The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood morning, Members. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 1 6 November 2018 ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, the Minutes of the 16 th of November have been circulated. Are there any omissions or amendments r equired? None. The Minutes are confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 16 November 2018 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. There are two announcements this morning, first , we received communications from MP Weeks that he will be absent today. SESSIONAL AND STANDING COMMITTEE S— UPDATE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAnd the second announcement [co ncerns] the changes to the Sessional Committees of the House. And I also will be announcing some adjustments to the Standing Committees in regard to Members who are no longer in the Senate, the Senate changes. The House and Grounds Committee will remain the same, …
And the second announcement [co ncerns] the changes to the Sessional Committees of the House. And I also will be announcing some adjustments to the Standing Committees in regard to Members who are no longer in the Senate, the Senate changes. The House and Grounds Committee will remain the same, with the Deputy Speaker as the Chairman; MP Scott Simmons; MP, the Government Whip, Lawrence Scott; the Leader of the Opposi tion, MP Cannonier; and MP Ben Smith. The Standing Orders and Privilege Co mmittee is chaired by the Speaker. The Premier sits on it with the Opposition Leader , the Deputy Speaker , the Government Whip and the Opposition Whip. On t he Regulations Committee , the Chai rman is MP Swan; [members are] MP Famous, MP Michael Scott, MP Atherden and MP Pearman. And there are other committees which will need adjustments made due to the fact that the Sen ators who sat on them no longer sit. So we will have to replace [the member on] the Register of Members’ Interests . The Senator who will replace the former Senator will be Senator Kempe on that one. And the December 2 nd Joint Select Commi ttee, the change on that —again due to the fact that the Senator who used to sit in the other place is no longer a Member of the Senate —is that this member has been replaced with Senator Jones, who will sit on that one. And those are the announcements as far as the adjustments to the committees.
MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerStatements by Ministers. We have a series of Statements this morning. We have eight Statements. The first Statement is in the name of the Premier. Premier, would you like to do your Statement at this point? Copies are being distributed. Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood morning. 116 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly UPD ATE ON BERMUDA/EUROPEAN UNION MATTERS Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide this Honourable House with an update on the attempt by the E uropean Union [EU] to add to the list …
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Bermuda House of Assembly UPD ATE ON BERMUDA/EUROPEAN UNION MATTERS
Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide this Honourable House with an update on the attempt by the E uropean Union [EU] to add to the list of non- cooperative tax jurisdictions for low - or noincome tax jurisdictions (which the EU refer to as “2.2 countries ”) that do not comply with the EU demands for entities to have “substance” —that is to say, a physical presence and economic activity in the juri sdiction. Mr. Speaker, in November of 2017, Bermuda, along with a number of other jurisdictions, committed to address concerns raised by the EU Council regar ding economic substance and to make legislative changes as appropriate. Mr. Speaker, following various discussions with Bermuda and other countries in June 2018, the EU Code of Conduct Group [COCG] issued a scoping paper setting out the framework upon which legisl ation for economic substance should be based. On June 22, 2018, the EU Council of Finance Ministers, commonly known as ECOFIN, approved the EU Code of Conduct Group scoping paper as the official doc ument of ECOFIN (herein referred to as “the 2.2 scoping paper”). Mr. Speaker, the scoping paper identified a list of business activities in Bermuda, of both local and international business entities, to be targeted by the regime. These activities, referred to as “ relevant activ ities,” include banking, distribution and service centres, financing, fund management, headquarters, insurance, intellectual property, leasing and shipping. Mr. Speaker, it remains the case that the 2.2 jurisdictions have until the end of 2018 to begin to i ntroduce legislation to address these concerns; otherwise, they face being put on an EU list of noncooperative tax jurisdictions. Mr. Speaker, significant work has been carried out by the Government , to date, in consultation with a focused group of industry practitioners across the relevant sectors to develop legislation which incorporates the principles of the scoping paper into Bermuda’s framework. Mr. Speaker, a draft Bill and related r egulations have been discussed extensively with the European Union in a series of bilateral face- to-face tec hnical-level meetings, the most recent of which took place in late October in Brussels. Mr. Speaker, the bilateral discussions and our draft legislation are in an advanced state, and will be tabled for the consideration of Honourable Members during this sitting. Earlier this week, I provided a d etailed note to our industry partners , reiterating our position and confirming the ongoing efforts of technical officers and Ministers to address these issues. Mr. Speaker, in addition to the technical -level bilateral meetings with the EU Comm ission , I led a significant round of high- level political dialogue with Ministers of EU Member States. To ensure that Bermuda’s business model and hard- earned reputation remain intact, we have remained consistent in defending Bermuda’s interests in this international arena. Bilateral meetings have included the following : • Cabinet Members of Commissioner Pierre Moscovici; • EU Permanent Representatives of Latvia, E stonia and the UK ; • Mr. Wolfgang Schmidt, State Secretary of the German Federal Ministry of Finance; and • the French Director of Tax Legislation at the Ministry o f Economy and Finance in Paris . These meetings were important , as they pr ovided the opportunity to establish the groundwork for our negotiations with the European Commission, the Code of Conduct Group and the Member States. Mr. Speaker, what emerged from these meetings, partic ularly with the French and German representatives, is that European politicians are attempting to address the perceptions of their constituents and vocal interest groups who actively support tax transparency. Ho wever, EU Ministers have indicated that Bermuda has taken the right approach to engage and build substa ntial relationships with EU Member States directly, and many recognise our leadership in tax transparency. Mr. Speaker, I will be in Europe next week to continue our efforts in Brussels, and this will incorp orate fixing the site of Bermuda’s EU Representative Office in Brussels. I look forward to meeting with the Belgian Minister of Finance in charge of Combating Tax Fraud, Mr. Johan Van Overtveldt , as well as EU Permanent Representatives of Lithuania, Slovenia and Romania. Honourable Members should be aware that the Romanian engagement is key , as Romania prepares to take the presidency of the European Council in January 2019. Mr. Speaker, since I have been Premier , I have met with OECD Secretary General , Mr. Angel Gurria , on two separate occasions. Discussions in Brussels will include the effect of the recent announcement by the OECD that its Forum on Harmful Tax Pra ctices, better known as the FHTP , will event ually replace the EU’s 2.2 substance regime. On coming into force, the substance rules will no longer be only an EU standard, but will be come a global standard. Mr. Speaker, the FHTP will usher in a globally applicable regime with obligations to report and spontaneously exchange information to all treaty partner countries. It is important to note that the move by the OECD means that global standards in this area are developing. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members will, no doubt , have taken note of the recent Brexit agreement between the United Kingdom and the European U nion. T he section on taxation, and in particular , the text on page 354, paragraph 3 , confirms the UK commi tOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 117
Bermuda House of Assembly ment to the Code of Conduct for business taxation as it stands at the end of the 21- month transition period. Mr. Speaker, that section of the Brexit agreement simply means that the U nited Kingdom will co ntinue to support the work of the EU Code of Conduct’s 2.2 regime and the OECD’s FHTP substance regime after Brexit , even though the U nited Kingdom may not continue to sit at the EU table. Mr. Speaker, we recogni se that this legislation will change existing global business models, but in every test or trial there is opportunity. In the coming months , it will be critical for Bermuda and her partners in industry to commit to supporting the remaining work on this initiative, to ensure that Bermuda is able to emerge even stronger. Mr. Speaker, leadership has been demanded of us , and we are providi ng the leadership that is required. Our commitment to Bermuda and to the people we represent is to deal effectively with the cha llenge presented by these changes in global business practice. We will work with local and international partners to not only meet this challenge, but to ensure that the opportunities that will arise from these chan ges are used to drive economic growth and job creation here in Bermuda. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Mr. Premier. The next Statement on the Order P aper this morning is that of the Minister of Finance. Minister. US$620 MILLION 4.75 PER CENT SENIOR UNSECURED NOTES DUE 2029 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Spea ker. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members are advised that , on …
Thank you, Mr. Premier. The next Statement on the Order P aper this morning is that of the Minister of Finance. Minister.
US$620 MILLION 4.75 PER CENT SENIOR UNSECURED NOTES DUE 2029 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Good morning, Mr. Spea ker. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members are advised that , on Thursday November 15, 2018, the Mini stry of Finance successfully accessed the international capital markets and raised US$620 million in “long” 10year bonds. Therefore, in acc ordance with Section 2(3) of the Government Loans Act 1978, I am pleased to rise this morning to inform this Honourable House of the execution of this borrowing transaction pursuant to the requirements of the Act. Mr. Speaker, I can now report on this succes sful capital markets transaction, which raised $620 mi llion in 10- year bonds, at an all -in yield of just 4.75 per cent, by the Government of Bermuda. The transaction represents the lowest -ever bond spread to date achieved by the Government of Bermuda i n the public bond markets. What do I mean by the term “ bond spread” ? The bond spread is the difference between the yield on Bermuda’s bond, as compared to the yield on the compa rable, referenced US Treasury 10- year bond. This spread is the measure of what investors use to assess the level of risk inherent in a bond issuance, and it basically is an indication of whether we obtained a good deal or not —the smaller the spread, the better the deal. Mr. Speaker, here is a brief overview of the process that led t o this successful transaction. As announced on Wednesday November 7th, 2018, the Bermuda Government conducted a series of meetings and calls with fixed -income investors in Europe and the United States , to provide an update on economic and fiscal developmen ts in the country since the PLP came into Office. These meetings were also a part of the Government’s process of evaluating market conditions and potential funding opportunities to address its borrowing requirement s, as laid out in the National Budget Stat ement for fiscal year 2018/19. At the same time, it was also announced that , concurrently, Berm uda would offer to repurchase, for cash, two series of our outstanding US Dollar [US$] Bonds. Mr. Speaker, after hearing of the Gover nment’s plans to grow our economy and reduce our de ficit, feedback from perspective investors was very constructive and supportive of the proposed transa ction. Accordingly, the subsequent transaction attracted healthy demand from some of the world's top investors. Given the recepti ve context for new US $ debt issuance and the favourable prevailing base rates, the Government took the opportunity to do the following: • finance the remaining fiscal 2018/19 budget deficit ; • refinance a $135 million loan facility , with a l ocal financial inst itution , that is scheduled to mature in 2019; and • engage in, concurrently with the new issue, a targeted liability management transaction str ategically aimed at repurchasing all of our 5.603 [per cent] coupon bonds maturing in 2020, and at reducing up to $200 million of our 4.854 per cent coupon bonds maturing in 2024. Mr. Speaker, it is important to note that , although the Government issued a total of $620 million in new bonds, the majority of the proceeds were used to refinance existing indebtedness , and the remainder to fund the anticipated deficit for fiscal year 2018/19. As mentioned previously , the Government of Bermuda conducted an effective and well -timed road show that included calls and in- person meetings with almost 40 global accounts during a f our-day marketing effort and road show in the major hubs in Europe and the U nited States . These accounts would eventually represent approximately 63 per cent of the final allocated book. Mr. Speaker, following the road show, on Thursday , November 15 th, 2018, the transaction was announced , and the transaction immediately attracted healthy demand and the attention of the world's top institutional investors, allowing the interest rate on the notes to be reduced, thereby reducing that “bond spread” that I ref erenced earlier . The bond spread and a very large order book confirmed that the market has a very favo urable view of the new Government’s ec o118 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly nomic and fiscal plans. The success of this transaction is an independent, objective validation of these plans. Mr. Speaker, highlights of the transaction i nclude: On Thursday , November 15, 2018, the Mini stry of Finance successfully accessed the inte rnational capital markets, placing via intraday execu tion, a $620 million long 10- year bond offering due February 2029. This resulted in a low coupon of 4.75 per cent . The weighted- average cost of borrowing has been reduced from this transaction. Interest [expense ] saving s of $1 million per year have been achieved. Market conditions continue to favou r Bermuda, pricing just 20 basis points inside the last 10 - year issuance by the Government of Bermuda in October of 2016. (That was treasuries plus 175 versus treasuries plus 195, which we achieved in 2016.) Reductions achieved even with US Treasury 10-year rates widening 130 basis points since October of 2016. (That would be 1.77 per cent then versus 3.09 per cent last week Thur sday.) We r emoved $200 million from the largest m aturity tower, taking down the 2024s from $750 million to $550 million, smoothing out the entire debt ma turity profile. Refinancing of shorter -term maturities — Bermuda now has no major bonds due until 2023 instead of in 2020, sig nificantly improving our liquidity profile . There was a t rue show of support for the Bermuda credit from top global accounts. The order book showed a healthy oversubscription of 3.2 times, comprising some of the world’s top high- quality asset managers (fund managers, insurance companies and pension funds), underpinned by US ac counts and well -supported by the UK and Continental E urope accounts. Higher total order book than in 2016 (I think we achieved $1.5 billion in 2016 versus $2 bi llion last week ). Notable 25 basis points tightening from Initial Price Talk [ IPT] of treasuries plus 200 [T+200] to directly launching the trade at treasuries plus 175 [T+175] basis points. A well -timed execution, with the US Treasury Bond reference yield dipping to its lowest point in a month (3.09 per cent) , after trading to an average of 3.15 per cent during the past four weeks and trading as hig h as 3.24 per cent just one week back . Mr. Speaker, this landmark transaction marked the Bermuda Government’s return to the international capital markets since 2016, successfully reducing its average cost of debt , as well as extending the average life of its debt maturity profile. Mr. Speaker, the Government team that was involved in the r oad show was the Honourable Pre mier, David Burt; myself; and Anthony Manders , the Financial Secretary. The Government team was also supported by key senior officials in the Ministry of F inance Headquarters and the Attorney General’s Chambers. The Finance Ministry wishe s to thank HSBC Bank of Bermuda; HSBC Secu rities (USA) Inc.; and Citigroup Global Markets Inc. , joint book runners of the deal ; Milbank, Tweed, [Hadley & McCloy LLP ], the Government’s US [attorney ]; Simp son Thacher [& [Bartlett LLC ], HSBC’s USA and Citi’s attorney s, for their roles as strategic partners in helping to shape a very positive outcome for the Government of Bermuda in this recent issue in the global markets. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The next Statement on the Order Paper is that of the Deputy Premier. Deputy, would you like to present your Stat ement at this point? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Thank you , very much,
Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerYou have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And just as a note, I noted that there was a slight error on the front, Mr. Speaker. My named is spelled incorrectly. But that will be corrected in a clean copy to be sent to the House, for the record.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSure. Okay. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Someone else’s name is on the front, partially, anyway. [Laughter and i naudible interjections ] IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to inform Honourable Members and the …
Sure. Okay.
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Someone else’s name is on the front, partially, anyway.
[Laughter and i naudible interjections ]
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AMENDMENT ACT 2018
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to inform Honourable Members and the general public that the Planning Amendment Act became operational on the 1st of September 2018. The amendments seek to improve the enforcement process, enabling the Department of Planning to achieve greater efficiency , which will result in effective outcomes. Mr. Speaker, Bermuda’s planning laws and regulations are in place to ensure that Bermuda’s env ironment and beauty are not spoiled by rampant devel-opment and construction. They are also in place to prevent what occurred a few weeks ago, i.e., the exc aOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 119
Bermuda House of Assembly vation of a historical protection area and the desecr ation of a number of graves. Mr. Speaker, the prevailing attitude of many towards developing without obtaining permission is, build now then ask for forgiveness later. This legisl ation seeks to address such an attitude and make it clear that it will no longer be tolerated. Such prevailing attitudes are illustrated in examples of projects that include the following: building living accommodation extensions and a new swimming pool; a second -storey addition to create an industrial warehouse in a residen-tial area; and excavations involving heavy machinery in a historic protection area. Mr. Speaker, all of these projects were performed without the benefit of planning permission and building permits. In all of these instances, the unauthorised development has either compromised the neighbourhoods, damaged our historic heritage, or destroyed conservation areas including areas of woodland. These are all matters that planning legislation is specifically enacted to protect against. The 2018 amendments will provide the Planning Department with additional powers to take definitive action against those who proceed with unauthorised development, by imposing penalties including, but not limited to, the enforced removal of already -built unauthorised stru ctures. Mr. Speaker, the Development and Planning Amendment Act now includes the following provisions: 1. To disallow the grant of retroactive planning permission where development has been carried out in breach of planning control unless the applicant shows , to the satisfaction of the board, that he or she was not responsible for the breach of planning control or that, at the time that the development was being carried out, he or she did not know, and could not reasonably be expected to have known, that the developm ent was in breach of planning control. 2. Where it appears to the d irector that there may have been a breach of planning control in respect of land, a new notice will be introduced, known as a “planning contravention notice. ” The notice will be served on any person who is the owner, occupier or user, or is carrying out any activity on the land, r equesting information about the use or activity on the land. The notice will require such information to be fu rnished within a specified time not exceeding 21 days . Lack of information has been a severe hindrance with planning investigations in the past. 3. If a person is in breach of planning control, the director may serve an enforcement notice on the owner, occupier or other relevant person. If the person does not comply with the requirements of the enforc ement notice within the time period specified (not being a period of less than 28 days) , the person is in breach of the notice. However, if the person appeals the notice within the time specified in the notice, the oper ation of the notice will be suspended pending the final determination or withdrawal of the appeal. 4. A new notice known as a “breach of condition notice ” will be introduced, which, once served on a person, requires them to secure compliance with the conditions contained in the notice within a specified time period. Persons who fail to comply with the notice will be in breach of the notice. 5. The former “special enforcement notice ” has been renamed to, simply , a “stop notice .” Such a notice is ser ved in those cases where it appears to be in the public interest to require the immediate cessation of the development of land. Mr. Speaker, there are increased penalties for contraventions to the Act , which are determined to be criminal offences, ranging from $5,000 to $100,000 , with imprisonment of up to two years. If a person is guilty of an offence for failure to comply with a notice, they could be liable , (a) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding $5,000 ; or (b) on conviction on i ndictment, t o imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or a fine of $25,000 , or both, and (c) in cases of continuing failure, to a further fine not to exceed $1,000 for every day after the first day during which the failure to comply with the notice continued. Mr. Speaker, when the Planning Department are notified of a potential contravention of the Act, they will move quickly to investigate and, where contraventions are found, issue th e relevant notices to the owner and occupier , or agent and contractor. Mr. Speaker, I would be remiss if I d id not speak briefly regarding the excavation of human r emains at the m ilitary cemetery and convicts ’ cemetery in Sandys Parish. As you are aware, while the invest igation continues in this matter, I cannot discuss the details of the investigation. However , I can assure the public that action is being taken on this matter. I must also highlight the fact that no permission was sought to excavate in that area. I must also inform this Honourable House that , currently , guideli nes do not exist to deal with the po ssibility that human remains may inadvertently —I r epeat, inadvertently —be found on a construction site even when owners have received the requisite permi ssions. I am sure that Honourable Members will agree that, no matter the age of the remains, descendants would want their relatives’ remains to be handled with the highest level of respect and reverence. As a result, the Department of Planning is working with other government departments to produce guidelines to ensure that incidents such as the one that occurred in Sandys will not happen again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Deputy Premier. The next Statement on the Order Paper this morning is that in the name of Minister Foggo. Minister Foggo, would y ou like to present your Statement? 120 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, Mr. Speaker. And …
Thank you, Deputy Premier. The next Statement on the Order Paper this morning is that in the name of Minister Foggo. Minister Foggo, would y ou like to present your Statement?
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, Mr. Speaker. And I say good morning to the House and good morning to the people of Bermuda.
PLANET MATH’S SUMMER DAY CAMP PR OGRAMME
Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to advis e this Honourable House of an initiative that the Youth, Sport and Recreation Department’s Summer Day Camp Programme engaged in during the summer break. One of the objectives of the Youth, Sport and Recreation Department’s Summer Day Camp Pr ogramme is to provide the day campers we serve with fun education activities during the summer break. One of those activities was Planet Math . The senior officer responsible for the programme, Ms. Charryse Bean, began the consultative process with Planet Math in February 2018. Planet Math is dedicated to improving math competency throughout Bermuda. The cofounders, Mr. Kevin Warner and Mr. Sergio Pitcher, recognised that many students have an unjustified fear and aversion to mathematics. Mike Lefkowitz, of the MIND Research Institute, puts the importance of mathematics to students quite succinctly: “Studying mathematics not only will develop more engineers and scientists, but also produce more citizens who can learn and think creatively and critically, no matter their career fields. The workforce of tomorrow, in all fields, will demand it.” Mr. Speaker, Planet Math’s Summer Day Camp Programme initiative produced high- quality math lessons in one- hour sessions daily, with three one hour sessions per day. It should be noted that the Summer Day Camp Programme operated for six weeks, from July 2nd to August 10th, 2018. The Planet Math Programme was provided to upwards of 500 campers between the ages of four to ten years old. The department transported these students to Planet Math from eight campsites throughout the I sland at no cost to their parents. It has been said that students often lose math skills learned during the school year during their summer breaks. The result is that teachers spend at least a month reviewing prev ious lessons before they can progress. So, I am sure that at least the Minister of Education is very appreci ative of this initiative for what it will do for students. Mr. Speaker, it was the intent of the pr ogramme to minimise the time spent on revisions so that learning new math skills can be optimised. It must be stated that the founders of Planet Math were cognisant of the fact that the campers were i n “summer mode” and may have been reluctant to perform schoolwork. So, they provided dynamic teachers who understand that students learn and are stimulated in various ways including hands -on learning, and audio and visual styles. A combination of technolog y, drills and manipulatives were used to achieve these goals. The environment was catered to successful learning. In the words of Mr. Kevin Warner, who stated, “We feel privileged that we had the opportunity to work with these students this summer. Our hope is that they had a lot of fun while learning math this summer, but most importantly, they are able to carry this over into the new school year and were ready for whatever math came their way in the fall! Fear math no more. ” Mr. Speaker, the programme was such a success that it is planned to run it again the summer co ming. I would like to take this opportunity, Mr. Speaker, to thank the Youth, Sport and Recreation Depar tment’s Senior Recreations Officer, Ms. Charryse Bean, and her team, for their fores ight, and Planet Math for being such a valuable resource. The community has benefited. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The next Minister is the Minister of Education. Minister, would you like to present your Statement at this point? 2018/19 FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR BERMUDA COLLEGE STUDENTS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, and good mor ning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise before this …
Thank you, Minister. The next Minister is the Minister of Education. Minister, would you like to present your Statement at this point?
2018/19 FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR BERMUDA COLLEGE STUDENTS
Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, and good mor ning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise before this Honourable House to give an update on the Gover nment grant awarded to the Bermuda College to offer financial support to students for the 2018/19 academic year. Mr. Speaker, let me first remind my honour able colleagues that, since becoming the Government last year, one of our first priorities was to increase the accessibility to Bermuda College for students in fina ncial need. As the Minister of Education, I ensured that the Bermuda College was granted an additional $300,000 for this purpose, which is now given on an annual basis, to provide financial support to its st udents. Mr. Speaker, Members of this House will r ecall that the $300,000 was used to financially assist students enrolled in three categories of study: 1) non-programme and progr amme academic division courses; 2) Professional and Career Education (PACE) courses. This is a new benefit for students , as, prior to this, Bermuda College did not pr ovide funding for students enrolled in the PACE [programmes] ; and 3) Bachelor’s degree pro grammes offered through the Bermuda College. Mr. Speaker, to be eligible for financial support, students were required to complete an applic ation form and a worksheet to demonstrate financial need. Current students already enrolled at the BerOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 121
Bermuda House of Assembly muda College also needed to have a grade point average of 2.0 or higher. The financial awards ranged from 50 [per cent] to 80 per cent of a student’s educ ational costs, that were defined as the value of tuition plus fees. Mr. Speaker, during the fall 2018 semester, 132 students received a total of $223,431. [There were] 62 students enrolled in the Academic Divisions, and 70 were enrolled in the Division for Professional and Career Education, or PACE. Of this total, 33 st udents enrolled in the Bachelor of Business Adm inistr ation degree programme in partnership with Mount Saint Vincent University, and 6 are enrolled in the Teacher Certification programme offered in partnership with the University of West Indies. The awards ranged from $233 to $8,600, with the average aw ard per student being $1,693 for the semester. Mr. Speaker, this additional funding of $300,000 provided to increase accessibility to the Bermuda College programmes has impacted students in several ways: Students who did not meet the crit eria for receivi ng funding from the Bermuda College’s Financial Aid programme, but demonstrated a need for financial assistance to pursue their academic goals, benefited. This was particular to students enrolled in the PACE Division. Also, student s enrolled in the Mount S aint Vincent University programme were afforded the opportunity to take additional courses, thus decreasing the length of time that it will take for them to complete their bachelor’s degrees. Mr. Speaker, let me share that earlier this month, along with my Ministerial colleagues, I visited the Bermuda College campus. In fact, we had the pleasure of enjoying a most delicious lunch in the Prospect Room, which was prepared by students in the Culinary Arts and Hospitality Management pr ogramme. While we were t here, a mature student enrolled in the culinary arts programme shared with us how she had been made redundant from her job and was in the midst of ascertaining the next steps in her life. She had a love for cooking, and, after finding out about the additio nal monies provided by the Gover nment for students in financial need to attend the Bermuda College, she decided to apply. She shared how the funding received is now supporting her to pursue a passion that she always had for culinary arts and one that she l oves. Mr. Speaker, this is an example of what this Government is about —helping those in need to obtain the education and skills they require for success in what they do enjoy. Mr. Speaker, the 2016 Census Report shows that 51 per cent of the population has some sort of post-secondary education, which is 6 per cent higher than the findings of the 2010 Census Report. Although all demographics experienced an increase when compared to the 2010 Census, there is still a signif icant gap between the number of B ermudians and non-Bermudians with a post -secondary qualification, with only 46 per cent of Bermudians having a post - secondary qualification, compared to 70 per cent of non-Bermudians. The additional funding provided to the Berm uda College reflects the Gov ernment’s commitment to increasing the number of Bermudians with post - secondary qualifications, while also leading the way in demonstrating the value of higher education— planting seeds to encourage a similar mind- set throughout Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, let me close by saying that the Government continues its efforts to support Bermudians who desire to pursue post -secondary education and require financial support. This was re- iterated in the recent 2018 Speech from the Throne. We will e nsure that Bermuda Coll ege is accessible to everyone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The next Statement is in the name of the Mi nister of Works. Minister Burch.
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Lt. Col. Hon. David A. BurchMr. Speaker, we have heard an interminable number of lectures on the financial deficiencies of this Government s ince assuming office in July 2017, sadly coming from self -appointed experts who are attem pting to rewrite modern history in the hope that we have no historical memory. Endless lectures about …
Mr. Speaker, we have heard an interminable number of lectures on the financial deficiencies of this Government s ince assuming office in July 2017, sadly coming from self -appointed experts who are attem pting to rewrite modern history in the hope that we have no historical memory. Endless lectures about the servicing of our debt and, if we only we let 3,000 more people descend off of British Airways, all of our troubles would be over. But that is not going to happen until hundreds of Bermudians who are without a job get at least one. And might I remind those naysayers, and their media mouthpiece, that it was the former Minister of Finance, Bob Richards, who, in 2013, doubled our national debt to over $2 billion with nigh a whisper from those lining up now to instruct the present Government on fiscal responsibility.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is right.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. BurchMr. Speaker, when there is a change of Government, it is natural that certain it ems will be inherited by the next administration. What is not natural is that there is a mountain of issues simply left unaddressed. Since assuming this assignment last year, Mr. Speaker, I have spent an …
Mr. Speaker, when there is a change of Government, it is natural that certain it ems will be inherited by the next administration. What is not natural is that there is a mountain of issues simply left unaddressed. Since assuming this assignment last year, Mr. Speaker, I have spent an inordinate amount of time sorting through items sim ply ignored by the former 122 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly administration. A nd so, I report today on another occ asion in what is becoming a regular occurrence. Mr. Speaker, you may recall that , in 2011 , WEDCO was requested by the former PLP Gover nment to assist in addressing the housing challenges by way of a new housing development in Dockyard . By early 2012, the Ministry and WEDCO had signed off on the final design for them to construct a new 100 -home development within the lands around the existing Vi ctoria Row. The development was to be con structed in two phases so as not to displace any existing tenants. The first phase was the construction of 48 units, to be immediately followed by the construction of the r emaining 52. Mr. Speaker, the project was to be carried out , by At lanta- based Clark Construction International , by building pre -engineered units, shipping them to Doc kyard and then transporting them directly to the site. These units were to look and feel like traditional Bermuda housing, and it was expected that they would have a very high efficiency value, as they would be constructed of foam and concrete. The plan was to provide 8 one- bedroom units, 46 two- bedroom units and 46 three -bedroom units. The cost of the project was estimated at $36 million , or an average of $360,000 per unit , inclusive of all infrastructure that would extend from Boaz Island Village to the Dockyard waste treatment facility. Mr. Speaker, the project comme nced in the fourth quarter of 2012. Of course , there was also an election in December 2012 , and the resultant change of Government saw the new OBA Government reduce the number of homes from to 100 to a mere 20. Mr. Speaker, housing fabrication was already well underway , and, when production was halted, 28 units , or seven buildings , had been completed. WEDCO subsequently were directed to erect only five of the buildings , containing 20 units . Mr. Speaker, needless to say , the change r equired a complete redesign of the infrastructure for sewage collection, flushing water , as well as fresh w ater supplies . The final cost for production, infrastructure and erection of 20 units was an astonishing $25 mi llion. The remaining two buildings ( eight units) were not erected and remained on the South Basin Dock for three years. The directive to reduce the project size and scope dramatically impacted the cost and the originally projected cash flow. The Government had agreed to provide annual grants in the amount of $2 million [per year ] until the finance loan was paid in full. To date, $22 million remain outstanding. Mr. Speaker, WEDCO were further instructed that they could erect the remaining units in Dockyard. This was impractical ; so, effort s were made to offer these units to other sectors of gov ernment —the Ministry of Works, the National Stadium, the Ministry of Health and others —all to no avail. It should be noted that the panel and roof sizes were specifically designed for delivery and transport to Dockyard. They are large and extremely heavy sections . This made it more challenging for them to be transported to other parts of the Island (not impossible , but both costly and risky to transport piece by piece) . Mr. Speaker, the advent of the America’ s Cup event forced the removal of the leftover prefab units from the South Basin to a location just over the hill below Moresby House. Several months later , additional America ’s Cup requirements then required the units to be relocated again. This time, they were transporte d to the Sallyport , as it was not anticipated that they would need to be moved again. Mr. Speaker, the units remained in the Sall yport and went through two hurricanes , suffering signif icant erosion. M any panels , as well as roof sections , were undermined, shifted and damaged. The book value of the panels was $300,000, but they had already been written off. There are still many panels in Sallyport , but, without an extensive review and an engineering sign off, no one is confident that there r emains a com plete functional structure. These structures have been exposed to the elements and moved several times during the five-plus years since their arr ival. Mr. Speaker, upon learning of this saga seve ral weeks ago, I requested the general manager to ascertain their current status. Last month, he met with engineers onsite to look at the remaining prefab pieces. With out a major effort and cost to ensure each panel ’s integrity , the recommendation is to be very cautious about trying to use them now. What is in the Sallyport are only the walls and roof pieces . There are no interior fittings or fixtures. Therefore , any site that does not have existing sewage, and water supply and/or collection , will require the added expense of foundation slabs, water tanks and sewage pits. Additionally , the electrical panels , which were formed into the walls , will need to be replaced in every unit. The engineers ’ “unofficial ” position is that they would not recommend reusing them , for a host of reasons —cost of transport and erection, unknown condition of each piece and missing metal welding plates; also, lifting eyes and all windows have all been e xposed to salt for extended periods. Mr. Speaker, the best fit previously was the National Stadium , as they have central infrastructure already in place and were looking for housing. The previous Government would not fund the erection of the units when they were in better condition. The summary recommendation, based on limited research so far, would be that using these structures at this stage comes with significant cost and risk. A full a ssessment will require moving each part by crane, counting and then verifying that all of the required pieces are in good condition. With the current situation, Mr. Speaker, I have instructed WEDCO not to invest any more money, but Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 123
Bermuda House of Assembly to write off the remaining pieces and proceed to di spose of them. So, the reality of what we have here is that the former OBA Government has completely and unequi vocally destroyed a project that was to bring housing relief to 100 families in this country at a reasonable cost of $360,000 per unit . By any measure , cries from all quarters for the immediate dismissal of the Minister responsible would have resulted if it were a PLP Government. The fact is that there has not been a whisper of concern at the total financial irresponsibility of these actions that has resulted in the construction of 20 homes for the incredible amount of $25 million, or an astounding $1.25 million dollars per unit , coupled with the wastage of a further $2.2 mil lion in unused mater ials. The level of sheer incompetence in this regard by the former OBA M inister and Government is simply breath taking . What is equally astounding, Mr. Speaker, but no surprise to me, is that the Auditor General has not seen fit to launch an investigation int o this wanton waste of taxpayer s’ money. Again, history would record that, had it been a PLP Government, the report would have already been completed and released to the media. Mr. Speaker, I will not speculate on the reasons for thi s complete demonstration of incompetence. That is not necessary , as the then Minister continues to sit in this place. A nd I invite him to explain his a ctions and culpability —
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, let the Minister finish.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. BurchI invite him to explain his actions and culpability in this incredible waste of taxpayer funds. Mr. Speaker, of greater concern to me in my current assignment is that we are faced with an ever - increasing challenge in providing adequate hou sing for the people of this country, who …
I invite him to explain his actions and culpability in this incredible waste of taxpayer funds. Mr. Speaker, of greater concern to me in my current assignment is that we are faced with an ever - increasing challenge in providing adequate hou sing for the people of this country, who are in the greatest need. We will continue to work hard every day to address the significant challenge. And the people of this country can be assured that we will not stop until we have success. Thank you, Mr. Spea ker.
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The next Statement on the Order Paper is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Minister, would you like to present your Stat ement? Hon. Wayne Caines: If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue. GANG VIOLENCE REDUCTION TEAM Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, this morning I would like to highlight and acknowledge the important work that the National Security Ministry ’s Gang Vi olence Reduction Team continues to do in the comm unity. Recently , there have been suggestions that this Government has …
Continue.
GANG VIOLENCE REDUCTION TEAM
Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, this morning I would like to highlight and acknowledge the important work that the National Security Ministry ’s Gang Vi olence Reduction Team continues to do in the comm unity. Recently , there have been suggestions that this Government has ignored the serious gang violence problem which continues to plague our I sland home. In actual fact, Mr. Speaker, every day the Gang Violence Reduction Team is out in the community , working to combat the risk factors that often set our young people on a path toward gang involvement and antisocial behaviours. I meet with the team regularly and have great confidence in the work that they are doing. Mr. Speaker, the Gang Violence Reduction Coordinator and the Outreach and Prevention Manager lead a mul ti-agency effort to violence reduction. The team is supported administratively by the Ministry of National Security Headquarters staff. The team ope rates from a coordinated plan to tackle gang violence and antisocial behaviour through a series of strategically designed prevention, intervention and rehabilit ation programmes and initiatives. To this end, the team works in conjunction with the Inter -Agency Gang E nforcement Team (IGET). The IGET is a multi -agency working group that works to identify at -risk youth and develops multi -pronged mechanisms to mitigate vi olence and support prevention and inter vention efforts. Mr. Speaker, since September 2018, the team has been working with the Administration and Student Services teams at Ce darB ridge Academy and Berk eley Institute, alongside the Bermuda Police Service, to provide support services for at -risk students. The team visits the schools at least once per week. When ne cessary, this has increased to daily visits. The goal of each initiative in our senior schools is to provide incident management support , mediation services , individual student support sessions , and group sessions. Mr. Speaker, this initiative has already seen several successes within the involved schools. The team has worked with the Department of Public Transport to develop transportation plans that get st udents home safely. In recent instances of increased tension, the team has been able to go into the schools and coordinate mediation sessions between students involved in rival gangs. These interventions have real-ised a marked decrease in gang- related conflicts at the schools and in the immediate hours after school. Mr. Speaker, the hallmark of this initiative is the continued individual and group sessions that the identified students are invited to participate in. At C edarB ridge, the team is currently deliv ering a 10- week pilot Excel lence Programme. The programme focuses on incident mediation, understanding risk levels, and encouraging self -reflection and introspection. Through these ongoing interactions, the Gang Violence Redu c124 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly tion Team is able to help these students realis e their self-worth and see the many opportunities for selfimprovement which are available to them. Mr. Speaker, the team’s involvement with our young people does not start at the senior school level. Frequent interactions with administration and guidance departments at our primary and middle schools have helped the team to identify potentially at -risk students and put intervention plans in place to ensure that these students steer clear of antisocial behaviou r. The Gang Resistance Education and Training Programme (G.R.E.A.T.) remains an ongoing tool used within our schools. The programme is currently rotating through public Primary 6 and Middle 1 year levels. By June 2019, the G.R.E.A.T. programme will have reached all students in these year levels. Mr. Speaker, outside of the ongoing school initiatives , the Gang Violence Reduction Team conti nues to work in the community. In order to lower co mmunity tensions , the team also focuses on prison outreach and street -level outreach. At each level of outreach , the connect ions are made and relationships are built to facilitate the reduction of violence in two key ways : specifically, by directly mediating tensions and conflicts, between individuals and groups , that lock people into deconstructive cycles of violence; and by connecting the proven at-risk population to the needed help through community -based progra mmes and se rvices. Mr. Speaker, the team’s prison outreach pr ovides support for incarcerated violent offenders with links to gang activity. Where appropriate, the team offers therapeutic services and liaises with prison staff to assist with developing long- term plans for the inmate’s rehabilitation. For these identified offenders, the team provides an affirming resource that takes special interests in the well -being o f the offender and their eventual reintegration into society. Mr. Speaker, the work of the Gang Violence Coordinator, who is present this morning, Pastor Leroy Bean, is through high- touch, highly confidential and sensitive interactions . It involves his directly working with persons who are currently involved in, or have been directly impacted by , gang violence. As a result of the sensitive subject matter, it is not appropriate for the Government to provide detail on the particulars of this outreach, in or der to protect the confidentiality and security of all of the individuals involved. At the street level, Mr. Speaker, the team’s overarching strategy is to target individuals and groups who are known to be players in the cycle of violent behaviour. The tea m provides intervention through the formation of trust -based relationships that serve to de - escalate and mediate tensions when necessary. A m ajor component of the outreach at this level is connec ting individuals to neighbou rhood resources , and ma king neces sary referrals to case managers. The goal is to steer these young men towards pro- social activities by providing a range of opportunities for change. Mr. Speaker, one su ch change opportunity is what the Opposition Leader called the “c hicken farm.” It was attacked in his Throne Speech Reply. This is called t he Redemption Farm . This farm is still in the planning stages and initially will not have chickens at all. The team had a successful meeting with the Bermuda Farmer’s Association to share the Redemption Farm plan. The association has agreed to provide their support and assistance wherever and whenever they are available. Mr. Speaker, scheduled to be fully operational in January, in the 2019/2020 fiscal year, the Redem ption Farm will provide successful engagement for atrisk young men in a socially restorative, incentivis ed employment training programme. The programme will be operated from a holistic approach, and will arm pa rticipants with necessary vocational and entrepreneurship skills through various forms of farming. Additionally, case management services will ensure that personal development is also encouraged for those who subscribe to the programme. Mr. Speaker, the Gang Violence Reduction Team’s relationship with community partners unde rscores how much work that they do. The team currently supports a wide range of community groups that align with the team’s aims , including Mothers on a Mission (MOM) Bermuda, the Clergy Working Group, and Living Legends Community Group. Mr. Speaker, the work of the Gang Violence Reduction Team is important and should not be unde rstated. The ongoing gang- related tensions in our community have not been ignored. Rather, this Government and the Gang Violence Reduction Team have steadily been working to coordinate re sources to best address the issues , and we are seeing results. The team offers triage services and directly addresses the concerns of the individual or refers them to the appropriate agencies. Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank all involved, especially the Gang Violence Reduction T eam, for their work. However, Mr. Speaker, this team cannot do this work on their own. I encourage all of us who live in and love this community to roll up our sleeves to assist with stamping out the gang culture on our Island. Parent s and families must continue to be involved with their children. Churches and institutions must look for ways that they can support their communities outside of the church walls. Charities and sports clubs must continue to develop strategically designed pr ogrammes that divert our young people away from antisocial activities. Business owners must create training programmes that lead to gainful employment for these young Bermudi ans. Finally, Mr. Speaker, as politicians on both sides of the aisle, we must agr ee to support policies and legislation that aim to empower and elevate our marginal ised young men. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 125 Bermuda House of Assembly And the final Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Tourism. Minister, Mr. De Silva. AIRLINE INCENTIVES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the House …
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Bermuda House of Assembly And the final Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Tourism. Minister, Mr. De Silva.
