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House of Assembly Session 2019/2020 393 speeches

November 15, 2019

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Session Summary

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The session was dominated by a major procedural dispute over Premier Burt's statement titled "Throne Speech 2018 and Beyond." Opposition members argued this was actually a Throne Speech disguised as a ministerial statement, which would deny them their traditional right to reply. After repeated points of order and heated exchanges, Speaker Lister recessed the session and ultimately ruled that the Premier's statement could not continue, citing that previously agreed-upon changes had not been made to the document.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Nov 15, 2019
Session 2019/2020
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Speakers 33
Speeches 393

Key Topics

Speaker's ruling on Premier's statement format and parliamentary procedureCongratulatory messages to community membersBermuda College Annual Report 2018/19Bermuda Credit Union Co-operative Society name change petition

Bills & Motions

Bermuda Credit Union Co-operative Society Amendment Act 2019 petition was presented and referred to the Parliamentary Joint Select Committee on Private Bills
Bermuda College Annual Report 2018/19 was tabled by the Minister of Education
Three bills were scheduled for introduction but the transcript ends before they were presented

Notable Moments

Opposition Leader Craig Cannonier was escorted out of the chamber by the Sergeant-at-Arms after repeated disruptions during the procedural dispute
The Speaker made an unprecedented ruling to stop the Premier's statement mid-delivery, stating it violated their prior agreement about content changes
Multiple opposition members accused the government of undermining democratic processes by not allowing a formal reply opportunity

Debate Transcript

393 speeches from 33 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 1 November 2019]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of November 1 st have been circulated. Are there any amendments or adjustments, corrections to the Minutes as printed? There are none. The Minut es will be confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 1 November 2019 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, there are announcements this morning. First, I would like to acknowledge that we r eceived notice that Members will be absent today. The Deputy Opposition Leader, Member [Leah] Scott; the Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin; and MP Sylvan Richards have all indicated their absence today. PAPERLESS DISTR IBUTION OF CORRESPONDENCE
The Speaker The Speaker Also, Members, some time back every Member was given a tablet so that we can provide all of the communications from the House on that [d evice]. We have had it for a test period. The indication was that at some point we would go to a paperless process where …
The Speaker The Speaker Also, the third item under announc ements this morning is that the report to the House on the work of the Office of the Auditor General for the financial year ended March 31 st, 2018, has been circ ulated to Members. Thank you. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE The S peaker: There is one paper this morning in the name of the Minister of Education. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. BERMUDA COLLEGE ANNUAL REPORT 2018/19 Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Annual Report of the Bermuda College 2018/19. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we have a petition this morning. It is going to be presented by the Honourable Member from constituency 1, Honourable Member Ming. 2600 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mrs. Renee Ming: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. BERMUDA CREDIT UNION CO -OPERATIVE SOCIETY AMENDMENT ACT 2019
Mrs. Renee Ming I hereby present the following pet ition: The petition of Messrs Cecil Durham and Clarence Smith, members of the Board of Directors of the Bermuda Credit Union Co- operative Society, a cooperative registered under the previous name of the BI U Members Credit Union Co- operative Society, reques ting the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you, H onourable Member. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There is one Statement on the Order paper this morning, in the name of the Premier. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker; with your leave.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. THRONE SPEECH 2018 AND BEYOND: CHARTING A PATH FOR THE FUTURE WHILE CHALLENGING THE STATUS QUO TO BUILD A BERMUDA THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, in keeping with the undertaki ng I made publicly towards …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: This is incredible! [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Point taken.
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Mr. Speaker, the title of the Statement is “Throne Speech 2018.” That took place last year. The session of the Legislature is continuing, Mr. Speaker. And, with respect, I would like to conti nue, if I may. Much has been made of the fact that the Le gislature was not …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: The title of this Statement is “Throne Speech 2018 and Beyond.” To me, this is the Throne Speech under the guise of a Ministerial Statement. And, to me, it seems unfair that the Opp osition does …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. POINTS OF PRIVILEGE AND ORDER Hon. Michael J. Scott: Point of privilege and of order. So, Mr. Speaker, all Ministerial Statements are matters of an explanation by a Minister, really, the Executive. It is an explanation; it is a statement of the intent . And a rose by …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Again, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. As I take a look at this thing here, he is saying a rose is none other than a rose. We know that this is a redacting of his Throne Speech. …
The Speaker The Speaker Your point has been made. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, may I continue?
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Scot t Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Premier is misleading the House. This is not a Mini sterial Statement. It is a Throne Speech in di sguise. And he is stepping on the neck of democracy by den ying the Opposition a right of reply, to which we are entitled. It was the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Okay. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, if I may r emind the Members of the Opposition that, given that there is only one Ministerial Statement today, they will have 60 minutes to ask questions should they wish. And I will be happy to answer …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. E. David Bur t: Mr. Speaker , to clarify, I did not say that that is whatever choice that the Opposition may wish to make. What I said was I am not going to respond to the comments which are being made, a s points of …
Mr. Ben Smith We are still continuing to hear what is, in essence, a Throne Speech. If there was a plan for us to have the ability for both sides to have the same o pportunity, that is one thing—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
Mr. Ben Smith —but for one person to be able to get up and speak , and for us not to have the same ability in the House to respond the way it would have been done in a Throne Speech . . . We woul d have accep ted a different plan, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! [Inaudible int erjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Point taken. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would encourage the Honourable Members of the Opposition to listen to the next section of what I am about to read. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, much has been made of …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, this, as was said earlier by my coll eagues, is a Throne Speech. And Throne Speeches are not normally required in a Statement of the House. Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that he is mi sleading the House in that this is supposed to be a Statement. [Inaudible …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simo ns Yes, but he is disguising it. [It is] a Throne Speech, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections] An Hon. Member: It says it right there! “I have termed this s tatement Throne Speech. ”
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Exactly, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can we hav e an opinion o r a ruling in regard to this being a Statement and not a Throne Speech? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. [Crosstalk ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: That is your business. Okay? If you have a problem with that, that is with you. That’s with you. That ’s with you!
