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House of Assembly Session 2024/2025 576 speeches

May 16, 2025

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Session Summary

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This was primarily a budget session focused on education spending. The Minister presented the Ministry of Education's $149.2 million budget, which includes funding for education reform, new school facilities, and scholarship programs. Two ministerial statements were delivered - one announcing a new IT apprenticeship program to train Bermudians in technology skills, and another promoting a government summer program for children. Members also paid tribute to recently deceased community figures.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date May 16, 2025
Session 2024/2025
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Speakers 17
Speeches 576

Key Topics

Ministry of Education budget presentation ($149.2 million for 2025/26)Information Technology Development Programme - new 3-year apprenticeship programAdventure Daze! 2025 summer program for children ages 4-12Condolences for recently deceased community members including former Senator Larry ScottBermuda College graduation congratulations

Bills & Motions

Insurance Amendment Act 2025 - introduced for first reading by Junior Minister of Finance
Committee of Supply continued consideration of 2025/26 budget estimates (ongoing process)

Notable Moments

The IT apprenticeship program already has three participants who gave positive testimonials about gaining valuable technical and workplace skills
Multiple members praised the emotional Bermuda College graduation ceremony where the new president walked among students and two students graduated posthumously
Widespread condolences were expressed for former Senator Larry Scott, described as a respected attorney and politician who served from 1993-1997

Debate Transcript

576 speeches from 17 speakers
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Deputy Speaker Disclaimer deputy speaker The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informational purposes only. The printed version remains the official record. B ermuda House of Assembly BERMUDA H OUSE OF A SSEMBLY OFFICIA L HANSAR D REPORT 16 MAY 2025 10:02 AM Sitting Number 8 of the 20 25/2026 Session [ …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Good m orning , Members. We will have the prayer s. PRAYERS [ Prayers read by Ms . Kara Beale , Deputy Clerk ]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 9 May 2025, 12 May 2025, 14 May 2025]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We have confirmation of the minutes for 9 May, the minutes of 12 May and the minutes of 14 May [2025]. Does anyone have any objection to these minutes? There being none, they are approved. [ Minutes of 9 May 2025, 12 May 2025, 14 May 2025 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Speaker, as you all know, is absent. The Premier may likely be absent for part of the day. He is attempting to be back. Member Ming is absent for today. Member De Silva is absent for today. There are no other apologies. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE The Deputy Speaker: There are none. PETITIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker We have two Statements. I call on the Minister of Cabinet Office to present his first Statement —his only Statement. APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMME: THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, this Government recognises the critical role that a robust and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. I call on the Minister from Youth, Social Development and Seniors. Minister. OUT OF SCHOOL PROGRAMME ADVENTURE DAZE! 2025 Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am pleased to rise this morning to inform Honourable Members of this House and the Public about the Out …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No Member indicated that they wanted to ask questions, so there is no question period today . CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I recognise the Member from constituency 25. Member you have the floor.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Good morning, Madam Deputy Speaker. Thank you. I would like to congratulate all the graduates of the Bermuda College and commend them on their educational journey. Those who know me know I am a big fan of higher education and I wish them continued further success. I would also like …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Does anyone else wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 13. Member, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker I would like to join in with the congratulations to the nearly 100 graduates 544 16 …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does anyone else wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 4. Member, you have the floor. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. You brought tears to my eyes, Minister Diallo, in regard to the congratulatory remarks for the Bermuda College graduates, particularly D …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 20. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Michael Fahy Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, we have all now heard about the very sad passing of Counsellor Larry Scott and I am sure the House would be enjoined in condolences to his family. Larry and I had a great relationship over the years, had many, many robust …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Keep going.
Mr. Michael Fahy Thank you. Obviously , his brother Randy has been in the House assisting over the last little while now and I am sure Michael as well is devastated. I did not know the rest of his family. I am sure others did know his family very well. But it is …
Mr. Michael Fahy I associate the whole House. Thank you for that. Yes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 22. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like to convey formal condolences to the family of Wayne Cromwell Simmons . I attended his funeral yesterday …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from c onstituency 2. Member , you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Good morning, Madam Deputy S peaker . I would like to be associated with the condolences to family member Larry Scott from Somerset, who was one of those many former Southampton Gleb e, now Dalton E . Tucker [Primary] students that served in the legislature. Larry served in the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, M ember. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Minister from constituency 15. Member, you have the floor . Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you and good morning, Madam Deputy speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, I would like to rise this morning to offer congratulations …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Just on the bell. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 12. Member, you have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, thank you. First of all, I would like to be associated with the remarks concerning the passing of Larry Scott. I …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 9. Member, you have the floor. Mr. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Madam. Deputy Speaker. I would like to send out congratulatory remarks to Shequita Parson (with no “s”). She went 50 yesterday. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. Vance Campbell So, we like to associate the entire House with that. I think most people in here know her or knew of her. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other persons who wish to speak? There being none, we move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Is there anyone introducing the Insurance Amendment Act? I recognise the Junior Minister for Finance. Member, you have the floor. BILL Bermuda House of Assembly FIRST READING INSURANCE AMENDMENT ACT 2025 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Good morning, [Madam] Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. We move on. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Which now brings us to the Orders of the Day for the resumption in Committee of Supply for further consideration of Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Minister, Acting Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Good morning, Madam Deputy Speaker. I move that the house do now resume …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Is that approved by Members? Yes. House in Committee at 10:35 am [Mr. Christopher Famous , Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2025/26
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Honourable Members, and to the listening public. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditures for the year 2025/26. This morning’s first debate will be on the Ministry of Education and the former Minister of Educa-tion, now present Minister …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Minister. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, on behalf of Senator, the Hon. Crystal C. Caesar, JP, Minister of Education, I will now present the budget for the Ministry of Education, which comprises the Ministry of Education Headquarters (Head 16), the Department of …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The mission of the Ministry Headquarters [HQ], which is found on page B -134, is to provide strategic leadership and policy direction for education and lifelong learning. The objectives of the Ministry Headquarters have been outlined accordingly on the same page. …
The Chairman Chairman Pause please, Minister. The House would like to recognise Senator Crystal Caesar, Minister of Education, her PS and one other lady. Welcome, ladies. Respice finem. Sorry, you can continue. He did not understand that. You can continue. [Committee of Supply, continuation thereof] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Chairman, another …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates and Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain is delivering the budget for the Ministry of Education. He is now on Head 17. Hon. Diallo …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. For the benefit of Honourable Member s and the listening audience, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2025/26. Minister Diallo Rabain is giving a report on the budget for the Ministry of Education. He has …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Minister Diallo Rabain has concluded his presentation for the Ministry of Finance. The Chair now is asking if anyone else would like to speak. Member from constituency 8, Smith’s South. Benjamin Smith, Berkeleyite, Shadow Minister of Education you now have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning. Good afternoon, I should say. The first thing I would like to do is actually take this opportunity to thank the Minister that just fin-ished reading that brief and to the Minister of Education, because last night they actually sent me the brief …
Mr. Ben Smith So now, Mr. Chairman, going toward the questions that arose from listening to the brief that was presented this morning, I would like to start off with Head 16, Ministry of Education Headquarters. We will start with . . . on page B -134. Just skimming through cause some of …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, I am going to pause you right there. We are now at that hour where— [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman —you are not recognised. Hold on. We are now at that hour where it's now 12:30. For the benefit of the listening audience and Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26 Shadow Minister of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12:32 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:04 pm [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2025/26 [Continuation thereon]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Members. We are in the Committee of Supply for Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the budget year 2025/26. Before the short lunch adjournment we heard from the former Minister of Education who was kindly presenting the heads for the Ministry of Education for the Minister of Education …
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good afternoon. I hope everyone had a good break away from the House. When I left, I was continuing on with some discussion around substitute teachers on page B -138. It’s 27160. The Chairman: Thank you.
Mr. Ben Smith And where I was leaving off was that there is a potential need for teachers to receive some assistance due to some kind of strong issues that happen within that particular job. It can be a stressful job, and we've had some added pressures with what has happened with COVID …
Mr. Ben Smith So, Mr. Chairman, there seems to be an increase d use of paraprofessionals . I think it would be important for the listening public to understand what the difference between a paraprofessional and a teacher is , what the qualification difference is , what the expected support level is for …
The Chairman Chairman Which is Hearing.
Mr. Ben Smith Which is Hearing. The Chairman: Yes.
