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March 9, 2018

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 9, 2018
Session 2017/2018
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545 speeches from 27 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Members, the Minutes for the sitting of the 5th of [March] have been circulated. Are ther e any amendments or corrections? No amendments, no corrections ? The Minutes have been approved. [Minutes of 5 March 2018 confirmed]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes of [ March] 7 th have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. This morning I would like to announce that we have received communication from two Members. The Government Whip, Mr. Lawrence Scott, and MP Rolfe Commissiong are both absent today. SESSIONAL COMMIT TEES AND STANDING COMMITTEE S—UPDATE
The Speaker The Speaker Also, I would like to make mention of some changes to some of the Standing Committees and Sessional Committees, mainly due to the fact that MP Michael Weeks is now Minister Weeks, and the boards of the stan ding committees that he sat on . . . he has to …
The Speaker The Speaker I would also like to acknowledge the fact that we hav e some Youth Parliament members in with us this morning as pages. We have two, young Mr. Simeon Pearman and Ms. Veronica DeGraff. I think Ms. DeGraffe is from Bermuda Institute, and Mr. Pearman is from Chadwick Academy , …
The Speaker The Speaker Let me make one alteration to that. On the Standing Orders [and Privilege s] Committee , it is the Whip who represents in the House. Mr. Weeks should have been replaced with the new Whip, who is Mr. Lawrence Scott. So we will make that alteration. Thank yo u. MESSAGES …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. We have five papers this morning. I believe the first four are in the name of the Honour able Mini ster of Finance. 1534 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Premier, would you like to . . . actually , all of them …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker We have one Statement this morning, and that is in the name of the Honourable Minister Brown, on the Municipalities Amendment. Minister Brown, would you like to present your Statement? Hon. Walton Brown: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, it is with pleasure that I rise to table, shortly, in the Honourable House, the Bill entitled Municipalities Amendment Act 2018 . Mr. Speaker, this Bill proposes to defer elections for a year until May 2019 while the Government …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. That is the only Statement we have today. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are no reports . QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker There are no written quest ions today, so the only questions are for the Statement that was read out this morning. There is only one Statement this morning. That is yours, Minister Brown, and we have one Member who has indicated that he would like to ask a question of …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and thank you. Mr. Speaker, the question I have for the Ho nourable Member refers to the fir st page of his Stat ement, where he proposes to defer elections for a year until May 2019. And I underscore “while the Gover nment undertakes consultations with …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the minimum, minimum consult ation, precisely because we were not quite clear and sure on the direction that we wished to take, other than TO move forward with our major infrastructure project. But we will now commit ourselves …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. Go ahead. 1536 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTAR IES
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Are the corporations aware that this Bill is being tabled today?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. Would the Honourable Minister say, or could he comment, as to whether the corporations are supportive of the amendments in this particular Bill, i ncluding the deferral of the May date, but other parts of the Bill as well? T hank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: I have no comment on that, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Opposition Leader, you have a supplementary? Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Could the Minister indicate at what point, especially the Corporation of Hamilton, they became aware of the amendments that you were going to make, and thus the deferral of the elections?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Within the past 24 hours.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any further supplementary? No further supplementary? New question? I recognise the Honourable Member Gibbons with a new question. QUESTION 2: MUNICIPALITIES AMENDMENT A CT 2018
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Honourable Member comment as to why he is unprepared to state whether the corporations are supportive or not of the deferral of the election?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Well, it is, quite simply, Mr. Speaker, because I am not able to get into the minds of the m ayor or the people who run the corporations.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, a supplementary,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, is the Honourable Member saying that they were not consulted about deferring the date of the election for a year?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, I did not say that at all.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question? That is it? This ends our Question Period. We now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Does anyone wish to speak to that, congratulations or obituary speeches? Yes, we recognise the Honourable Deputy Speaker. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like for this House to send condolences to the family of Ms. Ruth …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Swan, from constituency 2. Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences just offered by the Deputy Speaker to Ms. Paynter’s family, of which my late father, Hubert Swan, was a member, having been married to her sister. An d I am closely associated with the family through that union, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, the other side of Hamilton Parish. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Two Bible Belt parts.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I have to stand, because Ms. Payn ter, of course, was my relative, the Hodgsons , the Hills, the Burgess es, the Trotts and everybody in that group that . . . Furberts, of course. But she was also my teacher at Francis …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 11. Honour able Member Famous, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, colleagues, and good morning, Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to speak condolences to my cous in, Howard Harvey Charles, a man born, bred, and, unfortunately, passed in Devonshire. A man with a love for family and probably even a better love for animals. We used to call …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, Mr. Charles, his father was a Charles; his mother was a Ming - Woolridge. So, he was, essentially, related to almost everybody in Bermuda. Those in the House, I will start with the Premier, Honourable Member Burt, is a cousin of his; Minister Kim Wilson; Senator Nandi Outerbridge; …
The Speaker The Speaker You should include the Clerk, too.
Mr. Christopher Famous I was getting to that.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. All right.
Mr. Christopher Famous The Honourable Quinton Edness and Dame Lois -Browne, but closely related 1538 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly was the Clerk of the Legislature, Mrs. Shernette Wolffe. So I would like a letter to be sent to the family, if possible. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Christopher Famous And others would like to be associated, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 22. Honourable Member Gibbons, you have the floor.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences to the family of Ruth Paynter . Certainly, she was well known in that community, and I think very successful as a businesswoman in her own right , and certainly, a matriarch of the family. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 12. Honourable Member Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated [with condolences for] the unfortunate and untimely death of Harvey Charles. I knew him well. In fact, my mother was just last night at the hospital, shocked at this —shocked at this accident that had taken place. And ironica …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member Dunkley. Honourable Member Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you. T hank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to you colleagues and to Bermuda. I would like to be associated …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Any other Honourable Member? I recognise Mr. Premier. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to be associated with the remarks which were offered by the Honourable Deputy Speaker to the family of Ms. Ruth Paynter, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? Bermuda House of Assembly We recognise the Honourable Minister of E ducation. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V.S. Raba in: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to be associated with the r emarks by …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1. Honourable Member Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker and listening audience. I would just like to send congratulatory wishes out to all of the women yesterday, on International Women’s Day 2018. Over the years, you have seen this campaign grow. And yesterday’s campaign theme was Press for Progress. And what it clearly lets us …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. We now recognise the Honourable Member from consti tuency 36. Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to the degree and level that members of families who are bereaving the loss of members of their family …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member. Does any other Member — I recognise the Honourable Member, the O ppositi on Whip. Honourable Member Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I would just like to be assoc iated with the congratulatory remarks concerning the International Wom en’s Day. And in particular, I would like to recognise Elaine Butterfield, of the Women’s Resource Centre. She hosted a most interesting evening for a large roomful of women at the US Consulate. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other — We recognise the Honourable Leader of the Opposition. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with all of the remarks that have been mentioned t oday …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 4. The Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Good morning, Mr. Speaker and listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Mr. Speaker, I would also like to be associated with the comments that have been made in regard to International Women’s Day. But all of the gentlemen in the House should know that it is actually Women’s History Month. And so, for the month of March, we should be celebrating …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No further speakers. Good. We can move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker We have three Government Bills to be introduced this morning. Two are in the name of the Premier, one in the name of Minister Brown. Premier, would you like to go first? [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: Sorry, Mr. Speaker, I had a number of clipboards in front of me …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. FIRST READINGS PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which, according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, requires the Governor’s recommendation, so that it may be placed on the O rder Paper for the next day of meeting: …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Continue on to your next one. PARTNERSHIP, EXEMPTED PARTNERSHIPS AND LIMIT ED PARTNERSHIP (BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP) AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading, so that it may be placed on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further Bills to be introduced? OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Orders of the Day. The first Order of the day is the resumption in Committee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2018/19. Minister of Finance, Mr. Premier, would you like to take us to that? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. And before we go into that, before I call on the Member to take the Chair, I will do as is customary. For the listening audience, today is day 6 of the Budget Debate. The first Ministry that is up for debate this morning is the …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Members. Honourable Members, we are now in Commi ttee of Supply for further consideration of the Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2018/19. Heads 32 and 79 are now to be debated. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Walton Brown: Let me restart that sentence, Mr. Speaker, now that everyone has been fully awakened. Unfortunately, there has been a decrease in pest birds contr ol, down from 5,000, due to a temporary reduction in department capacity and challenges with transportation. …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you lost me. Hon. Walton Brown: I think I have lost myself, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walton Brown: I am going to restate that.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you. Hon. Walton Brown: I caught myself. Let us start again. Cost centre 89090, Agronomy, page B -330. The value of produce, goods, and services handled by the Agricultural Ser vice Centre dropped slightly from $200,000, originally forecast to be $185,000. Howe ver, the number of customers …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Sylvan Richards, from constituency 7. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, it is a pleasure to take t o my feet at this time to review the budget on the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any further speakers? Yes. The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Cole Simons from constituency 8.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chairman. A lot has been said about the Dog Act this morning. But let us put this into perspec tive. This i ssue has been going on for a number of years. Mr. Chairman, we are currently operating under the Dog Act 1978. In 2008, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member How do you do that?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I do not know. But they found their way there, and I am delighted that they are hanging around. [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, again, let us encourage the people of this country to get involved. There are bee gardens that you can set up that will attract the bees and keep them there, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Colonel, do you want to move that we adjourn for lunch? Minister Burch? Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Move for lunch?
