularly let us say grocery stores, collecting items as …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, are you going to finish a nswering the question? Hon. W ayne L. Furbert: Yes. I am sorry.
The Chairman Chairman That is okay. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So I mentioned about tec hnology. But so, the department has purchased 18 tab3470 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly lets which will streamline data collection and pr ocessing, particularly for retail sales, I am assuming.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. So I am just staying with 24020, Core Statistics. So then, if we purchased and increased our number of tablets so that we can electronically collect the data, which would then be quickly downloaded or exported into some sort of programme that would push out the results a lot …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: A lot of surveys are being done within the department. The employment survey tabulations, we do not have people going out in the fields. That information is completed by the employer. There is other information that we may gather that is really done by …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. This is on page B -56. It is indicating under the Performance Measures, new tables in the environmental statistics compendium compiled to reduce data gaps as per the United Nations Statistical Division’s recommendation by …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Ok. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. On line 24025, there is a mention of the core annual survey. What are those surveys? What are those core annual surveys? Can you list them for me?
The Chairman Chairman Minister, would you like to answer the question? Hon. Wayne L . Furbert: Sorry, you said number what? What number?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It is on B -55 and it is line item 24025. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Right. So, that is annual surveys. We did an annual . . .
The Chairman Chairman I think it says annual. Hon. Wayne L. Fu rbert: Just one minute— [Pause] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, we do an annual Bermuda digest of statistics, Bermuda job markets, employment briefs, employment survey tabulation, ann ual gross domestic product (these is annual stuff), the tourist satellite ac count report …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tourists. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Tourists is one of them. I nformation communication and technology profile. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Information communication and technology profile.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other . . . Minister , have you finished answering the question? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I have answered most of the questions. But besides, there was the question that the Honourable Member had mentioned about the —
The Chairman Chairman There was a qu estion from the— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, the Member asked about new tables in the environmental statistics compendium compiled to reduce . . . just a moment. [Pause] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, we do not have that i nformation at this time, but we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Ministe r. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20. Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. So, I would like to move on to Head . . . hold on, we have done that one.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Head 26 . . .
The Chairman Chairman We are not doing 26. You mean 61? It starts on B -70.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Here it is. Head 61, Depar tment of Employee and Organisational Development. So, I would like to be gin with the employee numbers on B -71 and the . . . so, in the brief it was explained that there were staff members that had been moved from management services …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry . . . no. Right now, the compensation falls under the Accountant General. Management Consultant service falls under the employee organisational development . So, now those two units will fall directly under that employee and organisational development structure. That is where they will be. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Ministe r. I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, do those separate HR areas or departments in each one of those Ministries, presently kind of come under the umbrella of the department of human resources? It seems like we have got a duplication of efforts right now. We have got the department of human resources, which is functioning …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, what . . . I mean, I know that you are talking about efficiencies and streamli ning, but what actually is really going to be that fundamentally different about bringing everybody in under an umbrella?
The Chairman Chairman Hold on one second. Minister , can you take your seat? You can speak to the speaker, that is fine. Continue.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, Madam Chairman, I am just wondering what will be fundamentally different about the people who are going to be moving from where they are now into this employee and organis ational development. Now, I get what the vision and focus and some of the quite ambitious goals that the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, thank you. Minister , are you ready to respond? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I am.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Proceed. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I think you asked the question earlier . . . and when I said no— [Inaudi ble interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, it was “no” because we were talking about budgets. So, there was no change to the budget, because that is what …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I understand that. 3472 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly So, because we are on budget numbers, I was [saying] “no” to the budget numbers. But there may be some changes in the actual description and — [Inaudible interjections] …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Back behind you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, over on Front Street . . . maybe we are talking about Front Street. So, they are . . . when you say there is a hold up, everyone thinks of the department of human resources l ocated on Front Street. But …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to page B -72. [Here] there is an indication that this department is going to, it says operational and organisational needs analysis conducted across government, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A second one? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Shall I give you the next one? Okay. The second question after that relates to facilitate completion of strategic plans by depar tment and that target outcome is 20. Now, that gets back to my first question. If 30 was the whole depar …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will get that information. Just give me just one minute.