Mr. Ben Smith I just have a question because I know specifically that Gilbert Institute was a school that actually had quite a bit of sign language that was hap-pening in the school . There were some programmes there, specifically . And considering that that school is closing , if we could get …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. 570 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: So, I see the funding that is there for Educational Stores , which is going to be an area where teachers would be able to go and get their supplies for their classroom. I think …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith But the actual in this year's [Budget] Book shows $1,723,000.
The Chairman Chairman Right. That's page B-140 under 1707 and it's T . N. Tatem, line item 27590.
Mr. Ben Smith Yes. Correct .
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Okay. I’m with you.
Mr. Ben Smith So we went, zero- zero, and then $1,723,000. Okay. S o then that makes me then look at what happens next . So in 2024/ 25—
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith —there was also zero budgeted.
The Chairman Chairman Right. The original.
Mr. Ben Smith But the revised shows $ 1,361,000. So once again this is a closed school . Zero is budgeted. And then later on we are seeing a significant number being added to the budget . So, if we could get some clarity . And the reason that that would be important …
Mr. Ben Smith So, if you follow the way it has happened up until now , potentially , in next year's Budget Book, we're going to see a significant number that was not budgeted that appears for a school that's closed. So, I think we really need to get some clarity on how …
The Chairman Chairman I see the point .
Mr. Ben Smith —looking at Clearwater M iddle School , which has obviously had its budget reduced, because that facility is closed. And it is $497,000 so I guess the first step would be, C an we get some clarity of what the $497,000 is in relation to when it comes to Clearwater …
The Chairman Chairman And that's the $ 497,000 on page B - 140 at line item 27530 for Clearwater ?
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, correct.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. T hank you.
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Chairman, I'm moving on to 1708 which is the S enior Schools . So at this time, really what I'd like to see is , How are we assessing the data that is being collected from our senior schools ? We have a significant budget . You've seen the …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith But then you look at the revised, it was $764[,000] and now we are budgeting at $1.25 [million].
Mr. Ben Smith So the question is, If we were able to reduce the energy significantly in this last year , why are we budgeting such a higher number this time around? And if that is the case, are we looking at any ways of adding renewable energy to try to reduce this …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] 144, B -144? 572 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: [Page] B -144. Y es.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Ben Smith So, starting at the . . . we're going to start at 1702, Student Services .
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith And the percentage of students for whom intervention plans were created with fidelity is 100 per cent. That's what the performance measure says here. So can the Minister please provide how many students required . . . Right? Because it's 100 per cent but 100 per cent of what ? …
Mr. Ben Smith Can the Minister provide details on the assessments that were done in preschools? Because the indication is that 90 per cent met the established standards for literacy and numeracy.
The Chairman Chairman The target outcome.
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Mr. Ben Smith So this seems to indicate that there was only a small percentage of the preschool population that was flagged for needing interventions. Right? So, if the starting point of our education process is doing really well, at this 90 per cent rate, —
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith —it would determine that once they are handed off to primary school, we are actually in a good position. Because this assessment is saying that. So, if we can get some more detail on what that assessment is. And if it is , in actual fact, getting us that level …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, page B -145.
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, for Primary Schools, 1705.
Mr. Ben Smith The measure[/indicator] says P4 to P6 achieving targeted growth for reading. Only 60 per cent achievement after a target of 65 per cent.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith So can the Minister please give an indication of the numbers? The assessment is looking at three or higher. So what is the number? Like, explain to us what one is, what two is, what three is, how high up does it go? So that we have an understanding. Because …
The Chairman Chairman What “3” is out of.
Mr. Ben Smith Yes. What does that mean?
The Chairman Chairman I understand.
Mr. Ben Smith And then what percentage is reaching the highest number? What percentage is reaching the lowest number? Because this is simply talking about what is reaching what was the target? And the percentage of people reaching the target was 60 per cent. So, what are those other indicators so that we …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, the bottom box.
Mr. Ben Smith So, in here it talks about students who have taken the IGCSE [International General Certificate of Secondary Education] at this stage at Middle School. And it says “Students passing IGCSEs (English and Math),” and it is at 85 per cent.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith My question is, What percentage of students in middle school are taking these exams so that we have an understanding of what portion of the student population is in this category that is getting to this level early and being able to get there at this 85 per cent mark? …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Ben Smith: So now we are going to turn to page B-146, and we are moving on to secondary schools. So this is 1708, Secondary Schools. And following on the same kind of line that I was on previously, you know, it says Students …
The Chairman Chairman So we are now at page B -146? Yes?
Mr. Ben Smith Yes, correct.
The Chairman Chairman Unit 1708, this is unit 1708?
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Ben Smith How many IGCSE exams are available to the students? Right? Because some people would have taken those exams in middle school in English and math, so if we could get an indication whether there are multiple other subjects that would then be available to them in secondary schools so that …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. [Pause]
Mr. Ben Smith Give me a minute.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. While the Honourable Shadow Minister is looking at his notes , just to remind the listening public that we are in the Committee of Supply for Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for the year 2025/ 26. This afternoon's debate, continuing from this morning, is on the Ministry of …
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm now going to move on to [page] B-147, Early Childhood Education. It is 1712. So considering the increase in resources that has been given, why is the forecast of assessments dropping from 600 screenings in 2024/25 to 400 in 2025/26? I know that …
The Chairman Chairman This is still a page B-147, business unit 1712, the second box down?
Mr. Ben Smith Correct.
Mr. Ben Smith And considering th at early intervention is going to be really important in making sure that we are giving the support to students on their educational journey , the number seems to be low for the people that are receiving the intervention. I could be wrong, so if the M …
Mr. Ben Smith And it's going to come under . . . it's still under the head of Education—
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith —but line item is 75008.
The Chairman Chairman Education Minor Works.
Mr. Ben Smith Minor Works.
Mr. Ben Smith So, would the M inister be able to give us a breakdown of the schools that would be receiving and just an indication of what potential M inor Works are going to be needed at these facilities ? You know , as the school year goes through there are certain …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Ben Smith Now which schools will have renovated bathrooms with the $125,000 that is allocated ? Is this a situation where these are problems that have been kind of brought to everyone's attention this year ? Or is this just scheduled that happens on an ongoing basis ? Are these major problems …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member for constituency 8. Minister , do you wish to address some of those questions , or should I see if other people on the floor have questions first ? I'm happy to be guided by you. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please. P lease proceed, M inister, you have the floor . [Crosstalk] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I will endeavour to answer now. I'm looking at the . . . this technology is just so wonderful . [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I'm looking at the 50 questions …
The Chairman Chairman I was just going to ask, Minister, that's just something you have as a parent, not something you have as the former Minister of Education. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes. It is something that I have as a parent —
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —and all parents have access to PowerSchool, to Schoology and the like. And you actually get that access when your child starts at the . . . I want to say the preschool level. And that will follow you through until the end of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —and if anyone else—
The Chairman Chairman We have been hearing from the Honourable Minister Diallo Rabain, former Minister for Ed-ucation. There is about 45 minutes left in the debate. Does any Member have . . . I see the Honourable— [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Oh, okay. Yes, I see the Honourable Member for constituency [10]. MP King, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a couple of questions as relates to the performance measures, page B -141, Current Account Estimates. There is … it's documented that the salaries have increased by $2,287,000. And rightly so. Teachers should be compensated for the hard work that they do to …
Mr. Robert King That’s correct.
The Chairman Chairman —business unit 1707, [regarding] middle schools. And the target outcome figure on the right-hand side. Is that correct?
Mr. Robert King That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please continue.
Mr. Robert King I'll draw your attention as well to page B -146, Performance Measure, business unit 1708, Senior Schools. Target outcome [is] 55 per cent. Student scoring is three or higher for writing. Target growth [is] 50 per cent. So, if we are trying to challenge our children, as I said before, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to contribute to the debate? I recogni se the Honourable Member for constituency 8. MP Ben Smith , you have the floor .
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I thank the Minister for the answers he provided. To this point , some of the answers made me think of follow -up questions to some of those answers . So, on page B -140, I'm just going to circle back to my question on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Is there any other Honourable Member who wishes to contribute to the debate? Honourable Member DeCouto, I actually saw someone standing behind you first . I apologi se. So, it's MP K ing, Honourable Member for constituency [10], you have the floor .
