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House of Assembly Session 2019/2020 701 speeches

February 28, 2020

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Session Summary

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This was primarily a day for government ministers to provide updates to Parliament rather than debate new laws. The Premier reported on progress implementing recommendations from the BermudaFirst economic development report. The Deputy Premier explained why bananas have been scarce in stores due to pest problems with imported fruit. The Health Minister outlined Bermuda's preparations for the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the need for community cooperation to keep the virus out.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Feb 28, 2020
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 34
Speeches 701

Key Topics

BermudaFirst economic plan implementation updates across health, education, and immigrationBanana shortage caused by pest infestations in imported fruitCOVID-19 preparedness and prevention measures for BermudaPrimary school art exhibition celebrating student creativityNew government radio system for police, fire, and emergency services

Bills & Motions

Foreign Currency Purchase Tax (Exemption) Order 2020 - presented to Parliament
Land Tax (Exemption) Order 2020 - presented to Parliament
Note: No bills were debated or voted on during this sitting. The two orders were simply presented by the Finance Minister for future consideration.

Notable Moments

Health Minister called for unprecedented cooperation across all sectors to prepare for COVID-19, noting it would likely become a global pandemic
Deputy Premier revealed that Hurricane Humberto destroyed 90% of local banana crops, contributing to the current shortage
Premier highlighted that 66% of health care recommendations from BermudaFirst are already being implemented

Debate Transcript

701 speeches from 34 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 21 February 2020]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of the 21st of February have been circulated. Are there any omissions, corrections? There are none. The Minutes are confirmed as printed. [ Minutes of 21 February 2020 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. This morning we have been i nformed by the following Members that they will be a bsent today: MP Tinee Furbert, MP Dennis Lister, MP Scott Simmons . And Minister Furbert has also sent indication this morning that he will be absent today as well. HOUSE PAGE
The Speaker The Speaker And I would also like to acknowledge pages assisting us today: Ms. Dazhja Greaves will be paging with us this morning as an observer. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are two papers to be presented this morning, both in the name of the Minister of F inance. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. FOREIGN CURRENCY PURCHASE TAX (EXEMPTION) ORDER 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Foreign Cur-rency Purchase …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And the second? LAND TAX (EXEMPTION) ORDER 2020 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Land Tax …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. 3088 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. You have on the Order Paper nine Statements that are printed in front of you. I would just like to acknowledge that there are actually 10. There was a technical problem with the 10th one being omitted. But Minister Foggo also should be listed as one of …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. BERMUDAFIRST —AN UPDATE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise this Honourable House of the progress being made on the implementation of the recommendations from BermudaFirst . Mr. Sp eaker, this Government committed to building a better and fairer Bermuda for all by enacting …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. The next Statement this morning is that in the name of the Deputy Premier. Would you like to do your Statement, Deputy? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to everyone.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. BANANA SUPPLY Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to update this Honourable House about the I sland’s supply of bananas . Mr. Speaker, I am sure that you would have seen or heard the various news articles highlighting the shortage of supply of bananas. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. The next Statement this morning is that in the name of the Minister of Health. Minister, would you like to put your Stat ement? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Good morning. Thank you,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you. COVID -19—PREPAREDNESS AWARENESS OF THE CORONAVIRUS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker and Honourable Members, I rise today to offer a further update and an appeal regarding the steadily escalating public health threat of COVID -19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus . The spread of COVID …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Education. Minister, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. THE 55 TH ANNUAL PRIMARY ART EXHIBITION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise before this Honourable House, excited to share with my colleagues about the excellent display of pr imary school artwork that is currently being exhibited in the Bermuda Soci ety of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I believe the next State ment is also in your name. Would you like to present that one, as well? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. 2019/20 FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR BERMUDA COLLEGE STUDENTS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise before this Honourable House to provide an u pdate on the annual government grant of $300,000 gi ven to the Bermuda College for financial support to students , and also share …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement on the Order Paper this morning is that in the name of the Ministry of National Security. Minister, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, sir. A NEW GOVERNMENT PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM FOR BERMUDA Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning to provide this Honourable House with an update on the Government’s new Public Safety Radio Sys tem . Mr. Speaker and Honourable Members may recall that the Government of Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I believe you also have a second Statement, Mi nister. Would you like to proceed with that one? Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, sir. CYBERSECURITY STRATEGY UPDATE Hon. Wayne Caines : Mr. Speaker , I would like to give a cybersecurity strategy update . Mr. Speaker, there …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement on the Order Paper this morning is that of the Minister of Tourism and Transport. Minister, would you like to present yours? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. TRANSPORT CONTROL DEPARTMENT UPDATE Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker The next Statement on the Order P aper this morning is that of the Minister of Works. Minis ter. T. N. TATEM FUTURE PLANS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Following the formal announcement last week by the Minister of Education that the T. N. Tatem Mi ddle Schoo l would not reopen, responsibility now falls to the Ministry of Public Works to decide on future us-es for the school. The school has been closed a …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, it is i ncomprehensi ble to me that someone would load their vehicle with garbage and drive to T. N. Tatem to di spose of it rather than travelling a few more miles down the road to Tynes Bay and do their small part to keep our Island …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The last Statement this morning is that in the name of Minister Foggo. Minister, would you like to do your Statement? (And turn your microphone on so we all hear you.) Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I would like to read the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. CARIFTA 2020 Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Speaker, in 2012, Bermuda hosted a very successful CARIFTA at the N ational Sports Centre. The games opened with tremen-dous fanfare on Friday, April 6, 2012, as athletes from 25 countries paraded onto the track at the National Sports Centre in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. And that brings us to the close of the Stat ement period. We now move on. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker And, Min isters, there are four Members who have indicated questions, or four Ministers have questions put to them. (How is that?) And we will start with the Statement that was given this morning by the Minister of Health. Minister, you have a question from the O pposition Leader. Honourable …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The clock. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Stop the clock . I won’t be long. [ Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker There you go. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Y es. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Mr. Speaker, on page 6, I was just curious. The Honourable Minister mentions that the Customs [Officers are] asking questions [of incoming passengers]. I was curious as to when exactly did they start that questioning as …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the exact date. But we met several weeks ago with the Public Health Emergency Response Team to which Customs are a part, as well as two meetings which were asked for at the request of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. QUESTION 2: COVID -19— PREPAREDNESS AWARENESS OF THE CORONAVIRUS Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: On page 8 also, and I agree with the Minister that collaboration certainly is needed. I am also aware that there are many offices, doctors’ offices and businesses that are discussing this very phenomenon of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Supplementary, just so I can be clear.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Are we saying that the doctors’ offices as well are all collaborating with yourself in order to get these ordered? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I believe some doctors’ offices are acting on their own with respect to securing the PPEs. However, again …
The Speaker The Speaker Any further question? No. Minister, you also have a question from another Member. MP Pearman, would you like to put your question? QUESTION 1 : COVID -19— PREPAREDNESS AWARENESS OF THE CORONAVIRUS
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me thank the Honourable and Learned Minister for her Statement. Obviously, it is important for the public to be hearing from the Minister so that they are made aware. And I can actually confirm; I landed last we ek and was asked questions similar to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I thank that Honourable Member and colleague for that question. I think I can answer that in a couple of ways. And I will answer where the honourable colleague ended. I think insofar as creating an unnecessary panic, recognising that the World Health …
The Speaker The Speaker And we are glad he did. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, exactly. [Laughter] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Especially those of us sitting around him. But in any event, seriously, Mr. Speaker, these general hygiene matters that we can all take care of in addition to washing our hands —if you …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have a suppl ementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. I thank the Minist er for her explanation. I just have a quick question. And that is in r espect of the information that has been made available, apart from the normal contact …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are familiar about one case that has been identified in the United States with r espect to what the Honourable Member speaks about. But again, if I can just reiterate, Mr. Speaker, this coronavirus is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Second suppl ementary? Yes, second supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I wonder if the Minister would be good enough to advise the public of the contact number at the hospital so that people will have that readily available in the event that they need to make that call. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I do …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Yes. Thank you. No further question for the Minister on that particular Statement. We will now move on to the next Statement for which a Member has indicated they have a question. And we are going to Minister Caines. Minister Caines, the Member from constitue ncy 31, MP Smith, …
Mr. Ben Smith Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: A NEW GOVERNMENT PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM FOR BERMUDA
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you to the Honourable Minister for the Statement. With the upgrade in the technology for the radio and communications, I am just wondering . . . in other jurisdictions there are body cams that are worn by some of the police officers that are part of the communications and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister, would you like to respond? Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, the Bermuda P olice Service already have the ability to wear body cams. And when they are deployed in operation al policing, the majority of the officers do already have body cams attached to the kit …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for that. I did not know that. Good. Supplementary?
Mr. Ben Smith Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you for that. The reason I bring it up is because obviously the evidence part that goes along with it, plus the ability to make sure that you are protecting not only the officers but the public of Bermuda with a system that obviously is used on an ongoing …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, when we are tal king about the communications for the Bermuda Police Service, I think that there is a constant need to morph and to grow and to make sure that the Bermuda P olice Service is having the accountability to make …
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Caines, you spoke specifically in the c ybersecurity [update] to some of the private sectors that have dealt with the attacks that have happened. And we know some of these both locally and in the larger community. I am wondering if you are able to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, with reference to cybersecurity, we have a system that is constantly under threat, whether it is ransomware or whether it is phishing. Our cybersecur ity system, whether it is pr ivate, whether it is our home, whether there are emails, email messages …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Mr. Ben Smith: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Ben Smith So in this particular realm, we all u nderstand that the people who are out there to create these attacks are always moving very quickly. And there is always the need to make the system more robust. Is there any indication that we are going to have to do upgrades …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: That was one of the bulwarks at the heart of what was in the Statement. I think it was page 4 of the Statement, we said that we were going to have an ITU assessment. The ITU will come in this year. They will look at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No supplementary, no further questions. We will move on. The last Statement in which a Member has indicated that they have questions is that for the Mi nister of Sports. Minister, the Member from constituency 31, MP Smith, would like to put a question to you. QUESTION …
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the Minister for the Statement on the upcoming CARIFTA Games. Obviously, I support sport in Ber-muda and the development of our young people. B ermuda House of Assembly The Minister spoke specifically to some of the upgrades that are going to have to …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: The budget itself falls under the remit of the Bermuda National Athletics Associ ation. However, as I stated, we did sponsor and we sponsored to the tune of . . . my Ministry sponsored, to the tune of $300,000. The Spe aker: Supplementary? No further. …
The Speaker The Speaker They have been supplied. Hon. Wayne Caines: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Just to acknowledge it. I did not want to go with its not being acknowledged. Hon. Wayne Caines: Yes, sir. QUESTIONS: BERMUDA POLICE SERVICE PAID LEAVE APRIL 2018 TO JANUARY 2020 Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr. Will the Honour able Minister please provide to this Honourable House a complete …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And that brings us to a close of the Question Period this morning. And we will move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would anyone wish to speak to the congratulatory remarks this morning? And I notice the Minister of Education. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to send congratulations to the staff and students of Paget Primary School. In fact, I would like …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Exceptional carpenter, who if you did know him, lost it — [Timer beeps.]
