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House of Assembly Session 2019/2020 378 speeches

March 4, 2020

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Parliament spent considerable time paying tribute to Glenn "Dingback" Simmons, a well-known trade unionist and community activist who recently passed away. MPs from both sides shared personal stories about his character and dedication to social justice. The session then moved into budget discussions where the Minister of National Security presented spending plans for various security departments, highlighting the successful launch of Bermuda's Coast Guard and anti-gang violence programs that helped achieve zero gun deaths in 2019.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 4, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 22
Speeches 378

Key Topics

Budget debate for Ministry of National Security departments (Police, Defence, Customs, Fire Services, Corrections)Condolences for Glenn "Dingback" Simmons, prominent trade unionist and community figureLaunch of Bermuda's first Coast Guard as joint unit with PoliceGang Violence Reduction Team programs and their success in preventing gun deaths in 2019Disaster Risk Reduction and cybersecurity initiatives

Bills & Motions

Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020 - introduced for first reading
Budget estimates for Ministry of National Security departments - presented for committee review (Heads 83, 06, 07, 12, 25, 27, 45)

Notable Moments

Nearly all MPs spoke about Glenn Simmons, sharing touching personal stories that showed his impact across political divides
Minister revealed that 2019 had no gun violence fatalities, crediting combined efforts of police and gang violence reduction programs
Official launch of Bermuda Coast Guard announced after 40 years of planning, now operating as joint unit with Police

Debate Transcript

378 speeches from 22 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 28 February 2020]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of the 28 th of February have been circulated. Are there any objections, omissions or corrections? There are none. The Minutes will be confirme d as printed. [Minutes of 28 February 2020 confirmed.]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes of the 2nd of March have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none this morning. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker They are c arried. The Deputy Clerk: Carried over ?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. CON GRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to rise this morning to give congrats or condolences? We recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I would like for this House to send condolences to the family of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I would describe Glenn Simmons as a freedom fi ghter. If there was an injustice and there had to be a demonstration on that injustice, regardless of the union, Glenn Simmons would be amongst that crowd in his colourful attire, Mr. Speak er. He …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: He was a bus oper ator. And, Mr. Speaker, those who travel on the bus 3310 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly that Glenn Simmons drove, they could be assured that if assistance was needed, he w ould do just …
The Speaker The Speaker He played for the team from the West End. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: —because he would run the whole 90 minutes. He played for a team up the West End.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. The mighty Trojans, yes. You can get it out, the mighty Trojans. Hon. De rrick V. Burgess, Sr.: The Trojans, as the Speaker has said.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But he just ran the whole 90 minutes. And he would be a nuisance to defenders, Mr. Speaker. Glenn Simmons was one of the best golfers in this country and represented Bermuda overseas. I think it was in the Eisenhower [Trophy] . I think …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Deputy, I am sure the House will want to be associated with that as well. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like to associate the House with those r emarks. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. I recognise the Minister of Works. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I would like to be associated with those condolences as well. I used to always say about Glenn Simmons that you would hear him before you saw him.
The Speaker The Speaker Before you saw him, yes.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, we went to the same high school, and he was from the west. But, Mr. Speaker, even though I think his entire life, even if you disagreed on a subject or a matter and had a fulsome discussion, he never carried that away with him anywhere. The next …
The Speaker The Speaker You knew when he was around.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch You knew when he was around.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I think it is a sad day for the whole country, Mr. Speaker, his passing. And I look forward to being able to pay the proper respects when there is a celebration of his life. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Member Simons, you ha ve the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes. I would like to associate myself with the comments made in regard to Mr. Simmons. As the Minister of Works and Engineering said, we went to Sandys together. He was a character there; he was a character in life and in public life. As the Minister said, you always …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Simons.
Mr. Opposition Leader. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier opposition leader Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would certainly like to echo the sentiments and the condolences to the family of Glenn , whom I also had the opportunity of getting to know fairly well. We have heard a lot this morning maybe about his being a character. But I think …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I would also like to give congratulations to . . . I had the opportunity to go to the Motown show up at Southampton Princess. I am not sure how many Members of Parliament have had the opportunity. But my goodness! The talent in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member Hayward. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Jason Hayward Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Jason Hayward I would also like to be associa ted with the comments for the condolences to the friends and family of my brother , Glenn Simmons. Glenn was what we considered to be a social justice warrior. He had a deep lov e for his community. Every single time that we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Hayward. I recognise the Honourable Member Dunkley. You have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to colleagues. I would just like to follow on and be associated with the condolences to the family of Mr. Glenn Simmons. And I had …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Dunkley. Would any other Member like to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences sent to the family of Glenn Simmons. I must say that as it relates …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Gordon-Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was probably some 55 or so years ago when I was first introduced to Glenn as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Mrs. Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the comments for Glenn Simmons as well. Mr. Speaker, if the man told me 10 times, he commented about som ething in St. George’s 10 times. Most of the time it was about my poorly playing cricket team and …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, everybody comments about how poorly they play, yes.
Mrs. Renee Ming But he would be sure to remind me about something about St. George’s. Because he got around a lot, he sometimes would send me messages abou t something in St. George’s that either needed to be fixed or improved, or a suggestion that he had. And one day he sent …
The Speaker The Speaker Tsk-tsk-tsk, not this year.
Mrs. Renee Ming —I can, you know, reassure him that we came out of our slump.
The Speaker The Speaker Not this year. Nope.
Mrs. Renee Ming Okay? Mr. Speaker, I would also like to take this time to extend condolences to the family of Glennda Anderson, especially her daughters , Tiffany and Tamisha. And to—
The Speaker The Speaker The Deputy would like to be associa ted.
Mrs. Renee Ming Oh. I would like to associate the Deputy Speaker [sic] with those comments.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier.
