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House of Assembly Session 2018/2019 688 speeches

March 1, 2019

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The Premier announced a new strategic plan for government reform aimed at creating a "future-forward government" with better processes, technology, and employee training. The Finance Minister provided an update on the Casino Gaming Commission's work, including ongoing casino licensing investigations and efforts to secure banking relationships. The Deputy Premier presented a controversial bill to end municipal elections in Hamilton and St. George's, replacing elected officials with government appointees while promising no job losses or asset seizures.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 1, 2019
Session 2018/2019
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Speakers 27
Speeches 688

Key Topics

Government reform plan to modernize public service operations and improve efficiencyCasino Gaming Commission update on licensing process and responsible gambling programsMunicipal reform bill to end elections in Hamilton and St. George's corporationsArts and culture initiatives including literary awards and public art programsDisaster preparedness and emergency planning activities

Bills & Motions

Municipalities Reform Act 2019 - tabled to repeal elections in Hamilton and St. George's corporations
Bermuda Immigration and Protection (Land-Holding Charges) Amendment Regulations 2019 - paper submitted for consideration

Notable Moments

The Deputy Premier emphasized there would be "no asset grab" and "no job losses" in response to public concerns about municipal reform
Arts Minister announced winners of the 2018 Bermuda Literary Awards, including prizes for books on local history and culture
National Security Minister outlined extensive disaster planning including cruise ship emergency procedures and counter-terrorism exercises with the US

Debate Transcript

688 speeches from 27 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, M embers. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 22 February 2019]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes of February 22 nd have been circulated. Are there any omissions or corrections? There are none. The Minutes are confirmed as printed. [Gavel] [Minutes of 22 February 2019 confirmed] ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker There are two announcements this morning. The first is that we have received word from Member Tyrrell that he will be absent today. Also, Member S. D. Richards has indicated that he will be absent, as well, today. EXTENSION OF THE JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE EVENTS OF THE 2ND …
The Speaker The Speaker The second [announcement] is that the Joint Select Committee on the events of the 2nd of December 2016 has been given a three- month extension. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There is one paper to be communicated this morning. And that is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue. BERMUDA IMMIGRATION AND PROTECTION (LAND -HOLDING CHARGES) AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2019 Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Const itution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are six Statements this morning. The first is in the name of the Premier. Premier, would you like to present your Statement this morning? Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Abso lutely, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. 598 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly GOVERNMENT REFORM STRATEGIC PLAN Hon. E. David Burt: I rise this morning to inform this Honourable House that a strategic plan for Go vernment Reform has been finalis ed and implementation will now commence. Mr. Speaker, Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. The second Statement on the Order Paper this morning is in the name of the M inister of Finance. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. UPDATE ON THE WORK OF THE BERMUDA CASINO GAMING COMMISSION Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide this Honourable House and the listening public with an update on the work of the Ber muda C asino Gaming Commission [the Commission] and also provide an …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Minister who has a Statement this morning is the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. THE BILL ENTITLED MUNICIPALITIES REFORM ACT 2019 Hon. Walter Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker , as the Order Paper indicates, I will today table a Bill …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. The next Statement this morning on the Order Paper is that of the Minister of Community and Cultural Affairs. Minister Foggo, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the House. Good morning to the li stening …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. UPDATES ON COMMUNITY AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS PROGRAMMES Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Speaker , I am most pleased to rise today to provide this Honourable House with an update on the work being done at the Department of Community and Cultural Affairs , and by so doing attest …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Minister who has a Statement down this morning is the Minister of National Security. Minister Caines. Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. DISASTER RISK REDUCTION AND MITIGATION TEAM UPDATE Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Sp eaker, I rise this morning to update this Honourable House on the work performed by the Disaster Risk Reduction and Mitigation [DRRM] team during the first two months of this year and the activities scheduled for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The final Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Education. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues. Good morning, Berm uda.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. 2018/19 FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR BERMUDA COLLEGE STUDENTS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker , I rise before this Honourable House to provide a final report on the 2018 /19 Government Grant awarded to Bermuda College for the purpose of offering financial support to its students. Mr. Speaker …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That brings us to a close of the Statements this morning. ANNOUNC EMENT BY SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker But before I move on to the next item on the Order Paper, I would just like to acknowledge that in the Gallery this morning we have from the Parks Department Mr. Roger Parris and Mr. Sam Santucci, who are supervisors of the Bermuda Skills D evelopment Programme. But the …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker The Question Period is on the Order Paper this morning. There is a written question from the Honourable Member Dunkley to the Honourable Premier. I understand that the response to that is a ctually going to be held over until Monday. It is a written response that we will receive …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Statement indicated that the C ommission had engaged discussions with the three local banks, in regard to the Gaming Commission. Can the Mini ster tell us, what was achieved at those meetings and what were the measurable outcomes as a result of the meetings with …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, the Commi ssion met with the banks to discuss the provision of local banking services to the casino industry. The fundamental issue around correspondent banking r emains a roadblock. A nd I think the first step is to kind of understand …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, what plans do we have to address t his challenge, going forward?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: We will continue to engage banks to work through the challenges of finding an appropriate correspondent bank. And we will u pdate the House as progress is made.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons New question.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. 608 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON THE WORK OF THE BERMUDA CASINO GAMING COMMISSION
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The Statement says, “Further discussions will be carried out with the BMA [Bermuda Monetary Authority] as banking regulator and the US correspondent banks.” Has the commission met with any US correspondent banks at this point in time?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The Commission did i ndeed meet with the correspondent bank as far back as November or December of 2016, when the issue around correspondent banks had been flagged to the Commission, [to] the prior chairman at that time.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or a new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Which corresponding banks did they meet with, and what was the outcome of those meetings?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, w e met with the Bank of New York. The outcome of those meetings was that we continued to look for a correspondent bank. At the time of those meetings, which was when I was actually leading the effort as an employee at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Has the issue of banking for the gami ng industry been discussed with the Sign ature Bank of New York?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Not to my knowledge.
The Speaker The Speaker New question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Are they going to pursue this avenue?
The Speaker The Speaker That was a new question, you know. Because we are going to — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no. You had your two supplementaries. That was a new question. That is your third question.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. My third question.
The Speaker The Speaker That is your third question. So, you can let him answer it now, or you can continue with that.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons My third question.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Well, do your third question. Do your third question then. QUESTION 3: UPDATE ON THE WORK OF THE BERMUDA CASINO GAMING COMMISSION
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Are you going to pursue this possibility with the Signature Bank now that they are looking at the FinTech industry? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I think that is a wonderful suggestion. I might take the Member up on that.
The Speaker The Speaker Any more questions? Minister, you have another Member who would like to put questions to you on your Statement this morning. It is the Member from constituency 10. Would you like to put your question, Member? QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON THE WORK OF THE BERMUDA CASINO GAMING COMMISSION Hon. Michael …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I do not have those figures at my disposal. Can I get back to the Honourable Member with the answer?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I accept that answer, Mr. Speaker, and I look forward to the commitment. But, supplementary, which the Honourable Minister probably will not be able to answer. But I would ask that he get back when he does with the …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, why do you not hold that until he gets that information back to you then? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But there is a second question, which I am sure he will need to get the answer back, as well.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And that is, do all of the applicants lack suitability?
The Speaker The Speaker All right . So, that is your supplementary to the information he is looking for. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is correct. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Now, put your second question. QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON THE WORK OF THE BERMUDA CASINO GAMING COMMISSION Hon. Mic hael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Honourable Minister: Can the Honourable Minister give his reasoning and understanding of why it has been so hard to attract …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I will take them in the order in which they were asked. I will certainly get back to the Member with respect to confir ming why applicants were not successful in the process. It could have been either not being suitable or not …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkle y: Yes, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. Now that we have gone into the engagement process for an executive recruiter, what is the budget for that process?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, as with the prior questions, I will undertake to get back to the Honourable Member with an answer to that question.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary on that one? Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Has a firm been identif ied as of yet?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I will get back with to the Honourable Member with the answer to that one, as well.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No further questions? We will now move on to the next Statement that there wer e questions for. And we will go to the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, the Opposition Leader would like to put a question to you in regard to your Stat ement this morning. Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: To be precise to the question, the overseeing of the World Heritage designation has been, not in the hands directly of the Corporation of St. George’s, but [in the hands of] a committee themselves. And they had responsibilities for maintaining the requirements to maintain the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, new question.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. QUESTION 2: THE BILL ENTITLED MUNICIPALITIES REFORM ACT 2019 Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Further on down, the Honourable Member states, “ As a result, the Government intends to give greater authority to the Corporation of St. George’s, both legislatively and financially .” I can understand “ financially,” what …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you for the question, Mr. Speaker. We intend to give the future corporations the legal authority over the management of the World Heritage Site designati on.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, that is good.
The Speaker The Speaker No further questions? Good. We will move on to the next Statement this morning. Minister of National Security, there are actua lly three Members who hav e indicated that they have questions for you today. And the first is in the name of the Member from constituency 31. Honourable Member …
Mr. Ben Smith Good morning, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. Mr. Speaker, can I have the Honourable Mi nister provide what the budget is for 2018/19 for the DRRM?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: The DRRM does not have a budget, per se. At this present moment, Mr. Speaker, we have taken members under secondment from specific government departments. For example, a person from the Customs Department will sit in the office. A person from the Police Service will sit …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. Ben Smith Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Honourable Minister be able to provide an estimated amount that has been spent so far for this? Hon. Wayne Caines: Again, so far, there is not a specific budget that has been set. There has not been a budget that was set aside. T …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary?
Mr. Ben Smith Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary.
Mr. Ben Smith The funds, will they be taken from other departments? So, are you able to— Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne Caines: At this point, the salaries of each person in the DRRM come from their individual departments, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementar y? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary, okay. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary. Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, considering that these individuals are actually doing work for this new entity, is it reasonable to expect that funds will be vired from these initial ministries to the now -revised ministry r esponsibility? Hon. Wayne …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question? No, you used all of your supplem entaries. New question?