AIRLINE INCENTIVES
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the House will be aware of this Government’s vocal opposition to the airport deal and our 2017 election platform pledge to review the project agreement between the Bermuda Airport Authority, on behalf of the Government, and Aecon and Skyport , to see if Bermuda could get a better deal. The report on the review of the project agreement, released earlier this year, recommended against terminating the agreement at th is juncture and, instead, recommended contract optimisations, or improvements. One such contract improvement is passenger traffic growth and revenue sharing. Mr. Speaker, I will update this House on pr ogress at the airport in the upcoming months. However , today I wish to speak specifically about passenger traffic growth and airline incentives. Airline incentives are tools used to assist ai rlines with esta blishing new air routes or expanding existing services, and they help to mitigate an airline’s financial risk associated with this activity. For many years, and up until recently, the Government, either directly or indirectly via the former Department of A irport Operations, has provided airline incentives in the form of a minimum revenue guaranty (also known as MRG). This involved making direct cash payments to airlines to guarantee a pre- determined profit margin. Honourable Members may recall that the form er Pr ogressive Labour Party Government used MRGs as a means by which to grow air service development and to complement the expansion of tourism markets for Bermuda. Flights that have become a mainstay of our air traffic originated with a robust and, ultimately, very successful air service development programme. Mr. Speaker, airport promotion and development is a complex matter that involves a detailed un-derstanding of airline economics, market analysis, and a firm grasp of the operational and competitive env ironments that drive airline decision- making. Accor dingly, the type of airline incentive, if any, must be aligned with (a) air service development strategy, goals and objectives; (b) defined benefits to all stak eholders. These stakeholders include the a irlines; the airport operator; Skyport; the tourism, international and local business sectors; and, of course, the Gov-ernment; and (c) a full understanding of the impact of incentives, provided to one airline, on existing airlines and competitors. Mr. Sp eaker, the desired outcome of airline incentives is for the airline to succeed in starting a new service or expanding an existing service within a defined time frame, and not to continue indefinitely. The air service needs to be sustainable and commercially viable without an airline incentive. Mr. Speaker, as of today, the Government, directly or indirectly, does not provide any minimum revenue guarantees to airlines. Whilst I would like to fully disclose the details of previous revenue guara ntee agreements, in the interest of transparency, the commercial nature of these agreements, and specif ically their contractual stipulations, prevent me from disclosing the specific details such as airline names, routes and amounts. Mr. Speaker, there are several reasons why there are no longer any airline revenue guarantee agreements. First and foremost, as a part of the ai rport deal, and since March 2017, Aecon and Skyport are now responsible for the marketing, business development and planning to increase the volum e of air traffic and passengers to maximise airport revenues. Mr. Speaker, it is important to note that Skyport receives 100 per cent of the airport revenues from what each passenger pays in ticket fees, and from what each airline pays in landing, cargo and fuel throughput fees. Mr. Speaker, this is a deliberate term of the airport deal, which means that revenue that used to come to the Government of Bermuda, and therefore the taxpayers, now goes wholly and solely to Skyport. Mr. Speaker, when MRGs were the respons ibility of the Government of Bermuda, the responsibility to pay for them was, as you would expect, the Go vernment’s. Honourable Members and the public may be surprised to learn that, in spite of now having this responsibility, Skyport has determ ined that it should not be responsible for making payments under the MRGs. It appears, Mr. Speaker, that Skyport is content to have the authority, but not the responsibility. The airport deal seems to have empowered Skyport to pass this burden on to the Bermudian taxpayers. Mr. Speaker, this Government was elected with a mandate to relieve the burdens of the har dworking, tax -paying families in this country. In a deal that has deprived them of a vital, national asset, as well as the significant revenues that it generates, it is unthinkable that we would sit idly by while taxpayers are forced to bear a financial responsibility that rightly rests with Skyport. Mr. Speaker, this is another part of the airport deal that has the potential to create challenges for the people of this country. I wish to be clear that the Go vernment of Bermuda will continue to support air service development and the strengthening of our tourism product with additional flights and new gateway cities. However, the success of these initiatives d epends on all partners —Skyport, especially —doing their part. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. 126 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly That actually brings us to a close of Stat ements of Ministers or Junior Ministers. REPORTS OF COMMITTEE S
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The SpeakerThe SpeakerQuestions. Before we get to questions that may arise out of today’s Statements, we have written questions this morning. There are a series of three questions from MP Gordon- Pamplin to the Mi nister of Health. MP, would you like to put your questions now? And be mindful, Members, that …
Questions. Before we get to questions that may arise out of today’s Statements, we have written questions this morning. There are a series of three questions from MP Gordon- Pamplin to the Mi nister of Health. MP, would you like to put your questions now? And be mindful, Members, that this is a 60minute period, starting now.
QUESTION 1: GOVERNMENT’S SETT LEMENT PAYMENTS TO DIAGNOSTIC IMAGING PROVIDERS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank y ou, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Honourable Mi nister Wilson would advise this Honourable House what was the final total of ex gratia payments, including dates and amounts of settlements, paid to each health care provider since July 2017, as a result of Gover nment intervention in the revised legislated reimburs ement schedule for diagnostic imaging?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood morning. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: For the period July the 17 th, 2017, to October the 31st, 2018, the Ministry of Health has paid $139,151 to the Brown- Darrell Clinic, repr esenting payments made on 20/12/17 of $120,000; on 2/3/2018, payment of $15,651; on 13/4/18, payment of $2,803; and …
Good morning.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: For the period July the 17 th, 2017, to October the 31st, 2018, the Ministry of Health has paid $139,151 to the Brown- Darrell Clinic, repr esenting payments made on 20/12/17 of $120,000; on 2/3/2018, payment of $15,651; on 13/4/18, payment of $2,803; and on 21/5/18, payment of $639. That again represents $139,151. And payments made to the Bermuda Health Care Services totalled a sum of $680,966, representing the following: on 20/12/17, payment of $480,000; on 2/3/18, payment of $91,439; on 13/4/18, payment of $47,947; and on 21/5/18, payment of $61,580. And up until the 31 st of March 2018, MRI and CT claims paid to the Bermuda Hospitals Board t otalled the sum of $1,863,305.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just a supplementary.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Because the Mi nister spoke quickly, I did not hear. The $139,152 was paid to whom? The first number that you said.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Kim N. Wi lson: The Brown- Darrell Clinic.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary or new question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, just a su pplementary.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGo ahead. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The $680,000 that the Honourable Minister mentioned, [did] y ou [say] that was paid to the Bermuda Hospitals Board? Or was that paid to Brown- Darrell, you said, as well?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, that was paid to the Bermuda Health Care Services.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary? Well, you used your two supplementaries on that. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMove on to your second question? QUESTION 2: GOVERNMENT’S SETT LEMENT PAYMENTS TO DIAGNOSTIC IMAGING PROVIDERS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. My second question is, Would the Honourable Minister advise this Honourable House what statistical evidence has been provided to support the amounts of such settlements?
The SpeakerThe Speakerthank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, the evidence used to determine the payments is as follows: For the per iod July 17, 2017, to December 31, 2017, the Bermuda Health Council reconciled the claims submitted by the private providers against claims data collected in the transactional -level …
thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, the evidence used to determine the payments is as follows: For the per iod July 17, 2017, to December 31, 2017, the Bermuda Health Council reconciled the claims submitted by the private providers against claims data collected in the transactional -level data (TLD) reports that are from the insurers. For the period January 1, 2018, to March 31, 2018, the private providers submitted the Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 127
Bermuda House of Assembly claims and the explanations of payments (or EOPs) documents from each insurer, verifying the claim payment made to the provider. And the Bermuda Health Council formulated an estimate for the Berm uda Hospitals Board [BHB] from claims in the TLD from all insurers, and this amount was offset to a BHB li ability to the Bermuda Government.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Supplementary? Supplementary, anyone? We will take a supplementary from Honour able Member from constituency 19. Honourable Member Atherden, you have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I guess, Mr. Speaker, and I am asking the Minister . . . the first time we heard mention of …
Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Supplementary, anyone? We will take a supplementary from Honour able Member from constituency 19. Honourable Member Atherden, you have the floor.
SUPPLEMENTARY
Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I guess, Mr. Speaker, and I am asking the Minister . . . the first time we heard mention of the Bermuda Hospitals Board was in the second response to this question. Surely, that infor-mation should have been given in terms of the first question, in terms of making ex gratia payments to individuals who had indicated that they were perfor ming diagnostic imaging. You never mentioned the Hospitals Board.
[Inaudible interjection]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSo, what information are you seeking? We need to have a clear question for the Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I would like the Minister just to clarify why the Bermuda Hospitals Board was not mentioned in question 1, but now, when she is responding to this question, she is …
So, what information are you seeking? We need to have a clear question for the Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I would like the Minister just to clarify why the Bermuda Hospitals Board was not mentioned in question 1, but now, when she is responding to this question, she is indicating that st atistical evidence was given to reconcile the account.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I coul d add to that by saying that that answer is in the public domain as of about 30 seconds ago. That was answered with respect to question number 1. I provided those details.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary, anyone? No supplementaries. Are you going to do your third question now, Member? QUESTION 3: GOVERNMENT’S SETT LEMENT PAYMENTS TO DIAGNOSTIC IMAGING PROVIDERS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The third question is, Would the Honourable Minister advise this Honourable House whether other businesses wil l be similarly compensated …
Supplementary, anyone? No supplementaries. Are you going to do your third question now, Member?
QUESTION 3: GOVERNMENT’S SETT LEMENT PAYMENTS TO DIAGNOSTIC IMAGING PROVIDERS
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The third question is, Would the Honourable Minister advise this Honourable House whether other businesses wil l be similarly compensated for negative financial impact suffered from legislated burdens since July 17, 2017, such as the sugar tax?
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer to that is no. Businesses will not be compensated for the financi al impact of the sugar tax. There was public consultation before a decision was made concerning the sugar tax, and businesses had time to prepare. This does not compare to the change in fees which were imposed without warning or consultation on DI [Diagnos tic Imaging].
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Any supplementary, anyone? Supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberPoint of order?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order? [Laughter] Hon. Jean ne J. Atherden: Sorry , supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I wonder if the Minister . . . (And I should have said a point of order, in the sense of . . .) The Minister is indicating that there was no consultation before the DI fees were taking place. I believe that this …
Supplementary.
SUPPLEMENTARY
Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I wonder if the Minister . . . (And I should have said a point of order, in the sense of . . .) The Minister is indicating that there was no consultation before the DI fees were taking place. I believe that this is incorrect. Because there was con-sultation. And therefore, I wonder how the Minister came to that conclusion, that the sugar tax had consultation and DI did not, and therefore that meant that the private sector people would not be compensated?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSo, your question is that there was, simply, evidence that there was no consultation? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: My question is . . . the response to my shadow colleague was the fact that — [Inaudible interjection]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet her form her question. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: My question was that the Minister had indicated that, in answering my co lleague’s question, there was no comparison between the DI and the sugar tax because one had a degree of consultation and the other did not. 128 23 November …
Let her form her question. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: My question was that the Minister had indicated that, in answering my co lleague’s question, there was no comparison between the DI and the sugar tax because one had a degree of consultation and the other did not. 128 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly And I am saying that I believe that the Minister is in error. And would she not acknowledge that there was consultation on the DI fees?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe question is, Is the Minister aware of the fact that there was consultation on [the] other change that took place? And the Minister’s statement to the former Member who asked the question was that there was no consultation on the original matter that was done, in comparison with the …
The question is, Is the Minister aware of the fact that there was consultation on [the] other change that took place? And the Minister’s statement to the former Member who asked the question was that there was no consultation on the original matter that was done, in comparison with the sugar tax having consultation. And are you aware that there was consultation?
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I spoke previously, businesses will not be compensated for the financi al impact of the sugar tax. There was public consultation before a decision was made, and businesses had time to prepare. This does not compare to the change in fees which were i mposed without warning or consultation for DI.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I have a supplementary. The public consultation, the consultation that was held with affected businesses, with respect to DI, the Minister indicated that there was none. Could the Minister advise this Honourable House how they came to the conclusion that there was …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker. That information was provided to me by the technical officers who were intimately involved in that process at the time. Hon. E. David Burt: Is the technical officer lying?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Not lying, Mr. Premier, just misinformed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary? Continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I have a second supplementary.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Given that there will be no compensation for financial loss to busines ses who hav e been similarly, negatively, financially i mpacted, is the Minister suggesting that this is a special deal for friends and family? [Inaudible interjections] [Crosstalk]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI would ask that you make— Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo, no, no. I have got it. Member, I would ask that you reframe your question or withdraw the question. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Members! Hon. Patricia J. Go rdon -Pamplin: Thank you. To try to get to the bottom, the Minister indicated that there will be no similar compensation for negatively impacted businesses as a result of new taxes imposed on them. The question that I have is, Given that there will …
Members! Members! Hon. Patricia J. Go rdon -Pamplin: Thank you. To try to get to the bottom, the Minister indicated that there will be no similar compensation for negatively impacted businesses as a result of new taxes imposed on them. The question that I have is, Given that there will be none, is there some reason that the Minister can explain the preferential treatment in the particular failure to commit government funds to assist companies that have been negatively, financially impacted?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThat is a more acceptable approach. And I would ask all Members to try and remember to reframe their comments and questions in a manner that is proper to the decorum that we like to see in this House. Minister, would you like to respond? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. …
That is a more acceptable approach. And I would ask all Members to try and remember to reframe their comments and questions in a manner that is proper to the decorum that we like to see in this House. Minister, would you like to respond?
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With respect to the question as it relates to the payments that were made to the private provider, I would like to refer this Honourable House to the [Standing Orders], which you would be familiar with, with respect to matters being already within the public remit, in particular with respect to Parliamentary Questions asked of me on the 9 th of February this year.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersAha. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 129 Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary. That is your sec ond. You have asked two already. This is the second . . . Yes, you asked two. Yes. The Member from [constituency] 19 has one left. [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPut your question, Member. Put your question. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: If the Minister would clarify to us, recognising that her response relates to per-sons who have indicated that they were financially impacted by it, and that was the basis on which the payment was made . . . …
Put your question, Member. Put your question.
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Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: If the Minister would clarify to us, recognising that her response relates to per-sons who have indicated that they were financially impacted by it, and that was the basis on which the payment was made . . . I wonder if the Minister could indicate whether the BHB had actually indicated that they had a financial impact and that was the basis for their compensation.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker. The reduction in the fees did impact the Bermuda Hospi tals Board, which is indicated at question number 1, in which the sum of $1,836,305 was paid to the Berm uda Hospitals Board for the reduction in MRI and CT …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary? We recognise the . . . You ha ve got to speak from your seat, Member. Member. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. It is taken care of. Member, would you like to put a supplementary question? SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Susan E. JacksonYes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. So, my question is . . . again, I am going to ask if you could please provide the dates. Because, as I understand, these are dates that were payments that were made after February.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: If the question is to . . . okay. • 20/12/17 —CT claims ; • 2/3/18—CT claims ; • 13/4/18— CT claims ; • 21/5/18— CT claims ; • 20/12/17 —MRI claims ; • 2/3/18—MRI claims ; • 13/4/18— MRI claims ; • 21/5/18— MRI …
Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: If the question is to . . . okay. • 20/12/17 —CT claims ; • 2/3/18—CT claims ; • 13/4/18— CT claims ; • 21/5/18— CT claims ; • 20/12/17 —MRI claims ; • 2/3/18—MRI claims ; • 13/4/18— MRI claims ; • 21/5/18— MRI claims ; and • 3/31/18— MRI and CT claims to the Bermuda Hospitals Board.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Mi nister. Does any other Member have a supplementary? No further supplementaries. That brings us to a close of the questions in regard to written questions. We will now move on to questions as they relate to Statements that were given this morning. And I believe that there …
Thank you, Mi nister. Does any other Member have a supplementary? No further supplementaries. That brings us to a close of the questions in regard to written questions. We will now move on to questions as they relate to Statements that were given this morning. And I believe that there are some nine Members who have indicated that they have questions. We are going to start with the first Statement this morning, from the Premier. And, Premier, you have a question that the Opposition Leader would like to put to you. Opposition Leader, would you like to present your question?
QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON BERMUDA/EUROPEAN UNION MATTERS
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And in asking that question, I just wanted to thank the Premier for just the briefing befor e even this particular subject, and this Statement was made. I did have a question, on page 2, as to where the Premier mentions the recent announcement by the OECD, that its Forum on Harmful Tax Practices coming into force—when was that statement was actually made?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I thank the Honourable Oppos ition Leader. I will try to get back to the Opposition Leader with the correct statement, the correct time. I do not want to misstate in the House. It was either last week, however, or the week before. …
Thank you. Premier.
Hon. E. David Burt: I thank the Honourable Oppos ition Leader. I will try to get back to the Opposition Leader with the correct statement, the correct time. I do not want to misstate in the House. It was either last week, however, or the week before. But I will just go to the technical officers to get the exact date. But it is a very recent development.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, yes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. 130 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, based on the OECD’s record, does the Premier believe that this new set of rules coming down from the OECD, quite frankly, probably will be more detrimental for …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not agree with that. Unlike the European Union, where Bermuda has no voice, Bermuda does have a voice on the Global Forum [on Transparency and Exchange of Inf ormation for Tax Purposes ]. Bermuda has …
Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not agree with that. Unlike the European Union, where Bermuda has no voice, Bermuda does have a voice on the Global Forum [on Transparency and Exchange of Inf ormation for Tax Purposes ]. Bermuda has engaged with the Global Forum. Bermuda had leadership previously on the Global Forum. The people inside of our office work directly with the Global Forum. And the Global Forum and the OECD, though they do have politi cal leanings, are not as politically charged as the conversations which are taking place inside of the European Union. So, I think that what countries can expect –– and the OECD has briefed all over Overseas Territory leaders, jurisdictions with financial services, and Crown Dependencies on these latest developments –– I think what we can expect is a fairer process. And so, as I said, the situation is in flux. We are trying to understand. I am travelling to Brussels next week, as was indicated in my Statement . I will most likely also make a stop in Paris to speak to the Secretary General of the OECD just to get additional clarity on these particular matters, because they are important. This is a situation that is in flux. But, I think what is the most important thing to recognise is that this is now not only just the Europe-an Union. If the OECD is now going with their treaty partners, laying out things that are supposed to be part of a substance regime, this is not something that is just Europe- based. This is something that is now going to form more global standards. And Bermuda needs to be prepared for that and to make sure that we can adjust our business models accordingly. As stated in the Statement, however, with every challenge there is an opportunity. Bermuda has a very strong record of being a place that has substance. I am often saying that there is a reason that, in Bermuda, we have more people than we have companies, because we do practice in the area of substance. And I do believe that these are opportunities that can actually benefit us in the future as the global rules begin to change.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any further question? Supplementary? No? Premier, you also have another Member who would like to put a question to you in regard to the Statement. We recognise the MP from constituency 22. MP Pearman. QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON BERMUDA/EUROPEAN UNION MATTERS
Mr. Scott PearmanYes, sir, a question for the Ho nourable Premier. Has the Government obtained an economic impact assessment from an i ndependent accounting firm on the EU substance proposal?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPremier. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes.
Mr. Scott PearmanIs the Premier prepared to tell the House why the Premier will not share that doc ument with the House?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPremier. Hon. E. David Burt: I am certainly able to, as I do believe the Honourable Member works at a law firm and is one of the people . . . probably a partner in a law fir m, who is one of the people who have been consulting on …
Premier.
Hon. E. David Burt: I am certainly able to, as I do believe the Honourable Member works at a law firm and is one of the people . . . probably a partner in a law fir m, who is one of the people who have been consulting on this. I do believe that some of his people inside of his industry, inside of his law firm, have had sight of that particular document.
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Hon. E. David Burt: I am happy to sh are it with Members directly. And I will be happy to share it with the Opposition Leader, with whom I have met on this parOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 131
Bermuda House of Assembly ticular matter. And I am happy to share it with him and the person who speaks for Finance.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary? Further question? No supplementary, no further question. We will move on. The next [question is on the] Statement from the Minister of Finance. And, Minister, you have a Member who has indicated that they would like to put a question to you. I recognise the Member from …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. QUESTION 1: US$620 MILLION 4.75 PER CENT SENIOR UNSECURED NOTES DUE 2029
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsMr. Speaker, in 2016, when the then- Finance Minister Richards did the refinancing of his $660 million for 10 years, he did so with a r esulting coupon rate of 3.717 per cent. The Minister of Finance has just indicated that he has renewed the most recent one at 4.75 …
Mr. Speaker, in 2016, when the then- Finance Minister Richards did the refinancing of his $660 million for 10 years, he did so with a r esulting coupon rate of 3.717 per cent. The Minister of Finance has just indicated that he has renewed the most recent one at 4.75 per cent. Can he speak to the 1.05 per cent difference, why it is 1.0 per cent higher than it was previously?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, what I mentioned in m y Statement when referencing the coupon on the newly issued debt was the spread over treasuries. Treasuries last week were 3.09 per cent, plus 175 basis points, which gets you approximately 4.75 per cent. In 2016, …
Thank you. Minister.
Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker, what I mentioned in m y Statement when referencing the coupon on the newly issued debt was the spread over treasuries. Treasuries last week were 3.09 per cent, plus 175 basis points, which gets you approximately 4.75 per cent. In 2016, as folks would know who work in f inance, i nterest rates for US Government treasuries were substantially lower. So, the spread over the treasuries at the time was 200 basis points, as opposed to the spread that we achieved last week, which was 175.
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary or new question?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Did you get that, Cole?
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsYes, I did get it. Mr. Speaker, he also indicated that the interest—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member“He”? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsSorry. The Minister of F inance also indicated that the interest expense savings would result in a savings of $1 million per year. When the OBA Minister did the same negotiations, that r esulted in a savings of $3.8 mil lion a year, which is almost $2 million more than …
Sorry. The Minister of F inance also indicated that the interest expense savings would result in a savings of $1 million per year. When the OBA Minister did the same negotiations, that r esulted in a savings of $3.8 mil lion a year, which is almost $2 million more than currently being saved by the current Minister’s new contracts. Can he speak to why their savings are much lower than ours, by almost 200 per cent?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dicki nson: Mr. Speaker, as I referenced earlier in my prior answer, in 2016 the interest rate environment was lower than it is today. The debt that was being refinanced in the financing in 2016 had a coupon at 5- ish percentage [points] versus …
Thank you. Minister.
Hon. Curtis L. Dicki nson: Mr. Speaker, as I referenced earlier in my prior answer, in 2016 the interest rate environment was lower than it is today. The debt that was being refinanced in the financing in 2016 had a coupon at 5- ish percentage [points] versus the r efinanced debt, which would come in around 4 per cent. The savings that were achieved last time were a result of the interest rate environment at the time. And it is basic, simple math. Rates have moved since the financing in 2016. The treasuries are now hovering aroun d 3 per cent, as opposed to hovering around 1.75 per cent back in 2016. So, obviously, you would achieve higher savings inasmuch as the interest rates have moved from those low levels in 2016.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Honourable Finance Minister could confirm that, with the 2016 interest rate env ironment creating a better spread on the negotiated rates, that …
Thank you. Supplementary? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Put your supplementary.
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Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Honourable Finance Minister could confirm that, with the 2016 interest rate env ironment creating a better spread on the negotiated rates, that the savings and the benefits that we will now receive are not necessarily as a result of effective negotiations, but, rather, as the result of external i nterest environments, to which the Minister already spoke?
The S peaker: Minister.
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Bermuda House of Assembly achieved was a tighter spread over treasuries than was achieved in 2016. In 2016, it was a 200- basis - point spread. In 2018, it was a 175- basis -point spread notwithstanding an increase in the underlying interest rates. So, the interest rate environment would suggest that the market has gotten worse. And we achieved a narrower spread in a worse market.
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An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThere you go!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary, anyone? Supplementary from the Honourable Member from constituency 19. You can put your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Minister. If you could just clarify something, which I read . . . on page 3, you indicated that you were ref inancing a $135 million loan facility with …
Supplementary, anyone? Supplementary from the Honourable Member from constituency 19. You can put your supplementary.
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Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Minister. If you could just clarify something, which I read . . . on page 3, you indicated that you were ref inancing a $135 million loan facility with a local financial institution. Can you indicate whether any local institutions have been part of your refinanced pos ition?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickin son: Mr. Speaker, I think the question I heard is, Are there any other local banks who participated in this financing? The answer to that is no, other than HSBC, who were part of the syndi-cate in getting the deal done.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary? Second question? We will move on to the second question. QUESTION 2: US$620 MILLION 4.75 PER CENT SENIOR UNSECURED NOTES DUE 2029
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsMy second question, Mr. Speaker, is, How much did the Government pay the bookrunners —i.e., Citigroup Global Markets and HSBC —for their service in this offering?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: I do not have that information at hand right now. But I will get the answer and transmit it to my colleague.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsWas there an allocation to the Bermuda market? I heard you say you have been to the US, Europe and the UK. Did we try to offload some of that to the Bermuda markets?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: The bonds were sold exclusively outside of Bermuda. The average purchase block would have been $200,000. So, no, we did not sell any internally.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary? Further question? No further questions. We will now move on to the next Statement for which there is an indication that a Member wants to ask a question. And that is for the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, you have question from the Member from constituency 20. The …
Ms. Susan E. JacksonGood morning. Good mor ning, Deputy Premier. Just a quick question, I am just wondering if you could just let us know. [Pause] QUESTION 1: IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AMENDMENT ACT 2018
Ms. Susan E. JacksonJust one minute. In a situation where the Planning is taking responsibility, and you do have a bullet point in there speaking about getting to that point . . . but when Planning has given approval and something goes wrong, who is going to be financially and structurally responsible for …
Just one minute. In a situation where the Planning is taking responsibility, and you do have a bullet point in there speaking about getting to that point . . . but when Planning has given approval and something goes wrong, who is going to be financially and structurally responsible for rectifying any errors that may have come from an error from Planning, versus an error from a citizen?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, that is rather hypothetical. My Statement focused on where persons disregarded Planning guidelines and planning rules. So, the question is really hypothetical. I am sure, if there is an error that relates to something that Pla nOfficial Hansar d Report 23 …
Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, that is rather hypothetical. My Statement focused on where persons disregarded Planning guidelines and planning rules. So, the question is really hypothetical. I am sure, if there is an error that relates to something that Pla nOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 133
Bermuda House of Assembly ning did, that could be discussed with the appropriate applicant as to what might be the remedy. But it is a hypothetical. It is hard for me to answer hypothetical questions under these cases.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary? Second question? QUESTION 2: IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AMENDMENT ACT 2018
Ms. Susan E. JacksonDeputy Premier, regarding the incident, the unfortunate incident up at the Sandys Parish excavation site, c an you please just clarify what you mean by, “The Department of Planning is working with other government departments to pr oduce guidelines to ensure that incidents such as [this do not occur]”? What …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you for the question. Without dealing any with the specific details of what happened in Sandys, which is all the subject of investigation, we will be working with the Bermuda Police Service [BPS], the Health Department and ot her related agencies in how there …
Minister.
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you for the question. Without dealing any with the specific details of what happened in Sandys, which is all the subject of investigation, we will be working with the Bermuda Police Service [BPS], the Health Department and ot her related agencies in how there will be guidelines on how to handle these situations as they arise. We un-derstand that they could arise by accident. But, as I outlined in my Statement, there are times that this may arise when there have not been the appropriate processes followed. And that is what this Statement is focused on. But we are working with the BPS, Health Department and other related agencies, the environment as well, because the incidents that arose recently happened in wooded reserves. So, it is protected land. So, we will work with all of those agencies to develop guidelines that can be available to everyone to know how they should conduct themselves if, by accident, this happens again.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Further question? Supplementary? No. Okay. We will move on. The next Statement that a Member has indicated that there are questions for is the Statement by Minister Foggo. And we have a question for you from the Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member, would you like to put …
Thank you. Further question? Supplementary? No. Okay. We will move on. The next Statement that a Member has indicated that there are questions for is the Statement by Minister Foggo. And we have a question for you from the Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member, would you like to put your q uestion?
QUESTION 1: PLANET MATH’S SUMMER DAY CAMP PROGRAMME
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the incredible success of Planet Math that was conducted during last summer and is intended to be conducted thi s coming summer, has the Minister discussed with the Education Minister whether this programme could be incorporated in the schools, as opposed to only being available to the students who are exposed to it during the summer?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minis ter. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: The Minister of Education is aware of this programme and is supportive of the pr ogramme. And the programme is to run during the summer to enhance learning that takes place through the previous school year so that students go back to …
Thank you. Minis ter. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: The Minister of Education is aware of this programme and is supportive of the pr ogramme. And the programme is to run during the summer to enhance learning that takes place through the previous school year so that students go back to school equipped and without having forgotten what they learned throughout that year.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary or new question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, just a supplementary.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just for clarity, because I think that success stories need to be su pported. And I just wondered whether the Planet Math environment could be available perhaps as an after - school extracurricular so that our students have continued success with the understanding …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: The after -school programme does fall within the Ministry of Labour, Community Affairs and Sports. And we will look at that. But the intent right now is to ensure that the programme runs during the summer. And it will be extended to middle …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any further questions? No supplementary? We will move on. The next Statement for which a Member has indicated that they have questions is for the Minister of Education. Education Minister, you have a question that the Member from constituency 8 would like to put to you. Honourable Member, …
Thank you. Any further questions? No supplementary? We will move on. The next Statement for which a Member has indicated that they have questions is for the Minister of Education. Education Minister, you have a question that the Member from constituency 8 would like to put to you. Honourable Member, you can put your question.
QUESTION 1: 2018/19 FINAN CIAL SUPPORT FOR BERMUDA COLLEGE STUDENTS
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsThank you, Mr. Speaker. 134 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Access to financing for education. I am supportive of what is going on. I just have a question in regard to mature students. Will mature students be eligible for educational support and finances?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I refer to page 2 of my Statement, last paragraph, where I spoke about, and I quote, “While there, a mature student enrolled in the culinary arts programme shared . . . how she had been made redundant from …
Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I refer to page 2 of my Statement, last paragraph, where I spoke about, and I quote, “While there, a mature student enrolled in the culinary arts programme shared . . . how she had been made redundant from her job and was in the midst of ascertaining next steps in her life. She had a love for cooking and after finding out about the additional monies provided by the Government for students in fi nancial need to attend the Bermuda Co llege, she decided to apply.” And she was granted. So, the simple answer to that is yes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. Seco nd question. QUESTION 2: 2018/19 FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR BERMUDA COLLEGE STUDENTS
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsThere is a requirement for students to have a 2.0 grade point average or higher. For those mature students who have been out of school for 5 to 10 year s, how do you manage their applications? They may not have been in secondary school or in a college for …
There is a requirement for students to have a 2.0 grade point average or higher. For those mature students who have been out of school for 5 to 10 year s, how do you manage their applications? They may not have been in secondary school or in a college for 10 years or 15 years. How do we assess them to make sure that they are not left behind?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, once again I refer to the Statement. It stated that “Current students, already enrolled at the Bermuda College, also needed to have a grade point average of 2.00 or higher.” Mr. Speaker, anyone can apply to the college. If they …
Thank you. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, once again I refer to the Statement. It stated that “Current students, already enrolled at the Bermuda College, also needed to have a grade point average of 2.00 or higher.” Mr. Speaker, anyone can apply to the college. If they are accepted, based on what they present, they are elig ible to apply for the grant.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary? Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, just a su pplementary.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just for clarity, if someone has not been in school for an extended p eriod of time, they make an application. What criteria must they possess in order to ensure that they can be favourably considered, so that we can maximise what is …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I clarify. You apply for a course. You are at the Bermuda College. You obtain your enro lment. Then you apply for the grant. And, as long as you are accepted into the course and enrolled in …
Thank you. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I clarify. You apply for a course. You are at the Bermuda College. You obtain your enro lment. Then you apply for the grant. And, as long as you are accepted into the course and enrolled in the college, you are eligible to apply for grants.
[Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. Okay. No further questions? Thank you. We will move on. The next Statement for which there are Members who wish to ask ques tions is the Statement from the Minister of National Secur ity. Minister, you have two Members who would like to put questions. The first is the …
Okay. Okay. No further questions? Thank you. We will move on. The next Statement for which there are Members who wish to ask ques tions is the Statement from the Minister of National Secur ity. Minister, you have two Members who would like to put questions. The first is the Member from constituency 31. Honourable Member, would you like to put your question?
QUESTION 1: GANG VIOLENC E REDUCTION TEAM
Mr. Ben SmithGood morning and thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the Minister for the update. O bviously, there are a lot of moving parts, a lot of things that he is having to deal with. I just wonder if the Mi nister could tell us, ho w many people make …
Good morning and thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the Minister for the update. O bviously, there are a lot of moving parts, a lot of things that he is having to deal with. I just wonder if the Mi nister could tell us, ho w many people make up the Gang Violence Reduction Team?
Hon. Wayne Caines: As stated in the Statement, there are two people who are employed by the Mini stry. We have support staff, and we have a number of ancillary people who work with the unit on a case- bycase basis. For instance, we have great officers who work with the project, but they are employed by the Bermuda Police Service. We have people who help [from] MOM [Mothers on a Mission] Bermuda, who are employed as psychologists or sociologists with the Department of Social Services. So, there are two people who are employed with the Gang Violence Reduction Unit. But the Ministry staff, when there are administrative things that need them, the Ministry staff generally pitch in where there are obviously admini strative tasks that need to be done. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 135
Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. Ben SmithJust following on from that, what I am looking for is, have there been any requests for more staff? Because, obviously, with a task this big, which is obviously important to the entire country, do the two Members need more support so that they can conti nue to do this …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Ministe r. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, the challenge is not employees. The need is in programmes. And so, the Ministry can continue to hire people ad infinitum. The challenge is we are looking for specific pr ogrammes that actually attack the core needs. Speci fically, there is …
Thank you. Ministe r.
Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, the challenge is not employees. The need is in programmes. And so, the Ministry can continue to hire people ad infinitum. The challenge is we are looking for specific pr ogrammes that actually attack the core needs. Speci fically, there is a need based on the survey of at -risk children. The number -one need that came back, the biggest challenge that the young people have said, as a result of the survey, is bullying. And so, we are not going to hire a bullying coordinator; we are going to look at putting together a programme that we can then have an RFP for an ent ity to put together a programme that allows us to deal with bullying, which will be managed, and the matrix for managing that, obviously, will be managed by the Gang Violence Reduction Coordinator. So, this is not a matter of throwing warm bodies at a problem. It is identifying the program, and we have done so. Now we are implementing programmes that are quantifiable and that allow us to manage what we believe is the gang violence reduction strategy.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any further questions? Okay. Minister, you also have a question from the Member from constituency 10. Member, would you like to put your question now? QUESTION 1: GANG VIOLENCE REDUCTION TEAM Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to colleagues and the listening audience. …
Thank you. Any further questions? Okay. Minister, you also have a question from the Member from constituency 10. Member, would you like to put your question now?
QUESTION 1: GANG VIOLENCE REDUCTION TEAM
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to colleagues and the listening audience. Mr. Speaker, in connection with the Stat ement, the Honourable Minister gives a comprehensive overview of ongoing programmes and new pr ogrammes. The question to the Honourable Minister: Is the Trauma Indicator Checklist still being used, be-cause it identified our at-risk children in schools and in other programmes? Is that still being used?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: The trauma checklist, as I just stated, that is the absolute baseline for the majority of the programmes. The Trauma Indicator Checklist allowed us to see where the vulnerabilities are in our country with reference to our young people in our schools. As you …
Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: The trauma checklist, as I just stated, that is the absolute baseline for the majority of the programmes. The Trauma Indicator Checklist allowed us to see where the vulnerabilities are in our country with reference to our young people in our schools. As you w ill see from the Statement, this is why we have structured the programmes in both of our senior schools. And that is why the grade officers are happy to programme in the middle schools. The Trauma I ndicator Checklist is one of the key hallmarks that we are using to make and ensure that our pr ogrammes are actually touching on the key touch - points as it relates to at -risk young people in our cou ntry and, spe cifically, in at -risk communities.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Further question or supplementary? Hon. M ichael H. Dunkley: Further question, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSecond question. QUESTION 2: GANG VIOLENCE REDUCTION TEAM Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. On page 4, the Honourable Minister mentions the Redemption Farm. Question for the Honour able Minister: Who called the meeting with the Bermuda Farmers Association? And what were the agreed outcomes between both parties?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, we were having ongoing talks with specific farmers. And so, just to be clear, the Bermuda Farmers Association has a number of farmers. We have been talking to specific far mers. We received a telephone call from Mr. Carlos Amaral, the President …
Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, we were having ongoing talks with specific farmers. And so, just to be clear, the Bermuda Farmers Association has a number of farmers. We have been talking to specific far mers. We received a telephone call from Mr. Carlos Amaral, the President of the Bermuda Farmers Ass ociation. And we had a marvellous convers ation where we were able to set out the country’s vision for R edemption Farms. And we had the majority of the farmers in Bermuda. But we want to make it clear that, prior to the conversation with the [President] of the Farmers A ssociation, we were having, and had, talks with a number of Bermuda’s local farmers.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. 136 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Further question? Or supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGo ahead. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Has the Board of Agricu lture been involved in this programme from the begi nning?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Wayne Caines: With have kept the Minister with responsibility abreast at all times of this endeavour, who has dominion over that particular entity.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Supplementary or new question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: New question, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThird question. QUESTION 3: GANG VIOLENCE REDUCTION TEAM Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: In the Statement, on page 4, the Honourable Minister says that the programme is scheduled to be fully operational in 2019/20. What parts are currently operational?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, if you would allow me to just give a more fulsome answer. The initi ative—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerBriefly, but continue. Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the farm has specific elements to it. The first part of the farming initiative is actually to actually get the Greenwich Farm to make it fit for purpose. This is a farm that had been o vergrown. There …
Briefly, but continue.
Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the farm has specific elements to it. The first part of the farming initiative is actually to actually get the Greenwich Farm to make it fit for purpose. This is a farm that had been o vergrown. There were a number of things that were happening on the farm. There were so many different elements that had to be put together to actually get the farm ready. There are a number of pieces of equipment that have to be ordered. There are contract s that have to be drafted up. And so, we believe that the farming portion was the first portion. The field has been cleared. They are starting to grow seedlings. And they have put together a far ming plan. The most important part of the initiative for Redemption Farm is actually the sociological piece. This is the piece where . . . remember, we are going to take six to eight young men or women who are at risk. And they are going to be getting a BARC [Ber-muda Assessment and Referral Centre] assessment and referral to help if they have substance abuse. They are going to be assessed for whether they have any mental health issues and whether they have any issues with reference to violence. And so, we are putting together a fulsome programme. That involves an academy study. That involves talking to other Ministers. And this part, we realise that this is the most significant part. And so, rather than run down the hill, we are preparing the farm. We are getting all of the farming pieces ready. And we are going to be prepared to accept cand idates —i.e., young men or young women. And we believe that, when we have all of the elements in place, we believe that, in January, we will be able to accept people into the plan. But that does not mean that we cannot have the f arm ready and fit for purpose, seedlings ready, opportunities to discuss irrigation plans ready.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Supplementary? Because you used all three questions , it will have to be a supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Du nkley: Supplementary. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the answer, I appr eciate that from the Minister. What is the budget for the Redemption Farm? And have any …
Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Because you used all three questions , it will have to be a supplementary.
SUPPLEMENTARY
Hon. Michael H. Du nkley: Supplementary. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the answer, I appr eciate that from the Minister. What is the budget for the Redemption Farm? And have any funds been used, been paid to date?
Hon. Wayne Caines: We are still putting the plan t ogether. Ther e is a public —there will be an element of this, we are still putting the budget together. With reference to, have any funds been used to date? The answer is no.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo further questions? No further supplementary? The next question for the next S tatement on the Order Paper is that of the Minister of Tourism. Minister, you have a question to be put from the Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member. [Crosstalk ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOh. Sorry. It is the Member from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that my honourable colleague, Pat Gordon - Pamplin, and I get confused all the time. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 137 Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter] QUESTION 1: AIRLINE …
Oh. Sorry. It is the Member from constituency 10.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that my honourable colleague, Pat Gordon - Pamplin, and I get confused all the time. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 137
Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter]
QUESTION 1: AIRLINE INCENTIVES
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because we are hardworking politicians, like many in this House. Mr. Speaker, the question to the Honourable Minister of Tourism in his Statement in regard to ai rline incentives. I refer to the second- to-the-last page, page 5. I know the Government has clearly, on a number of occasions, expressed their displeas ure for the airport deal. And in spite of that, they are not in any position to change it. But, in the last part of the last paragraph on that page, the Honourable Minister says, “ I wish to be clear that the Government . . . will continue to support air service development and the strengthening of our tourism product . . . .” Mr. Speaker, what is the vision and what is the current plan to continue to support and develop the tourism product through airline incentives?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would refer that Honourable Member to the Tourism Plan that was made public just a couple of weeks ago. It has everything in fine detail.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister, thank you. [Inaudible interjection]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThat is fine. No further question? That brings us to the end of our . . . [Crosstalk ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI beg your pardon, Members. [Crosstalk ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members! Members, that brings us to a close of the Question and Answer period. We now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The SpeakerThe SpeakerDoes any Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member, the Mi nister of Education. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like congratulations sent, and I want to associate the entire House, to the prizegiving that was held, to all of the …
Does any Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member, the Mi nister of Education.
Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like congratulations sent, and I want to associate the entire House, to the prizegiving that was held, to all of the students who r eceived prizes from CedarBridge at the prize- giving that was held on Wednesday. Also, to the Berkeley Institute students, whose prize- giving was held l ast night. I would also like congratulations sent to the alumni of the Victor Scott Primary [School] who were honoured earlier this week, on Monday, Ms. Valerie Williams, Ms. Savanah DeVent, and our very own MP Neville Tyrrell. The Victor Scott School hos ts an annual Heroes Day, where they recognise alumni. And they come back to the school to be recognised by the students and by the teachers. Lastly, Mr. Speaker, a letter of congratulations sent to the Somerset Primary [School], who held their science fai r on Tuesday. While I was unable to make it, I did have someone on the scene who told me that some of the events that went on up there were quite interesting. And it is very good to see that our primary schools are still continuing on with our STEM [sc ience, technology, engineering and math] curriculum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. We now recognise the honourable Member from constituency 32.
Mr. Scott SimmonsGood morning, Mr. Speaker. I rise on this solemn occasion to ask that this Honourable House send condolences to the Tuzo family, who have lost a true Bermudian son in Mr. Ross Tuzo. Mr. Speaker, I associate a number of Members in the House in this regard —
Mr. Scott SimmonsIt would be difficult, to speak in such affectionate terms of Uncle Ross without mentioning his endearing late wife, Gloria Tuzo, who passed about a year ago. Their impact on our Berm udian community will be long felt. And, although we see them both as a fantastic partnership that stood …
It would be difficult, to speak in such affectionate terms of Uncle Ross without mentioning his endearing late wife, Gloria Tuzo, who passed about a year ago. Their impact on our Berm udian community will be long felt. And, although we see them both as a fantastic partnership that stood the test of time, Uncle Ross, in his own right, made an absolute mark in his own right, a mark in all that he met. And with his broad, beguiling smile and deep laugh, he left you knowing that you had met a man of true stature and strength. Mr. Speaker, he at times appeared quite humble and mild. But, when he engaged me in con-versation on politics and country, you saw his love for his family and the deep respect for the Bermuda he also loved. I can see him now, riding his motorcycle with a Bermuda window shutter , a pair, on the back. And he would stop me, and whatever preoccupied him, he always had time to chat and ask how Gladys was, my grandmother, how she was doing, and the family at large. 138 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, we continue to lose true icons, and fellow Bermudians who epitomise the true spirit of Bermuda and the culture and the traditions which we love and we cherish. Present and upcoming gener ations would be wise to follow the example of Uncle Ross, of being true to their convictions and to live life to the fullest, with humility, respect, flair and dignity. May he rest in peace, and our hearts and prayers are extended to my cousin, Debby, and also my cousin Livingston, and the rest of the family. Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. We recognise . . . Premier? [Inaudible interjection]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. I thought you looked like you were about to step away that time. Premier, would you like to have the floor at this moment? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, I would, Mr. Speaker. And thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, as you can recall, last week I was detained …
Okay. I thought you looked like you were about to step away that time. Premier, would you like to have the floor at this moment? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, I would, Mr. Speaker. And thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, as you can recall, last week I was detained from my timely return to the House of Assembly due to unfortunate weather in the Nort heast. So, I was not present last week, Mr. Speaker, during congrats and obituaries. But I would like to make sure that, at least for the record, I associate m yself with the messages of condolences that were shared for the family of Mr. Allan Smith, and also Mr . Kenny Paul. Mr. Allan Smith was a member of the PLP family and no stranger to politics, an open advocate for the Bermudianisation of the workplace and a staunch supporter of racial justice on the Island. I send my heartfelt condolences to all of his fam ily and friends. And, of course, two of his sons actually work directly for departments that are underneath my charge in the Government of Bermuda. I would also like to acknowledge the passing of Mr. Kenny Paul, a shining light of the Bermuda I ndustrial U nion [BIU], without question a [prominent] figure. The other day, I was in the BIU building, and his picture is, of course, there on the wall as the lea der, who he was. Not only did he play an enormous role in the BELCO riots; but also, he was a community man demonstrating his talents for the wrong team at Cup Match.