Mr. Robert King Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have one more question that follows on from what my colleague was expressing about assessments . Page B-147, Performance Measures , Head 17, Department of Education. P ercentage of clients assigned to or eligible for early intervention who receive early intervention services . Actual …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. A nd that's in relation to page B-147 of the Budget Book under business unit 1712 , Early Childhood Measures . Yes, Minister, would it be convenient if we take a further question and then . . . Yes. Honourable Member for constituency 25, you have the floor …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, thank you , Mr. Chairman. And certainly, like my colleagues , I am very grateful for this good briefing by the Minister. A nd it's been very informative. P age B -134, the Educational Reform Unit is budget ed for $3.925 million. B ut then if we go over …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. I f you pause and keep flipping and I'll just address the listening public . We are in the C ommittee of S upply for Estimates of R evenue and Expenditure for the year 2025 /26. N amely , the Budget Debates . This afternoon's debate …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I turn to page B -138 and I noticed that the budget for school psychology is going up 50 per cent from . . . or $449,000. But I noticed that the staff number or the FT E has only gone up by plus one. S …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] B -144.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —the performance measures . And I note the compliance with the fire drill under 1703 , and of course, I know when I was in school, we all loved the little fire drill. S o if not for the benefit of the students but having had experience with an actual …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to contribute to the debate? I recogni se the Honourable Shadow Minister Ben Smith , MP.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I believe there were a couple of questions that I asked that might not have been answered before. I asked a question about what that number “3” means in the performance measures , just so that we have an idea where it says that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Minister, would you like to address a few of those or should I see if there are further questions out there? I'm in your hands . [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. S o we'll now hear from the Minister for the Cabinet Office who is the former Minister of Education and is fielding the brief today for the debate on these heads . Thank you. Minister, you have the floor . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Who knows , I …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: MP Smith, there is another question that was missed that I see here. What is the estimated timeline for reform being completed? As there is a multi- year process , following the review and assessment that I referred to earlier , the Minister will …
The Chairman Chairman While the Minister 's just double checking that answer , we have about 25 minutes or so left in this debate. Yes, Minister. 584 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I was waiting for the answer to be here but apparently, I know the answer . [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The ERU —and this I believe was MP DeCouto. The ERU is actually made up out of staff …
The Chairman Chairman And for the benefit of the public , the ERU is the Educational Reform Unit. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. Why is the budget for school double d? Oh, and I was going to mention also, MP DeCouto, if you remember back to the mid -term budget adjustments …
The Chairman Chairman Three out of . . . Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Three out of . . .
The Chairman Chairman Maximum of five , is it? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I believe it's three out of five.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The 2023/24 SIP objectives. At the time it was 23 per cent and schools for math was 41 per cent, 11 per cent, and now those have been removed. H ow would we get this information now and whether it has improved since time …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Rabain. Does any other M ember wish . . . I see the Honourable Member for constituency 8, MP Ben Smith . You have the floor .
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just go back to page B-141. From the answer that the Minister gave on the increase in energy was based off of an increase of the office building. J ust if we could get an indication, is the office space significantly bigger ? …
The Chairman Chairman This is page —
Mr. Ben Smith This is page B -141.
The Chairman Chairman —B-141. And it's the energy line item—
The Chairman Chairman —for expenditure. And it was the point that the estimate is $ 1.245 million now .
Mr. Ben Smith Correct . Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: —Up from revised of $764 [thousand].
Mr. Ben Smith And the response that the Minister just gave me , up from page B -145, for primary schools 1705 .
Mr. Ben Smith The questions that I asked about those actual outcomes . So, the answer is that they were coming up 1 per cent short and that is what was causing the issue. T he question is , If the target was already low and they were coming in 1 per cent …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any other Honourable Member s who wish to contribute to the debate ? I see the Honourable Member for constituency 9 [sic]. MP Robert King, you have the floor .
Mr. Robert King Constituency 10, sir.
The Chairman Chairman My apologies . I think I got that wrong last time as well . Yes. It's MP Campbell in [constituency] 9. Isn't it ? Mr. Robert King: Yes, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry.
Mr. Robert King No worries . [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Robert King Regarding page B-147, performance measures . If I understand the H onourable Minister properly , he was saying that the families who gained knowledge, skills , and tools from participation in parent education classes and groups , that was as a result of the different types of students that were …
Mr. Robert King Okay, well, I'm glad I'm asking then . That's good. Okay. G ood. I'm glad. And to the second part , percentage of clients assigned to or eligible for early intervention who re-ceive early intervention services . If I understand the Honourable Minister correctly , that had been discontinued. I'm …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member for constituency 10. Are there any other Honourable Member s . . . I see MP Smith , again, for constituency 8. Shadow Minister, you have the floor .
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm just going to go back to page B -146, Secondary School . I asked those questions about IGCSE and I'm very thankful that the Minister gave those responses about the breakdown on what the students are able to take from IGCSEs . And …
Mr. Ben Smith I just think it's important that if that is the case that we do all that we can to highlight those 586 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly subjects so that , once again, it's also about perception. We never want to be standing to our …
The Chairman Chairman This is not commendations, but no doubt the whole House would be associated with that one. But does any other Member wish to speak in the debate ? We have about 10 to 15 minutes left in the debate. A ny other M ember wish to put questions to the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Constituency 8. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: MP Smith, constituency 8. The . . . here . . . it is an addition here, the . . . Wait a minute I was just about to say it and then it got highlighted . So, I want to make sure. …
The Chairman Chairman I think you were still to identify the number of AP students . You did CedarBridge and you were going to come back I think for Berkeley. B ut maybe you— Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: No, I said I would await. And it says here we are awaiting their …
The Chairman Chairman —I will see if anyone has any — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —reached out to —
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to contribute to the debate? There being none, Minister, I think that that will therefore conclude the debate. W e'll finish a touch early . And if I can invite you to move that your heads be taken under consideration. Hon. Diallo …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the following heads , Head 16, Ministry of Education Headquarters ; Head 17, Department of Education; and Head 41, Bermuda College be now taken under consideration. Is there any objection ? Those heads will now be taken under consideration. Minister, if you will now move …
The Chairman Chairman You did. I'm sorry . Well, you are ahead of me. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I was ahead of you. Okay.
The Chairman Chairman You were ahead of me. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I will do it again.
The Chairman Chairman Well, if you do it again. T hank you . Thank you. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that H eads 16, 17 and 41 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 16, 17 and 41 all relating to the Minist ry of Education be approved as printed. Is there any objection to that motion? There being none . . . Heads 16, 17 and 41 shall be approved as printed. [Motion carried: The Ministry of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Thanks to the Shadow Minister and to all the other MPs who contributed to the debate. And I see that MP F amous is now here to take the Chair, and I will bid you all a good afternoon. MP Famous. [Mr. Christopher Famous, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon to the listening public [and] Members in the H ouse. We are now in C ommittee of S upply for further consideration of the Estimates of R evenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/ 26. W e are going to be debating the Ministry of Finance, Heads 10, …
The Chairman Chairman I'm blessed. Hon. E. David Burt: That's good. 588 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly My flight was delayed so I am f resh off the plane right into the House of Assembly .
The Chairman Chairman Jet lag ? Hon. E. David Burt: We'll make it work . Mr. Chairman, I move the following heads, Head 10, Ministry of Finance Headquarters ; Head 11, Account ant General; Head 12, Customs; Head 28, Social Insurance, Head 38 , Office of Tax Commissioner , Head 39, Registrar of …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. Hon. E. David Burt: And, Mr. Chairman, if I may note , I will not be doing all the talking as the Junior Minister of Finance will also be presenting some of the heads . So, it will be a joint effort from the Ministry of Finance.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Great collaboration. Hon. E. David Burt: That is what we are doing.