Mr. Ben Smith New question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 2: DISASTER RISK REDUCTION AND MITIGATION TEAM UPDATE
Mr. Ben Smith I am wondering if the Honourable Minister is able to give us a breakdown of the perso nnel who are being used from all of the different departments.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: There is a principal Customs officer, Kelly Trott, representing Customs. There is a division fire officer, Mr. Furbert, who represents the fire department. There is Wa rrant Officer Class Two Rubaine, who represents the Bermuda Regiment. There is Mr. Steve Cosham, who is the head of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? No further questions? Thank you. Minister, the next individual, the next Member who indicated he had a question for you is the Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley. QUESTION 1: DISASTER RISK REDUCTION AND MITIGATION TEAM UPDATE Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: That is actually a brilliant question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Oh, thank you very much. But I would not go that far. Hon. Patrici a J. Gordon -Pamplin: I would. Hon. Wayne Caines: The reason why it is a brilliant question is because that is what …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: And this was put on us at the last minute. We are putting together a team to be able 612 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly to regularise our international standards with r eference to disaster risk and reduction. And this is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I thank the Minister for the compliment. But the answer was really not that complete. So, supplementary question. Are those positions full -time within the DRRM? Hon. Wayne Caines: I really do not know how to break this down any further, you know. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, my suppl ementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pampli n: Yes, thank you. If the Minister can confirm that if they are s econded over, that presumably he is now saying that it is on a full- time basis. Then the initial premise ought to be that they must be paid. Therefore, …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. We have got your point. Hon. Wayne Caines: No. No, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Supplementary or new question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker This is your second supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Minister said in answer to a previous question that he is unable to say how much money has been spent. He was unable to say how much the budget is. So, can the …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, there is an opportunity for us to understand—understand what this Government is doing. There is an opportunity for us to create a disaster risk and reduction strategy for this nation. This was thrust on this Government in the middle of the fiscal year. We …
The Speaker The Speaker New question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker New question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, just to answer the question. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait now. Wait now. Let us understand where we are. We are on question- and-answer. You have had two supplementaries. If you want to get on your feet again, you have to put your second question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. QUESTION 2: DISASTER RISK REDUCTION AND MITIGATION TEAM UPDATE Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. The new question is, Will there be supplementaries in regard to this pr ogramme?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: No.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? We have two supplementaries. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, and I preface this by saying that if I did not hear this, then I apologise in the beginning. I have not heard any indication — [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I have not heard any ind ication that, with all the services that are covered, there is anyone there who has been seconded with respect to what I call the medical and social services area. Hon. Wayne Caines: At this stag e, Mr. Speaker, and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Would you like to put your supplementary now, Member? Yes. Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. My suppl ementary is in respect of the earlier answer, Mr. Speaker. And the question is, Has there been or is there overfunding in the Ministry of National Security …
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Second suppl ementary. The Minister has not answered the question. Is there funding and a funding excess in the Ministry of National Security so that that Ministry can pay people coming over? Or will there be a supplementary virement from their original ministry …
The Speaker The Speaker I think the answer thus far has been no on all of the other counts. But, Minister, would you like to clarify it? 614 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Cur tis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, perhaps I can help here.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Finance. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: There is no contemplation of any supplementals to the budget for 2018/19.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Bearing in mind that the areas that have been chosen–– I just cannot believe that, and I would like the Minister to indicate to me. Normally, when som ething constitutes a disaster, there is some sort of el …
The Speaker The Speaker I think you are stret ching the question a little bit, because it does not necessarily fall in line with his Statement. In his Statement, he spoke about the persons under his Ministry. Health is not necessarily under his Ministry. So, he is speaking to what he has put in …
The Speaker The Speaker Do you wa nt to adjust your question? No? All right. Minister, you still have another Member who has a question for you, though. We have the Member from constituency 8. Honourable Member Simons. QUESTION 1: DISASTER RISK REDUCTION AND MITIGATION TEAM UPDATE
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I acknowledge that the Mini ster is in transition in regard to the DRRM team. But my question is, in the interim, what cyber protocols and procedures are in place for each Ministry?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker , I have been in the House and I have done at least three Ministerial Statements with reference to what we are doing in cybersecurity, [in my] Ministerial Statements. I would urge that Member to have a listen the next time we give it. …
The Speaker The Speaker Now, now, now, just stick to the facts. Keep it to the facts. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, with the greatest of respect, we have shared with the House that we have a cybersecurity ministerial subcommittee that meets on a regular basi s. There was another person on our team. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, what international benchmarks are the plans and the protocols measured against?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: There is a global standard that is put together by NIST [National Institute of Stand-ards and Technology]. NIST is a national organisation that is responsible for cybersecurity. We also hav e the Commonwealth Telecommunications Organisation, which has worked with Bermuda to put together the National Cybersecurity …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question? New question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: So, with that in place, when can the Minister assure the government employees that all departments will be fitted with the National C ybersecurity Strategy? I know he is working on it. When does he envision having it completed …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: I did not get the question. Can you help me? I apologise, Mr. Speaker. Can you repeat the question for me, please?
The Speaker The Speaker He is looking for a timeline as to when it will be completed for each department. Hon. Wayne Caines: Each department has a strat egy. Each department has the parts of the strategy that are key for their ministry. It has been distilled down for that ministry. Let us just …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any further questions? No further questions. Minister, that completes the questions to you. The last Statement this morning which Members have indicated that they have questions for is that of the Minister of Education. Minister, the Honourable Member from constituency 8, Honourable Member Simons, would like to put …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Just one simple question. The Statement indicates, and I quote, “ The financial awards have ranged from 30 [per cent] to 80 per cent of a student’s educational costs . . . .” How does the awards committee define whether a student will get 30 per cent of the costs …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just as the way students apply for financial aid, they apply for access to these financial funds. It is the Bermuda College Admissions who will t hen determine whether their financial need is such that they …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, just a quick supplementary. Could the Minister confir m whether the determination is made based on combined family income? Or is it just specific to the student’s financial situation?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I would have to endeavour to get the criteria from the Bermuda College. But I have been assured that the purpose of these funds is to ensure that students who normally would not be able to afford to attend the Bermuda College …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The Minister has misled. We are not questioning anything with r espect to the people who — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker One second. One second. Let me hear her question out. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —with respect to the people who have gotten the benefits of the grant. The question was, simply, Is it based on family i ncome? We do not deny or begrudge anybody getting additional assistance. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, once again, I am at a loss to understand why we want to ask this question. If we are talking about a student who has no family, what are the criteria then? If you are talking about a student who may …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, let me help you out, Minister. You seem to be confused. It is simply a [question] of, Do the criteria take in just the individual? Or do the crit eria take in the family, as well? That is basically what is being asked. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And, …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Ministe r, Minister, Minister. I am trying to keep it where we do not get off -tone here, right? I think it is a relevant question. That is why I am assisting. Okay? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker So, no, no, no, no. I think you should take y our seat, while I am talking anyway. Take your seat. I think it is a relevant question. And you just need to answer. It is either the individual, or it is the family. And it is not belittling the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I missed that. I missed that. You know what? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Wait! Do you know why I assis ted in the question just now? B ecause I did not want us to go down the wrong road. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I appreciate that.
The Speaker The Speaker I did not want us to go there. I spoke to try to keep us on a proper level. I am not going to a llow us to go down the wrong track. It is early in the day, and we have got a long day ahead of us. Let …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Very clear.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Now, that brings us to a close of the questionand-answer period this morning. And we will move on to the next matter on the Order Paper. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week, because of time constraints, I did not have the opportunity to ask that this Honourable House join me in sending condolences to the family of the late Franklyn DeAllie. You might r ecall, Mr. Speaker, that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank yo u, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Minister of Transport. Minister De Silva. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to send a letter of condolences to the family of Mr. Alex Swan, …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh, no! No!
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, oh. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes. Yes. He was Valerie Dill’s brother .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: So, if we could do that, it would be much appr eciated.
The Speaker The Speaker Include the whole House with that, I think. Hon. Zane. J. S. De Silva: Yes. And, yes, the whole House is associated. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1 [sic] . Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Peace. Peace, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker [Constituency] 2, rather. Yes, 2. Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would li ke to be associated with those condolences to the family of the late Alex Swan, a cousin, and a gentleman I always admired, a silent giant behind the scenes there at John W. …
The Speaker The Speaker I am glad you have got a good imagination. 618 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Desk thumping] Hon. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: But I certainly would like my condolences associated with the Honourable Member Zane De Silva, to go out to his family here and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member Commissiong. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not intend to get up. But after hearing of the death of Mr. Alex Swan, like the two colleagues preceding me, I had to get up and say that Mr. Swan was iconic, a pioneering figure in Bermuda’s black community over the last 40, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 28. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Den nis Lister III First, I would like to send co ngratulations to the Purvis Primary School. Last week they held their science fair. I would also like to assoc iate MP Tyrrell, even though he is not in the House. We both attended last week. And we were thoroug hly impressed by the …
Mr. Dennis Lister III And I might as well associate the whole House.
Mr. Dennis Lister III And also associati ng, along with Pat Gordon- Pamplin, the Youth Parliament debate last week, Saturday, where the Proposition won their debate in support of the sugar tax. So, Mr. Speaker, I would like to send congratulations. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable M ember. I now recognise the Honourable Member Weeks. Honourable Member Weeks, you have the floor.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off by ass ociating myself with the remarks about Mr. Alex Swan. I did not know him when I was younger. But as a man, I was one of his colleagues at the Leopards …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That little church by the sound.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks That little church by the sound, yes. And that church, their youth were putting on a Black History event. And the theme was celebrating Ottiwell Simmons. Mr. Speaker, I had to be there b eBermuda House of Assembly cause Mr. Ottiwell Simmons has always been not only an icon to …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks When I got down to the church, I was a little late. And I was expecting to run into standing room only. We have to try to appreciate and recognise, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that those who have gone before us, well, they are still here. So, I enjoyed my time. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Simons, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I rise to associate myself with the comments made in regard to Alex Swan, Paget Primary, and Dr. Carika Weldon. I went to her event on Friday night , and I can say I left the event knowing a bit more about DNA splicing and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s not you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No. [They had] a fundraiser. And they raised $70,000. And Juliana also was able to get 90 secondhand computers for our schools from Lombard Odier and Fidelity International. To me, that is a worthwhile contribution from our corporate community, and I s alute them for their commitment to education. I …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Ho nourable Minister of Education, Diallo Rabain. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker, first, on a sad note, I would like to have a letter of condolences sent to the Benjamin family of Loyal Hill. I associate Pat GordonPamplin …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Ben Smith.
Mr. Ben Smith Good morning, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I would like congratulations to be sent to the Bermuda Girl Guides. Last Sunday, I was able to attend their Thinking Day, which actually was their cel ebration of 100 years i n Bermuda. Participating in that, it was important to see how many young …
Mr. Ben Smith I associate. —Important leadership qualities are being shown to our young women in the country by this pr ogramme. And I would like to make sure that the leaders of the Rainbows, Brownies, Girl Guides and the Rangers are all part of that congratulations. Thank you. [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 32.