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Members! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And he know s better!
The Speaker The Speaker Members! [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! [General uproar!]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! [Gavel] The Spe aker: Members! Premier! Premier! Premier! Premier! Premier! Take your seat! Opposition Leader, Minister, if you two want to continue this, you are going to do it outside. You are not going to do it in here. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader! Opposition Leader! Opposition Leader! If you and the Member across from you would like to continue your convers ation, take it outside. Other than that . . . Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, colleagues …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: At the very least, if this Government is comfortable with their majority of 25/11, they should give the Opposition an opportunity for a substantive reply.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, this is disr espectful to the House and to you as Speaker of the House.
The Speaker The Speaker You have made your point. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I look forward to your ruling on it —
The Speaker The Speaker I have heard your point. I have heard your point. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —and not just to say, The point is taken.
The Speaker The Speaker I have heard your point. Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You heard the point, but it means nothing, Mr. Speaker. That is clear.
The Speaker The Speaker I have heard your point. [Crosstalk ] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. I would hope that the points of order are exhausted and I can proceed with the Statement. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] …
The Speaker The Speaker Members — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: It has not been identified!
The Speaker The Speaker Members! 2604 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Who is he to —
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Just let this continue a bit more until I can gauge where the Premier is going, please. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I shall continue. Mr. Speaker, much has been made of the fact that the Legislature was not prorogued and there was no …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: —has been compared to—
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson He is misleading the House. If he had sat down and planned ahead for the non-convening of Parliament through a Throne Speech, then the Premier should have considered putting a plan in place where there would have been some sort of special session where we would have had a democratic …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson For us to have to do some sort of reply in the form of the Order of the Day is ab-solutely unacceptable, and it is not democratic, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker. As there is no ruling, I shall proceed. It is unfortunate that a …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: As I go through this here, the Honourable Premier is saying that he consulted with the press, the Governor, the President and Senate. But part of the Throne Speech is Opposition, as well! And we are not a part …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And he is standing up while I am still standing up! [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. Speaker, this is unacceptable!
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. L. Craig Cannonie r: The Honourable Member continues to mislead this House, continues to mislead the public as to his intent. If he had any ounce of hon-ourability as to how he wanted to proceed with this . . . I have said to him over and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Getting closer. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, as we accord to the rules of the House, I shall look to continue. And I am going to ask Honourable Members on the Opposition to listen , because I have heard this statement regar ding Throne Speeches. …
The Speaker The Speaker Just stick to what you have got in front of you. Hon. E. David Burt: I will, without question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael H. Dunkl ey: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Premier is trying to put lipstick on a pig. The …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would expect that two former Premiers would be familiar with the Const itution of this country and how the Legislature is pr orogued and called into session. However, Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to what is in front of you. Speak to what is in front of you. Hon. E. David Burt: I shall continue. Thank you. It is unfortunate that a change such as this has been compared to —
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman Again, the Honourable Premier is misleading the House. This is not a Ministerial Statement. On Thursday, we are about to have a byeelection in this country. This is a one- way advertorial for the Government with no constitutional right of r eply. Mr. Speaker, you are the guardian of this …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Amen! [Gavel ]
Mr. Scott Pearman And you cannot allow this, respectfully, Mr. Speaker, to become a one- party state. We are obliged to stand up and hold the Go vernment to account. The Reply to the Throne Speech exists for th at purpose, so that the Opposition can r espond to the legislative agenda. To …
The Speaker The Speaker I heard yo ur point. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I shall continue. It is unfortunate that a change as such as this has been compared to an erosion of our democracy, when, in fact, the opposite is the case. Recent prec edents have sought to challenge …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: The fact is —
Ms. Su san E. Jackson Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It is one thing to continue the Legislative session, but for him to mask a Throne Speech under a Ministerial Statement —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member “Him”? “Him”? “Him”?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson For the Premier to mask his Throne Speech under a Ministerial Statement and not allow for the democratic process, and to be un - planning about the whole situation, is unacceptable,
Mr. Speaker. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, yes. Yes, yes. The Spe aker: Heard your point. 2606 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. As the Honourable Member has read, he is talking …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to what you have got in front of you. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to what you have got in front of you. Hon. E. David Burt: Because, Mr. Speaker, I am challenged by attempting to give a Ministerial Stat ement with the same point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to what is in front of you. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. I will try again, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Speech from the Throne sets out t he objectives for the Government for a session of the Legislature. There is no requirement that the …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier conti nues to give a. . . continues to m islead the House in an effort to give a Ministerial Statement which is not a Ministerial Statement, but a Throne Speech in di sguise. Mr. Speaker, on the 11 th of November, we gathered to mark the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is shameful.
Mr. Scott Pearman It is not shameful! It is true! You should be ashamed of yourselves! All of you!
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member All of you! All of you!
