The SpeakerThe SpeakerMembers should have received the Minutes of the 13th of March, which are to be co nfirmed unless there are any objections or corrections. Since there are none, the Minutes of the 13th of March 2017 are confirmed. The Minutes of the 15th and 17th of March have been deferred. …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENAT E
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, the Chair will recognise the Mini ster for Economic Development. Dr. Gibbons, you have the floor.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood morning. REGULATORY AUTHORITY ACTIVITIES AND AUDITED FINANCIALS REPORT 2014/15
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsMr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Regulatory Authority Activities and Audited Financials Report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you. PETITIONS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Honourable Members, we have one Minister who has begged to ask leave of the House to be able to provide a Statement, Mr. Ric hards. So the Chair will . . . j ust one second. Can we get the . . . The Clerk: Do we have the …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerDo we have copies? Bear with us, pleas e. [Pause]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay, Minister Richards. The Chair will recognise Minister Sylvan Richards. AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGARDING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you for your indulgence this morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issues of dogs and public safety have been raised in this Honourable House on …
Okay, Minister Richards. The Chair will recognise Minister Sylvan Richards.
AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGARDING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you for your indulgence this morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issues of dogs and public safety have been raised in this Honourable House on numerous occasions, most recently by my colleague, the Honourable Minister, Mr. Cole Simons, JP, MP, in June of 2016. At that time, he reminded us that the Dogs Act 2008 had been passed by this House to bring about better control of canines, more efficient and effective enforcement, and the ability to put cond itions of the keeping of individual dogs. But the 2008 Act also contains provisions that would lead us down an undesirable path where we would have weaker enforcement on some crucial aspects, such as breeding of dogs . We would not want to see an upsurge in the breeding of problematic animals. Thus, I wish to inform Members of this House and the general public that I have continued the work of my predecessor to 1436 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly amend the Dogs Act 2008, based on the recommendations of the Canine Advisory Committees and var ious stakeholders. The numerous amendments to the Dogs Act 2008 are in the drafting stage, and I antic ipate a much- improved piece of legislation about midyear, which will place this Government in a position to revisit the controversial br eed-specific policies. Mr. Speaker, you will be well aware that this Government, as well as former administrations, cat egorise dogs by breed into a prohibited, restricted or unrestricted breed. Despite no legal breeding of these dogs since 2003, the pit bull remains the most popular breed or type of dog of the prohibited category. A pit bull can have the temperament of a loving family pet, but also that of a fierce fighter. The breed continues to be the most problematic breed, causing injury at a rate far above the prevalence in the general canine population. The behaviour of the dog is not simply a question of the owner’s training or diligence. Mr. Speaker, illegal dogs are those dogs born outside of the authority of a Breeder’s Licence. To deal with illega l dogs, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources has developed numerous pol icy iterations, the most recent having been established in December 2015. In this policy, illegal dogs of a pr ohibited breed faced euthanasia or deportation, even if the individual animal had no history of having been a threat to public safety. I find this fact to be disturbing, as do many other people in our community. Mr. Speaker, today I advise this Honourable House that I have asked the Department of Enviro nment and Natural Resources to immediately halt the euthanasia or deportation of illegal animals that have no history of aggression, pending legislative amend-ments and a full review of policies, going forward. The halting of euthanasia and deportations of illegal animals with no history of aggression does not mean that the Government will forgive the illegalities that have occurred, but simply we will not be separating these animals from their owners at this time. This action is simply a pause in this aspect of the enforcement activities. Mr. Speaker, the essential question remains: Can a Government justify the con-fiscation and euthanasia of a family pet dog that has not yet offended, even though its breed is responsible for very high rates of offences? Mr. Speaker, I acknowledge that the confiscation of pets is highly controversial and emotive. The Government’s practice of euthanasia of healthy dogs is open to criticism and deemed unethical by opponents, although statistics and history indicate that leaving such dogs in the community will lead to increased complaints in future years. Mr. Speaker, Bermuda implemented breedspecific policy in 2003 with success, yet breed- specific legislation/policy is very unpopular, as it paints ind ividual dogs with a broad brush without regard for individual variation. It affects all citizens instead of only irresponsible citizens who keep the offending dogs. Opponents of breed- specific legislation insist that biting, injury and straying incidents are a result of irr esponsible owners and are not a function of the breed. Their mantra is Punish the deed, not the breed. Whether the owner or the dog is responsible for the offence, Bermuda’s statistics indicate a positive result from our breed- specific policy, which continues to seek prevention of injury, not merely a reaction to inj ury once injury has occurred. Mr. Speaker, I will not at this time make any promises about a long- term solution to illegal pit bulls and other prohibited breeds, but only [promise] a comprehensive exploration of all of the options. Ow ners of all dogs are advised to fully demonstrate r esponsible ownership. Be aware that if your illegal dog does act in a threatening manner or causes injury, it will be subject to seizure and disposal. This Gover nment does take public safety very seriously. Mr. Speaker, I take this opportunity to thank the Animal Wardens, who do have a job made more difficult by actions of irresponsible people in our com-munity. Through their efforts, combined with those of the Bermuda Police Service, SPCA [Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals], the Canine Advisory Committees and canine groups, Bermuda has become a safer community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Minister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. We do have several written responses that I have tracked down. I am told that some of these . . . MP Rabain, I believe, has his r esponses from Premier Dunkley. QUESTIONS: LIST OF ALL CONSUL TANTS/CONTRACT ORS FROM APRIL 1, 2015, TO MARCH 31, 2016, FOR …
Thank you. We do have several written responses that I have tracked down. I am told that some of these . . . MP Rabain, I believe, has his r esponses from Premier Dunkley.
QUESTIONS: LIST OF ALL CONSUL TANTS/CONTRACT ORS FROM APRIL 1, 2015, TO MARCH 31, 2016, FOR DEPARTMENTS AND/ OR QUANGOS FOR PREMIER’S DEPARTMENTS
1. Would the Honourable Minister please pr ovide this Honourable House with a list of all consultants/contractors from April 1, 2015 to March 31, 2016 for t he departments and or quangos for which the Honourable Minister is responsible, including the names and or the company, and the company’s address? 2. Would the Honourable Minister please in-form this Honourable House as to the terms of reference and or project for which each con-sultant/contractor has been retained?
Bermuda House of Assembly 3. Would the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House as to the rem uneration each consultant/contractor will or has received, including whether or not the terms of employment include payment of any other expenses like travel, accommodations and meals?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAnd also, MP Lister has his responses from Minister Cannonier. Members, some of the answers have not been completed. And I have asked that Members get those answers to the Opposition in good time. QUESTIONS: LIST OF ALL CONSUL TANTS/CONTRACTORS FROM APRIL 1, 2015 , TO MARCH 31, 2016, FOR …
And also, MP Lister has his responses from Minister Cannonier. Members, some of the answers have not been completed. And I have asked that Members get those answers to the Opposition in good time.
QUESTIONS: LIST OF ALL CONSUL TANTS/CONTRACTORS FROM APRIL 1, 2015 , TO MARCH 31, 2016, FOR DEPARTMENTS AND/ OR QUANGOS FOR MINISTRY OF PUBLIC WORKS
1. Would the Honourable Minister please provide this Honourable House with a li st of all consultants/contractors from April 1, 2015 to March 31, 2016 for the depar tments and or quangos for which the Honourable Minister is responsible, including the names and or the company, and the company’s address? 2. Would the Honourable Minister please i nform this Honourable House as to the terms of reference and or project for which each consultant/contractor has been retained? 3. Would the Honourable Minister please i nform this Honourable House as to the r emuneration each consultant/contractor w ill or has received, including whether or not the terms of employment include payment of any other expenses like travel, accom-modations and meals?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerWe have oral questions from MP D. V. Burgess. MP D. V. Burgess. QUESTION 1: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House —the Honour able Minister being Pat Gordon- Pamplin —as to how …
We have oral questions from MP D. V. Burgess. MP D. V. Burgess.
QUESTION 1: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House —the Honour able Minister being Pat Gordon- Pamplin —as to how many non- Bermudians are presently employed at The Loren hotel, the former Pink Beach? Also, p lease ind icate the number of non- Bermudian spouses in the total.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a total of 25 nonBermudians employed at the Hotel Loren. Of this total, 23 require work permits and 2, who are spouses of Bermudians, do not require work permits.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. MP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The second question.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. QUESTION 2: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House as to how many Bermudians are presently employed at H otel Loren?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr . Speaker. The Bermudians who are currently employed are . . . there are 25 Bermudians and 2 spouses of Bermudians.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Yes, you have a supplementary?
Mr. W. Lawrenc e ScottWill the Honourable Minister be able to let Members of this Honourable House know the hourly wage for the non- executive positions that Bermudians are holding?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I cannot. I do not know. I can ask the question.
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottWould the Minister undertake to find out the hourly wage for the non- executive positions of Bermudians and bring that back to this House?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I suppose I can ask the question, Mr. Speaker, but I am not certain that we have the ability to delve into that private sec-tor. But if I can get the information, I would be happy to ask. 1438 20 March 2017 …
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Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Yes. Right. Thank you. Yes, MP Burgess.
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, suppl ementary on number 2.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Minister, are you aware that in March 2017, this is the highest percen tage of non- Bermudians in any hotel in the history of Bermuda?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am not.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Question number 3,
Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerYes. QUESTION 3: EMPLOYMENT AT THE LOREN Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Honourable Minister please list the job categories/ positi ons that are held by Bermudians at Hotel Loren as at March 5, 2017?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Bermudians or spouses thereof hold the following p ositions: one assistant maître d’ , four bartenders, one bellboy, one chef de partie , one chef de cuisine, one food and beverage director, two doormen, one food and beverage server, two housekeeping …
Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Bermudians or spouses thereof hold the following p ositions: one assistant maître d’ , four bartenders, one bellboy, one chef de partie , one chef de cuisine, one food and beverage director, two doormen, one food and beverage server, two housekeeping supervisors, one houseman, one human resources coordinator for Human Resources and Purchasing, two porters, one porter/dishwasher, one public area cleaner, four r eceptionists/concierges, and three room attendants.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. MP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. The Spe aker: Yes, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Minister be aware that there is not one Bermudian manager at Hotel Loren? The Speaker: Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do not …
Thank you. MP Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. The Spe aker: Yes, yes.
SUPPLEMENTARY
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Would the Minister be aware that there is not one Bermudian manager at Hotel Loren? The Speaker: Minister.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do not . . . I am not aware of that. Based on the information that I have just provided, that is the information that we have r eceived from the hotel with respect to the staff that they have.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. Thank you, MP Burgess. We move now to the Statement by Minister Sylvan Richards, and the Chair will first recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13. MP Diallo Rabain, you have the floor. QUESTION 1: AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGAR DING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThank you, Mr. Speaker. Firstly, I would like to congratulate the Minister for bringing this. This is certainly a vexing topic that many have spoken to. I think all of us have had someone who has come up to us, as Members of Par-liament, to say or have some complaints …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Firstly, I would like to congratulate the Minister for bringing this. This is certainly a vexing topic that many have spoken to. I think all of us have had someone who has come up to us, as Members of Par-liament, to say or have some complaints about this particula r policy that euthanizes dogs. But, Mr. Speaker, my question is, With the statistics from this department showing that only about 53—they estimate only about 53 per cent of dogs in Bermuda are registered, what is the department doing to address that fact? Because that will lead to being able to control the dogs, I believe, a bit more if we had more than 53 per cent of them registered.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member has asked a very impo rtant question. It is something that I, as the new Minister, will sit down with my staff and review current procedures of what can be done in the future to increase the …
Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member has asked a very impo rtant question. It is something that I, as the new Minister, will sit down with my staff and review current procedures of what can be done in the future to increase the numbers of dogs in Bermuda being regi stered. It is something that I acknowledge is an i ssue that needs to be addressed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you. Thank you, Mini ster. Yes, you have a supplementary, MP De Si lva? Or do you have a question? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSupplem ent ary on that? Hon. Zane J . S. De Silva: Yes, sir. Yes, I do, yes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, okay. Bermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Minister, based on what you just said, exactly what are you planning to do to achieve that?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Speaker, it is an ongoing thing that we are looking at. I cannot give specifics at this time because I have yet to sit down and meet with my dog wardens and the others in the Ministry to find the best way forward. …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you. Yes, you have a question, MP De Silva? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I have a question, yes, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. QUESTION 1: AMENDMENT OF POLICY REGAR DING ILLEGAL DOGS OF PROHIBITED BREEDS Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Minister, in your Statement, you said your mantra is to punish the deed and not the breed. Have you looked at increasing the punis hment for those that are breeding illegal …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Y es. That is being looked at very actively.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Yes, MP De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Supplementary.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because this, of course, is a very hot topic, as we all know, does the Minister have any timelines when he might be bringing legisla-tion to make these changes?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The goal is to bring the legislation and the regulations at the next session of Parliament, which will be the summer session.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Members. The Chair has a question from the Deputy Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerIt is a supplementary. SUPPLEMEN TARY
Mrs. Suzann Roberts -HolshouserWould the Mini ster consider the fact that once the considered illegal pit bull breed are indeed given the option to be licensed , if that is the direction in which they go, that the dogs will then be able to have access to proper veterinarian practices, whereas as an …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am kind of struggling with coming up with an answer for that. Yes, everything is on the table, where policy is being reviewed from top to bottom. And I am sure that when it is finalised, it will be …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Minister. Honourable Members, that concludes Question Period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Chair will recognise the Minister for Social Development and Sport . Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Good morning, and thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood morning, Minister. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning firstly to acknowledge the Bermudian players who played with a Bermuda Select team yesterday against the New York Cosmos. And I just want to congratulate all the team players who actually played, but in particular, Mr. Oneko Lowe, …
Good morning, Minister. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning firstly to acknowledge the Bermudian players who played with a Bermuda Select team yesterday against the New York Cosmos. And I just want to congratulate all the team players who actually played, but in particular, Mr. Oneko Lowe, who was awarded a one- year contract with the New York Cosmos. And as you quite learnt me up yesterday, Mr. Speaker, this is a team whom you were a MVP player for, scored one of the first goals —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI am glad you speeded yourself up. [Laughter] 1440 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: —i n 1972.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI mean, that is something you must know . [Laughter] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: So, it was a very good game yesterday. And Tre Ming— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Nandi Outerb ridge: In 1972.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerVery good, Minister. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: I was born in 1987. [Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI just look good, Honourable Members. [Laughter] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Tre Ming scored the first goal for Bermuda and actually the only goal for the team. And it is unfortunate that, during the last three minutes of overtime, the New York Cosmos came back and scored a goal. So, it …
I just look good, Honourable Members. [Laughter]
Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Tre Ming scored the first goal for Bermuda and actually the only goal for the team. And it is unfortunate that, during the last three minutes of overtime, the New York Cosmos came back and scored a goal. So, it made it a draw game. But it was a very theatrical and exciting game, to say the least. I would also like to officially announce that there was a ceremony that took place last week Thursday, in New York, which has officially granted Bermuda the UK extension of CEDAW [Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women]. The statutory instrument was presented during that ceremony, and I would like at this time to co ngratulate all of the staff of my department, Social D evelopment and Sports, as well as the former Minister of the department, and my PS, Wayne Carey, and especially Jane Brett. Everyone has worked hard to make this happen. So I think that we are very excited, and now we have a platform to start looking into other things, moving forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Minister. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 16, MP Weeks.
Mr. Michael A. WeeksAnd I kind of figured I was going to get picked because I saw you up at Nationals yesterday.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, Honourable Member. You knew I was going to pick you first today.
Mr. Michael A. WeeksI knew that, Mr. Speaker. But, Mr. Speaker, I want the whole House to join me in congratulating you, with the acknowledgement that the Cosmos gave to you, and that jersey that they presented to you. I was hoping that you were going to put it on. I do not …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerWell, they did not need me in the end, Honourable Member. [Laughter]
Mr. Michael A. WeeksOkay. Yes. But for your exploits I think you were a hero to many a young Bermudian in the early to late 1970s. So, it was really good to see you being acknowledged in such a way. I just wish . . . I would like to associate the whole …
Okay. Yes. But for your exploits I think you were a hero to many a young Bermudian in the early to late 1970s. So, it was really good to see you being acknowledged in such a way. I just wish . . . I would like to associate the whole House because I know the Bear was the pride and joy of Bermuda back in the day. Mr. Speaker, I also want to be associated with the remarks of young Oneka Lowe. He is another product of the great Western Stars, Dandy T own, Soccer Academy. So to see him be picked—and there were a lot of young talents on display yesterday. So I hope that others get the same opportunity. I t is always a pleasure seeing our youngsters on the front page for something positive, as opposed to a lot of this stuff that we see going on. So, thanks, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerRight. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 15, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Rob anThank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to acknowledge the recent announcement of the retir ement of the Leader of the Opposition of the People’s National Movement of Jamaica, the Most Honourable Portia Simpson Miller, who gave her last Statement to the House of Representatives in …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to acknowledge the recent announcement of the retir ement of the Leader of the Opposition of the People’s National Movement of Jamaica, the Most Honourable Portia Simpson Miller, who gave her last Statement to the House of Representatives in Jamaica this past week. She will be retiring after 43 years of political involvement, the first wom an Prime Minister of Jamaica. And I think the whole House should give that, and in light of the fact that we have just come off our an-nouncement of International Women’s Week, that it is fitting that this be acknowledged by us in this House, a pioneer of politics in the region, having been the first female Prime Minister of a very significant country, historica lly, and connected with Bermuda. Portia Simpson Miller is not only a friend of the Progressive Labour Party, she is a friend of BerBermuda House of Assembly muda. As we all know, many people in this Chamber , and out , know her. Her connections with the country are well known. And I think it is fitting that we acknowledge her long service as a major Commonwealth leader. So I am sure the whole House would like to be associated with that, and I think it is appr opriate that we acknowledge the service of such a significant individual as a great woman leader, but just as a great leader for her people. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1, the Junior Minister Ke nneth Bascome. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: Good morning,
Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerGood morning. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: Thank you very much. I would like to ask that this House acknowledge Mr. Shaquille Dill, who just won the 800 Metres Championship in the United States of America.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerWhich championship did he win? Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: The 800M Indoor Championship in— The Speaker: Of what? Of what?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberRunning.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI know running. But what events? What championship? Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Basc ome: The Indoor Championship in Birmingham, Alabama.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOh, okay. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: I also ask that this House please acknowledge the young lady, R enee Kelly who was just graduated and has become an obstetrician. The young lady is originally from St. George's. She lives in Warwick now. At the age of 40, she is the …
Oh, okay.
Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: I also ask that this House please acknowledge the young lady, R enee Kelly who was just graduated and has become an obstetrician. The young lady is originally from St. George's. She lives in Warwick now. At the age of 40, she is the first person in Bermuda to actually obtain that certification. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerRight. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Members care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26, MP Neville Tyrrell.
Mr. Neville S. TyrrellThank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning. The Speaker: Good morning.
Mr. Neville S. TyrrellMr. Speaker, it is with some sadness that I rise to ask if this Honourable House would send condolences to the family of Maxine “Eunice” James. She was the wife of the late Lionel “Juicy” James of No. 1 Kings Lane North. I would like to associate my honourable colleague, …
Mr. Speaker, it is with some sadness that I rise to ask if this Honourable House would send condolences to the family of Maxine “Eunice” James. She was the wife of the late Lionel “Juicy” James of No. 1 Kings Lane North. I would like to associate my honourable colleague, Lawrence Scott , as well, as she was his neighbour. Ms. James was actually one of my constituents and a very good supporter and friend. So, she will be sadly missed, of course. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. MP Zane De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like this Honourable House to send condolences to the family of Ms. Dor othy …
Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. MP Zane De Silva, you have the floor.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like this Honourable House to send condolences to the family of Ms. Dor othy Dowling, of Turtle Place, Southampton. And like my colleague, Mr. Tyrrell, she was also a strong supporter of not only me, but the party. She passed away last week, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like this Honourable House to send condolences to the family of Mr. Nigel Lewin. He passed away as well recently, Mr. Speaker. “Nicky,” as he was called, I had the pleasure of wor king with him way back in the day at SKB Coatings, Mr. Speaker. And you might recall that he had two daug hters, twins, who sailed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSailors, yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Who sailed for Bermuda on several occasions. And they are actually back in Bermuda now, Mr. Speaker. One of the daughters has built a house not far from where I used to live in Dev-onshire. And so I certainly send my condolences …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Member care to speak? Yes, the Chair will recognise the Member from constituency number 13, MP Diallo Rabain.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like for the House to send condolences to Mr. Eric Landy, the father of a very good friend of mine, Dr. Jewel Landy, who passed away and was interned. And if you could associate— actually you can associate the entire House with …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAssociate the Speaker with that, too. He was my constituent. 1442 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And associate the Speaker with that. There was also a bit of sadness because the recently deceased Rochelle Butterfield was consi dered his daughter. …
Associate the Speaker with that, too. He was my constituent.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And associate the Speaker with that. There was also a bit of sadness because the recently deceased Rochelle Butterfield was consi dered his daughter. He considered her his daughter, as well. And I am sure we all knew Rochelle, in this House, as well. So, condolences to be sent to the family of Mr. Landy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Members care to speak? That will conclude the obits and congrats. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThere are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Chair will recognise first the Mini ster for Health. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood morning. FIRST READING HEALT H (MISCELLANEOUS) AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: Health (Miscellaneous) Amendment Act 2017.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. OPPOSITION BILLS
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. STATUTORY INTEREST RATE REDUCTION ACT 2017 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 28, I seek leave of the House to read for the first time the Bill entitled the Statutory Interest Rate Reduction …
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The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Members. We now will resume in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Rev enue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18. The Chair will recognise the Minister of F inance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the …
Thank you, Honourable Members. We now will resume in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Rev enue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18. The Chair will recognise the Minister of F inance.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the House resume into the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure for the f inancial year 2017/18.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Minister. Are there any objections to that? Since there are none, the Chair will ask the Honourable Member from constituency 14, MP Glen Smith, to please take the Chair [of Committee] . House in Committee at 10:4 3 am [Mr. Glen Smith, Cha irman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY …
Thank you, Honourable Minister. Are there any objections to that? Since there are none, the Chair will ask the Honourable Member from constituency 14, MP Glen Smith, to please take the Chair [of Committee] .
House in Committee at 10:4 3 am [Mr. Glen Smith, Cha irman]
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY
ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2017/18 [Continuation thereof]
The ChairmanChairmanGood morning, Honourable Members and listening audience. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18, of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 27 and 29. There have been four hours allocated to these heads to be debated. Bermuda House …
Good morning, Honourable Members and listening audience. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18, of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 27 and 29. There have been four hours allocated to these heads to be debated.
Bermuda House of Assembly I call on the Minister for Home Affairs, the Honourable Patricia Gordon- Pamplin, in charge, to proceed. Minister, you have the floor.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move Heads 93, 27 and 29.
The ChairmanChairmanPlease proceed. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. M r. Chairman, I am grateful for the opportunity to lead this debate and present the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Heads 93, 27 and 29, Mini stry of Home Affairs Headquarters, the Department …
Please proceed.
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. M r. Chairman, I am grateful for the opportunity to lead this debate and present the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Heads 93, 27 and 29, Mini stry of Home Affairs Headquarters, the Department of Immigration and the Registry General. And I will pr oceed to present each head in turn.
HEAD 93 —MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS HEA DQUARTERS
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Head 93, the Mi nistry of Home Affairs Headquarters, which is found on pages B -308 to B -313 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Mr. Chairman, as I present the budget for Head 93, the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Ministry’s mission is to streamline processes while improving efficiency in order to stimulate business development, encourage job growth, and protect the customer for the sustained well -being of Bermuda. Expenditure Overview. Mr. Chairman, as noted on page B -310, the Ministry of Home Affairs Headquarters has been allocated $4,132,000 for the fiscal year 2017/18. This budget is $430,000, or 9 per cent, less than the original budget allocation for fiscal year 2016/17. The Ministry Headquarters comprises three cost centres, of which there is zero on the third—or previously three cost centres. And I think that that is important because I do not want to be accused of not including all of the cost centres as listed in the Est imates Book. These cost centres are 103000, which is Administration, and 103010, which is Consumer Affairs. Mr. Chairman, the most significant changes are in the Subjective Analysis , found on page B -310, in th e estimated budget, and they are explained as follows: • an increase of $45,000, or 98 percent , in tra vel costs, found on line 5. This increase allows for travel by the Minister and senior staff in the Ministry for training conferences; • an increase of $620,000 for professional services, on line 8. And these professional services comprise consulting services, legal ser-vices, board and committee fees, and me mbership fees. This Ministry anticipates that short -term consultancies will be required to assist with projects in addition to legal ser-vices within the next fiscal year; • an increase of $25,000, or 44 per cent, in rentals, found on line 9. This increase is expected to cover the cost of facility rentals for consultative meetings with our on- Island par tners; • an increase of $64,000, or 160 per cent, for Materials and Supplies, found on line 12. This increase will allo w the Ministry to purchase much -needed supplies; and • a decrease of $1,220,000, or a 100 per cent reduction, in grants and contributions, found on line 15. These grants were given to the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation and parish councils, which have been transferred to other m inistries. So there is a zero percent balance on that. The other numbers included in this expend iture are of very little significance, being an $11,000 decrease in salaries of 1 per cent; a $4,000 decrease in training of 36 per cent; a $5,000 increase in communications of 24 per cent; and Repairs and M aintenance, a $17,000 increase of 71 per cent. Under Revenues, Mr. Chairman, the Revenue Summary is found on page B -311 of the Budget Book. The Ministry anticipates that it will collect $500,000 in fiscal year 2017/18. This is $100,000 less than the original estimate for fiscal year 2016/17. The revenue is from work permit exemption fees. Manpower. Mr. Chairman, the manpower estimates for the Ministry Headquarters, as outlined on page B -311, are 14 full -time posts. Seven posts are in the Administration Section, and seven posts are in the Consumer Affairs Section. The operations from the former Rent Commissioner’s Office have now been fully integrated into the Consumer Affairs Sections, and it is no longer necessary to separate the Co nsumer Affairs Section into two separate units. Thus, all the posts have been consolidated into the Consumer Affairs Section, 103010. Capital Expenditure. Mr. Chairman, funds budgeted for Capital Acquisition for 2017/18 amount s to $14, 000. This budget is listed on page C -14. The Ministry Headquarters is seeking to replace its current photocopier, which has outlived its useful life. Output Measures. Mr. Chairman, the department’s performance measures are outlined on pages B-312 and B -313. The staff in the department worked diligently and conscientiously to achieve these goals. One of the Ministry’s functions is to communicate, educate and safeguard Bermuda’s residents, and the Consumer Affairs Section plays a vital role in doing so, as can be seen in the performance measures , found on pages B- 312 and B -313. As seen on page B -312, the section intends to participate in 20 radio talk shows (as per line 8) and host 15 public r elations presentations (as per line 9) and two training 1444 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly programmes (as per line 12) , to meet its mandate of advising and educating Bermuda’s residents about their rights and responsibilities as consumers and tenants. Major Achievements. Mr. Chairman, Ministry Headquarters, cost centre 103000. I will discuss first the work done in Ministry Headquarters. While much of the work done here relates back to other depar tments in the Ministry, Headquarters is responsible for communicating with or providing guidance to the fol-lowing: • the Consultative Immigration Reform Working Group; • the Labour Advisory Council subcommittees; • the Immigration Appeals Tribunal. Mr. Chairman, the Consultative Immigration Reform Worki ng Group. Honourable Members are reminded of the agreement made in March of 2016 with representatives of the protesters of the Pathways to Status Bill that had been tabled in this Honourable House. The Consultative Immigration R eform Working Group was constituted in April 2016. Their first report was submitted to the Honourable Premier in June of 2016. As a result, the legislation titled Bermuda Imm igration and Protection Amendment (Adoption) Act 2016 was passed in July of 2016. Since that time, the Immigration Reform Working Group has been working on the next stage in the process —that is, addressing the issue of mixedstatus families. This has been a particularly difficult exercise as the IRWG have been trying to find the right balance. The IRWG have been meeting at least twice a week, on their own time, with no remuneration from Government. While we would have liked to have seen more progress, I have no doubt that the group is dedicated and is working tirelessly. The IRWG liais e with the Ministry to obtain funding for any ancillary expenses such as advertising and town hall meetings, and to obtain statistics and other information as nec-essary. I would like to recognise members of this group, including Mr. William Madeiros, who is the Chairman; Ms. Crystal Caesar; Mrs. Malika Car twright; Mr. Dennis Fagundo; Mr. Stephen Todd; Ms. Lynne Winfield; Mr. Gordon Woolridge; Mrs. Belinda Wright; Honourable Members in this House, MP Walton Brown and MP Mark Pettingill; and Mr. Marvin Hann a, the Group’s Recording Secretary.
Mr. Walter H. RobanPoint of information. Point of information. Point of information.
Mr. Walter H. RobanJust for the record and for clar ity, MP Pe ttingill is no longer a member of that group.
The ChairmanChairmanMinister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: That is fine. I said the group had constituted those members. So, if changes have happened, then we accept and acknowledge that for the record. Labour Advisory Council [LAC] subcommi ttees. Concurrent to the work done by the IRWG, the LAC was asked to …
Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: That is fine. I said the group had constituted those members. So, if changes have happened, then we accept and acknowledge that for the record. Labour Advisory Council [LAC] subcommi ttees. Concurrent to the work done by the IRWG, the LAC was asked to review and propose recommenda-tions to the following: • amendments to work permit policies to address a living wage and training requirements for Bermudians; • cracking down further on unscrupulous bus iness tactics that undermine Bermudian l abour; • working more with the i nternational business sector to provide summer job opportunities for Bermudians; • continuing with Government's efforts to sim ilarly provide such summer job opportunities; • continued robust enforcement of w ork permit policies; and • such other matters of mutual interest as may be agreed. The Labour Advisory Council has empanelled two subcommittees to address these issues , and an additional subcommittee to review and propose i mprovements in the existing l abour legislation. The subcommittees are constituted as follows: 1) a subcommittee, headed by Mr. Jason Hayward, President of the Bermuda Public Services Union (BPSU) , to recommend amendments to work permit policies to address a living wage and training requirements for Bermudians ; 2) a subcommittee, headed by Mr. Ed Ball, Jr., General Secretary of BPSU, to recommend amendments to work permit policies to (1) crack down further on unscrupulous business tactics that undermine Bermudian labour; (2) work more with the international business sector to provide summer job oppor-tunities for Bermudians and to continue with Gover nment's efforts to similarly provide such summer job opportunities; and (3) robust enforcement of work permit pol icies; 3) a subcommittee, headed by Mr. Wendell Hollis , to recommend amendments to work permit policies to review and propose improvements in the exis ting labour legislation . Mr. Chairman, as with the IRWG, the LAC subcommittees meet regularly on their ow n time , with no remuneration from Government. I am very grateful to all the members for their input. The Immigration Appeals Tribunal [IAT] . Mr. Chairman, I would like to remind Honourable Me mbers that the Immigration Appeals Tribunal has been empanelled and hearing cases since 2013. They are an independent tribunal in a similar manner as the Employment Tribunal, the Labour Disputes Tribunal
Bermuda House of Assembly and the Permanent Arbitration Tribunal. As they are hearing appeals to decisions made by the Department of Immigration, there has to be some distance b etween the tribunal and the department. As a result, the administration has been undertaken by the Business and Compliance Officer in the Ministry Headquarters, Mrs. Charleda Mahon Gibbons. The Chairperson of the Tribunal is Kiernan Bell. The number of cases that have been received this fiscal year are 14. I would like to thank the c hair and the members for their dedicated service. Mr. Chairman, Consumer Affairs, c ost centre 103010. I refer to the Consumer Affairs Section as the unsung heroes of the Ministry of Home Affairs. We will speak a great deal of the accomplishments or issues within the other departments in the Ministry, specifica lly the Department of Immigration, the Registrar Ge neral and the Department of Workforce Development , but to a far lesser extent of the Consumer Affairs Section. Some may argue that the reason is because they do their job so well. However , I would like to highlight some of the accomplishments of the Consumer Affairs Section. Mr. Chairman, I would first like to remind Honourable Members of the mission of the Consumer Affairs Section. Consumer Affair’s mission is to create an equitable consumer market by preserving, protec ting and enforcing consumer s’ rights when purchasing goods and services . This encompasses , but is not limited to , ensuring fair trade practices, regulating product safety, monitoring the timeliness of repairs and other services, protecting renters from unreason-able rent increases and unlawful eviction. They are also mandated to educate the public and businesses on their rights and responsibilities under the law. Provisions for the establishment and oper ational duties and authority of Consumer Affairs are statutory under the Consumer Protection Act 1999, the Rent Increases (Domestic Premises) Control Act 1978, the Rent Increases ( Domestic Premises) Co ntrol Rules 1972, the Rent Increases (Scientific R esearch Institutions) Order 1975, t he Supply of Services (Implied Terms) Act 2003 and the Copyright and Designs Act 2004. Statis tical analysis over the past five years has confirmed the effectiveness of the Consumer A ffairs Section in carrying out its mandated responsibil ities. Out of 32 industries tracked within their case management system, 19 have shown a decline of 30 to 66 per cent in case investigations. The top five i ndustries showing declines were in the automotive, i nsurance, marine, hospitality and trades industries. Three industries showed no activity over the past two years. They were in wholesales, special events and ecommerce. These declines are significant in that they show education, enforcement and legislative changes to reflect today’s global market that they are working to create a fair and equitable marketplace. Mr. Chairman, in 2016, rent increases inspection criteria were implemented to create an impartial, consistent and comparable appraisal with other rental property similar in size, location, amenities and up-grades. Since the implementation of the inspection criteria, the Consumer Affairs Section has seen an increase of landlords willing to work with us to u pgrade their units and create improved business prac-tices within the landlord and tenant relationship. Mr. Chairman, over the past fiscal year, the Consumer Affairs Section has successfully recovered $20,595,079 for both their local and overseas clien-tele. Contributing to this large amount was a 7 per cent increase in overseas investment clientele seek-ing reimbursement of their funds with locally domiciled companies and banks. The international clients were from countries such as Venezuela, India, Malta, Spain, Colombia, America and the European Union. Many local clientele were reimbursed for cycles, a utomotive items, appliances and special order pro ducts. Mr. Chairman, in 2016, there was an increase of 31 per cent in the legal industry complaints filed with the Consumer Affairs Section. The complaints filed were in two main sub -categories, debt collection and legal fees. Mr. Chairman, the Consumer Affairs Board in its role as consumer advocate held meetings with the Regulatory Authority and the Ministry of Economic Development, voicing its concern about the 28 per cent increase of complaints in the telecommunications industry. Areas of concern were the high cost of Inter-net when compared to other islands of a similar size as Bermuda; consumers paying for, but not receiving in a consistent manner, the megabytes for which they were paying; billing irregularities; misleading advertising; companies not following the terms of their licensing; and the mergers of companies, creating a duopo-ly within the industry. These meetings will continue into the new fiscal year. Mr. Chairman, second- hand/private sale complaints increased 30 per cent over last year’s figures. Cars, boats and phones generated the most co mplaints, with the reoccurring factors of lost funds due to overseas scammers, sellers not having the legal right to sell the item, or fraudulent paperwork and ad-vertisement. Three new sub- industries were added in 2016 due to increased complaint trends. They were show - quality animals/breeders, visa and passport services by non -government businesses, and homeopathic products and treatments. Mr. Chairman, the Consumer Affairs Section is charged with the monitoring of global market trends that have a direct impact on the Bermuda consumer. Digital technology in the global market is changing the ways business is conducted. Local businesses will have to leverage this market in order to be viable to consumers who have global purchasing access from 1446 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly their computers. The second impacting trend is found within the airline industries with their add- on fees and corporate buy -outs. Two new fees to be implemented this year are overhead bag compartment fees and fees to file a complaint against the industry. Presently, there i s a fee for aisle and bulkhead seats, and this will be expanded to include specific placement within the aircraft. The third trend is the move towards un iformed product safety standard implementation in manufacturing countries such as China, Singapore and Mexico. Plans for the Upcoming Year. Mr. Chairman, In the upcoming fiscal year, the Ministry plans to complete all five of its initiatives as outlined in the recent Speech from the Throne. These include the Amend-ment to the National Occupational Certific ation Act 2004 to include all skills and competencies required for current and future construction projects; the amendment of the National Training Board Act 1997 to provide a legislative framework to support the i mplementation of the National Training Plan and strengthen penalties for infractions and non-compliance; provide amendments to the Rent I ncreases (Domestic Premises) Control Act 1978 to strike a balance between rent control, the rights of tenants, and the need to ensure fair economic return for la ndlords. In addition, the Ministry intends to continue to monitor and recommend for prosecution bus inesses that engage in unfair business practices, con-tinue to provide tenants with security of tenure, control increases of rents, and continue to ensure that co nsumer products are safe and meet all required safely standards, as well as investigate and enforce product recalls to ensure that Bermuda’s consumers purchase safe products. Honourable Members will also recall in the Speech from the Throne that the Consumer Affairs Section is charged with creation of fair debt [collec-tion] practices legislation, which is presently in the drafting stages. Debt collectors will fall under the remit of the Consumer Affairs Section, which will ensure fair practices within the industry. Mr. Chairman, in closing, I must thank the hard- working and dedicated members of the Consumer Affairs Section: Mrs. Karen Marshall, Executive Officer, and her team —Honey Adams, LaVonne Bean, Paula Carlington, Rhonda Daniels, Heather Marshall and Delores Vasquez. I would also like to thank the dedicated members of the staff at the Mini stry of Home Affairs, particularly the Comptroller, Mrs. Denise Maughn; Mrs. Tionea Effs, Finance Officer; Ms. Danielle Simmons, Accounts Assistant; Mrs. Charleda Mahon Gibbons, Business and Compliance Officer; Patrice Simmons, Administrative Assistant; and my Executive Assistant, Tresa Robinson. They are all under the leadership and the guidance of the Permanent Secretary, Mrs. Rozy Azhar, to whom I owe an incredible debt of thanks. I will move on now to Head 27, Mr. Chairman.
