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March 20, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 20, 2017
Session 2016/2017
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753 speeches from 33 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Members should have received the Minutes of the 13th of March, which are to be co nfirmed unless there are any objections or corrections. Since there are none, the Minutes of the 13th of March 2017 are confirmed. The Minutes of the 15th and 17th of March have been deferred. …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENAT E
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, the Chair will recognise the Mini ster for Economic Development. Dr. Gibbons, you have the floor.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. REGULATORY AUTHORITY ACTIVITIES AND AUDITED FINANCIALS REPORT 2014/15
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Regulatory Authority Activities and Audited Financials Report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Honourable Members, we have one Minister who has begged to ask leave of the House to be able to provide a Statement, Mr. Ric hards. So the Chair will . . . j ust one second. Can we get the . . . The Clerk: Do we have the …
The Speaker The Speaker Do we have copies? Bear with us, pleas e. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, Minister Richards. The Chair will recognise Minister Sylvan Richards. AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGARDING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you for your indulgence this morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issues of dogs and public safety have been raised in this Honourable House on …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. We do have several written responses that I have tracked down. I am told that some of these . . . MP Rabain, I believe, has his r esponses from Premier Dunkley. QUESTIONS: LIST OF ALL CONSUL TANTS/CONTRACT ORS FROM APRIL 1, 2015, TO MARCH 31, 2016, FOR …
The Speaker The Speaker And also, MP Lister has his responses from Minister Cannonier. Members, some of the answers have not been completed. And I have asked that Members get those answers to the Opposition in good time. QUESTIONS: LIST OF ALL CONSUL TANTS/CONTRACTORS FROM APRIL 1, 2015 , TO MARCH 31, 2016, FOR …
The Speaker The Speaker We have oral questions from MP D. V. Burgess. MP D. V. Burgess. QUESTION 1: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House —the Honour able Minister being Pat Gordon- Pamplin —as to how …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a total of 25 nonBermudians employed at the Hotel Loren. Of this total, 23 require work permits and 2, who are spouses of Bermudians, do not require work permits.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. MP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 2: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House as to how many Bermudians are presently employed at H otel Loren?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr . Speaker. The Bermudians who are currently employed are . . . there are 25 Bermudians and 2 spouses of Bermudians.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes, you have a supplementary?
The Speaker The Speaker MP Scott. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. W. Lawrenc e Scott Will the Honourable Minister be able to let Members of this Honourable House know the hourly wage for the non- executive positions that Bermudians are holding?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I cannot. I do not know. I can ask the question.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Would the Minister undertake to find out the hourly wage for the non- executive positions of Bermudians and bring that back to this House?
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I suppose I can ask the question, Mr. Speaker, but I am not certain that we have the ability to delve into that private sec-tor. But if I can get the information, I would be happy to ask. 1438 20 March 2017 …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Minister, are you aware that in March 2017, this is the highest percen tage of non- Bermudians in any hotel in the history of Bermuda?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am not.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Question number 3,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 3: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Honourable Minister please list the job categories/ positi ons that are held by Bermudians at Hotel Loren as at March 5, 2017?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Bermudians or spouses thereof hold the following p ositions: one assistant maître d’ , four bartenders, one bellboy, one chef de partie , one chef de cuisine, one food and beverage director, two doormen, one food and beverage server, two housekeeping …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. MP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. The Spe aker: Yes, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Minister be aware that there is not one Bermudian manager at Hotel Loren? The Speaker: Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do not …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Thank you, MP Burgess. We move now to the Statement by Minister Sylvan Richards, and the Chair will first recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13. MP Diallo Rabain, you have the floor. QUESTION 1: AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGAR DING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Firstly, I would like to congratulate the Minister for bringing this. This is certainly a vexing topic that many have spoken to. I think all of us have had someone who has come up to us, as Members of Par-liament, to say or have some complaints …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member has asked a very impo rtant question. It is something that I, as the new Minister, will sit down with my staff and review current procedures of what can be done in the future to increase the …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mini ster. Yes, you have a supplementary, MP De Si lva? Or do you have a question? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplem ent ary on that? Hon. Zane J . S. De Silva: Yes, sir. Yes, I do, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, okay. Bermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Minister, based on what you just said, exactly what are you planning to do to achieve that?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Speaker, it is an ongoing thing that we are looking at. I cannot give specifics at this time because I have yet to sit down and meet with my dog wardens and the others in the Ministry to find the best way forward. …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Yes, you have a question, MP De Silva? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I have a question, yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 1: AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGAR DING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Minister, in your Statement, you said your mantra is to punish the deed and not the breed. Have you looked at increasing the punis hment for those that are breeding illegal …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Y es. That is being looked at very actively.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes, MP De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because this, of course, is a very hot topic, as we all know, does the Minister have any timelines when he might be bringing legisla-tion to make these changes?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The goal is to bring the legislation and the regulations at the next session of Parliament, which will be the summer session.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Members. The Chair has a question from the Deputy Speaker.
Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser Thank you. It is a supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker It is a supplementary. SUPPLEMEN TARY
Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser Would the Mini ster consider the fact that once the considered illegal pit bull breed are indeed given the option to be licensed , if that is the direction in which they go, that the dogs will then be able to have access to proper veterinarian practices, whereas as an …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am kind of struggling with coming up with an answer for that. Yes, everything is on the table, where policy is being reviewed from top to bottom. And I am sure that when it is finalised, it will be …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. Honourable Members, that concludes Question Period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Minister for Social Development and Sport . Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Good morning, and thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Minister. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning firstly to acknowledge the Bermudian players who played with a Bermuda Select team yesterday against the New York Cosmos. And I just want to congratulate all the team players who actually played, but in particular, Mr. Oneko Lowe, …
The Speaker The Speaker I am glad you speeded yourself up. [Laughter] 1440 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: —i n 1972.
The Speaker The Speaker I mean, that is something you must know . [Laughter] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: So, it was a very good game yesterday. And Tre Ming— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Nandi Outerb ridge: In 1972.
The Speaker The Speaker Very good, Minister. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: I was born in 1987. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I just look good, Honourable Members. [Laughter] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Tre Ming scored the first goal for Bermuda and actually the only goal for the team. And it is unfortunate that, during the last three minutes of overtime, the New York Cosmos came back and scored a goal. So, it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 16, MP Weeks.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning to you.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks And I kind of figured I was going to get picked because I saw you up at Nationals yesterday.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. You knew I was going to pick you first today.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I knew that, Mr. Speaker. But, Mr. Speaker, I want the whole House to join me in congratulating you, with the acknowledgement that the Cosmos gave to you, and that jersey that they presented to you. I was hoping that you were going to put it on. I do not …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, they did not need me in the end, Honourable Member. [Laughter]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay. Yes. But for your exploits I think you were a hero to many a young Bermudian in the early to late 1970s. So, it was really good to see you being acknowledged in such a way. I just wish . . . I would like to associate the whole …
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 15, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Rob an Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to acknowledge the recent announcement of the retir ement of the Leader of the Opposition of the People’s National Movement of Jamaica, the Most Honourable Portia Simpson Miller, who gave her last Statement to the House of Representatives in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1, the Junior Minister Ke nneth Bascome. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: Good morning,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: Thank you very much. I would like to ask that this House acknowledge Mr. Shaquille Dill, who just won the 800 Metres Championship in the United States of America.
The Speaker The Speaker Which championship did he win? Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: The 800M Indoor Championship in— The Speaker: Of what? Of what?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Running.
The Speaker The Speaker I know running. But what events? What championship? Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Basc ome: The Indoor Championship in Birmingham, Alabama.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, okay. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: I also ask that this House please acknowledge the young lady, R enee Kelly who was just graduated and has become an obstetrician. The young lady is originally from St. George's. She lives in Warwick now. At the age of 40, she is the …
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Members care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26, MP Neville Tyrrell.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. The Speaker: Good morning.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, it is with some sadness that I rise to ask if this Honourable House would send condolences to the family of Maxine “Eunice” James. She was the wife of the late Lionel “Juicy” James of No. 1 Kings Lane North. I would like to associate my honourable colleague, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. MP Zane De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like this Honourable House to send condolences to the family of Ms. Dor othy …
The Speaker The Speaker Sailors, yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Who sailed for Bermuda on several occasions. And they are actually back in Bermuda now, Mr. Speaker. One of the daughters has built a house not far from where I used to live in Dev-onshire. And so I certainly send my condolences …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Member care to speak? Yes, the Chair will recognise the Member from constituency number 13, MP Diallo Rabain.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like for the House to send condolences to Mr. Eric Landy, the father of a very good friend of mine, Dr. Jewel Landy, who passed away and was interned. And if you could associate— actually you can associate the entire House with …
The Speaker The Speaker Associate the Speaker with that, too. He was my constituent. 1442 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And associate the Speaker with that. There was also a bit of sadness because the recently deceased Rochelle Butterfield was consi dered his daughter. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Members care to speak? That will conclude the obits and congrats. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise first the Mini ster for Health. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. FIRST READING HEALT H (MISCELLANEOUS) AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: Health (Miscellaneous) Amendment Act 2017.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. STATUTORY INTEREST RATE REDUCTION ACT 2017 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 28, I seek leave of the House to read for the first time the Bill entitled the Statutory Interest Rate Reduction …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS The S peaker: There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Members. We now will resume in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Rev enue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18. The Chair will recognise the Minister of F inance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. Are there any objections to that? Since there are none, the Chair will ask the Honourable Member from constituency 14, MP Glen Smith, to please take the Chair [of Committee] . House in Committee at 10:4 3 am [Mr. Glen Smith, Cha irman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Honourable Members and listening audience. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18, of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 27 and 29. There have been four hours allocated to these heads to be debated. Bermuda House …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. M r. Chairman, I am grateful for the opportunity to lead this debate and present the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Heads 93, 27 and 29, Mini stry of Home Affairs Headquarters, the Department …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Point of information. Point of information. Point of information.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. POINT OF INFORMATION
Mr. Walter H. Roban Just for the record and for clar ity, MP Pe ttingill is no longer a member of that group.
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: That is fine. I said the group had constituted those members. So, if changes have happened, then we accept and acknowledge that for the record. Labour Advisory Council [LAC] subcommi ttees. Concurrent to the work done by the IRWG, the LAC was asked to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to contribute to this debate? I recognise Mr. C. W. D. Brown, Shadow Mi nister, Home Affairs, f rom constituency 17. You have the floor, sir.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, let me first of all thank the Honourable Minister for her presentation. It is an exercise in brevity, and I would hope that all Ministers at all times would adopt such a course to allow for a substantive amount of time for debate. Let …
The Chairman Chairman A lot of paper .
Mr. Walton Brown Right, a lot of paper . I have heard a story of one particular employer, they have about 300 work permits. They have to have a truck to deliver their work permit applications. I know that is an urban tale, but that is the story I was told.
