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March 25, 2019

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The Senate reviewed three government department budgets totaling over $19 million. The Cabinet Office budget increased 16% mainly due to transferring the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation grant. Senators questioned delays in publishing retail sales and inflation statistics that should be available to the public. A new department is being created to consolidate human resources functions across government, though no performance measures have been set yet.

Chamber Senate
Date Mar 25, 2019
Session 2018/2019
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Speakers 3
Speeches 190

Key Topics

Cabinet Office budget review including overseas offices in London, Brussels, and Washington DCDepartment of Statistics budget and concerns about delayed publication of economic dataCreation of new Department of Employee and Organisational Development to consolidate HR functionsFinTech business development and status of promised investments from cryptocurrency companiesGovernment reform initiatives and expected cost savings

Bills & Motions

Three bills received first reading: Liquor Licence Amendment Act 2019, Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2019, and Customs Tariff Amendment (No. 2) Act 2019
Committee continued consideration of the Appropriation Act 2019 and budget estimates for 2019/20
Various government reports and regulatory notices were presented for information

Notable Moments

Senator Campbell joked about having to present so much material while other senators got to ask questions
Sharp questioning about why important economic statistics like retail sales and consumer price index haven't been published despite meeting internal deadlines
Detailed questions about unfulfilled promises from FinTech companies that signed agreements with Bermuda, including millions in promised donations and job creation

Debate Transcript

190 speeches from 3 speakers
The Chairman Chairman Senators, the Senate is now in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the A ppropriation Act 2019, together with the Estimates of Revenu e and Expenditure for the year 2019/20. This morning the first matter of business is with respect to the Cabinet Office and we have all …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please continue. HEAD 9—CABINET OFFICE Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 9, the Cabinet Office, which can be found on pages B -43, B - 46, and the Capital pages of C -4 and C -8. Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Senator. If you would like to now move on to the next Head, which is the Department of Statistics, Head 14, found on page B -53. HEAD 14 —DEPARTMENT OF STATISTICS Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, it gives me pleasure to present the budget for Head …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. If you would like to continue with Head 61, which is the D epartment of Employee and Organisational Development, which is on page B -70. HEAD 61 —DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYEE AND ORGANISATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, if I can just interrupt you for a second, just to acknowledge the presence of the following people in the Senate this morning: the Mini stry Controller, Gabriela Richardson, welcome, and the Director of Statistics, Meli nda Williams. To both of you, welcome to the Senate this morning. Thank …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell, and that concludes the presentati on from the Government on the Cabinet Office on Heads 9, 14 and 61. We have approximately an hour and 25 minutes left for questions, so there is quite a bit of time there. Would any Senator wish to speak on …
The Chairman Chairman That is with respect to business unit 19040? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Correct. This is the second to last performance measure. When we are looking at the programme initi atives resulting in increased efficiencies, we see that there are two programmes that are resulting in eff iciencies in 2018/19 so far, …
The Chairman Chairman Which business unit? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: This was the . . . well, I am assuming because it was not quite clear from the statement, but there was speak of the FinTech unit. I believe that fell under the business development unit, which is line item 19070 on page B …
The Chairman Chairman You are on page B -54. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, [page] B -54, correct. That the $66,000 in wages covers the sabbatical, or I am not sure of the exact explanation that was given, post from the salaries. And that makes sense because we see $66,000 more in wages and …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: And I will flip, it is just ov er, and we are looking at the performance measures. I am curious as to why the department believes that there has been such a sharp decrease in the page views for the Department of Statistics website from 24,000 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Senator Kempe. Would any other Senator wish to speak on these Heads? Bermuda Senate Senator Michelle Simmons, you have the floor. Sen. Michelle Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I only have a few questions. First of all, the Cabinet Office under Head 9—
The Chairman Chairman Page B -43. Sen. Michelle Simmons: Thank you, very much.