HEAD 27 —DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Mr. Chairman, as I present the budget for Head 27, the Department of Immigration, it can be found on pages B -314 to B -319 of the Budget Book. The Mission. The mission of the Department of Immigration is to serve travellers and to conserve and protect Bermuda for the benefit of its people, i ncluding residents and visitors . Expenditure Overview. Mr. Chairman, as noted on page B -314, the Department of Immigration has been allocated a budget of $4,754,000 in the fiscal year 2017/18. This budget is $121,000 more than the 2016/17 budget allocation, reflecting a 3 per cent budget increase. Mr. Chairman, the changes in the budget . . . Give me one second, Mr. Chairman.
[Pause] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Okay. Sorry. The changes in the budget estimates are explained as follows: • a small increase of $1,000 in respective salaries in cost centre 37010; • an increase of 5 per c ent, or $53,000, in cost centre 37020, which is the Personal Services Section. This increase represents additional payments for the new British Overseas Terr itories Citizen (BOTC) (Bermuda) passports to Her Majesty’s Passport Office and to WorldReach Corporation (the systems ven-dor), and for credit/debit card processing fees; • a decrease of $6,000 in salaries in cost centre 37030, the Compliance Section. • an increase of 6 per cent, or $73,000, in 37040, the Finance and Administration Section. This increase is attributed to an increase in salaries, the inclusion of legal services and fees payable to the Immigration Appeal Tribu-nal and an increase in office supplies for work permit cards, as listed on page B314. Mr. Chairman, the material changes in the estimate d budget for the Subjective Analysis of the Current Account Estimates, found on page B -315, are as follows: • an increase of 2 per cent, or $76,000, in Sal aries, which is listed as item 1. This increase is mainly due to salaries for temporary relief staff and pay -scale increments for full -time e mployees; • an increase of 226 per cent, or $147,000, in Communications, which is listed on line item 6. This increase is due to fees payable to Her Majesty’s Passport Office, including cou-rier services for processing and printing British
Bermuda House of Assembly Overseas Territories (BOTC) Bermuda pas sports; • a decrease of 22 per cent in Professional Services, which is listed on line item 8. This de-crease is due to the end of contract (at March 31 st, 2017) for the consultants (who will be spoken to at the end of this brief) who assisted with the backlog of applications in the Personal Services Section; • an increase of 1,250 per cent, or $25,000, in Rentals, which is listed on line item 9. This i ncrease is due to the reallocation of costs , i.e., to correct cost centres. For example, the central filing rental has been separated out from office supplies; • a decrease of 16 per cent, or $88,000, in R epairs and Maintenance, which is listed on line item 10. In the previous year, part of the service-level maintenance costs for 3M [3MInnovative Properties Company] were contained in this line item. This decrease is due to the non- renewal of 3M’s contract. That is because 3M has taken the decision to come out of the border management line of business; • A decrease of 91 per cent, or $10,000, in Clothing, Uniforms and Laundry, which is listed on line item 12. This decrease is due to the only expected requirement for uniforms in 2017/18 being related to accessories (i.e., shoes, et cetera) for the Officers in the Com-pliance Section. The other items, such as wages, other personnel costs and transport have zero changes year - on-year, and other, very minor insignificant changes are in 1,000, Material and Supplies, and 2,000 in E nergy. Revenue Summary. The revenue summary is outlined on page B -315. The total revenue estimate for 2017/18 is a total of $21,020,000, an increase of $471,000, or 2 per cent. The most material changes are as follows: Work Permits, a total of $12,533,000, an i ncrease of $2,482,000, or 25 per cent. This increase can be attributed to the increase in work permit appl ications resulting from America’s Cup, the Airport D evelopment and other major developments planned for 2017/18. Another material change is the reduction in land acquisition fees from $9,000,000 to $6,000,000, a difference of $3,000,000, or 33 per cent, and a downward adjustment based on the actual figures in 2015/16 and the revised estimate for 2016/17. An increased estimate for Status and Naturalisation of $1,344,000 an increase of $1,024,000, or 320 per cent can be attributed to the increase of applications for Bermudian Status and for Naturalisation. Capital Expenditure. Mr. Chairman, funds budgeted for Capital Acquisitions for 2017/18 amount s to $1,000,000 and can be found on page C -15. The department is seeking to purchase a new border management system to replace the existing, ageing system. Manpower. Mr. Chairman, the manpower estimates for the department as outlined on page B -316 are 50 full -time posts. Within the department, 10 posts are vacant, consisting of three Customer Service Re presentatives, two Processing Administrators, two Cl ient Services Officers, one Administrative Assistant and one Senior Immigration Inspector/Officer. It is i ntended to fill these positions in the 2017/18 fiscal year. Output Measures. Mr. Chairman, the depar tment’s performance measures are outlined on pages B-317 to B -319. The staff in the department worked diligently and conscientiously to achieve these goals. These were achieved, despite human resource challenges, in the core sections of the department — Corporate Services, Personal Services, and Compli-ance— which experienced natural attrition and internal promotions. Commensurate with the department’s mission is its pursuit to work as a team and exercise sound judgment in the performance of its duties to ensure that it responds to the needs of its customers in an efficient, effective and timely manner, in accordance with the laws of the land, the policies of the Ministry and the procedures of the department. During f iscal year 2016/17, the Department of Immigration has worked sympathetically, courteously and impartially to accomplish our mandate. Major Achievements. Mr. Chairman, I would like to provide greater detail of some of the acco mplishments of the core sections within the Department of Immigration. Corporate Services, cost centre 37010. At the end of this fiscal year, it is anticipated that the Corp orate Services Section will process 4,180 standard one- to five -year work permit applications in an av erage time of four weeks. This processing achievement is offset with the processing of 3,444 short -term and periodic work permit applications. In 2015/16, the number was 3,653. The reduced number in 2016 demonstrates that the current work permit policy is effective; that is, it restricts the usage of short -term work permits and encourages more applications for standard permits. The section has also processed additional applications relating to special national projects with shorter processing times; i.e., work permit applications for America’s Cup (ACBA and ACEA), The Loren (Sardis Development Ltd.), DCK Bermuda (Morgan’s Point) and Aecon (the airport project). Mr. Chairman, Personal Services, cost centre 37020. Over the past fiscal year, the Personal Ser-vices Section successfully transferred the printing of British Overseas Territories Citizen (BOTC) (Berm uda) passports to Her Majesty’s Passport Office. 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Bermuda House of Assembly comes have been less than desirable. Throughout this period, the team witnessed increased numbers in passport applications per day. Local residents were lined up generally before 7:30 am as the deadline of June drew close for the local printing of passports. Of significance is that the section processed a total of 1,130 applications. This number is quite significant because the Bermuda Passport Office processes approximately 580 passport applications (for adults and children) per month. So, the number of passports r eceived just prior to the transition of the passport pr ocess doubled over a period of less than one month. In September 2016, eleven consultants, some of whom were retirees and former civil servants, were enlisted to assist with clearing the outstanding backlog of applications in the Personal Services Section. The retirees included Ms. Judith Hall- Bean, former Deputy Head of the Civil Service; Dr. Martin Brewer, former Chief Immigration Officer; and Mrs. Marlene Christ opher, former Registrar General. Of primary signif icance is the achievement in issuing approximately 350 Bermudian status certificates (under Section 20B(2)(b) of the Bermuda Immigration and Protection Act 1956) by the 31 st of December 2016. All other a pplications —i.e. , Naturalisati on, Bermudian status for spouses of Bermudians, and Spousal Letters, which were backlogged at the time— were also processed. I would like to thank the consultants and the temporary staff, including Dr. Martin Brewer, Charleda Mahon- Gibbons, Judith Hall -Bean , Belinda Wright, Andrea Daniels, Marlene Christopher, Corey Furbert, Donna Harvey -Maybury, Carmelita Maybury, Ceble Crockwell, LaToya Viera, Ricardo Lowe, and Ashleigh Lambert, who assisted in the processing of a signif icant amount of files in the three-m onth period. Mr. Chairman, the Compliance Section, cost centre 37030. Over the past fiscal year, the Compl iance Section successfully co- ordinated with the Royal Bermuda Regiment for the deportation of seven de-portees, three from Jamaica and one each from G renada, Barbados, St. Maarten, and St. Vincent and the Grenadines. The individuals were persons who had been incarcerated at Westgate Correctional Facility, and challenges became evident due to the refusal by the UK, the US and Canadian authorities to allo w the individuals to transit through their jurisdictions. The deportees were transported to Jamaica on the Royal Bermuda Regiment’s charter to Jamaica, and then a private jet was arranged to transport the other four deportees to their respective home countries. The c oordinated escort went smoothly and speaks to the ability within the Government to work together as a team to achieve a shared goal. Plans for the Upcoming Year. Mr. Chairman, the department’s plans for the upcoming year will pr imarily focus on capitalising on its efficiencies and im-proving upon its deficiencies, enhancing human r esources and upgrading its current technologies. The following paragraphs detail the specific actions that the department will undertake during 2017/18. Capitalising on Efficiencies and Improving D eficiencies. Mr. Chairman, d uring the spring/summer of 2016, the Internal Audit Department undertook an audit of the department. The Senior Management Team is currently addressing recommendations made by the Internal Audit Team, including updating internal pol icies and procedures so that all staff are able to undertake their duties in line with the department’s mission, fine-tuning processing timelines so that they are reasonably aligned with available human resources, im-plementi ng plans to effectively address —or avoid— backlogs of applications and investigations, and i mproving the monitoring of visitor overstays. Enhancing Human Resources. The Management Consulting Section of the Cabinet Office is cur-rently reviewing the department’s organisational struc-ture. The Personal Services Section has already been completed. The review will also include reviewing and proposing recommendations for improving the pr ocess for determining civil penalties. To this end, the department will seek to fill the vacant posts referred to earlier in this brief and will ensure that staff continue to be fully skilled to perform their duties, utilising inhouse training on the Acts, policies and procedures that the department enforces, including, but not limi ted to, the Bermuda Immigration and Protection Act 1956, the British Nationality Act 1981, the Bermuda Const itution Order 1968, and other regulations. Upgrading Current Technologies. The department is planning on replacing its current Border Management System (BMS). This is one of Berm uda’s front -line defences used to screen arriving passengers who arrive at the L. F. Wade International Airport. The system processes passenger information against a variety of local and international alerts, such as the stop list, watch list, and terror list, upon arrival to Bermuda and alerts officers to critical information in real time. It also allows for the detection of overstays and provides a detailed travel history record that is used for investigation purposes. 3M-Innovative Properties Company (3M) developed BMS in the mid- 2000s. In the summer of 2016, 3M provided notice to the department that it had taken the decision to discontinue its border manage-ment line of business. Therefore, the system is currently unsupported by a vendor. Thankfully, the Information Technology Office and the department had previously fostered a stronger working relationship, and together they have adequately addressed and minimised issues at the airport. Given these dynam-ics, the department will be implementing a new border management system. This system will be in keeping with industry standards. Lastly, in respect of technologies, the depar tment will be automating much of the application pr ocesses in the Personal Services Section. This will i nBermuda House of Assembly clude applications for Bermudian status, permanent resident certificates and naturalisation. Mr. Chairman, in closing, I would like to thank the dedicated members of staff at the Department of Immigration. I would like to also thank the Immigration team under the leadership of Dr. Danette Ming, the Chief Immigration Officer, and Mr. Steven Lambert, the Assistant Chief Immigration Officer; together with Mr. Philip Perinchief and Ms. Lauren Sadler -Best of the Attorney General’s Chambers; the Immigration Boar d headed by Mr. Glen Smith, JP, MP; and the Immigration Appeal Tribunal, previously mentioned, headed by Ms. Kiernan Bell, for the remarkable and outstanding achievements made in 2016/17. Finally, I would also like to thank Ms. Marita Grimes, Mrs. Michell e White, Mr. Ron- Michel Davis, Ms. Dawnette Bean, Mr. B. Terrence Smith and their respective teams; as well as the Collector of Customs, Mrs. Lucinda Pearman, and her airport team for administering the airport border control on behalf of I mmigration; and t o [Lieutenant] Colonel David Curley and the Royal Bermuda Regiment for their kind assistance with the deportation exercise. Also, thanks to the Information Technology Office for their timely assistance in ensuring that our systems were operable, particular ly at the L. F. Wade International Airport. They have all been cooperative and innovative in their respective disciplines and the roles they have played in immigration matters. HEAD 29 —DEPARTMENT OF THE REGISTRY GENERAL
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Chairman, I will now move on to the Department of the Registry General, under Head 29, which is found on pages B - 320 to B -323 of the Approved Estimates and Expend iture for the financial year 2017/18. Mr. Chairman, it gives me pleasure to present the budget for Head 29, the Department of the Regi stry General, found on pages B- 320 to B -323 of the Budget Book. The Registry General is responsible for maintaining civil registrations and providing public ac-cess to such records. Under the general direction and control of the Minister of Home Affairs, the Registrar General exercises his statutory functions and is as-sisted by such public officers as may from time to time be authorised by the Legislature. The mission of the department is to provide and maintain a reliable system for the storage of pub-lic records, access services to these records, and pr ovide an efficient registry service which supports the registration of every birth, death, adoption, and marriage in Bermuda, and the performance of civil marriages, as well as facilitating the registration of land and other property transactions, and the registration of professionals and organisations. To provide a timely and efficient service for the granting of intellectual property rights, such as trade and serv ice marks, p a-tents and designs, and advising on copyright and r elated rights; to assume all administrative responsibil ities with respect to the registration of Country Code Top Level domain names for Bermuda (dotbm) [.bm]. Expenditure Overview. Mr. Chairman, the current account estimates for Head 29, Registry Gen-eral, can be found on page B- 320. The Registry General has been allocated a total of $1,870,000. This represents a net increase of $120,000, or 7 per cent, from the amount allocated for the financ ial year 2016/17, which was $1,750,000. Mr. Chairman, the allocation of expenditure by cost centre, on page B -320, is as follows. Cost centre 39000, Administration —a total of $842,000, representing an increase of 20 per cent, or $138,000. The function of the Administration Section is to ensure that proper resources are made available to facilitate the efficient and timely processing of the registration process for all vital and general events occurring in Bermuda. Cost centre 39010, which is Intellectual Property Registration —a total of $588,000, representing a decrease of 1 per cent, or $5,000. The function of the Intellectual Property Registration Section is to provide a timely and efficient service for the granting of inte llectual property rights, such as trade and service marks, patents and designs; to advise on copyright and related rights; as well as to assume all of the ad-ministrative responsibilities with regards to “dotbm ” [.bm] (Country Code Top Level) domain name regi stration. Cost centre 39020 has been budgeted a total of $111,000, representing a decrease of 4 per cent, or $5,000. The function of the Property, Professional , and Organisation Registrations Section is to register documents relating to chattel mortgages; as well as professional registrations, which include architects, charitable organisations, friendly societies, marriage officers, pension trust funds, professional engineers, professional surveyors, psychological practitioners, and trade unions. Cost centre 39030, Birth, Marriages , and Deaths —a total budget of $329,000, representing a 2 per cent decrease, or $8,000. The function of the Births, Marriages , and Deaths Section is to register and issue certificates for all vital and general events, including births, deaths , and marriages, that occur in Bermuda or on Bermuda- registered ships. Mr. Chairman, the changes in the estimated budget for the Subjective Analysis of the Current A ccount Estimates are found on page B -321 and are as follows: • an increase of 2 per cent, or $29,000, in S alaries, which is listed on line item 1. This in-crease is a result of changes to the organis ation structure by transferring the Land Admi nistrator post to the Land Title Registry Office, a re- grading of the Trade Mark Officer post 1450 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly (now titled Manager of Intellectual Property) , and the hiring of a temporary additional; • a decrease of 44 per cent, or $4,000, in Trai ning, line item 3. This decrease represents savings resulting from the department’s limiting local training to programmes offered by the Department of Human Resource; • a decrease of 10 per cent, or $2,000, in Travel, on line item 4, represents a slight decrease in the amount of money allocated for business travel; • an increase of 6 per cent, or $8,000, in Advertising and Promotion, on line item 6. This can be attributed to the department’s processing and advertising more trade mark applications; • an increase of $151,000 in Rentals, which is on line item 8. This increase is attributed to the department’s rental of a new office space so that the Registry General can be amalga-mated into one office, as opposed to being housed in two separate locations. We were advised by the Ministry of Public Works that the amalgamation and move from the Gov-ernment Administration Building would realise savings —in other departments that are currently paying significantly higher rents —if they move into the space vacated by the Registry General; • a decrease of 18 per cent, or $27,000, in R epairs and Maintenance, shown on line item 9. This decrease represents a deduction, a r eduction, in the amount of money allocated for the software maintenance contract for the i ntellectual property system; • a decrease of 45 per cent, or $34,000, in M aterials and Supplies, on line item 10, repr esents a reduction in the amount of money allocated for office supplies and printing; and • a small increase of 14 per cent, or $1,000, in Other Expenses, on line item 11, represents a slight increase in the amount of money all ocated for bank charges and commissions. Capital Expenditure. Mr. Chairman, funds budgeted for Capital Acquisition for 2017/18 amount to $200,000. This budget is listed on page C -15. This budget has been allocated for the move to a new of-fice space for the department. The Registry General is currently housed on two separate floors, as indicated, the first and fourth floors of the Government Admi nistration Building, and urgently needs to be relocated into one office space. Revenue. Mr. Chairman, on the revenue side, which is shown on page B -322, the Registry General expects to realise $1,679,000 in revenue during 2017/18. The most significant are outlined below: 1. A total of $947,000 from the registration and renewal of Trade Marks, Patents and Designs, and Domain Name Registration Fees, which is the total of line items 2 through 10. This is represented by a $10,000, or 50 per cent, increase in Assignments, line item 3; a $20,000, or 13 per cent, increase in Trade Mark Registrations, in line item 4; a $6,000, or 9 per cent, increase in Trade Mark/Other, line item 6; a $29,000, or 9 per cent, decrease in Trade Mark R enewals, line item 7. 2. Revenue of $645,000 from Birth, Death, and Marriage Fees, line items 17 through 28. This is an increase of $63,000 from the 2016/17 budget. It is anticipated that there will be an increase in the num-ber of marriage ceremonies conducted, marriage l icences and certificates issued for the upcoming fiscal year. It should be noted that fees from property re gistration, from line item 13; land transfer fees, line item 14; and time- sharing, line item 15, will now fall under the remit of the Land Title Registry Office. Manpower. Mr. Chairman, the Manpower estimates for the Registry General as outlined on page B-322 are 19 full -time posts. Within the department, all posts are filled except two. It is anticipated that the vacant posts of Manager of Intellectual Property and Assistant Registrar General will be filled within the upcoming fiscal year. The Registry General consists of the following four sections: 1. Cost centre 39000, Administration, seven staff; 2. Cost centre 39010, Intellectual Property Registration, six staff; 3. Cost centre 39020, Property, Professional , and Organisation Registration, two staff; and 4. Cost centre 39030, Births, Marriages , and Deaths, four staff. Performance Measures. Mr. Chairman, the department’s performance measures are outlined on page B -323. In spite of the fact that the department is operating under strength, with two key posts currently vacant, the staff members of the Registry General continue to work hard and are dedicated to achieving these goals. The department is responsible for di scharging duties conferred under a total of 35 Acts and Regulations which govern the operations of the Regi stry General. The main function of the department is to ensure the efficient and timely registration of all inte llectual property, and vital and general events occur-ring in Bermuda during this fiscal period. The department continues to meet these measures and diligently delivers on core services, and all sections have met their deadlines for projects assigned. Major Achievements. Mr. Chairman, during the past fiscal year the Registry General had an or-ganisational and operational review of the department, conducted by Management Consulting Section (MCS), to improve efficiency and quality of service delivery. The outcome of the review was the recom-mendation of the amalgamation of the department into one office space; a new organisational structure i ncluding the abolishment of several posts, which r eBermuda House of Assembly duce the cost of the establishment by $267,000; and operational changes that would eliminate outdated business processes and redundant functions. Cabinet approval was sought and granted, many of the rec-ommendations have been actioned, and the remain-der will be completed by the upcoming 2017/18 fiscal year. Mr. Chairman, also during the past fiscal year, the department acquired and installed a new domain name registration system. The new system is robust, fully integrated, and streamlined. The system allows for online payment via a credit card, generates reports for easy monitoring of domain name registrations and modifications, and has improved the provision of services to customers. The new system has the capabil ities of providing other features (such as domain name privacy protection), but the main and prominent func-tion of the system is to provide for the registration and renewal of a “ dotbm” [.bm] domain name. Plans for the Upcoming Year. Mr. Chairman, the Administration Section will focus in this coming year on a review of the key office documents and rec-ords to determine and recommend a plan to digitise them. This process will include the Book of Deeds (which hold Power of Attorney and Deed Polls); Chattel Mortgages; Charity Registrations; Professional Body Registrations; Birth, Death and Marr iage Regi strations; and Marriage Officer Licenses. This process will aid in the department’s being more efficient in the manner in which it serves the public. Some of the key benefits of digitising records and documents are as follows: 1. There are no physical limits for storage. As paper and binders require storage space, digitalisation frees up critical office space, as well as reduces paper in offices and all the challenges that come with storing a high volume of documents. 2. The ability to increase office productivity — less time searching endlessly for documents, one can simply have point -and-click access. 3. Access to documents is granted any time, to multiple persons at once, through Internet access ibility, 24/7. 4. The process ensures that original documents have longer life, as they will not be handled as much. 5. It provides a safe information space in the event of a disaster or destruction, (e.g., fire). 6. Easy retrieval of information, using key words. To this end, Mr. Chairman, the Registry General will commence a review of the process for the digitalisation of documents in the upcoming 2017/18 fiscal year and will plan to budget for the project in the 2018/19 fiscal year. At the completion of the project, the Registry General will be firmly positioned to meet the needs of an ever -changing community. Mr. Chairman, the IP Section has identified key initiatives and projects for the upcoming fiscal year. These initiatives and projects are achievable and will benefit not only the operations of the depar tment, but Bermuda as well. At the forefront of the IP Section’s agenda is to amend the Patents and Desig ns Act 1930 with r espect to industrial designs. The current Act is an ant iquated piece of legislation modelled significantly after the UK Paten ts and Desig ns Act 1907, a consolidation act which itself has been repealed by two separate pieces of legislation, namely, the UK Registered D esigns Act 1949 and the Patents Act 2004. The Regi stry General wants to amend the current design legisl ation to bring it in line with the Geneva Act (1999) /Hague Agreement. The Hague Agreement provides for the international filing and registration via a single application, which is administered by WIPO (which is World Intellectual Property Organization). The advantages for the department include a potential increase in design application filings and re gistrations, thus generating more revenue for Gover nment. An industrial designer from one contracting par-ty/country would likely designate Bermuda as a juri sdiction to seek protection for his or her design. The advantages to local residents are that they will have a broader range of options available to obtain easier and more inexpensive protection of their designs in countries bound by the Geneva Act (1999) of the Hague Agreement. Bermudian industrial de-signers will also be able to register their designs inter-nationally via a single application, and thus obtain pr otection internationally, with minimum formalities and expense. In furtherance, the IP Section would like to introduce the voluntary registration of a copyright work as proof of protection. Currently, there is no formality of registration of a copyright work for protection in Bermuda. As Bermuda is a party to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Work [1886] , protection of a copyright work is automatic in Bermuda once the work is created, which means pr otection is not subject to registration. Majority of the countries around the world are a member or a party to the Berne Convention, but a number of countries are providing for voluntary registration of a copyright work even though it is not necessary for protection in their jurisdiction. For instance, under the US Copyright Act of 1976, registration of a work with the Copyright Office is not a prerequisite for copyright protection. The Act does, however, allow for registration and gives the Copyright Office the power to promulgate the neces-sary forms. And although registration is not required for copyright protection to be attached to a work, the Act does require registration before a copyright i nfringement action by the creator of the work can pr oceed. Even if registration is denied, however, an in-fringement action can continue if the creator of the work joins the Copyright Office as a defendant, requi r1452 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly ing the Court to determine the “copyrightability ” of the work before addressing the issue of infringement. Over the years, the Registry General has had significant numbers of calls and visits from members of the general public wanting to register their copyright work and be issued with the Certificate of Registr ation. After advising that copyright protection is aut omatic in Bermuda once the work is created, many still express concern of the possibility of their copyrighted work being infringed upon and not having a Certificate of Registration to prove that they are the true author and creator of the work. The introduction of a volun-tary registration system for copyright works would not only bring comfort to a creator of a copyright work; i t could also be a potential revenue source for the Government. Mr. Chairman, as with all the departments within the Ministry of Home Affairs, I would like to ex-press my gratitude to the team and dedicated staff members of the Registry General Department, led by Mr. Aubrey Pennyman, as they continue to take a proactive approach to ensure that Bermuda remains relevant and comparable with global partners. Mr. Chairman, that represents my present ation with regard to Head 93, headquarters; Head 27, Department of Immigration; and Head 29, Registry General. And I would invite other Members to contri bute.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to contribute to this debate? I recognise Mr. C. W. D. Brown, Shadow Mi nister, Home Affairs, f rom constituency 17. You have the floor, sir.
Mr. Walton BrownThank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, let me first of all thank the Honourable Minister for her presentation. It is an exercise in brevity, and I would hope that all Ministers at all times would adopt such a course to allow for a substantive amount of time for debate. Let …
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, let me first of all thank the Honourable Minister for her presentation. It is an exercise in brevity, and I would hope that all Ministers at all times would adopt such a course to allow for a substantive amount of time for debate. Let me also at this point, Mr. Chai rman, thank the highly capable and competent staff who work in the Ministry of Home Affairs, led by, of course, Ms. Rozy Azhar, who is the embodiment of sincere co mmitment and dedication. And I have had the pleasure of working with a number of members of the Ministry over time, and I always get a timely and effective r esponse to my queries. I just want to publicly acknowledge their service. M r. Chairman, I am going to speak primarily about (perhaps not surprisingly) immigration matters. But I would like to first go to the last head, which is the Registry General, and make a few observations. Then I will go to Consumer Affairs and then revert back to what I see as the bulk of what I will be speaking on today. Just where the Minister ended, on copyright, it is obviously quite true and long- standing that when you create intellectual property, the minute you pub-lish it you automatically have copyright. And the fact that people are actually approaching the Ministry for some kind of certificate to support it means that there is a lacuna in information dissemination. So, we need to have that part addressed. I would not want to e ncourage the Minister to look at registration from a rev-enue standpoint. As much as the Government needs money, it seems somewhat inappropriate to be trying to take money from people to signify their copyright when it has been long- standing international law that you have copyright based on what you produce. And so, it seems to me a matter that can be more readily resolved through information dissemination rather than creating a system whereby we can extract reve-nue from these people. Because, you know, intellec-tual output, creative output, is what a country needs. And we should want to encourage it. And I would not want to see a price attached to that. With regard to the Registry General and some of its performance of duties, there is a great potential for additional revenue, Madam Minister, through a wider utilisation of marriage ceremonies through that office. I understand there is a matter currently before the courts that might have some impact on that. But, clearly, as we become a more modern society and we embrace more consi stently human rights principles, which include allowing people, irrespective of their gender makeup, to actually get married, then we will have an additional source of revenue stream. So, I would encourage the Minister to encourage her Government and to encourage this Parli ament to try to move in ways that are consistent with what are increasingly being seen as obvious and necessary steps in the international arena with regard to same -sex marriage. So let us do that. And if you want to use an economic argument for it, This will generate additional revenue, then so be it. It is a shame that we have to identify economic arguments to pursue what many see as fundamental human rights matters. But that is where we are in what we call 21 st century Bermuda. Mr. Chairman, let me refer a little bit to Consumer Affairs. That department has a mandate to ad-dress issues of consumer protection. And again, there are two areas where I think there needs to be a far greater degree of a proactive intervention. And that involves what I call the “price- gouging” in certain sectors of Bermuda. One is clearly financial services. The banks have license to levy any fee they see fit on their customers, and the pricing mechanisms are getting increasingly offensive. I recall a number of years ago when online banking first emerged, and the banks were encouraging everyone to get rid of these cheques. You don’t need to write out cheques anymore. Go to online banking. And the criticism was, Well, all you’re going to do is start
Bermuda House of Assembly charging us fees. And the banks were insistent that, if you adopt online banking, you would eliminate your cheque fees, and it is free to use online banking. That was the mantra, I do not know how many years it was now, but a number of years ago. And you now see this inc rease in fees being attached by banks to your utilisation of services. Butterfield Bank has the audac ity to charge 25 cents for an intrabank transfer. So you transfer money from one account at Butterfield Bank to another, and they charge 25 cents. That is just mean- spirited and greedy. So, consumer protection? Let us go after some of the big boys. Let us not allow them to just get away with price- gouging techniques. The other matter to be addressed is where you have an account that is dormant. But every month, the bank charges fees for a dormant account. And at some point, they charge you a fee, and they put your account into an overdrawn position. They then charge you another overdraft fee. I mean, that is price -gouging. That is bad consumer interaction. And I would like to see the Consumer Affairs Department go after some of these big players. Let them know it is an inappropriate, unconscionable act to undertake. You do not put an account into an overdrawn position because of the fees you charge, and then charge them a fee because they went overdrawn! How does a chequing account without an overdraft go overdrawn? It should not go overdrawn. How does a debit card get overdrawn when you do not have an overdraft? So that is just set up to gouge people. And it needs to stop. And if they cannot do it on their own, because banks . . . I see my good friend over there, who represents one of the institutions. I know she is not complicit in any of this, the Honourable Member. But it needs to end. And while it is appropriate to look at what I call the lower level of consumer infractions, these are the big price points. They really get at every single person in this country. And then you might also want to look at the insurance companies, especially with regard to medi-cal insurance. We know there is a problem with health care. And many of us want to see ways in which it can be reduced. But all that the health insurance compa-nies do is just factor in whatever their costs are and do an appropriate mark -up for your premium s the next year, without regard to the impact on people. Because their primary concern is their bottom line. And every time I see a $50 million, $60 million, $70 million, $80 million net income for an insurance company, that is cost excess through premiums . So, they have made a lot of money off of increasing rates. So, I would like to see some proactive intervention along these lines. So if that could be done, the consumer would be in a better position and we would have a much greater level of comfort that the alloc ation of funds for Consumer Affairs is looking at the multitude of issues that relate to Consumer Affairs and not its smaller section. I want to move now, Mr. Chairman, to matters involving the Immigration Department and the Ministry as a whole. The Minister spoke about a number of issues involving immigration. Let me just talk first about some efficiencies that I think can come about in immigration. I listened to the Minister speak about the new border control system (I am not sure I have got the right name—DMS?— whatever it is called) to adopt new technology. And that is as a consequence of 3M going out of the business. But there is a mas-sive opportunity for the adoption of new technology, which the Minister has not commented on. And I was hoping when she started talking about new software and digitisation that she was going to say what would be an obvious step. And that is to digitise and to cr eate an electronic platform for the submission of work permit applications. Right now, it is terribly, terribly paper -driven. I feel sorry for every single tree that is involved in our immigration matters, because we are just cutting down trees to process all of these work permit applications. So, we need a digital format for that. And, Mr. Chairman, what? You should know of all people, because you are the Chairman of the Immigration Board.
Mr. Walton BrownRight, a lot of paper . I have heard a story of one particular employer, they have about 300 work permits. They have to have a truck to deliver their work permit applications. I know that is an urban tale, but that is the story I was told.
