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March 20, 2019

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The Senate continued its budget debate, examining the Ministry of Legal Affairs' $49.1 million budget for 2019/20 - a 2% increase from the previous year. Attorney General Kathy Simmons presented detailed spending plans across three main areas: Ministry Headquarters, Attorney General's Chambers, and Child and Family Services. The government highlighted cost-saving measures through Legal Aid reform, moving from expensive outside lawyers to cheaper in-house counsel, and explained the new Financial Sanctions Unit created after certain powers were transferred from the Governor to the Attorney General.

Chamber Senate
Date Mar 20, 2019
Session 2018/2019
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Speakers 8
Speeches 144

Key Topics

2019/20 Budget debate focusing on the Ministry of Legal Affairs ($49.1 million allocation)Legal Aid reform implementation to reduce costs and provide in-house servicesNew Financial Sanctions Implementation Unit establishment following Brexit preparationsMedical cannabis licensing framework developmentLiquor licensing modernization after 45 years under current system

Bills & Motions

Appropriation Act 2019 - continuing second reading and committee stage review
Land Tax Amendment Act 2019 - first reading completed
Dental Practitioners Amendment Act 2019 - first reading completed

Notable Moments

The Mirrors youth development programme was transferred to Legal Affairs with a $906,000 budget allocation, shifting from local to overseas university campus experiences for participants
Legal Aid reform is already showing cost savings, with external legal fees dropping from over $1 million annually to $996,000 in just seven months of 2018
A new pupillage programme is training four Bermudian law students across different government legal departments to develop local legal talent

Debate Transcript

144 speeches from 8 speakers
The Chairman Chairman Senators, the Senate is now in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the A ppropriation Act 2019, together with the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2019/20. There is a schedule, which has been circulated to all Senators, which sets out the business for t he …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Yes, on behalf of the Senator, the Attorney General , who has had to leave the Senate temporarily for the moment. So, Senator, if you would please continue and present the Heads 87, 4 and 23, please. Sen. Anthony Richardson: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, fellow Senators and members …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning. MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS Sen. Anthony Richardson: I move that the Commi ttee do now take under considerati on Head 87, Mini stry of Legal Affairs Headquarters ; Head 4, Attorney General’s Chambers; and Head 23, Child and Family Services. HEAD 87 —HEADQUARTERS Sen. Anthony Richardson: Mr. Chairman, …
Madam Attorney General . The Chairman Thank you, Senator. Senator , Attorney General Kathy Simmons, will now continue with the presentation of Heads 87, 4 and 23. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, colleague, for stepping in. The 2 per cent overall annual budgetary i ncrease can be ac …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Than k you very much, Madam Attorney General. If I can just i nterrupt for a minute, t he Senate would like to acknowledge the presence of MP M ichael Scott in the Senate today. Welcome. Very pleased to see you. Thank you very much, Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam Attorney General. If you would like to proceed to the next head, which according to our schedule is Head 4. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And Head 4 —
The Chairman Chairman Is the Attorney General’s Chambers. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: The Attorney General’s Chambers. HEAD 4 —ATTORNEY GENERAL’S CHAMBERS Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, the mission statement, department objectives and current account estimates for the Attorney General’s Chambers, Head 4, begin on page B -93 of …
The Chairman Chairman We wish for that, Madam Attorney General. 244 20 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Capital Acquisitions Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, under Capital Acquisitions, the budget allocation for Capital Expenditures is found at page C -9 of the Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure. The …
The Chairman Chairman Madam Attorney General, if I could just interrupt for a moment. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman The Senate would like to acknowledge the presence in this Senate this morning of the Minister of Home Affairs, the Honourable Walter Roban. Welcome, sir. Please continue, Madam Attorney General. [Committee of Supply, continuing] Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under staffing, there are currently three …
The Chairman Chairman Madam Attorney General, if I could just interrupt for a second. And just as a time check, we are halfway through the allocated time of two hours. So, there is one hour remaining for the debate, just as a time check. Sen. the Hon . Kathy Lynn Simmons: Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Please continue. Initiatives for the Upcoming Year Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, with regard to initiatives in the upcoming year, under the Advisory Section, principal focus will continue to be on the development of Bermudians in Chambers, particularly in using senior counsel to assist junior counsel and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam At torney General. And we will move on to the final head, which is Head 23, Child and Family Services. And that can be found on page B -96 in the blue Budget Book. 246 20 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate HEAD 23 —DEPARTMENT OF …
The Chairman Chairman Just another time check. We have 26 minutes left in the debate. Sen. t he Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will press on as quickly as my voice allows.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Mr. Chairman, the inclusion of family is a key component of the service provision . When t his is not possible, alternative community -based relationships and resources are used to develop an appropriate plan. The program me at Residential Treatment Services also …
The Chairman Chairman Please continue. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: —that were made. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Over the previous year, Residential Treatment Services has successful met t he majority of the planned outcomes and outputs seen on pages B -100 and B -101 of the B udget Book. Statistical data and …
The Chairman Chairman We only have 15 minutes left for them to ask questions. So, maybe you could just wrap it up to give them an opportunity to ask a few questions if that is possible. But I do not want to force you either. It is your decision. We finish at six …