The Chairman Chairman Urban legend. [Laughter]
Mr. Walton Brown An urban legend. They had a truck to deliver their work permit applications. And it seems terribly inefficient in 21 st century Bermuda, right, one of the primary offshore financial centres in the world, who are supposedly so tied in with technology, that we have not figured out a way …
The Chairman Chairman Which line item are we referring to, sir?
Mr. Walton Brown We are referring to I mmigration policy. If you read the mandate of the Department of Immigration, it has a clear set of policy directives. And as the Minister spoke to the Comprehensive Immigr ation Reform Working Group, without comment from the Chair, I too am referring to the origins …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, take your seat. Go ahead, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I think that the Honourable Member is perhaps mixing apples with oranges in this instance, because the mandate that was given to the Labour Advisory Council was not that they would be having …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Honourable Member. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Walton Brown: Well, I thank the Minister for that comment. But I think we are saying the same thing. The only issue that the Minister was focused on was the frequency of meetings. They do not meet as fr equently …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is not fair.
Mr. Walton Brown Okay. Maybe it is not fair. But that is the truth. They do not meet as frequently as we do. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton Brown Okay. Maybe it is not fair to them [but do not take it very seriously then. Okay, fine. But I could tell you one thing, Mr. Chairman. They have not produced anything in a year. That is a fact. So, let us assume they take it seriously. Let us assume …
Mr. Walton Brown What was that? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton Brown Right. I have not even had a three- week vacation in 20 years. So, when you come here for three months and you are a labourer, that should be an alarm bell. Okay? But let us go after the employers. So, what I wil l say is that you cannot …
Mr. Walton Brown Government contracts should be a given, as well, exactly. Right. There was a hotelier who used to routinely . . . I do not know, it was some hotel down in the East End. I cannot remember the name right now. He would bring in people to do renovations. And …
Mr. Walton Brown Okay. He is being modest today; so other people have talked. If I did not mention his name he would have been upset. Now I am mention-ing it and he is saying other people. Yes. Rolfe Com-missiong initiated that campaign for a living wage. Let me give him full credit. …
Mr. Walton Brown They built houses. The tips were just something on top of it. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton Brown We have changed it now. We have gone, you know . . . people get offended when I refer to sort of . . . my leader gets offended when I talk about Marxism and the economy. [Laughter]
Mr. Walton Brown But Karl Marx talked about the commodification of labour. When you just look at ev erything as a commodity, which with volume can go down, that is what we have done. We have looked at labour as a commodity. The wages have just gone down. Benefits have gone down. [Inaudible …
Mr. Walton Brown I am showing my ag e, yes. Benefits have gone down. But at what price? And then you hear the lament that nobody wants to work in hospitality. My father was a proud bartender. He made good money, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, right up until he passed in the early 2000s. …
Mr. Walton Brown Netherlands. Good for you. Who in their right mind is going to want to leave Bermuda, Horseshoe Beach, and go and live in Birmingham? And then go and try to finagle with the system to extract benefits? So you can get £ 50 for groceries and your rent paid, living …
Mr. Walton Brown Right, right. They were sent on the Regiment’s jet down to Jamaica. Right. Right. So, this is sort of tangentially related, but it is an important issue for the country because it has f inancial repercussions for us and it falls under the Government. And that involves four stranded individu-als …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I would ask the Premier to . . . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we adjourn for lunch. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay. The House will adjourn for lunch and will resume, at 2:00 pm, with Heads 93, 27 and 29. …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon. We are resuming the debate on the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Heads 93, 27, and 29. The Minister made her presentation. I believe the Shadow Minister is on his feet. Shadow Minister Brown, would you like to continue? And just for clarity, we end at four o’clock …
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am grateful for your permission to proceed. I have touched on many of the key areas I wished to speak on, Mr. Chairman. And there is just one remaining topic that I would like to raise for the Minister’s comment and response to it. And …
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you. It is hogwash! That is more polite than other words I might . . . okay. So we will say “ hogwash. ” The British know very well that there has not been a single overseas territory passport that went missing through some lack of intervention or lack …
Mr. Walton Brown Well, it is a better choice in terms of parliamentary language than some other words. But I did not know until the Minister said earl ier today that the actual issuance of passports is farmed out to a private agency. I am happy to be corrected on that, but I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Shadow Minister. Does any other Member wish to continue this debate, speak to this debate? I recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Rolfe Commissiong. Mr. Commissiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is Rolfe, not Ralph.
The Chairman Chairman I stand corrected.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong It is all right. It happens. Mr. Chairman, I too want to just turn some attention to the lead Head, if you will, of the Ministry of Home Affairs. And within that, of course, we know that the Minister did speak to the formation of two sub-committees, one of which …
The Chairman Chairman A lot of time.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Okay, a l ot. [Laughter]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Okay. So , I am going to go to Head 29 now, because I think this is a very interes ting area. And I am not going to use up a lot more time, but certainly the Minister can then come back, and then we, both the Shadow and I, …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Okay. [Pause]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong We on this side of the aisle think that, particularly as it relates to intellectual property (again Head 29) , the Minister mentioned about the fact that the Registry General has the ch ief pr edominant responsibility of managing intellectual property with respect to the government. The question I have …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Let me pose a couple of questions that I think will help us get past this impasse that I am imposing right now or that I am reflecting. The first question I would have is , What plans are in place to advance Bermuda’s interests in establishing the Island as …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong On page 11 again of the same document, Mr. Chairman, we are talking about Vision 202 5: The People’s Budget , and I am going to sound a little redundant here because I have just mentioned one or two of these innovative ideas we think can accrue to Bermuda if …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak at this point? Minister, it looks like there are no other Members at this stage. Would you like to give a response? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I would like to provide some responses to the questions …
Mr. Walton Brown Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, we will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Walton Brown Well, the Minister is misleading the House, because I have been very clear and con-sistent in my support for both civil unions and samesex marriage. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Well, if I can just remind the Honourable Member —
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you can continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. If I can just remind the H onourable Member that he indicated that he would not support the Civil Union Bill because he believed in full same- sex ma rriage. So that was the position that was put at that …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, as you take a look at your note there, just yield for one moment. I just want to acknowledge the fact that we have one of the Youth Parliament pages just joining us. I believe it is Candace Paynter , and she is a third - year stu dent …
The Chairman Chairman We would like to welcome you here for the afternoon session. Minister, you can continue. [Debate on Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs, continuing] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I just wanted to point out that, you know, we realise that this is a challenge that we are …
Mr. Walton Brown Point of clarification. Or — [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Yes. We will take your point of clarif ication; go ahead. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Walton Brown I think it is a point of clarification. Will the Minister, or is the Minister prepared to commit to underwriting the expenses for them to go to a third country if a third country can be identified that will take them?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister, would you like to respond? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I would be happy to respond. I cannot make that commitment at this particular point in time. Certainly, if such a situation, such a scenario presents itself, it is something that would, obviously, have to be discussed …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Minister. Would any other Member like to participate? We have just over an hour, and we end this debate at 4:12. I recognise the Deputy Leader of the Opposition. Mr. Walter Roban, you have the floor.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Prior to my going to discuss some points in relation to the budget, which begins on page B -310 for Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs, I would just like to perhaps make a suggestion to the Minister that, in light of the Minister’s response in …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Well, outside of the United States, which I think we are quite clear at this point does not have a very flexible position when it comes to immigrants . . . but there are other countries that are more flexible that have established Uighur communities. That would be one place …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes, Immigration. I am on page B-316, which is under Immigration, Head 27, Mr. Chairman, to the Minister. I see that the staff complement has not changed. Now, in light of the fact that I see also, and I note on page B -319, under Compliance, the number of investigations …
Mr. Walter H. Roban I am hearing from a colleague of mine that it was free. But I am certain that the Minister will give perhaps an update when she answers some questions on that. My other few questions that I have, Mr. Chairman . . . Bermuda House of Assembly How much more …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Oh, okay. All right. I cannot promise that I will speak any longer up to that time, but I will try and put a few more minutes in. Perhaps someone else will stand to [fill] the gap. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Walter H. Roban Oh, great. So, I can perhaps, after I submit my few questions, sit down and som eone else will happily add to the discussion on this particular Ministry . Page B -320, [cost centre 39010, Intellectual Property Registry], which I believe is under the Regis-try General, I note that on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments. Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister, you have the floor to respond to some of the questions that have been put to you. And then I believe another Member would like to speak after that. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: There is still …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for those comments, Mi nister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Shadow Minister, Mr. Brown. You have the floor.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Honourable Minister just said that, by way of an update, the UK are now reviewing the applic ation for naturalisation for three of the four Uighurs. I guess my question would be, Given the UK insistence since 2009 that there is absolutely no legal procedure …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Shadow Minister, is that it? Any other Member? Minister, we recognise you. You have the floor. [Pause] The Cha irman: Mr. Commissiong, did you want to ask your questions now? Yes, go ahead and ask your questions.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you. Quickly, I just want to say that it is good news to hear from the Honourable Minister that the Labour Council Subcommi ttee on the Living Wage will tender its report on March 31 st. You know, we have got to find some way to halt the race …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Commi ssiong. Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Honourable Member , I am going to come back to you . . . just put a pin in that last question that you had be-cause I am not sure that you made it very …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, for yielding. Mr. Commissiong, the f loor is yours.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, earlier I had talked about the Register General in terms of moving it forward in terms of, you know, positioning that office for the 21 st century, enhancing our competitive and str ategic advantage. Implementing things like a Digital Intellectual Property Register, one, which we have been touting, and …
The Chairman Chairman Ming. Hon. Michael J. Scott: —Ming, sorry, Dr. Ming?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Yes, let me just say that, in response to the last question, we actually, through the department, through the Permanent Sec-retary having made contact with a company who, in turn, have made contact with a company who …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you still have about four minutes, but if you wanted to wrap up— [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I have indicated that if she wants to wrap up, she can wrap up if she likes. If you want to go ahead and move your heads, unless there are . . . I believe there is another Member who wants to speak, hold on. Mr. Commissiong, you have …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, and this may be . . . I will divert. It is 20 seconds. This may be a little bit r edundant, it has probably been answered already, I just thought that the . . . can you explain why we have the Minister of Economic Development apparently leading …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister, you have the floor again. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, have you ever taken on more work than . . . if you can pass it on to somebody else? [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: No, I think there is obviously some good reason …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the Minister for that comprehens ive brief that we were given. It leaves little wiggle room over here, but I will endeavour. Mr. Chairman, when I am talking about Head 50, the Ministry Headquarters, it is a curious thing. This was a new …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain But as it stands now, it is almost a useless sy stem. We have talked about the ability to submit plans, to submit revisions digitally for years now —for years, even stretching back to the previous administration. I , for one, am very happy to see that we are finally …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain The former Minister came up with that? Okay. Well, we can thank the former Minister.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, no, no, no, no, no.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain But we have come up with this new policy and this new initiative to promote the Railway Trail, you know, as a tourism feature—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The Rail Trail.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain —the Rail Trail as a tourism feature, but we have cut the budget. And we have al-so tendered out a project that says, for selected portions of the railway trail. So I am just wondering, what selected portions are we talking about and what is going to happen with the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The Railway Trail.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain The Railway Trail. Can we say Railway Trail?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The Rail Trail.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Now, when I turn to page B - 170, [cost centre] 78055, and we are talking about Tulo Valley. Now, Tulo Valley, again, was one of those apartments that was funded but the money was not spent. It was funded last year, $526,000, and only spent $367,000. This year the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Use that one.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain We use this one? This one actually has almost no information in it that the [Budg-et] Book has. Just about every category has “N/A” [not applicable] . So I am not sure what is going on there. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Everything has been ca ncelled out to say “N/A” . . . even previous years say “N/A.” So, I was wondering, how can we not know what happened in previous years? But when we look at the performance measures, and I just wonder, Well, what happened here? because Tulo Valley …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who said anything is wrong?