Mr. Walton BrownAn urban legend. They had a truck to deliver their work permit applications. And it seems terribly inefficient in 21 st century Bermuda, right, one of the primary offshore financial centres in the world, who are supposedly so tied in with technology, that we have not figured out a way …
An urban legend. They had a truck to deliver their work permit applications. And it seems terribly inefficient in 21 st century Bermuda, right, one of the primary offshore financial centres in the world, who are supposedly so tied in with technology, that we have not figured out a way to digitise the electronic submission of work permit appl ications. Now, what would it do? It would free up staff to do other areas of work (that I will speak to later), first of all. A lot of it is very routine. And if you have some files already in the system, there is no need to resubmit, because you have ready access to it. And I know one response will be, Where’s the money going to come from to deliver it? I can pretty much guarantee that many employers would not have a problem paying a little bit extra if they knew that, over a one- , two -, or may be three- year period, those funds will be used to provide for a far more efficient work permit submission process because they would not have to be going through all the massive paper-work that is required. There are like 30 pages per ap1454 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly plication. I did one, and I was stressed—just one. And I do not like paperwork. So, why not look at that? It is cheaper in the long term. It is more effective, more efficient. The Minister spoke about the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Working Group. I know a little bit about that, Mr. Chairman. So, let me just speak to the origins of it, the work process and how this group is saving Government thousands of dollars, how it is doing the work that really should have been done out of the Ministry. But for reasons which at some point may well become clear, the Minister, and not this cur-rent Minister, but the previous Minister, undertook a course of action that clearly lacked careful, erudite analysis and understanding of the issue. The whole question of immigration, as we know, is fraught with the legacy of the past and co ncerns about race, politics, and elections. That has been the history. Let us go back to 1834 when the first set of controls was put in place, and you will see. We have a long history. I am not going to provide that hi storical analysis here today. But if anyone is interested, I do have a YouTube video on the history of immigr ation policy. So, you can look it up, and you can critique that. But, Mr. Chairman, the Government last year tabled a Bill that was the most expansive and aggressive piece of legislation regarding immigration that this country has ever seen— ever. It proposed to grant st atus to everyone who had been here for 20 years. It proposed to grant PRC to everyone who had been here for 15 years, with virtually no consultation whatsoever. This proposed legislation produced a visceral response. It produced a massive protest to this Go vernment. And it eventually led to the Government’s stepping back. I might add, Mr. Chairman, that this piece of legislation was proposed despite two and a half, three years of repeated efforts on this side of the House for the Government to engage in a genuine collaborative process to effect immigration reform, precisely because we know that immigration matters are fraught with controversy, fraught with emotion and have, of course, political components attached to them. But that was ignored.
The ChairmanChairmanWhich line item are we referring to, sir?
Mr. Walton BrownWe are referring to I mmigration policy. If you read the mandate of the Department of Immigration, it has a clear set of policy directives. And as the Minister spoke to the Comprehensive Immigr ation Reform Working Group, without comment from the Chair, I too am referring to the origins …
We are referring to I mmigration policy. If you read the mandate of the Department of Immigration, it has a clear set of policy directives. And as the Minister spoke to the Comprehensive Immigr ation Reform Working Group, without comment from the Chair, I too am referring to the origins of this group and its mandate. So, this group was the creation of a way forward, to resolve the impasse that took place on these grounds a year ago. And as the Minister said, it initial-ly comprised 10 members. It now comprises nine. And I am a member of that group. We met every week, three times a week initially. We now meet twice a week. There are members in the community who are impatient for change, and they want to know why we are taking so long. Well, part of the reason is that when the Government proposed legislation regarding mixed-status families, there was no definition of what a mixed- status family is. How do you pass laws invol ving a mixed- status family when there is no definition? So we had to come up with an understanding of what it meant, because how else can you formulate laws if you do not unders tand? The early legislation did not effect that understand ing. Anyway, so the group is meeting a nd we will come up with proposed legislation in due course. That is our mandate. But alongside that, the Labour Adv isory Council [LAC] committee was meant to deal with a set of issues that run in tandem with the issues raised and looked at by the working group. Unfort unately, that LAC has not been meeting with anywhere near the regularity of the working group, and so they are very far behind. The Minister did speak to the LAC, but the Minister would know that they have produced nothing since March of last year. They have produced abs olutely nothing. And the letter which authorised the cr eation of the working group and the LAC focus meant that those matters were to be addressed in tandem. They have not been addressed in tandem. And so, we run the risk of the entire process being challenged or compromised because of lack of progress in the — Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Point of clarif ication, if I may.
The ChairmanChairmanHonourable Member, take your seat. Go ahead, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I think that the Honourable Member is perhaps mixing apples with oranges in this instance, because the mandate that was given to the Labour Advisory Council was not that they would be having …
Honourable Member, take your seat. Go ahead, Minister.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. I think that the Honourable Member is perhaps mixing apples with oranges in this instance, because the mandate that was given to the Labour Advisory Council was not that they would be having weekly meetings. They had three distinctive areas of concern that they were meant to address. And they have been addressing those concerns. It is not going to be done with the regularity of the public meetings of the Immigration Reform Working Group, to get that kind of feedback. But I did highlight in my brief . . . and I would be happy to go over it again at some point. But I just did not want us to conflate two things that are not actually in tandem going down the same path.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Honourable Member. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Walton Brown: Well, I thank the Minister for that comment. But I think we are saying the same thing. The only issue that the Minister was focused on was the frequency of meetings. They do not meet as fr equently …
Thank you, Minister. Honourable Member.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Walton Brown: Well, I thank the Minister for that comment. But I think we are saying the same thing. The only issue that the Minister was focused on was the frequency of meetings. They do not meet as fr equently as the working group meets. But they were authorised by the same letter to undertake their r esponsibilities. They were authorised by that letter to undertake those responsibilities simultaneously. The issue of frequency is a separate matter. So, they do not meet as frequently as we do. We are just much more dedicated a people. They do not meet as fr equently, but —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is not fair.
Mr. Walton BrownOkay. Maybe it is not fair. But that is the truth. They do not meet as frequently as we do. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownOkay. Maybe it is not fair to them [but do not take it very seriously then. Okay, fine. But I could tell you one thing, Mr. Chairman. They have not produced anything in a year. That is a fact. So, let us assume they take it seriously. Let us assume …
Okay. Maybe it is not fair to them [but do not take it very seriously then. Okay, fine. But I could tell you one thing, Mr. Chairman. They have not produced anything in a year. That is a fact. So, let us assume they take it seriously. Let us assume that they are keen to have their matters ad-dressed. The question becomes, Why after one year have they produced nothing? So that is a question to be answered. Mr. Chairman, I want to talk a little bit about the responsibility in the Immigration Department to vigorously investigate immigration infractions. That is in the mandate of the department. But I had to smile when I read that, because I do not know if that is just a legacy of the past, and it has always been there and it has just been put in again. And this is not to denigrate anyone in the Ministry, but that clearly is not the work effort of the Ministry, because the work effort of the Ministry, and they do it very seriously, is to investigate infractions once they have been reported to them. That is what they do. They do that very efficient-ly. I have no question about that whatsoever. I have for example someone who was working here on a construction site illegally. I checked my source. I got it double- verified. I contacted the Mini stry, and the Ministry acted immediately. The young man was sent off -Island. So, I have no doubt, once they get information, they act vigorously on it. The problem is twofold. One, the employer seems to get a light touch. The employee is almost invariably som eone who comes from a poor country, who has been lured here by the allure of making big bucks, a few hundred bucks —big by their standards, a few hundred bucks, a thousand bucks —because they know very little about how things operate. And they have an un-scrupulous employer, who comes in, gets them to work. They get caught out, and they are the ones who get sent back. The employer gets a little touch on the wrist. What I want to see is much more robust penalties for the employers, because nobody can come here to work for somebody else on their own. It is the employer who does it. And we put so much focus on the employee, who is, oftentimes, really a victim, real-ly a victim. Because in many countries, if you can send back $200 a month for your family, you are send ing back a lot of money. So, we need to be more empathetic about these kinds of circumstances. Yes, they should not be working illegally. But the primary culprit is not the offending worker/employee. Half the time, their English- language skills may not even be sufficient to understand exactly what they are doing, because they are just told everything is fine, they are going to work. So, let us focus much more so on the employer. You want to talk about revenue source? That is where you can get some money. The fines now are at such a low level that the unscrupulous employer can just write that off as the cost of doing business. Because he —you know, almost every case is a he — he has exploited so many workers over the months or years that a $5,000 or $10,000 fine is nothing com-pared to what he has gotten out of those employees. So, you are going to get a new system for bringing in the people, for monitoring those who come in; you should be able to have that system coded to know, to identify patterns. Because I know what happens, and it is a public secret, immigration, Members. It is a pub-lic secret that people come in to work for construction companies and landscaping companies. They come for three months at a time. They work illegally. They go back home, and then they come back. It is just ac-cepted. Everyone knows. People in the business know about it. You should be able to identify, with a properly designed immi gration system, who is coming here for three months, leaving for a week or two or a month, and coming back. Then when you are assessed by profession, you say, Hmmm. So you are a labourer coming to Bermuda for three months on vacation? And you are doing it twice in a year? That should raise an alarm bell. Because most labourers I know cannot go on vacation for three months ever, not to mention twice a year. So that should be a way of identifying— [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownRight. I have not even had a three- week vacation in 20 years. So, when you come here for three months and you are a labourer, that should be an alarm bell. Okay? But let us go after the employers. So, what I wil l say is that you cannot …
Right. I have not even had a three- week vacation in 20 years. So, when you come here for three months and you are a labourer, that should be an alarm bell. Okay? But let us go after the employers. So, what I wil l say is that you cannot have as part of your mandate, that you aggressively pursue 1456 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly infractions, if you have a passive disposition. If you are waiting on people to come to you with information, you are never going to get at the magnitude of the problem. So, we need to have a proactive approach to it. You will get more money. You will identify more employers. You cannot wait for people to come to you. You cannot. And I understand the challenges in government. But if you can send health inspectors around to look to see who has a pot full of water and whether that is going to create mosquitos and di sease, you can send someone around to different work sites. We will just do a little spot check. We are going to just see what is going on. And what do you do? You are protecting employees, Bermudian and those on permits. Because every time an unscrupulous em-ployer is able to get away with hiring five, ten or more employees without work permits, that is a job denied to a Bermudian. That is tax revenue not coming into Government, because they are not paying payroll tax. They are not paying any taxes. So, it is incumbent upon Government, r esponsible Government, to address these issues as a matter of urgency. Otherwise, we are just talking. We are just giving out platitudes about how we care about these issues and how we want them addressed. These positions need to be reflected in concrete ac-tions. You cannot say you believe in something if you do not act on it. You need to act on it in ways that are meaningful. And I recommend an increase in penal-ties for those unscrupulous employers. I would also venture to say that those employers who are serial or who have committed serious infractions should be put on a work permit stop list for a period of time. If you believe that your modus op-erandi to be to flaunt immigration laws on a regular basis, then you should be denied some work permits for a little while. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownGovernment contracts should be a given, as well, exactly. Right. There was a hotelier who used to routinely . . . I do not know, it was some hotel down in the East End. I cannot remember the name right now. He would bring in people to do renovations. And …
Government contracts should be a given, as well, exactly. Right. There was a hotelier who used to routinely . . . I do not know, it was some hotel down in the East End. I cannot remember the name right now. He would bring in people to do renovations. And when he was caught, Okay. I just paid a fine. But the hotel was able to go ahead and bring in their staff as needed. That is untenable! It shows disrespect for government. It denied government tax revenue. And we need to have a firm response to it. Mr. Chairman, speaking about the issue of workers, government revenue, because we are looking at the budget, we need to look at the plight of the marginalised worker. And you can find those who con-tribute to the abuse of such workers. We need to cr eate a code of conduct of how employers handle their employees, whether they are on work permits or not. You cannot allow for a situation where a company can hire someone, say to Immigration, We are providing housing for that person, and then have that person living in substandard housing. There has to be—there has to be some involvement of Immigration when it comes to the issuance of these permits. And there has to be some financial penalty imposed where you allow a situation of substandard housing. I remember one person I was speaking with and working with. He is no longer here. He had been a waiter, lived in a house, a three- bedroom house. He was one of four men living in one bedroom —four men living in one bedroom. So, the other two rooms had four people in them, as well. So, you had 12 people living in a house, in a three- bedroom house. Oka y? He was paying $800 for that room —I am sorry, for that bed in that room —which was automatically deducted from his pay. So, the employer has a system that is set up, which Immigration probably does not always fully grasp, because you are focused on one part of the puzzle. The employer says, We will provide housing. It is substandard. The wooden floors are warped, and the bathroom does not work properly, and everything looks pretty disgusting. The roof is black, and it is not because they have black tile. And so, $800 comes out of that person’s pay. They probably get $5.25 an hour, $5.75 an hour plus grats, when the grats are properly shared. And you have substandard conditions. We need a code of conduct that imposes fines on employers who provide such working conditions. I know my colleague, the Honourable Rolfe Commi ssiong, has talked quite a bit about a living wage. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownOkay. He is being modest today; so other people have talked. If I did not mention his name he would have been upset. Now I am mention-ing it and he is saying other people. Yes. Rolfe Com-missiong initiated that campaign for a living wage. Let me give him full credit. …
Okay. He is being modest today; so other people have talked. If I did not mention his name he would have been upset. Now I am mention-ing it and he is saying other people. Yes. Rolfe Com-missiong initiated that campaign for a living wage. Let me give him full credit. He initiated that campaign tal king about a living wage. How do you have people workin g in the country a full day’s work, a full week’s work, and not earn enough for a minimum standard of living in 21 st century Bermuda? We like to pride ourselves on how good we are in so many areas. Why cannot we look at this? The Ministry of Home Affairs and the Department of Immigration already have in their work permit policy a minimum wage. But it is for one very limited category of employee. It is for the domestic, $10 an hour. It is not a living wage, but it is a minimum wage, $10 an hour. What if we [were] to take that concept and expand it more generally to look at issues of emplo yment in all areas? A proper minimum wage—and that is not a living wage —but a first step might be a minimum wage. You get to a living wage, a minimum wage, guess what will happen, Mr. Chairman? E mployers will no longer have that incentive to hire highly
Bermuda House of Assembly exploitable people from poor countries in the world. They will not. Because they will have to pay them the same wage they pay locals. And that is the reason why we have hotel s or restaurants, and they cannot find Bermudians. Of course they can. They under-stand why they do it. We understand why they do it. Because it is cheaper for them to do it. I have seen some restaurants that used to have 80 per cent Bermudian workers. I have seen some restaurants that have 95 per cent foreign wor kers. So, do not tell me you cannot find Bermudian workers. It is a question of what the financial structure is. That is the impact. And so, the Department of I mmigration, if it revises its policy, can have that addressed. I understand, based on our debate last week, Madam Minister, that we are going to count enance a revision regarding entertainers (which we will talk about in a second). But if we can countenance a revision with regard to the entert ainers to ensure they are better respected and to give them better opport unities in the country, then we need to provide a base living wage or a base minimum wage for employees. It is not only the right and just thing to do, but it benefits the country, and it benefits the people. So, as we have this $10 minimum wage for the domestics, I would like to encourage the Depar tment of Immigration to look at a revision of that as it relates to, for example, landscapers and hospitality workers, because that would help to raise the overall standard. You cannot have a system in 21 st century Bermuda that guarantees someone’s pay based on how busy that place is. Okay, so the restaurant was slow tonight, so you only made $100. Your rent has not gone down. Your grocery b ill is still the same. But your pay has been reduced. What kind of a society are we living in when an employer can tell an employee, Business was slow today, so your pay is less ? It does not happen in f inancial services. It does not happen here. When we have a slow day in Parliament, does our pay go down? And sometimes, we have slow days; som etimes we have excruciating days. But that is just be-cause of the nature of debate. But, Mr. Chairman, we cannot have these kinds of policies in 21 st century Bermuda. W e rely, in hospitality, on tips, the service charge to pay people properly. That cannot be an ac-ceptable standard today. It just cannot be. So, if you want to have proper employment, real opportunities, then we need to revisit it. In some countries, you know, it is offensive to give people a tip. Because the implication is that, What? You do not think I am getting paid enough? In some Asian cultures, some European countries, you do not get tips, you do not give tips. It is not the cultural practice, becaus e the employees are paid properly. We have gone in this country to a system where wages have, over time, gone down in hospital ity with just over -reliance on gratuities. So the emplo yer escapes the responsibility. If the employer has hired you, the employer should be responsible for your paycheque, not how busy the restaurant is or how busy the hotel is. So, we need to get back to that point, back to the 1960s before we had gratuities. Some of you are too young to remember back then. I only know be-cause I am a historian. But, Mr. Chairman, back in the 1960s, people were paid well in hospitality.
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownThey built houses. The tips were just something on top of it. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownWe have changed it now. We have gone, you know . . . people get offended when I refer to sort of . . . my leader gets offended when I talk about Marxism and the economy. [Laughter]
Mr. Walton BrownBut Karl Marx talked about the commodification of labour. When you just look at ev erything as a commodity, which with volume can go down, that is what we have done. We have looked at labour as a commodity. The wages have just gone down. Benefits have gone down. [Inaudible …
Mr. Walton BrownI am showing my ag e, yes. Benefits have gone down. But at what price? And then you hear the lament that nobody wants to work in hospitality. My father was a proud bartender. He made good money, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, right up until he passed in the early 2000s. …
I am showing my ag e, yes. Benefits have gone down. But at what price? And then you hear the lament that nobody wants to work in hospitality. My father was a proud bartender. He made good money, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, right up until he passed in the early 2000s. He worked at a number of hotel properties. But in 1972 my father was a bartender, and my mother, who was a waitress, were able to buy a house out in the Honourable Mini ster Jeanne Atherden’s constituency. In 1972. You tell me, what bartender and waitress today can afford to buy a house in Bermuda? For me, that is a sign of our lack of progress. Because our progress, in my mind, is not . . . I know I digress, Mr. Chairman. But our pr ogress is not about how many international companies we have and how much intellectual capital we have, which they always like to tell us about. But it is how well the people in the country are living. And our immigration laws and our labour laws have to be such that they give people a basic and a minimum standard of living in this country. And if you do not see that as a priority, you do not deserve to govern. If you do not see people as the priority of a government, as opposed to some artificial notion about debt -to-GDP ratio, if you do not see the ultimate beneficiaries of policy as being people, then you do 1458 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly not deserve to govern. You do not deserve to have a mandate. So, I will encourage the Ministry to re- examine the issue of minimum wage. It is a deterrent. It is what explains why so many people have gone overseas to live. Who in their right mind . . . think about it, Mr. Chairman. You have spent time in England, I take it.
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownNetherlands. Good for you. Who in their right mind is going to want to leave Bermuda, Horseshoe Beach, and go and live in Birmingham? And then go and try to finagle with the system to extract benefits? So you can get £ 50 for groceries and your rent paid, living …
Netherlands. Good for you. Who in their right mind is going to want to leave Bermuda, Horseshoe Beach, and go and live in Birmingham? And then go and try to finagle with the system to extract benefits? So you can get £ 50 for groceries and your rent paid, living in dire, drab, cold, damp, lack -of-sun conditions? Who really wants to do that? Nobody wants to do that. They have done so out of economic necessity —economic necessity. What I want for a government to do, a government that cares, is to ensure that pay scales in this country are such that people can live and pay their bills, and have a little bit extra to take home, and like my father and my mother, buy a house, send your children to school, pay for your groceries, not relying on social assistance. You do not want to have a coun-try in which 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 people are relying on the government for $100 a week or $300 a week. That is not sustainable. It is demoralising, and it is just not right. So, the Department of Immigration can play a powerful role in helping to take us along that path t oward greater opportunities for people. Re- examine the application of minimum wage. Go from the domestics at $10 and see what other categories it can be applied to. My recommendation is to apply it to hospitality in the first instance. How do we expect someone to stand outside of a door and smile at people coming into the hotel, and they are getting paid $5.25 an hour? How do you expect people to do that? Just be grateful you have a job? There is something to be said about dignity in work. There is something to be said about people being paid properly for their time and for their eff orts. We need to do that. Mr. Chairman, I want to talk about maybe one other issue before lunch, and then I will continue after lunch. And that relates to when the Minister spoke about the Jamaican convicts who were sent on a pr ivate jet . . . they were deported. They were sent on a private jet down to Jamaica. That was the way of get-ting rid of them because the US . . . I know, I know.
[Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Walton BrownRight, right. They were sent on the Regiment’s jet down to Jamaica. Right. Right. So, this is sort of tangentially related, but it is an important issue for the country because it has f inancial repercussions for us and it falls under the Government. And that involves four stranded individu-als …
Right, right. They were sent on the Regiment’s jet down to Jamaica. Right. Right. So, this is sort of tangentially related, but it is an important issue for the country because it has f inancial repercussions for us and it falls under the Government. And that involves four stranded individu-als in Bermuda. In 2009 there was a very bold and humanitarian gesture undertaken by former Premier, Dr. Brown, in bringing [to Bermuda] four men, who were illegally detained for eight years in Guantanamo Bay, never charged with anything, and yet eventually fully exonerated of any even potential crime. When the Premier undertook that decision, despite any comment (irrelevant to me what the Bri tish had to say), that was a bold humanitarian gesture. And it set the precedent, because Bermuda was the first country in the world to take people from Gua ntanamo to assist President Obama to close down Guantanamo Bay —a bold humanitarian gesture. Some people here are very upset. The British act like they are upset. So be it. But the challenge now is that they are here, and the British Government, in its ty pical petulant di sposition, is not providing any means for them to get travel documents. I said to the previous Premier, There is a solution, you know. And the Minister ident ified what that solution is. Put them on a private jet to a country that will accept them. Do not worry about the British. The British have no decision. Despite what they say, they have no responsibility. They have no control over whom we allow into our country. And the very fact that we would entertain any discussions with the UK about who we can allow into our country shows our own weakness. We do not need to talk to Britain about whom we allow into our own country. Our Constitution says we have control over immigr ation, not the UK. And it was the UK who said the line between domesti c and international matters has become blurred in the 21 st century era. They said it. So, it has blurred. So, let us show some leadership. There are a number of countries that would happily take in the U ighurs. So, Minister, let us be bold. Do not worry about the British. They have no constitutional responsibil ities. Do not worry about the Governor. We can act on that. We undertook a bold humanitarian gesture. Now the British are being a pain because they will not give travel documents. That is their issue. It should not b ecome our issue. We can resolve it in the same way that you were able to resolve that matter by sending the Jamaicans to Jamaica on that jet, because the British, the Americans, and the Canadians would not allow them to transit. So, we can do things on our own in that regard. That is my comment on the Uighurs. I now want to go and talk about passports, Mr. Chairman, but I am happy to be guided by your direc-tion.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. I would ask the Premier to . . . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we adjourn for lunch. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay. The House will adjourn for lunch and will resume, at 2:00 pm, with Heads 93, 27 and 29. …
Yes. I would ask the Premier to . . . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we adjourn for lunch.
Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Okay. The House will adjourn for lunch and will resume, at 2:00 pm, with Heads 93, 27 and 29.
[Gavel]
Proceedings suspended at 12:32 pm
Proceedings resumed at 2:02 pm
[Hon. Den nis P. Lister , Chairman]
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY
ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPEND ITURE FOR THE YEAR 2017/18
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
[Continuation thereof]
The ChairmanChairmanGood afternoon. We are resuming the debate on the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Heads 93, 27, and 29. The Minister made her presentation. I believe the Shadow Minister is on his feet. Shadow Minister Brown, would you like to continue? And just for clarity, we end at four o’clock …
Mr. Walton BrownThank you, Mr. Chairman. I am grateful for your permission to proceed. I have touched on many of the key areas I wished to speak on, Mr. Chairman. And there is just one remaining topic that I would like to raise for the Minister’s comment and response to it. And …
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am grateful for your permission to proceed. I have touched on many of the key areas I wished to speak on, Mr. Chairman. And there is just one remaining topic that I would like to raise for the Minister’s comment and response to it. And that, of course, relates to the question of the Bermuda pas sport. It has become a matter of controversy because of the decision, shall I say the irresponsible decision, taken by the UK Government to have the passports recoded to indicate that they are full -fledged UK pas sports as opposed to Bermuda- issued UK passports, which have a significant difference in interpretation when immigration agencies around the world and air-lines around the world scan them in to assess what kind of access these passport holders have to their particular country. I might say, Mr. Chairman, that the decision by the UK Government to undertake this is part of a long-term strategy of the UK to eliminate the Bermuda passports altogether. And I say that because of the developments that I have witnessed over the past 15 years with regard to the UK and their actions. And with your permission, Mr. Chairman, I would just like to provide a bit of context for understanding this, because the loss of the issuance of these passports will take away from our revenue stream, so there is the financial matter, obviously, during the Budget Debate. But more fundamentally, it will provide a long- term challenge for Bermuda in a mult itude of areas. Let me just say, Mr. Chairman, that the UK Gove rnment, they adopt a long- term strategy when they undertake directions. So, this decision was not something that came about at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office [FCO] in the last few years; this was long in coming. And just by way of contrast so that pe ople can follow the logic and that this is not something that I am just making up, you would know that in 1980 the Unit-ed Kingdom Government made a request of the Chi-nese Government. They wanted to extend the 99- year lease over Hong Kong by another 99 year s. China refused because Britain had effectively forced that 99-year lease on China as a result of their victory in one of many, many wars. So China refused. And in r esponse, the United Kingdom Government promulgat-ed the British Nationality Act [1981]. That had a big impact on us. Because the British Nationality Act, for the first time, created three different tiers of British citizenship. Up until that point, we were all British cit izens. We all in law had the right to live and work in the UK because we were all British subjects. In 1983, the British Government changed the law and created three types of citizens —the full British citizen, who had the right to live and work in the UK and do whatever else UK citizens do; the British overseas citizen, those persons who were the leftovers, shall we say, of the British Colonial Empire in India, Uganda, Kenya, who were British citizens —who were British nationals by family, but not otherwise. So, they were made British overseas citizens; and then the British dependent territory citizens, us in the Colonies. And that is how the nomenclature was created. So we, the British dependent territory citizens, do not have the right of abode in the UK. That was taken away. The reason that was done, Mr. Chairman, was to prevent the seven million Hong Kong Chinese from claiming British citizenship in 1997. So, they passed laws in 1982 to address what they saw as a challenge in 1997. So, they planned for the long term. That is why I made that point. Of course, once the issue of the Hong Kong Chinese was resolved in 1997 and there were no court cases of people claiming their ancestral rights to the UK and so on, the British could, in 2002, pass a new law called the British Overseas Territories Act, which gave all remaining overseas territories once again full British citizenship. For those who do not know the context, they all celebrated. Oh, the British are so nice and so kind; they gave us all British cit izenship! Well, we had it [before] up until 1982. They gave it back in 2002 because the Hong Kong threat was no longer present. So likewise, with this particular passport matter, the British Government has an agenda. And the agenda is to have . . . part of the agenda is to co nvince the world, and in particular the United Nations 1460 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Decolonisation Committee, that the overseas territ ories citizens have made a decision. They no longer seek independence or self -governance. They are fine with their present colonial and constitutional status. I have been involved with that committee since 1990. And I know intimately how the UK has presented themselves and their arguments. Sorry, I was involved in 1990 to 2005; I am no longer actively involved (sorry). I was involved for 15 years. And so that is part of this strategy. They r esent having another body like the United Nations hav-ing oversight. And so, since 1990, they have tried to convince the UN Decolonisation Committee, either directly or through their surrogates —because som etimes they get other countries to come and lobby on their behalf —to de-list. They want the remaining overseas territories to be de- listed from the UN list of the overseas or British non- self-governing territories. And the more they can show a seamlessness between the UK and these overseas territories, the stronger and more compelling they believe the argument will be for the eventual de- listing. So, they promulgated misi nformation by saying the overseas territories do not want it. And now they are trying to have the seamlessness with regard to passports. The UK stated pub licly that they will be mo ving toward adopting, or taking responsibility for, the issuance of all of the overseas territories’ passports primarily for reasons to do with security. That was the argument advanced. Is “hogwash” an appropriate parliamentary term, Mr. Chairman?
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownThank you. It is hogwash! That is more polite than other words I might . . . okay. So we will say “ hogwash. ” The British know very well that there has not been a single overseas territory passport that went missing through some lack of intervention or lack …
Thank you. It is hogwash! That is more polite than other words I might . . . okay. So we will say “ hogwash. ” The British know very well that there has not been a single overseas territory passport that went missing through some lack of intervention or lack of control by an overseas territory’s government. They know full well that has not been the case. But they do know that a few years ago an entire truckload of Brit-ish passports went missing in the UK. So, the UK has mislaid or has had UK passports stolen. Not a single overseas territory has been responsible for such. So, it cannot be the security argument. They also argue that, Well, these new passports are biometric. They will contain biometrics, and therefore they have to be done in a central location. Hogwash again, Mr. Chai rman!
