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House of Assembly Session 2018/2019 371 speeches

March 4, 2019

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Session Summary

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This was a budget debate session focused on the Ministry of Tourism and Transport's spending plans. Minister Zane De Silva presented the ministry's $88.5 million budget, which saw a major increase due to taking back responsibility for tourism from another ministry. The government announced new cruise ship passenger fees and tax changes that will generate an estimated $16 million more in revenue. Shadow Minister Leah Scott praised the BTA's three years of tourism growth and encouraged more Bermudian participation in the tourism industry.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 4, 2019
Session 2018/2019
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Speakers 13
Speeches 371

Key Topics

Ministry of Tourism and Transport budget presentation for 2019/20 ($88.5 million total)Changes to cruise ship taxes and fees effective April 1, 2019Bermuda Tourism Authority (BTA) grant reduced from $26M to $22.5MBermuda Airport Authority operations and upcoming terminal completionNotice of motion to reject UK Parliament report on Overseas Territories

Bills & Motions

Motion noticed (not yet debated): "Motion to Reject UK Government's Attempted Intervention into Bermuda's Domestic Affairs" - to be debated at next sitting
Budget estimates for Ministry of Tourism and Transport Head 48 - under committee review
No bills were formally read or voted on in this session

Notable Moments

Premier David Burt gave notice of a motion to reject a UK Parliament report that he called an attempt to "erode the constitutional rights of Bermudians"
Several condolences were offered, including for Allan Bean (father of former PLP leader Marc Bean) and young constituents who passed away
The session included recognition of a 94-year-old veteran celebrating his birthday

Debate Transcript

371 speeches from 13 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Deferred]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from March 1st have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we have got a couple of announcements this morning. The first is that , again, we have received noticed that the Honourable Member Tyrrell is absent today. And we will keep him in our thoughts. Also, I would just like to acknowledge that today we will be without the …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker The question this morning is a written question which was carried over from Friday. Premier, do you . . . Hon. E. David Burt: The answer has been provided.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. There was just one written question, from the Member Dunkley, to the Premier. And the [written] answer has been provided to the Member. Thank you. QUESTION: FINTECH CONSULTANTS Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Will the Honourable Premier please provide this Honourable House with a list of the names of …
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Minister De Silva. Minister, you have the floor. 730 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to send condolences to the family of Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Do the whole House for that. Yes. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: So, if we could do that, Mr. Speaker, it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you. Would any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Deputy Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to send congratul ations to Nirobi Smith- Mills. And if you will allow me, because I cannot remember all of the steps. I ass ociate Michael Weeks. If you would allow me to read, at the BMAA track meet that was …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Minister Caines. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue on. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask that c ongratulations be sent to Colour Sergeant Sedgwick Tweed. He celebrates his 94 th birthday t oday. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Tweed served the Bermuda Regiment for 54 years. He is a former member of the Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member Swan. Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences sent to the Bean family.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Leroy Allan Bean, a gentleman I grew up knowing and admiring. He was a fisherman and a farmer, like my grandfather, whose boats were pretty close together in Scaur Harbour. MP Weeks would like to be associated with that. And, certainly, through our association—
The Speaker The Speaker The whole House was associated earlier when the Minister did it. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Yes. B ut I certainly, growing up in that community with the Bean family, would like to express how much we appreciated his love of farming and fishing that was passed on to his …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Premier. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning, although I was associated formally by the Honourable Minister for Tourism, I would just l ike …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: It seems as though if, Mr. Speaker, and I make a habit of trying my best not to get to St. George’s too often, because when you get there, they keep you there. And it is so much fun that you almost do not want …
The Speaker The Speaker Just like the Premier left the cup, we will leave as well. Continue, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: But it was a lovely event. You could certainly see the spirit that was there, remembering. It is an annual event, of course. And now it is an annual event that is …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member, Ms. Furbert. Ms. Furbert, you have the floor.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to send condolences out to the family of Shannon- Hugh Davis, who tragically lost his life. I would like to associate MP Jackson—the whole House. Shannon tragically lost his life on the roads on Friday evening. He is a constituent of mine, …
The Speaker The Speaker Davis, Davis. Shannon Davis.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Sorry. Shannon- Hugh Davis. I said “Davis ” initially; my apologies.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. No problem.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert To the family of Shannon- Hugh Davis, condolences. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 36. Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a note and request that the House send condolences in relation to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: And I had not made the co nnection. So, to Ernest, and to Javon’s mother, Ms. Gardner, I wish to ask that this House send sincere condolences on the loss of his young life.