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain What? Am I . . . okay. Well, the Minister can answer that when he stands up. So, I would like to know what is going on with the failing to rely on Tulo Valley. And the former Minis - ter says that the . . . (my reliance is …
Mr. Diallo V . S. Rabain And why isn’t it applicable? Why don’t we have target outcomes? The Minister talked in his brief about all of these wonderful pl antings that are going to be taking place, et cetera, so you should have some idea of what we plan to pr oduce out of Tulo Valley. …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Because when I look at Tulo Valley, I wonder, you know, here is a place where . . . they do propagation, they do growing and stuff. This could be a perfect learning tool for people who are interested in this sort of field that could be done through Government. …
Mr. Diallo V. S . Rabain I do not know if anyone is listening; I hope I can get some answers to those questions. Why not use the centre for training and to boost productions rather than a decrease? [Crosstal k]
Mr. Diallo V. S . Rabain Once again, a decrease in funding is noted for Botanical Gardens, page B- 170, [cost centre] 78065, by some $65,000. But when we look at the performance measures, they go up. This I just do not understand. We expect more tourists, we expect more plants to be planted but we …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Now, talking on Parks, B - 170. Again, I am back at 7805—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [Page] B -170?
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain B-170, 78030. We are ref erring to Eastern Parks at this time. I do not know about you, but I know the previous Minister and the current Minister do not live in the east. [Inaudible i nterjections]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain That is not east, that is central. You will notice tha t the parks in the east . . . you know, I live right next to Shelly Bay Park, and I walk through there. I run through there. It is always overgrown. The trash cans [are] overflowing, and all …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain And [this was] confirmed by the Minister’s brief, where he said that there is a cha llenge in keeping the parks clean and emptying the garbage cans and stuff. I reiterate that the parks have been in dismal condition over the last year or so. Garbage cans overflowing, this can …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain If you look at [programme] 7906, Pollution Control, and below that, [cost centre] 89100, if we go over to the budget for this year, and then right next to the column, the amount different from the year before, I am hoping that is a typo. B ecause the budget has …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is a mistake.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Is the Minister or the ex - Minister answering? [Crosstalk ]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Now, notwithstanding the announcement made this morning, one of the biggest things that stands out that has been talked to me and I have been called constantly about it, and I r emember the former Minister saying that this was a headache of his, and the Minister before him, and …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Well, I do not have a licenc e to cull. I do not have a licence. But it was no more than five feet from the shore in water about two and a half to three feet deep. And it was a sight to see be-cause it was the first …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain It was on one of the last pages, I did not note the page, but he did talk about registered home gardeners and hobbyists. So I was just wondering if we could get a little more detail on what that programme is. I am sure there are a ton of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain How much time do we have left?
The Chairman Chairman You have got about 30 minutes. Would anyone . . . yes? The Member fro m constituency 26.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Madam Chairman. I do want to give the dual Ministers over there opportunity of answering the questions and not just the shake of heads that they have been giving us t oday. Madam Chairman, let me first of all say that I am referring to Head 68, page …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would anyone else like to speak to the heads? Okay, Minister, you may take the floor. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Okay. I want to thank the Members for their questions. There were quite a few questions that MP Rabain asked, so I will try and hit …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Rail Trail. [Laughter] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: The Rail Trail is a marketing effort. Anyway, the tender has been awarded to several contractors I hear . The Railway Trail was used as a promotion in an event at Shelly Bay two Sundays ago, actually. The weather was not that …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Member, from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just a few questions on this particular Ministry of the Environment, Head 50, but my main question is under Head 68, a couple of questions under Parks. I would just like to say, as a former Minister of the Environment, I was always very proud of …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Well, I am not going to listen to the former Minister, I am interested in hearing the a nswer from the current Minister. And as far as I am concerned that is chirping, it is not an actual . . . him actually officially answering. So, Madam Chairman, I will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister, would you like to take the floor? [Pause] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will go back to the question about the Ag Show. The $65,000— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: All right. $75,000. The $75,000 is to pay for …
The Chairman Chairman Time. Thank you, Minister. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Patience, Members, patience. Hon. Sylvan D . Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. And with that I would like to move Head 50, Head 32, Head 68, and Head 79 for the Ministry of the Environment.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 50, 32, 68, and 79 be approved. Is there any objection to the motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of the Environment, Heads 50, 32, 68, and 79 , was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. That concludes all the debate of the heads. I would now like to move the Appropriation Act 2017. Madam Chairman, I would like to move that the following heads be approved as printed: Heads 1, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98, …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the heads be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Heads 1, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98, 101, 12, 26, 84, 96, 3, 74, 75, 11, 12, 28, 38, 59, 69, 72, 18, 19, 39, 46, and …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for Financial Year 2017/18 were considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed.] Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the approval be reported to the House. Agreed. [Gavel] House resumed at 8:16 pm [Hon. K.H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member s, the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2017/18 have been approved. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Finance. BILL FIRST READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I am introducing a Bill entitled the Appropriation Act …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Thank you, Minister. Please carry on. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I move in accordance with Standing Order 28(5)(1) that under the provisions of Standing Orders 41, 12, and 42 the remaining stages of the Bill entitled Appropriation Act 201 7 be taken forthwith.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any objections to that? Carry on, please, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled Appropriation Act 2017 be now read a second time in the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? Carry on, Minister. BILL SECOND READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker , I move clauses 1 to 6, inclusive, together with the Schedules A, B, and C as printed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any objections? Minister, carry on. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 together with Schedules A, B , and C passed.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: All right, Mr. Speaker , I move the p reamble. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Any objections to that? Carry on, …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? There are none. Carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. It has been moved that the Appropriation Act 2017 be passed. Any objections to that? The Bill is passed. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Minister. MESSAGE TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATION ACT 201 7 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the following message be sent to the Senate. And the message is: “To the Honourable President and Members of the Senate: The House of Assembly has the honour to …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. Are there any objections to that? Honourable Members, the message will be sent to the President and the Senate. Thank you, Minister. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker That concludes our Budget Debate. And Order No. 2 is carried over. Order No. 3 is carried over. Order No. 4 is carried over. And the Chair will recogni se the Minister of Finance , Minister E. T. R ichards. You have the floor. BILL SECOND READING COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? Please carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government wishes this Honourable House to give consideration to the Bill entitled the Companies Amendment Act 2017. This Bill provides for a revenue raising measure in support of Government’s 2017/18 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Minister of Finance. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much and good evening to you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I note the Minister’s comments and they largely reflected the same comments that he made when he delivered his Budget Speech on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. But I think that the record should record, Mr. Speaker, that this is seemingly …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, thank you very much, Honourable Member. Are there any other Members who would care to speak? There are none. So, Minister of F inance? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are making an amendment to essentially carve out companies, current companies that …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. E. David Burt: Could the Minister please just clarify . He said there are 40 companies that have a physical presence; those are the ones that will not be taxed? And if the Minister could give the revenue es-timates on the change?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, I do not have the dollar figures, unless my FS can give it to me, but I think it is certainly less than 10 per cent, all right? So with that, Mr. Speaker, I would move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. It has been moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? So, I will ask the Deputy Speaker, please. House in Committee at 8:37 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The Chairman Chairman We are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Companies Amendment Act 2017 . I call on the Minister in charge. Finance Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend …
The Chairman Chairman Then Member, my recommendation is that we move clause 1 and then we will go to the amendment. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Right.
The Chairman Chairman So if there is no objection to that, any Members want to speak to clause 1? If you would mov e clause 1. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, I move clause 1, it is just the citation.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 1 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 1 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Now we can go on to the amendment. Does everyone have a copy of the amendment? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I think they will pass it around.
The Chairman Chairman Members, Members, do you have a copy of the amendment? Yes, okay, thank you. Please proceed. AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 2 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, Madam Chairman. In clause 2 we omit the words “subparagraph (d)” to the end and replace them with the following: “Delete subparagraph (d) and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I will just make for the record the same points I have already …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? There are no other Members. Minister . Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I might answer that question, the answer is none, because what we are antic ipating, Honourable Member, is that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, that [question] solicited an . . . elicited a response that I was not expecting. So, the Minister is saying that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I have given my reason; the Honourable Member just disagrees with me. It is as simple as that.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I was hoping that the Minister could answer the first thing that came from his answer last time. It is, just to clarify, that the Ministry of Finance is expecting that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, we are—
The Chairman Chairman Ah! The Chair recognises the Mini ster. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We are anticipating that some companies may pick up stakes and leave, yes. But what we are trying to do here is the companies that really have a physical presence . . . we do not want to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 21.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I mean, if the Minister concedes that we are going to have to defend these companies on an ongo-ing basis as the heat behind . . . the temperature around this issue, globally, continues to grow . . . I mean, should the price of …
The Chairman Chairman Twenty -five thousand dollars.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Twenty -five thousand dollars? In my view, I think that would send probably a stronger message to our growing number of global detractors.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, the cost has gone up over 10 times, so I think that is enough for one year.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 21.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I think the Finance Mini ster’s answer is too cavalier and he is acting far too conservative here. These companies are laundering . . . not laundering, they are indulging in tax avoidance to the tune of billions of dollars. So, if they want to maintain the privilege of having …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members t hat would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, Madam Chairman. I sympathise with the Honourable Member, but I think that we have raised enough eyebrows with this …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 2 as amended be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 2 passed as amended.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards : Madam Chairman, I move clause 3 which is the commencement.