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Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersNo. No! Hon. E. David Burt: That is why Chris Famous loves him so much. But we do extend our condolences to his fam ily and friends as they mourn the loss of this truly great man. In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to send my condolences …
No. No!
Hon. E. David Burt: That is why Chris Famous loves him so much. But we do extend our condolences to his fam ily and friends as they mourn the loss of this truly great man. In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to send my condolences to the family and friends of my constituent, Mr. Beresford Mancerfield Wade, who passed away week before last at the age of 69. Mr. Wade leaves to mourn his two children, Jamika and Julani , and we wish them comfort during this difficult time. On a specific note, and I sincerely hope the Minister who has responsibility for Sports will not get too upset at me. I would just like to say a very big note of congratulations and thanks to the players, coaches and family members and the Bermuda public for a spectacular atmosphere, in the driving rain, last Friday at the Bermuda National Stadium, for Bermuda versus El Salvador. Through that rain, our national squad performed phenomenally. And we have one more vi ctory to earn so that we can, hopefully, advance to the Gold Cup. With that, I would just like to let Members of the House know that the Government is working with the Bermuda Football Association to make sure that we can assist in whatever levels of preparation are necessary to give our team the best opportunity that they can have for success as they face the Dominican Republic in March. So, I just wanted to make sure that we publicly recognised the team and wished them success in their future endeavours. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Mr. Premier. I now recognise the Deputy Premier. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I wish to first ensure that the House acknow ledges that a certain young gentleman turns 40 today and will be celebrating . . . the Honourable Premier E. …
Thank you, Mr. Premier. I now recognise the Deputy Premier. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I wish to first ensure that the House acknow ledges that a certain young gentleman turns 40 today and will be celebrating . . . the Honourable Premier E. David G. Burt. And I would hope that the House would see fit to acknowledge his special day today. Forty years ago was so long for me I just barely remem ber that it existed.
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Hon. Walter H. Roban: But since he has reached that plateau, then I congratulate him and his family for reaching that achievement.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberA way, distant memory? Hon. Walter H. Roban: A distant memory is 40, really distant. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Of course you are. You are still young. Going on, Mr. Speaker, condolences I would like to now focus on just for a moment. I recently …
A way, distant memory? Hon. Walter H. Roban: A distant memory is 40, really distant.
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Hon. Walter H. Roban: Of course you are. You are still young. Going on, Mr. Speaker, condolences I would like to now focus on just for a moment. I recently Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 139
Bermuda House of Assembly heard of the passing of someone who is known very much to this side of the House, and perhaps to others on that side, Mr. Richard Daniels. He was a long- time stalwart of the PLP. Those of us who have been in the PLP for a number of years, and maybe even more recently, know of his work in the party. He was a longstanding educator committed to the education of our children. But he did sterling work behind the scenes in the Progressive Labour Party of which we all have, for many years, been grateful. I just heard about this today. It is a sad m oment for us in the PLP because Richard was one of us. And his work was monumental. And at some point, that story can be told about his work, which helped, frankly, to change this country in some ways, like many stories of people around Bermuda. I would also like to acknowledge the passing of a constituent of mine, Ms. Diane Peterson, of Roberts Avenue. She was eulogised earlier this week. I would like to associate the Honourable Minister Lovi tta Foggo with that. Going back to a few congratulatory remarks, Mr. Spe aker, this weekend the Grace Methodist Church in Pembroke will be celebrating their 14 th annual 100 Women in White. I know a number of Me mbers on both sides have attended that event at the church. But it is their 14th year this weekend. They will be celebr ating that. Also, Mr. Speaker, another congratulatory message for someone who is being celebrated, Mr. Calvin “Bummy ” Symonds, Sr., who will be celebrated this weekend at the CedarBridge Academy in a cel ebration put on by Mr. Berger Jennings for past and current, sports greats. He is one of the people who are going to be recognised. I will certainly associate Mr. Neville Tyrrell, who is his MP, with this, as well as others in this House. He obviously was a great captain of the team of St. George’s. But I wi ll associate the whole House, because he is really a national figure, perhaps a national treasure. I have come to know him for many years, and he is a mentor and friend to myself. And it would be remiss of me to not make mention of this important recognit ion of one of our living sports legends. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerYou are right on the buzzer, Mr. Deputy Premier. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19.Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off with some of what I call the sad acknowledgements. I would …
You are right on the buzzer, Mr. Deputy Premier. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19.Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off with some of what I call the sad acknowledgements. I would also like to be associated with the condolences to be sent to the family of the Ross Sinclair Tuzo. What lots of people do not realise is that, back in the day, those people who were older, actually on either side of what I call the political divide, actually talked a lot because they had a real interest in Bermuda. And Mr. Tuzo was one of those individuals. Mr. Tuzo was a carpenter, as was my father, Erskine Adderley. And I got to know Mr. Tuzo because my father said, If you want somebody to do a really good carpentry job, go and see him. And I did. But, Mr. Tuzo and I would have conversations about politics. And he would often ask me about how my dad was. And we would talk about what is happening. And I think, as we lament the passing of people like him and others, I think we always have to focus on the fact that they knew how to think about Bermuda. And they knew how to talk about things that were mutually important and significant. And I would like to think we will do more of that. I would also like to have condolences sent to the family of Roland Clarence Skinner. Everyone knew Mr. Skinner as a photographer. But he was a lso a golfer. So, when Riddles Bay was opened, you know, we would have lots of conversations about what was happening in the golf world, what was happening on the Island. And I know that I have a book, and I am sure a couple of others have books that have his ph otography. And we have lost another individual, who did lots of things that brought Bermuda to the attention of the world. And I would like to make sure that condolences are sent to his family. With respect to . . . and I am not one for jum ping on anybody else’s parade. But one of my constit uents is Hilda Eatherley. Hilda was one of those indi-viduals who, whenever I went out canvassing, I had to make sure that I at least went by and said hello. She was one of those individuals who was always happy to talk to you, a person who was full of being alive. And I am sad to hear of her passing. I was also sad to hear of the passing of Mic key Adderley , recognising that Adderley . . . I was Jeanne Adderley Atherden. But we are different A dderleys. But at leas t, I would get to talk to him and go into his shop, and I knew that he was an entrepreneur who did lots of things which were important. And, last but not least, Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences being sent to the family of Ri chard Daniels. Richard and I went to school together. And, even though we went in differ-ent directions, at least we would have an opportunity to talk about what happened, where we were going, and what was happening in Bermuda. And, more and more, I think w e are not always going to be in the same place —
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Minister Foggo, you have the floor. 140 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Sp eaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks …
Thank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Minister Foggo, you have the floor. 140 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Sp eaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks given by the Premier with congrat ulations going out to our national football team, who were successful last week and will be successful, going forward. It deserves recognition from the Premier first. Mr. Speaker, I would likewise wish to be associated with the congratulatory remarks going out for Cal “Bummy” Symonds, a great St. George’s Cup Match cricketer. He was a footballer and a trailblazer. So, he deserves the recognition that he, likewise, is getting. Switching gears, Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks given out last week for an iconic figure in St. George’s, Ms. Ianthe Pearman. She taught most of St. George’s. And there are oct ogenarians right now who can attest to the f act that —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYou are associating yourself with last week’s? Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: I did say I want to be assoc iated with the remarks [from] last week.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: And also, with the cond olences that were given for Mr. Eugene Wainwright, a well-known St. Georgian. Mr. Speaker, it saddens my heart to give condolences to the [Fox] family for the passing of their mother, Ms. Sandy [(Fox) Hodgson]. Her daughters, Terry, Jennifer, Christina …
Yes. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: And also, with the cond olences that were given for Mr. Eugene Wainwright, a well-known St. Georgian. Mr. Speaker, it saddens my heart to give condolences to the [Fox] family for the passing of their mother, Ms. Sandy [(Fox) Hodgson]. Her daughters, Terry, Jennifer, Christina and Tracey, and all of her sisters and brothers who still follow her, are mourning her loss. And I wish to be associated with the condolences going out to Richard Daniels, who, first and foremost, was a St. George’s man, born and bred in St. George’s, but did much work, as has been stated by the Deputy Premier. He will be sadly missed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from the other part of St. George’s, the Honourable Member from the East End there. Honourabl e Member Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanYes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences going out to the family of Mr. Richard Daniels, for his sterling work for the Progressive Labour Party over man y years, and for his community involvement. And, also, I would like to be associated with …
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences going out to the family of Mr. Richard Daniels, for his sterling work for the Progressive Labour Party over man y years, and for his community involvement. And, also, I would like to be associated with the condolences offered by the Minister to the family of Mrs. Sandra Hodgson. I am deeply saddened by her passing. And my sincere condolences go out to all of her fam ily. Mr. Speaker, on a happier note, I would like for congratulations to be sent and acknowledged for a young 14- year-old who is away attending a sporting academy for golf, one of my young charges, Mr. Ken-ny Leseur . Three years ago, I encouraged his parents to send him away to school because his talent far exceeded the ability available in Bermuda to provide him with the competition necessary. And now, three years later, this has been realised. And he won a golf tournament in Orlando, one of the IMG [Inter national Management Group] events down there at Falcon’s Fire, shooting under par on the first round. But he has done some exciting things overseas prior [to this]. But he is under the tutelage of Mr. Gary Gilchrist at his Gilchrist Golf Academy, one of the top junior coaches, who also has coached many world number -one pla yers in his time. Young Mr. Leseur is on the Island with his family, and we wish him well and tell him to just keep his life in priority, with his schoolwork first, being a good person at the top of the list, schoolwork next, and then allow his golf talent to shine through. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. We now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 7, if I am correct? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member, you have the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences given by the Honourable Premier to my constituent, Mr. Allan Brunell Smith. Mr. Smith was a constituent of mine. He was a PLP supporter. …
Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences given by the Honourable Premier to my constituent, Mr. Allan Brunell Smith. Mr. Smith was a constituent of mine. He was a PLP supporter. But, every time I went to his house, he was always very gracious. He would let me come inside. And we would have a chat, and then I would be on my way. And his son is also a very good friend of mine.
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, he is associating himself. He already said that, yes. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I am associating myself.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHe said that. Yes, he is associating with the Premier’s comments from last week. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: His son is also a very good friend of mine, and I expressed my condolences directly to him when his father passed over the break. Mr. Speaker, another constituent of mine …
He said that. Yes, he is associating with the Premier’s comments from last week. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: His son is also a very good friend of mine, and I expressed my condolences directly to him when his father passed over the break. Mr. Speaker, another constituent of mine passed over the break, Mrs. Carole Anne Paynter. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 141
Bermuda House of Assembly She was a lovely, lovely woman, who, unfortunately, lost her husband, Tony Paynter, a couple of years ago. I would associate MP Jeanne Atherden. She was also a very, very gracious lady. She would invite me into her house. And I have very fond memories of si tting around the kitchen table with Carole and her husband, Tony, who actually was a good friend of my f ather’s. And he shared a lot of good stories that he and my father had experienced. So, I just want to express my condolences on her passing. She will be great ly missed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Member from constitue ncy 23. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to associate with the condolence remarks to the family of Ross Tuzo, who actually, in his …
Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Member from constitue ncy 23. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to associate with the condolence remarks to the family of Ross Tuzo, who actually, in his carpentry environment, was a very dear friend of my Uncle Winslow , who also was a ca rpenter. So, I knew Mr. Tuzo from way back when. Mr. Speaker, on a very happy note, I would ask that this Honourable House perhaps even join me in offering congratulations to the participants in the Premier’s Concert last Saturday night. We were trea ted to an amazing array of talent, from dance to vocals to violins to trumpets. It was just an absolutely incredible display of the talent of our young people. And we would certainly want to be in a situation of encouraging them. And my honourable colleague, the Honour able Member Sylvan Richards, from constituency 7, wants to be associated with those remarks, as well. Also, the Honourable Member from constituency 2, and I would imagine . . . well, obviously, the Premier was there, as was Minister De Silva, as well as Mini ster Foggo. Obviously, it was the Premier’s concert. But the Ministry of Labour, Community Affairs and Sports was instrumental in ensuring that it was a good time had by all, as we exhibited the talents of our young people. So, I am sure they would want to be associated, and the Honourable Member Renee Ming as there, as well .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Speaker enjoyed the evening, as well. [Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerDeputy Speaker, I recognise you. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was 40 very long years ago that the Premier of Bermuda, David Bur t, was born. And we want to wish him happy birthday. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to be associated …
Deputy Speaker, I recognise you.
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was 40 very long years ago that the Premier of Bermuda, David Bur t, was born. And we want to wish him happy birthday. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to be associated with the remarks regarding Sir Calvin “Bummy” Symonds, who was a thorn in the side of Somerset.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNow I know why I kept missing that corner. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: In fact, Mr. Speaker, every time the Somerset fans start talking, what I r ecall some “mistruths,” I just mention his name and they all cringe. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But, Mr. Speaker, Mr. …
Now I know why I kept missing that corner.
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: In fact, Mr. Speaker, every time the Somerset fans start talking, what I r ecall some “mistruths,” I just mention his name and they all cringe.
[Laughter]
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Symonds, who represented Bermuda not only in cricket, but in football, and played at a high level, also played soccer in England, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberRochdale, Rochdale. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Rochdale, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speak er. So, he was one of the few who represented Bermuda overseas in both sports, our national sport. Also, Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks for Richard Daniels. And, Mr. Speaker, I …
Rochdale, Rochdale. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Rochdale, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speak er. So, he was one of the few who represented Bermuda overseas in both sports, our national sport. Also, Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks for Richard Daniels. And, Mr. Speaker, I would like to send condolences to the fam ily of David Busby, who is being funeralised at this moment. So, Mr. Busby was a hard- hitting centre back for the Bombardiers . If you ran into David Busby, you knew you ran into a brick wall. But he has left us now, and he will be sorely missed by his wife, Ursul a, his daughter Andrea, and son [Elroy], and family. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Deputy. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 8. Honourable Member.
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsThank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to associate myself in r egard to the comments made for Mr. Ross Tuzo. I have known Mr. Tuzo since I was a boy. When I was going to private school, I was in class with his son, Livingston. And many days …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to associate myself in r egard to the comments made for Mr. Ross Tuzo. I have known Mr. Tuzo since I was a boy. When I was going to private school, I was in class with his son, Livingston. And many days we would go over there for lunch. And his late wife, G loria, was the gracious host. But what struck me most about that family is that Ross and his late wife, Gloria, were role models for married couples in this country. You never saw one without the other. They respected each other. She was a lady, and he was a gentleman. And many Bermudians could learn a lot from their lifestyle. They did not complain. They got on with life. They educated their children. And they did a sterling job in making their contributions. They were involved quietly in the 142 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly political side, obviously on the other side. But I do not hold that against them, because their strong character and respect for everyone makes it very palatable for me to embrace them, irrespective of their political leanings. I would like to also associate myself w ith the comments made in regard to Mickey Adderley. He was a constituent of mine. He had a store in the Flatts, another kind man. He always embraced me when I visited him as his MP. And we always had a sat and chat. Carole Paynter, another Smith’s Parish lady. She was an advocate for seniors. She was a friend of my father’s, as well. And, you know, I send condolences to her family. Roland Skinner, I would say, by far, Roland Skinner is probably one of the world’s better aerial photographers. The pictures that he has of Bermuda, the clarity, the Christmas —every photo he has taken just brings life to the person enjoying that picture. The other person I would like to send condolences to the family of is Pat Gardner. She was Kristi Grayston’s mother. And she passed away after struggles with an illness. And, again, I pass on my condolences to her family. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Minister for Works. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. BurchThank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me firstly associate with the condolences of two of my constituents, actually, Mr. Ross Tuzo and Mr. Richard Daniels, both of whom were constituents of mine. In the case of Mr. Tuzo, Mr. Speaker, it has already been stated that he was a carpenter. He, …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me firstly associate with the condolences of two of my constituents, actually, Mr. Ross Tuzo and Mr. Richard Daniels, both of whom were constituents of mine. In the case of Mr. Tuzo, Mr. Speaker, it has already been stated that he was a carpenter. He, of course, did quite a bit of work with my late father, George, who was a contractor. And we used to have long, long conversations, whenever I was supposed to be canvassing, about the old days. But it did not matter, Mr. Speaker, because even when his late wife was still alive and I would canvass, we would always make sure that theirs was the last house on the ca nvassing trail, because it was never going to be a hit - and-run situation.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. BurchWe had to participate. But it was also a pleasant task, Mr. Speaker, because she always made sure that there were some goodies to both eat and drink.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOh, yeah! [Laughter] Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: And so, I extend condolences to their son, Livingston, who also is a constituent of mine, and the rest of the extended family. Mr. Richard Daniels, of course, a longstanding member of the PLP, originally, I think, from St. George’s, but …
Oh, yeah! [Laughter] Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: And so, I extend condolences to their son, Livingston, who also is a constituent of mine, and the rest of the extended family. Mr. Richard Daniels, of course, a longstanding member of the PLP, originally, I think, from St. George’s, but certainly from the last two elections in [constituency] 27, was a constituent of mine and a supporter of me in both elections. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to send congratulations to the organisers and the partnership of the Skills Development Programme. I had the pleas-ure of attending on the 7 th of November a presentation on those people who recently returned from Bournemouth in England. And, as you will know, Mr. Speaker, this is a partnership between the Parks Depar tment, the Bermuda Garden Club, and the Bermuda Industrial Union. And I would like to commend and thank all three of those entities for their support in sending four of our young people to the United Kin gdom. And, finally, Mr. Speaker, I had the privilege last week of attending the Ber muda Zoological Soci ety’s Bi -annual Environmental Youth Conference at the Bermuda Aquarium, Museum and Zoo. Mr. Speaker, it was particularly enjoyable for me because, this year’s theme was the “Importance of Preserving Open Space.” And they had specificall y selected the Sout hlands Park. And they spent one of the conference days actually visiting the park and walking the length and breadth of it, and then coming up with some ideas about what we could do with it in the future. Mr. Speaker, I can tell you that they split themselves into six groups. And I went early before the presentation. The idea was that they were going to present their ideas to the Director of Parks, myself, and various other people. But I went earlier because I wanted to witness them actually putting together the presentation.
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Lt. Col. Hon. David A. BurchAnd I was so encouraged by their enthusiasm and their passion for our country. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish t o be reco gnised this morning? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 36. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sure Colonel Burch, the Honourable Member, was in complete full flow …
Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish t o be reco gnised this morning? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 36. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sure Colonel Burch, the Honourable Member, was in complete full flow there. And I regret that he did not get a chance to finish. But, Mr. Speaker, I too wish to rise and be associated with the condolence expressions on behalf Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 143
Bermuda House of Assembly of Mr. Ross Tuzo and Mr. Richard Daniels. I offer my condolences, especially, to Dr. Deborah Tuzo and to Livingston. Mr. Speaker, a number of persons have tra nsitioned. And I would like to offer condolences of this House to an octogenarian —I beg your pardon, a ce ntenarian, Ms. Angelina DeFontes Bean. I had the great pleasure of being with her as she celebrated her 100 th birthday at Packwood some weeks ago. Mrs. Sheila Margaret Kempe, a constituent of mine, to her children, Tim and Wiggy . And so Mr. Ralph Harvey and to his wife, Gilda, all of these persons have passed over the course of our being on recess. So, to Mrs. Bean, her children, Loretta and Marion and Lorraine; to the wife of Mr. Ralph Harvey; and, certainly, to Mr. Harvey’s sister, Shirley Foster , whom I am closely associated with, I offer my condolences to these families, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to be recognised? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 11. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher FamousI want to just say that I met Mr. Ross Tuzo when I was canvassing on behalf of somebody who is a Minister now. And Mr. Ross Tuzo was a Berkeleyite. Although he was on the right team politically, he was on the wr ong team —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGreen House, Green House fellow, good man. Good man.
Mr. Christopher FamousYou got it. See, I know that it was that wrong team when you guys said, Green House. But the point I want to get at is that — [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Mr. Christopher FamousHis wife was from Berk eley, too. Anyway, my point is that Mr. Tuzo took his time and spoke to me about the importance of Bermuda having craftsmen. And, yesterday, I was pleased, at the Berkeley prize- giving that many of the students who won prizes were actually dual -enrolment …
His wife was from Berk eley, too. Anyway, my point is that Mr. Tuzo took his time and spoke to me about the importance of Bermuda having craftsmen. And, yesterday, I was pleased, at the Berkeley prize- giving that many of the students who won prizes were actually dual -enrolment at Berkeley and the Bermuda College and learning trades such as construction, electronics, and engineering. I say that to say that we have a crisis in this country where we need more skilled trades persons. And I am glad that two of my alma maters, Berkeley and Bermuda College, are seeing that they are trai ning Bermudians towards this to help fulfil the needs that Mr. Ross Tuzo talked about. The last thing I want to speak about is to thank the peopl e of White Hill [sic] for letting me come up there to celebrate the life of Ms. Fanny Hall.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberRose Hill.
Mr. Christopher FamousRose Hill, sorry. Sorry. Country people. So, I just want to say it was a very valuable celebration of her lif e, her legacy, where she and Ms. Bascome (I want to say) helped to teach almost half of the people who are PLP supporters, in Somerset, that is. And …
Rose Hill, sorry. Sorry. Country people. So, I just want to say it was a very valuable celebration of her lif e, her legacy, where she and Ms. Bascome (I want to say) helped to teach almost half of the people who are PLP supporters, in Somerset, that is. And I want to associate my colleagues, MP Swan and MP Scott Simmons. So, they also said something about some country food that I did not know anything about. So, it was very nice being up there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences previously given to the family of Mickey Adderley. I had known Mr. Adderley for many, many years. And …
Thank you. Any other Member? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences previously given to the family of Mickey Adderley. I had known Mr. Adderley for many, many years. And I took the opportunity earlier this week to stop by his gift store in Flatts that many pe ople use for their work clothes, to express my condo-lences. He died quite suddenly last weekend, and he will be a miss to the community. Colleagues have already talked about Roland Skinner, and I have to echo those comments. He was a former constitue nt of mine a few years ago. And if you look around at many of the pictures of Bermuda, you will see the photo credit is to Roland Skinner. And he was certainly a trailblazer in that way. I used to enjoy going canvassing in his House because the scenery was just spectacular, with some of his favourites that he had out there. Mr. Speaker, I would like to also ask these Honourable Chambers to send condolences to the family of Mr. Anthony Buckley, who died when we were off this summer. I think he died in Augus t. I a ssociate my colleague, the Honourable Cole Simons. Mr. Buckley was a very respected man in our comm unity, who did not say much, but worked hard and was a great contributor. I would like also for condolences to be sent to the family of Ms. Imogene Lawrence. We have the homestead down in Studio Lane in my constituency. The Lawrence family is quite big in that area. And Ms. Lawrence spent her later days at a rest home. But, for a number of years while I canvassed, I enjoyed having conversations with Ms . Lawrence, as she just enjoyed 144 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly the days in Hamilton Parish up on the balcony, on her porch, enjoying the sweet breeze coming off of the North Shore at that time. She lived to be a ripe age of 104. And she lived a good life and saw many things in our community. I would like to be associated with the congra tulations by the Honourable Minister to the Skills D evelopment Programme, a programme that has gone on for a number of years, and just to also offer a thank -you to the private donors who, quite often, are not made public, who support that programme. Mr. Speaker, I echo the comment by the Premier and other colleagues for the fantastic victory by Bermuda over El Salvador last week. Certainly, it was played in miserable conditions and was a very tough game. El Salvador is a very high- quality team. So, it speaks a lot to what we can do when we put our mind to it and we get our best players in the field. And it is starting to feel like we might have a long run in this competition. I know that the country will r ally around the team as they do that. And finally, Mr. Speaker, congratulations to the Deputy Commission- designate, Darrin Simons, and I associate my honourable colleagues with that, for the announcement of his selection to be the Dep uty [Police] Commissioner in April of next year, I believe. I am sure there were many individuals who put their names forward, and some are disappointed. But, in my dealings as the former Premier and Minister of National Security, I know that Darrin Simons brings a lot to the table. And I know that he will do a tremendous job with his higher responsibilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Opposition Whip. Honourab le Member, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Just a moment of your time. I would like to reflect and associate on Mr. Mickey Adderley. I did not know him personally. I did grow up in the Flatts community, and I remember going into his store on occasion. And it was always …
Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker. Just a moment of your time. I would like to reflect and associate on Mr. Mickey Adderley. I did not know him personally. I did grow up in the Flatts community, and I remember going into his store on occasion. And it was always very exciting, because, at the time, I probably thought I was getting something quite fashionable. [Laughter]
Ms. Susan E. JacksonI know it was a men’s store, but painters pants ! I am goin g way back, maybe b efore your time, Member Famous. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Ms. Susan E. JacksonSo, on the other piece, the more important piece, though, is that he truly is leav-ing a legacy in this community, one which many peo-ple may not even recognise. But this man actually has mentored and brought to successful fruition a number of entrepreneurs on this Island. He has embraced …
So, on the other piece, the more important piece, though, is that he truly is leav-ing a legacy in this community, one which many peo-ple may not even recognise. But this man actually has mentored and brought to successful fruition a number of entrepreneurs on this Island. He has embraced young men, and he has taught them the ways of bus iness. He has committed himself to making sure that they ar e successful in their own businesses and, when necessary, has provided all of the support needed to make sure that entrepreneurs in Bermuda have a future here. So, his legacy will live on. Clearly, he has been successful in business. He has mai ntained that store in Flatts for decades. And so, I just wanted to acknowledge to the community his commitment to our young people and entrepreneurs. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other? No other? I recognise the Honourable Member Ming, from St. George’s.
Mrs. Renee MingGood morning, Mr. Speaker. How are you today?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNot too bad. It is afternoon now.
Mrs. Renee MingThank you. So, the Daniels family have a long history within St. George’s. And most of them, or some of them I grew up with. Richard was definitely around the age of my mother. So, I did not grow up with him. But I do want the family to know …
Thank you. So, the Daniels family have a long history within St. George’s. And most of them, or some of them I grew up with. Richard was definitely around the age of my mother. So, I did not grow up with him. But I do want the family to know that they are in our thoughts and prayers as they go through this difficult time. On a happier note, Mr. Speaker, I would like to extend a congratulatory note to the St. George’s Parish Council. Last week, they presented St. David ’s Primary [School], Clearwater Middle School and St. George’s Preparatory School with cash donations that are to be used toward library expenses. And so, they were acknowledging the literacy programmes in the schools. The East End Primary did not receive b ecause they had had a cash donation earlier in the year Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 145
Bermuda House of Assembly toward a school trip. So, I just want to make sure that we . . . I am thanking the St. George’s Parish Council for their continued commitment and acknowledging the literacy programme within our schoo ls. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. At this time, because of where the hands are on the clock, I am going to call on Minister Burch.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections? No objections. The House is now adjourned until 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:33 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:01 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood afternoon, Members. I trust ev eryone had a good lunch. [Gavel] MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORT ANCE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. OPPOSITION BILLS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI believe we have one notice of motion down on the Order Paper for this afternoon and it is in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister, would you like to put your motion? CONSIDERATION OF THE REPORT OF THE TAX COMMISSION 2018 Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, …
I believe we have one notice of motion down on the Order Paper for this afternoon and it is in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister, would you like to put your motion?
CONSIDERATION OF THE REPORT OF THE TAX COMMISSION 2018
Hon. Curtis L. Dickinson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I give notice that I propose to move the follo wing motion at the next day of meeting: WHEREAS Honourable Members are mindful of the contents of the Report of the Tax Commission 2018; BE IT RESOLVED that this Honourable House carefully consider both the content and implic ations of the said report.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe understanding is that we are going to carry over items 1, 2, and 3 and begin with [Order] No. 4. [Order] No. 4 is the second reading of the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 in the name of the Mi nister of Health. Minister? BILL SECOND READING NURSING AMENDMENT ACT …
The understanding is that we are going to carry over items 1, 2, and 3 and begin with [Order] No. 4. [Order] No. 4 is the second reading of the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 in the name of the Mi nister of Health. Minister?
BILL
SECOND READING
NURSING AMENDMENT ACT 2018
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker , I move that the Bill entitled the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 be now read the second time.
The Sp eaker: Yes, continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker , I stand before this Honourable House today to table the Bill entitled the Nursing Amendment Act 2018. Mr. Speaker , the regulation of health care pr ofessionals is essential to meet the Ministry of Hea lth’s mandate to protect and promote public health and ensure high quality care. The Nursing Act 1997 is the legislation that assures standards of practice for nur ses through registration, monitoring, complaint handling, and disciplinary procedures. The Nursing Amendment Act 2018 (the 2018 Bill), Mr. Speaker , proposes to improve the regulation of midwives by incorporating midwives under the ex-isting regulatory framework for nurses and transferring 146 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly the regulatory authority for midwives from the Berm uda Medical Council to the Bermuda Nursing and Mi dwifery Council. The 2018 Bill tabled today is the incorporation of midwives under the 1997 Act and the r epeal of the Midwives Act 1949. Mr. Speaker , the Ministry is committed to i mproving health professionals’ regulation as a means to addressing efficiency in regulation and public safety. Honourable Member s should be aware that the Mi dwives Act 1949 contained an outdated regulatory framework for midwives resulting in a limited scope of practice and regulatory over sight. The Ministry co nsidered proposing amendments to the outdated Mi dwives Act, however, maintaining separate legislation for one profession with a small number of practitioners is not practical. In that now, Mr. Speaker , there are currently nine midwives in Bermuda—only five are practicing —so we are talking about a very small pr ofession. Mr. Speaker , the Ministry remains in ongoing consultation with registered midwives and other stakeholders for a phased approach to enhance saf ety and quality of care for women and babies as well as address choice and potential cost savings for the health system. So Mr. Speaker , I can just advise that we have had extensive consultation with the midwives here in Bermuda as well as other stakeholders — obstetricians and the l ike. The first phase, Mr. Speaker , involves a transfer of regulatory oversight from the Bermuda Medical Council to the Bermuda Nursing and Midwifery Council (and hereinafter, Mr. Speaker , I will refer to that as “the Council”), which is improving the crit eria for regi stration and re- registration and creating a code of conduct. So that is phase one, Mr. Speaker . Both Councils —that is, the Bermuda Nursing Council as well as the Bermuda Medical Council (who were heavily involved in this amendment) —support the incorporation of midwives into the 1997 Act, which will align Bermuda with many other countries in the Caribbean, the UK and Ireland. The second phase, Mr. Speaker , which we will be doing at some point in the future, will require continued engagement wi th multiple stakeholders to address some of the limitations impacting midwifery practice in Bermuda, such as prescribing rights speci fic to midwifery and the formalisation of collaborative practice among stakeholders and policies that ensure safe care of w omen and babies. Mr. Speaker , the updates to the 1997 Act will include midwives in the majority of the provisions established for nurses. These updates, Mr. Speaker , include: the definition of midwifery profession and pr otecting the use of the title “midw ife”; including a midwife on the Council; and making the necessary changes to the title of the 1997 Act, the Council as well as its committees; ensuring a midwifery registr ation process that includes registration criteria and re-registration every two year s that is linked to continuing education and minimal required practice; prescribing a code of conduct that includes a scope and standards of practice for midwifery; including midwives within the complaint handling and disciplinary process; and i mproving the Council’s procedures as required. Mr. Speaker , many of these provisions are familiar to currently registered midwives because all of the midwives registered under the Midwives Act 1949 are also nurses and duly registered under the 1997 Act. However, it is important to acknowledge, Mr. Speaker , that midwifery is a separate profession from nursing and the updates to the 1997 Act will include the regulation of midwives who are not nurses. The rules to accompany the Act will define a midwife as a person who has completed a midwifery education programme recognised by the Nursing Council and is registered as a midwife in their country of training as approved by the Nursing Council. Jurisdictions approved by the Nursing Council include, but are not limited to: J amaica, the Bahamas, Barbados, BVI, St. Lucia, Cayman, Turks and Caicos . . . sorry, Trinidad and Tobago and Dominica. There are other countries as well, Mr. Speaker , which include: Canada and the United States, the UK, and Australia. The 2018 Bill aims to standardise practices for midwives across health care professions, therefore, improving Bermuda’s regulatory system. In addition, Mr. Speaker , the changes ensure that midwives are subject to a more robust regulatory framework. Overall, Mr. Speaker , the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 ensures a higher regulatory standard for midwives that aims to protect the public by ensuring competent and safe providers of care for women and babies. And therein lies, Mr. Speaker , the objective of this legislation. Thank you .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Does any Member wish to speak to it? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Spe aker, I thank the Minister for her overview of the intent …
Thank you, Minister. Does any Member wish to speak to it? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Spe aker, I thank the Minister for her overview of the intent of the Bill as well as for her providing me with a copy of the brief, which made life a little easier to follow along. Let me first say, just in speaking to the issue of midwives, Mr. Speaker , most of us in the black community . . . I should say many people in the black community, would know the impact that midwives would have had, certainly in the mid- to late- 1950s. Many of us were not born in the hospital, certainly, us in the black community. Yo u went to the nursing home where the midwife and, especially in our particular situation, Nurse S tovell of Mount Hill, delivered more Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 147
Bermuda House of Assembly babies than she would probably be able to have counted. So their impact on the community was signi ficant in how they were able to service the community during a time when it was deemed that “sophistic ation” (if I can put that in quotes) in medicine had not reached the stage of advancement when it came to birthing and the utilisation of the hospital as the prim ary place for gi ving birth for expectant mothers. Mr. Speaker , once the hospital was brought into being, there were some expectant mothers who believed that the clinical environment of the hospital did not suit their own purposes in terms of what they wanted and how comf ortable they wanted to feel with respect to giving birth. And many expectant mothers decided that instead of going to the hospital, we al-most wanted to go almost full -circle and go back to midwives and doulas, to assist in the birthing process. Now the one thing that is important, as the Minister articulated, is the necessity to ensure effective and good health care and the safety and protection of both mothers and their newborn infants. So, the requirement of a midwife was to have a medical practitioner i n attendance when the birth was being pr ocessed. And that would have allowed the circumstances under which this newborn was coming into the world to happen under the best and most clinically appropriate and safe medical circumstances. Now, we had a situat ion, Mr. Speaker . . . and I have no doubt that somebody will speak to it be-cause people always look for the things that were negative. There was a time when some mothers decided that not only did they not wish to go to the hospital, they wanted to have a midwife attend to them, they wanted to have a doula attend to them. (That is somebody who assists in the birthing process.) And that they did not necessarily want to rely on the five of nine registered midwives to which the Minister r eferred, but they woul d have preferred rather to have imported someone to assist them with the birthing process. That importation of professionals in the mi dwifery profession caused not just a pushback from the Chief Medical Office, but also there was a lack of ac-ceptance of t he necessity for the immigration process to authorise the importation of midwife labour. And that caused a challenge because now you had an ex-pectant mother who felt that this was her right to d etermine the circumstances under which she gave birth and you had the Health Department making the determination that maybe this was not ideal because, not so much just importing somebody, but I think it was a combination of whether whoever was being imported (for immigration purposes) whether they were as effective as the locally available expertise and professionals that we have. So I think over time that situation resolved itself from the perspective of the people who led the charge at the time to reject the idea of being able to import someone—to bring somebody i n through imm i-gration—they made it a point to . . . they satisfied the circumstances at the time. I am not certain since I left the Ministry whether that has continued, whether people have decided that if they want to bring in a midwife to assist in the bi rth of their child, whether they are able to do it or whether, in fact, that situation has just kind of calmed down and that remains . . . and the Minister will probably be able to give us some input with respect to that. But as I mentioned, Mr. Speaker , it was necessary for midwives to actually have the assistance of a qualified medical practitioner. And we will also know, Mr. Speaker , that there are varying opinions with r espect to the actual medical practitioners who might have been made themselves avai lable to be able to assist in the birthing process to ensure safety for both mother and baby. We had some very public discourse, Mr. Speaker , between two particular doctors who were at variance; they were at odds in terms of who should be deemed to be a q ualified medical professional for the purposes of assisting a midwife through this process. And you had one who held the position that certain family physicians may qualify based on their exper ience; and then you had another school of thought which said that if a medical practitioner was not astute and was not well trained in neonatal resuscitation, then they may not be able to conduct the oversight that was necessary for a safe birth in the event of di stress when the baby was born. So these are things that , you know, where I think as time goes on, whatever happens, whatever legislation we put in place, we need to ensure that every birth is safe, that every baby is safe and that every mother is safe. We do not have the incidents as much today as we did, perhaps, in the 1940s and 1950s of death in childbirth of a mom because our systems have become more sophisticated and we are able to ensure that there is a safety element that is involved. So, we are now merging the midwives who operated under the Act of 1949 with the nurses who operate under a Nursing Act of 1997 to ensure that there are efficiencies in respect of the administration of both nurses as well as midwives. The only concern . . . well, let me just point out first of all before I ind icate my concern, that childbirth . . . I think it is i mportant to point out how beautiful childbirth can be. It is the route by which we all have found ourselves on the planet. And I think it is an absolute miracle that has been bestowed upon us by our Creator so that we can continue to multiply and preserve our population and . . . it is what we do. And the Lord decided in his wisdom, though, Mr. Speaker , that he would make mothers . . . that he would make females to be the ones to give birth. B ecause I think, Mr. Speak er, we probably would have become extinct —
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Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —we would probably have become extinct — [Inaudible interjections ]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —if we had to rely—
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Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —if we have to rely on males to give birth. Mr. Speaker , we would be an extinct species. I think we know that. I think we know that.
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Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker , when you hear of ho w many men moan about the idea that they have got a hangnail or they have got an ingrown hair and they cannot handle that, Mr. Speaker—
[Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —know for a fact that that is, perhaps, as much pain as man y of them might be able to bear. So I give . . . I give great kudos to mothers and the supporting fathers. I know that the fathers have to support [the mothers] through the process, through the birthing process, and many of them do, and they need to be applauded for that, it is their job. But we at least . . . we point out the fact that . . . we appreciate the fact that they are there to assist through what could som etimes be a very, very difficult process. So, my only concern is . . . with the Midwifery Act 1949 there are members who were registered on that register. To merge the two associations . . . and I know that the midwives had initially wanted their own legislation updated some, and now I think the idea of having these two professions merge togeth er is a positive thing for the efficiency and the management thereof . . . if someone were only qualified as a mi dwife and did not . . . and was not on the register of nurses, they were on the 1949 register (I am not sa ying that they were practicing in ’49, but that they would have been eligible under that Act to be registered) are now being registered under the Nursing Act and it is going to be the renaming of . . . they are going to be under the auspices . . . from the Medical Council to the Nursing and Midwifery Council. They would have, historically, been managed by . . . or been answerable to and accountable to the Medical Council. But now it will be to the Nursing and Midwifery Council. So we understand the efficiencies that come about as a result of having one umbrella under which people operate who are operating in that professional environment. But the question is, with respect to the transitional arrangements that have been articulated in the legislation, if we have . . . the way I see it, if we have people who are registered under the 1949 Act, and they are merging with people who are under the Nursing Act . . . under this 2018 [Act], we are sort of effectively merging, let us call it, entity A with entity B to form a new revised entity B. The question begs as to whether it would be appropriate . . . and this is a question, it is not a crit icism, it is a question, as to whether it would be appr opriate to grandfather those people who registered under the Midwifery Act of 1949 and subsequent regi strants and grandfather them in. Because the one thing that this legislation provides for is that within six months . . . this legislation today effectively will repeal the 1949 Midwifery Act. So effectively the people who are registered thereunder will no longer have a regi stration there, they now will be registered under this new combined entity. So the question is, if we are not saying that the people who are presently registered under the 1997 Act need to come within six months and reregister, then the mid wives who are coming over and have to re- register within six months of the coming into force of the Act . . . unless I have misread this, the midwives have to come over, they have to register within a six -month period of time. Continuing professional education is key to every profession. So when I looked at the transitional arrangements it just struck me as being odd that the people under the 1949 Act (now merging into this new Act) effectively have to re- register within six months, but I do not think that I saw that every existing person who is registered under the now 1997 Act (which will be revised by this 2018 amendment) that each of them also has to re- register within a six -month period of time. That is just the way I saw it. I thought it was saying to me that only the midwives who are coming over will have to re- register in that six -month period of time. And I think that what that says to me is that we want to obtain parity between the professions, notwithstanding that we recognise that there are divis ions of, you know, the types. But we do not want to see that somebody was over here and they were a mi dwife over here . . . if they were a midwife yesterday under the 1949 Act, they are a midwife today under the 2018 revision. So I just wanted to make sure that we were not creating the feeling that there is some kind of sec-ond-class citizenry that is being done as a result of the requirement of these midwives coming over to reregister within a six -month period of time. So, technically, we support the Bill from this point of view. Obviously . . . oh, also with the registr ation it says that a Minister could effectively extend that six-month period of time and that would be based on Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 149
Bermuda House of Assembly the Minister’s benevolence on application, presum ably. So, if you grandfather into this Act and still require from each of the professions their necessary hours of continuing professional development, I am just not sure why we cannot just take the register from the . . . people who are registered under the 1949 Act and merge it with a grandfathering capability without them having to go through a separate registration process where they are being . . . the way the registration is worded appears to me that they are being treated separately and differently from people who actually are on the register under the 1997 Nursing Act. So I just wanted to have that clarified so that there is no confusion. We certainly do not want to support something that might make any member of a merged profession to feel as though they are som ehow not as good as, but that they rank pari passu with people with whom they are merging. And I think that this is important. So, with those few comments, Mr. Speaker , as I said, we support the legislation in principle and we just want to know that whatever we are doing, it continues to enhance both the safety, the security, the comfort and the medical attention that is necessary to provide for a good outcome in terms of the childbirthing process for both mother and child. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other . . . I recognise the Honourable Member from [St. George’s South]. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor.
