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November 17, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Nov 17, 2017
Session 2017/2018
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354 speeches from 21 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from November the 10th have been received. Are there any objections or any amendments? No objections, no amendments. The Minutes are confirmed. [Minutes of 10 November 2017 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR [No Messages from the Governor] The Clerk: Announcements by the Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. The Clerk: Yes, there are.
The Speaker The Speaker Sorry. I am looking at Messages from the Governor. We skipped one; you see? The Clerk: Oh, I am sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker No problem, dear. [Inaudible interjections] ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker There is one announcement from my Chair. I have received notice from two Members that they will be absent today. The Honourable Member, Mr. Weeks, and the Honourable Member, Mr. Smith (Ben Smith) have both indicated that they will be absent today. MESSAGE S FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we have a paper this morning from the Minister of Education. And I believe the Mi nister of Works is going to do it in his stead? BERMUDA COLLEGE ANNUAL REPORT 2016/17
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, Mr. Speaker; good morning. On behalf of the Honourable D. V. S. Rabain, the Minister of Education and Workforce Develo pment, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Bermuda College Annual Report 2016/17.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker I believe we have nine Statements t oday. Premier, would you like to lead off the Stat ements this morning? I believe you have one.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons We do not have a copy of the Statement.
The Speaker The Speaker Just h old on one second. Have [copies of] the Premier’s Statement been circulated?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, we do not.
The Speaker The Speaker It is being circulated now? [Inaudible interjections and pause] 570 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Ministers, just a reminder, part of why we are going through this little hiccup this morning is that if things do not arrive to this office on time …
The Speaker The Speaker Do all Members have the Premier’s Statement ? Premier , you can begin while the others are being circulated. BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and thank you. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to advise Honour able Members of the establishment of the Bermuda Infrastructure …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. The next Statement that will be read will be . . . I was going to go to Minister Wilson; I do not see Minister Wilson. I am going to go to—Minister De Silva, are you ready to read your Statement? We will take Mini ster …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I will now call on Minister Wilson. Minister Wi lson, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Shall I proceed, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES AND NURSING HOMES AMENDMENT BILL 2017 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. I am very pleased that today I will be tabling the Residential Care Homes and Nursing Homes Amendment Bill 2017 . Mr. Speaker, this Government is keenly aware …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I understand you have a further Statement. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: That is correct.
The Speaker The Speaker You can continue with that one. CHILD CARE STANDARDS FOR BERMUDA Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speak er. Mr. Speaker and Honourable Members, today I stand before this Honourable House to provide an update on the development of Child Care Standards for Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, I know that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Statement that I am going to recognise is that from the Minister Caines. Minister Caines, you have the floor. REDUCING GANG VIOLENCE IN BERMUDA — AN UPDATE Hon. Wayne Caines: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this G overnment promised the people of Bermuda that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Minister whom I will recognise for his Statement is the Honourable Minister Simmons. Minister Simmons, you have the floor. Hon. Ja mahl S. Simmons: Thank you, and good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. CHICOS CONFERENCE 2017 Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Today, I rise before this Honourable House to report on the Caribbean Hotel Investment Conference and Operations Summit , better known as CHICOS, which was held here in Bermuda, on November 9th and 10th, at the Fairmont Hamilton Princess. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The next Minister we will recognise is the Honourable Minister for Education. Minister Rabain, you have the floor. BERMUDA COLLEGE ANNUAL REPORT 2016/17 Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. Mr. Speaker, this morning I am pleased to lay before the House …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I believe there is a second Statement? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Minister. THE APPLIED TECHNOLOGY CERTIFICATE PROGRAMME AT THE BERMUDA COLLEGE Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning to inform the Members of this Honourable House and the listening audience about the Applied Technology Certificate Programme that is currently being offered at the Bermuda College …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The final Statement we have this morning is the Statement from Minister Brown. Minister Brown, you have the floor. UPDATE ON THE WATERFRONT PROJECT Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to provide this House with an update …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. That brings to an end the Statements by Mi nisters and Junior Ministers. We now move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Members, we are now on the Question Period. As a reminder, we have an hour, 60 minutes, for this. It is now 11:12. The first Statement that Members have indicated that they would like to ask questions about is that of the Premier. The first Member we wil l reco …
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister of F inance could indicate to us if he was aware that the previous disagreement was not related to the concept of insurance or reinsurance companies’ investing in Bermuda, but rather the size of the management fee that was …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou, Member. Minister you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am going to just refer the Honourable Shadow Minister of Finance to my Statement, which reads as follows: “Mr. Speaker, the former Minister of Finance did not support this fund, as there was a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary?
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Member. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherd en I wonder if the Minister of Finance could indicate whether he was aware that the disagreement was not relative to the payment of the fund, but the fact that the amount of the management fee was not changed when the size of the fund did not come up to t …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I cannot speak to events [that] happened inside of the One Bermuda Alliance Cabinet, Parliament or former items. What I can state is that the fund under the former Gover nment did not happen. We recognise that this is an …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or a new question?
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. Continue.
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden The Minister did not indicate that he had any consultation with the former Government or the [former] Minister of Finance, so, presumably . . . Was the Minister then not aware that the amount of the fee that was going to be paid as a minimum is the same amount …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. 582 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Bur t: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do not consult with Members of the former Government. We believe that there was a permanent civil service when we came …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? No. You used your two su pplementaries. New question?
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden New question.