The Chairman Chairman Allow some time for questions. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Yes. And Mr. Chairman is asking m e to allow some time for questions. And I am challenged because I have some very good information here about Psycho- Ed, which I def initely wa nt to get into . …
The Chairman Chairman I would appreciate allowing some time for questions. I know it is a very large brief. But we have only two hours allocated for this particular section. So, it is in your hands, Madam Attorney General, but I would appreciate allowing some time for other Senators to ask questions. Sen. …
The Chairman Chairman I have precisely 12 minutes left for the whole debate on these heads. Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: Okay. I will pass over Family Intervention. I will keep reading, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda Senate In 2018, DCFS made concerted effort s to increase the skills of its front -line family …
The Chairman Chairman Can I give them five minutes for questions? Sen. the Hon. Kathy Lynn Simmons: No. I have to finish this. Mr. Chairman, t he current data revealed that , of the 20 children receiving treatment , 85 per cent were male and 15 per cent were female . Clients pr …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Madam Attorney General. We have precisely 30 seconds left. What I was going to suggest is that those who have questions or comments on this, please feel free to address them to the Attorney General after Senate has retired for lunch so that you do have an opportunity …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections? No objections. So moved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Legal Affairs, Heads 87, 4 and 23 were approved.]
The Chairman Chairman If we could now move on to the next Order of Business for the day, which is under the Mi nistry of Tourism and Transport. And again, two hours has been allocated for this debate. And we will be considering Heads 48 and 35. And that will be the Ministry …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar, you have the floor. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Committee do now undertake Head 48, Ministry of Tourism and Transport Headquarters.
The Chairman Chairman Please continue. MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND TRANSPORT HEAD 48 —HEADQUARTERS Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, the budget appropriatio n for the entire Ministry totals $88,496,079, as found on page B -194 of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for year 2019/20. The departments which come under the …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, if I could just interrupt for a moment. 256 20 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate I just want to acknowledge the presence in the Senate this morning of the Minister of Tourism and Transport, the Honourable Zane De Silva. Welcome, sir. Please continue, Senator. [Committee of Supply, …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar, if I could just interrupt for a moment and acknowledge the presence of the Permanent Secretary for Tourism and Transport, Aideen Ratteray Pryse , to the Senate. Welcome. Please continue, Senator Caesar. [Committee of Supply, continuing] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. Continuing on with c ruise ship and …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar, if I could just interrupt you and say that it is time for the Senate to rise for lunch. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Okay. The Chair man: It is now 12:30. And we will reconvene — An Hon. Senator: Do you have just a couple of minutes left? The …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, she has got more than a couple there. I can see that. So, we w ill rise for lunch now and return at 2:15 this afternoon. Senate is adjourned. Proceedings suspended at 12:30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:00 pm [Sen. James S. Jardine, Chairman] Bermuda Senate COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Senators , and liste ning public . When we broke for lunch we were reading through Head 48, which is the Ministry of Tourism and Transport Headquarters. Senator Caesar was busy reading through that head, so I would like to continue. We have 38 minutes remaining on this …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much, Senator Caesar. We have 27 minutes remaining for a debate on this head. Would any Senator wish to speak on this head? Senator, you have the floor. Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon to my Senate colleagues. Good afternoon to the listening audience. …
The Chairman Chairman That is on page B -195? Sen. Marcus Jones: Yes, sorry, page B -195. It has a cost of $141,000 and that represents the majority of one full -time employee. A question that I would have for the Government is, Is this one full - time employee in this position …
The Chairman Chairman Can you reference the page in the Budget [Book], or are you referring to some other i nformation? Sen. Marcus Jones: Well, I am referring to . . . actually, I am still on line item 58020 —
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Marcus Jones: —because I am talking about the positions there of hotel inspect ors. And that would be right on that line. Yes?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Marcus Jones: So with less capacity, I would have a couple of questions. Is there a capacity for this department to be able to spread their wings and actually do a little bit of inspections of Airbnb properties? Now, we recognise that we do not want to overregulate …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Jones. Would any other Senator wish to debate this head? Senator Simmons, you have the floor. Sen. Michelle Simmons: I just have a few questions, Mr. Chairman. First of all, on page B -196, and I am looking at the Revenue Summary, line item 81082, Civil Aviation …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Michelle Si mmons. Would any oth er Senator wish to speak to this head? If not, then I think Senator Caesar, you have some questions to answer. Would you like to proceed with those? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the question was …
The Chairman Chairman That’s all right. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Okay. Mr. Chairman, there was a question around the BCAA and their revenue share. I can share that the BCAA is self -supporting. T he re venue share is after any expenses and any reasonable reserves, and any residual is provided to the gover …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Head 48. Sen. Crystal Caesar: I’m sorry. Yes, Head 48, Tourism and Transport, be approved at this time.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Thank you, Senator Caesar. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Tourism and Transport, Head 48, Headquarters, was approved.]