The Chairman Chairman Move for lunch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Chairman, I move that the House adjourn for lunch until 2:00 pm.
The Chairman Chairman The House stands adjourned to 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:32 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm [Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPEND ITURE FOR THE YEAR 2018/19 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS [Continuation thereon]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, colleagues. We are here this afternoon at 2:00 pm to consider the concl usion of the debate under Planning, Environment and Natural Resources, Heads 32 and 79. It is a two- anda-half-hour debate with 41 minutes remaining. This debate will conclude at 2:42 pm. I recognise the Honourable …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. C hairman, I am delighted to learn under Head 32, Administration, that the North East Hamilton Development Plan is complete. It represents a doc ument that has been in the pipes for quite some time and I look forward to seeing it and I look …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Pages B -318 and B -317, Administration, I am speaking to, basically.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons It is item 3203, okay? Mr. Chairman, the other issue I note is that they have a draft version of the 2017 Bermuda Plan. Obviously, that is updated regularly and that is also completed and I look forward to discussions to see how that has evolved to ensure that our …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Pardon me? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No, it is not the “Simons Summit”; it is the Ocean Risk Summit. And they have some world- class leaders who will be basically talking about the changing state of our oceans and how this changing state and the risks associated therein will impact cultures, economies, businesses, and other economic …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons We have His Serene Highness Prince Albert of Monaco and he is a patron of the IUCN [International Union for Conservation of N ature]. We have Queen Noor coming. We have the founders of Oceans Unite. We have the Deputy Prem-ier of BVI [British Virgin Islands]. We have various senior …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member . It is now 2:11 [pm] and the Chair recognises . . . any other Members wishing to speak on this head? If not, Minister, would you like to answer the questions? Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be happy to answer all …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is a lot. Hon. Walton Brown: That is a lot? Compared to what? It is a lot compared to what? I do not know what is a lot or what is a little. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Walton Brown: Are there any regulations that cover the Island’s elevators? Yes. …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I just have two more points that I forgot during my—
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency [8].
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Yes. Where 90 per cent of our world’s fishes stock is fully exploited, it is our r esponsibi lity to manage our marine resources and, in particular, our EEZ. Mr. Chairman, I know that there was a study done through Catapult in regard to the satellite company that monitored our …
The Chairman Chairman And which head are you referring to Honourable Member. I know you are referring to a head, but just.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Administration, 3203.
The Chairman Chairman Page B . . . page number?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons B-317. The Chair man: Thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And you can either do 3203 or the Marine Environment.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Continue on. 1558 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: So, obviously, the results were that there was some fishing done in our EEZ, but not much. So my qu estion is, Have we done any follow-up investigations of that …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Well, that is close to my heart, yes. Billfish tournaments, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, declare your interest.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Billfish tournaments.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. N. H. C ole Simons Are there any regulations in place that will enable us to study the possibility of having tag and release? Because personally I am di sgusted that you see these fish hanging there after the billfish tournament —300, 400 pounds, 25- year-old fish—just to have a picture taken and weighed. And …
The Chairman Chairman There is a tag and—
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —from an environmental point of view?
The Chairman Chairman There is a tag and release component in parts of the billfish tournament, Honourable Member .
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Well, I think we—
The Chairman Chairman Not totally, but there is.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —I think we need to do more from an environmental point of view.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And so I am just raising that as a personal issue, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you. Hon. Walton Brown: Let me just say, Mr. Chai rman—
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me just say, M r. Chairman, that I have empathy with those who believe we should not engage in the wanton killing of animals, hence, my dec ision to try to reduce the acts of euthanasia of …
The Chairman Chairman All right. Members, there is just but a few minutes left in this debate, if any other Member cares to speak he can do s o now. If not, Minister, you may move the heads. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 32 and …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 32 and 79 be approved. Any objections? No objections. So mo ved. [Motion carrie d: The Ministry of Home Affairs : Head 32, Department of Planning and Head 79, Environment and Natural Resources were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member . Proceed. Page B -124, for all those listening, is where it starts. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, today I am delighted to present my first budget for the Ministry of Education and Workforce Development, wh ich co mprises the Ministry of Education Headquarters, …
The Chairman Chairman All right. Thank you. This is a good opportunity . . . We are on Head 17, [page] B -130. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Just to say th at it is now 3:10. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mm-hmm.
The Chairman Chairman We are debating Education, and Mi nister Rabain is dealing with Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60. It is a five- and-a-half-hour debate ending at 8:00 pm. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN HOUSE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman And I take this opportunity to acknowledge in the Gallery a former Senator, Mr. Llewellyn Peniston. Thank you for your attendance today. [Committee of Supply, debate continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Continue on, Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, you will recall that this Go vernment promised in its election platform to reform public education by phasing out middle schools and introducing signature schools at the secondary level to focus on the learning …
Mr. Peter Sousa. The other members of the Board are Mrs. Romelle Warner, Deputy Chair; Ms. Cherie Dill; Mr. Fanon Khaldun; Mr. Marshall Minors; Mr. J erome Reid, Jr.; Mr. Bruce Sharpe; Mrs. Kathleen Sharpe Keane; Mr. Nasir Wade; Mrs. Valerie Robi nson-James, Permanent Secretary of Education, ex officio; Mrs. Malika Cartwright, National Training Board Representative; The Honourable Randolph Horton, …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me one second. Just be mindful that we have someone speaking, please. Thank you. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —was the first time Bermuda College has offered funding for PACE students. PACE re gistration increased from 198 in fall 2016 to 327 in fall 2017, an additional 129 registrants. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We have concluded the Education and Wor kforce Development Heads 16, 17, 18, 41 and 60. I welcome any Member to speak. I recognise the Member from constituency 8,
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons. Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you , Madam Chairman. I am going to start where the Minister left off and that is the Bermuda College, Head 41. I would like to begin by commending Dr. Duranda Greene for a sterling job as far as leadership. The Bermuda Col-lege has a prominent role to play …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Pardon? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Since the beginning of time or—
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Just for the— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —or last y ear.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —last year. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Because I mentioned it.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I mentioned it in the brief. Okay.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And what number of scholarships do we have for academic achievement and not just based on need? I recognise that, yes, we need to help the underserved and they are entitled to support, but if we have a student that is doing exceedingly well and he has high grades, he …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No, I am not going to yield, sorry. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —I could re- read that section on that. And from the brief it says: “In 2017 a pproximately 228 applications were received from st udents requesting financial support. The Ministry funded . . . 18 Bermuda Government …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Eighteen. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —“comprising new and existing scholarships; 5 mature student awards; 7 teacher training awards; and 26 further education awards.”