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton BrownWell, it is a better choice in terms of parliamentary language than some other words. But I did not know until the Minister said earl ier today that the actual issuance of passports is farmed out to a private agency. I am happy to be corrected on that, but I …
Well, it is a better choice in terms of parliamentary language than some other words. But I did not know until the Minister said earl ier today that the actual issuance of passports is farmed out to a private agency. I am happy to be corrected on that, but I believe in your brief you mentioned a third party that the UK have actually contrac ted with to issue these passports. But I did not know that. So, I am happy to be elucidated on that matter and to get clarification. Because that just weakens even further this whole argument about security, if you are giving it to a third party to implement. So, we will lose funds over this. I am hoping that the overseas territories, at least on this issue, can demonstrate a greater degree of collective activity and challenge the UK on this matter, because it does not bode well for the future. It does not bode well for the future in terms of the issuance of emergency pas sports, because there is a stock of emergency pas sports now. But once they get used up, that is it. And emergencies are, by definition, unpredictable. We will lose that capacity. It can take four to six weeks to get a passport from the UK. You used to be able to get it in a day or two if it was an emergency, here in Bermuda. So, for those reasons alone, we should want to get that right back. We should want to get that right back because of the revenue stream, because it is control, and because of what it means for the long term. I have said on many occasions, and I will co ntinue to say it, and I do not care who gets frustrated by it—the fact of the matter is that the United Kingdom Government, since the issuance of its first White P aper on its colonies in 1999, has progressively been devolving power back to the UK. And we sit by and we allow it to happen. We sit by and we allow it to ha ppen! And it is a weak government that allows that to happen, to allow the UK to gradually erode the power that we have to exert under our Constitution. Just as a refresher, it was the UK Government in . . . (what was it?) 2004 or 2005 that misinformed the European Union Visa Section that overseas terr itory citizens did not have the right of abode in the UK—misinformed! I have seen the e- mails from the Home Office to the Visa Section in the European U nion, telling these European bureaucrats that overseas territories citizens did not have the right of abode in the UK. Hogwash! Completely and utterly untrue, b ecause the British Overseas Territories Act 2002 gave all of us citizenship once again. But it was on the ba-sis of that misinformation sent by the United Kingdom Government to the European Union that Bermuda and other overseas territories, with the exception of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas), and Gibraltar, were put on a visa control list for the Schengen Area and the European Union. On that basis alone; misinformation. What does it say, Mr. Chairman? It tells you that the United Kingdom Government does not have the interest of its colonies at heart, and they never have. And so it is incumbent upon us to exert greater control to get it done. I remember going to the FCO and the Home Office in (I don’t know, it must have been) 2009 to say
Bermuda House of Assembly to them, We have the automatic right of abode in the UK because you passed the law. And therefore, we are entitled to have a stamp in our passport that says, “Right of Abode in the UK .” They all agreed. I said, Well, give us the stamp. They would not. They made it very difficult for us to get that stamp in our passports. And so for a number of years more, we had to wait for the European Union to change its policy to allow us visa-free access to the European Union. And do you know how that happened, Mr. Chairm an? It only happened because of particular circumstances. Because the FCO and the Home O ffice refused to assist us in going to the European U nion. They refused to assist, to my face—We’re not going to help you. The next day I was with Dr. Brewer, Martin Brewer, we went. I was at the European Union the next day . . . sorry. We went to the European U nion, but we were met by the UK Ambassador to the European Union. I said, Are you going to help us to get over this visa issue with the Schengen Area? He says, Didn’t you meet with the Home Office yesterday in London? What did they tell you? So, he refused to help. So, we had to do it ourselves. It was only through my good friend, who at the time was the Ic elandic Ambassador to the European Union, Thorir I bsen, my old university and fellow colleague. He assisted us. He assisted Bermuda to get access to the European Union Visa Section. And only through his efforts and his opening of doors were we able to per-suade the European Union to put us on a visa exem ption list. It took years! Because the European Union moves very slowly. You think this Government is slow? Try the European Union. Well, we may not be in the Europe-an Union, much sooner, Mr. Chairman. Well, we will be, we will be. So that is an issue. We need to get back control over our passports for the revenue stream, for what it means for the country. I encourage the Minister, I encourage the Premier, to address this matter with a level of urgency. And just writing a letter to a bureaucrat or to a minister is not sufficient. Face to face, you have got to sit there face to face and argue. Do not be intimidated by the British. Well, no, I do not think anybody intimidates this Minister, I would have to say. I do not think you get easily intimidated. No. Then go to London. Go and meet with the FCO. Lay down the Bermuda position. And talk to the other overseas territories: Do not let them get away with such stupidity. Okay? Do not be afraid of the UK . The final matter that I have to speak to, it was not contained in the Minister’s brief, but it relates fundamentally to matters involving Bermudians and ac-cess and so forth. And that involves the relationship with the UK post Brexit. The Premier has been good to outline some of the procedural activities that have transpire d between Bermuda and overseas territories and UK. There are some important immigration and emigration matters that require assessment. I know the Ministry of Home Affairs is called the Ministry of Home Affairs. But it also has, to some extent, looked at issues of emigration. And there are a lot of Berm udians who have emigrated to the UK for any number of reasons. Those kinds of issues will need to be looked at. But a more fundamental issue, Mr. Chai rman, relates to the structural relationship that we will have with the European Union post Brexit and the need to ascertain what our interests are above and beyond what the UK interests might be. We have had, and we have heard a great deal of commentary from the business community about what Brexit means and the indications. And the bus iness community, they seem to be okay. But the bus iness community does not care about the political side. They do not care about the social side. So, let us not be placated by expressions of lack of concern from the business community; Government needs to lead based on the interests of the people. So, what are the implications? To what extent will the treaty obligations that we have entered into be voided, and what will be carried over? What will be the status of those Berm udians who are currently living in the European Union, in the Schengen Area of the European Union today? We have different views coming out of the UK about the extent to which the UK is going to press for full rights to be granted to those British citizens who are living in the European Union. But we do not know. Britain thinks they have all this leverage in the world. But what leverage do they have? We do not know. And just because you assert that you have leverage does not mean that you do. So, Mr. Chairman, this is a matter of urgency. Because we just found out today that the Prime Mini ster May is going to trigger Article 50 of the European Union conventions, so that the formal negotiations and discussions can commence next week. Well, we need to be sitting around that table! If not Bermuda individually, certainly the overseas territories. We cannot sit back and allow for the British Government to best represent our interests. History is full of exam-ples where the British Government does not represent our interests, does not care for our interests. And for all of the Anglophiles out there, get upset if you want. The history is exactly what it is. Right? Remember, Bermudians fought in World War I and World War II. Bermudians died on the battlefield to help Europe become free and democratic again. And they came back to a country that was neither free nor democratic, and Britain did nothing to help. Okay? Britain did nothing to help us end racial segregation, a vile force that permeated this country. Britain did not hing. Britain did nothing to make us become a dem ocratic country. Yet they extol themselves as the epi tome of democracy. So, do not wait for the British to address your interests. We need to do that ourselves. We need to do that ourselves. So, Mr. Chairman, that comprises the extent of my remarks today on these important matters. The Ministry is an important Ministry. It is small in size, but 1462 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly powerful in stature. It does provide a message about how people . . . it does provide a very powerful message about how a government intends to treat people, how we treat those people who come to work here, how we treat those who do live and work here, how we handle matters like the fundamental relevance of people, like your status in the country —whether you are a Bermudian, whether you a Bermudian by birth or by grant, whether you are . . . there is no such thing as an accidental Bermudian. Let us just get that straight, whether Bermudian by birth or by grant, whether you are a PRC holder or whether you are someone who has been born here and who has no legal status in Bermuda in terms of connectivity to the Island. So, Immigration and Home Affairs are fundamentally important. I am happy to be able to liaise with the Minister, who is open to dialogue. We do not have to agree on everything; that is the nature of our sy stem. But at the very least we can have an open, hon-est dialogue about the issues and work to see what issues can be resolved when the opportunities are appropriate. So with that, Mr. Chairman, I will take my seat. And hopefully, we will have a continued and r obust debate.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Shadow Minister. Does any other Member wish to continue this debate, speak to this debate? I recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Rolfe Commissiong. Mr. Commissiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongIt is all right. It happens. Mr. Chairman, I too want to just turn some attention to the lead Head, if you will, of the Ministry of Home Affairs. And within that, of course, we know that the Minister did speak to the formation of two sub-committees, one of which …
It is all right. It happens. Mr. Chairman, I too want to just turn some attention to the lead Head, if you will, of the Ministry of Home Affairs. And within that, of course, we know that the Minister did speak to the formation of two sub-committees, one of which is headed by the President of the BPSU, Mr. Jason Hayward. He was charged with, amongst other things, jumpstarting the Labour Advisory Council’s deliberations on the issue of a li ving wage, going back roughly a year ago. I share, of course . . . and I appreciate the comments by the Shadow Minister with respect to my advocacy on the issue of a living wage for a Bermudian, although I will reiterate that there are many others over the last few years who have been then co- advocators to ensure that this conversation lives and that the country begins to move in the direction that it offers more protection, or protections for Bermudian workers. Certainly, he made reference or reference was made to the fact that, at least for domestics, there is a minimum wage, and those are live- in domestics. And that is $10 an hour. Certainly, we know that $10 an hour is not a living wage in Bermuda. Certainly, one could say that, on paper, it is perhaps a poverty - level wage. But certainly, echoing his comments, it creates, to me, a pathway by, or a signpost by which we can build upon the early or earlier efforts that saw the establishment, at least for that relatively small occupational category, some degree of protection from the type of abuses that were going on in that sector, particularly for live- in maids and the like. We know that there are employers in Berm uda now who are paying . . . at least there are one or two who are paying no more than five or six dollars per hour. Is that not a poverty -level wage? Other employers are a little better. In our hotels, you are getting a basic wage for some tasks or some jobs within the hotel, no better than nine- plus dollars per hour. And then, of course, they will talk about the fact that, well, [those jobs] are also in these categories earning gr atuities, if they get them, as my colleague from constituency 17 interpolates. But certainly, even those who are getting gratuities, we have to acknowledge that that gravy train is perhaps six, seven months, eight months a year if you are lucky. What about the other four, five, or six months when the gratuities are mini-mal? Are they earning a living wage? Or are they earning a poverty -level wage for most of those who are toiling honestly for an honest day’s pay, which they are struggling to attain? So, getting back to the subcommittee, I have some questions. I will start posing questions now, as I move forward. With respect to that issue that was raised by the Honourable Minister, I just want to ask the following questions, and she can answer after I . . . and then I will move on to maybe Head 29 after I finish up here. When was the subcommit tee, which she referenced, convened? Number two, how many times has the aforementioned subcommittee met? Number three, can the Minister provide a status report as of March 2017 on the work done to date by the subcommittee, that she says was headed by Mr. J ason Hayward? With respect to the issue between a minimum and a living wage, and I declare my interests, I guess. As the Chairman of the Joint Select Committee that was empowered by this House to deal with the same issue, I think what we are talking about is something that goes just beyond the wage. You can have in my estimation a living wage regime that covers more than just, hopefully, a living wage, but things like, for ex-ample, the abuse that is taking place with respect to overtime pay in certain sectors of our economy. You will know, as the Minister and others will, that you had the Chief Justice Ian Kawaley over a year ago affirm the findings of a labour tribunal, em-ployment tribunal, in relation to the matter of Mr. Pernell Grant , who talked about the fact that Bermudians within the company that he worked for in the construcBermuda House of Assembly tion industry were being excluded and, at best, marginalised, not being able to achieve progress, prom otion within the company, and, in fact, found themselves unable to move in such a way concomitant with their skill levels. He also said with respect to this par-ticular company that they were somewhat averse to giving black Bermudian employees, especially —and he used the descriptive term “black ”—their just due, if you will, within t hat company. For many within the industry, we know that those revelations were not too revelatory at the time, because we know that these sorts of abuses, partic ularly within the construction industry —but not excl usive to that industry —have been going on for some time. Now, what was interesting about the finding was that the Chief Justice —and you got a sense that he would have if he could have— had to reject the claim that Mr. Pernell Grant was entitled to overtime pay, simply because the Employment Act 2000 provides a get-out-of-jail card, if you will, for, I would say, unscr upulous employers to get around the provision to pay overtime pay for workers who rightly deserve it. Certainly, if you get those companies and/or firms . . . because it is construction, this provides another incentive to hire a preponderance of foreign l abour, who have a majority of labourers . . . w hen I say “labourers, ” I mean workers who are foreign who will be less inclined, or averse, to challenging these types of practices. Then the minority of Bermudians who are hired . . . a nd remember, the finding was that that particular company, Apex Construction, owned by a well - known Bermudian, never really allowed these em-ployees, as I said, to get their just due. It had a pr eponderance of foreign workers in the company, and those workers would give assent, if you will, to a prac-tice that denied overtime pay in the company. So, the minority of Bermudians on the company’s roles had to go with what was the original con-sensus. And I may not be phrasing or framing it to the degree that it deserves, but I think everybody gets the idea what I am talking about. And so, these are the type of practices. So, for me, a living wage is not just a wage that sees a Bermudian mandated under law earning $13, $14, $15 or more per hour. But practices such as these enshrined in our legislation— which to be frank took form under the previous PLP Government ––need to be eliminated. And so, that is what I want to draw attention to as well. And there are other aspects of the conditions upon which, particularly in the non- unionised private sector, workers are being made to toil under. And cer-tain institutional and structural advantages that are accruing to employers to the disadvantage . . . and which , in turn, disadvantage Bermudian employees. For example, we know in the Budget Reply not too long ago (it seems like it has been three years ago, considering how long we have been here wres-tling with these issues), on page 15, if I may, Mr. Chairman, of the Vision 2025 document, The People’s Budget put forward by the Opposition Leader, it says, and I quote, “To create a fairer, more inclusive wor kforce, the PLP will do two things: “1. Remove the structural imbalances that make employing foreign labour more cost -effective than employing Bermudians, by requiring employers to provide occupational pensions for employees on work permits, who are currently exempt from the r equirement; “2. Complete a comprehensive examination of the social insurance programme, including the impact of changing employer and employee contributions from a fixed rate to a percentage of earnings, and the appropriate level for the cap on social insurance con-tributions. The objective of the review will be to i ncrease the take- home pay of low earners.” So, like I said, if you want to create, let us create a living wage regime, an umbrella under which you have a decent hourly rate of pay that will allow persons to live above the poverty level in Bermuda, because we know the consequences for that, and things lik e this, including, as I said, that a mendment to the Employment Act. So , I have given the Minister those questions. And I hope that we are able to get a response. How much time do we have left?
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongOkay. So , I am going to go to Head 29 now, because I think this is a very interes ting area. And I am not going to use up a lot more time, but certainly the Minister can then come back, and then we, both the Shadow and I, …
Okay. So , I am going to go to Head 29 now, because I think this is a very interes ting area. And I am not going to use up a lot more time, but certainly the Minister can then come back, and then we, both the Shadow and I, can re- engage again, I guess. Intellectual property, coming out of Head 29, which is dealing with the Department of the Registry General, which is a department of that Ministry. I just want to say that . . . (Give me a second, sir.)
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongWe on this side of the aisle think that, particularly as it relates to intellectual property (again Head 29) , the Minister mentioned about the fact that the Registry General has the ch ief pr edominant responsibility of managing intellectual property with respect to the government. The question I have …
We on this side of the aisle think that, particularly as it relates to intellectual property (again Head 29) , the Minister mentioned about the fact that the Registry General has the ch ief pr edominant responsibility of managing intellectual property with respect to the government. The question I have is , How are we going to move that responsibility in such a way that sees, through innovation, things 1464 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly like intellectual property being fashioned in such a way, in the way we manage it and the way we innovate around it, that can accrue to Bermuda’s benefit not only locally, but globally? Let me just say this here, if I can just find this reference, and I want to get to this.
[Pause]
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongLet me pose a couple of questions that I think will help us get past this impasse that I am imposing right now or that I am reflecting. The first question I would have is , What plans are in place to advance Bermuda’s interests in establishing the Island as …
Let me pose a couple of questions that I think will help us get past this impasse that I am imposing right now or that I am reflecting. The first question I would have is , What plans are in place to advance Bermuda’s interests in establishing the Island as a global centre for intellectual property? Okay? We want to look forward here. We think on this side that it has a lot of potentiality to lead to a little bit more diversification in our economy and certainly en-hance our presence globally and enhance us from a strategic, competitive perspective. That is the first question. Secondly, is there a plan to establish or i mplement what is known as . . . a nd I am sure that the head of the department would be aware of this, of what I am going to say. I will start again. Is there any plan to establish or implement a Mind Management and Control policy , as recently advocated by the Pr ogressive Labour Party , when the intellectual property regime begins to grow and mature, that would create both jobs and revenue for the government? We believe that this is another opportunity and potentiality from what is right now, we think, a nascent growth that is occurring with respect to the intellectual property regime in Bermuda. Thirdly, does the Minister know of any plan to create a digital intellectual property register, one that could be digitally signed and administered and dom iciled again in Bermuda? Again, we think the potential ities here are significant and would enhance Berm uda’s global position and footprint. So those are the questions with respect to the intellectual property. And again, let me just find . . . [Pause]
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongOn page 11 again of the same document, Mr. Chairman, we are talking about Vision 202 5: The People’s Budget , and I am going to sound a little redundant here because I have just mentioned one or two of these innovative ideas we think can accrue to Bermuda if …
On page 11 again of the same document, Mr. Chairman, we are talking about Vision 202 5: The People’s Budget , and I am going to sound a little redundant here because I have just mentioned one or two of these innovative ideas we think can accrue to Bermuda if adopted, if explored, and not just “ if,” for example, the PLP becomes Government, but we think these are things that need to happen right now even with the present Government in charge. So, for example, on page 11, and I quote, “In 2010,” of the PLP’s response to the Budget [Stat ement], “Bermuda First [the organisation] recommend-ed that Bermuda become a global centre for intellec-tual property. The PLP will set Bermuda on a path to becoming a domicile for managing international tre aties in intellectual property and set the standards in law for the proper financial management of intellectual properties.” So, is that happening? The PLP, secon dly, “would actively seek out stakeholder input to build a regulatory environment that sets the standards that these critical communities need.” So, it is that consu ltation period. Is that happening? Thirdly, “the PLP’s regulatory implementation and management of these programmes would take place in Bermuda with a well - defined” —getting back to the “Mind Management and Control policy where the intellectual property would create both jobs and revenue for the Bermuda Go vernment,” as stated. And I think this one is very important. “Furthermore,” as mentioned, “the PLP would create a Digital Intellectual Property Register. This would r equire a copy of the register to be digitally signed and the creation, or administration of the creation, to be physically domiciled in Bermuda in order for it to be considered Bermudian. The Bermuda Government would actively look to create and sign member states to this Digital Intellectual Property Register.” And so, we want to look forward here. One of the key milestones which we were focusing on, again, is that 2025 period, which is not too far away. We hear “ 2025, ” and we are thinking like maybe it is another 30– 40 years from now. It is 2017. So, you know, we often hear about the lack of vision on the part of this Gover nment. They always use the excuse that, Well, you know, we are operating under massive austerity, as if it is not the time to be forward -looking for Bermuda. I think the time to be forward- looking for Be rmuda is when you are dealing with crises such as both parties in Government, pre- 2012 and now , are faced with. What are we going to posit as being our future? Now is the time to conceptualise it and begin to implement it. Certainly, we have tried to do that with the response to the Budget, The People’s Budget in 2017 . . . I am going to be fair and objective here. I do not think that we have seen the concomitant effort on the part of the current Government. Again, not looking at what you have before you right now, but what type of Bermuda are we going to see in five to seven years? And so I would appreciate —I will take a seat now. And I would appreciate if the Minister and/or, by way of her technical officers, can respond to some of that to see if we are on the same page in terms of how we can gro w and innovate the current intellectual property regime within the Registry General’s Office. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Does any other Member wish to speak at this point? Minister, it looks like there are no other Members at this stage. Would you like to give a response? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I would like to provide some responses to the questions …
Thank you. Does any other Member wish to speak at this point? Minister, it looks like there are no other Members at this stage. Would you like to give a response?
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I would like to provide some responses to the questions that we have had thus far. And I would like to go back to the Shadow Minister, initially, who had concerns with r espect to . . . l et me go back to the . . . j ust give me one second. I want to make sure that I have his questions in some sort of reasonable chronological sequence. Okay. I am just going to go by where I have highlighted. He spoke to the issues with respect to the possibility of further revenues being gained by the wider use of the Registry General for conducting mar-riage ceremonies in a different kind of environment. And I just wanted to point out that this has certainly not been budgeted in our upcoming Budget in terms of possibilities for additional revenues. But I would also say that you will realise that the legislation that had been proposed and tabled for consultation effec-tively was met with a very stony silence. And as a r esult of that, at the moment we can only wait to see what happens with the court cases that are in train , because, invariably, judicial decisions help to drive some of the things that we may be reluctant to do here as a body in Parliament, and we might find that we are forced to do certain things. And if that is the case, then we will have to deal with that as and when we arrive at that situation, bearing in mind, as I said, that that particular issue got no support certainly from anybody on the Opposition benches, and a significant number of those on the Government benches.
The ChairmanChairmanShadow Minister, we will take your point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Walton BrownWell, the Minister is misleading the House, because I have been very clear and con-sistent in my support for both civil unions and samesex marriage. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Well, if I can just remind the Honourable Member —
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, you can continue. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. If I can just remind the H onourable Member that he indicated that he would not support the Civil Union Bill because he believed in full same- sex ma rriage. So that was the position that was put at that …
Minister, you can continue.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. If I can just remind the H onourable Member that he indicated that he would not support the Civil Union Bill because he believed in full same- sex ma rriage. So that was the position that was put at that particular point in time. But I do not think that that —
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That was the comment that the Honourable Member made. But that was certainly not at this point in time. It was certainly mentioned in the [Reply to the] Throne Speech of the Progressive Labour Party. And I do remember br inging up the issue that I would like to ensure that the comments that were made are actually backed up by physical action, because we had not seen that last year when that particular issue had been brought to the fore. And I said we had reluctance on this side; we had reluctance on that side. We had a Bill that could not see the light of day.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am just telling you where the votes came from. Irrespective of whether they were a party or not, they came from that side of the aisle. That was the Progressive Labour Party. So, I just wanted to point that out. When we spoke to the issue of price gouging, the Honourable Member spoke to the concerns, and in particular the banks and the levying of fees, whi ch may seem to be predatory in some circumstances. And I agree with the Honourable Member. It is important to note that the Consumer Affairs Bureau is actually looking at legislative changes so that we can start to bring some semblance of fairness into the banking practices when it comes to the exorbitant bank charges that our people are facing. Clearly, F inancial Services is a very easy area for exploitation because, as a people, we are subjected to what they say they want to do. And I think historically, big organ-isations kind of do what they want to do. And as little guys, we almost have to go along because we do not have the financial clout. We do have, fortunately, institutions such as the Consumer Affairs Bureau, who can give protec-tions by making recommendations for legislation, and they are actually in the process of doing that. The Honourable Member spoke to that same concern with respect to insurance companies and their premiums. I do not believe that this is being looked at at the m oment by Consumer Affairs, but certainly I have taken note of the concerns that have been expressed in that regard. And these are things that we can obviously look forward to. The Honourable Member also asked a question with respect to the Immigration Department and spoke to the requirement of the Immigration Reform Action Group to look at mixed- status families. But there had been no definition relating to what a mixed-status family either looked like or could be defined as. And I think that when the matter was put to that particular committee, I think the idea was that we were leaving them with, effectively, a blank sheet of paper, as opposed to hamstringing them with saying that, You look at this particular area, we have left an open sheet. And I did say in my brief that I am really appr e1466 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly ciative of the work that they have done on that committee, because I realise that there could be many interpretations of what is appropriate with respect to mixed -status families. We can look at whether there is a cut -off date, whether y ou say, Prior to this date, you do not qualify. Or, After such -and-such a date, these are the things that are in place. These are the kinds of things that the committee. . . and in their deliberations I know they will come up with what is deemed to be an appropriate recommendation to come back and suggest legislative changes. I will get a report for the Honourable Member who just asked the question in terms of when the subcommittees on the Labour Advisory Council were convened, how many meetings they have had and the status report. I will certainly get information coming back from my Permanent Secretary, who will give me some information. I have been made . . . sorry, this is a different one. If you will give me a second, I will have a chance to look at that so that I can make sure that I respond appropriately. We had questions concerning . . . oh, the Honourable Member from constituency 17 asked the question about whether there was, in fact, another service, an outsourcing service for HMPO. And I think what was mentioned in the brief, if I can just go back and refer very briefly to that. It was page 2 of my brief. And it spoke to . . .
[Pause] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: It spoke to WorldReach Corporation. And what that is, WorldReach Corporation is a system vendor. They do not do passports. They are the vendors of the system that HMPO is using in order to be able to produce the passports. We certainly are mindful of the concerns that have been expressed, and I think that the history lesson that the Honourable Member was able to share with this Honourable House was one that, some of the details I was obviously aware of, but there were some that I was not aware of, in terms of the minute- byminute attempt to be able to push some doors open in order to make sure that Bermudians were not disad-vantaged. Let me say that, with the system, the one HMPO has taken over, there is effectively, through their system vendor and through the software that is used to do the printing, my understanding is that there is ef fectively a licence that is utilised. And hence, through the utilisation of that licence, the GBD n omenclature, or initials, are put on the passport, indicat-ing that that is the printing country code. Obviously, with BMU being listed as the country code, in addition with that information being included on the biometric chip, Bermudians have been disadvantaged. There is no question. We are working on that situation assid uously. What we may be able to do, and I have not got-ten the finality of it, but we have certainly looked at the preliminary investigative steps, and that is to be able to purchase our own licence so that they would be required to use our licence, which in fact would say that we are the issuing country. That is the ultimate aim. I can understand that there is no great big coop-eration coming, because Bermudians, let us face it, in terms of certain accesses to certain other jurisdictions, we have a beneficial advantage over that which o btains in the United Kingdom, as well as some of the other overseas territories. I take the Honourable Member’s point with r espect to whether it is appropriate for us to be able to have strength in numbers with the overseas territories in order to be able to exert some influence on the HMPO, and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and the like. Let me say that the reality is that Berm uda is even better advantaged than some of the other overseas territories. And I am not certain that we will get the degree of hand- holding (if I can put it that way) to be able to get significant benefit for Bermuda. B ecause if they do not want us to have better a dvantages than they have, they are not necessarily g oing to hold hands for us to go, cap in hand, to the UK to say what it is that we want.
ANNOUNCEMENT BY CHAIRMAN
HOUSE VISITOR
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, as you take a look at your note there, just yield for one moment. I just want to acknowledge the fact that we have one of the Youth Parliament pages just joining us. I believe it is Candace Paynter , and she is a third - year stu dent …
The ChairmanChairmanWe would like to welcome you here for the afternoon session. Minister, you can continue. [Debate on Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs, continuing] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I just wanted to point out that, you know, we realise that this is a challenge that we are …
We would like to welcome you here for the afternoon session. Minister, you can continue. [Debate on Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs, continuing]
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. I just wanted to point out that, you know, we realise that this is a challenge that we are going to have to address head- on. We have made the initial steps by going to Government House to make sure that Government House is aware of where the chal-lenges are. We have had the correspondence with Baroness Anelay, but it was not intended to rest there. The intent of our administration, of our Government, is to make sure that we continue to push until we have a satisfactory resolution. It has been particularly vex atious over the course of the last couple of weeks and maybe month or two, in particular where we have had our residents stranded in different locations. One sit uBermuda House of Assembly ation was, effectively, self -inflicted. However, anybody being caught out at a border is one person too many. It is not fair to us as Bermudians. And I do not want to see any of us being less advantaged than we were before HMPO took over the passport printing. So you can be assured that we are working assiduously to find an appropriate resolution to that challenge. Let me go back to the question that was asked by the Honourable Member with respect to the subcommittees. And I have been advised that the subcommittees convene in the second half of the year. They meet every two weeks, on Wednesdays. And a draft report is being reviewed, and they are working towards having the report by the 31 st of March. So, we will have some indication as to where they have stood and what they have done and what recommendations might be coming out. With respect to the Shadow Minister . . . and I apologise for jumping backwards and forwards. It is just how these responses are coming out. The insurance rates to which the Honourable Member from constituency 17 spoke, that they are actually at the moment as we speak under the purview of the Health Council so that we can start to look at the health i nsurance rates and the impact thereof on our popul ation. I think I spoke to the issue of passports. Also, the Honourable Member from constit uency 17 had a concern with respect to the passport stock. And yes, ultimately, if we continued to have serious emergency -type situations, then we will eventually deplete our stock. However, one of the things that we can say, though, is that an emergency pas sport can actually be processed within 24 hours or less. So that is a service that has been provided. We effec-tively are able to take over the printing from HMPO, make sure that our input is vetted, the passport is printed. And then they resume control of the actual printing functions. So, it is not ideal; I certainly do not want to suggest for a second that there is an easy resolution to this. But certainly, we are trying to work on something that is far more appropriate and acceptable than that to which we are now being subjec ted. There was a question with respect to why we are allowing for voluntary copyright registration. And I think the response to that is that there are more and more jurisdictions that are considering offering voluntary registration of copyright work. Like other intelle ctual property rights, the issuing of the certification of registration helps to establish who the original creator or author of these rights would be. Also, there was a comment that the department needs to educate the general public a little bit more on the formalities of copyright protection, and to say that members of the public are educated on the various formalities and processes for protection of IP rights via World IP Day, which is held on April 26 th. Now, that is only once a nnually. And I think the Honourable Member would probably offer that this is not quite sufficient, and I can accept that. But in the past, we have had IP seminars which have been conducted by the department to dis-cuss copyright works and protection, and perhaps we can look to stepping up that particular aspect to en-sure that there is a broader education process that is going on in that regard. The plans with respect to establishing Berm uda as a Mind Management and Control Centre for an IP regime, I think the Honourable Member f rom co nstituency 21 would perhaps have listened with respect to the brief, that we want to look at how we can digit-ise the department in order to create more efficiencies. I think that it was mentioned also by the Honourable Member from constituency 17 how inefficient it is with respect to just the voluminous paperwork and the forests that we destroy on a daily basis in just trying to maintain the necessary files, and the support for, that comes out of the Immigration Department. And the files are voluminous; there is no question. You know, when you have somebody making an application and then there is the necessity to say, We want to make sure that we can see . . . as the board is able to opine and to look at the information in front of them , they want to be able to see, Is there a Bermudian? And if there are 20 Bermudians, however skilled or even u nskilled they may be or appropriate for the job for which they are applying, that information all has to be r epeated and copied and put on the files. So, some of the files are quite voluminous. And obviously, it is going to be far better and far more efficient for the department to be able to have access to that type of information electronically so that you can do searches, and at the push of a but-ton you can be able to get effective information com-ing out of the system and ensure that there are eff iciencies that are being had. Similarly, as we speak to what we will plan to do with respect to intellectual property, the Honour able Member spoke to many of the things that have been highlighted in the plan that they put forward by his department. But you will also note that we are looking at a review of some of the processes for digi-talisation of documents. And that is something that will be looked at in more detail in the 2017/18 period with a plan to budget it in the 2018/19 fiscal period. We recognise, and I certainly accept, that the time to look forward is perhaps when you can least afford to do so, because you have to look at how you can maximise the funds that you do have available and to be able to expend them more efficiently, going forward. So certainly, I not only concur with that; it is certainly the attitude that I have adopted within the department. And looking at, how can we minimise backlogs? How can we efficiently use our people, to make sure that we keep on top of those things that come into the department in all of the sections? And also, we would be looking to amend the Patents and Designs Act with respect to industrial de1468 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly signs. So there are many things. There are many irons in the fire where the heads of the departments are being rather proactive in making recommenda-tions for the things that they see to be appropriate, in an attempt to not just update how we do things, but to make sure that the efficiencies are there. I do not know if there were any other questions that I have not responded to. Oh, there was a question with respect to the cost of living and a living wage, and the like. As I indi-cated, the department or the committee, the subcom-mittee responsible for that will be coming back to us by the 31 st of March with a report and with various recommendations. And Honourable Members can be assured that, as that information is shared with us, we will be able to glean through it, we will be able to understand what is involved with it and make the deter-mination as to what recommendations will come out of it and how those recommendations can be implemented. We certainly take note of the comments with respect to overtime pay abuses and the like, which the Honourable Member spoke to, [the matter of] Mr. Grant, which was a 2011 complaint for the Human Rights, which was opined on initially in 2012. And then there was an appeal, which was heard in 2016. Clearly, we want to ensure that there is fai rness and equity in the workplace. And situations such as what obtained in that particular instance are entir ely untenable and unacceptable, and certainly unacceptable to us as a Government, and we certainly want to ensure that these things are looked at and that we are able to improve upon that situation. It is also important to note that some of the requirements that come in as an employment situa-tion, we have had people who have been brought to the Island, who have been very poorly treated, very shabbily treated. And I think, just from a humane perspective, nobody wants to think that you have brought somebody from their country to come here—irrespective of how we might feel about having guest workers here, the fact is that most of them who come [here come] legitimately through the front door on work permits and the like—there is no way you should treat people on an inhumane basis. We did also have the question with respect to how we could treat the four visitors whom we had come to our shores in 2009, I think was the date, and if we were able to have made the recommendations for the deportees going down to the Caribbean on a private jet, whether we could not do something for those particular individuals. I think it is important to point out that those particular individuals to whom the Honourable Member spoke, or let’s say, the deportees about whom I spoke in the brief were ones who had passports to go to the countries that they were as-signed to. The individuals about which the Honourable Member spoke do not have passports. So that has complicated the matter. We can perhaps look for some way, because we have to make the assumption that, you know, there is a country that will take them. That is going to take further investigation. And the Honourable Member has indicated that nobody has tried. And that I understand, and I agree with that 100 per cent. The thing is that the one country to which people can go without fear of being ostracised and rejected is the country from which one has his origin. I think in this particular instance, that would not obtain, because they left because there were certain serious challenges and personal dangers that they would face. So, while it might be considered to be the ideal —you know, You came from there; you can go back to there—we recognise that that is not the way you treat human beings and that there may be countries who are willing to accept these particular individuals on a different basis. That has not been ex-plored. I think that the idea was that we were actually waiting for the results of the UK deliberation.
The ChairmanChairmanYes. We will take your point of clarif ication; go ahead. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Walton BrownI think it is a point of clarification. Will the Minister, or is the Minister prepared to commit to underwriting the expenses for them to go to a third country if a third country can be identified that will take them?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Minister, would you like to respond? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I would be happy to respond. I cannot make that commitment at this particular point in time. Certainly, if such a situation, such a scenario presents itself, it is something that would, obviously, have to be discussed …
Thank you. Minister, would you like to respond? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I would be happy to respond. I cannot make that commitment at this particular point in time. Certainly, if such a situation, such a scenario presents itself, it is something that would, obviously, have to be discussed with the F inance Mini stry. You can be mindful of the fact that we are particularly constrained with some of the regul ations and rules and processes that are employed by the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada when it comes to transient people going through their borders. So, if we are going to be able to rent —you know, identify a country, hire a private plane and be able to put individuals on that private plane to take them from point A to point B without having to transit through some place that has already set up a barrier to say that it cannot be done, that is something that would have to be not just costed, but it would certainly have to be something that would be . . . you know, there is a lot of diplomacy that would have to be i nvolved in ensuring that something like that could be done.
Bermuda House of Assembly I do not have any crystal ball in that regard. I am certainly mindful, though, of the human requir ement for human dignity. And clearly, this has not been what has happened. And I do not believe that that had been foreseen at the point that these gentlemen were brought to the Island in the first place. So, I think that it is certainly something that can be looked into. I have certainly made a note of it for further discussion. And I am sure that there are possibilities. There are other countries that have, in fact, taken people who were historically at GTMO [ Guant anamo Bay Naval St ation], and they have subsumed them into their various cultures. Whether they would be prepared to [take] more I do not know. These are discussions that would, obviously, have to be had. And I do not, at this point, have that kind of authority to spend the Finance Ministry’s money. But certainly, it is something that we can have the conversations concerning.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you for your comments, Minister. Would any other Member like to participate? We have just over an hour, and we end this debate at 4:12. I recognise the Deputy Leader of the Opposition. Mr. Walter Roban, you have the floor.
Mr. Walter H. RobanThank you, Mr. Chairman. Prior to my going to discuss some points in relation to the budget, which begins on page B -310 for Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs, I would just like to perhaps make a suggestion to the Minister that, in light of the Minister’s response in …
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Prior to my going to discuss some points in relation to the budget, which begins on page B -310 for Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs, I would just like to perhaps make a suggestion to the Minister that, in light of the Minister’s response in relation to the U ighur residents of Bermuda, that perhaps the Minister . . . because I did know that in a previous administr ation there were efforts made to have some discus-sions with certain persons about an option of those persons’ perhaps going to another country, another jurisdic tion. And as the Minister has admitted, at this point nothing has been done since. I think it is very clear at this point that this is an issue that the Bermuda Government is going to have to figure out a solution for. Irrespective of some of the, if I can call it, “histrionics” of the UK Gover nment in the beginning, they now have told us squarely this is a matter for us to sort out. And I am going to say us; I mean the Bermuda Government. So perhaps to begin the process —and there is no one who is suggesti ng that the Government can actually solve this quickly. It has been a number of years since this happened. So, time is not something that . . . I [do not] think anyone is insisting that the Government has to rush into finding a solution, Mr. Chairman. But what I might suggest is that the whole political situation with many countries has changed since this happened. And there are other countries that are more amenable to accepting (good word, “amenable”) persons who are in that situation. And maybe where the Minister and the Government can start is identifying those countries where there are established Uighur communities. They can start there because there are a number of countries where the Uighurs are quite well established as an immigrant community. So that might be where it can be started, with those countries. I am not going to suggest which countries at this point. But I think that that is research that the Government can do.