The Chairman Chairman Sure. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Bermuda House of Assembly There are approximately 50 departments. So, management consultant service will provide . . . when you looked at it, there are 30 there, it is to provide service or reviews for 30 departments. Hon. Jeanne J. …
The Chairman Chairman Do you have a supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Supplement, sorry. Yes, I guess it is supplementary. I guess my question [would be], is this because the other departments are going to be done next year? And what would happen to them during the current year? Because I know that …
The Chairman Chairman Ministe r? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry, as the Honourable Member will be aware, that you cannot do everything all at once. So, the MCS has said that reasonably we can do X amount at a certain time. So, for the budget year of 2020/21, we are going to do …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, Madam Chairman, one of the motivati ons for the employee and organisational development department, as I understand it, is that there is a Government reform report, which we have all read and debated, and there are a number of actions within that report that this department will spearhead. I …
Ms. Susan E. Jack son Well, I think I am confirming that the Minister had said that all of the different HR representatives in all of the different departments around the civil service will now come in, and maybe by next year there will be a full complement of HR represent atives in the Department …
The Chairman Chairman Minister ? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: First of all, we had reported that there will be new job descriptions. And we also look at as far as — [Inaudible in terjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I said “no” to pay. That is what I said. I am going to …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I have to say from the outset that I personally support the idea of having all the HR people together because of the benefits of making sure that there is consistency developing people, et cetera. So, …
The Chairman Chairman Competency. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Competency . Yes, an yway, my brain is gone. But, you know, what I am trying to say is that it just seems strange. You have 50. Thirty are going to get needs and the other are going to have competencies. And so it just …
The Chairman Chairman Minister — Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Do I need to repeat that? Or you got it? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I got it. So the Government says out of the 5,000 . . . I am going to use this as an example. Out of the 5,000 employees, we …
The Chairman Chairman Minister — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman I think that the Member is, she is sta ting that they tie in. That is the belief that she has. I do not know, I mean, what you may be wi lling to do is just explain what you are going to do, because I do not think you …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Does any other Member wish to speak?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson This is probably my last question, Madam Chairman. So, on top of (and I am in performance measurements, B -72) the role that the employee and organisational development department will also play is, I would imagine, negotiations with the unions. And if I Bermuda House of Assembly am correct, there …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Oh, okay. And so, you know, this is just another layer. I guess really my bottom line is, one, whether there are the resources, the financial . . . you know, I am just trying to get a feel for whether this department is going to float, given the heavy …
The Chairman Chairman Just before you rise to your feet, Minister, I just want to say that the time is now 8:25, so we have 15 minutes left in this debate. Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member . . . there is one Member on that side saying that it is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I just have one question, and I guess I was sort of concerned because in this it says identify duplication in the payroll process . And that is …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, I am sure you do not mean that they are identifying duplications of payroll processes. You are not assuming that they are paying twice. Okay. So, the process . . . and there could be some duplications, as far as the process within Accountant …
The Chairman Chairman Minister ? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: All right. You can look at the actual . . . if you look at the actual line 71010, it talks about compensation. So, what we are doing is putting all the compensation within that organisation.
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member . . . Minister , first of all, are you finished responding to the question? Yes? Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you. I just cannot quite let this go just yet. There is a description . . . and, you know, I would like to think that the performance measures on B-72 will increase as this department develops. But one of the Government Senators had said that there will be …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me one second, Member. What are you referring to? 3476 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: Well, I am just referring to a quote that came from a Senator. [Inaudible interjec tions]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Via a Government Senator.
The Chairman Chairman Where can that be found?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson This would be Senator Vance Campbell. So, it is in the Hansard, and I have got it here as a quote.
The Chairman Chairman And what is the date on that?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson March 27, 2019. So, if these tasks are going to be carried out, these exercises, then will they be included, and will this performance measure expand as the department expands and grows? Will you be adding more to the perfor mance measures?