Mrs. Renee Ming Deputy Leader. Oh, I am sorry. The Deputy Premier. (Sorry) And also to the family of Sharon Wales, from Cut Road, St. George’s. That was definitely a shock for us St. Georgians. But we ass ociate MP Tyrrell with t hose comments. We keep her and her family in our …
The Speaker The Speaker You found the number. Yes.
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes. She is a Youth Parliament Member.
Mrs. Renee Ming And I look forward to what her f uture holds. I would like to associate MP Lawrence Scott with those comments as well, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Mr. Famous, it looks like you would like to contribute.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if it was mentioned already, but I would like to give condolences to the friends and family of Ms. Keita Wilson. She was Campaign Manager for MP Tinee Furbert, and she was a PLP stalwart. She was a young lady who …
Mr. Christopher Famous Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Minister of Finance. Mini ster, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, thank you for your indulgence. I would like to be associated with the comments by colleagues for Glenn Simmons, “Ding-back” …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. FIRST READING MISCELLANEOUS TAXES AMENDMENT ACT 2020
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the follow Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: Miscellaneous Taxes Amendment Act 2020.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, and members of the general public who are listening in, we are here to continue the annual Budget Debate. And at this time we will resume in Committee for the debate to proceed. And is standard for this process, the Speaker is out of the House for the rest …
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2020/21.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objection. Deputy Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will be Ms. Susan Jackson. You will lead the first session. Thank you. House in Committee at 10:3 6 am [Ms. Susan E. Jackson, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, good morning. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expend iture for the year 2020/21. We are going to hear the Heads 83, 06, 07, 12, 25, 27 and 45. They are now all to be debated. I call …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. HEAD 6 —DEFENCE Hon. Wayne Caines: Madam Chairman, Head 6 comprises the Defence Department, the Royal Bermuda Regiment (or the RBR for short). The Regiment’s role is to provide a capable and adaptable force across a spectrum of duties. The Royal Bermuda Regiment performs a number of irr eplaceable …
The Chairman Chairman I will just remind the listening public that we are now just listening to the heads for the N ational Defence. And we are covering all of the Ministry of National Security, which is Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, 27 and 45. We are presently on Head 7, Police. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. That concludes the brief on National Security. We will now take a recess and come back and conti nue the debate in the National Security Ministry. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Madam Chairman, I move that we now adjourn for lunch.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. We will now adjourn for lunch and return at 2:00 pm. Proceedings suspended at 12:3 3 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm [Ms. Leah K. Scott, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 MINISTRY OF NATIONAL SECURITY [Continuation thereof] 3336 4 March 2020 …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 31, Ben Smith. You have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Good afternoon, Madam Chairman. The Ch airman: Good afternoon.
Mr. Ben Smith First, I would like to thank the Minister for the information that he presented this morning. Obviously, the Ministry of National Security is an extremely important Ministry, it covers so many different areas, specif ically a lot of the service areas. The pr otection of our citizens, the overall feeling …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Ben Smith I am actually going to start on page B-281 under 16005, Recruitment. The Minister mentioned that there was a total number of soldiers that would be necessary to have a full complement in the Defence Department, but he also mentioned that we actually have a number presently that is significantly …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak to this Head 6? No other Member. Minister, do you want to address his questions? You want to go . . . okay. Member, do you want to go to the next Head?
Mr. Ben Smith I was looking for the answers before I move on so that potentially there are going to be more questions on this based off of the answers that I am going to receive.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Minister? Hon. Wayne Caines: We should just prepare to a nswer those all at the end when we have all of the technical officers there. They are in the back. The Regiment officer is not here to answer those questions, so we are just going to ask to proceed …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I see two Mem bers standing. I think I would like to recognise the Honour able Jeanne Atherden from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Right.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am following up on what my colleague has asked in terms of page B -284. You are talking about the percentage of soldiers who passed their military standard test and I know that it was . . . originally it was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Bermuda House of Assembly Is there any other Member that would like to speak? Member from constituency 31, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith So, before I move on to Head 7, P olice, I would just like to say thank you to all the people within the Bermuda Regiment. A lot of times we do not really give a lot of praise to the Regiment until we need them —when a hurricane happens …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member.
Mr. Ben Smith So, moving onto Head 7 for Police. Over the last several years there has been a significant change in what is expected from the Police because of the changes in our society. With the i ncrease in gangs and gang activity, obviously, the Mi nister has come to the House …
The Chairman Chairman What number [was that], Member? 3340 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: [Business unit] 17120.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, thank you.
Mr. Ben Smith Sorry, that is not the right one. Yes, 17120, correct, Marine Policing. So, with the introduction of the Coast Guard, obviously there is potentially going to be an impact on the policing that is done by the Marine police. So, what impact is that having on the Marine police unit? …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak to Head 7, Police? I recognise the Member from constituency 23, Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I am hoping that . . . I was sort of in transit, and I am hoping the Mi nister has not covered the specific question that I am going to refer to. If …
The Chairman Chairman Yes? Hon. Wayne Caines: The questions were asked by the Deputy Speaker of the House with r eference to— and please let me know if am not answering them correctly —with reference to sick days, suspensions, people that were on leave, people that were out on gardening leave, all the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member? Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. G ordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I think that . . . and I thank the Minister for that, because I was unaware of what the responses were. I did know that there were some questions …
The Chairman Chairman Member, I understand that they are contained in the minutes of February 28 th. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I will definitely have a look, because I do remember the Speaker . . . I think the questions were actually still on the Order Paper and the Speaker did specifically …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So, I think that is just [an important point] to be made. I also want to go to Defence, and that is on page B -284. No, let me just stay on Police first. And that is in respect of . . . and …
The Chairman Chairman Could I ask MP Rolfe Commissiong if he could come, please? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Also, there is one other question that I have. What happens to retired weapons in the service? I think it is important to find out because I think that we have had information fairly …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak to Head 7, Police? I recognise the Member from constituency 19, Jeanne Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you. And if the Minister will grant me the latitude since my colleague went back to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Meaningful. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Right. Thank you, Mr. Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who wi shes to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 31, the Shadow Minister of National Security, Ben Smith. You have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just finishing out on the Police, still on Head 7, I just have a question when it comes to the emplo yee numbers. So, on page B -288, is the Minister able to provide to us the number of, I guess the average number of, retirees …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minist er.