The Chairman Chairman And page B -44, I would imagine. Sen. Michelle Simmons: Actually, quite a number of those questions that I had were asked by Senator Kempe, so I am not going to repeat them. But I would like to go to page B -46 where we have the performance measures. And …
The Chairman Chairman On page B -70? Sen. Michelle Simmons: On page B -70, th ank you very much, Mr. Chairman. The only question I have is, I realise that recruitment will start soon for the lead post. I wondered how soon is Government intending to have this new department up and running? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Simmons. Would any other Senator wish to speak to these heads? [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I was just giving . . . if anybody else has any questions first, and then I will certainly allow Senator Kempe to speak again. Senator Kempe, you have the floor. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you Senator Simmons. I actually have another question about …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -46, I believe you are referring to. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: The performance measures are on [page] B -46 and the spend appears to be on [page] B -44, under line item 19020, Safety and Health. It looks like the 35 audits performed this year in 2018/19 were achieved …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Would any other Senator wish to speak to these he ads? If not, then I think Senator Campbell has quite a few questions and if you would like to take a few more minutes, Senator, to obtain all of your answers, please feel free to do …
The Chairman Chairman Just in case the listening public have just tuned in, Senator Campbell is in the process of obtaining answers to a variety of questions that were put to him during the debate on these heads under the 392 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Cabinet Office and the …
The Chairman Chairman —the Senate is actually in session. We are here; we are just waiting for answers to quite a number of questions which were put to Senator Campbell. So, thank you for waiting for those an-swers. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I will start with some of the answers I have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell, please— Sen. Vance Camp bell: There are a lot of questions, so—
The Chairman Chairman Yes, there are. Sen. Vance Campbell: The technical staff are wor king hard over there on the remaining answers.
The Chairman Chairman We have plenty of time left on this particular debate, so we can proceed w hen you are ready. Sen. Vance Campbell: I will start with questions on the . . . I cannot start with that because they are not here . . . okay — There was a …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Kempe, your point of clarification on that response. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, the interns that are assigned to the Cabinet Office here in Bermuda, they have a travel expenditure of $20,000? Sen. Vance Campbell: While the technical officer has briefly stepped out, I will continue to go on. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Kempe? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: I thought from the statement that the $19,000 in travel expense for the Brussels office was included under the travel cost line as opposed to the Brussels cost line. Am I misunderstan ding that? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes, Mr. Chairman. The breakout of the expenses at the bottom of the page are for the entire, you know . . . let me just go there. So when you look at salaries, it is for the entire head. So, when you are looking …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: There was a question, Mr. Chairman, I believe around the Business Development Agency . . .
The Chairman Chairman Business Development Unit on page B-44, and it was 19070, I believe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Point of clarification, just on the last question while the Senator is thinking.
The Chairman Chairman I think Senator Kempe, if you could just allow Senator Campbell an opportunity to work through the questions he has. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Okay — Bermuda Senate The Chairm an: Rather than interrupting him with — Sen. Nicholas Kempe: —before he went on to the next question—
The Chairman Chairman —more points of clarification, otherwise he is never going to finish one point to move on to the next. Thank you. Sen. Vance Campbell: Okay, there was a question, Mr. Chairman, concerning the difference when we are looking at 19000, General and Administration, on page B -44, the difference between …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Senator Campbell, could you tell me where you are referring to that? Are you on B - 53? Sen. Vance Campbell: [Page] B -55.
The Chairman Chairman B-55. So you are referring to the A dministration Unit — Sen. Vance Campbell: Where we see, yes, under Administration it says “Monitor usage of Department of Statistics’ web pages on the Government of Ber-muda’s website.”