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you. This is not easy. All right? We are going through a transition right now regarding reallocation of descriptions as far as putting all these human r esources departments within the Employee and Organisational Development. It is going to take time, and hence why …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member ? Minister — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 13, 14, I will do 51 also, and 61 be approved as printed. The Chairm an: It has moved that Heads 13, …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again on Monday , …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections to the motion? There appear to be none. Approved. The next order of business . . . I think the next order . . . Mr. Somner — [Crosstalk]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It is number 3 is it not? Second reading— [Crosstalk]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Right. The next order of bus iness will be the second reading of the Digital Asset Issuance Act 2020, by the Minister of Finance, Mr. Dickinson. Minister , you have the floor. BILL SECOND READING DIGITAL ASSET ISSUAN CE ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any objections? None. Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, the purpose of this Bill before you is to facilitate the transfer of the administration and regulation of the digital asset issuance regime [DAI] for merly known as Initial Coin Offering regime from the Registrar of Companies to the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat GordonPamplin. Ms. Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I thank the Minister for the comments that he has made in introducing this …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any further speakers? The Deputy Speaker recognises the Premier, the Honourable David Burt. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much and good evening to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Good evening. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise today clearly in support of this Government piece of legisl ation. But I just wanted to make sure that my voice was added to the conversations in this regard, because after hearing the Shadow Minister of Finance and her …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any further speakers? Minister — Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member , Mrs. Ming — House in Committee at 8:53 pm COMMITTEE ON BILL [Mrs. Renee Ming, Chairman] DIGITAL ASSET ISSUAN CE ACT 20 20
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for the further consideration of the Bill entitled Digital Asset Issuance Act 2020 . I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. This Bill seeks …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 10 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? Does any Member wish to speak? No objection. Agreed to. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is self - explanatory. Clause 2 provides definitions including “digital asset acquirer,” “digital asset issuance,” “digital …
The Chairman Chairman Does anybody wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just wish to refer to clause 8, and that is with respect to the codes of conduct. So, this indicates that the Authority may issue …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister? Hon. Curti s L. Dickinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. In response to the Member ’s first question about whether the code would be customised to each issuer, the answer to that is no. The code will apply to the regime. So, there …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thanks. I thank the Minister for his response. It is just that a fi gure of $200,000 does not necessarily seem, in my mind, to be deemed to be high …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Di ckinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just to make a correction there, in the case of the $200,000, it is the income for an individual; $300,000 if the individual and their spouse are purchasing it; $1 million being the net worth number. Madam Chairman, I move …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 to 10 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 10 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I would like to move clauses 11 through 20.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved . . . I am sorry. Would any Member wish to speak to clauses 11 through 20? [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I am sor ry, I am jumping ahead. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I am going to make this real quick, too. Okay? [Laughter] 3482 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 11 creates an offence of conducting a digital asset issuance …
The Chairman Chairman Does any Member wish to speak? I recognise the Mem ber from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just wanted to briefly look on page 14 at clause 13 with respect to grant and r efusal of applications, and clearly the …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? No? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, the reference paragraph, [clause] 13, subsection (2), states, “T he Authority shall not grant an authorisation unless it is satisfied that the minimum criteria set out in Schedule 1 are fulfilled with respect to the appl …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I thank the Minister for his explanation. But I did look at this clause in conjunction with the Sc hedule in terms of who is fit and proper, and who could …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I believe in normal circu mstances, there is a dialogue which would happen be-tween the applicant and the Authority as they are pr eparing their applications for submission. Additionally, the applicant would avail themselves to the resources of local professionals who can provide guidance around …
The Chairman Chairman No other Member wishes to speak? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 11 through 20 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 1 through 20 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 21 through 32.