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: In addition, Minister Achievement Awards were “ developed and awarded to include: two Minister Achievement Awards; two Merit Scholarships, two Exceptional Student Awards; and one Technical and Vocational Award.” Does that answer that question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Okay, thanks.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Community Education, [pr ogramme] 1602, line 26110. I am delighted that we have brought community education under the umbrella of the Department of Education because the mandate was similar and it is something t hat should have occurred a while ago, and it is just a right fit and we …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you very much. We have five and a half hours. Now I would like to go on to the topic of St udent Services, programme 1702. Obviously, this bas ically is to provide support for the diverse special needs of our student population and so our students with different …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons You can respond. The other question I have is for the special needs teachers. What professional development and training programmes do we have for them? And what training programmes do we have for the paraprofessionals? Because at the end of the day the infrastructure needs the support if we are …
Mr. N . H. Cole Simons Eighty -eight, okay. Because there is so much going on. Thank you very much. So, again, my question on that one is, What type of training do we have? Is it ongoing training? And what standards are we using in regard to trai ning? Autis m Spectrum. When is the …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Funded. Okay, funded, because that is a colossal job. That gentleman that is there now is stretched so far it is a shame, because we have so many properties, so many campuses. And I even wonder whether two is going to be enough. I would support even three because the …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons You did not? Okay. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Not on here? Okay, I will pass that. The middle schools. The Minister made it clear that there is an interes t in reviewing the efficacy of our middle schools and that he will be having di scussions with the community so that they can help craft a plan forward …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, will you yield?
The Chairman Chairman Very well. Member? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The Strategic Plan refers to middle school ages, not middle schools.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you very much for the clarification, but I will still continue. The middle school has a role to play in this community, and I understand the PLP Government is assessing the validity of the role that the middle school plays. But my question to them is this, and it …
The Chairman Chairman What head are y ou speaking to, Member? Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: I am speaking to Middle Schools, Administration of Middle Schools, 27600, Sandys Middle School.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And so with the purchase of the property the school do es not qualify to be a mai ntained school . . . sorry, yes, it does not qualify to be an aided school. That is what I am thinking of, an ai ded school. And as an aided school …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —I am talki ng about after school. That is what I said, after school. So I am sa ying that we should provide after school care for the students and parents of Somerset and St. George’s. Right now they are all located in the central parishes. The Minister indicated the …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Madam Chair — [Inaudible interjections ] 1580 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Members. [Gavel]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons We never finished it, but just because we left Government does not mean the work stops. The work will continue. The work will continue. You were the ones that said last year, Oh! Where is Part 2? You were jumping up and down sa ying we need Part 2 of …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons On the career development side, that is [programme] 603, page [B -]148, I know that we worked with Financial Assistance. Can the Minister tell us how many Financial Assistance clients applied for career opportunities or jobs in the Depar tment of Workforce Development? And how many were successful in securing …
The Chairman Chairman Member? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Di allo V. S. Rabain: [The] National Training Board does not accept applications for employment. I believe he is trying to refer to the Department of Wor kforce Development. The Department of Workforce Development is a career preparation centre, not an employm ent agency. They …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons The National Training Board has an employment arm and my question is, again, how many people ap plied to the employment arm of the National Training Board from Financial Assi stance? They have the training . . . the Outreach Pr ogramme used to have one in community affairs, that …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. Members, thank you.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons —the expatriate worker gets paid $275,000. That is an 82 per cent difference. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So I am saying Immigration has got to change this. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons You had 25 years. And I will just continue because these numbers are startling, Madam Chairman, they are startling. An automotive mechanic: a Bermudian motor mechanic gets paid $55,568; an expatriate one gets paid $65,430; a difference of 17 per cent. An actuary: a Bermudian Actuary, their mean salary is …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons This is not right! This is not right. I can come on that side, I know right from wrong. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I know right from wrong and it is time for this to be addressed.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We are!
The Chairman Chairman Members! [Gavel]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And I implore the leadership of this Government to hav e that tough conversation with our business leaders in the international sector and local sector to say that this disparity ought not to continue. There should be equitable treatment of our employees, Bermudian and guest workers, because most of these …
The Chairman Chairman Members.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You are talking about your own Government.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons It does not mean that it is right. I am a person for principle and what is right. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Well, you are in the seat now, Mr. Education Minister. You are in the seat. Let us see what you are going to do about it. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I will give you a year to come back to give me an update to see what you have done . . . what your Government has done to ensure that there is equity in salaries for Bermudians and expatr iates. Okay. That is all I have in the Education …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons No, I want to ask you to pr ovide details on the digitisation strategy for the depar tments in the Library and Archives. What digitisation strate gy exists? I would like for the Minister to provide more details. Would he also provide details of how they are mitigating the mould …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, or 60? Mem ber from constituency 22, you have the floor.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I am actually pleased to have the opportunity to weigh in and make a contribution on the education heads. I am going to probably focus my comments mostly on education and partic ularly the Department of Education on page B -128. It has been …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. I would like to hear the Member speaking, please. Thank you.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons But there are a couple of areas that really I think stood out. One of those rec-ommendations certainly rang true with me. I actually taught, in a former life, for a number of years, mostly at a tertiary level. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons That is tertiary; I [did] a little bit of secondary school teaching as well but not for very long. One of the things that I think was very key for Professor Hopkins and those that helped write the report was the recommendation to dramatically i ncrease the quality of teaching. …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you. Bermuda Public School System. “can have a sustained and transformative impact on the academic achievement of young people. Bermuda must focus on ensuring educators who are recruited from high quality training programs, are mentored and supported by master teachers to improve their practice in the classroom.” I think …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Head 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60? I recognise the Member from constituency 23, Patricia Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I just have a couple of questions. There have been questions that have been asked of the Minister and I think predicated upon what the responses are will determine whether I have any additional questions. But specifically from the Budget Book on page C …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60? I recognise t he Member from constituency 21. MP Rolfe Commissiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Madam Chai rman. This is certainly one of the most critical debates that we are faced with, in consideration of these heads. With respect to B -123, the new Government with the new Minister coming in has demonstrated a significant commitment to education, translated into the major additional …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes. I am sorry. The coding programme in the primary schools. Sister Cora Wells . . . (Excuse me for my f amiliarity by using the term “ Sister. ”) But Ms. Wells has teamed up with the Ministry of Education under the Minister here and is doing a fantastic …
The Chairman Chairman Member, do you want to refer to a page?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes. That is why I am — [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I am moving in that direction now. So . . . [Pause] 1592 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: If I c an offer you some assistance, Workforce Development, which is Head 60, is on page B-147.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Uh-huh. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Workforce Development, as we see here, has been one of the cornerstones of our melding the education and tr aining with the real -world economy. And getting back to Ms. Wells, we have seen this symbi osis taking place to prepare our students for the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 30.