The Chairman Chairman The time is now exactly 4:00 pm. T his debate is scheduled for four hours of debate. You may proceed. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will start with H ead 10 . And then I will defer to the Junior Minister for …
The Chairman Chairman I couldn’t hear you, Minister. Would you repeat that, please? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes. Mr. Chairman. I am happy to repeat that because we speak about targeted in-vestment in tax policies to enhance economic growth and I wanted to repeat that this Government has a considered record of reducing …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening public and the Honourable Members we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. We are debating the Ministry of Finance. The Honourable Premier, Minister of Finance, is giv-ing the brief. He …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Do you yield?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto It is a point of order, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, he yields.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I believe the Premier is inadvertently misleading the public when he says that the Opposition stated that the Government spent money on various things with the Fairmont issue. I believe the Opposition’s key concern was that the company that the Government has chosen to support was not able to spend …
The Chairman Chairman I am sure there will be robust debate this evening. Hon. E. David Burt: Far be it from me, Mr. Chairman, to point out that is not a point of order. The Honourable Member will have plenty of time to go ahead, but it is clear that that Member and …
The Chairman Chairman Please hold there, Minister. For the benefit of the listening public and Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. We are now debating the Ministry of Finance. The Hon-ourable Premier, who is also the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister of Finance. The Chair now recogni ses the Junior Minister of Finance, Wayne Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am carrying the baton on for the Premier and Minister of Finance for Head 11 and Head 12. HEAD 11 —ACCOUNTANT GENERAL Hon. Wayne …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member from constituency 6, in the Bible Belt. Premier, you now have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I thank that Honourable Member from the Bible Belt for his assistance, Mr. Chairman. I am going to cover Head 28, which is social insurance, before I turn …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. The floor recognises Junior Minister Wayne Furbert from c onstituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. HEAD 38 —OFFICE OF THE TAX COMMISSIONER Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 38, the Office of the Tax …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience we are Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. The Honourable Minister of Finance has taken to his feet and will present this budget. Debate began approximately two hours ago, and we have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier and Finance Minister. Honourable Members, we are now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the budget year 2025/26. This is the debate on the Ministry of Finance and specifically Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39 and …
The Chairman Chairman But before I do, I will recognise the Financial Secretary, [Chidozie Ofoego,] who is in the Chamber today. Good to see you. Thank you, yes. [Committee of Supply, continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman The Honourable Member for constituency 25.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Very much appreciated. And I certainly appreciate the Premier and Finance Minister ensuring we have enough time to ask questions.
The Chairman Chairman We have one hour and 30 minutes left.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is well appreciated. And I know that other Ministers have certainly also done that. It gives us a chance to have a robust debate as the prior Chair indicated. I will probably start with the Head 58, Debt & Loan Guarantees. I did note that the Premier said that …
The Chairman Chairman [Page] C -30?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, page C -30.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Debt & Loan Guarantees. Dr. Douglas DeCouto: I am also looking at the hospital guarantee. I appreciate that that number looks very big. If I recall from previous debates, it is not just the principle underlying the loan to the private organisation that built the hospital which we pay. …
The Chairman Chairman That is the $696 million figure on [page] C -30.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, under the Bermuda Hospitals Board. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Okay. Since we are over in the “C”s, page C -30, same page. I notice between this Budget Book and some prior Budget Books, I believe the Sinking Fund decreased during 2023/24 by $58 million. And in 2024/25 it is projected to decrease by $42 million. Could the Premier and …
The Chairman Chairman This is Point 11 in the box of page B - 107?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. That is Point 11 in the box on page B -107.
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Could the Minister help elucidate the difference of responsibilities between the Ministry of Finance and CITA when it comes to setting our CIT [Agency] policies? Because from my understanding, we are going to fill that organisation, in fact, with tax experts. If anything, I feel like the guidance would be …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Looking at the revenue. Thank you for the explanation of the BMA profits, Mr. Premier. That was much appreciated. I am looking at the Corporate Income Tax revenue of $187,500,000.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Could the Premier and Minister of Finance provide an explanation of how that number was derived? I know in the past he has referred to different estimates. For example, have we obtained multiple estimates to challenge that number so we can stress test it? Because the strength of this budget …
The Chairman Chairman It sounds perilously close to the same name for the Cayman Regulator: CIMA and CITA, I think, C -I-T-A might be better.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The CIT Agency. Perhaps I will go with that.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I would like to know if, in fact, the CIT Agency has put in place a specific policy to follow around how to allocate any incoming CIT funds between the Government’s Consolidated Fund and refund reserve fund. Going back to the revenue page B -109.
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto If they do answer how much of the total paid, that would answer my question of how much of that money is being held back for the refund reserve. I asked about the policy. I will follow up on that policy. Is there some approval? Is it something that is …
The Chairman Chairman The number being the $187 million?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. Of that number, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto How many registered taxpayers are there? Because my understanding is by the legislation the taxpayers are supposed to register that they intend to be paying tax. And perhaps the Finance Minister and Premier can provide some indication of how concentrated the payers are in that number. For example, what fraction …
The Chairman Chairman Top 10 payers.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Okay. I feel like Columbo up here, Mr. Chairman, with all of these papers. Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Well, you have some time.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, I know. Okay. I am going to turn now to Head 11. Actually, I am going to stick on Head 10, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And we are going to look on page B -108. The Cyber Incident. Could the Finance Minister and Premier provide a breakdown of where those funds were paid? Who were they paid to and in what amounts? We would appreciate that.
The Chairman Chairman That is line item 20996?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, 20996, Cyber Incident 2023.
The Chairman Chairman In the sum of $3 million and change.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. The Gaming Commission Grant. Which I guess is now nice and steady. We certainly appreciated the Premier’s comments about it. I think I heard that there is actually gaming happening on cruise ships, so perhaps the Premier and Finance Minister 620 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House …
The Chairman Chairman That is in relation to the $800,000?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. To the $800,000 that is funding the Gaming Commission.
The Chairman Chairman At 20110, page B -108.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. 20110.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The following item on page B - 108 is Corporate Income Tax, 20120. If we could have an overview of what it is being spent on. Again, I am just a little confused. The Premier was speaking very quickly, and I could not quite follow everything. If I heard correctly, …
The Chairman Chairman And that is line item 20120 on page B-108.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is correct, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Remaining on page B -108 and moving down to the Subjective Analysis. I see that the salaries for the HQ are up 20 per cent, but the headcount is only up plus -1 per cent. I do know that there have been the salary raises, we have heard quite a …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That would be the page B - 108, Junior Minister, the Salaries line.
The Chairman Chairman So the top line of the Subjective Analysis box at the bottom of the page. Dr. Douglas DeCouto: Yes. That is right. It is the top line.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I thank the Honourable Premier for his brief because I was certainly wondering what this special insurance line is here. Because we also have some insurance lines in other places of the Budget Book, and he has clarified that was for cyber insurance. I think we can all appreciate the …
The Chairman Chairman And that is the line item four from the bottom on page B -108?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, we are still referring to insurance, because my understanding from the brief was that was cyber insurance.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Understood. And that is the sum of $560,000.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is correct.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I am going back to CIT numbers in the revenue. page B -109.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And of course we have the Corporate Income Tax on $187,500. The Premier may not wish to answer this, but if they wanted to give us a preview of what these payments might look like over the next three or four quarters, that would certainly help us understand and draw …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I only say, Mr. Chairman, because if I turn to page A -1, I can see there is a line, line 1(a) for Corporate Income Tax. And there is an estimate of $600 million in the 2026/27 and the 2027/28.
The Chairman Chairman That is [page] A -1?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. Hopefully the Government could give us some indication of how those might break out by quarter, because that would help us figure out how much would get into . . . as you know, our budget years are not aligned on the annual year. So that would help us …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Still referring to the Corporate Income Tax income on that same line. What risk factors has the Government considered around the robustness of that estimate? We know that there has been some feedback from the OECD about our particular CIT legisla-tion. We know that under …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Is the Government considering adding any other performance measures here having to do with fiscal guardrails? There could be some appetite for that from the public. Especially the management of the Corporate Income Tax. Turning forward to page B -111 under Head 11, the Accountant General —
The Chairman Chairman Before you proceed, may I just check with the Junior Minister whether you would wish to reply head by head or have all the questions? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will take all the questions.
The Chairman Chairman Fine. Duly noted. If you could just continue with your questions, then. Thank you.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I can be flexible so if there is a change of heart we can deal. Right. Where were we? Page B -111.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The total expenditure has a 23 per cent growth of $20 million. I know that some of that was covered. The GEHI, the increase in debt was covered. I would like to get the answers to the prior questions about the Sinking Fund because I think some of that was …
The Chairman Chairman That is line item 21030 on page B - 111?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, 21030, Government Employee Health Insurance. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Ok. Yes. [Inaudible interjection]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I did hear something in the corner. I know that some people think the legislation is the reason. I note that there is some legislation in place they might be referring to. But this year we have chosen to pay it above the line and so I would like to …
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And so I would like to understand what the Government is doing to fix that prob-lem so that the Auditor General can have the confidence to provide an unqualified opinion on the reports. [Inaudible interjection] 622 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Dr. Douglas DeCouto: Well, …
The Chairman Chairman That is the top box there?