The Speaker The Speaker That is your time, Minister; your time is up. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Sure.
The Speaker The Speaker Would anyone else wish to speak? We recognise the Leader of the Oppos ition. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to echo the sentiments of the E ducation Minister. I did have the opportunity to be up at Paget …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise Honourable Member, Mr. Ty rrell. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to all.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, on a sad note, I would ask if a letter of condolences could be sent to [the family of] one of my constituents, Diane Trott, of 2 Jones Village. Ms. Trott had suffered for a year or so and succumbed recently. She will be missed certainly by her …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Tyrrell. Would any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Hono urable Member, Mr. Richards. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to extend condolences to the family of Curtis Landy. I actually …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister Foggo, I see you on your feet. Would you like to make a contribution at this time? Hon. Lovitta F . Foggo: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Well, I would like to be ass ociated with the congratulatory remarks for Cal “Bummy” Symonds. Indeed, Northland’s courtyard was named after him, as he is one of their older liv ing st udents. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Former student, former student. Yes. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: And, given his sporting accomplishments, he is definitely most deserving of ha ving the courtyard named after him. And I would also like to thank the Minis try of Public Works for assisting in that. I also must as a St. …
The Speaker The Speaker And who is her father, for those who do not know? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: And I would like to just point out that her father is the Honourable Member, Mr. Kim Swan. And the fervour that she showed and the determination that she showed to try and secure this …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. Yes, I would like to be associated with those remarks to young Zindziswa Swan.
The Speaker The Speaker I think you would.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan At 25 years old, she r eminded me of when I was 25 years and ran and lost up in Somerset and moved to St. George’s, —
The Speaker The Speaker Well, she had success. She had success in these.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —so now she ran in St. George’s at 25, —
The Speaker The Speaker You were in, so you had it in the rest.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —38 years later. And I think she will . . . But she is born and bred blue- andblue through and through. I love her, and she loves St. George’s. And as a residential candidate, that is the most important quality that one must have. You must have a love …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member S imons. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to send condolences to the family of Michelle Woolridge Grimes. As you may r emember, Ms. Grimes from Loyal Hill, she was the a ttendant a t the airport, American Airlines. She was a true ambassador for Bermuda. I have known her …
The Speaker The Speaker Keva.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I would like to associate m yself with the comments made in regard to Alma Hunt. I worked with him at Bermuda National Bank a long time ago before he became a carpenter. He was some character.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It was yesterday.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons It wasn’t yesterday, I can say that. And I associate myself with the comments made in regard to Diane Trott and Jean Bath. I would like to associate myself with the comments made in regard to the Mi nister of Education with the Paget Primary Black History Month celebr ation, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Deputy Premier. Deputy, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the congra tulatory remarks that were given to Northland Primary and Mr. Calvin “Bummy” …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Hono urable Member wish to speak? Mr. Famous, are you up and down? Are you going to stay up? All right. We recognise Mr. Famous.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I was trying to yield for the lady.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have the microphon e.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I would like to . . . it has been a rough week, a rough couple of weeks for Devonshire. I would like to join in with the condolences for Michelle Woolridge Grimes. She was Loyal Hill like extraordinai re. And the Education Minister wants to …
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes indeed, Mr. Pedro [Eastmond] and his assistants. They are actually go-ing through their own renovations, so I was kind of like, Hey, this sounds familiar. You’ve got to move out of one place t o go to another.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes.
Mr. Christopher Famous And most importantly, they had a museum attached to their parliament that gave part of the history of Barbados —the labour movement, the emancipation. It highlighted their national heroes. So I am just saying, Mr. Speaker, you know, some of us could learn a thing or two from some of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Famous. Madam. 3110 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would ask that this Honourable House send a note of condolences to the family of the late Eleanor Mary Powell. Mrs. Powell …
The Speaker The Speaker Was her father not in his head with you? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I said it was in another iteration of my political life, Mr. Speaker. And I believe that it sufficed to sa y that. But I think that Zindzy had done tremendously well, and I offer her …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any . . . want to do the Deputy first? Yes. We will take the Deputy first, Premier. Thank you. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Premier, for yielding to me. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks of …
The Speaker The Speaker What was that? I missed something there, Mr. Deputy. — [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: —that S omerset should honour Sir Calvin “Bummy” Symonds. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You were pretty good at first, Deputy. I do not know about the end of that piece. But you were pretty good.
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you very much, Mr . Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks that were given with regard to congratulation remarks that were given to Paget Primary. I was able to attend yesterday, as I have attended on every year that I have been in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Mr. Scott? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Member Scott from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, I certainly rise to be associated with the congratulations offered to my colleague’s daughter Zindzy in moving into the muni cipal responsibilities of the Town of St. George’s. I want to also rise and be …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Minola will be sad, and I want them all to know. And her daughter is a teacher, as I recall, at Sandys Secondary.
The Speaker The Speaker Deana. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, that is right. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker And Keva is at West End. Hon. Michael J. Scott: So, condolences to them on the passing, the sad passing of Arthur Douglas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to add contrib utions this morning? Mr. De Silva, are you on your feet? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I certainly am, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise you. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, yes. Remember when Stanley [Lowe] was the Speaker. Yes indeed. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would also like to associate condolences to Ms. Mayo Dar-rell, who was the mother of Glenda Todd, …
The Speaker The Speaker One minute, one minute. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —I would like to congrat ulate Nikki Bascome for his victory just recently. [Timer beeps]
The Speaker The Speaker One second. Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member. We w ill move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION O F BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker We will resume the consideration of the Estimates of Revenue for the year 2020/21, together with the Budget Statement in support thereof . Minister of Finance, would you like to open that for us? The Clerk: He has the motion. He has his motion.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. MOTION APPROVAL OF THE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2020/21 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, last Friday I delivered the Budget Statement for fiscal 2020/21, a budget that was designed to provide relief to those who need it most, as well as get the economy …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any member wish to speak to that? We now recognise the Shadow Finance . . . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just as a point of interest, Mr. Speaker, I am just curious whether, given Bermuda House of Assembly the hour, we should begin now or whether …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, now it is 12:20, and we normally break at 12:30. Members, the Member has asked, Would we mind if we have an extra 10 minutes added onto our lunch break (essentially)? Would anyone have any objections to that? No objections to that. Then what we will do, we will …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon everyone. I trust you enjoyed the extra 10 minutes. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, and for those in the listening audience, we are resuming where we left off. And at that time the Shadow Minister of Finance was about to take the microphone to do the Reply of the B udget for the Opposition. And, Madam, are you ready? We will now have …
The Speaker The Speaker Gordon- Pamplin, yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —Mr. Speaker, but thank you very much and good afternoon to you and good afternoon to Honourable Members and to our listening audience. THE OPPOSITION’S REPLY TO THE BUDGET STATEMENT 2020/21 Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, “Crushed by the costs …
The Speaker The Speaker The speeches are being distributed as she speaks. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This Budget clearly reflects that Premier Burt’s Government does not understand what is happening in Bermuda, and they have not made their priorities clear in how these i ssues can be addressed to provide assistance and comfort …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We recognise the . . . Minister Simmons, you are the first to reply? Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: For my sins, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have the floor. DEBATE ON THE BUDGET STATEMEN T AND REPLY TO THE BUDGET 2020/21 Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker; good afternoon, colleagues; and good afternoon to the listening audience. I am going to begin where the Honourable Member who just took her seat began, with …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Good leadership requires humility. Public services from bus to trash and schools are left to suffer while they told seniors money doesn’t grow on trees and gave $100 million to a boat race. Have they apologised?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Humility . . . good leadership requires humility. Mr. Speaker, they did little to nothing about the cost of living, they did little to nothing about the electricity prices. We inherited a school system from them that saw four Education Ministers in four years, teachers …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Nope. Good leadership requires humility. Now, we also had . . . and they like to talk about i mmigration, b ut they seem t o have forgotten, immigration policies that l ed to our pe ople surrounding this Chamber and blocki ng access t …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Good leadership requires humility. Mr. Speaker, good leadership also requires understanding. Now, I am not a math genius, I would never . . . if you see me occupying the seat of Ministry of Finance you will know that things have gone terribly badly. But …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Yes. Oh, but the thing is now they do not want to offer solutions. I see meagre solutions throughout this document, but now they are saying you’re the government and they do not want to offer solutions. They do not want to say what immigr …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I do not see anyone else standing. I can hit the gavel if no one else wants to speak. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Well, Mr. Speaker, I am ready to speak.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I thought we were going to achie ve what we are accustomed to in the House.
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 36. You have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, thank you. First of all, Mr. Speaker, may I say that as I prepared the remarks for t he defence of this excellent budget that I commend to this House and that …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, I am sure you all would like to hear the Honourable Member who is speaking, but we only can do that if there is one voice. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Scott h as the floor. We would like to hear his voice. Thank you. Hon. Michael J. Scott: So, all of the . . . both the functioning of the economy and how it is faring is contained in these metrics set out in the National Ec onomic Report. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I am a bit confused. Our first speaker from constituency 33 spoke out against the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But, to simply come out and say your board has got to be 60 per cent Berm udian, quite frankly, has now defeated the whole purpose of reversing the 60/40 rule. So, I am just trying to reason here with our Government as to …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition is misleading the House. Those figures come from the Statistical D epartment. Those are not figures that the Premier makes up. He is reading from the government documents.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . In my l ast minute, that kind of sums it all up right there. It just sums it all up right there. Pure confusion. The numbers are here, and whether the Prem-ier reads them wrong or not, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Honourable Member Hayward, I see you on your feet. Honourable Member Hayward —
Mr. Jason Hayward Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Jason Haywar d I thank you for the opportunity to allow me to weigh in on today’s debate.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Member s. Mr. Hayward is on his feet.
Mr. Jason Hayward I listened to the Reply to the Budget delivered by the Honourable Patricia GordonPamplin, JP, M P, Shadow Minister of Finance. Her statement included glaring omissions as to the state of our economy. The solutions put forward were also wanting. I heard one of my colleague’s chirp that this is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It is] 2020.
Mr. Jason Hayward I heard some say what ha ppened to the last t wo quarters. They must appreciate that statistics are reported on a lag and they have not been produced. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members.
Mr. Jason Hayward But that is how our economy is doing overall.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! 3132 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Jason Hayward: That is contrary to the rhetoric that is spewed by some. It is contrary to the narrative of doom and gloom spewed by some. When we look at the numbers, we can see in …
Mr. Jason Hayward I heard a chirp from the person who namely . . . stood to her feet and produced one of the worst Budget Reply’s in living history. Those are the words of one of my colleagues. [Inaudible interjection]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Speak for yourself.
