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House of Assembly Session 2018/2019 606 speeches

March 13, 2019

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The Premier and Finance Minister addressed Bermuda's placement on the EU's tax non-cooperative list, explaining it was due to a minor technical error in regulations that has already been fixed. They expect Bermuda to be removed from the list at the next EU meeting in May. The House then began debating the Legal Affairs Ministry budget, which includes funding for courts, child services, and the Attorney General's office. The National Security Minister announced a police recruitment drive seeking 16 new officers.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 13, 2019
Session 2018/2019
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Speakers 23
Speeches 606

Key Topics

Bermuda being placed on the EU's list of non-cooperative tax jurisdictions due to a technical omission in regulationsGovernment budget debate focusing on the Ministry of Legal Affairs departmentsBermuda Police Service recruitment campaign for 16 new constable positionsBermuda Housing Trust financial statements and plans for additional senior housing

Bills & Motions

Three bills introduced for first reading: Customs Tariff Amendment (No. 2) Act 2019, Liquor Licence Amendment Act 2019, and Dental Practitioners Amendment Act 2019
Committee of Supply resumed to consider the 2019/20 budget estimates for Ministry of Legal Affairs departments

Notable Moments

The Premier took full responsibility for the EU listing issue, stating "the buck stops at my desk" and refusing to blame individual civil servants
Opposition members pressed for details about how the technical omission occurred and the vetting process used
The government learned about the EU decision through press reports rather than official communications

Debate Transcript

606 speeches from 23 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Deferred ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 8 th of March, as well as the 11th of March, have been d eferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR M EMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker This morning, we have had notice that the Honourable Member Dunkley will not be present today. HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker I would also like to use this time to acknowledge in the Chamber with us this morning is former Member of Parliament, Mr. John Barritt. Welcome. And I also see a Youth Parliament P age this morning, Ms. [Mia] Currin. Welcome . And we trust that you will enjoy your …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are two papers this morning, the first in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. GOVERNMENT LOANS (SUSPENSION OF ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION TO SINKING FUND) ORDER 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation, and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The second paper or communication is from the Minister of Works. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. BERMUDA HOUSING TRUST FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR THE YEAR ENDING MARCH 31 ST, 2018
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honour able House of Assembly t he following: The Bermuda Housing Trust Financial Statements for the Y ear Ending March 31st, 2018.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. 1050 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are four Statements on the O rder Paper this morning. The first is in the name of the Premier. Premier, would you like to present your Statement? The others are being disseminated as we speak. The Sergeant -at-Arms is disseminating the Premier’s Statement at this moment. BERMUDA AND THE …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement on the Order Paper is in the name of Minister Caines. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue. BERMUDA POLICE SERVICE 2019 RECRUITMENT Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker , I rise this morning to inform this Honourable House that the Bermuda Police Service is in the midst of a dynamic recruitment campaign. The campaign commenced on March 8th. Suitable candidates are invited to apply by no …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement on the Order Paper this morning is in the name of the Minister of Works. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Bermuda House of Assembly THE BERMUDA HOUSING TRUST AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am pleased to table the Bermuda Housing Trust [BHT] Audited Financial Statements for the year 2017/18 and to report that not only are they up to date in their annual audits , but are also in a healthy financial posi tion. Mr. Speaker , this is no accident , …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That brings us to a close of Statements. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker We are in the Question Period. Members, have indicated that they would like to put questions to the Ministers in reference to the Statements this morning. And the first Statement that questions have been indicated for is the Statement from the Premier. 1054 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Second question or supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. QUESTION 2: BERMUDA AND T HE EUROPEAN UNION—BERMUDA MEETS THE REQUIRED STANDARD Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Could the Honourable Premier advise this Honourable House what the vetting process was? [I am] not asking for the individual names; I am just asking for the process.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, there was signif icant process that was gone through, with the Attorney General’s Chambers, along with private sector par tners in the Insurance Advisory Council. And numer-ous drafts and diff erent things were shared with them back and forth. On this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or further question? Suppl ementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Bearing that in mind, I just want to get from the Premier an understanding of how this has all taken place. We want to be clear that we picked it up as opposed to the EU picking it up. That is really what we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am happy to get back to the Minister with specific clarifications on that particular issue.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. No further questions? Third question or supplementary? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have a third question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Third question. QUESTION 3: BERMUDA AND THE EUROPEAN UNION—BERMUDA MEETS THE REQUIRED STANDARD Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Could the Honourable Premier advise what the initial stated deadline for the submis sion was? Hon. E. David Burt: The initial deadline was the end of December. Countries submitted their legislation by …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Sp eaker, the resubmission was on the 4th of March, I believe, which was well outside the 24th of February deadline that the Member just indicated. So, my supplementary question is, In the …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am not entirely certain how many more times I can say it, but I am going to try and say it again. What took place in this particular process were multiple reviews that took place by multiple persons and individuals. That is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Second supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, second and final on this matter, because I realise it is very testy for the country. The final overview of the documentation, notwithstanding we had various people responsible, var ious organisations responsible, is there a process for future lessons that …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Members. Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member asks, Is there a process? The answer is yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. That brings us t o a close of the questions for the first Statement. The second Statement that Members have indicated that they would like to put questions regar ding is the Statement from the Minister of Finance. And, Minister, the Member who would like to ask you …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I think the short answer to that is that I can ask that question. We are still waiting to receive formal communications from the EU with respect to our listing, which we have not received yet. We learned this information through the press …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, just a su pplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The Minister indicated having learned this information through the press. What is the expected exchange of information, that the press would have gotten it before we did?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Cur tis L. Dickinson: Thanks, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member . . . let her know that throughout the course of the last 10 days, there have been various press reports around Bermuda’s listing, inclusion, not inclusion, all, I suspect, the result of leaks c oming out of …
The Speaker The Speaker Second suppl ementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Second suppl ementary. The Minister indicated that he had direct co ntact with our UK representatives. But have you had any direct contact, perhaps through our Brussels of-fice, directly with the ECOFIN individuals ? Or are you just still waiting for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: We are awaiting formal written communications from Brussels.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No further supplementaries. That brings us to a close of the Question P eriod, because there are no questions for the other Statements that were made this morning. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker But before we move on, let me just acknowledge, even though it was mentioned, let me officially acknowledge that Senator Campbell is in the Gallery with us this morning. And we welcome you. APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker And also, it was omitted when I made announcements earlier that the Deputy Opposition Leader will be absent today and Friday. So, I would just like to have that officially noted, as well. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member wish to speak to that? We recognise the Honourable Minister De Silva. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to send condolences to the family of Mr. Bernard “Bernie” Woods, who passed …
The Speaker The Speaker For many years, for many years. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes, for several decades.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: And of course, he was, some may say, “the mayor.” And we have several mayors up in Sunnyside Park at S outhampton. So, I certainly hope that the House will send condolences Bermuda House of Assembly to the family, in particular to his …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member w ish to speak? No other Honourable Member is speaking this morning? That brings us to a close of congratulations and obituary speeches. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MO TIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MAT TERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are three Government Bills to be introduced this morning. The first is in the name of the Honourable Minister of Finance. Minister. FIRST READING CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT (NO. 2) ACT 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill which, according to section 36(3) …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. The next two are in the name of Minister Wi lson. Minister, would you like to do yours? FIRST READINGS LIQUOR LICENCE AMENDMENT ACT 2019 DENTAL PRACTITIONERS AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the following Bill …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Orders of the Day. And again, for the listening public, we are t oday resuming the continued debate on the Budget and for the consideration of the expenditures and rev enues. This morning, the first Ministry up for debate is that of Legal Affairs. There are some four hours set …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any o bjections to that? No objections. So moved. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Head 87, Ministry of Legal Affairs Headquarters; Head 3, Judicial Department; Head 23, Child and Family Services; and Head 4, A ttorney General’s Chambers.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mi nister. The Chairman for this morning’s session can come forward now. House in Committee at 10:44 am [Mr. N. H. Cole Simons, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2019/20 [Continuation thereof] 1058 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of …
The Chairman Chairman Spokesperson; my apologies. MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move the following Heads, namely, Head 87, Ministr y of Legal Affairs Headquarters; Head 3, Judicial Department; Head 23, Child and Family Services; and Head 4, Attorney General’s Chambers, be now taken …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman. Point of information.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am afraid I have not been pr ovided with a copy of the Minister’s brief. So, I would be grateful if she could bear in mind that I am trying to take a note.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is not a requirement.