Ms. Scott. Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just have a few questions to ask the Minister. Education, as everybody has stated, is a crit ical subject and is something that we need to get right for our c hildren. Yesterday, we heard the Minister for Community, Culture and Sport talking about the …
The Chairman Chairman Make sure to reference a page, please.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Page B -128, under the General Summary. And it is line item 27063. And it has gone down from $810,000 to $793,000. I am just wondering why there has been a decrease, given the fact that we have our children who are so, so challenged, and whether or not there …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would any other Honourable Member . . . just before we go on, I just want to say that we are currently in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2018/19. We are currently debating the Edu-cation …
Mrs. Tinee Furbert Madam Chairman, I will not be using all of that time. [Laughter]
Mrs. Tinee Furbert But I do want to start off by gi ving kudos to the Ministry of Education and all of the educators who are out there, who provide a great service to our students and our public system. So I would like to start off by saying that. And I also …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Opposition Leader. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. 1596 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly First of all, I want to say that I think everyone agrees that education is very …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V . S. Rabain: Okay. T he point of c larific ation is that what s he is speaki ng about was spok en to in the brief. T he substitutes l ine item had been c hronically un derfunded over t he …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, while the Minister might have indicated why additional monies were being spent in that area, the Minister is not dealing with my question as to whether, if you only have 90 per cent of the teachers on staff at the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would anyone e lse . . . I recognise the Member from constituency 23.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Madam Chairman. I said I would probably have one or two other questions. My further question comes as a result of a comment made by the Honourable Member f rom co nstituency 21 during his presentation. He indicated that I seemed to have focused on a $37,000 decrease …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does anyone else wish to speak? Minister, I think you have some questions to answer. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And I thank you for this wholesome debate that we have all part icipated in. Interestingly, almost everyone who got on their …
The Chairman Chairman Member, let me recognise you first. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman : I recognise the Member from consti tuency 9. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you. It would have been helpful if the Minister had shared his brief, you know. …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you can proceed. Thank you. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And I thank that Member for that. But I would also like to remind the Member that we get paid to be here, and it is not mandatory to pass briefs over. Madam Chairman, first let me answer the …
The Chairman Chairman Member from constituency 19, Leader of the Opposition. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am just concerned that the Member might be misleading the House in the sense that supplementals, even though they might not be in the original budget, actually do get . . . they …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister, proceed, please. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. I think we are going against what we said we would not do, and that is play politics with education. So, the question was why the uptick for Berkeley was answered. The uptick was Berkeley had traditionally …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me. Thank you. We have someone speaking, let’s be respectful. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Respect is earned.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, but, Minister — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: You should be licking your wounds over something else right about now.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you do not need to respond to the Member. You can direct all of your comments to me. Members, please be respectful. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I am getting back to the questions that were asked. Question: Performance measures of 90 per cent …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Opposition Leader. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, I had one other quest ion which you did not respond to, so I will repeat it. On B -124, there is an indication of Grants to External Bodies, which is 2016/17 was …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member for constit uency 23.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Madam Chairman. I also had a question for the Minister on page B-126 with respect to output measures on Community Education Administrati on. Under item 2, this is under business unit 26130, Community Education Admin, item 2 indicates that they want to have 75 per cent revaluation questionnaire …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister, would you like to answer those questions? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: First, thank you, Member. In terms of the percentage, I agree that we should use percentage and not just a number. In terms of working on a criteria for adjudging our grants, that is …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Leader of the Oppos ition. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Although the Minister did indicate that we will be coming up with a different measure assess ing the external grants, he still did not explain where . . . on page B -124 it says that the grants …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 22.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am obliged to my honourable colleague, Pat Gordon- Pamplin, for asking the question, but the Mi nister still has not answered the question as to how many low performing schools have been identified under the Education Act. She referred to primary. I would be interested …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Member wish to speak at this time? No? Just to keep our listening audience in tune, we are currently debating the Education and Workforce Development, Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60. And we have approximately twenty -two minutes left. Minister? Hon. Diallo …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, if I may, Madam Chairman. How many classroom teachers are current-ly working in the 2017/18 year? So, not paraprofessionals, not principals, how many classroom teac hers? Thank you . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: We will have to get that information in total count for you.
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 23.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just also want to ask again with respect to the identification of low performing schools. It is critical for the public to be made aware of that. And the other question that the Minister answered earlier, or a Member mentioned, I think the Minister mentioned, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. I recognise the Opposition Leader. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, Madam Chairman, although the Minister accounted for the $100,000, I think he forgot that my original question asked what were the types of external bodies that the money was spent on, because I was curious as to …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak? Minister, I believe you had two questions. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, I have just been informed by the Acting Commissioner of Education that the previous Government did not account for who the low performing schools are, so it is not …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Member from cons tituency 22.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, I am not going to let the Honourable Member off the hook quite that easily. The Education Act specifies in any school year . . . sorry, in terms of low performing schools it must be done on an annu al basis. So the question is, have any …
The Chairman Chairman Members. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And to use one of my constituent’s favourite comments, who sits opposite me, that Member would have the temerity to ask that ques tion, that his Government did not provide that Bermuda House of Assembly information, but he wants this Government to provide it …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would any other Member wish to speak at this time?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, Madam Chairman
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from consti tuency 22.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, the issue is not whether the Government revealed it or not; the issue is whether the department and the Mi nistry did what they are required to do under the Act, which is identify low performing schools. So, the question is, if it was not done, why not? …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Question—
The Chairman Chairman First of all, would any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 23.
Mrs. Patri cia J. Gordon -Pamplin A) The Member has not responded to the accountability with respect to the teachers and their ability to be . . . to ensure . . . not just teachers, sorry, educators, with respect to their taking of a SCARS course and how . . . you know, just to …
The Chairman Chairman Members.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordo n-Pamplin —as a result of the fact that the school year would have ended — The Chairman: Speak to the Chair.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Yes, I am spea king to you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Members! Thank you.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin It is always easy when people do not want to answer questions. And I understand that. But the question is, the school year ended in July — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin —the election was in July. Hon. Derr ick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin So the question —
The Chairman Chairman Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: How can this Gover nment answer a question when the school year has not even finished? They should be able to tell us what it was when they were in Government because school finished in June. So they should have it. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You’re off base. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No, you’re off base.
The Chairman Chairman Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Honourable Member obviously did not understand the question. And the question was, the school year ended at the end of July last year. There was an election in July of last year. And the questi on begs that from July of last year until now, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: If that Honourable Member . . . I did not say anything of the sort within these Chambers, that I would not provide the brief to the Member, and I do not have to. What I said was . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member, please proceed. But we are not going to get into the brief conversation because —
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I just have one final comment —
The Chairman Chairman —he has clarified that —
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin —to make on that, Madam Chairman, and the one final comment that I have to make on that is that we do have the ability in the Honourable House to either be sitting in the Chamber, listening in the Committee Room, or listening by radio. So we do take advantage …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak at this time? No? Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, I will answer the one last question and that is we are endeavouring to have all teachers SCARS certified. That is something that the Acting Commissioner has said has …
The Chairman Chairman Would you like to ask that as a question, or . . . Member from constituency 23.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I was only asking whether there has been a targeted date that has been established. It is fine to say that we are going to ask, or we are going to r equest, I just wonder if there has been a targeted date, because that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I am prepared to move.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection? Agreed to. [Motion carried : The Min istry of Education and Wor kforce Development : Heads 16, 17, 18, 41, and 60 were approved and stand part …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supp ly agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House …
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening , Members. Are there any objections to the reporting to the House of the debates that have just completed today? No objections? They are now reported to the House and we will proceed to the next Order of the Day. I believe we have seven additional Orders that …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased t o introduce the Marine Board (Pilotage Dues) Amendment Regulations 2018. Passage of these regulations will result in an increase of 5 per cent for pilotage dues payable per metre of draught depending on the port of destination or …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister . Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Deputy Opposition Leader. You have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We on thi s side have no objection to the legi slation. Please proceed. The Speaker: Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that the said draft regulations be approved and that a suitable message be sent to His Excellency the …
The Speaker The Speaker No objections to that, Members? No objections. So moved. [Motion carried: The Marine Board (Pilotage Dues) Amendment Regulations 2018 were approved. ]
The Speaker The Speaker We will now move on to the next Order. The nex t Order is Order No. 3 on our Order Paper today, consideration of the Bermuda Immigr ation and Protection (Permanent Resident's Certifi cate) Order 2018 in the name of the Honourable Minister of Finance. Whoops, actually it has got …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, the Minister of Immigration. Minister Brown. Somebody was taking away responsibilities from you that time. I am sure yo u would not want that. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Brown, I will ask you to pr oceed at this time. Hon. Walton Brown: We do have collective responsibility, so . . . it’s all good.