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, the preliminary data from the Department of Statistics showed that jobs are up. Jobs increased by 441 jobs. The 34,303 jobs recorded in 2019, Mr. Speaker, is the greatest number of jobs in the economy since 2012. Let me repeat that. Jobs increased by 441. The 34,303 jobs …
Mr. Jason Hayward Bermuda jobs were up, in not just the public service, but construction jobs were up, hotel and restaurants were up, transport and comm unications were up, real estate and renting were up, business activities, education, health and social work and international business jobs were up. A glaring omission left out …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
Mr. Jason Hayward And in 2019, we broke the trend of decline in Bermudian employment. Bermudian jobs are up. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Jason Hayward More people have the ability to earn income and work towards a better quality of life. Mr. Speaker, the country works best when our people are working, and we realise that. And that is why we continue to try to facilitate job growth. Not only are jobs up, Mr. Speaker, …
Mr. Jason Hayward Ever recorded— 808,000. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jason Hayward See, what they want to do is paint the picture that is not reality. The reality is when we look at the economic indicators; they support ec onomic growth and development. Bottom line. Tourism spending was also up despite air arrivals being down, tourism spending was up. Tourists contributed over …
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, there must be a commitment — The Speake r: Members.
Mr. Jason Hayward —for investment and training and hiring of Bermudians from Bermudian [employers] and businesses. Mr. Speaker, I sat quiet when the Honourable Patricia Gordon- Pamplin made her statement. I am requesting she do the same.
The Speaker The Speaker I am speaking to the other Member s, too, because it ain’t just her voice I hear up here, so you should ask everybody to be quiet. If you are going to ask one, ask them all to be quiet, please. And I am asking you all to be quiet …
Mr. Jason Hayward Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, in addition, the exploitation of wages needs to disappear. Wage exploitation in Bermuda needs to disappear. Employees deserve a fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work. Bermudians simply cannot live off of exploitation wages. Immigration is a very sensitive matter and many …
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, I stand firmly with the PLP Government on building a fairer and better Bermuda. That is the overarching aim that we want to accomplish. The Honourable Patricia Gordon- Pamplin had the nerve to speak to our teachers who resort to i ndustrial action. Mr. Speaker, the OBA presided …
Mr. Jason Hayward The worst period of industrial relations history.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Talk about it.
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, I heard a lot of code . . . when we start to talk about government needs reform, what are we talking about?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Get to the nitty gritty. Another Hon. Member: Come on.
Mr. Jason Hayward Are we talking about cutting jobs? [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jason Hayward Are we talking about having Bermudians unemployed?
The Speaker The Speaker Members. [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members! I just want to hear Mr. Hayward’s voice.
Mr. Jason Hayward It seems as though they are satisfied when public service jobs are being cut, but want to raise alarm bells when things are not working out so well in the private sector. What are public ser-vice employees, Mr. Speaker, chopped liver? [ Inaudible interjections] Mr . Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, …
Mr. Jason Hayward If people have a skill set and they are utilising their skill set to provide a service to their country, it should be applauded. But that is not what we get. Mr. Speaker, prior to me assuming this pos ition I was head of a public service union. I was …
Mr. Jason Hayward As a community —in particular, a black community in Bermuda, because that is the community I can speak from —we have always had an uphill battle because we do not have the economic power in this country. I sympathise with some of my brothers and sisters that are actually struggling …
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, I heard, He is a newbie.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Don’t take the bait.
Mr. Jason Hayward I am not taking bait, but what I am going to do is lay a marker, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair you will be all right.
Mr. Jason Hayward Mr. Speaker, I am newly elec ted, but while I represent the current Government , I also aim to represent future governments. Bermuda House of Assembly [Desk thumping]
Mr. Jason Hayward Thank you, Mr. Speaker . [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hayward. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Dunkley. I think you — looked like you were on your feet, would you like to contribute at this time? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speak er. Good afternoon to you …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —good afternoon to co lleagues and to the listening audience. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak on this economic debate. And as I start my comments, let me say, Mr. Speaker, that I have no intention of dealing with …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to me. Speak to me, speak to me. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —and you keep talking about the challenges that we face and you keep tal king and working for the people of Berm uda. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member who spoke just before me asked, What do we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because it is not. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because that makes no sense. There have been . . . I have seen 20 budgets. There have been countless more budgets in the hist ory of Bermuda. And for me to stand up here and to say something that drastic is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Did you read it? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —because he is a sens ible person. I hear the cat call from somebody on the other side, Did I read it? I would not be standing—
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair and you will be all right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —up here today if I did not read all the information.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, Mr. Speaker, I do speak to the Chair, but when nonsense comes from some quarters, you got to push it back.
The Speaker The Speaker It is all right. Speak this way. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You got to push it back, right. Did I read it? Come on, Did I read it? The Honourable Member always likes to refer to Hansard and when you refer back, it is not there. So that shows how …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Statistics. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Statistics —some bac kground, just like I do, just like many Member s in this House do. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But when you look at our economy, Mr. Speaker, the vast driver of our economy right now is international business. International bus …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is rhetoric. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is not rhetoric. It is truth. And you know w hat? Truth hurts. Truth hurts. So, Mr. Speaker, we need to make sure that the principal sector of our economy, if we are going to keep our head above water and for …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He is making it seem as though the OBA helped create jobs at the airport when they had no Bermudian clause there. Actually, it was the PLP, under myself at the Airport Authority, that made sure that 65 per cent of all jobs …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is a load of rubbish, Mr. Speaker .
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is not rubbish. It is fact. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The honourable colleague is down there trying to sound like he has done it all, but he was not appointed there until after the election and that project was already moving on. So, Mr. Speaker , if …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker . Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Honourable Member is misleading the House. Prior to myself going down to the Airport A uthority they had no clause in place. We actually had to do an optimisation agreement where we renegotiated certain parts of the project agreement because their team forgot to put certain necessary clauses and …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, well, we will see what happens. But I am allowing you to go on now. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker He will have his opportunity to clarify. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Put another minute more on the clock because I watched it. It was 59 seconds, Mr. Speaker . But here we are. We are getting back to that narrative. See, you know, the Government likes to talk about code. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And we trained her! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: One of our best emplo yees. And he said and we trained her ! The Honourable Member takes credit for everything. Sometimes he should keep his mouth zipped. The point being is that how can you be against Bermudians when you work …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order. Point of order. You had to go there, so I am going to reply.
The Speaker The Speaker You can let that roll until you get to your feet, you know. You do not have to get baited in every time, you know.
Mr. Christopher Famous No, it is not baiting in, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Do not let him bait you in. You are g oing to be on your feet later. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous It is clarity for the people of Bermuda. The BELCO job—specialists had to come in. There were certain jobs that Bermudians are not able— you build a power station once every hundred years. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous All right? Right. [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker, so the fact of the matter is that a hole can easily be shot into numbers, especially if they are not airtight. Now, let me get to the budget and the ec onomic debate. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? Hon. Michael J. Scott: —indicate the source of the last set of interesting statistics that he has shared with the House. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am happy to. Anchor I nvestment Management —and I will give a copy of it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, I have already talked about another view on our economy, about some numbers that show concern, about confidence, about retail sales, about emigration. Just look at the number of street people and homeless people that we have now, Mr. Speaker . That is …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Can I . . . I believe the Honourable Member , intentionally, or unintentionally, is causing great harm. He referred to a term that is used very negatively —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —amongst the black community. And I would ask him to respectfully wit hdraw that comment. You referred to “crabs in a bar-rel.” It gives strong overtones and I do not feel comfortable with it, and I am sure the Honourable Member would not want to be associated with using that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —no intention in that way, in any way, to the Honourable Member , but in a small community, when the going gets tough —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker , he is just wasting my time right now —
The Speaker The Speaker One second, one second. He w as just about to clarify himself on it. Give him a minute to clarify himself.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No, he was referring to it personally. It is a greater concern than that, Mr. Speaker, and if the Honourable Member cannot accept that, I feel duty -bound to make the point.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan It speaks to the crux of the problems we have.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member . He had not had a chance to finish saying what he was going to say. I was waiting to see how he clarified himself. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker, if I o ffended the Member , or any Member in any way, I apologise …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But he did a good job of wasting a minute. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Continue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker, there are a couple of other things that I want to refer to. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You can have a minute of my time! [Laughter]
Mr. Hu bert (Kim) E. Swan You can have two minutes of mine! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker The clock is controlled here. Let him finish up, please. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I will not have time in my 2 minutes and 40 seconds l eft to talk about health care, but my colleagues will. But I do want to talk about government organisations that operate …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: It is not a matter that is not subject for speculation. Mr. Speaker, the CEO gave his reasons and publi cly stated these reasons. He wanted to do som ething different and go into the private sector. If that were not …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Minister . . . I am sure the Minister will clarify when he gets on his feet after this. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, in the 27 seconds that I have left —
The Speaker The Speaker Twenty -five. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will say that is balde rdash by the Honourable Minister , and here is why, because the CEO is the CEO — Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker , Mr. Speaker, with the greatest of respect , that Member must retract that I am …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Member s. Take a seat a minute. Take your seat, both of you. The debate does not need to be getting on a personal level now. I have sat most of my time this morning pretty quiet, pretty quiet. We are almost to the end, we have a minute …
The Speaker The Speaker You got one minute left on that clock. 3142 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will put it a different way. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, with the greatest— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member— Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait — Hon. Wayne Caines: —that statement.
