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House of Assembly Session 2019/2020 333 speeches

March 2, 2020

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This was the first day of Budget Debate focusing on the Cabinet Office's spending plans. Premier Burt presented a $17.3 million budget for the Cabinet Office, representing a 13% increase mainly due to transferring permanent secretary salaries and creating new units. He outlined major initiatives including establishing a Commission of Inquiry to investigate historic land losses, creating an Uptown Development Agency for North Hamilton with $1 million in funding, and providing $500,000 in grants to community clubs. The government also announced plans to achieve 100% paperless processing by 2023 and allocated $3.6 million for IT upgrades.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 2, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 23
Speeches 333

Key Topics

Budget debate for Cabinet Office operations and spending plans for 2020/21Government reform initiatives including plans for paperless government by 2023New Privacy and Information Protection (PATI/PIPA) unit establishmentCommission of Inquiry into historic land losses in BermudaInformation technology upgrades and cybersecurity improvements

Bills & Motions

Motion to enter Committee of Supply to consider Budget Estimates for 2020/21 - approved
Budget presentations for Head 09 (Cabinet Office), Head 43 (Information and Digital Technologies), and Head 80 (Office of Project Management and Procurement) - presented for committee review

Notable Moments

Premier Burt emphasized this is "the exact opposite of what I would regard as status quo budget" when highlighting new funding initiatives
The Commission of Inquiry into historic land losses was given significant detail, with Justice Norma Wade-Miller appointed as chair
Condolences were offered to MP Commissiong, who was absent due to his mother's recent passing

Debate Transcript

333 speeches from 23 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. I trust you all had a nice weekend, short as it was. But it is good to see you here on Monday morning. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 28 February 2020]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 28th of February have been deferred. [Minutes of 28 February 2020 deferred] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker The announcements this morning, we have three Members we will acknowledge this mor ning for not being present. We received notice from MP Scott Simmons and MP Jeanne Atherden that they will be absent today. And we would also like to extend compassion to MP Commissiong, who will also be …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS T O THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are n one. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Carried [over] . CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member like to participate in the congratulations or obituary speeches this mor ning? We recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like for this House to send condolences to the family of Walter “JU” …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to . . . We recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Cole Simons. Ms. Simons, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise this morning to send congratulatory r emarks to the Bermuda Festival. They had a fantastic event, Nobuntu. They were a capp ella group of ladies from Zimbabw e. And they gave a performance that was world- class, as usual. 3220 2 March 2020 Official …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Honourable Member Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I just want to be associated with the condolences offer ed on Fr iday by the Premier to the family of Ms. Vera Beatrice Commissiong, whose son Rolfe sits in this very House. I knew Mrs. Commissiong personally and benefited from the association, but not as much as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, sir. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise Honourable Member Smith. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Ben Smith I would like to have congratulations sent to young Jack Berry, from Somerset Primary, and I would like to associate MP Cole Simons. He partic ipated in a story -writing competition. It is the Collins [Big Cat Writing] Competition. He won for Bermuda. He has just won for the region.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes.
Mr. Ben Smith And now he is in the final eight in the world. So congratulations to him.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member. We will move on to the next order on the paper. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY The Spe aker: Members, and mainly for our listening audience, today is the first day of the Budget Debate, where we enter into the particular ministries and heads which will be debated. And the Heads this morning which we will start off with …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, would you like to move us into committee? Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2020/21.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. And the Deputy will now take the proceedings of the House. House in Committee at 10:10 am [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Honourable Members. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2020/21 for Heads 09, 80 . . . there is no Head 73. It has got to be . . . [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Head 43, Head 67 (is that Head 75? Would it be just information? Okay. O kay) . . . for further consideration of the Estimates of Rev enue and Expenditure for the Fiscal Year. Minister. [Inaudible conversation]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move the following heads, Head 09, Cabinet Office; Head 43, Department of I nformation and Digital Technologies; and Head 80, the Office of Project Management and Procurement. (There is no Head 67 funded in this project, so …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. HEAD 43 —OFFICE OF INFORMATION AND DIGITAL TECHNOLOGIES Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. It gives me pleasure to present the budget for Head 43, the Department of Information and Digital Technologies, found on pages B -62 to B -65 of the Budget Book. Mission …
The Chairman Chairman One second. I am trying to hear the Premier. Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: The target for 2020/21 is 85 per cent due in part to the introduction of a new IT gov-ernance model and recruitment of vacant posts. Business Unit 53050: Digital Services Hon. E. David Burt: Indicator: Consulting …
The Chairman Chairman You are very close to us, right? And I would like to hear the Premier. I do not sit here not to hear.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I will just go outside.
The Chairman Chairman I have got to hear.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member All right.
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Actual outcome in 2019/20 was 50 per cent due in part to the Accountant General’s focus on developin g and implementing the new E1 system. The target for 2020/21 is 50 per cent, as all of E1 upgrades have completed the IDT and, working …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. [Pause] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, if I could start?
The Chairman Chairman Continue. HEAD 80 —OFFICE OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND PROCUREMENT Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Good morning, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 80, the Office of Project Management and Procurement [OPMP], found on pages B -75 through B -77 of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Are there any further speakers? You have 55 minutes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me first start off by saying I did quite e njoy, as the Premier presented some of the information throughout the heads in Cabinet Office, …
The Chairman Chairman He made that clear, you know. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But he did not make it clear who was going to replace the person who is going to take over the position . . . the person who is already there most likely will take over the head. But who …
The Chairman Chairman Right. 3234 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Obviously, that is . . . I was not quite sure of . . . so this 689 . . . so they are falling under the same budgetary restraint? So the whole budget …
The Chairman Chairman All right. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Under Administration. Yes. Yes, no I made the mistake.