The Speaker The Speaker Most certainly. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Colonel Burch would be interested to know that he spent some time, Colonel, as a Works and Engineering electrician, and worked in your department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? We can move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. 732 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MAT TERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTION
The Speaker The Speaker I believe we have a notice of a Motion to be put this morning. Mr. Premier. MOTION TO REJECT UK GOVERNMENT ’S ATTEMPT ED INTERVENTION INTO BERMUDA’S DOMESTIC AF FAIRS AND THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITH RESPECT TO BERMUDA AND THE OVERSEAS TERRITORIES Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, it is noted and will be on the Order Paper. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker That now brings us to the Orders of the Day. And I would like to call on the Minister of F inance. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resume in Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2019/20.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And, for the listening audience, as you know, today is the start of the individual budget ministry heads that will be debated. And the first item up this morning is in the name of the Minister of Tourism. So, before we go to that, we will ask the …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Chairman, have a good day. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Yes, sir. House in Committee at 10:18 am [Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2019/20
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Members. We are here to consider the Head 48, under the Ministry of Tourism and Transport. And I believe we will hear from Minister Zane De Silva. Honourable Member. MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND TRANSPORT HEAD 48 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, it is the Ministry Headquarters which is responsible for tourism matters. Ministry Headquarters, Head 48, cost centre 58000, is found on pages B -195 through B-198 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2019/20. MISSION Hon. Zane. J. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. It is now 10:51. The Chair recognises the Shadow Minister for the Ministry of Tourism and Transport, from constit uency 30. Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am going to speak to [cost centres] 58000 and 58101. Mr. Chairman, this year represented a three- peater for the Department of Tourism, when they had three years of successful growth. And it demonstrates that tourism, as an ind ependent body, does well …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Shadow Minister. If I could, just for a minute, I want to inform Members and the liste ning public that this debate is a full hour debate. It started at 10:18 this morning. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN HOUSE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman And I would just recognise the Sen ator Jason Hayward in the Gallery. Thank you for your attendance. [Committee of Supply continuing]
The Chairman Chairman You may continue.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, Mr. Chairman, looking at the Bermuda Tourism Outlook 2019, the air capacity for Bermuda from 2015 to 2018 has incr eased. The 2019 projections have a 4 per cent decrease. And I would just be interested to know why those numbers are going down. On …
Ms. Leah K. Scott The National Trust Talk: The Bermuda Gombey festival. But they have, you know, a bunch of things that are going on. And one of the things that I would like for Bermudians to do is to recognise that tourism is not just for people who come here. There are a …
The Chairman Chairman Enlighten me, Shadow Minister.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Well, the skirling ceremony is where they have kilted pipers, drummers and dancers perform to the bagpipe skirl of the Bermuda Island Pipe Band. I did not even know that. And that is every Monday through the 31 st of March at twelve o’clock. I did not even know they …
The Chairman Chairman That could be a point of order. But continue on. [Laughter]
Ms. Leah K. Scott There is the Featherbed Alley Print Shop, and there is a place where you can go, Rock Island Coffee, where you can sip locally roasted coffee. So, there are a lot of things that people can do when they come to Bermuda. I am actually proud of Bermuda and the …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister. Can you just tie it in to the line item here?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Oh, yes. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Just keep to the line.
Ms. Leah K. Scott So, if you have people who are producing more Bermuda items, then people are shopping; then that money is going to go to our rev enue, to our bottom line. [Pause]
Ms. Leah K. Scott I do not want to talk about that one. Okay. So, Mr. Chairman, going back to Head 48 [cost centre] 58000.
The Chairman Chairman You are on Head 48, yes.
Ms. Leah K. Scott [Cost centre] 58000, Administr ation. So, in 2017, Mr. Chairman, there was a payment made of $100,000 to the Bermuda Sailing Trading Association for the Tall Ships Regatta. And I know that the tall ships are not coming. But what happened to that $100,000 allocation? Has that money been allocated …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Well, I just want to know what line item we are talking from. I would like to follow.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I believe it was on —we are on page B -195, cost centre 58000, Administration. The Shadow Minister said she was dealing with 58000, Administration. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: All right.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Continue on.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. The tourism plan is to i ncrease visitor arrivals in Bermuda to 428,000 by the year 2022, and in 2018 we are five years before that goal date. Is that number s till anticipated? Do we still think that we are going to be able to make that? And …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have been following the Member as she has spoken to matters that are in the brief that the Minister, quite rightly . . . well, we appreciate his sharing. I did not have a problem with the questions that she was asking. They were relevant to …
Ms. Leah K. Sco tt Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, Mr. Chairman, it is kind of difficult. Last year, tourism and transport were contained in the same Ministry. And so, one of the things that I would like to know, and I may have to wait until Friday when we do the Transport debate, is, …
The Chairman Chairman Well, you might have to save that one for that —
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, Friday. Okay. No problem.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I think you answered your own question. Yes.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. And, Mr. Chairman, I guess I may have to wait for Friday on this one, because I was going to talk about the modernisation of a cashless payment sy stem, which they were going to be looking at, and I want to know the status of that. But that …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman We have got enough heads here as we deal with Tourism and the Authorities that come under those particular heads.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Right. Okay.
The Chairman Chairman And some of them are just line items. So, if you can keep it specific to that, we will apprec iate it.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. So, I will go back to [costs centre] 5 8000 under Administration. And last year’s budget, there was a funding of $400,000 that was ring-fenced for an initiative for Bermudians. And that was going to be in partnership with the hospitality i ndustry. And I would like to know …
The Chairman Chairman Professional Services, you are relating to [page] B -196?
The Chairman Chairman In the Subjective Analysis?
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Ms. Leah K. Scott And then, under 4801, Admi nistration 58000, there was a $39,000 increase in travel fees for 2018. What was the amount of travel fees for this year? And what has been allocated for that? And, let me see. [Pause]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Mr. Chairman, in 2017/18, there was $1 million a llocated to America’s Cup for sponsorship. And that money was supposed to be diverted in 2018 for integrated marketing campaigns or marketing blitzes. Is money going to be allocated for that? And what would those campaigns entail? The other thing is …
The Chairman Chairman Is that under Grants and Contributions? I am just trying to, you know, just so we can follow where you are referring your numbers to.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I am referring to my brief from 2018.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Yes. It will be helpful, as you relate to numbers, if you could keep us on track as to where your numbers are coming from so that Honourable Members can follow.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Because I am thoroughly confusing you?
