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May 12, 2025

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This was primarily a procedural session focused on budget presentations. The Minister of Works and Engineering presented the new City of Hamilton Plan 2025, which introduces more flexible planning rules and removes rigid building height limits in favor of context-based assessments. The Junior Minister then presented the Ministry of Justice's $57.7 million budget for the coming year, covering legal aid, court services, corrections, and various justice programs. Members also shared congratulations for local achievements and condolences for a St. George's community member.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date May 12, 2025
Session 2024/2025
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Speakers 16
Speeches 312

Key Topics

City of Hamilton Plan 2025 presented - new planning framework for development in HamiltonMinistry of Justice budget for 2025/26 presented, covering courts, legal aid, and correctionsCongratulations to local sports figures and community membersCondolences for community member Peggy Delpeche (Paynter)

Bills & Motions

City of Hamilton Plan 2025 - presented to the House for consideration and approval
Ministry of Justice budget estimates for 2025/26 - presented for committee review (Heads 87, 03, 04, 25, 74, and 75)

Notable Moments

Minister clarified that the new Hamilton Plan will not allow "30-storey skyscrapers" but uses smarter, location-based height controls
Legal Aid Office exceeded its goal of handling 75% of cases with in-house counsel, reaching 80%
Bermuda Football Association awards ceremony was highlighted, with congratulations to various local players and coaches

Debate Transcript

312 speeches from 16 speakers
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Deputy Speaker Disclaimer deputy speaker The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for informational purposes only. The printed version remains the official record. B ermuda House of Assembly BERMUDA HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY HANSARD 12 MAY 2025 10:0 3 AM Sitting Number 6 of the 20 25/2026 Session [ Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker [Good] m orning, M embers. We will have the prayer. PRAYERS [ Prayers read by Mr. Somner, Clerk ]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Members . [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 9 May 2025]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I trust everyone has had a chance to review them. Yes, minutes for May 9th. Thank you. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I just want to announce to the House that Member Bean, Member Dickinson and Deputy Premier De Silva have all sent their apologies. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are no messages coming from the Senate. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE CITY OF HAMILTON PLAN 2025 Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam [Deputy] S peaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the infor-mation of the H onourable House of Assembly the City of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker [There are none.] STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS CITY OF HAMILTON PLAN 2025 Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Madam [Deputy] Speaker. Madam [Deputy] Speaker , today I present ed to this H onourable House for its consideration and approval the City of Hamilton Plan 2025 —or simply, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, M inister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No Member indicated that they have questions, so there are no questions. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I recognise the Member from constituency 2. Member , you have three minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I know all too well, t hank you very much. Madam Deputy Speaker, I just rise this morning to offer congratulations to one of our own in this Chamber —the Sergeant -at-Arms, Mr. Arnold Allen, the founder and chief instructor of the Harto Dojo karate which was founded in 1982. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 1. Member Ming, you have the floor.
Mrs. Renee Ming Thank you. Good morning, [Madam Deputy] S peaker. First of all, I come on a sad note this morning giving thoughts and prayers to the family of Peggy Delpeche. For us in St. George's , that would be Peggy Paynter, Aunt Peggy Paynter—the nerve of me. She is no longer …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, M ember. Are there any other Members who wish to speak ? I recognise the Member from constituency 15. Member, you have the floor. Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker . I would just like to rise to my feet to give congratulations to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Just on time. [ Timer chimes]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any other Members who wish to speak? I recognise the Member from constituency 28. Member , you have the floor.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like to associate my comments with the Minister of Sport in regard to the BFA Awards on Saturday night. I had initially planned to attend, but in preparation for today's budget I was not able to make it. But I would like to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That brings us to Orders of the Day and that would be the resumption in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure f or 2025/26. I call on the Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. Good morning, Madam Deputy S peaker. Madam Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Premier . I did no t mean to exclude you. I call on the Member from constituency 24. Member. House in Committee at 10:24 am [ Mr. W. Lawrence Scott, Chairman] Bermu da House of Assembly COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 202 …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning Honourable Members . We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditures for the y ear 202 5/26. The heads that are going to be debated right now are Heads 87, 03, 04, 25, 74 and 75. I call on …
The Chairman Chairman Member —Junior Minister Lister , you now have the floor. MINISTRY OF [JUSTICE]
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Chair man. I move the following h eads : •87—M inistry of [Justice] Headquarters; •03 —Judicial Department; •04— Attorney General’s Chambers; •25—Department of Corrections; •74—Department of Court Services; and •75—Department of Public Prosecutions be now taken under consideration. It is my distinct honour to rise today on …
Mr. Dennis Lister III I will now present H ead 87 Ministry of Justice headquarters , found on pages B- 78 to B-82 of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure. The mission: T o uphold the rule of law , to ensure justice for all and promote a community where every in-dividual is …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The department under this Ministry's portfolios whose mandates directly entail gen-erating revenue is the Judicial D epartment. The Judicial Department's revenue stream is projected to yield a total of $4,811,000. This amounts to $423,000 or 10 per cent more than the 2024/ 25 original estimates. The observed increase is primarily …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, a total of $6,755,000 has been allocated to the Ministry of Jus-tice Headquarters, which represents a $952,000 or 16 per cent increase from the previous year and constitutes 12 per cent of the budget allocated for the Ministry as a whole . The adjustments will be reflected …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate 2024/ 25 of $542,000; estimate for 2025 /26: $1,322,000, an increase of $780,000. Percentage increase of 144 per cent. This Administration business unit provides for the adm inistrative and personnel costs associated with the daily operation of the M inistry Headquarters for which a total of $1,322,000 …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate for 2024 /25 [was] $1,867,000. The estimate for 2025/2 6 [is] $2,223,000 , an increase of $356,000 or 19 per cent. The Legal Aid Office ’s purpose is to ensure that legal advice and representation is readily availa-ble to those who need it most, and who, because …
