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December 1, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Dec 1, 2017
Session 2017/2018
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625 speeches from 39 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Members, we received t he Minut es from the sitting of the 24th of November . Are there any objections or amendments to those Minutes ? No objections ; no amendments. The Minutes have been conf irmed . [Minutes of 24 November 2017 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I have one set of announcements this morning, and that is the absence of Members. We have six Members absent today: The Honourable Premier and Deputy Premier are both unavailable t oday; the Minister Jamahl Simmons is also unavailable today; and Member , Leah Scott, Member Michael Weeks, and …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker We have six papers indicated today. And the first is from the Minister of Health. Minister Wilson, you have the floor. FINANCIAL S TATEMENTS FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, THE FUTURECARE FUND AND THE MUTUAL RE -INSURANCE FUND FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING 31ST MARCH 2015 Hon. Kim N. Wilson …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Mr. Speaker, I have t he honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Financial Statements for the Health Insurance Fund, the FutureCare Fund, and the Mutual Re- Insurance Fund (MRF) for the fi scal year …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Minister, I believe you have a further paper. Would you like to do that one at this time? Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Yes, thank you. PHARMACY AND POISONS (THIRD AND FOURTH SCHEDULE AMENDMENT) ORDER 2017 Hon. Kim N. Wilson : I have the honour to attach …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. You have a further . . . yes, your next one. MISU SE OF DRUGS AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2017 Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Thank you. I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Misuse of Drugs Amendment …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. We have further communications from — Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden : Mr. Speaker, just for clar ification. I know you said the other things would be circulated, but those statements and the Misuse of Drugs, all of that, w e have not had that circulated to us. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Those papers will be circulated as we proceed. The Clerk : Those statutory instruments will be sent out electronically because they are by a negative resolution procedure.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. Further communications. We have Minister of Education. PLAN 2022: BERMUDA’S STRATEGIC PLAN FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly a report entitled “Plan 2022: Bermuda’s Strategic Plan for Public School E ducation,” published by the Ministry of Education and Workforc e Development.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. And the final communication this morning is from Minister Burch. WEST END DEVELOPMENT ANNUAL REPORTS (2014 AND 2015)
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, good morning. I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly a report entitled Annual Reports of the West End D evelopment for 2014 and 2015.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. And just for the knowledge of the House and the public, Minister Burch i s actually Acting Premier today in the absence of the Premier and the Deputy Premier. So, Minister Burch, we will be referring to you as Acting Premier today. That was the last communication. …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTE RS AND/OR JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we actually have five statements indicated on the Order Paper today. And we are going to start with the Acting Premier, with his statement this morning.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. TABLING OF WEST END DEVELOPMENT ANNUAL REPORTS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch In accordance with section 25 [the] Annual Report to the Legislature of the West End Development Corporation Act 1982, the Minister shall lay before each House of the Legislature a copy of every statement of accounts and every r eport received by him under sections 22 [of the] A ccounts …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. They will be distributed. There has been . . . this matter i s being resolved. They will be distributed as we proceed this morning. They are here. The next Minister we are going to call on for statements would be Minister Brown. Minister Brown, you have the floor. …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, I rise to inform this Honourable House about a recent notification to the Department of Immigration regarding persons who do not possess Bermudian status but are in possession of a British Overseas Territories Citizen (BOTC) pas sport. Mr. Speaker, we recently received a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next M inisterial Statement that we have this morning will be by the Minister of Health. Minister Wilson, you have the floor. WORLD AIDS DAY AND INTERNATIONAL DAY FOR DISABLED PERSONS Hon. Kim N. Wilson : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I rise to highlight …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Minister that has a statement this morning is t he Minister of Education. Minister Rabain, you have the floor. PLAN 2022: BERMUDA’S STRATEGIC PLAN FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning both …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The final statement for this morning is that from the Minister of National Security. Minister Caines, you have the floor. DISASTER AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS BELCO MAJOR E NVIRONMENTAL EMERGENCY CONTINGENCY PLAN TABLETOP EXERCISE HELD ON 29 NOVEMBER 2017 Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mini ster. That brings us to the end of the Ministerial Statements. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker I remind Members that we have 60 minutes for this, and of the statements that were read out this morning, we have questions from five Members to Ministers . The first question will be to Minister Brown. Minister Brown, you have a question from the Honourable Member from constituency 22. …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you. Mr. Speaker, my question for the Honourable Member relates to page 3 of his statement in which he says, “There ar e a number of persons who qualify for and do possess BOTC (Bermuda) passports, but they are not eligible for …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. We do not have the numbers for that. We do know that persons who were born in Bermuda before 1983, all of whom lived here for 10 years and over, would all qualify for BO TC passports. We do not have enough …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Is there a supplementary for that? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you. In the same vein, would the Honourable Member be able to say how many Bermuda passport holders who are eligible for the stamp “Holder is r egistered as a Bermudian” . . . roughly how many of them does the department think do not have that stamp in …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, I will undertake to get the information for the Honourable Member . All Bermudians are entitled to get it. I am not quite sure if Immigration is keeping track of those passports which have actually received the stamp. So I will have to get …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or new question?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Would the Honourable Member feel that it would make sense when the d epartment issues a Bermuda passport to a Bermudian that that stamp be put in as a matter of course, rather than having to have it requested? I am hoping that the department does that these days, as …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. Walton Brown: Yes. As the Honourable Member would now know, the issue of passports is a problematic one for us because they are now printed in the UK. We have to work, unfortunately, with the UK Passport Office to get any additional information i ncluded in those passports. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. New question?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons New question, second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes . . . oh, supplementary Okay. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23, the Honourable Member, Gordon-Pamplin. You have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you , Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just in light of the Minister’s r ecent response to the question, is there any progress with respect to the passport printing in the UK, to which the Honourable Minister alluded, and the rec-onciliation of the GBD versus BMU designation?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure I will use the word “pr ogress,” but there has been movement. We now have a quote Bermuda House of Assembly for what it will cost to actually provide for us to do that [printing] …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any further supplementaries? New questions from the Honourable Member from constituency 22? QUESTION 2: ADVISORY REGARDING TRAVEL TO THE UNITED STATES BY BOTCs WHO ARE NOT BERMUDIAN
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, a new question. With regard to those BOTC passport holders who are not eligible for the stamp “Holder is registered as a Bermudian” would it be fair to say that in addition to their BOTC passport they would likely have a second passport? Many of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, that is an assum ption without an abundance of fact to support it. It is a case that these individuals would all have citizenship in anot her country, not necessarily Commonwealth citizenship. They could be from any number of other countries …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. In relation to the BOTC passports, where a holder is not registered as a Bermudian, further to my honourable colleague’s question, has there been any distinction between a BOTC passport that has a BMU designation on it, in other words, it was issued by …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Walton Brown: No, there is no distinction from a US Customs/Immigration standpoint. The issues have less to do with the demarcation GBR versus BMU; it has more to do with clearly identifying the cit izenship of the person carrying the passport , and hol ding …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or . . .
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons In relation to BOTC Bermudian registered as a Bermudian passport, are there any further issues now that have been reported to the Minister in terms of those having difficulty get-ting into the United States , either in Bermuda going through U S Immigration here, or in other gateway ci ties …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, there is no real issue here with the GBR demarcation on the pas sports because US Customs and Border Protection people are all fully informed of the issue. It remains an issue at times in any number of other countries where …
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Opposition Leader. Madam, you have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Minister, you mentioned something there which I just wanted to raise because I think as we start to deal with issues coming up, you mentioned getting this information down to the desk, the person …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, there is an obv ious solution, but we are not at a point where we want to contemplate that solution today. The question that the . . . the issue is that Bermuda status is not citizenship. And so most countries …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any supplementaries? No supplementaries. No further questions? The next Minister who has questions regar ding their statement is the Minister of Health, regarding your statement on World AIDS Day, and that is from the Member from constituency 21, Member Commi ssiong. QUESTION 1: WORLD AIDS DAY AND …
Mr. Rolfe Comm issiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister, as you know and you have heard me say in this House during the period from the late 1970s to about 1995, we had about 180 individuals, or so, who contracted HIV/AIDS and who achieved fatal ity as a consequence of [ heroin] use, by …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister, do you want to respond to that? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Health Department does keep various statistics as it relates to factors that they are seeing with respect to persons who are coming within the community health or the doctors’ offices …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any further . . . is it a supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. Continue, Opposition Leader. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Je anne J. Atherden: Just for clarity because I think on page 3, Minister, you indicated that fewer than 10 new HIV infections have been reported since 2011 with all of them [were related] to sexual contact. So, does that mean that the trend …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, as statistics are showing, they have d ecreased drastically with respect to new transmissions of HIV via drug use, shared needles. However, we are seeing that there are also reductions with respect to AIDS generally, contraction of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any other questions? No other question? We move on. The next statement that Members have indicated they have questions for, is for the Minister of Education in reference to his statement on the Plan 2022. The first Member who has questions is the Member from constituency 22. …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On page 4 of the Minister’s Statement, he indicates that “the Department of Education will be working on delivery plans during the month of D ecember so that the first rollout of the Strate gic Plan can start in January 2018.” Mr. Speaker, given the fact …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Strategic Plan is driven by Board of Education in concert with other senior members. We have been operating as if we had to operate without the Commissioner in place and we will be pushing forward with …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or further question? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gi bbons Mr. Speaker, as the Honourable Member will know, the Board of Educ ation does not have operational responsibility. The i m-plementation of the Plan is one that is required to be done by the Department. Could the Honourable Member please explain who in the Department will be lea ding this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The entire Department will be leading the exercise.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Could the Honourable Member give us an update on the replacement or resolution of the issues surrounding the former Commi ssioner? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I do not know that this was part of the Statement that was given this morning. So it may be outside of the realm of what was read out this morning as part of his S tatement. So, if you can —
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Perhaps I can put it another way.