The Chairman Chairman No. I just want to make it relevant to the Budget Book that we are debating.
The Chairman Chairman And I am sure that the numbers that you refer to would be, should be, here.
The Chairman Chairman And so that we can cross reference.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. [Pause]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Let me see. 742 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Page C -18, C -18, Member, is Grants and Contributions for the Ministry of Transport and Tourism.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Right. But I do not see—
The Chairman Chairman So, if there are numbers that you are going to refer to, that would have been listed in the Budget either this year . . . if you cross reference it, they should be listed in here. If you could just make reference to that.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. So, what I do not see is the number for the Bermuda Event Authority.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You could ask that of the Mini ster.
Ms. Leah K. Scott So, I am asking whether or not, because it is not in here . . . does it necessarily mean that there is not going to be a grant allocated for it at some point? [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Leah K. Scott You did not; I know. Okay. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Continue. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman For the listening public, we are on Head 48, Tourism and Transport. There are four hours allocated for this head, under Ministry Hea dquarters. We are on page B -195. Grants and Contr ibutions are listed on page C -18. Shadow Minister from constituency 30, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. Thank you. So, Mr. Chairman, on page B -196, under Grants and Contributions, last year there was a grant to the Bermuda Hospitality Institute. And because Grants and Contributions is an aggregate number, will they be receiving a grant this year? The Visitor Services Centres also got a grant …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I am just looking for . . . I am not sure whether this would come under communications. In the grant for last year, there was a commitment to strategise on previous spending to maintain the m omentum of the tourism comeback. So, I do not know whether that w …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: If I may.
The Chairman Chairman Just for a moment. Yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: You have got to lay out the line, what head you are talking about, what line item you are talking about. I like to follow this here, right?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And I am finding it very difficult to follow if you do not specify what you are talking about.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Can you just specify the line item that you are referring to?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay, so page B -196.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Under Training, the line item is Training.
The Chairman Chairman In the Subjective Analysis?
The Chairman Chairman Training, yes.
Ms. Leah K. Scott I am not sure whether these would come under Training. But there was a certified waiter/server programme in 2018. Do they still have Bermuda House of Assembly that programme, and if there is that programme, is that number included in the Training budget? And again, page B -196, again under …
The Chairman Chairman Under Tourism?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Yes, under Tourism, page B -196, under T raining. As I said, I am not sure what specific line item that would come under. I would think that it is Training. Do they have that programme, and is it still in existence? What were the results of the previous programme? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Deputy. Thank you. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman No. Members. The Deputy Speaker, actually, for clarification, does allocate the Chairs, which is why I am here. So, I am guided by his reminder. And I am here to share that we have three hours remaining. Would any other Member care to speak to Head 48 that we are …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, sir, 10. Always a 10. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I thank the Honourable Minister for the brief which he presented today. Just a few questions : The Honourable Minister menti oned $2 million set …
The Chairman Chairman And we are on Tourism? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Which head? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The only head we are di scussing, Head 48.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Which line item? 744 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Which line item? You can take it on cost centre 4801, if you would like, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Chairman, it is obvious that Government is going to raise a significant amount of revenue. And I think we have the potential, over the coming years, to capitalise on the strength of the cruise industry in Bermuda, even though it …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Would any other Member care to speak? We are dealing with Head 48, Tourism. It is a four -hour debate. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Mr. Chairman. I just have a question because I know that my colleague was trying to get to something. And I just want …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Honourable Member from constituency 19, I do believe. Would any other Member care to speak to Head 48, Tourism and Transport? No other Member? Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Mr. Chairman. I just have a question because I know that my colleague was trying to get …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Honourable Member from constituency 19, I do believe. Would any other Member care to speak to Head 48, Tourism and Transport? No other Member? Minister. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Okay, Mr. Chairman. I will try to answer a few of the questio ns that have …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: I am s ure that my brother is not listening. But if he were, I am sure he would a ppreciate that. A couple of questions were asked. Let us see. Let us see what I have here. Let us go through …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: I am optimistic that, hopefully, in terms of budgeting, we will save maybe be-tween $50,000 and $100,000, which will be poured into the training of people who want to go into the i ndustry. [Pause]
Ms. Leah K. Scott Certified waiter. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes. I am just looking. Give me a second, if you do not mind, Mr. Chairman, just to look through some of my notes. 746 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Pause] Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: …
The Chairman Chairman With just under three hours remai ning, would any other Member care to speak? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Mr . Chairman. My question with respect to the . . . let me just find it.
The Chairman Chairman [Cost centre] 58010, I think, page B - 197, I think you asked a question in relation to? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes. Yes. That has not been answered.
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member care to speak? Honourable Member from constituency 10, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the answers by the Minister. Just to remind the Honourable Minister that I asked questions about the cruise ship taxes that were …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member care of speak? I recognise the Opposition Leader. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to follow up on my colleague, Michael Dunkley, the Honourable Member, when he was speaking to the grant. I noticed in the Budget Stat ement this …
The Chairman Chairman On page C -18, it says $22.5 [million]. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry. I am looking at the actual 2017/18. I f you look at the Statement it says it is going from $26 million. So, the actual was . . . in the Budget Book, it says $25 million. …
The Chairman Chairman You mean the brief? I would say we are not debating the brief. We are debating the Bud get Book. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. But there is a di screpancy in the numbers.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: There is a discrepancy in the numbers. It says $26 million to $22.5, page 41 of the Budget Statement. But if you look on page C -18 [of the Budget Book], it says $25 million down to $22.5 million. So, I am just trying to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Would any other Member care to speak? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. Mr. Chairman, if you see on page C -18, it is $22.5 million. So, $25 mi llion was for the 2017/18 Budget.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Right.
