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May 28, 2025

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Session Summary

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The House met for a routine budget session focusing on the Cabinet Office and Digital Innovation Ministry's spending plans. Premier David Burt presented a detailed budget overview showing a 14% increase in spending, mainly due to salary increases negotiated with unions and digital transformation projects. The session covered six government departments under the Cabinet Office umbrella, with discussions on staffing changes, international office operations, and various public service improvement initiatives. No major debates or controversies occurred during this portion of the session.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date May 28, 2025
Session 2024/2025
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Speakers 17
Speeches 832

Key Topics

Cabinet Office budget debate for 2025/26 fiscal year ($13.8 million allocation)Digital transformation initiatives and government modernization programsInternational offices operations (London, Washington DC, Brussels)Public service reforms including new job evaluation framework and salary reviewsCommunity investments including $1 million for community clubs and $500,000 for cooperative food store initiative

Bills & Motions

Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2025 - introduced by Premier (requires Governor's recommendation, will appear on next meeting's agenda)
Budget estimates for Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43, and 80 - moved for committee consideration (approved to proceed)

Notable Moments

Government announced plans for a cooperative food store at the former Heron Bay Primary School site to help reduce food costs for families
Premier highlighted a major overhaul of the 50-year-old public service job evaluation system to better compete with private sector salaries
Funding allocated for community club capital improvements after successful previous program that helped reopen facilities

Debate Transcript

832 speeches from 17 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. How is everyone this morning? Ms. Beale is going to lead us in prayer this morning. PRAYERS [Prayers read by M s. Beale , Deputy Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ms. Beale. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the House is now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 26 May 2025]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of the sitting of 26 May 2025 have been circulated. Are there any amendments required? There are none. The M inutes will be printed as confirmed. [Minutes of 26 May 2025 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker We have received notice from Minister Adams that he will be absent today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker There are no questions this morning . CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP King, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Robert King Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker and Members of this Honourable House and the listening public. I just want to extend congratulations to Ralph Scott, the young man who's attending a prestigious university where he's a basketball star. He potentially has a career in . . . thank you, the whole …
The Speaker The Speaker Any other Member? Mr. Whip , you have your three minutes.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and welcome back.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. 926 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell: Mr. Speaker, it's with some sadness that I ask for condolences to be sent to the family of Ms. Una Simmons of Spice Hill, Warwick. Ms. Simmons had been sick previously. She's in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any other M ember? MP Ming.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back as well.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Renee Ming Mr. Speaker , this morning I rise on my feet to just congratulate the 28 students from the Bermuda College that have been accepted to do an overseas Work, Study + Live [Abroad] programme. It's the first time that it's being offered outside of the UK, so it's been in …
The Speaker The Speaker Very good.
Mrs. Renee Ming So, we wish them all the best. I hope that they take every opportunity available to them and they get much from it. I'd like to associate MP F oggo with these comments as well .
The Speaker The Speaker Do the whole House on that one.
Mrs. Renee Ming We’ll do the whole H ouse.
The Speaker The Speaker There you go.
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other M ember wish to make a contribution? There are no other Members? Thank you. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There's one B ill to be introduced this morning by the Minister of Finance. Mr. Premier. PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2025 Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and welcome back. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill which according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Con-stitution requires …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. There are no other Bills to be introduced this morning. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, would you like to introduce, and for the listening audience today, the first matter of-fers the Cabinet Office to be debated this morning, and the Premier and Minister of Finance will lead that. Would you like to take us into C ommittee now? Hon. E. David Burt: Sure, …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. I will call on [MP] Scott Pearman to Chair the Committee. MP Pearman—you are the Chair for the rest of . . . for the start of this session. Thank you, Members. House in Committee at 10:07 am [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance. It has been moved that Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43, and 80 be taken under consideration. Is there any objection? There's no objection. Please proceed when you're ready. Hon. E. David Burt: Of course, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chair man, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, noted. HEAD 9 —CABINET OFFICE Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 9, the Cabinet Office, found on pages B-38 through B-44, and C -4, C-9, and C -17 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: And total $520,000, with $20,000 allocated for office furniture and equipment within the Cabinet Office and $500,000 allocated for the Cooperative Food Supply Initiative. Mr. Chair man, as part of our ongoing work to reduce the cost of living for Bermuda families, the G overnment …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: They played a central role in developing and implementing the Public Service Strategic Plan 2024- 27, comprehensive blueprint for modernised public service with a focus on digital transformation and enhanced customer service, and I have spoken on that particular statement initiative in the House. Furthermore, …
The Chairman Chairman London Office. Hon. E. David Burt: Which is the London O ffice, a budget of $1.456 million, an increase of $221,000. Mr. Chair man, the London Office continues to drive forward Bermuda's relationship with the United Kingdom through the highest -level dialogue with the UK Government, and by continued engagements …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Business Unit 19090, Digital Transformation Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Moving to the final business unit, 19090 Digital Transformation, $975,000, a new allocation for this year. Mr. Chairman, created in 2024, the Digital Transformation team is responsible for modernising how public services are delivered in Bermuda. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Premier. Minister, I think when you are ready, we're moving on to, is it the Post Office first? Head 13. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Head 13. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Please proceed when ready. HEAD 13 —BERMUDA POST OFFICE Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I stand to present the 2025/26 budget for Head 13, the Bermuda Post Office, as out-lined in the Budget Book, pages B -45 through B -51. The …
The Chairman Chairman I think it's actually just page B -46. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Page B -46.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: This represents a $510,000 increase, or 5.3 per cent over last year's original estimate of $9.62 million. The increase is primarily driven by salary adjustments in accordance with negotiated agreements effective 1 April 2025. Salaries and wages continue t o represent the Post Office's …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Please proceed. This is [page] B -52. HEAD 18 —DEPARTMENT OF LIBRARIES AND ARCHIVES Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the 2025/26 budget for Head 18, the Department of Libraries and Archives, found on pages B -52 through B …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. And for the benefit of the listening public, FTEs are full -time equivalent employees. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, yes. In total, the department operates with 24 full - time Bermudian employees, an increase of one over last year. Mr. Chairman, revenue remains modest. Just $8,000 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. And just for the benefit of the listening public, the performance measures you just identified were at pages B -55 and B - 56, and the capital acquisition you discussed for the li-braries was at page C -9. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please proceed. Is your next head going to be Department of Planning? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I've now concluded Head 18.
The Chairman Chairman Apologies. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And I'll now move to —
The Chairman Chairman I'm jumping ahead out of excitement. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I'll move to Head 32, Department of Planning. Don't get too excited. I am not going to keep you long. [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Not as long as some people would like for me to keep them. …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Revenue Outlook Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Revenue outlook. Mr. Chairman, turning to page B -59, the department expects to generate $1.936 million in revenue, a 14 per cent increase over last year. This growth is driven by robust development activity across the residential, tourism, and commercial sectors. Residential, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. So, if we pause just for a second there, we are in the Committee of Supply for Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for budget year 2025/26. This is a four-hour debate, and we have covered the first six heads. So, we're moving . . . excuse me, …
The Chairman Chairman Well, I stand corrected, Minister for the Cabinet Office and Digital Intervention. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Not sure why . . . why they say—
The Chairman Chairman Did I say of ? I said of . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, everybody says of .
The Chairman Chairman There we go. HEAD 43 —DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION AND DIGITAL TECHNOLOGIES Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I rise to present the 2025/26 budget for Head 43, Department of Information and Digital Technologies, better known as IDT, as outlined on pages B -62 through B -65 of the Budget …
The Chairman Chairman Page C -2, I think, but I will double - check while you're go on. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: These funds are not merely an investment in technology; they represent strategic steps towards a more resilient and efficient and responsive Government. As part of its ongoing commitment to digital transformation and secure service delivery, IDT will cont inue investing in modernising the …
The Chairman Chairman Page C -9, it is. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Page C -9. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. These strategic initiatives are crucial for enabling a resilient, efficient, and data- driven Government. Mr. Chairman, while some budget lines show reduced allocations, I want to be clear. These are not …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Output Measures Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Output Measures, pages B - 64 and B -65. Mr. Chairman, I will state up front that not all service targets were met. The team worked under pres-sure to manage a post -attack backlog while pushing forward critical upgrades. Business Unit 53030, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you and that, for those listening, is at [page] B -75 of the Budget Book. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: We're smoking, aren't we?
The Chairman Chairman We are smoking. [Laughter] HEAD 80 —OFFICE OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND PROCUREMENT Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I rise to present the budget for Head 80, the Office of Project Man-agement and Procurement [OPMP] as found on pages B-75 through B -77 of the Estimates and Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman I'm pausing you there, Minister. The Budget Book says five sessions, but that should be eight sessions, should it? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Umm—
The Chairman Chairman One or the other. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: One or the other. 944 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay, please continue. Business Unit 90010, Project Management Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Business unit 90010, Project Management unit: • Conducted six half -day …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. Members, we, and . . . Honourable Members and indeed members of the listening public, we are in the Committee of Supply for Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the budget year 2025/26. We have been listening this morning to the budget debate, or the beginning …
Mr. Robert King Good morning, Mr. Chairman, —
The Chairman Chairman Good morning.
Mr. Robert King —Members of this Honourable House and the listening public. First off, I want to commend the hard work of the persons who work under the Cabinet, all the supporting staff for the hard work that they do to meet the needs of this community. So just, you know, to set …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, that's page B -40 of the Budget Book —B-40.
Mr. Robert King Correct. I note that the London Office under [programme] 0902, Economic Policy and Foreign Affairs.
Mr. Robert King [Business unit] 19035, London Office, $1.68 million, actual; revised 2024/25, $1.390 million; estimate 2025/26, $1,456 million. [Business unit 19045], Washington DC Office, $393,000; revised 2024/25, $415,000; estimate 2025/26, $462,000. [Business unit 19075] Brussels Office, $342,000, actual 2023/24; revised 2024/25, $410,000; and estimate 2025/26, $343,000. Under the— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King No, no, no, just setting the table. Don't worry, I'll get to that. Under the Cabinet Office, page B -41, current account estimates.
Mr. Robert King [Page] B -41, Training $17,000, 2023/24 actual; revised 2024/25, $143,000; estimate 2025/26, $50,000. Professional Services, actual 2023/24, $2.204 million; revised 2024/25, $2.851 million; estimate 2025/26, $3.775 million.
Mr. Robert King So, regarding training, the question is, understanding that we're seeking innovation through digital technology, reliance on IT infrastructure and processes would suggest that training on the new systems 946 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly would be a priority to ensure efficiencies and improve performance with …
The Chairman Chairman Will you take a point of information, MP King?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: If I could —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Premier, you have the floor. POINT OF INFORMATION Hon. E. David Burt: Just to go back to . . . thank you Mr. Chairman. Just to go back to the question on training. I just want to make sure I get it correct, because I heard the Shadow Minister …
The Chairman Chairman So, I think he said page B -41.
Mr. Robert King [B-]41.
The Chairman Chairman And the revised of last year was $143,000. The estimate, at least as stated in the Budget Book, is $50,000. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, so he's comparing revised, not the original.
The Chairman Chairman I believe so. I'll defer to the Honourable Member. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King I'm referring to the estimate for 2025/26. The Chairman: Right. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. Robert King Correct. The revised of the original. Correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, I trust that that question is clear. MP King, please, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King Page B -41, Revenue Source, 8316, PATI, Public Access to Information fees. What we see is an increase in salaries with no meaningful improvement in service delivery. What performance measures will be changed to ensure that customer feedback on service deli very performance will improve? Head 9, page B -42, …
Mr. Robert King [Business unit] 19035, London Office.
Mr. Robert King We had three employees, actual 2023/24; revised 2024/25, we had three; estimate 2025/26, five. According to what's been documented in employee numbers, I don't see 19045, Washington DC Office. I also don't see 19075, Brussels Office mentioned. I don't see any staff. What I do refer to is on Head …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I see. And that's page B -42.