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walter H. RobanWell, outside of the United States, which I think we are quite clear at this point does not have a very flexible position when it comes to immigrants . . . but there are other countries that are more flexible that have established Uighur communities. That would be one place …
Well, outside of the United States, which I think we are quite clear at this point does not have a very flexible position when it comes to immigrants . . . but there are other countries that are more flexible that have established Uighur communities. That would be one place for the Government to start and begin a process of discussion with those jurisdictions that might lead to a solution. I am not suggesting, as I said, that it is going to be quick. But you start the process, and then you know what steps perhaps you can begin to take. And maybe we will get somewhere when it comes to that particular issue. But as I now go back, Mr. Chairman, to the Budget Book, page B- 310 . . . I am sorry, no. I will go back even further, page B -308, and looking at the Ministry of Home Affairs, and a few questions and comments that I have in relation to Consumer Affairs under business unit, on page B -310, and which, as I believe if I heard the Minister’s brief correctly, has a bsorbed what used to be the Rent Control Department now, and they are all under one umbrella, under bus iness unit 103010. And it is now that they are just one autonomous unit. And I do not know if I heard an ything in the Minister’s brief about any further ad-vancements in our consumer protection legislation, if that is on the table for the upcoming year. Because I think that is perhaps where an activity that some work needs to be done, as we have seen recently, at least more than usual, that I can actually recall a number of consumer recalls. I think we have heard more than, particula rly when it comes to food and some other products, we have heard more of that of late. And I think it is important that we do not just rely on our neighbours to be the sort of shield for us when it comes to consumer protection. We need to have our own regime that provides that on- Island pr otection for consumers, those people who purchase products on- Island, Mr. Chairman, so that when a person goes to any retailer in the country, there is an understanding that there are some minimal protec-tions provided und er our law and we are not just rel ying on what might possibly be an arrangement with a retailer to provide certain protections or support for the products that are purchased. And we, of course, must understand that, you know, 100 per cent of what a Bermudian consumes or the Bermudian resident consumes is purchased and manufactured elsewhere. So, there is minimal control other than the support that is given on- Island, Mr. 1470 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Chairman, for consumers. But I think that it is i mportant that we look at our consumer protection legi slation to advance any further support for consumers here. And we should look to jurisdictions that have a much more advanced framework than we do so that we can have some minimum here as to what should be the extent of certain warranties for certain pro ducts, how they should be handled in relation to if a consumer has a challenge with that product and how the actual retailers should actually conduct them-selves. I think we have to have some, maybe there needs to be some regulatory minimum, not just what a retailer decides is going to be how much support they provide for a product that they sell. And, of course, there is also the issue of things like food, perishable items, that often we find that something has happened in North America to r ecall an item. I do believe that that department does keep a pretty good monitor of that situation. But we must ensure that our own jurisdiction has the appr opriate protection legally so that if we find ourselves with products that have been recalled in other jurisdi ctions, that we have the ability, from this standpoint, even if it means that we have to support extending any legal obligation that a consumer . . . what if a consumer in Bermuda is injured by a product that has been recalled that was manufactured in China, but it was bought through a supplier in North America, and there is an injury related to that product here in Ber-muda? How does a local consumer ensure that their legal rights are adequately supported? I think we need to make sure that our la ws have some minimal level of provision that can afford a local consumer that sort of thing. Because, you know, years ago most of the stuff we bought was just from England and North America. That is who manufactured everything that we consume. We know now that, Mr. Chairman, it is not the case. Most products are manufactured way, way, way somewhere else. And we need to ensure that local consumers have the support that they require. And, frankly, I think this pr ovides some level of protection for our retailers, as well. So those are things I think we should look at from the standpoint of that particular department. And I hope that the Minister perhaps can give some feedback on that, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask a few questions as they relate to Head 27, Immigration, which starts on page B-314. I note that this particular department, Mr. Chairman, as it relates to expenditure, is $4.7 million this year, up $121,000, 3 per cent, on this year over previous original estimation. And I think I am most interest ed, and I did hear the Minister’s answers as it relates to modernisation, somewhere in the area of digitising of perhaps the records. And I declare my interest as somebody who once worked in that de-partment, Mr. Chairman, many years ago (in a time when I was less grey, perhaps I should say). But I do remember it having an extensive file system, and, ob-viously, mostly all paper files and so on. And I am assuming that the space for those files is under consi derable pressure, because I do not believe that the Immigration Department, the space that it occupies, has gotten any bigger. So, digitising of their records system, partic ularly of older existing files, may be something that the Ministry can look at if it has not already done so. But I know that that Ministry has gone through extensive efforts at modernisation of many of its resources and how it operates. So, I do not presume to believe that these things have not been thought of. But I venture to know more about, if the Minister has not already said all th at she can say on it, on hearing, what do they think might be the way forward? And I think that would be certainly helpful to the management of space for their own efficiencies, because let us face it: There is a lot of attention and a lot of activity related to imm igration that goes on that impacts that department. It impacts everybody, not just about work permits. They have a lot of activities that relate to what I am thinking of, needs of the local resident Bermudian population with passports, with other things, including spousal certificates and all types of other things that pertain to good family life in the Island. And I think if they can be more efficient with what they are doing, with the personnel that they have, that helps everyone. And I must give that de-partment credit. I think that they do pretty good on how they try and process customers. When people go up there, the space and the comfort of the space in their reception room has improved greatly over the years, so people do have a better experi ence up there, overall. And I think sometimes, and I think as a community we must admit sometimes that we are our own worst enemy when it comes to customer service in that we do not necessarily read everything that we should. We do not actually pay attention as much as we should. So, we go to a government department sometimes, and we are more demanding on the r eception person than we should be. And they are just trying to do their jobs. And I believe, in my own interactions with the persons who have been at the desk, and I was one of those people at one point. Because as a young st udent, I was a front desk receptionist at one point up there. So, I understand what is required. And so often, you are dealing with people who are emotional and nervous and impatient because of what they have to go through with the processes. And from what I have seen, most if not all the times I have been up there, their reception does a good job. And credit to the staff that is under Dr. Ming and herself with managing that situati on, because it is not always smooth. Particularly as we come now into the summer period, I can imagine, Mr. Chairman, there must be a lot of rush for peo-ple to get passports. And many people do not reme mber the changes that were made with the requirement for there to be four weeks. And their trip is in three
Bermuda House of Assembly weeks, and that cruise has been paid for. They are wanting Immigration to get that passport, and guess what? It ain’t happening (to be blunt). And the Immigration officer, reception person, has to manage that situation, and it is not always easy. So, I think that has got to be understood. We as a community must be better, as well, in the same way we are requiring Government to operate better with how we deal with things because there are often things that the Government cannot change. And as we know with the recent changes for the passport minimum of four weeks, that is something that was forced on us. And that department has had to adapt to that until . . . and as we have heard in the past couple of weeks, Mr. Chairman, more challenges have been actually brought upon them with the issue of some of our citizens and residents finding themselves stranded because of nothing that is the fault of the Bermuda Government or the Department of Immigration, but actually the fault of the UK Government and how they are handling things. And as the Minister has articulated, this is not a situation that we created. Many years ago, the Brit-ish made this directive of what they were going to do, and I believe that the Bermuda Government, not only this administration but even the previous one, has fought aggressively in the best way possible to try and avert the process that has been forced on us with hav-ing to rely on passports being issued in the UK for everybody. And they have had to adjust. And I know from a couple of applications that I have had to fill out and complete, the worst part of it is the actual application form, which is not produced by our Immigration D epartment, but it is a creature of the UK. Sometimes you do not always get it right. But once it is received and submitted to the people at the front desk, and they make sure you know what you must do—and I am trying to give some credit here to the staff and what I see they have to go through with making sure that applicants submit the form correctly. And som etimes you might have to go back two or three times because you just have not done something right, probably because we have not read the form properly (although I think those forms have their own unique sort of stuff on them). But once you get it in and once it is processed properly, in more than one instance I have gotten my passport back in four weeks. So, credit to the staff at the Immigration Department, which has had to adjust to this actual new situation. I think they are doing the best that they can. And I hope that things can be smoothed out as we go forward, as the Minister has articulated. One of the other issues I would like to address, as I see on page [B -316], is with Compliance. And I see that the staff complement on page B- 316 is 17, and it has been the same. Pretty much, that staff complement for the whole department has not changed. I raise this question about this because I am a little curious as to, in light of —
[Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Walter H. RobanYes, Immigration. I am on page B-316, which is under Immigration, Head 27, Mr. Chairman, to the Minister. I see that the staff complement has not changed. Now, in light of the fact that I see also, and I note on page B -319, under Compliance, the number of investigations …
Yes, Immigration. I am on page B-316, which is under Immigration, Head 27, Mr. Chairman, to the Minister. I see that the staff complement has not changed. Now, in light of the fact that I see also, and I note on page B -319, under Compliance, the number of investigations seems to have steadily gone up over the last year or so, 1,314 to 1,445. Now, I do not know if the Minister gave an explanation as to why they think that has happened, but it is a clear indication that there is more work being done. And if I am de-scribing the role of Compliance appropriately, as to the investigations that this department has to go through to any possible infractions of immigration vi olations, it seems to be going up. And perhaps this is a creature of this en vironment where a country is under economic challenge and we know the constant concern about foreign em-ployees being brought in. And an employment situation in a country generally could be rather stressed. Employers are trying to pay less out because they are earning less. Employees are trying to earn more be-cause everything seems to be going against them when it comes to their ability, their earning power in the country. And in the meantime, in Bermuda we still have to bring in workers. But then, we find that many employers have a tendency to be a little bit more pushing the envelope when it comes to the treatment of workers, generally. And I am going to bring up this point again only because I wish the Minister to clarify the facts around it, rather than in a way of accusing the Go vernment of anything, in this recent report about Digicel with the Guatemalans. Perhaps the Minister can clar ify publicly what that situation is. Was that story real or not with their not being paid and their downing tools and that situation of those foreign workers’ not being paid? And I made a statement, Mr. Chairman, during a motion to adjourn as to our position on this side about the treatment of workers and what I believe is the Government’s [responsibility,] frankly. I was not getting up to chastise the Government, but actually to make a clear statement as to what our tolerance should be for abuse of any workers in this country, whether those under permit or those who are Berm udian. Any abuse should be intolerable. And I would like to see severe penalties for any situation and even, if necessary, naming and shaming of employers who are found to be repeatedly abusing local workers or, most importantly —not most importantly, but as equa lly, foreign workers, who are brought in here, who are invited in here to do jobs. And because they are not at home in their resident country with the protections of 1472 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly law behind them, an employer may have a tendency to be abusive of them. Many of them feel they have nowhere to go so they subject themselves to continu-ous abuse. And as I look at the numbers here, Mr. Chairman, on page B -319, as to increased investigations, I suspect that the increase is as a result of I mmigration’s discovering more of this happening. And perhaps it is also a result of more people reporting what is happening, more than anything else. Because what you find in any environment like this is that there are always abuses going on. But is there a propensity for people to want to report and make sure that those who are doing that are dealt with or are properly i nvestigated? So I would think that . . . and I know that a couple of years ago, Mr. Chairman (going back to page B -316, on the complement of staff of 17 in Compliance), that there was some allowance made to i ncrease that. But this has been a time . . . I think we have found that there is more attention to immigration. There is more attention to violations mainly because many people are wary of more people being brought in to work in the country from outside, when you have thousands of Bermudians not working. And the commitment to create jobs has not been fulfilled, whether from employers or from whatever commitments the Government has put out there. But we have not seen a robust, growing employment environment (maybe the better term, rather than casting any blame to an ybody). So, people get more nervous and anxious and more concerned about the employment situation. But also, you find more abuse going on, because people want to preserve their earning power. And those who are her e trying to survive on the earning power will not be as willing to— or will be willing to take more in order to preserve what they have come in here for. And they do not feel the level of protection. I think it is important that there be as many people as possible available providing an appropriate net of investigation and enforcement around Immigr ation law in Bermuda so that the abuses that may — may or may not be a part of the situation with Digicel. But we clearly, as the Honourable Member who sits in constituency 21 articulated about the Grant situation and the court case, that employers like that are few and far between or that at least when it happens, it is aggressively investigated. But I suspect that the 17 officers who are doing that work are full -out very busy these days. And maybe there is a need for more, although, as I said before, I believe it was a couple of years ago there was some provision made to increase from one number to another. But in light of the i ncrease in the number of investigations, as is outlined on page B -319, I think that there should be a consi deration of adding more investigators to the actual list so that this work can be done in the best possible way to minimise the abuses in our work environment. And there is another part to this, Mr. Chai rman, in that if Bermuda is not seen as being a safe and healthy place for people to come to work, any efforts that are made for investment in the country, outward or inward investment to come in, Mr. Chai rman, any effort to promote Bermuda as a safe, happy, peaceful place for people to come and work on a permit for whatever specialised job they need to do will not go over well. Because if there is a constant belief by others that, Oh, well, if you go to Bermuda, you know, you are not going to be treated well. E mployers tend to abuse, and there is nothing done about it, that is not a good environment to attract add itional investment and some of the additional expertise that we might need to be here and facilitate and be a part of future economic growth that is required. Particularly if efforts —people on this side, and we on this side have talked about it —are towards d iversifying, bringing new industries here will be cha llenging if we do not have the reputation of strong enforcement around labour law and around immigration law. I think that is important. So I do hope that every effort is made by the department. If they need to add more personnel to the 17, they should do that. If this trend of additional investigations continues, they may need to consider it. So, I do hope that this is done. And I do hope that something is done about that. Another question around immigration I would like to ask, I guess in relation to the process that has been of these applications for status that have been going on for a couple of years now. And as I recall, a local accounting firm was providing some support to the Immigration Department. I do not know if the ques tion was asked for the Minister to report: What is the status of this application? I do not know if t hat question was raised on the floor, but perhaps the Mi nister can give us an update on how many applications are currently filed with the department, as well as how many have been processed. And how many approvals have been given for those status applicat ions under the 20B category in particular or anyone who has qualified for like Bermuda status within the recent changes of provisions over the last couple of years? It will be good to know an update from the Minister on that. But my specific question is to, there was an accounting firm retained that was giving support to the processing of those applications, if they are still i nvolved. And if not, then fine. Because it would be good to know as to whether that service is continuing, and was it ever at a cost to the department.
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Mr. Walter H. RobanI am hearing from a colleague of mine that it was free. But I am certain that the Minister will give perhaps an update when she answers some questions on that. My other few questions that I have, Mr. Chairman . . . Bermuda House of Assembly How much more …
I am hearing from a colleague of mine that it was free. But I am certain that the Minister will give perhaps an update when she answers some questions on that. My other few questions that I have, Mr. Chairman . . .
Bermuda House of Assembly How much more time is left in this debate, Mr. Chairman?
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Mr. Walter H. RobanOh, okay. All right. I cannot promise that I will speak any longer up to that time, but I will try and put a few more minutes in. Perhaps someone else will stand to [fill] the gap. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Walter H. RobanOh, great. So, I can perhaps, after I submit my few questions, sit down and som eone else will happily add to the discussion on this particular Ministry . Page B -320, [cost centre 39010, Intellectual Property Registry], which I believe is under the Regis-try General, I note that on …
Oh, great. So, I can perhaps, after I submit my few questions, sit down and som eone else will happily add to the discussion on this particular Ministry . Page B -320, [cost centre 39010, Intellectual Property Registry], which I believe is under the Regis-try General, I note that on page B -320 the expenditure on that particular department has gone down by $5,000, or 1 per cent, not a large amount of monies. (That is cost centre 39010 on page B -320, Mr. Chai rman.) I note that there has been a reduction there, but I am curious as to whether that particular department has more that can be done as an earner for the Go vernment. And I do hope that the Government i s giving them the needed resources to allow them to not only be a revenue- earner in the best possible way, but also to keep up with the changes in intellectual property that seem to be regular. Because it is quite a dynamic and international aspect of industry. And I know from my own exposure to it, Mr. Chairman, that there are efforts by . . . a number of our local law firms have quite steady practices in this area. And applications are received from all over the world to enforce patents here. And you see them in the newspaper quite a bit, published and all that. And I am interested to know if that publishing component of the newspaper that has been digitised yet in reference to . . . are those advertisements now, has the way to gazette them gone from just a print, but is also online? Because this is a particular area of regulation. And I think, again, I often smile when people talk about, they want smaller, smaller, smaller government. But this is an example of how industry is allowed to thrive b ecause these areas of protection of people’s intellectual property, of creativity and originality, from a legal standpoint, can only be provided by the government, internationally. It is only because of the extensive, long history of providing this service, whether it be by our little Bermuda Government, the US, England, or the EU, that globally the expansion of business has been able to go because no one is going to market or take a product to another jurisdiction if they do not have the protection of their intellectual property. That in itself, if it cannot be provided, stifles work, innovation. We know how that goes on with drugs and pharmaceuticals. It is essential that protec-tions of that nature . . . and of course, music, I mean, you know, hey! That helps for those industries to grow and thrive globally because each government, go vernments around the world, provides this regulatory service. So, when people talk about smaller gover nment, I often smile and say, Well, okay. Well, let’s get rid of the Intellectual Property Department. That will save the Government some expense. And I am only saying this hypothetically because I do not actually believe that, of course. But I am just giving an exam-ple. When people talk about these things, smaller government, less government expenditure, Well, just get rid of th at department! That will save some money. Or this department! When some of these departments are actually essential to the country’s economic sec urity and safety and prosperity. When people talk about, you know, Let’s shrink the staff of government. Let’s get rid of some of these civil servants. Let’s do this, let’s do that. But some people say that, not appreciating the role that government plays, whether it be intellectual property, whether it be things like av iation, whether it be in shipping —all these areas that our Government makes a substantial amount of revenue from. And I am sure that the Intellectual Property Department is doing its bit in that. It is a revenue- earner type of agency. But I do hope that the Government is giving it the tools so that it can keep modern and keep up with whatever is happening globally so that not only do we provide those protections that are provided locally, but interna-tionally. If Bermuda has an efficient service, those p atents will be registered here, too, and that is an earner for the Government, from around the world, from companies around the world, from other registry agencies, which I am sure they have partnerships with. That activity will increase if our department has the resources to do the work that is done and in keeping up with its other comparative registries around the world. So, I do hope that the Minister takes my comments in the best spirit. I am not suggesting that they are depriving that department. I am just sugges ting, I am just hoping that there is a mind to give them what they need so that they can remain modern and up to date with their particular area of expertise. The last area I would like to bring some attention to is on page C -20. And I note under there, if the Minister has not already given an answer to it, page C-20, the Ministry of Home Affairs, programme [6918] for Parish Council Commitments. I note that this is at zero. I am wondering why that is. Under Grants and Contributions, has that grant been moved somewhere else, or have the monies, has the purpose of that grant ended? Or has that now been moved som ewhere else? And does this mean that there is no r esponsibility now for the parish councils under it, or was it ever there? And perhaps the Minister can an-swer that question as it relates to that grant, Parish Council Commitments. Because it was at $70,000 the last couple of years, and it is now at zero. 1474 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Those, Mr. Speaker, are all of my comments. And I look forward to hearing some of the answers from the Minister. Thank you very much.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you for your comments. Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister, you have the floor to respond to some of the questions that have been put to you. And then I believe another Member would like to speak after that. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: There is still …
Thank you for your comments. Does any other Member wish to speak? Minister, you have the floor to respond to some of the questions that have been put to you. And then I believe another Member would like to speak after that.
Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: There is still plenty of time, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to speak to the issue with r espect to passports and the Uighurs. And I have just had an update here indicating that the UK Gover nment is currently reviewing their applications for nat uralisation for three of the four applicants. And ultimat ely, if naturalisation is granted, then they will be able to have passports that would be able to be issued. So that is a very positive development. Also, with respect to the head count that the Honourable Member was concerned about with r espect to the Compliance Unit, while the Budget Book had indicated 17 for this year, 17 for revised last year, and budgeted for the previous year, and 12 the year before that, the actual physical head count has only remained around 12. So, for the first time in the last sort of five to seven years, we actually will have the 17 complement. So, they were budgeted for, but they were not actually filled. So now the positions will be filled. So, we definitely have the additional bodies there. Also, in respect to the number of reports, cases, there has been an increase of investigations due to civil penalties. The civil penalties have come into existence, and it is being robustly followed up. And MCS is now undertaking review of how cases are pr ocessed by the senior inspectors in the Compliance Department. We have had an increase of complaints. And we actually give credit to members of the public. We did hear the Honourable Member from constituency 17 earlier indicate that we ought not to be just wai ting until complaints come in, that there has to be a certain amount of proactivity. But there are also cer-tain legal restrictions that would determine whether. . . you cannot just go onto somebody’s property. There are certain legal restrictions. So we have to be mindful that we are not working ultra vires existing legislation. If that legislation needs to be looked at, then it is something that, obviously, we are willing to do. The grants, according to your last question, which I was aware of the answer, those have actually been moved to Tourism, Transport and Municipalities. It is no longer under the Home Affairs Ministry. Also, IP [Intellectual Property] is already electronic. It is just a matter of going one step further to put it on the RG [Registry General] website. So, it must still initially be gazetted, because the legislation requires gazetting. But obviously, as the enhancements for digitisation advance, then clearly you will see additional efficie ncies being had. Also, on the issue with respect to digitisation again, we are intending to bring on board for a very short term an expert to recommend a strategy for the entire Ministry to look at the existing systems, new systems, and the whole issue of back -file conversion. It is important to understand that while we look at the volume of paper that exists in the department in order to be able to file stuff, there is actually offsite filing as well, where things are held in archive. And it is just an inefficient use of not just space, but also money. Because those files that are in offsite places could act ually be digitised. They could actually be put on a website, accessed. And I can also say that I actually man-aged the transition of significant files in my other em-ployment, from hard copy files to one [system] that is electronic. And it is very efficient in terms of the manner in which it is used. When it comes to the question of looking at consumer protections, there is . . . when it comes to food, medicine and water, I think the Honourable Member had expressed concerns about stuff that is coming in from abroad and whether the public is being protected. When it comes to food, medicine, and w ater, that falls under the Health Department. But other products under the Consumer Protection Agency, bu lletins are received on a daily basis and visits to bus inesses follow that, products are recalled and/or r efunded whenever they are able to be located. This comes under Consumer Affairs . I think that the interesting thing with that is that, for the majority of things that come into Bermuda, there is some kind of intermediary, albeit we do have individuals who will purchase something from som ewhere distant and do it directly. And they may be under the regime of caveat emptor , because there are certain things that, obviously, the department can pr otect; and there are certain things that the department cannot protect. So ,you want to go buy something from China directly, and there is no local agency who has any kind of touching- of-the-goods from that point to this point, you may just be on your own in that r espect. You know, buyer beware. So that is a possibi lity. But certainly, to the extent possible, the depar tment does look out for the protection of consumers. And I think those are the questions. Grants, advertisements . . . You mentioned something about something being free, but I did not hear what the— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Oh, sorry. On those appli cations, yes. What was done by KPMG was done free of charge. Subsequent to that, when I went into the Mi nistry, there were significant backlogs in various cat eBermuda House of Assembly gories of personal services, things like spousal applications, things like general status inquiries, things like passport applications, many things in that particular personal services area where I had asked to receive an inventory of what was outstanding. And when I looked at what was outstanding, it was difficult if not impossible for the employees there to even know that they had done a good job, because they did not even know what was there. Things, files were being piled on top of other files. So, we have now managed to get it down to a semblance of order. We actually brought in, which I mentioned in my brief —we brought in some staff who had been working in the Ministry before, Dr. Brewer. We had senior civil servants who had retired; we brought them back to process stuff just to get rid of some of the backlog of things that had been sitting out there, general status inquiries, all sorts of things. And they have been able to get it down to a manageable size so that now the department is able to have a look, and they are able to process things in an appr opriate time frame and to keep on top of any new appl ications that are coming in. So that has been really brought up to date. I do not know that there is any other . . . I will take my seat to allow other Members to ask questions so that I can respond.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you for those comments, Mi nister. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Shadow Minister, Mr. Brown. You have the floor.
Mr. Walton BrownThank you, Mr. Chairman. The Honourable Minister just said that, by way of an update, the UK are now reviewing the applic ation for naturalisation for three of the four Uighurs. I guess my question would be, Given the UK insistence since 2009 that there is absolutely no legal procedure …
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Honourable Minister just said that, by way of an update, the UK are now reviewing the applic ation for naturalisation for three of the four Uighurs. I guess my question would be, Given the UK insistence since 2009 that there is absolutely no legal procedure whatsoever by which they could be naturalised or gi ven travel documents, what has changed to allow the UK to now state publicly, or allow for it to be stated publicly that they are now reviewing the applications?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Shadow Minister, is that it? Any other Member? Minister, we recognise you. You have the floor. [Pause] The Cha irman: Mr. Commissiong, did you want to ask your questions now? Yes, go ahead and ask your questions.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongThank you. Quickly, I just want to say that it is good news to hear from the Honourable Minister that the Labour Council Subcommi ttee on the Living Wage will tender its report on March 31 st. You know, we have got to find some way to halt the race …
Thank you. Quickly, I just want to say that it is good news to hear from the Honourable Minister that the Labour Council Subcommi ttee on the Living Wage will tender its report on March 31 st. You know, we have got to find some way to halt the race to the bottom, which is hurting too many Bermudians. And the report of the Joint Select Committee, of which I am Chair, we are looking to put our final report and lay it before the House around late May. And it will afford the Gover nment, the Opposition, and Bermudians in general [the opportunity] to consider both reports and their efficacy and the benefit by way of their recommendations. So that is good news. Obviously, it is an idea whose time has come. Secondly, with respect to Head 27, Immigr ation, is there any move afoot on the part of the Ministry, the department, to begin to collect emigration st atistics, so we can get a firmer handle, a more quant ified handle on how many Bermudians are leaving Bermuda? We all know through anecdotal and other evidence that there have been significant numbers of Bermudians, mostly black Bermudians in the main, over the last five or six years who have emigrated to the UK. But we do not know the numbers. We have heard anywhere from an estimate of 1,500 all the way to 3,000. We know that the census will come out with its projections. But I would like to see us have some sort of emigration control point whereby we can collect those stats in real time from people actually leaving from our ports of departure. I think we did it decades ago, perhaps, and we need to find some way to do it again. With respect to the British passports, I want to ask the Minister, Mr. Chairman. She talked about one option would be for us to obtain a licence to be able to produce our own passports. I assume that the British would need to give us permission to do so. And I guess she can confirm that. We need to understand that every da y—I do not know what it is; I am pretty sure they have the stats over there, the average. Ev ery day there may be 15, 20, 30, 40 Bermudian pas sport holders whose passports expire. And they are now affected. So I think time is, to some degree, of the essence here. Getting back to Head 29, the Registry General’s Office, I too want to commend (a slight oversight here on my part) the great work that Mr. Pennyman has done as the head of that department, and his staff, his able staff there. I believe that he does have the necessary tools to take this to the next level, this department in the area of intellectual property. I will say, though, that I found the answers I got a little am-biguous with respect to the call or the highlighting of the fact that we need to move towards establishing an intellectual property register, a digital intellectual property register, firstly. And also, our call in terms of the Progressive Labour Party’s response to the Budg-et, delivered by the Opposition Leader, that we estab-lish a Min d Management and Control Policy, by which 1476 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly the intellectual property department could, for example, create both jobs and revenue for the Bermuda Government. So in response, I heard about the need for the digitalisation of processes. So is the Minister then sa ying that . . . (Oh, she is back. Good to have you back.) Is she then saying that a precursor, a precursor to moving in that direction, if we sought to, has to see that process take place first, that being the digitalis ation of a growing number of the processes of the de-partment as they exist now? Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Thank you, Mr. Commi ssiong. Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Honourable Member , I am going to come back to you . . . just put a pin in that last question that you had be-cause I am not sure that you made it very …
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Commi ssiong. Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Honourable Member , I am going to come back to you . . . just put a pin in that last question that you had be-cause I am not sure that you made it very clear. But I did want to respond to the Honourable Shadow Minister that, with respect to why given the pushback historically on the Uighur situation, the r esponse is that they have now been in the Island for over five years with indefinite leave to remain. And as a result of that, they are now eligible to apply under the British Nationality Act. So that is . . . it has kind of been a self -perpetuating response to something over which both we and the British Government have hi storically indicated that we had no control.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Very possibly . . .yes, but it has only just now being looked at, I think it has been brought to the attention of Government House that something needs to be done and I think that they have . . . now willing to look at it, pass it on to the UK Government and now we have —
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Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That I will have to ask, I will have to try and find the answer, but I already . . . I do not know. The emigration statistics, I do know that we had a question in the House not too long ago concer ning emigration and I would . . . I have not had a new update in terms of the response, but I can certainl y go back and research that and I will be happy to give you the answer as soon as I can get that information for you. In terms of the licence to which I spoke, whether we would have to have permission to be able . . . the idea is not that we would be printing passports here. The idea is that the encrypted, you know, pas sport stock is available in the UK. What will happen is that we have a licence . . . if we have our own licence, they would be required to switch over their system to utilise our licence so that we get the right country code issuance once this is all able to be said and done. It is still early days, but it is certainly something on which we are working and pushing to try to make sure that there is a satisfactory result with respect to our Ber-muda passports. You can just ask the question again on that last comment that you made on the IP register. I am not sure that I understood the question.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister, for yielding. Mr. Commissiong, the f loor is yours.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongYes, earlier I had talked about the Register General in terms of moving it forward in terms of, you know, positioning that office for the 21 st century, enhancing our competitive and str ategic advantage. Implementing things like a Digital Intellectual Property Register, one, which we have been touting, and …
Yes, earlier I had talked about the Register General in terms of moving it forward in terms of, you know, positioning that office for the 21 st century, enhancing our competitive and str ategic advantage. Implementing things like a Digital Intellectual Property Register, one, which we have been touting, and a Mind Management and Control Policy with intellectual property that would create both jobs and revenue for the Bermuda Government. And so when you responded to that, I believe, you talked about the need for the department to be further digita lised and I was wondering if that response was indica ting that this would be the precursor before they can get to more complex service provision, in other words. Okay. The Chairm an: Thank you, Mr. Commissiong. Any other Members? The Member from constituency 36, Mr. Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am grateful to the Minister . . . in dealing with the question of licensure. I would like to get some clarification on that process. Who is driving the process of obtaining the licensure? What is involved? And are there . . . is Chambers . . . are there any legal implic ations to create the licence or to draw the licence up that in train that I could be made to understand? Particularly from the legal perspective, is there a legal, what are the legalities of the licensure that you are pursuing? Who is driving it? Is it Chambers or is it the Department of Immigration, either Mr. Pennyman or Dr.—
The ChairmanChairmanMing. Hon. Michael J. Scott: —Ming, sorry, Dr. Ming?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Minister? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Yes, let me just say that, in response to the last question, we actually, through the department, through the Permanent Sec-retary having made contact with a company who, in turn, have made contact with a company who …
Thank you, Member. Minister?
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Yes, let me just say that, in response to the last question, we actually, through the department, through the Permanent Sec-retary having made contact with a company who, in turn, have made contact with a company who is r esponsible for issuing licences in respect of the Eur opean Union. So, this is not something new that is coming into being, it is something that has been tried and tested historically. So, we are trying to piggyback on that existing capability. And obviously once we go a little bit further down the road, as I did say this was very preliminary, but once we get a little bit further down the road any thing respecting any legalities will obviously be run through the Attorney General’s Chambers to make sure that we are on the right wic ket in terms of what we are able to do. But it looks like it is quite possible given what we see as an initial glance from our layperson’s perspective. Obviously, there will be further things to consider as we go further down the road. In response to the Honourable Member from constituency 21, the answer is yes. What we are doing now is basically looking at digitising what we presently have. We are looking at other systems and things that could be incorporated to ensure that we have . . . to ensure that we have the correct —
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: —to ensure that we have as many as possible updated systems with which we can, under which we can operate. There were a couple of questions earlier that were asked, and I failed to answer them at that point in time, and I think it is important to comment and that was with respect to Digicel. The question that came up was on Digicel, as to whether, in fact, there was any veracity behind the report about the individuals. As soon as I was made aware of it, I sent an e- mail to the CEO of Digicel and his response to me was that there is no truth to the story that was carried on TNN and that situation . . . that there was nothing. I suggested to him at that time that he ought to contact the media because it was the media who were running the story. The department, obviously, from my per-spective, we are concerned to ensure that people are not being treated inhumanely. And when he gave me comfort that this was not the case, I think that the init iative to make sure that the information was made public was the responsibility of the company and not of the Ministry. But it is certainly something that we are keeping a close eye to because we do not want for Bermuda to have a poor reputation to say that we allow people to come here and they are not well treated. The other question, also, with respect to pe nalties, with civil penalties. I think that civil penalties, we believe them to be appropriate and adequate at this point in time. There is something like $5,000 for the first infraction and $10,000 for each subsequent infraction. We did have a case, fairly recently, in which the total of the costs for civil penalties was up to about $70,000 or $80,000. I think that was actually appealed through the courts and I think the judge kind of mini-mised it because I think he reckoned that some of the instances may have been able to be, you know, converged to be less than whatever . . . anyway, the judge made a decision to minimise, to downgrade the penalty. But the penalties that are in place by the de-partment are very robustly followed up and if som ebody makes an appeal to the court and the court d ecides differently, then we have to live with that. But we certainly believe that the level of penalties is appropr iate. Let me see. I have got a note here saying that [the] IP registration system is already kept electron ically. Th e next step is to provide for e- filing and e - payment, which the department is looking into. But if we allow . . . to global access digitally we may cut out local agents who file applications on behalf of their clients. So I think there is a delicate balance between that which the Government can do and the extent to which we are able to impact local entrepreneurs who are providing such services.
The ChairmanChairmanMinister, you still have about four minutes, but if you wanted to wrap up— [Inaudible interjection]
The ChairmanChairmanYes. I have indicated that if she wants to wrap up, she can wrap up if she likes. If you want to go ahead and move your heads, unless there are . . . I believe there is another Member who wants to speak, hold on. Mr. Commissiong, you have …
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongYes, and this may be . . . I will divert. It is 20 seconds. This may be a little bit r edundant, it has probably been answered already, I just thought that the . . . can you explain why we have the Minister of Economic Development apparently leading …
Yes, and this may be . . . I will divert. It is 20 seconds. This may be a little bit r edundant, it has probably been answered already, I just thought that the . . . can you explain why we have the Minister of Economic Development apparently leading on that domain issue, but yet it is in your Ministry. So, can you explain it to me? Untangle that somewhat? I would appreciate it.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Minister, you have the floor again. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, have you ever taken on more work than . . . if you can pass it on to somebody else? [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: No, I think there is obviously some good reason …
Thank you, Member. Minister, you have the floor again. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, have you ever taken on more work than . . . if you can pass it on to somebody else? [Laughter] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: No, I think there is obviously some good reason behind it and I will be 1478 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly able to get that answer for you. But I know that it may come under regulatory, something . . . I am not 100 per cent certain, but if it is mine, I will certainly drive it. I do know that I was out attending a family funeral, so it could be that he was going to car ry that legislation in my stead. I will find out. I will let you know. But with that said, I just wish to extend my appreciation to all Members. I believe we have had the opportunity to have a robust debate and a to and fro with an exchange of ideas, and I think that is a lways very positive. And, again, a very special thanks to my entire department led by my Permanent Secr etary who ably serves the people of Bermuda through the Department of Home Affairs . . . the Ministry of Home Affairs. And with that, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move Head 93, Headquarters; Head 27, Department of Immigration; and Head 29, the Registry General. The Chair man: With that, Minister, that ends the debate on the Ministry of Home Affairs. The next Ministry that we will be debating for the . . . the next Ministry we will be debating–– We are just waiting for a couple of minutes being you ended early, Minister. If anyone else . . . well, w e hav e ended, w e have clos ed it, s o they cannot. But w e are waiti ng for the Minister f or the Environment t o join us. H e is o n his way i n and . . . so in the meantim e we are just g oing to approve the Minister’s heads that were just passed and then we will begin with the next head. [Gavel] The Chairm an: At this point we considered the Heads 93, 27, and 29 moved. [Motion carr ied: The Ministry of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 27, and 29 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18.] The Chair man: And the Minister for the Environment will be joining us now and we will start the heads of the Ministry of Environment. We will recognise the Minister, Mr. Sylvan Richards. Minister Richards, you have the floor. [Pause] The Chairm an: Minister, would you like to begin now? I see you have got yourself all set up and ready. I will just acknowledge that Minister Richards, the Minister for the [Ministry of] Environment is now ready to begin and we will be debating Heads 50, 32, 68 and 79. Minister Richards, the floor is yours. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT Hon. Sylv an D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I am pleased to present Head 50, Head 32, Head 68, and Head 79 for the Ministry of Enviro nment. HEAD 50 —MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT HEA DQUARTERS Hon. Sylva n D. Richards, Jr.: Ministry of Enviro nment Headquarters, Head 50, is found on pages B - 161 to B -163 of the approved Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for Head 50, the Ministry of Environment Headquarters found on pages B -161 to B -163 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure in the Budget Book. However, Mr. Chairman, I would like to pr ovide you with an overview of the Ministry of Enviro nment first, a total overview. Ministry Overview Hon. Syl van D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the current account expenditure estimate allocated to the Ministry of Environment is $22,831,000 for the 2017/18 fiscal year and is shown on page B -161. This represents an increase of $1,756,000, or 8 per cent above the combined portfolio heads, inclusive of the addition of Ministry Headquarters. Mr. Chairman, the anticipated revenue for the Ministry of Environment for the year 2017/18 is $3,028,000 which represents an increase of $89,000, or 3 per cent when compared to revenue during the 2016/17 budget period, as seen on page B -161. The increase in the revenue budget is tied to projected fee increases. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry’s capital budget for 2017/18 is $2,005,000. The Ministry’s budgeted em-ployee full -time equivalents for the fiscal year 2017/18 are at 257, an increase of five as seen on page B -161. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Environment was established on May 13, 2016 with the Gover nment confirming a solid commitment to Bermuda’s rich environment and natural resources. A shared vision by all in the community is rooted in the premise of the importance of the Island’s environment to its econo-my. Mr. Chairman, a strong driver to maintaining the Island’s distinguished natural beauty is our tourism industry. It has been said often over the last f ew months that Bermuda is a garden paradise and any development should be sustainable socially, econom ically, and physically. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Environment seeks to manage Bermuda’s strategic direction in a
Bermuda House of Assembly way that provides balance between development and the conservation of Bermuda’s natural environment. The Ministry aims to do this by: • providing direction, management, and financial accountability to the partners of the Mini stry; • ensuring that policy is created and impl emented to deliver the services and govern the activities of departments within the Ministry; • managing Bermuda’s natural resources, built heritage, parks and beaches in a manner that maintains or enhances their quality and pr omotes sustainable utilisation ; and • ensuring an integrated, aligned, and strategic approach to natural resource management across government. Mr. Chairman, the mandate of the Ministry of Environment Headquarters, Head 50, is to provide centralised support services to the operating pr ogrammes which include: the Department of Planning; the Department of Parks; and the Department of Env ironment and Natural Resources. The Ministry is also responsible for providing a grant in support to the golf course.