Mr. Dennis Lister III For the fiscal year , Mr. Chairman, expenses occurred, e xcluding salaries , were as follows : • Legal fees for external counsel —$970,000 • Telephone expenses —$5,700 • No fees were paid out for consultants over the period under review • $13,800 was spent on board and committee fees …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, between the period of 1 April 2024 and 31 March 2025, the Legal Aid Office processed a total of 228 new applications —140 criminal matters, 56 civil matters and 32 matrimonial matters. Out of the 228 new application s for funding, 113 matters were approved, 92 were …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, external legal fees remain the largest area of expenditure for the Legal Aid Office, except for salaries, and continue to be challenging to accurately predict. Last year the legal fees paid to external counsel were higher than predicted for several reasons, including the following. There was an …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Training and development, along with succession planning are some of the most important objectives of the Legal Aid Office as a number of experienced barristers who are willing and able to represent L egal Aid clients will begin to decrease over the next five years . It is imperative that …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Parole Board, business unit 97050. The original 2024/ 25 estimate, zero. E stimate 2025/26, $120,000, an increase of $120,000, o r zero per cent. Mr. Chair man, the Parole Board, which has recently been transferred to the Ministry of Justice, has been allocated a budget of $120,000. The allocation under …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Treatment of Offenders Board, business unit 97060. T he original estimate 2024/25, zero dollars . Estimate for 2025/26, $98,000 an increase of $98,000, zero per cent . Mr. Chair man, the T reatment of O ffenders Board which has recently been transferred to the Ministry of Justice, has been allocated …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Justice Protection Programme, business unit 97070. The original estimate for 2024/ 25 [was] $275 ,000. The e stimate for 2025/ 26 [is] $320,000, an increase of $45,000 or 16 per cent. Mr. Chair man, the Justice Protection Programme has been allocated a budget of $320,000 for the fiscal year 2025/26, …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Financial Sanctions Implementation, business unit 97080. Original estimate for 2024 /25 [was] $353,000. Estimate for 2025/ 26 [is] $376,000, an increase of $23,000 or 7 per cent . Mr. Chair man, the Financial Sanctions Implementation Unit [FSIU] plays a critical role in upholding Bermuda's reputation as a cooperative jurisdiction with …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, the FSI U’s compromise of two posts , the head of the FSIU and one legal counsel. The FS IU team is responsible for • providing legal advice and t echnical support to the Ministry of Justice and carrying out functions delegated to the Minister from the …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Applications under the Russia (Sanctions) [(Overseas Territories) (Amendment) (No. 4) Order 2022] regime continues to be the prominent regime for which licence applications are submitted to the FS IU. In 2024/25, the Minister of Justice issued three general licences, two general licences for legal fees which were issued under the …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, the FS IU continues to ensure that sanctions web page of t he Government portal is updated within 24 hours of receiving updated notifications from the UK Government. These updates are required to notify the public of additions or de- listings to the various sanctions’ regimes in …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Law Reform Commission , business unit 97100. Original estimate for 2024/ 25 $164,000. Estimate for 2025/ 26, $ 171,000, an increase of $7, 000 or 4 per cent . Mr. Chair man, the Law Reform Commission has been allocated a budget disbursement of $171,000 for the fiscal year 2025/26. This …
The Chairman Chairman And while you take a break Junior Minister Lister , the Chair would like to recognise the Minister , the [Honourable] Attorney General who is in the Chambers. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chair man. The Ministry of Justice 2025/ 26 budget reflects more than arithmetic. It represents our shared commitment to fiscal responsibility and careful stewardship of public resources. Our dedicated public officers will continue to advance fair and equitable access to justice through legal services, policy and legislation …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate in 2024/ 25 [was] $1,625,000. The estimate for 2025/26 is 384 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly $2,125,000. This represents an increase of $500,000 or 31 per cent . The budget allocation for grants for fiscal year 2025/ 26 is found at page …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, in 2024/ 25 the FIA continues to enhance its capabilities through targeted training. Staff participated in virtual webinars and courses on topics including sanctions, corruption, digital assets, cryptocurrency and proliferation financing hosted by leading institutions such as the Association of Certified Anti -Money Laundering Specialists, the International …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The FIA contributed significantly to domestic and international financial intelligence efforts. Key achievements included • contributions to the national money laundering, terrorist financing, proliferation financing and legal persons and arrangements risk as-sessments ; • ongoing participation in national anti-money laundering committee, working groups and other c ross-agency initiatives ; • …
Mr. Dennis Lister III In 2024, the reporting entities continue to file suspicious activity reports and suspi-cious transaction reports to the F IA. This year, the agency received a total of 870 SAR and STR reports. Throughout 2024, the FIA conducted analysis and issued disclosures to local law enforcement competent authorities and overseas f …
The Chairman Chairman And just to use that as a segue , the Honourable Member , Junior Minister Lister has just finished presenting on H ead 87. He will be going on to Bermuda House of Assembly Head 3 under the Judicial Department. We do have in the Chamber the A ttorney General …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chair man. I am not yet moving with the next head. I will just give the subjective analysis of H ead 87. Subjective analysis
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chairman, the subjective analysis of current account estimates of the Ministry of Justice Headquarters 2025/26 is found on page B -80. I will highlight the material object code increases and decreases. Salaries decrease by $609,000 primarily due to salary adjustments offset by the transfer of eight positions to another …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chairman, the budget allocation for capital expenditure is found at page C -10, of the Estimates of R evenue and E xpenditure. The Ministry of Justice Headquarters has been allocated a total of $29,000 for fiscal year 2025 /26. This funding will be utilised to acquire new office furniture …
Mr. Dennis Lister III I will now move on to H ead 3, the Judicial Department, which can be found on pages B-83 to B -90 of the B udget Book. Mr. Chair man, the Judiciary is established by the Constitution as a separate and independent branch of government. Its task is to adjudicate …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The judicial system is comprised of three levels of court : the Magistrates ’ Court (consisting of Criminal, Civil and F amily Courts ), the Supreme Court ( consisting of C riminal , Civil and Commercial , Appellant, Family , Matrimonial and Probate jurisdictions ), and the Court of Appeal …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The capital expenditure estimates for 2025/26 are found on page C -10 of the Approved Estimates of R evenue Expenditure Budget Book. The Judicial Department has been allocated a total of $1 million for fiscal year 2025 /26 for the replacement of its outdated case management system, JEMS. With the …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The current account estimates for Head 3, the Judicial Department begin on page B - 84 of the Budget Book. A total of $10,334,000 has been allocated to Head 3 within the Ministry of Legal Affairs and Constitutional Reform. This amount represents a $783,000 or 8 per cent increase from …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, I am pleased to provide an analysis by business unit of the budget estimates for the Judicial Department for the fiscal year 2025 /26 compared to 2024 /25. The Supreme Court , 13000 Criminal Injuries Compensation
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimate for 2024 /25 [was] $208,000. Estimates for 2025 /26, zero dollars , a decrease of $208,000 or 100 [per cent] . This funding has now been allocated elsewhere within the Ministry and is no longer accounted for in the Judicial Department ’s cost centre. Supreme Court , 13010