The Speaker The Speaker You can attempt to.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Okay, thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the former Commissioner would have been intricately involved with development of the S trategic Plan, perhaps the Honourable Member can give us an indication of how his replacement is coming along, because it is the responsibility of the Board of Educ ation to, in …
The Speaker The Speaker You stretched it but it did not make it in. Do you have a new question? [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, thank you. Minister of Education, you still have another Member who wishes to ask a question, and that is the Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member, Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. 734 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 1: PLAN 2022: BERM UDA’S …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the absence of having received a copy of the plan, and not being able to refer thereto—
The Speaker The Speaker They were distributed.
Mrs. Patricia J. Go rdon -Pamplin Okay. Sorry, I did not have it. But the question that I have is, and it may be included therein, but if the Minister could just perhaps allude to, on page 3 of his S tatement when he spoke to the issue under number 3, of “Enhancing the quality of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Without going into many specifics on the o perational side of it, yes, the P lan does speak to how teachers, how educators and administrators will have to keep their skills abreast on a regular basis. So …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin No, I h ave a new question.
The Speaker The Speaker New question? Go ahead. Continue on, Member. QUESTION 2: PLAN 2022: BERMUDA’S STRAT EGIC PLAN FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you. On page 4 at the top, is where the Minister i ndicates that they will bring forward fairer budgets so the children get the education that they need and d eserve. Within the private sector the actual cost per child for education is actually less than that of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I think I must preface the answer to the question by making sure that the Honourable Member who asked the question understands completely the difference between public school and private school, in that the comparison that she is asking …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin The concern is the output and the ultimate s uccess of the students. And my question was really relating to when bringing forth fairer budget s that we are looking to ensure that the output and the success of our students, in respect of the extra services required in order …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin —I have not fi nished the question— a key consideration wit hin the 2022 plan.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I am kind of confused here, Mr. Speaker, because if we are going to ask if we are intent on making sure that our children are succee ding, you know, why would we ask t hat question when that is the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary fr om the Opposition Leader? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I have a supplementary,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: On page 4 the Minister indicates, “We will bring forward fairer budgets so the children get the education t hat they need and deserve.” I just wondered how does the Minister quantify or describe a “fairer budget”? What . . . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jeanne …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I would just like clarity as to a “fairer budget” because, to me, a budget . . . if I am looking at a budget, I am presuming that it has some identification of what should be in there, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The outburst reminded me of something. An example of a fairer budget, Mr. Speaker, is not taking the IT budget that the Ministry has had that has been decreased from over a million dollars in 2012 to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —in which it excluded the fact that this now prevents us fr om doing the things that we wanted to do, like putting Wi -Fi in schools, replacing computer labs, and the like. So when we talk about “fairer budgets” we talk about looking …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary, from the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member Gordon - Pamplin, you have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Yes, I have a supplementary based on the Minister’s response. He spoke to the interpolation by the Honourable Member who sits on his side, the Honourable Minister, and the question that I have is that in that very disingenuous interpolation we had, the Honourable Member indicated that fairer budget s …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin —he is being completely disingenuous.
The Speaker The Speaker Address your question to the Minister that is appropriate to the topic that was being r esponded to. Do not take a sidetrack because it is not going to be allowed. If you have a question, it is going to go directly to the Minister’s response, speak to the Minister …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is just that when the Minister responded he mentioned the interpolation, so that is the reason why I asked the quest ion.
The Speaker The Speaker Does anyone else have a question for the Minister of Education? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 22. This is a supplementary?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No, actually, Mr. Speaker, it is a second question. I had asked my first question and two supplementaries.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you did ask one before. Yes, yes. Continue on.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you. Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. You asked one question before. Yes. QUESTION 2: PLAN 2022: BERMUDA’S STRAT EGIC PLAN FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION 736 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the volume of statements that Government …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. R abain: Mr. Speaker, yes, in the Strategic Plan, when we refer to number four, “I mproving Infrastructure and Instructional Resources,” it is covered under that area. That will include increasing the IT support within the schools.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mi nister. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not had a chance to read this Strategic Plan; I assuming the Minister has. Per-haps he could do a little better than that and give us a little bit more of a fulsome response in terms of — [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! Continue on.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons — whether the Strategic Plan would include issues of, for example, teaching coding and at what level? How will this be addressed in the public schools because the private schools are already well on top of this?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member would well know, this is the Strategic Plan. And I did talk about the implementation phase. The implementation phase is now taking the Strategic Plan and creating the programmes and such that will be put …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Second supplementary, or new question?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Second supplementary. The Speaker: Go ahead.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. So, Mr. Speaker, if I may ask the Minister, is there going to be a curriculum developed for this or will the existing curriculum su ffice?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, as the Strat egic Plan does talk about the curriculum, the Cam-bridge will be retained but there will be additional things put in place to allow for students to have a wi der . . . a lot more …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Which will include coding.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Supplementary. We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member Pat Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just wonder if the Minister can share whether it is the intent to continue the liaison between our local students and their ability to, as the previous Government, previous, previous PLP Gov-ernment, had initiated and supported the liaison with New England Institute of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, the connection with the New England Institute of Technology is with the Department of Workforce Development, not the Department of Education.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Supplementary
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. Continue, Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I am concerned about the educational component which our students have the capacity to study with . . . to have a liaison for students to have better outcomes. Irrespective of who houses the programme, I am looking for student Bermuda House of Assembly excellence. So I said it a …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin —what it is that I am trying to get at.
The Speaker The Speaker Let’s, let’s keep it above board, Members. Keep it above board.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I am saying —
The Speaker The Speaker Keep it above board. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pam plin Mr. Speaker, I speak —
The Speaker The Speaker All right, Members! Members! We are not going to have this today. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I have no problem showing the door to any Member who does not understand how this House is going to be run. That is for all Members. The Member on the floor has the right to speak to this Chair. I do not need any interpretation from anyone else. If …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was not being pejorative. I was asking the Honourable Member, because I know I do speak quickly.
The Speaker The Speaker You question was put.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I was just asking about the liaison and for student excellence, and not who houses the programme that helps to create that student excellence. Is that liaison likely to continue under the Strategic Plan?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, the liaison with overseas institutions will continue.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or . . .
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am up to a third.
The Speaker The Speaker This is your third question. You have had two supplementaries on that question.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Third question, Mr. Speaker, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Third question, yes. QUESTION 3: PLAN 2022: BERMUDA’S STRAT EGIC PLAN FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, exactly. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister say whet her there is anything in the Plan which address the decli ning numbers of students over the last few years in the public school system that relates to consolidation of schools, or perhaps closure of schools, because clearly this was something …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, the Plan does not speak specifically to consolidation and closing of schools, but at this point, as we have stated in ou r Throne Speech, we will be undertaking an exercise to look at all schools from a building …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pampl in Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just wonder if the Minister could share whether the home school environment, which there seems to be a proliferation of home schools, how significantly the Strategic Plan considers the home school environment and its impact.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, the depar tment views home schools as alternative schools and it is spoken to, but it is not included within the Plan. 738 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly What this Strategic Plan is, it is a plan …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Do you still have a sup plementary? I recognise the Opposition Leader. You have the floor to ask your supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a lot of the discussion has caused me to read a little more into the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, quite simply the answer is no. It will not impact. And for complete . . . although I do not speak to operational matters, that director post is being temporarily filled as we speak.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Hon. Dr. E. Gran t Gibbons I do have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker —
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons —in relation to the Mini ster’s answer to my question about consolidation.