Mrs. Tinee FurbertThank you, Mr. Speaker . I just first want to start by actually thanking all the midwives that are out there, both present and past, who have added to the delivery of many babies in our Island and they have done an excellent job at that. I think a fellow …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I just first want to start by actually thanking all the midwives that are out there, both present and past, who have added to the delivery of many babies in our Island and they have done an excellent job at that. I think a fellow colleague mentioned in regard to our infant mortality rates being one of the lowest over the world and so that just goes to show that they are doing an excellent job. This Act just speaks to an amalgamation of like professions. So we have the nurses and nursing associates and now midwives, which we are now add-ing to th e Nursing Act of 1997, so that they can continue to share legislative processes, which is a good thing given that the Minister of Health already mentioned how many midwives we actually have practi cing in the Island of Bermuda. So we have taken an ancient p iece of legislation and now brought it up to date with more recent legislation. I was listening to my fellow colleague as she spoke about children being born in homes back way in the day and how midwives played a significant role in that childbirth experi ence. But I just wanted to add also that even in our current situation today with chil dbirth, that sometimes when you are . . . a woman is in the hospital and they are delivering a baby, not all the time is the gynaecologist or obstetrician there. Som etimes they do not make it on time because babies come that fast sometimes. And so you are in the presence of a midwife who still has to deliver a child without the presence of a physician. So it is great that this legislation is being aligned within the Nursi ng Act. There are so many changes in this Act that I think it is worth mentioning, which is a good thing, there is reference particularly in the—
Mrs. Tinee FurbertParticularly in the Midwives Act of 1949 in which the Permanent Secretary, at the time, was responsible for the register and they were responsible for managing the registry process and now this will no longer be. No w it will be managed through the actual Nursing Council. Another change is …
Particularly in the Midwives Act of 1949 in which the Permanent Secretary, at the time, was responsible for the register and they were responsible for managing the registry process and now this will no longer be. No w it will be managed through the actual Nursing Council. Another change is particularly in the Act it speaks to only a woman being recognised as being a midwife. And this is no longer going to be the descri ption in the current Act, although the majority of mi dwives are female, it still clears it up where we are not just recognising women only as being midwives, as there are men as well who can play a role as a mi dwife. There is also the component of continuing education, which was not in the Midwifery Act , now being up to speed within the Nursing Act. So midwives will have to continue with continuing education, which is very important in staying current with current trends within your particular profession. And I was just reading further in the Act where it speaks to the prohibition regarding the practice of midwives, where the Act now provides more protec-tion for midwives, particularly in the instance where on the Council . . . a midwife [now] has the opportunity to sit on the actual Council. And it is very key because as issues come up within the Nursing Council, and the midwife is now actually able to sit on the Council, as issues come up pertaining to that particular profes-sion, there will now be someone on that Council who has knowledge, who can speak to particular issues, not only on the Council but also as it pertains to pr ofessional conduct concerns. So it is definitely an Act that has been brought up to date to include midwives. Also, it speaks to the protection of midwives that are in training, wh ich is also very important because training, again, is very 150 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly important. And then there is some protection for mi dwives while they are in training to make sure that they are protected, should anything happen. And so it was important to highlight that as well . So, Mr. Speaker , I definitely support this legi slation. It is good legislation that has been brought up to date and I am sure the midwives that are out there are happy in regards to this legislation. And we have heard already that consultation has been done with the nursing body and also the midwife body. And it was also good to hear that further consultation will continue as it relates to midwives being able to pr escribe medication as it relates to childbirth. Because there are many jurisdictions who ac tually do recognise this for midwives, and it would also help the efficiency with childbirth. So it is good to hear that we will co ntinue with these sorts of conversations in the industry of midwifery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Hono urable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 20. Honourable Member , you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonGood afternoon, Mr. Speaker. I just have a few words. Again, I am standing in support of the legislation which has been tabled and is being debated today. But I just wanted to have a couple of words about the profession of midwives in Bermuda in gen-eral and how this …
Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. I just have a few words. Again, I am standing in support of the legislation which has been tabled and is being debated today. But I just wanted to have a couple of words about the profession of midwives in Bermuda in gen-eral and how this is an opportunity for us as a country to consider a vocati on for our young people to consi der getting training and qualifications so that they can become midwives and we can broaden this profession here in Bermuda. I mean, certainly, we are all aware of the costs of going into the hospital and having a child delivered in the hospital, and we can also to a certain extent have a testament to the fact that, in general, Bermuda tends to have a very healthy maternity pop ulation. And the idea that we could have the option and the choice of having our children delivered by mi dwives versus having an obstetrician would certainly make all the difference. And so I am making a suggestion that we not stop with this legislation, but that we continue to develop both at maybe the Bermuda College an offering of qualification and study so that we can certify and become a member of the list that the Minister just read of jurisdictions that do have qualifications and certifications in this profession and that we are able to continue to foster this profession as a means of providing an alternative to mothers who are looking to have their children outside of the hospital, in partic ular. I do know that there are some concerns about that. I understand that this legislation is looking at the codes of conduct, or codes of practice, looking at the regulatory framework, but I believe that it is quite r estrictive for a midwife to go into a private home or a location outside of the hospital and find the superv ision that will support the midwife in his or her duties. And if we have a situation where: (1) insurance companies [cannot] cover the birth of a child outside of the hospital, or (2) [if] we cannot find the doctors to come and super vise childbirth at home because their insurance [does not cover them] outside of the hospital or their place of practice, then it is really . . . all of the legislation that we put here today to register midwives really comes to naught if we cannot grow the number of people that are on the register and if we cannot provide the environment for them to practice. B ecause, ultimately, it just becomes almost a moot point. Now, one of the pieces that could help is that I do understand that with the nurses and the midwives amalgamating through this legislation that there is an opportunity, if we had more midwives that were not already registered nurses, but that they were mi dwives that could be registered, then there would be opportunities for additional training, there would be opportunities for collaboration between the Medical Council, the Nursing Council as well as midwives. And in and of itself that could breed a level of support that could, again, enhance the profession. So, I guess, in closing my real concern is that . . . you know, it is one thing to have this legislation in place, but if we do not have the peopl e to be regi stered on the Council, then I do not see why . . . you know, where the growth is. And I would certainly like to see more growth and development in this area. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19. Honourable Member , you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I think that this Nursing Amendment Act, which we support, …
Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19. Honourable Member , you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I think that this Nursing Amendment Act, which we support, obviously, is what I call the direction in which many of the Acts have been going so that you start to have umbrella organisations rather than individual organisations. So I think it is very important for us to recognise that, rather than having many, if you can have what I call the significant ones —whether it be the doctors, the health . . . allied health, and then the nursing—then it means that you have three major organisations that you can start to deal with, especially when you start to need to make changes. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 151
Bermuda House of Assembly And, as yo u can see from all the amendments that are . . . the consequential amendments that have had to be made here, whether it be the Police Act or whether it is the Poisons Act, et cetera, every time you have something that has to happen, if you had every organi sation that you had to go through and start amending all their Acts, this would make life really difficult. So I know that this is something that the Mi nistry has been working towards and I think that it is very good that it is coming. And, as we all have indicated, the ability to be able to ensure that anybody that is in the profession gets the type of continuing education and the type of supervision in terms of professional conduct, I think is to be applauded. And I think we, obviously, support that and look forward to seeing some other amendments to some other professional Acts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and I thank my colleagues for their participation in this d ebate and the bipartisan support that it is receiving. It would have been nice, perhaps, to …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerA male voice. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —the male persuasion.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI was looking around for one myself, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: But I believe that my Shadow opposite said it right when she spoke to the i mportance of women and the fact that we are the ones that are birthing and creating—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerWell— Hon. Kim N. W ilson: —the population.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerWell, I was trying to have that offset, but none of the gentlemen took it. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: So with that, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections ] An Hon . Member: Can you change the name from “midwife” to …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood point, good point, there, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Good point. I stand corrected.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood point. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I stand corrected. So Mr. Speaker , there was, I believe, a couple of questions. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, there was one question in particular raised by the Honourable Member from constituency 23 and I will get to that . …
Good point.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I stand corrected. So Mr. Speaker , there was, I believe, a couple of questions.
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Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, there was one question in particular raised by the Honourable Member from constituency 23 and I will get to that . . . well, I will start with that. Currently, under the 1949 Midwives Act, there is no requirement for registration. So the midwives that are currently practicing on this . . . and I do not want to use your word because you said the “old mi dwives” —
[Inaudible interj ection]
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I know what you meant, I know. But when you say “old midwives,” it has a different connotation. But the midwives that are practicing now (let us use it that way) will be grandfathered in, Mr. Speaker . But they will have to re- register, because under the 1949 Act there was no requirement for midwives to be registered. One of the components, principal components, of this Act is that they will now fit within the nursing regime and they will have to do a registration. So they will be grandfathered in, and they will have to re- register under this new provision, under this Act. And then there was another comment —and I thank the Member who just took her seat —with r espect to the profession of . . . trying to encourage midwives and local s to participate in that profession. However, I would also like at this point to— given our declining birth rate— encourage persons to study things like gerontology or social work or rehabilitation services. And I am sure my honourable friend and member from constituency 5—
Mrs. Tinee FurbertFour Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —[constituency] 4— would obv iously support such a position, [having] more persons studying rehabilitation services, therapy services, and social work. However, in that, Mr. Speaker , again, I am glad to stand here with bipartisan support with respect to this Bill and I would like, …
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Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —[constituency] 4— would obv iously support such a position, [having] more persons studying rehabilitation services, therapy services, and social work. However, in that, Mr. Speaker , again, I am glad to stand here with bipartisan support with respect to this Bill and I would like, Mr. Speaker , to now move that this Bill be committed.
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Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Thank you, Minister. Deputy?
House in Committee at 2:42 pm
[Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chair man]
COMMITTEE ON BILL
NURSING AMENDMENT ACT 2018
The ChairmanChairmanHonourable Member s, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move clauses 1 through 4.
The ChairmanChairmanContinue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, th e Bill amends the Nursing Act 1997 (the “principal Act”) to cause the Act to apply to both nurses and midwives by changing the title of the Act to include midwives; by transferring the regul atory oversight for …
Continue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, th e Bill amends the Nursing Act 1997 (the “principal Act”) to cause the Act to apply to both nurses and midwives by changing the title of the Act to include midwives; by transferring the regul atory oversight for midwives from the Bermuda Medical Council to t he Bermuda Nursing and Midwifery Council; by providing for an updated regulatory framework for midwives in accordance with best practice; and by providing for incidental matters. Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides a citation for the Bill. Mr. Chairman, clause 2 amends the principal Act by repealing the title of the Act and substituting the title “Nursing and Midwifery Act 1997.” Mr. Chairman, clause 3 amends the principal Act by renaming the Bermuda Nursing Council as the “Bermuda Nursing and Midwifery Council .” Mr. Chairman, clause 4 amends the principal Act by renaming the Nursing Profession Complaints Committee as the “Nursing and Midwifery Professions Complaints Committee.”
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers on clauses 1 through 4? There appear to be none . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to proceed by moving clauses 5 through 7.
The ChairmanChairmanWell let’s approve clauses 1 through 4 first. Do you want to move clauses 1 through 4? Hon. Kim N. Wilso n: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1 through 4 be accepted and stand and form part of the Bill.
The ChairmanChairmanAny objections to clauses 1 through 4 being approved? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanContinue, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Clause 5 amends section 2 of the principal Act to insert a definition for the term “midwife.” A “midwife” is defined as a person who holds the qualif ications and competencies as may be prescrib ed in the rules. The clause also …
Continue, Minister.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Clause 5 amends section 2 of the principal Act to insert a definition for the term “midwife.” A “midwife” is defined as a person who holds the qualif ications and competencies as may be prescrib ed in the rules. The clause also amends the definition of “the register” so as to provide that “part of the register” means part of a division of the register. This is to take account of the register divisions as provided under clause 8. Clause 6 amends section 3 of the principal Act to remove the Council’s corporate status. Clause 7 amends the principal Act by inser ting a new section 3A to provide protection for Council members from liability during the course of the di scharge of the Council’s functions, except in cases where it is proved that the act or omission was done in bad faith.
The ChairmanChairmanAny speakers to clauses 5 through 7? There appear to be none. Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 5 through 7 stand — The Chairm an: It has been moved that clauses 5 through 7 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear …
Any speakers to clauses 5 through 7? There appear to be none. Minister?
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 5 through 7 stand —
The Chairm an: It has been moved that clauses 5 through 7 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 5 through 7 passed.]
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to now move claus es 8 through 10, concerning the registration division in the register.
The ChairmanChairmanContinue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Clause 8 amends section 4 of the principal Act to provide for the register of nurses and nursing associates to include midwives and for the register to consist of: a nurses and nursing ass ociates division and a midwives division. Each division is to include …
Continue.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Clause 8 amends section 4 of the principal Act to provide for the register of nurses and nursing associates to include midwives and for the register to consist of: a nurses and nursing ass ociates division and a midwives division. Each division is to include the names of those professionals regi sOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 153
Bermuda House of Assembly tered in relation to that division and such other ident ifying particulars of those professionals as are spec ified. Clause 9 amends section 6B of the principal Act by inserting the terms “midwife” “midwives” and “midwifery” so as to empower the Council to prescribe a code of conduct for midwives. Clause 10 amends sections 5, 6E and 8 to provide reference to the divisions of the register in order to take account of the divisions to the register introduced under clause 8.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers to clauses 8 through 10? There appear to be none. Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I mo ve that clauses 8 through 10 be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clauses 8 through 10 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 8 through 10 passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, conti nue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I now move clauses 11 through 13.
The ChairmanChairmanContinue, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: These clauses concern the registration of midwives, disciplinary powers, title and scope protection, prohibition t o prescribe drugs, and the rules. Clause 11 amends sections 3, 4, 5, 6, 6A, 6E, 8, 8A and 8B of the principal Act to cause the sections to …
Continue, Minister.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: These clauses concern the registration of midwives, disciplinary powers, title and scope protection, prohibition t o prescribe drugs, and the rules. Clause 11 amends sections 3, 4, 5, 6, 6A, 6E, 8, 8A and 8B of the principal Act to cause the sections to also apply to midwives. Under the amended section 3, the functions of the Council are to include regulat ory oversight of midwives. Under the amended section 4, the requirements with respect to the register apply to midwives. Under the amended section 5, the r equirements for admission to a register apply to those seeking admission to the register for midwives. Under the amended section 6, the requirements with respect to renewal of registration apply to midwives. Under the amended section 6A, the requirements with respect to continuing education apply to midwives. Under the amended section 6E, the Council’s power to impose discipline extends to midwives where complaints against them have been proved. Under the amended section 8, it has been made an offence for any person to falsely claim to be a midwife. Under the amended section 8A, it is prohibited for any person to pract ise midwifery without being registered. Under the amend-ed section 8B, it is prohibited for midwives to pr escribe drugs. Clause 12 amends the principal Act to insert section 8AA. The section is carried over from the r epealed Midwives Act 1949. Section 8AA provides to prohibit any person to practise as a midwife without being registered as a midwife, except where such person is acting under the direction of a medical practitioner or in an emergency. Clause 13 amends section 9 of the principal Act to empower t he Minister, in consultation with the Council, to make rules for purposes of midwives.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers to clauses 11 through 13? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am not exactly certain where it should fit in. This is between [clauses] 11 and 13, where we talk about the …
Any further speakers to clauses 11 through 13? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am not exactly certain where it should fit in. This is between [clauses] 11 and 13, where we talk about the . . . not being able to . . . maybe 12 . . . clause 12, [inserting section] 8AA “Pr ohibition regarding practice of midwives” where it says that “A person who is not a registered midwife shall not attend any woman in childbirth” . . . unless an emergency situation exists. That is [at clause 12], u nder new section [8AA (1)(b)]. The question . . . and that is without the s upervision of a medical practitioner. The question that I have is this: Is there a requirement for a midwife to carry medical malpractice insurance, which would come under this circumstance, because, clearly, if somebody is going to attend to a birth and something goes horribly wrong, you know . . . is there going to be a requirement . . . is there a requirement for that?
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Susan Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you. My question is around clause 12. So, if you are an overseas midwife and you have been asked to come to Bermuda, what is the process involved so that they are not just sort of getting . . . I do not know, a work permit, and then …
Thank you. My question is around clause 12. So, if you are an overseas midwife and you have been asked to come to Bermuda, what is the process involved so that they are not just sort of getting . . . I do not know, a work permit, and then providing . . . is there a regi stration process for midwives coming from overseas?
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? Minister, you have the floor. Okay, let the Minister speak first. Do you want to? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is no requirement, under law, for mi dwives to have indemnity insurance at this point in time. 154 23 November 2018 Official …
Any further speakers? Minister, you have the floor. Okay, let the Minister speak first. Do you want to? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is no requirement, under law, for mi dwives to have indemnity insurance at this point in time. 154 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly And in order to practice as a midwife here you will have to be registered locally with the Nursing Midwifery Act of 2018.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Phyllis Atherden — [Laughter]
The ChairmanChairmanI do not know why I call you Phyllis. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanIs that your second name? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: No. Juanita . . . Juanita is my second name. [Laughter] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Chairman, to the Mi nister, I have a question and I think it sort of ties into . . . we keep skirting around something …
Is that your second name? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: No. Juanita . . . Juanita is my second name. [Laughter] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Chairman, to the Mi nister, I have a question and I think it sort of ties into . . . we keep skirting around something which in the past has come up, this whole question of what we call the doulas. And so if you could just clarify so that ever ybody understands what a doula does and, once this Act is put into place, whether the doula will only be able to practice under the direct supervision of a regi stered medical practit ioner, or if doulas are able to qualify as registered midwives. And back to the question that came from my honourable colleague Susan [Jackson], whether if someone came—a doula—from the UK or whatever, whether they would be able to practice based on what I see in [clause] 12. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A doula —for those persons listening . . . and sometimes people use that word interchangeably with a midwife, which is not accurat e. A doula . . . they are trained and they are certified childbirth “companions” …
Any further speakers? Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A doula —for those persons listening . . . and sometimes people use that word interchangeably with a midwife, which is not accurat e. A doula . . . they are trained and they are certified childbirth “companions” or coaches. Certification is the process by which they gain knowledge, skills and professional ethics to pr ovide continuous physical, emotional and informational support to th e mother before, during and shortly after childbirth to help her achieve the healthiest, most satisfying experience. But a doula does not provide any type of medical care. And the workshops that doulas must undertake to become certified are typically short and may take only a few days or weeks to complete. So we just want to make sure people are aware that there is a distinction between a doula —
Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: So a doula can become certified.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Oh, yes, absolutely. Well, a doula can undergo the requisite training to become a midwife and then upon that completion he or she can register here in Bermuda. Thank you for that question.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Honourable Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamp lin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to go back to the issue of the malpractice insurance. The Minister ind icated that there is no necessity to carry indemnity i nsurance— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. …
The Chair recognises the Honourable Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamp lin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to go back to the issue of the malpractice insurance. The Minister ind icated that there is no necessity to carry indemnity i nsurance— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am sorry, that there is no requirement . . . that there is no requir ement, sorry, to carry indemnity. And I certainly did not wish to . . . that was certainly a slip of the tongue. There is no—
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, okay. But I am wondering whether the Minister or the Ministry is looking to require medical malpractice insurance or some kind of indemnity insurance going forward if we are looking at (a) best practice, and (b) ensuring that there is some coverage for ensuring a proper and good outcome and experience for mother and baby.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I indicated previously, this is phase 1. This is the beginning stage. We are looking at phase 2, which will include a number of things in consultation with the midwives as well as the other stakeholders, such …
Any further speakers? Minister?
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I indicated previously, this is phase 1. This is the beginning stage. We are looking at phase 2, which will include a number of things in consultation with the midwives as well as the other stakeholders, such as obstetricians, to consider things like whether or not there should be . . . whether they can prescribe medicine and the like. Lega lly, there is no requirement for them to have indemnity insurance. The law does not provide for that . . . or does not require that. And, in fact, the only health professionals in Bermuda that are legally required to carry indemnity insurance are physician s and psychologists.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? Minister, you have the floor. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 155 Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to now move clauses . . .
The ChairmanChairmanEleven through 13. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —[clauses] 11 through 13 b e approved.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. It has been moved that clauses 11 through 13 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 11 through 13 passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanContinue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Mr. Chairman, with your leave, can I move clauses 14 to the end, 18?
The ChairmanChairmanContinue. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Clause 14 amends the First Schedule to the principal Act to provide for midwives to be represented in the Council. The First Schedule is further amended to provide that the chairman of the council shall have a casting vote in the event of an equality …
Continue.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Clause 14 amends the First Schedule to the principal Act to provide for midwives to be represented in the Council. The First Schedule is further amended to provide that the chairman of the council shall have a casting vote in the event of an equality of votes and to prevent members of the Council voting where there may be a conflict of interest. Clause 15 amends the Second Schedule to the pri ncipal Act to provide for midwives to be repr esented in the Nursing and Midwifery Professions Complaints Committee. Clause 16 repeals the Midwives Act 1949 and provides the saving of the registration of midwives made under the repealed Midwives Act 1949 for a period of six months from the date of the coming into operation of this Bill in order to enable registration of midwives under the Nursing and Midwifery Act 1997. Clause 17 provides for consequential amendments to the Government Fees Regulations 1996, the Government Authorities (Fees) Act 1971, the Pharmacy and Poisons Act 1979, the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 2006, the Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes Act 1999, the Registration (Births and Deaths) Act 1949 and the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 1973. And finally, clause 18 provides for the Minister to cause the Act to come into operation on such date as the Minister may determine.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just for clarity, I just wanted to make sure that I understand that continuing professional education, which, under the principal Act, is under . …
Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just for clarity, I just wanted to make sure that I understand that continuing professional education, which, under the principal Act, is under . . . and this is in respect of clause 16, with r espect to the transitional provisions. As I mentioned in the debate before, I do not want to see us creating a second class . . . you know, creating second- class citizens of the midwives. So, if they are able to be grandfathered and tra nsferred effectively en bloc to come under the umbrella of the Nursing Act, whether . . . the nurses are required to have continuing professional education, so for a midwife to be registered then, clearly, they would also have to show that they are profici ent with their continuing professional educ ation, you know, that it should be updated. So I am just wondering whether we really need to . . . whether we could not just merge the two registers because one would not be able to operate as a midwife if under the legislation you have to have . . . you have to be current with your continuing professional education. That continuing professional educ ation, we are saying we have to give them six months in which to qualify, in which to apply for registration. The Mi nister indicated that there was no necessity at the moment under the Midwives Act [1949] to register, so there is a registration process that was enabled under the Midwives Act, but the Minister indicated that there was no necessity for midwives to register under that Act so they chose not to . . . then they did not necessarily have to. But if they were a midwife yesterday, they are going to be a midwife today upon the merging of the Act, and I just wondered whether we were unduly burdening the midwives to register and come up with what is necessary for continuing professional educ ation when we are not saying to the nurses —
The ChairmanChairmanI think the Minister addressed that in her brief, about grandfathering, but anyhow. Any further speakers? Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I understand it correctly, the question is with respect to continuing legal education . . . that is where my mind is —continuing education. …
I think the Minister addressed that in her brief, about grandfathering, but anyhow. Any further speakers? Minister?
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I understand it correctly, the question is with respect to continuing legal education . . . that is where my mind is —continuing education. The midwives will also, Mr. Chairman, be required to complete a series of continuing education requirements . . . similar to their nurse counterparts. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move the clauses? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, th ank you. 156 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses . . .
The ChairmanChairman[Clauses] 14 through 18. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, [clauses] 14 through 18 be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clauses 14 through 18 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 14 through 18 passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanYou can move the — Hon. Kim N. Wilson: The preamble?
The ChairmanChairman—the preamble, yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, I move that the preamble be approved, Mr. Chairman .
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. The Ch airman: Are there any objections to the Bill being reported to …
It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Ch airman: Are there any objections to the Bill being reported to the House as printed? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House.
Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you.
[Motion carried: The Nursing Amendment Act 2018 was considered by a Com mittee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
House resumed at 3:01 pm
[Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
NURSING AMENDMENT ACT 2018
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood afternoon, Members. Are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 being reported to the House as printed? No objections? So moved. That now takes us on to the next Order on the Order Paper for today. And I believe the second Order we are …
Good afternoon, Members. Are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Nursing Amendment Act 2018 being reported to the House as printed? No objections? So moved. That now takes us on to the next Order on the Order Paper for today. And I believe the second Order we are dealing with today is Order No. 5, which is the second reading of the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 in the name of the Minister of Tourism and Transport. Minister, would you like to present your Bill?
BILL
SECOND READING
BERMUDA TOURISM AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2018
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I move that the Bill entitled the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 be now read for the second time.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections? No objections. Continue on, Minister. Hon. Zane J. S . De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , the purpose of this Bill is to amend the Bermuda Tourism Authority Act 2013 to make provision for the Minister responsible for Tour-ism to: (a) make appointments to …
Any objections? No objections. Continue on, Minister.
Hon. Zane J. S . De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , the purpose of this Bill is to amend the Bermuda Tourism Authority Act 2013 to make provision for the Minister responsible for Tour-ism to: (a) make appointments to the Board of the A uthority, including that of the Deputy Chairman; (b) make changes to the terms of the appointment of Board members; (c) give directions to the Board; and (d) remove from the Board members who are unwil ling to carry out their functions. Mr. Speaker , the Bill before the House toda y amends the powers of the Minister as they relate to the Board of the Bermuda Tourism Authority. Mr. Speaker , this Honourable House will be aware that the Bermuda Tourism Authority Act 2013 established the Bermuda Tourism Authority to: • develop and promote Bermuda as a tourist destination; • advise and assist the Government on matters relating to travel and tourism; • contribute to the economic growth of Bermuda by increasing the travel and tourism sector’s contribution to the Bermudian economy; • implement the National Tourism Plan and r eview and update the Plan on a periodic basis; • provide appropriate tourism education and training; • ensure the social and economic enhancement of Bermuda through the development of tourism and the implementation of the National Tourism Plan; • ensure that the development of tourism is appropriate and sustainable given the size, env ironment, resources and population of Berm uda; Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 157
Bermuda House of Assembly • to charge fees for services rendered to travel and tourism enterprises, as the Minister may determine in consultation with the Minister of Finance; • and such other functions as the Minister may authorise the Board to carry out. Mr. Speaker , the House is well aware of the importance of tourism to the economy of Bermuda. The Authority is established to promote Ber muda globally as a world- class destination for travellers. U ntil recently, when the function was transferred to the Business Development Agency, this included promoting the Island for tourism investment as well. Of note, our approach to tourism requires constant review and fine-tuning to assure that we are agile and responsive. Mr. Speaker , the Authority is a corporation governed by a Board made up of a Chairman and seven other members. The Minister appoints the Chairman, and members of the Board, including the Deputy Chairman, are elected by the Board itself after consultation with the Minister. The Chairman is appointed for a three- year term and on expiry of that term may be reappointed by the Minister. The Board members serve for a four -year term and may be considered for re- election by the Board for one more term only, after consultation with the Minister. Such an election may be contested by another candidate who may be nominated by the Minister or the Chairman. Mr. Speaker , the current makeup of the Board is: • Paul Telford, the Chair (appointed October 2, 2017 until October 2, 2020); • Jessica Mello, the Deputy (appointed December 19, 2017 until December 19, 2021); • Earl Graves (term two, appointed December 19, 2015 until December 19, 2019); • Peter Everson ( term two, appointed December 19, 2015 until December 19, 2019); • Sophia Greaves (term one, appointed May 1, 2017 until May 1, 2021); • Phil Barnett (term two, appointed December 19, 2017 until December 19, 2021); • Stephen Todd (term one, appointed November 30, 2017 until November 30, 2021); and • Joseph Best (term one, appointed October 5, 2018 until October 5, 2022). Mr. Speaker , in the context of Bermuda this system of Board members electing other Board me mbers as well as the Deputy Chairman is unusual. It limits the ability of the Minister to recommend or a ppoint Board members, including the Deputy Chairman, who might bring to the Authority useful alternative points of view. It does not allow for the Authority to be refreshed with new ideas and energy from time to time. In addition, the Act imposes a term limit on Board members, preventing them from continuing to serve when it might be prudent to retain them for a further term or terms. Further, the terms served by Board members exceed in length the terms served by the Chairman. Given the BTA is an entity that receives su bstantial taxpayer funds, it is appropriate for proper oversight to be in place and for the Board’s work to be in alignment with the vision, goals and objectives of the Government of the day. Mr. Speaker , amendments are sought which will provide for future Board members, including the Deputy Chairman, to be appointed by the Minister, after consultation with the Board. This brings the A uthority more in line with other authorities in Bermuda, such as the Regulatory Authority, where the respons ible Minister or a selection committee comprising se veral Ministers makes Board appointments. Also, Board members will be appointed for three- year terms, matching the length of term of the Chairman without limit as to the number of terms. To be clear, Mr. Speaker , the terms of appointment of the current members are not affected by the Bill before the House today. Furthermore, the Bill does not allow the Minister to hire or fire any emplo yee of the BTA.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSay that again. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I think it is worth r epeating, Mr. Speaker . The Bill does not allow the Minister to hire or fire any employee of the BTA; to select contract or grant recipients; or to determine the day -to-day oper ations …
Say that again.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I think it is worth r epeating, Mr. Speaker . The Bill does not allow the Minister to hire or fire any employee of the BTA; to select contract or grant recipients; or to determine the day -to-day oper ations of the BTA. I hope that point is clear. Mr. Speaker , whilst the existing Act enables the Minister to authorise the Authority to carry out ot her functions, it does not directly provide for the Mini ster to give directions to the Board. This Bill ame nds the Act to empower the Mi nister, after consultation with the Board, to give directions. Further, the Board must give effect to those di-rections. This allows for an improved alignment between Government and the Authority on critical matters of policy. T his power to give direction is similar to the power which the Minister responsible for the West End Development Corporation and the Bermuda Land Development Corporation has. Finally, Mr. Speaker , the Bill provides for members to be removed from the Board if they are unable, unfit or unwilling to perform their functions as a member. As stated, tourism plays a critical role in Bermuda’s economy and, as such, it is important to ensure that the Bermuda Tourism Authority’s gover ning board is properly positioned to succeed with the full participation of and contribution by all members. These decisions will be made after consultation with the Board. Mr. Speaker , I am pleased, therefore, to intr oduce the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 which proposes amendments to the Bermuda 158 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Tourism Authority Act 2013 to provide for the Minister to: 1. after consultation with the Board, appoint f uture members of the Board for terms of three years without limit on renewals; 2. after consultation with the Chairman, appoint a Deputy Chair of the Board who shall be r esponsible for assisting the Chairman in the efficient conduct of the affairs of the Authority and for certain delegated functions; 3. after consultation with the Board, give directions of a general character as to the exercise and performance by the Board of its functions, and require the Board to give effect to any such directions; and 4. after consultation with the Board, remove from the Board any person —whether Chairman, Deputy Chairman or member —who is unwil ling to car ry out his functions as a Board member in addition to being unable or unfit. Mr. Speaker , with these amendments the A uthority will be better aligned with and able to fulfil the Government’s mandate of ensuring the social and economic enhancement of Bermuda through the development of tourism and the implementation of the National Tourism Plan. Mr. Speaker , I move that the Bill now be committed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNot committed yet . . . not committed yet. I know you are racing for a short day, which I agree to. B ut I think there are a few Members that would like to have a comment while we are in open discussion. So with that, is there any …
Not committed yet . . . not committed yet. I know you are racing for a short day, which I agree to. B ut I think there are a few Members that would like to have a comment while we are in open discussion. So with that, is there any Member that would like to contribute to the debate? We recognise the Deputy Leader of the O pposition. Honourable Member , you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. ScottThank you, Mr. Speaker . I think my counterpart over there does not want me to talk. [Laughter]
Ms. Leah K. ScottMr. Speaker , you never know where your mentors are going to come from. And for the years that I have be en in this House I have watched Mr. De Silva during debates, and I have watched him have his files with all of his cuttings and all of …
Mr. Speaker , you never know where your mentors are going to come from. And for the years that I have be en in this House I have watched Mr. De Silva during debates, and I have watched him have his files with all of his cuttings and all of his information and do his research. So what I have learned is that if I am going to be against him, I have to read the newspaper every day, and I have to make sure that I have my cuttings, and I have to make sure that I am careful about what I say because I know that he will repeat it back to me. So Mr. Speaker , when the BTA first was established, the Government was critic al of the BTA. And, like anything else, if it is something new, if it is something that you are not used to, then of course there are going to be criticisms. Mr. Speaker , there was concern, or criticism, that the BTA was going to be run as a business. But my question is: What would be the alternative if it is not going to be run as a bus iness? Anyone who owns or runs a business, or works, knows that a business cycle is generally five years. So the BTA in its initial years, there was a decline in numbers in tourism, and those numbers have steadily increased. So last year we had record numbers, and it was with the boost of America’s Cup. But this year, Mr. Speaker , we have record numbers again, and there was no America’s Cup. Which says to me that the BTA is working; it is functioning as it should be, and its independence is necessary for it to continue to function as it does. Mr. Speaker , we agree that the tourism industry in Bermuda is a key driver of economic growth, and it is the second pillar of our econ omy. And we have a National Tourism Plan, which seems to be working. We have a Tourism Department, which pr ovides incentive funding, so they are creating entrepr eneurs as mandated under their mission statement. And that is one of the things that the Minist er had spoken about years back when he was a Shadow Minister—about creating investment and entrepr eneurial opportunities —which the BTA has done. So Mr. Speaker , the BTA has figured out how to grow our numbers and how to develop our product. They have attr acted visitors to the Island and at some point the number of visitors that come here will actua lly level out. So, while attaining high numbers is i mportant, we also want to be sustainable because there will be a time when the number of visitors that come t o Bermuda will not increase, but we want to maintain the level of visitors in Bermuda that we already have. So what we want is a plan that has long- term, meaningful growth for Bermuda. Now, Mr. Speaker , I was looking at . . . and if I may, the Journal of Political Sciences & Public Affairs , and “The Analysis of Tourism Policies”: “The most common barrier to sustainable tourism implementation . . . is economic policy over social and environmental concerns. This barrier is strongly linked to the short -term concerns of political leaders who play a main role in tourism policy impl ementation and development . . . As such, most barr iers to policy implementation arise out of government influence. Politicians give much focus to short -term economic objectives that priori tise econom ic factors such as job creation and development that come up with immediate or short -terms results, as opposed to those policies that take longer time to achieve such as tourism policies. Tourism sustainability policies often require more th an ten years to be realised, whereas, political sequence, flexible policies should be d esigned to cope with this speedy progress on all spheres of influence in [the] tourism and travel world. ” Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 159
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker , we open our doors for people to come to experience Bermuda. A good tourism product allows Bermudians to become ambassadors —we share our culture and our history with our visitors, our places are attractions that we are proud of and proud of people to be able to come to. The experiences that people have h ere become stories and they talk about Bermuda over and over. So with the efforts of the BTA and Kevin Dallas, who has done, as far as I am concerned, a stellar job, I am disappointed in the decision to amend the legislation. And I am not quite sure why th e need for increased powers is necessary for the Minister. The reality is that . . . is Government involv ement to that degree really necessary? We have the advertising and marketing agencies who promote tourism. We have the travel agents who know how to successfully sell Bermuda as a destination. We have the hoteliers who run the hotels. We have the resta urants who know how to serve fabulous meals to our guests. And our artisans who create products and trinkets so that people can take a memory of Bermuda away with them. So why is it important for Gover nment to have any more role than it already has in the BTA? Good corporate governance, I think, has already been exercised. What this has the potential of is for the Board to be able to override the independenc e of the BTA and, you know, will we continue to be as successful as we have been? There are some technical parts of the Bill that I will discuss when we get into Committee, but I would just encourage the Government to leave the BTA the way that it is. Ther e is a . . . there is a general power in the legislation that is very broad and very wide, and I do not know that [this] it is necessary with all of the other powers that currently exists in the legislation. And with that, Mr. Speaker , I will take my seat.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Would any other Honourable Member like to speak? I recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member , you have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I would have thought that t he Honourable Member s across from us would …
Thank you, Honourable Member . Would any other Honourable Member like to speak? I recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member , you have the floor.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I would have thought that t he Honourable Member s across from us would be jumping up to this piece of amendment. Let me start out by saying this, Mr. Speaker — [Crosstalk]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet the Honourable Member speak. He has the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, we have got a l ot of chirping going on, but that is usual of the Government. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, absolutely! We are going to talk about your chirping for sure. This …
Let the Honourable Member speak. He has the floor.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, we have got a l ot of chirping going on, but that is usual of the Government. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Oh, absolutely! We are going to talk about your chirping for sure. This is going to be real interesting, Mr. Speaker . And through my tenure, as the Honourable Minister Zane De Silva, when he was the Shadow Minister, while we were Government . . . I would like him . . . and he has got a lot of energy. I would liken him to that Jack -in-the-box, you know. You play that tune and he will pop up and —
[Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNow, now, let’s be nice, everyone. Let’s be nice . . . Members, Members. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —we are not being . . . I am talking about —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members, just let . . . Members. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I am talking about the fact that he has got a lot of energy, okay? [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Absolutely . . . absolutely. So Mr. Speaker , you know, with that energy . …
Members, Members, just let . . . Members. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I am talking about the fact that he has got a lot of energy, okay?
[Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Absolutely . . . absolutely. So Mr. Speaker , you know, with that energy . . . sometimes it was entertaining, sometimes it was frustrating, as the OBA realised that it wanted to see the politics that were seemingly preventing tourism numbers [from getting] better out of the Ministry of Tourism. And so we came up with this Authority b elieving that it would have its autonomy to be able to enact, make recommendations, [and] work along with the Government as it sought to do what was best for the Island and the industry. And when we became Government in 2013, we also had the opportunity to speak with many stakeholders —some in t he room on my side were there— up at Southampton Princess, trying to understand better the industry and what the hotels were looking for, what visitors were looking for, and the likes. And the same message kept coming back —that we as Governments were missing the point, and we were not listening to the tourists and what they were looking for. And I want to read something to you that the former Minister, the Honourable Member , Mr. Croc kwell, said: “ 1. . . this is no fault of any particular Go vernment or no f ault of any particular Minister, but the Government . . . believes that the methodology of how tourism was managed and implemented was broken. ” There was no blame being cast back and forth at all. But the fact is that we wanted to concentrate on
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Bermuda House of Assembly what was b est for the Island. Hence now, if we wind the tape forward, we see where we are getting great results from the BTA. And, as I said before, the Honourable Member . . . it seemed as though when the OBA Minister would get up . . . before he could even get up, the Shadow Minister was already standing up to have something to say. And I appreciated those back -and-forths in that kind of debate. It was lively. It kept us all, even at times, entertained and informed. But I want to say I can remember in 2015, and we were getting into a bit of a debate on tourism, and I recall the then Shadow Minister (now the Minister). His exact words were, The first thing that I’d do if I was the Minister . . . first . . . the first thing that I would do if I was in charge of tour ism is increase advertising by $10 million to $20 million, $40 million . . . Mr. Speaker . I remember clearly —
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I remember clearly him saying those numbers —$40 million to advertising — only to be . . . you k now, disappointed as he went on with the debate to accuse the BTA of spending more money on salaries and staff than on advertising. And, of course, the COO at that time—I think she still is the COO . . . Karla? She rightfully put him in his place to get t he numbers correct, that that was not the case at all. And then, you know, so the first thing he said was that, If he was the Minister . . . this is the first thing that I’m going to do . . . the first thing. And so we are here today and now he is the Minister. And the first thing that he does is bring a Bill to the House— which some would believe is nothing more than a power grab . . . some would believe that. Now, I am hoping . . . I am hoping that the decisions that this Government makes concerning the BTA will continue to enhance what we are seeing now. That is to be seen. What we do know is that the BTA has been able to turn the tide of the numbers that we were seeing back in 2013, 2012 numbers as well, that we now are seeing the tide having changed and the fact is tourism is thriving and doing well as our second pillar. And I might add that even the United States . . . we continue to talk about the United States and how, you know, if they catch a cold we sneeze, or whatever the case may be. I have a subscription to the magazine Travel. And it mentions how their tourism numbers are booming through the roof as well. And so I am hoping that the BTA will find its niche as far as some of the international markets that the US is looking for, because if they are getting over as far as the US, we can certainly get them another hour and a half to Bermuda, and some of these other foreign markets. What I have not heard and what I am hoping that I will hear today is how these changes that we are looking at right n ow are going to benefit, are going to enhance the product. That is what we are looking for . . . to see —not stall it, not hold it up—but how is this going to enhance the product that we have today so that we continue to grow this market that is so i mportant, as my honourable colleague who just spoke prior to me spoke to, that it is necessary because it is our second pillar. I am excited about the fact that these numbers are increasing. But then I want to remind this House . . . and that this is why this is going to be i nteresting, Mr. Speaker . I want to remind this House how the then Shadow Minister (now Minister) also mentioned that the BTA was spending a whole lot of time in its efforts into social media, which he did not believe. And I have got the articl es here. He did not believe [that effort] was going to cut it. In today’s world it does not get any better than social media if you want to get a message out there. In fact, we have seen over the last year, maybe two years, where people have been coming t o Bermuda . . . individuals who have been coming to Bermuda, taking pictures of Bermuda and the advantage of that is that they have millions of followers. And we have seen how this has worked for us and we have also seen how this can also work against us. I go back to the question once again: with these amendments that we are making—
Hon. Wayne Caines : Mr. Speaker , point of order.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: The Member is misleading the House. If he is mentioning statistics about social m edia, I ask this Member to table the statistics to substantiate his point. He cannot . . . you cannot draft or mention statistics willy -nilly …
Point of order.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Wayne Caines: The Member is misleading the House. If he is mentioning statistics about social m edia, I ask this Member to table the statistics to substantiate his point. He cannot . . . you cannot draft or mention statistics willy -nilly without having substant iated facts to justify those claims, Mr. Speaker . The Spe aker: Thank you, Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes; oh, my goodness! So the Honourable Member , actually the Mi nister, said that he did not believe that social media was the way to get the message out there as effec-tively as it could be. So, what I a m saying is that social media is one of the mediums that is used out there — one that gets to millions of people. There are some who come here, who take pictures of Bermuda while they are in Bermuda and . . . millions of followers . . . they have millions of followers. So, I mean, that point of order made no sense whatsoever and says a whole lot. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 161
Bermuda House of Assembly But the point is this, Mr. Speaker : We have some great opportunities as the Ministry is growing. And in July of . . . I am reminding the Minister of some of the things that he said in the past, because I am looking forward to his involvement with the energy that he does have so that he enhances the product. We have not heard that yet on how it is going to happen, but I am looking forward to that. On July 17, 2015, the then Shadow Minister (now Minister) was upset that the BTA had stopped funding the tourism tent for Cup Match. I think we all remember that particular incident. And when he brought the incident up he said that it was a decision that was paramount to “a boycott of Cup Match” —a boycott of Cup Match. Now, the BTA had mentioned how they were doing several other things during Cup Match, but his words were this was a boycott of Cup Match . . . something so important to Bermudians . So, Mr. Speaker , I recognis e that that may have been . . . you know, his thought process that it was a boycott of Cup Match . . . and a lot was said thereafter from the BTA about what it was that they were doing with Cup Match. But Mr. Speaker , I did not hear a word from this Minister when a wall was being denied being paid for for Somerset Cricket Club, and many people would have thought that that was a boycott of Cup Match. Many people would have thought that. It is a matter of interpretation. So, on the one hand, Mr. Speaker . . . I hear the chirping. So on the one hand it is okay for them to say it, but if I say something that I believe is a boycott, it cannot be right.