The Chairman Chairman And just for clarification, Members, the Budget Statement is just that, a statement. The Budget Book is what we are debating. And if there was something that needed to be corrected, which has been done over many years, it would come in an erratum, which would be inserted into the …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: If the Statement . . . there should have been in a clause in the Statement then to say that it should not be $26 million; it should be $25 million.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So, I am trying to figure out which one is correct. Everything else that I have heard is irrelevant. If the Statement s ays one thing and the Budget Book says another, we are referring to the Budget, I am trying to find out which …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Honourable Member. Any other Member care to speak to Head 48, Tourism and Transport? Honourable Member, constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to do something which, and I am conscious of the fact that I am having to look at the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: What I want to find out is, why are there no performance measures for these types of grants? Surely, when money is given out, there is an indication as to what value you think that you are going to get, whether it be the number …
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just on page B -196, and I believe this probably will go under advertising and promotion. I know that the majority of the tourism investment dollars were spent in the markets for New York and Boston. But it was indicated that other jurisdictions will be targeted …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Member care to address Head 48? Minister. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To the Honourable O pposition Leader’s question. And I can see why he is getting a little confused. Because what happened is, year before last, we had Tourism and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes. Yes. That is correct. American Airlines, the loss of flight. Well, the Honourable Member, I think it was Honourable Mem-ber Dunkley who asked the question. The Honourable Member probably does not realise this, but let us point it out to him. We …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would any other Member care to speak? Honourable Member from constituency 10, you have the fl oor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am incredulous. I stand here this morning and I hear the Minister endeavour to give answers about budgets that are allocated …
The Chairman Chairman All right, Honourable Member. If you can say — [Crosstalk] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And to say that they should know what the numbers were —I am getting to the point, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, stay focused on the budget. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman You are drifting a bit. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, Mr. Chairman, ma ybe I am learning from you.
The Chairman Chairman Well, I am not speaking . . . Honour able Member, have a seat. I am trying to stick and keep this Budget Debate on track on numbers and not let it drift into a general debate and wide- ranging, whilst trying . . . and I will be honest …
The Chairman Chairman We are on Head 48. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We are on Head 48 , and I am talking right now about the $2 million for the triat hlon.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Continue. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I think it is poor performance for the Minister to say, just generally, just like the OBA should have done it, you know, for grandstands, for concessions, and things like that. I want to know how the spending has changed, where the spending …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We hope the champion can win it again here this year. But this is a Budget Debate. So, if the Mini ster says, We’re spending it exactly like it was spent in the past, I will accept that answer. But I have not heard that …
The Chairman Chairman What is the question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Is the $2 million being spent in exactly the same way it was spent under the OBA? Now, Mr. Chairman, moving on. I am still looking for some background information on the cruise ships. How we came to that tax level. How …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Chai rman. Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Gover nment Whip. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. And as the Chairman of the Airport Authority, w ho overseas Skyport and over750 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly seas the project agreement, under the project agreement it is Skyport’s responsibility to attract and incentivise airlift into …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that, Honourable Member. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Honourable Member could speak any time during the debate and bring up that point of order at the time. But I go back to what I …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, we are not g oing to have a back -and-forth general debate. I will say this. The Honourable Member gave a point of order because he was in a position of knowing to be able t o give you probably the most informed answer to the question. If …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Chai rman. Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Honourable Member is misleading the House yet again. The Government has put up money when they should not have had to in order to make sure that the country does not fail. And that means that we have to support Skyport. We are in negotiations. We are working very …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, may I ask you not to try to [impute] improper motives of the Gover nment? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Oh, I am not doing that,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman But just speak to and ask any questions that you— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Oh, I am not doing that,
Mr. Chairman. I am just asking. The Chairman Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now we get an answer. So, I ask a question to the Honourable Member who just spoke and the Minist er, How much mo ney has Government put up? And what the Honourable Member, MP Scott, referred to, how much money is put up? And …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And so, if the working rel ationship is not as strong as it should be, it is under the Government’s leadership to make that relationship strong. We believe in the deal that was signed. We believe that it is a very proactive deal going forward. …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Member care to speak before we go to the Minister? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Getting back to the question that I asked with respect to page B -197, the Transportation Planning Team, having looked back into transport, I did not see any reference to …
The Chairman Chairman Right. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 6. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, let me just say a little about the cruise ship fees. As you are aware, I am the Chairman of the Efficiency Committee. And …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member care to speak? Honourable Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. Mr. Chairman, every line item in this Budget Book does not have to have a performance measure. If you go through this book, you will see it. They do not have to.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Honourable Shadow Minister.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Mr. Chairman, on page B- 196, under the Revenue Summary, in last year’s budget, 2017, there was a line item for vacation rentals. And there is not one here for 2018. Has that moved somewhere else? And then, I have another question. Out of the total budget allocation to the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A couple of things, Mr. Chairman. The triat hlon. Honourable Member Dunkley asked what are we doing differently . Are things going to be less? Are they going to be the same? They are actually …
The Chairman Chairman Government Whip. The Chair reco gnises the Government Whip.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I just want to speak to page B-196, Grants and Contributions, whi ch is [page] C -18 [of the Budget Book]. And also speaking to the Member from constituency 10, to give just a bit of bac kground on where we are. The Bermuda Airport A uthority, the Bermuda Tourism …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. Yes, sir.