The Chairman Chairman I believe you are also in charge of presenting the next head, whi ch is Head 35. Sen. Crystal Caesar: I am, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Again, we have one hour allocated for this. Head 35 is Public Transportation, and that can be found on page B -208. 264 20 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate HEAD 35 —DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION Sen. Crystal Caesar: Just bear w ith me, please. Mr. Chairman, I move …
The Chairman Chairman Please continue, Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, the Transport Division of the Ministry of Tourism and Transport, specifically the D epartment of Public Transportation is Head 35, and it is found on page B -208 through B -212 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. Would any Senator wish to speak to this head? Senator Kempe, you have the floor. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Thank you, Senator Jardine. I would just like to ask a few questions about the performance measures. I noticed that cancell ations have been a recurring challenge for …
The Chairman Chairman I think it would be good if you could just keep asking your questions and then she can r espond at o ne time with all of the answers. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Do you have those, Senator Kempe? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes. And a similar measure, during the Statement there was a point about the average age of the fleet and that performanc e measure has also been discontinued. So I would just like to know how we are trac king these …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Would any other Senator wish to speak on this head? Senator Michelle Simmons, you have the floor. Sen. Michelle Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a couple of questions. First of all, in the performance measures, and I believe . . . well, we are on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Simmons. Would any other Senator wish to address this head? Senator Jones, you have the floor. Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am looking at cost centre 3501, which is on page B -208. Just a few words before I ask a few ques tions. …
The Chairman Chairman You are looking for C -12. Sen. Marcus Jones: C-12, Capital Acquisitions?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. C -12. Sen. Marcus Jones: Here we are. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your v igilance. The line item there under Public Transport ation is 76293, which is the buses. So we understand, I believe, that four buses have arrived. Can we get a total number? The spokesmen for …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Senator. If I could just interrupt for a second. If you have questions, address them to the Chair, and again the questions will be answered by Senator Caesar when she gives her ans wers to all the questions. Sen. Marcus Jones: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman You have to speak through the Chair. Thank you, very much. Please continue. Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you for your direction, Mr. Chairman. So, Mr. Chairman, if I could get clarificati on on the numbers of buses and whether they have been delivered or whether they are en route, and …
The Chairman Chairman Very well. Sen. Marcus Jones: So, I reiterate to my colleagues the importance of having a bus system that works for everybody. It works for the tourists who come to our country and want to enjoy the pleasures of the sun and beach and not be found standing in the …
The Chairman Chairman I understand. It is a make of bus. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes. It is a make of bus, yes. We have some of their technicians assisting our very abled mechanics, but of course, as the buses age there are more complications. So we have had to hire them. Obviously, we …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, what is your point of clarification, Senator? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Sen. Nicholas Kempe: I just want to know how the increase spend on professional services for the MAN buses relates to the increase hire of mechanics. I would expect to see one to go in one direction and the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Senator Caesar, if you would like to continue with your . . . Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes. Thank you. So, just finishing my answer as it pertains to not being able to hire minibuses and fill that private sector gap, in time sightseeing tours, et cetera . …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Kempe, I think if you would like to clarify your question to Senator Caesar, if there was some doubt as to what you were trying to convey. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes. My question surround ed the fact that last year the actuals in revenue for bus passes, which …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Caesar, you may want to take some time to answer that question if you do not have the answer. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do have—
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed with the answ ers to the other questions. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Answers to the other questions, yes, thank you. There was a question, Mr. Chairman, around the performance indicator which was 50 per cent for Tourism Ambassador staff, and it is the same for 2019/20. The DPT …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, that is fine. You can confer. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. [Pause] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Mr. Chairman, for the question around professional services, again, and the increase in the hire of mechanics, the reality is that the DPT has been trying to hire new mechanics. And it is act …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objections. So moved. Thank you, very much, Senator Caesar. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Tourism and Transport, Head 35, Public Transportation, was a pproved.] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman We now move on to the next Order of the Day which is the Ministry of National Security. Again, we have allowed two hours for this. We will be debating Heads 27 and 6. I believe that Senator Caesar you are also presenting these heads as well. I will give …
The Chairman Chairman That is fine. We will do each head an hour at a time. We can begin with Head 27 which is Immigr ation. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now undertake consideration for Head 27, Immigr ation.