[Inaudible interjections ]
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: It cannot be right. Mr. Speaker , not fixing that wall up there and then putting conditions on fixing that wall is, to me, paramount to a boycott of Cup Match! And then afterwards people stepped in to get the wall built. Then we saw a donation being made to the Somerset Cricket Club after the fact. Just do it i n the first place, it is for Cup Match, nobody was trying to get any brownie points, let us just fix the wall. That is all. But nothing was said by the Minister. But yet, when the BTA decides not to do the tent, but do something else with Cup Match, it is paramount to a boycott —
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Paramount to a boycott. And so the duplicity and the back and forth . . . and you can hear it through the chirping right now. [It is] very clear and plain, Mr. Speaker , that the BTA has been doing a fantastic job. And not everyone is going to be happy over the fact that, you know, the OBA said they wanted an authority and they put it into place and now it is doing well. I get that, and we have different opinions. But what I will s ay is this, and this is how I started: I want to know how these amendments are going to benefit the BTA, how they are going to bene-fit the Ministry of Tourism, how they are going to bene fit this country and our visitors. That is what we want to know. And i f it is going to benefit us, then so be it. We are here for good legislation. But we have not heard that, Mr. Speaker , as of yet. And so, I am sure this Bill will go through.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberExactly. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Again, as I said, I am sure it will go through. And I am glad . . . exactly, yes. But I hope, Mr. Speaker , I hope . . . I hope that the BTA gets its $40 million in advertising. …
Exactly.
[Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Again, as I said, I am sure it will go through. And I am glad . . . exactly, yes. But I hope, Mr. Speaker , I hope . . . I hope that the BTA gets its $40 million in advertising. I hope, Mr. Speaker , that Cup Match gets its tent back again, because we are w atching the Honourable Minister. I hope that if there are some infrastructure issues that go on, whether it be St. George’s Cup Match or Somerset Cup Match, that we will find the Government pitching in to help because, after all, Mr. Speaker , the numbers are up. The BTA has gone a good job and we thank the BTA for its fine work, Mr. Speaker .
[Desk thumping]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other . . . [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerIt is only because nobo dy else has moved. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. N. H. Cole SimonsMr. Speaker , I stand up to support what was said by my colleague. As the Shadow Minister of Tourism said, the Tourism Authority is doing a splendid job. They are producing results. With my interaction with them they are a very professional team. They have energy. They 162 23 …
Mr. Speaker , I stand up to support what was said by my colleague. As the Shadow Minister of Tourism said, the Tourism Authority is doing a splendid job. They are producing results. With my interaction with them they are a very professional team. They have energy. They 162 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly are creative and they are well -respected by all of the stakeholders and they are getting things done, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I think they represent Bermuda well. Their marketing material is refreshing and it is attractive to all sectors in the community and overseas. They have changed the flavour of its contents and the marketing material is very lively and engaging. Mr. Speaker , why change something . . . why change its success? Mr. Speaker , I think the real issue . . . let us get to it. The real issue was the situation that they had down at Shelly Bay. They had a beach economy planned, Mr. Speaker , and it was going well. It was going really well. They rolled it out in a professional manner. They had educational campaigns and ever yone was on board, until they got kickback from the people of the Shelly Bay area. And to a degree, the Tourism Authority stood their ground, Mr. Speaker . They were not going to back down. And then that was where you saw the anxiety. That was where you saw, Okay, they’re getting too strong for their britches and, as a consequence, we need to take back some of that control . And I think this was the impetus . . . the imp etus for them t o say, We need to put our people on this Board so that our agenda is progressed and that the political independence is compromised, Mr. Speaker . So Mr. Speaker , I have been watching this very carefully. And I watched that incident at Shelly Bay very carefully. And, up until then, that team at the Tourism Authority was respected by this Government and many of the Members of the PLP Government. In fact, the former Tourism Minister was quite comfort able with the performance of the Tourism Authority and their previous Minister. So Mr. Speaker , all I have to say is, again, it is a power grab. It compromises the independence of the Tourism Authority [and] in addition it also sends a “mad/bad” message that Government must control everything in this country. They ar e not leaving the professionals to do what they do best, and they are going to compromise the quality and delivery of service. Now we talked about . . . the Minister talked about committing $30 million to $40 million in marketing. Well, Mr. Speaker , you ca n commit it all you want, but if you have not done the marketing research to get the best value for money, then guess what? You can be throwing away dead money, Mr. Speaker . So I would prefer them to say they would review the marketing mix, the marketing p rogramme, and see what is best for the country and then put a price tag on it. But to say that, Oh, yeah, we’re gonna throw that money at the Department of Tourism, is not money well spent. Mr. Speaker , I would encourage the Minister to step back, pause, and leave the Tourism Authority alone. They have people on their Board that are representative of the industry and they will serve in the best interests of the industry. And I am certain that if the Minister were to talk to the CEO and the Chairman of the T ourism Authority and if they had concerns with the direction, I am sure they would listen to him and give him the attention that he rightfully deserves. But to have more influence within the Ministry is totally unacceptable and compromises the productivity and the success of the Tourism Authority. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Smith. Honourable Member Smith, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben SmithYes, Mr. Speaker . I grew up in a household that was influenced by tourism greatly, my father being an entertainer. I remember a lot of stories of where tourism used to be a long time ago. Obviously, there were significant changes over the years. But at the time he …
Yes, Mr. Speaker . I grew up in a household that was influenced by tourism greatly, my father being an entertainer. I remember a lot of stories of where tourism used to be a long time ago. Obviously, there were significant changes over the years. But at the time he would tell me of entertaining in multiple hotels, multiple places overnight because the tourists were filling the Island. Obviously, with two pillars strong in the eco nomy that tourism base was allowing for jobs in mult iple levels. There were entertainers, there were chambermaids, there were bartenders, and lots of people within our country were participating in that economy. A lot of houses were built out of that tourism industry. So it is important that we focus on getting to a positio n where we can get that tourism product that strong. It is taking a long time. It was a slow move to the point where tourism had dwindled to a point that it was very difficult for us to be competitive in the market because the market had changed. Other people had become involved, the world has gotten smaller, peo-ple have access to different markets that were different from Bermuda and we had to change what we were doing so that we could get back into the game. To me it seems that the Tourism Authority was our opportunity to get back into the game. Those changes have started to show the green shoots. We are seeing the changes that our increased hotel beds and also the interaction of Airbnb and more people are getting involved, once again, how it used to be a long time ago, so that now our country is understanding that tourism can be and should be an important part of this Island. The difficulty is you have to allow that group which has made these changes to continue to flourish in the way that they had. It s eems that the independence that was given to them has allowed them to do a lot of the things that have led to the successes that I have heard over the last few months that we are se eing from the tourism product. It seems odd that now Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 163
Bermuda House of Assembly you would want to chan ge the actual area that is showing the successes. So I just think it is important that we are car eful that the group that we have put in place to try to bring our tourism product back, that we are not going to make any decisions that are going to maybe sl ow that process down. If it is not broken, we should not be fighting quickly to try to fix something that we have not seen a broken part to. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member . . . we recognise the Honourable Member Pearman. Honourable Member Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you, Mr. Speaker . Only two short weeks ago we had the pleasure of a Throne Speech down on the lawn. And there were a whole host of Bills presented that the current Government proposed to bring to this Chamber. So it is a little bit surprising that here …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Only two short weeks ago we had the pleasure of a Throne Speech down on the lawn. And there were a whole host of Bills presented that the current Government proposed to bring to this Chamber. So it is a little bit surprising that here we are, and one of the first things out of the gates is a proposed change to the existing legislation for the Bermuda Tourism A uthority. The impr ession being given by the PLP is that the Minister’s powers as they currently stand are somehow insufficient, and the Minister does not have enough control at the moment over the Tourism A uthority. Respectfully, Mr. Speaker , that is not right. So let us j ust pause and take a look for a minute at what the Minister’s powers already are under the existing legislation. There is already a duty to consult with the Minister to elect any member of the Board. They must go consult first with the Minister —that is sec tion 4(2)(a). But wait, there is more. The Minister already has a right to nominate candidates to the Board. He already has the right to nominate candidates to the Board. That is section 4(2)(b). The Minister already has the power to appoint where the Boar d fails to form a quorum. That is section 4(2)(c). But wait, there is more. Section 5(1): The Mi nister shall appoint a Chairman of the Board of the BTA. So he already has that power, too. And there is more. Section 6, if the Board wants to appoint the CEO , the Board must do what? The Board must first consult with the Minister. So, why the need for the change? Why the need for the change? One of the explanations proffered in the m edia recently was the problem that needed fixing, a pparently, was that the Bo ard was perpetual, that the people who currently sit on the Board could sit on the Board for life. Now that is clearly wrong. Section 4(3) of the Act, as it already exists, [says] at the end of each term they are only re- electable for one further term. So they are not perpetual, contrary to what was being said. So, Mr. Speaker , what really is the problem? If it ain’t broke, why fix it? Because the only conclusion that can be drawn is that there is a desire for —
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Scott PearmanIt is not broke. There is a desire for political interference. If it is broken, why have we had three successive years of success under the BTA? Now Mr. Speaker , we have seen this before. We saw this with gaming; we saw interference with gaming. And if gaming in …
It is not broke. There is a desire for political interference. If it is broken, why have we had three successive years of success under the BTA? Now Mr. Speaker , we have seen this before. We saw this with gaming; we saw interference with gaming. And if gaming in Bermuda is not stone dead, well, it is certainly on life support. So we need to watch this space.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Dennis Lister IIIThe speaker, if he can cas t his mind back to the OBA administration when under similar circumstances, they took control of the Corporation of Hamilton to introduce retroactive control, Mr. Speaker . So what he is insinuating is that we are trying to take . . . it is …
The speaker, if he can cas t his mind back to the OBA administration when under similar circumstances, they took control of the Corporation of Hamilton to introduce retroactive control, Mr. Speaker . So what he is insinuating is that we are trying to take . . . it is contradicting, b ecause the OBA did it in their time also, Mr. Speaker . And if you ask what their motives were, Mr. Speaker . . . so we have to ask why is he contradicting?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. All right, I got your point. Continue on.
Mr. Scott PearmanMr. Speaker , as I said, if it ain’t broke, why fix it? We have seen this before. We saw it with gaming. And we are going to watch this space. The fact is, the Tourism Authority is not just an OBA success. The Tourism Authority is a Berm udian …
Mr. Speaker , as I said, if it ain’t broke, why fix it? We have seen this before. We saw it with gaming. And we are going to watch this space. The fact is, the Tourism Authority is not just an OBA success. The Tourism Authority is a Berm udian success. And we—all of us —shoul d welcome it. We should welcome the success that we are seeing under the Tourism Authority now, as it is presently constituted. It takes great wisdom to know what you do not know. And I would ask this Government to show r estraint —
[Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Scott PearmanI said, it takes great wisdom to know what you do not know.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAmen, brother!
Mr. Scott PearmanAmen! 164 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly So I would ask this Government to show r estraint and leave it the way it is. If you have any doubt, look around yo u, look at the tourists that are actually in Bermuda for the first …
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Bermuda House of Assembly So I would ask this Government to show r estraint and leave it the way it is. If you have any doubt, look around yo u, look at the tourists that are actually in Bermuda for the first time in three or four years, look at the fact that there are people walking down the streets, that there are people in the hotels and the restaurants again. Let us keep politics out of tour ism. Let us leave the BTA to do what they are doing and they are doing it well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 32. Honourable Member Simmons.
Mr. Scott SimmonsGood afternoon, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , first and foremost, let me congratulate the Minister for bringing this particular Bill to this House as it relates to the Bermuda Tourism A uthority Amendment Act 2018. Let us be clear on a few things. I have li stened carefully to …
Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , first and foremost, let me congratulate the Minister for bringing this particular Bill to this House as it relates to the Bermuda Tourism A uthority Amendment Act 2018. Let us be clear on a few things. I have li stened carefully to Members opposite. Mr. Speaker , we have to remember why this particular Authority was formed in the first place. We recognise the OBA for who and what they are and why the Tourism Authority, which, in my humble opi nion, a Tourism Authority under the right circumstances is absolutely a good thing. But let us get this clear —because we can gloss it all up, we can act as if we are not aware why you did it. You systematically created an environment in this country where you would be able to have departments that you could control in your absence.
Mr. Scott SimmonsThat is the problem with what you see with this Authority. Now let us get a couple of things clear, because I recognise that we have come int o this House this afternoon . . . the Opposition has come into this House to try to get us to a …
That is the problem with what you see with this Authority. Now let us get a couple of things clear, because I recognise that we have come int o this House this afternoon . . . the Opposition has come into this House to try to get us to a position where we just see this as an absolute affront by the governing party. An affront, stepping into this House, putting our soily mitts on what is supposed to be, legitimately, something that you said you have set up —not to abuse the word— "legitimately.” The BTA falls under this Government. It is an independent entity that receives what from this Gov-ernment?
Some Hon. Member s: Funding.
Mr. Scott SimmonsWe supply the funding for the BTA. Its independence should be restricted somewhat as it relates to the responsibility to the people of Bermuda who fund it. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Scott SimmonsThe people of Bermuda appointed the Bermuda Progressive Labour P arty to govern. As a result, the BTA must recognise their r esponsibility to this Government. But do you know what you have gone and done? And I said “you,” with all respect, to the OBA. What you have created …
The people of Bermuda appointed the Bermuda Progressive Labour P arty to govern. As a result, the BTA must recognise their r esponsibility to this Government. But do you know what you have gone and done? And I said “you,” with all respect, to the OBA. What you have created in the BTA, and you are creating around this country, are entities that are refusing . . . because of the belligerence that you created, [we] have an atmosphere in this country that the minute the Bermuda Progressive Labour Party says it, it is illegitimate , and don’t follow it . So what you get . . . w e are going to get it all this afternoon. What we get is an entity in this country, the Bermuda Tourism Authority, irrespective of all the good they have done . . . because, make no mistake about it, they have done some good. All you have to do is stand up on South Shore and you see that there are more tourists. But that is not the reason to have the BTA acting the way that they are by any means necessary.
Mr. Scott SimmonsCannot have it. And so we must recognise that there is a r esponsibility in this country for us to absolutely respect the people of this country and give us an opportunity for us to exert, at the very minimum . . . at the very minimum, some government controls …
Cannot have it. And so we must recognise that there is a r esponsibility in this country for us to absolutely respect the people of this country and give us an opportunity for us to exert, at the very minimum . . . at the very minimum, some government controls on this particular department. Now, I realise that the Honourable Opposition . . . and I will repeat what I said earlier and I will move on from there. But I will say this: You set up entities . . . and I am going to broaden it. You set up entities that refuse—refuse—to work with this Government, or have an attitude towards this Government, and then feel as though they can officiate in the absence of this Government. This Government has decided that we are not going t o have that. As long as we are Go vernment, we will have, at the very minimum — minimum—some authority over this particular Author ity. Now I realise that this flies in the face of the fact that we live in a Bermuda where individuals go vern by absentia. They tell you what to do from the shadows. They govern way over there to tell you what to do over here. And that is the thing that is the problem here because you set it up that way. And now when you see that this Government is not prepared — by a supermajority —to allow you to continue to tell or to govern in our absence . . . it is not going to happen. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 165
Bermuda House of Assembly So if we understand that as the premise, then we can move forward from there. Because I wanted to state today that we have to get to a position in this country w here we understand and respect this Go vernment. I heard “power grab” from the Honourable Opposition Leader. Everyone is scared to death the minute Zane De Silva, the Honourable Member . . . with all due respect, the minute he was named . . . the minute the Honourable Member Jamahl Simmons was named, it was . . . it was . . . everybody went berserk. They are going to take away the power of the BTA, they are going to destroy the autonomy of what it is. What we have to establish are elements of respect. This B ill . . . this amendment does not take away that. It does not take away anything from the BTA. What it does is instil an understanding that there must be —must be—a relationship with this Gover nment. There must be, at the very minimum, dialogue. And that go ing forward you have to recognise that the Government of the day should have a say and you have to consult them. But no, you want to put every single depar tment on autopilot . . . in your absence. We want to tell them what to do, just sit back, we will bri ng it all home. I just heard it from the Honourable Member . He said that tourism numbers are up, then why change a beautiful thing? We do not want to interrupt the BTA, but we want them to recognise that as long as we are funding it, when they become an independent body . . . because I do believe there was a promise of some three years, maybe that is a figment of my imagination. But there was a promise that said that after a certain period of time . . . now, if you are paying . . . and I will say this: If y ou are paying for the meal, you need to have some say on what is on that menu.
[Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Scott SimmonsYou have to have some say. And I am making it clear today that as it r elates to this particular amendment . . . and I believe we have a responsibility to inform the Government and the government departments, that you cannot ignore a Government that is voted in …
You have to have some say. And I am making it clear today that as it r elates to this particular amendment . . . and I believe we have a responsibility to inform the Government and the government departments, that you cannot ignore a Government that is voted in and the mandate that they were given. Whether you like it or not, the majority of Bermudians have said that thi s is the road that we must travel. They have expressed their co ncerns about entities that seem to think that they are islands unto themselves. We applaud the BTA for the work that they are doing, irrespective of the irreverent and, in my humble opinion, s ometimes the affront that comes from the head of the BTA. And I get extremely offended. But if you can attack Zane De Silva—the Honourable Member . . . if you can attack the former Minister, then I can, at the very minimum, on the floor of this House say t hat there are times that I do not appreciate what the CEO of the BTA has to say. I can make sure that I can say that. Because you can crit icise all of us all the time. The very minimum . . . I can criticise you. And the minute that we criticise, all of sudden, we are not the, how shall we say, the experts in the industry. We do not know anything about it, so stay out of it. The same way you treat finance, the same way you treat tourism, the same way you treat other issues —you tell us we do not know anything about it! As if we do not talk to people, as if people do not con-sult us, as if in the ministries they do not say anything to us, as if we are stubborn enough to govern irr espective. But when we, at the very minimum, accept the fact that the people of Bermuda must be represented, all of sudden, O h my God! Oh, no, they are out of step.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberIt’s a power grab.
Mr. Scott SimmonsWe are out of step. We need to fix this . And this is seen as us moving forward to just pull a . . . no, no, no, no, n o . . . at the end of the day, it is to create a recognition that we are …
We are out of step. We need to fix this . And this is seen as us moving forward to just pull a . . . no, no, no, no, n o . . . at the end of the day, it is to create a recognition that we are all in this t ogether, that we all have to work together, and that everyone’s opinion on this must be—must be— respected and included. I recognise that this is a hard and bitter pill. I realise that there are individuals in the industry . . . I work in hospitality. I am not just a casual person standing here; I have been in hospitality for quite a long time, as have many others. But at the end of the day, I realise that that is an indus try that individuals treat as a sacred grail. And the minute you start tal king about it, for some reason, if you happen to be of a certain ilk, nobody wants to listen to you. But when you set it up where certain individuals are in there, all of a sudden th ey are experts because, let us get it, and they are, the owners and all the rest. But you discount an entire group. You di scount an entire group of individuals from bartenders to managers to maids to bellmen, to all the individuals who . . . I tell you what. I met a gentleman last night [with] 64 years in the industry —64! But yet you are going to tell him that because he comes from a parti cular corner, because he is of a certain ilk, and because he does not own the hotel, because he does not have enough money, because he has not actually risen to the level of general manager and all that, you tell him his opinion does not matter! But yet, you have built an industry off of him. The point needs to be made that the BTA and any other Authority in this country . . . they must begin the process, because . . . Do you know why this is a bitter thing for us? And I say “us” because we are all in it. Why it is bitter? It is bitter because finally you have a Government that has the moxy to be able to say, at the very minimum, that we are going to begin the process of being a part of every entity that this 166 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Government is responsible for. You tell us “fiscal r esponsibility.” We are telling you there is going to be administrative responsibility over the BTA. [ Desk thumping]
Mr. Scott SimmonsAnd Mr. Speaker, I labour over this very industry because of the arrogance that I see and I have to listen to all the time. I listen to the BTA. The other day, and I am not going to bring them down, but I am going to mention this, this …
And Mr. Speaker, I labour over this very industry because of the arrogance that I see and I have to listen to all the time. I listen to the BTA. The other day, and I am not going to bring them down, but I am going to mention this, this lackadaisical, casual approach to how we manage this tour-ism industry. I went to a particular function and several members of the BTA, with all due respect to them (I am not going to degrade them and name who they are) . . . they should be ashamed. [ Laughter]
Mr. Scott SimmonsThe CEO had not shav ed, he was carrying himself in a certain manner, and I was appalled. I was appalled! Then another member of the BTA . . . and I said if, over on this side of the House, had we carried on like that you would have …
The CEO had not shav ed, he was carrying himself in a certain manner, and I was appalled. I was appalled! Then another member of the BTA . . . and I said if, over on this side of the House, had we carried on like that you would have said, Oh, exactly! That is the reason why they don’t have control of the BTA. That is what you would have said. But yet we continuously act as if this is a m irage, like this is a ll made up by the Government. All you are doing is running over there to run the show. All we are asking for is fair play. All we are asking for is a say at the table because we are paying and that there must be an audit. And this audit is this Gover nment that must say that we have to work together, but we are going to make sure— we are going to make sure—that we are a part of it. This was your creation. This was the Oppos ition’s . . . this was the Government’s creation. And you did it for obvious reasons. Because it is dismantling, everybody is lined up to preserve it. We are working and we plan to work hard together. This is what we feel is the best thing for Bermuda. We think that going forward we have to exert some kind of responsible administration on a ll of the departments that we have, as long as we are paying. We are not going to assume that we know everything. I am not going to walk over there, as the Honourable Member prepares to speak after me, and try to di smantle all we have said today. But at the end of the day, the Honourable Member . . . I will not tell him how to do his business. I would not tell him how to do his show. This is not to dismantle. But all I want to say is that . . . and I will finish on this note, Mr. Speaker . The reason I mention the line workers, the blue- collar workers in tourism, throughout this country, is that we and the unions are the only voice they have. For a long time in this country the owners, those who were the managers . . . and we are not going to get into who they were, what they were and what colour they were. But they ran this industry to benefit them. We have a responsibility to look out for those individuals and to use their money wisely and to assist every d epartment and the Authorities to get that done. You are not being attacked, you are not being diminished . What you have to start to learn to do is . . . and I hate this, but you are going to have to learn to begin the process to share. To share. It does not . . . the intelligence and the knowledge does not come just from one side. And that is what we are trying to instil with this. Mr. Speaker, I apologise that I did not go in depth into why on the points that the Minister brought out. I would be happy to continue, but I do believe I have used up the majori ty of my time — [ Laughter]
Mr. Scott Simmons—but . . . the majority of my time. But I will say that this Government will continue to work hard and will continue to change things. I believe that the country is aware that this particular Bermuda Progressive Labour Party is prepared to recognise that when we do not …
—but . . . the majority of my time. But I will say that this Government will continue to work hard and will continue to change things. I believe that the country is aware that this particular Bermuda Progressive Labour Party is prepared to recognise that when we do not like certain things, we say so. We do it in its proper form and in its proper place. But we disagree and then we move on and we move forward for the betterment of Bermuda. And when we find that we could be making mistakes, we make sure that we change them. This is not one of them. But we are going to see this, we are going to change it up, and we are going to do the things that need to be done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . [ Desk thumping]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . And it is nice that Honourable Members on that side now have somebody else to …
Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . And it is nice that Honourable Members on that side now have somebody else to join the Minister in this because, other than some interpolations on that side, the Minister has had little support. But the Honourable Member who just spoke—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOh, no, stop! [ Inaudible interjections] Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 167 Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Members, Members, Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: There we go. The interp olations again, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They can stand up and speak. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They can stand up and speak, Mr. Speaker . But, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member who just spoke was very interesting in what he said. But he spoke with broad generalisations —in my …
Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They can stand up and speak.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They can stand up and speak, Mr. Speaker . But, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member who just spoke was very interesting in what he said. But he spoke with broad generalisations —in my view, blatant misinformation and errant nonsense. And here is why, Mr. Speaker —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —the Honourable Member—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet the Member talk. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: All those Members over there—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet the Member talk. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —who have got a lot of interpolation . . . we could be here all day.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet the Member talk. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I know they have som ewhere to go. But the Honourable Member said, If you are paying f or the meal, you should be able to consult on the menu. If you are paying for the meal, you should be able to …
Let the Member talk.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I know they have som ewhere to go. But the Honourable Member said, If you are paying f or the meal, you should be able to consult on the menu. If you are paying for the meal, you should be able to consult on the menu. And I have to say, Mr. Speaker, that there is no one from the BTA, I believe, in the Gallery today. But the BTA better watch out because if they have not been consulted on the meal, they are the menu, Mr. Speaker . Very clearly, they are the menu because the Honourable Member who just finished speaking said, We are dismantling it . He can give me a point of order now if he did not say those words, Mr. Speaker, because they are in Hansard.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott SimmonsMr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. You know for a fact, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Simmons—if . . . and I apologise if it came across that way. That was not the intention of saying that we are going to dismantle the BTA. As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, you will notice that in my remarks I praised the BTA. I made it clear …
—if . . . and I apologise if it came across that way. That was not the intention of saying that we are going to dismantle the BTA. As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, you will notice that in my remarks I praised the BTA. I made it clear that they have absolutely done a phenomenal job, and this is not what this is all about.
[Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue on, Member. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Thank you for that correction, because he did admit he said it and he retracted i t. So, I appreciate that. But on one hand, if you want to praise som ebody and then get into vehement criticism …
Continue on, Member.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Thank you for that correction, because he did admit he said it and he retracted i t. So, I appreciate that. But on one hand, if you want to praise som ebody and then get into vehement criticism about them, Mr. Speaker —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —then you have to ba lance the praise with the criticism, Mr. Speaker . And the reason why, Mr. Speaker, I take great exception to the Honourable Member ’s comments, is because he said, y ou know, We are getting our soily mitts on them.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And he used words that bring back to my mind what the Honourable Member s in the PLP often try to bring up—the bogeyman. In your absence, they are controlling a situation. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But he gave no examples. …
That is right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And he used words that bring back to my mind what the Honourable Member s in the PLP often try to bring up—the bogeyman. In your absence, they are controlling a situation.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But he gave no examples. He gave no examples of how in your absence an ybody can control the situation there, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: He said from the shadows, Mr. Speaker . From the shadows, the Honourable Member said that people will control the situation. Well, how do they do that, Mr. Speaker ? Perhaps the Honourable Member , instead of just rolling out the 168 23 November …
Members, Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: He said from the shadows, Mr. Speaker . From the shadows, the Honourable Member said that people will control the situation. Well, how do they do that, Mr. Speaker ? Perhaps the Honourable Member , instead of just rolling out the 168 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly bogeyman, can actually give some facts on what they mean, rather than have that bogeyman out there. Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott SimmonsMr. Speaker, he is misleading — the Honourable Member is misleading the House. I made it crystal clear that it was not the bogeyman, nor the shadows, as it relates to the Berm uda Tourism Authority. I was saying and making it clear that throughout Bermuda there were those who …
Mr. Speaker, he is misleading — the Honourable Member is misleading the House. I made it crystal clear that it was not the bogeyman, nor the shadows, as it relates to the Berm uda Tourism Authority. I was saying and making it clear that throughout Bermuda there were those who hide in the shadows who try to govern from afar and they —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Members! Members! [Desk thumping]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Continue on, continue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member seems to have great support from his colleagues, which I would expect. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, you know, he rolls the bogeyman tactics out there without giving any information on how it could happen. And, you know …
Members!
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member seems to have great support from his colleagues, which I would expect.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, you know, he rolls the bogeyman tactics out there without giving any information on how it could happen. And, you know what, Mr. Speaker, if we are the past, then we certainly still are part of the present and the future if he believes we have that power. We do not have that power, Mr. Speaker . The BTA Act of 2013 is the Act, Mr. Speaker. It is what we follow, Mr. Speaker , and now the Government wants to dismantle it because they are not respected. Now, Mr. Speaker, respect was earned when they were elected. But, Mr. Speaker, respect must continue to be maintained and earned. And we all talk in this community. If somethin g happens to us, if we get questioned, if our character is besmirched in any way, we like to say, Mr. Speaker, But you are not r especting me . Well, Mr. Speaker, how do the BTA feel today with some of the comments they have just heard earlier in this debate ? On one hand we say we really support them and on the other hand he should have shaved before he came to a presentation. Come on, Mr. Speaker . That was said by Members . . . and it is N ovember. It is cancer awareness month. Many people are sup porting a c harity.
Mr. Scott SimmonsMr. Speaker, Point of order. Point of order, Mr. Speaker . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But we want to say you should shave.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Simmo nsAnd I apologise, Mr. Speaker, but the Honourable Member is misleading the House. What I was making quite clear was the fact that as far as the individual is concerned, I was simply saying that there is a certain presentation that we must give on a cont inuous basis, and …
And I apologise, Mr. Speaker, but the Honourable Member is misleading the House. What I was making quite clear was the fact that as far as the individual is concerned, I was simply saying that there is a certain presentation that we must give on a cont inuous basis, and it is the responsibility of those in authority to act, look, and be right. And that was what I was trying to get across.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAh, Ah — [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSorry Mr. Speaker, I did my best.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYou brought them to their knees. See that? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGo ahead. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I do not have that type of authority, Mr. S peaker . [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNot anymore. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, but I accept the Honourable Member ’s correction on that, because I do agree. And in that case —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberLook how you look. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 169 Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —it could be handled a lot differently.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou look good. Look at you! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, you know, I will stay away from taking that compliment too close because, after that, there is probably a kick in the butt coming too, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker, I accept …
You look good. Look at you! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, you know, I will stay away from taking that compliment too close because, after that, there is probably a kick in the butt coming too, Mr. Speaker .
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker, I accept what the Honourable Member has to say. But, you know what? The way, Mr. Speaker, if, if people in leadership positions feel that this is a valid point, the way to do it is to have a direct conversation with the people. And I hear the Honourable Member s say that we are not in charge. We get that. But we are in here having a debate. That is what democracy is about, Mr. Speaker .
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I am going to use my time in this debate to show you that there are two sides to this question. There are two sides to this amendment today. And there are important points in both sides of the House. And if this Government cannot get used to listening, to having to field questions, it is going to a long journey that is going to end very quickly for them, Mr. Speaker .
[Laughter]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because that is what democracy is about.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is about back and forth. And you know, Mr. Speaker, I believe that this “super majority” over here has gone to their head and people are already starting to get frustrated, Mr. Speaker .
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, I am sure I will draw many out to speak afterward. And that is good, because they were stuck to the chairs before.
[Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They were stuck to the chairs before, Mr. Speaker ! And if I do not draw them out to speak, Mr. Speaker, it means —
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —they agree with ever ything I did, Mr. Speaker, with everything I said.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But, Mr. Speaker, just yesterday I had two people stop me—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I was not out and about much yesterday —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —because I have family at home. And it was not family members, but two bluecollar w orkers for the chief interpolator over there from constituency 14. [Inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSpell it.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAha. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: One- four, 1- 4, 14, Mr. Speaker . Two blue- collar workers said, This super majority has gone too far. Stand up. Be firm, my brother . That is what they said to me. That is what they said to me.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberTo you? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And so we will do. My colleagues will do so because they are hearing the same thing. [Inau dible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker, back to the amendment.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because I have only got 30 minutes to speak here, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, your 30 minutes are ticking away. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, so we have had our colleagues [speak]. And the Shadow Minister who spoke to lead off this debate on our side, Mr. Speaker, I thought did a commendable job with the Leader of the Opposition in discussing …
Yes, your 30 minutes are ticking away. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, so we have had our colleagues [speak]. And the Shadow Minister who spoke to lead off this debate on our side, Mr. Speaker, I thought did a commendable job with the Leader of the Opposition in discussing tourism. But 170 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly we need to reflect back, Mr. Speaker, on how we got to this point. How we got to this point in 2018, how the OBA got to this point in 2013 with the BTA, Mr. Speaker . You will recall in 1997, 1998 in the change of Government at that time, there was a great deal of talk about tourism, because tourism was on its dow nward journey, Mr. Speaker . And there had been many political—
[Crosstalk]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —many political moves to improve tourism. But in 1998, when the PLP came into power, there was a 100- day rescue mission for tourism, Mr. Speaker . The 100- day rescue mission for tourism which went 500, 1,000, 1,500, 2,000 . . . it went for many, many days. There have been many, many Ministers of Tourism, Mr. Speaker, that have got ten involved and every single one of those Ministers of Tourism has had their political fantasies or political vision, Mr. Speaker . And every time a Minister would change, the vision or the fantasy would change, Mr. Speaker . So there was no continuity in t his situation. Mr. Speaker, you remember the so- called “platinum period” of tourism, which never materialised. And in 2012 . . . my honourable colleague, the Shadow spokesperson for this gave me a clipping the other day. In 2012, I made the comment, Mr. S peaker, that in 2010 the PLP Government talked about a National [Tourism] Plan. And 18 months later, in 2012, the N ational [Tourism] Plan still had not materialised. I was in another place, Mr. Speaker, but the plan had not m aterialised.
[Inaudible inter jections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, in 18 months —and my exact comments then were, Well, in 18 months you could make two babies but you cannot make a N ational Tourism Plan. And, so, the OBA —
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Point of order, point of order,
Mr. Sp eaker .
The SpeakerPoint of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The actual tourism plan was completed in 2012. As a matter of fact, the Tourism Authority adopted the plan for the Government.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes. Another Hon. Mem ber: Ah! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the former Minister and the current Junior Minister (how long may that last) is correct. I was speaking after the plan was produced. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I was speaking in May after the plan was …
Yes.
Another Hon. Mem ber: Ah! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the former Minister and the current Junior Minister (how long may that last) is correct. I was speaking after the plan was produced.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I was speaking in May after the plan was produced. I am setting the table that, in spite of the best efforts of politicians, we had been fighting an uphill battle to turn around tourism, Mr. Speaker . So, when the OBA became the Government in 2012 at Christmastime, Mr. Speaker , one of the first things we did, which was in our platform, was to cr eate the BTA. And then in 2013, Mr. Speaker —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —try . . . and, you know, the chirpers can continue. They can speak. So, in 2013, in September of 2013, on the 27 th when we had the debate here to create the BTA, it was a momentous occasion, Mr. Speaker . And I took the opportunity over the past few days to read through almost 200 pages of Hansard—because I knew I would get some kernels of w isdom out of those 200 pages of Hansard, Mr. Speaker . And what was interesting about it, when we look at it . . . and you know the Honourable Minister who asked for stats on social media, Mr. Speaker, should have never gone there. Because that Minister knows better than anybody in this place the power of social media, Mr. Speaker . That was the Minister from constituency 14.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is the Minister from constituency 14. He knows the power —he does not need stats.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerStay on topic. Stay on topic. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: He knows the power. So, Mr. Speaker, I am staying on topic. I answered a question about stats. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: He lived it. He learned it, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker, in reading the debate— …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 171 B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I love interpolation. It means you are hitting line and length and they cannot do anything but play a straight bat. In reading through the Hansard , Mr. Speaker, …
Members, Members. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 171 B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I love interpolation. It means you are hitting line and length and they cannot do anything but play a straight bat. In reading through the Hansard , Mr. Speaker, the key points that c ame out of that—a nd I will share that with them, and I am sure they can google it themselves and see it—t here was concern about hiring C orey Butterfield as a consultant. Wow! They [have] gone 360. He is back now as a consultant by the Government who complained, who were concerned about him being hired in 2013, Mr. Speaker. That was one item we spent a lot of time during that debate— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, now . . . now he has been rehired again, Mr. Speaker . Wow. [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: There was concern. There was concern, Mr. Speaker, about hiring Bermudians in the industry because the initial CEO was a nonBermudian who went through the process and came out on top and well -respected and did a good job. In spite of the berating and bantering from Members of the Opposition PLP at that time—inflating numbers, saying the salary was pushing six figures . . . I r emembered. It said six figures by the Honourable Member —and it was not. It was not. And the Honourable Member likes to float a number and then bac ktrack on it, but the initial float is out there.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWhat was the number? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I hope that is not like the estimates they give out to people. [ Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But they talk about the hiring of Bermudians. But now, Mr. Speaker, we have a Bermudian that is hired and he is not acceptable. Wow, Mr. Speaker. [ Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNobody said that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They talked about, Mr. Speaker, they talked about redundancy — Hon. Wayne Caines: Point o f order, point of order, point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: There . . . no one . . . the Member is misleading the House. At no time has any Member said that this CEO of the Bermuda Tourism Authority was not fit for purpose. That …
I will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: There . . . no one . . . the Member is misleading the House. At no time has any Member said that this CEO of the Bermuda Tourism Authority was not fit for purpose. That has not been said in this House this afternoon. No one has said that. That Member must withdraw that salacious comment!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMember, be mindful of the fact that . . . your terminology. If it does not fall with what was said already, you may be stretching your point a little. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . And I think everybody needs to bear that in mind. But, …
Member, be mindful of the fact that . . . your terminology. If it does not fall with what was said already, you may be stretching your point a little. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . And I think everybody needs to bear that in mind. But, Mr. Speaker, when you listen to the debate that has already transpired, it is clear that — [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —there are individuals in here who— [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —have some concerns about him, Mr. Speaker . And, so, Mr. Speaker, I know — POINT O F ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: Point of order, Mr. Speaker . He needs to withdraw the comment. He is misleading the House. That was not said.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Hon. Wayne Caines: It is not factual. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I have no intention to mislead the House. Now, Mr. Speaker, another big point during that debate was the conversation around redundancy. The Opposition PLP at that time spent a great deal of time talking …
Thank you. Hon. Wayne Caines: It is not factual. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I have no intention to mislead the House. Now, Mr. Speaker, another big point during that debate was the conversation around redundancy. The Opposition PLP at that time spent a great deal of time talking about redundancy, and that Bermudians were going to be just pushed out and not have oppor-tunity. Well, Mr. Speaker, the truth. History has shown that other than maybe one or two people who left, most of those people are still working within that industry, and some have gone on to other depar tments. So, we spent a great deal of time during that debate, which I think is acceptable, talking about the bogeyman of redundancy, when, clearly, the former Minister, Minister Crockwell (God rest his soul), ex-plained — 172 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjection]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I did use his name.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Very touchy over there today, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The issue of redundancy was not even a matter, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker, during that debate —and I could stand to be corrected if anybody has researched the Hansard— but there were very few amendments which were put forward. One of the …
Members, Members. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The issue of redundancy was not even a matter, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker, during that debate —and I could stand to be corrected if anybody has researched the Hansard— but there were very few amendments which were put forward. One of the amendments which was put forward by the loyal Opposition at the time was to get rid of a $5 fee. But the changes that they talk about today, Mr. Speaker, were not even covered to any extent during the debate. So, Mr. Speaker —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe are here now. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They are here now. We get that. I can read. I can hear.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe are here now. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Seen it all. But at that time, the market was not laid, Mr. Speaker . So, what has changed? So, what has changed, Mr. Speaker ? Now, Mr. Speaker, the bogeyman was rolled out during that debate because if you look at …
We are here now.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Seen it all. But at that time, the market was not laid, Mr. Speaker . So, what has changed? So, what has changed, Mr. Speaker ? Now, Mr. Speaker, the bogeyman was rolled out during that debate because if you look at the 2Hansard, on page 2195, Mr. Speaker, the current Minister said at that time, “The Bermuda Tourism A uthority —they are going to struggle.” Those are his words. Reflect the Hansard. The Bermuda Tourism Authority is going to struggle.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWhat was the date? What was the date? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And, you know, it was when we had . . . the 27th of September 2013. I have already been through that. You can have a copy of the Hansard. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: He said …
What was the date? What was the date? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And, you know, it was when we had . . . the 27th of September 2013. I have already been through that. You can have a copy of the Hansard.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: He said the BTA will struggle. The BTA will struggle. And then he went on to talk about conflicts of interest. And everything the Honourable Member talked about proved to be false. Proved to be false, Mr. Speaker .
2 Official Hansard Report , 27 September 2013 Now, Mr. Speaker, I will be real. When they first set up, like any new business, as my honourable colleague, MP Scott, has said, the Shadow spokesman for this, when it is new you are going to have to find your line and length, Mr. Speaker . The first couple of years they were putting the team together. They were building the team. They were working the plan that was already in place. They were building a new plan. They were turning around the doldrums that we faced. But in two short years, in 2016/17, the numbers turned around drastic ally. We have had almost probably a couple of dozens of quarters of reporting where air arrivals have gone up. Tourism numbers in Bermuda have gone up. The latest just came out a couple of weeks ago, Mr. Speaker .
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Get your fact right!
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And you know the Ho nourable Member — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order. POINT OF ORDE R [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member just misled the House. He said we have …
Members, Members.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And you know the Ho nourable Member —
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order.
POINT OF ORDE R [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member just misled the House. He said we have had a couple a dozen quarters of successful increase in numbers. Come on, get your numbers right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How many is a bit, Honourabl e Minister? How many is a bit?
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member obviously cannot count too good. Instead of saying 12 quarters . . . obviously, he does not know his four times table, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue on. Keep your facts i n line. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker, that was intentional, because the Honourable Member is loose with his numbers all the time— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And when I asked him what the numbers were, he could not pr ovide …
Continue on. Keep your facts i n line. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker, that was intentional, because the Honourable Member is loose with his numbers all the time—
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And when I asked him what the numbers were, he could not pr ovide them. Just like this morning when I asked the question about airline incentives. He said check the tourism plan. It is Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 173
Bermuda House of Assembly not in the plan! So, he just fell back on it. Here is a Minister who is always — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley : And now the Honourable Member is going on a plantation question. We will have it all out here today. And you know what, Mr. Speaker, I love it.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Keep it, keep it coming this way. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am keeping it coming to you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerKeep it coming this way. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But when they talk, I listen. And I will speak, Mr. Speaker . There is no doubt about it.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerKeep it coming this way. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, here we have a Government where the BTA has turned things around. They are riding in the right direction. They are feeling the tailwind. Bermuda is feeling the tailwind. People are positive about Bermuda. People are filling our hotels. People …
Keep it coming this way.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, here we have a Government where the BTA has turned things around. They are riding in the right direction. They are feeling the tailwind. Bermuda is feeling the tailwind. People are positive about Bermuda. People are filling our hotels. People are coming to Bermuda for new exper iences. People are coming for Airbnb. And this Government wants to change something that is working. Mr. Speaker —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the people of Bermuda elected a Government to serve. But the peopl e of Bermuda also clearly understand that at times if politicians do not get out of the way, they can mess up something that is working, Mr. Speaker .
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker . And while the chirping continues, I know I am hitting that length, Mr. Speaker .
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Minister now is in charge. And he is on record saying that the BTA will struggle. Mr. Speaker, well, they will struggle with t hese amendments here today.