The Chairman Chairman We are into the Budget, not doing a general debate.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott No. I am speaking to Grants and Contributions, page B -196.
The Chairman Chairman What is your question on that?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Well, I am actually providing an answer to the Member who asked a question to the 754 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Government about the Grants and Contributions when it comes to the airport.
The Chairman Chairman Be specific.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I am. And I am also speaking on [page] C -18 of the Budget Book. So, therefore, we are stopping the gover nment from spending unnecessarily when it comes to the Grants and C ontributions on that one. Now, also what happens is that, regardless of whether you believe that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any other speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member, Ms. Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Athe rden: Thank you, Mr. [Chai rman]. I will be very specific so that I can get an answer.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Please do. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: With respect to C -118 [sic], in terms of —
The Chairman Chairman C-18? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: C-18, with respect to the World Triathlon series, I am pleased that the Minister told us what happened last year from PwC. What I am trying to find out now is that, the grant has been given. What type of increased air arrivals are we …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Minister. Mr. De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Well, that is an interesting question, because one of the things that I did research when I took over the Ministry was that I looked at some of the past press …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, Ms. Scott.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one question that I think the Minister missed, and it would be from page B -195, under [cost centre] 58000, Administration. Out of the total budget last year, $3.1 million was granted for the product and experience development. What amount is being all ocated for …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member, Ms. Susan Jackson. You have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question would, I believe, come under Grants and Contributions, [page] B -196. I personally have not heard that much about the Event Authority during this Budget Debate. And I was just wondering if I might be able to get an update —
The Chairman Chairman What line item on page B -196?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Well, it would come under Grants and Contributions, [page] B -196, I would suspect. But I guess one of my questions is, when the Event Authority does start, what line item would it fall under? And then, if we could maybe get an update on the progress of that Authority, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: There was no mention of the Event Authority in my brief at all. So, you know, that is just a non- issue for me. Bermuda House of Assembly The answer to the product development (I believe you asked, MP Scott) is yes. That …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises Ms. Scott.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you. Again, going back to page B -195, [cost centre] 4801, Administration. It was $3.1 million, and that is my understanding. It was $3.1 million in 2017, and it has gone down to $1.2 million for this year. Why is there a decrease?
The Chairman Chairman Where are you reading from, Ms. Scott?
Ms. Leah K. Scott It would come under Administr ation, on B -195. So, the question I had asked was, u nder the total funds allocated to the BTA, $3.1 [million] of that was allocated for the product [ and experience development ]. Now it is $1.2 million, so I just want to know …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair rec ognises the Honourable Member, Ms. Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, this is under Grants and Contributions on B -196. So, does that mean that there is not an appetite, that we are not going to have an Event Author ity? The Ch airman: Minister. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: To have an Event Author …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, you have the fl oor. Do you want to wrap up? Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. [Chairman]. Mr. [Chairman], before I move that we end the debate, I would just like to thank Members for their contributions. And …
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to move the head? Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes. I would like to move that Head 48 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Head 48 has been moved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Head 48 is approved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Tourism and Transport, Head 48, Headquarters , was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expendi-ture for the year 2019/20.]
The Chairman Chairman Deputy Premier. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Deputy Speaker and Chairman, I do move that we adjourn for lunch until 2:00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman We will adjourn until two o’clock. And we will come back, and we will do Education, Heads 16, 17, 18, 19 and 41. We now adjourn for lunch. Proceedings suspended at 12:29 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:06 pm [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. And at 2:05 pm you will commence. This is a four -hour debate. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, today I am pleased to present the budget of the Ministry of Ed ucation, which comprises the Ministry of Education Headquarters, Head 16; the Department of Education, …
Mr. Peter Sousa. The other members are Mrs. R omelle Warner, Deputy Chair; Mrs. Cherie Dill; Mr. Thomas Famous; Ms. Delight Morris; Mr. Jerome Reid, Jr.; Mr. Bruce Sharpe; Mrs. Kathleen Sharpe - Keane; Mr. Nasir Wade; Mrs. Valerie RobinsonJames, Permanent Secretary of Education (ex officio); Mrs. Malika Cartwright, National Training Board Representative; The Honourable Randolph Horton, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . Are there any other Members that wish to speak to the respective Heads?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair now recognises the Shadow Minister of Education, the Honourable Cole S imons. You have the floor, sir.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons [Microphone off] . . . t he exercise, yet again. First of all, I would like to begin by stating that I am del ighted that the Plan 2022 has, basically, taken grips. And when I first reviewed the Budget Book I saw that all Heads, visions, and objectives were …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, just for a point of clarification, which line are you dealing with right now?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Line 26000.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You said 260.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Sorry, 26000.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So what does he expect to achieve in 2019? He gave us a clear indication of what was achieved in 2018, but what can we expect in 2019? As far as the staffing complement, I see we increased the staff for that area from three to seven, up 133 per …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What line item is that?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons It is under . . . the same . . . 26000.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is not under that line item.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I will continue, Mr. Chairman. That is my question, what is going on in regard to the settlement and how much does . . . how much did the Minister pay for that because they were public funds? The other issue I would like to address ––it is like all …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister of Education. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Again, what . . . I just want to know what business unit he is speaking to? If he is talking about . . . he was talking about the Headquarters, now he is talking about the Department …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No, no, no, no, no. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —if he has moved on to talk about the Commissioner, whose budget comes under the Department of Education, not the Ministry of Education, then just keep us . . . just keep us in line so we can follow. [Inaudible …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister Simons, you are dealing with 26000, General Administration, right now, are you still there?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons That is right, General Admi nistration, Mr. Chairman. And General Administration can include leadership in providing guidance and su pport to the Headquarters executive team. And that is where I am going.