Mr. Ben Smith So, I am going to move on to Head 25, the Department of Corrections. And I am just going to start with a question on page B -294, 35000, Headquarters. I just wonder if the Minister can give us some details on exactly what that particula r group does within …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak to Head 25, Department of Corrections? I recognise the Member f rom— Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thirty -six, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman —[constituency] 36. MP Michael Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Madam Chairman, under 2505, Inmate Services, which has been just discussed by Mr. Smith —
The Chairman Chairman What page, Member? I am sorry. Hon. Michael J. Scott: [Page] B -294, Inmate Services. I suppose all of the services from 35105. I suppose that a debate . . . and, as the Honourable Member Smith has sought to make and put questions to Minister Caines ab out the …
The Chairman Chairman Member, what particular line item are you on? Hon. Michael J. Scott: I am still on [2505], Inmate Services, and the Performance Measures on page B - 296. These projected numbers of inmates in our country in incarceration facilities have been at the 200 level. I have seen it. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member, for your contr ibution. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak? I recognise the Honourable Patricia GordonPamplin from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just had a quick question in respect of page B -295 on …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who wis hes to speak to Head 25, Department of Corrections? Just one second, Member. Minister, we have an hour and 25 minutes left, I believe, in this debate, and you do have several questions that have been asked. Would you like to start to …
The Chairman Chairman —all the way? All right. Thank you. Is there any other Member that wishes to speak to Head 25? I recognise the Shadow Minister of National Security from constituency 31. Mr. Ben Smith, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. On page B -295 I just have a couple of questions for the Minister i n the . . . there are multiple facil ities available within prisons and we have the emplo yee numbers. Is he able to provide us with the numbers of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak to Head 25, Department of Corrections? No other Member. Minis ter?
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Shadow Minister of National Security, Ben Smith, constituency 31.
Mr. Ben Smith Madam Chairman, mindful of the time, I am going to speak to Fire now. And then, I am going to try to be as brief as possible because there have been a lot of questions that have been asked and I want to give the Minister time to be able …
The Chairman Chairman I am sorry, Member, what line item?
Mr. Ben Smith We are on page B -302 and it is 55150.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, sorry.
Mr. Ben Smith So, you end up with a situation where everybody came in in the same recruiting class. So, they are all going to reach their retirement around the same time, depending on whether they decide to stay in or they are only going to do their minimum requir ement. So, my …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there any other Member that wishes to speak to Head 45, Fire Services? No other Member. Minister, would y ou like to address the questions? Hon. Wayne Caines: Are there any more?
The Chairman Chairman No. [Crosstalk] Hon. Wayne Caines: I just want to deal with the . . . Madam Chairman, I am just going to through the questions as they were asked. The question that was asked by the Shadow Minister was: Is there any way for us to improve the recruitment process …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I recognise the Honourable Pat Gordon- Pamplin. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Just in respect to the Minister’s response that he has just given, we only have a 75 per cent against the 420 targeted outcomes . So, notwithstanding that people are eligible to …
Mr. Ben Smith Point of clarification.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Shadow Minister of National Security. MP Ben Smith, you have the floor. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Ben Smith I would agre e with what the Minister is saying. I guess to be more specific on what I am saying is that during conscription there were people that were trying to run from conscription, people that would never be in the Regiment. And what I mean by that is …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne Caines: If you do an overseas camp for a year, you are dealing with a soldier that is having three years and two months. And if a second- year soldier goes away to the camp and he is doing all the training for HADR (Humanitarian [Assistance] and …
Mr. Ben Smith Point of clarification. So, speaking specifically to what you just said, that was the crux of my question. Because, obviously, the police of ficers have a different contract for how they get paid. The Regiment officers do not have overtime; a completely different contract. When you bring them together and …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair acknowledges — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Sorry. I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Mrs. Pat Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Go rdon -Pamplin: Thank you. If the Minister does not have the individual component parts that go into it, how are we determi ning that 65 per cent has been the attained standard and it is …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne Cai nes: I beg your pardon. I missed it.
The Chairman Chairman Can you repeat that for the benefit of the Minister? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. If we don’t have the individual bits to say what comprises the whole, how are we satisfying ourselves that the r evised forecast of 65 per cent is the appr opriate con glomerate number, …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Question: What is the percentage of soldiers who pass overseas training? [Answer:] All soldiers are required to pass the prerequisites and standards before attending overseas training. A higher standard is used before deploying on overseas oper ations. Can the Minister advise what is being …
The Chairman Chairman Member from constituency 23, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to make sure that I understand. Aft er decommissioning of a weapon, is there something that says that they are held in a s ecure area? Or are …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: I will feel comfortable to say that there is a secure process for doing so. I believe there are certain matters of national security and I believe this is one of them. I would feel safe to say that there is an outlined plan that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: What are we doing about r etaining soldiers? [Answer:] Retention is high. The training model has been redesigned t o be more flex ible, to meet personal commitment, to meet the current personnel. The auxiliary has been implemented to retain recently retired …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And has grey hair. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne Caines: And will shave up nice and will put some “Miss Clairol” in his hair.