The Chairman Chairman Clause 3. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clause 3, which is the commencement? There are no Members that would like to speak to clause 3. The Chair recognises t he Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move clause 3, please.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 3 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 3 passed.] Hon. E. T. (B ob) Richards: I move the preamble,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. The Chai r man: It has been moved that the Bill be reported to …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, the second reading of the Companies Amendment Act 2017 has been approved as amended. And we move on to Order No. . . . Order No. 6 is carried over. So we move to Order No. 7 which is in the name of the Minister of Finance as …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? Please carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Bill, entitled the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017, is to put into place additional components of a framework for the audit profession activities in Europe. The Bill represents the final …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Finance Minister, D. Burt. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker , and I thank the Minister for his brief on this particular item. Mr. Speaker , I have …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Leader of the Opposition. Any other Honourable Member care to speak? Then the Chair will recognise the Minister, Minister Richards. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker It has been moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? Deputy, if you will please take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 8:50 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL Bermuda House of Assembly BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 . I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think that …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that m otion? No objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Clause 1 is the citation . Clause 2 amends section 2 of the Interpret ations. This clause states that the principal Act is amended in section 2— the Interpretation …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 3? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: And I thank the Minister for reading the wonderful long Explanatory Memorandum. I had read it prior to this debate and we have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to any of the three clauses? There are no other Members. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I would like to move clauses 1 through 3.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] 1518 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I would …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Preamble be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Commi ttee of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member s. The second reading of the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 has been a pproved. And we now move to Order No. 8, the second reading of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017, in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister of F inance, …
The Speaker The Speaker Keep it down a little, you guys. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Accordingly, the Bill pr oposes to introduce a new end- use duty relief for all goods imported for local commercial manufacturing with a low 5 per cent concessionary rate. Mr. Speaker, the new relief is intended as an …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Minister of Finance. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, as would be a f amiliar theme for this evening, however, I believe this might be …
The Speaker The Speaker I tell you, Honourable Member s, I do not like backs. I do not like backs at all. So if you ar e going to be in this House, I need to see your front, not your back. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker , what I would say also …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Trimingham’s. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Trimingham’s. We don’t have any Triming ham’s anymore. But it could be Mr. Cri sson— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: It could be Mr. Crisson. It could be a few people who sell a whole lot of goods that might …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Boyle’s. Hon. E. David Burt: Or Boyle’s. You can just get your taxes rolled back, real simple—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Or Dunkley. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Or a Dunkle y. I heard that one. I hear a lot of calling from the side. All I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, is those Ho nourable Members will have plenty of opportunity to get up and defend your Government’s record …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member , speak to the— Hon. E. David Burt: It affects everyone who delivers items, Mr. Speaker, because if you are in the food business or if you are in any other business and all of a sudden the taxes on the gasoline that you use to transport items …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Groceries. Hon. E. David Burt: Or your milk. An Hon . Member: Your Cheerios. Hon. E. David Burt: Or your Cheerios at the store. So, Mr. Speaker , this is a challenge. And with these increased Excise Taxes one of the things which I spoke about before is we understand …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, you know, do I have to ask people not to speak out loud? I do not mind people speaking, but not so I can hear you. Carry on please, Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, we will have further discussion, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Member from constituency 29, MP Zane De Silva. You have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off where the Honourable Opposition Leader Burt finished and …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member s. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, Mr. Speaker , I can assure you. I think I spend a little bit more time with seniors than the Honourable Finance Minister does and I can assure you the feedback is they were offended! They were offended by …
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable Member from consti tuency 28. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member from constituency 28, I am sure, would tell you that with his little experience in the construction industry he knows what I am talking about because we know that in the construction and landscape …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You need to declare your interest. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I declared my interest 10 times already.
The Speaker The Speaker He already did. Wake up. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Come on, if you are going to . . . Minister, if you want to make that comment you had better pay attention. Stop sleeping. Wake up! Now, Mr. Speaker, if that is not bad enough that we are …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There you are. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —we have to look at i ncreasing— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will tell you what. I will increase my price before I let go of staff. I have done that too, Mr. Speaker, I have to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, MP Wayne Furbert. You have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, the One Bermuda Alliance prom ised this country in 2012 when they said, O ur mission is …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. No, no, I just like to know what the source is. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The highest in the world— 146.19— we have . . . I mean, we are in a league all by ourselves. All by ourselves. And it was the One Bermuda Alliance that promised …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Drinking water. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert:—having Perrier and Rose’s lime. [Inaudible interj ection s and laughter ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, the only . . . one of the persons I see who is getting a good tax break here is the Premier Dunkley.
The Speaker The Speaker Stay away from personalities, Honourable Member . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well . . . well, they were cal ling names all night so I just thought —
The Speaker The Speaker Stay away from — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It says goods for local commercial . . . I know, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Goods for local commerc ial manufacturing. Goods must be imported for and used only in local commercial . . . that is a tax break going down to 5 per cent. So these things here, Mr. Speaker, have to be a major concern …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 5, MP D. V. Burgess. You have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, the reduction in the payroll tax was certainly welcomed by all those that are …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 31, the Learned Member, MP Crockwell.
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell Thank you, Mr. Speaker . We have heard some passionate speeches tonight, some humorous speeches as well. It is a ser ious issue, and the Government finds itself in a conundrum. It found itself in a conundrum some years ago and it is going to be difficult to really strike …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Soft drinks.
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell It is soft drinks by a mile! By a mile, Mr. Speaker. And do you know what? I found out after having to do some research in relation to my own health how, I mean, my brother, we joke all the time. I have never been a big drinker. So, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, he did!
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell We know that. So, clearly, wine has got to be okay, Mr. Speaker, in moderation. Again, do your research and look over to countries like France and see their incidence of heart disease —very low. Very low. And they attribute it to their wine consumption there. And there is also …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13, MP Diallo Rabain. You have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Quite honestly, I was listening to the debate and I was not intending to speak, but I felt compelled because just listening to the speech reminded me of something. It reminded me of something from Febr uary 8 th, 2013. February 8th, 2013, was the …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member , you know you are supposed to . . . when you get to the bar, you bow your head. You have been in this House long enough— An Hon. Membe r: Yes, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker You should be setting an example for everybody else. Carry on, Honourable Member .
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . When I think about what the Honourable Member who stood before me said when he said he would not want to be the Finance Minister because of the difficult decisions he has had to make and I be-lieve, I could be mistaken, I …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain So, what else can we do? What else can we do to bridge that gap? And making it more difficult to live in Bermuda, financially, is not the answer. It cannot be the answer because it is just going to make that gap widen even more. Now, Mr. Speaker, we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member —the Minister. Minister Patricia Gordon - Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would just like to make a couple of comments in contribution to this debate. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member From who? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Payroll taxes — payroll taxes for the employees — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Payroll taxes for the employees as they earn their salary, they will pay tax on it. They will pay payroll tax. I did not talk about the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Learned Member from constituenc y 25, MP Mark Pettingill. You have the floor.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Thank you and good evening, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Minister who just took her seat made a comment about the tax impact on her because she does not drink. I want to go on record as saying —alcohol, I know what she means —and I do not drink any …
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill So, I am kind of caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to that. But, I have to stand. I would be remiss and my wife would beat me if I did not speak on this. It has been touched on but it is such a …
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Everybody knows that I am all you can go do what you want to, all righ t, that was my view. I am almost like a Portugal guy. Like, legalise drugs. Do what you want to as long as it does not do this: do not impact on me and …
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill You are going to need to have it. But nobody is going outside and taking a break from Parliament. They are going down the road to get a grape soda, I hope. And if they are, they better check in with what they should be doing. So, if we would …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much, Honourable Member . Any other H onourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Minister for Health, Mini ster Jeanne Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, several comments have been made with respect to the areas that have been …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Minister —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Sorry. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I will stop for a minute so that he can get to his seat. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker No, please carry on. You do not have to stop, Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: As I said, when anybody is ever trying to do something, you always have what I call this balance of . . . you are trying to raise revenue and at the same when you …
The Speaker The Speaker She missed what elasticity means. That is not elasticity. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: —having these commodities taxed is bearing in mind what it was doing to society. Tobacco— it was creating some very long lifetime illnesses from the point of view of once a person started to smoke at an …
The Speaker The Speaker So, where are you reading from? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This is from . . . this is a report that I get from CARICOM which is a report which came . . . let me just see . . . this was the . . . if I can …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable M ember . Any other Honourable Member . . . the Chair will recognise the Honourable Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I will start where my honourable colleague, the Minister of Health, left off and thank her for her participation in the …
The Speaker The Speaker They need to fill it with wine! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But go in there every night and that fridge is empty. So, I mean, somebody is drinking it. I do not see mice and rats running in there taking it out. But that is fine. That is our choice. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Or a truck full of soda. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Or a truck full of soda, the Honourable Member, opines out. Or Island Construction could be bringing that soda up to the Dairy in a 20-foot container —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And the driver could flop out. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, your drivers drink chocolate milk. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Cocoa powder! [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Less sugar! 1538 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Speaker The Speaker No elasticity at all. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No elasticity —Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe what a cigarette costs now. But people still put them there and you know they go down and they try to buy one cigarette at a time or somebody gets a pack and he sells …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Premier. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) R ichards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I do not recall in the time I have had this pos ition when customs duties have evoked such a lively discussion.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, it has been very interesting, Honourable Member . Taught me a little economics. Hon. E. T. ( Bob) Richards: Well, there has been a lot of reference about elasticity —
The Speaker The Speaker I hear this word “ elasticity .” Some pe ople got it mixed up, actually. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I think that maybe at some point during my remarks, I should explain to the public what that is.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, what elasticity really is! Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We are not talking about rubber bands here. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: In any case, I think my first remark here is that this is a Revenue Bill. This is not a Health Bill, it is a Revenue …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 1540 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister of F inance is misleading the House because the Honour able Minister of Finance will know that the budget def icit this financial year is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member . Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Budget deficits have come down every year under my administration and they will continue— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misle ading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister of F inance is again misleading the House. The budget def-icit in the last fiscal year was $160 million and this year it is forecast to be $212 [million]. He is mislead-ing the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister ? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the other side is not even qualified to talk about deficits. Not even qualified to talk about deficits. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: It is ridiculous. It is abs olutely ridiculous. So, let us look at Graph 15 in …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: But the social cost for excessive consumption of alcohol in this country is huge, as in many countries. We are not alone there. But the social cost of alcohol consumption is gigantic. So, I do not feel any compunction in raising taxes …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, now, Honourable Member s, you had your laugh. You had your laugh. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, you know, I apprec iate the Honourable Member’s concern about soda tax or sugar tax or whatever is being proposed. And I am sympathetic, but I …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. The Minister has moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? There are none. So, Deputy Speaker, would you please take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 11:3 2 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further considera-tion of the Bill entitled Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 . I will call on the Minister in charge to proceed. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Sorry about the delay.
The Chairman Chairman That is fine. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, Madam Chairman, this Bill seeks t o amend Customs Tariff [Act] 1970 and the Customs Duty (Special Remission) Act 1951. I think I would like to move clauses 1 through 3, initially.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been proposed that clauses 1 through 3 be moved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, Clause 1 is the citation. Clause 2 amends section 13(1)(b) of the pri ncipal Act, by replacing the words “any tariff …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 3? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I actually have a technical question and I was hoping you could advise, …
The Chairman Chairman Right. If that is satisfactory to the Mi nister? We will do clauses 1 through 2 right now. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Y eah, okay.
The Chairman Chairman So, are there any objections to—are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 2? There are no Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 2. Minister, if you would move those two clauses. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 to 2 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 1 and 2 passed .] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Are there amendments to the Schedule?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Pause] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: You have amendments to the First Schedule? Because there are lots of Schedules. This is the First Schedule.