The Speaker The Speaker New question. Yes, Member, continue. QUESTION 2 : BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Thank you. Mr. Speaker, if the Finance Minister could clarify the fact that . . . everyone agrees that we want to have inward investment into Bermuda. Therefore, it is not a question of whether anyone supports this. It is a question of whether Bermuda is paying more than it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Premier. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, it d oes not matter how many times the Honourable Shadow Minister of Finance repeats the question; I will try to make it clear for her again and for the listening public. The fact is, in case she missed …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Thank you. Mr. Premier. Are there supplementaries? No supplementaries, no questions. There are other Members, Mr. Premier, who have questions on that Statement. The other Member whom I will recognise at this moment is the Honour able Member from constituency 8. Honourable Member Simons, Cole Simons, you have the floor. …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Premier, you indicated in your speech that you would like to have some of the capital that exists in international markets here in Bermuda invested in this fund. Can you tell me whether you have had di scussions with ABIC [Association of Bermuda Intern ational Companies] …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I will tell you is that the idea came from the board member s of ABIR themselves. So that is where the origination of this idea came from. This has been solicited inside of the Government. The Cabinet has approved it. And now that it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary or new question? Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. N. H. Cole Simons: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Member. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Can you list the names of those companies that agreed in principle to this initi ative?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will have to get back to the Minister about that particular Statement and the names of the companies —or that particular Member concerning the names of the companies.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. QUESTION 2 : BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons I note that you have a minimum target of $100 million. Have the managers given an indication on how long it will take to, basically, raise that $100 million? I know it is difficult, but did they give you some type of timeline in which we can expect to have …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have a specific timeline at this point in time. What I can state is that two weeks ago I had a discussion with the principal of this, the person who was …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons If the $100 [million] minimum is not met, let us say withi n a year, will this initiative collapse?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Mr. Speaker, no. The initiative will not collapse if the $100 million minimum is n ot met. But what we will state very clearly is that we expect it to be met, because we know that our intern ational partners will work with us. We are looking to develop Bermuda’s …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary?
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary from the Honourable Member from constituency 19. The Honourable Member Atherden, you have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Supplementary. Mr. Speaker, if the Minister could indicate, in response to the question from my colleague, that in terms of supporting, I think everybody agrees to the support. But if the Minister is aware, through his tec hnical officers, that the original concept was $250 mi llion and now the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Mr. Speaker, I do not want to sound like the former person who held this position of Minister of Finance. But I will take a little time to learnup the Members oppos ite. And the fact of the matter is that even if it is $20 million or $50 million …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary? The Honourable Member from constituency 8, Honourable Member Simons, you have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons In regard to the appointment of the manager, did you put this appointment out to a tender process?
The Speaker The Speaker That is not a supplementary to the question that was asked. Would you like to ask a new question? Because you still have one new question left.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Okay. Well, then the question is—
The Speaker The Speaker That is y our third question. Your third question, then. QUESTION 3 : BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons When we were soliciting managers for this fund, did the Government put this out to a tender process? And if they did, can they pr ovide more details on the applicants?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Mr. Premier? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, to the best of my knowledge, I do not know if the persons who were originating the fund put it out to RFP [request for pr oposal]. It should be noted that this is not a government fund; it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier, there are still other Members who have questions on this Statement. The other Member whom I recognise now is the Member from constit uency 22. Honourable Member Gibbons, you . . . okay. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker No problem. Madam Opposition Leader, you indicated that you had a question. Would you like to exercise your question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank you,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Go right ahead. QUESTION 1 : BERMUDA INFRASTRUCTURE FUND Hon. Patricia J. Gord on-Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, the Premier in his Statement indicated that the fund is going to be an investment. I am just wondering whether the Premier can share whether there has been any determination as to the expected …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. On the equity portion of the fund, I think the estimate that the fund will be looking to target on a return on equit y basis is 10 per cent.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary? No further questions? The next Statement that Members have ind icated that they have a question on is for the Honour able Minister of Health. Minister Wilson, you have a question in regard to your first Statement on residential care. And the Honourable Member from …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good morning, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister of Health is, There is a reference to improving the quality of rest homes. Bermuda House of Assembly And I am just wondering whether accreditation, formal accreditation, is going to be introduced.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I do not want to anticipate debate; however, there is a licensing process. And as was indicated previously, this Bill that will be tabled shortly deals specifically with certain types of regulations and powers to ensure that the administrators …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: And it is anticipated that there will be a phase 2 and a phase 3. So, this is the begi nning of a series of amendments to this particular legi slation, to the regulations, as well as other things, to further augment the safety and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further questions. The next Statement on which there is an indication of questions [for] the Mi nister, actually, is for your second Statement. And that is from the Honourable Member from constituency 8. Honourable Member Simons, do you still wish to ask your question? This is …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Minister, can you differentiate the difference between day care and preschool?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. I think, if I understand the question right, this Statement deals specifically with child care standards for the home care providers, which are the ones under the legislation that allows for a person to have up to three children; and then …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Just supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons So, this does not apply to preschools?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you. It does apply to pr eschools. Day care centres, sometimes people refer to as “preschools. ” It is just a matter of semantics. But it is the age normally between three and five, before the child starts full- time formal education.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nursery schools. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, nursery schools. Some people refer to it as day school. So this refer s to all institutions, anybody who is providing child care services from the age of zero to five, or until they start formal education. Because some children start it at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary; go ahead, Member.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons How do you address the day care centres for people, like a senior who has three or four young people who are babysitting services and not really providing stimulation for the youn g people? So, they are just —I am going to take care of your child while you are …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. New question?