Expenditure Overview
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chair man, the Ministry of Environment Headquarters has been all ocated a budget of $1,314,000 for the financial year 2017/18. As this is a new Ministry formed in the last financial year, there was no budget allocation for the Ministry Headquarters in the 2016/17 financial year. I will now talk about General Administration, cost centre 60000.This section comprises the Minis-try’s administrative support staff. Once again, the ori ginal estimate for 2016/17 was zero as the Ministry did not exist. The estimate for 2017/18 is $1,314,000. The number of employees is one. Within the General Administration, cost centre 60000, Salaries, within the revised 2016/17 budget year were $112,000 as noted on page B -163. This amount represented the balance of payroll that was used to pay the employee’s salary. For 2017/18, the estimate for Salaries is $184,000. This represents one full-time equivalent post at the Ministry Headquarters, as seen on page B -163. The allocation of $83,000 for Professional Services represents the services of the independent planning inspector. This role is integral to maintaining an objective mechanism to handle appeals within the planning process as seen on page B -163. The amount of $55,000 is allocated for travel in 2017/18. This would allow the Minister and Ministry staff to attend overseas meetings, including upcoming meetings with the Sargasso Sea Commission and the gathering of Overseas Territory Environment Ministers planned for April 2017. In the 2017/18 budget, $20,000 is allocated for Materials and Supplies. This amount reflects the cost of setting up the office to house the headquarters of the newly created Ministry of Environment, which became a standalone ministry in May of 2016. Manpower. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of E nvironment Headquarters establishment was set at one full-time post in the 2016/17 budget year and this will remain unchanged in the 2017/18 budget year, as shown on page B -163. Grants and Contributions , Golf Courses . Mr. Chairman, the amount of $950,000 has been allocat-ed in th e 2017/18 budget and incorporated in the Mi nistry Headquarters, Head 50, allocation. This repr esents the operating grant given by Government to the Ocean View and Port Royal Golf Courses. This con-tribution can also be noted in Schedule 1 in the sec-tion entitled Grants and Contributions located on page C-18 of the Budget Book. The grant covers this contract, payroll for 29 full -time staff, and operating expenses for the running of the golf courses. Mr. Chairman, you may also be aware that the international management company, Troon Golf, has been contracted by the Board of Trustees to manage both golf courses. It is anticipated that due to the marketing efforts of Troon Golf and the increased number of visitors on the Island for the America’s Cup there will be an increase in the number of golf rounds played at Ocean View and Port Royal during the com-ing summer season. Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Environment believes that golf is an important pillar of our local community. We are pleased that some of the most beautiful golf courses in the world . . . and golf is also important to tourism. The Port Royal Golf Course, which won the World Golf Award in 2015, is ranked among the world’s best public golf courses by Golf Digest and named Bermuda’s Finest Course by the New York Times . However, our golf courses have been under attack with the recent closure of the Ri ddell’s Bay golf course and the Ocean View Golf Course (currently unprofitable). Mr. Chairman, the Ministry of Environment has been allocated a $950,000 grant toward the operating expenses of the Port Royal and Ocean View Golf Courses. The golf courses have been consistent-ly underfunded for the last five years. The combined operating loss for fiscal year 2015/16 was $1.3 million while the operating grant was $1.35 million. The oper-ating grant for fiscal year 2016/17 was reduced to $950,000 despite a forecast loss of $1.5 million. The forecast loss increased by $200,000 after the Board of Trustees hired international management company, Troon, to assist with changes towards making the golf courses profitable. Mr. Chairman, the Board of Trustees is cognitive of the Ocean View Golf Course because of the historical significance of the course. However, the Board recommends that the Ocean View undergo a 1480 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly transfor mation by combining community activities with the core golfing business. This should help minimise losses over time and generate social benefits for our community. Mr. Chairman, it has been recommended, among other initiatives, that the Ocean View Golf Course become a centre of community -based activ ities with golf remaining a central component. This would require some investment and private financial support, both corporate and individual. This should include both an educational and a youth component. Perh aps a youth learning centre with the primary goal to provide a positive and fun learning environment that will support the traditional education of primary and middle school students. Golf instruction would form an integral part of the programme, providing an introduction to the sport while instilling key personal character-istics of discipline, concentration, patience, and hon-esty while also developing critical social skills. Mr. Chairman, the Ocean View Golf Course is a beautiful course despite its fiscal challenges. It is close to Hamilton and it is possible to complete nine holes within two hours. There is the possibility of evening play in the summer months and the corporate Nine-Hole League might encourage more players to experience this beautiful cour se.
Major Achievements
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, in the early days of the new Ministry there was a focus to develop agricultural and fisheries industries. There was a drive to complete the National Crop Strategy, as the Government continues to embrace improv ements to Bermuda’s food security. Further details r egarding the National Crop Strategy will be discussed further in this presentation. Mr. Chairman, a key achievement of the Mi nistry last year was the Minister’s attendance at the World Conservation Congress in Hawaii organised by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). This Congress represents one of the world’s largest gatherings of scientists, educators and com-munity organisations and government leaders. The Minister was invited by the organisers of the session on Protected Areas to present Bermudian examples of best practice in managing marine and terrestrial co nservation areas. This presentation led to Bermuda being selected by the IUCN as a pilot location to test the use of non- traditional methods of protecting land and sea habitats. Mr. Chairman, in December 2016 the Minister of Environment participated in a Conference of the Parties to the Convention on Biological Diversity in Cancun, Mexico. This meeting is held every two years and brings together representatives of the 196 coun-tries that have signed onto the Convention on Biolog ical Diversity (CBD). The CBD is the United Nations’ key tool for delivering sustainable development and ensuring the world’s biological resources are used wisely. At the meeting the Minister was invited to participate as part of the United Kingdom and Great Brit-ain contingent in the Agriculture Roundtable. While in Mexico the Minister met Canada’s Minister for Fisher-ies and Oceans to sign the Hamilton Declaration for the Protection of the Sargasso Sea making Canada the eighth signatory to this agreement.
Plans for the Upcoming Year Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, in the coming year the Ministry will continue to put Bermuda on the world stage in environmental diplomacy, this spring. The Ministry will host the joint meeting of the Sargasso Sea Commission and signatories to the Hamilton Declaration. Since the establishment of the Ministry of Environment two countries have signed onto the Hamilton Declaration. With the Cayman I slands signing onto the declaration at the end of the month this will bring to nine the total number of coun-tries who have joined the Bermuda Government in committing to the Hamilton Declaration to protect the Sargasso Sea. Additionally, Mr. Chairman, the Minister will travel to Alderney in the Channel Islands in April to attend a gathering of Ministers of the Environment from the UK’s Overseas Territories and Crown D ependencies. This important gathering will allow the Territories Ministers to discuss amongst themselves priority areas of work and then to bring these to the attention of Ministers and officials from the United Kingdom who will attend the latter days of the meet-ing. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my presentation on estimates of expenditure and revenues for the Mi nistry of Environment Headquarters, Head 50.
HEAD 32 —DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, I am now pleased to present the budget for Head 32, the Departm ent of Planning, found on pages B -164 through B -168 of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure in the Budget Book.
Vision and Mission
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the D epartment of Planning believes in balancing beauty and progress to create an enduring Island community. To that end, the department strives to responsibly serve the people of Bermuda to ensure the sustainable management of the natural and built environment. Applying its core values of teamwork, communication, trust, proactivity, integrity, and responsibility the de-partment is accountable for: • the preparation of development and local plans;
Bermuda House of Assembly • balancing of development demands and env ironment protections; • monitoring and enforcement of development regulations; • management of building activity through a building permit system; • proper implementation of the relevant building codes to ensure life and safety by way of i nspections under construction; and • timely intervention with respect to compliance issues. The department seeks to provide its services and carry out its tasks in an efficient manner with transparency and consistency and within time frames.
Expenditure Overview Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the D epartment of Planning has been allocated a budget of $3,304,000 for the financial year 2017/18. This figure is an increase of $102,000, or 3 per cent, compared with the department’s budget for the 2016/17 financial year. Mr. Chairman, during the 2016/17 budget year the department commenced work on the implement ation and adoption of a new applications case management system. This move will ensure a more robust IT platform for the department’s tasks. It will be easier to access, more transparent in the information avail able to the public, and will have the capacity to allow for the online submission and revision of applications. In addition, it will facilitate better, swifter communication between government departments. The new platform known as EnerGov is a software product of Tyler Technologies and was s elected after rigorous RFI and RFP processes. The increase in the department’s budget is almost entirely accounted for by the necessary shift to the new case management programme, EnerGov. For the year 2017/18, therefore, 93 per cent of the Planning budget is allocated to Salaries, and 7 per cent is allocated to operational expenses.
Revenue Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the department’s revenue is projected at $1,205,000 as shown on page B -166 of the Budget Book. The main sources of revenue will be: • Building Permit Fees at $542,000; • Planning Application Fees at $375,000; • Elevator Licensing Fees at $150,000; and • Elevator Inspection Fees at $1,000. This revenue projection is an increase of $80,000 compared with the original revenue estimates for 2016/17. It is on par with the revised estimate of $1,207,000 for 2016/17. The increase in revenue co nstituency be attributed to the larger construction pr o-jects underway in 2016/17 and anticipated for 2017/18.
Capital Expenditure Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: The Department of Planning has a capital acquisitions budget for 2017/18 of $435,000 found on page C -11 of the Budget Book. The majority of these funds are associated with the full implementation of the new case management sy stem EnerGov. That amount is $402,000. It covers the full implementation and the go- live phase of the contract with Tyler Technologies as well as associated software and equipment. The remaining amount of $33,000 is set aside for a new vehicle or vehicles (if appropriate secondhand cars are available). Planning is a department that conducts more than 8,000 site visits and inspec-tions each year. As such, dependable transportation is required. The department’s current small fleet of cars is unreliable and ageing and very much in need of replacement.
Grants and Contributions
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: The Department of Planning continues to have a grant allocation of $10,000 as shown on page C -18 of the Budget Book. This grant is for the Heritage Fund which supports the interest -free loa n scheme available to owners of listed buildings of architectural and historic interest. The loan scheme is run in conjunction with Butterfield Bank and involves the Government of Bermuda pa ying the interest on approved restoration loans at a r educed rate. The Department of Planning with the Historic Buildings Advisory Committee administers disbursements from the Heritage Fund. Mr. Chairman, I now turn your attention to the allocations for the individual cost centres found on page B -165 of the Budget Book. First, general admi nistration, cost centre 42000. This section comprises the department’s upper management and administr ative support as well as its trainees. The original est imate for 2016/17 was $712,000; the estimate for 2017/18 is $801,000. This represents an increase of $89,000, or a 12.5 per cent increase. Including Salaries, funding under general administration, cost centre 42000, increased by $89,000, or 12.5 per cent. Within this cost centre, however, are most of the department’s operational expenses, i ncluding the additional expense associated with the new IT system EnerGov. The work of this section is being carried out by six people. Front desk operation, cost centre 42020. As its name suggests, the employees in this section are the face of the department and they fulfil its primary customer service function. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $256,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $260,000; an increase of $4,000, or 1.6 per cent. And 1482 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly there are four employees, which is unchanged from the previous year. Funding under front desk operations will i ncrease by $4,000, or 1.6 per cent, while the number of posts in this section remains the same. The increase is due to the salary up- lift anticipated with pay scale increments. The front desk section performs a key role in providing advice to the public, assisting appl icants and agents with submissions, tracking applic ation, communicating with consultees, and ensuring the case management information and parcel mapping is accurate. Enforcement and searches, cost centre 42050. The Enforcement section addresses issues of non-compliance with planning and building legislation. In addition, it provides a service to purchasers by searching for unresolved compliance issues during the sales process. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $291,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is unchanged and the number of employees is three. The allocation for enforcement and searches will remain the same at $291,000. While the section has an establishment of three posts, it is only rel atively recently that progress has been made with respect to actually staffing the positions through internal transfers. This is due to shortfalls in staff levels of other sections of the department which have been tempo-rarily addressed by the redeployment of enforcement officers. Nonetheless, Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to inform you that the long- sought -after amendments to the Development and Planning Act 1974, which pr ovides the framework for the design improvements to the section, will be completed this year. These amendments will give enforcement officers improved legislative tools and options with respect to compl iance issues, including the ability to impose civil pena lties. Forward Planning, cost centre 42060. The Forward Planning section compares the development and local plans that seek to balance development demands with protection of our architectural heritage in environmentally sensitive areas. The original est imate for 2016/17 was $546,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $533,000 which represents a decrease of $13,000, or 2.4 per cent. The number of employees remains unchanged at five. With Forward Planning the budget reduction is $13,000, or 2.4 per cent. This decrease is a result simply of resignations causing posts to become vacant. These posts, when filled, will be filled at the lower end of the pay scale and thus the decrease in the salary allocation. Forward Planning has been very short -staffed for an extended period now and with job descriptions updated and recruitment underway it is hoped the department can undertake the statutory review of the Bermuda Plan 2008 in a timely manner. Development Applications, cost centre 42070. The development applications section processes ap-plications for planning permission. The original est imate for 2016/17 was $684,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $685,000 which represents a $1,000 i ncrease, or an increase of 0.15 per cent. The number of employees will remain unchanged at seven. Fund-ing for development applications increased very slight-ly by $1,000, or 0.15 p er cent. This is due to the need to accommodate a pay scale increment; otherwise the Development Management section is largely u nchanged from the prior year. Building Permits, cost centre 42080. The building permit section reviews building permit appl ications for minor works, residential, and commercial development. The purpose is to ensure construction projects comply with Bermuda’s building codes. The section works closely with the Department of Health and the Bermuda Fire and Rescue Service in its r eview of architectural and construction drawings. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $147,000. The est imate for 2017/18 is $149,000, or a $2,000 increase, which is a 1.4 per cent increase. The number of e mployees will remain unchanged at two. Funding for building permits increased by $2,000, or 1.4 per cent, due to an anticipated up- lift in salaries over the coming year. The other minor expenses of the section printing are unchanged from previous years. Building Inspections, cost centre 42090. The department’ s building and electrical inspectors check construction projects while in progress to ensure compliance with the relevant codes. This section i ncludes, also, an elevator inspector who checks all lift type devices. Between them the inspectors carry out more than 6,000 inspections each year. That number rises to more than 8,000 when all staff site inspections are taken into account. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $566,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $585,000. This is an increase of $19,000, or 3.3 per cent. The number of employees remains unchanged at seven. The allocation for building inspections will increase by $19,000, or 3.3 per cent. This increase represents full funding of the department’s second electrical inspector post. In recent years, the depar tment has not engaged two full -time electrical inspectors. Instead the inspection service has been provided with one full -time inspector and one on- call inspector. However, it is increasingly difficult to provide a timely inspection service with only one full- time electrical inspector covering the entire Island; hence, the dec ision to fully fund the post going forward.
Manpower
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the D epartment of Planning establishment was set at 34 posts in the 2016/17 budget year and this will remain unchanged in the 2017/18 budget year, as shown on page B -166 of the Budget Book. There are two add itional posts that remain frozen and unfunded as a r esult of the post holders’ participation in the early r eBermuda House of Assembly tirement incentive scheme. Most of the department’s approved recruitment is completed now, bringing the filled posts to 27 with two additional posts being filled on a contract or on- call basis. As with any organis ation, resignations and career changes make it chal-lenging for the department to be fully staffed at all times.
Output Measures
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the department’s output measures are to be found on pages B-167 and B -168 of the Budget Book. Comparing the original forecast with the act ual outcomes, we can see the Department of Planning has largely achieved or come close to its original for ecast performance standards. Highlighting the key per-formance indicators, I draw your attention to the Front Desk section found on page B -167 which continues to ensure that 100 per cent of valid applications are input into BEMIS [Bermuda Environmental Management Information System] within eight days. This section also ensures agents are informed if there are any de-ficiencies or additional information requests to be addressed in respect of the applications within 24 to 48 hours. Mr. Chairman, the development applications section, found on page B- 168, came close to its for ecasted processing time of 75 per cent applications being determined within 12 weeks to achieve a standard of 71 per cent of applications processed within 12 weeks in the year to date. For many years, this performance standard was set at 55 per cent for applic ations being processed within 12 weeks. Mr. Chairman, with respect to building permits, found on page B -168, the original forecast performance measure was for 70 per cent of building permit applications to be determined within six weeks. The standard was revised down to 65 per cent of applications processed within six weeks. This reflected the unsettled staffing situation whilst recruitment to key posts was underway. In the year to date, 58 per cent of residential development permits were deter-mined within six weeks, and 71 per cent of commercial development permits were processed within six weeks. For the permitted development permits, or Minor Works, the revised target for 2016/17 was 60 per cent, down from the original forecast of 80 per cent within six days. Again, this reflected the time needed to complete recruitment to key posts. The building inspections section continues to excel, exceeding its original forecast performance standard of 95 per cent of inspections being carried out within one day of the request being made. In 2016, 97 per cent of inspections were carried out wit hin 24 hours of the request. This prompted a revision in the forecast performance standard to 98 per cent of inspections being carried out within 24 hours of the request. In total, 6,831 inspections were carried out in 2016. In total, 438 occupancy certificates were issued in 2016, which is a decrease compared with 2015 when 473 were issued. Mr. Chairman, for those purchasing property the enforcement and searches section (found on page B-167) experienced a slowdown in the processing planning searches. In the year to date, only 70 per cent of searches were completed within the statutory period of 28 days. Similar to the building permit sec-tion, Enforcement and Searches suffered from a lack of resources for much of the year. So, while the num-ber of searches received seems to be keeping pace with previous years —208 in the year to date—the section’s ability to respond quickly was off -pace. The enforcement section issued one enforcement notice during the year and provided ev idence several times for Magistrate’s Court cases . On the policy planning side, the forward planning section met its primary performance target by undertaking and completing the objections phase of the City of Hamilton Plan 2015, which was gazetted in draft form in 2015, and seen the process through to the approval of the Plan in its final form by the Legisl ature in 2016. Mr. Chairman, the department reviewed all the objections and written representations received during the statutory public comment phase in the fall of 2015. Staff resolved all but one of the objections lodged and provided detailed assessments of the wri tten representations. In accordance with section 11 of the Development and Planning Act 1974, the then-Minster of Home Affairs struck a tribunal in January of last year to review those objections and written repr esentations as well as the department’s stated pos itions. The Tribunal completed its work, which included conducting a hearing on the outstanding objection, and detailed its findings in the Zoning Objections R eport. The Minister reviewed and accepted the Tribu-nal’s recommendations and the City of Hamilton Plan 2015 was approved by the Legislature in June 2016.
Major Achievements
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, under the heading of Major Achievements comes the City of Ham ilton Plan 2015, which I have just mentioned and which was approved by the Legislature in 2016. Mr. Chairman, regarding its service delivery, the Department of Planning continues to monitor its standards, seeking improvements where possible. The past year’s performance suggests the department is vulnerable to periods of unsettled staffing and as a result its drive to complete the approved recruitment is important. As this budget year comes to an end the shortfall in staffing is being addressed. Mr. Chairm an, in terms of major building pr ojects, as a result of the America’s Cup schedule for this year the department has dealt with a number of 1484 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly applications for development related to this event. With bases for the various teams in place, or well on their way to being in place, focus has shifted to the America’s Cup Event Village to be located on the landfill acreage in the South Basin, now known as Cross Island. There are many components associated with the Cup activities, such as retail outlets, food vendors, sponsor bases, grandstands, marinas, et cetera. A number of these components are not yet started and so the department is in regular contact with the project managers, BCM McAlpine, to ensure all planning applications and building permits are dealt with ex peditiously. The majority of the buildings are of a temporary nature. With respect to major hotel construction, 2016/17 saw the soft opening of The Loren at Pink Beach in my constituency 7. This new boutique hotel when completed will comprise a 44- key mai n hotel building with an additional 21 keys in 7 condominiums. Associated features include a restaurant, spa, swi mming pools, and kids club. Another hotel under construction at present is phase one of the Morgan’s Point redevelopment, when built out this w ill comprise an 84- key hotel and spa, 149 residences, and a 77berth marina. In addition to these two hotel projects under construction already, the Development Applic ations Board granted planning permission for a new hotel in St. George’s. That project when completed will comprise a 122- key hotel with restaurant, spa, condominiums, and residences.
Plans for the Upcoming Year Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, as I mentioned earlier, the implementation of the new IT system EnerGov is now underwa y. This system will be more readily accessible and informational for the pub-lic, as well as allow government departments that Planning works with to receive and submit application information more quickly. The department’s steering committee meets regularly to make decisions on changes to business processes and prepare for the new case management system. It is expected to go live in November of 2017. Mr. Chairman, another major project expected to be completed in the upcoming year is a local plan for North East Hamilton. This community is considered unique within the city and worthy of its own specific local plan. North East Hamilton contains distinctive residential and commercial buildings with a special charm, character, and history. The department is working to produce a draft local plan for discussion with the residents, property owners, and businesses, as well as the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation. Additionally, Mr. Chairman, the year 2017/18 will see an amendment to the Development and Plan-ning Act to adjust the enforcement provisions, laid in the House. While there have been some delays in moving this project forward, the department is currently reviewing a complete draft of the legislation. It anti cipates laying the final version for approval by the Le gislature during the summer session. Finally, Mr. Chairman, the Department of Planning is pursuing the Investors in People Standard which explores the practices and outcomes within organisations under three performance guideposts: leading, supporting, and improving. The department is currently implementing its action plan which seeks to: foster leadership skills at every level; enable faster decision making, customer focus and agility; and d eliver continuous improvement and sustainable su ccess. The Department’s internal advocate team is driving the action plan over the next year to 18 months. Planning has made many changes and a dvances in its processes in recent years and the Inves-tors in People programme will help the department develop and internalise a culture where the key performance indicators are ingrained. Mr. Chairman, in concluding my presentation on the Estimates of Expenditure and Revenue for the Department of Planning, Head 32, I wish to thank the Department of Planning team for their commitment during this past year. I do not doubt that the staff will continue to build on the progress made to date. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my presentation of Estimates of Expenditure and Revenue for the D epartment of Planning, Head 32.
HEAD 68— PARKS
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to now present budget Head 68, the Depar tment of Parks, found on pages B- 169 to B -174 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure in the Budget Book. Mr. Chairman, the Department of Parks is responsible for the management and the maintenance of approximately 2,000 acres of park, beach, and Government land throughout the Island. This includes 75 parks, 96 properties, 30 public schools, approx imately 30 kilometres of roadside grass verges str etching across the Island, and 6 sports fields under the Ministry of Youth and Sports. The complexity of the Department of Parks stems from its scope of work which entails enforcement, development, maint enance, cultural and historic management, education, and administration. The Mission of the Department of Parks is: “To develop and maintain public parks, beaches, and school grounds and to produce plants necessary for this purpose; to provide safe and aesthetically pleasing, active and passive recreational and educational facilities for the enjoyment of residents and visitors; and promote the educational and cultural history relat-ing to our environment.”
Bermuda House of Assembly Our world economy has demanded that we do more with less, which is an ideology that the Depar tment of Parks has implemented and embraced while still managing vital safety services, like Lifeguard and Park Ranger patrols. The growth of foliage has no respect for budgets and resources, however, the Parks team remains vigilant. The main objectives of the department are to: • maintain and manage all parks and beaches to the specified standards; • provide a trained and professional lifeguard service at five public beaches; • to protect and preserve open spaces for pr esent and future generations; • to enforce the Bermuda National Parks Act 1986 and the associated Regulations; and • to manage cultural and natural resources. In this climate private/public partnerships are key to development and maintenance for financial and resource support. The department will be working with various industry partners to ensure the success of its objectives. The Skills Development [Programme] is a community programme that the Department of Parks supports whereby young willing volunteers are trained in the field of horticulture, specifically, pr opagation, pruning, and handling of small equipment. This group works alongside the Parks team to gain experience and knowledge and the department gains assistance in completing various tasks. Whilst there is no promise of employment with the Government of Bermuda, successful life skills are instilled in the participants to prepare them to take advantage of employment op-portunities in the industry. In the current fiscal year, several Skills Development participants have been gainfully employed as a result of the skills learned in this invaluable programme. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Skills Development Group facilitators, Roger Parris and Sam Santucci, along with the associated charity, the Garden Club, and all of the general sponsors that have supported this community programme that reaches out to our young people. With only four months until the much- awaited America’s Cup Event in June . . . well, it is not quite four months, a little shorter than that, the whole Island is preparing to showcase Bermuda at its finest. The Department of Parks is no different as it is responsible for the vista that our guests will see upon arrival and throughout their stay. The dedicated Parks team is ready, eager, and honoured to display our parks and beaches in all their beauty that makes Bermuda wellrenowned. Mr. Chairman, the current account expenditure estimate allotted to the Department of Parks — Head 68, for the 2017/18 fiscal year is shown on page B-170. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $9,845,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $10,002,000. This is a $157,000 increase, which represents 2 per cent over the previous year. The number of emplo yees will remain unchanged at 143. The estimate for 2017/18 of $10,002,000 represents a 2 per cent increase of $157,000 over the 2016/17 original estimate. The Department of Parks has 143 posts within its remit, which can be found on page B -172 of the Budget Book. Of these 143 posts, 107 are industrial, 23 are civil servant, and 13 are seasonal positions. Currently, there are 11 funded industrial post vacancies and 6 funded civil servant vacancies within the department. The capital acquisitions estimate for the D epartment of Parks, as seen on page C -11, totals $300,000 for the replacement of maintenance vehicles that have long outlasted the recommended lifespan. There is an expectation that with new vehicles on hand the service provision would increase and less valuable time would be depleted on redeploying veh icles to fulfil the shortfalls of the inoperable vehicles. In addition to transporting employees, tools, and equi pment to work sites, these vehicles are imperative to the daily functions of the department like: trash collec-tion in the parks and beaches; hauling away grass and foliage that has been cut back; moving downed trees from the roadways; and more. The community experienced the benefits of these services after the roadways were quickly cleared after Hurricane Nicole last October. The capital development estimate, as seen on page C -5 of the Budget Book, is $600,000 which will fund enhancements to forts, parks, and beaches. No funds have been allocated to the construction of the Parks maintenance and mustering station that was intended to accommodate the employees’ tools, equipment, and other necessities for the effective function of the department. To combat inefficiencies, existing muster points and storage facilities will be closely monitored and maintained. The revenue estimate for the department appears on page B- 171 of the Budget Book. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $59,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $68,000 which is an increase year over year of $9,000, or a 15 per cent increase. The est imate for 2017/18 is projected to be $68,000 which, once again, is a $9,000, or 15 per cent increase from the 2016/17 original estimate for $59,000. The Revenue sources are as follows: • camping fees of $20,000; • concessions of $3,000; • service fees of $500; • horticultural produce of $5,000; • facilities of $3,800; • admissions to Fort St. Catherine’s of $35,000; and • other retail sales of $1,000. In total, $36,000 will be raised from the activ ities at Fort St. Catherine, with camping fees contri buting $20,000. 1486 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, the Department of Parks is fundamental to the safety of our residents and visitors before and after hurricanes and high winds. The af-termath of Hurricane Nicole was no different as our team cleared trees and limbs that had fallen across roadways, school grounds, parks, and beaches. Our crews, park rangers, and lifeguards took to the streets to pave the way for Bermuda’s speedy return to bus iness. The Lifeguard section sounded the alarm and posted warnings and closures due to the high surf and dangerous conditions of our waters before and after the storm, solidifying the team commitment to safety. Mr. Chairman, the reduction in staff impacted the service delivery of the team, which weighs heavily on this dedicated group. Efficiencies and seasonal assistant park rangers and seasonal lifeguards resul ted in a reduction of normal operating procedures, tours, coverage, enforcement opportunities, and assistance to Emergency Services. However, as consummate professionals, the team soldiered on to exhibit the highest degree of proficiency possible throughout the 2016 summer season. The Park Ranger service suc cessfully incorporated cutting- edge technology to offset apparent shortfalls such as the use of drones to assist with pa-trols and the use of mapping software to enhance the efficiency of normal operating procedures. Mr. Chairman, Emancipation Day and Summers Day (or if you prefer Bermuda Day and Cup Match) are two of many times that the Park team shows off their ability to insert calm in the midst of bacchanal . . . partying.
[Laughter]
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Working with emergency services they facilitate smooth flowing traffic, easy parking—and I have seen this myself —the di ffusing of tempers when patrons over extend during the festivities.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Over extend themselves with libations during the f estivities. Mr. Chairman, trash collection and bathroom maintenance continues to be a challenge for the department. The performance can be attributed to the size of the team and the resources available to them. There is a team of one that cleans the bathrooms in most of our parks and beaches. Two teams of two individuals collect the trash from all of the parks, beaches, and government land under the depar tment’s remit. Considering these factors, it is no wonder that there have been some lapses in service. There is a new measure of commitment to ensure that these services are improved, utilising new strategies with the new allotment of funds for 2017/18. This will be exemplified in the shift in the deployment of staff to allow for a dedicated person at the H orseshoe Bay Beach. Part of the responsibilities of this person will be to periodically empty the receptacles on the beach and attend to the bathrooms throughout the day. The botanic jewel of Bermuda faced a very challenging year that spotlighted the need for strong leadership in addition to tools, equipment, and other resources. As the year went on, several individuals stepped in and have aided in the transition of the Bermuda Botanical Gardens into a showcase that we can be proud of. Whilst we have more work to do, we are moving in a positive direction. Mr. Chairman, the maintenance of the Bermuda Railway Trail and the dog waste pails has been a source of sleepless nights for many. Without the contractors in place to landscape the trail and clean the doggie pots, conditions have been less than opt imum. The department lost the two technical officers responsible for the maintenance of the Bermuda Rai lway Trail and the doggie pots. This coupled with the lack of available funding caused a noticeable void in basic services. However, with interim provisions in place, new funding, and plans for progression it can be anticipated that 2017/18 will see sizeable i mprovements. With the assistance of officers and r esources from the Ministry of Public Works, I am pleased to say that two successful tender processes have been completed and contractors have been s ecured to maintain the Bermuda Railway Trail and the doggie pots. Mr. Chairman, Christmas time is magical for many of us as we deck our respective halls with lights and decorations. Unfortunately . . . well, some of us, still stuff ourselves with traditional dishes and sweets until it is problematic to function properly. There are those in our community that do not enjoy these pleasures in life and the Department of Parks team worked day and night this past Christmas to produce a Winter Wonderland that all could enjoy. For only one non-perishable item, residents and guests were able to delight in the sights and sounds of this wonderful hol iday. For many weeks of preparation and four weekends of display the department has received numer-ous accolades for their unselfish commitment. Park Service, Programme 6801. Mr. Chai rman, the first programme for the Department of Parks is Park Service, programme 6801, found on page B170 of the Budget Book. The Park Ranger Service, [cost centre] 78000, is responsible for the enforcement of the N ational Parks Act 1986 and the National Parks Regul ations 1988. Park Rangers patrol the National Parks and beaches to inspect and report on the condition, participants, and activities therein. They manage spe-cial functions in the National Parks and liaise with i ndustry partners to maximise the successes of their duties. On an annual basis the Park Ranger Service is involved in numerous community projects including:
Bermuda House of Assembly • charity walks; • cycle riding fund raisers, • CPR, First Aid, and AED Certification courses; • interpretive tours for school groups and camps; and • special scheduled campaign clean- ups and hurricane clean- ups throughout the Island. The Park Ranger Service performed an exceptional service over the Cup Match Holiday weekend when they facilitated smooth traffic flow and une-ventful enjoyment of the activities planned at the Horseshoe Bay Beach and other heavily subscribed areas during the festiv e holiday. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $429,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $469,000 which is an increase of $40,000, or 9 per cent. The number of employees in 2016/17 was eight. The est imate for 2017/18 is seven, which is a decrease of one empl oyee. The Park Ranger Service received an i ncrease of $40,000, or 9 per cent, increase in funding for 2017/18. This budget is used to compensate full - time and seasonal park rangers and to provide the tools and equipment required to perform their duties. The increase in funding will allow the employ of four seasonal park rangers that will supplement the full-time rangers in patrolling the parks and beaches across the Island. The full -time equivalents for the cost centre 78000, page B -172, Park Ranger Servi ce is seven. Once again, this represents a decrease of one full - time equivalent as compared to 2016/17. However, funding has been approved for the recruitment of four seasonal assistant Park Rangers. Lifeguard Service, programme 6802. Mr. Chairman, the next estimate of expenditure for the Department of Parks is the Lifeguard Service, pr ogramme 6802, on page B -170. Responsible for the enforcement of the National Parks Regulations 1988 the Lifeguard Service furnishes four public beaches with lifeguards and pr ovides water safety outreach services to the community. This section also supports the Emergency Measures Organisation (EMO) by advising on the surf condition observances before and after hurricanes and storms. The skilled employee base is an invalua-ble resource in tree felling and clearing roads and other Bermuda Government properties as required. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $547,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $590,000 which is a $43,000 increase, or 8 per cent. The number of employees remains unchanged at 12. The Lifeguard Service estimate for 2017/18 is $43,000, or 8 per cent higher than the 2016/17 original estimate. The coverage of Horseshoe Bay, John Smith’s Bay, Clearwater, and Turtle Cove for Lif eguard Services is paramount for the 2017 summer season, which will be supplemented by the application of overtime to the existing employee base. This rise accounts for the necessary increase in supplies, preparations, and communication to the public and industry partners during the busiest seas on Bermuda has seen in quite some time. Page B -172 indicates that the number of full - time equivalents for the Lifeguard Service is 12, which is equivalent to one Lifeguard Superintendent and 22 trained seasonal lifeguards. This represents no change as compared to fiscal year 2016/17. Consi derably more visitors and residents are anticipated to be swimming at our beaches and the Lifeguard sec-tion will spread the available individuals across the Island to mitigate large gaps in oversight. Park Maintenance, Programme 6803. Mr. Chairman, the Park Maintenance Division, programme 6803, can be seen on page B- 170. The Parks Maintenance division is respons ible for the landscaping requirements of all National Parks, beaches, and schools. This involves hard landscaping development, renovations, maintenance, mowing, pruning, edging, trash removal, tree surgery, and sanitation services. Although the crews under the Park Maint enance programme have been challenged with a dwi ndling employee base, and a decrease in functio ning vehicles, tools, and equipment, they have managed to maintain the beautiful vistas throughout the Island and particularly those along the South Shore. Despite temporary lapses in service, overall the crews have been attentive to the areas that needed immediate remedial action. Major projects to clear invasive and unwanted plants throughout the Island have been completed successfully. The Parks team worked with inmates from the Prison Farm to clear a large area along the coast of invasive plants. These works great-ly enhanced the view of the coast and also opened up more space for camping sites in Ferry Point Park. Trails were cleared throughout the Park with the as-sistance of Fat Tire Massive. In St. George starting at Stokes Point and continuing to Rock y Hill Park exte nsive culling of invasive plant life took place with the help of inmates from the Prison Farm. This work has been lauded by the public as it has greatly improved the view of the bay. Follow -up work will be scheduled to remove any re- growth of unwanted vegetation. Mr. Chairman, partnerships like these allow the team to tackle large projects that would otherwise be extremely challenging to complete in a timely manner. Last year the Schools Crew was led by the S uperintendent on an initiative at Dame Marjorie Bean Hope Academy to implement a horticultural therapy programme in the school. Horticultural therapy is a formal practice that uses plants, horticultural activities, and the garden landscape to promote well- being for its participants. The team received certificates of appreciation from the school for their excellent service. Mr. Chairman, Park maintenance expenditure is as follows. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $7,205,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $7,125,000 1488 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly which is an $80,000 decrease year over year, or 1 per cent. Employees for 2016/17 stood at 109 and employees for 2017/18 will be at 108, which is a de-crease of one person. The Parks Maintenance programme will d ecrease by $80,000, or 1 percent. This cost centre i ncludes the funding for: • Government House and Camden; • Maintenance and Development; • Eastern Parks; • Tree Service; • Western Parks; • School Grounds; • Tulo Valley; • Botanical Gardens; and • The Bermuda Railway Trail. The decrease in budget is attributed to the streamlining of positions, allocating resources more effectively, and partnering with volunteers that have expressed a desire to assist the department. Consid-ering the volume of work that is anticipated for the upcoming year, more general materials, supplies, tools, and equipment will be secured for the busy summer season. Mr. Chairman, the full -time equivalent posts for the cost centres 78015, 78020, 78030, 78035, 78040, 78045, 78055, and 78065 in the Park Maint enance section shown on page B -172 amount to 108. This is a decrease of one funded position to realise savings. Many officers have taken on more duties and responsibilities due to the vacancies in the depar tment. I thank those dedicated individuals and appr eciate their commitment to sharing the sacrifice. Administrati on Division, programme 6804. Mr. Chairman, the Administration Division, programme 6804, on page B -170, is responsible for the day -today operations of managing the Parks team as well as park planning and design and developing manage-ment plans for all national parks. The department endured an abrupt move of the team to various offices in Hamilton, which has created a hurdle for efficiency. Several unexpected shifts in the complement of em-ployees proved to be the most difficult challenge of 2016/17. We are grateful to those individuals in var ious levels that have assumed the responsibilities of the vacant and temporarily unoccupied positions to ensure the continuing function of the department. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $1,252,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $1,411,000 which is an increase of $159,000, or 13 per cent. The number of employees for 2016/17 stood at nine. For 2017/18, the number of employees will be at 11, which is a two- person increase. The budget estimate for Administration, pr ogram me 6804, as seen on page B -170, is $1,411,000. This is an increase of $159,000, or 13 per cent over the 2016/17 original estimate. The department must fill the greatly needed vacant senior technical posts as the void in vital expertise has been highlighted. A greater focus on equipment, supplies, external communications , and security will also contribute to the increase in the budget estimate. The number of full - time equivalents for the Administration and Planning, cost centre 78050, as seen on page B -172, is 11 as opposed to the 2016/17 level of nine. The increase is due to funding for the senior superintendent and the environment educational officer posts. Three posts that were recently vacated must be filled to implement and manage the activities within the department’s r emit. Forts and Historical Sites, programme 6805. Mr. Chairman, the Forts and Historical Sites, 6805, on page B -170, is responsible for the management and interpretation of the cultural resources that exist within the National Parks. This includes the forts and batter-ies as well as lime kilns, museums, and magazines. Mr. Chairman, Fort St. Catherine remains one of the top cultural places of interest in Bermuda. More than 30,000 visitors were welcomed across the bridge for tours, weddings, birthday parties, and corporate events. The inclusion of the East End forts among sites to visit on the Google Maps website was one of the highlights of the year for this section. TripAdvisor posted several recommendations describing the forts as a “must see” when visiting the Island. Fort St. Catherine was also selected by two companies —both local and overseas —for photo shoots to use in their advertisements. Maintaining the forts and historical sites has been a challenge, but with the new funding and new revenue opportunities 2017/18 is expected to be a success. The original estimate for 2016/17 was $412,000. The estimate for 2017/18 is $407,000 which represents a $5,000 [decrease] year over year, or 1 per cent. The number of employees will remain unchanged at five. The budget estimate for the Forts and Histor ical Sites section is $407,000; a decrease of $5,000, or 1 per cent, as compared to the 2016/17 original est imate of $412,000. The full -time equivalents for cost centre 78080 are five employees, which is the same as the 2016/17 fiscal year. Mr. Chairman, when most of us run to the closest air conditioned or warmly heated office, the employees of the Department of Parks are toiling, of-ten in the hottest and coldest weather conditions to provide us with beautiful and safer parks. I take this opportunity to thank the staff for their dedication and service.