Mr. Scott Simmons Thank you, and good morning,
Mr. Speaker. And good morning to colleagues. The Speaker Good morning, Member.
Mr. Scott Simmons Mr. Speaker, I rise today just to recognise . . . this week I had the opportunity to attend the Southampton Preschool following an invitation from the Administrator, Ms. Karen Joyiens. And, Mr. Speaker, I ask that we send them our absolute co ngratulations on their Bermuda Black History Week. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Member, Minister Simmons. You have the f loor. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. I rise to my feet today to give congratulations for Dalton E. Tucker Primary’s P6 class for the com-pletion of their Random Acts …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19. Yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to have congratul ations sent to the Leopards Club, who, over the weekend, celebrated their 70 th anniversary. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any other Mem ber wish to speak? We recognise the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish, of course, to be associated with the condolences message to the family of Mr. Alex Swan. I would also like …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 4. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor.
Mrs. Tine e Furbert Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to congratulate the Bermuda Special Olympics Team, who will be on their way to the UAE [United Arab Emirates], March 14 th to the 22nd, where they will be representing Bermuda in various sporting events, such as track and field, tennis, bocce, bowling …
The Speaker The Speaker Associate the whole House with that, Member.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert I would like to associate the whole House with that, Mr. Speaker. And I would also like to thank this Gover nment, the many other spo nsors, coaches, volunteers and fam ilies who have as sisted in making this opportunity pos sible. And hop efully, when they return, we can …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert I would just also like to be ass ociated with the Black Histor y Month exhibit at Paget Primary. I believe the Minister of Education specifica lly spoke about the ASD classroom, in which they did a phenomenal exhibit on our Premier, David Burt. It was actually quite awesome. They …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? 622 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly I recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks …
The Speaker The Speaker Have you checked this morning with Lawrence? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, yes. No, La wrence is okay. Mr. Swan —every time I visited his house, we sat down and we had a good rap. And I always left that house with words of wisdom and some things to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency . . . oh, okay. I was going to call one of them, but they both sat down. Premier, the floor is yours. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to rise …
The Speaker The Speaker Just left. She just left. Hon. E. David Burt: And I tell her, Mr. Speaker, that she inspires me. She inspires me to continue to do the work of service, because she does not hold any pos ition and/or rank. But the work of which she has done for our …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. I recogn ise the Honourable Member Moniz. You have the floor. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just rise to my feet to be associated with the condolences that were given to the family of Eleanor Simmons. I just wanted to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Now I recognise the Minister. Minister Caines. Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to associate myself with the congratulations to the Leopards Club. I had the privilege of being the keynote speaker for the event. It was indeed a privilege …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 36. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, may I ask that congratulations be sent, firstly, to the organisers of Keeping Bermuda Culture Alive. This was an event again held at one of our institutions that has been mentioned a number of times this morning, the Leopards Club. The speakers …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: A very dyn amic, decent Bermuda citizen, cut his path in broadcasting behind the camera, Calvin Lynch. We ask that condolences be sent to his entire family. Mr. Speaker, I also would like condolences to be sent to the family of another constituent, the family …
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Member Dunkley. You have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the congratulations sent to Dr. Carika Weldon, but also add that one of my c olleagues, the Honour able Cole Simons, pointed out …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I would like this Honourable House to send congratulations and a thank -you to Pat Phillip- Fairn, who, I believe, is moving on from the BTA [Bermuda Tourism Authority] at the end of April. Pat has done a tremendous job and should be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Honourable Member Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker and listening audience. First of all, Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the comments for Mr. Alex Swan. And I would also like to extend thoughts and prayers to the family of Mr. David Parsons, formerly of Bermuda, now in Canada. His daughter, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Any other Member? I recognise the Minister. Minister Burch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, good afternoon now.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it is.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I would like to be associated with the condolences to the families of Alex Swan and Henry Smith. I, of course, found Henry Smith in the Bermuda Regiment when I joined. And I left him there when I retired, I will say. Mr. Speaker, I would also like for condolences …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And, certainly, Mrs. Fisher, who loved to cook and provide goodies. And so, she did not have to worry about me coming to canvass. Because whenever I smel led baking, whet her it was her turn or not, I would swing by. And so, I would ask that condolences be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member. That brings us to a close of the condolences and congratulations this morning. And we will move on to the next item. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MAT TERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We have five Bills that are going to be introduced this morning. Actually, all of them are in the name of the Minister of Finance, except for that last one. Minister of Finance, would you like to move yours? And then . . . [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. You can move yours, put your Bills in. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead on. Okay. Go ahead, Minister of Finance. FIRST READINGS LAND TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I a m intr oducing the following Bill, which, according to section 36(3) of the …
The Speaker The Speaker You have to name them individually, but I will let you do them all t ogether. How is that? R ather than get up and down. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Perfect. In the spirit of eff iciency, which this Government is promoting positively. FOREIGN CURRENCY PURCHASE TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2019 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. I think the next Bill is in the name of the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier. MUNICIPALITIES REFORM ACT 2019 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the fol lowing Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members, as you know, the major item today is [Order] No. 1 on the Order Paper, which is the resumption, or the Reply to the Budget Debate. And, as the clock is so close to that magical time of 12:30, I am going to suggest that we rise now, have …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. We are ready to resume the rest of the da y’s sitting. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, we are going to start with the first Order of the items today, which is the Reply from the Opposition in regard to the Budget Statement that was read out to us last week. And, as we know, the Shadow Finance Mini ster sits in another place, so on …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. While we are getting settled, I am just giving everyb ody the update as to where we are. The Shadow Minister of Health will give the Reply on behalf of the Opposition this afternoon. And with those few comments, Minister, would you like to lead us into it? …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker , I move that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2019/20 be approved.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? Not approved . . . not approved . . . [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker “Resumed. ” [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s a good try. [Laughter] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I read from the scripting and the sc ripting is clearly incorrect . . . “resumed. ”
The Speaker The Speaker It has been taken under consideration . . . the consideration of the motion for the approval for the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2019/20 . . . together with the Budget Statem ent. Okay? You are good? All right. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I agree, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker You are smart to agree, how is that? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Clearly, the copies I got were incorrect.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I apologise for that.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for your comments . Shadow Minister? THE OPPOSITION’S REPLY TO THE BUDGET STATEMENT 2019/20 Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Honourable Member s. Mr. Sp eaker , may I first beg the indulgence of the House to address the errata on the cover page …
Speaker The Speaker Are the Ministers leading by example? Bermuda House of Assembly It is reckless for Government to forgo the Sinking Fund contribution of $67 million in order to claim a sense of achievement of a $7 million sur plus. Revised estimates show last year’s budget projections are already on track to …
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Something that is good for Bermuda will take precedence over political kudos. The OBA will also question, where needed, to ensure that all perspectives are considered and will oppose when legislation is brought forth that we feel is detrimental to Bermuda’s best interests. This …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor. DEBATE ON THE BUDGET STATEMENT AND REPLY TO THE BUDGET Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , I have been in this …
The Speaker The Speaker No, I am neutral. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , it is clear that the OBA are the past and the Progressive Labour Party are the future. [Desk thumping] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , the Honourable Member stood up and said that the Honourable Member Senator Nick …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fact check! [Laughter] [Gavel] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That the actual amount that the OBA handed over to the expenditure for this Government was $923 million . . . 4-9-1. So I would ask the Honourable Member who speaks for that side to check her facts. Bermuda House of Assembly …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. That’s right. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , I could spend all of my allotted time —one hour —given me during this economic debate to speak about how the workers of the government were not even given a salary i ncrease for five years. But I [will] …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Money don’t grow on trees. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , I could speak about how the former Minister told our seniors that money does not gr ow on trees.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But Mr. Speaker , I [will] not. [Laughter and inaudible interjections] [Gavel] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , I could speak about how the former administration increased tax ation from $866 million in 2013 to $1.52 billion in March 2018, which represented $185 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Don’t do it! Don’t do it! Don’t talk about that! [Inau dible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , during this p eriod, GDP growth averaged a moderate 0.1 per cent. And Mr. Speaker , it mainly came from tax increases. I am not going to …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: By saying [singing] : So long, bye, bye. So long, bye, bye. Goodbye to my pain and my sorrow. So long, bye, bye. [Desk thumping] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Goodbye to my pain and my sorrow. Mr. Speaker , it was clear that the people …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, yes. Hon. Wayne L. F urbert: —regarding what they had planned to do.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is correct. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Michael Jackson said it best this way, Mr. Speaker : They really do not care about us. Mr. Speaker , I want to spend my time talking about a Government that cares about the people. I want to talk about a Government that …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say that again. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We found over $330,000 worth of cheques in a drawer not processed.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Wow! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And they were supposed to be good management, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Now if I found it, why could they not find it? Because, Mr. Speaker , there was a lack of caring for what was going on. [Inaudible …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You won’t hear about that. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: You will not hear that, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The great Honourable Member Bob Richards, wh o was supposed to be doing so much good work —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. A faithful steward. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —the $8 million of unstamped, adjudicated . . . the Honourable Member Trevor Moniz understands that —$8 million! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz : You don’t want to hear me. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, you stand up. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It is this Government, Mr. Speaker , who finds that enough is enough, and we are looking at standardising those board fees.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Excellent! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But the great OBA Gover nment led by the Honourable Michael Dunkley and the great Honourable Bob Richards —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The chief steward. Hon. Wayne L. Furb ert: —the chief steward . . . could not find it. Mr. Speaker , clothing and uniforms. There are certain departments that get new clothing every year, every year , whether it is worn out or not ! And you try and ask …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I wonder where the uniforms are coming from. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , it was this Government that found those points.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I wonder where they were coming from. [Crosstalk] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , for years taxpayers have been particularly taking a joy ride on this Government. A joy ride.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: What do I mean by joy ride? Mr. Speaker , you know, if you pay your payroll tax by credit card at certain banks you get what they call points, travel points. The Government was paying over $2 million in charges for people who charge …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A trip around the world. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is fine. You can still take y our trips; but you are going to pay Government those charges. Mr. Speaker , it was this Government who recognised that there were some homeless people out there who had and have social …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And what do I mean by alien licences? You will note in t he Government’s Budget Book that stamp duty on, I think, sales of homes for overseas people, individuals, is down. And the reason why is because at the end of the day there …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Brilliant! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It was brilliant! [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Any other words English people? It was brilliant.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Phenomenal. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Phenomenal. But Mr. Speaker , who in this House goes out and borrows money and puts it in an account for a Sinking Fund for the future? Who goes out and does that? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Who does that? Goes and borrows …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member From surpluses. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: From surpluses!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Not deficits. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Not deficits! That was the original intent. That was the intent, Mr. Speaker . And it came in 1993. So there were many years before that when the Government did not do it. This Government has decided to make a change. Nothing is wrong …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How much? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —[I think] $24 million. I do not have . . . let me get the book. [It was] $24 million and then the following year $45 [million], taking it from surplus, taking it from current account balances. We are not going to go out …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other Member? I can hit the gavel. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Moniz, you were moving a little slow that time. Mr. Moniz. We recognise . . . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I must admit . . . I must admit I am slowing down after 25 years. I have not got your 30 years, Mr. Speaker , but—
The Speaker The Speaker No. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —but I am at the 25 mark and—
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have got the floor — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —In May — The Speaker: —so you can set your pace. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —in May I will be getting my free bus pass —
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —so I am hoping you can all understand if I am slowing down a little bit. That was very interesting, Mr. Speaker , from the Honourable Member Wayne Furbert, their Junior Minister. We are sort of having a reprise of last year in the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Curtis Dickinson? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Dickinson. 646 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: The Honourable Member . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Honourable Member , but I have to say who he is. I cannot say the Finance Mi nister because we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No! No, they do not. Well, you were not there long enough —
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Those Members will have their turn.