The Speaker The Speaker Sure. Continue on. SUPPLEMENTARY
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Could t he Minister please give us an understanding of what the timeframe is to review the schools, and the necessity for the number of schools given the plan for the closing of middle schools? Are we talking about 2018? Are we talking about 2019? What timeframe i s the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, one thing that I will state unequivocally that this administration will not push things forward for political expediency. When the time is right, the time will be right. Our children deserve at least that. And so to answer the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Supplementary. As I say, some of the questions have caused me to quickly read some of the information that is in here.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Could the Minister ind icate, based on what is in this Plan, whether budgets have been developed because it say s “Ensure budgets are developed by December for the next school year and school leaders are provided some autonomy to establish budget priorities for …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, as t he Stat ement . . . and it has been very publicly stated, this Plan will be in full implementation by September 2018. So all of the things which are spoken of on Plan this will begin to really …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. There are no further questions for the Minister of Education. The last Ministerial Statement that Members have a question for is that of Minister Caines. Bermuda House of Assembly Minister Caines, you have a question from the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honour able Mem ber Dunkley, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister , you have the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: Yes, Mr. Speaker. All very good questions. This has been considered and I would not say “pushed” by the UK but they are looking at the small island states making sure that the infrastructures are in place to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister . No further questions? No further supplementary? Further question or supplementary? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I thank the Honourable Minister for that in- depth reply. I note, Minister, in the comments that you made in reply to that question, you referred to cha llenges with our Caribbean neighbours with the hurr icane. Minister, do you believe that our …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minis ter? Hon. Wayne Caines: I believe that Bermuda has had a very robust response dealing with hurricanes. That is our area of speciality. So when we look at responding, and the global response that we have . . . well, when we have a hurricane, we have …
Mr. Jeff Baron Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is right and just and I commend the Minister for updating us and also advancing this. My question as a result of his comments r egarding the four to five estimated people that may be in this department, can the Minister expand a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Wayne Caines: When you look at the areas that we will be preparing: hurricanes, emergency plans for the airport, marine, search and rescue plans, and I will fast forward to counter terrorism plan [and] a mass casualty plan. When you are putting together a plan, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Mr. Jeff Baron Thank you, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on.
Mr. Jeff Baron Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to drill down on that specific point, when you have, again on page 4 into page 5, the 10 items that need to be developed, six of those items, Mr. Speaker, fall outside of the range of subject matter expertise between the Bermuda Police Service …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, the absolute genesis of this statement is showing the collaborative approach that we are using. We did not have the expertise as it pertains to dealing with major oil spills, dealing with the BELCO incident, and what did we do? We partnered …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? We recognise the Opposition Leader. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister, I just wondered, because we can get expertise and advice from lots of people and it helps us not reinvent the wheel. Hav e you taken advantage of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Wayne Caines: Absolutely. There are a number of agencies worldwid e that we are a member to, we Bermuda House of Assembly are signatories to, and we believe a part of this pr ocess, Mr. Speaker, and so that we are all aware, the Foreign …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes, I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: The reason I ask the question is because every time we do many of these things it becomes a budgetary issue and sometimes we are able to take advantage of programmes, especially like PAHO, that they might have where we can get some of this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Wayne Caines: I am not aware of the question, Mr. Speaker. What was the question?
The Speaker The Speaker Just a yes, that is all. Hon. Wayne Caines: The answer is —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We are in good stead. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne Caines: I just do not like to say “yes” arbitrarily. I legitimately was not . . . I did not see the question—
The Speaker The Speaker Question in there. Hon. Wayne Caines: —in that, and if my friend— Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, he is asking you to rephrase it in a clear question. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker You danced a little on that one. I was giving you a leeway, but make it a clear question. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: My supplementary was, have we reached out to any of these agencies to see whether from a budgetary point of view we could take advantage of some …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Wayne Caines: So, Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Statement was to do two things. It was to alert and notify this House of some things that the Government is doing, but, more importantly, to show t he global opportunity that we have for key partnerships.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne Caines: If the Bermuda Government were to host a seminar such as the one in the Stat ement, it would have been exceedingly cost prohibitive. We decided to partner wi th experts in a specific [field] to benefit not only the private sector, but the public sector, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further questions. No further . . . you have a supplementary or a new question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: A new question unless somebody has a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker No, they have used their supplementaries on that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am sorry to hear that, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. QUESTION 2: DISAS TER AND EMERGENCY PR EPAREDNESS BELCO MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL 742 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly EMERGENCY CONTINGENCY PLAN TABLETOP EXERCISE HELD ON 29 NOVEMBER 2017 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Honourable Minister, in regard to the Tabletop …
The Speaker The Speaker Put your question now. Put your question. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am getting right to that. But years ago when the Island was without power for a long period of time, we had some challenges. So now that we have had this Tabletop Exercise, what specific recommendations [are there], …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister? Hon. Wayne Caines: The team that was present. So, the first part of it was the . . . before we go into to the Tabletop Exerci se, the first part of it was looking at the infrastructure of BELCO. The first part of the exercise was …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Minister mentions looking at the infrastructure at BELCO. Hon. Wayne Caines: I did not say that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Was the report done by the RA that looked at the infrastructure using this …
The Speaker The Speaker I think . . . Hon. Wayne Caines: I did not say that.
The Speaker The Speaker The question was from a different perspective. They are looking at the response as far as a disaster. Your question was actually looking at the i nfrastructure of BELCO in regar d to a different perspective from the RA; there are two different perspectives in this sense. Hon. Michael H. …
The Speaker The Speaker To be fair, I tried to give some clarity on it. But you can finish it for him. Hon. Wayne Caines: No. No.
The Speaker The Speaker No. Thank you. No further questions? Your third question now. Third question; go ahead, last question for you. QUESTION 3: DISASTER AND EMERGENCY PR EPAREDNESS BELCO MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL EMERGENCY CONTINGENCY PLAN TABLETOP EXERCISE HELD ON 29 NOVEMBER 2017 Mich ael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister . Hon. Wayne Caines: For clarity, it was not the last Minister that put text messaging in place, just for clar ity. From another position that I had, Mr. Speaker, I can tell you that it was the Progressive Labour Party, a Progressive Labour Party Minister who initiated that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minis ter. No further questions. And that brings us to an end of the question- and-answer period. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker We now move on. But before we move on, I would like to acknowledge in the Gallery, Senator Hayward. Senat or Hayward, thank you for visiting us today. [Desk thumping] CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Acting Premier, Minister Burch. You have the floor.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes. Mr. Speaker, I would l ike to somewhat give condolences to St. George’s Cricket Club — [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch —in announcing that —
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have got the ear of the people from the east. Go ahead, now. You have got their attention. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I knew I would. To put them on notice, Mr. Speaker, that Somerset Cricket Club last night held its AGM [annual general meeting] and elected a new and dynamic leadership in Somerset.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes.
Lt. Col. Hon. D avid A. Burch So, let me just first pay tribute to the outgoing President of Somerset Cricket Club, of seven years, Mr. Alfred Maybury, who gave stellar service. Whilst in Somerset Cricket Club last night, Mr. Speaker, I had to reflect on that I may never complain about PLP caucuses again, because it …
The Speaker The Speaker A lot of business at hand, eh?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Oh, yes, a lot of bus iness conducted, Mr. Speaker. But what I would like to do is to extend congratulations to the new Executive at Somerset Cricket Club, the new young Executive at Somerset Cricket Club, led by Vashun Blanchette, who has moved up from Vice President to President. …
The Speaker The Speaker You thought everybody would be congratulating Somerset; I understand that. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Oh, yes. I am a Somerset supporter, so I go for that. Mr. Speaker, I just want to ask this House to send congratulations to the Georgia State University Risk Management Foundation. One might wonder why …
The Speaker The Speaker I think the clock has run out on you, Member. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Sorry. [Condolences to the family of] Patricia Talford Holder. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Any other Member? I recognise the Hono urable Member from constituency 21. Honourable Member Commissiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to have this House commend the work of Pastor Leroy Bean. As we know, he is the Gang Intervention Coordinator, more specifically because of the public announcement of the formation of the Fathers Support Group. These are the fathers who …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any other Member? I recognise the Honourable Minister of Educ ation. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like this Honourable House to send a letter of condolences to the family of Mrs. Patricia Holder, long- time …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you can associate us all. She taught many of us. Hon. Diallo V . S. Rabain: Unfortunately, her services are today [sic ]. And I am sure there are many of us who would like to be present at that who will not be able to be.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Sunday.
The Speaker The Speaker Sunday. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Oh, is it Sunday? I am so rry. I do apologise. I thought it was today.
The Speaker The Speaker No, no; Sunday. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Mr. Speaker, I would also like congratulations sent to Ms. Sandra Dill, who organised the Bermuda International College & Univer-sity Fair that started yesterday. It is a fair that brings universities from overseas, and includes our own local Bermuda College. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member . . . I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26. The Honourable Member Tyrrell, you hav e the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. Good morning to my co lleagues, as well. Mr. Speaker, I stand to ask that this House send condolences to the family of the late Claude Gregory St Clair Boyles, of Dev on Springs Road. I have been in connection with …
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Christoph er Famous Good morning to the li stening audience. Like my cousin, Honourable Member from [constituency] 26, the Boyles family has been the foundation of constituency 11. And I had the opportunity to speak with Mr. Claude Boyles a week before the election . And he gave his blessings that our party …
The Speaker The Speaker Is that a sign that we are congratulating Somerset as well?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, no.
