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House of Assembly Session 2018/2019 487 speeches

March 11, 2019

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The Parliament continued its budget debate, focusing entirely on the Ministry of Health's proposed spending of over $11 million for 2019/20. Health Minister Kim Wilson highlighted serious staffing shortages across the ministry, with 89 vacant positions out of 398 total posts - a 22% vacancy rate inherited from the previous government. The Premier announced plans to create a standardized system for hiring government consultants and advisors, including proper pay scales and more transparency. Members also paid respects to a Bermuda resident who lost his wife and three children in the Ethiopian Airlines crash.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 11, 2019
Session 2018/2019
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Speakers 21
Speeches 487

Key Topics

Budget debate for the Ministry of Health for 2019/20New framework for government consultants and advisorsCommonwealth Day recognitionCondolences for Ethiopian Airlines crash victimsInternational Women's Day celebrations

Bills & Motions

Exempted Partnerships Amendment Act 2019 - first reading introduced
Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2019 - first reading introduced
Government Fees Amendment Regulations 2019 - tabled by Finance Minister
Budget debate continued for Ministry of Health (ongoing, no votes yet)

Notable Moments

Minister Wilson criticized the previous government's hiring freezes, saying they "crippled many parts of public health provision" and caused real harm to vulnerable people
The Premier revealed that four current ministers already have advisors in place, graded at PS36 level
Members recognized students from Northlands Primary visiting Parliament and celebrated various community achievements

Debate Transcript

487 speeches from 21 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Deferred ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 8 th of March have been deferred. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING COMMONWEALTH DAY MESSAGE “THE CO NNECTED COMMONWEALTH”
The Speaker The Speaker Members, today is Commonwealth Day. And the traditional Commonwealth Day message will be circulated to you. The topic for this year is The Connected Commonwealth . But you will receive your message via circulation of other communications. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Finance, do you want to present your paper now? Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the following: Government Fees Amendment Regulations …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS The S peaker: There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Members, although the Order Paper does not indicate it, and we have these quick turnovers with [our] sitting every other day for Budget [ Debate] , the Premier does ha ve a Statement that he would like to give this morning, and it is being circulated to you at …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS —A REVISED CONSTR UCT Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the use of subject matter experts , or political advisers , in support of a government’s policy aims and objectives is an established and accepted use of professional services in Bermuda and elsewhere. From …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. The Clerk: I will take Premier’s Questions off of the Order Paper.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, normal questions. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Question Period. The first is the written [answer] which was deferred from last week. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: The Sergeant -at-Arms has the answer.
The Speaker The Speaker The Sergeant -at-Arms has the answer distributed to the Member. Okay. QUESTION: CONSULTANTS /ADVISORS PAID FOR BY GOVERNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Will the Honour able Premier please inf orm this Honourable House which Government Ministers have had advisers since 18th July 2017 as per section 9.1 of the 2015 …
The Speaker The Speaker And the Opposition Leader has indicated that he would like to put a question to you in refer-ence to your Statement this morning.
Sir. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: CONSULTANTS/ADVISORS PAID FOR BY GOVERNMENT Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Good morning, colleagues. Yes, I am just curious. The Premier says that he is looking to start the process of building this c apacity with in ministries by hiring advisors as permitted by the Ministerial Code. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I do believe that the written question may provide the answer to that. I believe that there are four Ministers who have that in place, the Ministry of Education— Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Is it part of the written answer? Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or new question? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Honourable Member , SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. In relation to that, then, I am just seeing now some of the answers, just getting them. My apologies. I did not have it in front of me. But do we have an idea then, based on these answers as …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or a new question? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am good. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Would anyone else want to as k a supplementary? No supplementary? Okay. That brings us to a close of questions. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak to that? We recognise the Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning on a very sad note. And I would ask that this Honourable House send a letter of condolences to a Bermuda resident …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Would any further Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I am sure all Members want to be associated. And I would like to turn, Mr. Speak-er, just …
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Renee Ming I would like to take this moment t o congratulate the Bermuda Industrial Union. They held their annual International Women’s Day Tea on Saturday. And the theme for this year, I think you heard me say it already, was #balanceforbetter . And I just want to commend them for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the H onourable Member Tyrrell. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, all. Mr. Speaker, in line with the Honourable Member , from constituency 10 I think it is, who congratulated Bermudian athl etes, I would like to have congratulations sent to the Bermuda Rugby Team, who just recently participated in the Rugby America’s North …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? Bermuda House of Assembly We recognise the Honourable Member Furbert, from constituency 4. Honourable Member.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert I also would like to recognise the BPSU [Bermuda Public Services Union], who also celebrated International Women’s Day on Friday. They had a breakfast in the morning, as well as a talk show, the Tea Talk Show, where they highlighted many great women in our community, including Ms. Tina Evans, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish t o speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Swan from St. George’s. Honourable Member. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Mr. Speaker, I would like a suitable acknowledgement and letter sent to two ladies who have made Bermuda part of their home annually. Their names are Joy Bonhurst, a golf pr ofessional from Maryland; and Baily [Johnson ] Scheurer, a business executive from …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker Before we move off of condolences and congratulations, let me just take this moment to recognise the young students who are in the Gallery this morning. We have the students of P4 class from Nort hlands, under the guidance of their teachers, Ms. Hill, Ms. Matthew , and Ms. Hollis …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MAT TERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS 934 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: There are two Government Bills that are being introduced this morning. The Junior Minister of Finance, are you going to do them on behalf of the Minister? FIRST …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which, according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, requires the Governor’s recommendation, so that it may be placed on the O rder Paper for the next day of meeting: the Customs …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Again, for our listening public, we are here to continue the Budget Debate on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2019/20. Today, the Ministry that is being debated is the Mini stry of Health. And, in fact, they have the entir e day. So, the whole eight …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? No objections. We will now move into Committee. And we will have the respective chai rman come and take their position at this point. Honourable Member Ming, good morning. House in Committee at 10: 26 am [Mrs. Renee Ming, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Honourable Members. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expend iture for the year [ 2019/20] . The following heads will be debated: Heads 21, 22, 24, 55 and 91. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I will just take a minute to just remind the listening audience that we are in Commi ttee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year [2019/20]. And we are currently doing the Ministry of Health, under Head 21. Hon. Kim N. …
The Chairman Chairman So, a point of information with r egards to that? Is that what you were asking, just so that the heads are clearly read out? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, the Member from constit uency 23 has just asked if you could let her know where you are when you are reading in reference to the head and, I guess, the department. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I am reading about cost centre 32040—
The Chairman Chairman Basically, she wanted you to slow down a little. Hon. Kim N . Wilson: Cost centre 32040 at page B - 173, for Sexual and Reproductive Health. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: You are welcome. The Department of Health provides the Communicable Disease Clinic …
The Chairman Chairman Member from [constituency] 23, do you have a question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Yes. We were just talking about Vector Control. And now I am hearing about child care. So, I am just wondering if the Minister can go back and highlight what head …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, can you clarify, please? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Child Care Standards comes under the Department of Environmental Health. It is not Vector Control. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So, you were just talking about Vector Control. Okay. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: It comes under the Department of Health. …
The Chairman Chairman So, the Minister will get that information to you. Thank you, Minister. Proceed. Hon. Kim N . Wilson: The stakeholders involved in the government agencies to parents and child care providers are now clear on what is expected. And a renewal of the oversight systems for Bermuda’s child care settings …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin : Sorry. It rose from 2,007 to 277. Was that 207? You said 2,007. I just want to make sure that I get the numbers right.