The Chairman Chairman I believe that the amendment that we will have before us will be to the First Schedule. I am just waiting to have confirmation. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman I do not believe that the amendment affects the First Schedule. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minist er. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I have amendments to . . . I think we were kind of just going to amend the First Schedule on an omnibus basis, were we not? Yes. The Schedule . . .
The Chairman Chairman So, the amendments that were to be made are actually on the Schedule that we already have? They have already been done? So, we are not amending the Schedule, then. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The one that we tabled has got all of the amendments in it.
The Chairman Chairman All right. So, then, please proceed. We will go to clause 3. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, what about yours, Honourable Member ?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Pardon? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: What about your amendments? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, well, I will yield to you, then.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader —because quite honestly, the amendment I have before me, I have no idea where it comes. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 3 2203.000 and 2206.000 Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, that is okay. Madam Chairman, I rise to move the first amendment …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. I believe ever yone has a copy and — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Honourable Member , is this 2203 —
The Chairman Chairman [It is] 2203 — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: —and 2206?
The Chairman Chairman That is correct and it is on page 76 of the Customs Tariff Act 1970. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you did. [Inaudible interjections] [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Minister of Finance, do you need a copy of the Customs Tariff Act 1970, the page that is being amended? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The whole tariff?
The Chairman Chairman I have the original —just for your guidance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, okay. But the First Schedule is the whole book . It is not just that one page. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, the amendments to 2203 to amend the rate to $1.26 and the amendment 2206 to also amend the rate to $1.26, which were the former rates . . . the Government has no objection to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. So, to be clear, the amendment that we have, the Opposition amendment that we have to the Customs Tariff Act 1970 revises the line 2203 and 2206 from what the proposed change was of $1.88 reverting it back to the $1.26. Are there any Members that would like …
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I just think that the Government should be applauded for accepting this amendment, particularly because, you know, during the general debate . . . and I think the argument, really, we just have to be clear on what we are tr ying to achieve today. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. D e Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I would like to congratulate the two Independent Members for looking at these changes …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the revision to the—thank you. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I did not know it would be so easy to amend finance bills for revenue, but …
The Chairman Chairman As long as it is down. 1546 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: I guess as long as it . . . and when a minority Government brings new challenges so we see those things today. I thought it was very interesting …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. So, we will move on. I would call on the Finance Minister, if there are no other Members that would like to speak to clause—thank you— Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Are you not tabling the rest of your . . .
The Chairman Chairman We have to do this particular one first. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move the amendment to—
The Chairman Chairman Clause number — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards:—to clause 3, items 2203 and 2206.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been moved that the amendment to clause 3 be approved as it pertains to 2203 and 2206 on the Customs Tariff Act 1970 from $1.88 to $1.26. Any objections to that change? No objections to that motion. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Proposed amendment to clause …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 3 2710.120 and 2710.192 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I am ris ing to table another amendment and this amendment, I think, we might have a little voting on because I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Government does not support this amendment. We have to make our revenue targets, and while we were prepared to acquiesce to the last amendment, we cannot do that for this one for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 25.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Yes, I am obliged, Madam Chairman. Let me just indicate that . . . why I cannot find the position with regard to supporting this is the other one I think my colleague, Mr. Crockwell, has ri ghtly spotted that I could not stand the thought like we saw recently …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Do we have any Members that would like to speak to the proposed amendment? The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: So, thank you, Madam Chairman. I heard the honourable and learned colleague who just took his seat indicate the equivalency …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I am a little disappointed in our Independent Members and— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane …
The Chairman Chairman The Member from constituency 28 — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Constituency 28—certainly knows you cannot cut someone’s grass and trees and hedges and call a Ferry to pull them away. So, Madam Chairman, what I am saying to you is this: What you may not know and what …
The Chairman Chairman Remember, speak to the Chair. Do not worry about the side lines. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My brother and I have this argument all the time. He has got a boat as long as this room and, you know what, he has got it, he can afford it. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6 . . . he is taking his seat again. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, maybe the Minister can help me in terms of the levels appreciating that the cost of fuel has gone down, went down over the years appreciably, and now we understand that it is going back up—I do not know how much it has …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the proposed revision?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Madam, I am not going to be long, but I just found it incredulous that I would hear that Member say that he has no problem with t he raising of the duty on fuel, but yet only 20 minutes ago he was talking about the poor person at the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That was only two minutes ago.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you. I stand correc ted. So come one, now, I mean—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It’s been a long time.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes, exactly, again. But we know that these types of taxes are going to disproportionately impact upon the poor, working class, lower and middle income people of Bermuda, the people that he says that most of us have no idea how they live. But I will tell you one thing; …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the revision to clause 3? If there are no other Members that w ould like to speak to the revision to clause 3, the Chair would recognise the individual that placed the proposed amendment. Hon. E. David …
The Chairman Chairman We are going to put the proposed revision to clause 3 to a vote. All those in favour of the revision, say Aye. All those not in favour of the revision, say Nay. Ayes and Nays.
The Chairman Chairman The nays have it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, the Ayes have it.
The Chairman Chairman Very slow to the foot, but . . . well, we got three. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman I did. Thank you. You were very slow to the feet, but I will recognise you all the same. We have three Members standing to their feet, which results in having names called. So we will ring the bell and we will have three minutes. [Pause for the ringing of …
The Chairman Chairman The bell has now rung. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you everyone. Three minutes are up. The Deputy Clerk: Okay, Members, we are going to call the names, listen carefully . DIVISION [Proposed amendment to clause 3 (2203.000 and 2206.000) of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017] Ayes: 16 Nays: 18 Mr. C. W. Brown Hon. J. …
Mr. G. Smith Mr. J. Sousa The Chairman Thank you Members. The Ayes were 16; the Nays were 18. The Nays have it. [Gavel] [By majority on division: Proposed amend ment to clause 3 (2203.000 and 2206.000) failed.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think the Honourable Member has another . . . no? No other amendments. Okay. Excellent, exce llent. So, Madam Chairman, I would like to move clause 3 as amended.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has proposed that clause 3 be approved as amended. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 3 passed as amended.]
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. 1550 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Right. I would like to move clause 4, please.
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to do 4, 5 and 6 or are there any other changes? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, they are very long. Let me do 4 and 5.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any objections to moving 4 and 5? There are no objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Clause 4 amends the Fifth Schedule to the principal Act: (a) in CPC 4110, in the description for “Qualifying Goods”, by adding the next sentence “For …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clause 4? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I rise, Madam Chairman, to basically support the relief that we have seen here today in regard to the electric …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I thank our House Leader on this side for bringing forward that particular item. It is something that we had prepared an amendment for which we thought would capture …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clause 4? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I undertake, formally, to the Honourable Member , Mr. Lister, to bring that back in the next session. With those …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 4 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 4 passed.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. I would like to move clauses 5 and 6.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to moving clauses 5 and 6? There are none. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Clause 5 amends the Customs Duty (Special Remission) Act 1951: (a) by repealing section 7; (b) repealing and replacing section 8(6), thereby adding definitions for “exempted goods” and “locally manufactured goods”. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 5 and 6? There are no Members that would like to speak to clauses 5 and 6. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move those two clauses, please.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 5 and 6 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 5 and 6 passed .] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, we have the First Schedule, which is different from the original First …
The Chairman Chairman The new and amended First Schedule. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I would like to move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been . . . we are going to do the preamble— Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Oh, yes, the preamble. Yes, I move the preamble, excuse me.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move that the Bill be reporte d to the House as amended, please,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion c ar ried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed with amendments.] House resumed at …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourab le Members. The second reading of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 has been approved with amendments. We now move to Order No. 8 . . . sorry, Order No. 9, which is consideration of Supplementary Est imate (No. 2). And the Chair will recognise the Mini …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, thank you, thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will ask that the Deputy [Speaker] please take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 12:23 am [21 March 2017] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2013/14
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Sup-plementary Estimate (No. 2) for financial year 2013/14. It has been proposed by the Minister of F inance that the sum of $962,168 for the Ministry of Public Works be part of the Estimates as printed. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for 2013/14? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. You have the floor. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Listening to the explanation that was given just …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) 2013/14? No? I call on the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I appreciate the question. Tynes Bay is one of those areas that we have always …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplemen-tary before us? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Minister, so what you are saying is . . . I thought I heard …
The Chairman Chairman Yes? POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: The parts did not come out of nowhere.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, let us put it another way. So, in other words, you did not have parts in stock, so you bought the parts from a supplier. So now, so now, my question is you …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Again, we do not have a crystal ball and ma ybe the Honourable Member does, but there may be unforeseen situations that come up where we may have to spend. [It is] unlikely, but …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I have a little challenge with that, Madam Chairman, in that the Minister said they pay very close attention. So …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier : Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I appreciate what the Honourable Member is attempting to say. But if we do not invest that million dollars we will not make the revenue that is needed for those social programmes …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, just to be clear, Mi nister, so you are saying that the Hurricane was the cause of this. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplem entary? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Ma’am. I mean, we are here talking about a million dollar overspend and the Minister says he does not want to answer that question. He was the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I did not say it was a hurricane that caused the damage. I was giving an example of things that are unforeseen that can happen that will cost us money. We have supplementaries almost …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Supplementary Estimate (No. 2)? There are no other Members. I would propose that the sum of $962,168 stand part of the Estimates as printed and that covers all the Ministries under the Public Works . . . …
The Chairman Chairman That was under Head . . . so, we have now approved of everything in the Book as the remainder of the Heads were already moved as part of the debate. Thank you, Members. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2013/14 was considered by a Commi …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Members. The Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2013/14 has been approved. We now move to Order No. 10 which is consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15. The Chair recognises the Minister of Finance. BILL SECOND READING SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, thank you, Minister. If the Deputy [Speaker] will please come take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 1 2:37 am [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2014/15
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15. It has been proposed by the Minister of F inance that the sum of $2,607,702 stand for Head 36, Ministry Headquarters, under the Ministry of Public Works, and …
The Chairman Chairman In total, it is $2,607,702. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Madam Chairman, there is a second supplementary of conservation— The Chairman: You are going to do one at a time? Perfect. That is perfect. That is fine. Are there any Members that would like to speak to item 1 on the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, and thank you, Madam Chairman. I can understand the concern by the Honourable Member. I was not misleading. In my first par agraph, I said “and for inventory adjustment.” So, I mentioned both. Just to clear that part …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Madam Chairman, I was just a little confused by the statement made by the Minister. He said there was no recording at all …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, this is simply . . . I understand maybe his confusion, but this is a tec hnical supplementary here. We are trying to make sure that we get the numbers recorded for that fiscal year after having …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, I think your last line helped to bring some balance— Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: —in that, when you tried to respond to my colleague and you …
The Chairman Chairman Absolutely. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, you know, if you spent $200, you would know where it goes. If you spent $2,000, you would know where it goes. If you spent $20,000 you would know where it goes. The Ch airman: If I do not record it — 1558 20 …
The Chairman Chairman But if I do not record it . . . Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Well, you do not record it . . . Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, if you bought inventory, there is no way that you are going to get $2 million worth of inventory and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Again, we are attempting to account for items, unfortunately, that were not recorded within the fiscal year. I did say that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, you know —
The Chairman Chairman Member, let me just acknowledge you. I recognise the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you —
The Chairman Chairman There were two Members standing. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam, I do not know why when the Government gets in a jam they start blaming the former Government. This is from 2014/15. The last time we were in Government was in 2012. So, do not blame the previous Government …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I did not blame the previous Government. I said it was an issue of legacy that went back years while they were Government as well. It should have been cleared up even then. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, there is some confusion, because supplementaries means that we are spending additional money. I said supplementaries means we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You are wrong. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The supplementaries means that we are spending more money. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Point of order. Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I think maybe I should help the Honourable Member out. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, no. Am I misleading the House? Because—
The Chairman Chairman No, you are not — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: You are misleading the House, Honourable Member.