Mr. Christopher Famous No, sir. [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous I congratulate them for taking notes. Mr. Speaker, there was an opening in a book, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times . . .” Mr. Speaker, a year ago to today, it was the worst time in Bermuda. I am sure we will speak …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. Honourable Member GordonPamplin, you have the floor.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would ask that this Honourable House send a note of congratulations to the Chamber of Commerce. Earlier this week, they put on an abs olutely incredible Breakfast Panel Discussion on Living Wage in which they had a guest speaker, who was Chuck Collins, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1. Honourable Member Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Renee Ming It has been a lot of talk around here today about St. George’s/Somerset, but I will get to that after the fact. First of all, I want to just give condolences to the Holder family, as well. Mrs. Holder was my year 4 form teacher. And those of you in …
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no. You are going onto soft territory now.
Mrs. Renee Ming So, Mr. Speaker, is it my time to speak, yes? Thank you. But I do want to just let Scott and Lisa —and Lisa was in my y ear in Berkeley —know that they are in our thoughts and prayers at this time. I am sure that each and every …
The Speaker The Speaker Remember you are on the air now. Do not share them. Do not share them. [Laughter]
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes. But I just want to let them know that they are in our prayers. I would also like to send congratulations to Mr. Richard Todd for being elected the President of the Bermuda Football Coaches Association. Everybody who knows Richard knows that he has been involved in football for …
The Speaker The Speaker Sure, there are a lot of red li ghts up and down this time of year, too. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker This season brings red lights down there for you folks. I recognise the Honourable Minister, Minister Foggo. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Firstly, I would like to be associated with the comments made by my honourable colleague, Renee Ming, regarding congratulations going out for the Mayor …
The Speaker The Speaker Maybe I should have taken the other Member. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: And I want all Members here to understand that. The mayor has done a remarkable job in ensuring that St. George’s stays on the map. And I would say to our Acting Premier, …
The Speaker The Speaker Is that a role for the Acting Premier? He is supposed to be Santa Claus now? [Laughter] Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Hopefully, he will be there to invite Santa. [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I would like to take a picture of that one. That would be a first. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: But also, Mr. Speaker, I have to join in with the condolences for Madam Holder. She was a teacher par excellence. I am sure the Clerk can attest to this: She …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley, you have th e floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences to the Boyles family. I was the MP for that area when …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 2. Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like a suitable letter sent to the President of the Par 5 Golf Club, which is cel ebrating 20 years in existence in our community. Mr. David Bur ch and the Opposition Leader, Mrs. Atherden, would like to be associated. They …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 12. Honourable Member Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, let me just associate myself with the condolences to the Blakeney family. I spent quite a bit of time with Mr. Blakeney, getting into t he political arena. And the advice and history alone that he gave were quite phenomenal. And it seems that we …
The Speaker The Speaker No other Member? We recognise the Honourable Minister De Silva. You have the floor. Hon. Zan e J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to join colleagues in offering condolences to a few people who have passed in the last couple of days, and …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Boyles. Boyles.
The Speaker The Speaker It is Boyles. Boyles. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I mean Claude Boyles, Claude Boyles, Mr. Speaker. It is funny. Because we are talking about golf, I think about Claude James. But certainly, I had many experiences with Claude and his son, and I think everybody knows his son …
The Speaker The Speaker Have you hit those numbers yet yourself? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I could tell you that we had major championship winners, Mr. Speaker, come to Port Royal over the years. And I can tell you, for him to shoot that score at Port Royal under tourn ament …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And again, to Pat Horgan III and hi s family, welcome to Bermuda.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Thank you, Mini ster. Any other Members? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 32. Honourable Member Simmons, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Simmons Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise and ask that I be associated with the remarks so far on the passing of Mr. St. Clair Blakeney. It is with respect that I extend my Bermuda House of Assembly deepest condolences from my family to their family. Mr. Speaker, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No further Members wish to speak. We will now move on to the next item on the Order. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker We have one Government Bill to be introduced today. And we recognise the Honourable Minister. Honourable Minister De Silva, you have the floor. FIRST READING MISUSE OF DRUGS (DECRIMINALISATION OF CANNABIS) AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. S peaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE TO EXAMINE, R EVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON E XISTING LEGISLATION WHICH ADDRESSES THE NECESSITY FOR A PUBLI C SEX OFFENDERS’ REGISTER
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1. Honourable Member Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, again.
Mrs. Renee Ming I give notice that I propose to move the following motion at the next day of Meeting: WHEREAS it is acknowledged that the public are becoming increasingly aware of incidents relating to sexual offenders, and these incidents are alarming and create widespread concern as to how we manage the information …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker We are now on Orders of the Day, Members, and the first item that we will be taking up this morning is Order No. 2, in the name of the Mini ster of Health. And it is the Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes Amendment Act 2017. Minister Wilson, you …
Mr. Speaker . . . The Speaker Yes? 750 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I am just trying to get the Clerk so I can pass a copy of the brief to the Shadow. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Take your seat. Take your seat real quick, Minister. Take your seat for a moment. Let him walk across. Let him walk . . . I am doing you a courtesy. I am giving you a courtesy; go ahead. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Real quick. All right. Now you can r esume to your feet, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: All right. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that pause. I wanted to share a copy of the brief with the Shadow Minister. This morning when I was walking in this morning, …
The Speaker The Speaker It is a new day. Let us go forward. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: It is a new day. And as Christ opher Earle, who is a novelist as well as a motivational speaker, said, it is always important to be gracious in defeat and humble in victory . So with …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. We appreciate that. BILL SECOND READING RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES AND NURS ING HOMES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to rise before this House today for the Second Reading of the Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes Amendment Bill 2017. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 20. Honourable Member Jac kson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, and good mor ning, Mr. Speaker. I want to also thank the members of the Ageing and Disability Services, Members of the Ministry of Health who have worked very hard to make these amendments possible, and certainly all of the admini strative and owners of residential care homes …
The Speaker The Speaker She has got a minute. I was about to have her yield.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have got one minute.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Really? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker You have got one minute.
The Speaker The Speaker To lunch.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. So, we are making these steps toward accreditation. But I just want to, before we close, Mr. Spea ker, say that before . . . [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I tell you what.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. I get that.
The Speaker The Speaker I tell you what. Being that there seems to be some confusion going on, let me ease you—
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I get that.
The Speaker The Speaker —and have you take your seat now. And I will recognise the Deputy Premier [sic] . Deputy Premier, you have the floor.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Acting Premier.
The Speaker The Speaker Acting Premier, sorry.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch You are as confused as I am, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that we adjourn to lunch.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members. The House stands adjourned until 2:00 pm. Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] BILL SECOND READING RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES AND NURSING HOMES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 [Debate thereon continuing] 754 1 December 2017 Official Hansard …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson So we have had a look at the fact that there are inspectors. I would suspect that Government is going to increase their group of inspectors that will be supporting residential care homes and nursing homes. We will probably have a comprehen-sive Code of Practice coming out soon, and I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Honourable Deputy Speaker. You have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I am always glad and happy to see something coming forward that would enhance the situation with …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Very shortly! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Well, they . . . those are my relatives — [Inaudible interjection] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, those are my re latives there speaking, Mr. Speaker . And I am going to try to take care of them …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to speak? Okay, we recognise the Leader of the Oppos ition. Madam Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , obviously, a year ago I would have been the Minister of Health …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26. Honourable Member Tyrrell, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker , and good afternoon. I do not want to belabour the introduction of this amendment Act, but I do wish to commend the Minister and support her in bringing it forward. Let me say that I believe that all avenues must be pursued in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . And I thank those Members who contributed to this debate for their support and, in particular, the Honourable Leader of the Opposition, who helped to clear up …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Deputy? House in Committee at 2:46 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman ] COMMITTEE ON BILL RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES AND NURSING HOMES AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes Amendment Act 2017 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to …
The Chairman Chairman [Clauses] 1 through 5. Any objections to moving clauses 1 through 5? Honourable Member , Susan Jackson.
Ms. Sus an E. Jackson Yes, I just have one question.
The Chairman Chairman Are you objecting to moving clauses 1 through 5?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, I am not objecting.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, okay. Well, the Minister has the floor. Go ahead, carry on, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay, thank you. Clause 1 provides a citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends section 2 of the principal Act by amending, deleting and inserting definitions. Clause 3 amends section 5 of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers on clauses 1 through 5?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I just have one question. I notice that in the definition they have repealed the term “appli cation,” but then there is reference to making application throughout those first five clauses. So I do not know if there is an actual written application that needs to be made or how …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Clause 5 is where it appears. So it is making application for a licence, and then an application f or renewal, and then . . . it comes up one more time . . . and then it is referring to an application fee, which I guess is the fee …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I am not exactly following it, but perhaps if I can go ahead and . . . unless there is an objection, move the other cl auses and proceed and then I can—
The Chairman Chairman Well, I think what she wants to know is do you have a new application form, do I have it right?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Okay. In the definitions of the amendment it is actually deleting the term “applic ation.” Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Do you mean in the Interpret ations? [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, it is . . . in clause 2(b) “by deleting the following —(i) the definition of ‘applic ation.’” But then in clause 5, you know, there is just reference to an application quite a bit. So I just do not know if there is a written application or a …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Clause 5 beginning with “I ssuance of a licence.” Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Are you looking at the substantive Bill?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, I am looking at your amendments.