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: In pure numbers, mental health inpatient numbers rose from 207 in 2016/17, to 277 in 2017 /18, representing a 35 per cent increase. Fiscal year 2018/19 also saw the culmination of work between BHB, the Ministry of Health, and the Ministry of National Security to …
The Chairman Chairman Member, do you have a point of clar ification? Hon. Patri cia J. Gordon -Pamplin: A point of clarif ication requested, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Madam Chai rman, the Honourable Minister indicated that Patient - Centred Medical Home residents increased from 167 last year, and then she went up to 2,013 in the current year. I am just not sure if we are just getting mixed …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, the Honourable Member is asking for the clarification. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. I got the question. Thank you. No, it is not a home. I mean, it is the proc edure, the programme at the hospital. And the numbers have increased from 167 last year to 2,013 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, there is a point of clarific ation on the floor with regard to the figures that you read on page B -187. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, I will also get that clarification whilst we break for lunch. I will get that clarification. It seems to be $12 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is $200,000 off. [Pause] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The total current expenditure is fifty-one thousand, six -hundred and eighty -three do llars, and eight -hundred and eighty -nine c ents [sic]. [Pause] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I will clarify that position after lunch.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The allocation of funds will co ntinue to maintain grants, Financial Assistance pr ogramme support, and the child da y care scheme during the fiscal period. There is no capital project planned for the year 2019/20. Manpower Hon. Kim N. Wilson: With respect …
The Chairman Chairman Point of clarification? Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do have a point of clarification. Is there an errata page for Head 55, Financial Assistance? Because the numbers that the Minister is speak ing of in her brief bear no relationship to what is in the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, the numbers on page B -187, and I was following as well. The number that you read did not correspond with what is actually in the book in front of us. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Would you like a minute to confer? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thanks. [Pause] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay. Madam Chairman, the first issue that was rai sed by the Honourable Member concerning the expenditure, the total current expend iture. That is . . . (just a moment). Just a …
The Chairman Chairman Just for the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in Committee of Supp ly for fu rther consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year [2019/20]. And we are on Head 55, Financial Assistance. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just for a …
The Chairman Chairman Member, do you have something that you wish to say? Thank you. Minister, proceed. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. That is post the Teen Haven grant in the sum of $200,000 being transferred to the Department of Child and Family Services. I was at page B -187. …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you have that question? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I do, and I will provide that i nformation from the technical officers.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We will proceed. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The 2019/20 budget estimates are listed at two business units at page B -187, 65050, Grants and Administration; and 65080 . . . and that would include the $200,000 that we just spoke about. So, 65050, these funds are used to …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I ask whether any Member would like to speak? I see that the Member from constituency 23 is on her feet. She is an eager beaver today. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I am going to open my r emarks, …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Madam, Member who is speaking at this time. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman We are currently doing the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman And I ask that you stick t o considering Standing Orders 19 and 32 when you are speaking at this time. Thank you very much. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Absolutely. Madam Chairman, what I am speaking to is the presentation that the Minister gave, which is an overview of …
The Chairman Chairman Member, which head are you referring to? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am referring to the Ministry of Health, page B -166, in reference to the Minister’s comment in her brief about the deficiencies in the numbers of employees that we have. What I want to point out is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. We are now at 12:30. And I just want be mindful to Members, during the Budget Debate, to please be guided by Standing Orders 19 and 32 as we proceed with this today, and every day. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Madam Chairman. I move that …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection to rising and returning at 2:00 pm? There is none. [ Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm [ Ms. Leah K. Scott, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2019/20 MINISTRY OF HEAL TH [ Continuation …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Members. We are now resuming in Committee of Supply, and the Honourable Shadow Minister of Health from constituency 23 has the floor. Ho n. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, just for confirmation and to know how we are going to proceed, prior to …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, at page B- 187 the information which is contained in the Budget Book is acc urate. The information that . . . so the information b efore Honourable Member s is correct. What I read from my brief was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I will address those particular items because it was not typo, I do not believe, because typo is one or two transpositions, this was not typo, They were just wrong numbers. But let me go back to the Ministry of …
The Chairman Chairman I am sorry, Honourable Member . What page are you on, please, again? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: [Page] B -167—
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —of the Budget Book.
The Chairman Chairman Thank yo u. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And this is under programme 2102 and business unit 31040 in which there is $444,000 estimated for epidemiology and surveillance. I think the Minister, in her brief, indicated the classification of expenditure that comes under that. But I wonder if the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I do not know whether the Honourable Shadow Minister will yie ld, I do have an explanation for all of the variances with respect to every post. Because this is like the fourth one that has been added and I think, …
The Chairman Chairman So the increase is in anticipation of those posts being filled at some point and when they are not filled, then the reduction is a reflection of not having them filled. Hon. Patri cia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Thank you, I accept the explanation and it certainly helps because there …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Member. That is $3,912,000 not $3,9 10,000 if I am looking on page— Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, $3,912,000.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And it is an i ncrease of $241,000. So with a $241,000 increase in salaries . . . and I note on page B -169 there are go ing to be two additional staff. And I am just wondering . . . I just …
The Chairman Chairman Wow. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I wonder if the Minister could give us some indication generally as to what the subject of that PATI request was that was [requiring] such intense resources in order to be able to respond to it. I think the Minister indicated in her brief, …
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am sorry, [page] B-174, programme 2202, and cost centres 32150, 32155, and 32160. Actually, you know, Madam Chai rman , the differential there is only $4,000. And in the overall 962 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda …
The Chairman Chairman CBD? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do not know, whate ver . . . THC . . . THC, sorry . . . TCP is an a ntiseptic that we used to use with a horrible smell for gargling when you had a sore throat as a child, so …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Member, 32060. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: [In] 32060 we had a difference. We had 25 original and now 19. But that is a reduction of 6. So a reduction of 6 would not account for an increase of $652,000 in the salaries cost analyses. So maybe we can …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm, 30 actual. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That is not acceptable. That is not acceptable. Twenty is not acceptable. And I do not care . . . the Honourable Member says we budgeted for 24.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: If we budgeted for two, that was two too many! [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And I am saying, Madam Chai rman, that as time goes on we should look at where we are faulty — [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Members, Members. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —where we have been faulty, where we have been deficient, and how we can do something about it. Because one fall by an elder res ulting in an injury in a government -operated care facility —never mind the private ones, but a government …
The Chairman Chairman On [page] B -176? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am sorry, [page] B-178, I am sorry. My eyes are getting old. [Page] B - 178 at the top of the page, the number of clients r eceiving emergency contraceptives, this is emergency contraceptive for pregnancy prevention. There seems to …
The Chairman Chairman So is that the . . . what is that? The morning- after pill? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am thinking that is what it is because this is emerge ncy contraception. This is not standardised, you know, targeted . . . ord inary birth control. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman So out of 100 per cent, 4 per cent need it. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, exactly. So 4 per cent of the people who are presenting for a pap test may find that it is abnormal, but of those 4 per cent, 100 per cent should be referred …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: For the aged we have $43.3 million of original, $43.3 [million] revised, and $43.3 [million] for 2019/20. Similarly, for youth we have $7.696 million origina l, the same number for r evised, and the same number for 2019/20. This gives us a …
The Chairman Chairman Members, Members, Members. [Gavel] [Crosstalk ] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Madam, shall I sit while people are . . . ?
The Chairman Chairman No talking across the floor. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. So Madam Chai rman, there are two things that are very stark to me in these estimates versus what we are expecting for next year. Either on an i ndigent, aged …
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And that is on page B -186, and that is where I come a little bit unstuck because as the Junior Minister indicated, and it has been seen throughout the department’s budget, the differ ences that have emanated from the …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And that is . . . if you look under the Financial Assistance, 5501, at the top—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —we have the 2019/20 estimate is $51.484 [million] and it is $51.684 [million], which is the original estimate.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: But if you look at the Grants and Administration, we had $48.512 [mi llion], which was the original for 2018/19 and for 2019/20, we have $48.312 [mi llion]. So that is a $200,000 decrease. And by the same token, if you look at the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So the Minister indicated earlier that the total that she was showing . . . my book is showing $43.12 [million]. The Mini ster’s brief said $49.512 [million]. The Minister indicated after lunch that her brief was incorrect, which I a ccept. But the …
The Chairman Chairman Well, Member — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is just on this page.