The Chairman Chairman Order. Member, pleas e do not bring the House into disrepute. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne Caines: He can come out and we believe that the Auxiliary is an excellent opportunity to take older soldiers who still have their skills and use Bermuda House of Assembly the Auxiliary a couple of weekends, …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. Thank you. Hon. Wayne Caines: Is the Royal Bermuda Regiment at appropriate strength? [Answer:] The Royal Berm uda Regiment currently does not meet the traditional number required for large and enduring national emergencies, and it has been taking on risk versus the likelihood. However, the Royal Bermuda …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne Caines: What we are looking at now is, the challenge . . . they are saying that there is a cha llenge with the numbers and so the commandi ng officer is saying that we are about 100 soldiers beneath strength. But the good news is that …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Those questions, Mr. Chairman, were answered in the Regiment part of this. Question: Provide the details on how many vehicles there are for the police. Has any analysis been done on the vehicles that the Bermuda Police Service buy? One hundred and fifty thousand …
The Chairman Chairman Good. And we are dealing with Heads under Natio nal Security. There are five hours allocated for this debate. Minister Caines is on the floor. We are dealing with Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, and 45. And this debate will go through until five minutes past the hour of …
The Chairman Chairman National Security, Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, and 45. Five hour s were allocated for this debate. Minister Caines has the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: [There has been] $150,000 set aside for vehicles. I was asked, Can I indicate the number of vehicles and what will I buy and …
The Chairman Chairman We are on National Security, Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, and 45. There are five hours for this debate. We are moving into the last half hour of this debate. Does any other Member have any other questions while the Minister is preparing these last tranc hes of questions? …
The Chairman Chairman Which one of the Head would that — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This was on both the fire service, it was asked for, as well as the [Bermuda] Police Service in terms of sending officers in to areas with the advent of this coronavirus. I am just wondering whether …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Honourable Member from constituency 31, Southampton, go ahead.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just following along with two questions in Corrections (before we start to get the answers from Corrections ). One, there were two fentanyl overdoses that happened in the prison. I am wondering if the Mini ster— Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Chairman, with the greatest respect we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Okay. Honourable Member, any further questions under these Heads?
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, also in the Corrections, if the Minister can let us know whether the prison officers were actually in attendance with the meeting that he had with the prisoners when he was there two weeks ago during his visit.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you want to resume your— Hon. Wayne Caines: First things first, there is no way I could be in the prison and meet with inmates without officers present. But let me be clear, over the last few years, over the last year there ha s been an impasse …
The Chairman Chairman Address th e Chair. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Clarification? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I just wanted clar ity. The Minister just indicated about health insurance, that we do not have health insurance for the inmates and that they have to pay it out of pocket. The ques-tion that I was asking was on page B -295 with …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We are dealing with Head 25 with that question. This debate will go through to 5:05, it is now . . . 4:45, so we have 20 minutes remaining. Minister Caines has the floor. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 19. Mrs. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. And we are dealing with N ational Security, Head 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, 45. The Minister is running down the aisle proving that he is fit to go in the Regiment under the Auxiliary services. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
The Chairman Chairman Continue on. Hon. Wayne Caines: The shift change with reference to Customs has already taken place. At night there is the flight that comes in from Miami. There is a flight that comes in from New York. There is a JetBlue flight that comes in. There is a flight from …
The Chairman Chairman That was under Corrections, yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: Yes, sir.
The Chairman Chairman The $300,000, yes. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Chairman, we are waiting for some more [answers] for Customs. We have not received the [answers] yet for the Customs Depar tment.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Under National Security, Member from constituency 19, would you like to— Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Just another question u nder Customs. There was an indi cation from the Mini ster that you had a new export control initiative. Is it possible to clarify that?
The Chairman Chairman Minister Burch, you have the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I know you do not want to hear from me. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman We are dealing with National Secur ity. We have another 15 minutes remaining under this Head. Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, 45. Member from constituency 23, would you . . . You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairm an, in respect …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: The computer system at the airport on the arrivals when you come in and you go to . . . that is actually the Immigration system. That is actually Immigration. But so that we . . . and we will do Immigration …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Sir. For my last tranche of questions, Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: As we wind quite quickly to the four o’clock hour —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Five o’clock. Hon. Wayne Caines: Five o’clock. Great Scott!
The Chairman Chairman This debate goes to . . . 5:10? [Crosstalk ] The Clerk: [To] 5:04. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman To 5: 04, I am reliably advised. Hon. Wayne Caines: It is 5:06 for an alpha [male,]
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Okay. Hon. Wayne Caines: Question: On persons retiring from the Bermuda Fire and Rescue Service [BFRS]. [Answer:] Retirements are planned and proj ected in advance. The Bermuda Fire [and Rescue] Service is minimally staffed. Question: How are promotions done? Answer: Succession planning is the chief fire officer’s major focus. Question …
The Chairman Chairman We will make an invitation. Does any other Member care to speak to these Heads? Member Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I have a question on the whole range. If you go back to police, which is . . . Head 7. The Minister indicated that there was going to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. We have four minutes remai ning. Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have two quick questions. One is under police. So, as the Minister was just talking about all the different savings, he also said earlier that the surge by the police actually cost $250,000 over a short period of time. Once we go back to normal …
The Chairman Chairman Address the Chair. Member, do you want to rephrase your question? POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Ben Smith A point of clarification. Earlier, when the Minister responded to my question the first time he said there was no charge. So the reason I am asking the question again is, if you take an ambulance run by the fire service, from St. George’s, is there not going to be …
The Chairman Chairman All right. With three minutes to go . . . Member, [constituency 23] you have . . . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, while the Minister is getting the responses that he is waiting for, I just had one really quick question in respect …
The Chairman Chairman With a minute and a half left, Minister, you have a minute and a half left at your discretion. Hon. Wayne Caines: Speaking with the chief fire officer, he shared that the MOU for the fire service and the ambulance is with the hospital. They do not have a revenue …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. With your last minute. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Chairman, I would like to take the time to thank . . . as has been said by the Shadow Minister, I would like to thank all of the people within our ministries who go to work every day in ar-duous …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would you like to move the Heads? Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Chairman, I move Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, 45 be approved as printed. The C hairman: It has been moved that Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25 and 45 be approved as printed. Any errata? …
The Chairman Chairman As printed. Are there any objections? No objections. [Gavel] Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [Motion carried: The Ministry of National Security, Heads 83, 6, 7, 12, 25, and 45 stand part of the Est i-mates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21.]