The Chairman Chairman Member, what you want to do, just ask the question for the benefit of all, because these little conversations cannot be heard by all. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Perfect. Thank you. I appreciate that. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. So if we could find out there a little more about what has happened there. Also, if I could go back to the Washington O ffice, I did ask the question already, Do we have someone in mind to …
The Chairman Chairman You want more clarity on it. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So I am saying I missed that point. Sorry?
The Chairman Chairman You want more clarity? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, more clarity on that in particular. And in the event . . . I would like to hear a little more of what exactly happened? And I am assuming that if we do not find or sublet the office, that we …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Take your time. [Pause] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I may come back to that. But I am going to flip over to page B -44. The Premier . . . we basically are pretty clear on where we stand with the salaries. He did give a good description and …
The Chairman Chairman No. The Travel has increased from the original. It has increased. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. But if you look at the revised amount, the revised amount —
The Chairman Chairman Yes. No, I understand that. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes . . . took $324,000. So we know that we have spent it. It may come in even a little more than that as they get the rest of the figures in by the end of this month. So they …
The Chairman Chairman Were you going back up? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry, . . . on page 44, yes. Yes, yes. If you go back up to Training, you will see on the same page, it would be good to hear of the new training that is going into place. It is …
The Chairman Chairman Policy and Strategy. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: [Unit number] 19015, the two bodies. Yes, the two bodies. I thought I heard you, give an answer but I was not quite, quite sure. Also, under Head of Public Service, 19080, we have three under the Head of Public Service. If you …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And I guess the question would be then, Did we believe that it was just not needed, or have we replaced it somewhere else in a different form, considering that the Premier is going through a quite a bit of reform within Cabinet? And over …
The Chairman Chairman You have time. Take your time. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. I was always told in leadership that if you have got to remove someone, if you spent more than 20 minutes doing it, then you are in trouble. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Long time. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So underneath the Customer Complaint Log, they responded within 48 hours, it is 100 per cent. But just above that, develop a fiveyear public service plan that requires a review . These are all new initiat ives. I must commend Kevin ’s office for …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have one very brief question, and that is on page B -46 under Performance Measures in r espect of business unit 19015. And it is the third …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Deputy Opposition Leader, Leah Scott.
Ms. L eah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question about the Bermuda [Berm uda Development Agency]. And I am not sure whether I should ask it under 0901 . . . The Chairman: You are on?
Ms. Leah K. Scott On page B -43.
The Chairman Chairman B-43.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Under 0901, General. And then 19000, General Administration. I believe that it has been subsumed into this. So my question is, What is the direction of the BDA considering the funding that they get? Over the years the BDA has kind of de-volve d into a conference coordinator. And it …
The Chairman Chairman When you talk about the BDA, for the listening public —
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sorry. Bermuda Development Agency. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So it is concerning that there was a large co ntingent and the amount of money that was spent on that. And if we are looking to bring revenue and foreign direct investment into Bermuda, then I think there needs to be …
The Chairman Chairman Any further comments? Any further speakers? Okay. I call off on the Premier to respond. Hon. E. David Burt: I will try to give some answers.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: As much as I can.
The Chairman Chairman We appr eciate it. Hon. E. David Burt: And I am sure there will be more questions to come afterwards. And I will admit that I did miss the question from the Honourable Member from constituency 23. So if she could ask again, I might actually get the answers. Because …
The Chairman Chairman Certainly, Premier, certainly. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I was just wondering, on bus iness unit 19015 on Policy and Strategy (this is on page B -46, in respect of PATI [public access to information]), I am just curious. The targets were 100 …
The Chairman Chairman Any further? Honourable Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Premier’s response in terms of the Washington Office , he referred several times to the lobbying firm of record. But he did not specify who that was. [Inaudible interjection] Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier. Hon. E . David Burt: Happy to answer. Our lobbying firm of record is “The Group.” It has been stated publicly, in press release, et cetera, and mentioned in the House of Assembly — [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, I am sorry. That is actually their …
The Chairman Chairman Certainly. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, in regard to page B -47 on the question of gross misconduct and how they are adj udicated within the period of time of which they are adjudicated, we will know and recognise . . . I am …
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions? Mr. Premier, do you want to move the H eads? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, seeing no further questions, I move that Heads 9, 43 and 80 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 9, 43 and 80 be approved. Are there any objections? [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman No. It is all three. That is what we are doing in this . . . Go ahead. No problem. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman No, no, no, no, no. All of them. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman You only have 11 more minutes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I want to use up those minutes.
The Chairman Chairman Well, you do not have to. But if you want to you can. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, what I will do then is I will go quickly over to page B -65 to the pe rformance measures under Head 43, Disaster recovery exercise planned and executed 50 per cent …
The Chairman Chairman Are you talking about business unit 53090? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Under business unit 53090 under Security, yes. I did want to hear from them about that. Also over on page B -62 at the very bottom, Security, 53090, again we are talking about, quite frankly, from the original and …
The Chairman Chairman What business unit are you looking at? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry. Under General, in his general statement he was talking about phone service, a new type of service that they would be using throughout.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. What number? What business unit number? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am saying under his general summary, he was giving a summary on that. I mean, obviously it would fall under I -Series. But the problem is — Hon. E. David Burt: Communications. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: I …
The Chairman Chairman All right . Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: It would be good to hear a little more exactly where they are looking to source this. Do we have sources here locally? It is probably ICOL based with . . . I do not know exactly all of what is happening there. …
The Chairman Chairman It is. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So I will allow him a few minutes then to give us answers to that. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I will state that I did miss the second question. But I will try to get to the other …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mr. Cannonier. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you. If we could proceed over to page B -76 under Head 80, Project Management and Procurement. The Honourable Member mentioned under Performance, B-77, Performance Measures, that . . . and it is a new measure, Train potential bidders on government pr …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I believe the Honourable Member is speaking of trained potential bidders in government procurement. That will be done by the office themselves. Did you hear that . . .