The Chairman Chairman 32, okay. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 21 provides that an authorised undertaking shall apply appropriate measur es of identification regarding the identity of persons participating in a digital asset issuance. Clause 22 requires authorised undertakings to ensure mechanisms are in place regarding the secur ity of assets and confidentiality …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does anyone wish to speak to clauses 21 through 32? I recognise th e Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, again I am looking at rev ocation of authorisation the same way I would have looked at the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, that is the next clause. So, I will refer the Member to clause 33 which requires the Authority to giv e notice to an authorised undertaking where it proposes to restrict, vary a r estriction or revoke an authorisation. It sets out what …
The Chairman Chairman Does anyone else wish to speak? 3484 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly No? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 21 through 32 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. [Motion carried: Clauses 2 1 through 32 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 33 through 43. Clause 33 requires the Authority to give notice to an authorised undertaking where it proposes to r estrict, vary a restriction or revoke its …
The Chairman Chairman Does any Member wish to speak to clauses 33 through 43? No? Minister . Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 33 to 43 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. Agreed to . Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: Clauses 33 through 43 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 44 through 58. Clause 44 requires the Authority to give a warning notice first, followed by a decision notice, where it …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other . . . sorry. Let me just ask. Does any other Member wish t o speak? No? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, the experience requirements for those other members would have to be individuals who have digital asset experience. It could be other lawyers. They …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Does anyone else wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, sorry. The Minister indicated that they could be . . . that they will be people having digital asset experience. Given that we are sort of dealing with a rel …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman, and just for a matter of clarity for my own edification and perhaps those who are interested and excited about this legislation, because it is exci ting stuff. I just wondered, with …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I would say to that that—
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Minister . I am sorry. I did not see the gentleman. . . yes? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I would say that over the course of the last 30 months, when this area, this evolving, emerging industry has been an area of focus for the Government , that lots …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 44 through 58 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. Agreed to. Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: Clauses 44 through 58 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dick inson: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 59 through 68.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 59 makes prov ision for the Authority to give a notice of discontinuance to a person concerned if, following the issue of a warning notice, the Authority decides not to proceed with the proposed action. Clause 60 makes provision for the Authority to decide …
The Chairman Chairman Does any Member wish to speak to clauses 59 through 68? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just wanted to observe that the penalties are sufficiently punitive, and the powers of s earch are sufficiently broad …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? No? Minister . Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 59 through 68 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: Clauses 59 through 68 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 69 through 85 be moved.
The Chairman Chairman I am sorry, you said 69 through 89? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Eighty -five.
The Chairman Chairman Eighty -five, the end? Okay. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 69 creates an offence for a person who knows or suspects that an i nvestigation is likely to be carried out in certain circumstances to obstruct such an investigation. Clause 70 requires an authorised undertaking to deliver to the Authority, …
The Chairman Chairman Does any Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamp lin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just have one question, and that is in respect of clause 73. (Let me just make sure this is the right clause) In …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, to the Minister , under 79, will the Minister be aware that this may be an area in terms of the word “received” whether the legal …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, with respect to the clause 73 question, the best answer that I can give at the moment is that this is a standard provision contained inside of Acts that are part of the BMA legislative package. We can go …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? No? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that clauses 69 through 85 be appr oved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: Clauses 69 through 85 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I also move Schedules 1 through 4 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? [Schedules] 1 through 3? [Crosstalk] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I am sorry. My notes here . . . there are three Schedules; I am sorry. I move that Schedules 1, 2 and 3 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No obj ection. [Motion carried: Schedules 1 thr ough 3 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Is there any objec-tion to that motion? No objection. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. Thank you, Minister . [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Digital Asset Issuance Act 2020 was considered by a …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections to the Bill that has been reported to the House? There appear to be none. I think I am clear that all other orders have been carried over. Minister, can you do your third reading? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Deputy Speaker, there are two items …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Pardon? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Exemption Orders.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We do not know anything about t hat. We have not been informed of that. We have only been informed of one Bill. It is the one that was done. [Crosstalk]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Nobody has informed me of that. [Crosstalk] [Pause]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We will wait until Monday. We were ne ver informed. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Deputy Speaker, well, that is fine. We can do it at the next session. That is not a problem.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: We were of the . . . we were informed that all concerned parties were informed.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister , do you want to do your third reading? 3490 6 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections to the third reading? No objections. Agreed to and approved. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING DIGITAL ASSET ISSUANCE ACT 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any objections? Approved. [Motion carried: The Digital Asset Issuance Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Premier? ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that the House do now adjourn until Monday, March 9th at 10:00 am. [Gavel] The Deputy Speake r: The House stands adjourned — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Uh-uh—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker —until Monday — [Crosstalk]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is the date on Monday?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member March 9 th.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker March 9th at 10:00. You got to move quick. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I can’t move any quicker than that!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You know I’m quick. You got to be real quick when I am here. [Laughter] [At 9:4 8 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 9 March 2020.]
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