The Chairman Chairman That concludes the debate on N ational Security. We will move into Transport, Heads 30, 34, and 35. We call on the Minister for Transport and Tourism, the Honourable Zane De Silva. Minister, you have the floor. Would you like to move those Heads? MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND TRANSPORT Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 30, 34, and 35 be taken under con sideration. Any objections? No objections. Minister, continue on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Heads 30, 34, and 35 of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will now move on to the Department of Transport Control, Head 34.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. HEAD 34 —DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT CONTROL Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the budget for Head 34, the Transport Control Department (TCD), can be found on pages B -210 through B -213 of the Budget Book. Mission Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, continue on, Minister. [Next is Head 35]. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Chairman, that is correct. Department of Public Transportation, Head 35 is next. HEAD 35 —DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, I would like to present the budget for …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairm an. Mission Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, the Depar tment of Public Transportation’s Mission is: Moving Bermuda with a quality public bus service. Expenditure Overview Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, the total …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, sir.
The Chairman Chairman I am minded on those tours that Glenn Simmons, who passed away yesterday, was one of those bus operators who provided tremendous 3370 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly service to our v isitors. I just wanted to make mention of that as that has been …
The Chairman Chairman Amen. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And we will talk about that more because you and I were doing something else this morning. And we will talk about that more on Fr iday, I am sure. Bus Operations Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, the current scheduled …
The Chairman Chairman Amen! I like that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, sir! The automated bus washer is past its useful service life. This will be replaced with a modern sy stem capable of washing the buses and large comme rcial vehicles. Manpower Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would any Honourable Member like to speak to Heads 30, 34, and 35? I recognise the Deputy Opposition Leader. Ms. Scott, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman And this debate goes until 8:04.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I would first of all join the Minister in offering condolences to [the family of] Glenn “Dingback” Simmons. I also offer condolences to my par3372 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly liamentary colleague, Pat Gordon- Pamplin, because he is a relative of hers. I would like …
The Chairman Chairman Head 34?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Head 34, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Transport Control.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, Transport Control Depar tment, Head 34.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you. So I am going t o start on page B -210, starting with 3401, General, 44000, Examination . . . no, sorry, I do not want to do Examination. I want to do 44090, Road Safety. It was a goal of the department to have Pr oject Ride …
Ms. Leah K. Scott It has gone from 572 to zero. And I want to know whether it has been shifted to som e-where else, or have positions been eliminated? And then under . . . well, your grants and contributions just increased. The Training budget has been reduced from 100 to 97; I …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Page B -213.
The Chairman Chairman B-213.
Ms. Leah K. Scott B-213. My question is the same. Why is the target not 100 per cent subject to any ci rcumstances beyond, you know, control? The Minister did not mention . . . No, wait, sorry. That is for public transportation. Now, Mr. Chairman, under . . . I am going to …
The Chairman Chairman You are still on Transport Control?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes. I am still on Transport Control. I am not sure where I would do this. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman And for the listening public, we are doing Heads 30, 34 and 35 under the Ministry of Transport. There are three hours for this debate, which concludes at 8:04.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Right. So, Mr. Chairman, I am going to do this under 44210 —sorry, page B -210, [heading] 3401, [cost unit] 44210, Administration. 3374 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Some of the goals of the Transport Depar tment as identified in the White Paper were for …
The Chairman Chairman What line are you talking to on that point?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sorry, cost centre 44210 under Administration.
The Chairman Chairman What page?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Oh, sorry, page B -210.
The Chairman Chairman B-210, yes.
Ms. Leah K. Scott [Heading] 3401.
Ms. Leah K. Scott [Cost centre] 44210, Administr ation. Took me off my thing. Took me right off my thing, I tell you. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman No, you have got to talk to the lines, the uni t number — [Crosstalk]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, yes, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Because you cannot just get up and start off. This is Budget Debate, not a general discussion.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, Mr. Chairman. I got you. Okay. I think that is all I have for Transport Control.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Page B -214.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, got it.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Head 35, Public Transportation. Under Administration, 3503, [cost centre] 45120, there was some consideration being given to having the possibility of a dedicated school bus system for our children, which would probably assist with the bus runs. And I would like to know whether or not that is still something …
The Chairman Chairman Actually, that will come under heading 3501, Transportation. Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Leah K. Scott: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman If you want to question that.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. I will question that under 3501, Transportation; thank you. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Yep. Continue.
Ms. Leah K. Scott So, yes, I would like to know where we are with that project and whether or not the Minister can provide us with an update on that one. On page B -215—
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Under Insurance, I see the Insurance has gone from 160 to 200. And I would be interested to know why there has been an increase.
The Chairman Chairman There is no increase. The original was—
Ms. Leah K. Scott The revised was —
The Chairman Chairman The revised is . . . sometimes it is not even complete. You have got to go from the original to the estimate.
The Chairman Chairman Revised is still, could be still in . . . Because March 31 st is not here yet.