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 20 24/25 [was] $1,024,000. Estimates for 2025/26 [is] $1,184,000, an increase of $160,000 or 16 per cent . This cost centre provides for the salaries and operational expenses for the administration of the Supreme Court Registry, for which there are 10 posts, including the assistant registr ar, …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate [for] 2024 /25 [was] $2,722,000. Estimates for 20 25/26 [is] $3,231,000, a n increase of $509,000, or 19 per cent . This c ost centre provides for the salaries and operational expenses for the courtrooms and chambers of the Supreme Court (Criminal , Civil and C ommercial …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimate for 2024 /25 [was] $472,000. E stimates for [2025/26] [is] $510,000 , an increase of $38,000, or 8 per cent . This cost centre provides salaries for the I nformation Technology Section. There are three posts : the IT manager, IT assistant and a data entry clerk. This …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates [for] 20 24/25 [was] $1,002,000. E stimates for 2025 /26 [is] $1,016,000, an increase of $ 14,000 or 1 per cent. This cost centre provides the sitting and retainer fees of the President of the Court of Appeal, five Justices of Appeal and the salaries of two posts …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 20 24/25 [was] $1,061,000. Estimates for [2025/26] [is] $1,087,000, an increase of $26,000 or 2 per cent . This cost centre provides funding for the S enior Magistrate, four Magistrates and Acting Appointments where necessary . The Magistrates ’ Court is presided over by the Worshipful Senior …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 20 24/25 [was] $261,000. Estimates for 2025 /26 [is] $2 73,000, an increase of $12,000 , or 5 per cent . This cost centre provides for the administrative arm of the Magistrates’ Court Civil Section . The Civil Section is overseen by the office manager, who has …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates [for] 20 24/25 [was] $511,000. Estimates for 2025 /26 [is] $531,000, an increase of $20,000 , or 4 per cent. This cost centre provides for the salaries and operational expenses for the Family and C hild Support Section of the Magistrates ’ Court. There are six posts including …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates [for 2024/25 was] $1,279,000, estimates for 20 25/26 [is] $1,330,000, an increase of $51,000 or 4 per cent . This cost centre provides for the salaries and operational expenses for the administration of the Magistrates ’ Court, for which there are six posts, including the court manager , …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 2024/25 [was] $464,000. Estimates for 2025 /26 [is] $595,000, an increase of $131,000 or 28 per cent . The Criminal/Traffic Records Sections falls under the remit of the office manager and is supervised by the records supervisor. There are two c ourt associates designated to this section …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimate for 2024 /25 [was] $547,000. Estimates for 202 5/26 [is] $577,000, an increase of $30,000 or 5 per cent. This cost centre provides for the salaries, service and execution of court papers inclusive of Civil, Family, Supreme Court and Foreign Service. There is one Head Bailiff, a Deputy …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, the revenue estimates for 2025/26 are found on page B -5 of the Approved Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure Budget Book. Revenues are projected at $4,811,000, or an increase of 11 per cent from 2024/25. Total revenue for 2024/25— original estimate for 202 4/25 [was] $4,329,000. Estimate …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Historically, fees payable to the Supreme Court Registry in respect of documents filed in new and active proceedings is a source of revenue that has not been recorded as the majority of these fees are paid by way of revenue stamps that counsel and litigants purchase through the A ccountant …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The Supreme Court Registry also processes applications submitted by local law firms to register their locally and overseas -based attorneys/associates to practice law. In 2024/25, the revenue received for overseas registered associate applications decreased from $36,000 collected in the prior year to $25,000. There was however a significant increase in …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Lastly, the Supreme Court Registry Probate Jurisdiction processes applications to probate the estates of deceased individuals. A tax assessment is made on the net estate value of a deceased estate. The net estate value is a calculation of the total value of the deceased gross estate less the value of …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The major components of revenue in the Magistrates’ Court are traffic, parking and criminal fines. The total amount recorded for traffic fines in 2024/25 was $1,646,772, a decrease from $1,841,077 in 2023/24. The total amount recorded for parking fines in 2024/25 was $461,450, a decrease from $643,250. The total amount …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The revenue received for civil fees in 2024/25 was $138,615, which is a significant increase when compared to the revenue received for civil fees in 2023/24 of $88,675. This increase in rev390 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly enue is largely attributed to the new fee …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chairman, in addition to the implementation of a new case management system, funding for which has been allocated in the upcoming fiscal year, the department has received support from the Attorney General to restructure the organisation by redefining now defunct positions. The most signifi-cant and anticipated change to the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you, Junior Minister. For those in the listening audience, we have just finished Head 3 under the Judicial review. We are now in our second hour of five hours for the Heads 87, 3, 4, 25, 74 and 75. Junior Minister, you have the floor. HEAD 4 —ATTORNEY …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will now begin the brief on Head 4, Attorney General's Chambers. Mr. Chairman, the mission statement, department objectives and current account estimates for the Attorney General's Chambers Head 4 begin on page B -91 of the Estimates Book. The Mission Statement
Mr. Dennis Lister III As legal advisors to Government, the Attorney General's Chambers is committed to provide high- quality legal advice and litigation services and to drafting sound legislation ever mindful of the need to protect the public interest and to safeguard and preserve the fundamental rights and free-doms enshrined in our Constitution. In …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate for 2024 /25 [was] $5,702,000. The estimate for 2025/26 is $7,052,000, an increase of $1,350,000 , or 24 per cent. A total of $7,052,000 has been allocated for Chambers. This represented an increase of $1,350,000, or 24 per cent from 2024/25. Mr. Chair man, the A ttorney …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 2024/ 25 [was] $435,000. Estimate s for 2025/ 26 [is] $444,000 an increase of $9,000, or 2 per cent . Administration provides administrative support to the Attorney General, Solicitor General, Deputy Solicitor General, Senior Crown Counsel and Crown Counsel. This cost centre provides salaries for an office …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 2024/25 [was] $2,440,000. E stimates for 20 25/26 [is] $2,673,000, an increase of $233,000 or 10 per cent . Mr. Chair man, the A dvisory Section is responsible for providing quality legal advice to all Government departments and conducting litigation matters brought by or against the G …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates for 2024/ 25 [was] $2,097,000. Estimate for 20 25/26 [is] $2,842,000, an increase of $745,000 or 36 per cent . The Legislative Drafting Section advises regarding proposals to introduce or amend legislation, drafts primary and subordinate legislation for all Government departments and provides advice and support to M …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimates for 2024 /25 [was] $244,000 . Estimates 2025/26 [is] $369,000, an increase of $125,000 or 51 per cent . Mr. Chair man, this cost centre supports the consolidation, periodic revision and publication of the laws of Bermuda. It is responsible for providing Members of both H ouses …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimates [for] 20 24/25 [was] $338,000. Estimate for 2025/26 [is] $534,000 which represents an increase of $196,000 , or 58 per cent. Mr. Chair man, the D ebt Enforcement Unit within the Attorney General’s Chambers was established by the Government to assist the Department of Social Insurance and the …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Original estimate 20 24/25 [was] $148,000. Estimate for 2025/ 26 [is] $190,000, an increase of $42,000 or 28 per cent . This programme provides for the cost of maintaining the L aw Library and the Attorney General's Chambers which includes the purchase of books, periodicals and the provision of access …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimates 2024/ 25 was $10,000. Estimates for 2025 /26, is $10,000, which represents zero or nil , or zero per cent change. The budget allocation for capital expenditures is found at page C -10 of the Budget Book. The Attorney General's Chambers has been allocated a capital amount …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chairman, during the 2024 calendar year, 43 Acts were enacted and 133 Statuto-ry Instruments were made. In addition to the annual budget legislation, there were a number of new and amending Acts to give effect to the Government's legislative agenda. The Bermuda Laws website, which contains all of Bermuda's …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chairman, there are currently five vacant posts within the Civil Advisory and Litigation section of the Attorney General's Chambers. Two Deputy Solicitor Generals, one Crown Counsel, one Junior Crown Counsel and one administrative assistant. Recruitment for the vacant Deputy Solicitor General post has begun and interviews are due to …