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons New question.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Member. QUESTION 2 : UPDATE ON DEVELOPMENT OF CHILD CARE STANDARDS FOR BERMUDA
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Minister, can you confirm whether or not a curriculum for preschools will be i ncluded in these standards? And the curriculum would cover behavioural skills, developmental skills, ac ademic foundation skills, and social skills.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, these particular child care standards again address, more importantly, the issues of health and safety as they relate to the standards that are internati onally adopted for ensuring that our children are protected and safe …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further questions? Good. The next Stat ement that we have Members indicating that they have questions [about] is the Statement from Minister De Silva in reference to Financial Assistance. The first question we have is from the Opposition Leader. Member, would you like to ask your …
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker You have the floor, Madam. QUESTION 1: FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE REFORM GROUP Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, the Minister, o n page 3 of his Statement, referred to the options of reducing the number of persons who are dependent on financial assistance. I just wondered whether there would be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, yes, they will. In fact, the last name on the list of people on the group, Judy Lowe- Teart, actually works for Workforce Development.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or new question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. The question was, the Bermuda Economic Development Corpor ation, not the Department of Workforce Development. So, I just want to make sure that we were not confusing the two. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, they will.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any further question, Member? No. Minister, there is an additional Member who has a question for you on that same topic, on that same Statement. The Honourable Member from constituency 21, does he still wish to ask his question? I do not see him in his seat. …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly Can the Minister inform the Members of this Honourable House, what has happened to those members who were appointed under the OBA?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Wayne C aines: I ask the Member to be clearer with that question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Member, the Minister is asking for clar ification. Can you provide some clarification?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. I just noticed that . . . My understanding was that ther e was a Chae Powell who was brought on under the OBA. Am I correct in that understanding about Mr. Chae Powell?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, there was, under the OBA Government, a Mr. Chae Powell who was hired to work within that unit, the Gang Violence Unit. He is still employed. He is responsible for the Gang Violence Intervention and Team StreetSafe. He operates within the Mini …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary or a new question?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott This is a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Just for clarification, are there any individuals, or two people, who are doing the same job within this programme?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker, there are two people. Both have been appointed as consultants, and both have clear and distinct roles within the Mini stry. So, Pastor Bean is the Gang Violence Reduction Specialist. He is responsible for the Inter -Agency Gang Task Force, MOMs, the school’s intervention …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. No further questions? No further questions? The other Member who has indicated that she has questions for you is actually the Opposition Lea der. Opposition Leader, would you like to put your question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank you,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Go right ahead. QUESTION 1: REDUCING GANG VIOLENCE IN BERMUDA —AN UPDATE Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, on page 4 of the Minister’s Statement, in respect of the group, in their recent meeting reviewing all homicide and nonfatal shooting incidents, I wonder if the Mini ster could advise …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: It is a very good question. They looked at specif ic instances along that line. So, you can have a stabbing and it not be gang related. So, what they did was they took all of the shootings from 2009 to 2017 which were …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mi nister. Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, a suppl ementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARY 588 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just for clarify, are we suggesting that there were no gang- related sta bbings between January of 2009 and January of 2016? I am just trying to understand the thought process in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Wayne Caines: Again, I cannot speak as to why the specialists of John Jay University used th is speci fic modality. But they assembled a team. They asked them over three days. They looked at all of the shootings. And for whatever reason …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Any further question? No further question. The next Statement which Members have indicated that they have questions for is [that of] the Minister of Education. Minister, there are questions on your second Statement in reference to the Applied Technology Programme. And the question is from the Hon …
The Speaker The Speaker You have the floor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 1: THE APPLIED TECHNOLOGY CERTIFICATE PROGRAMME AT THE BERMUDA COLLEGE
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons In the second paragraph, the Minister says, “The programme is designed to help prepare our public senior school students from the CedarBridge [Academy] and the Berkeley Institute . . .” Mr. Speaker, from my time as the Minister of E ducation, I became blatantly aware that the Department of Education …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to get back to the Shadow Minister on that point. I do not believe that private schools are eligible for these programmes. But I would have to check and see if home …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or second question? Go ahead. QUESTION 2 : THE APPLIED TECHNOLOGY CERTIFICATE PROGRAMME AT THE BERMUDA COLLEGE
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Second question. Upon completion of the programme, will the graduates have an international designation like City and Guilds that they can use should they decide to move and work overseas?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Diallo V . S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that the Applied Technology Certificate Programme is an institute of Bermuda College and Bermuda, as well. As the former Minister would know, the City and Guilds examination is an international examination. And that is why …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Thank you. No further questions. The last Statement for which there is indic ation from Members that they have questions on is the Statement of Minister Brown. Minister Brown, we have had three Members who have indicated that they have questions for you. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker The first is from the Honourable Member from constituency 24. Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor. QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON THE WATERFRONT PROJECT
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On page 3, the Honourable Minister said that there was “a large portion of these funds [that were] B ermuda House of Assembly . . . spent on luxury items . . .” Can he explain to us what he meant by “luxury items”?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the luxury items were two properties in the United Kingdom, an engagement ring, and an Aston Martin. They were expended from funds directed to the account of Mr. McKellar, who was the sole Director and sold shareholder …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or further question?