The Chairman Chairman So there is no increase in that. If you look to the side, there is no difference.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Zero. You are right. Okay. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Leah K. Scott What, the 200? That is the est imated. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman You have the original. The budget, the original budget for 2019, those are the figures we go from. If you look, if you compare them to the difference—
Ms. Leah K. Scott It is 200.
The Chairman Chairman —that is the base right there. Not the revised figure. Ms. Leah K. Scott: Right here, here. He is right. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman When I am in the Chair that is the way it goes. [Laughter]
Ms. Leah K. Scott That is right, that is right. The Cha irman: That is the proper way. Yes. The r evised can go over or under.
The Chairman Chairman All right.
Ms. Leah K. Scott So, page B -217— [Crosstalk]
Ms. Leah K. Scott I was at the wrong line.
The Chairman Chairman That is subject to change.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Page B -217, under business unit 45120, Administration. The number of critical vacancies has gone to zero. The target outcome is zero. Does that mean that there is a full complement and so there is no need to fill those vacancies? And I think that is the end of my …
The Chairman Chairman That’s it?
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Would any other Honourable Members like to speak? The Chair recognises the Leader of the O pposition, Mr. Cannonier . Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On page B -205 under Head 30, Marine and Ports.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Just taking a look, I was just curious as to under 8181, Lighthouse Fees, there is zero there. Is there any intent to get back to char ging fees for the lighthouse? It has always been —
The Chairman Chairman She just brought that question up. 3376 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, you asked the question already?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, okay. Thank you. All right. And then as we go down to 8185, Pilotage Fees. I am just curious. On the actual amount that came in for 2018/19, it was $1,084,000. And for the year forecasted of 2019/20, we forecasted like, looks like approximately …
The Chairman Chairman You are talking about a unit that we are not discussing. Now, if you want to talk about 2019/20, fine. But you are going back 2018/19. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: What I am getting to . . . I have not finished the question yet. If you would let me …
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: What I am getting to is that—
The Chairman Chairman Hang on. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Excuse me? I am saying what I am getting to.
The Chairman Chairman No, no. Hang on. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Pardon me?
The Chairman Chairman We let you finish the question first? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I want to finish the question. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Please do not take that attitu de with me! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am not taking an attitude!
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Let us get it right. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am trying to do a complete question so that you can get the fullness of what I am asking.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And you will not be able to get that unless I ask the full question. So if you take a look at the revised amount, so it looks like we are back on pace to the actual amount from before. And then if you …
The Chairman Chairman You want to know the difference, why it is that high? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Well, behind the numbers is the thinking. So if you are thinking that you are going to be $231,000, that is quite a bit. It would not be a whole lot if we were talking …
The Chairman Chairman [Heading] 8185. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, eight -one-eight -five. So that is what I am trying to get at here and trying to understand that , because if you look at the difference between the original amount and the estimate amount, it is even more than $231,000.
The Chairman Chairman It is $305,000. That is the difference. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Yes, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Any further questions, anyone? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh. I will go through the other —
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman That is all right. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Also, on page B -209, u nder Performance Measures, Head 30, it says regularise . . . let us see. Business unit 40150, it is second one.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Then go dow n one, two, three.
The Chairman Chairman Hang on, Mr. Cannonier. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, sorry.
The Chairman Chairman You said page B -209. Page B -209 has only got four . . . six. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Page B -209?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Page B -208.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -208? Okay. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Two-zero-eight. Yes, B - 208.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Page B -208 (my apol ogies). Regularise all unlicensed in- water boats. It is discontinued. And I get that. But one of the parts that I guess I continue— [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Business unit number. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Business unit 40150.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [That is] 40150? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. I notice that we still, and it has been a challenge certainly for the department, I know because I know that the Public Works in the past has tried to help out in this area where you have so many boats that …
The Chairman Chairman And your Deputy, she asked about that, the Shadow? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: You asked about the abandoned boats]?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Unregistered moorings by y ear end? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: She did not ask about abandoned boats, though.
The Chairman Chairman She asked about . . . in the abandoned boats? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. She did not say anything about the abandoned . . . I am asking, there are a lot of abandoned boats, recognising that these boats are also not licensed —they are unlicensed —have we come …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member About five of them down at Coot Pond. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Well, this is what she asked. Well, she was in that same line, remove illegal unregistered moorings. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, that is the moorings. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, that is the moorings. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That is the moorings.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: We are talking about the actual boats.
The Chairman Chairman But then the boats, regularised or unlicensed boats, discontinued. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So I will move on. Again, over on page—
The Chairman Chairman So, well, what? Do you want to know if they are discontinued? Because in here it has got discontinued regularised or unlicensed. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I was just trying to understand if we have made some agreement or come to some way of being able to deal with these …
The Chairman Chairman There is no difference in that figure. It is the same from the original in 2019/20 — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman It is $3,250,00 0 and the same thing for 2020/21. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. That is what we are anticipating.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Behind the numbers is some thinking behind why we believe we are going to do $3 million. There is an increase for the original of 2019/20 from 2018/19. Then if we go to an increase from that, 2019/20 to 2020/21, they are saying about the …
The Chairman Chairman I am also seeing $ 510,000. Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Two-fifty, seven -forty. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, I used the 2734.
The Chairman Chairman Well, that is —we are not debating that here. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am just saying that is how I came to thi s.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, well, we are not debating that yet.
Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my question is in respect of the Transport Control Department. And I am looking at page B -210 in respect of Traffic Control, and business unit 44110 under programme 3401. And the amount of estimate is $584,000, which is $46,000 less for the coming …
The Chairman Chairman What is your question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: My question is, have we looked at revamping or revisiting the pract icality of the charges that we have on thre e-day pas ses or even the single- day pass, because they are not really realistic in terms of what people …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And are we being fair to passengers in that respect? The other question that I have is on page B - 213. And that is in respect of —
The Chairman Chairman Page B -213? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: B-213, also Transport Control Department.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And this is on Output Measures for business unit 44000 for Exam inations. And the first item there, which they expect to achieve, is to provide a driving test appointment within 10 business days of requested date. The target is 90 per cent of …
The Chairman Chairman Right.