The Chairman Chairman Member, the Chair recognises the Finance Minister so that we can look at the fact that supplementaries are actually money that has already been spent. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: This money has already been spent. As I said in my prepared remarks we are not spending any more money. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Again, I stand to be correc ted. I know the Minister is not spending more money. That is what he told us. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is my point. I am asking what …
The Chairman Chairman The Supplementary that is before us. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Supplementary of what? We are not spending any money
The Chairman Chairman Money that has already been spent. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But this Honourable House has already approved it. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This Honourable House has already approved the money. [Inaudible interjections] 1560 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I will quote my Honour able colleague, you know, we can explain it to you, but we cannot comprehend it for you. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Madam Chairman, my only reason for rising at this point was to [provide clarific ation for] the Minister of Finance. The Minister of F inance just now when he was attempting to explain this matter away …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimat e (No. 2) item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. We have deer in headlights over there now after that revelation. Now, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other individuals that would like to speak to item 1 on the Supplementary Estimate? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency
The Chairman Chairman The chair recognises the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, a supplementary is for money spent, but not approved. That is what it is.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Is that a question for the Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Chair.
The Chairman Chairman Member, it should be a question for the Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Chair. You are supposed rule on this.
The Chairman Chairman I have already, Member . And it was . . . a supplementary is for money that has already been spent by a Ministry —has already been spent by a Ministry. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And not approved.
The Chairman Chairman And not approved, as the supplement is before us. Hon. Wayne L. Furber t: Right. Bermuda House of Assembly No, no, no, no. This is not supplementary. The Finance Minister and the Minister said these funds have already been approved; we are just making some adjustment. That is what they …
The Chairman Chairman It is a technical supplementary. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: What does that mean, Ma dam Chairman, a technical supplementary?
The Chairman Chairman It means that in order for the books to be . . . in my humble opinion, and I am not an accountant and never will pretend to be— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, we understand that.
The Chairman Chairman But you are, Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Would be that it is representing a value of merchandise in this particular case of parts that have not been put into a book that had been purchased. That is my — [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman You asked what my understanding was. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, the reason we are here discussing this is because this has not been approved. All right? So it has not been approved; but it has been spent. I want to correct something because the 2014/15 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members . . . the Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, it becomes a little bit clearer now that the Minister of Finance spoke up. But all this time it has been some technical supplemen-tary. All the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I move that Supplementary 2014/15 be approved for Public Works.
The Chairman Chairman For Head 36, Ministry Headquarters, Ministry of Public Works, a total of $2,606,021? It would be proposed that the sum stand part of the E stimates as printed. Any objections?
The Chairman Chairman No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 36, Ministry of Public Works Headquarters passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Would you please move to item 2? It is under Conservation Services, Head 65. Thank you. [No audible reply]
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed . . . go ahead, please make your proposal. [Cross talk]
The Chairman Chairman Yes, actually, because of the total , it is only $1,681.00, it comes under . . . so there is no need. So what we will actually do is . . . I am now going to— 1562 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman It is debatable?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, the way it is presented is right, because at that time Con-servation came under Public Works. So when you said at first it was $2.6 million, you were correct. That is why it is here.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ooh. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes it is.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We have already approved that.
The Chairman Chairman We have already done item 1, now we are down to item 2. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No, you do not understand. No, no, I am talking about item 2.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: It was a total of $2.6 million because it was under Public Works, because this here . . . this, really would not appear on the paper it would go under Conservation because it is under $250,000.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member All capital items are debatable.
The Chairman Chairman It is on item 2, it is a separate item. And with the two items together it comes to the total of $2,607,000. So right now, as it is on the line under Capital Development . . . sorry, as part of the Capital account, it is for $1,681.00. Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I rise before the House today seeking approval for additional funding of $1,681 above the approved budget for capital deve lopment, cost centre 75270, for the budget year 2014/15. The 2014/15 former Department of Conservation Services (DCS) had a capital development budget for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2 on Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 13.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Listening to the explanation of what the expense was for it seems like it was quite justified, especially when you are talking about the main tank at the aquarium, one of the main attractions at that [f acility]. And, as the Minister said, the tank …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2? There are none. It has been proposed that the total sum of $1,681.00 under Capital Development, minor works, Head 65, Conservation Services stand part of the E stimate as printed. Are there any objections …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members. The consideration of Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15 has been ap-proved. We are going to move now to Order No. 11, the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. Minister of Finance. BILL SECOND READING SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINAN CIAL YEAR …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Madam Deputy Speaker. House in Committee at 1:12 am [21 March 2017] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2015/16
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. It has been proposed that the sum of $122,801 stand for Head 65, the Ministry of the D epartment of Corrections. I call on the Premier. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for F inancial Year 2015/16? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Madam Chairman. My only question is can I have a breakdown of what those minor works were, as to what that money was spent on? Was it only the CCTV that it was spent on? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walter H. Roban Okay, nothing else? Okay. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary before us? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I just want to be clear. The Premier said, I think he said it was a TAF for $350[,000], …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, the record is not too clear, though, because all those projects the Honourable Member mentioned were over budget. If you will look, as I have said, the last thing before I sat down, second to the last thing, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29 (he was faster on his feet, sorry). Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, thank you. I just need to clarify. The Premier said that they were under budget. They were under budget for the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members who would actually like to speak to this [Supplementary Estimate]? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban I would like to speak to the Supplement, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member.
Mr. Walter H. Roban The Premier mentioned that this was going to assist with dealing with some of the outstanding and important security issues of safety and coverage of gaps. Is the Premier saying that this has assisted generally with dealing with some of those issues, or is there ongoing work that is still …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: For clarity for the Honourable Member from constituency 15, I did mention that. There has been a lot more work that has gone on since that time under separate projects. Bermuda House of Assembly But for the elucidation of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any individuals who would like to speak to the [Supplementary Estimate] before us? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Oh yes.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: For the halluciating [ sic] Premier, let me state—
The Chairman Chairman Ah, Member — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He called me “ hallucia ting”[sic], and you didn’t say a word.
The Chairman Chairman I’m sorry. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So I am just ret urning it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He didn’t say that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes he did! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, Madam — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes he did. I’m not deaf —
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, have a seat. An Hon. Mem ber: “Elucidate.”
The Chairman Chairman I know, “elucidate.” He meant to clar ify—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Clarify. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Hansard will have my comments, and I will prove him wrong once again. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He said “for the halluciati ng [sic] Member .”
The Chairman Chairman The word he used was to clarify —
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members “Elucidate.” Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Well, let me, let me . . . let me just clear him up. Let me just clear him up.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you. Let me clear him up. You see, the Honourable Premier said it was $350[,000] we knew it was going to be more. That was his word. When they put it out to bid he knew it …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary? There are none. Premier? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Ma’am, I move that.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It is proposed that the sum of $122,801 under Head 65, Capital Development for minor works under the Department of Corrections stand part of the Est imates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Members, the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16 has been approved. 1566 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly We move now to Order No. 12, consideration of Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2016/17. Minister of Finance, you have the …
The Speaker The Speaker Committee, yes. Madam Deputy Speaker. House in Committee at 1:28 am [21 March 2017] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 1) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2016/17
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2016/1 7. It has been proposed that the sum of . . . and we are going to go by item numbers. It has been pr oposed for the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for F inancial Year 2016/17? There are no Members. Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, we are going to move on. The Chairm an: Okay. I would propose . . . it would …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Item number 2. The Chair recognises the Mi nister of Education. You have the floor. 1 Official Hansard Report , 11 March 2016 2 Ibid. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman, educ ation is fundamental to shaping a preferred direction for the future of Bermuda locally and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members who would like to speak to item 2? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 3.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Madam Chairman. I thank the Minister for his detailed comments. What I would say in terms of substitute teachers in particular where we are needing an extra $2 million, and though it is somewhat of an unknown fact, there are trends that can be looked at. If you …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My comment would be exactly what the Shadow Education Minister just said. But I would add this to it, because I think she touched on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, very much. I would like to basically support what the Shadow Education Minister has said. We could have studied the trends more closely in regard to the subst itute teachers. As for the paraprofessionals, that is …
The Chairman Chairman There is another Member who would like to speak, sorry. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, Madam Chairman, it has nothing to do with trends. Nothing to do with trends. And all the Ministers over there know that, particularly the Minister of Finance. The Minister of F inance tells you this is what …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2? T he Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I move Head 17.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of $3,358,208 for the Ministry of Education, Head 17, current account, which included substitute teacher s and paraprofessionals, stand as part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 17, Ministry of Education …
The Chairman Chairman Now we are moving to number 3, and that would be the Ministry of Tourism, Development and Transport for the proposed sum of $12,168,758. The request is for it to stand for Heads 48, 30, 31, 35, . . . sorry, no. That was just for one, that would be …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I was hopeful there for a minute, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman We have a lot of lines on that.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, we have an uphill battle here.