Mr. Dennis Lister III In the Drafting Section of Chambers, there are five vacancies: Deputy Chief Parliamentary Counsel, one Parliamentary Counsel, one Assistant Parliamentary Counsel, and two temporary additional Parliamentary Counsel. The vacancy in the Parliamentary Council position arose with the resignation of Ms . Lauren Francis in February 2025, who completed 13 years …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, the Attorney General's Chambers includes within its mandate the development of its professional and administrative staff. In December 2024, the Acting Senior Crown Counse l and a Crown Coun sel attended a virtual training session for anti -money laundering and countering the financing of terrorism. Additionally, to …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, a principal focus will continue to be on the development of Bermudian Crown Counse l and pupils . Emphasis will be given to using Senior Crown Coun sel and Crown Counse l to assist Junior Crown Coun sel and pupils on advisory and litigation matters . The …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The principal focus is to fill all vacancies in the section and chart a succession plan to develop Bermudian Parliamentary Counsel. An organisational restructuring of the section to bolster succession planning and support professional and leadership development is forthcoming. Legislative Information M anagement System —LIMS
Mr. Dennis Lister III The legislation is produced quickly and accurately using LIMS which is customised to our Bermuda drafting style. This, combined with the important role of the legislative editor, has kept the number of errors and inconsistencies found in legislation during Ho use and Senate debates to a minimum, thereby expediting the …
The Chairman Chairman And for the listening audience, we have just concluded H ead 4 under the Ministry of Justice, which is being delivered by Junior Minister Lister. We are now in h our number two of five and we are approaching 20 . . . or just about 20 minutes prior to …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chair man. Next, I will continue on with Head 74 Department of Court Services found on pages B -98 to B -101 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 74, the Department of Court …
Mr. Dennis Lister III This department has been, and continues to be, impacted by an increasing number of clients who are victims of unresolved childhood and adult traumas which negatively affect their lives, cul-minating with their involvement in our criminal justice system. These issues seriously affect their ability to function in society, which ultimately …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The subjective analysis of current account estimates of the Department of Court Services are found on page B -98. I would highlight the material object code increases and decreases. Head 74— Department of Court Services
Mr. Dennis Lister III The expenditure for the fiscal year 2024/25 was $4,397,000, while the estimate for the fiscal year is $4,888,000. This is an increase of $491 ,000 over the previous year , or 11 per cent, a nd as noted above, contains the salary uplift for staff as well as filling of …
Mr. Dennis Lister III In 2025 /26, the estimated expansion for this team is $439,000. This is a $7,000, or 2 per cent increase over last year , the increase [is] due to salary uplift s and post fillings. Parole Services, 84020
Mr. Dennis Lister III This team had an original expenditure in 2024/25 of $424,000. In 2025 /26, Mr. Chairman, $463,000 has been requested and this would be an increase of 9 per cent, or $39,000— again to cover staff uplifts and vacant posts being f illed. Drug Treatment Court Programme, 84080
Mr. Dennis Lister III This Treatment Court Programme had an original expenditure of $471,000 in 2024 /25. The request for 20 25/26 is $621,000, which would be a 32 per cent increase, or $150,000. The total expenditure for the Case Management Unit is $1,523,000 which is 15 per cent, or $196,000, over last year's …
Mr. Dennis Lister III This business unit has the Management Team salaries as well as the IT post and the operational funds for the department. This business unit in the 2024 /25 fiscal year had an expenditure of $1,262,000. The 2025/ 26 fiscal year estimated expenditure is $1,328,000. This is an Bermuda House of …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The expenditure for this team was $174,000 in the 2024/ 25 fiscal year . The 2025/ 26 expenditure estimate is $423,000. This is an increase of 143 per cent. This fiscal year will be the first year that the department has two F orensic Psychologists, and with the recruitment process …
Mr. Dennis Lister III This team's estimated expenditure of $509,000 is an increase of $46,000, or 10 per cent over the 20 24/25 year. Assessments, 84060
Mr. Dennis Lister III This unit comprises three teams : Report Writing Team, the BARC T eam and the Mental Health Treatment T eam, whose 2024/25 expenditure was $1,171,000. The expenditure estimate of $1,105,000 for the 2025/26 year is a decrease of $66,000, or 6 per cent . This brings the 2025/ 26 expenditure …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Chair man, I am pleased to report that the department ’s forecast performance measures for fiscal year 2024/25 were achieved as listed below in each cost centre. Business Unit 7401, Case Management
Mr. Dennis Lister III This business unit is responsible for three teams which carry out the functions of probation, parole and the Drug Treatment Court. Probation Team: The P robation Team monitors and supervises clients who are on probation, orders which have been ordered by the Courts. Conditions in probation orders are designed utilising …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Two of the performance measures, which were forecast at 75 per cent , were actioned and completed at 100 per cent . All clients who screened positive for drug or alcohol use were actioned within one week. This would mean that one or more interventions based on client behaviour , …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Individuals released from the Department of Corrections on early conditional release to serve the remainder of their sentences in the community by the Parole Board are supervised for the remainder of the sentences under the supervision of an officer from the P arole Team. This means that in addition to …
The Chairman Chairman Junior Minister, we have reached the two-hour mark right now. We started at 10 :24. Lunch is in about six minutes. Whenever you want to find a 396 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly good place to sort of stop and then we can resume …
The Chairman Chairman T hank you for that Junior Minister, and I will call on Minister Furbert just to move the motion to take us to lunch. You just move— Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you. I move that we adjourn for lunch.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? So, we are going for lunch until 2:00 . . . to resume at 2:00 pm. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12:26 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:0 0 pm [ Mrs. Renee Ming, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025/26 …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Good afternoon.
The Chairman Chairman We are now in session. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman We are now in Committee of Supply for the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure [for fiscal year 2025/26.] Please be seated, Members. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman I call on the Junior Minister for Legal Affairs to continue with his presentation. Can you please just remind me and the listening public where you completed before lunch today? Thank you. HEAD 74 –DEPARTMENT OF COURT SERVICES [ Continuing] Mr . Dennis Lister III: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I …
The Chairman Chairman Begin. Thank you. Mr . Dennis Lister III: Okay. You are welcome. To the listening audience . . . excuse me, Madam Chairman, how much time do I have left?
The Chairman Chairman You have approximately three hours remaining for your presentation.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will try and leave enough time for the Opposition to ask some questions. Madam Chairman, I left off on stating the performance measures under Head 74 and I will contin-ue. The department is actively working to lessen the number of persons who test positive during …
The Chairman Chairman Junior Minister. Mr . Dennis Lister III: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Can I just stop you for one minute? Mr . Dennis Lister III: Mm-hmm. MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS Bermuda House of Assembly ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN HOUSE VISITORS
The Chairman Chairman I would just like to acknowledge the presence of the Attorney General, Senator Kim Wilkerson in the Chamber with us today. She also has her permanent secretary . . . secretaries, sorry. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Please continue.