Mr. Scott Pearman I appreciate that it is not a r equirement, but I would be grateful. She is galloping through this, and I would be grateful. I am trying to take a note.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, sir. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Specific details of these figures are as follows: • $724,000, Ministry Headquarters; • $829,000, Legal Aid Office; • $324,000, Financial Sanctions Implementation Unit; and • $478,000, Mirrors Programme. Professional Services Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, $1,866,000, or 28 per cent of …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -85. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. HEAD 3 —JUDI CIARY Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The Judiciary is established by the Constitution as a separate and independent branch of government. Its task is to adjudicate char ges of criminal conduct, resolve disputes, uphold the Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Chairman Chairman So, are we on [cost centre] 13010, Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I was getting to that. I was just . . . (I am a little parched.) So, line item 13000, Criminal Injuries Compensation. T his cost centre provides for payments to victims of criminal acts, as decided by …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I would like to recognise the presence of a former Deputy Speaker of the Honourable House, the Honourable Walter Lister. [Desk thumpi ng] [Committee of Supply, continuing] HEAD 4 —ATTORNEY GENERAL’S CHAMBERS Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, turning now to Head 4, the Attorney General’s Chambers. That can …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I would prefer that we break for lunch and r esume after lunch at two o’clock. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we now rise for lunch and return at 2:00 pm. Proceedings suspended at 12:28 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:03 pm …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Members. We are now resuming in the Committee of Supply in consideration of the Government’s Budget and now we are still on the matter of Legal Affairs, and those respective Heads are 87, 3, 23, and 4. The Chair will now recognise the Minister Ms. Kim Wilson. You …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The activity covered in pr ogramm e 2303 is Residential Treatment Services. These services include the Brangman Home, the Ol eander Cottage, the Youth Development Centre, and Administration. For this programme there is a budget alloc ation of $7,173,000 and this represents a 2 …
The Chairman Chairman That concludes the Minister’s presentation on Head 23. Are there any other Members that wish to address this head? The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 22. You have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank my Honourable and Learned Minister for her detailed presentation. And I also, if I may, pause to acknowledge the presence in the Chamber . . . I know the Attorney General and I see her walking in now . . . Senator the Honourable …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, the very detailed presentation by the Honourable and Learned Minister focused on four specific heads of the Ministry of Legal Affairs, not all the heads, but four specific ones, as you will be well aware. And I have asked the Honourable and Learned Minister if it suited her, …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman —I will deal with one, she will respond. I will do the second and she will respond. And so with your leave, Mr. Chairman, that is how we have agreed to deal with this portion of the Budget Debate.
The Chairman Chairman I have no problem with that.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed.
Mr. Scott Pearman Starting then at Head 87, which is the Ministry of Legal Affairs Headquarters, for the benefit of those following along or those listening who may have Budget Books, the Ministry of Legal Affairs Headquarters portion of the Ministry of Legal Affairs budget under Head 87 is dealt with at pages …
Mr. Scott Pearman —for Anti -Money Laundering, more generally. Thank you, quite right. And so given that the Minister has those two hats, can the Minister kindly speak —and this is my fifth question—to the thinking behind the move of NAMLC? And that need only be an answer to the question at a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. The Chair now recognises the Minister, Ms. Kim Wilson. You have the floor, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I thank my honourable and learned colleague for those questions. I will attempt to a nswer them, not necessarily in the order …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. The Chair now recognises the Shadow Mini ster, Mr. Scott Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful. I would be grateful if the Learned and Ho nourable Minister were able to get such responses. I appreciate it is not always possible to get them while you are on your feet, but I would be grateful for an indication that the questions asked will be …
The Chairman Chairman Just over an hour.
Mr. Scott Pearman So I may pick up the pace a little bit because I have got three more to get to. The next major head of the four dealt with by my learned and honourable friend is the Judicial D epartment or, as we more often say in shorthand, the Judiciary. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair now recognises the Minister — Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman —the Honourable Kim Wilson. Ho n. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you and I will attempt to answer the questions, not necessarily, forgive me, in the order in which they were asked. However, with respect to the matter that was raised concerning the liquor licence. The modernis ation includes two new …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. The Shadow Minister has the floor again.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I do not know if y our clock is more precise, are we about 30 minutes left, is that where we are?
The Chairman Chairman We have 40 minutes left.
Mr. Scott Pearman Forty minutes left. Just on that last answer concerning the Crim inal Injuries Compensation Board, I accept that it i s a statutory board, but my understanding is that it is also an appointed statutory board and, therefore, there is an oversight function. And sometimes if people are not meeting, …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, yes, yes, right. Oh, it is. Well, I am grateful for your point. So, respectfully, Mr. Chairman, I think the answer that was given probably was not correct. I do not fault the Minis ter, but if a further answer could be sought on that point as to why …
Mr. Scott Pearman Head 4, page B -93, and line item . . . it is the fifth line item down, 04050 Debt Collection. Thank you. And just a couple of specific questions regar ding Debt Collection and if these numbers are not available in the room, then I would be grateful for …
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. Minister, are you prepared to take the floor? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: With respect to the questions that w ere asked concerning the Debt Enforcement Unit, the total number of outstanding debt owed to the Government . . . the Attorney General’s Chambers is not charged with actually recording that total information. That is information …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. The Chair now recognises the Member from [constituency] 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just very briefly and if the Mi nister has time to respond, if she is able to get the i nformation at the end of the debate, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would care to pose any questions while the Minister is getting some of her answers?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman, just to clarify an answer that was just given. I had pointed out a 41 per cent increase and we had looked at [page] B - 80 and it was line item 97000, and the answer as I believe was just given is the increase in …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilso n: The increase of the $389,000, or 41 per cent, represents $242,000 for the Litigation Guardians and the Communications Officer of $105,000.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you , Minister, for that clarific ation. The Shadow Minister, you may resume.
Mr. Scott Pearm an Thank you. I know that there are still some questions outstanding of the three previous heads, but let me now move on very quickly to the fourth and final head, which is, again, for those following along, Head 23 in relation to the Department of Child and Family Services. Let …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Mini ster. Are there any other Members that wish to contribute or raise questions with respect to Head 23, Ministry of Legal Affairs [Department of Child and Family Services]? The Chair now recognises the Honourable and Learned Minister, Kim Wilson. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any other Members . . . okay, the Chair now recognises the Shadow Minister, the Honourable Member Scott Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Cha irman . I was very careful in the question that I posed and I will repeat it because I think it deserves to be repeated. I was not asking about the case, whether that be the investigation or any of the three investigations or whether that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you , Honourable and Learned Member, Shadow Minister. The Chair now recognises the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I am not sure that there is anything else that I can add further to this. As I have indicated, I am holding this matter on behalf of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Members that wish to address any of these heads, I might add, or pose questions? The Chair now recognises the Opposition Leader Mr. Craig Cannonier. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon to everyone. Over on Performance Measures, [page] B …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I just want to caution Members that we have approximately 11 minutes remaining, in total. The Chair now recognises the Honourable Member from constitue ncy 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just very briefly would like to ask, in respect of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Member. The Chair now recognises the Shadow Mini ster, the Honourable and Learned Member, Mr. Scott Pearman.
Mr. Sc ott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just a few follow -up questions that were still live for Head 23 and I will just go through those in s equence. We were under Head 23, and I noted [on page] B -99, under business unit 33020, and it says investigations screening the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, sir. Are there any other Members that wish to pose any questions with respect to the heads in question? The Chair now recognises the Minister, the Honourable and Learned Member, Kim Wilson. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, with respect to th e questions, I …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: With respect . . . I believe there was a question concerning the children placed overseas, there were a total of six Psycho- Ed clients that were approved for an overseas placement at the un iversity in America, and that was following a compr ehensive …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, just two final follow-ups from that. I am not sure we got an answer as to whether or not the budgeted figure that had been indicated of $242,000 was going to include attorneys or not and if it does not, where [are] those costs i ncluded? But just …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we have about 50 seconds left in this debate. The Chair now rec ognises the Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: That is not correct in that the Litigation Guardian actually is the voice of the child in the court proceedings, as you said, and they …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. The Chair recognises the Shadow Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman So the answer to my question was no? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman, thank you. You are absolutely correct.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm, good.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman, with the last seconds remaining I would just like to thank the Learned and Honourable Minister, thank the Attorney General who is present in the Chambers, her PS O’Brien, and the team. I see the Director is over there as well, I think, and thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. Members, that brings to an end the debate on the Ministry of Legal Affair s and the respective heads in question. Minister, are you prepared to move the heads that we have been debating? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move that …
The Chairman Chairman The Minister has asked that Heads 87, 3, 23, and 4 be approved as printed. Are there any objections? No objections. [Gavel]
The Chairman Chairman The heads are approved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Legal Affairs, Heads 87, 3, 23, and 4 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2019/20.]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member s, we are, of course, still now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2019/20. We will now spend the next period considering the heads that are being moved by the Minister for Labour, Community Affairs …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Is there anyone who would like to speak? We are debating Heads 20, 52 and 60, Labour, Community Affairs and Sports. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Good evening, Madam Chairman. I would like to start out by saying that I appr eciate the opportunity to give feedback and ask for some information on Heads 20, 52 and 60. I would also like to take the opportunity to thank Honourable Minister Foggo for a very detailed brief, …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just real quick.
The Chairman Chairman You said page B -251?
Mr. Ben Smith [Page ] B-251, and I am looking at —
The Chairman Chairman Under the expenditure?