The Speaker The Speaker Let him finish. Let him start, let him start. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: If the Honourable Member was upset by my [comments], I retract them and I say I totally disagree with the Honourable Member ’s comments. And here is why: because I view Kevin Dallas as a very professional …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for using up your minute. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Minister Foggo. You have the floor. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, good day, Mr. Speaker, I am happy to stand on my feet and speak to the great things that this Government …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Why? Hon. Lovi tta F. Foggo: And if that is to seek . . . and I am getting to that. And if that is to seek a better life, then that tells us as a Government that we should be—and we are—focused on trying to remedy that. And having …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How much did the pool cost? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: He wants to go back 20 years. What did they do?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, no, no. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Right. So, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: This Government ensured that we put the requisite amount of money in place to be able to adequately take care of that facility so that our young athletes can go there and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How much? Ho n. Lovitta F. Foggo: This year, I believe it is 1.7 per cent.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It’s] 1.2. Ho n. Lovitta F. Foggo: Whatever it is, it is an increase, and they did not do that. In fact, they took from seniors. [Inaudible interjections] Ho n. Lovitta F. Foggo: They took from seniors. They blamed us, Mr. Speaker — Ho n. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Yes, Member, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. P atricia J. G ordon- Pamplin: Thank y ou, Mr . Speaker. The Honourable Member is not taking into consideration . . . she is misleading the House. She is not taking into consideration …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister, continue— Ho n. Lovitta F. Foggo: This from a Government that increased the budget, doubled the budget . . . I mean, doubled the debt in their four years. I think that she is— Ho n. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Ho n. Lovitta …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: That same Government is the Government who found money for a rich man’s sport called the America’s Cup , who— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: —who found $350 million to pay to a Canadian organisation, and yet they were in so much debt and …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? POINT OF ORDE R [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is just entirely misleading the House. But if the Honourable Member if talking about the 30- year payment back for people using their own money to build a hotel when they left no money in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —or out of the hospital budget.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Point made. [Gavel] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And her comments are nonsense. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Point made. Minister? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Speaker —Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: I will repeat for the listening public: the OBA Government doubled the debt in four years. That says it all. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: This Government is laser f ocused on making certain that we create a fairer and better Bermuda for all …
The Speaker The Speaker I am waiting to see what your point of order is. She — POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House, because what she has to acknowledge— and what she is failing to acknowledge —is the fact that they also . . …
The Speaker The Speaker That was . . . Minister , continue on. Continue on, Ministe r. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They doubled the debt in four years. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to me, Ministe r. Speak this way. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: And we are about creating a fairer and better Bermuda, and we are making certain in this next fiscal year our Bermudians will have more money in their pocket to participate in this economy. [Inaudible i nterjections] …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member wants to — [Inaudible inter jections]
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Opposition Whip.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, I would like to take a slightly different tack.
The Speaker The Speaker Please do.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I would like to see things from the perspective of the taxpayer. One of the things that I have been noticing, and it is coming through conversation as well as observation, is that for the first time I am really noticing that the people who I am wor king …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, yeah.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And there was a long conversati on [in a] room of 120 maximum fully loaded, a couple of sessions explaining to staff what this health insurance premium would do. And at this point, it was way before talking about any of the reforms that are coming. This was around the …
The Speaker The Speaker Let us take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I believe the Member is unintentionally misleading the House. I will refer her to page 30 of the Budget Statement in which we refer to funding for community mental health programmes as part …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member She read the crib notes for the —
The Speaker The Speaker Member, you have the floor.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member She read the crib notes. She did not read that. [Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, that is DCFS as I recall, Mr. Speaker . I did not see any numbers next to any —
The Speaker The Speaker Ah— Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I will correct her again . I will read the words specifically: Ministry of Health funding for community health programmes and i ncreased grant funding.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member She read the crib notes.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Right, so on page 12 there are six points and in the first two points, first three points, there is a specific allocation for the Town of St. George’s , there is $2 million for community club d evelopment. There is $1.5 million for fishing. But there is not any …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —for individuals to try to i gnore— [Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —the difficu lty in continuing to live in this Island and having to be facing these costs of living. Government . . . I do not know, and I guess I am half saying this for the Hansard, but when we were debating the communication cables and we were tal …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Deputy Premier. Deputy, you have the flo or. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure to make my contribution to this economic debate before we go into our full -fledged dissection, examination of this budget. I wish …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Point of order, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I believe the Honourable Member is inadver tently misleading the House. What he is saying is that the Minister has indicated that he has put things in the budget and he …
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will continue, Mr. Speaker. I am sure that the Honourable Member will be able to go through here [and do a] very, you know, effective dissection when we get to the Committee of Supply, and raise those eloquent points at that point. But we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Amen! Hon. Walter H. Roban: —for its capital, for its infr astructure development.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say that again! Hon. Walter H. Roban: A million dollars for the Town of St. George’s.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Hon. Walter H. Roban: To invest in its infrastructure, to improve aspects of the St. George’s infrastructure which have actuall y been degrading. It has not seen the investment. St. George’s itself, as we know, is challenged as a community to raise revenue for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The cost of electricity which is something we have been addressing. And I as the Minister responsible for regulatory affairs, of which electricity and telecommunications are a part of, which are regulated independently, have given great atte ntion to this. I am excited about what …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: These are some of the Government’s priorities, helping the average person. Right? Yes, people should pay their debt, but they should not be persecuted because of debt. They should not be persecuted by the bank to pay their mortgage or to satisfy their obligations. They …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member Ben Smith. Honour able Member, you h ave the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mr. Ben Smith I would like to start off by thanking the Minister and his team for providing this budget. In a time when there is quite a bit of pressure in our Island, it is important that we have a balanced hand, and the tone set by the Honourable Minister, followed on …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
Mr. Ben Smith I attended his pre- budget talk. And it was important that he spoke not just of all of the pos itive things, but of the potential pitfalls that we have as a country , because I think it is important that we give our population the knowledge of exactly what …
Mr. Ben Smith They do not want us to waste our time bickeri ng is what I am saying. They want us to get together and try to come up with solutions for the country. The difficulty that the Minister had is that we have one pie —a pie that has been baked …
Mr. Ben Smith No, it is not really roc ket science. So we need to figure out a way to support them and we cannot just quickly dismiss the fact that this sector is not our sector, because we are all attached. Right? We have to take care of all of it. And …
Mr. Ben Smith The problem is we have to understand those connections. So now when we reach this year and we decide that we are going to remove some payroll tax and give a little bit of relief, understand that it is because of the pressure that has been built in those couple …
Mr. Ben Smith I am not saying don’t do it. I am sa ying that at the moment we cannot afford it. Look at the budget. Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith So, moving forward. The problem that we have is that comments are made on things like health care. So this is the i ssue. When statements are made that we do not really care about the reduction, that is painting everybody with a brush. It does not make any sense. …
Mr. Ben Smith It is actually super important that we do that because we have a very unhealthy population. That is our real problem. So when we have a sugar tax that has been put in we are told that we are doing it for the health of our population, I am 100 …
Mr. Ben Smith So, the issue is this. Because of it, our people . . . the second the word “immigration” comes up, the scar s get picked. That is what causes it. The emotional level goes up immediately. So this is the difficulty. You hear people talk about bringing people into the …
Mr. Ben Smith That is because we are measured. We are taking our time.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tell him again.
Mr. Ben Smith Listen, for me, this is about the pr ogress of our country. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith I am not dealing with the pointing of fingers. Our country is too important. [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan , Acting Speaker, in the Chair]
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair.
Mr. Ben Smith I will. Our count ry is too important. The future of this country is too important. The young people in this country are tired of politics as politics is right now. They are tired of it; they do not want to hear it. They are done with us. And the …
Mr. Ben Smith We have people in Bermuda who are sacrificing their hard- earned money to send their kids away to school for that same child to then say to them, I am not coming home. I am not coming back. They are not going to be there to take care of their …
Mr. Ben Smith It is not doom and gloom; it is reality. Bermuda House of Assembly And that is the thing that I started with because it is important that the Finance Minister was measured when he was talking. This is not rai nbows and it is not the end of the world. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Come on! Come on! [Laughter]
Mr. Ben Smith If we do not figure out how to get along with each other; if we do not figure out how to have a plan that is for everybody. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith And not just rhetoric. And not just pointing fingers. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith Because that is what we really need to be doing. The population is tired of just the noise. We have to figure out how, as a community, together, no matter whether you are from Front Street or Back o’ Town, whether you have a big bank account or no bank …
Mr. Ben Smith And that does not have anything to do with this side or that side. And understand that this same problem happens for our international business. They cannot get the bank account either. So, let’s solve those problems together. [Desk thumpi ng]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fishing and farming. Come on, Ben. I know you like swimming, but, come on. [Crosstalk]
The Acting Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. Mr. Acting Speaker, first I would like to congratulate the Finance Minister. [Crosstalk] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I’m sorry. Put it to 45. [Crosstalk and laughter ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Go ahead, Derrick. Another Hon. Member : Forty -five seconds.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Go ahead, Derrick . Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, the visual was 45 seconds. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting Speaker, first I want to congratulate the Finance Minister for this budget which I figure, in my opinion, is the best budget I am seeing in 30 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Just like the last speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting Speaker, when this . . . this . . . the cover of their Reply . . . I would lik e to look at you when I am talking, Mr. Acting Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I will listen to you. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Acting Speaker, as you see on—
The Acting Speaker The Speaker My apologies. Continue on. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. When you see on their Reply, they have got “CLOSING DOWN.” This does not send a good message to anybody. [If] anybody sees this they say, Oh, Bermuda is closing down. 3160 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But one must realise that . . . I am a supporter of the local business because it has been said, and it has been said many times, if you do not support it, local jobs are in jeopardy. But you have g …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Less than that. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Less than that, they tell me. Well, if you have got somebody making low wages, I understand it, even though I am not a prop onent of it because we are putting local jobs at risk, but we do underst and it. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They don’t care. They don’t have to pay it. Hon. Derrick V. Burg ess, Sr.: They do not care because they do not have to pay for it. Mrs. Smith and [Mrs.] Jones and Ms . Archibald have got to pay for it. They really do not care. Now, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I wonder. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I think most people know. Now, Mr. Acting Speaker, when it comes to wasting money, because I see in the Reply about overruns and this and that, the Government of the day then spent $4.4 million to pay a law firm to w …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member LeighFisher. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: LeighFisher. Mr. Acting Speaker, both of them said . . . Deloitte said, Well, you should have a business plan before you sign a contract. They did not have that. [LeighFisher] said, You don’t enter into a 30- year agreement without any variance. None …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And they did special reports despite . . . one place they audited was BLDC. Despite what was done there by the Chair and the Deputy, even with a leading law firm’s report that ev erything was done in accordance with the by -laws …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who was the Minister? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Minister Trevor Moniz.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh, no! No! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Kicked them off White’s Island. No, no— Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Now, Mr. Acting Speaker. Point of order. Hon. Derrick V . Burgess, Sr.: —legitimate reason. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: We are not here to discuss —