Mr. Dennis Lister III You are welcome. Intensive work has gone on with an added emphasis on assisting clients to deal with their trauma issues. The measurement forecast was at 7 per cent for both the DTC [Drug Treatment Court] and DUI [Driving Under the Influence) streams. The actual percentage was 10 per cent. …
Mr. Dennis Lister III This unit includes community service orders and the Mental Health Treatment Court programme along with the Report Writing Team and the Community Offenders Programme and the Ber-muda Assessment and Referral Centre. Community Service Orders
Mr. Dennis Lister III During the past year, individuals were sentenced to 3,802 hours of community service by the courts. This is down 10 per cent from the previous year. Generally, the number of hours ordered by the courts fluctuates with the economy where more hours are ordered in difficult financial environs as individuals …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The Mental Health Court Programme is a valuable option for individuals who come into the criminal justice systems with diagnosed and treatable mental health issues that were significant contributors to their offending. A major challenge for this team that continues year to year is the inability for these clients to …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The Community -based Programme Team delivers accredited and certified interventions by specially trained senior probation officers for high- risk offenders such as sex and violent offenders under the guidance of a forensic psychologist. Unfortunately, we lost our dedicated sex and violent offender staff member, and we are actively searching for …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The Report Writing Team had a total of 294 reports for the calendar year. This was up 86 from the previous year. Madam Chairman, 95 per cent of reports were completed on time. The target for this objective was 100 per cent; however, being unable to contact offenders due to …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The BARC [Bermuda Assessment and Referral Centre] Team completed a total of 153 reports in the last year. This was five more than the previous year. During the year there were 53 recommendations for intensive outpatient treatment, while there were 23 referred for inpatient retreatment —I take that back —while …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, as we continue to develop our staff developmental opportunities to keep abreast of trends in the field, numerous training and acting opportunities have been made availa-ble. Additionally, an Acting Unit Manager as well as a Probation Officer Case Manager attended the American Probation and Parole Association [APPA] confer-ence …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, I will now continue with Head 75 Department of Public Prosecutions. The Department of Public Prosecutions [DPP] is found on pages B -102 to B -105 of the Budget Book. Department Overview
Mr. Dennis Lister III The mission statement for the Department of Public Prosecutions is, To provide Bermuda with independent, efficient and effective criminal prosecution service without fear or favour based on the rule of law. The following are the objectives of the Department of Public Prosecutions: 1. Promote the fair, transparent and efficient prosecution …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate for 2024/25 was $3,703,000. The estimate for 2025/26 is $4,001,000, an increase of $298,000 or 8 per cent. The current account expenditure estimates for Head 75, the Department of Public Prosecutions, begins on page B -102 of the Budget Book. A total of $4,001,000 has been allocated …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The original estimate for 2024/25 was $3,537,000. The estimate for 2025/26 is $3,828,000 an increase of $291,000 or 8 per cent. Madam Chairman, $3,828,000 has been allocated to the Department of Public Prosecutions on its own. This represents an increase of $291,000 or 8 per cent from fiscal year 2024/25. …
Mr. Dennis Lister III During the fiscal year 2024/25, the Department of Public Prosecutions handled approximately 950 criminal cases in the Magistrates’ Court. There were also approximately 7,000 traffic cases completed during the financial year. Multiple defendant trials in the Supreme Court have increased and a total of 20 indictments have been disposed of. …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, under the direction of the Director of Public Prosecutions there is a complement of 14 counsel. However, currently there are two vacant posts, one of which is well into the recruitment process. All counsel are engaged in the prosecution of offences and appear when appropriate in the Magistrates’ …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the DPP works with other departments and entities such as the Bench, the Defence Bar, Legal Aid, Court Services and of course the Bermuda Police Service. Their cooperation throughout the past and into the upcoming year is vital for the proper functioning of the criminal justice system. Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Before you start that can you just give us the page number?
Mr. Dennis Lister III The page number in the Budget Book . . . and I do apologise. 402 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Page B -94.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Page B -94. Thank you, MP Pearman —
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Dennis Lister III —for paying attention. That's good. [Laughter]
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, can I continue, or . . . Okay. HEAD 25 —DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, it is my pleasure to present fiscal [year] 2025/26 estimates of expenditure for Head 25, the Department of Corrections, which are found on pages B -94 through B-96 of the Budget Book. The Department of Correction’s mission is, To protect the public and provide rehabilitative services. The department …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Physical plant upgrades over the 2024/25 fiscal year included a continuation of refurbishment and repairs to one of the inmate housing units at the Westgate Facility. Repairs and replacements have also been made to the air -conditioning units at Westgate. [Additionally, there were] partial replacements of the kitchen equipment in …
Mr. Dennis Lister III I would now like to draw your attention to page B -94 of the Budget Book which sets out the current account estimates for the 2025/26 [fiscal year.] Here, under the General Summary, you will note that there are 12 business units within the De-partment of Corrections. Those business units …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35000, Headquarters and OTS, is $17,915,000 a decrease of $1,842,000 or 9 per cent over the 2024/25 budget allocation. This business unit is 72 per cent of the department’s budget allocation. The allocation will fund salaries for staff including cus-tody staff and operating …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35020 Farm Facility is $446,000. This represents a $5,000 or 1 per cent increase when compared to the 2024/25 fiscal budget. The Farm Fa-cility is an adult male minimum security facility with a capacity to house 90 inmates. For inmates to be housed …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35030 Co- educational Facility is $306,000. This represents an increase of $1,000 when compared to the 2024/25 fiscal budget. This facility with a capacity of 56 cells has separate and distinct provisions to house 40 females (adult and juvenile); six young male offenders …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35060 Westgate Correctional Facility is $1,188,000. This represents an increase of $52,000 or 5 per cent when compared to the 2024/25 budget. Westgate Correctional Facility is an adult male establishment with the capacity to house 220 inmates classified as maximum, medium, and minimum …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35090 Therapeutic Community Centre is $653,000 which represents a decrease of $132,000 or 17 per cent when compared to the budget allocation for the fiscal year 202 4/25. This reduction is related to the programme being transitioned to the management of the Department …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35105 Psychological Services is Bermuda House of Assembly $354,000. This represents an increase of $10, 000 or 3 per cent when compared to the [ 2024 /25] fiscal budget. Psychological services have evolved throughout the fiscal year of 2024/25 and are provided across …
Mr. Dennis Lister III The estimate for business unit 35106 Social Services and C ase Management is $959,000. This represents an increase of $380,000 or 66 per cent when compared to fiscal budget 2024/25. This budget increase is due to additional staffing consisting of one social worker , three treatment facilitators, and various independent …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35107 Health Services is $1,744,000. This represents a $181,000 or 12 per cent increase when compared to 2024/25 fiscal budget. This increase is related to the number of inmates requiring health care services . This budget allocation will provide funding for nursing staff …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35109, Vocational Services, is $352,000. This represents an increase of $228,000 or 54 per cent. This increase in funding will provide for continued development of an inmate cooperative programme (a Throne Speech initiative), resumption of the National Center for Construction Education and Research …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, the estimate for business unit 35110, Recreational Services, is $60,000. This represents an increase of $11,0000, or 22 per cent. The increase is due to the increase of materials. Subjective Analysis of the Current Account Estimates