The Chairman Chairman The “Not Achieved.”
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is right, Mr. Chairman. The second row down on page B -114.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I see it. Thank you.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Okay. Now I turn back to page B -111.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Sorry. Financial Reporting, unit 21001—
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —was budgeted for $580[,000] originally last year but only came in at $329,000. But this year is budgeted to go up to $713,000.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto There was quite a lot in the brief but perhaps the Junior Minister could narrow down precisely what was driving those changes, Mr. Chairman, because it does seem quite volatile. I see 21008 under Financial Systems. Again, quite a lot of movement year on year. I think that was kind …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Still on page B -111.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Dr. Douglas DeCouto: If I understand correctly, that is the initiative to ensure that we can not only get accounts for the Government’s Consolidated Fund, but we can get accounts for all of the various quangos and bodies and so forth that are sort of related to the Government. …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And now it is going down to $7,000. I guess I should feel glad there is some mon-ey in there that I imagine would be to move this initiative along. But I see one headcount on page B -113, again, for 21100. So, I do not understand how $7,000 is …
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That would be appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Remaining on page B -111.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The Superannuation Fund. I have to say, I know that the staff and employees of the Government have received raises. We have heard a lot about that. So, I am little confused why we do not really see material increases in the contributions to the public sector superannuation fund. That …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Because I was expecting to see that go up along with the salaries, Mr. Chairman. I think I have an inkling, but I just want to make sure I get that right. So can the Junior explain that? I also see a slight decrease in the Contributory Pension contributions. Could …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Right. Okay. We are in the Committee of Supply for consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the budget year 2025/26. I think we are doing all the heads in the Ministry of Finance, given how many are on the page. I believe it is all the heads.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto We are not doing . . . Mr. Chairman, we are skipping Land Valuation.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, we are skipping Land Valuation. All right. In which case, we are doing Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39 and 58. We have heard from both the Minister of Finance, who is, of course, the Premier, and from the Junior Minister of Finance. And we are now hearing …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman And we have one hour left.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Perfect. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All right, so we are on page B -116 and we are looking at Head 12, Customs. We heard a lot about the customs duty costs, customs duty cuts. Probably there could be instances there where perhaps the Government could consider giving even larger cuts, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I see that.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Can we have an explanation as to what changes have been made to let them actually achieve that $3.1 million? Also, if the objective is $4.6 million, I am not sure why they are budgeting $3.1 million. Perhaps the subjective should be $4.6 [million]. Remaining under that business unit, Compliance, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. We are moving on now to Head 38, are we?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. Flipping a page to B -120.
The Chairman Chairman Office of the Tax Commissioner.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That’s right. We are glad to hear about the various initiatives in the Office of the Tax Commissioner. I certainly had to interact with it a few times over the year s, and they are often very helpful. One thing that we can say about G overnment departments is that …
The Chairman Chairman And that is in respect of the $621 million-odd at page B -122?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto That is right. It is revenue source 8017, Payroll Tax.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I see that. So, where that is coming from.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. Following on, Mr. Chairman, we hear a lot about the CIT. And one of the tenets of the CIT is a thing called “qualified refundable tax credits.” And I am not going to bore everybody with that here. But, companies are going to be paying more tax. And they …
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto —and you can see the Revenue Estimates out through 2026/27 and 2027/ 28.
The Chairman Chairman So, top of page A -1? Right at the top.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, projected revenue over the next two years. So, your medium- term outlook, you might say.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Okay, remaining on this page, back to page B -122, Mr. Chairman.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I note that Bank Services Tax is going up $311,000. And I would like to understand what the driver is for that. I also see the Corporate Services Tax is going up 10 per cent. I think I know what the answer will be, but again, if the Junior Minister …
The Chairman Chairman So, those are the two line items immediately following Payroll Tax, 8018 and 8019?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, my apologies, 8018, Bank Services Tax, and 8019, Corporate Services Tax.
The Chairman Chairman I’m with you. I just wanted to make sure I am following. Yes.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And I also see the Insurance Services Tax’s budget is going up to $51,000, or 4 per cent. An interesting note here, of course, Mr. Chairman, is when there is inflation, especially insurance inflation, or inflation linked rises in pay, of course the Government gets better revenue, and it is …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Of course, if you buy insurance, you pay a 3.5 per cent tax on that. So, as your insurance rates go up you are also paying more tax to the government. I see, now going down that same table, 8029, Foreign Currency Purchase Tax, and the Government is forecasting a …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. But now we are looking at the detailed revenue. [Inaudible interjections ]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. These are questions I could have sent to the Premier early. I did certainly . . . I know some Ministers have been quite friendly and allowed . . . we have had some collaboration, and they have gotten back. And I did write to the Premier a week …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I appreciate that he was busy travelling. [Crosstalk and laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: You could have still sent me your questions. [Laughter]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Now, 8061—
The Chairman Chairman Members.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Mr. Chairman, 8061, Land Conveyance —
The Chairman Chairman Still on page B -122. [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, we are right on the Revenue Summary. Land Conveyance on Sales. Again, those are predicted down - 12 per cent. So, I would appreciate an explanation for that, Mr. Chairman. Now, we are going to turn to the Performance Measures on page B -123.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I am looking at 48080 . . . actually, that is page B -124, and the percentage targets for the various electronic filing. I just want to repeat my appreciation for this department and all departments that are taking initiatives on electronic submis-sions and stuff. This is more of an …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. You have approximately 40 minutes left in the debate.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto We still have two pages to get there.
The Chairman Chairman Two more heads, yes?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Mm-hmm. Okay. We are looking at Head 39 now, Mr. Chairman, and, again, I certainly was appreciative the Premier’s brief. It is really important, and the interna-tional situation around the world. I mean, we may be a small place, but we have to have this international level of competence here. …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Joaquin runs a tight ship.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Mr. Joaquin. We must remember Mr. Joaquin. And I am turning now to page B -126.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And I know that the brief was pretty comprehensive, so I am just trying to make sure that I do not ask a question here that was already answered. I have a general question. It was alluded to in the brief. I know that we still have exchange control on …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Top of page B -127. Bermuda House of Assembly Dr. Douglas DeCouto: Yes. That would be item 8035. And I would see 8041, Non- Resident Company Tax, which is also going down by $500,000. So, if can they comment on the sources of those decreases, Mr. Chairman, I would …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Item 5 referred to providing technical advice to Ministry of Finance and other government departments. Is there any specific advice that was given which they can provide an example of? I am also referring to item 11 on the same page. We heard quite a lot about the various tax …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -126?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Page B -126. I see that the salaries are plus 28 per cent. But the FTE is only 18 per cent. Again, this is an example of where I see the gap in those. It does not quite align with my understanding of the amount of the pay rises given …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto And now I am going to turn to Performance Measures, page B -128. I am looking at 49080, Compliance. And I am looking at the number of inspections. The original forecast for 2024/25 was 240 inspections. And they arrived at 200 inspections. And if I have got my math right, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you have 35 minutes left in the debate. And I think you have only one head outstand-ing that you have not asked questions on.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Well, if there were any of the answers available, I would love to hear them. I am turning now to the Debt and Loan Guarantees, Mr. Chairman. [Inaudible interjection]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I will take my seat; I still have more questions. [Inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, no. Don’t take your seat.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Okay. I think we discussed . . . we actually started going a little bit backwards, so we discussed the guarantees.
The Chairman Chairman We are at page B -132 now?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes. And I am actually going to flip over to the back of the [Budget] B ook. I am looking at page C -4, Capital Developments of the Bermuda Infrastructure Fund. It had $2.9 million up until the year end 2024. Can we get a description of what that capital …
The Chairman Chairman Page C -11, yes.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto If we could have a brief description of what that is for please. I think I had some other questions, but they were well covered in the brief.
The Chairman Chairman Corporate Income Tax, capital grant, 76921, page C -11.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Yes, that is correct, $750[,000] originally and then $1.75 million last year. Social Insurance, the debt management system, 76925, was $249,000 estimated, and then came in at zero. There were different things mentioned in the brief, and I probably have got them muddled, so if they could just specify exactly …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Grants?
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Grants. I think I did ask about the Corporate Income Tax Authority grant before and how that was going to . . . 6965, and the details about how that was going to operate with the loan.