The Speaker The Speaker Well good, good. ORD ER BERMUDA IMMIGRATION AND PROTECTION (PERMANENT RESIDENT'S CERTIFI CATE ) ORDER 2018 Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, I move that consideration be given to the draft order entitled, Berm uda Immigration and Protection (Permanent Resident's Certificate) Order 2018, proposed to be made by the Minister responsible …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. 1608 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, this is a very si mple amendment. In the initial rendition of the relevant legislation, the fee for a PRC application was $125,000. The previous Government reduced it to $25,000. This …
The Speaker The Speaker That is it? Oh. Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23, the Honourable Member Gordon-Pamplin. You have the floor.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for his presentation. The Minister gave a little bit of the history in terms of the fact that initially that fee had been set at $125,000, and it had been changed down to $25,000. And now it is going to go up …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you would know that this pr oposed amendment is part and parcel of a much broader set of changes that are coming. And one change that is particularly relevant relates …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister . Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, I move that the proposed amendment be approved.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objection to that? No objection. So moved. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Immigration and Protection (Permanent Resident's Certificate) Order 2018 was approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker We now move on to the next Order. Hon. Walton Brown: Sorry, Mr. Speaker. Am I not supposed to ask that a suitable message be sent somewhere?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you can. Hon. Walton Brown: Yes, thank you. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker I thought you wanted to maybe personally deliver it seeing you have such a good rel ationship there. [Laughter] Hon. W alton Brown: Well, Mr. Speaker, I simply move as I am required to move, that the said draft order be approved and that a suitable message be sent to …
The Speaker The Speaker So approved. Any objections? No objections. We now move on to the next Order, which is Order No. 4. Second Reading of the Exchange Co ntrol Amendment Act 2018, in the name of the Minister of Finance, and I think the Junior Minister. BILL SECOND READING EXCHANGE CONTROL AMENDMENT ACT …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, it gives me pleasure to present to the House a Bill entitled the Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018. This Bill highlights changes proposed to be made to the Exchange Control Act 1972, which, in conjunction with soon to be tabled amendments to the …
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Honourable Members who would like to participate in this debate? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I must admit that having had the Junior Minister wax on about how this was part of the process that was coming, I think I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Deputy Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I recognise that we have this mutual assistance review that is coming up, and we have jumped the hoops and hurdles and everything else to meet the requirements of the OECD and FATF. I actually find it hypocritical that we have to do all …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead, Member.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker It is a news article? Ms. L eah K. Scott: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Ms. Leah K. Scott US and Mexican authorities par tner to dismantle international laundering ring. “US and Mexican authorities have dismantled a large international money laundering ring that operated across the United States and washed tens of millions of dollars from Mexican drug traffickers, the US Justice Department said Thursday. A total of 75 …
The Speaker The Speaker Streets of Bermuda?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Pardon me?
The Speaker The Speaker The streets of Bermuda?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Is the what?
The Speaker The Speaker You said the streets of Bermuda.
Ms. Leah K. Scott No, I was being facetious.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, oh, okay. All right. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I need to get that cleared up now. Okay continue on. [Laughter]
Ms. Leah K. Scott I am saying that all this goes on in the United States, but we are required . . . here to open up a bank account, you have to have a driver’s licence, a utility bill and your first born before you can even get in the front door. If …
The Speaker The Speaker Based on us I think you are getting a lot of support on that conversation. Any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Junior Minister, now you can move us to that next phase. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy [Speaker]. House in Committee at 8:43 pm [Hon. Der rick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL EXCHANGE CONTROL AMENDMENT ACT 2018
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to moving clauses 1 through 4? There appear to be none. Continue, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 1 is the citation. This clause will give the title Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018. Clause 2 amends section 1 of the Exchange Control Act 1972 …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none, Minister. Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved. I move that the Bill be r eported —
The Chairman Chairman You have to move the clauses first. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 4 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that motion? There appear to be n one. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.] …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018 being reported to the House? 1612 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly No objections. It is approved. We now move on to the next Order, which is Order No. 5, the second reading of …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, Government wishes this Honourable House to give consideration to the Bill entitle Fina ncial Services Tax Amendment Act 2018. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members here will recall that in the 2017/18 Budget the former Gover nment enacted the Financial Services Tax Act 2017. This …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recogni se the Honourable Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I thank the Junior Minister for reminding us of the history of this particular Financial Services Tax. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No. Junior Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, you can see from the Budget Book, the Honourable Member is cor-rect. We are expecting . . . or the former Government was $11,390,000. That was what was budgeted last year. …
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to move us into Committee? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy [Speaker]. House in Committee at 8:15 pm [ Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL FINANCIAL SERVICES TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2018
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consider ation of the Bill entitled Fi nancial Services Tax Amendment Act 2018. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to moving clauses 1 through 4? There appear to be none. Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbe rt: The Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2018 seeks to amend the Tax Act 2017 (the principal Act). Clause 1 is self -explanatory. Clause 2 amends sections 4(c) and 5(a)(iii) of the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Leader of the Opposition, Ms. Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry, just for clarity, and I think that I am having it right. One was to make sure that we made it clear that it was not going to affect the 1966 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, do you want to respond? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We did not say anything about income tax. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I was saying that by making sure that it was on outgoing we were making sure that people did not feel that we were starting to work our …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. 1614 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Any further speakers? Minister, continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to moving clauses 1 through 4? [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved and that the Bill be repor ted to the House.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that motion? There appear to be none. Agreed to. [Motion carried: …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2018 be-ing reported to the House as printed?
The Speaker The Speaker No objections. So moved. We now move on to the next item on the O rder Paper, [Order] No. 6, consideration of the Regul atory Authority (Service Fees) Regulations 2018 in the name of the Minister of Transport and Regulatory A ffairs. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. REGULATIONS REGULATORY …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to introduce the Regulatory Authority (Service Fees) Regulations 2018. The purpose of these regulations is for the Regulatory Authority to recover the estimated cost of performing specific functions from the sectoral partic ipants requesting such functions. The amount …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 22. Honourable Member, Gibbons, you have the floor.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my sense is that while the Regulatory Authority may have been charging some of these service fees before to essentially recoup some of their costs, although I am not sure about that, this is sort of a new schedule. I do not think we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? No other Member ? Minister . Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. As Members would know, the schedule of those fees is on the back of the actual Regulations and they are broken down in detail. As …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If those occurrences arise.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I now move that the draft regulations be approved and that the appr opriate message be sent from this House to His Excellency the Governor.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objections. So moved. [Motion carried: The Regulatory Authority (Service Fees) R egulations 2018 were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker We now move on to the next Order, which is Order No. 7, consideration of the Electricity (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2018, in the name of the Minister of Transport and Regulatory A ffairs. Deputy Pr emier, you once again have the floor. REGULATIONS ELECTRICITY (REGULATORY AUTHORITY FEES) REGULATIONS 2018 …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased t o introduce the Electricity (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2018. In accordance with the legislation, the Regul atory Authority [RA] submitted its recommendations on regulations for fees when it submitted its proposed budget to the Minister of Finance …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 22. Honourable Member, Gibbons, you have the floor.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was on my feet.
The Speaker The Speaker I almost missed you, but that’s all right. I still got you. You have the floor. Continue on.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am off your port bow here, so . . .yes. Thank you. I thank the Minister. Again, I have a couple of questions on this. As he indicates, the 2018 set of regulations on a fee basis are exactly the same as those that were being charged in 2017. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If you will indulge me, Mr. Speaker, I would like to get an answer from the tec hnical officer so I can try and give an answer on this. If you will …
The Speaker The Speaker We will indulge you for a brief moment. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Is that helpful, Minister? Hon. Walte r H. Roban: Thank you for your indu lgence on time, Mr. Speaker. The question is, What is the estimate for the year for the electricity transmission and distribution in retail services? We do not have an answer for that yet. Again, I will …
The Speaker The Speaker We do appreciate your attempt to get it. I think he will grant you that. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am sure he will appreciate that I will get him the answer, in a detailed manner.