The Chairman Chairman You may begin, Senator Caesar. MINISTRY OF NATIONAL SECURITY HEAD 27 —DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, i t gives me pleasure to present the budget for Head 27, the Department of Immigr ation, found on pages B -289 through B -294 of the Budget Book. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman And before I invite other Senators to comment, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Gallery the Minister of National Security, the Ho nourable Wayne Caines. Welcome. [Committee of Suppl y, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator like to speak? Senator Jones. Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would like to just say a few words in regard to the overarching subject of immigration before I actually start to deal wi th the cost centres and the line items. If I …
The Chairman Chairman That’s okay, Senator Jones. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman While you are doing that, I am going to acknowledge the presence in the Chamber of the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of National Sec urity, Mr. Collin Anderson. [Committee of Supply , continuing] 274 20 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you. Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Jones. Would any other Senator wish to speak? Senator Kempe? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, I may. It will be depen ding on the answer for the land acquisition fees, which have certainly caught my attention.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Caesar, back to you. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would just like a few minutes to confer, please.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, that’s fine. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. [Pause] Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: There was a question that I thought had been asked, but hadn’t, so I might as well add it to the list.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: I just wanted to understand the relationship between —
The Chairman Chairman Which page are you on? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: I am on pages B -290 and B - 291.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: I note that there is a very large increase in professional services, and there is also an increase of five people. So I just wanted to know, ki nd of, why both are happening at the same time.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Senator Caesar, did you get that question as well? Would you like Senator Kempe to ask it again? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, please.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I just wanted to get some more clarification. I note that professional services has a very large i ncrease, the largest percentage increase, but it is also accompanied by an increase in five more employees. I would just like to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. While the technical staff answers that question, I would like to go back and answer some questions that have been asked previously. There was a question, Madam Chairman, with regard to the consultation, or Green Paper that will be drafted. Well, …
The Chairman Chairman That’s fine. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Madam Chairman, point of clarification.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Kempe. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, the Senator just said that the digitisation was in the capital budget. But the question was about the training expense in the current account budget. So I just want to get some clarity. I would understand that the actual software …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you for your clarification. Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: If I could just answer that question directly?
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Madam Chairman, it has been confirmed to me that that is actually included, that particular question. It is i ncluded in the capital budget; it is not included in that training number. Okay?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, no problem. For the question regarding land registration fee revenues, What is the justification for the $5 mi l-lion est imate? This is arrived at using historical average trends, plus a degree of professional judgment. It is subject to market conditions and the timing …
The Chairman Chairman You are still working? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, bear with me.
The Chairman Chairman Take your time. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. [Pause] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Just so the listening public is aware , the technical officers who support us oftentimes have to scribble down notes, so it is not quite as quick one would think. If they would just have an understanding and …
The Chairman Chairman I think you m ay have another r esponse there. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Oh! Here we go! [Laughter] Sen. Crystal Caesar: I didn’t see it!