The Chairman Chairman You may continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, Mr. Chairman, again, I think this is crucial. We recently have had issues with the vote of no confidence by the Bermuda Union of Teachers, and to me the biggest challenge is not nec-essarily the capabilities of the professional leadership of the department. I think the biggest challenge that …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman, I am talking about General Administration. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: He is talking about the Headquarters —seven employees, Cole. You were the Minister. You know where everyone sits.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Okay, just have a seat there, Shadow Minister. Minister, your concern, again, is what? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: My concern, Mr. Chairman, is the Shadow Minister keeps talking about things that fall under the Department of Education while he is still talking about Head 16. If he is going …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Can you move on —
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —Mr. Chairman, as I said earlier —
The Chairman Chairman —Shadow Minister, please?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —we are talking about the strategic leadership and direction of the Ministry of Education through its Headquarters. And, as a cons equence, what I am trying to do is to make sure that the senior team in Headquarters gets the skills and support that they ne ed to do a …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I will be moving to that next.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Shadow Minister. Shadow Minister, hold on a second. Are you going to move to that section?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I want to finish where I am first because at the end of the day the leadership of the Department . . . of the Headquart ers, is led by the PS—
The Chairman Chairman Are you at the point now where you can wrap that up and move forward?
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Well, I will allow you to —
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I would like to ensure —
The Chairman Chairman —please let us wrap that up and move forward.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —that the PS has more support from a leadership point of view, from a training point of view, and developmental point of view. Like all professionals . . . we all need it. We need guidance and support, and I think she could do with some of that help.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who is “she”?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons “She” is the PS. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, I demand that this man show the Permanent Secretary of Education the respect that she is due.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I have no problem. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I do not want to hear him referring to anyone in our department as “she.”
The Chairman Chairman Okay, look, when . . . also, when we get on our feet, can you state the nature of why you are getting on your feet, please?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman, I have the all respect —
The Chairman Chairman You know, if it is a point of order —no, hold on, sit down, Shadow Minister. If it is a point of order please state it and state the reasons for your point of order. Let us keep the proper decorum here.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman, I have all the respect for the PS, the Permanent Secretary, and I know, as a professional, I need support and guidance and I need to be sharpened up e very now and then. And so, I think she, like every other professional, should get the support that …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I know that the y have had, you know, issues in regard to— 770 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —in regard to the Union. And, you know, I said that it is unfortunate, and I believe that they need the support so that it does not happen again. And I will say t he same thing when I get to the Commissioner of Education, because I know that the …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —I am now on Head 17.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Okay.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay? Head 17.
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons First of all, I would like to, again, as I say, commend the Commissioner of Education for maintaining a tight ship financially. It is diff icult in these trying times. And the fact that she has so many people reporting to her, so many priorities, I think t hat it …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister Simons, there has been a general trend here on both sides to migrate in the Committee to debates, and an excess of co mments, observations and analysis that quite rightly belong in the realm of the general debate. And both sides have been doing it over the last …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With that . . . I accept the Chairman’s comments, and so I am going to put this question to the Minister: Now that we have a transition and implementation plan, how much does he think will be allotted for each year? And how much does …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am asking that because I would like to see whether we have many new teac hers in the p ipeline and [what are] their opportunities for them when they return home given that there possibly could be a team of expatriate teachers within our system. So if he can …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Shadow Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Have you moved on now to Educ ational Standards? Or are you still on School Improv ements?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am on School Improv ements. This is all part of School Improvements.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I am just seeking some clarif ication. Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay? And so, as I said, we have . . . we were going to develop a comprehensive plan that will focus on improving the teaching of mathematics in our schools. And the Minister said last year that he would keep us abreast of where thi ngs stood in that …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, what is the point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Our . . . he . . . the Shadow Minister is misleading the House. Are we having a general debate of how money was spent last year? Or are we having a debate …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, well, I did address that with him. I do not know if it —
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman I do not know if we can characterise him as misleading the House in that regard. You can have your seat, sir.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman, what I am tr ying to do is this. Last year the Minister m ade a number of commitments. I have seen some of his commi tments, again, this year. They have not been delivered. So how am I to believe—
The Chairman Chairman Well, now, hold on . . . both of you. Have a seat. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Cole, you can ask parli amentary questions if you want, not during the debate.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I mean . . . okay, hold up, hold up. Gentlemen. Gentlemen . . . gentlemen— [Gavel]
The Chairman Chairman Like I said, we have traditionally, hi storically, had some leeway in this regard, particularly over the last few years. Shadow Minister, if you would have maybe elucidated some of that in your opening comments it is fine, but by this time you should be into the . . . …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Chairman, I take your point but —
The Chairman Chairman But let us . . . can—
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —like I say, numbers reflect action. Numbers reflect action and priorities.
The Chairman Chairman Well, we are hearing very few numbers at all, so— Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Well, the Minister is supposed to give those numbers —
The Chairman Chairman Can you tie . . . attempt to tie them all together?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So what I can easily do . . . and I can sa y that this head had “X” -thousand dollars, they were down 10 per cent or 5 per cent and those are the numbers, because that is the overarching for that particular section of the Ministry.