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Actually, Mr. Speaker, point of order on that. POINT OF ORDER
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I do not recall that the [former] Government allowed the funds to be trans-ferred. I think it was the Corporation of Hamilton, in the form of the mayor and the business manager, who allowed those funds to be transferred out of that par-ticular escrow account.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: May I just respond to that, I guess it was a point of clarification the Honourable Member was intending to do. I am just going to read, with your indulgence, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Walton Brown: [I’m going to] read from a Statement in 2013 from Minister Fahy regarding the approval to allow the Corporation to use the car park in Par la Ville as collateral for private development. And I quote from the former Minister: “It is intended that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minist er.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, point of order. The Speaker: Point of order or . . . POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. It is a point of order, actually, yes. I think the Honourable Member is uni ntentionally misleading the House. Because the release of the funds from the escrow account, which was es-sentially required under the guarantee, had no per-mission from the Government to do so. That was the mayor …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I think his Statement gave the role that the then- Minister played in it, the piece that he just read out. It spoke to what the Minister’s role was at that time, that particular Minister. Okay?
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or question? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. We recognise the Honourable Deputy Speaker. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor. SUPPLEMENTARY Ho n. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker, to the Minister. Minister, on whose authority did the Mayor of Hamilton, Outerbridge, and the Secretary, Benevides, get permission to sign the $18 million loan?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Honourable Member. As I r elated i n my previous statement, i t was quite clearly the au thority of t he previous G overnment, the OBA Government, under the authority of Minister Fahy.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? A supplementary from the Honourable Opposition Leader. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, I have a supplementary to that response. And that is, in signing the authority, as the Minister just read in the Stat ement that was released at the time, that ther e would …
The Speaker The Speaker Can you put that in a question now? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. So now my question . . . I just needed to preface. My question to the Minister is, the release of the funds, would he not acknowledge that that was ultra vires the authority given that, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, just for the sake of clarity, prior to the former Government’s changing the legislation, the Corporation of Hamilton had no authority to borrow money to that extent. So the former Government provided the legal authority for the Corpor ation to borrow those …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You will get used to that. Hon. Walton Brown: This is Minister Fahy at the time speaking—
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Continue on. Hon. Walton Brown: “It is intended that the guarantee is subject to very specific criteria and the Corpor ation of Hamilton will be required” —required by the Bermuda Government —“will be required to conduct thorough due diligence, to the satisfaction of the Ber-muda Government . . .” …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary from the Deputy. Deputy Speaker, continue on. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, was the contractor who signed the $18 million vetted by la wyers representing the Corporation before the Mayor Outerbridge and the Secretary Benevides, left Berm uda to go to the UK to sign?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Walton Br own: Thank you, Honourable Member. I am not in the position to answer that question about sequence. What I do know is that whatever was engaged in had to have had the authority and the ap-proval of the Bermuda Government.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Another supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Your second supplementary. Yes? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes. Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, ah, ah, ah! Ministers! No, no, no, no. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Was there any legal advice present given to the Mayor Outer bridge and the Secr etary Benevides, at the signing of this agre ement in the UK?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not in a position to answer that question. But I would certainly hope that it was signed with legal advice.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of clarification.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Hon. Trevor G. M oniz: It is a point of clarification, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 9. Yes, Honourable Member, go ahead. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think Members are getting c …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: So, we are getting mixed up between two different things. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Minister, there were other Members who have indicated that they had questions. Madam Opposition Leader, did you still wish to ask your question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do, Mr. Speak er; thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, then. QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON THE WATERFRONT PROJECT Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. On page 2 of the Minister’s Statement, the Minister indicated that, since this time, Mr. MacLean has not participated in the arbitration process and has not responded to efforts by the Government to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the arbitration, the matter was before the courts yesterday. And the courts have ruled that t he arbitration has now come to an end.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary. The Speaker: Supplementary? Continue. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Is the Minister saying that the Government has no financial liability in respect of that arbitration agreement?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Well, Mr. Speaker, if the arbitr ation matter has come to an end, then clearly . . . sorry. The courts have terminated the arbitration proc eedings (sorry), to be perfectly clear. The courts terminated the arbitration proceedings. So, they did not come to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or new question? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: New question.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I think . . . Did you have a supplementary? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I am sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19 for a supplementary. Honourable Member, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden A supplementary. Is the Minister at liberty to indicate what was the application that was made by the Bermuda Government that caused the arbitration to be ended?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, as I said in my Statement, there was no response for at least a seven-month period through the arbitration mat ter. And so, a court hearing was held yesterday to bring arb itration proceedings to an end precisely because of the nonparticipation …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? 592 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley, supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in light of what was not said in the Statement, would n’t the Minister think it appropr iate to report on the court proceedings of …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Well, Mr. Speaker, that is a rh etorical question.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No supplementary? I move on to the . . .
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden I have a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable Member from consti tuency 19, ask your supplementary. This is your second supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Yes, right. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister able to indi cate what the Government’s course of action would be now that the arbitration has been terminated by the courts, in terms of their ability to try and reclaim some of this money which went missing?