The Chairman Chairman No, I understand. Just for the listening public, it is . . . what is in the [Budget] Book, the original and the estimate . . . in fact, what should have happened, it should have gone from the . . . that is where the difference should have been …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So what has happened, Mr. Chairman, is that what we have got here. The difference is between the rev ised and the new estimates, and not the original and the new estimates.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, that is it. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That is the reason I was querying because that is the only place within the Ministry that there is a difference. So, y ou can understand that there is some confusion.
The Chairman Chairman No, it is incorrect. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, it is incorrect. Okay. So, with respect to Financial Assistance, and I know we have had some updates in the House fairly recently, b ut I think that it would be useful if the Mini ster had come . . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members that wish to speak? The Chair recognises the Honourable Jeanne Atherden from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think, Madam Chai rman, I think it goes wit hout saying that we are all here trying to get …
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on, Member? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am going to go now to start off with [page] B -167 and it says . . . this is under 2101, General, and then it goes [to] 31015, Grants 974 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda …
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on, Member, please? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: It is on [page] B -170, sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Je anne J. Atherden: If I go to [page] B -170 and I am going to go to business unit 31030, Health Care Registration and Regulation, okay, so then, in this — and this is the third item down— it says percentage of complaints against health care …
The Chairman Chairman Sure, go ahead. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This is [page] B -167. There is, under [line item] 2103, the Ageing and Dis ability Services , okay, I just want to ask the Minister, Where is the National Ageing Plan that was being developed by the former Government? Because it had …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Do you wish to resume? Hon. Je anne J. Atherden: So, so, we are saying it has gone from 167 to 213? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay, that is fine. That is fine. So it has gone from 167 to 213. That is fine because …
The Chairman Chairman Well, thank you, Member from co nstituency 19. The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 22 [sic]. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Twenty -three.
The Chairman Chairman Twenty -three. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Close enough.
The Chairman Chairman You now have the floor, Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, thank you. I just wanted to go to page C -5 on the Capital Development. And I did mention earlier that it was good if we could see some sort of money going t owards the Lefroy …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 19, once again. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Chairman, I have one question and I think this sort of brings it all together. Recently the Health Council put out a paper on hospital financing. And the Minister talked …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member, from [constit uency] 19. The Chair now recognises the Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there were a number of questions that were asked and I will endeavour to answer them, starting with the most recent questions and working my way backwards. …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Minist er. Go ahead. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. It was just that we had a question with respect to the hospital. I realise that the Minister is scrolling through on her equipment, so before she goes too far down, we want to go back to the …
The Chairman Chairman So what is it, a point of clarification? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, no, no. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, just a point of intervention because the Honourable Member . . . she dealt with hospitals, and now she has moved on to something else. But …
The Chairman Chairman Well, the Minister has it in her discr etion and— [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Chairman, it is a point of clarification.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, will you accept the point of clarification? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: She is asking me to clarify? Or she— Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am going to— Hon. Kim N. Wilson: So, a point of clarification means she is clar ifying something. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Right.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Will you accept it? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes But, Mr. Chairman, with respect, I would prefer to go through all the answers that have come up. They will have an opportunity. We still have several hours to answer any further questions, if need be, and then I will go …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Well, you have that discretion. You may proceed. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to the HIP administrative expenses, what efficiencies have been done . . . what has been arrived at to bring down the expenses? They have been negotiated with vendors to keep …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Chikungunya. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: That one. [Also, gastritis ], influenza, and a suspected case of measles in the past two months. The vacancies with respect to the OCMO account for the variance in the budget. Two additional posts accounts for the increased budget, concerning the OCMO. I spoke about …
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome, Minister. The Chair now recognises the Member from [constituency] 19, Ms. Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will just go back to two. The Minister talked about the hospital grant, this was when you were tal king about the $20 million, I tried …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair now recognises the Minister. You have the floor , Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did fail to answer that particular question with respect to page B -185. The apparent difference in the original estimate of $2.5 million speaks to the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair, once again, recognises the Mini ster of Health, Ms. Kim Wilson. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have t hat information as to the number of individuals who are over 65 and are receiving dialysis. However, I will undertake to …
The Chairman Chairman The Minister will respond momentar ily. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Modern technology is incred ible! There are 158 dialysis patients and 54 per cent are over 65 years old. With respect to the fees for legal . . . okay. There was a question concerning the Enhanced Care Pilot [programme] …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair now recognises the Member from [constituency] 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Mr. Chairman, and I think the Minister just gave me the opportunity to lead right in. Yes, the Minister is talking about the fact that if nothing had been done, we would have been up to …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, when the Minister responded on patient fees, page B -175, revenue source cost centre 8163, the Honourable Member indicated— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This is [page] B …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member care to speak to the heads in question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I have a nother question.
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay. Thank you. And page B -187, we had Grants Administr ation, 65050, in respect of Financial Assistance. And the one thing that I had noted during my earlier ques-tion is that the Minister has not given us a breakdown of what …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. The Chair now recognises the Opposition Leader. You have floor, sir. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. And just my apologies, I was called to a meeting by the Finance Minister, so I slipped out of the d ebate and I am just getting back. I apologise …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Opposition Leader. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, the part that I did rush through concerning the brief is . . . and I will read it, but Mr. Chairman, it was, again, emphasised in my Ministerial Sta tement on the 11 th of February. However, as it …
The Chairman Chairman In the Gallery, I don’t know what you got . . . a camera there? It is not a llowed in here. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman It is not allowed here. Please, put it away. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, Recommendation 20. The department plans to work with the go vernment nutrition team to promote a nutrient -rich shoppi ng list. There are plans to increase the list of “forbidden” items or those goods that …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The enquiry targets, Why are they so high with respect to occupational safety and health? [Having] 300 accidents per year is an ambitious low aspir ational target and represents less than one work place accident per day , and if one …
The Chairman Chairman [That is] 180? Hon. Kim N. Wilso n: I’m sorry. • Of the 3,200 clients, there 1,180 who are pe nsioners or seniors; • 900 persons with disabilities; • 210 are able- bodied and unemployed; • 360 are persons with low incomes; • and approximately 610 are on the child’s …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I did not hear the Minister . . . I have to say I am kind of a bit jaded at this point, but I did not he ar the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Rules regarding home care? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The question that came up to me directly was an individual who goes to get Mrs. Smith and takes her to the hospital for her dialysis, and then she may wait with Mrs. Smith because Mrs. Smith now has to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —and I would be curious to know the answer to that.
The Chairman Chairman Ms. Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, mine is going back to financial assistance and in particular the day care a llowance, Mr. Chairman. So, the Minister gave a Ministerial Statement, and I am referring line 65050, Grants, Administration. In particular, the child day care allowance. The Mini ster gave a Ministerial Statement a few weeks …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: But I do believe that the Government has the capability to put policy in place or maybe even legislation that somehow controls the upward trend of the prices that day care centres are charging based on what Government is prepared to …
The Chairman Chairman Got you. Any further speakers? Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairm an. I think with respect to the last intervention with respect to whether Government would look to control what day care centres are charging, that falls a little bit outside of the remit of the Budget …
The Chairman Chairman Didn’t you answer that already? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: No, this is to the Opposition Leader’s question.
The Chairman Chairman All right. I know the Member responsible asked the same questi on. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman For the output measures, what is the difference of the 70 per cent and are we addressing that? I know she did ask that. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I don’t remember.
The Chairman Chairman You did. I am very clear on that. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman But go ahead, you obviously didn’t answer. That’s fine. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay. Thank you. So the department is currently undergoing management service . . . this is what I did answer, actually , but the Honourable Member did indicate that he was out in a meeting. The management …
The Chairman Chairman The Honourable Member Mrs. Gordon-Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I did have a question earlier on page B -181, under business unit 32180, for Housing Conditions. I inquired as to whet her vacation rentals were included with the health saf ety and hygiene standards for inspection, the percentage …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. I can say that that differential does still exist, and I will get those figures in a few moments. Mr. Chairman, with respect to the question concerning the vacation rental properties, they are licensed hotels and guest houses. So that would be within …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Ms. Jackson. Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I am still working on this day care allowance. I am on page C -18, Grants and Contributions, and line item 7043, Child Day Care A llowance. So, in 2017/18 the actual was about $2.2 million and it was bumped up at the end of the year, beginning of …
The Chairman Chairman Benefitting from that?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —benefit from that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I thought she said 610.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson [She said] 610? Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Any further questions?
Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did have one other question that the Minister did not respond to and that is on page B -184 with r espect to hospitals. The Minister indicated that she would undertake to find out how much the BHB r eceived from the DI [diagnostic …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -184? Hon. Patricia J. Gor don-Pamplin: Yes, [page] B -184 with respect to hospitals.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And this was the hospital had received some money on diagnostic i maging, and I wondered how much. The Minister undertook to get me the number. And the question also begged, With that reimbursement, at the time the r eimbursement level was set, the …
The Chairman Chairman Wouldn’t lose any money. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The question I had was, Did the hospital advise the Minister when preparing for the grant that they needed to cover their costs, that they had actually received an uptick in OR fees because they were getting less in diagnostic i …
The Chairman Chairman Got it. Right. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So they should not have had as quite as high a net expenditure. And I am just wondering if that had been considered by the hospital or advised by the hospital to the Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speaker s? Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with respect to the questions that just came out, Lefroy House charges $1,350 per month. Sylvia Richardson charges $5,000 per month. And with respect to the transfer of the health visitors from community health to …
The Chairman Chairman Any fu rther speakers? There appears to be none. Minister, do you want to move your heads? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 21, 22, 24, 55, and 91 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 21, 22, 24, 55, and 91 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [ Motion carried: The Ministry of Health, Heads 21, 22, 24, 55 and 91 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that motion? There appear to be none. [Motion carried: T he Committee of Supply agr eed to rise and report pr ogress , and sought l eave to sit again.] House resumed at 6: 22 pm [ Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. Are there objections to the Committee rising and reporting progress? There are none. We will now move on to the other Orders of the Day. I believe . . . Junior Minister, are you going to . . . okay. [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Junior Min ister. Yes. Junior Minister, are you going to move? The next item is [Order] No. 3 . . . is it? An Hon. Member: Three.
The Speaker The Speaker Three, yes. [ Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker [Order No.] 3 is being carried over. [ Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Land Tax.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, it is being carried over.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Which item were you going to do today? [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker [Order No.] 4 and [Order No.] 5. Okay. Order No. 4 is Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2019. Junior Minister of Finance, you have the floor. BILL SECOND READING FINANCIAL SERVICES TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, the Gover nment wishes that this Honourable House [would …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. Does any Honourable Member w ish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Pearman. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the invitation of the Honourable Member, Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin, our speaker on Finance, she has invited me to speak first on this in the debate. Just a few points, really. We have spoken at length in the Reply [to the Throne Speech] about the regrettable …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman It says this, illum inatingly: “ Bermuda’s financial services sector can effectively charge whatever rates they wish, since the sector’s pricing is not regulated. ” And so those charges will, in all likelihood, be passed on to the consumer. I mention this because the tax will be passed on like …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Certainly, through the budget delivery, as well as in the Budget Reply. Our concern, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that notwithstanding the Government has indicated that certainly some of these taxes are going to be the r esponsibility of the corporation, the business, that …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members! Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —than increase the cost of the average everyday person’s expenses. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Now, many people— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —many people— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —many people—
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to me, Madam. Members, just let this one Member have the floor, please. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many people, Mr. Speaker, are struggling. Many of them have to get to work — [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —and what we have heard …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s a little late.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, it doesn’t need a chorus back there. I think you may need to leave the Chamber if you can’t speak to yourself without me hearing you, because you should not be speaking to anybody else. Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Minister of Tourism. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is interesting. When you hear Members opposite, and in particular the M ember who just …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Now, speak to Chair now. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member. Yes. Because, Mr. Speaker, when I hear the O pposition talk about p eople struggling, and then in the same breath the Honourable Member says, gouging taxes . . . now those …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is the same people who cut scholarships for the very people she says are struggling.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Same people! Hon. Zane J. S . De Silva: The same people who she just talked about, people who ride the transportation in the country because they are struggling, they [OBA] did not put any money into buses for five years. But found $100 million for a sail boat race! …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hypocrisy! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You see? That is what we have to listen to in this House. People cannot make ends meet. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, Members. I just need to hear one voice. Hon. Zane J . S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, this is the same Opposition that turned water off for residents up in Dockyard, residents that needed water that had dialysis issues.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Putting people’s lives at risk. But you want to come [here] a year and a half after we won the Government and talk about how you are worried about the people who are struggling in this country.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is the hypocrisy! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The same people who you promised 2,000 j obs for and lost 2,000! You tell the people of the country, Well, you know what? We are the brains of the country . We are going to borrow $800 million right …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The same Government, the same Opposition that backs Morgan’s Point for $160 million, the debt is in default, and you do not tell the people of the country —$160 million! Yes ; that the taxpayers —the very people who …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Absolutely not! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We know, Mr. Speaker, that raising taxes in the country is not good for the economy. No country in the world is going to tax themselves out of any debt whatsoever. It does not work like that. But when we try to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And then they will tell you, Well, let’s all work together. Let’s all work together. [Inaudible interjectio ns] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So here we are. We are Government; they are Opposition. And I guess that is what we are going …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak, speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —the Honourable Member says.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But that is what they say, —
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —You people ( and we know what they are saying), You people can’t run a country. Even though we doubled our GDP from 1998 to 2008.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Highest in our history for that period of time, Mr. Speaker. And let me say this. Anyone who had a business, whether you were selling toothpicks, or whether you were selling insurance, everybody that owned a business in this country from 1998 to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And honesty. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And honesty. I did not deny it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Without apology. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And without apology, too. Thank you very much. But, Mr. Speaker, let me say. We will have to raise taxes from time to time. But let’s not forget that for the first time in 17 years, what do we have?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A balanced budget. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: First time in 17 years! And what else do we have for the first time in about, s ince 2002? We have a surplus. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And of course, the Honourable Member, Mr. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pe arman The honourable gentleman is misleading the House. The PLP do not have a budget surplus. They have a predicted budget surplus. We will see what happens when they come home to roost. [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel] 998 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Crystal ball! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Never happened! Never happened! But you see, that is what they do. Point of order. We predicted a $7 million surplus. But has an yone else predicted a surplus in the last 10 years?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, sir! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let’s ask the Honourable Member that! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No. All we have heard about is . . . Oh, no. Wait a minute. We did have a prediction from Mr. Bob Richards, the former Finance Minister. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Absolutely! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —not only what we are doing, but what we are going to do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member . . . I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that we have to start recognising that if we do not raise …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, she is speaking to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —in Opposition will r emember how vigorously they talked about the co ncerns that their constituents had. I do not believe that it is necessary for us to shout and to start getting into issues —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s not Sunday School. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: The public wants us to see us up here talking about their issues, and they want to us respecting— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Je anne J. Atherden: And they want to see us respecting the concerns that they have. And I think that as we go forward it is i mportant to recognise that these taxes will have an i mpact. And if we do not say that clearly . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Any other Member? I see— Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, my—
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, we are looking at the Financial Services Tax Amendment Bill, a si mple item to increase the rate of tax payable by banks, domestic insurers, as indicated. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, I recall that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other Member? Junior Mini ster. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I find it ironic. We are talking about raising certain taxes which they put in place. The Financial Services Tax was put …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —I find it ironic that the Honourable Member Jeanne Atherden, because she and I were both on the Tax Reform Committee.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We had suggested that the tax on bank fees be increased by . . . to 75 basis points —75 —much higher! Much higher than what this Governm ent has brought forward. We suggested that the insurance premium [tax] increase from 2.5 [per cent] to …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And their numbers are enormous. I saw some numbers today from a partic ular bank, which I will not call their name. I could not believe the percentage of increase they were putting on the locals. It had nothing to do with percentage increase. It …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Deputy, would you like to assume the Chair? House in Committee at 6 :55 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL FINANCIAL SERVICES TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, the Financial Services Tax [Amendment Act] 2019 . This Bill seeks to amend the Financial Services Tax Act 2017.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I emphasise that year. [It is] “the principal Act.” Clause 1 is self -explanatory. Clause 2 amends section 2 of the principal Act—
The Chairman Chairman Hold on one second. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman What . . . are you going to move all the clauses? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I’m sorry. I’m sorry, we will move all the clauses unless anyone needs me to stop.