Mr. Ben Smith Under expenditure, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you. So, where it says Clothing and Uniforms. So, what I was saying is that the Minister would know that I also sit on the Association of National Sports Go verning Bodies, which has been looking at some of the initiatives to actually increase the national pride and for …
Mr. Ben Smith Sorry. Page B -250. The Minister gave us some details about a youth development policy. If she could give us a little more detail on that policy and the targets for impl ementation so that we have an idea of when we should be able to see these changes come …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there any other Member who would like to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just have a couple of questions for th e Minister. If I go to page B -253, …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me one minute, Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Sure.
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are in debate. Can we please watch our volumes? Thank you. Proceed, Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordo n-Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. With respect to the National Sports Governing Bodies, the NSGB’s, one of the biggest challenges that is always there, obviously, we have a limited supply …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who wis hes to speak? Minister, you have a few questions. But I just want to note that the time is now 7:17. And this debate has approximately one hour and one minute left. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you. Thank you. I will attempt …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constitue ncy [31].
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just that some of the answers to the questions have act ually prompted some other questions. And I had a couple of questions that I did not ask the first time. So, the Honourable Minis ter just explained that the pool facility has a cost of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: The Honourable Member’ s question, she asked the question about the $117,000 for [programme] 6881. That is split between Heritage Celebration, the Gombey Festival, the Apprentic eships, the Tradition Bearers, the Folklife, the R esearch Grant, and Uncover the Arts. These funds are allocated for …
The Chairman Chairman I was going to say, is t here any other Member who wishes to speak? But you are already on your feet. So, I recognise the Member from constit uency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I just want to confirm. The Honourable Member said …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak? No? Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Okay. In terms of the swi mming teams that come from overseas, much of that is funded by the BTA. At this point in time, I am not able to give you the answer …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constitue ncy [31].
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just speaking specifically again to the pool, obviously with my background I have some specific information that I can add to this. But when it comes to heating and the cost of the facility, can the Minister let us know whether the facility has covers to …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Members who would like to speak? No. Minister, you have a few more questions. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: In response to how many people use the community centres, I am looking at these numbers. And I think it suggests that if they are adding up the numbers collectively …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, we did not get the r esponse to where the other $117,000 is in the budget. I just could not find the number. And …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member, do you have a further question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. We did not hear about whether there were community sponsor-ships coming in for the pool. And is that something that the trustees would have to advise? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes—
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Sorry. Yes. That is specific information that will come from the trustees, because they keep the accounts. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency [31].
Mr. Ben Smith So, Honourable Minister, the questions that we asked regarding how many people are actually using the facility, the breakdown of how many people are actually diving summertime, wintertime, those answers you will be able to get for us, but you do not have presently?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: If you are looking for specific numbers, I would have to get them. I can say that I believe, during the summer with the diving, there are two summer diving camps that I think take place up there at the National Sports Centre swimming pool.
Mr. Ben Smith Honourable Minister, so the difficulty is that the pool is deep because of diving. So, when the numbers do not match why you are actually having a pool that deep, it is becoming difficult for me to understand. So, we talked about how expensive it is to use. And in …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: In terms of numbers, I cannot speak to that. But what I can say is that the pool is utilised all year long. You do have people who use the pool, who swim there, whether they are training for a triathlon or what have you. …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you have a further question?
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman.
Mr. Ben Smith So, on page B -250, I am just going to look at programmes one more time. This is a specific question about —we have athletes in Bermuda now training in multiple sports. And with that, there is the opportunity for them to then travel overseas and get Bermuda House of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, would you like to answer that question? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: That basically falls under the remit of the National Sporting Bodies. And there are certain cri teria, as you can appreciate, with the var ious different sporting agencies. What we have ascertained to do here in Bermuda is …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak? I recognise the M ember from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. You realise that this subject is very dear to my heart, as I am a wannabe athlete, good athlete. However, I am …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak? No? Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: In terms of the question r egarding the Seniors’ Cruise, I can say that that Se niors’ Cruise had been cancelled for budget reasons. But in terms of the tea, the Premier organises the …
Mr. Ben Smith NCAA. [Laughter] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: But we understand. [Laughter] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. We are looking at more ideas for sports scholarships. And we have been rev iewing a pr ogramme and a partnership with some colleges. And that is still …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak? I recognise the Member from constitue ncy [31].
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. On Head 52, just a couple of quick questions. On page B -260, [business unit] 62000, for the Grants. There are five grants for non- government organis ations that support cultural heritage. Would it be poss ible to list the organisations and get some detail on …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to —I am sorry. Member from constituency 31, are you fi nished or were you just taking a breath?
Mr. Ben Smith I have one more question.
The Chairman Chairman Sure.
Mr. Ben Smith On page B -261, it is business unit 62050, for Heroes D ay. Just a question. There is an event that happens where there are 400 in atten dance, depending on whether there is a hero or not. So, just the simple question is, Will there be a hero for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The last person. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Absolutely. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, would you like to answer those questions? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: I do believe that I answer ed the question in my brief with respect to the hero. We said that we are not recognising a new hero. But we are putting extra emphasis into the former hero, Mary …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member who would like to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. The Ch airman: And just one thing, briefly. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Just note that we have 15 minutes left for this debate. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That is fine. Thank you. I was just waiting for the responses in respect of the Workforce Development questions that I had [asked]. I think that they are coming. So, I am happy to …
The Chairman Chairman Maybe they did not think you had reached the age to be a senior. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Just for the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2019/20. And we are currently looking at the programmes under the Department of Labour, Community and Sports. And we have Heads 20, …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Go rdon -Pamplin: Thanks, Honourable Chairman. I just wondered also about the differential, of the 1,605 who are registered, we are projecting the number of individuals to be hired to be $2,800 [sic]—I mean 2,800 people. (You can trust …
The Chairman Chairman Minis ter. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: In part, let me say this, that some of the people that you speak of, what happens at times, people do end up securing employment. And in spite of best efforts, they do not report that to Wor kforce Development. And so, although you …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, in light of the Minister’s revelation that we are relying on people to keep the department up to date in terms of their Job Board applications, I ask the question, …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member? No? Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Further to my comment r egarding the Job Board, also added to it is the fact that all of those persons listed on the Job Board are not necessarily unemployed. And the majority, or the l ion’s share of …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thanks, Madam Chairman. And while the Honourable Minister is waiting for the answer, the question begs , How can we have an effective methodology by which we purge that mammoth number to determine those people who do …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise Minister Foggo. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: In response to suggesting a more efficient and effective way for the Job Board to operate, the Job Board makes persons inactive if it is not used regularly. And they have to set themselves Bermuda House of Assembly back up on it. …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the member from consti tuency [31].
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Madam Chairman. One final question on Head 20 for Sport, just a policy question. Does the Ministry of Youth and Sport have any policy regarding sponsorship of youth events by alcohol -selling sponsors? Just, obviously, because we are trying to make sure that we are sending the right …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, just so that you know, you have four minutes left. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you. To that, I will say this. If we are talking about a youth event that is taking place, [and if] anybody u nder the age of 18 is part of an event, there …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Just for clarity, there is a particular youth event that is, effectively, as we speak, being spo nsored by . . . I do not know if I want to call the name of the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: That is a different question. However, let me just repeat the fact that, at a y outhsponsored programme, there is no serving of alcohol. I will endeavour to find out if, for instance, we would allow sponsorship coming from an organisation like that. We would …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Foggo, would you like to use your last minute? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: At this point in t ime, I would like to thank Members for their participation in this d ebate. It was quite robust. And, Madam Chairman, I move the following Heads: 20, Youth, Sport and Recreation; …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 20, 60 and 52 be approved. Is there any objection? No. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 20, 60 and 52 be approved as printed. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Labour, Community Affairs and Sports, Heads 20, 52 and 60 …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise and report. Minister, you threw me off just now. It has been moved that the Committee rise, report progress, and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: But . . . …
The Chairman Chairman No? Oh. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you for doing that for me, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes? Is there any objection?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There is none. 1132 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House resumed at 8:20 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Members. Is there any objection to the reporting to the House the Estimates of R evenue and Expenditure that were just concluded under the heads of the Legal Affairs first thing this morning, and Labour, Community Affairs and Sports this afternoon? Any objections to those being reported? There …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move that the Bill entitled the Municipalities Reform Act 2019 be now read a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? No objections. Continue. BILL SECOND READING MUNICIPALITIES REFORM ACT 2019 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I rise to intr oduce the Bill entitled the Municipalities Reform Act 2019, to be read a second time. This Bill seeks (1) to abolish municipal elections; (2) to provide …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: As I stated in my Ministerial Statement on the 1 st of March 2019, this Bill begins the journey towards achieving the goal of modernising the municipalities and realising the Government’s v ision for the people of Bermuda. While there have been a number of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What happened? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Numerous mayors during that period negotiated with no fewer than three intern ational hotel brands, including Starwood, St. Regis and the Ritz -Carlton, to bring a hotel to fruition. They were lavishly announced, Mr. Speaker. Deals, development agreements, even an SDO and planning approval. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would any Members like to speak to that? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 7. Honourable Member Sylvan Richards, you have the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will start out by saying that the more things change, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, let us take a point of order. Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. There is nothing in this Bill which talks about t aking revenue or resources from any of the corporations. It is merely to do …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou. Member. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Speaker, with that being said, I would like the Minister to address this question, which actually feeds off of what he just said. Is Government willing to ring- fence the whar fage fees and other income streams —i.e., parking fees, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourabl e Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member , Mrs. Ming, from St. George’s. Honourable Member , you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good evening, Mr. Speaker, and listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mrs. Renee Ming Whoa . . . I am going to start my comments today by saying that, as a proud St. Georgian, I think many have expected that I would have spoken on this matter prior to now. But I wanted to say, Mr. Speaker, that empty vessels make the most noise. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? Blue and Blue?