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Bermuda is watching what is going on. They are watching what is going on.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, yes, they are. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, they are! Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order, Mr. Spea ker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Take your point. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member, the Premier, is misleading this House, Mr. Speaker. So this, in actual fact, is a Throne Speech because he has admitted in what he just read that the 2018 Throne Speech has not been completed yet. …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will ask if —
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, most of our trad itions are inherited from the Westminster system as administered in London. Honourable Members should be interested to know —
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Mr. Ben Smith: The Honourable Premier is mi sleading the House. It seems that if we are not having a Throne Speech, we are at least having a speech about a Throne Speech. So, either way, you are still …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, continue on. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, most of our traditions are inherited from the Westminster system as administered in London. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That statement is misleading …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is nonsense. 2608 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, It is nonsense. Nonsense is what is going on in this Island. Nonsense! [Inaudible interject ions]
The Speaker The Speaker One person is on their feet. One person is on their feet! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We are here for immigr ation. We are not doing it! Still not doing it! [Gavel] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Still not doing immigration! How can you make a promise on immigration? How can …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Opposition Leader. Mr. Opposition Leader! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: How can it be done! [Gavel] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We are still in this House, meeting and meeting and meeting, and you have not done immigration yet? This is unbelievable!
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader. Opposition Leader. An Hon. M ember: They are going to send you out. Take it easy. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, yes, yes! Maybe sometimes —
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader! [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Do you want to walk? Would you like to walk? Hon. L. Craig C annonier: Listen! This —
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no, no! No, no! [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Simple question! Simple question. Simple question! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: This is not a democracy!
The Speaker The Speaker Simple question, simple questio n. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: A plan has not been laid in place for how we —
The Speaker The Speaker I suggest you take a walk , Opposition Leader . Opposition Leader! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —and you allow him to —
The Speaker The Speaker Sergeant -at-Arms, escort him out. Escort him out. Escort him out. Escort him out. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —put a plan in place! And he can call . . . put lipstick on a pig all he wants!
The Speaker The Speaker Escort him out. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannon ier: Nice plan. Yes, yes, yes. While you sit back there and do nothing, and get paid. How many others would get that? He has not an-swered questions that have been given since July about who is getting paid! Still has …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier conti nues to mislead the House by continuing to give a Mi nisteria l Statement that is not, and is in fact a Throne Speech. Bermuda House of Assembly I would invite the Honourable Members on the other side of this House to consider how they would …
The Speaker The Speaker That is why it is continuing.
Mr. Scott Pearman This should not be allowed to continue, Mr. Speaker. The Spe aker: Go ahead. It is continuing. I am monitoring it. I am monitoring it. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, most of our traditions are inherited from the Westminster system as administered in London. Honourable Members should be interested …
Ms. Su san E. Jackson Point of order. Point of order,
Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER Ms. Susan E. Jackson This Ministerial Statement that is in the guise of a Throne Speech is not allowing for the democratic right of other people to have a reply to a Statement.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member. Let me caution you. When you get up and give a point of order, can you say something that you have not already said before? Because you have made that point. I heard you earl ier.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker — The Speake r: I said I had taken into consideration what you have said. It has been said already. Let him continue on. I heard what you said before. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, most of our traditions are inherited from the Westminster system …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Premier continues to mi slead the House. The Government of Bermuda is elected to represent all Bermudians. And this is not representation of all B ermudians. The Opposition has a constitutional obligation to hold the Government to account. We are being denied a right of reply, and this is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, most of our traditions are inherited from the Westminster system as administered in London. Honourable Members should be interested to know that the historic purpose of pr orogation was to allow MPs to return to their constit uencies in days before modern …
The Speaker The Speaker State your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Premi er is misleading the House in the sense that he is disguising a Throne Speech—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You have said it already 10 times! Another Hon. Member: That has already been given! [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Jeanne J. Atherd en: Mr. Speaker, I will clarify why I am saying that. He asked— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: There are many items, especially the ones that he has referred to. He indicated that he was going to talk about the future. He is making …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In all likelihood, this House and the other place will sit over longer periods in the future. Honourable Members and the public should consider these the new normal. The need for prorogation and a concurrent break from the rigours of …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Premier, take a minute. Take your seat. I am going to make a ruling right now that we are going to have a recess for a few minutes. The House is going to recess for a few minutes. I need a copy of your speech. [Inaudible inter jection]
The Speaker The Speaker And the one you are speaking from. Proceedings suspended at 10:4 7 am Proceedings resumed at 11:08 am [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] SPEAKER’S RULING [Statement disallowed ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, I am on my f eet to make a ruling. Mr. Premier, based on the exchange that we had last night , or last evening, in regard to items I asked to be removed from the Statement , which are still contained in that Statement, I am ruling that …
The Speaker The Speaker I have made a ruling. Hon. E. David Burt: Can I ask —
The Speaker The Speaker I have a made a ruling. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. S peaker, I am . . . I am not —
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, you and I had an exchange last evening. I expected that to have been respected. It was not respected! We are moving on. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, can I ask a question?
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, we are moving on. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am asking—
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier! Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, I made a ruling. I did not come here to have a discussion! Hon. E. David Burt: I accept . . . I accept the ruling,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker It is not a discussion. A ruling has been made. And that is it. We are proceeding. Next order on the agenda. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister! Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Point of information, Mr. Speaker. Point of information. POINT OF INFORMATION Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, according to what my ruling is . . . according to May’s, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Minister, Minister, I h ave made a ruling. [Crosstalk] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The Speaker does not require permission—
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, I have made a ruling. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr.—
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, I have made a ruling. I am on my feet. I ask you to take your seat . Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, point of information. Point of information, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Minister. Minister — Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Point of information, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, if it is on this matter, I have already ruled on this matter, and we have moved on to the next item. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker If you want to speak to the next item, fine. If you would like to speak to this last item, it is closed! We are moving forward. Next item on the Order Paper. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker [No audible response.] MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker [No audible response.] PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MAT TERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. The Clerk: Introduction of Bills.