The Chairman Chairman Just do not worry. Talk to me. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And the other question was, yes, on the matri x itself. It asked how many Bermudians will be hired. And based on the percentage that is in the matrix, they either get a lower or a higher number on …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Mr. Pearman, you have the floor. 3242 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is for the Premier under Head 9, page B -43, line item 19060, Commission of Inquiry. There is an allocation there …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, it is for the Commission of Inquiry into land grabs.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Mr. Premier, you want to move ahead, please. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 9, 43 and 80 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 9, 43 and 80 be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Cabinet Office Heads 9, 43 and 80 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2020/21.]
The Chairman Chairman The next — POINT OF PRIVILEGE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I rise on a point of privilege to ask to be excused for two minutes, please.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Mr. Simons. [Mr. N. H. Cole Simons, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman I thought it was after lunch. [Laughter] [Pause]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Premier, you may pr oceed with the next head, Head 94, Economic Development. You have one hour. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move the following head, Head 94, Econom ic Development, be now taken under consideration.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier. You may proceed. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HEAD 94 —ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPAR TMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, the Economic Development Department’s mission is to advance the sustainable growth, development and diversification of Bermuda’s economy. I am delighted to present the budget for …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. We will do it after then if it goes to me. Mr. Premier, can you adjourn for lunch, please? Hon. E. David Burt: Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. I move that the House do now adjourn until 2:00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Proceedings suspended at 12: 30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:01 pm [Mr. N. H. Cole Simons, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HEAD 94 —ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon everyone. We are resuming in the Committee of Supply and we are debating Head 94. Does anyone wish to speak to Head 94? I recognise the Deputy Opposition Leader,
Ms. Leah Scott. Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to start on page B - 78 of the Budget Book please, starting with the D epartment Objectives. And I basically would like to have a summary of how the objectives as set out are going to be impl emented. And …
Ms. Leah K. Scott I offered him a protein bar.
The Chairman Chairman Deputy Opposition Leader, you may proceed.
Ms. Leah K . Scott Thank you. [Inaudible interjection] 3246 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Leah K. Scott: On page B -78 under the Depar tment Objectives. And, as I have said, Premier, I would like to have more detail about this, but it does not have to be …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sorry, it is 104080. I want Rev enue, sorry. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, okay. On page B -80 under the Concierge Services, I know that the BDA used to offer a concierge service and I would like to know more details about what that would entail. Does it mean like meeting people at the airport? Does it help them with picking out …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Previously, the estimate was $165,000 and now it is down to $150,000, and I would like to know why that changes there. And under 104080, Tech Awareness . . . sorry, on the same page B -79, 104080, Tech Awareness and Development, that was $131,000 and now it has gone …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to Head 94, Economic Development? I call on the Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will try my best to try to answer some of the questions while I know some of the more …
Ms. Leah K. Scott So, could I just give you a point of information in terms of the BDA?
The Chairman Chairman Will he accept the point of information? Hon. E. David Burt: Go ahead. POINT OF INFORMATION
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you. The BDA actually does do that. I do not know if they do it officially, but they have done it for clients that we have had coming in. And so that is why I was . . . and the question is not limited to just the BDA, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sorry. Hon. E. David Burt: That is right. Get her in line, get her in line. [Laughter] Hon. E. David B urt: Anyhow, there was a question about who is responsible for training and education. Right now, the training and education components, which are being handled right now, are currently …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have two minutes. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, sorry. Public servants trained. All public servants will receive training quarterly. [Crosstalk ] Hon. E. David Burt: I am sorry. Everyone is shouting over me. I just want to . . . [Crosstalk ] The Clerk: [There are] 17 minutes …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have 15 minutes. Hon. E. David Burt: I am just trying to answer the questions, but I am happy to defer if there are more questions to come and I can go and answer some more afterwards.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Honourable Shadow Minister of Health and Shadow Minister of Finance, Patricia Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And everything else. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, on page B -81 in respect of the Performance Measures relating to programme 9404, Research and Legislative Support, the Premier …
The Chairman Chairman Which Head was that and which line was that? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Well, this was the Minister . . . I would imagine it would have been on the Initiatives, that would be on page B -81, and it was just the response that the Minister — [Inaudible …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Is there anyone else that would like to speak to this Head before we have the Minister answer the question? No? Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: I am quite certain there will be more questions coming, I will . . . can I speak, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may. Hon. E. David Burt: I am happy to. Regard ing the upcoming legislation, I do know that there are two particular issues that are currently being worked on and advanced under the Business Development Unit, which will be, of course, subsumed into the Economic Development Department. The …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does anyone else wish to speak to Head 94, Economic Development? No. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Head 94 be a pproved as printed. The Chai rman: It has been moved that Head …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Point taken. Hon. E. David Burt: Point taken, especially, absolut ely . . . hence, it applies to the money, it is not there. But gotcha, we will make sure it is fixed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved, as I said, it has been moved that Head 94 be approved with erratum. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Economic Development, Head 94, was approved with erratum, and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, we now move to Home A ffairs—sorry —Tourism — The Clerk: Head 48.