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, I would like to draw your attention to [page] B -95 of the approved Estimates of R evenue and E xpenditure Book. Salaries have decreased by $1,461,000, or 7 per cent. This decrease is a result of the forecasted retirement of senior officers and planned recruitment of new …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, I would now like to draw your attention to [page] B -97 which outlines the performance measures of the Department of Corrections. The forecast for 2025/26 is as follows. 1. The average daily inmate population is currently at 152 with 47 of the admissions estimated to be first …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, I will now move to [page] C -10 of the Budget Book and Capital Acquisitions. The estimate for 2025/26 is $402,000. This allocation will be used for main kitchen equipment upgrades, the purchase of security equipment and air -conditioning equipment. [Page] C -4 shows the 2025/26 estimate for …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, staffing at the facility continues to be a critical challenge and is a major part of ensuring the safety and security at the facility. We must operate at the highest security standard thus ensuring Corrections staff, service providers, inmates and visitors are safe within the facility. Staffing has …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Madam Chairman, I will briefly set out some of the priorities of the Department of Corrections for fiscal year 2025/26. The department will continue with recruitment to fill various vacant posts which are mainly custodial staff. Recruitment of custodial staff has been a challenge during this fiscal year. However, we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Junior Minister Lister. I will give you a minute to just sort yourself and get ready for any questions. I just want to take this opportunity to update the listening public that we are in Committee of Supply for the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. We are currently …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman, and good afternoon to you and to the listening public. Let me start by thanking the Honourable Junior Minister for his presentation. And, in particular, let me thank him for his speed reading, because he has very kindly left me with considerably more time than I …
The Chairman Chairman Member, before you get into it, let me just remind the public that we actually have one hour and 45 minutes more at this time. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Okay. Excellent. Oh, and I am being offered a podium for the [Budget] Book. Madam Chairman, I will try my very best to assist both the Honourable Junior Minister and the members of the Ministry by maintaining each of the heads and trying to put all of my questions on …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman And the first head, the Ministry of Justice Headquarters, as a whole appears (for those who are following along in their Budget Books) at page B -78. And that is where we have the overview of the budget for the Ministry of Justice including all of the heads and all …
The Chairman Chairman Minister.
Mr. Dennis Lister III MP Pearman, do you know how many questions you anticipate for this head? You can ask all of the questions on this head and then I can answer them.
Mr. Scott Pearman I will be very happy . . . I don’t have them numbered, I just have them in my notes. But I will certainly pause at the end of this head and welcome any responses coming my way, if that’s okay with you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I am fine with that. But that also, on that particular head, if anyone else wishes to ask any questions —
Mr. Scott Pearman Of course.
The Chairman Chairman —let’s take all of the questions on one head first , and then allow the Honourable Junior Minister to respond.
The Chairman Chairman That will make it easier, even for the listening audience.
Mr. Scott Pearman And I know in respect of certain heads that there are colleagues on my side who do have additional questions. I am certainly not the only speaker on this side. A nd particularly so given that we have been told that we have about an hour and 45 minutes for …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Proceed.
Mr. Scott Pearman So, that is a little bit more flesh on the bones, if we could, about the personnel increases and the cost increases for salaries. The second topic, still on this head, and this arises on page B -80, line item 97100, and this is in relation to the Financial Intelligence …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just so I am following with you, are you now on page B -81?
Mr. Scott Pearman Exactly. I am back to the Headquarters page.
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am dealing with the issue of Legal Aid. And I was dealing with the statement made by the Honourable Junior Minister in his brief that in relation to Legal Aid one of the largest costs to the Government in Legal Aid was external counsel. And he had said …
Mr. Scott Pearman I see the Honourable Member Michael Fahy, who is a lawyer, say, Never. But there we are. But the reality is that there are a number of lawyers on this Island, probably more statistically and percentagewise than in some other jurisdictions, given that we are an international financial centre. And …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Yes, they do. Mr. Scott Pearman: Thank you. I heard the Whip from the other side supporting me on that one. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman But Professional Services. So, the actuals were $1.28 million in 2023. They are going up. They are going up quite considerably, $1.9 [million] is the estimate, $1.94 million in the grey box there for Professional Services at [page] B -80. That is almost $1 million up. And so, I guess …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will try and answer in the order that they were asked. The first question asked by MP Pearman was in regard to the personnel salary and employment numbers in HQ. Just to make a point of clarification, the number of members on the Parole Board …
Mr. Dennis Lister III In regard to your question, Is the Domestic Violence Court Programme commingled with the Justice Protection budget? The answer is no, they are not commingled. But the Justice Protection will be available to witnesses and victims in that programme. And we can confirm no additional budget was required from our …
The Chairman Chairman Junior Minister, do you need some additional time? Because Mr. Pearman is on his feet.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes. He can sit up while . . .
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Let me just clarify one —
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Member from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. Sorry. Let me just clarify one point, and I apologise. I think the note was in error. The 43 per cent was in relation to the DPP [Department of Public Prosecutions] conflict and not in relation to the HQ Legal Affairs. So, apologies for my misstatement …
Mr. Dennis Lister III We can move on to the next head.
The Chairman Chairman Junior Minister, you have to wait to be acknowledged. 414 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Dennis Lister III: Oh. Right.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. You can get up and provide some guidance.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Madam Chairman. Yes. MP Pearman, you can continue on to the next head.
The Chairman Chairman And just for the listening audience, we are in Committee of Supply in the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. We are doing the Ministry of Justice, and we have one hour and seven minutes remaining. Thank you, Member from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The next of our six heads, the second of our six heads, is the Judicial Department. And that commences on page B -84 for those following along in the Budget Book. And if we keep sort of a finger at [page] B-84, we turn back to …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to speak to Head 3, Judicial Department? No. Junior Minister, are you ready to answer the questions asked by MP Pearman?
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will just go back to answer a few questions from the previous head. One was the reason behind the increase in the expenditure for the Financial Intelligence Agency. There is an employment of a new analyst who will assist with preparation for upcoming mutual evaluation …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Good afternoon. The Chair recognises MP Scott Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to the Junior Minister and to the Attorney General for those fulsome answers. Just three quick follow -ups from the answers given. One in relation to the probate. My understanding of the answer is that we have caught up 2025. We are now …
Mr. Scott Pearman So, the third head is Attorney General’s Chambers, Head 4. And I would be grateful, Mr. Chairman. I think I have got about 30 –35 minutes left in the debate. Does that sound about right? Or is it a little bit longer?
The Chairman Chairman You have approximately 40 minutes left.
Mr. Scott Pearman Forty minutes, excellent. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Four-zero.