The Speaker The Speaker There are three Bills to be introduced. Would you like to introduce your Bills, Mini sters? Hon. E. Dav id Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: As per Standing Order 14, I think that we have missed an item on the agenda. Right …
The Speaker The Speaker We missed congrats?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. The Clerk: Okay. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker We will allow congrats then. Would any Member like to speak to congrats and condolences? Premier, you have the floor. 2612 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise to extend condolences and sympathies …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ah! [Desk thumping] Hon. E. David Burt: I am sure, Mr. Speaker, that there are many persons inside of this House who will recognise “Scratchie,” as he was called, whether it was persons who were fans of the Devonshire Cougars or persons, such as myself at a young age, who …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the H onourable Deputy Premier. You have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would [be remiss of] me to not stand to not be associated particularly with the congratulatory message given to Mr. Randolph …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I ask the House to send condolences to the family of M r. Sergio Dillworth. Sergio Dillworth was a man who was in his mid- to late- 40s, probably about 46 –47. He was a contractor of the old school, despite his youth, a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Commiss iong. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Scott, from constituency 36. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly The felicitations and good wishes to the 96year-old Mr. Randolph Hayward …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member? I recognise the Honourable Member from — Simons. Honourable Member Simons, you have the floor . . . number 8, yes.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, I would like to send condolences to the family of [Rui] Paul Fortuna, of Smith’s. He was a constituent of mine. And he was renowned in the Portuguese community. He was a family man. And when we went to his house, many times we talked about politics, we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member Moniz. Honourable Member Moniz, you have the floor. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the condolences to the family of Paul Fortuna and to the family of Allan Gray. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Minister, former Whip. Minister Foggo, you have the floor. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wish to make some congratulatory r emarks. I would like to congratulate Devonshire Cougars for winning the …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter] The Speake r: Mr. Weeks, Member Weeks, I knew you were not going to let her get too far with that one. [Laughter] 2614 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Because I almost said Devonshire Rec. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Honourable Member Pearman as the next speaker. Honourable Member Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. By way of co ngratulations first, I would just like to congratulate the PGA event that occurred, and I would like to extend thanks both to the Minister and to the BTA for the success of that event. It is always a wonderful time when Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member? I recognise the Honourable Minister De Silva. Honourable Minister, you h ave the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to be associated with the condolences to the Gray family. I had …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member Tyrrell. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know how I managed to miss this some weeks ago, to ask the House …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Mr. Swan, would you like to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Swan. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like a special recognition given to a young man whose vision has materialised very significantly for Bermuda. I single out Mr. Patrick Horgan III, because this year his mother passed away. His mother honeymooned in Bermuda in the 1950s, Mr. Speaker. This …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to have condolences sent to the family of Marcelle Clemons. And I sure the whole House would like to …
The Speaker The Speaker Associate the whole House, yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I must admit, growing up, she was one of those individuals whom you would hear about, and you saw the great things that she did. And I always used to feel very proud as a Bermudian that she was able to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? 2616 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly We recognise the Honourable Member Ming. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker and listening audience. I would like to start my comments by sending condolences to the family of Sergio Dillworth. I recog-nise that it has already been done. But he was my colleague from the Berkeley. And he was my year. So, I would like for his …
The Speaker The Speaker Clouds of joy. Blessings. A lot of bles sings.
Mrs. Renee Ming And I just want to note that the school building was light blue. And I was like, Wow! I am in Somerset, and the building is light blue.
The Speaker The Speaker It contrasts with the red building next to it, the Somerset Cricket Club.
Mrs. Renee Ming You mean the pink building? [Laughter]
Mrs. Renee Ming But, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed my time at West End Pr imary.
The Speaker The Speaker Good.
Mrs. Renee Ming And I thank them for the invitation. And also, I would like to congratulate East End Primary because they had an event this week, which was called Father Figures Are Needed. And over 100 parents, grandparents, uncles, aunties, and guardians attended and showed the students at the school why males …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Honourable Member Famous, I see you on your feet. Would you like to contribute?
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Christopher Famous I would firstly like to give birthday greetings to a strong Devonshire woman, WPC 456 Barbara Joan Westin Clark, who went 80 this year, originally from Brighton Hill. Condolences to the family of Anita Lindo, of Devonshire, as well. She died at age 99. And I would like to associate …
The Speaker The Speaker We do, too. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker We do, too.
Mr. Christopher Famous Ms. Theodosia Lambert said that everybody in Parliament should come there and pay their respects.
The Speaker The Speaker We would like to honour that and be there for 6:30. How is that?
Mr. Christopher Famous Well, it starts at 6:30, Back o’ Town time. Also, I would like to associate with the comments for Mr. Sergio Dillworth. Sergio was slightly b eyond me at the Berkeley. And he and I played rugby for the Berkeley’s team. Sergio, as MP Commissiong said, was a foot soldier …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 28. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning to the House and to the listening audience. I just rise to give some congratulations to a few members of the public. First off, to Ms. Tanaya Tucker who, on November 1st, was called to the bar in Bermuda to serve as a lawyer. Personally, I know her. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Dunkley. You have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to add my congratulations and thanks for the arrangements and the visit by the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Furbert. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor.