The Chairman Chairman Head 48, Tourism. Mr. Minister, you may proceed. Bermuda House of Assembly MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND TRANSPORT HEAD 48 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move the following Head 48, Ministry of Touris m and Transport Headquarters be now taken under …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 48 of the Ministry of Tourism and Transport. The budget appropriation for the entire Ministry will total $88,308,337, found on pages B -199 through B -203 of the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, may I interrupt you for a second? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure.
The Chairman Chairman Can you tell me what line item the Marine Shipping Authority comes under? I am having problems following where it ties in under a line item. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, you just made hist ory, I think, Mr. Chairman. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zan e J. S. De …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Is there anyone who would like to speak to the Ministry of Tourism, Head 48?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, but could I have . . . could we delay it for two minutes? 3260 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes, you w ould like to suspend . . . do you have questions? Okay. I now recognise the Shadow Minister of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And that is . . . there is a total of $37,597,000 for Grants and Contr ibutions. But I wanted to go specifically to the heading, or to the business unit 7099, which is the Bermuda Airport Authority.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And on that particular line the Minister indicated that there was a d ecrease because we had gone from $16.3 million down to $14,508,000. Now, I would like for the Minister to explain whether we are going to be looking at this budget in …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the Minister for his brief and recognising that we actually do need to continue to grow our tourism product. The BTA, in my opinion, has done an excellent job in being able to do that. I want to start with Priority Objectives on …
Ms. Leah K. Scott On page B -202 the Transport ation Planning Team. The Transportation Planning Team last year, I believe, was tasked with implementing a revised plan for traffic coordination of taxis and minibuses and public buses going to Horseshoe [Bay Beach]. Was that plan established and implemented? And, if it was, has …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Make sure you get run flats. That is it. I cannot think of . . . I do not think I have any more questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I do not have any more questions.
The Chairman Chairman I now recognise the Shadow Minister of Finance, the Honourable Patricia Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just wonder, also, if the Mini ster indicated the failure to reach the targeted, or the hoped- for targets, in terms of air arrivals. Partially …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, thank you. Is there anyone else . . . I recognise the Honourable Member Kim Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Thank you, Mr. Chairman, ever so briefly on a topic that I love so dearly. The Minister announced the transport infr astructure that is going to benefit from an increase. And I was wondering . . . and I am going to ask the Mini ster whether or not my …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Is there anyone else that would like to speak to Head 48, the Ministry of Tourism?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I just wanted to provide some information for the Honourable Member Gordon-Pamplin who asked the question about air service development. What was happening before was DAO (D epartment of Airport Operations) actually controlled or was responsible for air service development at the time. In the transition between DAO and Skyport …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair recognises the Honourable and Learned Member from Paget, constit uency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know if this question is properly directed to the Honourable Member who just took to his feet or at the Minister, but the question is really about minimum revenue guarantees and which bucket of those two it plans to come out of in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Member care to speak? Just to share, we are three minutes past four o’clock and this debate will go until 5:40. I recognise the Hono urable Member, the O pposition Leader. You have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, very much. Just …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Any other Member care to speak to Head 48, Tourism? Minister, would you like to answ er some of those questions put forward? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I will start from the back and work my way …
The Chairman Chairman Do you accept his point? Yes. Continue. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Perhaps now that we are on common ground about this and not playing politics over it, can the Minister assure the House that the parameters set by the Government for 2019 have been met? 3266 2 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. [I’ll] just jog your memory about the forts. Don’t forget St. George’s when you are looking through your questions. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Ms. Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman That is on page B -201. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Page B -201, yes. Actuals, 2018/19 under Revenue Source.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The other thing that I wondered is, I am not sure whether it was in the Minister’s brief or whether it was actually articulated from readings that I have had in the paper. But with the grant that was going to be offered …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Remember the sheets. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: With ironed sheets, yes; with pressed sheets. But I would just want to make sure that we . . . you know, everybody is not going to provide the same kind of experience. But we want to at least make sure that …
The Chairman Chairman All right. The Honourable Member Mr. Dunkley, constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just two items that I want to reflect back on to the Honourable Minister. In regard to the coronavirus, and let me very clear, I am a very optimistic person but …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Deput y Opposition Leader. Ms. Scott, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I do have four questions that remain unanswered. One was what the sports strat egy is going to be which was identified in the budget for last year. The World Triathlon Series finishes in 2021. And I know we have the PGA, but what …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister, would you like to answer some of those questions? You still have plenty of time remai ning. It is 4:36 and this debate goes on— The Clerk: Another hour. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay. There was a question with …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That was Kim. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. You will find that you will see some continued activity in those areas with regard to . . . are you talking about down at Hors eshoe [Bay] and things like that?
Ms. Leah K. Scott The question was that the Transportation team was supposed to implement a revised plan. So the existing plan was revised. Was it r evised? And it was being revised in terms of coordinating the taxis, minibuses and public buses, so was it revised? And has the revision enabled the coordination …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Just let me say that it is a work in progress. I am very close to having a deeper conversation. I have been having many, many meet-ings with all the stakeholders in the country with r egard to transportation. A nd that is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And it’s appropriate. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And it’s appropriate, I heard that. The other thing, getting back to the US Open real quick with the Honourable Member Pat GordonPamplin . . . she was there; I did not go. You will ha ppy to know I was …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Member care to . . . yes? Mr. Smith, you were up on your feet pretty quickly that time, Honourable Member, from Southampton.