The Speaker The Speaker Sure. Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to move? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I now move that the Draft Regulations now be approved and that the appropriate message be sent to from this House to His Excellency the Governor.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to th at? No objections? So moved. [Motion carried: The Electricity (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2018 w ere approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker We now move on to the next Order on the paper, and the next Order is in the name of the same Minister. This time it is for consideration of the Electronic Communications (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2018. Honourable Minister. REGULATIONS ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS (REGULATORY AUTHORITY FEES) REGULATIONS 2018 Hon. Walter …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, in accordance with legislation, the Regulatory Authority [RA] duly submitted its recommendations on regulations for fees when it submitted its proposed budget to the Minister of Finance and the Minister responsible for the regul ator industry sectors. The RA did not recommend …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister . Does any other Member wish to speak to that? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 22. Honourable Member Gibbons, you have the floor.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sure the Minister knows where I am going here. The question again, is . . . usually w hen the Regulatory Authority does up its budget it has an esBermuda House of Assembly timate for what the turnover is going to be that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, I undertake to get the information for the Honourable Member as he has outlined, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: With that, I move that the Draft Regulations be approved and that the appropr iate message be sent to from this House to His Exce llency the Governor.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? No objections? So moved. [Motion car ried: The Electronic Communications (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2018 were approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker That brings us to the end of that parti cular matter. And, as I understand, all other orders are to be carried over. All other orders are carried over? That now brings us to . . . no . . . Premier or Deputy? Oh, yes, racing along. Ministers you …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objection? Continue reading, Junior Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING EXCHAN GE CONTROL AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018, I move that it now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to it now passing? No objections. So passed. [Motion carried: The Exchange Control Amendment Act 2018 was r ead a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue with the next one. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled Financial Services Tax Amen dment Act 2018 be now read a third time.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING FINANCIAL SERVICES TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2018 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2018, I move that it now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to it now passing? No objections. So passed. [Motion carried: The Financial Services Tax Amendment Act 2018 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, now we will call on you. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 1618 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly On this wonderful Friday night, at 8:35 pm, I move that the House do now adjourn until Monday, March 12th.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to speak to that? I recognise the Minister of National Security. Minister, you have the floor. LAHEY CLINIC LAWSUIT DISMISSED BY US COURT Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a couple of years ago my father had a heart attack. He was …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh, no.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh my God, that’s horrible. Hon. Wayne Caines: Allegations . . . allegations of documents being shredded. Allegations . . . alleg ations . . . the word “allegations” — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Wayne Caines: Bob Marley said, Who the cap Fit.
The Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order. That Honour able Member is misleading the House. The Attorney General never said there were no files; they were just not in the office. The law firm had all the files. She had …
The Speaker The Speaker Now, let — Hon. Wayne Caines: Why would anyone . . . why would any Government Minister . . . why would an ybody in charge of justice have files outside of a go vernment office? Bermuda House of Assembly Some Hon. Members: Aah! Hon. Wayne Caines: What type of …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. We will take your point of order. What is yo ur point of order, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He keeps jumping up and down very excited. He is misleading the House. The case was in Massachusetts. Wouldn’t the files be in Massachusetts? There …
The Speaker The Speaker Take your seat. Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: I will try not to be distracted. I will try not to be distracted, because all of us . . . because all of us, all of us have operated outside the grounds of these particular hallowed halls. And we have …
The Speaker The Speaker I think you have stretched your point. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: No—
The Speaker The Speaker Member — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —just let me finish, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker —Member, Member, Member — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —you know those Members talk about blockchain— [Inaudible interjections ] [Gavel] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —and they talk about bloc kchain —
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, you continue on, and the door is going to be yours. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Well, that’s fine, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I asked you to cease—
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Walk, walk, walk.
The Speaker The Speaker Walk, walk, walk. Walk! [Applause and desk thumping]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Go and find the files. [At 8:43 pm, the Honourable Trevor Moniz, MP for constituency 9, left the Chamber.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, continue. Hon. Wayne Caines: The adage is that justice must not only be done, it must al so be seen to be done. The Attorney General stood tall in the face of oppos ition on both sides to her decision. And I applaud her decision to allow this matter …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member fr om constituency 11. You have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good evening to my co lleagues . . . well, those that are left. And good evening to the listening public, most important good evening to the listening public of Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, I would like to quote from Mr. Edmund Burke. “He was not merely a chip off the …
The Speaker The Speaker Members , Members.
Mr. Christopher Famous Going further, Mr. Speaker, the same Global Research asked the question, “Does Bermuda need a third political party?” Forty - eight of the people polled said yes. It went further on to ask, “Who should lead a third political party?” The person mentioned the most was the Honourable Member, Jeff …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, there is only Member talking.
Mr. Christopher Famous My apologies, Exhibit B. Now, Mr. Speaker, that Honourable Member who is never here . . . sorry, my apologies . . . hardly ever here . . . if he, I don’t know, wants to lead a third political party, maybe he is thinking to himself, Maybe I shouldn’t …
Mr. Christopher Famous Hmm, I’m thinking.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Superman.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Marc Bean.
Mr. Christopher Famous I am thinking, Why would he want to distance himself from the OBA? Would it be, “What if?” he thought to himself, I don’t want to be associated with a part that spent, committed $50 mi llion of the taxpayers’ money on Cross Island. Mr. Speaker, Cross Island . . …
Mr. Christopher Famous I will get to that.
The Speaker The Speaker One conversation, please, and it comes this way to the Speaker.
Mr. Christopher Famous Maybe that Honourable Member who is hardly here is thinking, The OBA puts politics over people. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Christopher Famous That Honourable Member who is hardly ever here, is thinking, Wow! Why did t he OBA commit almost four and a half million dollars to frivolous lawsuits? Four and a half million dollars, Mr. Speaker. Let us think about it. Earlier, the OBA was asking about education and—
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. Members. Hold on, Mr. Famous, have a seat. Do you have a problem on the floor? Is there a problem? [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Problem anywhere, gentlemen?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Mr. Famous, continue.
Mr. Christopher Famous Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Four and a half million dollars on frivolous lawsuits, one of which was totally dismissed today. Mr. Speaker, maybe that Honourable Member who is hardly ever here is thinking to himself, Why would I want to be associated with a party that has systematically gone after …
Mr. Christopher Famous I am thinking, maybe that Member whose hardly ever here is saying to himself, I really need to get out there and brand myself as an independent. He is thinking, Maybe I should join the Robin Hood corner, because . . . I do not know, Mr. Speaker, when you …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other . . . I recognise the Opposition Leader. Honourable Member, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Spe aker, my speech will be very brief.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: All I wanted to say to the Member who just raised something a minute ago is, I think that if he was listening to the poll that came from Global Research, I think I have to remind him that the same poll said that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member, for giving me a chuckle that time, as well! Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Honourable Member Scott, from constituency 36, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a highly momentous point in the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. It was. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Aimed at harming black leadership in this country —
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: —in general. And, in partic ular, aimed at harming the Progressive Labour Party pre the general election. [Desk thumping] Hon. Mic hael J. Scott: The second implication that we have in this House, and the public ought to be very concerned about, is the accountability …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Member. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I am grateful. That the case pleaded and approved by A ttorney General Moniz, as he then was, “an alleged Bermuda House of Assembly conspiracy between Lahey and Dr. Ewart Brown (‘Brown’). Brown is the former Premier of Bermuda, a longstanding Member of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A-ha! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael J. Scott: Was it? These matters should be carefully looked into. These matters should be carefully examined because there are implications for accountability and for this country. So we have lost money where we face a bill. The [former] Minister of Justice, complicit with him …
The Speaker The Speaker You have got a minute left, Member. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, so much. My, how time flies. The Attorney General was dealing with it and has led it to this phase, brought the matter to this point of the dock where an independent senior district judge has found …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. No other speakers? I recognise the Honourable Member De Silva. Honourable Member De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, here we are in the middle of the budget and we have heard from both sides …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Funds that are needed for programmes such as Financial Assistance; funds that are needed for new trash trucks; funds that are need-ed for new buses; funds that are needed to repair our schools; funds that are needed to educate our people. Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, he won’t. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But one thing that is very clear is that one particular Member, the former Attor-ney General . . . it is very clear to me that this was a persona l, racist vendetta against Dr. Brown.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It was personal. [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: To him it was through any means to get at Dr. Brown. And I have to ask another question, If you read the claim in that lawsuit, why didn’t the former Attorney General go the criminal route?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Aah! Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, I am not a lawyer, but there are certainly a few lawyers in the House. Why did the former Attorney General not go the criminal route? That is an important question too. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Leave it to the prosecutor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes! Or leave it to the prosecutor, exactly right! We heard over the last four years from the OBA Gov ernment how money does not grow on trees —and so did our seniors. I will never forget that one. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But I think that that Honourable Member is a very sad loser. If you read his reply today, I think he is a very sad loser. I asked him a couple of days ago in this House how he was able to get …
The Speaker The Speaker You have got about nine, just over nine minutes. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker You do not have to use it all though. — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am not going to take it all, Mr. Speaker. —
The Speaker The Speaker You do not have to use it all. All right. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But I would like to touch on something that my honourable colleague, MP Michael Scott, discussed. I think it was Michael. Yes. It was 1626 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Or the Attorney General. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Or the Attorney General. Mr. Speaker, the OBA record, their history is going to show a couple of things. And do you know what their history is going to show? They spent $100 million on a boat race. They spent …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Member Commi ssiong. You have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, pride proceedeth the fall of a man—and their Government — and, may I add, the former Attorney General. And, Mr. Speaker, I did not say that in jest. We still want him to produce the files. [Inaudible interjections and desk thumping]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I hope he is doing that now, wherever he is. Searching in his backyard, Mr. Speaker, in the trunk of his car, in his locker at the gym—bring those files! [Laughter and i naudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Bring those files back!