Mrs. Tinee Fur bert Good morning and thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to send condolences to the family of Cynthia Johnson, another constituent of mine in Harlem Heights. Sending condolences to the family of Cynthia Johnson and her daughter, Tracey. I also just want to give congratulations to the K. Margaret Carter …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank yo u, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Honourable Member? We can now move on. I think at this point, we are going to the Introduction of Bills. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker But before that, let me just also note that the former Speaker Horton was in the Gallery this morning with the speaker from the prayer breakfast. And I would just like to acknowledge that both had been present this morning. And also, the President of the Senate is with us …
The Speaker The Speaker We are now onto the Introduction of Bills. Minister of Finance. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. FIRST READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) TEMPORARY AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Or der Paper for the next day of meeting: the National Pension …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objection. Go ahead to your next item. FIRST READING INTERNAL AUDIT AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day …
The Speaker The Speaker And the last is in the name of the Minister of Health. Minister. FIRST READING CHILDREN (NO. 2) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker We have one this morning to be tabled. And it is in the name of the Minister of Education. Minister. BERMUDA COLLEGE ANNUAL REPORT FOR 2018/19 —MOTION TO TAKE NOTE Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach . . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker That now brings us to the Orders of the Day. And I believe that the [Order] No. 2, the National Pension S cheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment Act 2019, is the first item of the day, in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. BILL SECOND READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Pearman. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I would like to thank the Minister for his remarks in opening the debate. I have listened carefully. And as always, he does a very thorough and detailed job in presenting the legislation. Mr. Speaker, you and I and others here in Parliament were in …
Mr. Sco tt Pearman Mr. Speaker, those are the highlevel points on this Bill. I know that having pointed out some of the negatives, this Government is probably unlikely to rethink. But this is probably not the best time to be doing this, at least in respect of th e latter aspect. And in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Deputy Speaker. D eputy Speaker, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had no intentions of speaking, but after hearing the Member from the Opposition speak about …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Simons, from constituency 8. Honourable Member Simons, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as m y colleague has said, in principle, we support the premise. And the debate around the expatriate worker, we said that, in essence, we support equalising the field. My colleague’s comment was a matter of timing. Is this the right time? The issues …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, given the cha llenging times that we face economically, a number of small employers are not able to keep up with their expenses. And, Mr. Speaker, they are deducting pension contributions from their employees’ salaries and are not . . . and those contributions are not being transmitted …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, be mindful of the time.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that at some point the Pension Commission is to be self -sufficient. An d they need, Mr. Speaker, more resources to get their job done effectively. It is my understanding they only have six employees, Mr. Speaker. And I can say emphatically, Mr. Speaker, …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to yield for lunch and come back after.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Do you intend to resume when we come back from lunch? 2626 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, I will, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Deputy Premier. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that we adjourn for lunch until 2:00 pm.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The House stands adjourned for lunch until 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:3 2 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:04 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. [Gavel] BILL SECOND READING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 [Continuation of debate thereon]
The Speaker The Speaker I believe that Mr. Simons was on his feet and, Mr. Simons, you had indicated that you wished to continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier, before we broke for lunch, I had concerns about employers who fell behind in paying their employees’ pension contributions to the fund and commission. The challenge that I have is that we have i nnocent people being made afoul of because of the fact …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Premier. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker Before you start, Premier, let me just acknowledge in the Gallery former Member of Parli ament, Mr. Hodgson. It is nice to see you in the Gallery today. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, continue. [National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment Act 2019, second readin g debate, co ntinuing ] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today we are fulfilling a pledge that was made to the people of this country by the Bermuda Progressive Labour Party for a …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. E. David Burt: So it needs to be said that where injustice is found, the Government must have the courage to correct that injustice. This change is not a popular change. And it is certainly not going to be a popular change for companies that have a majority …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Ms. Furbert from constituency 4, right?
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Number 4.
The Speaker The Speaker Constituency number 4.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Som etimes I think I wish I had a red light back here . . . back here we get missed some times.
The Speaker The Speaker No, no.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert But Mr. Speaker, I do want to speak to this Bill. It is a long -awaited Bill, particularly for those peopl e who find themselves in hardship—for our seniors and also for employers. I have had constituents call me numerous times, Mr. Speaker, and they want to sit down and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise Honourable Member Tyrrell f rom constituency 26. Honourable Member Tyrrell, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. 2630 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell: Mr. Speaker, having heard the Minister’s brief on this, I am cer tainly very happy to rise and support him in bringing these amendments to the National Pension Scheme. I congratulate him and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognis e the Honourable Member Atherden from constituency — Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Nineteen.
The Speaker The Speaker —number 19. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think one of my colleagues said earlier at the beginning that this is something that we recognise is important. And I think this is something that, in most cases, we understand and agree …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay, if perhaps you can do that. Because I think that sort of makes everybody understand how people might decide to st ill pay their workers. I do not think anybody wants to have a situation where people say, Oops! It’s coming up to a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Dunkley from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon colleagues. And first let me thank the Minister and the Pension Commission for their work in bringing this legislation here …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But it gets . . . I was star ting to thi nk about this myself the other day, Mr. Speaker. Can you imagine retiring at 65, thinking about how you will live and how long your pension will last . . . what do …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank colleagues for their contributions to this debate on this Bill. Before moving into Committee, I would like to provide some clarifying comments …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Minister has moved that we now go into Committee and I will ask the Deputy Speaker to r esume the Chair so we can go into Committee. House in Committee at 3:14 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chair man] COMMITTEE ON BILL NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in the Commi ttee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled National Pension S cheme (Occupational Pensions) Amendment Act 2019 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 1 is self - explanatory, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move that clause 1 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to moving clause 1? No speakers to it? Approved. Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: Clause 1 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, clause 2 contains the first floor amendment. Clause 2 amends section 2 (Interpretation). The definition of “administrator” has been amended to clarify that the term applies to trustees —
The Chairman Chairman One second, Minister. Has everybody got the amendment? Do you have the amendment, Mr. Pearman? Okay. Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: —amended to clarify that the term applies to trustees or boards of trustees who act as administrators of pension plans. The definition of “pensionable earnings” is amended to include …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The definition of “self - employed person” has been amended so that the Act applies to any person who is s elf-employed, whether Bermudian or non- Bermudian. The definition of “Bermudian” has been repealed as that term is no longer applicable. Amendments have also been …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. NEW CLAUSE 2A Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I also pr opose to add a new clause. This amendment is to address the issue that I mentioned in my brief brought forward by ABIR. Mr. Chairman, I propose the following: A new clause 2A: “After clause 2, insert …
The Chairman Chairman Do you want . . . does anyone care to reply to this? Mr. Pearman?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, a couple of questions arising just from clauses 2 and 2A, and if I put both questions at the same time that might be easiest. The first is that there was a revised version of the Bill kindly shared with the Opposition on Wednes-day afternoon, …
The Chairman Chairman Let me let Mr. Pearman finish.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was just going to follow up on that answer. So, the example that I gave of someone who is here for six months, or if it makes it better, six months and a day, and then is gone for three or four years and is …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Cole Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the amendment to [ new clause 2A,] (1B) . . . I think he is taking advice.