Mr. Ben Smith Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Just a question. Page B -200, 58000, Admi nistration . I just want to ask a question on sports tourism. I know that the BTA had a conference, a session, where they invited local sports to see if they had certain objectives to host events in …
The Chairman Chairman Deputy Opposition Leader, you have the floor. 3272 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Leah K. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mine is kind of a question/response. The BTA still has a New York office, I believe. And if they do, just to the Minister’s …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Honourable Member from constituency 23, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just had one other question that just came to mind. And that is, fairly recently, I believe five or six months ago, the Minister had the opportunity …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Member care to speak to Head 48, Tourism? Honourable Member from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, back to the vacancy at the top of the BTA and the Minister’s comments that it will be resolved in the normal course, or …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with regard to the Honourable Member Ben Smith and his question with regard to sports tourism, and getting a package together for teams and schools, he certainly is on the right …
The Chairman Chairman All right. Honourable Member, Mr. Smith, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a follow -up on with the sports tourism question that I asked earlier. I think what I was referring a little mor e to was some kind of package that would kind of lay out what is available in Bermuda that could be given to …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Chairman, we are doing the budget. Right? You got to keep your questions in line with the unit and the Head. You have to indicate that. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No, you have not. He …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mm-hmm.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair takes your point. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, from constit uency 31, you have the floor, if you could indicate your line item for Tourism. 3274 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: Yes, so I will go back to . . . I was on page B -200, under …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Member care to speak? Member from constituency 23, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just want to go back to my query which I had on page C -19 in respect to Grants and Contributions …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. She is correct. The first figure of “3” was used for that. I am just trying to be careful. I stay away from that MRG word. I like to say Air Service Development. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The other thing too, Pat, Honourable Member —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —you had asked about the . . . I cannot remember the line item, but you were talking about the revenues, it had moved from whatever the cost centres, about four, five, six of them, I think you lined off. They …
The Chairman Chairman It is 5:01. This debate goes on until 5:40, Head 48. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Ms. Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, and good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. So I am under line item 7099, I believe . . . or no, I am going to take it at 6835, the Tourism Authority Grant. See on page C -19.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So I just wanted a little more clarification and explanation around the passenger tax. I know that this passenger tax has been existence for a while and the Government rightly so has considered an increase. Last year when the increases and the rates for the cruise ship passenger taxes were …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So I believe that I am on C - 19, and I am under line item 6835, Tourism Authority Grant. I believe that that may be where those taxes are going. Between the Tourism Authority and then I guess the consolidated fund. So actually I am just r eally trying …
The Chairman Chairman Address . . . Member can you address the Chair [for] the benefit of . . . you can ask your question. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Whilst I am on my feet, I think it might have been MP Dunkley who had asked about . . . or …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Member care to . . . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, it is just for clarity with respect to my honourable colleague, MP Jackson’s query. And that is, the passenger tax. I just wanted to verify whether that is actually just going into the consolidated fund [and] …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. We are on Head 48. This debate ends at 5:40. Does any Member care to address this Head? There being no further questions, Minister, you can move the Heads if you would like. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, I move that Head 48 be approved as …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 48 be approved. Are there any objections? No objections. Minister. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Transport , Head 48 was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for t he year 20 20/21.]
The Chairman Chairman With Head 48 approved at 5:08, we will now move on — [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Head 89, Home Affairs, Energy, u nder the Deputy Premier, the Honourable Walter Roban. You have the floor, sir. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS HEAD 89 —DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman And this is a two- hour debate. 3276 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, and I am sure you and other able members of the panel will keep the time tight. Mr. Chairman, I move that Head 89, Energy, be now …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 89 be taken under consideration. There are no objections, Minister. Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present the budget for Head 89, the Department of Energy, found on pages B -328 through B -330, [and pages] C …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We are now in the Committee of Supply. We are doing Head 89. We started at 5:09 and we will finish at 7:09. I welcome any Member who would like to speak. I recognise the Member from constituency 30,
Ms. Scott. Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Minister for your brief, whic h, as usual, answers more of my questions than I can ask. I am going to start with page B -328 and 8901, 99000, Administration. Since the duty has been elim inated from the importing of electric cars, has …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Who? [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Oh, okay. So then you have not had a successful education campaign because I only know CAL. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Ms. Leah K. Scott So I would like to know what kind of outreach has been done and where that falls as a line item in th is budget. I know that we have been working with overseas partners to ensure that Bermuda is more competitive in the satellite space. Is the cost for …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Member. Which page are you referring to?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sorry. That is page C -16, under Energy, 76889. I support the creation of the energy sandboxes and I look forward to hearing more about that, as well as the National Space Strategy. I would be interested in hearing more detail as to how it is anticipated that this will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister, you have some questions. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And thank you to the Honourable Member for the questions. Some of the questions actually will pertain to . . . although related, [those] are specifically …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Member from constituency 30,
Ms. Leah Scott. Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just had one more question on page C -8, under Energy, line item 75344, the Solar . . . Photo — Hon. Walter H. Roban: Photovoltaic, PV.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. PV, Solar PV. My question is, I see that it has gone down to zero because the project is going to be completed in the next couple of weeks. But there is no allowance for any maintenance of the solar PV? Or will there not be any maintenance required? …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you will answer that question now? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Sorry, Madam Chai rman. I think I may have slightly missed the question from the Honourable Member. Could she just repeat it?
The Chairman Chairman So I will ask her to repeat that for you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Sure. My question is that you have taken it down to zero because the projec t will be completed and scheduled to be completed and oper ational in the next few weeks. [Is there any] provision for maintenance once it is completed? Is it just going to be . . …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise — Hon. Walter H. Roban: I have one other question around the energy manager.
The Chairman Chairman Sure. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I perhaps ––as I recall, the efforts around Energy Manager by our department, which would have been spoken of, is that we were preparing the description and preparing the actual role of the energy manager. The energy manager was never designed to be in the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I—sorry.