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The ones who—they will have their turn to jump up and speak.
The Speaker The Speaker You can talk to me, speaker . . . I mean member , you have the floor, speak to the Speaker. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, thank you. So, anyway, we come in and none of those taxes came through. The Government saw a good sense. Certainly, it is …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, continue on. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: So, it is my view, that we have—and it is pointed out again in the Reply —that I believe, it is my view, that we have declining business confidence and we have declining consumer conf idence. So, we have continued to see local …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Why don’t you offer them a ride? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: And I offer them rides. I do indeed, you see. And it might surprise him. I give them rides. I do exact ly that. [Inaudible interjections] 648 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Trevor …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I do. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Exactly. So, he knows people are unhappy and people are waiting out there for buses. So, these are some of the concerns that people have, where they feel the oomph should be being put. You know, today we saw a group demonstrating. They are …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Member is misleading the House when he said, you know, they did not want billionaires, white rich billionaires, in Bermuda. No, we did not say that, …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, it is all a ma tter of opinion. Continue on. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That is not . . . that, Mr. Speaker, that is not what I was referring to at all.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, continue. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That is not what I was referring to.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He will get his turn. Now, you know, I will just end with a final, r eally with a final word here, Mr. Speaker, and that is going back to the government efficiency saying go vernment efficiency is surely judged by needing fewer people to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He was a consultant. Another Hon. Member: He was contracted.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He was not. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He was brought on as a temporary staff member. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Your point of order? Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member just said Charles Richardson was brought in for a candidate for the PLP. No, he was not.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: All right, if that is true, that is fine. That is fine. But was he brought in as a temporary person to fill the job? And was the job he is filling ever advertised? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Well, you see in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes, and— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, he has just raised an issue which is close to my heart. Under the PLP Government the number of ministerial assistants and staff members —
The Speaker The Speaker Member, let me just remind you of the fact that you only have 30 minutes, and I think you just used up your 30 minutes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Oh, right.
The Speaker The Speaker So, you can— Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I can just finish on that point that the number of assistants has much multiplied un-der this Government . Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 2, Honourable Member Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I am going to put on my Sher idan Raynor gear today and just come to the wicket and play some of these new balls down the crease. Mr. Speaker, as I speak today, I just want to start o ff by congratulating the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Payday lending.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Payday lenders. So the payday lender gives you $1,000. The payday lender, who is real in Bermuda, is expecting that $1,000 plus what? The 20 per cent (if that is the interest rate). Or what, Honourable Member ? You are a lawyer; you might have some idea what the rate …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is extortion.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan All right. So, the case I am making is that the $100 that you take to put in what I call my piggy bank sinking fund . . . and I go around to, then I put it there, I put it aside for a rainy - day. In order …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And guess what, Mr. Speaker ? That makes absolutely no sense! Now, I am not saying that the people that we are going to are going to charge us that much. I am just making the analogy, because I am confident our Finance Minister wants to save every penny. And …
The Speaker The Speaker You have about seven minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I heard Members opposite reference capital projects. And, oh boy, do I r emember trying t o tickle up the Government on many of them. I will just go to one of them, as it relates to tourism: Heritage Wharf and what is now Dockyard in Bermuda, an economic hub …
The Speaker The Speaker You have less than a minute.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Okay, that is all I need. I reject when the OBA in Opposition would use another coded [language] that would suggest that the PLP do not care about white people. I have been and I have sat with them both. Right? Honesty for r eality does not mean that you …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —in a lie. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? [Desk thumping] The Speaker: We now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I get started into the body of my contents, I appreciate the …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan If the Member would have listened, I admitted that I sat on that side. And I admi tted that I was many . . . not even may have been an architect, but an author of [much] rhetoric against the Government that I proudly, proudly serve. So, if he wants …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, thank you for clarification. Member . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, just pointing out the facts about it. This is the second budget of this PLP Government since the election of 2017 and with this second budget, Mr. Speaker, the PLP Government has talked a lot over the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we will take point of order from the Finance Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I think the Honourable Member is misleading the House. If he were to go back and look back at prior Budget Books from 2012/13 and beyond, he would see …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H . Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I will come back to that later.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I will digress for a minute to speak to some comments by the Ho nourable Junior Minister of Finance, who started off this debate after the Opposition’s Reply. The Honourable Member talked about $300,000 worth of cheques being found in a drawer. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Your point of order ? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I am sorry the Honourable Member is actually . . . I do not believe he understood, if he would be willing to [let me] explain to him. The issue was not that they were found in any …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, Mr. Speaker, that point of order leads me to my next comment. Can you imagine, Mr. Speaker, if Honourable Ministers from the former Government had been looking through the drawers of civil servants’ desks, what an outcry there would be, Mr. Speak er. …
The Speaker The Speaker Tonight, t onight. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —tonight or tomorrow —
The Speaker The Speaker Tonight. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —can give the answer. But last year on page 13 of the Budget Statement, it was stated that a civil service increase would be 2.5 per cent in pay. Howev er, in this year’s Budget Statement it says, I believe on page 18, that some …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say it is not so. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: In 2011, $147 million def icit was forecasted, and it ended at $229 million—$82 million out. I go on, Mr. Speaker . In 2012, there was a budget estimate of $172 million deficit , which ended at $226 —$54 million out. …
The Speaker The Speaker Hello, yes? Minister? Member — Minister, yes? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is seriously misleading the House, Mr. Speaker . Ser iously misleading the House. I would —
The Speaker The Speaker Make your point of order. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The point of order is he just made a false statement, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I was not going to tell him the numbers, but I will tel l him the numbers, Mr. Speaker, since he wants to . . . and he can get up and show me where they are wrong. But he cannot, because …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take the point of order from the Minister of Finance. [Laughter] POINT OF ORDER Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I will say this, I am really good with numbers. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, you are. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: So, if the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Patri cia J. Gordon -Pamplin: OBA far less than the PLP. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I am pretty good with numbers, and I am also pretty good with reading and I am happy to sit down with the Finance Minister after and go over …
The Speaker The Speaker Finance Minister, you would like to make a point of order? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that for the Honourable Member $7 million may not be a whole lot of money, but for Mr . and Mrs. Bermuda, as they like to quote often …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —who talk fake news. And then they try to say what . . . they try to say that they did not say it, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, Mr. Speaker, this co ming year, in the Budget Book it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . We now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 3 3. Minister Simmons, you have the floor. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes— Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I am reminded of a saying that I am going to paraphrase, Yesterday’s man with yesterday’s lyrics reminiscing about those thrilling days of yesteryear . Mr. Speaker, the Opposition . . . I will deal with his specific points as I move through my prese …
Mr. Speaker . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva No, sir. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: They have spent a signi ficant amount of time seeking to rewrite, rehabilitate and resurrect the failed, rejected Pathways to Status agenda, or as I like to call it, open up the imm igration floodgates and hope for the best for Bermudians. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, yield f or the point of order. Point of order, yes? POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I was giving the Honourable Member some latitude, and I am still trying to find where we said we were opening up the floodgates of immigration. We have never said …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take the point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I would like for the Honourable Member to clear up . . . who said bloated civil service?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is in your document. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No, it did not say bloated.
The Speaker The Speaker Ah— Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I will yield on that point because I do not feel like reading through this drag again, but the words —
Some Hon. Member Some Hon. Member Ooh! [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: —bloated civil service—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Misinformation. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: —the words bloated civil service . . . I know those Members have heard them before. I know that Members in this Chamber have heard them before and it did not emanate from the Progressive Labour Party, Mr. Speaker . So, the question I have, …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, let us, let us try and not get too personal. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Let us not get personal.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Come on, man.