The Chairman Chairman [Clauses] 1 through 4? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Move all the clauses.
The Chairman Chairman No objection? Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Clause 2 amends section 2 of the principal Act to inser t the definition of “Gover nment insurance” as meaning insurance policies taken out by a government department. Let me make that a little more clear. Clause 3 amends section 4 of the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gor don-Pamplin. You have the floor, Honourable Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, I just wonder if the Minister could confirm for us how they intend to ensure that the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister? Junior Minister Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We cannot ensure that. We are following the same guidelines that you did in 2017.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that this House —
The Chairman Chairman You want to move clauses. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman [Clauses] 1, 2, 3 and 4. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1, 2, 3 and 4 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman The pream ble. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: [I move] the preamble.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Any objections to that? Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House. [Motion carried: The Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2019 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.] House resumed at 6 :58 pm …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2019 being reported to the House as printed? No objections? So moved. That now takes us on to the next item on the Order Paper, which is [Order] No. 5, the second rea ding of the Foreign Currency …
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister, you have the floor. BILL SECOND READING FOREIGN CURRENCY PURCHASE TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, with the Go vernor’s recommendation I move that this Bill entitled the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Act 2019 be now read for a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? No objections. Continue on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, the Bill now before the House is the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Act 2019 . The purpose of the Bill is to amend the F irst Schedule of the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Act 1975 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I want to speak to Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, speak to them through me then. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Through you, sir. Your $300 grocery bill is only going to cost you another $3.75, so don’t worry about it. Your travel overseas, it is only going to cost you an extra 25 per cent foreign currency purchase …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How much? Another Hon. Member: Look it up.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member She told you, you said no. You got to prove it. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That was the number that the Honourable Member gave in his presentation, so— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, no. What I said was, Mr. Speaker, wh at I said was — Hon. Patricia …
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, what I said was, that the groceries would be $300, would be $3.00 at the current rate.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is what she sai d. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: At the new rate of 3.75. It doesn’t go up. It doesn’t go up 3.75. The rate is sev-enty-five cents. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I think we have a hearing problem or …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to me slowly, so everybody can understand it. How’s that? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I will speak really slowly, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Some people need to slow d own.
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to me, just speak to me. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I will. I will. So, Mr. Speaker, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, your extra seventy -five cents that you have to pay, she doesn’t have the seventy -five cents. You are paying $303. 00 now for your foreign …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —highlighted and articulated that these are situations that could be — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Don’t get noisy. Members! Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —ripe for privat isation or mutualisation. And that does not cause people to lose their jobs . And I am so tired of hearing Members opposite suggest that for us to ask them to consider austerity measures would automatically mean …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pam plin: When I mentioned “gouging” earlier, Members took exception to it. So I am happy to pare back that language a little bit, if you do not think that we are being “gouged.” But all I can say in this circumstance, Mr. Speaker, is …
The Speaker The Speaker Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you know, I heard the Honour able Member who just took her seat, praising Skyport, which is fine. I do not …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Pearman. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker, just tw o very, very quick points. I think that all of us in this House, all of us in this Chamber, knows that our Island hangs in a very delicate financial balance. We are about to see $39 million of tax increases in a declining …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Opposition Whip. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to get up and share a few words of concern around the increase of the foreign currency purchase tax.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. 1006 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: It is my perception that we in Bermuda are looking at so many very small, as the Government would put it, tax increases, which I am afraid are going to add up, and …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson If you could have seen the look on that man’s face—
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Just let her speak to me. Let the Member speak to me.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —to realise that even taking his two young infant children out on a Friday night for a slice of pizza and a juice, that he was going to be paying that kind of money . . . and that price is coming through the taxes — [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —that the Government is adding to the cost of goods in Bermuda, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And when it is time for us to travel, that same father is going to look and see that when he is trying to convert his $100, $200 or $500 to US [dollars] that that, in turn, is going to be less that he is going to get. I think …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Bermuda House of Assembly We recognise the Minister of Education. Mi nister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was not expecting to speak on this, but I could …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Who I know as a personal friend . . . Devil’s Hole, he lives on Devil’s Hole. And I know him to be a very good worker and very know ledgeable and som eone who Skyport was very eager to take on. But, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: At no time did I say that that was the greatest deal since sliced bread. I simply pointed to a situation in which someone who used to be on the Government payroll is —Sir!
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker Whip, Whip, stay on that side. Stay there. Stay there. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That someone who was on the Government payro ll, who is no longer on the Government payroll, but is not unemployed. I never once said that that was the ideal situation. I just …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. You— Hon. Patricia J. Go rdon -Pamplin: —carve out and—
The Speaker The Speaker —you made your point. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —not have people be unemployed.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, you have made your point. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So I just don’t want to be misled.
The Speaker The Speaker Your point has been made. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I am actually grateful for that Member for getting up and saying that because, Mr. Speaker, it is amazing how short the memories are here. Now, Mr. Speaker, when we go back to the budget …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Was erased from our books, Mr. Speaker. And, Mr. Speaker, the great deal that the o pposite Member does talk about, with that $25 million of revenue, which does not include the revenue that comes from the departure tax and all of that. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Take your — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —but we have still —
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order! Minister! Minister! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —come up with a surplus!