The Chairman Chairman I make sure to recognise you so that the listening audience knows who is speaking, okay? So I recognise the Member from constituency 30, Leah Scott.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just have one question. The Minister stated that the cl ean energy sector was going to be —only Bermudians were going to be hired for that. And so my question is, Do we have enough Bermudians who have the education, experience and expertise for that? …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, thank you for that question. And not to . . . I mean, this Government has made it very clear that we are looking to ensure Bermudians come first. So one of the things that was d ecided was that any future development …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 30.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you, Minister, for your answer. And I have one last question. And I know you are going to look at me cross -eyed, but is there anything that can be done at all to assist in reducing the cost of electric ity in Bermuda?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, well, I think one thing was done in that we are very pleased with the work that the Regulatory Authority was able to do at the end of last year, incorporating a rate, a feed- in tariff, a rate, a tariff decrease for …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 22,
Mr. Scott Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, thank you for that helpful oversight. Could I just pose a question on capital development in relation to the satellite orbital slots? And that is page C- (for Charlie) 8 in the Budget Book, for those follo wing along. And it is really just a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Sure. Just to give . . . and I will get even further details of this from my technical officers. Okay. Bermuda currently has about four satellite slots. Those satelli te slots were acquired many, many years ago through application to the …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, it is nice to see that the potential opportunity and significant financial opportunity for Bermuda is being shepherded from one government to another without politicisation. So that is very helpful. And let us hope that not only that particular slot that has been populated, but …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. I just wa nt to ask one thing, though. Did you break these down already? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, I did.
The Chairman Chairman You did. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I am happy to say them again.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Just making sure. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If the Honourable Member asked me. Did your —
Mr. Scott Pearman No. I know you answered the Honourable Member, the Shadow Minister’s questions. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
Mr. Scott Pearman But I did not catch all of them. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Grateful. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, happy to say them again. These are fees that are collected by the Regulatory Authority and then are transferred to Gover nment. It represents the full amount of $15.224 million, and I will break them down again, happy to do so: • Class …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Minister. I am grat eful for that. So that is the bit I missed. The two high-level numbers there were the $7.85 [sic] million — Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman I am sorry . No, I am corrected, $7.8, right, and then the $7.3, which was described as Miscellaneous. Are you able to just in a very rough, high- level way give us a little bit more breakdown as to what sort of miscellaneous fees are generating $7.3 million? Thank …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Honourable Member and Madam Chairman, I will undertake to find out what the Miscellaneous breakdown is. Again, those are fees that are collected by the Regulatory Authority, but by statute must be given over to the government. So I can get the breakdown, and I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20,
Ms. S. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good afternoon, Madam Chairman. I think I am just going to start with the line item on page B -329. And it is under . . . I am going to start with Employee Numbers, 99000, Administration. I just would like to preface and get to this point. So energy …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I think it was actually only one question in there, Minister. But there was a question about the growth, right? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Yes. I heard the question that the Honourable Member put. And it is an easy question to answer. It must be remembered that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Just adding to that, if Me mbers remember, we signed an agreement with the Waitt Institute for the Bermuda Ocean Prosperity init iative to actually do a marine spatial planning exercise for Bermuda, which actually is also going to spin off some energy initiatives …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak? No. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very m uch, Madam Chairman. I appreciate the questions of Honour able Members. And I hope I have been informative to Honourable Members, but also to members of the public who I know are very …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head— [Desk thumping]
The Chairman Chairman You are getting some praise there, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman And you said you have moved already the Heads. So I will say my part now. It has been moved that Head 89, Energy, be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Home Affairs, Head 89, was approved and stands …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister and Members. House resumed at 6:43 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Committee rising and reporting progress to sit again on the next day of sitting? No objection. So moved. We are back in the House. And I understand there are no other items on the Order Paper for today.
Mr. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Monday —
The Speaker The Speaker Till Wednesday. Hon. E. David Burt: Sorry, until Wednesday, —
The Speaker The Speaker Third. Hon. E. David Burt: —March 4th at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Are there any objections to that? No objection. MP Swan, are you on your feet to make a contribu tion at this point?