Mrs. Renee Ming Blue and blue blood running through us. I will speak to that later.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Now, now, now. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming Mr. Speaker, I have lived in St. George’s all my life. I have actually lived in the Town of St. George my entire life. I have had the insight into the running of the Corporation of St. George’s even prior to my becoming a common councillor and an alderman. My …
Mrs. Renee Ming So, if you gro w up around the Corporation, Mr. Speaker, you have some deep roots i nvested in the Corporation. And I am going to educate my Members that . . . and I said I would say this. I wanted to make sure that I said it at …
Mrs. Renee Ming Until it is oxygenated, all blood is blue— 1138 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: What is important is the colour that comes out. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I will not mention what that colour is.
Mrs. Renee M ing From my mom, who was employed by the Corporation, to my great -grandmother who is 101 years old, I will tell you—103 years old, she continues to advocate for St. George’s —to my Uncle Phoopa, who died as a common councillor, who tried for years, wanted to be on the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Have mercy!
Mrs. Renee Ming So, you could imagine that we had some hearty discussions, and sometimes arguments. But there is hardly any time we have a family function or event that something about St. George’s does not come up. So, Mr. Speaker, I do not think that my family finds it too surprising that …
Mrs. Renee Ming So, as a proud St. Georgian who wants just the best for St. George, I want to see a town that is thriving and that capitalises on its greatest strength— its history. And to know St. George’s is to understand the history. Mr. Speaker, specifically for you, like it or …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Let’s not go too far. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming Well, we can say what we like, but I do not think that Sir George Somers and Mr. Gates landed in Somerset. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming They actually came off on Gates Bay, or so commonly called Fort St. Catherine beach. So, think about it. We heard a lot about 21 and 22 square miles. Well, in 22 square miles they chose St. George’s . So, like it or not, that is where i t started. …
Mrs. Renee Ming And this is where our history starts. So, I have been using the phrase of this is where it started for quite some time. Even on social media I always say that, because I am reminded of the rich histor y that St. George’s has and continues to have. Bermuda …
Mrs. Renee Ming I did not say any names. I do recall a time, though, when I first purchased my home (and as I said to you, I have always lived in the town) when I had to pay two taxes. Now, that blew me awa y. It is funny because you buy …
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes. So, h ere I was paying land tax and I was pa ying Corporation tax. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Renee Ming So, I think that this was something that quickly . . . well, actually, I would not say quickly, but it was stopped in 2003. And so, St. George’s people began to enjoy just one tax. So, Mr. Speaker, you can see that St. George’s has been challenged for some …
Mrs. Renee Ming The Minister . . . I know he hears me, and that is why I sai d an undertaking here tonight, because I want Bermuda to hear me that we will look to give St. George’s its own Act. We have been under a Municipality Act for almost 100 years. …
The Speaker The Speaker You have one minute left.
Mrs. Renee Ming Oh, okay. I guess I definitely will not be standing too much longer. [Laughter]
Mrs. Renee Ming But, there are some areas of the Corporation, and I think I spoke to this before, that one seems that we need a lot of . . . we are asking for money. But one of the specialities that the Corporation does not have on staff or in its actual …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from cons tituency 8. Honourable Member Simons, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . First of all, I would like to commend the former spokesman for St. George’s , Mrs. Renee Ming, for her passion for St. George’s , for her co mmitment to her constituents. And I have to say, I mean, she and the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take a point of order. 1142 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Your Honourable Member is certainly misleading the House. The Honourab le Member Mrs. Renee Ming just gave a very eloquent, specific speech …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —that everybo dy in this House—
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —will support in due course.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Honourable Member from constituency 8, continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I listened intently to the Mini ster’s presentation, and he indicated that this is the first step of a very long journey. Mr. Speaker, let me make this clear. This is not the first step. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The PLP started . . . if you read history, if you have been around here as long as I have, this issue has come up before. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, as the former [spokesman] Renee Ming said, in 2003, the PLP Go vernment got rid of the St. George’s municipal tax. That was part of their plan to take more control of the Cor-poration of St. George’ s. Mr. Speaker, if I remember correctly, in 2010 the then …
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute—
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I have not said anything yet.
The Speaker The Speaker Let us hear your point of order. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Let us hear the point of order. [Laughter] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Perhaps the challenge for the Honourable Member is that he has been here a little too long, Mr. Speaker . But, my point of order is that he is misleading the House.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Just by being here. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: The changes in 2003 had to do with the issue of removing double taxation. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: That was overly burdensome to the people of St. George’s . Even the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —be more responsible in his comments.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker , Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I hear the gentleman’s —
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member , continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —comment, but that was all part of an overall plan by the PLP Government at that time to make changes to municipalities. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, we did. Yes, we did.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons He goes forward. In 2010, the PLP Government then went and had Premier Brown have discussions with his caucus about more aggressive Bills —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Were you there? Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: —and what he did was, he came out with a compromise Bill in 2010 which was passed to provide equal voting rights to the residents of Hamilton. Again, Mr. Speaker, these are not the beginnings of first steps. …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And for them to think that this is just beginning is misleading the people of this cou ntry, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, I would like to continue. I have listened intently, again with the Minister saying what he could do, and I would like to repeat what he said. He said, you know, we want to build a mega yacht port, and we want a sustainable man-agement plan for the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Horse stables. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members!
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons We want more waterfront. [Laughter]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair, just speak to me.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —with the mandate and the powers already in place by the existing Minister, it can be done, Mr. Speaker . It can be done. Mr. Speaker, in 2010 . . . sorry , 2015, we had the Municipalities Amendment (No. 2) Act and that Act amended the Municipalities Act 1923 …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, whatever the Minister is trying to do now, he already has that ability with the existing legislation, Mr. Speaker .
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, what is the problem, Mr. Speaker ?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What is the problem?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, that 2015 amendment provides the Minister with robust powers of oversight in respect of the municipalities, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Members.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —you know, I do not deny that the Corporations have had their problems. But I do not see how and why these amendments t hat we are going to put in place now are going to improve the problems that we have because, quite frankly, if we were committed to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh! [Inaudible interject ions]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons They have always wanted the waterfront — POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives ] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Point of order, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Member is imputing improper m otives.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It is very clear what this Bill has to do; it has nothing about taking any waterfront. [Inaudible interjections] 1144 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: He is imputing improper m otives.
The Speaker The Speaker I heard your point of order. Member, just be guided.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, I shall continue. Mr. Speaker, we have the West End Deve lopment Corporation and the Bermuda Land Development Corporation. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How is that working out?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, and the legisl ation that we have in place basically is similar to those and the functioning and governance of those entities. So, again, Mr. Speaker, we need to be cognisant of what the real motivation is, Mr. Speaker . There has been talk about land grabs and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member An erosion?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —and a complete erosion of democracy. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let us talk about democr acy. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You are digging deep.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am just looking for my other note that I had here— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Take your time.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speak er—
The Speaker The Speaker Take your time. Go ahead. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, in 2015, when we did the amendments to the Municipalities Act, and those five issues that I just espoused, I cannot believe that at that time one of the Minister’s said, and I quote, “ 1This action spits in the face of democracy.” And this is a current …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Quote from where?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons “2I see this as legislation that hampers and makes the Corporations powerless. I am talking about both the Corporation of Hamilton and the Corporation of St. George’s .” This was a direct quote from the then Shadow Minister of Municipalities in 2015. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker I’ll hear your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I think if the Honourable Member is going to quote, I think he should at least — as we normally do in this House—supply the source. Let us table some information. Let us table it. …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, he asked permission to read and I allowed him to read. Continue on.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons But the source is from the Hansard, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections] The Spe aker: Continue on. Continue on, Member.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker . So, it is amazing how we go full circle in this place— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —and that is why it is important that when you bring legisla tion to the House, when you prepare for the legislation, look into history because guess what —these issues come around and around and around and again. Under the PLP, the OBA, and now the PLP. And so, again, …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, I would like to continue on.