Some Hon. Member s: How? How?
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They will struggle with these amendments here today. And the Honourable Minister . . . we will get into this in Committee, Mr. Speaker —
Mr. Scott SimmonsPoint of order, Mr. Speaker . Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott SimmonsI will be brief. The Honourable Member is stating that the other Honourable Member stated that the BTA would struggle. It would cause a problem with it if you removed the Government grants to that particular department. It would struggle, and it would not exist, as far as I am …
I will be brief. The Honourable Member is stating that the other Honourable Member stated that the BTA would struggle. It would cause a problem with it if you removed the Government grants to that particular department. It would struggle, and it would not exist, as far as I am concerned. So, what he is saying is, as far as that Member is concerned, it would struggle— and it has struggled, and it continues to struggle.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That was a pretty weak point of order, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSays who? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: With the change here t oday, we will see the BTA struggle, and we will see Bermuda tourism struggle, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Minister said in his very short brief, and I quote the words and the Minister can correct …
Says who?
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: With the change here t oday, we will see the BTA struggle, and we will see Bermuda tourism struggle, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Minister said in his very short brief, and I quote the words and the Minister can correct me if I wrote them down wrong, that the Bill does not allow the Minister to hire or fire, Mr. Speaker . The Bill does not allow the Mini ster to hire or fire. But, Mr. Speaker, it clearly says that the Minister should consult . . . and I will not get into the clause because we will get t o that. The Minister should consult, and the board needs to give effect to any directions. What does that mean? That is like, Mr. Speaker, you invite me out to lunch and you say, Dunkley, I do not like your approach in the House of Assembly. You need to do certain things or, you know, we will have to have a chat again. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is your authority. The same thing could happen to the BTA and the Minister. So, yes, the Minister is not going to hire and fire people— 174 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —but he can have . . . he can go in and sit down with the board, and the board better follow that direction, Mr. S peaker . And, so, Mr. Speaker, it is very duplicitous that the Minister would have a brief like that, because there is no doubt in my view that the BTA is on the menu. And we are concerned on this side, right down [to] every man and woman, starting with the leader, that this could create challenges with tourism going forward. Now, Mr. Speaker, I look forward to hearing the justification for these clauses when we get into Committee. But, clearly, the BTA took some flak in the beginning when it was set up. I t took some flak in the first couple of years because we all want results right away. But the BTA has delivered over the past couple of years. And these changes, while the Government might say on paper they are small, the real truth is that the Government wants to have the control, and politicians need to understand when they should get involved and when they should pull back. These changes do not send the right message to the industry. These changes are going to lead to negative views going forward, and t hese changes will allow the BTA to be hamstrung in trying to fulfil their mandate of moving tourism forward. And, Mr. Speaker, I hope the Government takes on board my criticisms in this, and my colleagues as well, because we do not sit here just to pull back the Government and the agenda that they have, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, tourism is part of us. Tourism is part of every Bermudian, and has been for many, many years. And, now, over the past two or three years, we are starting to see that flame flicker again. We have started to see hotel development here. We have started to see people come to the Island. We are seeing Bermuda talked about in more places than you could ever imagine. And people want to come here for vacations. But, if you tinker with somet hing that is not broken, if you tinker with something just because you want respect and you believe you have earned it and you are not getting it, Mr. Speaker, then you better be ready for any consequence you get —good or bad, Mr. Speaker . Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 20. Honourable Member , you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonThank you, Mr. Speaker . So, I just want to get up for a few minutes and address what I believe to be the elephant in the room. There are a number of us, including myself, who have spent a good deal of, especially their younger years, studying and having …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker . So, I just want to get up for a few minutes and address what I believe to be the elephant in the room. There are a number of us, including myself, who have spent a good deal of, especially their younger years, studying and having almost a passion for what we believed we could do to support and pr omote Bermuda to the rest of the world and generate tourism numbers. And there are a slew of people out there, whether they have gotten formal training in tourism, marketing, advertising, promotion, who want to come back to Bermuda and give it their all because everybody has got an idea of how Bermuda should succeed in the tourism industry. And it goes all the way across the board. I certainly have conversations with everybody, from the taxi industry, people in the hotel industry. And ev erybody has got an idea about how the tourism product should be sold to the rest of the world. Well, probably one of the most, you know, rudest awakenings for me, Mr. Speaker, was being a young professional and being qualified to go to the Department of Tourism back in the day and wanting to have a job because I felt that I had a great idea to promote the Island. And, it took some time and some learning to realise that in order to run the formula necessary, the strategy, to execute on a strategy necessary to have a successful tourism product here in Bermuda, does not necessarily mean that my idea or a single idea is the one that is going to work. There is a science to it, Mr. Speaker, and it takes a number of people working as a team in order to figure t hat science out. Now, yes, I remember . . . and I feel as though I have stood up here in the House of Assembly and said this before. We have had so many Ministers over the years who have come out, stood as Minister of Tourism and come up with all kinds of ideas and, to be honest with you, Mr. Speaker, the one that sticks in my mind is the Tourism Mini ster going to the baseball game to sing, I mean, in order to promote a beautiful product for Bermuda. I mean, hey, great idea in theory. Great idea in the ory—
[Crosstalk]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson—but, hey, I do not believe that we got a single person coming to Bermuda because of it. And, my point is that it just . . . we can feel as though everything that we have got in our hearts is going to work and if all we can …
—but, hey, I do not believe that we got a single person coming to Bermuda because of it. And, my point is that it just . . . we can feel as though everything that we have got in our hearts is going to work and if all we can do is execute on it, then the people would just come flooding to this I sland. But that is not the case. And I get it. I get the fact that, you know, a whole bunch of people would like to sit on the Tourism Board and be a participant in it. But we have seen from past governments who have pulled together groups of people in an effort to, you know, kind of, I believe manifest or realise what they believe is going to be the best promotion for the Island and that if we could just do this, then we are going to bring these people here. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 175
Bermuda House of Assembly Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, that has not been the case. And we have, you know, watched. We have watched agencies come here. You know, we had the whole GlobalHue environment where we were going to bring these folks in and they w ere going to speak to a whole different target market and they were going to bring all these people here. And all we did was spend a lot of money, of taxpayers’ good earned dollars, and had no product to provide. We had no success from the situation, or if we did, it was minimal, at that. So, I get it. We would love very much to bring in people that we are familiar with, or people who we feel are going to represent and get our ideas on the table. And if we could just shuffle that around and have a little i nfluence that, you know, we are going to get the job done. And, you know, I want to believe in that, Mr. Speaker . And maybe—maybe —one day there will be a Minister out there that might be able to say that they can identify somebody who is going to be some m onumental change to a tourism team and, you know, sort of change or alter the effects and the productivity of the team. But, you know what? Why are we absolutely messing with something that is not broken? And right now, that is . . . we are not dealing wi th a broken si tuation. We have a successful strategy that is being implemented right now and it is working for the audiences that want to come to Bermuda. And, you know, sure, we would like to change it. We feel as though, you know, if we could get, you know, the represent ation that we would like to have and get them on the board that we can make a pivot and we are going to, you know, change the whole dynamic of things. But we also have to realise that no matter how much we may feel that we want to be at the table to do the job, we have to also understand the fact that the science of tourism is based on a formula that may not have anything to do with what we want. It has to do with what the customer wants. And we have to realise that whatever the demographic, whatever the equation is that resonates with the people who are going to come here and spend those dollars —which is the ultimate goal. It is not necessar ily the people that in our heart we want to invite here or the way in which we want to promote the I sland. Sometimes we just have to sit back, and we have to allow that customer experience and that customer journey to be the priority. And putting people in positions, or trying to shuffle something for the sake of shuffling it, is not always going to be the thing that is going to provide us with the success that we need to bring in that inves tment that is required to keep this country economically stable. So, I just plead with the Government that if we are going to pass this legislation today that we thi nk carefully. And I get it. I get it. You know, I get the idea, if we can just reshuffle the board, if we could just get our ideas on the table . . . but if we can show some sign of restraint and discipline . . . take a moment, learn the product, spend som e time with the team, really understand what the formula and what the real strategy is. Then let us get a full understanding of that. And I hope that this new Minister of Tourism allows the Bermuda Tourism Authority to, to really teach him—
[Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberTeach him?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson—give him the information — yes! You know what? “Teach” him. Because if we are going to sit up here and ask what is his résumé in tourism — [Laughter]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson—what is his résumé in tourism? What is his qualification to understand marketing? What is it? [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerJust talk to me. Talk to me. Talk to me. Talk to me.
Ms. Susan E. JacksonMr. Speaker, I say that if he takes the time to invest and understand what the strategy is, what is going on at the Bermuda Tourism Authority before he makes any rash decisions to change the formula and the dynamic that is there just for the sake of changing it, …
Mr. Speaker, I say that if he takes the time to invest and understand what the strategy is, what is going on at the Bermuda Tourism Authority before he makes any rash decisions to change the formula and the dynamic that is there just for the sake of changing it, [which] would be a real mistake. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I am going to make a couple of observations in my contribution to this debate. And I …
Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I am going to make a couple of observations in my contribution to this debate. And I just want to pick up on the last comment that my honourable colleague just made where she got some kind of interpolation basically indicating that the present Minister has an extremely successful company. And let me j ust point out that you can have a billion dollar corporation selling widgets, but it does not necessarily say that you know what it takes to reach a market that is the underpinning of our economy, i.e., tourism. So, I just wanted to point that out. Now, t he Honourable Member from constit uency 32 in his comments, which I find to be extremely 176 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly offensive, made the comment, We recognise the OBA for who and what they are.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat’s right. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon –Pamplin: Now, Mr. Speaker, let me just say it was not the OBA who hired Glo balHue at an incredible cost to the public purse with virtually zero results coming out of it — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAren’t we surprised! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am not going to let that Honourable Member —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —mislead the House in such a horrible, horrible way. And she knows it, b ecause Mr. Speaker, when she says — The S peaker: The Honourable Member . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member …
Point of order.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —mislead the House in such a horrible, horrible way. And she knows it, b ecause Mr. Speaker, when she says —
The S peaker: The Honourable Member . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member says “for near zero results.” You know, when we say the future and the past, as it was said in here today —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order should be short. Hon. Zane J. S. De Sil va: But my point of order, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerIt should be short and brief. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My point of order is this, GlobalHue produced, at the time in 2007, the absolute record numbers of air arrivals in our history. So, let us just put that marker down. And when she says “zero results” . …
It should be short and brief. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My point of order is this, GlobalHue produced, at the time in 2007, the absolute record numbers of air arrivals in our history. So, let us just put that marker down. And when she says “zero results” . . . you talk about intentionally misleading this House, Mr. Speaker ? Come on.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHear, hear!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Member. Continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I said near —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Near zero results, Mr. Speaker , and I stand by it —compared to what they were paid to do the job that they did. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, you will recall that it was not the OBA Government …
Continue Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Near zero results, Mr. Speaker , and I stand by it —compared to what they were paid to do the job that they did. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, you will recall that it was not the OBA Government that bypassed the tourism tender when it came to GlobalHue. Why? Because there was a situation of —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —ministerial inte rference.
[Laughter]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: It was not the OBA who hired Ambling at $400,000, to the chagrin of their then Finance Minister, who said she did not support the hiring of Ambling because she had not ap-proved it from a financial perspective. But that was as a result of ministerial interference. It was not the OBA Government, Mr. Speaker, who chose to turn over Coco Reef under terms of reference that had nothing to do with the initial contract that had been put out. They ended up getting a sweetheart deal at Coco Reef, Mr. Speaker, which ultimately became the subject of the Auditor General because she (or whomever it was at the time) had tremendous disquiet as to the terms and conditions because the heads of terms that were given had not hing to do with what had been tendered. So, it is under that backdrop, Mr. Speaker, and against that background of what history existed that we understood that there were challenges then and we do not want to see mistakes being repeated. That was the context in which we showed that we had concerns over the present legislation. Mr. Speaker, you may also recall that the . . . way back in the late 1990s, I would want to say, when I first came to this Honourable House, we had a Member here who was a hotelier, who was a Member of Parliament, who spoke about having a Tourism A uthority in order to remove the ministerial and parli amentary influence from the tourism industry. And it was his contention at that point in time that suggested that we should give over to experts in the field, people who knew what they were doing, in order to create a success and in order to be able to rebuild what had then become a failing industry for us as a country, Mr. Speaker . Then we were, at that point in time, virtually 100 per cent reliant on international business. And tourism had waned to the extent of almost extinction. And that was dangerous because we have, Mr. Speaker, many, many, many blue -collar workers who would never be able to get employment in the intern aOfficial Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 177
Bermuda House of Assembly tional field at their present level s of . . . of training who would require significant investment in further educ ation of a completely different kind in order for them to be able to make a living. But tourism was something, Mr. Speaker, that helped to bolster our industry and to make sure that we kept bread on the tables of some of our employees, some of our citizens, who otherwise would not be able to fit into that international company arena. And I do recall at the time, Mr. Speaker, that the Honourable Member from constituency 2, as he led the party with which I was affiliated at that time, spoke passionately about the necessity to have a Tourism Authority because, as they said, we got to fish where the fish are. I know Members sitting Opposite who were here at that point in time will remember that admonition to the then Government, and they r emember it very clearly. Fish where the fish are. We remember how the interference of the Ministers at the time dismantled some of the tourism offices in various parts of the United States, and that GlobalHue as a company effectively set out —and it is in the public domain—to destroy the career of one of the long- time members of the Tourism Department who had worked assiduously to try to improve our lot when it came to tourism. So, Mr. Speaker, when the Honourable Members start to talk about they know who we are, or they know who the OBA is, or they know who we are and for who and for what we are . . . yes, Mr. Speaker . One thing we are is consistent because it was determined that tourism was not sur viving in the manner in which it was being handled. Hence, the Tourism A uthority was formed. I do remember the [late] Honourable Shawn Crockwell when he stood to establish the legislation and to bring to this Honourable House the legislation surrounding the Tourism Authority the pushback that he got, the criticism that he got, the ridicule that he got in setting it up. And, then, he swallowed it, Mr. Speaker. We swallowed it as a Government. We then made it a point that to the extent that it was efficacious to do that it would be important to allow the Tourism Author-ity to get on with their job in the context for which they were established. Now, the Government has now come in and they may see things differently. I understand that they might see things differently, Mr. Speaker . But it would be foolhardy when I sit and I hear the Honourable Member s say that, Those OBA people, they are accustomed to— what did he say?—tell you what to do by governing from over here because you set something up to suit your purposes. Mr. Speaker, let me tell you about governing from over here. Did we not hear when we had this Government take- over just very recently, you know a year plus, a year and a half ago, did we not hear somebody come and say, I want money because the legislation from a previous Government deprived me of some of my revenue —we heard the numbers this morning—deprived me of some of my revenue, ther efore you have to give me some back . That is not somebody who sat in this Honourable House. That is somebody whos e determination and representations were made that the Government that acquiesced to pay out the monies that we saw in the response that we had this morning to the Parliamentary Questions that I asked of the Minister.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order, yes? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottYes, the Honourable Member is misleading the House, because she is making it . . . the Honourable Member is making it seem as though there is only one i ndividual that got reimbursed for the faulty legislation that the OBA passed, when it was actually multiple organisations which included …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott—which was impacted. And that impact al so hurt the health insurance costs of the country which were increased for everybody because they did not listen to their technical officers and they were governing from afar.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, the Hono urable Member has no clue. You know, he who knows not and knows not that he knows not, needs to be avoided. That is all I can say about that Honour able Member because he does not know of …
Thank you.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, the Hono urable Member has no clue. You know, he who knows not and knows not that he knows not, needs to be avoided. That is all I can say about that Honour able Member because he does not know of what he speaks. Because let me say, first of all, the Hospitals Board did not ask for money in terms of regularising the diagnostic —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerDo not, do not take on that debate. Keep the debate coming this way. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —the diagnostic imaging reimbursement.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerStay on point. Stay on point. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So, let me just point that out. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottPoint of order, Mr. Speaker . 178 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Honourable Member is misleading the House because the Minister had it included in her Statement this morning that the hospital was one of those that was reimbursed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Okay. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerKeep the debate flowing this way. Do not get side tracked on what your topic was. Hon. Patri cia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I just want to make one more comment.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerDo not get side tracked. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: There is no point in harping on this particular issue. But let me just say that, contrary to what the Honour able Member said, if he had listened to what my comment was, I said that the Hospitals Board did …
Do not get side tracked. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: There is no point in harping on this particular issue. But let me just say that, contrary to what the Honour able Member said, if he had listened to what my comment was, I said that the Hospitals Board did not ask for relief from the money that resulted from the lesser reimbursement on DI that resulted from the legislation. That is all I said. That is all I said. I said they did not ask for it. I did not say they did not get it. I said they did not ask for it.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: There is a distinct difference because governing from afar and having far reaching to the point, Mr. Speaker, that the now, Mr. Acting Speaker —
[Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Acting Speaker, in the Chair] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —and thank you, you have now taken the Chair, the Acting Speaker, who was the Member to whom I referred from const ituency 2—the Honourable Member —who spoke passionately about the Tourism Authority and the benefits that it would have for the development of tourism in this country. So, when I hear the kinds of comments co ming from the Honourable Member from [constitue ncy] 32, not only is he offensive, he is wrong. And, you know, I have no problem, Mr. Acting Speaker, in being the person he says, I know who you are and what you are, because who I am is honest. And who I am is consistent. And what I am is someone who is always going to look out, not for protecting governmental or ministerial interference, but somebody who is going to look out for the bigger picture, for the better good of this country. That is who I am, and that is who I am proud to be. That is who I am absolutely proud to be. So, let me just say that some of the results that have come out from the Tourism Authority, in its present terms . . . it has produced positive results. We can go back to some of the headlines. Go back to 2012, which at the time [read], you know, Bermuda tourism is at an all -time low. Hotels are on the brink. We were basically going through an environment in which the disastrous numbers were impacting our ability to survive as a country. Otherwise, you would not have had a Premier who bemoaned the fact that there was a $400,000, practically a gift, to Ambling for which she could not justify and was not prepared to accept the fact that it was a good decision. So, when we look at how the Tourism Author ity has handled itself, has been a successful entity, whether the CEO shaved or did not shave that day . . . I do not think that whether he did not shave . . . not one tourist said, I am not getting off the plane (having arrived in Bermuda) because this guy over there who operates in that environment did not shave. You know, we can look for whatever minutia we choose to. We can be as petty as we want, when we want to overlook that there is a bigger and a larger picture that has benefitted Bermuda. What we were suggesting and what we had concern about in mentioning that the entity as the A uthority seemed to be operating well in its present co ntext, we are not by any means trying to detract from the Minister’s responsibility to do what he has to do, what he believes to be appropriate. We are not trying to detract from that. We are trying to say that if we have experience that shows that something is wor king, we just want to put our side of the argument out for the Minister’s consideration. He can ignore it — which he will. And that is fine. You know, they do not hear because they do not care, and we understand that. I get that.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I get that. I get that. You know, we heard earlier that, you know, the cruise ships —
[Inaudible interject ions] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I know, I know, and you love me. I know —
[Laughter]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The cruise ships . . . that there was a time when cruise ship passengers were looked at as the forgotten stepchildren of the tourism industry. And the reason for that at the time was the recognition that an on- land [air -arrival] visitor spent far more money on- Island and contributed far more to the economy than did a cruise ship visitor. And the reason we wanted to focus on that and to enhance that concept was for the very reason that I mentioned earlier. That our economy, especially for Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 179
Bermuda House of Assembly our blue- collar workers and our treasured hotel wor kers, depends on, not people coming off the cruise ship, but our economy if we have to be realist ic about it and we have to recognise and support some of the decisions that were made by the Tourism Authority to continue to go after sustained cruise ship visitors is because you have to have something that is going to help to bolster you. So, in the absence of our land visitors in the hotels, we have to have something that is coming into the economy so that even if the people who work in the hotels are unable to find employment, there is at least something in the funds that could go to . . . if they re quire some of the retraining, that money is there. If they, heaven forbid, require financial assi stance, that there is money there. So, the benefit of cruise visitors has its place. What we were just trying to suggest is that when the Minister wants to upset the balance of what exists, then I think it is important that we look at what could be the unintended consequences. So, we do not want to see something which is now successful being diminished as a result of a decision that is made that could perhaps c ome out differently if a different dec ision is made. If the Minister elected . . . according to the legislation, the Minister will be appointing the Deputy —the Deputy Chairman of the Board —and he will consult with the Chairman in order to make that recommendation . . . sorry, in order to make that appointment, he will consult with the Chairman. We understand that he wants to do that. But just imagine, Mr. Acting Speaker, if the Minister continued to have a hands -off approach, not to say that the Tourism Authority needs to operate in a wild Wild West environment, because, remember, one of the advents at the time that the Tourism Authority first came into being, the idea was that they would ultimately become self -sufficient. One of the things that happened, y ou will recall very recently, was the imposition of the 4.5 per cent tax on Airbnb. And I do declare an interest, because I do have an Airbnb apartment. But — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: And a fine one it is. There is no question . . . second to none. But let me just say, Mr. Acting Speaker, that those kinds of funds coming into the Authority, which would assist them in being able to operate autonomously but still being responsible to the Government, for the grant that they are getting from the Gover nment, but it can work in the manner in which it works. My honourable colleague from constituency 22 ind icated the points in the existing legislation in which the Minister already has oversight. So, when it looks as though there is additional unnecessary oversight being brought to bear, it just begs a question that the system seemed to be wor k-ing. The results that have been envisaged seem to be manifesting themselves, and we basically are on the right track to getting to where we need to be. And if we are, is there really a reason for taking us off track? You know, we look for new ideas. We look for energetic Ministers. We look for engagement in the House of Assembly. We look for cooperation. And because there is a criticism, it does not necessarily say that we are negative. It is just that there could be a different point of view that may be considered in order to be able to reach the ultimate optimum end to which we are attempting to strive. So, when I hear things coming from the Honourable Member from [constituency] 32 such as, we know who and what they are, Mr. Acting Speaker, I can tell you, I would hate to start to talk about who and what some people are, because that would not positively contribute to effective discourse in the country. It would not contri bute to it effectively. Hence, I am not going to go down that path other than to say that I am offended by the Honour able Member ’s comments, because I think he was completely off base. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Patric ia J. Gordon -Pamplin: He was complet ely off base. I understood very fully. I understood fully, understood fully. Mr. . . . you know, I just made a statement that I am not going to go down that path. And, therefore, I am going to cross out that comment that I was going to make because it is completely . . . it would be ina ppropriate—
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —and it would be, it would be, it would be contraindicative of what I have just finished saying. But let me just m ake one final comment, that the Honourable Member from [constituency] 32 did mention—and he has subsequently corrected —so, maybe we can get the Minister to correct when the Honourable Member spoke of . . . now that they are in power and they do things the way they do it, that e ffectively it is their way of dismantling something that we feel aggrieved by . . . that they are dismantling it. Now the Honourable Member said it when he made his comments. He subsequently said he did not intend to say that it was g oing to be dismantled.
[Inaudible interjections]
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerHe did correct that. He did correct that. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: He said that he did not intend to say it. But I would like to hear from the Minister whether it is the intent ion . . . I have no 180 23 November 2018 Official Hansard …
He did correct that. He did correct that.
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Bermuda House of Assembly doubt that the Minister will speak. But I have no . . . you know, I just want to hear from the Minister, b ecause we get different messages. We are getting different messages, and I think what is important is that there is a consistent me ssage, not so much for Members of Parliament on this side of the aisle, because technically those of us who sit here do not necessarily have to rely on a parli amentary pay to get from week to week or to be able to eat. Some might. We do not. We do not. S o, we do not have to make those levels of criticism because of any personal observation. It is how are the choices that we are making and the steps that we are taking likely to impact the majority of our citizens whose i nterests (as we pray every Friday morning) have been committed to our charge. That is our responsibility, Mr. Acting Speaker. We want to ensure that when we walk through these hallowed halls every Friday morning that the things that we do, that we debate and that we pass here, (a) is not just good legislation, but (b) is good legisl ation that is being done and that it will all go well for the community at large. That is our responsibility. The democratic process requires that we contribute not just to the debates, but that if there is an idea that we wish to share, that it is our obligation so to do, Mr. Acting Speaker, so that the ultimate end is something that will benefit Bermuda at large. Thank you very much, Mr. Acting Speaker.
The Acting SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 7. Mr. Richards, you have the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. You know there is a saying that has been floating around Parliament for years, and it is very a pplicable today, …
Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 7. Mr. Richards, you have the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. You know there is a saying that has been floating around Parliament for years, and it is very a pplicable today, once again. The saying is, The Oppos ition has its say, and the Government has its way. And that is going to happen today. There is no doubt about it. There is also another saying, a bit of a cliché, but, you know, clichés, a lot of them are true. That is what a cliché is. And this cliché is, “If you do not know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.” If you do not know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.
[Inaudible interjections] Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: So, why do I say th at, Mr. Acting Speaker? You know, tourism has always been important to the Island after, you know, World War II when the Americans came down and they built the airport and they built the runway. And then Americans on the East Coast of the United States fi gured out that there was a little Island and a little gem out in the middle of the Atlantic that they could travel to in just a couple of hours, and our tourism product began in earnest. Then, through the 1940s, the 1950s, 1960s, even the 1970s, our touri sm product was booming. I know some of us in here are old enough to remember when we would have hundreds of tourists here for college weeks.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: And then, we would have many, many tourists stay in Bermudian homes. You know, we kind of . . . Bermuda has kind of pi oneered that Airbnb concept. My grandmother had tourists staying in her cottage on Pomander Road when I was a …
Yes.
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: And then, we would have many, many tourists stay in Bermudian homes. You know, we kind of . . . Bermuda has kind of pi oneered that Airbnb concept. My grandmother had tourists staying in her cottage on Pomander Road when I was a child. So, things have gone full circle. This Airbnb is . . . I would like to think that i t is som ething that Bermuda has pioneered. Now, it just has a traditional name. But, then we get up into the 1980s and then we get into the 1990s, and other jurisdictions basically looked at Bermuda and said, Let’s do what Bermuda is doing. They are doing something right . Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. And then tourists figured out, Hey, we have other destinations that we can travel to that are maybe a little cheaper than Bermuda. Maybe the weather is a little warmer in November or December than Bermuda. Maybe there are newer hotels in these jurisdictions other than Bermuda. So, our product became a bit stale and our tourism numbers started to drop off. And then we hit a period that I call the “do ldrums” of tourism, where we struggled as a tourism destination. As a result of that struggle, and tourism was still part of the Government, it was a Ministry, it would have Minister after Minister after Minister get-ting into that seat, sometimes for a few months, som etimes for a few years. And when th e Minister would leave, the vision would change. There was no continu-ity. There was no cohesive vision of where Bermuda should be as a tourist destination. And this went on for years and years and years and we watched our tourism numbers go down. The traditional approach to tourism was clearly failing. So, when the OBA became the Government in 2012, we had made it known that we were going to take tourism out of Government and set up an ind ependent Tourism Authority. And I must say, Mr. Speaker, when this f irst happened I was not initially sold on the idea. I thought it was risky. I thought there was a lot of money being thrown at the Tourism A uthority and I just prayed that they would be successful. And they were successful. And I was pleased with that. So metimes you just have to roll the dice. Sometimes you just have to do something different. Now, the Member for constituency 32, during his remarks . . . and if I heard correctly, he said that the BTA was set up for obvious reasons. But then he Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 181
Bermuda House of Assembly kind of at tached these nefarious . . . I was trying to follow his train of thought, but I had a little difficulty. It sounded like it was kind of Machiavellian why the Tourism Authority was set up so that we would have control when we were no longer Government, or something or the other. But in a way, the Member was correct. The BTA was set up for obvious reasons. It was set up because what we were doing was not working. The traditional approach to tourism was failing. You cannot run tourism, which is a business . . . whether we like it or not, it is a business. It is not like other government departments where you have a board and the board advises a department and they are not making money because they are a government department. Tourism is different. Tourism exis ts to make money for the Government, for average Bermudians, for the people who are brave enough to invest in Bermuda to build hotels. It is a business and it has to be run as a bus iness. So, the Tourism Authority was set up for the obvious reason of havi ng our tourism product run like a business, and to take it out of the hands of Ministers of Tourism who had no expertise in tourism. It is okay to go to New York and sing on the pitch of a baseball game. That is all well and good. But that is not going to bring tourists to Bermuda.
[Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: So, the Tourism Author ity was set up. Mr. Bill Hanbury was hired. He had a proven track record of growing tourism. And, unfortunately, I sat in this place, and for the first couple of years I watched the CEO of the BTA be attacked relentlessly because of his pay package, because some on that side did not think that the Tourism Authority should have been set up in the first place, that it should ha ve remained a government department. And, it is very ironic to me, Mr. Speaker , that the current Tourism Minister, MP De Silva, was leading the charge in attacking the BTA and the CEO of the BTA.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is true. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: And it went on for years. It is in the Hansard. It is in the public domain, and in the daily. He attacked the BTA incessantly. However— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, point of order, Mr. Speaker . …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable [Member] is misleading the House. I may have gone after Mr. Hanbury, but I did not continuously go after the BTA. In fact, I prai sed them on many occasions. It …
I will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable [Member] is misleading the House. I may have gone after Mr. Hanbury, but I did not continuously go after the BTA. In fact, I prai sed them on many occasions. It was Mr. Hanbury . . . and we all know why. And I will talk about that in detail later, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Continue, Mr. Richards. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is on the public record. The Member attacked the BTA. He attacked the CEO. And in spite of that . . . the BTA thrived in spite of the constant barrage of cri …
Thank you, Honourable Member. Continue, Mr. Richards.
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is on the public record. The Member attacked the BTA. He attacked the CEO. And in spite of that . . . the BTA thrived in spite of the constant barrage of cri ticism from the then Opposition, now the current Government, and, in particular, the Member from constit uency 29. For the first time in decades, finally, our tourism product is moving in the right direction.
[Inaudible interjections] Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I have watched the employees of the Bermuda Tourism Authority — [Inaudible interjectio ns]
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —and their first CEO, Bill Hanbury —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —and the current CEO, Mr. Kevin Dallas, do amazing things that I did not think that they were going to be able to do with our touris m product. They have modernised our tourism product. They have made Bermuda “hip” again. They have made …
Members.
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —and the current CEO, Mr. Kevin Dallas, do amazing things that I did not think that they were going to be able to do with our touris m product. They have modernised our tourism product. They have made Bermuda “hip” again. They have made Bermuda a place where people that I want to hang out with come to visit. We saw it this summer. We had so many social media influencers coming in and out of Bermuda all summer. I could not even keep up.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You could. I saw you out there. You done a good job of trying.
[Laughter ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerDo not get taken off track, now. Just speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: He almost took me off my—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI saw you almost slip into that. 182 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: He almost took me off my thing, Mr. Speaker . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sorry, Sylvan. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: No problem. Yeah, I …
I saw you almost slip into that.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: He almost took me off my thing, Mr. Speaker .
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sorry, Sylvan. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: No problem. Yeah, I like to have fun. So does the— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —Honourable Member .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSee, now you are caught off track. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I see him, and he sees me. We just give each other a little nod. He says to me, It’s just politics. You know, it’s just politics, what we talk up in the House . And that is …
See, now you are caught off track.
Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I see him, and he sees me. We just give each other a little nod. He says to me, It’s just politics. You know, it’s just politics, what we talk up in the House . And that is all fine and good. But this is a serious matter, Mr. Speaker . The formation of the Bermuda Tourism A uthority by the One Bermuda Alliance was a gamechanging advance in our tourism product. It changed everything. So, here we are today. A Bill has been laid that will give the Minister the ability to basically dictate to the Tourism Authority —the very thing that we did not want to do and did not want to h appen when we set up the Bermuda Tourism Authority. So, I think last week we talked about the cynic in me . . . and I am going to talk about the cynic in me again this week. The cynic in me is asking these ques tions: Is this the first move by the PLP Gove rnment to ditch the heretofore independent Bermuda Tourism Authority? Time will tell. The second question the cynic in me is as king: Is this the first move by the PLP Government to bring tourism back in- house as a government depar tment? Time will tell. The third question the cynic in me is asking: Will the PLP Government force the Bermuda Tourism Authority to secure its own funds? Time will tell. Mr. Speaker, like I said, the Opposition will have its say, and the Government will have its way. Once again, that is democracy. The people did speak. But I caution this Government, the people are watc hing. The people are listening. The people are obser ving. The people can clearly see that the Bermuda Tourism Authority has been successful. Those who work in tour ism in Bermuda can clearly feel the difference in their pockets and with the investment that is being made in tourism. So, Mr. Speaker, I am on my feet because time will tell what this change to the Tourism Authority is going to do to our tourism product . Just like in 2012 when we set up the Tourism Authority, I hope that this Bill does not impede the way that the Bermuda Tourism Authority does its business. I pray that this does not happen because tourism right now is the one bright spot that we have. It is the only thing that is going in the right direction and it would be a shame for it to be interfered with because some Members in this House feel that they are not getting respect. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to contribute to this debate? Minister, I see you jumped quick . . . but I see no one else move, so I am going to recognise you, Minister. Minister, feel free to make some comments at this point. …
Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to contribute to this debate? Minister, I see you jumped quick . . . but I see no one else move, so I am going to recognise you, Minister. Minister, feel free to make some comments at this point.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Si lva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I will. Well, Mr. Speaker, I do have some comments to make. But before I do, let me just state for the record that I think the BTA have done some very good work over the last few years. I have said it before, an d I will say it again today. So, let me make that clear. And for those that may think that as the i ncoming Minister I have been sitting up at a desk with my feet laid across it, Mr. Speaker, I have been quite busy. In fact, I spent quite a bit of time wit h the CEO of the Bermuda Tourism Authority himself. And having done that, I can tell you that I am quite impressed. I am not saying that we will not fight because, you know what, Mr. Speaker, I have been in business a long time. I fight with my partners al l the time. I have dis agreements with my family all the time. I am not saying it is not going to happen. But I have been impressed with Mr. Dallas, in particular. Now, with that being said, Mr. Speaker, I think it is important for us to point out to the people of the country that when you hear almost every Member on the other side talk about political interference and what we are doing with the BTA board, la, da, da, da, da, da, da . . . what none of them told you, Mr. Speak-er, is that this board, when it was appointed, when we passed that Act in this House, it was a politically appointed board. Every member of that board was appointed by the OBA. But I did not hear one Member mention that. Not one. Now, what happens when you have a change of Government, Mr. Speaker ? Look around the world. I am not even going to mention Trump’s day. He changes somebody every day. Why is that? You know why, Mr. Speaker ? You know why we make changes? Because different governments have different visions. And when you have vis ions that the people of the country elect you to carry out, you must make chang-es necessary to make sure that the visions that have been laid out to get you elected in the first place are carried out and they are fulfilled for the voters that put us in place. So, Mr. Speaker, yes, we are going to make some changes. And there may be more to come because this Progressive Labour Party Government has a vision and that vision includes the people of this country that voted us in. And let us be clear, Mr. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 183
Bermuda House of Assembly Speaker , the changes that we are going to make here today, they only bring us in line with other indepen dent bodies. And it is important to note. Independent bodies that receive Government funding —the taxpa yers’ dollars. And, Mr. Speaker, it has worked fine for decades. This will be no different. Now, Mr. Speaker, the Members Opposite, almost to a person, talk about, Why is he going to get closer? Why does he have to go make these changes? Why, why, why does he have to get more i nvolved? Well, you know, there was an incident or an event, a situation, with St. Peter’s Church this week. We had some noise down east, at St. Peter’s Church. Well, what have we heard? Well, we heard that the BTA cut their funding. Hmmm. Who do you think got most of the calls, Mr. Speaker ? Do you think the BTA got all the calls?
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because I will tell you I spent two hours, at least, on my phone yesterday. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The people’s represent ative, Mr . Swan, or the Honourable Member Swan, the Honourable Member Renee Ming, the Honourable Member Foggo from down east —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberRinging off the hook. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because their constituents are calling them and saying what? Check out your Minister. But, of course, guess what? The Minister knew nothing about it!
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAh! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He knew nothing about it! And you wonder why I want to get closer? I will tell you what . . . get used to it! This Minister turns o ver stones. Bob Richards who lifted up the hood . . . I’m …
Ah! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He knew nothing about it! And you wonder why I want to get closer? I will tell you what . . . get used to it! This Minister turns o ver stones. Bob Richards who lifted up the hood . . . I’m pulling the car apart!
[Laughter]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am going to tear that e ngine apart!
[Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, I will! So, they better get used to it. This is the beginning, Mr. Speaker . I just got here. I just got here. The people of this country expect us to show action, and we will give them action. Trust me.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, Mr. Speaker, I heard a couple of Members over there talk about the success of the BTA and how the numbers have i ncreased. A former Premier, Dunkley, who could not count too well talked about 12 quarters of success, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, Mr. Speaker . . . and they talked about how critical I was at the time when I was Shadow Minister of Tourism. Yes, I was critical! And you will remember our Finance, Shadow Finance Minister at the time, the Honourable, now Premier, David Burt, brought to this House how the numbers were—the tourist arrival s— were the lowest in 48 years. And why did I criticise the former CEO Bill Hanbury and, of course, the H onourable Member said the BTA and, yes, I tell you what, I did give them some criticism because a CEO and members of the BTA were receiving bonuses when we had our worst performance numbers in 48 years. And that is why I was critical. And if they were the same today, I would be the same critical person, because you know what? In my life, in my space, where I come from, Mr. Speaker, you do not get bonuses for poor performance and bad results. You do not get it. You just do not get it, Mr. Speaker . And if we are going to pay . . . well, I challenge the Honourable Member Dunkley to say how much the former CEO was making in terms of wages. And yes, oh yes, he said a million dollars and said I threw it out there. I said, well, we do not know what it is. We know, it is, you know, $400 here, a house here, a car here, a telephone here, first -class business trips here. You know, who knows what is was, Mr. Speaker. I could find out though . . . But the thing is, Mr. Speaker, my issue at the time was that we had our worst numbers in 48 years —worst! And I would be doing my constituents and the people of this country a disservice if I did not point that out to them —with the millions of dollars, millions of dollars that we were spending. And I will take nothing away from the recent results, the good results. But I did say back then when you are at rock bottom, Mr. Speaker, there is only one way. There is only one way. I said it then. The Ho nourable Member Sylvan Richards talks about Hansard. Go check that out and see what I said back then. I said those numbers will get better. There is only one way up from the bottom, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Opposition Leader, again, he was talking, quoting me, saying the first thing I am going to do —he quoted me when I was the Opposition Shadow, and I said the problem is, we do not spend enough money in advertising. And I said then, and he repeated tonight, I said they should be getting $10 [million], $20 [million], $40 million more for advertising. And he said it, and I agree with it. The only i ssue is, Honourable Opposition Leader . . . the difference now is that your Government doubled our debt in four and a half years. And we are so close to our debt 184 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly ceiling that I would not even be able to get close, close —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott PearmanMr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. I know he had trouble with maths earlier in this conversation, but the OBA did not double the debt. The debt when the OBA came into power in 2012 was $1.5, $1.6, they bor-rowed $800,000, that takes us to $2.3, $2.4— …
Mr. Scott Pe armanThat is not double— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sit down, sit down.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You see, the Honourable Member says I cannot add. He needs to go back to math school because he is not the only lawyer that cannot count. That, I know. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And let me tell you …
Thank you.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You see, the Honourable Member says I cannot add. He needs to go back to math school because he is not the only lawyer that cannot count. That, I know.
[Laughter]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And let me tell you som ething else, Mr. Speaker, when I came in, that debt stood at just under $1.2 —not $1.4. It was $1.2. and $1.2 and $1.2 is $2.4, Mr. Speaker, in my book. That is what it is in my book, Mr. Speaker .
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott PearmanPoint of order. Again, the Ho nourable Member is misleading the House. It was $1.4, $1.5. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, he does not even know what i t is—$1.4, $1.5. You see how he throws out numbers, Mr. Speaker ? That is what I am saying. The …
Point of order. Again, the Ho nourable Member is misleading the House. It was $1.4, $1.5.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, he does not even know what i t is—$1.4, $1.5. You see how he throws out numbers, Mr. Speaker ? That is what I am saying. The fact of the matter is, you get my drift.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I tell you what, let us give him the benefit of the doubt. Let us say it was $1.4. Okay, a billion dollars in four years! A billion in four years! Give him $400 million. A billion in four years, Mr. Speaker . But they criticise us for amassing $1.4 in 14 years. And the reason is . . . and I have said it many times, I can pull my notes out from underneath, I can give you a litany, a litany of things that this Pr ogressive Labour Party did in 14 years, where that money was spent.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNow, now, let us keep it on the Bill b efore us right now. Hon. Zane J. S. De Sil va: Well documented. Yes, yes, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSo, we can get to a conclusion of that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, yes, I did say that. And I will repeat it today. I will tell you what, if you gave me a choice of spending $70 m illion on a boat race or …
So, we can get to a conclusion of that.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, yes, I did say that. And I will repeat it today. I will tell you what, if you gave me a choice of spending $70 m illion on a boat race or take that $70 million and scatter it all over the States, especially the Eastern seaboard, I will tell you what, we would have a hell of a lot more tourists in hotels than what we did for that America’s Cup. Because as we know, as we know, we were told we would have two cruise ships out in the harbour because all the hotels were going to be full. Well, if I remember correctly, we had chamber maids that were being laid off during the America’s Cup. Lest we forget.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat’s a fact. Another Hon. Member: That’s true. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You give me $70 million and see if I do not increase the numbers to this country in hotel beds, in occupancy rates. [Crosstalk ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Smith, the Honourable …
That’s a fact.
Another Hon. Member: That’s true.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You give me $70 million and see if I do not increase the numbers to this country in hotel beds, in occupancy rates.
[Crosstalk ]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Smith, the Honourable Member , when he asked me why am I changing, I hope I answered his question. And, then, of course, the Honourable Member Smith said, L et’s leave pol itics out of it. Well, I know you were not in the House at the time, but as I said, the OBA started by appoin ting their board. Now, Mr. Speaker, a couple of more points and I will be done. But one thing I cannot let slip by us, Mr. Speaker . . . you know, Mr. Speaker, there is an old adage that says, you know what? If you were to grow a brain, you would be over weight. [Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAh, ah, ah —let us — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I did not call any names, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet us — Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 185 Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I said there is an old a dage—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet us just keep it clean. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —that says, If you had a brain —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet us keep it clean. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —you would be overweight.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet us keep it clean. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, that is all I am saying, Mr. Speaker . That adage came to m ind today, and that is all I am going to say about that. But, Mr. Speaker, I found it very, very rich, very rich, …
Let us keep it clean.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, that is all I am saying, Mr. Speaker . That adage came to m ind today, and that is all I am going to say about that. But, Mr. Speaker, I found it very, very rich, very rich, when the former Premier Dunkley got up and said that we are scaremongering.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberBogeyman. Hon. Zane J . S. De Silva: We are scaremongering. And he said the PLP are the kings of bogeymen. Why, look, Mr. Speaker . You know what? I do not think that that really justifies a comment. But the other thing that I think is important to note, …
Bogeyman.