HEAD 79 —ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, it now gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 79, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources, found on pages B -175 to B -182 of the Budget Book.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, in April of last year the D epartments of Environmental Protection and Conserv ation Services were formally merged into the Depar tment of Environment and Natural Resources. This consolidation was one of the major recommendations of the SAGE Report relating to the environment. I am pleased to report that while work is ongoing, the consolidation has proven positive, leading to a more c ohesive and coordinated approach to the management of Bermuda’s natural environment.
The Mission
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the Mission of the Department of Environment and Nat ural Resources is: To protect Bermuda’s environment and responsibly manage the sustainable use of its natural resources.
Expenditure Overview
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, the total current expenditure for the department is estimated to be $8,221,000 . . . let me start again, $8,221,432 for 2017/18. This represents an increase of 2.28 per cent compared with the respective budget of 2016/17. Mr. Chairman, the Government is committed to revitalising the local agricultural sector. These ef-forts will be guided by the National Crop and Dairy Strategies. In order to implement these plans and pr ovide adequate services to our farmers, we need ade-quate resources and capacity to successfully imple-ment their main recommendations. The department will look to fill two vacant posts, expanding the Veterinary Services secti on from one veterinary officer to two. Additionally, a new assi stant plant technician will be hired for the Plant Protec-tion Laboratory. These resources will help to provide much needed services for the care of large farm ani-mals, development and implementation of prepare dness plans for disease outbreaks, implementation of a plant disease monitoring and response programme, among other initiatives. Mr. Chairman, the department engages several local entities to undertake special-ised studies. Professional local service contractors and consultants include: • Bermuda Institute for Ocean Sciences (BIOS) for both the Marine Environment Programme for $150,000, and [the] Ambient Air Quality Programme for $200,000; and • Bermuda Zoological Society’s Amphibian R esearch Project for $39,060. These funds allow for specific studies to be undertaken that enable the department to meet its monitoring requirements mandated by the Clean Air Act 1991 and the Water Resources Act 1975.
Capital Development Expenditure Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, as noted on page C -5 of the Budget Book, a Capital Minor Works budget of $400,000 will provide for the general maintenance and upgrading of: • the Headquarters facility and Plant Protection Laboratory located in the Botanical Gar dens; • the Coney Island facility for marine resources management and enforcement; • the Government Agricultural Marketing Centre in Prospect; • the Government Kennels; and • improvements in the 200 acres of Gover nment -owned Natural Reserves. In preparation for its upcoming international accreditation in 2018, $250,000 has been allocated to the Bermuda Aquarium, Museum and Zoo for the r epair to several enclosures within numerous exhibits.
Capital Acquisition Expenditure
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, $19,998 has been allocated for a replacement backup generator at the remote Coney Island facility which houses both the Marine Resource and Marine E nforcement sections. This will provide essential backup power when the main power is disrupted by storms. Manpower. Mr. Chairman, the department has 79 full -time equivalents as shown on page B- 179 of the approved Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. This is technically an increase of four posts in comparison to the 2016/17 budget. However, two of these posts are a result of [the] re- designation of existing posts from part time to full -time equivalents. This was a consequence of the recent departmental merger. As noted previously, in 2017/18 the depar tment will look to fill two vacant posts and hire a new veteri nary officer and assistant plant technician. These two posts will provide critical capacity to the department to allow for the delivery of badly needed services and programmes. The department has 14 [cost centres] as shown on page B -176 in the Budget Book. These are as follows: • 89000— Administration; • 89010— Marine Resources; • 89020— Marine Conservation; • 89030— Marine Heritage and Ocean Human Health; • 89040— Marine Enforcement; • 89050—Terrestrial Conservation; • 89060— Veterinary Services; • 89070— Animal Control; • 89080— Plant Protection; • 89090— Agronomy; • 89100— Pollution Control; • 89110— BAMZ Administration (the Bermuda Aquarium, Museum , and Zoo); • 89120— Aquarium and Zoo; 1490 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly • 89130—Natural History Museum and Library.
Output Measures
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, a complete tabulation of the Output Measures for the D epartment of Environment and Natural Resources can be found on pages B -180 to B -182 of the Budget Book.
Major Achievements
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, I will now briefly describe some of the highlights from this year’s work programme. General Administration, programme 7901. Mr. Chairman, the cost centre 89000, Administration, is noted on page B- 180 of the Budget Book. The Administration section provides financial and human r esource management to the department. It plays a key role in: • collecting revenue from licenc es and permits issued by the department; • oversight of legislation and policy develo pment; • administering Bermuda’s Biodiversity Action Plan; • protected species recovery; • invasive s pecies management; • geographical information system (GIS ma pping); and • m aintenance of the department’s website. Mr. Chairman, there remains a very high level of interest in researching Bermuda’s endangered ani-mals and plants. Twenty protected species licences were issued in 2016. Research topics included: inves-tigating coral gardens; climate change and temper ature impacts on corals; skink surveys; whale fluke identification and videography; and sea turtle ecology. In its continuing efforts to provide informative information to the public the Headquarters’ Biodivers ity section developed an information guide for all spe-cies protected under the Protected Species Act as well as an update to the Indigenous and Invasive Plant Guide. Work continued on the active rec overy of Bermuda’s most endangered plants and animals with: • the focus of translocating a colony of endemic land snails to Nonsuch Island; • a hatching success study on Diamondback Terrapins; • m ark recapture studies on our endemic skink; as well as • satellite tracking of sea turtles. Much of this work was done in partnership and funded by overseas institutions and PhD st udents. Mr. Chairman, a number of invasive plant species continue to have a tremendous impact on Bermuda’s ecology and farming sector. So far t his year the department received, on average, 22 new requests for assistance from the public every month, or 905 in total since the inception of the programme in 2012. As a consequence, the department has now removed nearly 35,000 feral chickens from acros s the Island. While there are infestations that still persist, the department is finding that numbers are dropping significantly. In addition, control plans were developed for crow and feral pigeon —both species being a si gnificant pest to the agricultural industry, with negative impacts to the Island’s ecology. Marine Management, programme 7902. Mr. Chairman, the Marine Management section comprised of four programmes specifically: • Marine Resources; • Marine Enforcement; • Marine Conservation; and • Marine Heritage. Mr. Chairman, [cost centre] 89010, Marine Resources is noted on page B- 180 of the Budget Book. Activities during 2016/17 continued to be gui ded by the 2010 Strategy for the Sustainable Use of Bermuda’s Living Marine Resources. Licensing of commercial and recreational fishers is a core respon-sibility of the Marine Resources section. This fiscal year there were 277 registered commercial fishers, 177 licensed commercial fishing vessels, and 37 sp ecial licen ces for the commercial spiny lobster and guinea chick lobster fisheries. Licenc es were also i ssued to 508 recreational lobster divers and 236 recr eational spear fishers. Numbers in all categories, except special lobster fishery licences, were lower than those from the previous fiscal year. The review of the commercial fishing licensing system was completed this year. In addition, upgrades to the Fisheries database have commenced and will include online statistical reporting capabilities for commercial fishermen as well as recreational spear fishers. This co nvenience is already provided for our recreational lobster divers. Mr. Chairman, another key function of the Marine Resources section is to develop management plans for local fish species. During 2016/17, section staff conducted a gap analysis and gathered data to aid in the redevelopment of management plans for bait fish species and red herring. The management of migratory pelagic fish such as w ahoo, yellowfin tuna, and other tuna species is conducted on a regional basis. These species are a valuable component of Bermuda’s commercial fishery. The Senior Marine Resources Officer participated in meetings of the I nternational Commission for the Conservation of Atlan-tic Tunas (ICCAT) and led negotiations for appropriate quotas and catch limits of these species for Bermuda and the other UKOT of ICCAT. Collaboration with the Sargasso Sea Commission in areas of mutual interest continued.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, work to mitigate the impacts of the invasive l ionfish continued. Two commercial lobster fishermen operated 10 l ionfish specific traps each during the summer with financial assistance from the Bermuda Lionfish Taskforce and Gorham’s Limited. Commercial spiny lobster fishermen also reported l ionfish by -catch from their traps during the lobster season, although reported catches were significantly lower. Furthermore, the section issued permits to an additional 167 individuals wishing to use special spears to cull lionfish. And the Marine Resources O fficer continued collaborations with other institutions aimed at increasing our understanding of the lionfish invasion in Bermuda. A special research permit was issued to the RISE (Robots in Service of the Environ-ment) project team to conduct testing in Bermuda w aters of remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) designed to capture lionfish. This project has started and the r esults are very promising. In addition, a commercial fishing vessel licence and a special research permit were issued to Mr. Darius Martin to fish solely for lio nfish using ROVs. This venture should also be com-mencing soon. Mr. Chairman, the cost centre 89020, Marine Conservation, is noted on page B -182 of the Budget Book. This past year was the tenth year of the Marine Habitat Assessment Programme. The Marine Conser-vation team continued to collect data on coral reefs, sea grass, algal beds , and sand habitats across the Bermuda platform in order to monitor for changes in these marine habitats as well as the water column. This important programme will ensure that the Gov-ernment has a better understanding of changes in habitat; identify key sites for endangered animals such as the sea turtles, and q ueen conch, fisheries organisms and other benthic resources such as sea grass, corals , and sponges that support fisheries and tour industries in Bermuda. The monitoring programme also serves as a mechanism to increase the probability of detecting invasion by non -native marine species, for example, lionfish and green algae. It also provides resource managers with the ability to predict consequences of future environmental and anthr opogenic disturbances which could affect these valuable resources on the Bermuda platform. The Marine Conservation section continued their study on the effects of green turtle grazing on sea grass. The Marine Conservation section in collab-oration with scientists from Florida International Un iversity has submitted a paper titled “Green sea turtles in Bermuda exhibit an autogenic diet shift despite overexploitation of resources in their dev elopmental habitat” to the peer reviewed Journal of Animal Ecol ogy. The study showed that the diets of the smallest green turtles sampled on the Bermuda platform are dominated by animal prey and that as the turtles grow they switch to a diet dominated by sea grass. The large green turtles are not diversifying their diet in r e-sponse to the recent drastic reductions of sea grass communities on the Bermuda platform. The Conservation team is currently undertaking further study of tur-tles and their impact on sea grasses, a habitat that is critical to the development of many of our commercial fish species. Acoustic transmitters were attached to 10 green turtles known to inhabit Bailey’s Bay and 8 acoustic receivers were deployed in the Bay . It is anticipated that the data received will help us to better understand the spatial and temporal characteristics of the movement and foraging patterns of green turtles on Bermuda’s sea grass beds. Mr. Chairman, in 2016 the Marine Conserv ation section reviewed 32 planning applications pertai ning to the marine environment and five dredging appl ications, presenting them to the Marine Resources Board within four weeks of receiving the application. This is a slight increase from last year’s number of 30. Of note were applications relating to the Morgan’s Point Resort and the America’s Cup that demanded significant study and consultation through numerous revisions in order to ensure minimal impact to the m arine environment. Mr. Chairman, in 2016 the Marine Conserv ation section issued 11 of the 26 protected species licenc es for marine research and six p rotected species permits for marine protected species that would be impacted by development in the marine environment, most notably at Morgan’s Point. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89030, Marine Heritage and Ocean Human Health is noted on page B - 182 of the Budget Book. This section is primarily r esponsible for carrying out the mandate of the Historic Wrecks Act 2001, developing and implementing an underwater cultural resources management pr ogramme specifically for ship wrecks and marine heritage sites , and promoting the stewardship of this uniquely Bermudian resource. Our marine heritage continues to capture the imagination of international media, journalists, broadcasters, and production companies adding captivating depth to broad Bermuda features as well as s pecific marine science and ship wreck stories. The National Geographic film entitled Drain the Bermuda Triangle continues to get a great deal of air play internationally, and the “Triangle” theme has a great deal of power to attract film makers and story tellers. A Japanese tel evision team flew to Bermuda to produce a story on the methane science theory of the Bermuda Triangle, and a documentary film titled Bermuda Triangle: The Mis sing Family about a plane disappearance in the 1940s was released featuring the wreckage of a B -29 bom ber on our Western Reef. Mr. Chairman, the department, with financial support from the Stempel Foundation, continued to maintain the protected dive site moorings which allow visiting local and tour boats to tie up with minimal en-vironmental impact in important ecological and histor ical areas. This year the team secured and tested a 1492 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly new hydraulic underwater drill to upgrade the reef pins for many of these ecological moorings that minimises damage that would otherwise be caused by anchors. By the end of the 2016 summer season, 90 dive site moorings (or 90 per cent) had been serviced. The department and the Ministry are most grateful to the Stempel Foundation for its support on this important project. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89040, Marine E nforcement is noted on page B- 181 of the Budget Book. The fisheries wardens continued their efforts to limit illegal fishing practices around Bermuda. In the past year, the wardens conducted 186 land- based inspections and checks at restaurants, food wholesa lers, roadside vendors, the airport, supermarkets, and all areas where fish products are either caught and/or sold. Fisheries wardens spent approximately 2,500 man- hours patrolling the Bermuda platform with a special emphasis on the seasonally protected areas of the West End and East End of the Island. This in-cludes the protected grunts spawning site off of the oil docks. Approximately 450 vessels were stopped and checked with attention to daily bag limits, size, and species restrictions. These included those members of the public engaged in licensed lobster diving and licensed spear fishing. So far this year the Wardens investigated 25 complaints from the general public concerning illegal fishing activities by fishermen both licensed and unlicensed. Fisheries wardens recovered eight illegal fish traps and assisted licensed lobster and guinea chick fishermen in recovering seven lost or stuck traps. Wardens also spent considerable time interacting with Bermuda’s guest worker community in an effort to educate them on our fisheries regulations and best practices. This initiative resulted in a fruitful par tnership with the security personnel on several of the cruise ships that frequent the West End Dockyard ar-ea, resulting in a major clean up and the ef ficient di ssemination of our Fisheries Regulations to the crew. In a related incident, a crew member from one of these cruise ships was charged with fisheries offences and received a fine of $300. Fisheries wardens also issued 15 warnings to persons fishing from both the shore and from vessels for a variety of minor offences. Terrestrial Conservation, programme 7903. Mr. Chairman, [cost centre] 89050, the Terrestrial Conservation section, as noted on page B -182 of the Budget Book, manages the protection and improvement of the Government Nature Reserves, some 200 acres. Activities include clearing invasive plant and animal species, re- establishing native habitats, and building artificial habitats such as Cahow and Longtail burrows. Mr. Chairman, the restoration of Cooper’s I sland Nature Reserve continued with the very active and enthusiastic support of HSBC Bermuda. This year’s efforts have included the continued removal of invasive pests, plant species, and culminated with the planting of additional native and endemic coastal plants at various areas around the Reserve. The for-mer radar tower, now a wildlife watchtower, has b ecome recognised as one of the best places from which to watch the annual whale migration and retur ning Cahows. Mr. Chairman, due to an intensive conserv ation programme I am pleased to note that the popul ation of Bermuda’s unique and endangered national bird, the Cahow, has grown to a new record number of 117 nesting pairs and 56 chicks fledged in 2016. This compares to only 18 nesting pairs with 8 chicks in 1960. Mr. Chairman, on Nonsuch Island work by the Terrestrial Conservation Officer to establish a second Cahow breeding colony in an area safe from hurr icanes continued for a fourth year with the transloc ation of 55 Cahow chicks now translocated to Nonsuch. The first chick from this project has already returned and is now nesting back on Nonsuch. Meanwhile the first Nonsuch breeding colony created by moving chicks to that Island between 2004 and 2008 has now increased to 15 pairs. A video camera installed with the support of Ascendant Group in one of the Non-such nest burrows has been upgraded and provides live viewing of nesting Cahows. Mr. Chairman, highlighting the danger posed by pest species to Bermuda’s national heritage, rats unfort unately re- infested Nonsuch Island. As they pose a real threat to the eggs and young of the C ahows, as well as the seeds of some endangered na-tive plant species, eradication efforts are underway to remove the rats completely from the Island again. Mr. Chai rman, department staff with the assistance of volunteers from HSBC Bermuda and A scendant Group removed over 3,200 Casuarina, Brazil Pepper, and other non- native trees from Nonsuch and Castle Island, completely clearing them from the hi storic fortifications of the King’s Castle Fort and the Landward Fort on Castle Island. In addition, about half of the Devonshire Redoubt Fort was also cleared of damaging Casuarina trees. These efforts were recog-nised with a Bermuda National Trust Preservation Award. Mr. Chai rman, I would like to take a moment to publicly thank HSBC Bermuda and Ascendant Group for all their support in helping us maintain Bermuda’s Nature Reserves. On behalf of the Gover nment I must express my gratitude for their investment in our natural heritage from which we all benefit. An important part of the section’s mission is to also provide environmental and habitat assessment advice to the Department of Planning for all matters related to terrestrial conservation zones. Over the course of the year the section undertook 194 consul-tations on planning applications and environmental impact assessments, scoping reports, conservation management plans, and proposed landscape
Bermuda House of Assembly schemes. While proposed development application numbers remained at the same levels as previous years, the department noted that there was a substantial increase in complexity and oversight in order to mitigate environmental damage to Bermuda’s sens itive areas. Animal Management, programme 7904. Mr. Chairman, the Animal Management section is com-prised of two [cost centres]: 89060, Veterinary Ser-vices; and 89070, Animal Control, as noted on page B-181 of the Budget Book. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89060, Veterinary Services. While the daily matter of imports, exports, and animal welfare consume much of the energies of the officers of the Veterinary Services section, focus on the dairy industry continues to strengthen this portion of Bermuda’s agricultural and Bermuda’s economy. Veterinary Services continued its logistical support of the Dairy Enhancement pr ogramme, the primary goals of which are to: improve efficiencies in production and promote investment; and infrastructure improvements so as to sustain the industry. Other projects of note include a phased updating of numerous pieces of legislation related to the management of animals including the Endangered Animals and Plants Act 2006. The proposed amend-ments will bring our local legislation into full compli-ance with the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna (or CITES treaty). The legislative amendments go beyond the CITES treaty to bring legal force to key resolutions taken by the Conference of the Parties. The effort has been stymied by legalities that would undermine the overall intent of the Act, but the department stands firm in its commitment and role to act locally in the global protection of threatened species. Veterinary Services has also advanced a r estructuring of the rules for the importation of pets into Bermuda. This restructured prot ocol will better align with the recently agreed protocol accepted by Chief Veterinary Officers of CARICOM nations. However, the proposed protocol has not been fully embraced by the local veterinary community and so there remains tweaking to be done. Cabinet will soon receive and outline and recommendation that will encompass views of stakeholders for review. At that time Cabinet will be in a position to render a decision on the new protocol. Mr. Chairman, the Veterinary Services section also has been a vital contributor to the development of a national plan to address the issue of antimicrobial resistance. The growing frequency of resistance by microbes to last line treatments is a major global concern identified by the World Health Organization. In cooperat ion with the Ministry of Health and Seniors and the Bermuda Hospitals Board a national plan is under development, and Veterinary Services section plays a major role in addressing antimicrobial use in the veterinary and agricultural sectors. Mr. Chairman, c ost centre 89070, Animal Control, is noted on page B -181 of the Budget Book. The Animal Control section manages the licensing of dogs and the investigation of dog- related incidents such as: biting or injury to a person or animal; chasing and threatening behaviour; fighting and improper care. It also provides support and assistance to the Berm uda Police Service as required. In 2016/17, the Animal Control section probed 720 overall complaints, a slight increase on the 706 complaints reported in 2015/16. Furth er, the time taken to initially respond to complaints or incidents remained the same with the Wa rden team responding either on the same day or next day depending on the risk to the public. Plant Management, programme 7905. Mr. Chairman, the new Plant Management section is comprised of two programmes namely: the Plant Pr otection Laboratory and the Agronomy section based at the Government Agricultural Service Centre. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89080, Plant Pr otection, is noted on page B -181 of the Budget Book. The Plant Protection Laboratory (PPL) is responsible for regulating the importation of all plant material into Bermuda. Three personnel in this section perform i nspections of all plant material, plant diagnostic ser-vices, pesticide management, pre- inspect ion of crops, and provide technical support to farmers, entrepr eneurs, special interest groups, and the general public. This section protects the environment of Bermuda at the point of introduction of plant material onto our I sland. Mr. Chairman, in fiscal year 2016/17, the Plant Protection Laboratory inspected 1,307,998 plant items.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes. I will repeat that. That is a lot of inspections, right? So the public can understand . . . 1,307,998 plant items, which was a slight decrease from the 1,309,128 imported plant items inspected during the same period in 2015/16. Of these, a total of 285,338 infested plants and fruits were intercepted in 2016/17 compared with 236,831 items intercepted in 2015/16. Mr. C hairman, in 2016/17, 22 per cent, or put another way, out of every five imported plants or fruits inspected, one was found infested with a plant pest or disease. The interception of these international pests speaks to the continuing need for vigilance on t he front line to ensure Bermuda’s protection from pests, which can potentially have dramatic impacts on our Island as has been the case with other island states. Mr. Chairman, [cost centre] 89090, Agronomy. In addition to overseeing crop embargos, the Agr onomy section provides support and extension services to the Island’s farmers including: cold storage of crops 1494 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly and the sale of essential agricultural inputs. The crop subsector of the industry saw an increase in the number of registered part -time farmers f rom 41 to 47, while the number of full -time farmers remained the same at 22. The number of farming operations also increased from 58 to 62. Registered home garden hobbyists showed a small increase from 25 last year to 27 this year. During the year there were over 1,200 customer visits to the centre and the total value of the transactions was $195,000. Transactions include: the purchase of ice, seed, agricultural chemicals, produce boxes, and the rental of refrigerated storage and ba-nana ripening facilities. During the year both ice ma king machines were replaced in order to ensure supply of ice to both our commercial farmers and fishermen. Mr. Chairman, 110 embargos went into effect in a year that reflected a slightly below average per-formance for the crop sector of the agriculture industry compared to previous years. Unfortunately, Hurricane Nicole in October of 2016 caused extensive crop damage resulting in farmers having to replant all their fields. Mr. Chairman, 2016 looked to be a good year for the beekeeping industry. Interest in the plight of our local bees continued to grow along with the number of potential new beekeepers. As in 2015 the num-ber of hives increased due to the many swarms cap-tured in the spring and fall of 2016. Unfortunately for the industry, Hurricane Nicole hit Bermuda just at the peak of the fall honey flow, resulting in most nectar producing trees and plants being destroyed or damaged by the high winds and salt spray. This resulted in lower than average yields. The 2016 honey produc tion value was approximately $36,000. Mr. Chairman, the department continues to monitor the progress of the Varroa sensitive— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Varroa, thank you, Honourable Member, that is a tongue twister. —Varroa sensitive hygienic (VSH) queen bees that were imported in July of 2016. It is antic ipated that the spread of these new queens and daughter queens around the Island will lessen the n ative impacts of the Varroa mite and help reduce the losses to our beehives . Pollution Control, programme 7906. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89100, Pollution Control, as noted on pages B- 180 and B -181 of the Budget Book, is responsible for: monitoring ambient air; licensing a range of facilities that can pollute the air; and man-agement of Bermuda’s groundwater resource. Under the Clean Air Act 1991 a total of 53 new and 457 reissued operating licences plus 26 co nstruction permits for control plants were presented to the Environmental Authority and issued over the ca lendar year of 2015. A further 79 operating licences are pending reissue. Under the Water Resources Act 1975 this programme currently has 3,571 active water rights for extraction values and disposal bore holes including 32 new water rights for 2016. Currently, 249 water rights are with debt collection and 281 are pending reissue. Thirty -four stakeholder consultee responses were provided by the Pollution Control section to the D epartment of Planning for a range of developments i ncluding: America’s Cup Team Bases; Morgan’s Point Resort; St. Regis development; Surfside development; America’s Cup Event Village; the new airport PTB; in addition to many smaller developments and pre-consultative meetings. Mr. Chairman, further to Cabinet accepting the Cabinet Memorandum for the proposed amendments to the Clean Air Act in September 2013, public consultation of the directly affected licensees has been completed for 96 control plants with a further 41 licensees to be completed over 2017. The amendments include restructuring of the fee schedule to align it with the perceived environmental risk and regulatory resource effort. Environmental performance criteria will also be used to reduce the licence fee for over-performing facilities while increasing the licence fee for under -performi ng facilities. This process is designed to both encourage and reward improved env ironmental stewardship. Following this public consult ation detailed drafting instructions will be developed. Mr. Chairman, further to a Ministerial Stat ement provided in June 2016 that highlighted the need for improved sewage management practices for ow ners of recreational boats, “no sewage discharge zones” have been developed and promulgated in a brochure under the Waste Resources Act 1975. Regu lations under the Act are also progressing via negative resolution. Mr. Chairman, following consultation and stakeholder meetings with the HVAC industry working group to the Pollution Control section, [they] imple-mented a refrigerant handling permitting process in 2015 that included training and testing at Bermuda College. This process is necessary to ensure that Bermuda meets its obligations under the Montreal Protocol 1976. To date, a total of 143 refrigerant ha ndlers have been trained, tested, and permitted since 2015. Mr. Chairman, the Marine Environment Pr ogramme, contracted to the Bermuda Institute of Ocean Sciences, monitored and modelled the effect of the nutrient flux from the groundwater to the native shore marine environment. The focus of the study was to inform a sewage management strategy of the Mi nistry of Public Works’ Waste Water section with r espect to planning in the longer term for the provision of sewer mains in the more densely populated parts of Bermuda. Bermuda needs to be mindful that the use of cesspits in some areas could over decades in the future lead to the near shore environment changing
Bermuda House of Assembly from a predominantly blue to an algae- dominated green environment. The Air Quality programme contracted to B IOS monitors the air we breathe to the requirements of the Clean Air Regulations 1993. These regulations provide for the safe breathing limits of outside air. Over 2016 there were a total of four exceedances of the 24- hour limit for fine particulate matter (PM- 10). These were reported at the East Broadway monitoring station where there were two exceedances due to vehicle emissions and also, surprisingly, at the BIOS control site where there were two exceedances. The annual average concentration of fine particulate matter was highest at 29.8 micrograms per cubic metre at East Broadway, which was just within the annual limit stipulated in the Regulations of 30.0 micrograms per cubic metre. Mr. Chairman, the Amphibian Research Pr ogramme contracted to the Bermuda Zoological Soci ety (BZS) has shown that the pollutants derived from vehicle soot is washed from road surfaces and col-lects in roadside soakaways at concentrations that suggest the sediment should be treated with caution. These pollutants linked to poor quality vehicle emissions have been shown to cause deformities and di seases in toads, killifish, and terrapin species in many ponds. The risk also exists where road runoff drains into fields used for agriculture. Certain pollutants known as Poly -Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) have been shown to be present at concentrations that e xceed the recommended level for residential zoned and also commercial industrial zoned land. The BIOS air quality data coupled with the pollutants monitored by BZS in Bermuda’s ponds further highlights the need to enact vehicle emission standards. Mr. Chairman, a grant from HSBC International to BZS is focused on remediating pollutants that have already entered Cloverdale Pond and other ponds, and provides added gearing to the Gover nment -sponsored part of the programme that is primar ily focused on addressing the input sources and the routes of the pollutants. Mr. Chairman, the Pollution Control pr ogramme can report that it completed a study assessing the environmental risk and health risk to the public and to the roadside pesticide applicator em-ployee of the Ministry of Public Works’ Roadside Weed Control programme. Levels of the herbicide glyphosate in groundwater, pond water, and potable water were at least an order of magnitude lower than the most stringent drinking water standard that is sti pulated in the EU/UK. Levels of glyphosate inhaled by the MPW pesticide applicator were considered to represent the highest exposure over a working day compared to the roadside exposure of any members of the public. This exposure level was shown to be well wit hin the most stringent inhalation and daily ingestion limits that are stipulated by the World Health Organi-zation and also in Europe. It is acknowledged that there are many peer review publications that suggest that glyphosate may be more toxic at lower concentration chronic levels than previously believed. These studies have yet to cause any tightening of the legislated inhalation inges-tion limits or lowering of the recommended limits stipu-lated by the World Health Organization. The depar tment will continue to monitor for any changes to the most stringent limits set in other jurisdictions. Bermuda Aquarium, Museum , and Zoo, pr ogramme 7906. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89110, BAMZ Administration; and 89120, Aquarium and Zoo are noted on page B- 182 of the Budget Book. These manage and operate the animal and fish exhibits of the Bermuda Aquarium and Zoo. This year has been one of significant progress. Following the successful renovations of the Aquarium roof, hall, and new exhibit panels, work was undertaken to r efresh the front entrance of the facility in January of 2016. The Bermuda Zoological Society partnered with Fidelity International and the Bermuda Gover nment to finance a brand- new entrance foyer and two new gift shops. Work was completed in time for the new tourist season in May of 2016. The improved look and modern interior feel has proved popular and pr ovides a much better first impression by visitors. BAMZ continues to receive excellent visitor reviews on online rating websites such as TripAdvisor.com and remains one of the top attractions for tourists. Mr. Chairman, the Bermuda Zoological Soci ety in combination with the Bermuda Aquarium, Mus eum, and Zoo continues to strongly support schools throughout the Island with conservation and science education classes tied to the Cambridge Curriculum. A new record of over 7,100 student experiences were provided last year in the facility, on Trunk Island, and on the floating classroom, RV Endurance. Mr. Chairman, Hurricane Nicole in October 2016 did significant damage to the foreshore at the Bermuda Aquarium, Museum, and Zoo with erosion threatening buildings in the facility. Despite the damage, the areas were secured for the general public and the facility was open at 9:00 am the morning after the hurricane. However, significant foreshore remedi ation is needed and has been planned for the coming year to prevent further and costly damage in future storms. Mr. Chairman, cost centre 89130, Bermuda Natural History Museum and Library, as noted on page B -182 of the Budg et Book, continued its i mportant work as the repository of Bermuda’s flora and fauna collections, and as Bermuda’s only science l ibrary which now holds over 3,000 research papers specifically on Bermuda’s environment. It also contin-ued to provide oversight of the Bermuda Zoological Society’s research and education programmes, which served a record 7,000 students last year. These exci ting education programmes instil environmental r e1496 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly search into our schools’ science curricula. This year’s focus has been the completion of the graphic displays for the renovated Aquarium Hall and support for the Nekton project which generated over 200 specimens from our deep reefs last summer.