The Speaker The Speaker Let us not get personal. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: The Honourable Member who took his seat, the Honourable Member who took his seat —
The Speaker The Speaker Let us not get personal. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: —he asked the question, he said, Why did, you know, the Premier, like give up the job? You know, why did he take it and have it for such a short period? You know, is he trying to get out the …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. Mini ster— POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Member , the Honourable Minister just indicated about the first three speakers you cannot deny who they are. The first three speakers—two of the first three …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Continue. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I am glad she brought that up.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Continue on. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: I am glad she brought that up, Mr. Speaker . Do you know why? I left because of an organisation that was soft on racism. I left an organisation that had no social competence. And that is why you have had a …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member Mr. Simmons. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Headley Cole Simons. Mr. Simons, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker . This has been an interesting debate so far. I would like to start by saying — 666 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —that my friend, Mr. Finance Minister, recently — [Laughter]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —took on this role. And I am sure— [Laughter]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —that this new Finance Mi nister found this an eye- opening experience. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, the Minister of Financ e has had a colossal job in putting together this budget. But one thing stood out to me when I read the budget that was very indicative of how he felt Bermuda should be developing in this coming year. That simple point was …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, let me share with you some comparatives. We have said that our revised GDP growth will be between 0.5 [per cent] and 1.0 per cent. I looked at the IMF and I said, S o what are our friends doing overseas? St. Lucia’s growth rate was 3.6 …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker , I will continue. At the end of the day, for 2018, the economy has truly slowed down. It was at $1.5 billion and, again, this was a reduction of 0.021 per cent. Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, as was said earlier, the Bermuda infrastructure fund that was due …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, right now, there are outstandin g guarantees for Bermuda Housing Corporation to the tune of $29.3 million. There is a guarantee for WEDCO for $71.8 million. There is a guarantee for BDC for $1.2 million. There is a guarantee for the Hospitals Board under the PLP of …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, other commercial properties do not pass . . . or other commercial businesses do not pass on that fee to their employees, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy ] Speaker — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is certainly misleading the House. There are many bus inesses in Bermuda that pass on that fee.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A ah! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker — [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, at the end of the day, we still need to reduce the cost of doing business in this country, and reduce the cost of living expenses in this country. And this is just an additional cost that we are putting on the average man in the street, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Honourable Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Did the Honourable Member just say that there was an increase in payroll taxes? B ecause there is no increase in payroll tax in thi s budget.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member? Did you state that?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons He said there was an i ncrease on the concessionary tax rate to 7 per cent. That is an increase. Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, there is a— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. [D eputy] Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, Member. Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. There is no increase in payroll taxes whatsoever inside of this budget.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mr. Simons , could you wit hdraw that statement, unless you can point it out in the Budget Book, but I do not think it is there.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I will move to my next topic. I will take my guidance from the Premier.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Payroll tax.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I think you just need to wit hdraw that statement.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, Honourable Member—you need to withdraw — Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: I would like to continue.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, will you withdraw the statement? It is untrue.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I withdraw the statement, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, I would like to continue. The foreign curr ency purchase tax —again, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker . . . Again, this increases the cost of doing business, a cost of living in Bermuda, as we all know that we have to import 90 per cent of our goods …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order, Honour able Premier? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member keeps getting up here and misleading the House! He is tal king about a senior who had an increase in land tax and seniors are exempt from land taxes!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Come on, Cole. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, their house is over the $42,000 range, $45,000 range —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Forty -five, $45,500. Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: [It is] $45,500.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And so, what they have said to me is that even w ith the deduction their tax went from $1,590 to $3,080 —almost doubled, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker. And that is what I am saying, and this is di fficult on someone who lives on a fixed income. And there are …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I think —
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, again, is this indicative of a caring PLP Government? We are going to take the money where we can — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —irrespective of what ha ppens , Mr. [De puty] Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Member? Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is misleading the House, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, and I will give him an opportunity to f ix it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If he is going to make that statement with regard to a senior who is complaining, I think it is only right that he talks about the ARV of that particular person that had the complaint, so we can make sure that we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, could you make that a little more clear . . . specific?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, I am not going to be guided by that man’s comments.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker But I think we have got to make statements that are clear to the public, right?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons What I am making clear, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Uh-huh.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —is the senior had said to me that his land tax went from $1,590 to $3,000. To me, that is clear enough.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay, what was his ARV? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Answer the Speaker!
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, his ARV was $80,000, approximately.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. I understand that. Continue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How come you call me “that man” ? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, I shall continue. Education, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker. I note that $473,000 has been allocated for standards -based grading for our teachers. I have no problem with that whatsoever. But what I would like to see is what else are we going to commit to our teachers? …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I am just talking generally. So, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, I say that when we are talking about education, we are talking about st udents and teachers equally, because the teachers have to deliver quality education to get the results and the best outcome for our students. So, they should be …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, Mr. Speaker . . . I am saying Mr. Speaker . . . Honourable Member — [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker —we are doing the general debate. Those questions can come up when we do the heads. When we do the budget you can be speci fic on that.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you. Thank you, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Now let’s get to International Business.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s your preview, Cole. 670 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Yes, yes. I will give you a little preview. I am helping you. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons That’s fine. Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, International Business. We have heard a lot about immigration, and I hear a lot about Bermudians having this xenophobic culture when it comes to immigration. Now, as far as I am concerned, the jury is in and out on that label of “xenophobic culture.” But …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Land tax.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And the land tax! You are absolutely right —and the land tax. And so, I really struggle to see what all this anxiety is about. It is political, yes. But does it serve us well? Does it serve us well? I am asking this because we have a new Minister, …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And so, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, we need these people here to help us continue on our economic journey as a country. And so, let’s get it done and let’s get away [from] this xenophobic thing that I am not 100 per cent comfortable with, but that is that best way …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, you have five minutes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have five minutes.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Already, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker? I’m just getting warmed up.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have been going. Yes, I understand that, that is why I want to give you a war ning.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, the cruise ship tax a nd the cruise ship passenger taxes . . . I do not have all the details, but what I do know is I do not want us to price ourselves out of the market, from an expense point of view, for the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thanks to Dr. Brown. [Laughter ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We know you don’t like him.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And I recognise t hat, you know, work needs to be done. And so this infrastructure fee . . . I would like to see how that develops b efore I make any judgment on that, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It was Trevor’s idea.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member : Well, that is the smartest thing I’ve heard in the last 20 minutes.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. [Deputy] Speaker —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, you can certainly ask that next week. [Laughter]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes. Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, the other issue that I would like to speak to before I take my seat is this: I read an article on the business confidence. And in 2018, for the first time Bermuda’s business confidence declined. It went down 18 per cent compared to the 2016 …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Me mber, Hedley Cole Simons. Any further speakers? The Chair recognizes the Honourable Minister, Kim Wilson. Ms. Wilson, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker. Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, it is no secret that one of the mos t important factors …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I am just wondering if the Honourable Member would indulge the House, because it seems as though the areas into which she is delving are specific to the Health Mini stry, not to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister, I think what the Honourable Member said is correct, because that can r eally come up in the debate and be very specific on it. You have eight hours of that. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Sure, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, thank you. As I started off by saying (but the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You are getting into specifics of the actual Budget Debate that we will do in Commi ttee when you are talking about the budget numbers. You can speak in general terms, but you are being a bit specific. And I appreciate the information, but we can get that during the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member , I do not want you to think I was trying to stop you, because I am very interested in the information you have. So, it was not our intent to stifle your debate. But I apprec iate what you— Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, thank you. The Chair recognises the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, the Honourable Leah Scott.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you , Mr. Deputy Speaker . I am not going to be long. Most of the points that I would like to cover have actually been covered by most of my colleagues during the debate. Howe ver, I do want to raise some points. And I guess, Mr. Deputy …
Ms. Leah K . Scott Scott Simmons. Is that his name? Is that not his name? [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Leah K. Scott MP Scott Simmons did an editor ial in Bernews . I have it right here. And he talked . . . he said that there were four core values that were to be included or demonstrated in the PLP Budget. And if you will allow me, they were: “ Protecting …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, that is a question you can ask, then, in the Budget Debate.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. Yes, okay, thank you. [Inaudible interjections ]
Ms. Leah K. Scott I could have, but yes, okay. I am hoping that we can find some resolution with gaming so that gaming can be a job creator. And I understand that we have this ne w signature bank that is supposed to be coming to Bermuda and sup-posed to be facilitating the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member Leah Scott.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you , Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Educ ation Minister, Diallo Rabain. You have the floor, sir. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. [Deputy ] Spea ker. I will have to admit, the Budget Debate time is probably one of my least favourite times of the year …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —we must go through it. The Government lays down its explanation of the an-ticipated economic expectations and they give a pr oposed budget. There is a detail of how much money will be spent and how those expenditures will benefit Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And the Opposition is expected to lay out their vision and how they would manage their country’s budget if the y were in a pos ition to do so. But Mr. [Deputy] Speaker, what we have heard today come across from the Opposition is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Before I recognise the next speaker, I wo uld just like to acknowledge one of my Sunday School teachers [from] when I was a young boy, Mrs. Rabain, in the back. She is the mother of Minister Diallo Rabain. And a couple of his aunties, Dr. Talbot and another Ms. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Ho nourable Minister Walton Brown. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker , just because you do not have a plan does not mean you do not have a plan. Just because you do not like the plan does not mean you …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I have heard it from a couple of Members, and I have let it slide. The surplus to which the Honourable Member speaks is predicated upon the fact …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue, Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There is a quest to pursue social justice and equality in presentation, in particular, a reduction in inequality and a reduction in the cost of living. Those are key principles outli ned in this budget, Mr. Deputy Speaker , a …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER [Standing Order 19(7)] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: It appears that the Honourable Member is doing a little more than just referring to his notes. It appears that he is actually reading a prepared speech, and I don’t think that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, you should not be . . . you can refer to your notes, but you should not read your notes. Hon. Walton Brown: Yes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. [Deputy] Speaker. The idea of providing low interest rate mor tgages is a brilliant idea for the country. It is something that will benefit the people. And the Government has proposed to lower interest rate mortgages in conjunction with a private sector …
The Speaker The Speaker Go a head. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This said, “Good policies are data- driven and accompanied by information sy stems that can measures whether the policy changes improve outcom es.” And a couple things that are in there— policy changes, improving outcomes, [and] measuring—and therefore I take the position that …