The Chairman Chairman The other question that I have is . . . I will have to look for where that question is. I think my honourable colleague asked the other question that I wanted to ask on Marine and Ports.
The Chairman Chairman Take your time. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So I will not r epeat that. But on some of the . . . oh, I know. I did have a question, and that was . . . maybe I will wait for the answers , because my question was in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordo n-Pamplin: So I am just wondering. If we are not looking to try and ensure that e ither the moorings are registered by the specific deadline, if there is some . . . I mean, 90 per cent may be a good number to reach. …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member, Ms. Atherden. You have the floor, Ms. Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question relates to Head 34, the Transport Control Department, on page B -210. I think the Mini ster indicated that the vehicle …
The Chairman Chairman Heavy smoke? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Smoke, exactly. So my question first of all is, Are they being tested, are the vehicles being tested for emissions? And are they passing or failing? And also, when the examinations are taking place, in terms of the random examinations, will they, if they …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any further questions?
Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Yes. Thank you. The way you put it, Mr. Chairman, it is like, Ms. Go rdon-Pamplin, you know you have another question, right? Yes. I did say I had a couple more questions. And I have just been able to see them. And this is in respect of Public Transportation. …
The Chairman Chairman Where are you reading from? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Page B -217 at the top of the page, business unit 45010, under Bus O perations, at the top of page B -217, Performance Measures.
The Chairman Chairman That i s right. My apologies. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. No worries. And the question is, to achieve a target of fewer than three staff complaints per month, and that has been discontinued. And it looks like it has been discontinued for the year before and the year …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Any further speakers? Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That was a lot of questions, and I will do my best to try and t ick every box that I can. The Honourable Member, Shadow Minister Scott, had asked a …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise Honourable Member Gordon-Pamplin. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, just a quick question in respect of the Minister’ s answer that he has just given. Is it intended that the minibuses, either for the use of schools or maybe even by the use that …
The Chairman Chairman Wow. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, I can assure you to remove some of these boats, to get to them and the difficulty in sort of floating them and lifting them and picking them up and putting them on the barge, and then they have got to be …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Honourable Member,
Ms. Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Ath erden Point of clarification for the Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: If they pass or fail, then I guess the question is, How is it that you can have cars and bikes on the road and you are behind them, and [because of] what is coming out of …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have the ultimate question for the Minister. What is the status of the bus schedules? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, that is an easy one. The status of the bus schedule will remain the same until we get more buses. I am not …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Are we done then? Yes. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 30, 34 and 35 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 30, 34 and 35 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. 3384 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: The Ministry of Tourism and Transport Heads 30, 34 and 35 were approved and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any objection to the Heads 30, 34 and 35? Any objections to them being approved? No objection. Approved. Minister, can you . . . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so it may be placed —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, no. No. You have got to report, rise and report progress. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. I got it, I got it, I got it. Mr. De puty Speaker, I move that the House . . .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Move that the Committee rise and report progress. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I did say that when I fi nished.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I said that when I finished.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Not when I’ve been here. It is right here. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh. Okay.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, okay. Just . . . [Pause]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, you are right, Zane. I am sorry. You are right. Absolutely you are right. My apologies. Order No. 2.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Carried over.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Carried over? I think we are doing the Land Valuation, is it, Minister?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I believe that is the only thing we are doing. Orders [No.] 2 and 3 are being carried over, and 5 and 6.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Continue. BILL SECOND READING LAND VALUATION AND TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2020
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you , Mr. Deputy Speaker. I move that the Bill entitled the Land Valuation and Tax Amendment Act 2020 be now read the second time. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Bill entitled the Land Valuation and Tax Amendment Act 2020 seeks to amend the Land Valuation and Tax Act 1967 …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Is there any objection? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Certainly, this is a bit of a [housekeeping] matter in ensuring that we have as much transparency as possible. So there is no objecti on to this in any way or form. I am not sure …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are no objections to the second reading.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fix your microphone.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I move that the House do now resolve itself into Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Bill. Mr. Swan, do you w ant to come forward? House in Committee at 7 :00 pm [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL LAND VALUATION AND TAX AMENDMENT …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we are in the Committee of the whole [House] to consider the Land Valuation and Tax Amendment Act 2020 under the Minister for Public Works. Minister, you have the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I would move both clauses, clauses 1 and 2. The Bill seeks to amend the Land Valuation and Tax Act 1967 to pr ovide a procedure for addressing a conflict of interest by a member of the Land Valuation Appeal Tribunal. Clause 1 is the citation. This act …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman The Minister has moved and addressed the clauses. Does any other Member care to speak? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, just a question. Clause 2, subsection (b) not to take part in any or any further discussions. I was just curious with the Tribunal, I am assuming it is three …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, there are . . . I cannot remember the exact number, but there are like six or seven people appointed, so only three of them actually meet on any particular issue. So, there is always going to be three people. In other words, if one person is abroad, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member care to speak to clauses 1 and 2? Minister. 3386 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: Mr. Chairman, then I move that clause 1 and 2 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It is so moved that clauses 1 and 2 be approved. Is there any objection? No objection. Thank you, Minister. [ Motion carried: Clauses 1 and 2 passed.]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the pr eamble be approved. The Chairm an: It is so moved that the preamble be approved. No objections. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It is so moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. No objecti ons. [ Motion carried: T he Land Valuation and Tax Amen dment Act 2020 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment .] House resumed at 7:04 [ Hon. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections to the motion? There appear to be none. Any . . . Premier? Deputy? No, I am sorry, Mr. Minister. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, M r. Deputy Speaker. I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled Land Valuation and Tax Amendment Act 2020 be now read the third time by its title only.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [ Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING LAND VALUATION AND TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2020