The Speaker The Speaker Minister! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order! POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member insists that we have lost money. I t is no different than the $30 million that we had to pay based on their deal at the hospital —$30 million a …
The Speaker The Speaker You made your point. You made your point, Member, made your point. Were you finished? Minister, were yo u finished? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Swan. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, allow me just to say a few brief words on this Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Bill, and to speak also to some of the comments that have been made by persons opposite us in this Government. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I really would think that they cared about Mr. and Mrs. Smith. And that is not to say that there are not Members there who do care. But as a collective and as one who sat in their midst and advocated for Mr. and Mrs. Bermuda, every time I spoke …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: And your time in Go vernment is what . . . because I have heard, you know . . . I wa nt to say this, Mr. Speaker. During the Budget Reply time, I spoke earlier. I was up as an opening batsman. …
The Speaker The Speaker You were not listening to it then. Don’t get too worked up. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: I mean, if you can, that man, Mr. Dickinson, that man, Mr. Dickinson, you know, he is so calm. And he presents his work so good. She said, I really enjoy listening to …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ah! Oh! Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: What are condescen ding coded messages? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Monstrous debt. I might have said the same myself when I participated thus. But let me tell you what monstrous debt . . . when you say “ monstrous debt ”—and you created the monstrous debt —then that becomes duplicitous! Because when in 2011/12, 2010, when people were talking about …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They would have you believe it, though! Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Well, you know, I parti cipated in having them believe that the PLP caused the recession. Why, the PLP is mighty, man, we could cause a recession! They could take over the whole world! But you know what? …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Let me tell you where the real duplicity is. It is not on the Opposition tickling up the Government. Beca use that is part of your job. Maxwell used to say, you know, in Opposition, really you have got to be responsible. You know? And we are seeing it. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But let me show you where you really see it, is when good ideas . . . and you know what? I am going to send a sho ut-out down to Old Maid’s Lane. Man, you are in Opposition? Come with some solutions , will you? Come with some solutions! …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Some of your Members, not you. Some of your most vocal Members, not you. You are vocal, but not your most vocal Member.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair, Member. Member! Speak to the Chair. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: And, Mr. Speaker, and, Mr. Speaker, in what we need . . . look. The former Government, as I wind up, Mr. Speaker, the former Government —
The Speaker The Speaker Well, speak to the Chair and stay on point. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: The former Government . . . we are talking about the foreign [currency] purchase tax.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Speak to the point. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Because this Gover nment cannot get foreign purchases. The former Government put in place a hotel right there on the beach, right there on the water. This Government, and it has an opportunity to have a gam-ing licence. And it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member want to speak? No other Member? Junior Minister. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, if you do not want to take to your feet, be quiet. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, again I find it ironic, because let us look at this. The Honourable Member said that they care about Mr. and Mrs. Smith. They really did not. Because for five years, …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Let us just remember that bag of groceries, that [cost] $300 in 2012. How much do you think that cost, they lost from 2012 to 2017? With no increase! With a rate of inflation, Mr. Speaker, occurring every year, that $300, they could probably only …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. The Honourable Member is misleading the House and, unfortunately, probably unintentionally doing that. If he can recall, going back those few years, we were the ones who put in a policy with the grocery …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Minister, Junior Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, if you ask the Honourable Member, How long did it last? How long did that last? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. Speaker, he said in 2013 it was more. And I am referring to 2013 when he …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Junior Minister, keep going. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member, again, I would ask the Honourable Member Patricia Gordon- Pamplin, who understands a little bit about numbers, to explain this one. If the groceries are at $300 in 2012 and the rate of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I just think it is important to point out that interest on credit card ba lances is only appended if the balance is not repaid. So, people use their credit card so that they …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Junior Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We know that. The question is, if they did not pay it, what happens? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, you are assuming. So, Mr. Speaker , let us look at this [other] point. The Honourable Member said that this juice— …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Honourable Member Jackson. Hon. Wayne L. Fu rbert: The Honourable Member, Ms. Jackson. I do not think they need to blame the Government for that. Maybe she needs to blame the Honourable Member from constituency 10. I just looked online. Walmart charges sixty -two cents. If we added 1 per …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 1012 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Susan E. Jackson: He is misleading the House. He is singling out one particular distributor when there are a number of distributors on this Island. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I would also like to add that, no matter what the price is on the goods, —
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members!
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —that this Government is, as we are debating tonight, further taxing our individuals who are living here in Bermuda wh o are paying in Bermuda dollars. Not only have they added the sugar tax, but now the foreign currency purchase tax, as well!
The Speaker The Speaker Not a full speech. Not a full speech. Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, it was that Honourable Member w ho brought up juice, not me. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: If you had brought up shoes, I would have mentioned shoes. But you …
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister, let me help you out. Just speak to me. Just speak to me, and move on. Speak to me. There you go. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, do not blame me about the juice , Honourable Member.
The Speaker The Speaker Move on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We are charging 0.25 per cent on top of that, .25 per cent. And the Honourable Member, I am sure that the profit margin is much higher. So, blame the Honourable Member som ewhere else, not this Government! That i s my point. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Madam. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I very clearly said that it will not impact people who are paid in US do llars, on their travel overseas or for them to have to pay their credit cards, because there would be no foreign currency purchase tax …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I did not call the Honourable Member’s name.
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. Keep moving on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I was calling the Honourable Member Jackson, once again from [constituency] 20. She is the one who said it. The Honourable Member who said it, she said it.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Keep speaking. Hon. Wayne L. Fur bert: I heard what you said. I was not talking about you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And I know what I am talking about. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: If you are guilty, it is a different story. But, Mr. Speaker, those …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak this way. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —in the last year and a half, they have got saved. For some reason, they have changed this whole epitome of where they are. We just spoke about a tax that they were the ones who brought it to this Honourable House, not …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Very much so! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is for sure. You are still to be saved.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member now leaves the Chamber, because she does not want the Honourable Member Kim Swan and I to talk about that group, not in this House.
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. That is all. Speak to the Chair. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will ask the Mem bers to read my book when it comes out.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, Lord! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, Mr. Speaker, what I am saying to the Honourable Members in this House is that this Government has shown concern for our seniors and our civil servants by giving them increases for the last two years. And we recognise, Mr. Speaker …
The Speaker The Speaker I thought you were wrapping up, you know. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: How do you think they wer e going to balance the budget, Mr. Speaker? Sorry. I am speaking to you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: How do you think they were going to balance the budget? They planned to i ncrease payroll tax from the employer from 10.25 to 11.25, employer. The average employee would have paid an increase of 1 per cent. Let us look at this, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The average tax that they wanted to increase for them, that is how they learned to balance the budget, on the backs of labour, Mr. Speaker! We are trying to diversify and make this much more accountable for a wider group. I …
The Speaker The Speaker I suggest you go to Committee now. How is that? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that we go into Committee. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 7:55 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL FOREIGN CURRENCY PURCHASE TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019
The Chairman Chairman Honoura ble Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Act 2019 . Ministe r, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 3.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Act 1975 to increas e the rate of tax. Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Act 1975? Ah! I cannot even think of that date, that year 1975. Who was in power at that time, …
The Chairman Chairman I was not born yet. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am not going to . . . moving ahead.
The Chairman Chairman Move ahead. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Act 1975 Act. I did not even . . . I missed that. Did all of you miss it? The Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Act 1975? Did we all miss that, 1975 ? I will repeat it again.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, let us do clauses 1 through 3. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I am sorry. 1014 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Clause 1 is the short title of the Bill and is self - explanatory. Clause 2 amends the First Schedule to the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor, Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, clearly, nothing that we say matters. The people do not matter. And therefore, we have to accept the fact that …
The Chairman Chairman Member, Member. I think you need to withdraw that statement. This is the House of Parli ament. I am here to listen to you, and what you say matters like any other Member. Please, do not insult the Chair. [Inaudible i nterjection]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Can you withdraw that stat ement, please? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Can I express it differently? I withdraw that statement if that is unacceptable.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: But I am happy to say that the Government has decided that it is going to incur additional taxes on Mr. and Mrs. Bermuda. And clearly, by this tax upon the other tax upon the other tax, there is nothing we can do about …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Act 2019 was considered by a Commi ttee of …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Members. Is there any objection to the Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Act 2019 being reported to the House as printed? No objections. Moved as printed. That now brings us on to the next Order of the Day, which is [Order] No. 6, the second reading of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I do not expect a long di scussion on this one unless they begin . . . Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation, I move that this B ill entitled the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 be now read the second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? None, continue. Bermuda House of Assembly BILL SECOND READING HOTELS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L . Furbert: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Bill proposes to extend the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Act 1991 by a further five- year period, expiring by March 31 st, 2024. That provides a zero rate of customs duty on capital goods to be used in a capital investment scheme for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What was that amount? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: [It was], $12.7 million. Mr. Speaker, 2018 turned out to be another record- breaking year for the number of visitor arrivals from cruise ships. Cruise, air and yacht figures are combined with air arrivals growing by 4.6 per cent. Despite the success, …
The Speaker The Speaker You invite others to s peak to it. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I beg your pardon?