The Chairman Chairman A total of $15 million.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. Let us start by saying that the original est imate for the Ministry totalled $89,207,000 and the supplementary estimate of $12,168,000 represents about 13.6 per cent of the original estimate. I think as we get into it, Honourable Members will see that the bulk of the supplementary estimate is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 48, Ministry Headquarters, Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, $250,000? The Chair recognises the Leader of the O pposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, it is just …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. The technical supplementaries I was referring to were the two for basically the Bermuda Shipping and Maritime Authority and the Civil Aviation Author ity. Those are technical supplementaries, and we will get into those later. The Commission is, in fact, one where there was going to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Head 48? The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. The Minister just said he does not anticipate any more overspends this …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. Some fees have been paid. I am not sure off the top of my head what those are. But they do expect additional fees to be paid in the coming financial year.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Head 48? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just for clarification, because I am hearing comments of overspend. I think the only thing that can be classified as an overspend is because there was nothing budgeted originally for the Gaming Commis-sion because we did not have a Gaming Commission. So just to be …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons That is the concept. I think as the Honourable Member will well know the Commission was going to be funded originally, as I said, by a loan. The loan was unable to be completed because of technical issues with respect to the legisl ation, which have now been corrected. But …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to Head 48? There are none. It has been proposed that the sum of $2,500,000 for Head 48, current account, Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, Ministry Headquarters, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to move now to Marine and Ports, which is Head 30. We are looking at supplementary estimate here in two parts. The first is $637,096 for inventory parts ferries and tug, and the second is for fuel for $275,000. And this is for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members who would like to speak to Head 30, Marine and Ports on item 3? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, again, Madam Chai rman, I just have a challenge when the Minister says that, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think the Honourable Member makes a valid point. I think there was some issue and, as I said, this is not an area of expertise for me. But there was some issue of having the technical ability of being able to do this. I think …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I thank the Minister and the technical officers for that. As I do rebuild equipment on a yearly basis, I can appreciate that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons That is a good ques tion. I do not have the answer to that , but we will see if we can get an answer.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Marine and Ports, Head 30? There are none. It has been proposed that the sum of $637,096 for inventory parts, ferries and tug, for the current account for Marine and Ports, Head 30; and $275,000 …
The Chairman Chairman Once again, I call on the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. We are up to Head 31, which is Airport Operations, in the supplementary amount of $308,000. Madam Chairman, I think as Honourable Members will be aware, late in financial year 2015/16 the former BAS Serco Ltd contract with the then D epartment of Airport Operations was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the Head 31, Airport Operations? There are none. Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I move that that Head be accepted, I guess, or approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of $308,000 for Head 31, current account, redundancy payment, Airport Operations, stand part of the Est imates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 31, Airport Operations approved]
The Chairman Chairman Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. The next one is going to be Public Transport ation, Head 35, and there are two parts to this. One is overtime for bus operations at $1,282,818; and the second is essentially a supplementary for fuel est imated at $500,000. So, the original estimate for the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 35 Public Transportation supplem entary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just a question: I thought that we were close to achieving …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. Actually, we did touch upon this during the budget debate on the Heads. A new schedule was proposed by the Government , or by DPT , and, unfortunately, it was rejected by the Union. So, I am not sure we are back entirely to square one, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 35? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, just a quick question and wondering with this overtime, because you said it was part of the “Grey Schedule” and we did discuss the Grey Schedule being part of the school run, for the buses that were cancelled or did not make i t to the schools, did we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am getting a shaking of the head from the technical officers, so the answer seems to be, n o.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 35? There are none. Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Okay, let us see. We are down to Civil Aviation—
The Chairman Chairman If we could just have that one approved.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Oh, I am sorry. I move that the supplementary for Public Transportation be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of $1,282,818 over overtime for bus operations, Head 35, under Public Transportation and $500,000 for fuel under the same Head 35, Public Transportation, be part of the Estimates as printed. Any objection to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head …
The Chairman Chairman Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman, we are down to Head 57 which is Civil Aviation and this was a transition grant of $4,233,788. By way of explanation, in March of 2015, the Government took the decision to convert the Depar tment of Civil Aviation, Head 57 . . . actually, I …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that pr oposal? Please proceed the n.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons All right. I also move Maritime Administration which is Head 73. So, in March 2015 the Government took the decision to convert both the Department of Civil Aviation (which is Head 57) and the Department of Mar itime Admin istration (Head 73) from government departments into independent quasi- governmental authorities, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Heads 57, which is Civil Aviation, 73 Mar itime Administration supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I just had a question, Madam Chairman. If you flip over the …
The Chairman Chairman Actually, I am not going to flip over the page, so I can only focus on the ones in front of me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is the same thing.
The Chairman Chairman The two lines . . . I am talking about the two lines in front of us. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. So, do you have a question on those two lines? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that Head 57 for $4,233,788 and Head 73 for Maritime Administration $2,432,056 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of (and I am going to repeat) $4,233,788 for the Trans ition Grant under Head 57 current account Civil Avi ation be part of the Estimates as printed, as well as $2,432,056, Head 73, current account, Transition Grant under Maritime Administration stand part …
The Chairman Chairman We will now move to Item 4, Ministry of Public Works Headquarters. It is being proposed that the sum of $510,418 stand for the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters, Head 65, capital development, Hurricane Nicole, stand part of the Est imates as printed I call on the Minister. Hon. L. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 65 Ministry of Public Works Headquarters supplementary? There are no Members. Minister? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I move that it be accepted.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of $510 and $418 . . . $510,418 . . . (I am so tired) under the capital development Hurricane Nicole, Head 65 Ministry of Public Works Headquarters stand as part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been proposed that the sum of $3 mi llion under Head 65, Public Lands and Buildings, cap ital development, WEDCO Moresby House stand part of the Estimates as printed. I call on the Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 65 under Public Lands and Buildings, line item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Madam Chairman, we recognise the comments that the Minister made in refer-ence to there was no …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Is that what he said?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Yes, that is what the Minister said. He did say that. I clearly heard that. So, with that in mind, Minister, I was actually expecting to get a greater explanation as to why and what. What were the why’s and what ’s behind having to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I think that is a fair question. It was not within our capital budget allocation to do Moresby House; however, as WEDCO had made a request knowing that they were preparing for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, will the Minister please comment or explain as to the reason why WEDCO was given the money …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. We thought it prudent to participate in part of the restoration programme that was already going on and for their fiscal year they were seeing difficulty in being able to allocate that money …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency . . . the Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam. I guess I accept the Minister’s answer. But I am just a little bit confused. I mean, you guaranteed WEDCO to do that …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Really, it was a case of sitting down and talking with them. They had come to me and I thought that it would be a great opportunity for us as a Government to participate in some …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lis ter: Thank you, Madam Chairman. At the end of the day, Madam Chairman, it is one of those unforeseen, unexpected expenses that we …
The Chairman Chairman I should only be hearing the person who is standing on the floor. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: I will hold off that comment, Madam Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: But, Madam Chairman, the point I am driving home is this here: The capital grant that we give to WEDCO that comes from the gover nment funds to WEDCO stands at about $2 million for that particular year, $2.1 probably, and we have spent …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I need to ask the Minister a question.
The Chairman Chairman Please do. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know it is pretty late, but . . . did we give WEDCO $3 million? Did we giv e them a grant? Because this thing is capital development and we recorded it in our books as an expenditure and we fixed the house …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I was just looking for a little more clarification on that particular matter. Yes, it is an asset that sits on their books and will continue to sit on their books. I will say that we also looked …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Now, Madam Chairman, we have an asset that belongs to WEDCO. We have $3 million that came from the government …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. In addition to that, this is going to be for staf fing to go there. T hat is what they were looking at, and there is a promissory note attached to that. So, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognis es the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. So, it is going to be for staffing. When you say staffing, Minister, are you …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Well, yes, it is a promiss ory note. I mean, how . . . they will pa y it back. The terms and all of that will be sorted out. But it will be a payment back.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, it is a promissory note or it is not a promissory note? The Minister says that the promissory note is going to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Minister.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, that is a fair question. I do not have the details to that. But it was agreed by Cabinet that we would give this money to restoring the building and that we would recoup that money back. I will get …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, my question now goes to actually the physical location. The Minister indicated that the $3 million will now become an office acco mmodation for WEDCO …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I do not know the total numbers that are moving over, but the footprint . . . it was felt that where the offices are now they could probably, with the footprint that they do have, receive a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, le t us be clear. When this exercise is finished the current location where their headquarters are, upstairs of the Clocktower, will no longer house WEDCO, and the full facility operations all managed . . …
The Chairman Chairman If you will speak to the Chair, it will be a lot easier. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: My words, Madam Chairman: It is still a coin being tossed up in the air at this point. The Ch airman: Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane …
The Chairman Chairman You better believe it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I know you are proud of that. Okay. I give you a house, it is an old house. I say, Look , it is all yours . You say to yourself, Well, what am I going to do with it? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, at the end of the day the building will be rented and that is what will happen. It will be rented out and those monies we will be seeking to reco up. So, the building will be …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I am going to leave it alone, but I can tell you right now I remember PAC met with WEDCO —PAC, Public …
The Chairman Chairman Member, speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, Cabinet does not sound like they know what they approved. That is why my colleague is saying, we just gave the money but no note has been signed. By the way, when was this grant given? How long ago was …
The Chairman Chairman The supplementary is for 2016 — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, what part of this year? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: 2016/17. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, what is wrong with as king the question when was the money given? B ecause if it was January, I want to know why …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I do not know the exact date that it was given. I would say it was probably about four months ago that we agreed in Cabinet to go through with this. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? There are no other Members that would like to speak to Item 5. Minister? Minister? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry, thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that capital development for WEDCO Moresby House in $3 …
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of $3 million for Head 65, capital development WEDCO Moresby House from the Public Lands and Buildings stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, just one more point. You call …
The Chairman Chairman Member, I am reading— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know but it is all wrong .
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Any objections? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Ministry of Public Lands and Buildings passed.]
The Chairman Chairman We are moving to . . . if you flip over the page, again, Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for financial year 2016/17. It has been proposed that $1,408,225, capital development, Corporation of St. George’s Grant, Head 65, Tourism Department and Transport Headquarters be part of the Estimates as printed. I …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank y ou, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, as you said, this capital development piece is for the Corporation of St. George’s. It was a grant of $1.408 mi llion. The Corporation, as the Honourable Member who speaks for Finance suggested, requested capital funding to facil itate much needed infrastructure work …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Madam Chairman. Can the Minister give us the timeline on this particular capital work as it relates to the work that has been done on the dock ? What is the timeline? Is it . . . or when did it start and its expected completion?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. The work has already started. It is ongoing. I think they are obviously trying to get it done before the cruise ships start to come this summer which is May, I think.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You know, Madam Chai rman, I remember once upon a time when we had supplementary, when we were the Governm ent, and …
The Chairman Chairman Member, do you have a specific question for Head 65? 1580 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, what is going on? Why have we not planned for this correctly? It is r epairs to a dock, you know. Did …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think that the simple issue here is the St. George’s asked for assistance. The Government, obviously, was prepared to help. There were some i ssues, just in terms of having the original ferry stop at Penno’s Wharf. You cannot have cruise ships and the ferry …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Minister. Thank you, and again for the record, I would like to state it is nice to know that you all were having some of the challenges that we had and you …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? There are none. Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. There is a simple order of magnitude involved here and the amount of money, but that is a different issue. I would like to ask that the capital development of $1,408,225 for the capital development of the St. George’s be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the total amount of $1,408,225 under capital development, Corporation of St. George’s Grant, Head 65 for the Tourism Development and Transportation Headquarters stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Tourism Development …
The Chairman Chairman Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I am up to Item 7, which is a capital development grant for the Bermuda Airport Authority of $3,553,000. Actually, there is an issue. The Bermuda Airport Authority was only formed on the 12 th of March. So, technically, this was really Airport Oper ations. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott My question is did we really have to spend the whole $3.5 million? Because with this whole airport redevelopment, there are . . . some of those items that I am hearing could have been just done or passed on to Aecon since they were going to take over the …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I think this was the request. I think some of this stuff really needed to be addressed and perhaps it would be fair to say that they packaged all the stuff together. So, that was the nature of the request.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituenc y 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott When the Minister says “they” does he mean “they” as in Aecon, or “they” as in the Department of Airport Operations?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am informed that there was actually probably a longer list of things and apparently Aecon decided to take on the X -ray machine, but I think the rest of it had already been started to try and get the airport up to a state to …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott If Aecon was willing to take on the X -ray machine, which is probably the least expensive, like, for mould remediation, why would we not let Aecon take care of that if they are going to d evelop a whole new airport for us? I am not quite u nderstanding …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I think the answer to that is for the same reason we had to address mould issues in the building we are in right now, schools and the rest of it. I think nobody wants to work in a building which has got mould issues. And I think as far …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, so, we understand— mould, I can understand the mould and the fire codes. But, like with the apron lighting and stuff like that . . . because, remember, I was working down there at the time that they were installing this new lighting. I did not see that as …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. My notes say that they were required with respect to the airline apron lighting to meet international regulations for night -time flight operations.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would like to move the Civil Aviation . . . sorry, the Bermuda Airport Authority capital grant of $3,553,000 and ask that it be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that $3,553,000 under the capital development, Bermuda Airport Au-thority capital grant, Head 65, under the Tourism D evelopment and Transport Headquarters stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Bermuda Airport Authority Capital …
The Chairman Chairman Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. With the permission of the House, perhaps I could do the next two, Civil Aviation and Maritime Administration together?