The Chairman Chairman You did.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto I did start with my questions about the refinancing. I did start with my questions about the Sinking Fund. I did start with my questions about the BHB [Bermuda Hospitals Board]. So, at this time I think I will yield the floor if there is anyone else with questions, or …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. All right. Before we move to the Finance Minister, or Junior Finance Minister, is there anyone else who wishes to participate in the debate? There being none, Premier, do you want . . . or, Junior Finance [Minister]. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Finance Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I am going to try my best to cover the questions that have been asked by the Shadow Minister and maybe we can have time for follow up. It has been through $500 million, debt refinance, …
The Chairman Chairman Page B -108. Hon. E. David Burt: Page B -108. Thank you for that, Mr. Chairman. That is one additional position together with salary pay award increases. There was a question about coverage we have for cyber insurance, has anyone reviewed the IT estate to improve cyber policy. Our reviews …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto No. I am mindful of time, so he can continue.
The Chairman Chairman Duly noted. The floor is yours, Finance Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: All right, thank you. I will press on. In regard to change the payroll tax structure, moving the bands, et cetera, we are going to wait for the report from the Tax Reform Commission. Which industry is this …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, w e are in the last five minutes. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay, I am trying to . . . he asked a lot of questions.
The Chairman Chairman He did. He did. He did, indeed. Hon. E. David Burt: I am just trying to go—
The Chairman Chairman Inquiring minds. Hon. E. David Burt: Ah! I just want to go through . . . then there was a question in regard to the infrastructure or the capital grant. That capital grant was given last year for a start-up, and additional needs will be met through the borrowing facility …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Finance Minister and Premier. I see that the Honourable Member for constituency 25 is on his feet. I think, realistically, you are not going to get any more questions and answers in, but if you want to have a valiant try — Bermuda House of Assembly Dr. …
Mr. Chairman. Thank you. The Chairman Honourable Finance Minister and Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I answered the question. I will repeat it again so that the Honourable Member can hopefully get it this time. The people do not have to register until 10 days before tax filing. That will be in August. At that point …
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Hon. E. David Burt: —there has been significant —
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Point of order, Mr. Chairman, point of order.
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Dr. Douglas DeCouto The Honourable Premier is imputing improper motive, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman All right. Well, I thank you both. To the Honourable Finance Minister and the Honourable Shadow Minister. And, indeed, the Junior Minister as well, MP Furbert. That concludes our debate on the Ministry of Finance. Honourable Finance Minister, if you would like to move your heads , please. Hon. E. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Honourable Member it has been moved that Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39 and 58 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? There being none, Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39 and 58 are approved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Finance, Heads 10, …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Finance Minister, would you like us to rise and report progress? Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? There being none, we shall rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply rose and reported …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Good evening, Members . It has been reported that the Committee [of Supply] rose and reported progress and sought leave to sit again. Were there any objections to that? 634 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly There being none, we shall move on with the Orders …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been moved that the Explosive Substances Amendment Act 2025 be now read for the second time. Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES AMENDMENT ACT 2025 Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise today to present for the consideration …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Good idea. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: This adjustment preserves the existing oversight mechanisms. Permits will still be issued only after the Commissioner of Police consults with the Chief Fire Officer and coordinates with the relevant agencies, such as Air Traffic Control, Marine and Ports, and the E nvironment and Natural …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Are there any other M embers who wish to speak to the Bill entitled Explosive Substances Amendment Act 2025? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and Members of this Honourable House and the listening public. Myself and Members of the Opposition wholeheartedly support this legislation. We think it is a good piece of piece of law, and it can actually pave the way for some employment, future employment, for Bermudians …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to the Bill? I recognise the Member from constituency 22. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just have one question arising from the Bill and I actually took the liberty of raising it with the Honourable Minister in advance. The question is really this: The fee is going up for the permit. And, obviously, we know about this new fireworks business …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, do you want that question answered in Committee? Yes?
Mr. Scott Pearman I am entirely in the hands of the Minister as he prefers.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to this Bill? I recognise the Member from constituency 12. Member, you had the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, and thank you, and good evening to colleagues and listening Bermuda. Just one basic comment. Just the other day I …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to the Bill? I recognise the Member from constituency 15. Member, you have the floor. Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would just like to take a small moment to speak in support of this …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to this Bill? Recognising no others, Minister, you may reply. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like to thank all of the Members who have participated, in particular the Member from constituency 15 …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been moved that the Bill entitled Explosive Substances Amendment Act 2025 be committed. I call on the Member from constituency 22 to take the Chair. [Pause]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I do not — House in Committee at 8: 17 pm [Mr. Scott Pearman, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES AMENDMENT ACT 2025
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for consideration of a Bill entitled Explosive Substances Amendment Act 2025. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move …
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the Minister move all four clauses at once. Any objections? No objections, please do. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Clause 1 provides the citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends the principal Act by repealing section 10(1) and replacing it with provision to allow for a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Is there any Member who wishes to speak to the Bill in Committee? There being none, Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I now move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. If you would m ove the clauses first. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael A. Weeks: I would like to move that clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 4 of the Bill be approved. Is there any objection? There is no objection. Clauses 1 through 4 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Would you like to move the preamble? Hon. Michael A. Weeks: I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman it has been moved that the preamble be approved. Is there any objection? There is no objection. The preamble has been approved. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Is there any objection? There is no objection. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Explosive Substances Amendment Act 2025 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been reported that the Bill be accepted as printed and that there were no objections. There being none, that takes us on to the next Bill. I call on the Minister for Tourism and Transport, Culture and Sport. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been moved that the [draft Order entitled] the Tourism Investment (Hillcrest Boutique Hotel) Order 2025 be considered. Any objections? There being none, Minister. DRAFT ORDER TOURISM INVESTMENT (HILLCREST BOUTIQUE HOTEL) ORDER 2025 Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The purpose in bringing this Tourism Investment (Hillcrest …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Do any other Members wish to speak on this Order? I recognise the Member from constituency 30. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Thank you so much. Right off the top, obviously, I want to extend our support from the Members of the Opposition for this historic property. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson I do not support the East End for Cup Match, Madam Deputy Speaker, but I do support economic activity and tourism investment for them, and I hope to see this stimulate more activity in the East End of the Island. We also want to take time to note the history …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have to speak to the Order. Mr. Dwayne Robinson: But just to see how we can ensure that that 70 per cent is able to be covered by every hotel that is getting that particular stipulation because we have passed a few in this Honourable Chamber, and every single …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak to the Order? I recognise the Member for constituency 2. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am very happy for the Minister to present this Order today. I am in 100 per cent support of the Hillcrest Boutique Hotel coming onstream. It is a property that I am very familiar with from Mrs. Trew Robinson, who I happen to know. And …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —because when you look from The Loren and you work your way past Tucker’s Point, which is Rosewood, when you go to Mid Ocean Club (you have got two golf courses there), when you go around the corner you pass Tom Moore’s Tavern (not so dissimilar to the Tom Moore …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Right? You would go a little bit further if you ventured over to St. David’s. You would get lost in another world. But you go across that wonderful bridge that soon will see pavement — beautiful pavement from the Minister of Public Works and [Environment]. He has promised that before …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —that in St. George’s now— [Crosstalk]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —in St. George’s now you have three hotels —three hotels on St. George’s island. Three hotels in greater St. George’s. That is six hotels, three golf courses because— [Crosstalk and laughter ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —they renovated—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And no Cup.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —because they renovated St. George’s golf club with the building of St. Regis hotel. And I —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Where’s your Cup, Kim?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —I am getting to that. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I am here to say you have got the flagships of forts in Fort St. Catherine. And you have the greatest example of volunteerism in this country taking place with the restoration of the different forts, like in St. George’s —Fort Albert , Fort Victoria and the like. And …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you, OBA. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Bermuda! Because we could have done like the OBA did when a contract was given to develop the waterfront. That same Minister that said, “ Thank you, OBA ,” was the first person to come and pass a Bill to do retroactive. We did not do that on …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Now let me just say this. Because so much good is happening in the east, it is only fitting that my new skipper who we have leading St. George’s will bring the Cup, so all those visitors will come in greater numbers this July to see us lift this Cup. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —on a serious note, you know, persons tease me because I talk about golf.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, you do not. Another Hon. Member: No, no. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —and I make no apologies for talking about golf, as I do sailing, because I come from a sailing family as well as golf. And I come from a fishing family. And I come from a farming family—all parts of making Bermuda what it is. And it ties into that …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And let me tell you this. When those owners of the superyachts that have come to Bermuda in greater numbers — [Inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We knew it was coming. We knew it was coming.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —when those owners of superyachts decide that they are going to come and spend a couple of days, there is a good possibility that they might take up all of the rooms of that one proper-ty because they can walk right down. And if they put their superyacht in the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Except the Cup. [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Except the Cup. And just like when we did . . . And just like . . . And . . . [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But I just want to say how proud I am to be here today to support the Minister in this historic boutique hotel which adds to . . . In that St. George’s island . . . again we have three hotel properties. The St. George’s Club Hotel, the St. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker But even though I did not have the clock on, I was watching was watching the clock. I do want you to know that. [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member, for your contribution. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 9. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Vance Campbell Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, I was the Minister when the current owners first came to the table, and they only had a plan. But they clearly expressed that they were looking to act on this plan immediately. So, we were more than pleased to support it …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to the Order? I recognise the Member from constituency 12. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Another East Ender.