The Chairman Chairman No problem, you can wait. Kind of you. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I can clarify. There is an aggregation prov ision. If an employee comes here and works for six months and then leaves and then comes back and works for six months and a day, effective …
The Chairman Chairman I wanted to clear it too. Is that aggr egation . . . can it be over a three- or five -year period? He comes in 2019, works six months, he comes back in 2023? Hon. Curti s L. Dickinson: Any period.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Mr. Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons In regard to the amendment [New clause 2A,] (1B), making exemption for pensions qualified under the 401(k) in the US, will the Minister give an undertaking to ensure that other pension schemes that are recognised by federal governments, such as the UK and Canada, will be included at some point …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. N . H. Cole Simons The section . . . I am going to something else now in that area [clause] 2(a) . . . would I be correct in saying the “administrator” can also include corporate administrators? And in regard to 2(f) can the Minister give us some criteria that is used by the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to the Member’s first question about recognising the UK and Canada, giving an u ndertaking. The answer to that is I am not prepared to give an undertaking. There are some specific, unique characteristics with the United States’ plans. …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Jeanne Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to clause 2, I am goi ng to ask the question again because my mind just foresees a problem and I just want to clarify it. If you say that …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I will repeat the prior answer that I gave. There is a one- year requirement. And I have answered that the time that a person spends on the Island can be aggregated. And then there is another requirement with respect to an age …
The Chairman Chairman So, the pension will kick in after one year is up. Hon. Curtis L. Dick inson: After one year.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I think that should answer that. Mr. Commissiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just want to commend the Minister. I am talking about clause 43 here to trans ition from a 24 month or less timeframe to one that is up to 12 months.
The Chairman Chairman Are you putting a motion on the floor?
The Chairman Chairman What clause are you in?
The Chairman Chairman No. We are on clause 2.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong My apologies.
The Chairman Chairman We have not gotten that far yet. Minister. You are speeding, Rolfe. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 2 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 2 be approved with the amendments. Any objections to that? Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 2 passed as amended.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now pr opose to move clauses 3 through 10.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 3 amends section 4 (Obligation of employers to establish and maintain pension plans). The amendment requires an employer to apply to register a pension plan within 90 days (not less than 120 days) of establishing the plan, and the reference to the prescribed form …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clauses 3 through 10? Mr. Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question relates to clause 3, and this is the registration period. So , this really does not have an ything to do with the other changes to the Bill; all it is doing is making the registration period more onerous by bringing it from six …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simons?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Clause 5, [amending section 7]—
The Chairman Chairman Seven?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simo ns It reads “in paragraph (a) by deleting ‘in the form prescribed by regulations’ and substituting ‘on the form provided by the Commi ssion.’” My question is, is there a difference in the manner in which the forms are to be submitted in r egard to the regu lations and in …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, in response to the first question with respect to the reduction in the period of time required to register a plan, the six - month period was in the original legislation from over 20 years ago. Pension plans are now a regular feature …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Curtis L. Dicki nson: With respect to the question around records retention, guidance notes will pr ovide clarity to administrators and plans around records retention. And the period of time for which records need to be retained will be seven years.
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Simo ns?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I would like to ask the Mini ster to address my question in regard to section 7, please.
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to repeat it?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons As we know, the annual r eports have to be filed in a specified format. And he is changing the format from a format prescribed by the regulations to a format prescribed by the Commission. And my question is, is there a difference in the format? And if there is …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, the new forms will not differ from the existing forms. It is i ntended to make it easier to introduce enhancements via consultation with the industry.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers on clauses 3 through 10? There appear to be none. Minister, you want to move? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 3 through 10 be appr oved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 3 through 10 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 3 through 10 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I propose to move clauses 11 through 18.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 11 amends section 17 (Eligibility for membership) by providing for an employee to be eligible for membership in a pension plan if he has attained the age of 23 years but has not attained the normal retirement age. Clause 12 inserts Part IIA (Approval …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clauses 11 through 18? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Cole Simons.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Clause 11, can the Minister provide a live example for the amendment? I read it and I am not clear, in my mind, as to what is going on here in this amendment. It says an employee must have reached an age of 23 years but has not attained the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, this language in clause 11 is seeking to correct an error in the original legislation.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: And so, it says . . . it su ggests, it is intended that a person between the age of 23 and whatever normal retirement age, is required to participate in the plan.
The Chairman Chairman Any further . . . Mr. Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is clause 19 of the Bill and it is the change to 19.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members We are not on [clause] 19.
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, it is [clause] 18, I am sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 11 through 18 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 11 through 18 be approved. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 11 through 18 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Minister. 2642 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now pr opose to move clause 19, which has a slight amendment.