The Chairman Chairman The first point. Sen. Vance Campbell: The first point. And it says actual outcome 2017/18 was 23,835. So, the original forecast was 15,000. The 23,835 is the actual out-come. Again, the forecast for 2018/19 is 15,000 and we have not reached the end yet, so we do not know the …
The Chairman Chairman All right. Thank you, Senator Cam pbell. Senator Kempe, you had a — Sen. Vance Campbell: That is the same forecast has been projected for 2019/20 as well.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Senator Kempe? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, point of clarification. I am not sure if that answered my question. My ques-tion was with an actual outcome of some 24,000 page views in 2017/18, to what does the . . . why is it 40 per cent less in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell, you have the floor. Sen. Vance Campbell: —it is a projection and the department decided to just remain consistent with the 15,000.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Sen. Vance Campbell: Under Head 14, Mr. Chai rman, there was a question around the vacant posts. The budget was not reduced significantly for salaries because the seven vacant posts were funded and hence are already reflected in the budget. In addition, as a result of the …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe— Sen. Vance Campbell: So, as a result of the need to fund the salary uplift, one of the vacant posts was left unfunded.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe, you have another question? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Point of clarification, Mr. Chairman. I understand the Senator when he says that positions remain funded, but if there were no warm bodies in those chairs getting paid, I am curious as to why the revised estimate …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator? Sen. Vance Campbell: The answer to that is two- fold. One, is the intent. Even though it was revised, the intent was to fill the positions that were funded. Also, in the interim, in order to meet targets there was over394 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe, you had a further question? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, I am still struggling with this answer, Mr. Chairman. So, for every month that a replacement e mployee is not hired, there should be a month’s less salary. Is the Senator saying that the overtime costs have been essentially …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Campbell — Sen. Vance Campbell: No. What I am saying, Mr. Chairman, is that the intent was to fill the vacant posts. The positions have been funded. From a budget perspective that was left intact , it did not change. There was no reallocation to …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: So the difference between what was budgeted for a full -time position and what was actually spent on overtime, was that money d iverted towards other initiatives, or will the consolidat-ed fund and the taxpayers see savings because the positions were not filled?
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, there w ill be savings as a result.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, there was a question around the release of statistical information which also includes the consumer price index. The target completion of the retail sales in that consumer price index has remained on schedule. And the r elease of the information is …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, point of clarification, Mr. Chairman. So, is the Senator saying that the Minister has had in his possession the December completed retail sales index since January 15 th, approximately, and the January sales index since February 15th, approximately?
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: According to the information that I have been provided, the consumer price index and the retail sales index for the months under ques-tion we re completed on time as per their target date.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Sen. Vance Campbell: There was a question around professional services.
The Chairman Chairman With respect to Head 14, or . . . ? Sen. Vance Campbell: I am trying to find that . . . I might ask, Mr. Chairman, if the Senator can repeat his question.
The Chairman Chairman Certainly, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe, would you repeat the question? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Sorry, Mr. Chairman, I have asked a number of questions. I believe my on ly que stion about professional services actually related to Head 9 on—
The Chairman Chairman B-44. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: [Page] B -44, correct. Yes, I remember the question. I can restate it if you wish.
The Chairman Chairman Please do, Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas K empe: In Senator Campbell’s stat ement, he mentioned that the decrease of some $500,000 in this year’s estimate for the professional services fund item related to the expiration of a pr ofessional service contract relating to government r eform. My question w as, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, under that is an amount for DC lobbyists for $250,000; CARICOM Bermuda Senate Annual Fees $187[,000]; the PSNT for $180[,000] ; there is Mi nistry without Portfolio consultant of $130,000; there is the cost of the Brussel’s repr esentative, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe, do you have another question? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, I just want to make sure I did not mishear the Senator. The Minister without Portfolio has a consultant costing the taxpayer $130,000 a year? I just want to make sure I did not mishear …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: That is correct. And that has been in the public domain, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Sen. Vance Campbell: I am just going to check and see if there are any more answers coming.
The Chairman Chairman Just for purposes of the listening pu blic, we are again working through answers to a variety of questions on the debate this morning dealing with the Cabinet Office. So there will be a pause from time to time while Senator Campbell consults with the technical staff from the department …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell, would you li ke to continue? Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I do have a couple more responses. One is around the question on the Safety and Health audits, as to why roughly the same amount was budgeted when there were 35 ver-sus 5 planned audits. Initially there …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Senator Kempe, you have a follow -up question to that? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chai rman. So, the answer that the audits took place is great, but did they take place for the same . . . did 35 audits take place for $119,000? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman The listening audience will appreciate that for the Junior Minister to have answers to some fairly detailed questions at his fingertips during such a debate is unusual. Therefore, the technical officers are here to provide the necessary answers to the questions. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes, Mr. Chairman. In regard to that, the department targeted five audits but the department is at the . . . they do have the direction of the Government, and if the Gover nment wishes to increase the number of audits there is a provision …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Kempe, do you have a further question? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, Mr. Chairman, that a nswer still does not answer the question. If 35 audits were achieved or were performed with $119,000 of spend, why are we spending $115,000 next year and only getting five audits? Sen. …
The Chairman Chairman Only one person at a time. Senator Kempe, continue. 396 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Who is directed to do it is i rrelevant. We are talking about the budget here and the taxpayer funds allocated to outcomes from that dollar spend.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, it is a budgeted number and if the five audits cost $4, then the sa vings will be realised. If they cost $10,000 the savings will be realised to the Gov ernment and the people of Bermuda.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, that answer, Mr. Chai rman, raises a further question. That $119,000, is it an outsourced, per audit expense line, i.e., if they only do five audits we are only going to spend $5,000, and if we do 35 we will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have a correction. That amount is for the salary of the indivi dual who conducts the audits. So, the more audits that are completed, then the better value the public r eceives for its money.