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I can easily do that and then talk about the action behind the numbers.
The Chairman Chairman Yeah, well please try to adhere to that. Thank you . You may continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. Mr. Chairman, I would like to now move to Substitutes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What was that agai n?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Substitutes, 1701, 27160, page B -145. For your sake, there was an allotment of $639,000. In 2018, there was an allotment of $3.05 million, down 79 per cent, and as the Minister said that the $2.4 [million] was transferred to the Paraprofessionals. Those are the numbers, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So my question . . . I find this transfer interesting, because, in essence, we reduced the number of substitute teachers. And, as you said earlier, schools have a genuine need of coverage for teachers who are either sick or need to take time away from sch ool for various …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Well, I do not . . . if he gave me a brief, I would be able to read it. But he did not share the brief with me so I cannot read it. I have to go by memory and notes.
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The other question that I have is . . . I did not see an allotment for the Orient ation Workshop for Uncertified Substitute Teachers. Can he give us an update on the workshops for sub-stitute teachers in general and how much was allotted for training and an orientation workshop …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -145?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Page B -145, Behavioural Management, at line 27061. Can the Minister provide details on the r esearch that he has found in regards to alternative school models in his preparation for transforming our alternative education programmes? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons What does this have to do with the budget? the Minister said. Well, guess what, Mr. Chairman? At the end of the day we are in the midst of delivering the 2022 Plan—the educational strategic plan— and in that Plan there is an accommodation for this. And I am asking …
Mr. N. H. Co le Simons As long as it takes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of order, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman What is the point of order, Minister? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I think the Shadow Minister is misleading the House. I did not rush through my brief. I cannot help it if he was not listening.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Shadow Minister, are you prepared to pr oceed once more?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Of course, I a m prepared to proceed.
The Chairman Chairman We are still at 27061, Behavioural Management, or have you moved on?
The Chairman Chairman No? Okay. Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, we are still there. We are talking about educational therapists as well.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So right now we have a number of educational therapists in the system and they basically provide support to high- risk students. How many students do we have in this programme? What is the caseload? I just want to make sure that the educational therapists are not stretched too far …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One forty -five.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —B-145, School Psychol ogists, 27063. School psychologists play a vital role in the execution of our aims and objectives, and they support our schools’ commitment to all students in the public education system. The school psychologists support school administrators and students in the ar eas of behaviour, mental health and …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I did not interrupt you when you gave your presentation. [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. So, we continue. I would like to now move on to Counselling, 27072. [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons For Counselling, there was an allotment of $2.884 million. The Counselling pr ogramme provides our students with a multi tude of d irect and indirect counselling services and activities that are an integral component of the public education system. We provide funds for 10 middle school counsellors and two counsellors …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am sorry —for the teaching of autistic students, and paras. Actually, it is interes ting that you raise this point, that you raise “ autistic teachers .” Because I was speaking to— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons If you will allow me one m inute. I was speaking to a neighbour, and her son is autistic. And I said to her, How is your son doing? And she said to me, Oh, he graduates in April. I said, What is he going to do next? She said, …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons They have different [teac hing] styles, but they are getting and taking their rightful places beside us. So, Minister, thank you for allowing me to share this with the community. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, again, training, training, training. Dame Marjorie Bean Hope Academy. At one point, I understand, they were looking for a designated classroom for the autistic students. Where do things stand in that space? Are we in a position to provide them with one? When can they expect to receive one? …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Just getting up, were you? So, my question is, can the Minister quantify the total cost of the transfer from Southside to Church Street? The Minister indicated that $176,000 in the budget was attributed to rental increase. What was the rent at Southside, and what is the current rent being …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What line item are we talking about?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Office Accommodation, 27003. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No. You did not listen to my question. Listen to my question. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: That is why I am asking for clarity.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons My question is, What was the cost to transfer offices from Southside to Hamilton? What was the rent that you paid at Southside, and what is the rent that you are currently paying at Hamilton? I f you had stated it in the brief, I would have known there was …
The Chairman Chairman Gentlemen, can you speak to the Chair, please. 1 Official Hansard Report 9 March 2018, page 1564 Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Okay. Educational Stores, business unit 27040. There was an allotment of $790,000. The Educational Stores supports salaries of stores managers, stor ekeepers, drivers, labo urers, and the clean- …
The Chairman Chairman Which business unit are you addres sing now?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am now moving on to bus iness unit 27042, Buildings, Grounds and Equipment. This allotment funds the salary of the Facilities Ma nager. The remainder of the budget covers the cost of repairs and maintenance of facilities at all educational and administrative sites that fall under the Department of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Which training was that?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons S-E-I-K [sic]. Okay. The other issue, I think I touched on this earlier on the Inquiring Minds Framework. Has the training programme been cascaded down to all of the teachers? I think we addressed this already, so I will pass on. Now we move on to Primary Schools. That is …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Right. Primary Schools, on page 146. The total allotment is $30,073,000, down 1 per cent. Mr. Chairman, al l 18 primary schools should have school improvement plans that the parents, guardians, community partners and the general public have access to. Have these three- year deve lopment plans been made available …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would you like to continue?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Indeed, I will. So, I am not going to harp much on the trans ition because, at the end of the day, a lot has been said in the public domain about middle schools. And the Minister knows, quite frankly, where most of Bermuda stands on this issue. So, it …
The Chairman Chairman Please take your seat. Yes, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The clarification is that this Honourable Member knows where the public stands on middle school transformation, as well, by the r esults of the 2017 election. The public overwhelmingly voted for this Government, who stated that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Now, I would like to move on to . . . while on middle schools, there is another sens itive issue t hat needs to be addressed. This sensitive issue has to do with a transition from an “aided” mi ddle school to a “maintained” middle school. And why do …