Mr. Robert King That is page B -42, correct.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you.
Mr. Robert King But in terms of looking for the salaries and the staff, refer to Head 9, Cabinet Office, General Summary, page B -40, 0902, Economic Policy and Foreign Affairs, so you can find the section.
The Chairman Chairman [Programme] 0902 on page B -40 versus page B -42, yes. Okay. Thank you, MP.
Mr. Robert King Question: on Head 9, Cabinet Office on page B -40, General Summary, 0902, Economic Policy and Foreign Affairs. The Washington and Brussels Offices have a combined total of $825,000 recorded as expenditure. And as I've said, there are apparently no staff. If these two offices had been closed, the decision …
Mr. Robert King Well, what I'm suggesting is it's in the [Budget] Book. It doesn't exist.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It's incorrect. It does exist.
Mr. Robert King No, no, no, it does. But when you're listing the London Office, why aren’t the Brussels and the Washington Offices documented there? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Okay, so they've got budgets, but they don't have a cost estimate. But we'll get to that. You'll be able to answer that a little bit later. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Yes, so the interesting thing is that we've got a budget that was two months postponed, so that— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, what is your point of order? Hon. E. David Burt: Sorry, Mr. Chairman, I'm not going to allow this Honourable Member to talk foolishness on the floor.
The Chairman Chairman What's your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The [ Honourable Member ] is misleading the House. It is clear that the offices are not closed because they have budget allocations. So, the Member can ask his questions, but to make the pronouncement that these …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, thank you, Premier. MP, you have your answer in relation to that statement.
Mr. Robert King I would suggest that it's disrespectful to the listening public to have a Budget Book that doesn't accurately reflect what is happening. That would be disrespectful. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The Budget Book clearly and accu-rately reflects what is taking place. If the Honourable Member wants to ask the question, we can provide the answers. But to make …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, MP King, please be guided—
Mr. Robert King A point of clarification, sir.
The Chairman Chairman —obviously you've asked a question, or you may ask a question.
Mr. Robert King What I'm suggesting, Mr. Chairman, is that it gives the appearance that these offices don't exist or are closed because there's a budget, but they are not itemised the same way that the London Office has been itemised with the specific number. That is what I'm referring to. Whether or …
The Chairman Chairman Right, Honourable Member, I think we have the question, or I hope that those in the Chamber have the question.
Mr. Robert King Well, it appears that the question is . . . it does exist, but it's not recorded as the London Office has been recorded in that specific section.
The Chairman Chairman And this is in relation to page B -42 of the Budget Book.
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Please proceed. I think the Premier has indicated he will answer that question in due course and you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King Wonderful, thank you. Question: Has the public sector review completed? The business unit 19080 shows discontinued. If concluded, is this going to be tabled in the House? 948 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: This is page B -44, Honourable Member?
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Right, so business unit 19080, Head of Public Service, page B -44, the Budget Book, references to discontinued.
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please proceed.
Mr. Robert King Page B -44, Head 9, Cabinet, Performance Measures, business unit 19045, Washington Office. Who is doing the job? How is this exceptional figure of three chosen as the target to achieve? With these targets being presented as aspirational goals, what is the target for the Casino Gaming Commission? I guess …
The Chairman Chairman Just for clarification, we're on page B - 43 and we're on business unit 19045 and you're referring to the establishment of the All Bermuda Parliamentary Group at the bottom of the page.
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please proceed, MP.
Mr. Robert King What does the All Bermuda Party Parliamentary Group look like? Is the Government suggesting that it form another political party? [Laughter]
Mr. Robert King I'm just . . . I mean . . . here, it's unclear what it actually is. So, I'd like some clarification on that. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order? Hon. E. David Burt: May I please ask, and I know it is not your role as you are sitting in the Chair, to please ask Members of your party in the Opposition, to learn this—
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is clearly misleading the House. As it has been stated in this House on many times, it has been stated in other places —all Overseas Territories have an All Party Parliamentary Group in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Honourable MP King, I think you got your answer there to the question on page B -43, but if not, please proceed.
Mr. Robert King I want to thank the Premier and Finance Minister for giving me a clear answer on the question. So, I appreciate that, and especially the de-livery of that answer. That was extremely helpful, sir. Thank you for that. Page B -44, Head 9, Performance Measures, business unit 19080, Head of …
Mr. Robert King Develop and implement an updated Government reform plan. Actual outcome, 50 per cent, 2023/24. Revised forecast, 2024/25, 100 per cent. Target outcome, 2025/26, discontinued. Hon. E. David Burt: Excuse me, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, are you inviting a point of clarification? Hon. E. David Burt: I need to just try —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Premier, are you inviting — Hon. E. David Burt: —to make sure that my team can answer the questions, if the Honourable Member will yield.
The Chairman Chairman Is this a point of clarification? Hon. E. David Burt: I'm just asking . . . Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. One moment, please. MP King, are you happy to yield for a point of clarification? B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Honourable Premier, you have the floor. [Crosstalk ]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. MP King, the floor is yours . We're on page B-44, I believe.
Mr. Robert King Correc t. Head 9, Cabinet Offic e, page B-4 0, General Summary 0903, Government Reform. We've got [business units] 19020, Safety and Health; 19040, Ministry Administration; 19055, Management Services.
The Chairman Chairman And, MP, forgive me just for a second. We've gone back now to page B-4 0, correct?
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank y ou. Please proceed.
Mr. Robert King So, when we're looking at the budget, if we go back to 2017/18 for Health and Safety, and go all the way up to 2024/25, we've got over $500,000. And we've got a similar sort of s ituation for [business unit] 19040, Ministry Administration, Management Services was $591,000 in 2017/18. …
Mr. Robert King Understanding that these audits have taken place, which have identified what the—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sorry. We hav e a point of order? One moment, please, MP King. Yes. What's your point of order, Minister? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The Member needs to be . . . The Member is misleading. The debate on national security that he participated …
The Chairman Chairman Right. MP King, you have the floor. My understanding is your questions were about page B-4 0, [General Summary] 0903, safety and health administration, but if I've misunderstood . . . Mr. Robert King: No, no, no. No problem, because the Minister also made a statement about uniformed services and …
The Chairman Chairman I see.
Mr. Robert King Corrections would be considered uniformed services.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Well, obviously, be guided — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Absolutely not.
The Chairman Chairman One moment, please, [Shadow] Minister. Just be guided not to reflect on the debate, but you're entitled to ask questions on those topics on those pages.
Mr. Robert King So, basically, this is in reference to the Minister's statement, not specifically as relates to this Cabinet head.
The Chairman Chairman The statement in the brief as given this morning.
Mr. Robert King Yes, exactly.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed.
Mr. Robert King So, the question is, health and safety audits were conducted, uniformed services, et cetera, and known hazards to staff and inmates have gone un-addressed despite the audit. So, I would like to know what strategic plan is in place with deadlines, timelines, et cetera, and resource allocation to address those …
The Chairman Chairman Member, before you move on, let me just recognise the Cabinet secretary who is in the Gal-lery. Thank you. Please proceed. [ Committee of Supply, continuing]
Mr. Robert King Business unit 19085, PATI/PIPA Unit. Performance measure: respond within five working days to request assistance with administrative and legal aspects of public access to information . Actual outcome 2023/24, 100 per cent. Revised forecast 2024/25, 100 per cent. Target outcome 2025/26, 950 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, and that's in relation to page B - 44, business unit 19085, PATI/PIPA Unit.
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP King. Please continue.
Mr. Robert King Question. Page B -44, business unit 19085, PATI/PIPA Unit. Performance measures. The [brief] from the Minister spoke to customer satisfaction surveys. Wouldn't it be more . . . the question is, wouldn't it be helpful to determine if the response was productive? Were the achieved goals and aims achieved by …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, still there.
Mr. Robert King —Unit, performance measures. Question: Understanding that there is a suspicion and or perception that charging fees and the matrix that has been formulated regarding PATI requests will dissuade members of the public from seeking the answers to questions t hat are in the public's interest, how will the Government measure …
The Chairman Chairman Just a moment, MP King. We have a point of order. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of clarification.
The Chairman Chairman Point of clarification. MP King, will you take a point of clarification? Will you yield? Mr. Robert King: Not yet.
The Chairman Chairman Not yet. Sorry, Minister. He won't yield. Please continue.
Mr. Robert King On one hand, PATI requests will now potentially become a source of revenue for Government. Making money — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of order.
Mr. Robert King —is a good thing.
The Chairman Chairman One moment, please, MP. We have a point of order. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: If he doesn’t want to accept the point of clarification. Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, point of order. What's your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Standing Order 20: Anticipation] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The Member is anticipating debate. As he knows, we will be debating the budgets for the Privacy Information Commissioner and the other —I can't remember the name of the …
The Chairman Chairman So, Minister, as I see it, the business unit under discussion 19085 is at page B -44, and it's in this debate. And, therefore, as long as he is not mis-leading the House—and if he is, you can pull him up on it— he's entitled to ask these questions, I …
Mr. Robert King Thank you for your guidance and input from the Minister as well. But if the requests are not handled with respect and transparency and the standard of accountability that is demanded of Government officials and officers of the civil service, the reduction of PATI requests may be interrupted wrongly. So, …
The Chairman Chairman Just a minute, Minister. MP King, will you take a point of clarification?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, the MP yields. You have the floor, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: As I stated, anticipating debate. If the Member had looked on pages B -36, the Privacy Commissioner's Office, and B -37, the performance measures that we will be debating later, the questions he …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Minister, that's a fair point. MP King —I appreciate that this topic is [covered by] two different ministries or, more specifically, between this Ministry and the non- ministry debate for later this afternoon, so I will give you some leeway.
Mr. Robert King Yes, yes, that's fine.
The Chairman Chairman But do be guided by the answer, and I think the answer from the Minister was a fair point.
Mr. Robert King Well, you know what?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. MP King, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King In the spirit of collaboration, absolutely. I mean, I'll have another opportunity, and this Honourable House will, to revisit it if necessary. So, thank you for that.
The Chairman Chairman Please continue when ready, MP King.
Mr. Robert King Page B -43, business units 19000 through 19080, performance measures.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Mr. Robert King: [Business unit] 19000, General Administration.
The Chairman Chairman That's the top of page B -43, yes.
Mr. Robert King Actual outcome, 2023/24, three- day turnaround of Cabinet conclusions, 90 per cent of the time; 100 per cent revised forecast, 2024/25; 100 per cent target outcome, 2025/26. The question I have regarding [business unit] 19000, General Administration performance measures is, What are we actually measuring? If we're saying that 90 …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed.
Mr. Robert King Page B -43, business unit 19020, Health and Safety . . . Safety and Health performance measures. How many of the recommendations remain outstanding? How many buildings are still offline waiting to be repaired? Page B -43, business unit 19035, London Office performance measures. Purpose of the office, roles and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, page B -41.
Mr. Robert King Subjective Analysis of Current Account Estimates, object code description. Since being elected in 2017 and excluding COVID -19 spending, Cabinet Office spending has more than doubled, driven by a 113 per cent increase in salaries, 11 per cent (much higher than inflation) and a 250 per cent increase in professional …
Mr. Robert King Rentals. Actual Outcome, 2023/24 $1,093,000. Revised Forecast, 2024/25, $1.144 mil-lion. Estimate, 2025/26, $1,135,000. Question: For a staff of 45 and expected to grow to 51, it appears disproportionate. Furthermore, wouldn't it make good economic sense t o repair, renovate an existing government building or to purchase a building instead of …
Mr. Robert King Well, you know what? We've already gone past that. [Laughter]
Mr. Robert King And then the breakage fee of almost $500,000. The question I have is this: If we have an economy that is growing, a historic surplus for the second time in history, under a Progressive Labour Party Government, why hasn't the Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance made getting this actual …
Mr. Robert King However, the words we —
The Chairman Chairman Just a moment, please, MP. Pause. Yes, we have a point of order. What's your point of order, Minister? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I'm just trying to figure out . . . the MP, I believe, is misleading the House. He's going into surpluses and …
The Chairman Chairman So, I had understood, leaving aside the word “rant,” I had understood that we were on page B - 41 under Rentals, under subjective analysis, but I will let the Honourable MP confirm where he was. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I was just . . . because he had …
The Chairman Chairman Oh, rent, not rant — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —where we are now. He said rentals and where we are now, which would fall under the Legislature and not under the Cabinet Office. So, I'm just wondering what are we actually talking about because he then talked about wars.