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong To know that a Bermuda Government in 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015 would violate due process on behalf of a naked, political agenda, or a political vendetta, boggles the mind. Who is safe? And let us remember that the ordeal for Dr. Brown and his family has not ended. We …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Six! By our own Police Service! When will it end? When will this political vendetta come to an end? But it is not the first. Dr. Nicholas Tweed, vendetta!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right!
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Political vendetta! What about the vendetta against the Berm udian people, Pathways to Status? The Pepper Protest? All the same thing. [Inaudible interjec tions]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong That is the MO. And I want to say this to some of my Members, with all due respect. Let us not give to Superman, the Member from constituency 25, nor the former leader of the OBA, any credit here. Because they willingly eng aged in an alliance with a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Whoa!
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong And we are supposed to have some sympathy for them now? If Jeffrey Baron, with all due respect, Mr. Speaker, was really interes ted about Bermuda he would do what Zane De Silva did, and cross the floor. Superman? He would never do that! [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong He would do what Zane De Silva did, and cross the floor. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong No, no. I repeat. Zane De Silva is here. Right? What I meant was, as a white Bermudian, if he was really interested in breaking the cycle and changing the dynamic, he would cross the floor. He would have joined the PLP. That is when he would have shown some …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong You see, Mr. Speaker, when the y saw the re -emergence of the UBP faction back in the 2014 period, they went from bad to worse. It brought back to the fore, the former Attorney GenBermuda House of Assembly eral that just walked out —or, ordered to leave the House—the …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I mean, it was amazing. Michael Fahy . . . as if nothing happened. I am still the smartest person in the room, according to M ichael Fahy. That is how . . . and the Member is so correct. The Member from [constituency] 2. Who should know better? The …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong They own the paper lock, stock, and barrel. And they can find the narrative ev ery day with th eir economic power —that which they would deny to everybody else—so that they can reign supreme like their fore- parents did, and have us on our knees begging for crumbs. Ewart …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear!
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Let’s celebrate that toget her. Let’s move forward in producing an agenda for all of Berm uda, including black Bermudians who continue to be marginalised. They would continue to have us in a country where, despite us being the numerical m ajority, they still hold all the reins of power, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: —today is probably a happy day for me to know that the judicial system in Boston did the right thing. Mr. Speaker, I love history. And what they are doing to Dr. Brown, they have done to others. In fact, it was in 1898 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Spencer Joseph. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: That is it, cousin. Spencer Joseph. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: That is right. 1628 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And Walt was there. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burges s, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Could not win! So he was sentenced to prison and fined. I think he was sentenced to four months in prison [and] fined a hundred pounds. If he did not pay the hundred pounds, he would have to serve an extra six months in …
The Speaker The Speaker You have got a minute left. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Oh, Mr. Speaker, then I better sit down. Thank you, very much.
The Speaker The Speaker I did not mean to sit you, but . . . I recogni se the Honourable Minister of Tourism. Honourable Minister of Tourism, you have the floor. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, leadership takes responsibility for their actions, right or wrong. Leadership [accepts] accountabilit y …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: There will be a lot of ti ppy-tapping of fingers when there should be clickety - clacking of tongues in here tonight, because leadership would get to their feet and say, We made a mi stake. Because the Honourable Member who was sent packing earlier …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, he is. [Laughter] Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Now, what has been missing from the leadership that pursued this course of action was a sense of fairness and a sense of justice. If a man has committed a crime, then the man should be tried in a criminal court. If …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the . . . [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, the Honourable Member wants to speak. Will you yield? Thank you. We recognise the Honourable Member, Mrs. Gordon- Pamplin. Honourable Member, you have the floor.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will start my comments tonight by acknowledging, for those who may not know or have seen, that I am black, and I am a woman, and I have been member of the One Bermuda Alliance. I was a member of the former party, …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin The judgm ent to which Members spoke— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 1632 9 March 2018 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. The issue that is being discussed tonight is a civ il matter and not the criminal matter of which the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Mr. Speaker, I am always honest with the people of this country. [Laughter]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin So, if I have misspoken, then I will withdraw that remark. I am saying that when we came to the Government I was made aware that there was an invest igation that was being conducted with respect to the individuals who are the subject of this particular pr otracted set …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Made aware of a criminal act.
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair, speak to the Chair, speak to the Cha ir.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened . . . I read, actually — [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin —a part of the judgment that was handed down, the order of dismi ssal by District Judge Indira Talwani, which was the reference to which the Honourable Member from [constituency] 36 started out his presentation. And the judgment [Order of Dismissal], among other things, effectively says, if you will allow …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin “Pursuant to the court’s Memorandum and Order [#48] issued on March 8, 2018, ALLOWING Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss the Plaintiff’s Complaint Pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(6) and 9(b) [#16] , the complaint is her eby dismissed. This case is CLOSED. IT IS SO O RDERED.” That being the …
The Speaker The Speaker You have a point of order? Hon. Wayne Caines: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker We will hear your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: The MP is misleading the House. The decision spoke to this matter not being able to establish a prima facie case for the RICO [Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations] statutes only. That is what she considered. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Honourable Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Not enough grounds, depending “on whether Bermuda has alleged domestic injuries to business or property caused by [their] conduct” under the RICO system within their jurisdiction.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We do not have a RICO. We do not have a RICO.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin So, let me just say that for what the RICO system is in the United States, not in Bermuda—their RICO sy stem in the United States. So, I listened very carefully to the Honourable Member from constituency 5, the Honourable Member Derrick Burgess, when he spoke of unsubstantiated evidence. I …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, nobody i n this House got a gun to their head to sign up to be an MP. If you cannot afford to be an MP, you should not have run.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin That is not a point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker That is more a point of information. But go ahead. [Laughter]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you! Thank you, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am saying that there are times when we have to make decisions to ensure that we can feed our families. And in so doing, it may be that an employment that we have been able …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin In that regard, Mr. Speaker, I think that, as you will know, last weekend I was going to be out of the House of Assembly, and I sent you notification to that effec t, because that is the right and decent thing to do. So, I am not going to …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Premier . . . Is there another Member who has risen to his feet? There is another Member who is indicating he wishes to speak. Hon. E. David Burt: We have plenty of time to speak. But I will yield. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker I woul d not put it in those terms, because I still see too many unacceptable absences. Everybody else notifies me when they are absent and gives me a proper reason. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I hope, Mr. Speaker, that you . . . sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker So I hope that you and I get an understanding that, as you counsel the younger Member, you get him to understand there is a process. And the process is not being lived up to at this point. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Of course, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker And I only entered the debate because you brought me into the debate when you said that I had spoken with him. And you implied that I was accepting what is happening. I am not. So let me put that there. Okay? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, Mr . Speaker. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker! The Member is misleading the House! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is doubletalk, Mr. Speaker!