The Chairman Chairman I think that dealt with that question, thank you, Senator Campbell. Please continue. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, can I ask Senators if there are any significant questions that I have not answered? That would be the quickest way, because I do hav e a lot of paper in front …
The Chairman Chairman Senators, you have heard the comment from Senator Campbell. Senator Michelle Simmons, you have the floor. Sen. Michelle Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had asked a question about the new D epartment of Employee and Organisational Development. I was just trying to get clarification on how soon the intent …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Simmons. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I am not able to get that information at this time, but I will endeavour to provide it for Senator Simmons in the future. The Chairman: Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, Mr. Chairman, thank …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes, Mr. Chairman, the $77,000 is the rent for the consultant.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, I also asked questions about the Government Reform Initiative on page B -46, trying to understand what, if any, savings in dollars will be achieved from these initiatives, or expected to be achieved from the initiatives. I also asked a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I am unable to get the answers to those questions, and the answers to the FinTech initiative. But I will endeavour to pr ovide those to the Senator in the future.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Kempe, you had one further question? Bermuda Senate Sen. Nicholas Kempe: More of a curiosity thing. There was some $180,000, I believe, mentioned twice about PSNT, but the full meaning of that acronym I do not believe was desc ribed. I just want to know what PSNT …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I think all of the questions have been answered. Senator Campbell, would you like to move your heads please? Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 9, 14, and 61 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. [Motion carried: Cabinet Office Departments, Heads 9, 14 and 61, were approved.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman We move now to the next Ministry up for debate, which is the Ministry of Public Works. And we have allocated three hours for this debate. We will be looking at Heads 36, 53, 68, 81 and 82. And Sen ator Campbell will be up again for this debate. And …
The Chairman Chairman Please continue. HEAD 36 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS Sen. Vance Camp bell: Mr. Chairman, Head 36, Mi nistry of Public Works Headquarters, can be found on pages B-213 through B -219. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Public Works is responsible for maintaining Bermuda’s critical assets and infrastructure. In fact, Public Works i …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. We will now move on to Head 53, Bermuda Housing Corporation, found on page B -223. HEAD 5 3—BERMUDA HOUSING CORPORATION Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, as you know, the Bermuda Housing Corporation, Head 53, is not a department within the Ministry of Public Works, but …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell, if I could just interrupt you. It is now 12:30. The Senate will now adjourn for lunch and will be returning at 2:15 this afternoon. The Senate is adjourned. Proceedi ngs suspended at 12:30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:15 pm [Sen. James S. Jardine, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Senators and liste ning public. It is now 2:15 , and we are going to continue with the debate, which was started this morning, from the Ministry of Public Works. And when we broke for lunch, we were on Head 53, wh ich is the Bermuda Housing Corporation. …
The Chairman Chairman Certainly. Please proceed, Senator. Sen. Vance Camp bell: So, since last week Wednesday, and this is as of yesterday, around midday yesterday, there have been 955 responses that have been received. Of those responses, 53 per cent report that they are adequately housed. And conversely, 47 per cent report that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. We can move on to Head 68, which is Parks. And that is found on page B -224. Sen. Vance Campbell: Right through to page B -230,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman All right. HEAD 68 —PARKS Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, the Depar tment of Parks, under the Ministry of Public Works, is responsible for the administration of protected areas listed under the Bermuda National Parks Act 1986. This Act incorporates changes and amendments from the Bermuda National Parks Amendment Act …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, if I could just interrupt you for a s econd to acknowledge the presence in the 406 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Senate this afternoon of the Permanent Secretary for Public Works, Randy Rochester. Welcome, sir, this afternoon. And I understand that there are other repr …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. That concludes the presentation on Head 68. And we will now move to Head 81, which is Public Lands and Buildings. [Pause] HEAD 81 —PUBLIC LANDS AND BUILDINGS Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, Head 81, Public Lands and Buildings, can be found on pages B -231 …
The Chairman Chairman I am sure your voice is going to sound a little different this ev ening. But you are doing very well, Senator. Sen. Vance Campbell: We could just cut this short right now in the interest of saving my voice.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, no. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman We love hearing from you. All of this is good information. Sen. Vance Campbell: I try. I try.