The Chairman Chairman So, MP —
Mr. Robert King It's all for context, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I mean, obviously, try to . . . you're entitled to make your comments.
The Chairman Chairman They don't have to be questions as directed by the speaker, but you do need to link them to a line item, and my understanding is you were on the subject of rentals.
Mr. Robert King Yes. The point I'm making —
The Chairman Chairman So, let's try to keep it in that area. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Robert King: Thank you. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you have the floor, MP.
Mr. Robert King The point that I'm making with my continued rant is that we should not continue to pay rent for properties when we have properties that need to be renovated, repurposed. When we are supposed to set the example for the civil service, how can we when we don't keep our …
The Chairman Chairman MP, while you are checking your notes, for the benefit of Honourable Members and the listening Committee of Supply for Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for budget year 2025/26, and the debate this morning is on the Ministry of Cabinet Office and Digit al Innovation. We have heard this morning …
Mr. Robert King Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, the question I have is, when are we going to fix our broken home if we want to make sure that money for rentals of over a million dollars per year is reduced? The only way we can do that is if we move into …
The Chairman Chairman We have another 15 minutes. So, would you like to continue with questions for the next 15 minutes? No, we're not rising early, unless anyone says otherwise. No. So please continue with further questions.
Mr. Robert King So those are my questions.
The Chairman Chairman For Head 9?
Mr. Robert King Yes. So, I'll wait for the answers.
The Chairman Chairman Well, let me just check. Honourable Premier, do you want to close out Head 9 before lunch, or do you want the Honourable Member to put questions on all heads? I'm in your hands. Hon. E. David Burt: I've been informed that there are additional questions from the Opposition on …
The Chairman Chairman Fine. No problem. Honourable Member King, if you're going to pause there on Head 9, let me just see if there are any other Members who wish to contribute to the debate.
Mr. Robert King Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Or you can proceed with further questions. Are there any other Honourable Members who wish to continue the debate? I see . . . no. Yes? Okay. The Honourable Member for constituency 25, MP DeCouto. You have the floor. And as I said, we have about 15 minutes or thereabouts.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay. Turning to page B -41.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Under Revenue, the PATI fees was for last year budgeted at $50,000. Revised is at $50,000 and estimated to come in at $5,000. Can we understand if that revised estimate of $50,000 is simply a carryover of the budget or have there been substantial fees actually paid? And then what …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, thank you. Regarding the PIPA/PATI unit on page B -40, [business unit] 19085, the budget does seem relatively flat. And I'm referring also to the Government initiatives, as mentioned in the Throne Speech, on making more information publicly available to the public. Wi ll the PATI/PIPA unit be involved …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I turn now to page B -42, employee numbers, and I see the addition of two people in the London Office. And if that was already addressed in the brief, I do apologise.
The Chairman Chairman It was addressed in the brief.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you. I will skip that question.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, there was a new deputy consular officer to assist Ms. Durrant, and there was a second post identified. 954 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Dr. Douglas DeCouto: Great. Turning to page B -43, and I'm looking at business unit 19045, the DC Office.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And the All Party Parliamentary Group. From the Premier's comments, I take it to . . . I'm understood to believe that actually probably applied to the London Office. Could we get some description of who's in that group? And if it's a long list of people, maybe a general …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -43?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, page B -43. The up- todate database of Bermudian— in the same business unit, the 19045 DC Office —the database of Bermudian college students residing in the US. Could we be in-formed as to how that database is compiled and how that 50 per cent revised es timate for …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And what they think it is. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Right. The direct . . . remaining on the same page, B -43, turning now to business unit 19035.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, London Office.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, deliver on UK policy through seven UK government departments. Could we get a highlight of what they believe the top two priorities would be? For that policy objectives. And then turning now to page B -44, under the head of Public Service, performance measures 19080.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I see that.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Customer complaints logged and responded to within 48 hours. I do appreciate that in 2023/24 [and] 2024/25, there seemed to be some system issue. But the revised forecast is only at 30 per cent with a target for this year of only 50 per cent. Could we hav e some …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto With a case number. Those are my questions for this head, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member for constituency 25, MP Douglas DeCouto. Does anyone else . . . I see someone else wants to contribute to the debate, or we can move for lunch. No? You're going to come? Yes. It's MP . . . the Honourable Member for constituency 12. Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you, MP Cannonier. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Under employee numbers. And the Minister mentioned Minister “ of” as he mentioned.
The Chairman Chairman Minister for. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Minister for. Minister for . Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, for. Minister for . [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman I did actually check, and he is the only Minister for, everyone else is Minister of. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I'm not sure how the duties change.
The Chairman Chairman There we are. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Or differ.
The Chairman Chairman He's going for it. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Under [business] unit 53050, Digital Services, the Minister mentioned about 10 positions that were funded for that we still need to fill. I was hoping that maybe . . . and I was trying to listen intently. He was reading so fast. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: That we want to fill. So, if you could give us a little more detail about what exactly is it that they do, and are they likely to come locally? Do we have to recruit overseas for this type of position? …
The Chairman Chairman This is still under the Department of Information and Digital Technologies. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. My apologies.
The Chairman Chairman No, no. I'm with you, page B -65. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Head 43. Just curious as to how are we systematically working through the training of all departments in rela-tion to some of our vulnerabilities, like a cyberattack. So, we know that we've been trying to upgrade everyone in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Yes, he has. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But how are we progressing along? There was a time where even the— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, there was a time where the phone systems weren't even integrated. So, where are we with that process and progressing there? So, …
The Chairman Chairman Pickled Onion. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Pickled Onion. Yes. My favourite pasta there.
The Chairman Chairman It would be something b etter. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And there were some guys from Google, right? Guys —huh? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, not Port O Call. No, no, no, no, no, no. Upstairs is too expensive for me, Premier. [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Absolutely. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You'd have to pay for it. [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, yes — [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: The question I have is, are we using any consultancy services?
The Chairman Chairman This is on professional services. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, yes —
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -63. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, correct. Are we using any professional services to help guide us through, not just with the integration of the process, but also with potential cyberattacks and the like? And I brought up Google because I went there for lunch, and these Google …
The Chairman Chairman MP Cannonier, we are probably going to pause there and go to lunch, but if you only have a few left, then I'm happy to let you. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, just one more question then.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, I'll let you finish if that's all right. Go ahead. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, just one more question. And over on page C -9.
The Chairman Chairman Yes—is that grants? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, capital —
The Chairman Chairman No, capital acquisitions. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Acquisitions, yes. I must say I'm glad to see the investment of $6.5 million.
The Chairman Chairman This is on information digital technology still? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: That's correct, on information digital technology.
The Chairman Chairman Indeed, Cabinet as a whole. Yes, I see. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And I'm glad to see that we have this commitment. I'm sure it probably is costing us way more than that to get us to where we need to be. And so, I was just curious, the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP Cannonier. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I've asked the question.
The Chairman Chairman If that's a convenient — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: If he can elaborate, yes.
The Chairman Chairman —if that is a convenient place. So, thank you, MP Cannonier. Thank you also to MPs King and DeCouto. Premier, if you'd like to take us to lunch. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Honourable, I guess, Committee of Supply do adjourn …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Honourable Committee of Supply do adjourn until 2:00 pm. Any objection? There being none, we move until 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12:32 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:0 1 pm [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are resuming in Committee of Supply. [Gavel] Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Members, we shall resume with the Minister of Cabinet Office and Digital Innovation. We are looking at Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 and 80. We have approximately an hour and a half, I believe. …
The Chairman Chairman Approximately an hour and a half, so I believe we end this debate at 3:25 pm. Are there any Members who wish to speak to Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 or 90? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King Good afternoon, Madam Chairman, Members of the House and the listening public. I will be addressing questions regarding Head 13, Post Office, page B -45 through B -51. Head 13, Post Office General Summary, Operations 22410, Courier Services. Actual 2023/24 was $239,000; revised 2024/25 is $10,000; estimate 2025/26 is $9,000. …
The Chairman Chairman Member, did you want to ask any questions?
Mr. Robert King No, no, no. I am just setting the table. That’s all.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Robert King Just setting the table, that’s all.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Robert King All right. S o we got salaries . [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Mr. Robert King Make sure everybody who needs to be at the table is . Right? Salaries , the salary bump. That was explained and we understood that across the board. There was a salary bump that would increase the amount of expenditure in wages similarly . I do note on H ead …
The Chairman Chairman Do you yield, Member? Yes. Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I am at pains to try and explain to the Honourable Member, how to read a Budget Book. I t was budgeted for $20,000. T he revised estimate means that despite being budgeted that's what was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. Robert King Thank you. T hat wasn't helpful at all . We all know how to read a Budget Book. W hat I was asking for— [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You do not.
Mr. Robert King No, we do.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, you don’t!
Mr. Robert King Actually, we do because that is why some things —
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. S peak to the C hair, please. Thank you. Your questions ?
Mr. Robert King Repair and maintenance, page B -47. How many buildings does the post office currently have? H ow many need significant repairs ? Are there going to be any closures of post offices due to online shopping, e-billing and a declining population? Page B-47, R entals . Question: Why are we …
Mr. Robert King You'll have your turn. Head 13, Post Office, page B -48, Revenue Summary, 8312. 09, MyBermudaP ost fees , actual 2023 /24 is $448,000; revised 2024/25 was $509,000; estimate 2025/26 is $5 23,000. Head 13, Post Office, page B -49, E mployee Numbers 125, 125, 125—across the board from 2023. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other M embers who wish to speak to the heads ? Head 13, in particular , but other heads as well .
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Regarding Head 13, and associated with the revenue source, 8312 .09, MyBermudaPost Fees, page B-48. C ould the Honourable Minister please provide an estimate of the total cost required to run that service ? Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. T hank you, Member. Are there any other M embers who wish to speak to H eads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43, or 80? I recogni se the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor .
Mr. Robert King Thank you. I'll be speaking to Head 18 , Libraries and Archives.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Robert King Pages B -52 through B -56. H aving visited the National Archives I was most impressed with the professionalism of the staff . In particular, Ms. K arla Inlemann, who gave me a comprehensive tour of the operations and explained the vital role it has in preserv-ing Bermuda’s history and …
Mr. Robert King Towards that end, I inquired about the needs of the Libraries and Archives. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King You enjoying the meal yet?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A full meal. [Laughter and crosstalk ]
Mr. Robert King Thank you for that. Encouragement always help —
The Chairman Chairman Members, please speak to the Chair. Yes.
Mr. Robert King I really appreciate the guidance of this Honourable House. Thank you for that. Towards that end, I inquired about the needs of Libraries and Archives. It was learned that the Archives has outgrown its space and that in order to present and preserve the documents and books they need a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Robert King I know that Minister Rabain also met with the incredible staff there . And I'm confident that he's in agreement with the comments I'm making with regard to this head. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Well, let's see how we end up. Bermuda House of Assembly It was suggested that creating another —
The Chairman Chairman Member, before you . . . just make sure that when you do get to the question that you associate them with a line item.
The Chairman Chairman Because this is not the general debate, so you have to be specific .