The Chairman Chairman And we will give you a minute to see— Sen. Crystal Caesar: To digest, yes. [Pause] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Okay. Thi s question is around the civil penalties, [business unit] 37010. The question was, What is the success level for the department hotline for violations of immigration breaches? As the …
The Chairman Chairman Are we still waiting for further r esponses? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, a couple of them, yes. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe, yes. Please go ahead. Sen. Nicholas K empe: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. On the land acquisition fees, I believe I heard, and correct me if I am wrong, Senator Caesar, you said that the drop . . . or, I am not sure if you even addressed …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Caesar, are you prepared to answer? Or do you need some more time? Sen. Cr ystal Caesar: I am actually going to confer, but before I answer that I am just trying to see if there was something else that I needed to respond to.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Does any other Senator wish to ask a question or comment? Okay. [Pause] Sen. Crystal Caesar: In just going back to civil pena lties, civil penalties are levied when someone has been in violation of some of the regulations or imm igration laws. And although there has been an …
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of clarification, Senator Kempe? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Madam Chairman, I was comparing the actuals from 2017/18 on both salaries and/or employees, and professional services, be-tween actuals of 2017/18 and 2019/20, which is where I got the five employees and the . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, thank you. Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Cabinet actually did not approve the additiona l five in headcount, so there will be no increase. And professional services are actually going to be paid from Ministry Headquarters. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: A follow -up question.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe, please go ahead. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Thank y ou, Madam Chai rman. Bermuda Senate If Cabinet has not approved the increased headcount, why are we budgeting funds for the sal aries?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Senator Caesar, would you like to have some time to respond? [Pause ]
The Chairman Chairman Senator C aesar? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, thank you. I have been told that there is actually an err ata. I am not sure if you have that, Senator Kempe and
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Which page are you referring to? Sen. Crystal Caesar: To page B -292. The C hairman: Is it page B -290? [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman We are just trying to establish the correct page. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar, may I make a suggestion? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Sure.
The Chairman Chairman Perhaps you should continue to work on the answer, and we will hear it later. But I think this will take a bit too much time to try to answer it right now. And we certainly want the correct information— Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman —as opposed to something that is just hurriedly presented. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes. Thank you, Madam Pres ident, I think the difficulty is that an errata, Madam Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Madam Chairman. Sen. Crystal Caesar: —has actually been issued and so we would need to ensure that that is the page that we are referring to, to ensure that we are looking at the same thing as Senator Kempe. And I think he would need to do the same as …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Just to be clear, we have r eceived some 15 pages of errata, but B -290 and B -291 were not included in that last.
The Chairman Chairman Right. I believe that is what we are saying. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. And Senator Caesar and her technical adv isors will ensure that we get the erratum we need and also answers to the questions. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, we will, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. Sen. C rystal Caesar: I am also just quickly scanning the additional questions that have been asked to en-sure that I do answer the appropriate questions. The final question that I believe I have not answered is with regard to land fees. There is a timing …
The Chairman Chairman What is y our point of clarification, Senator Kempe? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Sen. Nicholas Kempe: So is the Senator saying that this $5.5 million in the 2019/20 estimate includes re venue that should have been collected in 2018/19? And if so, how much of that $5.5 m illion is deferred …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Sen. Crystal Caesar: I am advised that it is not act ually deferred revenue, it just has not yet been collec ted. It is a receivable. 278 20 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate The Chairman: Senator Kempe, a follow -up? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Then …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: I am advised by my technical officers that because at the time that the revenue is done it is in January, so there is lag in the numbers.
The Chairman Chairman And again, I think that if there is further follow -up on that, it can come a bit later. Senator Caesar, do you have any other r esponse? Sen. Crystal Caesar: Not at this time.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Sen. Crystal Caesar: I am just getting some clarific ation as it pertains to the hotline calls and what the ty pical penalties are. I do believe that I answered, but I will reiterate that hotline calls are only as successful as they are received. So, obviously, …
The Chairman Chairman It is Head 27. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Head 27, which is Immigration, sorry. Yes, I do move that Head 27 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objections. So moved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of National S ecurity, Head 27, Immigration, was approved.]