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and pass ed.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No objections? It is now passed. [ Motion carried: T he Land Valuation and Tax Amen dment Act 2020 was read a third time and passed.]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Deputy Premier, I think that is the end of the order of business. ADJOUR NMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I do move that we adjourn until Friday, March 6th at 10:00 a.m.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The House stands adjourned . . . we have one speaker, Mr. Tyrrell. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Mr . Neville S. Tyrrell: Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I came to this House for the second time this week with a bit of a heavy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell So, I c ould not really bring myself to speak on that stupid comment made by Mr. Tony Brannon. However, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am compelled to speak today, having had feedback from some of my constituents. I will try not to be long, in fact, I will not be …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell —a nd I will try to not rehash much of what has already been said in condemning Mr. Brannon’s use of that messy term describing us elected officials—M embers of this Honourable House—a s cockroaches and all because, as he states, we are not giving his friend PRC. Bermuda House …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Rolfe Patton Commissiong. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mr. Rolfe Commiss iong Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I too, was unavailable the other night. Both MP Tyrrell and myself were, and still are, dealing with the loss of two women very close to us, our mothers.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong And so, I was in the dark as to what had occurred here with the comments by Mr. Brannon. That only became more clear [to me] as the weekend sort of ran its course by Saturday and Sunday, when I finally took some time jus t to look at what …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Bannon was with Mr. Trump.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, okay, thank you. So, she wrote, “ 1Well, not right now,” (in r esponding to someone.) “. . . you black people may think you run this island. Trust me, your stupidity is laughable. Just because you went into the bushes and came out with your inbred children ‘to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Brannon. 1 Royal Ga zette , 30 June 2017 3388 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Rolfe Commissiong: Mr. Brannon! Same thing! Bannon is from Trump’s campaign and Brannon is in Bermuda. The same mentality. I am glad you brought that up, because there is …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Well, I prefaced by saying that, or I alluded to t hat. Let him go and find the proper path and deconstruct and detoxify again from that image he has in his mind and attitudes toward white supremacy and black inferiority. And the bottom line is (and I am going …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, my mother passed away, as we all know here. And I am deeply appreciative of the expressions of condolence and the great memories that were conveyed to me by yourself, Mr. Speaker and everyone over the last few days. But I think I said something like that in …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, they had me in the white Fairylands, Tucker’s Town section with the rest of the white babies! [Laughter and inaudible interjection
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong As my learned colleague here says, I had white privilege for a couple of hours. It was so quiet t here, you know. [Laughter and desk thumping]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Oh, Lord! No, but all jokes aside, my mother said to this day that the little . . . what she thought was an inno-cent question from the white [mother] there, who happened to be the mother of one of the top doctor/surgeons at the hospital (I am not going …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And you cried, didn’t you?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong That’s right and now I proudly represent Mi ddletown. But that is the Bermuda that I was born into, in 1957. Two years later, though, my mother, my father and countless other Bermudians, both those in the Progressive group and those who were out there like Kingsley Tweed and all …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tony Brannon.
Mr. Rolfe Commissio ng Tony Brannon graphically illustrates that the work, so much of it still [needs] to be done. He actually provides us with more evidence for what they are still in denial about, that there are Two Bermudas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to contribute tonight? Mr. Famous.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, I am possibly the closing bat tonight.
The Speaker The Speaker That sounds good. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, I am going to say something. I am going to ask you because I can only talk to the Chair. I am going to ask you if this is logical. Some guy says, I committed murder, but I am not a murderer . Does that sound logical? I …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Christopher Famous I am a little bit pregnant but I am not having a baby. That is not logical. My point is that Mr. Brannon —B-R-A-N-N-O-N—said, I said something racist, but I am not a racist. 3390 4 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Well, hold on bro! You …
Mr. Christopher Famous Let me go on, Mr. Speaker. The other day I got a WhatsApp from somebody in the media saying, Hey, we want to speak to you about something. I am like, Speak to me about what? Liverpool? (I couldn’t resist.) No, they said they wanted to ask me why Bermudi …
Mr. Christopher Famous Let me go on to another false narrative, Mr. Speaker: The civil service is gro wing. Nothing of that nature. There is, in fact, a hiring freeze. We heard today about shortages of workers in different departments under National Security. How could that be if we are just hiring people …
Mr. Christopher Famous Oh, here we go. She is a Berkeleyite. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I am a Berkeleyites , and I kind of add the same way the Honourable Member added. I believe that he is inadvertently mi sleading the House. I think what was said …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam. Honourable Member Famous?
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, I carefully never mentioned the OBA. I said, there is a narrative. Not everything out there that is negative is from the OBA, Honourable Member. There is a narrative in the community that this Government is willy -nilly growing the civil service. That claim was out there long …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, let me touch on immigration very briefly. Again, false narratives: PLP hates white people . PLP hates IB . Here is the reality, Mr. Speaker. Four years ago, thousands of people surrounded your Honourable House up on the hill which is under renovation. They surrounded it not because …
Mr. Christopher Famous He was deported! He was the first deportee! [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous The minute they saw the black tips on his ears, out you go, Bro! Our country has been scarred by immigration, but that is no excuse for us not to progress. There are multiple forms of immigration. There is the mixed status, there is Bermuda status, there is PRC, there …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I see no other Honourable Member moving tonight, so we can all rise and go home. Have a good evening everyone and we will see you on Friday morning at 10:00 am. [Gavel] [At 7:38 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 6 March …
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