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order? Take your seat, please, Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The point of order, Madam Chairman, is I believe the Member may be unintentionally misleading the House, because he just made an untrue statement. There is no aided middle school …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No, you did not hear. This is not what I am saying.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Obviously, the Minister is not listening. What I said was that there was an aided school whose property was owned by trustees and was recently purchased by the government. And so, as a consequence, it qualifies as a maintained school. So, my question is, given that it is a new …
The Chairman Chairman Member, the Minister would just like an update on the line item. You did clearly mention the head, but the line item, please.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay, just a moment. I will be happy to do that. We were talking about middle schools, and we were talking about . . . if he wants to be specific, I was talking about 27600. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Does he want any more clar ity? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. Now, let us move on to Senior Schools. Actually, I do not have much to say about senior schools, so I will pass over that. [Programme] 1709.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Curriculum Assessment, 1709, page 147. The total allotment was $2.555 mi llion. This cost centre funds the Cambridge Inter national Curriculum, related initiatives, salaries for educational officers for the curriculum and assessment, and the Career Pathways Programme. This depar tment pays an annual fee to Cambridge International for the curriculum …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Just academic.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Just academic. [There were] 198 student awards. My question is this: What percentage of the school population is on scholarships, if we know that ans wer?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Awards?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Both scholarships and awards. What percentage of our student population is on scholarships and awards? Because that would determine how much further we have to go if we are tr ying to make it more affordable to more people. I am delighted that we have more students in the dual …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. The other thing that I find interesting is that the College provides financial aid. And they have been doing it for a while. Last year, I think they gave $50,000. I think with all of the grants, scholarships, financial help that is provided by go vernment, and the private …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I know that the College also is an accredited testing and assessment centre. And I think there is a great opportunity for them to increase or boost their revenue, because there is a need for a responsible testing and assessment centre that meets its national criteria. I know that the …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Libraries and Archives. As a custodian of our distant past and our recent history, the Libraries and Arc hives of Bermuda are a key r esource for all Bermudians who wish to gain a better understanding of who they are individually and collec-tively. Indeed, this demonstrates the crucial role that …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Oh. I know that the Parli ament is going through some changes. And our library system is challenged at this point. And I want to know whether the Parliamentary Library and the Parliamen-tary Archives will be something that could be consi dered for management under the library and its team. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there anyone else who would like to speak? The Member from constituency 12, the Honourable Craig Cannonier, Opposition Leader. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I was just on page B -145, under 27160, Su bstitutes. I recognise, and the Honourable Member did …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would anyone else wish to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 19, Jeanne Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. 784 4 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly I have just a few questions. The first one r elates to, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Would anyone else like to speak to the heads? All right. We are debating the heads under Education, Heads 16, 17, 18, 19 and 41. With no other speakers, Minister, would you like to take the floor? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. There …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, if you would not mind. Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I believe that the Minister is misleading the House. I did not indicate. I asked you whether, based on the fact that there is now an indicati on that perhaps at the middle school . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Bermuda House of Assembly I am sure that, when we receive the Hansard later this week, we will hear that Honourable Member say, middle school, and what are we doing to start it earlier in the …
The Chairman Chairman Point of clarific ation. Minister, thank you. All right. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Because there has always been a concern about the number of people who are actually in there, I was asking the Minister whether he could clarify for the people of Bermuda how many people …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And I will get that complete answer. But, from the Budget Book, I think it is clear for us to . . . I need to make it clear to the public, as the Honourable Member …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Madam Chairman, he is mi sleading the House. [Inaudible interjection] POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I asked the question. I did not say they were not. I just asked the question, were they getting the support they need in regard to leadership and professional development?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And the answer is yes. Madam Chairman, again, speaking to the question about aligning the organisational structure with Plan 2022, I just want to reiterate to the listening public and to Members opposite, the Ministry of E ducation is responsible for …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes. I wanted to thank the Minister for his response. The answers have provided great insight as to what is going on. One thing that he raised that caught my attention was the Quality Assurance Of ficer for the pr eschools. I think he indicated that it would cover private …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. The easy way to answer that question is that those policies are being looked at now in conjunction with, not just the Ministry of Education, but also the Ministry of Health, and with the Child and Family Services, as …
The Chairman Chairman Would anyone else like to speak? The Member from constituency 19. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Obviously, I am listening to the Minister as it relates to all of the primary schools that are going to be rolled out with respect to the STEAM education. So that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would anyone else like to speak? Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, speaking of the ASD pr ogramme, as the Member noted, it was in the Budget Book because it is something that is being developed. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would anyone else like to ask questions? Would anyone want to speak? Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Once again, I want to thank everyone for this robust debate. I think we all recognise how important education is. …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 16, 17, 18, 19 and 41 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Education, Heads 16, 17, 18, 19 and 41 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again on Wednesday, 6 …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the matters that were discussed today, the two heads that were discussed, being reported to the House? No objections. So done. That now brings us to the next order on the Order Paper today. And the next orders are all being carried over, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Any objection to that? No objections. Are any Members speaking to that? None. This brings us to a close of the day’s Orders. Thank you, Members. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Have a good evening. [At 5:47 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Wednesday, 6 March 2019.]
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