The Acting Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: We are not here to discuss political corruption. I would be happy t o do a debate 3162 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly on political corruption that I found when I …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. Derrick V. Bur gess, Sr.: —the Redemption Farm is included in the budget. So I am certainly on good ground. I think I know the rules quite well. But Trevor Moniz kicked them off that . . . for . . . what he says, Oh, the …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House again. I did a very thorough investigation of what had been done and the end result was it was ruled on by a court of law. And there was …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Member. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I can tell you, that Member could not embarrass me because I know Derrick Burgess’s name is in the gutter with him so you cannot take me any lower than that. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. That’s okay. That is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, no! Some Hon. Mem bers: Oh, my goodness. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Lost them to the streets.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is why we make investments in our people. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And those 52 children over there did not cost them a dime. It was being f inanced by donations from not only black people, white people also were helping to finance that there. Food and everything …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Same one. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: He wants to talk about corruption? Boy, come on. As he said, it is true. He likes to say, he will do it again. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Acting Speaker, yes, I did sort out a terrible mess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, do not speak until you have been acknowledged. Would you like to — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes. Point of order.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Point of order? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker What is the point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House once again, telling all sorts of untruths about what was happening up there at Doc kyard. I had to sort out a dreadful situation left …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting Speaker, how did he sort it out? He sorted it out by turning the water off. That is how he sorted it out.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Anyhow, Mr. Acting Speaker, in the Reply to the budget they talk about overruns. And, yes, Mr. Dunkley said, Yes, too much was spent at Heritage Wharf. He is right. When the improvements to Heritage Wharf were executed under Minister Trevor Moniz, it went …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: [It was] $6 million over budget! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Acting Speaker. Point of order! Point of order! [Inaudible interjections]
The Acting Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Acting Speaker, he is mi sleading the House. After the negligent job that was done by that Government and we found out all those piles were full of sand instead of concrete, we had to …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting Speaker, I would ask you to have that Member withdraw that statement! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order! Point of order, Mr. Acting Speaker.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, can you withdraw that statement — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is not even a crime.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker —criminal — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and political corruption. It must be withdrawn.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Acting Speaker, you only to read the Auditor’s report, but I will withdraw it to keep you happy, but it in the Auditor’s report.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker No, you are withdrawing it because I have asked you to withdraw. It is not to keep me happy. Hon. Tre vor G. Moniz: I am withdrawing it because you are telling me to withdraw it.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I invite people to read the A uditor General’s reports on all of those projects.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker You have made your point. If you would like to make a speech, get to . . . rise to your [feet] at the appropriate time. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I will. I will.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting S peaker, despite what he says, it went over budget by $6 mi llion.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Where is the Auditor’s report for that? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: There is no Auditor’s report! Never! There were no special reports in the five years they were in Gover nment. The Auditor General went mute! Never said a word! Not a word! And that Auditor General comes under …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Overrun! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: A $24 million contract costs $30 million under Minister Trevor Moniz. Yes. Mr. Acting Speaker, I am sure when they talk about overruns — [Crosstalk and laughter ] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: This is coming from out of here. When they talk about …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Order! I would like to hear the Member. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: When we talk about overruns . . . now, under the PLP Government, a hundred units of housing at Dockyard were contracted for $36 million. Well, it finished under the OBA Gover nment, 20 units built for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say it ain’t so.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Another Hon. Member: Political corruption. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: [It was] $1.25 million per unit, and there is not even a swimming pool out there.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Where is the Auditor’s report? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting Speaker, Mr. Moniz is right to call for the Auditor’s report because there is none. That is why he calls for it. There is no report. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I would like to see one. Hon. Der …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Aah! Hon. De rrick V. Burgess, Sr.: You can call that rubbish all you want. I have the tape and many other people have the tape to prove it!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! A video tape! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And Mr. Acting Speaker, you know, it is kind of . . . it is d ifficult. I am a forgiving person. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: My heart is . . . in my heart is Christian. And I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Authority. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Authority. Mr. Acting Speaker, let me look at this here. We have got 2,600 rooms in the country. And we are paying $400,000- plus-plus bonuses. We cannot even [achieve] an annual occupancy of 75 per cent, and these folks are getting bonuses. But, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Amen. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, S r.: But it does not give you the right to go over budget $6 million–– by 25 per cent. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, yes. You got to watch that. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, point of order.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. They were over budget $15 million. I was only over budget $6 [million]. And my wharf did not fall apart; theirs fell apart in the first storm that came …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Member. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Acting Speaker, let me say this here. He has taken me somewhere that I was not going. 3166 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter]
The Acting Speaker The Speaker You have a minute and a half. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, I can do it with that. Mr. Acting Speaker, that wharf was built for, I think it was $54 million, even with the over budget —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It was] $60 million. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Okay. $60 million. That’s great. Let’s say $65 million.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, no. $60 million. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Whatever he wants to say, right? But guess what? It paid itself off in three years.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Less than three years. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Less than three years! How can you complain about that, Mr. Acting Speaker? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: How should you complain about that? When you invest $60 million, and it pays itself off in three years . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is parliamentary language. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, S r.: One should not be using that language in this House. So, Mr. Acting Speaker, let me finish how I started. Again, I want to congratulate . . . and I think this Finance Minister that we have now is probably …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member care to speak? The Chair recognises the Honourable and Learned Member from Smith’s [West], Mr. Moniz. Mr. Moniz, you have the floor. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. I guess there has been a lot of praise that has …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Moniz, speak to me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There is a point of order. POINT O F ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He just said that the Finance Minister knew Caroline Bay was coming. I can assure you that the Finance Minister and nobody in …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Honourable Member. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. We will ignore that and say that they knew problems were coming. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, unfortunately, there is a lot of problem s here which we have to face in this country. And, you know, we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Let’s have one meeting Members, I am trying to listen to the Honourable Member. He has got a contribution. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. Mr. Deputy Speaker, you know, humour aside, and any revisiting of history, ancient or modern aside, we are in a tough position. We can argue …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: But we have this problem. We are still down to one day a week trash collection. We still have problems with the buses. There are still delays on the buses. These are all the everyday items that we are still ha ving problems with that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Any other Members? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Neville Tyrell. Mr. Tyrell, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and good evening all. I thank you for the opportunity that you have given me to participate in this debate this evening. I say this evening. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I will do my best to be brief. There is a lot of stuff that I had on my list of notes which have already been said and addressed. But there are a few points that I do want to address and they come out of my experiences of knocking …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I will go back. I will. I had not intended, but I have changed my mind. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Neville S. T yrrell And since, Mr. Deputy Speaker . . . and the reason why I have decided to just say a few things about it, is because the Shadow Finance Minister spent 50 minutes reading this 20- page doc ument. And I really did not get excited until she, the Honourab le …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Yes, you may.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell —to quote from the Reply to the budget, Mr. Deputy Speaker. O n page 16, there was a quote, which says: “W e are fully supportive of the government’s budget allocation commitment to look out for our vulnerable young people who have aged out of the DCFS system through the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What page are you on, Member.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Page 20. The Deputy Speaker: [Page] 20.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell “The Finance Minister has stated that the country is best served if the pettiness of politics is avoided. We agree wholeheartedly . . . .” Well, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for a side that talks about Kumbaya, a lot, I am not going to say any more than that. [Laughter]
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I am not going to say anymore on that. I am going to move on. I am going to get to points that I wanted to talk about in terms of this budget. I want to congratulate the Finance Minister and his team for putting together . . . because …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Deputy Speaker, you have my attention?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, talk to me, cousin.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Okay. A s it speaks to their needs and the needs of all Bermuda. He has offered tax cuts that will assist 75 per cent of those persons who are earning less than $96[,000] annually. And that is going to be a boon to a lot of the people certainly …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell But at least there is an extra, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am talking directly to you. I am trying to anyway. But I am being distracted.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Do not be distracted by others.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell No, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In fact, let me say, that the reason why I probably critiqued the Reply to the Budget Statement is because that same Honourable Member has always preached doom and gloom anyway. Always! She, the Honourable Member appeared to have some sol utions in the— Hon. Patricia …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Ma’am? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He says I always preach doom and gloom. No, what the Honourable Member has to appreciate is that we speak the truth. And it may not be …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, H onourable Member.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am very comfortable in my skin, Honourable Member; I have no problem with that. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Minister has also thought of small and medium -sized businesses with many of the lower paid employees having to pay less tax. So, again, that is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any further speakers? There appear to be none. I was ready to put the gavel down. You have to come along pretty quick. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Renee Ming from St. George’s. Ms. Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good evening, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and listening audience.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Bring it on. Bring it on.
Mrs. Renee Ming I do not intend to be long, but I would like to add my comments to this discussion this evening. First of all, I have said this in many of my budget speeches, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and that is that budgets are about more than just numbers. They are actually …
Mrs. Renee Ming And so when we get down to the nitty-gritty of it, we really have to think about the i mpact on the people of the budgets that are put forth. So when I looked at this year’s budget . . . I do not think that anything is ever going …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is anybody.
Mrs. Renee Ming No, I do think that every Minister of Finance does the best, Mr. Deputy Speaker. So I would like to thank him because I believe that it is thoughtful.
Mrs. Renee Ming I think that it is a somewhat caring budget as well, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Mrs. Renee Ming I do believe it is a challenging budget because I think we are living in challenging times. 3172 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly And so the real . . . it is not really a trick, but it is the balancing. So you are balancing …
Mrs. Renee Ming Okay? And so I have constituents who, based on the budget items for the payroll tax, will save more than $10. I do not have my glasses on but I am going to look at it here. I am looking at the . . . I took the $48,000 threshold. …
Mrs. Renee Ming Okay? $960 —that is not a drop in the bucket. That is not a drop in the bucket! That is not even a drop . . . I mean, I do not know how, as they say in my young people’s world, I don’t know how you are balling and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is that? About $18 a week?
Mrs. Renee Ming [It is] $960 divided by . . . I said by 12, if you want to look at it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, do 52 because Ms. Smith gets paid by the week.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s $18 bucks. The Deputy Speaker: About $18 bucks? That is what I figured, a week. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming So a loaf of bread and some milk. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming Almond milk. I can get some eggs too. Fi nd around at Arnold’s, they only cost $1.39. But in any case, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I say all of that to say that I know that the feedback that I have received has been positive from some of those persons who …
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes, I am alw ays optimistic, right? Because whether we like it or not, whether you sit on this side or that side, if Bermuda does well, we all do well.
Mrs. Renee Ming Okay? And if Bermuda does well, our people do well; each and every one of your co nstituents. So we can give the normal banter back and forth and stuff like that, but at the end of the day if Bermuda does well, then we all do well. I would …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you.
Mrs. Renee Ming All right. Because sometimes when we go through these booklets, and I encourage people, I tell my constituents, Go through it. I print them off and give them both, because sometimes you have to really take the time to see what is in it for you. Right? And I say, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Member.? 3174 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: The Honourable Member is perhaps inadvertently, but she is misleading. What I referred to specifically was Members on their side complaining that the …
Mrs. Renee Ming Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I n any case, immigration is one of those ones [issues] where you must proceed with caution. [Crosstalk]
Mrs. Renee Ming And not a caution of fear, Mr. Deputy Speaker, one of respect. And when you say “respect” for me, when I think of immigration, I think of . . . you touched on it in your words tonight. And it is the history of what immigration stands for for some …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One eighty -five. The Deputy Speaker: One eighty -five.
Mrs. Renee Ming Actually, it is $185 [million] — The Deputy Speake r: Yes.
Mrs. Renee Ming —if you include the interest and payments. Mr . Deputy Speaker, when you become the Government you do not get —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, can you talk into the microphone? Sometimes I have problems hearing you.