The Speaker The Speaker You are inviting others to speak to it. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. I would like to invite other Members to speak to the Bill. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Would any other Member wish to speak to this? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we recognise the importance of hotel development and the incentive for hotels to bring …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. 1016 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? None? Junior Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that this Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker No objections to that, are there? I did not think so. Deputy. House in Committee at 8:04 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman ] COMMITTEE ON BILL HOTELS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2019
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Bill entitled Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty R elief) Amendment Act 2019 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Act …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This Bill seeks to amend the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Act 1991 so that the relief may be granted in respect of goods i mported on or before 31 March 2024. Clause 1 of the Bill is the citation and is self - explanatory. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor, Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. P atricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the Minister misspoke, because he said the commencement comes at the 1st of April 2014. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thanks, that is called working together . [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Very good. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman You want to do the clauses first. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Oh, sorry. Yes, move clauses 1, 2 and 3 again.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? Approved. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that? Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House. [Motion carried: The Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, is there any objection to the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 being reported to the House as printed? None. So moved. I believe that brings us to the close of the O rders of the Day. Junior Minister, one m ore? Do you want to do …
The Speaker The Speaker Oh. Okay. All right. We will move on to [Order] No. 7. [Order] No. 7 is the second reading of the Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019. Junior Minister, I believe you are going to be leading that one, as well. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. Thank you, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. BILL SECOND READING RESTAURANTS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This is very similar to the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019. I am not going to go through a whole spiel, but this expires on March 31, 2019. I would …
The Speaker The Speaker 2019. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, 2019.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Do not turn the clock back. And it may have been a good year, but we are not ready to go back just yet. Would any other Member like to speak to that? I recognis e the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, Junior Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that this Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. House in Committee at 8:09 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman ] COMMITTE E ON BILL RESTAURANTS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2019
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Bill entitled Restaurants (Temporary Customs D uty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 3.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, the Bill seeks to amend the Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Act 2002 so that relief may be granted in r espect of goods imported on or before 31 March 2024. Clause 1 of the Bill is the citation and is self - …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor, Ms. Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As we did in the last Act, we have no objection to this.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Minister. 1018 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 3.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? Approved. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as is.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 was consi dered by a …
The Speaker The Speaker Good even ing, Members. Is there any objection to the Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 being reported to the House as printed? No objections. So moved. Now that brings us to the end of the items to be done on the Order Paper today. Yes. Would you …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING FOREIGN CURRENCY PURCHASE TAX AMEND MENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker So done. So moved. [Motion carried: The Foreign Currency Purchase Tax Amendment Act 2019 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to do the next item? SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, the second one is the Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2019. I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill ent itled the Financial Services …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Minister. BILL THIRD READING FINANC IAL SERVICES TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker No objections? So moved. So passed. [Motion carried: The Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2019 was read a third time and passed.] Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Would you like to do the next one? SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING HOTELS (TEMPORAR Y CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. So moved. [Motion carried: The Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 was read a third time and passed.] SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The last one, Mr. Speaker, Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019. I move that Standing Order …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objections. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Contin ue. BILL THIRD READING RESTAURANTS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objections. So moved. [Motion carried: The Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2019 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Good evening, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Wednesday, March 13 th, at 10:00 am.
The Speaker The Speaker No Members wish to speak to that? [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Easy.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh! Oh! Oh!
The Speaker The Speaker I will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You were looking the ot her way, so I just had to let out a little cough so you did not miss me.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, the gavel was in my hand and about to go down. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I saw that. I saw that. Mr. Speaker, “ fiscal discipline ” in words, but not in action. Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: After having answers to Parliamentary Questions delayed and deferred by the Honourable Premier, it was certainly not surprising for me this morning that answers were provided after a Ministerial Statement that the Honourable Premier delivered to this Honourable House in which …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Even though it is shoc king, Mr. Speaker, in 20 months this Go vernment has lost the trust of many of the people who elected them and have supported the renewal of things that got them into trouble last time in Government. And I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Speak to your Members.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the delay and the deferment was, in my humble opinion, because the Honourable Premier needed some time to come up with this Statement in which the answers would not appear as shocking as they were. But they are, Mr. Speaker. …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We are likely, Mr. Speaker, back in a recession. Stores are closing. Raises are hard to come by as business is weak. The bungled sugar tax has put a burden on consumers. And the Government now, Mr. Speaker, is doubling down with version two …
The Speaker The Speaker Member! You need to quiet up. Hon. Michae l H. Dunkley: Even some Government departments, Mr. Speaker, do not have the promised raise of 2 per cent, or 2.5 per cent —and the Gover nment has not clarified which it is. Whichever one, the PLP Government has not paid it …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. Just speak to the Chair. That is all. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am speaking to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, you know, be that as it may, it does not bother me, Mr . Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because I do not work for them. I work for the people of Bermuda, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley : So, now I hear, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I do not want to hear an ybody from Government say how hard they work! I do not want to hear anybody from Government say that people need support to do their job, because it was not in Throne Speeches. It was not in …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, he loves to make a big deal — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair, speak to the Chair, speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, he loves to make a big deal about everything. But, Mr. Speaker, until the Honourable Premier was pressed and prodded in the House, we heard nothing about it. Now, Mr. Speaker, I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And then you had a boat race. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And then, the Honourable Member says, we had a boat race. And that is fine! They can talk about that. We had a boat race that put Bermuda on the map and helped us go forward! But, Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. Take the point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: The Honourable Member is misleading th e House. I did say that all contracts would be on the website. And they were. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, thanks for the point of clarification. The contracts were published probably about 24 hours later. I find it interesting that they were published 24 hours later. But what they did not say, Mr. Speaker, was what the total cost of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, it is launc hing a propaganda machine around taxpayers’ money. That is the failed guys under the camouflage, under the camouflage, Mr. Speaker, of Government bus iness being put in place …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable M ember wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member, Minister Simmons. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since the late 1990s, the Ho nourable Member who took his seat has floated the notion …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh! Oh! Oh! Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Former Tourism Minister, former UBP candidate. But that was not friends and family. You know why that was not friends and family? Because, you know, We trust him. He has got the best interests of the country at heart . Those are the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Watch yourself now. [Laughter] Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: But, Mr. Speak er, if the OBA had their way, every person whom the PLP touched, talked to, saw, was related to . . . when Dr. Brown had somebody from Howard University, they talked about the “ Howard University Mafia” — …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank yo u, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 9. Honourable Member. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah! Members! Only one Member has the floor, and that is the H onourable Member from constituency 9. Honourable Member Moniz, you have the floor. EU BLACKLISTING OF BERMUDA Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, Mr. Speaker, I will not engage that Ho nourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: We can just disagree on that, I guess, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, as you know, Member, Members slip in and out of here all day. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That is true. That is true.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Continue on. I will not call names of any Mem ber. I am just asking you to conti nue on. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I am presuming that on a matter as important as this, there were meetings that took place. In fact, I know that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Minister. Minister Caines. 1026 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly OBA’s DIVISIVE POLITICS Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, if you know an ything about the Progressive Labour Party Gover nment, and the leader who now leads this …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I should add that the Honourable Member is being scarce on some facts here. The meeting was one day before the legislation was to be debated in the House. And the next day, when the …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member. He has made his point. You can continue on. Hon. Wayne Caines: And that shows you the cut of that Honourable Member’s jib. He was given the opportunity in the room. He did not read up beforehand. He did not offer his concerns in that room. But let …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne Caines: He gets online and starts twi ttering his findings. And that is a legitimate course of action for him. But then, at the same time, you are saying you are working in the best interests of Berm uda. The man whom he met …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. And I go back. I am not tal king about what he is saying right now, Mr. Speaker. The gentleman whom he refers to originally, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait. Hon. Wayne Caines: Whom do you refer to? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The person in Miami, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Wayne Caines: Who was it? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: If you need me to refresh the name because you have forgotten it since you sat down, I am happy to do it. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman supported the company initially.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who is it? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And then, when he found out what they were about, he turned on them, Mr. Speaker. And what was my advice to him? To contact the Bermuda Monetary Authority. That was my advice,
Mr. Speaker. Hon. Wayne Caines The point I am making, the point I am making, Mr. Speaker, is that, as a Member of this House, he was given the opportunity. He understands the mechanism. And he knows the way that we deal with it. Before he speaks to the Bermuda Monetary Authority, he takes what …
The Speaker The Speaker Do not get sidetracked. Just — Hon. Wayne Caines: No, he thinks that comment would affect me. The Sp eaker: Do not get sidetracked. Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, this is a man now who speaks of the Government spending. We listened …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Yes, he will. Hon. Wayne Caines: He is being divisive! And the narrative that he is trying to paint in this country with the FinTech being a debacle . . . let me remind you that 55 companies have set up in Bermuda. Daily, companies are coming to this …
The Speaker The Speaker I do not have a problem with the expression, a little bit of loudness in your delivery. But be cautious about the words you may use. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, I am guided. And in the delivery, I will amend my approach, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the guidance. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They are not qualified. Hon. Wayne Caines: Black Bermudians are being given opportunities, and it is too much money for them. That is the dog whistle. The opportunity, when we are talking about . . . and remember , I am not speaking to anyone’s qualifications and whether they deserve …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. Hon. Wayne Caines: Did you bring a contract to this House?