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In terms of the funds that the Honourable Member has just spoken of having gone missing, that is a matter before the courts. And I am not going to speak to a matter that still has court proceedings pending.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. No supplementaries? New question. Deputy Speaker, you have the floor to ask your new question. QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON THE WATERFRONT PROJECT Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister make the contract available, outlining the terms on how the monies were …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: I believe what the Honourable Member is asking is, the $18 million loan, how the $18 million was actually disbursed. Is that the question? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No. The question is, would the Minister make available the contract outli ning the terms of how …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? Deputy? No. Minister, one other Member indicated that he had a question for you, and that is . . . Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I only asked one question.
The Speaker The Speaker You asked one question; yes, you did. Would you like to exercise your second question? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker We recognise the Honourable Oppos ition Leader on her second question. QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON THE WATERFRONT PROJECT Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the final page of the Mini ster’s Statement, in the final paragraph, he indicated that the “Government stands ready to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue on, Member. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Mr. Speaker, in light of what has been publicly stated in terms, I guess, of interviews with Mr. Mac-Lean that have ended up in the public domain, which actually indicated that the Minister had arranged an intervention to try to …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, actually, you made your reference to a social media story, in my words. And that social media comment was not contained within his Statement today. So, if you are addressing it around the social media comment, then it falls outside of his Statement. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Let …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary, second supplementary? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Was there involvement with the Honourable Member prior to becoming a Minister in that same matter? The Speaker: Minister. Hon. Walton Brown: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was not involved in any dialogue or any sort of negotiation with Mr. MacLean …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Okay. Any further question? No third question. Okay. One other Member, Minister, indicated that he had a question for you. That was the Member from constituency 10. Do you will wish to put your question? No? Okay. Well, Members, that brings us to the concl usion of our …
The Speaker The Speaker I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 24. The Honourable Member Scott, you have the floor.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on this occasion to just celebrate what happens when the colours black and white come t ogether on a football field under the name of the PHC Zebras, who are the Dudley Eve Champions and the most decorated football club in Bermuda, Mr. Speak-er! …
The Speaker The Speaker That is what made it lovely; it was in Somerset, see?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —where most of the winning takes place and most of the trophies stay, regardless of the sport. So, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to take my whole three minutes to thank every member of the PHC, Pembroke–Hamilton Zebras, for their patron-age, their patience, and their hard work to make …
The Speaker The Speaker I could ring the bell now, i f you wish. [Laughter] 594 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: But, no, in all seriousness, they have worked hard. We should have been champions last year. It was mainly goal difference, and one unfortunate …
The Speaker The Speaker I now recogni se the Honourable Member from constituency 2. The Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. S wan Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I would like for a letter of congratulations be sent to St. George’s Cricket Club celebrating 125 years as an establishment in this country. And I associate the Honourable Member from constituency 1, and the Honourable Member from constituency 3, and the Honourable Member from constituency 19— all St. George’s …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And the young people that were there, and well outfitted, and enjoying themselves and appreciating the celebration indeed. On a sombre note, I would like a letter of condolence sent to the family of the late Harreld Kirkpatrick. A very dear friend and mentor of mine, a dear friend to …
The Speaker The Speaker Somebody needs to turn their device off! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Because if . . . and while I am speaking about St. George’s Cricket Club, if I go back, Mr. Speaker, on these last few minutes I just want to—
The Speaker The Speaker [You have] a couple of seconds, you are running down.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —congratulate PHC along with the Honourable Member because St. George’s and PHC have a long relationship in which I was able to share very recently. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. [Timer beeps]
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Opposition Leader. Honour able Member, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on a sombre note I would ask that this Honourable House send condolences to the family of the late Winnie …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: —were Maria Marsh and Michelle Seymour -Smith. [Timer beeps]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26, the Honourable Member Tyrrell. You have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon to all.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Member.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, I would ask that a letter of congratulations be sent to Mr. James Wal-dron- Smith who was a part of the graduation exercise very recently at C.A.R.E. Learning Centre. Mr. Smith was also the valedictorian. To show you the grit of this young person, he had recently been …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 3. Honourable Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Lovitta F. Foggo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, again, I would like to be associated with the congratulatory remarks for St. George’s Cricket Club’s gala event. In fact, that …
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and the listening audience. I rise today because I too would like to give an additional congratulatory note to the St. George’s Cricket Club for their 125 and not out gala — a Blue Tie Affair. I would like to associate my collea gue, Mr. Famous, …
Mrs. Renee Ming Well known to that person from constituency 3. Also, Calvin “Caledonia” Smith. They were honoured for the things that they brought either to the sport or to the club, and definitely in terms of youth development at the club. I also would like to send a congratulatory note, Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 19, the Honourable Member Atherden. You have the floor.
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all, I would like to be associated with the congratulations that are going to be sent to the two IWF Leader Fellows because it is very important for us to recognise . . . Maria Marsh was the human resource partner at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I recognise the Honourable Minister Simmons. Honourable Minister from constituency 33. You have the floor. Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today on a bittersw eet congratulatory message because I would like to extend congratulations to Mr. Charles Jeffers II on …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you know, some people see the light. [Laughter] Hon. Jamahl S. Simmons: Well, we . . . yes. But I think that, you know, she should be recognised f or her leadership as not just a woman, but a person who has continued to be tied to the community …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 11. Honourable Member Famous, you have the floor.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I want to associate myself with St. George’s Cricket Club because every year I lose money and take a lot of licks on social media. Every year lately. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Every year was right. You can stay there.
Mr. Christopher Famous —every year since 2012.