Mrs. Renee Ming Sure. Mr. Deputy Speaker, when you take over the Government you do not always know what it going to come. My colleague actually said, When you took over the Government, you knew that it was coming. No, we could not have known that. Okay? And you should no t have …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The principals of Morgan’s Point, Caroline Bay, had meetings with the Government very soon after they took over the Go vernment in 2017. And it is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Honourable Member. [Crosstalk]
Mrs. Renee Ming Thank you. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just think sometimes people just have to stand up because I said, when you take over a Government you — The Deputy Speake r: Members, I would like to hear the Member at the back, please.
Mrs. Renee Ming I said, when you take over a Government you cannot know. So I am not talking about the meetings that might have happened in the first Bermuda House of Assembly one or two months after you become the Government. I said on day one, when you take over the Gover …
Mrs. Renee Ming Mr. Deputy Speaker, all I am sa ying is that things like that, that is the thoughtfulness side of it. Right? Because that money is not mine. Right? It is not yours either. It is the people’s. So when we are managing their money, it goes . . . we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Renee Ming I definitely would not leave out St. George’s. I am thankful for the $1 million whi ch would be for the capital spending and within the town and local communities, and I look forward to working with the Government on making recommendations on how that money should and could be …
Mrs. Renee Ming Okay? [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming He chose that. He could have gone, I’m going aroun d the corner. Right? But the boat was sinking right there so he came up in St. George’s. And despite what each and every one of you say in this room, St. George’s is where it all star ted. [Inaudible …
Mrs. Renee Ming Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am not li stening to that other commentary, you know, whatever they want to talk about. You and I both know what the fact is.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I am listening to you. I agree with you.
Mrs. Renee Ming Gates Bay is where it all started. Okay? The Depu ty Speaker: Yes.
Mrs. Renee Ming So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I look forward to seeing marina legislation this year for St. George’s. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I look forward to World Heritage Site management’s legislation for St. George’s. I look forward to seeing improvements to the St. George’s Community Centre. Really, and I say it all the …
Mrs. Renee Ming I look forward to road paving in St. George’s. I look forward to an extension of the CC[TV] system in St. George’s. And while I am on my feet, I would also like to acknowledge . . . because we have a newspaper in St. George’s, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is the Honourable Renee Webb [sic]. Some Hon. Member s: Ming.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Renee Ming. I’m sorry. She is from the home of the 2020 Cup Match Champions in St. George’s. [Desk thumping]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Whoa!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Ho nourable Member Cole Simons.
Mr. N. H. Co le Simons Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this has been a very 3176 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly interesting day. The Budget Debate is always a very interesting event. Mr. Deputy Speaker, a lot has been said but I am going to take a …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Deputy Speaker, the F inance Minister’s budget started off with a comment about zero- based budgeting. And he basically said this year he re- introduced zero- based budgeting. And I said to myself, Well, well, well! What happened? What happened to the past two years? I do remember, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow! Another Hon. Member: All right! [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That’s my cousin.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Deputy Speaker, just bear with me, please. The Deputy Spea ker: Yes, we will.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The other issue that I think needs to be addressed in regard to our economy and our government is that capital should be allocated for industries so that we can find a way to address cl imate change and the threats that go along with cl imate change. Mr. Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The farm s in the summertime are being compromised. Our produce has been compromised through hurricanes. The farmers lose mi llions and millions of revenue. And we need to do our best and craft a strategy, as a Government, to ad-dress climate change in this country. It is something that …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? [Inau dible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I only work there.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We thought you were a shar eholder.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am looking at this Union Deposit Company and, despite the fact that I would love to see it succeed, we had a Union Deposit Company once before in this country. And it had its challenges and, as a consequence, it wound up. I understand that the Minister has committed …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I know Cayman has more banks, but Cayman has more capital. They have more businesses. They have more revenue. Their economic pie is larger than Bermuda and continues to grow.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And [they are] on the blacklist.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons But they will get off like we got off too.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, they won’t.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons You mark my word. They will get off within the next six months.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as I said, in principle, there may be merit in having the Union Deposit Company. And I will be watching attentively to see how things progress. As I said, it is not just local legislation that one has to adhere to, the institution will have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Take your time. Take your time. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We’ve got a lot of time.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member All the time in the world.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Did that, did that, just bear with me, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Oh, family Office legislation. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I do not understand why the Minister put this in. He knows better than anyone else that we a have family office in Bermuda, and we have had a family office in …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Deputy Speaker, in that regard . . . I have 10 seconds. Bermuda must tackle the top- line economic growth, resolve Bermuda’s i mmigration challenges — [Timer beeps] [Gavel]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Sit down, Mr. Simons. —
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —address shortfalls, and pensions —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Take your seat, Mr. Simons.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —and health care. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Simons, take you seat. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Lawrence Scott.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It has been entertaining so far. And, Mr. Depu ty Speaker, I would ask if you know what “trans3180 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly verse orientation” is, but you and I have already had this conversation so I know you …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott However, for those in the listening audience who might not be aware, trans-verse orientation is keeping a fixed angle on a distant source of light for orientation. All right? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawren ce Scott Simply stated, Mr. Deputy Speaker, transverse orientation is what attracts a moth to a flame.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. I am quite aware.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So regardless of how stupid we think it is to see a moth seemingly voluntarily fly into a fire . . . it is something we find silly, it is som ething we find stupid and nonsensical, but at least it is something that we can explain— which is more …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, let’s try to keep Mr. Ric hards out of that. He is happily retired.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott But Mr. Deputy Speaker —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Just say the former Minister, the former Finance Minister.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The former Finance Minister. I would love to keep him out of it, but his mistakes are our problems today.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Just keep his name out of it.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Oh, keep his name out. Sure. Sure. Let me explain. The Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin has asked repeatedly this afternoon, Well, what did PLP do between 2003 and 2007?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Do tell.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And Mr. Deputy Speaker, successive PLP administrations led by Premier Jennifer Smith, Premier Alex Scott, Premier Dr. Ewart Brown, increased air arri vals by 15 per cent. What they also ended up doing, Mr. Deputy Speaker, was that they not [only] created, [they] presided and go verned over Bermuda’s most …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott In history! Right? And so therefore I hear the Honourable Member GordonPamplin trying to throw water on the flame that is the PLP and our illustrious history in governing this [country]. [General uproar ]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Some thing that her party was never able to do! [Gavel] [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And Mr. Deputy Speaker, coming off of a 20- year low — ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE DEPUTY SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Scott, can you just hold up for a second. I just want to acknowledge two of my personal friends who have to go the bed. It is my cousin, Nia, and my cousin, Ed Burt. And they are off to the bed. [Desk thumping] [Debate on the Budget Statement …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, the Honourable Member Mr. Scott. You are so kind.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you. Mr. Deputy Speaker. The PLP administration, consecutive PLP administrations under the leadership of Jennifer Smith, Alex Scott, Dr. Ewart Brown reversed a 20- year low in tourism. And how did they do that? They did that by introducing low cost air carriers. And so, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And the 1Hansard shows that in a debate around the airport, the Minister of F inance said, and I quote, “In that other thing with the hospital, the Government is on the hook for the pa yments. But nobody in Bermuda knows the details of that. I do not even …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And I hear the Honourable Gordon- Pamplin say, Oh Lord. If she took more notes, she might be better at what she is doing. Right? [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So therefore, the thing is that it was not until I went down to the Airport Author ity Board to find out that her Minister of Finance, in the Cabinet that she sat in —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Honourable Member.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —the Honourable Member sat in, [and they] overlooked this clause that they made a promise to the country and everybody else, they did not put it in the project agreement. So that meant that for years, from the time that we passed the Bermuda Airport Authority Act to the time …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Alex [sic].
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And that is what we should have done, and that is what I would have done, and that is what I told them they could have done. They could have even taken my —they talk all the time, Oh, we want to work with you, we want to work together, …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And so with the work that the Airport Authority has done, we now have, let us just say, multiple irons in the fire. We have irons in the fire regarding routes and possible a ir service from Europe, North America, the Caribbean; new routes from, I will just say jurisdictions; …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There is a point of order. What is your point of order, Mr. Moniz? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. I read the Budget Speech very carefully. But I must have skipped this section. So, yes, you will have to go over it with me. I did …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Continue.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I find it very, very ironic that this Honourable Member would get up and talk about, he did not see it in the Budget Debate [sic]. Right? One— [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Not in the speech, in the Budget Statement, not …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Right. But he did not see it in the Budget Statement. So that means that he has not gone into the Budget Book and looked under the Mi nistry of Tourism and Transport to look under the Bermuda Airport Authority’s grant for $16 million that i ncludes air service development. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Mr. Moniz? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: My point was that if it were as large and important as he says it is, I would have thought that the Honourable Finance Minister would have it in the Budget Statement. He is stating …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Mr. Alex [sic] Scott. Bermuda House of Assembly [Crosstalk]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am going to go back just for the slower Members in the room and just say that —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, Member. We are all honourable, whether slow or fast. Do not refer to —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, for the Honourable slower Members in the room. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, no. N o, no. Honourable Member! Let us not do that. Let us keep it up here, right? Please refer to the Honourable Members. No other adjectives, please.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It is interesting that the Honourable Members on the other s ide like to try to use the airport as a political football, even though they are the ones who deflated that ball in the first place. They are the ones who are using an American …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Talk to me. Just talk to me, Alex [sic].
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And this is the point that I am making. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Lawrence.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh, I thought it was Alex. [Laughter]
Mr. W. Lawrenc e Scott Mr. Deputy Speaker, r emember that pin that I talked about back when we were talking about King’s Wharf in the early 2000s? And it is because of it we, instead of looking at things as a challenge, the PLP administration looked at them as opportunit ies. It is because …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So, Mr. Speaker, it is interesting that Isaiah 44:8 says, “Fear ye not, neither be afraid . . . . ” Neither be afraid. And the reason why I say that is because, unl ike the OBA would like to have you believe —that hope is not lost —there is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Preach, brother, preach.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, I have yet to hear someone say that, You know what? We are going to look at the Department of Statistics numbers, which show that employment is up, which show the strength in the economy, which shows the growth in our economy. And they do not even . …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, unlike the OBA, which had millions of dollars go missing under their watch, had monies go missing under their watch, right? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Unlike the OBA, who put profits over people, who told members that money does not grow on trees and said, You know what, seniors? We are going to take away from you so we can then put on an event. We are going to leave you hol ding the bag. …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He is making this palaver . . . and I am not suggesting that he has not done a good job at the Ai rport Authority. So I …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, that is interes ting that he brings that up, and it is three minutes that I have left. In the project agreement that that Cabinet signed, it does not . . . this Government and successive governments do not have the ability to withhold any immigration permits that …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House! If they were a party who did not rubberstamp, how did we end up with Arbitrade and these various white elephants?