The Speaker The Speaker Please do.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The other issue that I found most interesting was the issue of these public meet-ings. Mr. Speaker, if this Government was really, really concerned about Government input, Government collaboration—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Did you attend?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I certainly did attend, if you must ask. [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes, I did attend!
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, I’m guiding this w ay. That’s all right. That’s all right. That’s all right, Members.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, he gave me the opportunity to say that I attended another of the public meetings, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And quite frankly, Mr. Speaker, I found it very interesting—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, so you learned something. [ Laughter]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —that within a week of the two meetings that I attended, the legislation was t abled. So, what is the point, Mr. S peaker, of having a public meeting when the legislation is already drafted, approved by Cabinet — [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —and already tabled! [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons That is not dialogue, Mr. Speaker . That is taking Bermudians for fools! [General uproar ] Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: They have no respect for the people of this country, Mr. Speaker, because if they did, Mr. Speaker , they would at least have given them the decency to …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —issues and taken—
The Speaker The Speaker Members!
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —sincerely —
The Speaker The Speaker Members!
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Taken sincerely their contr ibutions. But knowing that their legislation was already crafted when they started to have a public meeting, is just totally, totally, unacceptable. And it flies in the face of proper governance and respect for our community, Mr. Speaker . [ Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, as my co lleague said it was a sham —
The Speaker The Speaker Continue talking to the Chair —
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And this is the type of Go vernment —
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair, talk to the Chair.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —that we have in this cou ntry, Mr. Speaker . [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, Mr. Speaker, I want the community to know that this here is part of a grand scheme, Mr. Speaker. And the communities of St. George’s and Hamilton need not be fooled by the way that this agenda is being progressed. As I said, it started in 2003, continued under …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker, on those comments, I take my seat. Thank you. [ Inaudible interjections and desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . 1146 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other? Oh, Mr. Swan, I almost missed you down in the corner there. Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Everybody buckle up.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Buckle up!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, this is a subject which is near and dear to my heart. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I will use up my time waiting until some Members . . . this is important. This is an important issue. Unlike my colleague from constituency 1, who spoke very, very well, I was not born and raised in St. George’s . [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But I know one thing. There are many of us who have made St. George’s our home, and some of us love St. George’s so much that we have taken on the blue and blue. But, Mr. Speaker, I came to St. George’s ironically to run a quango, prior to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I just want to dispel —
The Speaker The Speaker Members.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I just want to dispel a few things. Mr. Speaker, the downturn for St. George’s started in around 1992/93, because if anyone knows what took place in the 1992/93 time period [they] would have known that a recession came in this coun-try. And it came around the time when the …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, we will not entertain that one t onight. [Laughter] The Spe aker: But it is true.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But it is true. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You know, Mr. Speaker, you know we came in contact with persons like the late David White, editor of The Royal Gazette, who said to me, he said, Kim, never forget. St. George’s must become and remain a working town to survive. And you would say, Well, what would a …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Especially anything PLP that has business associated with it. And if that is the narrative that it is going to take to make someone get back into the political ball game, then Bermuda out there, buckle up. We are going to get plenty of it, and it is coming up …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You are laughing. You are laughing. In Hamilton they pump raw sewage off of Great Bay every day! And that is not a laughing matter! It is affecting our ecosystem. It is affecting our beaches up and d own this Island. Grease balls co ming up—and they will spend millions …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Another Hon. Member: Oh-oh.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And, listen, the best way for failure in business is to be underfunded. And what the Minister . . . and, yes, my h onourable colleague put forward some concerns. She is St. George’s through and through and through, like me. And, yes, we are hoping for the Minister to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, you are going back, way back. I am going back to when I came to St. George’s . But they are not there anymore. And what I am saying is this. Gosling’s is not in St. George’s anymore. They are not in St. George’s anymore, and they were a …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, I want the Minister to take into consideration whether or not we can have a St. George’s specific Act which allows us a little hybrid version rather than select, just drop the Acts. Some folks. But I take the point that we need specific expertise as well. And in …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The days where we can look at having an infrastructure that allows persons in Ferry Reach and Mullet Bay to have potable water, the opportunity to have a line where they can turn on a tap and turn it off, it must be. I remember, Mr. Speaker, I remember vividly …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member GordonPamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, as we have heard the Minister give the intent of this …
The Speaker The Speaker I will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives] Hon. Walter H. Roban: The Honourable Member is clearly imputing improper motive. Using phrases like choking you to death . . . really, Mr. Speaker ? That is really —
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —a little bit too far. Unparli amentary [language] and imputing improper motive on the part of this Government . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Just be guided by your use of language. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am guided.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am gui ded. But, Mr. Speaker, if you do not feed your child, your child starves to death. If you do not feed your family, your family cannot thrive and survive. And St. George’s is a part of the Bermuda family. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —before som ething was able to —
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I think the Honourable Member is unintentionally misleading the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, put y our point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The circumstances by which that hotel deal collapsed was associated with the recession. I think Mr. Bazarian, in all good conscience, was very much hoping that that hotel would have taken off —
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —and the implosion of the hotel was to make way for another hotel to be built—
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: —in a similar area. So, I think, I think the —
The Speaker The Speaker Your point is taken. Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —Honourable Member is unintentionally misleading the House. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker , it is never my intention to mislead the House. But, Mr. Speaker, let me just t alk about the Government and its ability to do things and do things based on economies of …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: There is no plan for a takeover. This is not a takeover. That is not the subject of this Bill. Members are misleading the House and the country by making accusations of takeover. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order, Ministe r. POINT OF ORDER
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Point of order. That Member does not know what she is talking about.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, she does not.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch She does not have a clue. The effluent from the city of Hamilton does join with the efflu ent from the hospital that is properly treated. But it is not treated until it contaminates the effluent from the hospital and all of that s h— is pumped into South Shore …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Crap into the ocean, straight from the city.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, and take in mind what you speak, what the Minister said. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, I stand corrected. I am quite happy . . . because the one thing is I never intend to mislead this House.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I stand corrected because it was my understanding that — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Why don’t you do some homework? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —that that effluent plant . . . and remember I was the Minister respons ible. So …
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah, ah, ah — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —mixed with and was treated by the hospital plant. The Minister is now saying that is not the way it happens. And if that is not the way it happens — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: It cannot …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker , point of order. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —is to —
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER
Lt. Col. Hon. D avid A. Burch Maybe the Member should just leave this one alone, because she does not have a clue what she is talking about. The plant at King Edward VII Memorial Hospital is incapable of taking care of the effluent from the City of Hamilton. That is not what they purchased. Hon. Patricia …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Minister De Silva, it looks like you are on your feet so I am assuming you would like to add a few words. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, happy to have a few words, indeed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Very interesting, Mr. Speaker. One good thing is that we have been affor ded a bit of history lessons tonight from many sides of the floor.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I would certainly like to make a few comments about history, too, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker , the Honourable Member Cole Simons had talked about (I think it was him ), you know, in 2003 when we took away one of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I agree. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is what I am trying to figure out. Why were they formed in the first place? Who benefitted from those incorporations? And who were disenfranchised—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —because of those same corporations. We seem to have forgotten, since we have so much history going on tonight, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, now, Mr. Speaker, in 2008, the Progressive Labour Party’s Throne Speech talked about …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Car shaking, vile comments, threatening my wife and child at the ti me, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes. We saw the ba nners “De Silva- Brown Takeover,” “Land Grab,” “Land Snatching.” All that stuff. Yes, …
The Speaker The Speaker No— POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, the Honour able Member is misleading the House. The Honourable colleague did not say that they tabled the Act and then had a few meetings. The Honourable Member said that he had a few meetings , and within very …
The Speaker The Speaker No, no— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And you will remember, Mr . Speaker, he said, You tabled it? Then you had two meetings subsequent . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, he did!
The Speaker The Speaker No, he, he— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will tell you what —
The Speaker The Speaker He basically, he basically implied that the legislation — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Go ahead, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker —was drafted before the meetings . When the meetings were taking place, the legislation was already drafted. [Inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is what he said.
The Speaker The Speaker He basically implied . . . I cannot r emember the exact words, but he basically implied that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Okay, Hansard . . . oh, here comes Cole now, he parked his horse. He is off his horse. He will clarify it for us. …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, no. You got to say point of order first.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order . [Laughter] POINT OF ORDER
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Your interpretation was abs olutely correct, Mr. Speaker. What I said was when we were having the public meetings, the legislation was drafted and had been approved by Cabinet. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How do you know that?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I said two weeks to three weeks later, it was tabled in this House. So, why would we debate and talk to the community and collaborate to get their input — Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: You made, you made your point now.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —when the legislation—
The Speaker The Speaker You made your point.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —was already approved by Cabinet ?