The Speaker The Speaker We now recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to speak with regard to some very insensitive comments made on social m edia by very a well -known Bermudian in the music i ndustry, Mr. Tony Brannon. Mr. Brannon has referred to persons in the Government in objection to the pos ition …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Deputy Speaker. I see you on your feet, Deputy Speaker. I am going to acknowledge you, Deputy. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had no intentions of speaking tonight. But I have been sent emails …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It will not be in there. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: You will see no condemnation tomorrow of this statement by Tony Brannon. You will not see it. But if someone from this side said something similar to that about others, it would be on page 1, 2 and 3, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member, would you like to have your 20 minutes? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good. Go right ahead. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: For my 20 minutes. Listen. I just got a chance, an opportunity to see the comment. I really did not know what was being referred to. And, my goodness, this is not the first time that we …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No, no, no. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But even to try and . . . or maybe even . . . I do not even know what the reasoning is behind it. But at the end of the day, there is nothing that justifies this foolishness. And so I would …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, she would. She’s a street fighter. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Been a street fighter ever since! [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So I am sure that at least one of them will get up from this side. But my short comments to this here, really and truly it does …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Minister Burch. Would you like to have a few minutes on the floor, Minister?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess it is third time lucky.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. NEGATIVE COMMENT IN SENATOR JARION RICHARDSON’S MAIDEN SPEECH
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I am going to be all over the place, I think. But let me just start with declaring my position on the daily. Everybody knows I do not buy it. There are also some people who save it for me. But I read it. And I do not …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Who, and I quote, Mr. Speaker, “Bermuda is in danger of becoming a North - Korean style ‘ Dear Leader ’ state, the island’s newest Senator warned in his maiden speech yesterday.” Mr. Speaker, I do not normally comment on what goes on in the Opposition because I do not …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: To comment on the ind ividual as “ plucked from obscurity ” is very unfair to the individual. He has been involved for some time now, worked in pol itics and the likes. That is an unfair comment. [Inaudible …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, he might have been involved. Nobody has heard from him i n politics before. And so he was plucked from obscurity and made a Senator. It is a fact. All I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is that, okay, the Opposition Leader got offended with Tony Brannon. He is …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No surprise. He has no track record, no public track record. He is a rookie. That is not an insult; that is a fact. And the fact that he is standing up talking about how we are on the verge of a Dear Leader state, you do not find that …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Okay. I give up. Mr. Speaker, my next one. I know most people do not think I have a sense of humour, Mr. Speaker, but I do actually. And I guess people will find it surprising that my most recent entertainment was ac-tually provided to me by the daily rag. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But no, I am not on the list. Oh, no. And trust me; I wear that as a badge of honour. But wh at I find in most . . . in fact, I read this somewhere. I was by myself. And if somebody had been listening, they would have …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, you are not in i t. So topping the poll, Mr. Speaker, topping the poll is Michael Dunkley at 33 per cent.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The biggest loser.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Nick Kempe at 27 per cent. So I do know where those 27go because he is going to Spain. Who is third? Zane is third at 10 per cent.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because he is a white dude.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Zane is third at 10 per cent. Wayne Caines is fourth at 9 per cent. The Premier and Curtis Dickinson are tied at 6 per cent. And Leah, you are at 4 per cent. And, Mr. Speaker, I could not stop howling. This is why nobody takes them seriously. Nobody. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I am keeping that because it is going to be the source of entertainment for me, going forward. I do not know what . . . I saw this and I thought, It’s got to be a joke. But then, no, they are dead serious. The most effective …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I would now like to go back to a subject that I touched on on Friday in the debate about the Auditor General, b ecause I tell you I am current. So then I read Friday’s paper, right? And so they have a chart in there. Well, first …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is pretty good math.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch That is pret ty good math? That is even better than Berkeley math, in’it?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, it is. Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: So, Mr. Speaker, you might be interested to learn that 9 of the 28 entities are 2 years or more out of date, and 19 are more than 3 yea rs out of date. So what does …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And so therefore, e ntertainment yet again. But wh at is not mentioned, Mr. Speaker, is who is responsible, or the fact that she said nothing in seven years —nothing, not a peep —or the fact that in the two entities that I am responsible for, the BLDC [Bermuda Land …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Not a dicky bird.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, everybody is stealing that; I am going to come up with a new one now. I am going to have to use the phonetic alphabet to say what I really mean. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch There is that, Mr. Speaker. And I am pleased to see that the Minister of Finance . . . because would we not all want to have these entities up to date? And in fairness, Mr. Speaker, in the case of the BLDC, I have been promised . . . …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No. We have to have that conversation, first of all, about the fact that you did not participate, so you really should not have a say. I am going to make an exception this time. But it is worth having the conversation. Oh I am got it! It is worth …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Is there any other Member? We recognise the Deputy Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did not know about Tony Brannon’s remark until a little while ago. And to say it is offensive is not even adequate enough, number one. Number two, you know, all of us, or most of us, in this room have at some time …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Cockroaches.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Essentially. Benefits from coc kroaches. So our money has value, but we have no value. And he cannot think that this is acceptable. I am sure that he has been told about the backlash, and I do not think that there is anything that he can say that will change …
Ms. Leah K. Scott And it is unfortunate because he had the Big Chill and he was working with Kassie, I think Lois Browne- Evans’s granddaughter. And I am sure that she would not be impressed with that comment. And I am sure that she would tell her granddaughter to no longer have any …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Minister Simmons, would you like to contri bute to this evening? TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this gentleman has a history of racism, a long history of racism. In 2007, he proudly proclaimed before the world …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who was the business? Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: The business was Portofino restaurant. They need to condemn him. Those who employ him need to send him packing. We need to make an example of this individual like we have never done before, because we for-give. We had a gentleman before …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Any other Honourable Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from the East End. Honourable Member Ming, would you like to contribute in this debate?
Mrs. Renee Ming Good evening, Mr. Speaker and listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mrs. Renee Ming I find it appropriate that we are speaking about the comments of Mr. Brannon, b ecause I had a look at —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tony Brannon.
Mrs. Renee Ming He is not in my company, Tony Brannon. Yes. I had a look at the comments and the pictures when they were sent to you and stuff. And I tell you this here. So many things go through your mind when you see things like that. And you know, I …
Mrs. Renee Ming But the more I thought about the post, the more I thought about December 2 nd, because for me December the 2nd is etched forever in my mind. And I am not going to tell you that I cannot get to a space of forgiveness, because I know that for …
Mrs. Renee Ming But I still have mu ch love for them. So, Mr. Speaker, I did not really need to have long comments on this. I think that enough has been said, and more could even be said on this here. And when you see things like this, it clearly defines som …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We see the Minister De Silva. Would you like t o add a contribution? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I sure would, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, what a sad day this is. But it is a sad day for some; it is a regular day for others. The good thing is, Mr. Speaker, that tonight could be —could be —a watershed …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No? I said, You ever tried it? [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I was glad to hear the Honourable Deputy Leader speak about how she certainly will not support it, and the Opposition Leader Craig Cannonier speak. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You will. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I hope so. I hope so. Okay. All right. Because Mr. Scott Pearman says as soon as 3300 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly I sit down he is going to speak. I hope he will, and I …
The Speaker The Speaker Member from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker It looks like you would like to contribute to the debate?