The Chairman Chairman Okay. All right. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Robert King So, I'm going to eat with my hands now. That’s okay. It is a simple meal . Pages B-52 through B -56, Strategic plan. W hat is the strategic plan to secure or repurpose a building or space to house the Archive s in order to preserve our cultural artifacts …
Mr. Robert King Well, go to the section. You’ll find it. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman No. Member, can you indicate which line item because if the Minister is to answer —
Mr. Robert King Page B -55, Performance Measures —
The Chairman Chairman —he needs to know what you are talking about.
Mr. Robert King —[business unit] 28060, Adult Services.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Robert King Yes, it’s okay. Page B -55, P erformance Measures — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of information, if I may. If the Honourable Member wishes to yield .
The Chairman Chairman Member? Yes —
Mr. Robert King Well, actually, no. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. Well, I will just say that we cannot answer the question because we do not know what he is referring to.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: So, if the Honourable Member wants an answer to the question, state what he is asking so we can answer it.
The Chairman Chairman I will—
Mr. Robert King I’ve already dealt with that.
The Chairman Chairman —I will . . . Member, to make easier —
The Chairman Chairman —because under Performance Measures you have different areas. If you state for each question which specific performance measure you are looking at, so for instance, if it is 28060, and you are talking about users satisfied with the main library programmes, —
Mr. Robert King Yes, exactly.
The Chairman Chairman —you can ask, you know, in what . . . how they propose to reach 100 per cent or something like that.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Robert King Fair enough. Thank you for the guidance.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. 960 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Robert King: Page B -55, Performance Measures, [business unit] 28060, Adult Services. Increased number of people attending programmes over previous year, 2023/24, actual outcome 250 per cent; revised forecast 2024/25 is -5 per cent; target …
Mr. Robert King —going in the opposite direction?
The Chairman Chairman Do you yield to the point of clarification? Yes, the Member yields. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Well, we did have a conversation about how to read the Budget Book. These are not standards being …
Mr. Robert King Well, that’s helpful.
The Chairman Chairman So does that help?
Mr. Robert King That is extremely helpful —
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Robert King —because . . . and the reason why it is helpful is if you see that the number of people who are showing up to your facility is low, if you are a restaurant or if you are a hotel you would take a look at that, look at the …
The Chairman Chairman Member, Member — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman One second, Minister. Member, you cannot speak for the Minister. And he did not say that. What you can do is ask a question that says, like, What sort of measures will you put in place to try to increase the numbers? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman You can ask that kind of question, but you cannot speak for the Minister.
Mr. Robert King I was getting there. I’m sorry.
The Chairman Chairman All right.
Mr. Robert King So that would be the question. What measures are being put in place so that you can inspire persons to show up and take advantage of the ser-vices? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Thank you. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Okay. Those are my submissions under Library and Archives. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Are there any there any other Members who wish to speak to the heads falling under the Ministry of Cabinet Office. No . . . yes, are there any other Members? Okay. I recognise the Member from constituency 25. Member, you have the floor.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Regarding the Head 18, Library and Archives, I did want to say thank you to the briefing, those who normally have a passion for the digitisation of key components of Bermuda’s history. I know that the library has an extensive collection known as the “Bermuda …
The Chairman Chairman You may —
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —would be—
The Chairman Chairman —because we are looking at all the heads.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Regarding the Department of Planning, I am turning to page B -60, performance measures and I see there is the business unit, Customer feedback satisfaction. And the revised forecast is 100 per cent. I presume that is for —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What page is that?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Page B -60, the second row under General Administration, business unit — [Inaudible interjections]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I see there is Conduct customer feedback satisfaction. I assume that means that that survey was done. But how would the Minister, how would the department quantify the customer satisfac-tion last year? And do they have a target goal for the actual customer satisfaction? I mean, for example, in some …
The Chairman Chairman I think the Minister understood that question. Yes? Okay.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Those are my questions at this time.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Yes. [Crosstalk and laughter ]
Mr. Robert King A moment of levity. We all appreciate that. Head 32, Department of Planning, Employee Numbers, page B -59, 2023/24 actual outcome 32; revised forecast for 2024/25 is 33; estimate for 2025/26 is 36. Question: Staffing levels have not differed drastically, and we accept that digitisation improves serv ice delivery through …
Mr. Robert King Page B -61, Performance Measurement Permits. Question: What was the longest wait time for a commercial and/or residential permit? What specific strategy is being used to address the delays? Contract, staff, bonuses, overtime, fast -tracking applications. I remember some time ago that the Supreme Court actually cleared some of its …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 25. Member, you have the floor.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just a point of clarification on the process. If we have questions that come up later, will we have a chance to continue to ask questions? [Crosstalk and laughter ]
The Chairman Chairman As long as appropriate time is given. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member If you don’t speak for very long—
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Understood.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Don’t set the table. Ask your questions, it might be easier.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Well, when you want to have a feast, Madam Chairman, you must prepare it carefully. [Inaudible interjections]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Turning to Head 43, Information and digital technologies.
The Chairman Chairman Page number?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. Starting on page B -62, I am just referring to my notes here, Madam [Chairman.] I think we have heard . . . I guess I would look to . . . this is referring to the brief. We heard that there 962 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report …
The Chairman Chairman Chairman.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is one question.
The Chairman Chairman Is this falling under service support? Which line item —
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I was referring to comments made in the brief by the Minister about the acting CIO.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Also, the Office 365 deployment, was . . . was . . . was referred to. When is that plan to be . . . is that fully completed? And if not, when is the timeline for that to be fully completed? That would be my second question.
The Chairman Chairman So, honestly, I just need to know what line item you are attaching that to.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Well, these were items that were referred to in the brief. And— Hon. E. David Burt: It would be referring to a line item in the brief.
The Chairman Chairman When the Minister’s read their brief, it does fall under a line item and/or head. All of that. So . . .
Dr. Douglas DeCouto So, for the first question regarding the acting CIO, I think we could associate it with . . . on page B -63, under the employee numbers. I would imagine under the Admin and Management, the 53000, Madam Chairman. For the Microsoft Office 365, for me that sounds like Digital …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Capital acquisitions.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —Capital acquisitions. Thank you to the Minister for that assist.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Madam Chairman. Let me just refer back to my notes. And under page B -63, under Security, 53090, for Security services such as monitoring and threat assessment and penetration testing. Do we have those as an ongoing sub-scription or it a sort of one- time cost? And if …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, well —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Finish your questions.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto So, this subscription is related to basically security monitoring, threat assessment, penetration testing. I think, especially with what was on the Order Paper these days we can appreciate the importance of that. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Those are my questions at this moment. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to the heads? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: All right. Dinner time now. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Robert King [Microphone not on.]
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on, Member?
Mr. Robert King [Microphone not on.]
The Chairman Chairman B-64.
Mr. Robert King [Microphone not on.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you.
Mr. Robert King In relation to protecting against cybersecurity threats. So, the question I have is: What percentage of the Government department are in full compliance with virus software and licensing agreements to make sure that antivirus software is up to date and functioning properly?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One hundred per cent.
Mr. Robert King How many departments and areas? Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: One hundred per cent.
Mr. Robert King Well, how many —
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. Speak to the Chair.
Mr. Robert King Well, it could be one.
The Chairman Chairman Speak to the Chair, please.
Mr. Robert King One hundred per cent could be one.
The Chairman Chairman Member, speak to the Chair. Is that your only question?
Mr. Robert King That’s my only question.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 or 80? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Afternoon drinks now.
Mr. Robert King [Microphone not on.]
The Chairman Chairman I did not hear you, Member.
Mr. Robert King Head 80, Project Management and Procurement, page B -75. Page B -76, eight employees. Page B -76, Current account training, 2023/24, $1,000. Revised 2024/25 was $3,000. And 2025/26 is $3,000. Understanding that skill acquisition, maintenance and understanding also that the use of digital technologies, especially for the older folks and …
The Chairman Chairman Any other questions, Member?
Mr. Robert King Just a moment. Thanks.
The Chairman Chairman I will remind the listening public that we are in the budget debate, the Ministry of Cabinet Office and Digital Innovation. We are now looking at Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 and 80.
Mr. Robert King I will ask another question. The statement made by the Minister in relation to training is that we put people first. I am not seeing how that is reflected in the budget, especially as it relates to training and resources for that department. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to— [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman It was a comment. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 and 80? At this time I will call on the Minister if he has any responses that he wishes to share. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: I’ll start it …
The Chairman Chairman Oh, you’ll start? Okay. Thank you, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: Madam Chairman, I will try to, as best as possible, to answer the questions which were posed for Head 9. We will start, the Shadow Minister might not like the …
Mr. Robert King Point of order. The Honourable Member is misleading —
The Chairman Chairman Member, just a minute. Your point of order? POINT OF ORDER 964 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Misleading]
Mr. Robert King He is intentionally misleading the House. The point is that where those two centres were supposed to be, next to the London Office, were not in the position in the [Budget] Book where they ought to have been. So, if they are not there, you could not refer to them. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Hon. E. David Burt: It is very unfortunate that the Shadow Minister is taking the Shadow Minister of Finance’s time who said he might want to respond with more questions. And I might just advise him that if he waits, he might actually get the answer. But …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. I call on the Minister. Minister [Rabain]. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I will begin . . . they were actually kind of going a bit not in order .
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: So, I will start with, I believe it was the Honourable Member Cannonier who had asked questions about IDT . I do see a question . . . [Crosstalk] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And so, I'm looking at . . . the first …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They gave it away. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Next question. Bermuda Post Fees, Revenue Summary. How is the difference for $17,000 accounted for and what measurements are in place to account for errors in the budget ? The BPO is continuously working to redefine the budget line item to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Let me just say we are currently outside of approximately 40 minutes , 35 minutes before this debate ends . So I'm calling on any other Members who may wish to speak to H eads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43, and 80. I think I have called …
The Chairman Chairman Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 and 80. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: This is incorrect.
The Chairman Chairman This is incorrect? 968 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Because it is missing some heads. [Crosstalk] [Pause] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: All right. Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 and 80 be approved as …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43 and 80 be approved as printed. Are there any objections to that ? There being none, approved. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Cabinet Office and Digital Innovation, Heads 9, 13, 18, 32, 43, and 80 were approved and stand part …
The Chairman Chairman So that moves us to the next debate which is on the non- ministries . And I call on the Minister in charge. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, I move the following heads : Head 2, L egislature; Head 5, Office of the Auditor General ; Head 56, …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101 be taken under consideration. Are there any objections to that motion? There being none, Minister. NON -MINISTRY HEADS HEAD 2 —LEGISLATURE Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget …
The Chairman Chairman Please hold, Minister. For the benefit of the listening public we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. We are debating the non- ministries. Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain is giving the prese ntations on Heads 2, 5, …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience we are listening to the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. And the Honourable Premier and the Minister of Finance will be speaking on Head 5. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much. [Crosstalk] HEAD 5 —OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR GENERAL Hon. E. David Burt: All right. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I will be presenting the budget for Head 5 which is the Office of the Auditor General, found on pages …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, did you say bipartisan committee? Hon. E. David Burt: I absolutely did. It is a bipartisan committee.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. E. David Burt: But it is important that we dig into this a little bit. So I am going to dig into it a little bit more. The reviewed and recommended budget by the committee to the Ministry of Finance was $4,329,205. The Ministry of Finance set a …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. For clarity, Honourable Premier, if you look behind me there are two flags. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman None of which are multi -coloured. [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: We will now move forward. Revenue Estimates Hon. E. David Burt: Revenue estimates for the Office of the Auditor General of $457,000, a decrease of $124,000 from last year, or 21 per cent, which represents audit fees charged to …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in Committee of Supply for the con-sideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. We are debating non- ministries. The Premier who is also the Minister of Finance, the Honourable E. David Burt, is giving his …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Premier. For the benefit of the listening audience, this debate began at 2:57 pm and will end exactly at 6:57 pm. We now have Honourable Minister Tinee Furbert who is going to give a presentation on Head 56. NON -MINISTRY HEADS HEAD 56 —HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience, we are in Committee of Supply for the . . . [consideration] of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. Minister Tinee Furbert is giving a presentation on non- ministries, Head 56. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. For the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for year 2025/26. Minister Tinee Furbert has concluded her presentation on Head 56, which deals with the Human Rights Commission. And now …
The Chairman Chairman Head 92. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I am going to try to be like you and say, for the benefit of the listening audience, I am going to do Head 92. And following after which time the Minister for the Cabinet Office will do Head 85, the Ombudsman’s …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Premier. Earlier you mentioned a word. Could you give the explanation of the word “bipartisan” again, please? Hon. E. David Burt: Bipartisan means that we try to work together. And it is very interesting that most legislation up here passes on a bipartisan basis. But, you know . …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed, Premier. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Territorial, if you want to be specific. [Inaudible interjections and laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, boy. They are having fun. It’s like I woke them up. HEAD 92 —DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL AUDIT Hon. E. David Burt: All right, Mr. Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Moving on to 2024/25. I'll be able to cover the revised forecast for the performance measures . They can be seen on page B -28. The department issued four audit project reports and five compliance reports during the year 2024/25. Plans for the Upcoming …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Premier, for Head 92. We will no w hear from the Honourable Minister— [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman We will now hear from the Honourable Minister Deallo [sic] Rabain. S orry. Diallo Rabain.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Get it right. Get it right. Get it right. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Diallo Rabain. On Head 63, which will speak to . . . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Parliamentary Registrar.