The Speaker The Speaker About nine minutes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Oh, nine minutes. I am not—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nineteen, nineteen minutes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: No, no, no I am not. I am not. I am not. You know, Mr. Speaker, that for me it is not about using it all, because the more time we have to have everybody say their say and sit down …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does an y other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise Minister Caines. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. As long as it is short. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Well, he asked me if it was going to please me, and I said as long as it is short. If he wants please me, he has to keep it short. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Spe aker, I have had the opportunity to listen to the length and breadth of the discussion this evening. I had the opportunity to consider with great detail the budget. I have reflected on the more vociferous Members of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Right. Hon. Wayne Caines: I listened as the MPs all circled the proverbial wagons and highlighted the fact that they must work together to make sure that Canada gets through this. I have been following the Brexit conversations in England. In England the country is, some say, torn asunder with …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! Yes! Hon. Wayne Caines: Look at the greatest superpo wer in the world, America— fraught with difficulty. The President is being challenged for his very existence. People are coming from all over to look at a country that we deem to be in crises. The Americans, regar dless of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: We listen in Bermuda to the former leader of this country take what he deems to be weaknesses, to be challenges, and he paints it in this very room as if the sky is falling. So imagi ne if you are a 20- year-old, or …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: The people of this country voted with overwhelming— with overwhelming— resonance to 25 seats in this House. And we will continue to march on that bearing. I had the privilege to listen to our Minister of Finance. This man stands head and shoulders [above] his …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: —running the financial affairs of this country. You would think that it was Daffy Duck at the helm of the financial status of this country.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: That is the underlying undertone. And you picked the bones out of the undertones to which I speak. We have the ability and th e opportunity to go to the breakfast that was put on by PwC, the Budget Breakfast. In the room were the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Smack dab in the middle. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne Caines: And he, with dignity, aplomb, without the raise of an eyebrow, answered every question, allayed every fear —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He did a great j ob! Hon. Wayne Caines: —presented every argument. They, in the room, acknowledged that it was a good budget. They, in the room, acknowledged that we are going in the right direction. Oh, it wasn’t all hugs, kisses and cuddles, but the epicentre of the ar-gument …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s true. Hon. Wayne Caines: We came into power and understood what was at risk. We came int o power and put our shoulder to the proverbial wheel at some of the most difficult financial times that this country has ever seen. And they cry that we do not have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: When we look at what has taken place, fighting the beneficial registry that the United Kingdom is forcing down our throats, we are doing it for all people of Bermuda. Look at economic substance—a challenge to our sovereignty. A challenge to the epicentre of our business. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Hmm. Hon. Wayne Caines: Do not believe the hype!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Absolutely not. Hon. Wayne Caines: This Government is in the [throes] of preparing. And then we go to immigration.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne Cai nes: You read that we do not have a plan for immigration and that we are resting on our laurels and that we need to have 3,000 and 4,000 people come to Bermuda. Well, it is basic. We believe that any immigration plan must be fair, …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: Our people only have Bermuda.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: That is not nationalism. That isn’t not understanding international business. You think we do not have the ability to pursue and walk at the same time? Of course we have the intellect. Of course we have the business acumen to sit with international business, talk …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members That’s right. Yes. Exactly! Hon. W ayne Caines: —able to send their kids off to university. Bermudians are not xenophobic! This is not a cry for nationalism. This is Bermudians just wanting to be a part of their own economy.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: And we meander into FinTech, this element that many people think is a unicorn. A Government that, 18 months ago, had not any mov ement in this space. And I will not belabour the point; you have heard us beat the drum about FinTech. A …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: Traveling abroad to meet with the detractors of specific companies —
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes, yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: —knowing that we have an i ndependent regulator —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly! Hon. Wayne Caines: —that looks at and measures and brings companies in. Fifty -five companies have setup in Bermuda.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How many? Hon. Wayne Caines: Where are the jobs? they cry. We are doing everything in our power to on- board them, t o bring them in. But do you think that what you are doing in the space, down crying, talking negatively about the Government, speaking openly online and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly! Hon. Wayne Caines: We have the opportunity to bring industry to Bermuda. Have you not heard that there are two banks coming to Bermuda? And so things that have marginalised have kept us away from opportunities, companies from coming to Bermuda, do you not see a dent in that? …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A balanced budget. Hon. Wayne Caines: To bring us to a balanced budget. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: We have had a small increase in capital funding to maintain our infrastructure, to decrease interest expense to allow for funding in other Bermuda House of Assembly priorities. Our financial record? We have lowered pa yroll taxes to workers to the lowest level in 23 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: In closing, Mr. Speaker, I apologise if I seem as if I am preaching, but allow me to go to my roots for five seconds. There is a story in Nehemiah.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: And the story in Nehemiah is about a man who was tasked to build a city. And when he went to build the city, they had to build walls (MP Kim) around the city. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne Caines: And around this city …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: They were in the [throes] of their work and somebody came and said to Nehem iah, Nehemiah, they are saying that you are not strong enough. That you are not good enough. That your work is substandard. As a matter of fact, so bad is …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Correct. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne Caines: Nehemiah said, I am on the wall. I have a work to do, and I will not come down until my work is done.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly. Hon. Wayne Caines: So, Minister Burch, when you are fixing the roads and you are looking at the sewage . . . when you are dealing with the young men, the architects in your department, remember, you are on the wall and you cannot come down until your work …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, yes! [Desk thumping] Hon. Wayne Caines: Minister of Transport, we are working, and we are trying to find everything in this budget to bring toward Bermuda and to get new forms of transportation, whether it is boats or whether it is electric cars. We are doing different things in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Preach it! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. W ayne Caines: The Minister of Health, you are working on health care reform. No matter what is happening, no matter what they are saying about people who have been terminated, you have a responsibility and you do it. You are up on the wall. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. That’s right. Hon. Wayne Caines: The people of Bermuda are depending on us. We have a budget that has the right balance between finance and community and k eeping the people safe, putting together economic reform, looking at what it says in FinTech, reaching out to new banking entities, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. 690 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I wouldn’t want to get up and speak after that. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Ben Smith Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Smith. MP Smith, you have the floor. [Inaudible interj ections]
Mr. Ben Smith Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Ben Smith In May 2017, the Honourable Premier, David Burt, at the time who was an MP, gave a speech at the Hamilton Rotary Club. He spoke of the relationship between race, privilege, and the Two Bermudas. I remember clearly listening to the words that he spoke in that speech, the conversations …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And who were they?
Mr. Ben Smith I remember thinking that I could not sit on the sideline any longer. I need to get involved because it was too important for us to just stand by and see that some of our population was being left behind while others were having the ability to succeed. So, in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is correct.
Mr. Ben Smith So, w e have to make sure that we are looking at both sides and not hitting the group that is already struggling to keep their heads above water. Sugar tax. So the sugar tax moving from 50 per cent to 75 per cent. When the sugar tax was brought …
Mr. Ben Smith But that is because people cannot smoke outside, and because of all the actual money that has been put into advertising to tell people that cigarettes are going to kill them. So, really, when you look at it, we have a sugar tax. We are spending more money for items …
Mr. Ben Smith Moving on from that, I am in agreement with the sobriety checkpoints. I am in agreement that we should be implementing rules that are putting us in a position to try to make our roads safer and to stop people from doing very dangerous behaviour on our roads. But once …
Mr. Ben Smith The t axis are not available; I said that earlier. So, I agree that we have to implement pieces on both sides. But I think it is important that we pay attention to the group that is already struggling, that is already hurting in our country —black, white, Port uguese …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Let’s take a point of order from the Minister of Finance. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, throughout the course of the day there has been a suggestion that there has been no relief for small retailers. The fact of the matter is small retailers …
Mr. Ben Smith I am not disagreeing with that but the problem is when the small businesses are right on the brink, they actually need help because that is the group that is employing Bermudians. That is the group that is trying to be creative in growth for Bermudian companies. We are trying …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take a point of order from the Junior Minister. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: A little different, a little diffe rent. The Honourable Member may not realise, but it was his Government that increased the duty on retail.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member.
Mr. Ben Smith First of all, as I said right from the beginning, I got involved because I wanted change. I got involved so that I can actually try to help — [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! 692 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: —so, obviously, you need to listen. That is why I got involved. Because I am trying to make sure that this group of people have a voice. That I can help. So, I am …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 21. Honourable Member Commissiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not really know where to start, Mr. Speaker. After all, the Member for constituency 14 said it all!
The Speaker The Speaker Well, that means that you would be short tonight. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I may very well be, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I may very well be. Mr. Speaker, I am going to start at the end of where I was originally int ending to go and maybe then go to the front. Mr. Speaker, there has been a lot of concern here about the issue of immigration. We heard the Minister …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Why not?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Because he was black.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Woolridge ended up driving taxi. That was the fate of so many educated black men of that generation, many of whom are still living, like my mother and father and so many others. And s o when I hear about, We need to bring more people in and we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Dissidence.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —dissident cord—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Dissident.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —dissident cord within m yself and generations of black Bermudians within this country. Mr. Speaker, in this continuing journey down memory lane, I just want to share with the listening audience out there and my colleagues here, Mr. Speaker, with your indulgence—
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —an excerpt from a book written by the Honourable Walton Brown, Jr., the current Minister of the Cabinet. The book’s title is, Bermuda and the Struggle for Reform: Race, Politics, and Ideology, 1994- 1998. It was published, I guess, probably, roughly, a decade ago or more. And it reads as …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong But what did we get from white Bermuda? That’s right! For the most part, we hear it from them all the time. It is “reverse racism.” These blacks are only doing to us what we have been doing to them. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Do you know the scars from that period are still resonating? Where did these hoards that flooded in here during that period, where did they work? In Bermuda’s private sector! Who did they displace in that sector? Our parents! Our grandparents! Do you want to know why the current s …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —we must govern as a r esponsibility for all of Bermuda. But let me tell you this. All of Bermuda includes marginalised people, and, for the most part, they are black Bermudians.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Not black and white. Right now, if we have any unemployment, it is black Berm udians who are unemployed.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Statistics indicate . . . evidence- based conversati on, right? Statistics indicate that there is full employment, statistically, in Berm uda’s white community. Look at the stats that we saw the other day around health care. Over 2,000 black Bermudians did not have health insurance, as [at] 2010. And that …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Wait now. Six years later, in 2016, over 4,000 black Bermudians are without health insurance, the corresponding figure for whites [is] 4 00plus. So do not come with any false moral equivalency to me, because that is what is being perpetrated here. We do not want to be like Cayman! …
The Speaker The Speaker Keep the tone at the right level. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Cayman Islands. Humph! Now, we understand that we have an ageing population. Well, I say, let’s have an evidence- based conversation. The average age in Bermuda is 44 years of age. We are in demographic winter. But do you know how we had this conversation about how we are going …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I will tell you this. Outside of that right -wing fascist newspaper down in Cayman, the [Cayman] Compass, or whatever it is called, which is a fellow traveller with the Royal Gazette, because the Royal Gazette is like in the same ideological space. Right? I bet you that if you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, they do say that. [Inaudible interjections] 694 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Rolfe Commissiong: You see. That is what they were trying in the 1960s and 1970s . . . Huh? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong To create a Cayman back then. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, let me just continue on. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I, too, want to commend, Mr. Speaker, our newly minted Honourable Finance Minister for this March’s inaugural budget before this august Chamber. We hope this is a first of many more to come. He has amply demonstrated that he was more than capable of delivering a budget that has given …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong But yet all we get is them pouring contempt upon that overwhelming majority. They sti ll have not learned the lesson inherent in that defeat —one of the greatest political defeats any party in this country has endured.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member In the modern era.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong In the modern era. [Inaudible i nterjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, did I get ev erything? Did I, and others, get everything that we would have wanted out of this budget? I am going to be honest with you. I would have liked to have seen more. As a progressive committed to economic and racial justice, I would have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member So would we.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong We still have to shift more of that burden to those at the top tiers of income di stribution in this country and ensure that the wealthy are paying an equitable share in terms of taxes. No one here today can say, with a straight face, that that is occurring. …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —on the issue of racial diversity within that industry. I mean, you are laughing, but look. I mean, I actually heard— 696 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —I actually heard Jonathan Reiss, the son of the founder of that industry, talk about the role that white supremacy —this is the term he used— was playing in inhibiting the acceptance and growth of prominent and qualified blacks within the industry. Those were his words. An Hon. Membe r: …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong And it is happening every day. I mean, how could we have an industry over four decades and there are no entry -level positions? Come on! Is this what Sir Jon Swan also bequeathed to us? Huh? As long as they were getting their cream off the top, who the …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —about those at the bottom who were trying to make a way out of no way. Let’s put him in context too. Mr. Speaker, that industry (and I am saying now, not just the insurance industry, but IB in general) generates over 60 per cent of the country’s foreign exchange …
The Speaker The Speaker You have just over two minutes.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Two minutes! Oh, two minutes. Okay. So, some of the opportunities . . . Mr. Speaker, we had a great announcement today with the knowledge that Signature Bank i s going to start providing banking services (Mr. Swan) to the FinTech sector in this country. [Laughter]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong That is excellent news. We know that the hard work of, again, Minister Caines and the Premier in pushing to make Bermuda a gl obal hub of FinTech was being stymied by the fact that we could not have the type of banking services that were needed. That seems to …
The Speaker The Speaker That’s it.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —the great job he has done —
The Speaker The Speaker Any other Member wish to speak?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —in delivering this budget.