The Chairman Chairman Thanks. Sen. Vance Campbell: So, Madam Chairman, pr ogramme 8102, Estates, has a total budget of $9,790,000. The Estates Programme is split between two cost centres, 91004, Property Asset Management, with a bu dget of $4,149,000; and Insurance, with a budget of $5,641,000. The mandate of the Estates Programme is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. We are moving along, as soon as you catch your breath and shuffle your papers, to the next head under this Ministry, the Ministry of Public Works. And it is Works and Engineering. We are beginning on page B -234 in the Budget Book. [Pause] MINISTRY …
The Chairman Chairman Just a brief interruption, Senator Campbell. We are on page B -235, yes? Sen. Vance Campbell: That is where we are starting, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. I will just give you a little time check so that you are aware of how things are going. We have another hour and 10 minutes for your brief and for questions. Sen. Vance Campbell: I will keep that in mind. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Just so that you are aware. 412 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam C hairman, the est imated budget for the Department of Works and Eng ineering for the 2019/20 fiscal year is $29,647,000, which represents a decrease of $941,000 from the 2018/19 original …
The Chairman Chairman I think the correct number is 10. Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes. The full -time equivalents for the cost centre, 92028, Water Sewage and Distribution, is one. Madam Chairman, t otal staffing levels within the Department of Works and Engineering are shown on page B -237. Employee number estimates for the …
The Chairman Chairman May I just interrupt for a minute, Senator Campbell? Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes, you may.
The Chairman Chairman We have 40 minutes left. Sen. Vance Campbell: I am getting there. I am almost there. It is a big Ministry.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Sen. Vance Campbell: Stabilise Roadside Rock Cuts, cost centre 75142, has a budget of $200,000. The area slated for stabilisation is along the Railway Trails near the Winton Hill area in Hamilton Parish. Foreshore Protection Work, cost centre 75144. Madam Chairman, the cost centre is used to …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell, thank you very much for that marathon brief. We appreciate it. Sen. Vance Campbell: It is a big department, Madam.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, it is. Would any other Senator like to speak? Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Let me just sort myself out real fast.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: It was quite the brief.
The Chairman Chairman As Senator Campbell said, it is a very big Ministry. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Are you going back to Head 36? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman On page B -214? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Okay. So, just looking at line item here 46111, under heading, Office Admi nistration. Sen. Vance Campbel l: Are we on 213? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: On page B -215. Sen. Vance Campbell: Page B -215. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Some of these questions might have …
The Chairman Chairman We are indeed. And I am not abs olutely clear about Senator Robinson’s question. Would you mind posing it again? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. So, I was just wondering what initiatives led to the increase here in 2018/19 from the previous 2017/18 estimate?
The Chairman Chairman And I think that Senator Campbell does have a point. That would have been debated in last year’s budget debate. So, we are here to compare 2018/19 with 2019/20. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Got you.