The Chairman Chairman The amendment on page 3.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Page 3. The definition is d eleted on page 2, but then there is reference to an “application” numerous times on page 3 in clause 5. 762 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Well, they have to have an applic ation, it says …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Well, yes, and also—
The Chairman Chairman Unless it is new . . . 5 is new.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Right, but there is still reference to an application even though the term “applic ation” as a definition has been deleted. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I see that in section 2 it does remove the term “application,” but it does not remove it from the rest of the …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, the word “application” is deleted there, but the word “application” still exists throughout the rest of the . . . I am sorry, in the interpreta tion se ction of clause 2. The word “application” is deleted; …
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am sorry, but my concern is that the definition of “application” has been deleted as well. So I . . . it was my understanding that licences would be granted based on the performance of the inspection —
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —and so now I am seein g that there is some application that needs to be made in order to get a licence. And I am just trying to find out whether that is a form or whether that is a letter of request . . . just what that …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman. The princ ipal Act defines “application.” So if I could refer the Honourable Member to the principal Act, section 7(1) defines an application as an application for registr ation.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: If I can just add, it was deleted from this section so that it would not cause confusion because the principal Act refers to it in section 7(1) . . . what an application is and the process.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we have it. Minister, do you want to move further claus es? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move clauses 6 through 9 which refer to the powers of the Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to moving clauses 6 through 9? There appear to be none. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 6 inserts sections 14A and 14B, and a division heading entitled “Powers of the Minister.” Section 14A provides for the operator of a home who intends to cease …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers on clauses 6 through 9? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Susan Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just questioning on page 6 under clause 7 where the operator of a home is required to assist in the relocation of residents. This is after the Minister has cancelled a licence. I am just wondering Bermuda House of Assembly why it would be …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: As the provisions relate, Mr. Chairman, it is as far as is practicable because the conditions in which the Minister may put on the home, i.e., perhaps, to cl ose the home, cannot be . . . they …
The Chairman Chairman Got you. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move the next lot of clauses? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, I wish to move clauses 10 through 14, which provides supplemental provisions, such as app eals and establishing the Code of Practice.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to moving clauses 10 through 14? There appear to be none. Continue, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 10 repeals and replaces section 17 of the princi pal Act for the purpose of deleting and substituting various references in that section, including deleting the …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clauses 10 through 14? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move the rest of the clauses? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you. I would like to move clauses 15 through 20, please. Clause 15, Mr. Chairman, inserts section 23A which provides for …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clauses 15 through 20? The Chair recognises the Leader of the O pposition, Mrs. Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to refer the Minister to clause 19 which is the transitional, which indicates “Paragraphs 1 and 2 of Schedule …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? Minister Wilson? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for that question. There will be . . . there could potentially be a myriad of reasons why the Mini ster may not allow for the grandfathering in and, obviously, it would be dealt with …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Leader of the O pposition, Mrs. Atherden. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I guess I just want some clarity in the sense that right now the way it is worded, it sounds to me very much that it is open- ended, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. Well, with respect to [clause] 19, the Code of Practice will provide specific restrictions to force compliance with respect to the way that these facilities are being operated. So that will be contained in the Code of Practice.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move the clauses and the Schedules and the Preamble? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move clauses 1 through 20.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Any objections to clauses 1 through 20 being approved? There appear to be no objections. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 20 passed.] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move the Preamble— The Deputy Clerk: The Schedules Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —and the Schedules. The Deputy Clerk: …
The Chairman Chairman Preamble. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: —Preamble.
The Chairman Chairman Do the Preamble and then— The Deputy Clerk: The Preamble is after the Schedules. Move the Schedules first. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay, well then this is wrong. I would like to move the Schedules, please. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Yes, Schedules 1, 2, and 3? Hon. Kim …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Any objections to approve them? No objections to Schedules 1, 2, and 3. [Motion carried: Schedules 1, 2, and 3 passed.] The C hairman: Now you can move the Preamble, Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move the Preamble.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to . . . no objections to approving the Preamble. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: I would like to m ove that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, so moved. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. [Motion carried: The Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and pass ed wit hout amendments.] House resumed at 3:07 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] …
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. Any objections to the Resident ial Care Homes and Nursing Homes Amendment Act 2017 being r eported to the House? No objections to it being reported as printed? So moved. We now move on to the next Order of the Day. I understand Orders 3, 4, 5, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I rise to move the motion: “WHEREAS the Government having declared its intention to establish a Parliamentary C ommittee to look into the events generally, including the decisionmaking and any di rectives of the Executive and the then Speaker of the House given …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Member, you can go ahead. Are there no objections to the Member m oving forward with his Motion? No objections, continue on, Member.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker , I rise today [to speak about] a solemn date in Bermuda’s history, namely, December 2 nd 2016, the anniversary of that unfortunate day when Bermudians found themselves in the line of an aggressive police deployment. I say “unfortunate.” Mr. Speaker , let me just say at this …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, will you take a point of order?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I am just concerned that the Honourable Member is not arriving at the conclusion he thinks the Joint Select Committee should arrive at. Presumably, what we are debating is whether …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I accept that.
The Speaker The Speaker I do not think he was actually drawing to conclusions right now, I think he was painting a case of how we got to this point.
The Speaker The Speaker And I will allow him to continue.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker . But I appreciate that the Honourable Member would bring a point of order. I certainly . . . in trying to get a feel for why . . . because we have to realise, Mr. Speaker , that the course of action has gone well …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 9. Honourable Member Moniz, you have the floor. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you . Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I rise to my feet on behalf of the Opposition to congratulate the …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. We will take your point of order. Go ahead, Member. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous No one was called out for civil disobedience on December 2 nd. We were called out to stand for democracy and transparency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes, Mr. Speaker . I beg to differ with that. There were a number of people that . . . I think that he may mean to say that he did not call someone out for civil disobedience, and that may well Bermuda …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yield Member, we will take a point of order. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I think the Honourable Member is [imputing] improper motives on myself. I was relating what was shared with me by a person who was involved in that. I would be happy to intr oduce the person to the Honourable Member .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member .
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And this House.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Is he saying that people had bones broken on December 2 nd, Mr. Speaker ? I am not quite sure what he is saying. He has gone silent, so.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, if you are asking the question were people seriously injured that day? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: No, no; were bones broken?
The Speaker The Speaker The answer is yes to that. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I know. I am asking—
The Speaker The Speaker The answer is yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —him if bones were broken.
The Speaker The Speaker People were seriously —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And the member that r elated it to me, Mr. Speaker , was fearful of more than just his bones being broken; he was fearful for his life. Those were his words to me, Mr. Speaker . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: So his bones were broken you are saying. Is …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, let us not get caught up on semantics o ver there, because the bottom line is that people were injured. Let us move on. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes. Clear enough. I am not sure if “ broken bone” is technical to the person who has it, but we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency — Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thirty -six.
The Speaker The Speaker Thirty-six. I recognise the Honourable Member Michael Scott. You have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker , thank you. Mr. Speaker , we find ourselves on the anniversary, nearly by a day, of the terrible events as I recall them and as I lived them last year almost …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, are you finished? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker I just want to ask because you made mention of the fact that you were going to make an amendment regarding the sanctions. Did you actually make that as a motion? [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker You need to move that as a motion if you intend to do that, or you can do it at some other point. But I would suggest you do it now. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I would be happy to make this simple —
The Speaker The Speaker Because you are correct in that the Commit tee that will be formed would not have the a uthority to impose the sanctions as you described, so I would suggest that if you intend to make the motion— Hon. Michael J. Scott: Sure.
The Speaker The Speaker —you make the motion and we can vote on the motion and have that amendment made now. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael J. Scott: All right. I will try and do it [by] the seat of my pants . . . but I could take my seat, write it …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: And take the opportunity to either have it inserted or read by a speaker or, with your leave, I will do it. Thanks, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Good. Now, does any other Member wish to speak? We will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 11. Honourable Member Famous, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker , thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker , the Honourable Member from constituency 2 who brought this motion had to rely on witnesses telling him about what happened. Mr. Speaker , I was there along with many others on the other side and many other Bermudians. With your indulgence, Mr. Speaker , I would like …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, continue.