The Speaker The Speaker And continuing.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, as there was a theme about women in politics, I just want to take some time to thank the women of the PLP. Although they are not reflected in numbers in the House, it is the women of the PLP why the House is how it is now. …
Mr. Christopher Famous Whether they be branch members, branch chairs, committee members, or just the people in the community, it is the women of the PLP why the PLP is the Government. I am quite sure, it may be similar in the OBA. I will defer that to [their] Honourable Leader. However, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. I now recognise the Honourable Minister. M inister Roban, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the congra tulatory remarks to Mr. Andy Burrows and the work he does with the BTA …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: As simple as that! A gala. And also Bishop Duncan who is a leader of that church, he and the whole church family deserve congratulations for what they are doing in their almost 100 years of existence in Bermuda. [Timer beeps] Hon. Walter H. Roban: …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 36, the Honourable Member Scott. You have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, this afternoon we will attend the homegoing service for a young 34year-old of your constituen cy, I believe, Mr. Speaker. Young Mendell Eugene Outerbridge of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. I now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 20. The Honourable Member Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very difficult to have to follow such sad remarks from the previous speaker, and I give my condolences. But I would like to congratulate the graduates of the CHIP programme. This is a health programme that has been managed and facilitated by nurse Beverley …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —the whole House is ass ociating with these congratulatory remarks. She has gone on, Nurse of the Year, has moved on to now create a programme which has been going on for 10 years now. It is all about healthy lifestyles, making healthy choices and she had almost . . …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. No further . . . okay, I recognise the Honour able Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise this afternoon to support the congratulations and also to add in congratulations to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. I recognise the Honourable Minister. Honourable Minister from constituency 13. [Minister] Rabain, you have the floor. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like for this Honourable House to send the usual letter of congratulations to Youth Parliament that opened on Wednesday. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —to come from everyone, those of us who were here on Wednesday to witness the opening of Youth Parliament and the robust de-bate that took place. It was a very interesting topic that was talked about, and that was about the separ ation of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, they did. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —for and against. Also, Mr. Speaker, I would like for congratul ations to be sent to the Dellwood Middle School M3 Drama Class for their performance at the Stop the Violence Event on Sunday, and their performance of “When Will Enough Be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier? Would you like to be recognised at this moment? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do move that we adjourn for lunch.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The House now stands adjourned for lunch. We will resume at 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:31 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, we are proceeding after lunch. I think we had just completed the Congratulat ory and/or Obituary Speeches. [Crosstalk] MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE 600 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker We have two Government Bills. I recognise the Minister of Health. In fact, both Bills are in your nam e, Minister. FIRST READINGS RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES AND NURSING HOMES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 HEALTH INSURANCE AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: That is correct. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker We have two Motions that are being tabled today. We have the first one. We recognise the Honourable Member Swan from constituency 2. JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE, REPORT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE EVENTS OF 2 DECEMBER 2016
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I give notice that I propose to move the following Motion at the next day of meeting: “WHEREAS at the gates of this House of A ssembly a show of democracy descended into a conflict between concerned citizens of Bermuda, and those …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. The next Motion is in the name of the Ho nourable Member Gibbons from constituency 22. I will just acknowledge that there has been discussion around the wording on this and the Ho nourable Member is going to amend or adjust the wor ding as read, rather …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you , Mr. Speaker . I was going to make that explanation, but you have done it for me. So, I will simply proceed. Mr. Speaker , I give notice that at the next day of meeting I propose to move the following Motion: “That this Honourable House take …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker We will now move on to the Orders of the Day and the understanding is that we are going to Bermuda House of Assembly do Order No. 1 today, and only number 1. And that Order is in the name of the Minister of Social Deve lopment and Sport. Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Minister. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I am pleased to lead the debate today on the Bill entitled the Public Holidays Amendment Act 2017. Some might say that this is the Michael Weeks’ Bill, Mr. Speaker , because, as you …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and good afternoon. And I thank the Honourable Mi nister for the presentation on the Public …
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We can always justify changing dates for holidays, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjection] 604 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Speak to the Chair. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The reasoning given to this one I do not believe is sufficient to change [it] because Bermuda Day is May 24th for a lot of people. Now, I know it has been talked about for some time and I have heard of surveys that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6. Honourable Member Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , the Honourable Member Michael Dunkley who just took his seat from constituency 11—
The Speaker The Speaker Ten. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —[constituency] 10, mentioned that it was not in the platform or in the Throne Speech. Mr. Speaker , the Government will bring many initiatives that probably were not in the Throne Speech or in any platform. That is just naturally how governments operate. They made …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , that is my point. They took a survey because at least the y wan ted to know what the public was thinking about, and the public, at least in their favour , what would you have said . . . what …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, Mr. Speaker , the Go vernment of the day has looked at it. And I know the pressure from the retail stores were on their backs, who they represent in general, they were on their backs because some of them spoke to me about …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Do you swim? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We just go swimming. The sun crosses the line and you jump overboard, at least in Hamilton Parish we do. All right? So it is not about . . . all of sudden it is the 24 th of May, let’s go swi …
The Speaker The Speaker I will take your point of order. Do you yield, Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I would declare [that] I never spoke to the Chamber of Commerce. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I did not say that he did. I …
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons So your argument is false. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, they said they do not want it because . . . and let me just talk about a certain affiliation with yourself Honourable Member [Dr.]. Gibbons. They do not want it, and you know who I am talking about.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No, I do not. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, you do.
Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons They did not talk to me about it. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, they did.
The Speaker The Speaker Gentlemen, gentlemen, the convers ation flows this way, not across the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So the Honourable Member has to be clear that there were pressures being put on them, whether it is the [Bermuda] Employers’ Council, whether it is the Ch amber of Commerce. The Chamber of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Opposition Leader. Madam Opposition Leader, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I just had to chuckle when the Honourable Member who just took his seat …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Madam. Any other Member? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 32. Honourable Member Simmons, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Simmons Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker , and thank you. Mr. Speaker , this issue as it relates to Berm uda Day or the 24 th of May holiday is a very serious matter in my humble opinion. And if I was a casual observer, not having followed politics for as long …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak to it? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 2. Honourable Member Swan, you have the floor.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan “The 24 th May is the Queen’s birthday. If we don’t get a holiday we will all run away.” And I think it is important because children who were born in the late ’50s and ’60s remember those chants and remember them well. In the late ’70s and, indeed, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Honourable Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Member , Ms. Jackson. Honourable Member Jackson, you have the floor.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I just want to touch on the cultural aspect of the 24 th of May, which is now Bermuda Day. I have to be honest with you, Mr. Speaker , I do not have any particular connection to the historical background. And I believe that …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members, Members!
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —is now being diluted, Mr. Speaker . It is all being diluted. So that history, that historical trail that . . . you know, the Member that just spoke got up loves to tell the story, give a sequential rendition of the historical path. Now there will not be anything …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —If we are going to have a parade—
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —if we are going to have a parade, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Members, Members.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —and we all know the parade goes into the early evening and after dark and people . . . I have been, I have been— [Inaudible interjections ]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I know. I am just saying, Mr. Speaker , that if we end up with a Friday holiday and our incidence of road traffic accidents, driving while under the influence, and any other kind of social deprivation takes place on that Friday, I just want this new Government to be …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —where we can do what we want, we can party, we can drink — [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members! [Inaudible interjection s]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —alcohol, and there is abs olutely no framework in place—
The Speaker The Speaker Members. Members, you will have your turn to respond. Members. Continue on.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson We will have people on their boats, they will be out on the water, and they are not going to have to go back into port early in the evening in order to prepare for the next day. There are going to be lots and lots of room for unsafe …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yield for a point of order. Your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker , how can a Member of this Honourable House stand up and insinuate that because a holiday is going to be on Fr iday they will have more …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And you do not want our children to listen to that.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker , I would also like to speak to the fact that because it becomes a long weekend there are a couple of things that may happen. One is that, again, culturally we may be diluting this holiday by more people taking the opportunity to travel. And so if …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And that can cause a level of frustration where— [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —when it is a floating day there are other opportunities that can be made to afford the weekend. So not having acces s to your funds could become a challenge. And I am just raising it, Mr. Speaker . Aside from the fact that no matter what you retail —whether …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Honourable Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I am going to choose to go down a different route than some of the previous contributors to this …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —change was already pr escribed. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Minister, Minister. Pay attention next time, see? Thank you. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Continue, Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . You can have a comment with that Honourable Member later about his behaviour. We have seen this before, Mr. Speaker , so it is extraordinary [to] hear such histrionics from certain quarters about what is being prescribed here today. …
The Speaker The Speaker Do not worry, Deputy. The record is clear on who has won more times. The record is di stinctly clear. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will stay very focused on you and—
The Speaker The Speaker Distinctly clear. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —not be swayed by the East. Mr. Speaker , so the decision was made m utually to have it that the Cup went . . . it changed each . . ., no matter what happened. Cup Match is still here. Anybody complaining?
The Speaker The Speaker Somerset is still winning. Hon. Walter H. Roban: We are still celebrating t hose two days.
The Speaker The Speaker Somerset is still winning. Hon. Walter H. Roban: We have a good time too, whether it is St. George’s or Somerset.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: So, there are many examples where tradition and customs have been modi fied to the betterment of the celebration and to the people upon whom it is a part of. And this very holiday has been exemplified in its own existence by such changes. We …
The Speaker The Speaker [It was] 1979. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —for the young people of this generation, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other Member wish to speak? ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Before I recognise the Honourable Member , I am going to just acknowledge in the Ga llery that we have one of our former Members, former …
The Speaker The Speaker I would just like to acknowledge her presence. [Public Holidays Amendment Act 2017, second reading, debate continuing.]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member from constitue ncy 19. Honourable Member Atherden, you have the floor.
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I want to make it absolutely clear from the outset that I do not believe that anybody on this side wants to say anything with respect to the 24th May holiday in terms of not believing that it is i mportant that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? Go quick, quick, quickly . . . I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1. Honourable Member Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and good afternoon listening audience. I thought that I would take some time to add something to this debate, seeing as I am a mommy and I have a daughter who marches on 24th of May, and has for the last three years. I have …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Renee Ming But on the 24 th, the Bermuda Day holiday that we celebrate, we happen to have a p arade to celebrate our uniqueness, our Bermudianism. And so what we are here today to put forth, Mr. Speaker , is relief. We have talked about it for many years. I know …
Mrs. Renee Ming —to throw my something onto this table today. But I think you understand and I am hoping that my colleagues and the listeners understand exactly where I was going with this. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak? No one else from the other side? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 7. Honourable Member Richards, you have the floor. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you once again, Premier, for enabling me …
The Speaker The Speaker Polls are a tricky thing . . . very tricky. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I do not rely on polls anymore.