The Chairman Chairman We are now moving on the next head in this Ministry, the Ministry of National Security, Head 6, Defence. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman And I believe we are on page B -273. Sen. Crystal Caesar: That’s correct, Madam Chai rman. I move that the Committee do now undertake consideration of Head 6, Defence, which is found on pages B -273 through B -276. HEAD 6 —DEFENCE Sen. Crystal Caesar: Madam Chairman, Head 6 …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Two senior officers of the RBR attended and passed the Advanced Command and Staff Course at Shrivenham, UK. This course is a post graduate programme which prepares officers for se nior command positions within the RBR. Four soldiers, three male and one female, of the RBR …
The Chairman Chairman Mm -hmm. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Madam Chairman, in closing, the RBR is an organis ation with proud traditions and a structure, ethos, training and management which is now being transitioned into a hybrid unit. The organization is being modified and is being designed for what Bermuda needs today in terms …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. Would any other Senator like to speak? Senator Jones. Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I have liste ned to the spokesman for —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Junior Minister. Sen. Marcus Jones: I have listened to the spokesman . . . Junior Minister. Sorry. I have listened to the Junior Minister for National Security. My train of thought got all ruined there, but I want to get it right. Respect is due. I listened with great interest …
The Chairman Chairman On B -27 . . . ? Sen. Marcus Jones: I’m sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -274. Sen. Marcus Jones: Thank you for your assistance, Mr. Chairman. So, I am looking at that figure of $349,000, which was the most updated figure, and then in 2019/20 it has been removed. So maybe some clarity. If that amount is attributed to the Coast Guard, I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Jones. Would any other Senators like to speak to this head? No? Then I think Senator Caesar y ou have some questions. You have had a busy afternoon of questions. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Mm-hmm. [Crosstalk] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There was a question with …
The Chairman Chairman Please do. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Mr. Chairman, the question was regarding the complement of full -time employees as to what the [breakdown] was of Bermudian versus non-Bermudian staff. My understanding is that a ll of the officers, except one person, are Bermudian. There was also a mention of succession planning …
The Chairman Chairman You did. You mentioned the compl ement of 200, but it is variable depending on the commission. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Correct. That is correct. And what the needs are at the time. I believe that I have touched the questions that I have noted here. Certainly, if there is anything …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: I believe we have more time. I have a follow -up question that has not remained entirely clear for me. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed, Senator. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Thank you. The $349,000 in the revised 2018/19 budget ( I am on page B -274, for those who are following along ) on Marine Operations. That was a one- time spend? And, if so, to what end did it go when there is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Sen. Crystal Caesar: If you recall, during the Amer ica’s Cup we needed to deploy a unit to assist with the Marine Services . That is what that one- time revised number was for. As we do not presently have a coast guard, so we actually …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. You want to finish your sentence and then I will — Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Apologies.
The Chairman Chairman —ask for a follow up. Bermuda Senate Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes. As you k now, we do not have a coast guard and so we did have to divert some of that money to the Marine Operations in order to assist with the America’s Cup.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. Senator Kempe, do you have follow up point? Sen. Nicholas Kemp e: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The America’s Cup was in June 2017. The financial year 2018/19 starts in March 2018 and fi nished in March 2019. It is unclear to me how the $349,000 spent …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Kempe. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. I will just —
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar, do you want to take a few minutes to confer? Sen. Crystal Caesar: —confer. Mm-hmm. [Pause] Sen. Crystal Caesar: Thank you. I have received clarification. Those funds were actually diverted during and after America’s Cup. We noted, as a result of the fact that we actually do not …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Mm-hmm.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe, you had a follow -up question? Sen. Nicholas Kempe: Yes, a foll ow-up question. If this spend happened during the America’s Cup, as well as after, why is the line item showing z ero dollars spent in the actual for 2017/18? And if it is for training, why …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Kempe. Sen. Nicholas Kempe: If it is for training, why is it not in the training and validation line? It is listed here in Marine Operations.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Caesar. Sen. Crystal Caesar: Yes, we will have to go back and figure that out. We do not actually have a specific answer for that question right now. So we will have to take that under advisement and get back to him.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Would you like to move your head? Sen. Crystal Caesar: I would, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Head 6 now be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Nat ional Security, Head 6, Defence, was approved.]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Campbell. Would you like to move that the Committee rise and report? Sen. Vance Campbell: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee rise and report progress, and ask for leave to sit aga in?
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. So moved. Thank you, Senators. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] Senate resumed at 5:06 pm [Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dil las-Wright, President, pr esiding] The President: Good afternoon, Senators. Thank …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who is speaking? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: The Honourable Walton Brown. The President: Carry on, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: “So what exactly is it that the Government wants to do? Does the Government want to take control over the development of the W aterfront? Does the Government want to take …
Madam President . The President You are on a roll! [Laughter] REGULATIONS GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2019 Sen. Vance Campbell: Madam President , I move that the Senate do now take under consideration the draft Regulations entitled the Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2019 . The President: Is there any object ion to that motion? No …
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