The Chairman Chairman Member, you have the floor. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Another blue and blue. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I am going to lead off from the Honourable Member from constituency 2 in saying that it is great to see investment into the hospitality industry, as the Shadow Minster …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other persons who wish to speak to the order? I recognise the Premier from constituency 18. Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Madam Deputy Speaker, I am mindful that you are in the Chair, so I will do my best to not get thrown out. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You definitely need to be mindful. [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: And I do not know how we got from Hillcrest to all you perennial losers lamenting the fact that you might lose again this year. However . . . Sorry. [Laughter and i naudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Thank you, Member. Hon. E. David Burt: Madam Deputy Speaker, there is no misleading! He said, Yeah, you know, I was not on board with this 15 years ; but now, you know, it might be okay . [Crosstalk and laughter ] Hon. E. David Burt: But it is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Member wish to speak to the Order? No other Members? Minister. Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like to just thank the entire House for their comments and support on this Tourism Investment Order for the Hillcrest Boutique Hotel. And …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would you like to . . . ? Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam Deputy Speaker, I would move that the said Draft Order be approved and that a suitable message be sent to Her [sic] Excellency the Governor.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker His Excellency. Hon. Owen Darrell: His Excellency the Governor.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, Minister, it has been moved that the Draft Order be approved. Are there any objections? No objections, so a message will be sent to the Governor of its approval. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Tourism Investment (Hillcrest Boutique Hotel) Order 2025 was approved.]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Minister, I think you have a second Order to do. Hon. Owen Darrell: Absolutely —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have the floor. Hon. Owen Darrell: —Madam Deputy Speaker. Thank you very much. And this one is along the same line and length, since we are talking a lot of cricket this even-ing. And this one—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It’s not in St. George’s. Hon. Owen Darrell: And this one is the Tourism Investment (Grotto Bay Resort and Spa) Order 2025. Madam Deputy Speaker, I move that consideration be given to the Draft Order entitled the Tour-ism Investment (Grotto Bay Resort and Spa) Order 2025 proposed to be made …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly It has been moved that the Tourism Investment (Grotto Bay Resort and Spa) Order 2025 be considered. Are there any objections to that? There being none, Minister, continue. DRAFT ORDER TOURISM INVESTMENT (GROTTO BAY RESORT AND SPA) ORDER 2025 Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would any other Member wish to speak on the Order? I recognise the Member from constituency 30. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson Thank you, [Madam] Deputy Speaker. I appreciate it, and I just also want to say we also welcome and support this — [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson We welcome and support this, and you know — [Inaudible interjections ] 646 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Dwayne Robinson: —it is something that I think unifies both sides of the Houses —that we want to see the tourism industry grow. We want to …
Mr. Dwayne Robinson So, I will say, as the Minister well knows, I do not mind bowling pace, but sometimes you have to bowl a little spin. Right? And this is why Somerset keeps the Cup. Right?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Laughter ]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson So, just letting you know. So— [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Dwayne Robinson [Madam] Deputy Speaker, I will state . . . I will leave that there because I know where you . . . I know.
Mr. Dwayne Robinson With your indulgence. We had a robust debate on [an] additional Order before this that is pretty much identical in the concessions. We have had the debate on that, so I will not rehash it. [I] just [want] to say that we support that. Well done to the owners, and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to this Order? I recognise the Member from constituency 2. Member, you have the floor. [Inaudible interjection] Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Thank you. Just as I adjust my St. George’s blue- and-blue colours here on the microphone, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Randolph Dowling.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Randolph Dowling was the director there. His son is “Dr. D”. Right?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Henry, Henry.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan He carried forth the family interest. I can recall in my early days going to St. George’s when I came back to Bermuda working in Tucker’s Town that his nickname (because St. Georgians have a lot of nicknames across Bermuda) . . . Mr. Bourne, Puzzy Bourne was very much …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, speak to the Chair, please.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I was just seeking some guidance. Sorry, Madam [Deputy Speaker]. I should have asked you, because I am sure you would have known the answer. But the Honourable Member worked there. It was a test that you had to take to get a job in the hospitality industry. And there …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmm. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And then you can turn around and look the other way and look across at Dockyard. I am here to tell you that the investment that was put into Grotto Bay has been incremental. You cannot do it all at once. But you see the growth. And the beautiful thing, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan We have got the wonderful restaurants. And you know, we can play Cup 648 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Match against St. David’s because a lot of them play for Somerset anyway. But in all seriousness, this is outstanding. It is really outstanding, and I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Now you are talking.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan We have heard people come here in this budget say, you know, Bermuda companies . What are you doing for Bermuda companies? Tonight, these Orders are two Bermuda companies that have been around. I know that a lot of my friends, Bermudians, have got some capital. You know, we can …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Not tonight. But you know they exist. And some of them, like a Lantana, like a Sonesta— [General uproar]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —like an Elbow Beach, are still there for us to realise even greater invest-ment. And whilst I finish on this particular topic, let me say this. For those persons who are out there saying that there is nothing happening when we are talking about hotel concessions, I was here when …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Tie it back to Grotto Bay, Member.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I am. We are talking about Grotto Bay during the budget. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And so, the investment that is taking place here today some 26 years later (right?) ties into the fact that this PLP Government — Some Hon. Member s: Yes! Yes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —is still making it happen. [Desk thumping]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan So, I am here to support the Order that has been brought by the Honourable Member from up there in constituency 15 here for the Grotto Bay hotel in the national interest. In the national interest. It is not just for those persons in his constituency who may work there. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —not when you can see that Bermuda- owned properties are invested, not when you can see that there are Bermudians who care enough to clear out the forts, not when you can see that this Government can see to it that the Southampton Princess is being renovated, not when you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yeah! [Desk thumping]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Bermuda House of Assembly Are there any other Members who wish to speak to the Order? I recognise the Member from constituency 9. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Vance Campbell Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. On this side of the aisle when the Government does a good job— [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Vance Campbell That is right. We share the responsibility on this side.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
Mr. Vance Campbell When the Government does a good job, we are not afraid to compliment them. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. Vance Campbell This is a Bermudian- owned property as has been mentioned. It is a personal favourite of mine. I spent quite a few vacation times down there celebrating my kids’ birthdays. The last of those was last July when we celebrated my daughter’s quinceañera, which is a big deal on her …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to this Order? I recognise the Premier from constituency 18. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. Of course, as the Minister said, this here required concurrence from the Ministry of Finance. The Ministry …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Premier. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? There being none, I recognise the Minister. 650 16 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. And I would like to say t hank you to all who …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Twelve. Hon. Owen Darrell: Oh, [constituency] 12. Sorry. [Constituency] 12 has been down there yet on a Monday night, but it is definitely the place. But with that said, [I am] happy to see that this and these Tourism Investment Orders are doing what they were intended to do. And …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Owen Darrell: I move that the said draft Order be approved and that a suitable message be sent to His Excellency the Governor.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been moved that the draft Order be approved, and a message be sent to the Governor. Are there any objections to that? There being none, so approved. [Motion carried: The Tourism Investment (Grotto Bay Resort and Spa) Order 2025 was approved.]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I believe that those are all of the Orders that we are doing for today, so I do think that we have to have the third reading of some of the Bills that we did today, or the one Bill we did. Minister for National Security. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any objections? There being none, so moved. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES AMENDMENT ACT 2025 Hon. Michael A. Weeks: I move that the Bill be now read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections? No. It is indeed passed. [Motion carried: The Explosive Substances Amendment Act 2025 was read a third time and passed.] Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: I believe that that covers all matters. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been moved that we adjourn until Monday, May 19 at 10:00 am. Are there any Members who wish to speak to the motion [to adjourn]? I recognise the Member from constituency 11, I believe it is. Member, you have the floor. POPULATION SIZE
Mr. Christopher Famous Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. With your permission, Madam Deputy Speaker, I would like to read something from The Royal Gazette.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh-oh!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Perm ission granted.