The Speaker The Speaker You made, you made your point. You made your point. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, Mr. Speaker, I will tell you what. The Minister is right here.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let the record speak for itself. We know when it was tabled, and we know when had the meetings. I tell you what, did we not have a m eeting last week?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Two meetings. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If we had two meetings . . . it was on Tuesday and Thursday, I believe. I was there. So, if the Bill [was] not tabled until afterwards, we should not be debating today, Mr. Speaker. Am I correct?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Absolutely. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I think I am correct. I do not hear no point of orders now. So, Mr. Speaker, I stand by what I said. So, even the Honourable Member who got off his horse and came in here and made th at point of …
The Speaker The Speaker You can continue on. Continue on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, Mr. Speaker, let us . . . because the important thing out of that statement was when he said that we had no respect for the people of this country. That is what he said. He said …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He said we had no respect for the people of the country. But then —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Corporations. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No. How about the airport? You talk about no respect for the people of the cou n-try, the OBA had a Throne Speech in November. Two weeks later, they announced an airport deal. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If you …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. Just continue. 1156 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: With your permission, Mr. Speaker — The S peaker: Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You can always tell when you are hitting a nerve. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Remov ing privilege. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay? Is that not som ething? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And voting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That, he said, was the goal of the Corporation in June in a Cabinet presentation 2010. It just so happens that [those …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take a point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House, becaus e what he said that they are trying to do . . . he specifically just said that the Mayor spoke to voting, and what he is …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, I was waiting for that. Go ahead. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, sir. The Honourable Member will recall that the change in the Municipalities Act that was more recent-ly done under the PLP administration took away double votes from people. So, you could vote …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, you know, the Honourable Member must listen.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister , continue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I never talked about the residents owning, because we know that the residents that live in this town . . . very few own buildings over this side. So, let me go back to where I was, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, I tell you what, Mr. Speaker, I happen to own several trusts myself. And I can tell you this, you ain’t going to tell me that not only the former Member Gibbons, there are many Members of that OBA Government that own …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Act right. Hon. Zane J. S. De Si lva: What do you think he is going to do?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And if I have “Trustee Y” that has control over another building and I say, Now, listen, . . . I mean, if you look ed at some of those members of the corporations in the past, Mr. Speaker, maybe even now, you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That was approved by the PLP — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But check this . . . yes! It was approved by the PLP! In fact, he was one that took advantage of the booming economy that this PLP Government was responsible for between 1998 and 2008! Booming! …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You know what else he done? Where is the entrance to the Corporation down at the docks today? Where is it? Silence. It is outside of Cabinet Office. The leader of the country’s office is right there, and what did they do? They …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: From in front of his buil ding, it only looked . . . look, you play golf sometimes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Right? Look, a long putt away. That is how close it is. 1158 13 March …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you! Roped you right in, didn’t I? Pulled him right in like a jigger right in his mouth. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Pulled him right out, Mr. Speaker . I did not even need a jigger. One hook …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But they done it here and that is one of the reasons why that Corporation will be changed tonight. Because you know what? One of the reasons . . . they asked why, why are we changing things, why? Because we need a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They are looking for a marionette. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker . . . Well, no. You know about marionettes. Julian Hall got you straight that night, didn’t he? Or was i t Derrick Burgess? Right? So . . . but the thing is, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One minute. Another Hon. Member: Two minutes.
The Speaker The Speaker About 10 minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Ten minutes, okay. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh mercy! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, moved the gate. Another Hon. Member: Yes, we mo ved the gate. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is it. Oh, they moved the gate, all right. And guess what? Guess who paid for that movement of the gate, Mr. Speaker, and probably added a couple of million …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Supermart. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Supermart, on the other side, paid millions of dollars, millions of dollars for a pumping station to move it from A to B and put all that stuff out in the water. Instead of building a sewage plant! Derrick Burgess, the Honourable Member …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If you go to Dockyard, where the dump used to be out there, what is that —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Sally Port. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sally Port —where I used to go with half a load of trash and come back with a full load every Saturday , Mr. Speaker , when you talk about making do. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And the Honoura …
The Speaker The Speaker We used to go up by one push bike, and come back three. That’s right . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What? I had many a push. And how about the go- carts we used to make out of the wheels we used to find.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, that is right. Somerset boys did that one. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Made out of wood and put a little string on the front; might come off Scaur Hill moving. Anyway, I digress. But, Mr. Speaker, if you go out there now, there is a first -class, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It is a good one, too. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And even the Honourable Member Susan Jackson said it is a good one. Well . . . See? This is why. This is why Ho nourable Member s Jackso n and Cannonier and Members on this side, right, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Visionaries! And if you think that the sewage plant up at Dockyard is a good example, you just wait till you see what we do. And Colonel Burch is another visionary. He has got some plans for sewage in this country. [Inaudible interjections …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Ooh! 1160 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, look. They have to try to find a way, and his quote . . . and I . . . see, when I talk about quotes, Mr. Speaker, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Nalton Brangman. Look, “4Do we need to see the first one collapse in the water before someone s ays Oops.”
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Whoa! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And, look, the Honourable Member that is still in this House (well, he is not here right in his seat), Sylvan Richards. Look, 5“I knew it was a disaster [in the making] . . . nothing good will come of this” …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, and look at the pi cture, Mr. Speaker, look. They have drawn a picture of Grand Atlantic —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Falling into the sea. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —about one inch. You know, the Honourable Member , the Premier at the time, or Premier to be . . . this is your ad! And he is looking at it like that cannot be right. We thought the same …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister , let me help you. Talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Well, Mr. Speaker, I believe in showing evidence. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, look. 3 Bernews 8 April 2014 4 Ibid. 5 Ibid. …
The Speaker The Speaker A couple of minutes left. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A couple of minutes left. But look at that. Two inches from the edge and the Honourable Member says, Before you fi x sewage you better fix Grand Atlantic. Well, guess what — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Who said …
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to . . . talk to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Honourable Member s should not drink when they come to the House—
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: They got short memories.
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, let me give you some other reasons why we need to do what we are doing. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, we are going to do that. Mr. Speaker, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: There are bathrooms across the street, right on the docks. Bathrooms. Beautiful place to put bathrooms, i n’it? On Front Street. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, at least the ones on Front Street work, I think. [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And that is acceptable! Another Hon. Member: Unbelievable! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And, Mr. Speaker, the $18 million that t he Honourable Member Grant Gibbons and the former Minister Fahy said down there, Don’t you guys worry about it. We’ve got it covered. We’re businessmen. We know what …
An Hon Member An Hon Member Aah! Another Hon. Member: There you go. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: When was the last time he said, Well, you know, that owner who owns most of those buildings, you know what we should do . . . and I will say it on the floor …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: When they saw this coming, they formed a secret trust, transferred all the land into it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is correct. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: When we . . . hey, when we got in, what did we have to do? We had to take it back out of that trust.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How much of the taxpa yers’ money, did they waste during that period? Banners all over the city. Newspaper ads —full newspaper ads at the time, Mr. Speaker —were between $2,500 to $3,500 per page. Every day! Thousands . . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And you wonder why we are going to take over? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, we are going to turn it into a quango. I like to say “take over.” [Inaudible interjections] 1162 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report …
The Speaker The Speaker Getting close to it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: This hogwash — hogwash! —about a land grab. The Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin had the audacity to talk about this is like the land grab down at Tucker’s Town. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Are you …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, Members. Just need one person talking. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Who does this land belong to?
The Speaker The Speaker Just one person. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: What? So the land belongs to the Government , really. The Corporation belongs to the Government , so we are going to take our own land.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow. Another Hon. Member: Ridiculous. Hon. Z ane J. S. De Silva: Hogwash!