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 22. Honourable Member Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Perhaps because this new Minister of Finance introduced a pre- budget report, this whole budget pr ocess and the run- up to the Budget Debate seems to have filled the press and our days quite a lot more than I recall in the past, before …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue on.
Mr. Scott Pearman These are both very, very i mportant matters for Bermuda’s economy. The first is from the Financial Times, 18 days ago, on the 13th of February. I will just pick out a few select quotes. It is an article about the dispute that is going on between the United States …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member I think is misleading the House. And maybe the Minister of Finance can clarify, but I do not think —
The Speaker The Speaker Well, are you going to make your point of order? Make your point of order. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My point of order is, and he can prove me wrong, but it is not mandated by law that we contribute to the Sinking Fund.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member, continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman To the extent that it would all ow my honourable friend to sit down, I will accept that there is scope for discretion. Nonetheless, there are laws surrounding payments into the Sinking Fund, and 2.5 per cent of the debt is supposed to be paid in. And in rough terms, …
Mr. Scott Pearman Now, as I said — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Members.
Mr. Scott Pearman As I said, Members of the Government have announced to the media . . . one Member of the Government, a Minister, went so far as to say this, and I quote. “The Government has achieved” (achieved) “the first budget surplus in 17 years.” No it hasn’t. This budget is …
Mr. Scott Pearman And to be clear — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Let the Member speak to the Chair.
Mr. Scott Pearman And to be clear, so that I am not misleading anyone, I am not —
The Speaker The Speaker Let the Member speak here.
Mr. Scott Pearman —suggesting that this has ever been said by the Honourable Minister of Finance. So as I have said, a budget is just a forwardlooking prediction. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman And I understand the points about not borrowing from international lenders at a higher rate to put that money into the Sinking Fund, and have the Sinking Fund interest rate be lower. You know, that does not make sense logically. And I un-derstand that. And it would take, pr esumably, …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. What is your point of order, Minister? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The point of order is the Member from constituency 22 has said that this is a projection. The Government is projecting a surplus and that surplus will be applied to the Sinking Fund. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman That is a perfectly fair point, Mr. Speaker. But it doesn’t actually answer the point b ecause this is not a budget projecting a surplus of $65 million, and, therefore, if there is a surplus to be paid into th e Sinking Fund, it certainly will not be 2.5 per …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What are you talking about?
Mr. Scott Pearman But is a fair point that — 700 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Let the Member speak to the Chair. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Continu e on. Speak to me.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, for the benefit of those who are asking questions, What 2.5 per cent of the debt is, is about $65 million. That is what on an annual basis a responsible government would normally pay into the Sinking Fun d. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take it from the Minister of F inance. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am not going to stand up and pretend to be an expert on matters of law, and I would expect that Members who are experts on matters of law would …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! [Inaudible interjections and desk thumping] Hon. Curtis L. Dicki nson: I know what a Sinking Fund is.
The Speaker The Speaker Make your point, Minister. Make your point. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: A Sinking Fund and the amount contributed to a Sinking Fund can evolve over time depending on the circumstances. And the fact that in 1993 it was decided [to use] 2.5 per cent . . . there is nothing …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Or 0.00 per cent! Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I have chosen to have it at zero for the time being, given the circumstances that we are currently in. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Member.
Mr. Scott Pearman My understanding, Mr. Speaker, is that points of order are usually left for occasions when someone is misleading the House. I am not mi sleading the House at all. I am saying what 2.5 per cent of the debt is, which is circa $65 million, and that is what one …
Mr. Scott Pearman And it is not. And the Gover nment accepts that it is not. So let’s be clear and not let’s not play political games. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman And I accept that there is an e lement of discretion. And I have a lready accepted that, so I am not misleading this House.
The Speaker The Speaker Just continue on. Just speak this way.
Mr. Scott Pearman So it is about savings discipline and it is also about trust. As I say, it is not a question of saying, This is what we have achieved. We put a budget in a book and isn’t this great? Well, it is about what will be achieved and whether you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You mean, we do.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I am not the Government.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am just an MP.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Well, we are all in this together.
Mr. Scott Pearman We are all in it together. The credit card point. I think it was a very valid point made by my honourable friend, Mr . Smith, earl ier. It is an unwise idea, I respectfully suggest, to i mpose a sanction on those who use credit cards to pay their …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, let me just inform the Honourable Member that that charge was in existence up until 2016. It is not there now because the new system that the previous Government bought cannot . . . that system cannot handle it. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I cannot talk to the past. Like the Finance Minister, I am fresh and new, and I am talking about how we should progress in the future. Why I think it is a bad idea is this: People who use credit cards to pay certain taxes often do …
Mr. Scott Pearman In terms of the mortgages, I think it sets a very dangerous precedent to provide state - backed mortgages to civil servants. I have heard it called a “ pilot scheme” by one of the MPs on the other side earlier in the debate. I do not know if that …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman It says, under the heading, “Our Economic Plan. ” “Build on what we currently do well in financial services and tourism; diversify our economy so that we can attract companies in new industries to our shores; reduce the cost of living and the cost of doing business in Bermuda; make …
Mr. Scott Pea rman There is, therefore, at the m oment no clear roadmap to how this Government pr oposes to stimulate the economy. [Inaudible interjections] Mr. Scott Pearman: I have no need to discuss the America’s Cup, but if you associate stimulating the economy w ith the America’s Cup, so be it. [Inaudible …
Mr. Scott Pearman Another contentious issue is that of immigration. I think it is important considering the back and forth we have had during this debate on this issue just to highlight two poi nts. One is that, yes, we do need to attract wealth creators, job creators, to our shores. And, no, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point taken.
Mr. Scott Pearman And it is always easier, I would suggest, to grow what you know. And if we can help the existing businesses here to expand, that is a good thing. In terms of foreigners coming to Bermuda, they bring Bermudian jobs with them. Do not take my word for it. The …
Mr. Scott Pearman —there are good things in this budget. There are bad things in this budget. But if you have to distil it to one final point, given the $39 million of new taxes, the cost of living will be going up for Bermudians next year. That is something that we will …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise Minister Foggo. Minister Foggo, you have the floor. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand this evening to partic ipate in this economic debate.
The Speaker The Speaker Ms. Foggo, let me just remind all Members that when that clock up there passes nine o’clock, we will have reached that magical time of seven hours since this debate has taken place. At that point, all speeches are only 20 minutes. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: So, Mr. Speaker, are …
The Speaker The Speaker This clock is going to be set for 20 minutes. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no. No, no. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: So, Mr. Speaker, let me just say this: We have heard countless times today during this debate— [Inaudible interjections] The Speaker: Read your Standing Orders, Members. Read your Standing Orders. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: —that this Government can take pride in …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Yes. I just think it is important. The Honourable Member spoke about trash trucks. The Honourable Member might want to sit down.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. There should only be one person on her feet at the time. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Oh. Sorry. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: But speaking about trash trucks that needed to be purchased, you will recall that new trash trucks were purchased …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue to speak to the Chair. Conti nue to speak to the Chair. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: —which is purchase more. Mr. Speaker, though we know that many of our schools have been in a state of disrepair and r epairs of such a nature that sometimes require perennial and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Conch stew. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Conch stew. I have had conch stew in other places. But those things speak to what it is to be a Bermudian. And a former Member who is no longer with us, you would constantly hear her promote the Gombeys. And that speaks to …
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Opposition Leader. Honourable Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: That was the fastest 20 minutes I know! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The timer works very well. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Mr. Speaker, they are taking up my time. I have only got 20 minutes here.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. That is right. You will have 20 minutes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You have got 18 left. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. I have 18 now. I do want to say thank you to— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Your time is up. Your time is up. [Laughter] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you to the Honourable Pat Gordon- Pamplin for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Did you read the Budget Stat ement? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I read the Budget Stat ement. I read the Budget Statement. So, we will see. We will see. I mean, you said “ blue economy.” I do not know what that means. I am hoping that there will be …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Exactly. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We can read it. But you have got to do it, Premier. So, I am giv ing you kudos for going after FinTech. But I am telling you you have to go after other economies. There are not enough people on this Island to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It won’t be the floodgates though. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And so, no one is looking for the floodgates. But I think that we need some opportunities. We need to look, just as we looked at the tenacity of going out there for the sugar tax, we need that tenacity …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Things that make you go, Hmm. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Things that make you go, Hmm . That is right. Yes. Things that make you go, Hmm. And it does make me go, Hmm, now that the Honourable Member has brought it up, because our approach to the sugar …
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Let the Member speak to the Chair. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Fifty per cent was imposed on sugar. Let me just break down what that does for the local retailer, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Let me explain what that does to the local retailer. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Let him talk to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Cash flow is the major challenge for retail businesses in Bermuda right now. That is their major challenge.
The Speaker The Speaker You have got a minute and half on the clock. 708 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry?