Mr. Christopher Famous And I quote, Madam Deputy Speaker. “Here is the short version —you can’t grow the economy with a shrinking population; you can’t reduce the cost of living with a shrinking population; and you can’t properly fund healthcare and pensions with a shrinking, [ageing] population.” Honoura-ble Doug DeCouto. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Christopher Famous All right. Madam Deputy Speaker, Dr. DeCouto seems to be echoing a lot what others in his party and other entities are saying repeatedly, We have to increase the population. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Christopher Famous Can I finish?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Speak to the Chair, please.
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, please. That is not the argument right now, Madam Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, the Bermuda Chamber of Commerce recently had their AGM where the talk about population was brought up. Recently this week the Bermuda Economic Development Cor-poration in collaboration with the Urban Development Authority held the first …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Does anyone else wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 2. Member, you have the floor. TOURISM OPPORTUNITIES FOR BERMUDA
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Madam [Deputy] Speaker. Ever so briefly, Madam Deputy Speaker, I appreciate what my colleague just had to say with regards to population, but there is a way that we can create increased population in Bermuda. And I am going to share it. Between October 15 and May 15 …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I hear the Honourable Member talking about overruns, but I do not hear the Honourable Member saying thank you for having the cruise piers in Dockyard, for having two cruise ships in there because persons would want to be proud of saying when I am talking about being for Bermuda. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan We all love Bermuda, but sometimes you have to learn how to give Jack his jacket. And I know the Jack I refer to. I know the Jack, the Jack whose shoulders that you stand on, Jack Tucker. That party over there stands on the shoulders of Jack Tucker. I …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And it has to learn. I am going to invite it to do what I did. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No. I am going to tell you. When I became a UBP Senator for the first time having been up in this House for over 25 years pining about being here, when I was an Opposition Senator for nine years, the first thing I did was study the only Opposition …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No. I . . . You know, sometimes disingenuous people are blatantly obvious. [Crosstalk ]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Members, I cannot hear the person who has the floor. Thank you. Turn it down.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I will . . . I just want to say in the spirit of that. I want to say thank you to the Op-position tonight for embracing the hotel investment [Order] that came forward. I want to say thank you, but in the spirit of — [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But in the — [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Honourable—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Honourable Member , I cannot hear the Member on his feet speaking, so . . .
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I think — [Inaudible interjection]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Let’s keep the undertones to a minimum, the lowest decibels possible.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I am here to say that it is easy to see the disingenuous actions — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —because, you know . . . No, I was not able to make a contribution earlier in the debate. I do not play at that that sometimes your part is a little bit dry so that you can make a contribution at the right time. But I am here, and …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I am here to share with you, Madam Deputy Speaker , that you are seeing a Bermuda where people overseas are looking at Ber-muda with a lot more optimism than we are prepared in amongst ourselves because we are too busy being partisan. All right? If we want to see …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, I live in hope that maybe, that it may happen because the same Bermu-da that we all profess to love is going to take some love for Bermuda to be able to put aside the partisanism to be able to talk in your circles that can cause Bermuda to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Practice what you preach.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Practice what you preach? I practice what I preach every single day. I will use my last dollar as I have done to help this country. If anybody wants to go and audit my accounts, I have invested in this country with money I do not have and I cannot …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nonsense. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan It is not nonsense. Let your actions —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, [Madam Deputy] Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER Bermuda House of Assembly [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am not sure if the Honourable Member really intends to mislead the House, and I do not know exactly who he is talking about. But he certainly is not talking about anyone in this Honourable House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Thank you, Member. Member, you have two and a half minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you very much. I did not call any names, but I see a lot of people getting exercised. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I mean, I did not . . . I did not see any Honourable Member Jache [Adams] getting exercised. I heard Members calling a point of or-der. I did not call any names, you know. But you know, if the shoe fits, you can wear it. [Inaudible interjections and laughter …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I am not saying be nice. I am not saying be nice. I am not saying be nice. This is the amount of time I got when I was doing a Budget Reply in 2007. I got two minutes, so I understand two minutes very well. Dr. Brown, I feel …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor. DOING MORE FOR BERMUDIANS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY
Mr. Robert King Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I rise for no other reason but to give the listening public some variety based on what is being said here this evening. For no other reason than that. I thought we were going to go home early. But that is not going to happen, …
Mr. Robert King No, no, no. So, we are asked to consider that the glass is half empty or mostly full or that we have a glass in fact. But the point is that yes, we are very happy about the hotels that . . . well, Southampton Princess is going to be …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Drive up the hill.
Mr. Robert King Yes, if you can get there, right? [Laughter]
Mr. Robert King I don't see any construction vehicles on either side, but it is going to happen. I mean, the paperwork's being signed, and we are happy about that. Grotto Bay and Hillcrest, absolutely, we are happy about those things. And on the other side of things, it is a fact that …
Mr. Robert King Not all of it bad. But the point is when you are looking at . . . from the part that I am especially concerned about is the crime and the deaths of young Black Bermudian males. And what is being done to reduce that in a meaningful way. We …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I know that the Honourable Member has a challenge listening, but I know that we had an entire debate presented by the Minister for the Cabinet Office. Questions from that side talked about professional services and the professional services …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Member, you may continue.
Mr. Robert King Thank you for that. So, the point is kids need a solid education, and we are spending a lot of money on recommenda-tions made by consultants and these signature schools —eventually they will be built. Eventually the people will be moving into them. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order, Minister? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The man is absolutely misleading!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker “Member,” Member. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The Member is absolutely misleading. We opened two signature schools at the Berkeley Institute and CedarBridge Academy and we will be opening a third one at Sandys Secondary School. He cannot say . . . he cannot stand there and say eventually signature …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, I think you have heard the Minister say that signature schools have actually been opened.
Mr. Robert King Multiple.
Mr. Robert King So the educational system is humming along nicely, and the kids are all right. That is not the case. But I will continue. So, there are some steps being made in the right direction. Absolutely. There is much work to be done. When we are talking about housing, how do …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order. Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order, Member. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous There is no discrimination. If you’ve got the money, you can rent it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Robert King There is no discrimination. And yet, when we look at the history of that property . . . statements were made that one would consider would be Bermuda House of Assembly prejudicial, based on race, and that certain folks should not be on South Shore. Essentially what has happened is …
Mr. Robert King No, it is a fact. [The Premier rose]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Is this a point of order, Premier?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What is wrong with you?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Jesus.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have the floor. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I will offer the Honourable Member a chance to withdraw, because, by implication, he is trying to say that Black Bermudians cannot afford these things, which is not correct. And he needs to withdraw it. I know he is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Honourable Member. Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is crazy—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, Member, I would ask that you withdraw that comment, please. Member, I need you to withdraw that comment.
Mr. Robert King Fair enough. I withdraw that comment.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Robert King What I will say, though, is that it was meant to be affordable housing, and then it changed to a hotel and now it is a place that is — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King —luxury apartments.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Talk to the Chair, please.
Mr. Robert King Luxury apartments, which when we were hearing about the extortionist rents that were being charged, that is exactly what is happening there on the South Shore. There — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I think the Honourable Member should look up the definition of extortion—and stop referring to market -based rates and the definitions and reasons why those things were stated, unless the Honourable Member would like us to underwrite further monies …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Please use consideration in how you phrase some of your comments. Thank you.
Mr. Robert King Oh. Absolutely. No problem at all. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Robert King Indeed, right? And that is why we are here today. So the point is: many good things are being done, especially with the hotels that are coming online with the refurbishments and stuff, absolutely. And we also need to understand that in terms of the social problems as it relates …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to the motion [to adjourn]? No other Members? I recognise the Premier who wishes to speak. Premier. Hon . E. David Burt: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have no comments for this evening. I think we can …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh. Thank you. The House is now adjourned. [Gavel] [At 10:11 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am Monday, 19 May 2025.]
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