The Chairman Chairman The Parliamentary Registrar. What is the Parliamentary Registrar ? For the listening audience. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The Parliamentary Registrar conducts elections in Bermuda. The Chairman: Okay. Thank you. V ery interesting. HEAD 63 —PARLIAMENTARY REGISTRAR Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would now like …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Constituency. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —Constituency Boundaries Commission which was temporarily paused due to the election. We anticipate its resumption shortly as the regular assessment of constituency boundaries is a constitutional requirement essential to maintaining the integrity of the electoral process . Mr. Chairman, following the successful completion of …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. Sorry. Excuse me , Minister. There was a little technical glitch. C ould you repeat that please? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Oh, absolutely . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Absolutely . Because this will be led by my office. Including the introduction of absentee voting will …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Apostle. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Apostle. Apostilles. [Laughter and crosstalk] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: In support of this commitment , processes and procedures have been enhanced to improve the accuracy of financial reporting ensuring greater efficiency and transparency in service delivery . Mr. Chairman, in conclusion, I extend …
The Chairman Chairman Would it be questions or , I don't know , blanket accusations ? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Questions . [Crosstalk and laughter ]
The Chairman Chairman The statement is already written. Right? Please proceed, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, and I will move on now to the O ffice of the O mbudsman—
The Chairman Chairman Which is head . . . what? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: It is Head 85.
The Chairman Chairman So, you have completed which head, Head 60? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: So far, we have completed Head 2, Head 5, Head 56, Head 92, and Head 63.
The Chairman Chairman So, you are now on — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Head 85. We have Heads 85, 98 and 101 left.
The Chairman Chairman So, in the interest of the public, this debate began in earnest at 2:57 pm and is due to end at 6:57 pm. And at the current pace (similar to Cup Match) the Opposition is going to have a lot of time to ask ques-tions. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: …
The Chairman Chairman Theatrics. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. HEAD 85 —OFFICE OF THE OMBUDSMAN Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I'm pleased to present the budget for Head 85, the Office of the Ombudsman of Bermuda, found on pages B -23 through B26 of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. And the following head, the remaining heads are Heads 98 and 101. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Head 98, the Information Commissioner’s Office. I do hope the Member from [constituency] 10 is here. Because he asked questions earlier on these heads, these next two heads. Hopefully …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I’m going to correct you. Please look behind me. There are no rainbow flags. Not “Madam” Chairman.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Oh . . . who put Madam Chairman there? [Crosstalk] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: This increase is primarily to fund the reasonable cause associated with an office relocation. (I did that.) Mr. Chairman, the Information Commissioner's Office is subdivided into four fiscally identifiable …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, and there was a previous . . . and his predecessor as well . For the benefit of the listening audience and Honourable Members , we are now in C ommittee of Supply for further consideration of the E stimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/ 26. …
The Chairman Chairman It’s not your place to say this . And Mr. Ian Cameron. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : I will say , and you know.
The Chairman Chairman I knew who he was. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: All right. But he is a super popular guy. Can't make kites though.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, so now we are on Head 101, which is . . . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Privacy Commissioner .
The Chairman Chairman The Privacy Commissioner . Are you allowed to talk about that ? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes. It’s public today.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. HEAD 101 —PRIVACY COMMISSIONER Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the final head of this debate, of these 52 [sic] hours , of th ese 52 [sic] hours that we have spent up here, for Head 101, the Office of the —56 …
The Chairman Chairman Well, 54 so far . 990 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The Office of the P rivacy Commissi oner for Bermuda, found on pages B -34 through B -37 of the Budget Book. Mission and Mandate Hon. Diallo V. S. …
The Chairman Chairman Is it tom -AY-to or to- MAH -to? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Internationally, the Commissioner has engaged with global data protection peers, ensured Bermuda’s policies aligned with international best practices, positioned Bermuda as a regulatory leader within the global Caribbean region among finance centres and o n the global …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, and your team for such succinct and brief briefs. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening public and the Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. To-day, this last brief we are debating is the Ministry of Cabinet Office and Digital Innovation . . …
The Chairman Chairman Please let the Chair . . . have you seen Captain Philips? [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. All right. Earlier the Ministry of Cabinet Office and Digital [Innovation] was done. And now . . . starting at 2:57 pm, the Non- ministries were done. And now the Opposition has approximately one hour and 40 minutes to ask their succinct and non- accusatory questions. [Laughter] Hon. Jarion …
The Chairman Chairman Please go ahead. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you. The quotation is from Recommended Benchmark for Democratic Legislatures . It is dated 2018. Specifically benchmark 2.1.5 where it reads, “The Public Accounts Committee shall be adequately resourced and empowered to conduct effective oversight of public expenditure.” Now in similar jurisdictions, which …
The Chairman Chairman So, Honourable Opposition Leader, for clarity for the Minister, are you advocating for the Government to increase staff? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman And increase expenditure? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Jarion Richardson: For the Public Accounts Committee, absolutely.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Twice on Sunday.
The Chairman Chairman All right. Just be careful. [Laughter] Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you. Okay. Thank you so much. Whilst we are there, let’s go through Head 2. I noted that the Premier’s brief had spoken to 996 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Communications. So we are under …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience, we are in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. The Honourable Opposition Leader, Honourable Jari on Richardson, is asking very clinical questions on non- ministries. You may proceed, Opposition Leader. Hon. Jarion …
The Chairman Chairman To be clear , where are you reading from? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Jarion Richardson: Sure. Sorry. My apologies, Mr. Chairman. I'm on page B-16, reading under Head 5, performance measures for business unit 15000.
The Chairman Chairman Not that we don't trust you but , you know , people want reference points. [Laughter] Hon. Jarion Richardson: Sir, absolutely , I'm very mindful that people are listening right now and don't have . . . we don't have the TV staring with the presentations like the US Congress …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you for mentioning that. This may affect the question, but the reason that legislation was bought forth for the Bermuda C ollege is [because] part of their accreditation required that they show they have complete control over their financial …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. You got your clarity? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Oh, absolutely .
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Jarion Richardson: That was that was borderline effective . I like when we do effective up here. [Laughter] Hon. Jarion Richardson: So that's a great point . But that also . . . I'll leave that question there for the Honourable Premier because the H onourable former Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Do you wish to continue or do you want the answers ? Hon. Jarion Richardson: I'll just keep on going.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Jarion Richardson: I'm following the Minister who went for like two hours . I got to . . . if I take a break I might get in trouble.
The Chairman Chairman I think he went longer but , you know . . . [Laughter] Hon. Jarion Richardson: So the next set of questions is under H ead 56, the Human Rights Commission. And to that end . . . I'm on page B-17 and dealing with . . . well, I'll …
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order, Minister? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jason Hayward : The Honourable Member did maybe a five- minute ramble without asking a single question. I believe that the Member is supposed to ask questions which are in alignment with the Budget Book. And I have not …
The Chairman Chairman Please hold there, Opposition Leader. For the listening public , we are now in the Committee of S upply for further consideration of the Estimates or Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025 /26. This debate began on non- ministries at 2:57 pm and it ends at 6:57 pm which …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please do, Honourable Opposition Leader. Get in all your questions. You have all of 50 minutes to go. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes, I think I'll probably take a break so I can get some answers back because I do have some supplementals. I am sure that excited a lot …
The Chairman Chairman What did you say earlier? You said your statement was already written. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Would you like — Hon. Jarion Richardson: Foregone conclusion.
The Chairman Chairman When would you like to get your answers? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Well I can sit down right now and get some answers. I would love to. [Crosstalk] Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes, definitely. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman While the . . . Minister Jason Haywood wishes to speak to some of the questions — Hon. Jason Hayward: No—I will speak to the heads. Head 56—
The Chairman Chairman Speak to Head 56, please. Hon. Jason Hayward: —outlined in the Budget Book. I also laud the efforts of the Human Rights Commission and the departmental objectives. I think it plays a Bermuda House of Assembly fundamentally important role in ensuring that we have an inclusive society, one that's based …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your very brief intervention, Minister Jason P. Haywood We now have . . . the Chair now recognises Honourable Tinee Furbert. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will take the opportunity to reiterate some of the brief that I spoke about earlier to answer the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister Tinee Furbert. The Chair now recognises Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Why, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will handle answering questions from Head 2, which is the Legislature. The Hon-ourable Member did have quite a few questions . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain. And now Honourable Premier and Finance Minister shall give his succinct answers to his Member Opposite. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will try to answer as many questions as I can on Head 5. There was a question that said …
The Chairman Chairman Please give the point of information. What is your point of information? POINT OF INFORMATION Hon. Jarion Richardson : The question was relating to how does the Honourable Premier decide when to authorise additional spends, given that he said he'd support a $60,000 or $80,000 increase or . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that point of information. Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. Budgets cannot be expanded because budgets are approved by this Honour-able House. And so, the budgets cannot be expanded. The Minister of Finance does not have that power or discretion. In speaking of the particular point …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member. Hon. E. David Burt: Honourable Member —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Mate. Honourable Member. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: I will start again. We cannot create additional funding because funding is approved by this Honourable Chamber. The way that process works is, number one, if there is a surplus and additional computers that are purchased (as I explained during …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your succinct answers. Opposition Leader , you wish anymore questions? You have had enough? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Never, Mr. Chairman. Never. They did not send me here to sit back when I had the opportunity. Let me . . . Mr. Chairman, thank you so much for …
The Chairman Chairman So, do you want to clarify that you were not attacking the Parliamentary Registrar? Hon. Jarion Richardson: I would never do that. I think highly of her; and she has a very, very important and key role in our country.
The Chairman Chairman All right. Thank you. Hon. Jarion Richardson: To that end under Head 63, I do have some questions relating to voter register maintenance and accuracy. Under Head 63, most especially under object . . . sorry, on page B -20 under objective two . . . the Parliamentary Registrar has …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Honourable Opposition Leader . . . [do] you have any more questions? You have four minutes. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes, just waiting on the answers for Head 63 relating to the Parliamentary Registrar, Mr. Chairman. 1008 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. The time now is 6:57 pm which means that the time for questions has expired. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98, and 101 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: Non- Ministries Heads 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98 and 101 were approved and stand part of the Estimates …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads . . . Non - Min— Heads 1, 51 and 61, 49 and 45 be approved. Any objections? No objections. They have been approved. [Motion carried: Non- Ministry Head 1, Cabinet Office and Digital Innovation Heads 51 and 61; Ministry of Finance Head 49; …
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? It has been moved that the current account estimates, capital development estimates and the capital acquisitions estimates have been approved. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for fiscal year 2025/26 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue be approved . . . sorry, it has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2025/26 be approved. Any objections? Anything from the Opposition? Nothing?