The Chairman Chairman [Clause] 19, continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickin son: Clause 19 amends section 24 (Restrictions on refunds) by providing for a lump sum refund to members or former members of a pension plan who have attained retirement age or who have retired, and for the Minister to prescribe regul ations in …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers?
Mr. Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister, I just really had a question around that change in the definition. Given that in the primary Act the terminology “terminated” and “termination of employment” is a defined term, and you are substituting it with “retired,” which is, unless I am mistaken, not a defined …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I am advised that the proposed change here is intended to be a clarifying change. And there are instances when persons have been retired but still . . . have retired and be eligible to receive their 25 per cent …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Any further speakers?
Mr. Pearman. Mr. Scott Pearman How would that differ just from the co ncept of termination of employment? Could you assist with this? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I am advised that a person can terminate their employment but still continue to accrue benefits.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Will you move— Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 19 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman As amended? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 19 be approved as amended. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 19 passed as amended.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now pr opose to move clauses 20 through 27.
The Chairman Chairman [Clause] 20 . . . I am sorry? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clauses 20 through 27.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 20 amends section 28 (Exceptions to general restrictions) to refer to court ordered property settlement agreements. Clause 21 amends section 31 (Survivor benefits on death before pension commences) by providing for a lump sum to be paid to the beneficiary of a member of …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any further speakers to clauses 20 through 27? Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 20 through 27 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 20 through 27 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 20 through 27 passed.] Hon. Curtis L . Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 28 through 34.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 28 amends section 49 (Orders by Commission) to provide for the Commission to make an order with respect to a person dealing with a local ret irement product. Clause 29 amends section 50 (Advice by Commission as to conformity) to provide for the Commission …
The Chairman Chairman Anyone want to speak to clauses 28 through 34? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 28 through 34 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 28 through 3 4 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 28 through 34 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now pr opose to move clause 35, which has an amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 35 amends section 67 (Offences, penalties and orders for payment) by providing for the Commission to take into account whether or not Guidance Notes issued by the Com-mission had been followed when determining if a person had contravened the principal Act, Regulations, or …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clause 35 and the amendment? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I propose to move clause 35 as amended.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that c lause 35 be approved, as amended. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 35 passed as amended.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now pr opose to move clauses 36 through 42.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. 2644 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 36 inserts section 68A (Commission may impose civil penalties). The amendment provides: (a) for the Commission to i mpose a civil penalty where a person is liable to pros ecution for an offence …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any speakers? Mr. Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Cha irman. Minister, clause 36 inserts section 68A which provides for the Commission, which is a quasi - government quango, to impose civil penalties. Most other legislation, indeed, all other legislation I can think of off the top of my head in Bermuda where i t imposes …
The Chairman Chairman Any further . . . Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I would r efer the Honourable Member to clause 31, which reads: Clause 31 amends section 52 (Appeals to Supreme C ourt) by providing for persons to appeal to the Supreme Court against a decision of the Commi …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Mr. Scott Pea rman No, Mr. Chairman. I am grateful.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. No further speakers. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I propose to approve clauses 36 through 42.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 36 through 42 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 36 through 42 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now pr opose to move clause 43, which has an amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 43 provides a savings and transitional provision on the day this Act Bermuda House of Assembly comes into operation with respect to: (a) trustees; (b) interest payable by employers on unpaid contributions; (c) persons employed under the Bermuda I mmigration and Protection Act 1956; …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Mr. Commissiong. Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not going to belabour this. I just think this is a very good amendment here, consistent with the need for equity here for our Bermudian workers to—
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Commissiong, do you have any problems with the clause? We are not in general debate.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, sir, I appreciate that. And no, I fully support the clause and I commend the Minister for making this amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Take your seat, take your seat. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 43 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that c lause 43 be approved. Any objections to that . . . as amended? No objections. Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 43 passed as amended.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now move clause 44.
The Chairman Chairman [Clause] 44, continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clause 44 provides for the Minister to bring this Act into operation by Notice pub-lished in the Gazette , and different days may be appointed for different provisions.
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to that? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 44 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 44 be approved. Are there any objections to that? No objections. Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 44 passed.] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinso n: Finally, Mr. Chairman, I need to make an amendment to Schedule 1.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. AMENDMENT TO SCHEDULE 1 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: In Schedule 1, in par agraph 32, delete the word “52(4)” and substitute with “56(4).”
The Chairman Chairman Any commen ts? No. Continue. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the amendment to Schedule 1 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Schedule 1 be approved as amended. Any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Schedule 1 passed as amended.]
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to do . . . there is only one Schedule. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman That is all I see. Okay, Minister, do you want to . . . no, no, there is a Schedule 2. [Crosstalk] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson : Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman You have got a Schedule 2 here. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: And [Schedule] 3?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you can move Schedules 2 and 3. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move Schedules 2 and 3 and the Second Schedule. 2646 15 November 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: It has been moved that Schedules 2 and 3 and the Second Schedule …
The Chairman Chairman You have done that. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I do not need to?
The Chairman Chairman No. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Just move the preamble, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. And you can move that the Bill be reported to the House. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House.