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Ah! Hon. Wayne Caines: Did you bring his contract to this House?
The Speaker The Speaker Member! Member! Take the point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. What has happened here is a situation where this Government . . . for example, it said, We’re not giving that person a raise. And then you find …
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Ah! Member! Remain in your seat for the time being. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: You have a situation where Parliamentary Questions are asked, and they are not immediately answered. There is avoidance. There is never any avoidance on my part, or on the OBA’s part, to answering any …
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Ah! Member! Member , you made your point of order. Do not go too far. Do not go too far , because from where I sit, I represent the committee. So, let us just leave it there. Thank you. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, I think t hat …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other Member — I recognise the Opposition Leader, Honour able Member. EU BLACKLISTING OF BERMUDA Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I wanted to start off by saying to the Minister of …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong They understand well. Hon. L. Craig Canno nier: No they don’t. They do not understand, necessarily, the nature of the work that we do. Some are saying that they understand well. He does not know what he is talking about. There are many who I came into contact with who …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Commi ssiong because he jumped up a few times before in the past this evening. Honourable Member from constit uency 21, you have the floor. EU BLACKLISTING OF BERMUDA
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Opposition Leader just sat down. He said that the EU does not understand (I am paraphrasing) who we are. I interpolated that they know all too well who we are. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I said that there are some —not all of them. Some are playing politics.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Okay, some. But for those others, they know all too well who we are. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. All right.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong This is who we are in their eyes: we are a country t hat has an effective zero corporate income tax rate. We are a country that does not impose income tax on its highest earners. That is who we are. Now, between the 1980s and perhaps 2008, 2009 and …
The Speaker The Speaker “Honourable Member.”
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong The Honourable Member and others who are not in this Chamber —
The Speaker The Speaker Watch how you describe Honourable Members in the Chamber.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand to take your advice. Would be those who are often on the frontline in making those disparaging comments as described by my colleague in [constituency] 14, to divide and conquer our people, while they get away with paying relatively nothing at all in terms …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Schadenfreude. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Rolfe Commissiong: No, no, no; that’s German. [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Je ne sais quoi.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong No. There is a French expression. They call it, r éel politique . So you hear many of us in Bermuda talking about, Oh, what they are doing; they have members in their own club who are indulging in tax avoidance practices and the whole nine yards. It does not …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 7. Honourable Member Richards, you have the floor. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, Mr. Speaker, I am going to be very …
The Speaker The Speaker Please do. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: When I walk around Bermuda these days I am in a funk. And when I say “funk” not in the George Clinton kind of funk.
The Speaker The Speaker Parliam ent . . . Parliament, funk it up, eh? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I am in a funk, Mr. Speaker, because when I walk the streets of Hamilton people stop me and talk to me because they know I am a politician. And I must have a face …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Minister . . . Oh, I did not see you back there. Okay. Go ahead, Minister. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now, Mr. Speaker, these are very interesting topics tonight. Let me …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Yes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Decorated! Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: And it was not tendered for. And the H onourable Member Grant Gibbons stood here and said, You know what? Well, he gave us a couple of hundred hours of free work to help us estimate the cost analysis of the America’s Cup! …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Friends and family! Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: But that is okay, is it not? That is all right. M ind you, you know why they moved? Because of the mould. The schools ? We do not have money for them, but we are going to fix it down …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fifty-five. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Fifty-five registered FinTech companies —fifty -five! But the Honourable Member Richards needs to spend more time in the country. He needs to spen d more time in the country. He is missing out on all the information. So, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections] …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Do not get caught up in the side there. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. But, no. What I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is, you see, what the Opposition Leader Cannonier should have done was turn around and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He was chairman for about five minutes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: That is right. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, just speak this way. Do not get distracted. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: The former Chairman of the OBA, yes. I think he was chairman for about five minutes. The Honourable Member Jeanne Atherden cut him shortly, quickly. But, no, Mr. Speaker. I do believe my thing is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member . . . 1038 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 32. Honourable Member, you have the floor. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS
Mr. Scott Simmons Good evening, Mr. Speaker, and thank you. Mr. Speaker, tonight we are discussing what I humbly believe is a serious subject. It i s a subject that I reluctantly get involved in or even want to speak on tonight. But I think that, Mr. Speaker, it has to be said.
The Speaker The Speaker You do not have to force yourself t onight, you know, on my behalf. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Simmons Mr. Speaker , we will tarry just a little bit longer. But, Mr. Speaker, I have listened carefully to, I often say Members opposite. And we have listened carefully to what they say.
The Speaker The Speaker Members opposite you? [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Simmons No, no. Members opposite. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Scott Simmons I am going to take your advice, Mr. Speaker, and ignore the comments from the Gallery. Mr. Speaker, the Members and certainly yourself, when I say “ Members opposite, ” I am referring to the Members of the OBA. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member already spoke on the fact that …
The Speaker The Speaker Understaffed.
Mr. Scott Simmons —you have to form committees with a mere small budget, in executing the business of Bermuda, which is why I do have a difficulty with the high salaries that are way up there, and then the rest of us are down here. All I am saying is that we have …
Mr. Scott Simmon s If we say that we are an ind ependent -thinking country —a dependent, independent - thinking country —then we have a responsibility to create the structure that pushes that democracy along, that creates the intelligentsia, that creates in politics , and that c reates in our administration, as it creates …
Mr. Scott Simmons Mr. Speaker, earlier this eve ning, I heard and I read in the newspaper the $125,000. I saw the headline. And just like I mentioned to the former Minister of Telecommunications, when his art icle was in the paper and when others are disparaged and when others are brought down …
Mr. Scott Simmons But I am t elling you it was a s erious problem. They sprayed the buildings, broke into the apartments. Everybody could not figure out what was going on. He said, You have guys out of bounds. You have to get it. You have to negotiate your . . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, Mr. Simmons. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable Member from consti tuency 36. Bermuda House of Assembly PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for recognising me. So, Mr. Speaker, I am very grateful for the last speaker, and to my colleague, the Minister of Co mmunications, my friend Mr. Simmons, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe I can be brief tonight.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have had a long day on your feet. So, we understand that. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I have had a long day.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: But, you know, Mr. Speaker, I have been in this Honourable House for 20 years. And in 20 years of my being on both sides of the aisle I have taken and I have given as good as I have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The Honourable Member. [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: She, the Honourable Member. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that I have something to say. And as a result, I will stand up. And I will not stand and hear criticism because I choose to stand on my feet, because I choose …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Premier, would you like to respond and bring us to a close? Bermuda House of Assembly PROFESSIONAL SERVICES/CONSULTANTS AND ADVISORS Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had not intended being here this long. But I do have a few …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Which one? [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. E. David Burt: This is a question. Which leader?
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Hon. E. David Burt: I will get there, Colonel. I am getting there, Colonel.
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Continue on. Hon. E. David Burt: We have the Leader of the O pposition getting up, signing Kumbaya, and urging me to get on a plane. We have Sylvan Richards, who is wishing us to succeed. Then we have th e former Premier in the corner grandstanding about consultants …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow. Hon. E. David Burt: It is a fact.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: But here is the thing, Mr. Speaker. Whereas other countries, who may not have such stringent regulations, who may actually have things 1048 11 March 2019 Officia l Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly included inside of their legislation that we were expressly told that …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, with that — [Timer beeps]
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, you just beat the clock. With that, good night. We will see you on Wednesday morning at nine o’clock am. [At 11:03 pm, the House stood adjourned until 9:00 am, Wednesday, 13 March 2019.]
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