The Speaker The Speaker Thirty seconds. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Hogwash. And, Mr. Speaker, let me say this. When they talk about the . . . what did that Honourable Member say? Access to capital on cash , people were licking their chops to get down Front Street. I will tell you …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —of this country.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Opposition — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah, ah! Members! [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Opposition Whip. The Opposition Whip—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Drum roll.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to speak?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good evening, Mr. Speaker . Yes, I would like to speak.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, let us get started.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I think we have established quite a bit of foundation here, so I am just going to pivot a little bit because my, . . . the first words that came out of the Deputy Premier and the Minister was the vision . And I just want to talk about …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Good.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Absolutely get the vision. My issue is that we are going to have to find the money in order to do all of that. And, clearly, we know —we all know —that since we have very little money in the government ’s coffer, we do know that the Corporation of …
The Speaker The Speaker No, you do not.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And you know, I think we do. And one of the reasons why I think we do, and we have discussed this today, is because, you know, maybe the Corporation of Hamilton is, I am going to say, quite conservative in their spending, which is why there may not be …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And the reason they are ha ving that is because they are holding on to the coffers. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Right? So, we know — [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So, the Corporation of Hami lton, clearly, has the assets available to make many of these dreams come true. The issue is, for me, and the real challenge is Where, and how, are we going to fi nd the leadership? Where, and how, are we going to find the elements …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Have some faith in him . . . and the rest of the team. 1164 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Now, my other concern is, when we look at things like a smart city, and we talk about city living and residences, I probably . . . I do need to get a little bit more information about that. I need to see who those people are that are going …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You need to see that?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I need to know that we are going to have the demand of the population that even wants to live in the city, and whether there are enough of them to actually create an economic stream for the city. So, I certainly would like to see some real comprehensive feasibility …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It already is a UNESCO site. Another Hon. Member: It is a UNESCO site.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I mean a living, breathing, earning- lots-of-money, tourists -are-coming -just-to-bethere UNESCO site, then— [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Then, then. I just do not want us, if we do away with the idea . . . and when I am talking municipali ties, I am not getting into individuals and the rest of it. I am just looking at the hierarchy of how the structure is — [Inaudible …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Then the independence, the uniqueness and the charm of a St. George’s and the uniqueness and the charm and the innovativeness of— [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —Hamilton . . . I do not want them to get lost. I do not want Bermuda to become somewhat vanilla because we have sort of blended— [Inaudible interjections] Ms. Susan E. Jackson: —we blended the boundaries, and it has become just all one residential area. So, I guess, you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Code words. Anot her Hon. Member: Yes, it is.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I guess, you know, my final piece and my final question (and I may bring this up in Committee) is, you know, the question of who— [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Who would want to be, and who would be the chosen, mayors? Would they be mayors that are living in, or are from, the municipal ities? Would we be able to maintain that parochial - ness of each of the municipalities versus having a generic council? So, with that, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other? [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member from [constituency] 36 are you on your feet to speak? Hon. Michae l J. Scott: I am, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable Member Mr. Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, so we are engaged in the Muni cipalities Reform Bill. It has as its purpose and in its Explanator y Memorandum [that] this Bill is to abolish municipal elections, provide …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: It was low -pulsed, low -toned, and unconvincing. An Hon. Memb er: Lethargic! Hon. Michael J. Scott: And lethargic. It was. So, the two parties are railing. I thought this was meant to be a big bust -up debate, with all of the heat that …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: —and the worry on the part of my colleagues, the Members for [constituencies] 1 and 2. It concerned them. But I am grateful for the prism provided by Mrs. Ming, and I am grateful for the prism provided by Kim Swan. The message was change …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is the “Queen’s Bottom.” [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael J. Scott: All the waters and wharfs of the shores. With your permission, Mr. Speaker, in Hami lton Harbour out to Granaway Deep, the Little Sound, the Great Sound, Grassy Bay, North Side and as far as an imaginary straight line …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Again. Another Hon. Member: And why do you think that is? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Why do you think that is? B ecause his only model . . . listen, an 1815 model has now had its purpose, achieved its function. After all, the Government of the day gave 155 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: It gave the ports . . . and I do not want to say yet “gave,” because it was set aside. I am still trying to figure out the real legality. I heard Mr. De Silva over there, the Minister , say that it has …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right. Hon. Michael J. Scott: It began as Crown lands. That is the history. And all that is left today . . . it began as Crown lands in 1815, so that there could be estab-lished a city. And I began to say about the controversy, Honourable Member …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Just a minute. Hon. Michael J. Scott : More feckless. You have been carrying water —
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. Members, Members! Members, be guided in your comments. If the comments cannot be supported, please do not use them. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Those arguments are fec kless. They are not the arguments of the people that I have been watching on the opposite side for all …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair, speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael J. Scott : I am trying to.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Members! Hon. Michael J. Scott: So, evidence has been already given, though, there has already been testim ony in this House of the success that takes place at King’s Wharf and Heritage Wharf with the feet that come in by the thousands by the cruise liners. More needs …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? Mr. Pearman, from constituency . . .
Mr. Scott Pearman Twenty -two, Mr. Speaker. Twenty-two.
The Speaker The Speaker [Constituency] 22. You have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker —
Mr. Scott Pearman —the opening words of this Bill: “WHEREAS it is expedient to abolish municipal ele ctions . . .” This legislation is stripping the democratic rights of Bermudians. What is more, what is more, the Government’s actions — [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Members.
Mr. Scott Pearman —are swimming against the tide of global progress. And, why do I say that? I say that because we live in a world where democracy is cherished, and where democracy should be cherished, because we live in a world where the people— yes, the people —rightly require a more direct …
The Speaker The Speaker Members.
Mr. Scott Pearman Expediency, indeed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Pearman. Does any other Member wish to speak?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, you hav e the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I really have not heard so much dribble in this House before from the other side. But, let me start with an apology, Mr. Speaker. I have to make an apology to the entire country, act ually. The Spea ker: Yes?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And I have no hesit ation in doing so, for, really, misleading them.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch You will know, Mr. Speaker, that I participated in two public meetings, one in St. George and one in Hamilton on this very subject. And at the meeting in Hamilton, I indicated that this Government had won 51 per cent of the vote. That, in fact, is incorrect, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Give them the correct number.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch It was 58.89 per cent of the vote. [Inaudible interjections and desk thumping]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, it was! Yes, it was!
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And, so, without hes itation or equivocation, I apologise for misleading the people of this country, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, the last speaker is the last person who should stand up and talk about democracy in this country. Okay? [He] is the poster child —
The Speaker The Speaker Well, well, let’s, let’s, let’s be nice.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch —for being born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Okay? And he is the epit ome, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Let’s be nice, let’s be nice, let’s be nice, let’s be nice. Let’s be nice. Be nice. Be nice. [Inaudible interjections] Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: You are a pathetic old woman, be quiet. Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Members!
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, the pro blem in Hamilton is this “sense of entitlement,” and that last speaker is the epitome of entitlement in this country, Mr. Speaker. I [saw] ads in the paper, Save our city. Save our city from [whom]? And who is “our city?” This city belongs to all …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I know that the whole issue has to do with the messenger, and not the message. I know that, Mr. Speaker. And it is pathetic that some of those people the Honourable Member referred to have been carrying other people’s water their entire adult lives. And, so, I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say it isn’t so. [Inaudible interjections ]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch You want me to repeat it? You do not hear me being point -of-ordered, do you? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, I do not.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Suggested by the ot her side, Mr. Speaker. The only difference, Mr. Speaker, is [that] we actually have the courage to follow through.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Now, I am going to give them some more history, Mr. Speaker, on one of their former Ministers of the Government. Half of them probably will not know who I am talking about. But I am talking about the late Sir John Plowman, who died in 2002, the 20 th …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch There is a whole lot of whispering, but no point of order, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, now let’s talk about infrastructure. And, in the case of the Town of St. George— [Inaudible interjections ]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I will wait, Mr. Spea ker. In the case of t he Town of St. George, I think the Honourable Member from constituency 1 indicated and implied that a lot of the work that is done in the Town of St. George is provided for by the Government of Bermuda.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch : And without any negative feelings, or what have you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, the Town and the parish of St. George, a year ago, or a year and a half ago now, I think, were going to be …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am going stray out of my laying still, Mr. Speaker , about the fact that we don’t have no money. And I am going to repeat what I said at the public meeting, which is: I am certain that every Member of this House—every Member of this House— has …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch It will not be $3 million, I can assure you of that, Mr. Speaker, because— [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker What, you are going to pay that one off befor e you go?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch —I am going to spend it! I am going to spend it before I leave, Mr. Speaker. I am going to [give] notice.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Are you going up or down?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am going up! [Laughter and Inaudible interjections ]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch A lot of my friends are going down to the barbecue, but I am going up, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And so, Mr. Speaker, it isn’t a question of not having money. And I am surprised at the complaints that we don’t have any money when I remember five years ago there were complaints that we had $1.1 billion worth of debt and that is what the PLP left for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And that you did!
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And that I did. The first I did, though, Mr. Speaker, was I understood the rules. I lost. It does not matter if you lose by one vote— you lose. So, I said to the people of [constituency] 27, Oh, no, no, no! We cannot just pick up where we …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, force people to park in our parking lot, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am going to end on this, and I am quoting a whole lot of OBA and UPB people t onight. I did it in relation to Sir John Plowman, and now I am going to quote …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I see nobody . . . Oh, Opposition Leader? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Actually, I have enjoyed this debate on this particular issue. It has been quite vibrant, and it has certainly been colourful. And so, I have appreciated most of what …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member All downhill. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, yes, all downhill. And so, coming from St. David’s, however, Mr. Speaker, I used to always say, I’ll never live in St. George’s! There was a serious rivalry between St. George’s and St. David’s. And a lot of people are not aware, but …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: However, as the new generations came along— [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker They knew were good cricket was. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —we started integrating a bit better and playing with one another a bit better, unlike my father who used to go over and raid some of the gardens in St. George’s and row away from the police because they were …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Watch that space. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We are going to watch that space. The thing is, I am going to watch St. Georgians watch that space. That is what I am going to do. I ain’t going to wat ch you; I am going to watch St. Georgians watch …
The Speaker The Speaker Hey, hey, hey. Gentlemen, talk to me. Talk here. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: That’s right. That’s the one that is most important, the person that was there. And you had representatives there, and no one said a word. Not one word! [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Not one …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Not one of them said a word.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, have your conversation come this way. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No one spoke up; they just sat there. So, if we are going to have some i nterpol ations, I recall town hall meeting after town hall meeting after town hall meeting, one after the other, after the other, …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: I think we have heard enough of the lies coming from that side.