The Chairman Chairman As amended. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: As amended.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as amended. [Motion carried: The National Pension Scheme (O ccupational Pensions) Amendment Act 2019 was co nsidered …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the National Pension Scheme (Occupational Pe nsions) Amendment Act 2019 being reported to the House as amended? There are none. It has, and that brings that item to a close. The next item on the Order Paper for discussion today is [Order] No. 4. …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objections. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I stand today to speak on the BermudaFirst report. You are well aware that the Progressive Labour Party stated in its platform: “In order for Bermuda to succeed, we need to return our economy to a path …
The Speaker The Speaker I will take your point of order. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I did mention that these are recommen dations by the Committee, not necessarily has the Government accepted all of them. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: And that is the point I want to make. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: This report is very interesting. And I note what the Minister said with respect to this Committee goes back a long way —to 2009, I believe, he said. And this is a sort of second go round with further recommendations, which we are all …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of order. I think the Member is unintentionally misleading the House. The majority of students in Bermuda still attend public school and not private school. That matter was already cleared up in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am delighted to hear that, but I think that is still an issue now that we are facing with respect to parents . . . in the vernacular, they are fleeing public school to some degree because of …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Once again, I think, the Member is misleading the House unintentionally. The students from T. N. Tatum have not been shuffled around. They have been transferred to Sandys Secondary Middle School, Whitney Insti tute and Dellwood Middle School. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Member? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And that was certainly . . . and I appreciate the Minister’s intervention there. And obviously I know he will speak to it when he gets his turn. And, obviously, he understands that parents are looking for answers, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan I do not know . . . I did not see that Member at that meeting. I was a PLP parli amentarian at that meeting, and not one PLP Member attacked anyone. We listened and we listened. And I take great umbrage to that Member suggesting an ything that would …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, I would advise you that hearsay is not necessarily what you want to be going on. And if you were not present there, I would restrict from using hearsay. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I will clarify that. So, there was a PLP Senator Richardson who upbraided those doctors in …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan Point of order. I did not say that I was wrong, I said that the Honourable Member’s speaking was wrong. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He was a Senator. I think he is misunderstanding me.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) Swan The Senator did not speak at that meeting. I want to make that clear.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: It was never . . . I never suggested that the Senator spoke at the meeting. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: No, I did not. He criticised the doctors after the meeting, not at the meeting. Now, the Minister of Health, in …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, we will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, can the Honourable Member . . . we are debating the report and I have not heard him speak about the report at all, he is all over the place right now.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, just be mindful that we are on a particular topic and if you can relate that to your comments we would be quite all right. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I am obliged. I am obliged. So, as I go through the report . . . I am …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, just note you have got less than five minutes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes. I am going to finish i n probably less than a minute, Mr. Speaker. In the conclusion, it speaks to the metaphor or the analogy, saying that in order for us to achieve ev erything …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We recognise the Minister of Education now. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good evening, colleagues. Good evening, Bermuda.
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The BermudaFirst report, while being a comprehensive report, I wish to just di scuss the areas that deal with education. I am appr e-ciative of the report, and it was divided into two parts: one called The Current State of Educatio n and one …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: To break that down in terms that could be greatly understood within these Chambers and possibly outside these Chambers, when we talk about 11 schools, that leaves us with 7 schools that are unneeded, that equates to around $12 million in resources that could …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak?
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to rise to make sure that I was recorded in this debate. This Berm udaFirst report was commissioned underneath my hand. The committee was appointed and they did yeoman’s service. And I want to be on record thanking them for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Minister Wilson? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by joining the chorus as just presented by the Honourable Premier with respect to thanking the members of BermudaFirst for providing their …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Quality, finance payment reform and informatics integration, regulatory reform, universal coverage and preventative health, and long- term care. There were a number of key themes that resonated to me that were part of the report. In particular, as I said, Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Co mmissiong. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, thank you, so much. The BermudaFirst report, of course, is the subject of this debate. And this is sort of the second iteration of this concept. We know there was a prev ious report, some years ago. You had then Opposition Leader Kim Swan and others who were …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise Minister Caines. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speak er. Mr. Speaker, I have had the opportunity to look at the BermudaFirst report, specifically, the recommendations that have been made with reference to immigration. Let me say from …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Smith. Honourable Member Smith, from constituency 31, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mr. Ben Smith I also would like to thank the team that put together this report. And I would like to thank the Honourable Minister for opening a dialogue that we actually started earlier today. The Immigration Reform Committee has spent a long time going through all of the steps that we have …
The Speaker The Speaker Excuse me for a minute. Deputy? Continue. B ermuda House of Assembly [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Deputy Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. Ben Smith We are looking at the reform of how we are going to, in essence, put Band-A ids on what immigration is going to look like, going forward— this is not an easy process. The Minister has touched on a lot of those points. When we are sitting in that room, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member, Mr. Swan, from St. George's. Mr. Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I too would like to congratulate those who participated in BermudaFirst 2019, having had some ex-perience with BermudaFirst 2009 as a co- chairman. And I will go back there to 2008 when it was struck. Then- Premier Dr. Ewart Brown, and myself as Opposition Leader, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I am an athlete by trade, but I do not practice it. So, I am a recovering athlete. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I make light of that, but there are a lot of cultural connections to our diets. You know, the same way persons would celebr ate the fact that . . . I looked in that desk right there, and it showed us where, you know, you used to write in …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And selected success stories are not what I am here to talk about, as it r elates to this report, Mr. Speaker. ( Good evening.) No. Because there are too many examples in our history where persons have figured us out, studied us and figured out how to make it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member. That brings us to a close. And I think that brings us to a close of the Orders that were being done today, correct? So, we will now do our third reading. [Inaudible interjections and laughter] …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? No objections. Continue on. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD REA DING NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? It has now passed. [Motion carried: The National Pension Scheme (O ccupational Pensions) Amendment Act 2019 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy [Premier]. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that we adjourn to November 29th at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? None. We are now adjourned. We stand adjourned until 10:00 am on the 29th of November. Members, have a good weekend. [At 7:26 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 29 November 2019.] 2678 15 November 2019 Official Hansard …
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