The Speaker The Speaker A minute and a half left on the clock. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: What?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, 20 minutes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Retail businesses ar e having a real difficult time with cash flow. The minute that the price of those goods goes up, that retailer has to come up with that money overnight, because he has got to pay for it up front. A …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member —oh, Deputy. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I had a clear line down there, all those Members. Deputy, yo u have the floor, Deputy. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every time . . . first, let me co ngratulate our Finance Minister for a superb budget that has got …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They are doing it now. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: You are right, they are doing it no w. You know, in 1950, we had about just over 1,100 births, almost 1,150 births. You know what it is now? The latest figures we have got were 769. And that was …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, not one! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Why are the only pe ople getting special reports from the PLP? Mr. Speaker, in fact, I am going to keep r epeating this. About $16 million that was not co llected in the Budget Book, it says, because law firms undervalued …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We had a sermon tonight already. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, we did, from Pastor Caines. But let me finish this here, Mr. Speaker. I am still on the airport. In fact, there was the UK Charter. Raymond Russell always calls in to the radio shows and talks about …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak? We will stick in this corner down front here. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch There are not many people left, are there, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Continue on.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch First, I guess I should have a question for Bishop Caines, because it would appear that I am not as close as he is, and at his worst. But it would appear as if Members of the Opposition have had the similar sort of epiphany tonight that Saul had on …
The Speaker The Speaker You are allowed to talk about it as long as you do not get into the nuts and bolts of the figures.
Lt. Col. Hon. Da vid A. Burch No. I am not getting into any nuts and bolts. I am going to talk about some of the things that we are going to do this year, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Sure.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch If that is all right with you. I hope that I have your indulgence. I am going to start with land title registration, which, from our point of view, Mr. Speaker, is a landmark office that I would have thought everybody in this country would want to know how they …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I just pleased the Speaker? Yes. Mr. Speaker, can I get a few more minutes? [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nice try.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I would also like to report that the new government space standards, which is . . . I heard today that we do not have plans to reduce our expenses. Well, we certainly do, Mr. Speaker. But it is like a super tanker; you cannot flip that and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thirty seconds.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thirty seconds? Okay, let me . . . I have several others, Mr. Speaker, but let me end by saying that I consider it a distinct honour to have t his responsibility. And I would like to thank all of those people in all areas of the Mi nistry of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 4. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for allowing to go before our guest of honour speaker, Honourable Zane De Silva. He is actually going to be our guest speaker for Founder’s Day on Sunday. Mr. Speaker, what I want to do is highlight two particular areas as it has to …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, sir. I don’t believe that it is fair for the Honourable Member to say that that is an OBA script when individuals have their own attitudes — [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: They have their own attitudes and approach. And unless it came from OBA and from our headquarters, that is not an OBA script.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Speaker, I would have to say that we are constantly criticised in this House in r egard to national debt and not having economic stim ulus. I s that not an OBA plan? [Inaudible interjections ]
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Speaker, it was interesting what this constituent was sharing. I mean, I believe the Minister of Finance has already described this evening how we are working to get the national debt down. That is a goal that the country wants. I am hoping that it is a goal that …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert So, you know, the OBA has had their cuts at the civil service. An Hon. Member: And there have been sacrifices.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert And there have been sacrifices. But what we will find, though, Mr. Speaker, is I believe someone else spoke about it earlier in regard to the early r etirement. We are going to find ourselves in a real bind with early retirement if people have not planned for their future. …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Because they have to remember what we were put through prior to this administration. I just lef t my son’s . . . I had to pick up my son after his soccer game, football game. And there are parents there cheering on their children. Some of them have no …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert And abide by a sizeable amount. So if Bermuda is hearing me today, I am as king you to remember to not take on that Bird Box Challenge of not remembering what the OBA did put us through with their budgeting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Minister of Tourism. Mi nister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very conscious of the time so I will move straight to it.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If that’s okay with you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker No complaints here. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, I am going to pinball it around a little bit tonight, since I only have 20 valuable minutes. The Opposition Leader, [Honourable] Craig Cannonier, it was interesting how he seemed to chastise us on this side with regard …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go ahead, Minister. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, now, look, Mr. Speaker . . . and this is from our Finance Minister, Mr. Speaker. “Bermuda’s challenge is not solely the need for immigration reform.” (As they keep beating that drum over there tonight.) “Bermuda’s challenge is the need for fundamental …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Did not go out to tender. No bid, because, they said, You know what? We trust them; they are our friends; we can get it done. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And let’s not talk about how nice …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If you want to talk about cosy—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh yes! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —I tell you what, Mr. Speaker. Now, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member, the MP, Mr. Pearman, he said some interesting things. One of the things that caught my attention was when he said that our surplus is not a surplus. Our predicted …
The Speaker The Speaker Watch your tone. Watch your tone. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: They would have bee n up there one after the other —one after the other . . . Look, they have a deficit! [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But we say we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, if our Finance Mini ster would have said, Oh, we are going to . . . sorry , we are going to have a deficit this year, they would have chewed us a new one, Mr. Speaker.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! [Inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They would have had a song about it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh yes. Oh yes, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, Mr. Speaker, it is i nteresting. The OBA’s Rep ly is 26 pages. We had 22 pages . The first 22 pages …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The bishop. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The bishop, yes. Well, Mr. Speaker, I have to give a little hist ory lesson, because some of the things that are in this book, the OBA’s book, the first 22 pages, they talk about our past and how horrible . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He estimated (Mr. Pearman, MP, the Honourable Member) two hundred and some thousand dollars per year for the next three years. Eight hundred million [dollars]. Okay? Well, guess what, Mr. Speaker?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It was gone in two days. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A year and a half, two years later, guess what? He had to come back for another $160 [million]. The brains . . . the brains, the business administration OBA Members. Prem ier Wannabe, you could never think …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You’re losing time looking for it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, I ain’t losing no time . . . I’ve got my pages marked, cousin. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, in the OBA Budget Reply, on page 4, and I will quote, “Mr. Speaker, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. That’s right. Now, Mr. Speaker, let’s just talk about another bit of history. (Thirteen minutes gone.) From 1998 to 2008, I think I have to remind our people that our GDP doubled. It doubled. Do you know what that means, Mr. Speaker? …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Butterfield B ank. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, I’m saving that for last. And let’s not forget Butterfield Bank .
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh yes. So you see, those are some of the things that we did during our time, Mr. Speaker. Now, let ’s just put that one aside for a m oment. Let’s come back, Mr. Speaker. Now, here we go. Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, and I do not think that was from “those people” that supported them ei-ther. Or maybe it was ; maybe it was, Mr. Speaker. Now, Mr. Speaker, if you want to talk about some of the good things that we have done …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Got an OBE! [Laughter and general uproar] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The m an doesn’t bid on a job, it’s millions of dollars —millions of dollars —and then gets an OBE for it! An award for taking taxpa yers’ dollars. Go …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Fancy that! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Fancy that. Let’s not forget former Senator Vic Ball. He went to a commission of inquiry too. I hear about Port Royal, I hear about TCD, I hear about the Wharf, I hear about this . . . I do not …
The Speaker The Speaker Less than one minute. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let me finish here. Let me finish. I will tell you what, I am going to speak in another place on Sunday, Mr. Speaker. And I am going to go through some of these things with our people just so …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further speakers? Oh, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will pick up where the last speaker left off. And that is that last year I was able to stand here and deliver a budget on behalf of this Go vernment, which …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: And if you would have seen him at the Budget Breakfast on Monday, or if you would have seen him facing down Gary Moreno on Monday night, I was incredibly proud. And all of us on this side are incredibly proud. And this country is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly! Hon. E. David Burt: Will you cut education, like the OBA did? Will you cut health care, like the OBA did? Will you cut collections at the Office of the Tax Co mmissioner, l ike the OBA did? Will you cut investment in buses at schools, like the OBA …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. Hon. E. David Burt: No, no, no. They said they will keep the surplus so they can rush to pay down the debt. Now, I am not going to say that certain RG commentators, like Mr. Nathan Kowalski, who fell on his sword for preac hing that debt argument. …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Point of clarific ation. The Premier has pointed to a comment of $908 million. And he pointed that out to me, and I have acknowledged that that number is not correct, be-cause the Budget Book …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, thank you. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, they are too cute by half. And I know those tricks, because she has been following her former Premier who likes to take budget numbers and compare them to actual numbers and come up here and do all …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. What we said was that the OBA handed over a government spending of only 908, and that number I have just acknowledged, and I have corrected it to be $892,867, which …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Here is the thing, Mr. Speaker. I am going to make it real simple, Mr. Speaker. The figure in the Budget Reply was wrong. They handed 722 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly over expenditure targets at 923. The next year …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Many people have gotten the letters, many people have gotten the notices, many people are now having to find more money for mor tgages. Now, it is very simple. You can find additional banks to come into the country to provide competition, and you can …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister of Finance. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I am goi ng to be brief. I spent a lot of time last week . . . I am going to take my time, but I am still going to be brief. I spent a lot of time on my …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ah-ha! Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Because in the abstract, they are just an inanimate object. But when we start to talk about real people with real families i t is difficult. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order, yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, sir. I just wanted to clarify that we are not trying to cut pe ople. It is not necessary to cut the civil service and cut the government expenditure. The reason that …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, okay. A point of order, needs to be brief — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —and cost the government less—
The Speaker The Speaker —and not a speech. Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —which costs the government less —
The Speaker The Speaker All right — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —and people are not unemployed. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Continue, Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, what I would suggest, because I do not want this to devolve into a back -and-forth around this issue, what I would suggest is this: That as leaders of this country we have a responsibility to use our words wisely. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: —cutting costs, we need to be responsible about how we say that, because it impacts people. Okay? And if I do not understand it, I am going to ask you to be clearer in your discussions around cost -cutting going forward. Now, we talked …
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah, that’s all right. Members. Mem bers, Members, it is only the Minister on his feet . . . it is only the Minister on his feet who has the floor. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Now, the final point I want to make before I close, we …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Hon. C urtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resolve into Committee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2019/20.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy . House in Committee at 11:28 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 20 19/20 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Chairman, I now move Head 48 Tourism and Transport, Ministry of Tourism and Transport Headquarters. Mr. Chairman. I …
The Chairman Chairman Members. [Gavel] The Chai rman: And ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? There are no objections. Approved. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit on Monday, 4th March 2019.] House resumed at 11:29 …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, Members. No objections to [the motion] being reported back to the House?
The Speaker The Speaker No? I understand that all other matters are being carried over tonight.
The Speaker The Speaker Then that brings us down to Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House do now adjourn until Monday, March 4 th.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? No objections. Does any Member wish to speak to that motion? Oh, Premier, you are standing on your feet. Okay, Premier. FATALITY ON BERMUDA’S ROADS Hon. E. David Burt: I am, M r. Speaker. Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. The hour is late, and I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. The House now stands adjourned until Monday next at 10:00 am. [Gavel] [At 11:30 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 4 March 2019.] 728 1 March 2019 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank]
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