Mr. Scott Pearman Great. So, in relation to Head 4, this is the Attorney General’s Chambers, again this sort of headline issue based upon page B -78, which is the overview of the entire department. If you just look there in relation to the Attorney General’s Chambers, it is going up $1.35 million …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening public, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. We are debating the Ministry of Justice. Do we have anyone else who wishes to ask any questions? The Chair recognises Honourable …
Ms. Linda Smith Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just had one additional question with respect to the reply that has been given. The Criminal Injury Compensation which is now not its own line item, but is part of the HQ budget, it was allocated previously $200,000. Is that still the case, or do …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Scott Pearman from constituency 22.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I am afraid that I sat down a little too quickly. I had one last question on the Attorney General’s Chambers, which I failed to put. And that is at page B -91 under General Summary and in relation to the topic of Debt Collection, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises Junior Minister Dennis Lister III.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to go back just to clarify the response on regard to the probate. You did ask [about] 2023. So as of now, all of 2023 probates have been actioned. And as I said, we are now working on processing 2024 applications, hopefully to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Junior Minister. The Chair recognises Honourable Member Scott Pearman. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One question following up from that that was asked by my colleague to my right, just in terms of the post, the parliamentary draftsmen then post the five …
Mr. Scott Pearman But there we go. Yes. So the next head of six is Court Services, which is . . . Excuse me, one second. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening public, we are now in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Ex-penditure for the year 2025/26. We are debating the Ministry of Justice. The Honourable Member Scott Pearman is leading a robust debate. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman If only. If only. One of my colleagues has asked in relation to the answer given for debt collection in the previous head, Head 4, whether there is an idea of how much debt in total we are seeking to collect. And I pass that question on on his behalf …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon. 420 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognises MP King of constituency 10, Smith’s North.
Mr. Robert King Thank you. I might be able to offer some assistance regarding the requirement for electronic monitoring as it relates to domestic violence.
The Chairman Chairman MP King, you are asking questions. You are not —
Mr. Robert King No, no, no. It is okay, it is okay. Do not worry, I will get myself together. Regarding the Senior Probation Officer who used to deliver the sex offender programme of violent offender, he is right here. So, when I came into this House, that is why they were one …
The Chairman Chairman Any other questions, MP King?
Mr. Robert King I do. Would you prefer I put all of the questions? [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Robert King Okay, cool. I will go ahead and do that. In terms of business unit 84040, Percentage of individuals who have been sent an appliance, receiving individual versus group, we do not actually have a number of the clients who are in groups or a receiving individual. I am wondering if …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, MP King. Does anyone else have any questions for the Junior Minister? No. For the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. We are debating the Ministry of Justice. …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you again, Mr. Chairman. I do just want to jump back to Head 4 just to further answer the question in regard to debt collec-tion and how much are we seeking to collect? The forecasted amount will be based on the cases referred to the office by Finance. It …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises MP Scott Pearman, Shadow Minister of the Ministry of Justice.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. So, we are waiting on some of the answers in relation to Court Services, including my question in the Probation Services and the number of questions by MP King. While we do, I think we have got about 20 minutes or so to run. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Honourable Junior Minister.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before I answer those, I just do want to go back to Head 3 just to provide a response to one of the questions from MP Pearman in relation to the expansion or contractions of the number of judges in Criminal Court. There are two judges …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Junior Minister. The Chair recognises Honourable Scott Simmons [sic] with his last few questions for the Ministry of Justice —
Mr. Scott Pearman Pearman. Pearman.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Just checking to make sure you are awake.
Mr. Scott Pearman We are, barely.
The Chairman Chairman This debate is due to end in the next 12 minutes.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am now moving on to the final head of the six heads presented under this Ministry or at least in this debate today, namely, Head 25 involving the Department of Corrections. And, Mr. Chairman, before you took your chair, when Madam Chairman was …
The Chairman Chairman Where is this found? Page?
Mr. Scott Pearman Page B -94, ninety -four. Head 25.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman So, the headline here, again by reference to the overarching page for the Ministry, which is B -78, is that we have 26077 revised and 26787 actuals in 2023/24. So, against the actuals, it is about a $2 million decline. And I guess my question here is really a bit …
Mr. Scott Pearman Okay. Well, I am grateful to know the Junior Minister does not remember the precise word either, so I am okay on that one for a minute. But it was some sort of audio system to monitor each cell as I understood it. So those are three overarching questions that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Scott Pearman. Junior Minister.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In my short few minutes left, I will try to catch as many answers as possible. But I do want to go back to in regard to Domestic Violence and the data being used to assess numbers of persons. Because of how persons are charged, not …
The Chairman Chairman There is no more time for questions.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Okay, no more question time.
Mr. Scott Pearman We have a minute and a half. [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman With your leave, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I will be generous today.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That’s very kind. I had a number of questions about the educational programme for prisoners. I will not pose those questions. What I will do instead is simply say, would the Ministry be prepared to extend an invitation to Members of the Opposition to visit those …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. All right. [Laughter]
Mr. Dennis Lister III I will leave the answer to that question up to the Attorney General. But with the re-maining time, or as the time has expired, I would first like to thank all of the staff of the Ministry of Justice, those present here and those who are at their offices for …
The Chairman Chairman For the benefit of the listening audience, we have just concluded the budget debate on the Ministry of Justice. Junior Minister Dennis Lister III has given stalworth answers and he is now going to move his heads.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Yes, cannot forget that part. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that Heads 87, 3, 4, 25, 74 and 75 be approved as printed. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 87, 3, 4, 25, 74 and 75 be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Justice, Heads, 87, 3, 4, 25, 74 and 74 were approved and stand part of the Estimates …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26 and I call upon the Minister of Home Affairs to proceed. Minister Alexa Lightbourne, you have the floor. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is my privilege to present the 2025/26 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Ministry of Home Affairs. These estimates cover Head 93, Ministry Headquarters; Head 89, Department of Energy; and Head 97, the Land Title Registration Office. I …
The Chairman Chairman Please hold, Honourable Minister. For the benefit of the listening audience, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideraBermuda House of Assembly tion of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. Heads 93, 89 and 97 are being read off by Minister Alexa Lightbourne. Please …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. 430 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Ber muda House of Assembly For the benefit of the listening audience, w e are now on the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the E stimates of R evenue and Expenditures for the y ear 2025/26. The …
The Chairman Chairman Point of clarification or point of order ? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael Fahy: Well, I suppose a point of order. I am just trying to understand what line item the Minister is on with this particular point. I am not following it in the [Budget] B ook, I am …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Lightbourne, c ould you clarify for MP Fahy? Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: As consistent with the other ministerial briefs, this relates to the achievements of the previous year —under the Department of Energy.