The Chairman Chairman So, do you want to look at that again and rephrase your question? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Give me two seconds,
Madam. The Chairman Okay. That is okay. Would any other S enator like to speak? Senator Jones. Sen. Marcus Jones: Yes, Madam Chairman. I just wanted to offer a point of clarity. Through the course of the debates for this budget, from most of the heads that have been debated and discussed, there …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Senator Jones, that is a point. But we have to link it to the current year and the year going forward. Thank you. 418 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Would any other Senator like to speak? Senator Jardine, you have the floor. Sen. James S. Jardine: …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, that’s fine. Sen. James S. Jardine: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Jardine. Senator Robinson, back to you. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Okay. I would like to r ephrase my question then, Madam Chairman. I would like the increase explained from the 2018/19 original to the 2018/ 19 revised, because, as we can see here, it was an overshoot. And …
The Chairman Chairman And we are looking at line item — Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Line item 46111, under programme 3601.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Just so that we are abs olutely clear. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Was there anything else? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Line item 46118 under Training and Development, I wanted to know . . . the revised estimate of 2018/19 shows a $92,000 reduction from the original estimate. What changed to cause this reduction? And, hopefully, it is still provi ding adequate training …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: I was wondering at this one here, under Transport, in the current account est imate, what caused the reduced spending here, as well? So, we have the original estimate here, that’s at $200,019. And the revised estimate is $84,000. So, I am just wondering if we …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: I would like the Senator to just indicate which item on page B -216 he is talking about?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. It is okay. Sen. Vance Campbell: The reason I am asking is that I am trying to write the question and listen at the same time.
The Chairman Chairman You are right. Sen. Vance Campbell: It does not always work.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robi nson: So, we are in the accounts estimate at the top of page B -216 under Transport, right below Training. Sen. Vance Campbell: Right.
The Chairman Chairman Is that clear, Senator Campbell? Sen. Vance Campbell: Yes, it is, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank yo u, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. Also, looking at Salaries and Wages in that same section, we have the salaries and wages i ncreased even though the employees have decreased over here in the full -time equivalents. So, I am just wonder ing what would be …
The Chairman Chairman Can you tell us which page you ar e on? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Page B -216, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Bermuda Senate Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. We have other expenses here. And I was just wondering if I can get some clarification on what these other expenses are and whether or not there was a bit of cost saving here, or whether or not that spending …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Looking at Professional Services, I was wondering if the consultant that was listed for the Minister of Public Works is listed in this item, or is the consultant listed under Salaries? I just want that clarification for myself. Jumping down to Materials and Supplies, still on …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: I saw that there was no i ncrease to any of the grants and contributions. And I heard a lot of housing projects, including the Grand Atlantic work, being mentioned underneath there. I just wanted to know if the current grants and contributions are adequate enough …
The Chairman Chairman Head 68. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes, page B -225.
The Chairman Chairman Correct. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: So, we have line item 78000, there under general summary. What caused the decrease from the 2018/19 original estimate? Has the Government had issues as far as recruitment r egarding the Park Ranger Service?
The Chairman Chairman Just so that everyone is aware, we have about 16 minutes left — Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. I am trying to gallop through that brief —
The Chairman Chairman —for the questions and responses. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. I am t rying to get the pertinent questions done here. Okay. Page B -226, under line item Travel, I was wondering what the increase was here. But now that we cannot refer to the . . . Well, I was …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Works and Engineering. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes, ma’am. I am trying to get some questions in on this.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: So, under engineering, we had line item 92002, Electrical Support. And we have an overspend here in the revised 2018/19 estimate compared to the 2018/19 original. And then, we see that the same $50,004 is estimated in 2019/20. So, I am just wondering if this overspend …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. 420 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate The Chairman: May I suggest that Senator Campbell respond to the questions at this point? Because there are only 12.5 minutes left. Senator Jardine, I know you have some questions. Sen. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: The first questions I would like to address are concerning the Bermuda Housing Corporation. Madam Chairman, quangos are not us ually required to produce performance measures. They answer to a board, and, in turn, the board provides annual reports to the Legislature. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, Senator Robinson had questions about the decrease in staf fing cost within the Parks. I believe it is on page B -225, where the original 2018/19, the revised is reduced. I believe that was the question. The 2018/19 revised was reduced from the …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell is just having a quick consult with one of t he technical officers. And I am sure that we will get a response to the next question in a minute. [Pause] Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I believe Senator Robinson had a question on HR. I am trying …
The Chairman Chairman Of course. Yes, definitely. Senator Robinson, do you remember that question? I do not remember your asking a question about HR. [Pause , inaudible conversations ] Sen. Vance Campbell: In regard t o the Senator’s question regarding training and development having only one full -time equivalent.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Vance Campbell: There is also a full compl ement of staff in the HR who can assist with training. There was a question as to whether the Mini ster’s consultant was listed under Professional Services or under Salaries. And that is listed under Sal aries.