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of clarification. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Scott Pearman Sorry, I believe the Premier moved some heads in relation to the Ministry of Bermuda House of Assembly Finance in his first part of the speech and that those weren't repeated and approved. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman After you moved the Non- Ministries, you moved some of the Ministry of Finance and those were not repeated and approved by the House. Just for good order — Hon. E. David Burt: What do you mean? Repeat it here, now?
Mr. Scott Pearman Right. When you started reading, you read the NonMinistries that had not been debated, and then you hit the ones that were Ministry of Finance. Those were not approved by the House because they weren't repeated by the Chair.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. E. David Burt: You think he didn't repeat them. I thought he read them all, but let me . . . I will try one more time just for good order if [you] don’t mind. Because the Clerk was there. She would correct you, but I don’t know …
The Chairman Chairman Maybe he needs AI or something, because . . . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: I remember you reading Non- Ministry 1, 51, 61, 49, 45. I heard you say those.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, so — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: No, no. It was just 49. That is Ministry of Finance. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, but I did it here. That is what I just said. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Non- Ministry Head 1, Head 51, Head 61, Head 49 and Head 45 be approved—again. Twice on Hansard.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Any objections?
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? Mr. Premier. [Motion carried: Non- Ministr y Head 1, Cabinet Office Heads 51 and 61; Ministry of Finance Head 49; and Ministry of National Security Head 45 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2025 /26.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year [2025/26] be reported to the House. Any objections? None. It will be reported. [Motion carried: The Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2025/26 were considered by a Committee of the whole House …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 07:02 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 202 5/26
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Members. Are there any objections to the Estimate of Revenue [and Expenditures] for the year 2025/26 being reported to the House as approved in the Committee? Any objections? There are none. It has been reported to the House. Premier. BILL FIRST READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2025 1010 28 May …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move in accordance with Standing Order 28(5)(1) that under the provisions of Standing Orders 41, 12 and 42 the remaining stages of the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2025 be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The matter has been brought and will be taken forthwith. No objections to that? No. BILL SECOND READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2025 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2025 be now read for the second time …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Premier. [Motion carried: the Appropriation Act 2025 was read a second time.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move clauses 1 through 6, inclusive, together with Schedules A, B and C as printed.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 together with Schedules A, B and C passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the preamble being approved? There are none. Continue, Premier. BILL THIRD READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2025 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2025 be now read the third time by its …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the matter being read a third time by title only? There are none. Continue, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. It is a great honour for me to move that the Bill that will produce the second- in-a-row budget surplus …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Speaker !
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker I don’t think you are serious on your point of order, are you? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order. The Premier is perhaps mistakenly misleading the House, Mr. Speaker . There was not a budget surplus in the prior financial year, Mr. Speaker . Thank you. [Desk thumping and laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier . . . it has been read. Okay. Hon. E. David Burt: Sorry?
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. I move that the budget . . . that the Appropriation Act which will contain the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for this year passed out of the Committee with a record investment in capital investment — Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. The Bill has been read and considered passed. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2025 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I move that the following message be sent to the Senate: MESSAGE TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATION ACT 202 5 Hon. E. David Burt: To the Honourable President and Members of the Senate: The House of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Members, that brings the matter of the annual budget debate for this period to a conclusion. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker We will now move on, Mr. Premier. Are there any other matters of the day or would you like to bring the House to a close? [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: No, sir. Mr. Speaker, I do believe that we are taking up two particular matters and the first item …
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister of Finance. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that consideration be given to the draft Regulations entitled the Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2025, proposed to be made by the Minister of Finance, in exercise of the power conferred by section 2 of the Government …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? None. Continue, Junior Minister. DRAFT REGULATIONS GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2025 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, in the Pre - Budget Report tabled in this Honourable House in December, the Minister of Finance outlined a number of tax reductions that were under consideration …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Shadow Minister of Finance, you have the floor.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Pleasure to speak with you again. Tax cuts, whopping tax cuts. I'm sure somebody out there, Mr. Speaker, must have spat out their supper. I did a little research to see what I could do with $6. It's unfortunate the Minister of Home Affairs is not …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Mr. Speaker, $7.69, that's local eggs at Windybank [Farm] if you can get them. White or wheat loaf of bread from Crow Lane Bakery, Mr. Speaker, $6.95.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto MarketPlace house brand, $6.20. And if you want a basic sandwich, $7.99 and up. I recommend you don't ask for the avocado on top, Mr. Speaker. Look, I'll take a $6.00 cut. I'll take it. We're not going to say no. No, you know, we support this.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Spread the wealth.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto But let's be honest, Mr. Speaker. Let's be honest. And we can acknowledge that communications is a lifeline, that it would perhaps be one of the basic needs of people in this modern age. So, we could support making sure that everybody in Bermuda has acces s to this fundamental …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Well, let me turn . . . so we support this. But I would suggest —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Are you sure?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I would suggest, well, I would hope, Mr. Speaker, that the Government could have some better ideas on how to support the people in this country with real need to get the basic telecommunication services that is becoming a human right for somebody. So, what I would have suggested is, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yourself.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto In fact, in fact, Mr. Speaker, it is indeed myself. I do not need a $6 cut. I'm not lying. [Inaudible interjections]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto In fact, Mr. Speaker, I would put to you, with the recent pay rises, nobody in this Chamber needs a $6 cut. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Nobody in this Chamber needs a $6 cut! [Desk thumping]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto So, while we support this . . . while we support this, frankly, — [General uproar]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —frankly, Mr. Speaker, I am disappointed!
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order, point of order. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker We have a point of order —MP — POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives and misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Honourable Member is imputing improper motive and misleading the House. He says that nobody in this Chamber needs a $6 cut. We are not speaking for ourselves. We're speaking for the people that we represent. And the people that we represent —and I'm speaking for the people in constituency …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Continue, Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Dr. Douglas DeCouto: Mr. Speaker, the salaries of the Members of this House are above the median salary of the people in Bermuda— [Inaudible interjections]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —above the median salary. In fact, the Honourable Member has made my point for me, because I outlined some of the costs, Mr. Speaker, that it takes to get basic telecommunication services in this country. And that $6 is a very small dent in that cost. What I would have …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto But, frankly, if this is the best that they can come up with from the Government side, it's going to be a tough year for the people of Bermuda. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Premier. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I find it very, very rich for that Honourable Member to stand up in this House and diss the people of this country that could use a $6 break per month in their bill. I find that rather …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto He is misleading the House. I did not diss the people that could use the $6. In fact, I exhorted the Government to do something better! Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There we are! [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I repeat. I repeat. And we'll let the people of the country judge what the Honourable Member said when he said it. And one thing is it's on Hansard. And if anybody wants to get a little creative, take that and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Increase? It’s a decrease; not an increase. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, increased it. See, that's it. See, some of these Members weren't even around. So, they don't know what I'm talking about. But I increased FutureCare by $5. And guess what? They banged the tables and said, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No one said that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Here today, here today . . . and you know what? We've heard it. We've heard it several times in my 20 years. Where minimum things that we do are cheap. But you can tell seniors that money don't grow …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let's talk about that.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Let’s talk about that! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Ask the seniors, who you told money don't grow on trees , what they think about $72 per year. Because they'll get up in the future and they'll tell you, Look, you guys got to do something. Because our seniors …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That's right. That's what they do. Now, Mr. Speaker, let me say this. I've done a quick look up. And a roll of masking tape can cost $6, too. I s uggest the Honourable Members opposite buy some for MP DeCouto.
The Speaker The Speaker Now, now, now Members. Now, Members. Let's keep it above board, Members. Minister, were you going to speak or not? You're on your feet now . . . well, well, . . . let’s go. When they decide who's going to speak— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker— [Inaudible …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes—s peak to the Chair. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: What we were subjected to by the Member opposite actually mak es me feel dirty . It actually makes me feel so insulted that I sit opposite that Member. I feel completely embarrassed to have to listen to that tirade …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait—
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, point of order! [General uproar]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on! Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. I was listening v ery carefully to see where he was leading on that. Hold on, just take a seat a minute. Take y our seat. No, no, take a seat. I was listening very …
The Speaker The Speaker Members — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Lost my book? And that's a particular Honourable Member that shouldn't go down the DNA road.
The Speaker The Speaker I heard your point. Members. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: The greatest slave owners in this country who moved slaves back and forth were the Portuguese. [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Take your seat back. You’re your seat back. Members, from what I understand, today has been a decent day. You ended your debates earlier. [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker And I would like to think we could conclude this debate, this day, in the manner and tone that we had in the early debates. So, I'm going to ask all Members to be more guided in your comments, more structured in your comments as we go forward from here. …
The Speaker The Speaker Be careful now, be careful now. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: You always display it, no matter who you affiliate with. Mr. Speaker, this Government is fighting tooth and nail to create savings where we can. Now, I under-stand what that speaker is trying to say . But I don't …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say it again! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Reduced. Less people qualified for child care allowance under that Government than ever in the history of this country. But he has the audacity to sit here and say that maybe you should do something like that. More people now qualify for …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER (Standing Order 19(11)(f))
Mr. Scott Pearman This is the third occasion on which the Honourable Member has trespassed against Standing Order 19(11)(f), which is that this House is not to impute improper motives or indulge in personalities. He's been directed already, and I would invite him to withdraw the remark. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Member, I've asked that we try and keep the tone and the level at a higher level. And we get on sticky ground when we try and impede or imply it to a level that it directs to an individual. Member, if you can take a road that doesn't direct …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member . . . MP Darrell, are you speaking now, or are you jumping up again? You've been up three times, and then— Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Speaker, I'm still new, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Let's go. Hon. Owen Darrell: Wow, you liked those Gombeys, didn't you? Let me tell you a little bit about Gombeys and what they can do with a $6 savings. Whoo! Here we go. All right. Mr. Speaker, good evening, and good evening to the Members of this House, Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Remember the caution I gave— Hon. Owen Darrell: —and he represents an area up the road, may not see savings the way that people in Pembroke East see savings, Mr. Speaker. See, the people which he represents, Mr. Speaker, while they are important Bermudians, they may not appreciate a $6 …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of information. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Speaker, if I may get into the meat of my comments. Thank you. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: Mm-hmm. See, Mr. Speaker, again, this is not just a technical adjustment, Mr. Speaker. This is strategic inter-vention. And this comes from the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You have an objection to the election?
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The Honourable Member is misleading the House, because not everybody voted for the slogans to which he is referring. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Everyone had an opportunity to vote. Hon. Owen Darrell: Twenty -five, thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker And if you're referring to the recent election, I believe it was in 2025. Hon. Owen Darrell: I'm sorry, February of 2025. And while the Honourable Member will, from the other side, who is the Shadow Minister, I remind him, of Finance, I want to remind him that that fairness …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman I respectfully remind the Honourable Member who's new to this House and from an-other place that we do not read speeches in this House. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: Aha. Well done.