The Speaker The Speaker You learned that on July 18th, right? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I learned a lot of things on July 18th, Mr. Speaker , and that was one of them. But in all seriousness, you know, I was not in the Chamber when the majority of the debate was going …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: We are going to have the parade; we are going to have the Gombeys; [and] now the Soca, you know, it is evolving. The holiday is not what it was 20 years ago. So as the holiday evolves, I believe that we have to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Minister, would you like to wrap us up? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I sure would, Mr. Speaker , thank you very much. Mr. Speaker , why are we here? Three years ago when MP Weeks brought this proposed change it was shut down by …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, wrap it up. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —we had another Honourable Member , MP Jackson, who really, I think, shocked everybody in this House. Probably shocked some of her own Members with her comments. And she was saying that this is going to make a big party, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One day. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: One day. And I am not even g oing to go down the street when she mentioned lawless evening. And with regard to her comment about people travelling, people are going to book trips, look at this example, Mr. Speaker . Suppose, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy? Deputy? Deputy, the Bill is being committed. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Oh, yes! [Inaudible interjections and laughter] [Pause] House in Committee at 4:02 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman ] COMMITTEE ON BILL PUBLIC HOLIDAYS AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The Chairman Chairman We are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill ent itled the Public Holidays Amendment Act 2017. Minister, you can take the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that we move clauses . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Carry on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Carry on? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay, Mr. Chairman, clause 1 is the citation. This Act, which amends the Public Holidays Act 1947, may be cited as the Public Holidays Amendment Act 2017. Clause 2 amends the Schedule. The Schedule to the …
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, will you now move? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move the Preamble.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, go ahead. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman But you have got to move the clauses, 1 and 2. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I move clauses 1 and 2.
The Chairman Chairman Any objection to the clauses being approved? There appear to be no objections. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 and 2 passed.] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I move that the Bill be r eported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman The Bill will be reported. Any objections? There appear to be none. [Motion carried: The Public Holidays Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Committee of t he whole House and passed without amendments.] House resumed at 4:04 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Bill being report ed to the House as printed? No objections. The Bill has been reported. Bermuda House of Assembly Members, that being the only item of the day that we were going to do today, I now recognise the Member — [Inaudible …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, the other orders are being carried over until a further sitting. And now we recognise the Minister. Do you want to do your third reading? SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , I move that Standing …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? No objections. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING PUBLIC HOLIDAYS AM ENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I now move that the Bill do pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. [Motion carried: The Public Holidays Amendment Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Now, all other items, as indicated, have been carried over. So, I recognise the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier? ADJOURNMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker , I move that we adjourn until next Friday.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak to that? I recognise the Honourable Minister Caines, who is on the floor. I do believe that this is Minister Caines’ maiden speech because thus far I think you have just spoken to your Statements or reports on your Ministry. So this is your …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you can since it is your maiden speech. Turn your microphone on. We would like to hear what you have got to say. MAIDEN SPEECH Hon. Wayne Caines: Definitely for my maiden speech. Mr. Speaker , it is an honour to be here this afternoon, and I count it …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we heard that. We got that. Hon. Wayne Caines: My mother’s position was very different. Being from Jamaica she said, Me come fe drink milk, noh fe count cows. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne Caines: My parents, from a very young age, instilled in us that we would have to take …
The Speaker The Speaker Well— Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker , that would not be the truth.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I read your book. I read your book. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne Caines: I was taught from a very young age that to whom much is given, much is required. Fast forwarding, when I returned from law school [there was] a former Minister of Tourism, the Honourable Da vid Allen …
The Speaker The Speaker Some of us still took a stance. Hon. Wayne Caines: So I decided that it was not the right time. In 2006, almost 10 years later, I was asked to serve as the Chief of Staff for the former Premier, the Honourable Dr. Ewart Brown. He also appointed me as …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, just to give you an idea, there are four minutes left. 624 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne Caines: Four minutes left? [Inaudible interjectio ns]
The Speaker The Speaker Four minutes. It is a 20- minute time period. Hon. Wayne Caines: Mr. Speaker , I believe that Bermuda is at a crossroads. We can stay on this road that is divided by class, by colour, by private school, by public school, and by black or b y white, by …
The Speaker The Speaker Two minutes . . . you have got two minutes. Hon. Wayne Caines: I decided to dedicate my life as a public servant because I love my country, because I cherish the Bermuda of today, and I believe in the Bermuda of tomorrow. Mr. Speaker , I cherish the potential …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to . . . I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 10. Honourable Member Dunkley, you have the floor. SUPPORT FOR NIKKI BASCOME Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , first let me thank the Honourable Member for …
The Speaker The Speaker He will get up, that is right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But as a community, if we are going to move forward, let us use this lesson in life that Nikki Bascome learned—to rally and support him and to do better when we talk about a victory and a defeat. …
The Speaker The Speaker Uplifting. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, uplifting, Mr. Speaker, and I hope every Member of this House and ev erybody who hears this conversation will reach out to the young man and say, My brother, you got up, you will fight again and you will win. We need to lift …
The Speaker The Speaker Any other Member wish to speak? I see no other Member rising. The House stands adjourned until Friday next, at 10:00 am, on the 24 th of November. [Gavel] [At 4:31 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 24 November 2017.] 626 17 November 2017 Official Hansard Report …
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