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah, watc h the language, watch the language. [General uproar] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Point of order, Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah, ah, ah — Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —this is the second meeting that he has used that word. He used last time.
The Speaker The Speaker Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will withdraw —
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, Premier, Premier— Hon. E. David Burt: —I apologise.
The Speaker The Speaker I know you know how to choose your words better than that. Hon. E. David Bur t: I withdraw, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is clearly misleading the House.
The Speaker The Speaker That is more acceptable. Hon. E. David Burt: And I know that he has a problem with his recollection because you remember his recollection during Jetgate. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. E. David Burt: The Bill, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, let’s be very …
The Speaker The Speaker Direct your conversation here. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh yeah, we’re going to get to it! You laugh. You’re laughing because you know what was going on. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So, Mr. Speaker, but yet they get down there and say, who, w e’re going to make this beach private. So here the OBA is, We ’re taking a beach. What do they do? They come and take a whole city! [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I can’t believe you said that. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Listen, they know who I am—
The Speaker The Speaker Just talk to the Chair. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I heard you up there tal king those words “those people” tonight.
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: You said it. [Gavel] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: You’ll see it in Hansard. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: You don’t need to worry about my blackness, brother. You don’t need to worry about my blackness. What you need …
The Speaker The Speaker If you start addressing your comments to other people, you are going to get caught up. A ddress them to me. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I’m not caught up. I was speaking truth to them, that’s for sure. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter] [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Leader of the Opposition is misleading the House. The language on the St. George’s Beach is different. We took out “reasonable access.” So it is not the same.
The Speaker The Speaker I am going to ask that you move on from that matter until a later date when evidence can be provided to show what is actually there if it is that strong of a concern. But this is not the time to do it, because you do not have the …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh good; here we go.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The Honourable Member is imputing improper motives on myself. And I take great exception to that. I can unequivocally say that my colleague and I advocate vociferously on behalf of Bermuda House of Assembly St. Geor ge’s behind the scenes. And, you know what? You don’t have to bark loud …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am not sure . . . that’s what I am saying. I am not sure what the point of order was. It was not a point of clarification; it was not a point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker They are supporting your point. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I just want to get him back down there running that golf course, t hat’s all. You know? It would be nice having him back down there running that golf course. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Keep talking. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And just as a point of clar ification, I am looking at the legislation here, the Park Hyatt [(St. George’s)] Resort ] Act [2008] . It is there, Mr. Speaker. I do not know what they are talking about. It is right here, 6“the …
The Speaker The Speaker Just keep directing your comments this way. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, at the end of the day, Mr. Speaker, I am for change. I am for how we can move this thing forward. But I believe that the best way, based on when it was …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Point of information,
Mr. Speaker. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, sure. I’ll take it. POINT OF INFORMATION
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch That is the plan and the plant does not need to be upgraded. It can accommodate all of the sewage from St. George’s. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I said “upgrading,” I was speaking mostly to the issues that they were having with the piping that is on the BLDC side that needed to be u pgraded. And I do not think they have completed all of that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Premier, would you like to say a few remarks at this point? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, my remarks will be incredibly brief this evening.
The Speaker The Speaker I appreciate hearing that. Hon. E. David Burt: Because if there is one thing that is a fact on this Bill, and I think I said it earlier, is that the House shall be collectively . . . sorry, that the Cabinet shall be collectively responsible for decisions made. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. I am looking at the 2015 [Act] right here in front of me; it has the exact same words. So . . . Hon. Derrick V. B urgess, Sr.: Point of order, …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, were you finished? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait. Are you going to address it, or . . . Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am very happy to read what is in front of me. The repealed Act, called the St. George’s Resort Act 2015 , says, and I quote: ‘‘7the public shall have, free …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The Honourable Member, as he spoke, spoke of the comments that were made during the run-up to the elections in terms of the scaremongering with r espect to the beach. That was, in fact, the St. George’s Resort …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —of 2015 that the Honourable Member just spoke abou t a 2018 repeal. We could not have been speaking . . . he could not have been speaking about a repeal Act to indicate that the Member was referring to St. George’s Resort during …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Mem ber wish to speak? No other Members? Minister, would you like to move us to Committee? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. My, it has been an interesting debate. But I am not going to keep us too much with …
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy. House in Committee at 12:32 am [14 March 2018] [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL MUNICIPALITIES REFORM ACT 2019
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of a Bill entitled the Municipalities Reform Act 2019 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to state now that I am tabling an amendment for clause …
The Chairman Chairman Hang on a second— Hon. Wal ter H. Roban: —and with your permission, it will be handed out, Mr. Chairman, by the—
The Chairman Chairman You are doing the — Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am going to do everything. I am just letting you know I have it.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I am going to move clauses 1 through 10.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If I can do that with the permission of the Committee.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Mr. Chairman, this Bill would abolish munic ipal elections, provide for the appointment of Members of the Corporations, and make consequential amend-ments to the Municipalities Act 1923 (“the principal Act”). It would also make certain directions given by the Minister to a Corporation subject …
The Chairman Chairman Order! [Laughter and inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Continue, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There will be no municipal elections. Clause 4 amends section 7 of the principal Act. Subsections (4)(b) and (8) are amended to delete references to being elected and to …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers on clauses 1 through 10? There appear to be none. Minister, will you move those? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I wish to move clauses 1 through 10 as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 10 be approved as printed. Are there any objections to that?
The Chairman Chairman There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 10 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I wish to now move the amendment.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. AMENDMENT TO FOURTH SCHEDULE INSERTED BY CLAUSE 11 Hon. Walter H. Roban: I would like to move the following motion to amend the Fourth Schedule inserted by clause 11. That the Municipalities Reform Bi ll 2019 be amended as follows: Amends the Fourth Schedule inserted by clause 11. 1182 …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor, Mrs. Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a question for the Minister, just for clarity. The Minister has the right to appoint based on the revision. But …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. Let’s deal with the amendment first. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, [clause 11].
The Chairman Chairman The amendments? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes the amendments. Clause 11. The criteria is there. But the question I have is, is there . . . how does an individual that you may not know indicate to you that they may be interested? So the Minister basically has the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Well, there will be nobody flying in from Mars, . . . I understand; I am just being clear. The selection committee its elf will set the term of what they want the criteria for selection to be. The pool of people selected will be …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe I did not make my question clear. What I am trying to determine is . . . I recognise what the criteria is. If an individual is interested, can that individual approach, or are they precluded …
The Chairman Chairman You want to say “selection of the Councillors”? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, in the Gazette. Not the “Committee”; it should be “Councillors.” Hon. Walter H. Roban: I hope that is clear to ever yone.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers to the amendment? You want to m ove the amendment? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I wish to move clause 11 as amended.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 11 be approved as amended. Any objection to that? No objection. It is approved. [Motion carried: Clause 11 passed as amended.] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, clause 12 r evokes the Municipalities (Election) Order 2015. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I would like …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 12 be approved as printed. Any objection to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clause 12 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman You want to move . . . Hon. Walter H. Roban: I wish to move that the pr eamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved as printed. Any objection to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. The Chairman: It has been moved that the Bill be reported …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman All right, names. We will have names. Okay, two minutes, and then we will have the roll call. [Pause for the ringing of the bell]
The Chairman Chairman Just to let you know, I made a booboo, but we have made the ruling and we will have the [Division] because I should have called . . . I could have done a voice over, but the decision is made, we are going to do the vote. Okay? The …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Hon. Kim N. Wilson Absent 5 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Hon. Michael H. Dunkley Hon. Trevor G. Moniz
Ms. Leah K. Scott The Chairman It was really a tight one there, but the Ayes have it, 22 to 7. The motion stands. 1184 13 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Desk thumping] [Motion carried by majority on division: The Municipal ities Reform Act 2019 was considered by a Committee of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Some Hon. M embers: Good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker I did not wish to be saying that, but it is good morning. Is there any objection to the [Report] of the Municipalities Reform Act 2019 as amended?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nope.
The Speaker The Speaker None. So moved. I believe that br ings us to the end of the items to be done on the Order Paper this morning. So, Mi nister, Deputy Premier, would you like to do your third reading? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, absolutely. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. Continue on. BILL THIRD READING MUNICIPALITIES REFORM ACT 2019 Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move that the Bill now be read a third time by its title only and passed. The Speaker: It has been moved and passed. [Motion carried: The Municipalities Reform Act 2019 was read …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Friday, 15 [March] at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member — You all jumped from your seats. I was going to ask if any Member w ished to speak to it, and you all jumped up. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, have yourselves a good night. See you on Friday morning at ten o’clock !
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No, no, no, no!
The Speaker The Speaker We’re going home. [Gavel] [At 12:57 am (Thursday, 14 March 2019), the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 15 March 2019]
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