The Speaker The Speaker Member that is a ruling in this House. Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Speaker, if the Honourable Member would like to come sit next to me, he can see that nothing here is verbatim of what I am saying. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Well, well, well, well — Hon. Owen Darrell: And while, Mr. Speaker, while—
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Minister, if that's the case, look at me more. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Because you have not been looking at me the entire time. You've been looking down. [Desk thumping] [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker You've been looking down the entire time. Look at me. Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. See— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: It is . . . it is important for the Members from the other side to understand that the actions of which we take on this side …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman Again, we are indulging in personalities. And for the benefit of the Honourable Member speaking, I believe I did increase my vote to 74 per cent. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Member. Hon. Owen Darrell: See, as I was saying, Mr. Speaker, that if the H onourable Member from the other side, constituency 22, would have actually hit the doorstep and taken some time to talk to the people that vote in this country ,—
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Speaker, he would — POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. And now I'm afraid the H onourable Member is impu ting improper motive, suggesting that I didn't canvass to achieve that 74 per cent, which I did. And I was, in fact, commended by one of his honourable colleagues because I managed to raise the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, don't get sidetracked. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: No, no. Mr. Speaker, thank you for the advice. And I just remember that . . . I will remind the Honourable Member that I am a history teacher by trade. And history will show that he never has …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: Never! POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. I'm afraid the H onourable Member is, again, misleading the House. I greatly respect the H onourable Member, Grant Gibbons, who held the seat before I did. But in fact, I did top his percentage on this occasion. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Minister, I am suggest ing you don't get caught in that sidetrack. Hon. Owen Darrell: No, no, no. Mr. Speaker, thank you. Thank you. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get caught up in it. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: And see . . . see, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get caught up. Hon. Owen Darrell: Yeah, yeah. Mr. Speaker, see, while we fail to realise that too often when we talk about the benefits of recovery, they get stuck at the top. We get stuck at the top and, you know, the Honourable Member and his friends on …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Owen Darrell: I'm sure if the H onourable Member from the other side would p oll his friends in international business and the amount of money that they have floating around with cell phone costs and they add up all those $6— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: I'm …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is $6. Hon. Owen Darrell: It is $6. Absolutely. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: See, this is where, Mr. Speaker, I hate to say it, but some Members of the other side are disconnected. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: And let me just finish here, Mr. Speaker, and this …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Owen Darrell: Service may — POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I'm afraid that that is, again, diving into personalities. It is diving into personalities. Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Contrary to the Standing Order I cited last time, we heard comments from the bench. Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Just remember, we all come here to serve. Some of us have different approaches on how we serve. Hon. Owen Darrell: Let me make this a little clearer.
The Speaker The Speaker All have the best interests of their service. Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope I'm on the right side of the line on this comment. And I do apologise that I singled out the Honourable Member from constituency 10. I do apologise. So, …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. We are now imput ing improper motives.
The Speaker The Speaker I was trying to let him finish. He hadn't finished. That didn't value what? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you didn't value what? I want to hear you finish [your] words. What's your finish? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Owen Darrell: In my opinion, Mr. Speaker, and the opinion of the voters that went to the polls in February of 2025— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker You are on a good line. You are on a good line. Finish up. Hon. Owen Darrell: By the way . . . through the mandate that they have given this party, the Progressive Labour Party — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get distracted. Stay on the line. Hon. Owen Darrell: I am confident, Mr. Speaker, that the voters of this country —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The ones that are left. Hon. Owen Darrell: —are supportive and will continue to be supportive of this G overnment, of the Minister of Finance, supported by the Junior Minister of Finance, and all of the G overnment, the Honourable Minister of Home Affairs, that we will stop at nothing …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other M ember want to . . . MP Swan?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to thank our Government for bringing forward something that would separate us from them. And I say that in that in this budget, which today we come with some legislation that is reducing the burden on persons, and we have heard my colleagues …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And when we talk about the difference of an ethos, this ethos, yes, thank you for that, I appreciate that. We have a significant difference because when they had the opportunity to represent the people of this country, they did not think it necessary to increase seniors’ pensions incrementally each …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Long time!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Because the cost -of-living increases that get afforded to seniors, they have said the same thing about that, what we have done since we've been the Government since 2017, and did it incrementally every year, thanks to the F inance Ministers past and present, that they didn't do. And when …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The Member is misleading the House because he's implying that there is this group of people, “they” . . . perhaps he could explain, b ut I'm going to read into what I think he's saying, who all think the same.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Oh, that's not a point of order.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And in fact, that is not correct. So, he is wrong. [Inaudible interjections]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto We have a diversity of views over here, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan We have a diversity of views, and I agree on that 100 per cent. But we have a debt and poverty line of people who make it very difficult for many persons to afford Bermuda. We understand that. And that's the difference between point of ordering when a person really …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman That's imput ing improper motive if I have ever heard.
The Speaker The Speaker You heard me responding to him beforehand . Member, I've guided other Members this evening to try and keep on the line where we stay above certain levels. I'm going to suggest you do the same.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Okay, Mr. Speaker, I'll say this much. And I appreciate the sensitivities that would force the M ember to come there. And I accept the point of order. And I appreciate your guidance. But I'll just say, let the record speak for itself. I got that from David Gibbons. You …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And good evening to the listening audience. And I just wanted to jump up and give a bit of a juxtaposition to the amount of rhetoric that we're currently being buried under. I'd like to cut to the chase here and say this : to translate, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
Mr. Dwayne Robinson And the thing that I wanted to push back on, because I don't want to — [Desk thumping]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Thank you. I don't want to let the night go away with some things that I've heard as far as challenging the validity of voters on this side and voters who have voted for Members on this side. And I find that that assertion, that members of the public and …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson But I think that at the end of the day — [Laughter]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson No, no. But at the end of the day there’s — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson A lot of folks understand, right? The message that was being said was that a lot of our constituents and the constituents of those opposite are in need of a lot more relief than $6 .
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Now, this is not to diminish it. As I said, another Member said, you know, $6 is better than zero. I agree. I absolutely agree. But what I don't want it to be is a political tool used in a way in which tries to divide the electorate, divide those …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson And it's . . . and the thing is, what we have to remember is that when we come into this Chamber we are not the OBA representative of constituency 25. We are just representatives of each constituency.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member True.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson And at the end of the day, that is what the electorate said to us loud and clear during the election. And usually after the PLP — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson —usually after the PLP wins an election, they tend to forget the messages that the electorate have said to them. But one of the main messages that I will remind the Progressive Labour Party is collaboration. C ollaboration and the respect and decorum within this House. And as soon as …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. 1022 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Dwayne Robinson: It was about where that particular Honourable Member came from and nothing to do with his comments that were made. And I find that level of debate to be disingenuous because there are Members on …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson There are M embers in this House that have varying levels of earning and that shouldn't be . . . I don't . . . I don't need that. I don’t even want to— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Because if I . . . if I turn around, Mr. Speaker, if I turn around, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Mr. Speaker, if I turn around, I have to remind a M ember that they are senior and should show some sort of decorum in this H ouse. Personally, Mr. Speaker, and I would love to see that because I know a lot of the electorate would like to see …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson So, if we're going to have a debate, let's just debate ideology, right? Both parties support the cut. Hon. E. David Burt: No, they don’t.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson So, well, the Honourable Premier says they don't. I heard and maybe . . . we were talking about the Hansard and digital innovation earlier. I think the Premier needs to check the Hansard because our Shadow Finance [Minister] said succinctly, We agree with the cut .
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Here we go.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson So, with that, I would like to just caution H onourable Members, as I am new in this House and I respect the seniority of many , that if we're going to have a debate on this, let's keep on the wicket of comments made in the House and not …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other member wish to speak? Minister Furbert. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand to my feet today because . . . first, I want to say that I do support this tax cut because that's what it is. And that's …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Talk about it. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Speaker, this G overnment has 60 per cent reduction on our energy taxes, as well as 40 per cent reduction in our payroll taxes for taxi operators. We've reduced private car licensing fees by 10 per cent . [Inaudible …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Talk about it. Hon. Tinee Furbert: We eliminated customs duties on materials for capital projects for community clubs, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh! Hon. Tinee Furbert: We froze local fuel prices at the pumps.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Premier, I think what we have not done, Mr. Premier, is probably shared what these snowball cost effects look like. Hon. E. David Burt: I’m coming. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Okay, you're coming. Because we cannot talk about — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Tinee Furbert: We cannot …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct! Hon. Tinee Furbert: We are a g overnment that is encouraged in wanting to support our people no matter how big or how small, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? None? Minister, . . . Junior —Oh. Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: I see, Mr. Speaker, they are getting ready to point -of-order, but they had better get ready because there will be a whole …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, I am going to take the assumption that you are just using that for statistics that you want to relate to and not a speech.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, let me start by saying that I am actually surprised that we are still here. 1024 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Well, I agree. I agree with you. [Laughter and inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. E. David Burt: And then to hear the Shadow Minister of Finance get up and say , Oh, we support it, but.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member But! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: So, here we go. Now, Mr. Speaker, the last Member from that side to speak, you know, tried to play kumbaya— [Inaudible interjection and laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: —and everything else, saying he is a new Member and he cannot believe— POINT …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House, and he should be sitting down right now.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: He is the Premier. He knows the rules. He is misleading the House . And the intent . . . it was a very sincere message that the Honourable Member gave. And for him to shed light on that Hon-ourable Member in that aspect is …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier He was very . . . He was very . . . He was very earnest about what he had to say.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And here we go again. We just talked about the DNA of certain people. Right —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —in this Honourable House. He needs to apply the take that he talks about. So, you know, everyone is keeping quiet here, letting the Premier say what he has to say, but to go down that vein of road is misguided. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, I know things have got a little heated today, so you need not . . . This evening. I should not even say today . Just this evening. So, we do not need to turn the flame up a little up. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, Mr. Speaker, I …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. E. David Burt: What is the point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier He is misleading the House again. I was earnest about what I said. How could I be misleading the House? [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker All right. We can move forward. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Move forward. Hon. E. David Burt: And Mr. Speaker, as we speak about the rights and privileges of Parliament —
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. E. David Burt: —I do believe that the last Honourable Member from that side said that everyone in this House was elected to represent and serve, and I am going to speak on behalf of my M embers in this House. And he can point -of-order me for …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker . We just went through that. I am sure that AI is not helping him out well at all right now. We already made the point. For him to get up again is disrespectful Bermuda House of Assembly to this House after we established the …
The Speaker The Speaker The wording or the attempt at wording what the Member is trying to do is to bring some peace back to the conversation. My words. My words. Hon. E. David Burt: I am fine—
The Speaker The Speaker What the Member was saying was trying to bring some peace back to the conversation. Hon. E. David Burt: And that is perfectly fine. And guess what my definition of peace is, Mr. Speaker — kumbaya. All right? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: There you go. There you go. …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Premier is misleading the House again. For him to suggest that the Honourable Member did not understand is way out in left field. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You don’t understand the rules of the House. Sit down! [Crosstalk] Hon. Zane J. S. …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, wait a minute. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait a minute. Members, Members. Members! [Gavel] The Speaker: Deputy! Deputy! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Did you hear what I said?