Mr. Christopher Famous 2“What transpired in Bermuda last Friday was disheartening to see and unacceptable. Let me be very clear, I do not condone the violence that occurred against our citizens and was deeply troubled by what occurred.” 2 Bernews , 4 December 2016 Let me repeat, Mr. Speaker , the former Premier …
Mr. Christopher Famous I will yield, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. We will be tolerant and allow the former Attorney General if he wants to shed some light on that. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I do not speak for the police, but I just reiterate what I quoted earlier …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, thank you.
Mr. Christopher Famous Fair enough, Mr. Speaker . Some people will rely on laws from racist days, but . . . Nevertheless, Mr. Speaker , we have had protests up and down this Island, many protests ou tside this very building. As the Honourable Member from constituency 2 said, we had thousands of …
Mr. Christopher Famous I beg your pardon, sir? [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker , there are those who are going to say just get over it! There are those who are going to say the people got what they deserved as far as being pepper -sprayed. Anyone who has felt pepper -spray does not deserve that. So I want to know …
Mr. Jeff Baron I’m coming across.
The Speaker The Speaker You can’t come this way, partner. Go the other way. Let’s go.
Mr. Jeff Baron MP Baron, not “partner.”
The Speaker The Speaker Baron, MP Baron—
Mr. Jeff Baron Not “partner.”
The Speaker The Speaker MP— Take a seat, Mr. Famous. MP! MP! [Crosstalk ] [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, I am asking you to come here to me. Do you have a problem with me just now?
Mr. Jeff Baron I said, “MP Baron; not partner.”
The Speaker The Speaker I corrected that.
Mr. Jeff Baron Thank you .
The Speaker The Speaker And I would expect you to use a different tone. I did not say it to you in a demeaning tone; I was trying to address you to come back so you did not continue the infringement.
Mr. Jeff Baron All right. Would you have taken that personally . . .
The Speaker The Speaker I was trying to help you.
Mr. Jeff Baron Okay, well . . . MP Baron, not partner.
The Speaker The Speaker When my help is offered, accept it as help that is being offered.
Mr. Jeff Baron I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. Continue, Member.
Mr. Jeff Baron Thank you , now —
The Speaker The Speaker You can go where you are going. Mr. Jeff Baron: Thank you , Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker , I find it su spect— [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Um— [Inaudible interjection and general uproar ]
The Speaker The Speaker You know —
Mr. Jeff Baron I have a point of order. He is imputing improper motives . . . so how may I call a point of order, Mr. Speaker ?
The Speaker The Speaker If you go here and speak to your Member on this side, he will help you to get to your seat correctly. Mr. Famous, you still have the floor, continue.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker , let me r epeat, I find it suspect or highly interesting that the then Minister of National Security knew nothing about this—
Mr. Jeff Baron Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker I will have the Member yield for your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Jeff Baron The Member, Mr. Speaker , is misleading the House. At no point did I ever say that I did not . . . that I was not aware of the police operation at all. Completely misleading.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for your point of order. Mr. Famous, continue.
Mr. Christoph er Famous If the fish never opened his mouth . . . Well, Mr. Speaker , it is interesting that the former Minister of National Security is saying that he knew about this operation. Because I can recall, Mr. Speaker , either reading or hearing someone say, I knew nothing about this …
Mr. Jeff Baron Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. 778 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Jeff Baron Mr. Speaker , the entire police oper ation was the subject of a re port, as the report we have already seen (the independent report) has revealed. This report was out days before this operation. If he is speaking specifically to tactics, then he should clarify it. The Report of …
The Speaker The Speaker Your point did not add much clarity to it, but we recognise you made a point. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Former Attorney General, you have a point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Well, the difficulty here in terms of misleading the House is whether we are getting into evidence that the Committee would hear. You know, it is what I warned at the beginning. Are …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General, I recognise the concern that you have addressed, but as you know, as a Member who has been around here for a number of years, an open debate allows it to drift in many different ways. We will remind Members that they are not here during this debate …
The Speaker The Speaker Members are expressing their view and their opinion of that particular date. But I am reminding Members that the int ent of this motion is to allow the House to formulate a Committee that will do the investigation, and not necessar ily for the investigation to take place on the …
Mr. Christopher Famous Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , with your indulgence, I would like to read something from the Royal Gazette of December 5, 2016.
The Speaker The Speaker You can continue.
Mr. Christopher Famous The headline says: “Baron: I was not consulted on police actions.” I will quote, Mr. Speaker : “Senator Jeff Baron, Minister of National S ecurity, said he was ‘troubled and concerned’ by the altercation between police and protesters last week. “And he pointed out he was not consulted b efore …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes, yes.
Mr. Jeff Baron Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker We will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Jeff Baron Mr. Speaker —
Mr. Jeff Baron —so, clearly, I agree with 100 per cent of what the Member just read in the paper. I have not . . . he is misleading the House, yet again. I will not stand here and be impugned.
Mr. Christopher Famous That is what you said.
Mr. Jeff Baron I did not. Bermuda House of Assembly Would you like to read that again? I did not. I will not stand here, Mr. Speaker , and be impugned. I did not say —
The Speaker The Speaker What I am going to allow ––
Mr. Jeff Baron I did not at any time, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Jeff Baron —say I was not aware of the oper ation. At no point did I say that.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank —
Mr. Jeff Baron We will not rewrite history, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Member, you have made a few points of order on that matter. What I am going to suggest is that if you do not like the suggestion that is being made by the speaker at this time, you have the ability to rise to your feet when …
The Speaker The Speaker Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh . . . uh. So all I am asking at this point is that we will let th e Member come to a conclusion on his feet and then you can take to your feet at any time you wish. Continue on, Mr. Famous.
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, Mr. Speaker . This highlights why we need to have an i nquiry, Mr. Speaker , because my initial comment was I find it highly interesting that the then Minister of N ational Security could say that he knew nothing about this operation. That is all I said. He …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue to speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair, do not get caught up in the side com-ments, just speak to the Chair.
Mr. Chris topher Famous Mr. Speaker , this . . . 364 days ago was the worst day Bermuda has ever seen in quite some time. Without a doubt it changed the mind -set of how Bermudians see the police officers, how Bermudians see each other through a racial context, as if it could …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak to this matter? No other Member is speaking? I recognise the Honourable Minister. Minister Foggo, you have the floor. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Yes, Mr. Speaker , thank you for the opportunity to speak. I feel compelled to speak on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member . . . I recognise the Honourable Member , the Minister for National Secur ity. Minister Caines, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker , you cannot fix what you do not face. You cannot fix what you do not face. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct. Hon. Wayne Caines: And that is why we have to, on behalf of the people of this country, show them that they are important, that they matter, and we will stand up for injustice every time. Now the reason why this is important for us to learn from these …
Mrs. Renee Ming Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker , and listening audience. Mr. Speaker , I solemnly rise to my feet today to actually talk about December 2nd, 2016, because it is one of those days where, I do not care how much we talk about it, I will never be proud of what …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. We recognise the Member from const ituency 12. Honourable Member Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Let me first say I want to thank the [previous] Member for her comments. I actually was sitting here and not having any intention of saying much at all to the year -ago situation and then said, You know, I think some of us are …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, we all do. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Yes. My point is this: You know, we are going to have a whole lot of this going on. You know, I am hearing the . . . this . . . while I am speaking . . . When are we going to grow up and just allow …
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair.
Mr. L. Craig Cann onier I am concerned, too, Mr. Speaker , about what took place.
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, I am talking to the Chair, but I want to make sure that everybody in this Honourable House understands where we are as a group.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We know where we are.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, yeah. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And so, based on that, Mr. Speaker , based on what I have just heard, we have to take a collective agreement here that we could thro w a whole lot of blame around. The point is people should have never been in the position of getting pe pper-sprayed, at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. We recognise the Honourable Minister for Education. Honourable Minister , you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I know we often say this when we get up that, you know, I was not expecting to speak , and such. And …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDE R [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member is misleading the House and misleading the public. If he believes someone was doing that he should maybe name that person. I know that for myself and other Members that were very close to me, they were not up here ignoring the facts of what took place …
The Speaker The Speaker Your point of order is taken. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker , I honestly do not know what the purpose of that was. All right?