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! You do not just jump up like that!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order, Mr. Speaker!
The Speaker The Speaker Take your seat! Continue on. Continue on. Continue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkl ey: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, before they coach themselves on the m otion to adjourn, perhaps they should speak on what approach they will take in the conversation. Now, Mr. Speaker, in the matter that was …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members forget about the $45 million that was spent on Grand Atlantic. And the lights are on, but t here is nobody in the home—$45 million, Mr. Speaker. That is a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because they voted you in! [Inaudible interjections] The Speaker: Members! Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Forty -five million dollars were spent on that. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, $120– 130– 140 million was spent on Berkeley, millions over budget. Money c ould have been spent in better places, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the tenure of the former Government police officers, who protect and serve us here in this community, …
The Speaker The Speaker Gentlemen, gentlemen. Gentlemen! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member from constituency 14 talked about the Confiscated Assets Funds. The Confiscated Assets Fund, until the change was made, I believe probably in 2014, was used specifically for Ministry of Finance dealings and Legal Affairs dealings, Mr. Speaker. Lit …
The Speaker The Speaker What are you reading from, again? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The judgment.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the important paragraph, “It may well be that Bermuda’s allegations as to Lahey’s commission of various predicate acts” — it may well be —“would suffice for criminal charges” and it lists the sections, “or civil enforcement proceedings brought by the Attorney General under” …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fortunately? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —for him to have the opportuni ty to speak to it in more detail. I have not crit icised your decision at all, Mr. Speaker. It was unfort unate. But, Mr. Speaker, from what I understand, before this action was taken in the court in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There you go. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker, yes. We do need to move forward. We do need to move forward, Mr. Speaker. And as the Premier at the time, I am willing to take all of the flak from Members on that side and the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any other — Premier, the floor is yours. Hon. E. David Burt: Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good night. Hon. E. David Burt: Good night, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Let us get it correct. Hon. E. David Burt: It is 10:26. We have had a long day of debate.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it has been. Hon. E. David Burt: Some Bills and some Budget items. Bermuda House of Assembly But the topic of the evening is the fact that the former Government could not find it within them to put the country’s interests ahead of their own narrow poli tical self …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Could not! Hmm. Hon. E. David Burt: That is the topic of discussion. And to hear the former Premier stand up and talk about bringing us al l together, when under his admi nistration they did nothing but try to tear this country apart, shows he has not learned the …
The Speaker The Speaker We will take the point of order. POINT O F ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I think he is misleading the House. Obviously, I cannot speak because I spoke earlier . . . [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I was just commenting on what we heard from the former Premier. Because the former Premier, of course, spent his time trying to waffle, as usual, trying to draw some false comparisons and trying to just basically spin out all of these …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members That is right! That is right! Hon. E. David Burt: They saw r ight through it. And what is interesting . . . Oh yeah, let us not forget the Commission of Inquiry. The former Premier of this country talked about bring this country together? When you are hauling civil …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Gracious! Commission of Inquiry? Hon. E. David Burt: Now here is the thing. And, you know, I must say that I am happy that the former Premier did get up, because I was thinking that he was just going to stay down there and, you know, let someone else handle …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh! Hon. E. David Burt: And if she really cared about figuring out whether or not what was going to be done in the name of the Cabinet and the Government, she would have asked for the information then. But do not come up here after you have lost an …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Point of order, Mr. Speak er.
The Speaker The Speaker We are going to yield to your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Members is misleading the House. In my comment, I did not say that I was aware of a criminal investigation. Some Hon. Member s: You sure did! Yes, you did! You did! You did! [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I said . . . I said —
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members, Members!
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I said . . . and the Hansard will show. I said that I was made aware that there was an investigation that had started preceding, predating our coming to the House. I did not say “ a criminal. ” The Member asked whether it was criminal, and I said …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We will let the Hansard make that decision.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you very much.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, from the former Premier to the former Leader of the Opposition, now we see why they are on that side. Because they cannot even accept what is plainly obvious, Mr. Speaker, that everyone in this country knows that they could not get …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Wow. Wow. Yes, they do. Yes, yes. Hon. E. David Burt: When you are the Attorney Ge neral of this country, and you assume office, and then when you are getting ready to le ave office you decide to take documents from the Attorney General’s Chambers to your private law …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, she is! Hon. E. David Burt: She is saying, Yes, they did! Yes, she was!
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I never said an ything about playing politics. I said, as the Honourable Member indicated, that had the charges been dropped we would have questioned why. Yes, we absolutely would have.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, you did not!
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin That is what I said. You all did not hear me. That is what I said.
The Speaker The Speaker We have got your point. We have got your point. Continue on. Hon. E. David Burt: I am so very happy, Mr. Speaker, that the Honourable former Opposition Leader conti nues to make my point every single time she gets to her feet. And I thank her for it, because …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Wow! Wow! Wow! Hon. E. David Burt: Those are the facts, Mr. Speaker. And there is not a single person on that side who sat in the Cabinet who will stand up on a point of or-der. Because they know it to be true. But, yet — [Inaudibl e interjections]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin The Honourable Member . . . It is total conjecture that the information that he h as just referenced was known generally by all of the Members of the Cabinet! The Member knows full well — [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin The Honourable Member knows full well that by standing on conjecture with no evidence there is no way that I am going to stand and say that I was made aware of what he is speaking about, and that I had prior knowledge. I had no prior knowledge. It did …
The Speaker The Speaker You stated your case that you were not aware, even though you were a Member of Cabinet. So, Honourable Premier, that particular former Minister is indicating that she was never made aware of it. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, it seems that there were a whole lot …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, yes! Oh, yes! Hon. E. David Burt: Just did not know. Because I am wondering if maybe . . . you know we used to . . . sometimes when I stood on that side, I used to sing. I am just wondering, you know, did the Attorney Ge …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Yes! Please do!
The Speaker The Speaker Well, Mr. Premier, let me just caution in this business. Is the email something that they would want to be publicly known? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, here is what I will tell you.
The Speaker The Speaker Just for caution. Hon. E. David Burt: The fact of the matter is that there was a complaint by the US Department of Justice that the former Government used information that was received in a mutual legal ass istance for a civil matter. Those are the facts.
The Speaker The Speaker And before you take your seat. Madam, before you take to your feet. Both of you take your seat, please. 1Premier, I cautioned you on that because it is sensitive. I do not think it should be m ade public. However, to satisfy, I will take a look at it. …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Mr. Speaker, for a point of clarity.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Will the Honour able Member let us know to whom that email was addressed? Since he has advocated the fact that all the Cabinet knew , can he explain and can he articulate to whom the email was addressed? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, take your seats again. I am trying to be balanced here. I have said that I am going to intercede. I am going to peruse what has been handed to me. And I will rule from there. Okay? Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, thank you. I will …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Let me hear you speak. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the former Attorney General of this country . . . his record speaks for itself. His very long history of actions, malicious actions and clearly malicious actions in office abusing (in my opi nion) his office; colluding …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members. I will not read the full content of this. I will not name who has been named, other than that it did come from a senior officer in the US Justice criminal department and was addressed to the former Attorney General’s Chambers. I will not name individuals; I …
The Speaker The Speaker I am confirming what they said. I co nfirm what this says. I cannot speak as to whether the individual who received it shared it with his colleagues. I was not in that room. I cannot then have a crystal ball that would tell me what happened in that room. …
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