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 20 minutes.
Mr. Scott Pearman I will be brief. No, I will be brief.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have got 20 minutes. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mr. Scott Pearman A few people this evening have called upon me to speak —I was going to do so an yway—including the Honourable Derrick Burgess. Mr. Speaker, we are here on audio. There is no video. But I am looking around this room at my 35 colleagues in this House. And let …
Mr. Scott Pearman It is a matter of respect. It is hard enough to be a politician in our divided Island day in, day out, dealing with the historic atrocities through which we have suffered, to then be denigrated in that fashion. And I have no hesitation whatsoever in condemning the remarks. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister, you jumped quickly that time. Mini ster Caines. Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Sp eaker: You have your 20 minutes, sir. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, at 6:45 am this morning, I received a message from Mr. Tony …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ah, ah! Hon. Wayne Caines: So when you are talking about cockroaches, it was not an abstract conversation. It was referri ng to me as the man! Now, I was appointed as the Minister with r esponsibility for Immigration by the Premier. It is a so lemn task of which …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly. Hon. Wayne Caines: There is no reason to use the word. I believe that this has to be used as a lear ning lesson. I get the mea culpa. I, of all people, understand what that looks like and what that sounds like. But I can tell you that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Honourable Member Smith. Honourable Member Smith, I think you would like to contribute to this debate.
Mr. Ben Smith Yes. Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 20 minutes. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mr. Ben Smith I just had the opportunity to see that Tony Brannon has tried to make an apology for what he said. The problem is that . . . So last week I spoke to the fact that immigration has been used as a wea pon in the past. I am going …
Mr. Ben Smith The problem that we have is there are a lot of people who do not say it out loud. But we are not sure whether that is what they are thinking when we are in the room. Bermuda House of Assembly We spent a lot of time and effort trying …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Member from 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I promise to be very brief.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, sir. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. Michael J. Scott: The occasion should not pass having regard to all that has been said, particularly by the Members of the legal profession and my co l-league, Mr. Smith. This occasion should not be allowed to pass without underscoring the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Now I recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Simons. Honourable Member, you have your 20 minutes. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think the Honourable Member Zane De Silva hit the nail on the head. This gentl eman, Tony Brannon, wrote this piece of vile corr espondence because he was writing it to an audience. He was writing it to somebody, or a …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons As a number of colleagues said, I refuse to place all of our white brothers and sisters in this category, because I know that the m ajority of white Bermudians do not subscribe to this behaviour. But I also know that there are a vast number of people who may …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They are empat hetic.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I would not even say they are empathetic. They are polite. But if you watch their behaviour, you will see the truth.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Exactly! 3304 2 March 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Do not judge a person by what they say. Judge them by what they do. That is what I have always been told. Mr. Speaker, let us be clear. I have been …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member So why did you not? Another Hon. Member: It is not too late! It is not too late, Cole! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair, you are all right.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons But, Mr. Speaker, I was raised in a family whereby we embraced everyone. And I also felt that we need all Bermudians involved in politics. We need to engage all the academic r esources and the capital resources of black Bermudians and white Bermudians. Mr. Speaker, that was my motive …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons But I know, knocking on some doors you could tell.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, you can.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And they do not have to say it. Welcome, Mr. Simons; nice to have you in my house. But at the end of the day, your soul speaks to you. And that is what you have to listen to. And you have to give everybody the dignity that they deserve …
The Speaker The Speaker And you do not need to speak and they are refereeing between you, right? There you go.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Here in the Chamber, I say to people, Mr. S peaker, this is theatre. The real politics and the real honest conversations are held in the side rooms of this Parliament. We have to bring this conversation here and show the same respect and dignity that we have for each …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons That is my point. And he has got people supporting him. And that is why I am sa ying it is not just him. He is speaking for an audience, and that is where we still have work to do in this country. But, Mr. Speaker, I invite our parliamentarians …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly All right. We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member, you look like you would like to make your 20- minute contribution? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I will, Mr. Spea ker. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker You have the floor. Go right ahead. TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my heart is very heavy. It is very heavy because when the Honourable Member from constituency 2 stood to his feet I whispered to my colleague opposite, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Mr. Premier, you sprang up real quickly that time. I was looking to see if anybody was behind you. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker But you are on your feet, so I acknowledge you now, Mr. Premier. How is that? TONY BRANNON’S INSENSITIVE COMMENTS CONDEMNED Hon. E. David Burt: Everyone is saying they want to go home. Unfortunately, I just want to make sur e I make it to the viewing for Ms. Grimes. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yep. Hon. E. David Burt: So when the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, or when the Minister for Tourism, or the Minister for Communications says that it is a question as to where people will stand, we will see where they stand. We will see if they actually will put …
The Speaker The Speaker Disaster — [Inaudible i nterjection] Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, thank you. Disaster Reduction and Risk Mitigation Team (as the Minister of N ational Security refers to it as the DRRM) is now embedded within the Public Health Emergency R esponse Team. And so the officers from the National Security …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. With that, we stand adjourned until Wednesday morning at 10:00 am when we wil l resume the debate on this year’s budget. Members, have yourselves a good evening. [At 8:44 pm, the House stood adjourned until Wednesday, 4 March 2020.] 3308 2 March 2020 Official Hansard …
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