The Chairman Chairman Is that clear enough for you, MP Fahy ? Hon. Michael Fahy: Sadly not. I am just not following. We are on H ead 89. T he Minister is giving a presentation on last year's performance outputs . But from what I gathered that was to do with Planning. That …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: I will reread a sentence from my ministerial brief, so this achievement was a result of strong partnership between the Department of Energy and the Department of Planning. Hon. Michael Fahy: That is clear. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Clear as mud, now? [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Minister . Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: The Department of Energy provided technical leadership to ensure that all recommendations were tailored to Bermuda's unique climate and socioeconomic context , while the Depart432 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly ment of Planning led the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . For the benefit of the listening audience, we are now Committee of Supply for fur ther consideration of the Estimates and R evenue Expenditures for the year 2025/26, M inistry of Home Affairs . Honourable Alexa Lightbourne is presenting Heads 93, 89 and 97. Please proceed, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. For the benefit of the listening public, we are now in Committee of Supply f or the consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26. Home Affairs Minister Alexa Lightbourne has completed Head 89, the Department of Energy. She shall move on to Head …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. For the benefit of the listening audience, we are no w in C ommittee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2025/26 . Ministry of Home Affairs. Minister Alexa Lightbourne is presenting. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The LTRO's …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister Lightbourne, for your delivery. At this time we welcome any Member to reply. I see Minister. . . I’m sorry, MP Fahy, from constituency 20. And just so you know, we have one hour and 30 minutes remaining. Hon. Michael Fahy : Thank you, Madam Chairman. You …
The Chairman Chairman You are fine now? Hon. Michael Fahy: I’m good now, yes, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Michael Fahy: I was just pausing to get my computer plugged in with my notes. So, in relation to CARICOM specifically, that is a question in respect of any CARICOM draft agreements or thereabouts. And if there were, when were those drafts exchanged? I think the people of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, before I ask you Minister, does anybody else wish to speak to Head 93? Minister, you can respond. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am still waiting for a few technical responses, but I will get through the Honourable Member’s questions as best as I can. Relating …
The Chairman Chairman Minister . . . MP Fahy, one second. You need to be acknowledged by the Chair. So, I will thank the Minister for her response and I will now recognise the Member from constituency 20, MP Fahy. Hon. Michael Fahy: Thank you. I was getting very excited, ready to stand …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just real quick. What you just said, is that a question for the Minister or is that — Hon. Michael Fahy : It is a question. If we could get some clarification on the . . . when audited financials will be received for the RA's last set of …
The Chairman Chairman I see. Okay. Minister, have you noted that question? Hon. Michael Fahy: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Michael Fahy: So, let me just look at this. Oh, yes, also we have heard mention of the Rocky Mountain Institute [RMI] which the Bermuda Government signed a memorandum of understanding in 2019 (I think), and there were two major tenets of that. One was to do …
The Chairman Chairman Member, please address your concerns to the Chair. Hon. Michael Fahy: Yes. Madam Chairman —
The Chairman Chairman And if you are asking for him to just tell you where it is, I will ask him to note where he . . . either refer to it in the [Budget] Book or refer to it from the brief.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Madam Chairman. I appreciate your indulgence. Yes, I was very interested in the fast ferry . . . the electric ferry so I was trying to follow it in the [Budget] Book —
The Chairman Chairman MP . . . MP . . . yes. But I was not giving you permission to speak. I was just saying that I would allow MP Fahy to tell you where he referred it. Because what he has been doing is that he has been referring to the places …
The Chairman Chairman No problem. Thank you very much. MP Fahy. Hon. Michael Fahy: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, specifically for the Member from constituency 2 (I didn’t want to say number one and get it wrong; that is the Chair.) I am making specific reference to the Energy Mission Statement which …
The Chairman Chairman You actually have 35 minutes at this time. So, I assume that you want to . . . if you are going to move, I am just going to ask if any another Member would like to speak on this Head before we move away from it, if that’s okay? …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Would any other Member wish to speak on Head 89, Energy? I recognise the Member from constituency 25, MP Dr. DeCouto.
Dr. Douglas DeCouto Thank you, Madam Chairman. On page [B -]313 regarding the department objectives the first objective, reliance on fossil fuels and so forth, we know that the RA is putting out some kind of request for proposals on wind energy. Could the Minister characterise if this Department of Energy has any …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak to Head 89, Energy? I recognise the Member from constituency 20, MP Fahy. Hon. Michael Fahy: Thank you. I had one more point to make. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I did promise to the listening public, who I am sure …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just for clarity. B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael Fahy: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman This document is . . . Hon. Michael Fahy: This is the Bermuda Space Strategy document that was published by the Bermuda Government in 2020. It is a five- year plan. It was published under the previous Minister, Minister Roban.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. And you found it on the Government website or — Hon. Michael Fahy: I did indeed, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, okay. Thank you. Hon. Michael Fahy: Yes. There are numerous pieces that come under that. There are a number of strategic goals. There are dozens of them, really, that are pages and pages long. I think what would be very helpful is if the Minister, given this is a …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I will just ask if any other Member wishes to speak to Head 89, Energy? None at this time. So, are we going to move to the next head, which was [Head] 97? Hon. Michael Fahy : Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman So, I am assuming, MP Fahy, that you would like to speak on Head 97. Hon. Michael Fahy : I am not getting this right every time, am I, Madam Chairman? But thank you—
The Chairman Chairman It’s okay. Hon. Michael Fahy: —for your indulgence.
The Chairman Chairman I’m here to make sure you follow the rules. [ Laughter] Hon. Michael Fahy: Quite. Thank you very much.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. Hon. Michael Fahy: Madam Chairman, you are quite right. I am going to speak now to Head 97, Land Title and Registration. And there are a number of items here where I think clarity is required based on the ministerial brief and some of the numbers. Again, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Does any other Member wish to speak to Head 97, Land Title and Registration? No. Minister, you have 23 minutes left in your debate. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, Madam Chairman. If I may just . . . In regard to the Honourable Member’s questions regarding the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, just letting you know that you have 10 minutes left. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you. I believe I answered the Honourable Member’s questions. There may be a few outstanding that I am still awaiting technical replies. I think you asked for . . . yes. You can clarify any …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Member wish to any of the heads at this time? It would be Head 93, 89 and 97. I note that we have eight minutes left. I recognise the Member from constituency 20, MP Fahy. Hon. Michael Fahy : Thank you, Madam Chairman. And thank you to …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you have five minutes. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I neglected . . . I thank the Honourable Member for his questions, the Shadow Minister. I neglected to relate to the RMI or speak to the MOU. The RMI were initially engaged to support two parts, namely, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We have . . . well, really we have just enough time now to allow you to go and rise and report and to move your heads. Sorry. Hon. Alexa Lightbourne: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that Heads 93, 89 and 97 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 93, 89 and 97 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Home Affairs Heads 93, 89 and 97 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 202 5/26.] …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Committee rise, report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. Thank you, Members. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress and sought leave to sit again.] House …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been reported that the [Committee of Supply ] rose and reported progress. Is there any objection to that? There are none. In that case we move into the next business [on the Orders of the Day]. And it is my understanding that all matters under Orders of the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It has been moved that Standing Order 14 be suspended. Are there any objections? [Motion carried: Standing Order 14 suspended. ] NOTICE OF MOTION CITY OF HAMILTON PLAN 2025 Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Madam Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that at the next day of meeting I propose …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. I now call on the Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Wednesday, 14 May 2025. 452 12 May 2025 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: It …
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