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: Mr. Speaker, going back to the airport —
The Speaker The Speaker Stick to your point.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott This is a party, this is a Go vernment, this is an administration that is putting Ber-mudians first. The reason you are hear ing so much pushback from the Opposition now is that the haves are starting to have to pay more while the have- nots are having more. Right? …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Moniz. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The Government itself has said that, you know, droves of these people at the lower economic scale are leaving because of gang warfare.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, it is interesting that after speeches were made in this House about price gougi ng, that prices dropped in the grocery stores a week later, which meant that either it is irony, ironic coincidence or they finally found out of what they were actually doing. And the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Pearman. Mr. Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before I start what I would like to say about the Budget Debate, the last speaker was talking about facts and getting them right and said some rather remarkable things about air arrivals. So I would jus t direct his attention to the website …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Looking at that air arrival chart, I do not even have to look at it. I know that in 2014 it indicates the lowest air arrivals in Bermudian history on that ch art—2014 was under the OBA A dministration [and] 2013 was not much higher than that. So therefore, what …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Pearman, continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. The Honourabl e Member may wish to remind himself when it was in fact that the OBA created the BTA and when air arr ivals started to go up. But I leave it there. Mr. Speaker, let me now turn to— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order, Premier. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. Air arrivals were at their lowest levels in 2014 and 2015. And the Bermuda Tourism Authority was created in 2013.
Mr. Scott Pearman And just as the PLP has been explaining to us over the last two years, miracles do not happen overnight. And they sure haven’t. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. You speak to miracles? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. 3186 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly He is right; miracles do not happen overnight. But $100 million would make a lot …
Mr. Scott Pearman All right, $100 million with a 1:3 ratio return. Thank you, Minister of Tourism. Now, to the budget. Good evening, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Good evening, Mr. Speaker. I would like to start and dial it back a few speakers ago to my honourable colleague, Mr. Ben Smith, and try to adopt, if I may, his tone —and not the tone of some of the subsequent speakers. And let me start by thanking the …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman I cautioned the then Government about crowing over a surplus that had not yet been achieved, saying this: “2[O]ne Member of the Government, a Minister, went so far as to say this, and I quote. ‘The Government has achieved’ (achieved) ‘the first budget surplus in 17 years.’ No it hasn’t. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I believe the Honourable Member may be unintentionally misleading the House because he fails to recognise that Morgan’s Point and all that has come to this Government as a cons equence of decisions that the OBA made were before his time. But I do believe there were people who knew …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the interjection by my honourable friend, Mr. Kim Swan. It is perfectly clear that the shortfall is by reason of the Government’s intervention in relation to Morgan’s Point, and that can be easily seen from the Budget Book itself. But given the point …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No! Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is unintentionally mi sleading the House.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He is intentionally misleading the House. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Ah! Let the Minister continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I am being generous. I am being generous. I would ask Honourable Members to look at the contract to see who signed the guarantee. That is the source of the problem. [Inaudible in terjections]
The Speaker The Speaker One second. One second, now, before you continue. When I started the clock for you, I gave you 30 minutes. Just checking the time, we are actually past seven hours, which means all speakers only have 20 minutes. So this says 20 . You actually have 10 minutes left. But …
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful, Mr. Speaker. And perhaps you might give me a minute or two more for the few interjections I have just suffered. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Well, they did not use up much of your time.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am not going to get into a toing and froing with Morgan’s Point. The history of Morgan’s Point and how the Government came to have that after a land swap is known to all. And the Go vernment responsible for the land swap was the PLP. I will move …
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am grateful to the Minister for National Security for feeding me the line and anti cipating where I was going. But this is what it actually says, because one must be careful with this Gover nment because they play wit h words. Page 15, quote if I may, …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take the point of order from the Minister of Finance. POINT OF ORD ER [Misleading] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I believe the Honourable Member is intentionally misleading the House. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The Honourable Member mentioned the tax rates that are increasing, but …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ah! [Desk thumping]
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Scott Pearman First of all, I am not misleading the House. Secondly, for the Honourable Member to accuse me of intentionally misleading the House is not parliamentary language. I am not going to ask him to withdraw it; but he should do so of his own volition. Nonetheless, if you go an …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He is your Premier too, don’t forget.
Mr. Scott Pearman He is my Premier, too. Thank you. The Minister of Transport, Mr. Zane De Silva, the future Premier perhaps, reminds me that the Honourable David Burt is my Premier. And he is; which is why I call him to a high standard of being truthful with the voters. I just …
Mr. Scott Pearman Here are a few quick points from the budget. First of all, 60/40. The Minis ter reminds me that I should stick to the law and he can stick to the numbers. Well, I will stick to the law —60/40 being reversed will not work without changing the director-ships. No …
The Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member, maybe I will let you draw the conclusion, intentionally B ermuda House of Assembly or not, when he says that nobody will invest money if they cannot control their directors. Let …
Mr. Scott Pearman I think the Minister of Finance is right. It is best to stick with what you know. In fac t, and if I have the time, I will respond.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, do not waste your time now. Do not lose your time now.
Mr. Scott Pearman In fact, Carlyle did have directors on the board of BNTB [Bermuda N. T. Butterfield Bank]. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A point of order.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is not a majority.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, 23 per cent is not a major ity. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order! The point is, Mr. Speaker, they had directors on there, but they were not all their directors. That is the point. And that is the same with the 60/40 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes.
Mr. Scott Pearman I will wind up, Mr. Speaker, conscious of the intervention, if you will graciously allow me 30 more seconds.
The Speaker The Speaker Do not eat up your time. You have got a few more seconds left.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I think that the idea to change 60/40 is an excellent one, and I hope that the idea in relation to the directors will be scrapped upon further consideration. My final point —I have more to make, but the time is short —is this idea of the tax …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: Would any other Member wish to speak? Minister Burch was the first on his feet. [ Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Burch, let me just adjust this down to 20. There you go. Minister Burch, you have the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. I probably do not even need 20 minutes b ecause I am not going to repeat a lot of what was said before. But I am going to start where . . . it almost seems like every time I come to this House, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch — wrote an op- ed, “Wake up, Bermuda!” And you know what it was about, Mr. Speaker? It was about the 60/40 rule. And he told us the sky would fall if we did not change the 60/40 rule. In fact, a quote: “ 4The 60:40 rule has served its …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Everything is about self. Everything is about self. And, Mr. Speaker, in this, I think this is an interview this t ime. So now he objects to 60/40 because of the directorships. Mr. Speaker, I do not own a business either. Well, that is not true. I have a share …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, or Cedar Hill as opposed t o, Mr. Speaker, Conyers Dill & Pearman, Appleby and all the rest of them that always have had these seats on boards around here. It makes no sense. It makes no sense! I am not a company la wyer. I practice one on …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Five years!
Lt. Col. Hon. David A . Burch And, Mr. Speaker, since we have been in Government, the other thing that irritates me about this . . . and I am not using it to them. But the other thing that you know, is it an i ndictment in this, Mr. Speaker? She never mentions her role in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I have.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I know that. Mr. Speaker, our budget is not going up this year. And I am to be . . . in the interest of full discl osure, I fought tooth and nail with the Minister of F inance, and he stood his ground. And I have resolved, Mr. Speaker …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A . Burch What? Oh no, we are not going to be friends yet until they start making some progress on that. I resolve, Mr. Speaker, that we have to try to do things differently because there is no money. And so rather than down tools, we have got to come up with …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And whilst I know our people are suffering . . . and you know how we know better than them, Mr. Speaker? Because we live with them! We have been canvassing since the election, Mr. Speaker. So we know exactly where they are. And they know exactly where it is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. We now recognise the Deputy Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good evening.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Mr. Speaker, if I could read from the 5Royal Gazette. “The leader of the Progressive Labour Party [Premier Burt] was speaking as he unveiled Vision 2025: Our Plan For A Better Bermuda . . . said: ‘These are the facts that confront Bermudians every day —diminishing op portunities, an ever …
Ms. Leah K. Scott I am not quoting the Royal G azette ; I am quoting the people who spoke to the Royal Gazette. “One woman said the PLP’s approach had failed to support her. She explained: ‘As a middle-aged lady looking after a senior, there aren’t many benefits that will assist me with …
Ms. Leah K. Scott My point is, Mr. Speaker, that in order for Mr. Hogg to have been able to acquire or get Bermuda House of Assembly beneficial ownership in a Bermuda company, he would have had to pass regulatory requirements. So how is it that a man who had judgments against him was …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order, Premier. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I would love to answer the Ho nourable Member’s questions, but I think the Honour able Member should direct that question in writing to the Bermuda Monetary Authority.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Premier. I will do so. Mr. Speaker, we are struggling as an economy. Now, I want to talk to the change in the 60/40 rule. And my concern with the 60/40 rule, when you have a company, it is the shareholders who actually elect the directors. So …
Ms. Leah K. Scott No, I understand. I am not saying that they would. But I am saying that there is a mec hanism there. So where is t he protection for the Bermudian directors? That is my question. You can have somebody who has a 60 per cent majority and decide that they …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Right. But if you have a 60 per cent shareholder of a local Bermudian company and the Bermudians want to be the directors, why are they going to enter into a relationship with somebody who can remove them at any time? Hon. Zan e J. S. De Silva: Point of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Member.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I thank my parliamentary colleague for assisting me. I am not saying that they would be replaced with non- Bermudians. That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is tha t the Bermudians should be protected. If you have a 60 per cent shar eholder whom you …
Ms. Leah K. Scott No, no —
The Speaker The Speaker Well— POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Michael J. Scott: Ever since I studied about the joint stock company, we learned that companies capitalised by shareholders have one objective: profit. And so after there was an investment made by a minority shareholder, everybody is on board with the success of the company. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael J. Scott: —De Silva has pointed it out.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you. I appreciate that, but I still think that there should be protection for Bermudians. And that is all I am saying. In terms of . . . and you can question my abi lity as a corporate lawyer if you want. [Laughter]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Mr. Speaker, one of the other comments that has been made is about the efficiency 3194 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly of government and the size of the g overnment. Now, Mr. Speaker, my issue is not so much with the size of the government. …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Anyway, so wh y can’t —
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair; you might be all right. Talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair. Do not get sidetracked.
Ms. Leah K. Scott There should be a re- shifting of people to revenue generating departments, which would actually bring in more tax money and assist the government. I am not reading from a prepared speech. I am looking at my notes. Do you not look at notes when you are speaking?