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy . Deputy. I am trying to get quiet so your Member can finish talking. Thank you. Members, this matter when it started, I think we all expected that it would not be going this long. I mean, no one here expected we would be here all this time because …
The Speaker The Speaker And we would all like to get on with the night so we can get all matters done. So let us tone down the tone that is unfortunately raised and let us get this matter done so we can move on to the next matter . Because I think everyone …
The Speaker The Speaker I meant let us wrap it up in a way that would bring it back to— Hon. E. David Burt: —Oh, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker —and do not turn the heat up any higher. I didn’t intend for you to cut yourself short — Hon. E. David Burt: —Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, just so we are clear —
The Speaker The Speaker Let’s keep it so that tone stays level. Hon. E. David Burt: That is clear. The only voices that have been raised in my time speaking are the Honourable Members over there who before I even stood up said, Point -of-order him the entire way through—
The Speaker The Speaker Let’s move on— Hon. E. David Burt: That is fine. Let’s trust and believe I will make it through my remarks —
The Speaker The Speaker Just continue through. Hon. E. David Burt: And so here we go, Mr. Speaker. Back to it again. The Honourable Member who, you know , took his seat from the other side, the last one to speak on 1026 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly that …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives and misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto He is imput ing improper motive and misleading the House because I did not demean anything, Mr. Speaker. I provided facts. I provided al-ternate ideas. I provided a policy that the Government could have spoken to, but no one on that side has spoken to any of the factual points …
The Speaker The Speaker Just . . . Just . . . Just try to keep this balanced here. The points that were raised were that , one, you agreed with the cut ; and two, that you just could have gone further. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker And so, I think that is what is being addressed, responded to. Did I miss any point? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, if I may. Number one, we all know that was not a point of order. That is the first thing because you have not asked me to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Now you are really mistaken. Hon. E. David Burt: Now you might hear a few things. But, Mr. Speaker, I will go back to my remarks because I want the people who are listening to hear and understand. The Honourable Member from that side got up and sa id, We …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: So now, let me go because here is the thing. There are . . . We talk about the personal attack s, that is what was said, and all the rest. This goes back to philosophy. And here is the reality, …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Premier —
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto He is misleading. It was the One Bermuda Alliance that put in place for the first time ever the progressive payroll tax system. [In] years and years of the Progressive Labour Party government, they did not see fit to create the system whereby the higher earners paid a higher percent-age. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Junior Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe enough has been said. The Government has clearly — [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go on and leave it on that. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —defended its position. And we all know that at the end of the day, the public will support what we are doing. So, Mr. Speaker, I move that the said draft Regulation be approved, that a suitable message …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to it being approved? There are none. The matter has been approved, and the appropriate letter will be sent. [Motion carried: The Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2025 were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members, for your participation. Now I understand that there is another matter for us to move on to. And I would like to move on to the next item on the Order Paper And MP Lawrence Scott, you have the motion that you would like to do this …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker yes. So put your motion. MOTION CYBERATTACK ON GOVERNMENT IT SYSTEMS IN SEPTEMBER 2023 , ESTABLISHMENT OF A PARLIAMENTARY JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now take under consideration the following motion, notice of which was given on the 28 March 2025: WHEREAS the Government had previously established “a Joint Select Committee of both Houses to inquire into and make recommendations arising from September’s cyberattack”, prior to …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the matter proceeding at this time? There are none. MP?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, Mr. Speaker Basically this . . . I am not going to talk long. Basically that this is just what I am suggesting is that we reintroduce the Joint Select Committee. We know that in September 2023 Bermuda was one of many nations that was the receiver of a …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Correct. The House was in agreement with it beforehand, and you just want to reintro-duce it.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Correct. Correct, Mr. Speaker , that since the House was in favour of it beforehand, I just wanted to bring that back so we can start back up and get swinging on that again.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott That is it, Mr. Speaker, for me.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any other Members who would like to make a contribution at this time?
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: MP Robinson, you have the floor. [Crosstalk and laughter]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Yes. Thank you. Yes. Mr. Speaker, I want to say to the Member who just took his seat that I want to assure [the Honourable Member], Mr. Speaker, that my comments are not in any disrespect towards that Member as I believe that he led the Joint Select Committee with …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson I associate my colleague from constituency 10. And I just wanted to rise today to offer maybe an alternative because I feel as though when we . . . I did not want to oppose because I want something to happen, but when we first constituted this, it was a …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? None? MP DeCouto.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections ]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto You know, my colleague put it quite well. I think he was talking about the time frame and what I would classify as a sense of urgency. And, Mr. Speaker, to be honest, the ship has sailed in my personal view. [Inaudible interjection]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I am going to give an example—the British Library. Some of you may have been there. I do not know. They had a hack at around the same time, the same time period. Probably I think it was within a few weeks. And you know, here we are (what are …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I would like to sing kumbaya — [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —especially to my half - blooded colleague sitting next to you. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Yes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. Speaker, at first let me just say that when I read the M otion, I was not in support of it. And the reason I was not in support of it at the time when I read it was because I …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And so, I am in support if it means that we . . . It does not seem like we are going to get the report if we do not have the [Joint] S elect Committee based on the Government’s direction and pathway that it has taken. S o, if …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution. None other? [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Oh. Yes.
Mr. Robert King No, no. It is okay. I will be brief. Good evening, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mr. Robert King —and Members of this Honourable House. Regarding the J oint Select Committee, I do not believe that there is going to be any merit in having it reconvened. We already have the subject matter experts’ information digital technology, an audit. The persons who are currently working within that area know …
Mr. Robert King Yes, I was, but I am not going to do it again. But the point is, the mechanisms are already in place to have a report written by the person who are already doing the work and protecting this Island. So, we do not need to waste time; we can …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, sir, Speaker. It clearly goes without saying that the Government supports the establishment of this committee and the re- establishment. The only reason why this committee was not able to complete its work is because …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker He was sitting in the House. He was sitting right there.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He was in the House.
The Speaker The Speaker He was in the House.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Okay. I apologise. [Crosstalk ] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 1032 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Jarion Richardson: Yes, earlier we were debating the relevant heads and the E stimates of R evenue and Expenditure where we made it quite clear that we believe in …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. What is the point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Premier is misleading the House. Nothing of the sort was said as to the Premier’s last comment. Nothing. Everyone who spoke has said they— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —support it. Every single Member that spoke to this Bill from the OBA supported it. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: That is false!
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is not false.
The Speaker The Speaker Let me help you out . [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Let me help you out. There was a Member who indicated he thought the committee should not continue—
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That does not mean that he did not support it.
The Speaker The Speaker There was one of your Members. One of your Members thought that the report — [Crosstalk]
Mr. Robert King I might be able to assist, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker —constituted.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, no, no, no.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay ? Hon. E. David Burt: I shall continue, Mr. Speaker. So, the Opposition Leader says that we should have more active committees and more should be done by committees. The Honourable Opposition Whip says he supports this. The Honourable Members who spoke before —unequivocal. The first one said the …
Mr. Jarion Richardson Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Jarion Richardson I believe the Honourable Member was referring to this specific committee. I did not say I support every possible committee under the sun that could ever exist.
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier is misleading the House. The statement he made to this House was that we over on this side do not support working in this Parliament other than on Fridays. That statement was not only rude, it is wrong, a nd it is misleading. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Does any other Member? None. Member.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I find it interesting some of the comments from the other side, and I feel as though I should share some data on this topic. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott In 2023, multiple nations were the victim of cyberattacks. And the cyberattacks I am talking about now are the government -focused cyberattacks. The Honourable Members on the other side have spoken to one report that has come out. And, Mr. Speaker, as you notice, I am not using my tablet …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott But what I want to say is from the notes that I have done and the time that I have spent —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott In 2023, around the same time that Bermuda suffered a cyberattack, how many other countries and how many other attacks (let’s put it that way) do you think happened? It is estimated hundreds of thousands of cyberattacks were either at-tempted or successful on government systems in 2023. How many of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We could be on schedule.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And so, Mr. Speaker, I would love to caution this House that we can either do this quickly or we could do this correctly. 1034 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: Yes! Another Hon. Member: That is right!
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And Mr. Speaker —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Speaker, I was raised in a household that said, Haste makes waste.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There you go. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I understand because I came into politics when we were the Opposition. It is easy on the other side to say what sounds good— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —and not have to back it up. On this side, when we say we are going to do something, we have to do it —and not just do it to do it but do it to do it correctly. And so, Mr. Speaker, we already have or at least the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member True. True.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Therefore , we must be working together with others. And the best place that I be-lieve and the Government believes to start is with the House of Representatives leading the way and having those conversations on your behalf, Mr. Speaker . Because this is a J oint Select Committee, y …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And, Mr. Speaker, even Members on the other side said that as we were making progress the J oint Select Committee was moving forward with transparenc y and that everybody was treated equally . And I will now go and embellish a bit that this was more parliamentary than it …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And it is good governance.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And, Mr. Speaker, as my colleague to my left that is lucky enough to share one of my names — [Laughter]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —has said, it is good governance. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No one is spared.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And so, Mr. Speaker, on that note, I move that we do move forward with the Motion, and be it resolved.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the M otion?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No objections. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker All right. I was just asking is there were any objections at this time . If there are no objections, are we going to need to take a vote on it. No? Okay, t hat is where the ayes and the nays would have come in— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker —but it seems there were no objections and they were in favour. So, I would accept that it has been done. Just for . . . And I am doing this piece for the edification of those in the listening audience. The Bermuda House of Assembly committees that are formed …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Continuity.
The Speaker The Speaker —and [for] the continuity of it. Thank you. We had expected the continuity to have carried forward so that we can bring it to a conclusion without having to back and start over at the beginning with fresh Members. So, with that said, the matter has been approved this evening, …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak to that?
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. The clock is on. You have your 20 minutes.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, welcome back. I must say that your Deputy handled the— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous I was just about to give a compl iment. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker He reeled you in real quick, eh?
Mr. Christopher Famous I must say, Mr. Speaker, but I shall not be deterred. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Your Deputy handled the Budget Debates, the briefs , just the way you would, Mr. Speaker. And you know it is unfortunate that today was , you know , kind of your welcome back , [and it] kind of got, you know —
The Speaker The Speaker [It's] Part of the process.
Mr. Christopher Famous Anyway, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous I will be very brief, Mr. Speaker, because the Deputy Speaker is giving me a look that — [Crosstalk] TRUE LEADERSHIP MEANS YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR VERSUS WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, I think she would appreciate what I am going to say. Mr. Speaker, some seven years ago you sent me on a CPA course, and that course spoke abou t the need for more women in political leadership. Earlier to-day we heard statistics that there were eight women …
Mr. Scott Pearman Honourable Member, take a point of information.
Mr. Christopher Famous Anything for Mr. Scott . POINT OF INFORMATION
Mr. Scott Pearman I have been listening to the Honourable Member speak positively about strides women politicians have been making south of us, and I would merely remind the Honourable Member that the first ju-risdiction in the world to have both a leader who was a woman and the leader of the Opposition …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes! [Desk thumping]
Mr. Christopher Famous Well, the first party that had an elected female leader was the PLP.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, to the west of us is a country that is called United States of America, and the present leader is, well, you know the name. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Christopher Famous That leader is Donal d Trump. Trump 1.0 made a statement, and I will not say some words because I know the Sergeant -at-Arms will take me out .
Mr. Christopher Famous Well, e scort me out, I mean. He said he did not want people from certain blank -blank -blank countries. He did not want people from Central and South America. And he did not want people from Africa. He wanted people from Norway. So, you can read into that what …
Mr. Christopher Famous Right. What is the relevance, Mr. Speaker? We have someone . . . I am not going to call any names, but you all can figure it out. We have someone who has for years been advocating in this country that we have population increase. Now some of their argument …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto He is both a . . . the Member — [Inaudible interjections ] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I am pretty . . . The Member I believe is alluding to another Member, and he is both mischaracterising and misrepresenting the Member’s remarks. So, he is misleading the House of Assembly, and he is also imputing improper motive. Thank you,
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, I would —
The Speaker The Speaker I am not sure who he is leading to. That one has going past me. And I have been making sure Bermuda House of Assembly that he did not go personal in any direct way because I did not know who he was leading to.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, thank you very much for your ruling. And I will say again, if the fish did not open their mouth, they would not get caught. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Okay, Member. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, my point being, one cannot advocate for population increase, rightfully or wrongfully, and then always take an opportunity to slyly disparage people from a certain region. It is Trump- like. Trump wants people out of his country, but he wants to bring in c ertain people. It is …
Mr. Christopher Famous So, I say this, Mr. Speaker : leadership. Yes, it is nice in here to come in and crack jokes between each other, you know, trade little barbs here and there—barb, b- a-r-b-s. But true leadership, Mr. Speaker, is telling people what they need to hear. And we are at …
The Speaker The Speaker On that note, I take it that we are closing out for the evening. There are no further speakers? No further speakers. Thank you, Members, for your contribution today and throughout this Budget Debate. I am sure all Members are pleased that we finally finished the Budget Debate. With that …
The Speaker The Speaker The House stands adjourned. [At 9:08 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 30 May 2025. ] 1038 28 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This p age intentionally le ft blank.]
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