The Speaker The Speaker Just, just speak — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: The record will reflect . . . the record reflects that —
The Speaker The Speaker Just let me give you some direction. Just speak to the Chair and try not to take it on a personal level to anyone. Just speak to the facts as you know them without getting personal. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . But, as I was …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Member , again, is misleading the House. He is saying the facts speak for them-selves. We are having a Joint Select Committee so we can get the facts. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, yes, yes, Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker The Speaker Let us not get all riled up over small matters in regard to side comments that may have been said. Let us speak to what has got to be done on both sides, and let us go on to the matter before us. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker …
The Speaker The Speaker See? See? See? See? That is the type of stuff we do not need. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no, Member. Take your seat. Take your seat, take your seat, take your seat, take your seat. I am in the Chair. I am controlling this House. If you have a problem, the door is there. I have stopped the Member because I am going to address …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker . I did not say “caucus” was upset. I said Members . . . there were Members within that caucus that were upset. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain : Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker Let us . . . let us . . . I said to the room just now, let us not get caught up on semantics or little words. He expressed his opinion. If he goes too far, I will call him to order . . . if any Member goes …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I thought that, too. Hon. Diallo V. S. Ra bain: It is a motion —
The Speaker The Speaker I was hoping we would have out of it by now, but continue on. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: It is a motion to get a Joint Select Committee to look into why the things happened the way they happened on that day, Mr. Speaker . And any responsible Government …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. With that said, Members, remember we are here to get to the agreement of a Joint Select Commi t-tee that will do the investigation. We are not here to conduct the investigation. So . . . at this time, Honourable Member from [constituency] 36, I saw you …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, just put the motion, now that it has been structured. AMENDMENT TO MOTION Hon. Michael J. Scott: It is proposed to insert the following amendment after the word “required” in paragraph (2), the following words: “include in any recommendation such sanctions as are appropriate ari sing from the Committee’s …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: And that is the amendment that takes the motion to a point where we are not cal ling on the Joint Select Committee to make sanctions, but to make recommendations. This is quite normal that they should make recommendations.
The Speaker The Speaker The intent of it is that the way it was originally worded was that the Committee would make the— Hon. Michael J. Scott: Sanctions.
The Speaker The Speaker —sanctions. It does not. The sanctions would have to be part of any recommendation coming forward. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Sir, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker And that is the intent that has been cleaned up now. Hon. Michael J. Scott: They are now cleaned up.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. 786 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Mr. Speaker , if I may, just to . . . I will call it a point of clarification.
The Speaker The Speaker Sure. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Would it not be simpler, with respect, to the Honourable Member , and instead of . . . I was not quite sure what he was saying, but “where required recommend sanctions”? Would that not just be . . . insert the word “recommend” after [the word] “required,” would that …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you . [Crosstalk]
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Sorry, Mr. Speaker , maybe it is better “where appropriate recommend sancti ons.” How about that one?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it is the “required” piece that needs to be.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. So strike the word “required” after [the word] “where” and just say “where appropriate recommend sanctions.” How about that one?
The Speaker The Speaker [Are] you comfortable with that? [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Mr. Deputy Clerk, Assistant Clerk, did you get it correctly? Hon. Michael J. Scott: He has recommended that I type it, and I can go and do that and we can . . . if there are other Members who are going to contribute to the debate—
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, what we want at this point is . . . we will have it typed and cleaned up for you. Okay? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Very well, t hank you.
The Speaker The Speaker What we want at this point is for the room to accept that the [amendment] is what it is. If you read the [amendment] back out then we can have a vote on the [amendment], and we can move on the matter. Okay? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker And as . . . [Crosstal k]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, and basically the word in question here, Members, is where it says “where required sanc tions.” What we have put in place of it is that it would s ay “where appropriate recommend sanctions.” So “required” is taken out. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you. That is simple language.
The Speaker The Speaker That is the one word that needs to be addressed. So if everyone is comfortable with it, I will read what we have done now, if you do not mind. Basically, under that section of the motion, it is listed as item (2) on there, it reads . . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Would you like to speak to it ?
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Just for grammat ical accuracy —
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin After [the word] “appropriate” —comma—“recommend.” [Laughter]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Just to make sure.
The Speaker The Speaker No prob lem. So Members, we have agreed that is the amendment. Can we take a vote on the amendment? Is the room in favour of the amendment?
The Speaker The Speaker Anyone opposed to the amendment? No. [Motion carried: Amendment to resolve (2) a pproved.]
The Speaker The Speaker No further speakers. Bermuda House of Assembly Would the Honourable Member who moved the motion like to put your motion to a vote now? Thank you.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker . I would like to put it to a vote and just thank Members for partic ipating. I just want to add that I think that, given the circumstances of that day, it is to be expected that it would be an emotive debate. And I look …
The Speaker The Speaker Are Members in favour of the motion as it stands with the corrected amendment?
The Speaker The Speaker Any opposed? No. The motion is moved. [Motion carried: The Motion to appoint a Joint Select Committee to investigate report and make recommendations on the events of December 2, 2016, was approved as amended.]
The Speaker The Speaker The next item on the agenda is [Order] No. 8. It is a motion in the name of the Honourable Member from constituency 22. Honourable Member Gibbons, would you like to move your motion now?
Hon. Dr. E. G rant Gibbons Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. MOTION TAKE NOTE OF THE ECONOMIC, ENVIRONME NTAL AND SOCIAL IMPACT OF THE 35TH ANNUAL AMERICA’S CUP ON BERMUDA AND THE FOU NDATION FOR FURTHER GROWTH
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker , I move the following motion, notice of which was given on 17 N ovember 2017. The motion is: “That this Hono urable House take note of the Economic, Environment al and Social Impact of the 35 th America’s Cup on Bermuda and the foundation for further growth.”
The Speaker The Speaker Good. So moved. Go ahead.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker , with your permission, there are two documents that I am going to probably refer to on a number of occ a-sions throughout my comments. And what I would like to do is simply put them on the Table here, if I may.
The Speaker The Speaker You can lay them before the House, yes, you may. Would you just pass it over for him? Thank you.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you , Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , let me begin by saying that t his is a slightly different debate than, certainly, the one we just had. And I recognise and appreciate that. But I think it is also fair to say that there is an anniversary here …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons And I think we all recall in this House, Mr. Deputy Speaker , that Bermuda was struggling at the time to emerge from a prolonged r ecession that occurred in 2009, or, I should say, it probably began in 2009. And when the former Government left in December 2012, the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have four minutes left.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Four minutes left. Okay. Well, let me . . . I am going to pass on the Dockyard because I think that . . . but that was not in the report. PwC made a conscious decision there. I think I will end on this, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, the Honourable Member from cons tituency 22, Grant Gibbons. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Minister Zane De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. What a presentation. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Honourable Member who just took his seat started off …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, Mr. De puty Speaker, because I do not know if I am going to run out of time tonight or not, and I have quite a bit of files here. But one of the things I have, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is a …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes, yes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Friends and family. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My honourable colleague says, friends and famil y. It is the biggest friends and family party I have ever seen.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Honourable Member is imputing improper motives there—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, are you calling a point of order?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibb ons A point of order, yes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker All right. One second. Let me recognise you. You are from constituency — [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It is the Honourable Member Grant Gibbons, from constituency 22. What is your point of order, sir?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am sure you recognise me by now, but . . . [Laughter] POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives]
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The Honourable Member is clearly [imputing] improper motives there in calling it friends and family. I think it is just a sad pathetic given the amount of hundreds and hundreds hours that Alan Burland personally put in before the announcement of the America’s Cup. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will take a point of order.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member None coming.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, a point of order. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes. The Deputy Speake r: What is your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I think it would be fair to say that at the time it was very clear that given the experience and the amount of lead- up that Burland’s had put into it, and the speed at whi ch we had to hit the ground, that that was the only firm …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I accept that. Carry on, Ministe r. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Tell you what, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You give me a $10 million job and I will be under what the normal rate is too. Okay? Now, the Honourable Member . . . I hope people are listening. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, what kind of . . . what is all this hoodwinking stuff going on, Mr. Deputy Speaker? Are we that . . . are we that —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And you must be grateful for it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, and be thankful for it. So, let us paint this picture. The Government gives ACBDA $77 million. They buy all sorts of stuff. Give out all sorts of work to their friends and family. They …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Take your ti me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am taking my time. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have two r eports that the Honourable Member tabled. I happen to have a copy. And I want to talk about the PwC report for just a moment. Now, I …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Point of order, Mr. [De puty] Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The point of order is the Honourable Member has forgotten to mention that section 5 is the environmental and social impact r eport. Not the economic part.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Carry on. Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: I did not forget anything at all Mr. [Deputy] Speaker. I did not forget; I called it out. I know exactly what I was doing. Now, Mr. [Dep uty] Speaker, because I am going to dovetail into something else. The Honourable …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Can’t be quantified. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Can’t be quantified. Now, let me just . . . Mr. Deputy Speaker, so, all of this, and I think it is labelled the “Legacy Impact. ” For the layman, it is what is going to happen after America’ s Cup. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mildrent. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, couple of mildrent. Yes, exactly. [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mildew. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: “Mildew” is probably better, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Yes. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Honourable Dr. Gibbons talked about other countries that have hosted the America’s Cup. He talked about San Francisco a little bit. But he did not tell you everything about San …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ferries. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, do not forget the ferries. Yes. Do not forget the ferries and what that cost. I did not h ave that number. But I do have those, Mr. Deputy Speaker. But, you know, when you add it all up at the end …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, oh. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: They found more on top of the $100 million for the America’s Cup to fix the Cabinet Office. Thank you very much, by the way, former Premier Dunkley. It is very comfortable and nice. The schools could not find any money for …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, sir! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No! We could not find money for our people that have to now take their hardearned money and maybe catch a taxi because they are late for work. And if they do not get to work on time, they are …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, oh! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How about assisting our children’s education? Hats off to our Premier. The first thing he said was, We got to get some money for our children up at the college. We gave them $300,000 and we got, I think, we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Now Famous is cutting down trees. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now Famous is out there cutting trees every day. Thank you, Brother Famous. [Laughter and desk thumping] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Now, the Honourable Member, Dr. Gibbons, talked about Hamilton Princess in particular. I think he …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You h ave got 20 minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you very much. Mr. Deputy Speaker, good. I should be able to get to some points. Now, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you had the retai lers that thought that they could sell their wares up at the America’s …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of clarific ation? Sit down, Zane. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You . . . no! No point of clarification. Sorry.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker He is not yielding. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I do not want you taking up my time.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker He is not yielding. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay, well, because he knows he is on a sticky wicket. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am not on any sticky wicket. I would think that the Honourable Member . . . he will get a chance to speak. …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I said nothing about 8 per cent. I think it was actually closer to 22. But that is up to the BTA. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Actually, he has got it wrong; it was 14. I was just trying him …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker What is your point of order, Dr. Gibbons? POINT OF ORDER
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The PwC report was done after our Government.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Carry on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh. So when do you think they st arted, Mr. Deputy Speaker? July 19 th? [Laughter] 804 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Dr. Gi bbons, when did they start? July 19th? …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I now recognise the Honourable Member fr om constituency 25. Honourable Member Baron, you have the floor. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Jeff Baron: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise relatively early in this debate on the motion by my colleague, Dr. Grant Gi bbons, …
Mr. Jeff Baron They deserve those kudos. Regar dless of how you feel, the America’s Cup was econom-ically, socially, environmentally [a success]. The men and women, hundreds of them, Bermudians, who trained, who sweated every single day to secure that event deserve bipartisan support from this House and the other place as well, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? You rose just in time. We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 23. The Honourable Member GordonPamplin, you have the floor.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a couple of things that I wish to use to preface my remarks with, after I congratulate my honourable colleague from constituency 22 for bringing this report to this Honourable House for it to be considered, debated, critiqued, embraced, rejected— whatever the …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, yield. We have got a point of order. What is your point of order, Member? POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Dennis Lister III The point of order is to the Honourable Member’s comment. Yes, in Bermuda, sailing is a mixed sport, because we are surr ounded by water. I myself sailed for three years when I was young. But the sport in itself of the America’s Cup is predominantly white. That is where …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for your point. Continue, Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me say that some of the challenges, as I started to allude to, in hosting this came from some of the negative comments and the negative atmosphere that was created around the event, not least of which was that there was somebody at …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin So at the time, I actually stopped my egress from the airport, spoke to those in charge, gave instructions that whoever was responsible for this order, it needed to stop immediately. There were two flights coming down after my flight, which were a JetBlue from New York and an American …
The Speaker The Speaker Member, would you yield to a point of order? Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, the Member is misleading the House. She is making a quantum leap suggesting that she saw some behaviour that she did not like at the airport, and she is trying to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Mr. Speaker, at no time did I say the leadership of the PLP. I did not say that. I said that when you have a negative attitude being permeated relating to a specific event, and som ebody determines to utilise that negativity to put a spanner in the works — …
The Speaker The Speaker Your point has been made, Minister. Your point has been made. But I am going to let the Member continue down the road on the basis that I think she was giving an opinion of the atmosphere that was happening. The moment she crosses that line to actually tie it …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I just question. But let me just say —
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on speaking to the Chair.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speak er, let me also say that, having go tten over that hurdle, we have to start looking at some of the benefits. And, Mr. Speaker, I had the occasion to go down to St. George’s and see the Endeavour Bermuda House of Assembly Programme …
The Speaker The Speaker It is a yield, Member. Minister, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of order. The Honourable Member is certainly misleading the House. And I will repeat once again, because the Honourable Member does not always listen when she sits …
The Speaker The Speaker Just talk to the Chair, just talk to the Chair. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. The Honourable Member . . . I did say during my speech, Mr. Speaker, I declared my interest and said, Yes, we had worked up there, as well. The record will show that, …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin I apologise because I missed that point. Because I did not hear him say that. And if he did, then I apologise. I withdraw my comment.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Mr. Speaker, but let me say that people did get significant benefits. But by the Honourable Member’s having equipment there, working, to which he says he declared his interest, it means that his staff woul d have been able to get paid for the work that they were doing, and …
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin That was a good thing. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Maybe, I do not know. [Inaudible interjections]
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin And the Honour able Member has indicated, you know, he bid on it, but no pro bono. So, you know, certain things were given to people with pro bono, because, obviously, to the extent that we are able to minimise the costs of hos ting the event, it was going …
The Speaker The Speaker You have got four minutes.
Mrs. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin Thank you. [The Tall Ships event] made it something sp ecial for the country, Mr. Speaker. So, when you p ut all of those things together, while it was not the now - Government who found the event, it is not the now - Government who were able to pull …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I want to start out by thanking my honourable colleagues for their presentations up to this …
The Speaker The Speaker All right — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —so sure the Honourable Member does drink the milk!
The Speaker The Speaker All right, all right! [ Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am not so sure he does! He would be much healthier. [ Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker All right, all right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But I raise this point specifically, Mr. Speaker, because it is a business dec ision based on the quality and the value of service you get.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, so I do not play favourites in that . . . the company does not play favourites in that. Fair and square he won the bid. So, if Dunkley’s would benefit, Island Construction would benefit. And that is how the America’s Cup worked. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, that is what he said.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. You can come back . . . continue on, Member. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, now that is a good point. But a silver bullet for Bermuda allowed us to continue to move forward and build something. But we never said it is the America’s Cup or …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Call a friend. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I do not call a friend. It would be difficult if I had to call somebody, if I had to call the Honourable Member Mr. De Silva. But, Mr. Speaker . . . and so tonight I want to come here and talk …
The Speaker The Speaker Just talk . . . just talk to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, I am talking to you,
Mr. Speaker . The Speaker Just talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But I want the l istening public to understand just how childish it is, Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —because, you know, that interpolation is up to him to decide if I have read it, and the people of Bermuda can decide after listening to me speak as well, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, now that …
The Speaker The Speaker What is your point of order, Minister? 814 1 December 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT O F ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. They did overspend by about $50 million. We did not castigate them over that. …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. Continue on, Member. Continue on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: One week to the next he will change his numbers, Mr. Speaker . I know he is not the accountant down at Island Construction, I can tell you that. Mr. Speaker, so not only did it meet the bud …
The Speaker The Speaker Actually, actually , I am going to hold you now because I called one of the Members on this side when one of the Members on this side made reference to one of your Members who left the Chamber, I stopped him. I am going to stop you on that, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will have to guide myself accordingly because there are some comments I wanted to make, and I do not like talking about a Member when they are not in the Chamber unless they are listening.
The Speaker The Speaker He may have his radio on, but we are not going to make reference to him. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I hope so, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Because everybody leaves this Chamber at different times. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is true. That is true. The Speake r: Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And, you know, we listen in the back room. Sometimes we pack up our bags and listen in the back room, too.
The Speaker The Speaker You understand that, but the liste ning audience may not understand that when you make a comment that somebody is not in the Chamber. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker So, that is why I am not letting Members go down that road. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, Mr. Speaker, we were successful in hosting the event for the same reasons that the event was a success. And it is interesting that you win a bid like this . . . and it was very competitive, because I think we started …
Speaker The Speaker Craig Christensen the President and CEO of Morgan’s Point, Ltd., said that 7“many of the superyacht owners that we spoke to over America’s Cup,” and I quote, “have never been to Bermuda before in their yachts.” That is amazing. A guy owns a $50 million yacht and he has never …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No other Member? Dr. Gibbons, would you like to close out?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons It is a take note motion, Mr. Speaker, I am not sure I am allowed—
The Speaker The Speaker That is right, that is right, that is right. Ho n. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: But I am happy to pr oceed.
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no; no, no, no. That is fine. I am going to bring this to a close. We are not going to extend this any longer. [ The House took note of the Economic, Environmental and Social Impact of the 35th America’s Cup on Bermuda and the foundation for …
The Speaker The Speaker And that is the last Order for today and we will now go to the third readings for the matters done earlier today by Minister Wilson. Minister Wilson, would you lik e to do your third reading? SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Acting Premier, I recognise you.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Probably my last off icial act in that capacity, Mr. Speaker . [Laughter] ADJOURNMENT
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I move that the House adjourn until next week Friday. Th e Speaker: Does any Member wish to speak to that? No Member wishes to speak to that? You were a little slow that time. We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 4. Honourable Member, is this your maiden speech? …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Ho nourable Member . Does any other Member wish to speak to this motion to adjourn? No other Member wishes to speak. We now stand adjourned until Friday next, December 8 th at 10:00 am. [Gavel] [At 8:4 3 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, …
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