The Speaker The Speaker Do not get sidetracked. Do not get sidetracked. Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair . [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Anyway, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Leah K. Scott I have not had any.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Don’t get distracted.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I know. Right. So, Mr. Speaker, look. I understand that we need budgets to determine where we are going and it is a forecast. But really, Mr. Speaker, my opinion is that gross domestic product and budgets actually do not determine the health of a country. And we need to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister Caines, you sprang up pretty quickly that time. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I would think you had a spring- loaded chair almost. Would you like to mak e a presentation? Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue right on. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, the essence of the Budget Speech cannot be synthesised into the failings of a former Government. It cannot be fearmonger ed into a people feeling as if the world is collapsing. I listened this afternoon to all of the protest ations, the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Patients First; Patients First. Hon. Wayne Caines: —Patients First; Patients First, or Profits First, as some call it —to come to his office and t o meet with him to declare who they are. [Inaudible interjection and laughter ] Hon. Wayne Caines: And they did not do so. They were …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the . . . We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1—
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members [Constituency] 2.
The Speaker The Speaker Constituency 2. Honourable Member Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have been around a long time. And I remember coming to this House in much the same way my young daughter is doing so now, listening to many budget debates, Throne Speech Replies and the like. And I remember how the late Dame …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Because I was one of the ones out there, along with David Dodwell, [who] held [that] a Tourism Authority w ould be the answer. That record cruise ship, that record arrival has nothing to do with anything but that cruise pier that came under great criticism up in Dockyard. And …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No, not only my “Economic View,” my two bags that have all the old Budget Books! I learned that b eing in the Senate when I used a mouthful of something. A fellow used to come up lunchtime with a big stack of stuff and hit me with the facts. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. Would any other Honourable Member wish t o speak? Minister De Silva, you rose to your feet. Would you like to participate in this debate this evening? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, you know, Mr. Speaker, I think I might just like to do …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have 20 minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, thank you, very much.
The Speaker The Speaker There you go. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I would like to join my colleagues in congratulating the Finance Mi nister for producing this budget this year. And I think that it will bode we ll, and will be a great yardstick for the next 12 months. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s rich! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Rich! I cannot believe for the life of me how this Opposition, the OBA Gover nment . . . and, by the way, the Chamber is empty. So the people in the country must know we have one person here. And it …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Leah, you might as well come over here with us! Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because we know your heart is in the right place, Leah. And I knew your heart was in the right place when …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, guess what? People can say what they like about Leah Scott. Leah Scott is all right! Oh, wow! We have pulled one person out of their bed! [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Look who we . . . we have …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Member is irr itating the House. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : Oh, Mr. Speaker! I a m not irritating the House, because there are only my people here and they are loving it! [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman I ain’t your people. I don’t like you either. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : No, this ain’t the OBA over here, trust me. Thi s is a family over here. Yes, sir! We don’t have five leaders, six leaders. Every week you have a different leader. No, …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister! Just remember, your clock is ticking, you know! Come back on track. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Spea ker.
The Speaker The Speaker Your clock is ticking away. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : But, Mr. Speaker, can you believe that the OBA has asked questions like they are looking for a full explanation of the intent of this Government to clean up their dog’s mess — An Hon . Member: Ooh! …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : Throwing stones. For one minute he congratulated, that is a great fit. And then he goes on to chastise him to no end, and then gives him hell because he is not going to meet his budget prediction of last year. But, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And get their money back. 3202 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and they are going to unravel it and we are going to get the money back for the taxpayers of this country. That is what we are g …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: “Back in 2011, Sir David Gibbons, the former UBP F inance Minister bragged and boasted about how many balanced budgets that he had, multiple balanced budgets during his time as Finance Minister. He claimed to be part of the new OBA …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Minister of Education. Honourable Minis ter, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the old adage that comes to mind after I listened to this Budget Reply today is, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Aah! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: How many of them quoted anything? Yes, one person put up their hand. They quoted from this book, the Budget Statement that was put out by our Finance Minister extensively , but they did not mention nary one thing out of here because there …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nothing at all. Another Hon. Member: In response to your budget. [Laughter and inaudible interjections] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, we hear, we responded to your budget . The purpose . . . let me explain, let me explain something to that Member. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Diallo V. S. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Aah! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: In 2017, we inherited a sy stem that was in desperate need of guidance, stability and funding. So, I make no apologies that the D epartment of Education’s budget now has increased to just under $115 million. Now, Mr. Speaker, Member Hayward spoke about …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —thanks to this Gover nment.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Former Government. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Former Government.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, when I became Minister in July 2017, Del lwood Middle School had been closed since May 2017 for mould. But guess what, Mr. Speaker? Remediation had not even begun in July 2017.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No budget. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: But in June 2017, the OBA Ministers were riding around the Sound in a yacht watching the America’s Cup. Seemingly, they were not concerned about education then, because when we came in one of the first things we had to do was not …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Aah! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —look what we had to do in order to get our children back into school!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because they were worried about America’s Cup. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: They were too busy on the Sound, Mr. Speaker. They were too busy riding around watching a boat race. Now, Mr. Speaker, let’s get onto T. N. Tatem because we had Member Moniz talk about T. N. Tatem, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: So, they wrote the death knell for T. N. Tatem when they did not do the repairs that they were supposed to have done.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Because they were on a yacht sailing in the Great Sound watching a boat race.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmmm. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I have to keep saying it because that is simple. That is exactly what ha ppened. So, to now sit around and offer ideas on how to improve education rings hollow —they ring hollow in our students’ ears, they ring hollow in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmmm. Hon. D iallo V. S. Rabain: But, Mr. Speaker, I am excited that they also talk about that they plan to support Plan 2022 and its implementation. I will hold them to that statement, Mr. Speaker, because I have repeated in this House on several occasions we need to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Honourable Member Premier, it looks like you can have the floor to make a contribution at this point. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to begin my presentation this evening with congratulations to the Minister of Finance who last week …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, let us take a point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: The Premier is misleading the House. He is failing to point out that many people, hundreds of people, have also lost their jobs. So, let’s just say he creates 100 jobs. You probably have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, 2,000 under your reign! Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. D avid Burt: Mr. Speaker, “ Good leadership requires humility. Humility demands accountability. ” The fact that a former Premier of this country and an Opposition Leader currently, does not understand that the annual employment survey counts the number of jobs in existence and accounts for people …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Minister, would you like to wrap this up? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: With pleasure, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker It pleases me if it’s short and brief, yes. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, in the 16 months that I have been Bermuda’s 10 th Minister of Finance, colleagues from both sides have been extraordinarily complimentary of the work that I do with my team. And I want to thank everyone for their best …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Absolutely. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: That, in my view, is a nonsense.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: And if the directors are not doing what is in the best interests of the shareholder, the shareholder has the votes through the shares to change the directors. It is simple; it is not that compl icated. There has been talk about the debt …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resolve into Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2020/2021.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Do we do that now or Monday morning? [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker We do that now so it is officially moved into it. So, Deputy, would you like to come in the Chair just so we c an officially acknowledge that we are now in Committee? House in Committee at 12:23 am [29 February 2020] [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. 3214 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now move Heads 9, 80, 43 and 67 for the Cabinet Office
The Chairman Chairman We will resume on Monday. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman. I move that the Committee rise and report progress ask for leave to sit again on Monday the 2 nd of March 2020.
The Chairman Chairman Any objection to that motion? We will be here and rise and report progress on Monday. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman We resume on Monday at ten o’clock. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Th e Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit on Monday, 2 nd March 2020.] House resumed at 12:25 am [29 February 2020] [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Committee rising and reporting progress for Monday morning?
The Speaker The Speaker No objections? It has been so moved. And the House will resume in Committee on Monday morning, March 2nd. Yes. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am reliably i nformed that one of my Members would like to speak on the motion to adjourn. That said, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, all matters are carried over to Monday. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. I thought we did that. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Monday, March 2 nd.
The Speaker The Speaker And no Members wish to speak to that, right? [General uproar]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Famous, I saw you stand, I thought you were packing your bags to leave. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morni ng, Mr. Speaker. I know you missed me last week. So I am going to make up for it.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, colleagues.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Good morning.
Mr. Christopher Famous I said good morning, church! Some Hon. Mem bers: Good morning. OBA’S NEGATIVE NARRATIVE
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, I want to wish on this Febr uary 29th happy belated birthday to my big cousin Mr. Neville Tyrrell. And I also want to wish happy birthday to my teac her, Mr. Robert Horton, a Somerset guy. You see, I wish these gentlemen who are …
Mr. Christopher Famous Calm down, calm down. We need to be like the Cayman Islands. Anyone hear that narrative. The Royal Gazette did a whole one- week series on the Cayman Islands? All these years they are telling us, Don’t be like the Caribbean; those people are backwards. Those people shouldn’t have anything …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order . POINT OF ORDER [Reflecting on prior debate] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just as a matter of propriety and process, the Honourable Member in his comments is reflecting on the debate which has just been held. And I believe that that is against the [Standing Orders].
Mr. Christopher Famous Never said anything about any debate, Mr. Speaker. I said there is a narrative.
The Speaker The Speaker We just are reminding you not to reflect on it. But I am sure you are skilful enough to present yourself without cross ing the line.
Mr. Christopher Famous Oh, no, no. I am on Gold House. The Speaker: Well, now you have put yourself in trouble. Now you have put yourself in trouble.
Mr. Christopher Famous So, let’s drill down a little bit in my 13 minutes. Immigration reform: There is a narrative that the PLP brainwashes people to be against immigration reform; the PLP brainwashes people to be against white people; the PLP brai nwashes people to be against IB. Let’s be clear, Mr. Speaker, …
Mr. Christopher Famous Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. 3216 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly CARICOM has a thing called freedom of movement. We can apply for that. Do you want that? [Inaudible in terjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous No, you don’t. So we want to be like Cayman, but we do not want to be that part of Cayman. Right? Let’s be real. You see, what they are not telling you is that those people down there working in Cayman are working for $7.00 an hour. Seven US …
Mr. Christopher Famous Oh yes, they are. But no, let’s be like Cayman. You see, we hear these narratives but the people saying these narratives are not telling the full story. Do we want our GDP to go up? Yes. Do we want our economic activity to go up? Yes. Do we want …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member On their bills. Another Hon. Member: They pay their taxes.
Mr. Christopher Famous They spend it on rent, they spend on mortgage, they spend it on food, they spend it on clothing, they spend it at gas stations, liquor, milk, all of these things. But here is the thing: When these people got to get paid, our people, it is a burden. But …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Christopher Famous Look at Ms. Bowers. Look at Mr. Lamb in the corner. Look at the Clerk. Ask yourselves if they deserve the disrespect that people give them? I mean, not them, they are cool, but the other 4,439 people . . . they are the ones who are too much. When …
Mr. Christopher Famous People here are speaking about their profession, I’m a lawyer, I’m an accountant. I am none of that. I am Bermudian. And if I were not in politics looking at the budget, I would say, Well, I wish we didn’t have $2.6 billion in debt. But at least I know …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. F amous. No one else is moving, so I guess I will put the gavel in my hand and send us all home. Have a good weekend and we will see you Monday morning at ten o’clock. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Enjoy your weekend. [At 12:44 am (Saturday, 29 February 2020) the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 2 March 2020.] 3218 28 February 2020 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank.]
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