The Chairman Chairman For the listening audience, we are just awaiting a response. Senator Campbell is consul ting. [Pause] Sen. Vance Campb ell: Madam Chairman, there was a question on Other Expenses. These are expenses such as lawn service, gifts and team -building activ ities. I believe the Senator had a question as …
The Chairman Chairman Were there any further questions? Sen. Vance Campbell: I am just checking that now, Madam Chairman. There was a question on cost centre 92002, I believe. Is that correct? If I could ask for clarification.
The Chairman Chairman Which head? Oh, okay. Sen. Vance Campbell: That would have been under Works and Engineering.
The Chairman Chairman Works and Engineering, yes. Would you mind repeating the cost centre again? Sen. Vance Campbell: It was on page B -235.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Vance Campbell: And it was the electrical . . . because there was a change in the original 2018/19 estimate to the revised, 504 to 600.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, yes. Cost centre 92002, Electrical Support . Sen. Vance Campbell: And that increase was due to internal costs for project management of the ongoing LED lighting replacement contract that was not bud gBermuda Senate eted for the previous year. And the new budget accounts for both the project management …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I believe that is most of the questions. And if I have missed any, I would e ndeavour to . . . if the Senators can touch base with me after today’s sitting, I will endea vour to get those answers to …
The Chairman Chairman And I believe that Senator Jardine and Senator Kempe will also have questions for you. But right now, we are out of time. So, Senator Campbell, would you like to move these heads in the Ministry of Public Works? Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 36, 53, …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. So moved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Public Works, Heads 36, 53, 68, 81 and 82 were approved.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. MINISTRY OF FINANCE Sen. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I move that the Com mittee do now take under consideration Head 10, Ministry of Finance Headquarters; Head 58, Interest on Debt; and Head 59, Sinking Fund Contribution.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell, I believe this is you once again. Sen. Vance Campbell: That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman I think you are going to earn som ething very special by the end of the day. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Hopefully, you will still have a voice. So, we are going to the Ministry of Finance. Sen. Vance Campbell: That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman We will let you shuffle your papers, catch your breath. Sen. Vance Campbell: Get some water. The Chairman: Yes. And we are beginning on page B-116. HEAD 10 —HEADQUARTERS Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam Chairman, the 2019/20 budget estimates for the Ministry of Finance Headquarters, Head 10, may be found in …
The Chairman Chairman Do take a sip, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: The voice is failing. I do not know if I am going to make it. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman You will get there. But you have backup, so do not worry. Sen. Vance Campbell: The Government has already implemented some of the recommendations of the Efficiency Committee and is carefully considering and quantifying others in advance of the 2019/20 budget cycle. Madam Chairman, in order to determine highpriority policy …
The Chairman Chairman While we are having a giggle, and while you pause for a minute to rest your voice— Sen. Vance Campbell: Although it does not sound like a bad plan. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITORS
The Chairman Chairman I would just like to welcome the Junior Minister of Finance, Mr. Wayne Furbert, to the Chamber, and also the Financial Secretary, Mr. Anthony Manders. Gentlemen, you are both very welcome. [Committee of Supply, continuing] Sen. Vance Campbell: Matters related to the Eur opean Union. The Unit’s goal is to …
The Chairman Chairman Do you need a backup plan right now, Senator Campbell? Sen. Vance Campbell: We may have to put a backup plan into place. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman You have willing backups. Sen. Vance Camp bell: Not until they start reading. Then they will become less willing, I am sure. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Vance Campbell: This is exciting stuff, is it not? I see you over there getting all worked up, you know. Exciting stuff. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Analysis and commentary on economic and financial statistics are provided, and an annual and mid- year review and outlook are pr oduced. The budget for this Unit in 2019/20 is $422,344, which is $47,000 less than the budget all ocation for 2018/19. Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar is going to assist at this point. Just so that everyone is aware, we have about 58 minutes left. And we are on the first head. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Okay. Madam Chairman, fiscal year 2019/20 will be an import ant and busy time for the Treaty Unit as …
The Chairman Chairman Of course. While you are doing that, I will just give a time check. We have roughly 40 minutes left. And we have two more heads to cover in this Ministry. And w e would like some time for questions, if possible. [Crosstalk] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: The department generates revenue of $400,000, and this represents a guarantee fee for the $165 m illion Morgan’s Point guarantee. There are capital acquisitions in cost centre 76152, which is the National Trust furnishings fund of $25,000. It is unchanged. This provision is …
The Chairman Chairman I believe the items you just mentioned are on page C -10, for people who are still trying to catch up. Sen. Crystal Caesar: All right. Okay. Madam Chai rman, on page C -16, the Pension Commission. The Pension C ommission is a corporate body established under the National Pension …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Senator. [Pause] Sen. Cry stal Caesar: Mr. Chairman, in the interest of time, that is all I will say on the Bermuda Casino Gam-ing Commission. I would like to move on to Head 58.