Hon. Zane J . S. De Silva: We are scaremongering. And he said the PLP are the kings of bogeymen. Why, look, Mr. Speaker . You know what? I do not think that that really justifies a comment. But the other thing that I think is important to note, too, the Honourable Mem ber Pat Gordon- Pamplin said that the success of the BTA is going to be diminished with these changes. You talk about scaremongering, Mr. Speaker . All right? These changes have been outlined specifica lly several times today, certainly in my brief. And I am sure we will talk about it a little bit more in Committee. But, Mr. Speaker, how can that Honourable Member draw that conclusion that the success is going to be diminished because of these changes? Yes, that is what she said. Now, the other thing— [Inau dible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, no, I will not . . . oh, okay, all right, I thought you were talking about . . . I am talking about Pat Gordon- Pamplin, not you, Ho nourable Member.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThe Honourable Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Now, Mr. Speaker, I think another thing to point out is the fact when we talk about cruise ships and air arrivals in the country . . . you might recall, Mr. Speaker, when . . . because somebody called …
The Honourable Member.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Now, Mr. Speaker, I think another thing to point out is the fact when we talk about cruise ships and air arrivals in the country . . . you might recall, Mr. Speaker, when . . . because somebody called his name today. The Honourable Member (he is passed now, Mr. Jim Woolridge, may he rest in peace), talked about Mr. Jim Woolridge. Now, if anybody remembers. . . because, you know, that side likes to give a little history today. So I am going to give a little history, too. Because it is i mportant. When Jim Woolridge was the Tourism Mini ster . . . I do not know how many people in the House will remember, Mr. Speaker, but he did not want to increase cruise lines. Why did he not want to increase cruise lines and cruise visits to the country? Why, Mr. Speaker ? We had over 10,000 beds at that time. Well, what has happened since then? The hotel [bed count] has dropped significantly. And I would venture to say, I do not know what the number is, Mr. Speaker, but I would think it [has decreased by] 40 [per cent] or 50 per cent. So, Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the former Premier of this country, Dr. Ewart Brown, for building those docks up in Doc kyard, because I would venture to say that if we did not have those dock s, where would be today?
[Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe would be a ghost town. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Where would we be today? So, thank God we had a Premier that had v ision beyond his years and thank God we did. Now, Mr. Speaker, two Members on that side tonight criticised my colleague, the former …
We would be a ghost town.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Where would we be today? So, thank God we had a Premier that had v ision beyond his years and thank God we did. Now, Mr. Speaker, two Members on that side tonight criticised my colleague, the former Tourism Minister, Wayne Furbert, for his singing advertisement at the Boston . . . where was it? At the Boston bas eball game?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThey have won ever since. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, look, I will tell you what, when I heard that Wayne Furbert likes to sing . . . Mr. Speaker, I had my doubts. But I will tell you what. He actually made me cry one day …
They have won ever since.
[Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, look, I will tell you what, when I heard that Wayne Furbert likes to sing . . . Mr. Speaker, I had my doubts. But I will tell you what. He actually made me cry one day in church. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Sil va: He, he, he . . . not that he was that bad; but he was actually that good!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI was about to ask the same thing. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sylvan, Honourable Member Sylvan Richards, I am telling you, he will make you cry. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But, but, I will say this. Now, when the Honourable Member , I think …
I was about to ask the same thing.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sylvan, Honourable Member Sylvan Richards, I am telling you, he will make you cry. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But, but, I will say this. Now, when the Honourable Member , I think it was the 186 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Honourable Member Susan Jackson who stood up and said that she thought that it was a waste of money. I will tell you what. I cannot sing; I ca nnot even get close to him. But if I could get out there in the middle of that park and not even say a word, but throw that ball and say I am from Bermuda to all the people at that game, I would do it tomorrow. I would do it. And then the Honourable Member said she doubts if we got any mileage out of it. Are you ser ious? I will tell you what. I will tell you what. If we spent, say $10 million going towards the baseball games every time, we would get more tourists than we did for that boat race. I will tell you what.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, we would. Now, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member Jackson said something. I could have jumped up. I could get really rough, but I did not, because I think she just gets a little confused sometimes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member , the Honourable Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member gets a little confused. She says, you know, what are my qualifications to be able to sit in this seat? Well, Mr. Speaker, I am going to answer that this way. I am just going …
Honourable Member , the Honourable Member.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member gets a little confused. She says, you know, what are my qualifications to be able to sit in this seat? Well, Mr. Speaker, I am going to answer that this way. I am just going to answer it this way. The Honourable Member really shows, I would say, her political and parliamentary immaturity to make a comment in this House of that nature. All I am going to say, Mr. Speaker, is this: The voters of this country know who they voted for and what they expect us to do. They know who I am. They know who every Cabinet Minister is in this party. They know who every PLP Backbencher is in this party. And they know our qualities!
Hon. Wayne L. Furber t: Ask them what Michael Fahy knows about tourism. He was a Tourism Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, let me just say, Mr. Speaker . . . I am not going to say, Mr. Speaker, for a moment that I own several companies, multi -million - dollar projects un der management. Mr. Speaker, I am not going to say all that. Mr. Speaker , all I am going to say is that I am going to leave it up to my constituents. I will leave it up to them. I can tell you— leave it up to them. I can tell you —
[Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I can tell you this, Mr.
SpeakerThe SpeakerI have had a lot of conversations with bankers, lawyers, accountants, engineers. And I will tell you what, Mr. Speaker, I will tell you what. I am going to leave it right there. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: As they say in some ci rcles, pick the …
I have had a lot of conversations with bankers, lawyers, accountants, engineers. And I will tell you what, Mr. Speaker, I will tell you what. I am going to leave it right there. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: As they say in some ci rcles, pick the bones out of that. Now, Mr. Speaker, there was also another comment, the Honourable Member Michael Dunkley talked about the question in this morning when I r eferred him to the Tourism Plan. Well, what the Honourable Member did not tell you is that the Airport Authority is producing an airline incentive plan that is tied into the T ourism Plan. So, he is probably being a little tricky. So, that is why I said you asked a plantation question, you get a plantation answer.
[Gavel]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: All right? So, we are not going to play that game. So let us . . . and he knows that. He knows that. That is why he asked the question. But he did not really think I r eally knew what was going on. But, to me? That is the kind of answer that you are going to get when you ask that kind of question. Now, Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring anot her example, when we talk about this change we are making today and how I am goi ng to be a little bit closer to the Bermuda Tourism Authority. Imagine a Fortune 500 company, Mr. Speaker, with a board. I magine the owners and shareholders. Imagine the BMA, Mr. Speaker, and who they have to answer to . I think to the Minister of Finance?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Hello. The Bermuda Regulatory Authority. Who do they answer to, Mr. Speaker? Hmmm. WEDCO ? BLDC and the Bermuda Airport Authority ? Yes . . . do these entities work okay? Is there any problem with the Bermuda Monetary A uthority? The Bermuda …
Yes.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Hello. The Bermuda Regulatory Authority. Who do they answer to, Mr. Speaker? Hmmm. WEDCO ? BLDC and the Bermuda Airport Authority ? Yes . . . do these entities work okay? Is there any problem with the Bermuda Monetary A uthority? The Bermuda Housing Corporation? Yeoman work done by those folks over at the Corporation. And, of course, I know they are enjoying having the Minister back there—the man that drives the . . . we should put up a statue one day of Colone l Burch with the housing complex in his hand.
[Laughter]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because the man has got a passion for our people, and they are loving it. But, Mr. Speaker . . . look, I am just going to wrap up because I think it is important. This change we are making, you will recall many people in the country, (particularly the Members Opposite [will r ecall]) , right, the people of this country tell us , Listen, you guys, we trust you. We trust you with our purse. We are going to vote you in in record numbers. We want you . And then you hear the other side saying, Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 187
Bermuda House of Assembly You got to control spending. You have to reduce the debt. You have to reduce the deficit. We have to watch the taxpayers ’ money. Well, that is exactly what this Bill is going to do. We are going to get a little closer to the money because , contrary to popular belief, the Opposition would have you believe, they would have you believe, Mr. Speaker, that we dictate where the money goes. BTA . . . BTA, they get almost $30 million, Mr. Speaker, and what do they do? They disburse it as they see fit. So, Mr. Speaker, our people want us to get things under control, want us to be closer, want us to have our fingers on the pulse. And, Mr. Speaker, I will have mine on the pulse. And I just want to remind Members on the other side that they are the past, we are the future. And I ask that this Bill be committed, Mr. Speaker.
[Desk thumping]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Deputy? House in Committee at 5:33 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL BERMUDA TOURISM AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2018
The ChairmanChairmanHonourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consider ation of the Bill entitled the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, give me a second,
Mr. Chairman.
The ChairmanYes, indeed. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker —
The ChairmanChairmanYes? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: [Mr. Chairman], sorry, I would propose that we move all seven clauses.
The ChairmanChairmanContinue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: With the House’s permi ssion.
The ChairmanChairmanContinue, sir. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Okay, Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides the citation of the Bill. Clause 2 amends section 2 of the Act by adding a definition of “Deputy Chairman.” Clause 3 amends section 4 of the Act by i nserting the appointment of …
Continue, sir.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Okay, Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides the citation of the Bill. Clause 2 amends section 2 of the Act by adding a definition of “Deputy Chairman.” Clause 3 amends section 4 of the Act by i nserting the appointment of a Deputy Chairman and it repeals and replaces subsection (2) of section 4 to give the Minister the authority to appoint the six other members of the Board. In addition, the term limit of the Board members is removed by repealing subsection (3), which has restricted members to two terms and subs tituting it with the ability of a Board member at the end of his term to be considered for reappointment by the Minister. Section 5 which provided for the Board to elect a Deputy Chairman from amongst its members is repealed. Subsection (7) is amended to include the Deputy Chairman so that the Deputy is also entitled to fees and allowances as the Minister may determine. Clause 4 inserts new section 5A which gives the Minister the power to appoint the Deputy Chai rman after consultation with the Chairman. The Deputy Chairman need not be a current member of the Board, but shall have suitable qualifications and experience in travel and tourism. The term for the Deputy Chai rman is three years and the Minister may appoint the Deputy for a further term. The Deputy Chairman is responsible for assisting the Chairman with the eff icient conduct of the Authority’s affairs. Clause 5 amends section 9 of the principal Act to include the Deputy Chairman and the list of Board members to whom the Board can delegate any of its functions or power of the Authority under the Act, except the power of delegation. Clause 6 inserts a new section 12A into the principal Act. This empowers the Minister, after consultation with the Board, to issue to the Board general directions as to the exercise and performance by the Board of its functions. Further, the new section r equires the Board to give effect to those changes, those directions. Clause 7 makes consequential amendments in Part 1 of the Schedule to the principal Act which addresses resignation and removal from office to i nclude reference to the Deputy Chairman. Also, the amendments empower the Minister after consultation with the Board to remove a person from office as Chairman, Deputy Chairman or a member of the Board if he is satis fied the person is unable, unfit or unwilling to perform his functions as a member.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Leah Scott from constituency 30.
Ms. Leah K. ScottThank you, Mr. [ Chairman]. I just have a couple of questions on section 4, sorry, [clause] 3 which is amending section 4. 188 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The section 4(b) it was previously seven members and now it is being reduced to six. …
Thank you, Mr. [ Chairman]. I just have a couple of questions on section 4, sorry, [clause] 3 which is amending section 4. 188 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly The section 4(b) it was previously seven members and now it is being reduced to six. Is there any particular reason why? I was just thinking, sitti ng on boards, when you have an even board, if you have a tie- breaker, does the Chairman have a casting vote or . . . The second question is, I see you are repea ling the whole of subsection (2), and I understand the explanation for subsection (3), where a member is eligible upon the expiry of the member’s term of ap-pointment to be considered for reappointment by the Minister. So, I understand that you provide for continuity in terms of having somebody be able to stay on the Board and roll over and roll over and roll over. But there is also the opportunity for ideas to become stale because then you have somebody that is rolling over, rolling over, rolling over. So, would consideration be given to maybe capping the term? Or just having it completely be e vergreen? It has its pros and cons, so I understand it, so I was just wondering if there is some discretion or flexibility to be able to change it. The original section 4(5) did give the Board the ability to elect a Deputy Chairman. And I understand that the Minister has the ability to appoint a Chairman. Why does the Minister need to have the ability to appoint a Deputy Chairman as well? In [clause] 6 which amends section 12A under the General Powers [of the Minister] (and the general powers are quite broad) . . . so the Minister can give the Board directions of a general nature. What happens if the Board just starts not to effect those directions? What are the consequences?
[Laughter]
Ms. Leah K. ScottJust asking! And, under the Bermuda Monetary Author ity [BMA] Act, there is a section called “Relations with Government.” The directions that you are giving, will they be written directions? Because in the BMA Act it has to be in writing. If you look at . . . and would …
Just asking! And, under the Bermuda Monetary Author ity [BMA] Act, there is a section called “Relations with Government.” The directions that you are giving, will they be written directions? Because in the BMA Act it has to be in writing. If you look at . . . and would you be willing to consider, I guess, s ome of the terms of section 21 of the BMA Act to be imposed in this Act? And those are all my questions. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Minister would be good enough to explain under clause 4, on page 2, section 5A(2) with respect to the Deputy Chairman. It says that, “The person …
The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Minister would be good enough to explain under clause 4, on page 2, section 5A(2) with respect to the Deputy Chairman. It says that, “The person appointed as Deputy Chairman may be a current member of the Board or some other person . . .”. The makeup, the criteria for the makeup of the Board at the moment, is a [Chairman] and seven other members. So, if the Minister appoints such other person, does that mean we have to change the principal Act to allow for seven or such other n umber as the Minister may determine? Or . . . because if you have got a full Board, but the Minister wants to appoint a Deputy from outside based on what he is now doing in this legislation, does that mean we have to increase . . . would that increase the number or would he make sure that this person . . . I do not know if you under-stand the question. But if you make sure that this person, that Deputy, becomes a member of the Board, does somebody step down to remain within the se ven—seven plus the Chairman?
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. the Chair recognises the Honourable Member , Mr. Pearman, from Paget.
Mr. Scott PearmanThank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one question on [clause] 6 in relation to the insertion of 12A. There we see that this will allow the Minister, af ter consultation with the Board, to give the Board directions of a general character. Given what the Minister has said in the debate, …
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one question on [clause] 6 in relation to the insertion of 12A. There we see that this will allow the Minister, af ter consultation with the Board, to give the Board directions of a general character. Given what the Minister has said in the debate, can he confirm whether or not directions of a general character would include directions to the Board as to the hiring or firing of executive staff and employees? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? Minister. [Crosstalk] [Pause] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, there seems to be a little confusion about the [number] of me mbers. There are six members. You have a Deputy and a Chairman, so that is eight in total. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. …
Any further speakers? Minister. [Crosstalk]
[Pause]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Chairman, there seems to be a little confusion about the [number] of me mbers. There are six members. You have a Deputy and a Chairman, so that is eight in total.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, eight in total. Okay? Eight in total. I think there is a question about capping the term. I think, you know . . . well we will, you know, all things can be considered. Why appoint a Deputy? Why not?
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises . . . hang on, my dear. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Leah Scott.
Ms. Leah K. ScottThank you, [Mr . Chairman]. I am not saying that, . . . why not appoint a Deputy Chairman. I am saying that the mechanism is Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 189 Bermuda House of Assembly already in the legislation for a Deputy Chairman to be appointed by …
Thank you, [Mr . Chairman]. I am not saying that, . . . why not appoint a Deputy Chairman. I am saying that the mechanism is Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 189
Bermuda House of Assembly already in the legislation for a Deputy Chairman to be appointed by the Board.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The simple answer is that I get to do it now.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWell, the Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, the Minister. [Laughter] [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Minister. Someone had mentioned when the . . . when the . . . when the Board does not give eff ect to directions, of course, then in …
Well, the Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, the Minister.
[Laughter]
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Minister. Someone had mentioned when the . . . when the . . . when the Board does not give eff ect to directions, of course, then in clause 7 it does say at the end, and I will read it for you, also the amendments empower the Minister, after consultation with the Board, to remove a person from office as Chairman, Deputy Chairman, or a member of the Board if he is satisfied the person is unable, unfit or unwilling to perform his functions as a member.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The other question was, Mr. Chairman, will directions be written. Well, in this day and age I wou ld think that certainly this is going to happen, yes. Just, you know, a simple email —that is how it will be done. I think we answered about the member. And, of course, I think the Honourable Member Pearman asked about, you know, hiring and firing. I did m ake it very clear that the Minister will not be able to hire or fire anybody in the BTA.
The ChairmanChairmanAny further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanYou want to move— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I move the preamble be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanNo, move the clauses. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh! I move clauses, I move clauses 1 through 7.
The ChairmanChairman[Clauses] 1 through 7. It has been moved that clauses 1 t hrough 7 be approved. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 7 passed.] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I move that the preamble be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the preamble be approved. Any objections to that? No objections. Approved. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as printed.
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any objections to report ing this Bill to the House? There appear to be none. Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House, as printed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 was considered by a Commi ttee of the whole House and passed without …
Are there any objections to report ing this Bill to the House? There appear to be none. Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House, as printed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 was considered by a Commi ttee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
House resumed at 5:46 pm
[Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Spea ker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
BERMUDA TOURISM AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2018
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment [Act] 2018 being reported to the House as printed? No objec tions. So reported. That now brings us to a close of that item and I believe all other items are being carried over. At this …
Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment [Act] 2018 being reported to the House as printed? No objec tions. So reported. That now brings us to a close of that item and I believe all other items are being carried over. At this point we will have our third readings. The Minister . . . is someone going to do it for the Minister of Health?
Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am going to do it on behalf of the Minister of Health.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the following Bill, entitled the N ursing Amendment Act 2018, be now read a third time by its title only.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections? Any objections? No. 190 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Continue on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING NURSING AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. Walte r H. Roban: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections? No objections. So, now the Bill is now passed as printed. [Motion carried: The Nursing Amendment Act 2018 was read a third time and passed.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister of Tourism, third reading. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now a read a third time— The Speaker: Any objections? Continue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, that is it? Oh, I move — oh . . . [Crosstalk] SUSPENSION …
Minister of Tourism, third reading.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now a read a third time— The Speaker: Any objections? Continue. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, that is it? Oh, I move — oh . . . [Crosstalk]
SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 be now read for a third time by its title only.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo objections? Continue, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING BERMUDA TOURISM AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title onl y and passed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections? No objections. So passed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Tourism Authority Amendment Act 2018 was read a third time and passed.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThat now brings us to the close of all business, other than the matter for the Deputy Premier to do. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Premier [sic]. I do now move—
The SpeakerThe Speaker“Speaker,” “Mr. Speaker.” That’s all right. I enjoy this Chair; I do not want the other Chair. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I know you are not looking for any other jobs right now. Mr. Speaker, I do move that we adjourn to sit next week on the …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Any objections to that? Any . . . okay, I have a Member who wants to speak t o that. I recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor. AIRLINE INCENTIVES Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, this morning we heard …
Yes. Any objections to that? Any . . . okay, I have a Member who wants to speak t o that. I recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor.
AIRLINE INCENTIVES
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, this morning we heard about the Skyport operators and part owners for 30 years of the airport. And from what we gather they do not want to pay the incentive that we pay the airlines that bring our passengers into Bermuda, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMm-hmm. Continue. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: When the PLP Government secured the Miami flight via American Ai rlines and were paying this incentive, there was much criticism from all concerned. But it has turned out to be the most successful flight that we have had in the last 10, …
Mm-hmm. Continue. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: When the PLP Government secured the Miami flight via American Ai rlines and were paying this incentive, there was much criticism from all concerned. But it has turned out to be the most successful flight that we have had in the last 10, 15 years, Mr. Speaker . And the Honourable Tourism Minister then (the former Premier Dr. Brown), got other airlines to come in here with the incentive to pay based on the MRGs. Mr. Speaker, most countries that have tourism as one of their main industries do the same thing. Now, we find out that this group down there that has been given the deal of a lifetime says they are not going to pay. But from what we have heard from the pr evious Government they, by building that airport, would increase traffic, flights and numbers coming to Bermuda. And I really hope so. And I say that sincerely, because if that is so, then all in Bermuda stand to gain. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 191
Bermuda House of Assembly But, Mr. Speaker, with this revelation today that they do not think they should pay [but they] think that Mr. and Mrs. Smith should pay, this is outright disrespectful and insulting to those, even those that signed that contract with them. I am sure the previous Government did not think that this would happen. If not, they should correct me. I am sure they thought they would carry on as normal and do whatever is necessary to get these flights into Bermuda, Mr. Speaker . So, this . . . and we really do not know. I do not know what is in the agreement. I do not know if it is spelled out in the agreement in clear terms that this is one of the things they have to do in order to get flights and bring people into this country. And hopefully if you reach the required numbers, you would not have to pay out that incentive. That is always our hope. So, I know the Minister for Tourism will be on to that and the Government and the rest of his co lleagues will be on to that to try to get that situation sorted out.
DOCKYARD PREFAB HOUSES
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, again we heard today about the housing, the prefab housing, in Dockyard. Mr. Speaker, we have had much criticism, this Gov ernment, whether it be warranted or not about the [Grand Atlantic]. It is going to fall off the cliff and all the money we paid for it. But, Mr. Speaker, when we have a project at Dockyard that was started by the PLP Government and finished under the last Gover nment, the OBA, one where houses were supposed to cost $360,000 for each, and I would venture to say, and I think I am pretty safe on that those houses are about 12,000 square feet. Probably no more than that—1,200 square feet, I am sorry, 1,200 squar e feet. That is not very large. That is not very large, Mr. Speaker . But, Mr. Speaker, what we find out now, is that they are supposed to be . . . the final arrangement was, we were supposed to build 100. Only 20 were built and it cost $25 million. Mr. Sp eaker, that is $1.25 million per apartment. That is what it cost —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAre you serious? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: For 1,200 square feet, Mr. Speaker ! Mr. Speaker, the most expensive real estate in the country, with concrete roofs, which c reates a lot of humidity, when it is high. And I understand most of the people in those places had …
Are you serious?
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: For 1,200 square feet, Mr. Speaker ! Mr. Speaker, the most expensive real estate in the country, with concrete roofs, which c reates a lot of humidity, when it is high. And I understand most of the people in those places had to buy air -conditioning units in order to try and keep them cool. You really do not do concrete roofs in Bermuda with some type of . . . if you do not have t he proper insulation, Mr. Speaker . I am not sure who the Minister was for the other side, because they had about three or four wit h-in that period. But one thing I do know, it was the OBA Government that wasted that money —we just heard it today from . . . I am sure if we did not have a Minister like we have now, the Honourable Member Colonel Burch, dig into this and find this out, we probably would have never known, Mr. Speaker . [It was] $1.25 million per unit. That is what it cost. The taxpayers in this c ountry are on the hook for $25 million, plus $2.2 million in materials that they cannot use, at least as it has been recommended by us. Mr. Speaker, it seems like a lot of things went on up there with construction costs. Who is going to pay? Because the reclamation of land up there, that cost $39 million. We heard the former Chair of WE DCO say that the Minister and the Finance Minister at that time were trying to force WEDCO to sign the note for $39 million, which they did not sign. Mr. Speaker, so, again, the taxpayer is on the hook for that.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member[That is] $6 million a year. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, $6 mi llion a year. We have wasted all this money and I think the project, I will not say the land reclamation was a waste of money. I think that is something we needed. I am …
[That is] $6 million a year. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, $6 mi llion a year. We have wasted all this money and I think the project, I will not say the land reclamation was a waste of money. I think that is something we needed. I am certainly . . . because that started under us. We were going to do the same thing. My problem is who is going to pay for it, because the intent was that WEDCO was going to pay for it. Now the people of Bermuda have to pay for it. Just like the 22 . . . the $1.25 million per unit up there, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, what is more unbelievable is the Auditor General at that time did not, has not whi spered a word. Nothing in her reports, the reports by the Audi tor General, on this project going over budget. Not a word. No special audits. No nothing. It was okay to spend this type of money endorsed by the Auditor General of the day. Only answerable to the . . . the occupant of the largest house on Langton Hill. A nd that person has not said anything, because the r esponse from them . . . they have said nothing. Wasted this money when Ms. Smith cannot pay for her medical bills, struggling to buy food to feed the children, struggling to pay for rent, and we are wasti ng this money. Mr. Speaker, this is something that the people of Bermuda should be very concerned and annoyed at because if that had happened under the PLP Government, there would have been four or five Auditor’s reports, special reports. It would have b een in the p apers for 40 days and 40 nights. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Reporting us —how incompetent this Government would have been and particularly the Minister —particularly if it was me. 192 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections] Hon. D errick V. Burgess, Sr.: Oh, yes, Mr. Speaker . This is cause for concern. We should have an inquiry on this here based on the Governor not ordering a special report on this here, based on the Auditor General not even doing a special report or even mentioning the waste of money in none of their reports. There should be an inquiry on this. It is a ser ious, serious matter, Mr. Speaker. And I would hope that those concerned . . . because the Auditor General does not come under the Government, does not come under the Premier, does not come under the head of civil service, but comes under the occupant of the largest house in Langton Hill, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, with that, I will take my seat.
The SpeakerThe Speaker[Microphone off.] I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 11.
Mr. Christopher FamousThank you, Mr. Speaker, and good evening colleagues and the listening public of Bermuda. I will not be long—
Mr. Christopher Famous—because somebody said there is a party to go to . [ Inaudible interjection] ROLL OF THE OPPOSITION
Mr. Christopher FamousAnd I was not long. Mr. Speaker, you ever hear of a guy called Bob Marley? He has a song that goes, They do not want to see us unite, they do not want to see us live together. All they want to see us do is fussing and fighting. …
And I was not long. Mr. Speaker, you ever hear of a guy called Bob Marley? He has a song that goes, They do not want to see us unite, they do not want to see us live together. All they want to see us do is fussing and fighting. All they want to see us [do] is killing each other. Bob Marley. Mr. Speaker, around the [period of the] 1500s, Europeans looked around the world. They looked at Asia. They looked at Africa. And they looked at America. And they said, Wow. We would like to take all of that. But you know what, it is a little bit too much of them and a little bit too little of us. So, how are we going to take all of that from them? Hmmm. Let’s think about this, guys. And th ey said, I know. Let’s go divide and conquer them. Let’s go tell this set one thing, that set another thing, and that set something else. That way we can take everything from them. So, it kind of worked out, up until last week. Last week, there was a gentleman, an Honourable Member in here. I will not call his name, but people know who I am talking about. He stood up, he looked around and he said, Hey, how can I conquer these guys? It is like one- third of us and two- thirds of them. I know! Let’s go do the whole coloniser thing again. Divide and conquer. Let’s go pit the Cabinet against the Backbenchers. Let’s go make the Backbenchers go after the Cabinet! And he thought it was going to work. But, you know, that whole coloniser thing has played out now. Let me help him out. It will not ever work, ever again. So, let me speak to the public of Bermuda about the role of a Backbencher, because some peo-ple do not know what a Backbencher is. They think we just sit up here and just sit across from the Cabinet and s ay, I want that seat, I want that seat. No, that is not how it goes. Backbenchers, Backbenchers —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberIt does not happen on this side anyway. [ Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWhat? Huh? Another Hon. Member: Excuse me? Exc use me?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAh. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah, Member! You are walking . . . Yes. Yes. Just come . . . keep going through.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOoh! Man! [ Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerKeep going through there. [ Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOoh! Right! [ Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right , mate. Come on. Continue speaking! Continue speaking.
Mr. Christopher Famous—at least in this party. A Backbencher’s role is to support the Government’s mandate. A Backbencher’s role is to do committee work, because that is how we shape legislation. A Backbencher’s role is to have oversight of what the Government is doing, so people do not go off the rails. …
—at least in this party. A Backbencher’s role is to support the Government’s mandate. A Backbencher’s role is to do committee work, because that is how we shape legislation. A Backbencher’s role is to have oversight of what the Government is doing, so people do not go off the rails. That is what Backbenchers do. More importantly, a Backbencher’s role is keeping relationships with our social partners. You know, like the unions, the teachers, all the community Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 193
Bermuda House of Assembly clubs. That is what we do as Backbenchers. We keep relationships with our social partners. And most important, a Backbencher’ s role is to keep engaging with voters —you know, the people that actually put us here. The people that put that “X” next to our name every election. So, how do we do that? We call them up [and say], How are you doing, Ms. Smith? [She says,] Yes, Famous, ev erything is cool but look, that cane grass . . . [I say,] I am on you. I am on you. Right? We go and we canvass, knock on doors. That is how we win seats. We have the trust of the people. That is the role of a Backbencher. So, I say that to my colleagues on that side. Do not ever let anyone put in your mind that we are here plotting against you, be-cause that is not the case. We are here to support you.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe love you, too, bro.
Mr. Christopher FamousWe are here to support the mandate of t his Government that we were voted in. We will not fall for the whole divide and conquer.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOkey -dokey.
Mr. Christopher FamousThat is right, the okey - dokey. That is correct. So, I want to say this to the people of Berm uda, all right? When people come with their coloured lies and mind- set, that is divide the people against the party. That is divide the party against the people. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersHe ar, hea r!
Mr. Christopher FamousWe are all here, whether we are pol iticians, whether we are church members, whether we are in the unions, we are here to make this country better. We will not fall for people saying, Well, you know, the PLP, they are really in it for themselves. Well, you know, …
We are all here, whether we are pol iticians, whether we are church members, whether we are in the unions, we are here to make this country better. We will not fall for people saying, Well, you know, the PLP, they are really in it for themselves. Well, you know, the PLP they are trying to take tourism for themselves. No! And we as Backbenchers . . . and I speak to everyone here who is a Backbencher, everyone who has ever been a Backbencher — [Inaudible interjection]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberI do not want to be a Backbencher.
Mr. Christopher FamousWell. This is my point: to everyone, I even include the OBA, because some of you need some lessons on how to be Backbenchers.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThey know everything, do they not? [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSpeak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Do not get distracted.
Mr. Christopher FamousWe, as elected Members in this party, in this country, are here to serve the people. Yes, we get up and we kind of argue against each other, we crack jokes; we go in the back room and slap each other on the back. But our role is to make …
Mr. Christopher FamousNot telling them fairy tales about single payer makes the country go bankrupt. That is craziness. Not tellin g them that the PLP is tr ying to grab tourism for themselves. And for our side, I am not saying that every OBA Member is, I do not know, a little …
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOkay. 194 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Christopher Famous: So, my point Mr. Speaker, I am going to close up here, because we have a party to go to.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYou are reminding them that we are all equals here, right?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou can’t deal with it with this.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo, the Speaker talks to his constit uents.
Mr. Christopher FamousWe have to answer their calls. If they email us, do not say, Oh, well, that ’s just Ms. Jones just complaining about her cat again. No. You never know. Because the next week, we may be up here saying, Oh, well, you know my constituent, Ms. Jones, she was …
We have to answer their calls. If they email us, do not say, Oh, well, that ’s just Ms. Jones just complaining about her cat again. No. You never know. Because the next week, we may be up here saying, Oh, well, you know my constituent, Ms. Jones, she was such a wonderfu l person. No. We have to care about the people. The people have to feel our empathy. So, I say to you Cabinet Ministers, I say to you in the Opposition, I say to us in the Robin Hood Corner, right? That the role of every elected Member is what? The people. So, to that Honourable Member whose name I will not call, let me remind you: We will not be conquered. We will not be divided. So, do not waste your time again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor. AMERICA’S CUP Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member from constituency 11 had me r ight up to the point where he …
Thank you. Any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
AMERICA’S CUP
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member from constituency 11 had me r ight up to the point where he said, “Not yet.” His divide -and-conquer approach— he had me! I was listening to him. I thought he was batting on solid turf this time. And then he went across to the . . . and he said, Not yet. So, he was pretty co nvincing, but he lost me right at the end. Now, the Honourable Member who interp olates from the wrong seat can certainly speak. He has lost his voice today, other than when he interpolates. I look forward to him speaking sometime. Mr. Speaker, I want to take some time to address —
[Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet the Member have the floor. He is the only one on his feet. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —the motion to adjourn . . . and the longer he interpolates . . . I might use the 20 minutes, Mr. Speaker. And they will be later for their party. But …
Let the Member have the floor. He is the only one on his feet.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —the motion to adjourn . . . and the longer he interpolates . . . I might use the 20 minutes, Mr. Speaker. And they will be later for their party. But Mr. Speaker, there were a couple of comments that were made last week in the motion to adjourn. I want to specifically address those. The first comment was made by the Honour able Minister from constituency 29 where he made the comment that, in his words, these are his words that, Black people cannot rub shoulders with billionaires .
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I said, You think we can’t.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberPoint of order. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And there are two— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberPoint of order him.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerPoint of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I said that they think that PLP Members cannot rub shoulders with—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is what he said. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —billionaires. Yes! Black people!
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou ain’t black. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You think that . . . you think that, yes . . . you got me. [Inaudible interjections] Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 195 Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Okay, jus t restate it. Don’t take him …
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHe is one of us! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, that is right!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But when I say “we black people,” I am talking about us over here.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: They think that we cannot rub shoulders with billionaires.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHe is one of us. Don’t you forget it! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, he is so quick t o jump up, I have not even finished setting the stage for that. His exact comment was, Yes, the OBA feels that. That is where I was going. But, Mr. …
He is one of us. Don’t you forget it!
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, he is so quick t o jump up, I have not even finished setting the stage for that. His exact comment was, Yes, the OBA feels that. That is where I was going. But, Mr. Speaker, I disagree. I disagree fully. His opinion is not correct. And I think it is a pathetic use of race to try to divide and conquer us, as the Honourable Member said just before me, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I was just speaking— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But let me, Mr. Speaker, give a little context here as I speak. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You are a white suprem acist.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay, Members! Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I ask for that comment be withdrawn. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I ask for that comment be withdrawn. It was inappropriate, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGentlemen, gentlemen. Members, everyone take your seat.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWhat did he say? Another Hon. Member: White supremacist. [Inaudible interjections] [Gavel]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe decorum that we want to set is that the comments that go back and forth, even in hec kling, aren’t the tone that we want to set for the tenor of this House. So, Minister? Minister? [Crosstalk ]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI am going to ask . . . I am going to ask, because I think we are going down a slope that could get this last little piece of the House of today out of whack. And if it seemed to be offensive to someone, I know that you …
I am going to ask . . . I am going to ask, because I think we are going down a slope that could get this last little piece of the House of today out of whack. And if it seemed to be offensive to someone, I know that you are big enough to withdraw it.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Of course.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSo, you will withdraw it for us. Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Of course. Oh, let me say . . . I did not know you were talking to me, Mr. Speaker. But if I said anything that certainly offended anyone, I will withdraw that in a …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Absolutely.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Getting back to the comment that I was making . . . and so, I disagree with the comments that the Honourable Minister made last week. And just som e context behind it, Mr. Speaker. We have heard great criticism …
Thank you.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Getting back to the comment that I was making . . . and so, I disagree with the comments that the Honourable Minister made last week. And just som e context behind it, Mr. Speaker. We have heard great criticism from the PLP in Opposition about the America’s Cup. The America’s Cup brought a number of billionaires to the Island. In fact, the PLP deemed the America’s Cup as the “Bi llionaires Raft Up,” Mr. Speaker. How would you expect to feel comfortable rubbing shoulders with people that you might castigate, Mr. Speaker?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou have done it. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How would you expect to make progress if you castigate people, Mr. Speaker? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I have been castigated all my life. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How would you expect to make progress if you create divide and demean …
You have done it.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How would you expect to make progress if you castigate people, Mr. Speaker?
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I have been castigated all my life.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How would you expect to make progress if you create divide and demean people, Mr. Speaker? Now, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Government Member —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMem bers! Members! 196 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I think he is taking things way out of context because he is talking …
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Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I think he is taking things way out of context because he is talking about how we castigate. But no one casti gated a billionaire in that conversation, Mr. Speaker. The comment was that they think that we black people cannot rub shoulders with billionaires . I did not castigate any billionaire, Mr. Speaker! What it is . . . they do not like the fact that we have bi llionaires that want to come to Bermuda and rub shoulders with black people. That is what they do not like, Mr. Speaker. And the Honourable Member Pat [Gordon- ]Pamplin spoke earlier about GlobalHue, another black wealthy man. But because he is black, because he has done business with the PLP, they do not like it! But if he was white, you would never hear from them!
[Desk thumping]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Continue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is not a point of order. That is a speech an d— [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You know, the last time I checked, Minister De Silva was a white person of Portuguese descent, Mr. Speaker. Now, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContin ue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley : This is my opinion, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerContinue. [Inaudible interjections and laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: When you are in Oppos ition— [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Sp eaker, how can you— The Speaker: Members! [Gavel] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: How can you make a mockery of an event — [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberShut up! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —that brought billionaires to Bermuda when you had the opportunity to rub shoulders with them? But the PLP said, Mr. Speaker— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —that they were going to boycott the event. Well, a lot of them said they boycotted the …
Shut up!
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —that brought billionaires to Bermuda when you had the opportunity to rub shoulders with them? But the PLP said, Mr. Speaker—
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —that they were going to boycott the event. Well, a lot of them said they boycotted the event, but a lot of them went up to the America’s Cup, Mr. Speaker. So, the nonsense that the Honourable Minister talked about last week . . . we do not agree with. I wanted to set the record straight.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWhat record are you setting straight? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That the PLP can rub shoulders with anyone they build relationships with. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is simple. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe know that! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is simple, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order. Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOne person has the microphone. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The PLP never stated that they were boycotting the America’s Cup. Never stated. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ] Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 197 Bermuda House …
One person has the microphone.
POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The PLP never stated that they were boycotting the America’s Cup. Never stated. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I am sorry, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member needs to withdraw that statement.
[Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes, man. Come on! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is my opinion.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersNo! No! No! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHe made a statement! [General uproar]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet’s . . . Let’s . . . Let’s try and turn it back a bit. Let’s try and turn it back a bit. Let’s turn it back. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerLet’s quiet it down. Let the Member finish his comments, and then anyone who wants to speak to rebut what he says, y ou have the full floor to get up and rebut what he says —when he finishes! Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerWhen he finishes. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker, moving on to the second comment from last week by the Honourable Premier. The Honourable Premier said that anyone can spend $100 million.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAmen. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Amen. There is no reason that any one could disagree with that comment, because it is easy to spend money. And you spend it with joy. Now, Mr. Speaker —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNo, you do not! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We have seen that by pol iticians for decades.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSpeak for yourself. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Some has been wort hwhile spending, some has been poor spending. But, Mr. Speaker, what is important when you spend $100 million (and I assume that he is referring to the Amer ica’s Cup, and that is where I want to get the …
Speak for yourself. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Some has been wort hwhile spending, some has been poor spending. But, Mr. Speaker, what is important when you spend $100 million (and I assume that he is referring to the Amer ica’s Cup, and that is where I want to get the correction) . . . if you spend the money, it has to be a wort hwhile investment, Mr. Speaker. And in that comment that the Honourable Premier made, he is totally discounting the PwC r eport that came up about the America’s Cup. Mr. Speaker, $64.1 million was spent, and it was $13 mi llion under budget, I believe, Mr. Speaker. Now, can you imagine if we had spent $13 million over the budget what an uproar that would have been? And I am coming to Cross Island, so do not worry about that, Honourable Member. The impact on GDP was $336 million, Mr. Speaker. I remind people because these are figures from the PwC report that the current Government did not dispute. Mr. Speaker, that is one dollar spent and $3.80 comes back into the Bermudian economy. It seems like a pretty wise investment, Mr. Speaker. Now, Mr. Speaker, if you add in future tourism spending, it is $5.25 put back into the economy. So, Mr. Speaker, that is a 525 per cent return on investment. Now, in anyone’s terms, that is a good idea. You are not getting it from bitcoin right now, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when you look at the value of that money —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHe sounds so dumb. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley : I heard that comment too, but you know that he is entitled to his opinion. That event was viewed by 452 million people around the world.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWhere are they now? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Four-hundred and fifty -two million people viewed that event —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Honourable Member is talking. One Member talks. CROSS ISLAND Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —around the world, in 163 countries, Mr. Speaker. That is a pretty broad scope of reach, Mr. Speaker. [There were] 22,000 news art icles printed about that. Over 76 countries, Mr. Speak-er! Mr. Speaker, we had …
The Honourable Member is talking. One Member talks.
CROSS ISLAND
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —around the world, in 163 countries, Mr. Speaker. That is a pretty broad scope of reach, Mr. Speaker. [There were] 22,000 news art icles printed about that. Over 76 countries, Mr. Speak-er! Mr. Speaker, we had 745 visiting yachts come to the Island. And so, Mr. Speaker, the impact of Amer ica’s Cup was money well spent. Now what about Cross Island, Mr. Speaker? Well, what about Cross Island? The Honourable Member who spoke two before me, from constitue ncy 5, Mr. Speaker, said, You know what ? And I am just transposing [it in] my words , that the Cross Island development started in another form under the current 198 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Government . So he really does not have much dis agreement with it, but the way the money was spent, because we have to pay it back. But that is an asset that we have, Mr. Speaker. That is an asset that we can use. That is an asset that people have looked at and are trying to find a way they can find a best way forward, Mr. Speaker. So, you know, I would love to see it put to good use, Mr. Speaker. And I think it will be. So, yes, anyone can spend $100 million. And we will stand up and defend our record in spending the $63 million for the America’s Cup and everything that was involved in it, Mr. Speaker.