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? 1582 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: They are both —
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons They are both tra nsition works. [Inaudible interjections]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you. I am grateful to that Honourable Member from . . . what is it, [constituency] 21?
The Chairman Chairman No, no, [constituency] 29.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons What? [Constitue ncy] 29? The Chai rman: [Constituency] 29.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons [Constituency] 29, okay. Yes, [constituency] 22 is standing right now , barely . Both of these involved essentially the work required to essentially establish external office loc ations for the Departments of Civil Aviation and Mar itime Administration as they transition in to new roles as quangos. And it is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to Items 8 or 9? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Since it is the last note and the last piece of this $25.5 million, I might as well add a little touch …
The Chairman Chairman It is written right in there. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, okay, my humble apologies. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is getting late. Like he was barely standing on his feet . . . I had to get on mine so that I do …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Items 8 or 9? The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you, thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that the Civil Aviation capital develo pment transition works of $500,000 and the Maritime Administration capital development transition works of $650,000 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been proposed that the sum of $500,000 for capital development, transition works, Head 65, under Civil Aviation stand part of the Est imates as printed; and $650,000 under Head 65, cap ital development transition works under Maritime Administration, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, so we had the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for [Financial Year] 2016/17 a pproved. And we now move to Order No. 13 in the name of the Honourable Premier. Premier Dunkley, you have the floor. MOTION MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE (SALARIES AND PENSIONS) ACT 1975 Hon. Michael …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any Honourable Member s who would care to speak to this motion? [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Premier? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I move that this motion be approved.
The Speaker The Speaker It has been moved by the Honourable Premier that the motion be approved. Any objections to that? Do I have objections? [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Nice try, Mr. Speaker . The motion is approved, just for members of the public who are listening, it means that the rem uneration …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkle y:—this year and next year.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, thank you, Honourable Premier. So, Honourable Members you will get the same pay you had last year.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I object! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker And the years before. Thank you. [Motion Carried: The Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Resolution approved]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members that takes us to Order No. 14, consideration of the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017, in the name of the Minister of Economic Deve lopment, Dr. Grant Gibbons. You have the floor.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I was about to say good morning, Mr. Speaker, but . . .
The Speaker The Speaker It is morning.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I will just move straight to the—
The Speaker The Speaker Good early morning. REGULATIONS CASINO GAMING (GENER AL RESERVE AND CASINO TAXES) REGULA TIONS 2017
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I move that consideration be given to draft regulations entitled the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017, proposed to be made by the Minister respons ible for Gaming under the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thanks. Yes. Carry on.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker You were going to mention about the drawing— 1584 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Yes, I was going to get into that just by way of an explanation. Mr. Speaker, you and Honourable Member s will recall that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Any other Honourable Members care to speak to this? Yes, the Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 31, the Learned Member MP Crockwell.
Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, it is late, and I have stayed here this late specifically to contribute to this debate. Therefore, since I stayed this long I am going to have my say. I will try to truncate it as much as possible. Clearly, I do …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable M ember . The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by thanking the Honourable Member that sits in another place, Mr. Jardine, for picking up …
The Speaker The Speaker [Page] 426? That was not talking about this Bill. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, no, it was part of it, yes, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Not this particular Bill, no. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, not this one—
The Speaker The Speaker That Bill was page 410. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We were talking about the gaming, the Gaming Bill.
The Speaker The Speaker [Pages] 406 to 410. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, the day that w e were deceived. That is the day I am talking about, Mr. Speaker , February 3 rd.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: February 3 rd, and I have got the printout, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes . . . no, but I am saying . . . what I am saying, Honour able Member , is that that is . . . what you are reading . . . if you are reading that page, that is reading from the discussion on the other regulations. …
The Speaker The Speaker Not this regulation. So understand that. Hon. Zan e J. S. De Silva: No, you are correct, Mr. Speaker . You are correct.
The Speaker The Speaker I know what pages it was on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Pardon?
The Speaker The Speaker I know what pages — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker —in the Hansard . Hon. Zan e J. S. De Silva: Yes, I have got it right here, too, Mr. Speaker. It is [page] 426.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Page 426 —and the Premier said it twice: “We need to get it right.” He said it twice. And on page 427, the Honourable Member from constituency . . . no, it was the Premier again. He used the word “no pushback.” “[I] …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? POINT OF ORDER [Reflecting on prior debate]
The Hon. Dr. E. Gr ant Gibbons The Honourable Member is reflecting on a debate which refers to a different set of regulations than we are dealing with right now.
The Speaker The Speaker I think the Honourable Member is co rrect. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker The Honou rable Member is correct in that regard, which is what I tried to— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker —to kind of — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I do know that, Mr. Speaker. But, you know, if we are talking about —
The Speaker The Speaker So, be c areful that you— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker —yes, on reflecting— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will try to keep that fine line—
The Speaker The Speaker —on that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will try to keep it there, Mr. Speaker, yes. But, Mr. S peaker, the Honourable Member —
The Speaker The Speaker Speak about it in general terms. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, okay. The Honourable Member from constituency . . . Well, I am finished with Hansard now, Mr. Speaker . I will put that down. I think the point has been made, and I think the Honourable Member …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? POINT OF ORDER [Reflecting on prior debate]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The Honourable Member continues to reflect on a different debate— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, I am talking about t onight’s regulation!
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member just be quiet.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons He was referring to you made a casting vote. You did not make a casting vote on this set of regulations. It was on a different set of regulations, which the Member is reflecting on.
The Speaker The Speaker Exactly. Thank you. So, you have to really . . . I mean, it is a very . . . it is a technical matter that you have to be able to use your language— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, all right.
The Speaker The Speaker —and certainly not reflect on this. Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: Thank y ou,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker If you want to make a point with regard to some things that you might not think are right, you can. But let us not go into what happened in that par-ticular debate because that is, in essence, reflec ting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Mr. Speaker . …
The Speaker The Speaker Ft. Lauderdale? What are you doing in Ft. Lauderdale? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, Mr. Speaker, I was getting a little . . . playing a little golf—
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Research! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Playing a little golf, you know, just as I do. That is why I was asked to sit on the board up at Port Royal some years ago, Mr. Speaker, because of my experience on the golf course, both with mac hinery and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 25, MP Pettingill. You have the floor.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Morning, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Morning.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill It is like Groundhog Day. That is how I feel, because we are going to stand up and here we go again where there is some significant voice given with regard to the concerns in relation to casino gaming in Bermuda, and all roads always lead back to the same …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm, mm
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill This is not what an indepen dent commission does. And like most of the Members over there right now, the Government is sleeping on this issue. And what I am here saying is that I want to be supportive of this. I want this to move forward. I have wanted …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Members care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Gra nt Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I thank the Honourable Members for their contribution. I think they have made a number of points. I am sure the substantive Minister will certainly hear about them and hopefully will take some of them on board. Mr. Speaker, I think Honourable Member …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No, I do not think that there was. There was — [Inaudible interjections]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, yes. So, I do not want to go all over the place. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to assure Members of the House that I did have a very careful look at Hansard in terms of what was said last time and I went back and I checked …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Are there any objections to that? So the regulations are approved and the message will be sent to the Governor. [Motion carried: Draft Regulations entitled the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regu-lations 2017 were considered by the whole House and approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker Order No. 15 is carried over. Order No. 16, I guess, is carried over? The Opposition Bill? So, the Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? Carry on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Sp eaker, I move that the Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Any objections to that? The Companies Amendment Act 2017 is passed. [Motion carried: The Companies Amendment Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, carry on with the next, the Second Reading of the— Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker— SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Again, I move that Standing Order [21] be again be suspended to enable me to read the Bill entitled the …
The Speaker The Speaker First of all, is the Bermuda Public A ccountability Amendment Act. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Oh, excuse me, yes. Sorry, thank you. Thank you for that, Mr. Speaker . Rule 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Carry on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AMEN DMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? So, the [Bermuda] Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 is passed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Public Acc ountability Amendment Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, carry on with your next Bill. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, lastly, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 be now read a third time by …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? Carry on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING CUSTOMS TARIF F AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Any objections to that? So, the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 is passed. [Motion carried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 was read a thir d time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker That takes us to the Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good morning, Mr. Speaker . I move that we now adjourn to May 12th.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. SEEKING BI -PARTISAN SOLUTIONS TO EMPLOYMENT ISSUES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I know it is early in the mor ning/late at night, but I do have one thing I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That sounds like TMI [too much information].
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Is that what you should be bringing up here? [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Honourable Member. Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: I cannot say she was a young lady, Mr. Speaker, because she is in her early 50s. 1594 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, the reason why I wanted to bring this up …
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Morning, morning. PAST AND UPCOMING PARLIAMENTARY SESSION Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, we have just fi nished what has been a long and lengthy parliamentary session, whic h of course started with carryovers from our last parliamentary session which ended with an incident that none of us have forgotten. …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you very much, Ho nourable Member, the Leader of the Opposition. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Premier. Mr. Premier — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Good morning to you and colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Morning. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, we have been having debate on issues for four and a half years now. Very clearly, we have been having debate on issues for four and a half years, and also we have been pushing back getting misinformation for four and a half …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Premier. Honourable Members, the House is adjourned to Friday, 12 May 2017. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker And Honourable Member s have a pleasant break.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You, too, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I will definitely have a pleasant break. [At 4:05 am [Tuesday, 21 March 2017], the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 12 May 2017.] 1598 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank]
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