The Chairman Chairman That is on page B -138? [Inaudible interjections] Sen. Crystal Caesar: You will have to bear with me. I am jumping in, so I am doing the best I can.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. You are doing very well. HEAD 58 —INTEREST ON DEBT Sen. Crystal Caesar: Okay. Head 58 is Interest on Debt, page B -138. And there was a decrease of $7.5 million, or 6 per cent, to $116.5 million. Mr. Chairman, the 2019/20 budget allocation for interest on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Senator Caesar and Senator Campbell, because it was a dual team effort there. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Very mu ch appreciated. We have approximately 25 minutes remai ning. Would any Senator wish to speak to these heads? Senator Kempe, you have the floor. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Senators. That was a very detailed brief on Head 10. And I guess despite the …
The Chairman Chairman Please continue. Do not worry about my questions. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: The interest on debt at $116.5 million or $117 million is, when you compare it to National Security , at $135 mil lion; when you compare it to the Ministry of Education, [is] at $137 million ; when you …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. I think you are ready to answer some of the questions. Sen. Van ce Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do have some answers to some of the questions. The concern of how the Government plans to address the underfunding of the pensions, there has been …
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Senator. That is f ine. [Pause] The C hairman: We have three minutes left. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman While we are waiting, just for the li stening public, I would just like to acknowledge the presence in the Chamber this afternoon (it is still just . . . well, I guess it is this evening now) of the Minister of Finance, the Honourable Curtis Dickinson. It is v …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, there are two minutes left. Ma ybe a quick answer? Very quick. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, a few more answers. The mortgage initiatives, outside assistance will be sought to assist with that. And funding is in place for that. The employee who is responsible for finding or overseeing …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Kempe, you have one minute. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman, j ust a clarifying question. Senator Campbell said that there was funding allocated to support the mortgage initiative. But I would appreciate it if he could let me know what line …
The Chairman Chairman All right. I think that we are at the end of our time. So, Senator Campbell, maybe if you would share the answer to that question with Senator Kempe after Senate that would be very good. Sen. Vance Campbell: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator, would you like to move your heads, please? Sen. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 10, 58 and 59 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. 438 25 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate [Motion carried: The Ministry of Finance, Heads 10, 58 and 59 were approved.]
The Chairman Chairman And, Senator, if you would like to move your remaining heads into the budget, please? Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that . . . Do I have to do them individually?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Vance Campbell: Okay. Mr. Chairman, I move that the following heads be approved, non- Ministry Department Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98 and 101; Cabinet Office Department Heads 13, 26, 43, 51, 67 and 80; Ministry of Finance Heads 11, 28, 38 and 39; Ministry of …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. [Motion carried: All r emaining heads were approved.]
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Senator Campbell. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Capital Accounts estimates be approved and stand as part of the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 6 of the Bill, together with Schedules A to C, inclusive, be approved and stand as part of the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that the title stand as part of the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Report of the Committee on the Bill entitled the A ppropriation Act 2019 be adopted by the Senate.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Thank you very much, Senators. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2019 and the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2019/20 were considered by a Committee of the whole Senate and approved without amendment.] Senate resumed at 6: 26 pm [Sen. …
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