ARBITRADE
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, the last comment that I want to deal with from last week, Mr. Speaker, is a comment by the Honourable Member from constit uency 29 again when he says, The owners of Arbitrade are ticked off that an MP would trash their name. Now, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Mem ber, when I challenged him in interpolation to use the words or the phrases that the Arbitrade personnel disagreed with, could not find the comments where I trashed him So, first, let me say Mr. Speaker, I will always endeavour whenever I speak on issues of importance to Bermuda or any issue affecting Bermuda to try to do it in the appropriate way. And I realise—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is not correct. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —just how fleeting—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is not correct. You do not do that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member who interpolates from . . . Mr. Speaker, he should be in his seat.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI have asked Members to hold their comments. They have a full opportunity when the Member sits down to do as he is doing, take the floor and express your opinion. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, have we had seat row organisation tonight because the Honourable Member …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGo on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, Mr. Speaker, I asked the Honourable Member from constituency 29 if he can find those comments, I will certainly apologise for those. Because there is at ti mes a delicate balance between asking questions, giving your views, and tr ying to get answers. …
Go on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, Mr. Speaker, I asked the Honourable Member from constituency 29 if he can find those comments, I will certainly apologise for those. Because there is at ti mes a delicate balance between asking questions, giving your views, and tr ying to get answers. But, Mr. Speaker, what is partic ularly concerning about all of this is they talk about, you know, owners of Arbitrade being upset about being trashed, which I di sagree with. But all that was done was ask questions. Ask questions directly to A rbitrade; they have not replied. Ask questions to indi-viduals on social media who pump up a business or a stock, and they will not reply. But you know what? When I asked a question directly to this person, all of a sudden, I started to get their social media feeds popping up programs they were involved in. And then when I told them who I was, they cut me off. And I said, Well, why not answer the questions?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberBecause you are a troll. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, if you cannot ask . . . if you cannot answer questions, it leads me to believe that you potentially are uncomfortable with the position you are in. Now, Mr. Speaker, in July, I asked the Honourable Premier (and …
Because you are a troll. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, if you cannot ask . . . if you cannot answer questions, it leads me to believe that you potentially are uncomfortable with the position you are in. Now, Mr. Speaker, in July, I asked the Honourable Premier (and I understand where he is t onight) questions about Arbitrade. I asked him whom he met with, asked him who the local principals are, asked him whom he met with at a Convergence co nference, I believe. The Premier could not answer at that time . That is acceptable. The Premier vowed to give a reply, and in spite of following up, has not fol-lowed up. So, Mr. Speaker, we as an Opposition, we have a responsibility. We have a responsibility to come to this place to debate legislation, while we have . . . and we have done it today. And I think we have had good debates on two pieces of legislation. But, Mr. Speaker, we also have the responsibility to ask questions. And if questions are not answered, you can assume a number of different things, Mr. Speaker. But one thing about my colleagues and me, we will keep asking those questions.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberFor yourself. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And since those questions have not been answered, we will continue to ask those questions. And in the case with th is business, Mr. Speaker, there is a lot that needs to be answered. And why do we ask these questions? We know how …
For yourself.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And since those questions have not been answered, we will continue to ask those questions. And in the case with th is business, Mr. Speaker, there is a lot that needs to be answered. And why do we ask these questions? We know how hard it is to get investment into Bermuda. We know how hard it is to get investment into Bermuda that passes the smell test. We all want to protect our reputation. We all want to make sure that as we move for-ward, we support the future well -being of Bermuda. We all want to make sure that as we move forward, Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 199
Bermuda House of Assembly everything that we do here passes the smell test of people all across the world. And we spend a lot of time talking about that, Mr. Speaker. And so we ask these questions to draw out answers. And if those answers are legitimate and pr ovide the information, this is fine. But when you cannot get answers, you have to ask questions. And if you look back at some of the businesses and some of the plans of these businesses, if you ask people in the community, they will tell you straight up that there is something funny there, Mr. Speaker. Now, I stand here tonight because I have been urged to contin ue to speak on this matter, Mr. Speaker. And I look forward to some clarity. And if I owe Arbitrade or anyone else an apology, I am man enough to give it to them, Mr. Speaker. Because sometimes you do not get it right and all you can do is ask questions. A nd when you get the answers, you have got to move forward. And so, the Government, instead of trying to not answer the questions, to run away from them and to disengage, I think it is best to come forward. B ecause transparency and accountability will also protect you with the sunshine of public scrutiny. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member . . . ? I recognise the Minister for National Security. Minister Caines, you have the floor. ARBITRADE Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, last November this country looked at the predicament that we were in with reference to our economy, looked …
Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member . . . ? I recognise the Minister for National Security. Minister Caines, you have the floor.
ARBITRADE
Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, last November this country looked at the predicament that we were in with reference to our economy, looked at the challenge that we had with tourism, with companies coming to Bermuda, the contraction of the reinsurance mark et, and the Premier of this country had to make a decision. He had to make a decision on a new path looking at things like where we were with economic substance, looking at what was going on with Brexit, being able to consider what was going on in our economy, preserving the reputation that we have with reinsurance, making sure that we are paying the at-tention to keeping these companies coming to Bermuda, managing immigration, and he made the dec ision to develop what we now know as the “Bermuda FinTech Plan.” If you look at the Bermuda FinTech Plan, it was never centred around cryptocurrencies. I have listened to the Opposition speak, I have read the Throne Speech, and on every occasion when they reference FinTech, they highlight their absolute ignorance as to the direction that this Government is going into. When you look at the companies that have set up in Bermuda, there are 44 companies that have set up businesses in Bermuda. Now let us talk about A rbitrade. We passed three pieces of legislation: 1) the ICO legislation. The ICO legislation was centred around how we raised money for initial coin offerings. That legislation . . . we discussed it with the Oppos ition. They came to our offices and we went through it line upon line. Guess what? When we had the discu ssion the Honourable Michael Dunkley was present. He did not ask one question.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNo. Hon. Wayne Caines: Not one question.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersNo, not one. Hon. Wayne Caines: We went around the room. We asked, Were there challenges wi th the legislation? What can we do to make it stronger? The majority of his team in the room highlighted what their challenges were. He said nothing when there was an opportunity for …
No, not one. Hon. Wayne Caines: We went around the room. We asked, Were there challenges wi th the legislation? What can we do to make it stronger? The majority of his team in the room highlighted what their challenges were. He said nothing when there was an opportunity for him to have an impact. Now, after the legislation is passed, he in his impish way hides behind his keyboard and becomes a “keyboard politician ”—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThere you go! Hon. Wayne Caines: —responding on Twitter, on Facebook. That is not how politicians question political decisions. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayn e Caines: That is not how we question decisions! [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne Caines: Arbitrade had the opportunity to go through their part of it through …
There you go! Hon. Wayne Caines: —responding on Twitter, on Facebook. That is not how politicians question political decisions. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Wayn e Caines: That is not how we question decisions!
[Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Wayne Caines: Arbitrade had the opportunity to go through their part of it through investigations through the Bermuda Monetary Authority. The Bermuda Monetary Authority is an independent financial entity.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is right. Hon. Wayne Caines: But you look at what they are doing in Bermuda. Nothing that they have done has come through the Progressive Labour Party. So, if this were a reinsurance company and we wer e trying to woo a reinsurance company coming to Bermuda, and a …
That is right.
Hon. Wayne Caines: But you look at what they are doing in Bermuda. Nothing that they have done has come through the Progressive Labour Party. So, if this were a reinsurance company and we wer e trying to woo a reinsurance company coming to Bermuda, and a former Premier of this country starts at every opportunity throwing stones, casting aspersions, tweeting, writing, would you not think that this was a concerted effort to castigate your busines s?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberDefinitely. 200 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne Caines: And he speaks of a delicate balance in our country? How he can speak of a del icate balance when he—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member, Honourable Member. Hon. Wayne Caines: —when the Honourable Member . . . how can he speak about protecting the infr astructure of this country when he is hell -bent on d estroying it? If there is a problem, it will show itself through the BMA. He should not …
Honourable Member, Honourable Member.
Hon. Wayne Caines: —when the Honourable Member . . . how can he speak about protecting the infr astructure of this country when he is hell -bent on d estroying it? If there is a problem, it will show itself through the BMA. He should not be going around casting aspersions on a company that has invested millio ns of dollars buying a building in Bermuda! There is a point. Either we respect the BMA’s decisions, or we do not. The Progressive Labour Party did not go out and hold their hand. We are not recei ving anything from them coming to our country. All of the companies that come to Bermuda go through the same vetting. They go through the vetting with the Registrar of Companies. They go through the vetting of the Bermuda Monetary Authority. So, when a Member says that because a black Government is bringing international business to Bermuda, and that Member does not like it and it has racial overtones, how can it not have racial overtones? How, when he went and brought in the Amer ica’s Cup it was business, when he brought in $100 million, he was being an astute busi nessman. But when we bring it to Bermuda, we are bringing in crim inals. Do you not see the underlying undertones in that Member’s statements?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersThat’s right. That is correct. Hon. Wayne Caines: This Government, through the leadership of the Honourable David Burt, has brought in 44 FinTech companies to these beloved Isles. And guess what? Where are the jobs ? they [ask]. Have you ever seen a company in one day get 44 jobs? …
That’s right. That is correct.
Hon. Wayne Caines: This Government, through the leadership of the Honourable David Burt, has brought in 44 FinTech companies to these beloved Isles. And guess what? Where are the jobs ? they [ask]. Have you ever seen a company in one day get 44 jobs? Do you understand the challenges that we are facing with the banking legislation, and that all these companies are struggling to open up bank accounts in this coun-try? And we are going back to the same statement to understand the same oligarchy that we are fighting? We have the opportunity to do something di fferent. And w e often hear the people that sit across from us using these hallowed words, that, We are in it together. It is for Bermuda incorporated. And they sing that when they talk about tourism and when it suits their interests. But when this Government does everything in their power to change the lives of everyone in this country, what do they do? They get on Twitter, they go on the news and they dog and besmirch the very things that we are trying to make our country be tter.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is right. Hon. Wa yne Caines: You must practice what you preach, Mr. Speaker.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersYes. Hon. Wayne Caines: This is an opportunity for us to not speak with forked tongues, for us to work hard as a country. How can we not be given the opportunity to change thi ngs around in our country, but we only do it when it is the BTA. …
Yes.
Hon. Wayne Caines: This is an opportunity for us to not speak with forked tongues, for us to work hard as a country. How can we not be given the opportunity to change thi ngs around in our country, but we only do it when it is the BTA. But when we are trying to do it with FinTech, there is a problem. We must be bringing in criminals, and that is why he sits in Opposition. He does not even understand from that which he speak s.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member. Hon. Wayne Caines: The Honourable Member does not even understand the concept of white supremacy. He does not understand that when a person has the opportunity to do things differently, by the very colour and the nature of who they are, they think that a subset of people …
Honourable Member. Hon. Wayne Caines: The Honourable Member does not even understand the concept of white supremacy. He does not understand that when a person has the opportunity to do things differently, by the very colour and the nature of who they are, they think that a subset of people do not have the qualifications to do it! That is white supremacy.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is what it is. Hon. Wayne Caines: That is at the heart of his statements.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNow keep it in general, not at any individual. Keep it in general, but no individual. Hon. Wayne Caines: We have the opportunity to do something different. And just like he thought it was vision to do the Bermuda Tourism Authority, we think it is a vision to bring FinTech …
Now keep it in general, not at any individual. Keep it in general, but no individual. Hon. Wayne Caines: We have the opportunity to do something different. And just like he thought it was vision to do the Bermuda Tourism Authority, we think it is a vision to bring FinTech to Bermuda, and we are not going to apologise to him.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is right. Hon. Wayne Caines: Tell him to keep digging and find himself something to do instead of being idle. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Desk thumping]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers! Members! We recognise the Minister of Tourism. Honourable Member, you have the floor. DOCKYARD PREFAB HOUSES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to start from where our honourable colleague finished off. He just made a statement, you know, or told him …
Members! Members! We recognise the Minister of Tourism. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
DOCKYARD PREFAB HOUSES
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to start from where our honourable colleague finished off. He just made a statement, you know, or told him to keep digging . You know what that Honourable Member needs to do, Mr. Speaker? This morning we had a Ministerial Stat ement made by the Minister of Works. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 201
Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: That is right.
Another Hon. Member: Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De S ilva: Colonel Burch. Why does he not take his time—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and find out, the Ho nourable Member, do some investigating as to why it cost $25 million for 20 homes up in Dockyard?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberUnder his watch. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Under his watch! Why doesn’t he talk to that? I would have thought after that royal flogging this morning from the Colonel, and this information that has come to light for the first time for the people of this country, that …
Under his watch.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Under his watch! Why doesn’t he talk to that? I would have thought after that royal flogging this morning from the Colonel, and this information that has come to light for the first time for the people of this country, that we would have had a motion to adjourn speech by the former Premier explaining why. But no! He wants to talk about Arbitrade. And let me state for the record, Mr. Speaker. Arbitrade are listening again tonight.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And the Honourable Member says, Good. And he says, When have you heard me dis him? When you have you heard me castigate Arbitrade? Now let me point some things out to you, Mr. Speaker, because this is how they work. Okay? And I talked about this last week and this was an article with the Honourable Member’s picture.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes. ARBITRADE Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will quote “The press comments by Arbitrade raise more red flags than a hurricane on South Shore.” Now, Mr. Speaker, what do you think that says about Arbitrade? Oh, we welcome them here; that’s great! We are putting up some green …
Yes.
ARBITRADE
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will quote “The press comments by Arbitrade raise more red flags than a hurricane on South Shore.” Now, Mr. Speaker, what do you think that says about Arbitrade? Oh, we welcome them here; that’s great! We are putting up some green flags! No! It raises red flags. More than a hurricane on South Shore. What is that saying about Arbitrade?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHe does not understand. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: If that is not dissing som ebody, what is? And then they do it sneakily. And he did it tonight. And I will quote. The Honourable Member when he spoke just a few minutes ago said that we need to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberCan you imagine? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He is talking about A rbitrade! So, he is not calling them crooks. He is not calling them thieves in the night.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberInference. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But do you know what he is say ing? We need to protect our reputation against people like Arbitrade. So what is he saying? What does the Arbitrade board, who is listening right now, think about that? What do they think about when …
Inference.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But do you know what he is say ing? We need to protect our reputation against people like Arbitrade. So what is he saying? What does the Arbitrade board, who is listening right now, think about that? What do they think about when they heard him say, We want to make sure they pass the smell test?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberCan you imagine? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Pass the smell test, Mr. Speaker! You see, this is what I am talking about when that Honourable Member casts aspersions against a company that just bought a building in this country for millions of dollars, and they promise jobs, whether …
Can you imagine?
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Pass the smell test, Mr. Speaker! You see, this is what I am talking about when that Honourable Member casts aspersions against a company that just bought a building in this country for millions of dollars, and they promise jobs, whether they be non- Bermudian or Bermudian. And the Honourable Member says that he asks questions, but he does not get any answers. He has had a whole week to ask me a question. I have told him that Arbitrade are listening last week and again this week. Let me see if he calls me tomorrow and says, Listen, can you give me that contact? I would like to call them.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNo, he is going to be tweeting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : But he will jump on Twitter and talk all that stuff. Like, I am not going to castigate him, but you know what? We need to protect our reputation and, you know, we have to see …
No, he is going to be tweeting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : But he will jump on Twitter and talk all that stuff. Like, I am not going to castigate him, but you know what? We need to protect our reputation and, you know, we have to see if they pass the smell test. What the heck do you think the BMA did? Do they not check their backgrounds, Mr. Speaker? Do they not do their due diligence on companies that come to the country before they give them permission to come in? He also mentioned bitcoin just now. And it was not in a favourable manner, was it, colleagues, on both sides? Did I hear the Honourable Member say, That’s great. The Progressive Labour Party are looking at bitcoin. No, it was not in that vein, was it? But that is what they do. Arbitrade has said, Listen. Once we get set up and running, we want to help you with your seniors. We want to help you with your gangs. They have made that commitment. They have shown faith and confidence—another word that they like to throw around. You notice all of a sudden now they are tal king about lack of confidence in Bermu da. Well, the people we talked to, the 44 [companies] registered in Bermuda, what about their confidence? But they will start that. They will talk about the debt. They will talk 202 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly about confidence. But do you know what? That might have worked in 2012, it ain ’t working no more. They talk about jobs. Where are the jobs from Arbitrade? We heard in 2012, We are going to create 2,000 jobs for Bermudians. And we know they lost 2,000. That is 4,000 jobs. But they have got to talk about, Where are the jobs that Arbi trade said that they are going to give to the country? They had four and a half years. They lost 2,000 jobs, Mr. Speaker. So let me . . . Mr. Speaker, let me finish on this note. I told them last week, and especially that Honourable Member in particular, a nd I will repeat it again this week. Stop! Stop what you accused us of earlier, about the bogeyman and scaremongering and all that. Stop it! Because there are . . . and I will apo logise to Arbitrade and the other 43 companies that have signed up, Mr. Speak er, under a PLP Gover nment. I will apologise to them. I am going to apologise to them for some of the things they hear from those Honourable Members —not all of them. But I will apologise because if more than Arbitrade are listening, I want them to know that they are welcome in this country.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThank you! [Desk thumping] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I hope that they do not let that rhetoric stop them from continuing on looking at business opportunities, and other opportunities, in Bermuda. And, Mr. Speaker, I say this with all sincer ity. Stop! Just stop it!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from St. George’s. Honourable Member Swan. ROLL OF THE O PPOSITION
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanYes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to reiterate a very important point with regard to Bermuda and the position that we find ourselves in. This point is that the recession that hit Bermuda in 2009 was not of the making of the workers of Bermuda. It …
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to reiterate a very important point with regard to Bermuda and the position that we find ourselves in. This point is that the recession that hit Bermuda in 2009 was not of the making of the workers of Bermuda. It was not the fault of the Progressive Labour Party. It was borne out of decisions made in the business community, globally and locally, many of whom escaped scrutiny. Many of whom have spent time in recent y ears trying to recoup on poor decisions that they made. I think it is important to reiterate the Bermuda recession because in the [context] of when that reces-sion was at its worse, the Government of that time, the Progressive Labour Party Government, found itself in the midst of a very difficult quandary. Leading up to that period, I saw a modus operandi [with which] I am all too familiar. In 2006, 2005, 2007, I think very few people would argue that Bermuda enjoyed unprecedented success, financially. I th ink the period leading up to that was probably the most buoyant, economically, that Bermuda could possibly remember. And there was a concerted effort to . . . and I will declare my i nterest. I was in political opposition. I knew nothing of being in governm ent. Although I supported a gover nment, I was not in the legislature until 1998 and served for 14 years in Opposition. I think I am probably one of the most experienced Opposition persons in Bermuda. Save and except for those who spent 30odd years in Opposition prior to 1998. I mention them because that is who I learned from. I took the time to study what they had to offer the Government of that time, which I supported. They offered solutions. They offered many, many solutions. And I would encourage the current Opposition to go back and study the Progressive Labour Party Opposition, as I did when I came into the legislature in 1998. Exactly around 20 years ago. And look at the speeches of the late L. Frederick Wade and the late Dame Lois Browne- Evans (Mrs. Browne -Evans at that time). and Mr. C. Eugene Cox, who were the authors of the Throne Speech replies and the Budget replies of that day. Look at the number of solutions that were offered. And take a page out of that book, Mr. Speaker. I think you would understand that because you are the most senior person in the legislature, in this House. Whilst I ran in 1983, I did not come into this House until 1998 and spent 14 years in Oppos ition. But what I hear from the Opposition today, I un-derstand that playbook a little bit better than they. I participated in it. And I know, sow the seeds of discontent in Bermuda every chance you get!
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAbsolutely. Another Hon. Member: Yes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanSow it! Cause the divide in this country becaus e that is where the Achilles heel of black people lie. And if you can find black people to do it, so much the better. It is true. I encourage the current Opposition, who has in my opinion, insurmountable difficulties to …
Sow it! Cause the divide in this country becaus e that is where the Achilles heel of black people lie. And if you can find black people to do it, so much the better. It is true. I encourage the current Opposition, who has in my opinion, insurmountable difficulties to overcome, internally, do not take that same playbook that was used in 2007, 2008. What would that playbook be? There were pundits. I heard someone come up in the House, it was the Honourable Member Mr. Sylvan Richards, made a statement . . . he is not here, but I am not mentioning this in a derogatory sense. But he mentioned that Mr. Bob Richards was the one that was forecasting a recession. It was not Mr. Bob Richards that forecasted a recession coming. It was Mr. Gregory Slayton and Mr. Phil Butterfield. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 203
Bermuda House of Assembly I remember when they approached me down at the Royal Hamilton Amateur Dinghy Club at a function and said, Listen, can you come on board? We have a Bermuda First initiative that we feel is necessary because there is a recession coming. Mr. Slayton was a man in the financial world who is deeply r espected, highly respected. And they went out and they recruited Mr. Donald Kramer to be the person to go to the business community. Dr. [Ewart] Brown was the Premier. You know my relationship with Dr. Brown at that particular time. You know, I was the Opposition Leader. He was the Premier of the day. I was . . . as an Opposition Member, I went after him. But on that particular occasion, given that it was necessary for Bermuda to craft a way forward to head off this recession, we held hands. And all the records will show that an Opposition at that particular time did not go out of step and betray the trust of working towards Bermuda First. It did not happen. It did not happen. We worked together. We participated in bringing the business community and the political entities together. I encourage you to go back and look. But I can tell you this. Political rhetoric was still coming that it was the PLP’s fault that people were leaving Bermuda.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat’s right.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanIt was, it was said. And, it was an easy argument to sell from a political stand-point of view. Right? It is an easy argument to sell, because people were uncomfortable about Bermuda’s climate. But they were not going to tell you that their boards had made dec isions that …
It was, it was said. And, it was an easy argument to sell from a political stand-point of view. Right? It is an easy argument to sell, because people were uncomfortable about Bermuda’s climate. But they were not going to tell you that their boards had made dec isions that compromised their very existence. Ask yourself, did the PLP have the power to cause AIG to change its name to Chartis? You will not read about that too highly in the Royal Gazette. You won’t. But it is the truth. The PLP would have the power t o cause XL to go down to about $2.00 in shares.
[Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanAnd bring in a heavy hi tter, Mr. Mike McGavick to claw them out of a hole. And the people of Bermuda were feeling the brunt of this. And when companies like British American, where persons who worked there for years lost ever ything, their pensions and everything. And persons …
And bring in a heavy hi tter, Mr. Mike McGavick to claw them out of a hole. And the people of Bermuda were feeling the brunt of this. And when companies like British American, where persons who worked there for years lost ever ything, their pensions and everything. And persons who had put their money in gas tubes , like my momma, they lost all of that. Where was all of that?
[Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanLehman Brothers and Sonesta. Oh, boy! Fire sale of the century came up a little bit longer. Right? [Inaudible interjection]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat’s right. [Inau dible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanRight? Enron. Right? Madoff. All under our noses! All happening in that perfect storm. And yes, as an Opposition . . . oh yes, it was easy to pin the tail on the PLP. And people believe that, really.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes, they sure did.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanAnd when you look at . . . and the Honourable Member Zane De Silva . . . and you people talk about consistency. When I used to try to jam the PLP up on that score, persons used to come with that l ong list, because I was in …
And when you look at . . . and the Honourable Member Zane De Silva . . . and you people talk about consistency. When I used to try to jam the PLP up on that score, persons used to come with that l ong list, because I was in the House then . . . they used to come with that long list and [say], Look, look at the fast ferries that you criticised. Remember that? Look at the Dockyard. Look at the Dockyard. Look at Perimeter Lane. Look at Butterfield Lane . Look at this! And all those . . . this infrastructure that you can still find today.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat’s right. Another Hon. Member: Anchorage View. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanAnd Anchorage View. Oh, yes! I know Anchorage View very well. And so . . . but what really caused the debt to escalate . . . the recession. Because the Government of the day had to make a choice. Were they going to send people home? There was a …
And Anchorage View. Oh, yes! I know Anchorage View very well. And so . . . but what really caused the debt to escalate . . . the recession. Because the Government of the day had to make a choice. Were they going to send people home? There was a recession in the 1990s when the UBP Government sent p eople home. Everybody remembers that. That is why Portuguese voters went with the PLP in 1998. Because it was a Progressive Labour Party led by decisions made by the late Dame Lois Browne- Evans, who was looking out for all workers, you know.
Some Hon. Me mbers: That’s right.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanI learnt that as Opposition Leader when I used to go around to the annual event around where Rosebank Theatre used to be down at West End Mariner’s Club. They had that annual thing for the unions, and realise d that, you know, a union is a union is a …
I learnt that as Opposition Leader when I used to go around to the annual event around where Rosebank Theatre used to be down at West End Mariner’s Club. They had that annual thing for the unions, and realise d that, you know, a union is a union is a union. Just that in Bermuda where people look at union and think black, but union represents any seaman that falls afoul anywhere in the world. 204 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly And what I am trying to say is, you know, people of Bermuda, and Opposition, we need to sort through what political expediencies are, and what the reality is. The reality is that we have an Opposition today trying to make itself relevant. And it would be easy if it could circumvent some good initiatives. See the Honourable Member, Mr. Caines? Honourable Member Caines and the Honourable Premier have been traveling. They have not been traveling frivolously (and other Ministers). They have been doing necessary work as a result of what is r equired internationally for this countr y and also to bring us some business that is much needed in an emergency merging industry. We are on the front end. Other countries are copying our example with the Digital Asset [Business] Bill. So, when you have a former Premier who would understand how to, you know, be politically mischievous as good as anybody, and, as a cons equence, there is a time when you have got to take a statesman’s approach. There is a time when an O pposition has got to take an approach that is consistent with the needs of the country. And I do not see it! I see you using the same playbook that the Opposition used in 2007, 2008, and 2009. Okay? I see it. I can feel it. I understand it. I helped to deliver it. And what I am saying is that for the current Opposition Leader, I am as king you, if you really want to look at solutions, do not go with that same pla ybook. There is another Opposition that you can study. The same one that I studied. And let me tell you this. for those who might snicker. When the UBP, who only could garner 22 per cent of the black vote in this country, mathematically . . . you say, Corral all the white vote and let’s see if we can find 20 or so, 22 per cent. In order to win a seat that was 85 per cent black , a person had to go out and find 45 . . . had to defy that logic, had to defy that logic. What I am saying is this: The Opposition t oday is irrelevant, and it is trying to find some type of relevancy by hindering the agenda of the Gover nment. And I am here to tell you that I understand that playbook. Find another play. Find another play! It is transparent, it is consistent, and it is detrimental to the progress of this country, especially given the dysfunc-tionalism when it comes to race, that no one really wants to talk about, economic disparity, that no one wants to talk about, and the adverse effect of this country’s systematic embracement of the status quo, how it adversely affected black people yesterday, t oday, and unless we change it, tomorrow. We must change that. And the Opposition, One Bermuda, what ever you want to call yourselves, have a role to play in that. But it will not be a proper contributor if you continue to embrace the same pla ybook that was used during the leadup and through the recession. Because let me tell you this in closing, Mr. Speaker. When a government finds itself in the grips of a recession, that some are hoping will appear to cause the PLP the same bother, so that they can get past making some fundamental changes in this coun-try, a government who has [been] unable to operate in a surplus, will easily . . . $200,000 in deficit spending, times four years, is $800,000. And that is a reality. And when the Honourable Member, Mr. De Silva, points out this, if I left you 1.2, and it is now double that amount, look at the circumstances of the debt and the reasons why the debt was caused. That had to be created during the PLP administration.
[Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. SwanAnd nobody wants to look back. This country has not had a proper social ec onomic audit of that period. That is why I am so . . . and some people do not want that because their fingerprints are all over it. And they got a bypass of it. …
And nobody wants to look back. This country has not had a proper social ec onomic audit of that period. That is why I am so . . . and some people do not want that because their fingerprints are all over it. And they got a bypass of it. They were in the board rooms. They were doubling up on decision- making. And it annoys me because, you know what? When the Honourable Member makes references to billionaires, what he is really talking about is that you can wear two hats in a conservative Bermuda Government, call yourselves whatever! But if you are labour, man oh man, you cannot be the head of this and be the head of that. You just can’t. It just cannot happen. Why? Because it fits into what we have to untangle. I spend my life as a teacher, either trying to teach fundamentals from the start, or using those same fundamentals to untangle a tangled weave . OBA, you are a tangled weave. My grandpa used to say, You either gotta cut the line, or have the patience to untangle the ball. I just happen to be that fool that understands how to untangle a ball. And it does not happen, but I understand what a tangled ball looks like, and I see one on the other side of Boundary Lane. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI recognise the Honourable Leader of the Opposition. [Crosstalk]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMr. Opposition Leader, it looks like you are getting a lot of atte ntion tonight. [Laughter] ROLL OF THE OPPOSITION Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Honourable Members speaking and circulating secret documents. I keep saying, Be careful what you pray for. I’ve seen your secret documents. Official Hansar d Report 23 …
Mr. Opposition Leader, it looks like you are getting a lot of atte ntion tonight.
[Laughter]
ROLL OF THE OPPOSITION
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Honourable Members speaking and circulating secret documents. I keep saying, Be careful what you pray for. I’ve seen your secret documents. Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 205
Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. L. C raig Cannonier: So—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSpeak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: You see?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSpeak to the Chair. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I had not even said a word—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers, Members. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —I just stood up. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And the calling for peace, and I just stood up. That is all I did; stand up. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am the guy. We’re gonna pick on him. It’s okay.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSpeak to the Chair. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I appr eciate all of the . . . some of the comments that have been made— The Speaker: Mr. Allen. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —and I appreciate where—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMr. Allen. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: —people—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSergeant! Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I appreciate where many Members are coming from. I also appreciate the fact that sometimes when we get up and speak and we have something to say and we say, Well, the other fellow is being political.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But yet for ourselves, we fail to recognise that in many things we might be sa ying, we also are being political. And that is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, because I have heard many Members say, Oh, well, it …
Thank you. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But yet for ourselves, we fail to recognise that in many things we might be sa ying, we also are being political. And that is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, because I have heard many Members say, Oh, well, it is not personal. It is because you are the Leader. As we just heard, [I NAUDIBLE 04:56:08] It has nothing to do with you, but you know . . . it is not personal, but you know, we got to bring you down. And these are actual comments that have been made to me over the years. So I can appreciate the thrust of politics and sometimes the strategies that parties wil l employ to bring out . . . not necessarily bring down, but I am not in favour of that. But, certai nly, to bring out inconsistencies. At the Parliamentary Breakfast we were told about signs. I want to concentrate on those signs. B ecause one of the things that I have learned throughout my business career is that it is not always easy. You go through your highs and your lows, and things are wonderful at one time. And then you may be stru ggling at another time. But unless you face the signs, and the actual predicament that you are in at that very point in time, it becomes difficult to come up with sol utions. And so I took to heart what Bishop Lambe had to say about the signs.
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, and we are getting interpolations already about misreading them. It goes to the state of mind which I am actually talking about, because if you were listening to him, you would not make such a silly comment.
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: But the silly comment s continue. [Inaudible interjection]
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: So—
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: No one is getting personal here, you are the one getting personal. I am just tal king about the signs, Mr. Speaker.
[Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSpeak to the Chair. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: If he wants me to get personal, I will.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo, no. 206 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Retail sales, we know, we are challenged. The GDP, we know we are challenged there. Salaries, we know we are challenged there. Confidence, we know we are challenged there. And so what Bermuda …
No, no.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Retail sales, we know, we are challenged. The GDP, we know we are challenged there. Salaries, we know we are challenged there. Confidence, we know we are challenged there. And so what Bermuda needs is . . . it certainly needs a Parliament that is going to be seeking out answers to these challenges that we have. And I think we have heard very clearly fr om our Government, the long-term strategy that they have with FinTech. And to be sure, I want the Minister to know, that we are also rooting for him that, long- term, this plays out. We have heard comments about how we have been in other industries and it took time. And I believe that this will take time. And I think we are all hoping that this industry, as we call FinTech, will take a hold, because we believe that an industry like that will hire , per se, middle class Bermudians who pay for the goods that the upper class and their businesses have, but will also take care of the lower class as well out of their pocket and through the taxes that they pay, and the likes. So the middle class of any society is vitally important. My concern today is, as my kids have always said, here and now. Yes, we need to be looking out for the future. But what are we doing about here and right now? So what I continue to hear, here and right now, are strategies and the OBA trying to untangle itself. You know, we are on a journey here. And it is easy to look at someone else and say, Well, you know, you are tangled, and the likes. But I can assure the Honourable Member who spoke just prior to me, and I think he remembers the first conversation that we actually had together severa l years ago. He does not need to be worrying about whether or not I, as the Leader, am going down some strategy or road that he may have been involved in when he was the leader of a party. That certainly is not the route and the place that I am going. And I made it clear back then, that was how I felt about the strategies I saw being employed amongst the parties at the time. So, you know, I am hoping that this Government will find a way to deal with the signs that we see right now, here and right now. One of the challenges that we had when we became Government in December 2012, was that many of the situations that we were dealing with caused a bit of urgency amongst the initial Cabinet. It was, Listen, we have got to get something done and we got to get something done right now. We saw the signs, and we saw that people were really hurting and in pain. And, after having gone through a recession . . . many of us in this room who have our own bus inesses, know what that is like. We saw many of our friends go out of business. Hundreds of people lost their jobs, maybe thousands we could say. Unemployment was at its highest back then. And so there was a sense of urgency about, What was it that we needed to do? Now, we can certainly have our squabbles amongst ourselves, within parties. And we certainly have played that out in the public, and you have seen them. But I have also see the Government of today play out some of its challenges as well internally that it has. So, besides that, though, the real issue is, What are we doing about here and now? What are we doing about the people who are, right now, not making it? It is a difficulty. And every one of us here in this room comes into contact with several of those people daily. Daily! Some of us in this room are helping people to get groceries on a regular basis, just to help. Some of us in these four walls, in this House of A ssembly, Mr. Speaker, are struggling even ourselves, just to keep the lights on, per se. So I do not believe that when we get up into the thrust of this Parliament House . . . I think som etimes we get so concerned about how we are going to be speaking to one another that we forget that we are here on behalf of the people who are needy, on behalf of the people who are looking for a promise and a hope for tomorrow. And so we get into the cut and the thrust of sometimes personalities, sometimes because it boils down to ethnicity. Yet at the same time, Mr. Speaker, I believe that each and every person up here is looking to fix our current situation . And so, the urgency of 2012, when we became Government, was that we needed to get people working as quickly as possible. We needed to get it happening. Some may not have liked the projects and the likes, but we do know that as we look at it today many of those projects were a success. They have people working today. They are still producing jobs today on the initiatives that we put into place. But I am imploring this Government to please not forget to look at the current situation today and the signs tha t are there, today. Not in a bogeyman way, but to simply look at the signs to help guide where we need to be going to help today. Because if retail sale are down, and they have been down consecutively, month on month, then there is a problem. What is stimu lating that? What is causing that? If GDP is down, if salaries are down . . . we saw the reports that salaries are down by $15 million, confidence is down. These are indicators that say we need to do som ething about the right here and now. And I am not hearing how we are going to deal with today. How are we going to deal with tomorrow? I hear what we are wor king on for the next couple of years, but I need to u nderstand, and Bermuda needs to know, how are we going to get people working today? That is what we want to hear. So half of tonight, really we have gone back and forth, and you know, I have heard . . . most of us here in this House of Assembly have heard these things over and over and over —us going at each ot her over and over and over. What we need to hear, and what the listening Bermuda needs to know, is how are Official Hansar d Report 23 November 2018 207
Bermuda House of Assembly we going to give these things today. Because people are losing their homes, today. Their jobs, today. They cannot buy groceries, today. And so without pointing fingers, without trying to have anyone looking as if they are being attacked, what are we going to do? So we had the Throne Speech and we had the Throne Speech Reply. And I believe that amongst the two there were a lot of solutions to some of the things that we can do. Now what we need to do is move towards working on what those are. That is what we need to do. So I go back to the signs. I am not trying to . . . I am trying to set a reality in that we all know, so that when we come into this House, you know the r eality of what is going on out there right now. And we need to bear that in mind every time we come into this House. The reality is that people are losing their jobs, and they cannot find one. And I know . . . I am sure immediate Members . . . I mean, I got a son -in-law, he has been sitting there . . . it has been a year, still has not found a job. He got his degree. He still cannot find a job. We need to relieve that situation. And let me remind everyone, since we always like to . . . you know, some people do not have to worry about it. I am talking about a black family just trying to make it. And the truth is, I am co ming into contact with white families who are just trying to make it , as well. And so we have got to find a way. And I know there are some good minds across there t hat are wil ling to cross the divide to figure out how we come to some solutions. So my advice is this: I am seeing some of the good, bad and ugly. I have said before. I just want to see some folks in here take the high road every so often. If you feel like something is getting to you, you can ignore it. Get to the solution of the issues that we are having right now. Do not get so hyped up into the [cut] and thrust of what you think might be contentious and the likes, because there is a whole lot of that mud to be thrown around. There is plenty of it. Let’s figure out what we are going to do now. I wanted to say, if the Premier is listening, I realise that it is birthday today. I did not get an invite to the party, but —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. L. C raig Cannonier: I do know the house that maybe he is having the party in very well. But I do want to wish him Happy Birthday. And I am hoping that as we move forward that we are going to see a bit of, Mr. Speaker, and I am encouraging you to help us, to keep a line and length, as we debate on how we fix Bermuda today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Deputy Premier, who will close us out. Thank you, Deputy. ROLL OF THE OPPOSITION Hon. Walter H. Roba n: Yes, I will. Mr. Speaker, I guess, as usual, the motion to adjourn brings about certain surprises and interesting commentary. And I must …
Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Deputy Premier, who will close us out. Thank you, Deputy. ROLL OF THE OPPOSITION
Hon. Walter H. Roba n: Yes, I will. Mr. Speaker, I guess, as usual, the motion to adjourn brings about certain surprises and interesting commentary. And I must say that . . . hmm, no, I will not say that. But what I will say is this: What the m otion to adjourn often does is reveal some of the clear, stark realities of where we are in this House. And I have listened to the Opposition Leader, one of the two speakers who have spoken tonight from their side, and I guess I cannot really come back from the view that I have had alr eady, which is that I am not sure I am seeing sustainability on the other side. I am seeing perhaps a road to extinction. But time will tell. And as I said last week, they are one less Member, but closer to a zero. And I have to reiterate that point becaus e what I have seen tonight is two different types of approach to the roles and respons ibilities that the other side has in this House. It opened with a very antagonistic, accusatory and, frankly, unhelpful presentation, and a reiteration of an ongoing play from a certain Member of this House. But I also saw it last week when we had the issue of . . . the Throne Speech debate. How there was a convenient effort to get up and have their say, when you yourself invited Members of this House to have their say before the Honourable Premier closed out. My problem is this, Mr. Speaker, with that ep isode, but what seems to be a continuing episode by at least one Member of the Opposition. It is a disr espect, but a use of the House to force and promote an agenda that is not complimentary to what, I think, more people in this House want to participate in, which is dealing with the issues that the country faces. By virtue of the conduct and behaviour of that Honourable Member, I did not see that. And the di sturbing thin g is that it appears as if the Opposition Leader ended on a very honourable and noble pos ition tonight —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —with his articulation. But that is not how his bench started. And it was almost as if part of what he was saying was to clean up that. But that is an ongoing weekly saga. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Walter H. Roban: An ongoing weekly saga …
Yes.
Hon. Walter H. Roban: —with his articulation. But that is not how his bench started. And it was almost as if part of what he was saying was to clean up that. But that is an ongoing weekly saga.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Walter H. Roban: An ongoing weekly saga in this House. The soap opera that seems to exist on Reid Street, I do not . . . you know, whether there is a belief . . . now, I do not know whether, I do not know if they caucus or not, or whether they talk or communicate. Maybe that is the plan. But it is not contributory to the environment that I certainly believe that the O pposition Leader is seeking to promote, at least since 208 23 November 2018 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly he has come to the office again, is professing to pr omote. What did we see tonight? We saw a castigation of the efforts of the . . . or suspicion, or questioning some of the efforts that the Government is putting around FinTech. But the Oppos ition Leader says he actually supports, or at least encourages, the efforts of FinTech. We see what was referred to earlier, an effort by a Member to set . . . the setting of division wit hin, certainly, the Government benches. But the Opp osition Leader professes to want us to work in unity and get along. Contradictory. But that lack of unity in message, at least in presentation in this House, is for the Opposition Leader to sort out in his house. That is not the business of the Government to fix for them. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Walter H. Roban: But we have seen other things, Mr. Speaker. We continue to hear messaging that rejects our efforts to reform health care, to make it affordable for our people. We see a rejection of the efforts, or certainly cold water spilt on our efforts, to deal with attacking the cost of living in a legitimate way, whether it be through efforts in living wage or other methods that we are trying to deploy, to try and change the situation for the people in this country. Now, I have said it before, and I do not like repeating myself, because I actually prefer to concen-trate my time on what the Government is doing, not on what the Opposition is doing. Because that is really what my job is, to focus on the Government’s work, bring it to this House, and work with my colleagues to see that it is done. Not on the antics, or the confusion, or the mayhem that the Opposition, presumably, or certain Members of the Opposition, seeks to bring to this House. Because I know what every Member on this side is concentrating on. They are concentrating on delivering an agenda; that agenda which was pr esented to the country in July of 2017, through repeat ed Throne Speeches, through the Throne Speech that was pr esented to the country two weeks ago, and to the legi slation that we brought to this House today, and we will continue to bring. That is our focus. But there seems to be an element that is not aligned, presumably, with the vision of their leadership to do something else up here on the other side. Our Members who are part of the Robin Hood Corner, are articulating how they feel they fit into this process. And we will work with our colleagues who, just because the House is not big enough, to have us all on one side of the House, sit over there.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou have been there before. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Absolutely. I know what the Backbench is and what its role is. And I greatly depend on my PLP Members who sit in that little corner to make sure that I can be successful, that the ot her Members of my …
You have been there before.
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Absolutely. I know what the Backbench is and what its role is. And I greatly depend on my PLP Members who sit in that little corner to make sure that I can be successful, that the ot her Members of my Cabinet who I sit with, can be successful. They are essential to our process. We cannot be successful as a Gover nment without working with them. That is a fact. And that is on the principle and the basis that this Go vernment has always worked on and will continue to work on. So as an Honourable Member of our side said earlier, Don’t waste your time. Because we work as a team together. We are also a family, so we have the things that families go on with too. But we are a team in this House. And that will remain, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes, sir. Another Hon. Member: Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I will end with this, the act or the play that resides at Reid Street still seems to be trying to sort out what its role is in this partic ular place. Because there is a lot of confusion …
Yes, sir.
Another Hon. Member: Yes.
Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I will end with this, the act or the play that resides at Reid Street still seems to be trying to sort out what its role is in this partic ular place. Because there is a lot of confusion that articulates from over that side. The Government hopes that they will be . . . as the Premier articulated last week, we have some serious agenda items coming to this House around tax reform, around healt h care reform. And whether they will be prepared to stand with us and take some of the hard decisions and choices that the country has to face around these issues, remains to be seen. And we look forward to seeing that group sort themselves out so that the y can be prepared to walk with the Government with the tough choices that they presum-ably understand that we have to face, we will have to deal with. I look forward to seeing that happen, if they can get their act together to be a part of it.
[Crosstalk]
Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am looking at the Oppos ition. They are led by that honourable gentleman. He has a prominent . . . lack of ident ification , then he needs to sort that out himself.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Walter H. Roban: Seemingly, he wanted the job, so he has got it, Mr. Speaker —
[Crosstalk ] Hon. Walter H. Roban: So, Mr. Speaker, they need to sort themselves out so that they can participate in the process. If they believe that we do need a fairer and better Bermuda. Thank you.
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Bermuda House of Assembly The Spe aker: The House now stands adjourned until Friday next, at 10:00 am. Members, have a good weekend.
[Gavel] [At 7:18 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 30 November 2018.]