Plans for the Upcoming Year
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Mr. Chairman, Headquarters w ill continue its efforts to improve efficiencies to the department’s processes and procedures, and expand its provision of advice and information to the public. For example, the department will look to develop online dog licences. The department website will be expanded to host useful information under numerous subjects within its portfolio, ranging from agr iculture, fisheries, marine heritage, pollution control, and dog matters. The department will reinstitute the production of an annual report as a useful means of summarising the diverse work that is undertaken dur-ing the year. These reports will be held in our Natural History Library located at the Bermuda Aquarium, Mu-seum, and Zoo, as well as the department’s website. Mr. Chairman, the newly combined Veterinary Services and Animal Service section will focus on the amendment of the Dogs Act 2008 and Endangered Plants and Animals Act to conform to international obligations of the Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species. Animal Management will continue to include itself in matters involving public health that bear some connection, directly or indirec tly, to animals. These issues could range from the quality and safety of our food supply, for example, milk quality, to such risk factors as bird flu. This co llaboration between Veterinary Services and the D epartment of Health strengthens the concept of “One Health.” The section will complete its review of the conditions of entry for dogs and cats out of the United Kingdom and EU countries for conditions consistent with CARICOM partner countries, prohibited breeds, powers, and related regulations. Mr. Chairman, the Marine Management section will focus its efforts on developing strategies to better manage marine offences, waste management, and the critical bait fishery. The review of the com-mercial licensing system, delayed for the past two years, will also be a priority for the coming fiscal year. High priority will continue to be given to finding effective solutions for lionfish control and the public are invited to enjoy in these efforts as cullers. Recognising a pressing need the department will develop a marine resources enforcement strategy that will look at ways and means to more effectively minimise abuse of our marine resources and protec ted habitats. This strategy will take in our coastal w aters through to the outer edges of our EEZ. This will be developed in partnership with other agencies and stakeholders. Mr. Chairman, a major focus of the Ministry of the Environment and the Department of the Environ-ment and Natural Resources will be the revitalisation of the local agriculture and encourage the home grow-ing of fruits and vegetables through the implement ation of Phase 1 of the National Crop Strategy and A ction Plan. Some notable projects will include: the i mprovement of the Island’s agriculture infrastructure, including cold storage of crops, ice provision, and ba-nana ripening; and also a monitoring programme for plant pests as a means of quick detection and rapid response to end emerging problems. Strategies will continue to be developed to assist with our declining local bee population and to help facilitate the import ation of new varieties of beneficial crops. Mr. Chairman, the department will continue to ensure the environmental assessments and monitoring programme for proposed development to Gov-ernment is undertaken as a priority on matters relating to Bermuda’s important terrestrial and marine heritage protected areas. The Terrestrial Conservation section will assist the Department of Planning to undertake its r eview of the Bermuda Plan through a review of conservation protected areas, [and] continue restoration efforts of sensitive habitats. Mr. Chairman, the Bermuda Aquarium, Mus eum, and Zoo will continue its efforts to improve its infrastructure and prepare for re- accreditation with the Association of Zoos and Aquariums in 2018. Work will be completed to numerous exhibits to ensure the safety of the animals and enhance the enjoyment of our visitors to the facility. The Pollution Control section will implement new regulations under the Water Resources Act 1975 to address sewage discharge from recreational boats and to create “no sewage discharge zones.” Mr. Chairman, the completion of the large stakeholder consultation of licensees of Control Plants under the Clean Air Act 1991 is expected to be com-pleted in 2017. This process has helped to inform the conditions for the operator licences that the various industries will strive to meet as part of the perfor-mance measures that are proposed to be put in place as part of the amendments to this Act. Mr. Chairman, the department with other ministries is expected to complete the stakeholder pr ocess of informing the public and industry of the risks associated with the use of the glyphosate herbicide as part of the recent technical study. The department will provide all of the necessary information to make an informed decision on whether to uphold the import ation suspension of glyphosate concentrate greater than 2 per cent. The department will also provide a list of recommendations necessary before any import ation suspension is lifted. Mr. Chairman, I now conclude my present ation for Head 50, Head 32, Head 68, and Head 79 for the Ministry of the Environment.
Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you, Hono urable Minister. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to these Heads? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from 13, Mr. Rabain. You have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the Minister for that comprehens ive brief that we were given. It leaves little wiggle room over here, but I will endeavour. Mr. Chairman, when I am talking about Head 50, the Ministry Headquarters, it is a curious thing. This was a new …
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the Minister for that comprehens ive brief that we were given. It leaves little wiggle room over here, but I will endeavour. Mr. Chairman, when I am talking about Head 50, the Ministry Headquarters, it is a curious thing. This was a new Ministry formed in May 2016 as the Minister did talk about. It was the amalgamation of moving Planning, from the Ministry of Home Affairs, Parks from the Ministry of Works, and Environment and Natural Resources from the Ministry of Health. But what struck me then, and still strikes me now, is that in this period of austerity that we hear from the One Bermuda Alliance that we should be cutting back on expenses, et cetera, the creation of this Ministry, by my calculation, has cost an extra fee of $2.5 million per year to the taxpayer. So when I think about that and try and wrap my head [around] the purpose of creating this new Ministry . . . because when I go back to the now dust - collecting SAGE Report that was submitted with much fanfare by this Government back in October 2013, there was a recommendation. And one of those rec-ommendations of the SAGE Report was to reduce the ministries from (then) 12 to 8 ministries. Notwithstan ding that one of those ministries happened to be . . . one of those proposed ministries happened to be the Ministry of Environment. But the Ministry of Enviro nment was not to be a Ministry that was made up out of departments that were in other ministries; it was a ministry that was supposed to take or combine two other ministries and put it all into one. So, we look at that and we think about the austerity measures and how we are told we don’ t have money , or as my Leader will point out we don’t have Wi -Fi in schools and the like, under this current Premier we went from January 2014 where we had 9 ministries to March 2017 where we have 12 ministries . . . March 2017 where we now have 12 ministries . . . 9 to 12. Now, some of us will wonder why that is the case. Some will theorise that it is a power consolid ation play in order to bring friends into Cabinet to solid ify someone’s position. So if that is the case, are we truly seeing the needs of the country being trumped by the desires of the party? Now I listened to the brief and, as the Minister said, this is a new Ministry so there is really nothing to compare it to previously, the Ministry Headquarters. But one thing was missing. This is the Ministry of E nvironment and not once did we hear in the brief an ything about recycling and sustainable development. Why have we not heard that? Because the brainchild of sustainable development has all of a sudden disappeared from this Government altogether, it does not exist anymore. So if we are talking about a Ministry that is supposed to be about the environment and about sustainability, what happened to, what hap-pened to sustainability? What happened to recycl ables and those sorts of things? But then that speaks to a SAGE Report where the Ministry of Works should have been coming under the Ministry . . . the Ministry of Works should have been turned into a department that came under the Ministry of Environment because Works handles rec ycling at the moment. But you would think it was som ething that would be moved to this department, this Ministry anyway. Now, we created this Ministry. We created one post, and that is the PS, $180,000 something, I belie ve was the salary there. We have now created a budget for travel. We have created a budget for pr ofessional services and the like. But an interesting thing came out of the brief when the Minister said —and I quote from the brief, and it is page 9 of the Ministry Headquarters —he said, “golf courses have been consistently underfunded for the last five years .” Now, Mr. Chairman, who has been the Go vernment for the last four and a half? And it is quite easy . . . and that kind of stood out to me because when I went back and looked at the Budget Books from previous years the last full PLP budget, golf courses got $1.8 million. They were not underfunded then, if you read through the statement, but somehow that budget got nipped at, nipped at, nipped at and they end ed up at $750,000, a whole million dollars less. But now we have a brief from the Minister saying that golf courses have been wholly underfunded—consistently underfunded for five years. Yet we see where the underfunding came from. We have crept back up to $950,000 as shown on page C -18 of the Budget Book, line 7092. But I just found it very curious that the Minister would point that out when talking about his very own Ministry and his own Go vernment at the time. So . . . And I have had conversations about the golf courses and, yes, we know that there needs to be some ideas put there to make them a bit more, make them more profitable, especially when we are talking about Ocean View. But as the brief stated, some things just require funding, and funding is not som ething that seems to be a priority when it comes to things like this. And, again, Wi -Fi in schools. Now, as I said, this Ministry is brand new, there is really nothing else to compare it to. I just wanted to reiterate that it has been formed out of nowhere and it is costing us an additional . . . around $2.2 million. And I just do not understand what just ifies the expense of creating this Ministry. Perhaps the Minister could delve into that question for me. 1498 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Now moving on to Head 32, the Department of Planning, we have seen steady improvements in the Department of Planning as the years have gone by. We certainly have. And this is an example of what can happen when, instead of just wholesale budget cuts across the board, you actually just take an eval uation of a department and figure out how to make it run more efficiently. Everything that has been put in place in the Department of Planning, which I remind you started just prior to . . . just early 2012 and it has continued, has led to an improved service delivery. Now this is a department that I am intimately familiar with. I am happy to say I interact with this department literally on a daily basis when it comes to my other life—and in full disclosure I am considered an Agent of the Department of Planning where I submit plans and deal with issues that happen up there. And so I do want to take my hat off to the Department of Planning, especially the current Director, but I believe she is somewhere else working as a . . . I think acting as a PS, Aideen Ratteray Pryse, and the current Ac ting Director Larry Williams. So my hat goes off to those two. Put in place was a much more robust vetting system and this vetting system, as mentioned by the brief, was put in place to ensure that applications that come up to the Department of Planning are better. . . not better, but fulfil the requirements and that you do not have, you are not going back and forth with asking agents for additional information and the like. So before the applications get into the system, they are vetted very properly to make sure they have all of the good information that they need. But when I look at page B -168 in the Budget Book and we talk about the percentage of applications determined within 12 weeks, there . . . while there has been a steady increase from a few years ago, it seems to have plateaued out at 75 per cent and it has remained that way for last year, with the prediction that it will remain the same this year as well. Despite what was said in the brief, there is a need for a few more employees in that department. I know the brief talked about the challenges we have with the inspections and forward planning, but the front office staff is taking a beating as well and they are critical because they are the first people that peo-ple see when they go into the Department of Planning. And it is not . . . and far too often you go up there and there are people lacking or people are not there because, you know, the regular things that happen on a job, people are out sick, people are on vacation. And you know it is extremely frustrating to have something that depends on, you know, a speedy resolution only to hear, Well, this person is on vacation so no one’s going to look at it for the two weeks they’re gone, and that sort of thing. As I have m entioned on numerous occasions, unfortunately, I did not get a chance to mention it last year, but when I sat in another place I mentioned it every single year, the performance measures within the book need to list the total amount of planning ap-plications . We hear time and time again, we’re doing wonderful, there are more applications than ever. There are more building permits issued than ever, but we never get numbers. So we are just told that is what it is, but we never get the numbers. And where the translation does not occur is in the performance . . . in the revenue figures where, year after year, we hear the Minister (or whoever is in charge, the Minister at the time) stand up and say, This year was a bumper crop. We’ve had more planning applications. We’ve had more building applications. But the revenue stays the same. Only this year was the first year that I have seen this Budget Book since I have had time to co mment on it that predicted revenues will go up for buil ding permits. But again, revenues for planning applic ations will remain the same, which is interesting, which is really interesting that you can say, We plan to have more applications, but we don’t plan to get more rev enue from those applications. Again, I want to reiterate that, you know, the front office staff really does need some people there. They have lost some people over the years through departure, through retirement, and they just have not been replaced. Again, the Minister mentioned it in the brief, tons of positions and challenges that the de-partment has simply because the manpower is not there, so if we could get some way to move on with that. I am very happy that the Minister spoke to his brief; I did have it in my notes, located on page C -11 of the Budget Book where there is an additional $360,000 allocated. And at that time I assumed it was the replacement of BEMIS, and we have now got confirmation that it will replace the BEMIS system. The BEMIS system has outlived its life by maybe six or seven years and I will tell you why we say six or seven years. The BEMIS system has an ability for you to — which was very useful when it came out —to go online, using the mapping system, and look up various appl ications and such. You cannot use the mapping sy stem if your computer runs anything more advanced than Windows XP, which . . . I do not know if any of us are techies up here, but Windows XP expired . . . end of life, maybe eight years ago. So if you can find a computer with Windows XP you are good, you can get on this system and you can speed through and find all the stuff you need, but as it stands now it is almost a useless system.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainBut as it stands now, it is almost a useless sy stem. We have talked about the ability to submit plans, to submit revisions digitally for years now —for years, even stretching back to the previous administration. I , for one, am very happy to see that we are finally …
But as it stands now, it is almost a useless sy stem. We have talked about the ability to submit plans, to submit revisions digitally for years now —for years, even stretching back to the previous administration. I , for one, am very happy to see that we are finally moving toward that because it is going to r eBermuda House of Assembly duce so much . . . in an office that absolutely kills forests of trees. And in an earlier debate we heard you talk about (not to reflect on an earlier debate) trees being killed for applications in immigration. You should see the amount of trees that are killed up here. All right? Think about it. You are su bmitting a set of . . . I can recall an application I submitted that was 36 RGD sheets, which is 24x36. You have to submit five copies of that. So, you have five copies of 36 sheets going up to the Department of Planning and they only use one to review. I do not know what they do with the rest of them, but they only use one up there. And, increasingly, as you have been dealing with agents, they call you back and say, Please send a digital copy so I can just review this online on my computer, so I don’t have to worry about having this big roll of paper. And that is what we have been dea ling with for close to the last three, four years. They request it and we send it. And it is so much easier to do that. So, I am happy that we are finally moving that because it is a big inconvenience right now with the website, and the inability to look up and be proactive and find things you want. Even for the layman who wants to go and say, What is the zoning of my property. Are there any special things that I need to worry about within my propert y? So, now, they have got to go and find somebody, hire a professional, just to go do that job when it should be something that you should be able to do yourself online. The Minister mentioned about Planning law changes that are going to be coming with the e nforcement section. Again, changes that I welcome, if they are going to be what we anticipate them to be. We have heard about these changes now for close to four years. One of them that we talked about in the enforcement is the ability to find not just the owner of the property, but the contractor, because we have so many unscrupulous contractors who show up and say, Sure I can do the work for you. The owner is not cognisant of what needs to go on with the Department of Planning, but who gets the fallout from that? The owner. The contractors get off scot -free. They have been paying the work, and now the owner is left to clean up the pieces. So, I hope that this legislation, as we have been told by the former Minister (I think it has been about four [Ministers] since then, but the second Mi nister, not the first one) who said that this would be coming, and so it was greatly hoped for that it would be coming. One thing I would have hoped that I would have seen with the Department of Planning is the abi lity for changes to be done by negative resolution because the way the world works now, technology is changing, technology is advancing, things are done much faster. What we are finding as we build Berm uda more and more and more is that we are coming across mor e unique situations that require the flexibi l-ity for the department to say, Hey, we’ve got to do something because we are seeing more and more of this. It does not work that fast. And so what you end up with is a costly procedure of making the application and, literally, this is how it works. You apply to the Department of Planning and you call and say, Hey, this doesn’t fit any of the parameters you have. I need you to refuse it so I can take it to appeal. When in the very essence, it is something quite simple that could be solved if we had a more flexible system that allowed the director, or someone else, or the Minister, to implement rules that can cover that situation. It is done in some cases, but in other cases they are loath to do it. I go back to w hen we had those two back -toback hurricanes. Someone (and I believe it was the Minister) said, We are not going to go through the normal process because we need to open up slate to the Island. And that was fast -tracked and we had about four slate productions open up within a week — like that! That is the type of thing I am talking about. We need to be more flexible like that. But what if we had to wait? What if the department had made the decision and said, Well, the process is this needs to through 12 weeks . We would have roofs uncovered for 12 weeks. So this is what I am talking about when I say more flexibility within the law in allowing the Minis-ter to make more . . . well, not the Minister, but the director, to make decisions much quicker than how they a re now. We are talking about an Act that has been around forever. When you look at this Act, you try and figure out, What is going on here? Now, I heard the Minister in his brief talk about (from page C -18) the Heritage Fund, and that there has been a grant of $10,000 to the Heritage Fund. The question I have for the Minister is this: How many interest -free loans have taken advantage of this Heritage Fund in the last year, the year before that, or whatever? Because it is very seldom that you hear . . . and most people I know from my . . . most people in my field know that sometimes it is such a cumbersome process that they just do not even bother. They just do not even bother to do it. I would just be curious to know how many interest -free loans, or how man y people have applied for these interest -free loans and been approved for this Heritage Fund to make any sense. Now, moving on to Parks, Head 68, which is located on pages B -168 to B -174, and we also see some bits and pieces on pages C -5 and C -11. As menti oned, this is a very important department. It is a very important department in keeping our Island’s parks, the Railway trails, our forts, our gardens, and all of that, as beautiful as they are. And hats off to these hard- working men and women that are in this department. As the Minister said, they are often out there at the height of the sun, in the middle of the summer, sweating and toiling away, making our Island 1500 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly look beautiful. But this department is not without its challenges. A question to the Minister. I was surprised it was not mentioned in the brief that the director, superintendent, and parks officer have been suspended for over a year now, with pay. And they seem to be no closer to a resolution of this than we were a year ago. So, I was just wondering what is going on with those three, who still remain out on suspension? Will we see a conclusion to that? Because I am sure they would like to know what they are going to be doing. And moving on with, you know, getting . . . from the ones I do speak to, they are anxious to get back to their jobs. And these are long- serving employees who have worked for the Department of Parks for a long time. So, you know, I am thinking they deserve a little better treatment than to just be left spitting into the wind wondering what is going to happen with their situ ations. Now, when I looked at the Railway Trail, on page B -170, [cost centre] 78100, we see that last year $425,000 was budgeted, but only $80,000 was used. Eighty thousand dollars were used for our Railway Trail. And if any of you have walked the Railway trails of last year, you will know that they are ridiculously overgrown and in need of some serious help. I know that last year the department was supposed to put out an RFP to have these things cleaned and I think that is why the budget was so big, but for whatever re ason, it never happened. It never went forward. My question is, Where did the balance of that money go? Was it spent on anything or was it not spent on an ything? You are talking about over $300,000, around $350,000. Where did it go? What was it spent on if it was not used on railway trails? Now, I see that this year $320,000 has been allocated, which is some $105,000 less from last year. As the Minister pointed out, and as I know, there has been a tender process that has been put forward. I would just like to know if it has been awarded, be-cause I know the closure was sometime in January. But it was for, and I list interim landscape maint enance service for selected portions of the Railway Trail. So if this contract was only for selected portions, what is going on with the rest of it? I find it odd that the BTA has come out with the new moniker, “Rail Trail,” something I completely disagree with. It is the Railway Trail. But anyway, BTA has come out with the Rail Trail—
[Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThe former Minister came up with that? Okay. Well, we can thank the former Minister.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNo, no, no, no, no, no.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainBut we have come up with this new policy and this new initiative to promote the Railway Trail, you know, as a tourism feature—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThe Rail Trail.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain—the Rail Trail as a tourism feature, but we have cut the budget. And we have al-so tendered out a project that says, for selected portions of the railway trail. So I am just wondering, what selected portions are we talking about and what is going to happen with the …
—the Rail Trail as a tourism feature, but we have cut the budget. And we have al-so tendered out a project that says, for selected portions of the railway trail. So I am just wondering, what selected portions are we talking about and what is going to happen with the rest of it. Has there been any discussion between this Ministry and BTA when it comes to the Railway Trail initiative that they have come up with?
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainNow, when I turn to page B - 170, [cost centre] 78055, and we are talking about Tulo Valley. Now, Tulo Valley, again, was one of those apartments that was funded but the money was not spent. It was funded last year, $526,000, and only spent $367,000. This year the …
Now, when I turn to page B - 170, [cost centre] 78055, and we are talking about Tulo Valley. Now, Tulo Valley, again, was one of those apartments that was funded but the money was not spent. It was funded last year, $526,000, and only spent $367,000. This year the funding went down to $436,000, some $90,000 less. Now, when I look at the performance measures for this, and the addendum, I must say, this et cetera that we were given, has the wrong page number on it, and I am not sure which one to follow. I will yield for clarification. Are we using this one or are we using the [Budget] Book?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberUse that one.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainWe use this one? This one actually has almost no information in it that the [Budg-et] Book has. Just about every category has “N/A” [not applicable] . So I am not sure what is going on there. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainEverything has been ca ncelled out to say “N/A” . . . even previous years say “N/A.” So, I was wondering, how can we not know what happened in previous years? But when we look at the performance measures, and I just wonder, Well, what happened here? because Tulo Valley …
Everything has been ca ncelled out to say “N/A” . . . even previous years say “N/A.” So, I was wondering, how can we not know what happened in previous years? But when we look at the performance measures, and I just wonder, Well, what happened here? because Tulo Valley is supposed to be Government’s main producer of bedding plants and potted plants for government to use. From my understanding, instead of going to Tulo Valley, we are now buying from the private sector.
Some Hon. Member s: Really?
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain: So, I am just curious, what is going on from there? Why are we leaning—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWho said anything is wrong?
Mr. Diallo V.
S. RabainWhat? Am I . . . okay. Well, the Minister can answer that when he stands up. So, I would like to know what is going on with the failing to rely on Tulo Valley. And the former Minis - ter says that the . . . (my reliance is …
What? Am I . . . okay. Well, the Minister can answer that when he stands up. So, I would like to know what is going on with the failing to rely on Tulo Valley. And the former Minis - ter says that the . . . (my reliance is wrong) but when I look at the business unit on page B -174 for Tulo Valley, I mean, I look at what you have given us and everything is “N/A”. So, I cannot say whether you are going to produce more or less than what you did last year. My sources tell me that you are going to pr oduce less. You have reduced the budget, so why would you produce more? [Inaudible i nterjections]
Mr. Diallo V
. S. RabainAnd why isn’t it applicable? Why don’t we have target outcomes? The Minister talked in his brief about all of these wonderful pl antings that are going to be taking place, et cetera, so you should have some idea of what we plan to pr oduce out of Tulo Valley. …
Mr. Diallo V.
S. RabainBecause when I look at Tulo Valley, I wonder, you know, here is a place where . . . they do propagation, they do growing and stuff. This could be a perfect learning tool for people who are interested in this sort of field that could be done through Government. …
Because when I look at Tulo Valley, I wonder, you know, here is a place where . . . they do propagation, they do growing and stuff. This could be a perfect learning tool for people who are interested in this sort of field that could be done through Government. My question would be, How many people are we training at this facility? And another question, Is this Ministry working with the D epartment of Workforce Development to develop any sort of internships or apprenticeships to work at this? [Crosstal k]
Mr. Diallo V. S
. RabainI do not know if anyone is listening; I hope I can get some answers to those questions. Why not use the centre for training and to boost productions rather than a decrease? [Crosstal k]
Mr. Diallo V. S
. RabainOnce again, a decrease in funding is noted for Botanical Gardens, page B- 170, [cost centre] 78065, by some $65,000. But when we look at the performance measures, they go up. This I just do not understand. We expect more tourists, we expect more plants to be planted but we …
Once again, a decrease in funding is noted for Botanical Gardens, page B- 170, [cost centre] 78065, by some $65,000. But when we look at the performance measures, they go up. This I just do not understand. We expect more tourists, we expect more plants to be planted but we are reducing the budget. I just do not understand it and I would love some clarification for that. [Crosstal k] Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Now, now, now. [Inaudible i nterjection]
Mr. Diallo
V. S. RabainB-170, 78030. We are ref erring to Eastern Parks at this time. I do not know about you, but I know the previous Minister and the current Minister do not live in the east. [Inaudible i nterjections]
Mr. Diallo
V. S. RabainThat is not east, that is central. You will notice tha t the parks in the east . . . you know, I live right next to Shelly Bay Park, and I walk through there. I run through there. It is always overgrown. The trash cans [are] overflowing, and all …
Mr. Diallo
V. S. RabainAnd [this was] confirmed by the Minister’s brief, where he said that there is a cha llenge in keeping the parks clean and emptying the garbage cans and stuff. I reiterate that the parks have been in dismal condition over the last year or so. Garbage cans overflowing, this can …
And [this was] confirmed by the Minister’s brief, where he said that there is a cha llenge in keeping the parks clean and emptying the garbage cans and stuff. I reiterate that the parks have been in dismal condition over the last year or so. Garbage cans overflowing, this can lead to increase in rodents, increase in feral cats, pests, chickens, and all the like. And we see it, every time I walk through Shelly Bay. If you are riding your horses there, there are enough chickens there to chase you away if you are not too careful. And so, one question, Although there is a slight decrease in this budget, the Minister said in his brief that there is only a one- person team that is charged with cleaning bathrooms and the like. My question is, What happened to the second person on that team? It used to be a two- person team. So I am wondering, what happened to that second person? So, although we have increased the budget for Eastern Parks, when we look at performance measures on page B- 173, business unit 78030, ever ything is lower. So, I do not understand, we have other departments where we are decreasing the budget but we expect more production. And we have this de-partment where we are increasing the budget, but we expect less. Another question, another thing that makes you scratch your head and makes you go, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm. Now, again with the Western . . . and I will not belay the point, but with the Western Parks, again, located on page B -173. The budget goes up. But this time at least the performance stayed the 1502 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly same. So we are paying more for the same amount of work. Now, here is something that I was hoping I would hear from the Minister in his brief. Snuck in there on page B -170, line item 78065, is $65,000 for the Annual Exhibition. We have a budget of zero for the year, but we found $65,000. Perhaps that is where the unspent Tulo Valley money went. Perhaps that is where the Railway Trail, or Rail Trail, unspent money went. But we were assured last year in this Honour able House that there would be no cost of the exhibition to the Government of Bermuda. But here we are. We see $65,000. So the question would be, What did we pay for? The specific question that was asked was, Would the private limited liability company that runs the exhi-bition have to pay for the use of park staff that had to work on that day? Would they pay for the use of the policemen that had to work on that day? And we were told no . . . No, I am sorry, we were told, yes, they would. We would not be paying for them. But we an expense of $65,000 here, and I am just wondering where that $65,000 [went]. Because we look at the line item for the exhibition for this year and it is zero again. So will we be coming back next year seeing something mysteriously pop up there? Now, the Minister’s brief listed 11 funded, unfilled industrial positions and 6 funded civil posts. But just all throughout the brief, he talked about in this department, You can’t get this done because you don’t have the people. You can’t get this done because we don’t have the people. You can’t get this done because we don’t have the people. Why are we having unfilled funded posts and not filling them? We are paying for them; get people in there. You need more people to clean parks and clean bathrooms. Hire them! You budgeted the money for it. You budgeted the money for it! Now, here is another anomaly. I don’t know if it is because you guys issued this addendum that has a whole bunch of “N/A” on it, but when I listened to the Minister’s brief, on page 4 of the brief says, “Lif eguards w ill patrol five beaches.” And then on page 19 it mentions four beaches. And then when we look at the performance measures, it says six beaches. So which number is correct so we know what beaches are being patrolled by lifeguards? And while I am on the Lifeguard Programme, can the Minister let us know have lifeguards been hired yet? And have the temporary park rangers been hired yet? Now, just moving on . . . a department that I am not familiar with, but I have listened to others who are more learned than me, and [I have] talked about it with others in the public and private sector. So, going on to the Environment and Natural Resources, it is located on pages B -175 through B -182. You can also see pages C -5 and C -11. Now this is a newly created department. It only emerged last year. This came about by bringing the Department of Conservation Services and the Department of Environmental Pr otection together. From what I understand, it has been a relatively smooth transition and there have been no real issues with merging them because they both pretty much get the job done. But, if we look at the Budget Book on page B -176 . . . I don’t know. Is anyone looking at B -176?
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainIf you look at [programme] 7906, Pollution Control, and below that, [cost centre] 89100, if we go over to the budget for this year, and then right next to the column, the amount different from the year before, I am hoping that is a typo. B ecause the budget has …
If you look at [programme] 7906, Pollution Control, and below that, [cost centre] 89100, if we go over to the budget for this year, and then right next to the column, the amount different from the year before, I am hoping that is a typo. B ecause the budget has increased by 100 per cent if this is true. I am assuming it is a typo because instead of increasing by $731,000, there only seems to be an increase of $8,000. So there is either a typo there or we need some clarification on that.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainNow, notwithstanding the announcement made this morning, one of the biggest things that stands out that has been talked to me and I have been called constantly about it, and I r emember the former Minister saying that this was a headache of his, and the Minister before him, and …
Now, notwithstanding the announcement made this morning, one of the biggest things that stands out that has been talked to me and I have been called constantly about it, and I r emember the former Minister saying that this was a headache of his, and the Minister before him, and I am assuming the new Minister is: Everyone wants to know about dogs. And while I appreciate the statement given earlier, just taking a look at the Budget Book, you know, I extract a few things from there. When I look at the performance measures on page B -181, and we look at the business units 89070, Animal Control, it says here that you expect to have 4,100 dogs l icensed this year, which is the same amount you had licensed last year, and the same prediction you had the year before. But when I look at the licensing fee, there is only $25 per dog if they are fixed [and] $125 per dog if they are not fixed. So, assuming that no dogs in Bermuda are fixed (and I use $125) 4,100 dogs equals $512,000 in revenue, which is less than what is shown for revenue on page B -178 which is $550,000. So, I am trying to reconcile that within myself because surely not all dogs are not fixed. So, there has to be some fixed dogs in there. So, how do we get that revenue number based on what we are showing as our performance measures? Now, even more concerning is that the performance measures say that 4,100 represents only 53 per cent of dogs on- Island, which is (by my calcul aBermuda House of Assembly tion) some 3,600 dogs out there unlicensed. What is the Ministry doing to arrest that? Because, think about it. If you are saying that 4,100 dogs is $550,000 in licensing fees, surely the department can use that ex-tra $400,000- and something if they go out and f ind these other dogs. Surely they can do that. So what is being done to actually address that? I see the Minister mentioned online licensing, so maybe that is one of the things that perhaps will help to get people to say, Hey, you know, it is a little bit easier for me to do it. But the question I have for the Minister, with that process coming in place, will that be allowable for new dogs, or will it only be r enewals? Because I am thinking, if I had that pit bull and I get online and say I have a Yorkie Terrier, or something like that, and I register, you know, there can be some confusion on that. So, I am just curious with the online registration, will it be for renewals or will it be for new dogs as well? How will we police that? Now, the Minister’s brie f talked a little bit about America’s Cup and how this new Ministry interacts with it. But everything that was spoken was li mited to developments that are going on now for Amer ica’s Cup and the impact it will have within our marine environment. My question is, How many studies have been done to see what the impact of the extra boats that will come here from outside of Bermuda, some say in the hundreds, that will be here for America’s Cup? And what impact will they have on our marine environment? Now, this should fall under the remit of Marine Conservation, cost centre 89020. And like I say, the Minister’s brief spoke to the applications for works that are going on now, but did not speak to what steps are going to be taken to ad-vise visiting boats on what they can and cannot do. I see it as a herculean task. And I am just curious to know what Bermuda has done to ensure that their marine environment is protected by these boats that are only going to be here for a month (and a little bit) do their thing, and then they are gone. Now, piggy -backing onto that, what collabor ation has been done between Marine Enforcement and America’s Cup organisers to educate visitors on what they can and cannot do in regard to the marine life—not the marine environment, but the marine life. I mean, all of us, or those of us who follow social m edia, were absolutely devastated to see a visiting fis herman posing on Instagram with a parrotfish, about three and a half feet long, just holding it up, saying, Guess what I caught and killed? Right? That picture is no longer around and this guy has disappeared from Instagram once the Bermudi-ans started hammering him. But what is being done to talk to the America’s Cup organisers to talk to all of these boats that are coming down here to say, Hey, you can visit but here are your restrictions. Because I can guarantee you that anyone visiting Bermuda and sees a pretty little fish swim by, and has a fishing pole, is going to try and catch it, most likely. We are talking about the Dockyard area where there are numerous protected areas from fishing and the like. What are we going to do to make sure that boats do not go there, see these fish congregating, and say, Let me just drop a line. I’m in Bermuda, why not have some recreational fishing? Why not? We are only watching racing a couple of hours a day, we are living on our boat, what else are we going to do? So what has been done for that, for the Minister of this department to talk to the America’s Cup organisers? Now, I do commend, as the Minister did, the HSBC Bermuda and Ascendant Group and their work at Cooper’s Island [Nature Reserve]. It is a place that during the summer I do tend to exercise at and walk, and it is a beautiful location. You go down there and there is a little tower at the end, and it has all the pi ctures of all the endemic fish and plants and animals and such. I was disappointed one time when I was walking and saw a lionfish swimming in our corals —
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainWell, I do not have a licenc e to cull. I do not have a licence. But it was no more than five feet from the shore in water about two and a half to three feet deep. And it was a sight to see be-cause it was the first …
Well, I do not have a licenc e to cull. I do not have a licence. But it was no more than five feet from the shore in water about two and a half to three feet deep. And it was a sight to see be-cause it was the first time I had seen one, you know, right there in front of me. It was just swimming around, doing what it does, destroying our marine life, eating little fish, going about its way. I did not realise that they actually came that close, like you could see them right off the rocks, but it was right there. I was stand-ing and looking down. If you go past the little tower there, and there are those flat rocks where you can actually see the water, in some pools there, it was right there in one of those. One thing that came up in the Minister’s brief was, he mentioned the registration requirement for home gardeners and hobbyists. I was completely un-aware of that and I was just hoping that we could get a little more—
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainIt was on one of the last pages, I did not note the page, but he did talk about registered home gardeners and hobbyists. So I was just wondering if we could get a little more detail on what that programme is. I am sure there are a ton of …
It was on one of the last pages, I did not note the page, but he did talk about registered home gardeners and hobbyists. So I was just wondering if we could get a little more detail on what that programme is. I am sure there are a ton of people out there saying, Huh? When they are liste ning, saying, What is that? So, if we ca n get a little bit more detail on that. You know, it was in the last brief that he read, maybe in the last five pages that was mentioned. Now, also within the brief, on page 28 (I will help you out), he talked about 249 water rights notices with the debt collector. We all get these water rights notices. But I will tell you . . . these are for wells, for 1504 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly those in the listening public that did not know, they are for wells that you have on your property. The problem with that is you have to write a cheque and mail it in, or come down to the department with cash in hand, or a cheque. It is a hindrance! It is a hindrance to do that. Why can this not . . . if we talk about streamlining, get this online so people can pay it online. Even if it is like, Here’s an account number that you can go online and transfer money to, and then send us a receipt, get it done. Trust me, I can personally tell you that I have walked by my desk and said, Oh wow, six months later I see the cheque and the form still stapled there to go in the mail. We could probably count on one hand how many Members in this Honourable House actual-ly still have a chequebook, let alone the general pub-lic. Again, I was happy to see a mention of the glyphosate herbicide, otherwise known as Roundup, for those in the listening public. You know, I just wish we would just move to the point where we just ban it, get it over with, find something more natural, a natural herbicide that we can use. I can see the PS over there saying, There’s nothing else. But, yo u know, I hope . . . I do believe that there has got to be something else because if this thing is being banned in other countries, there has got to be something else to take its place. As I windup because I know there might be some other Members who want to speak, and I do know that the Minister has quite a few answers to supply. This issue was brought up earlier with the previous Minister and it warrants an update as well. I would like to know what further updates there are with the Nearshore Marine Spatial Planning for Bermuda. This was initiated to update the current Minister, this was initiated as a private/public partnership between the Government of Bermuda, the Waitt Foundation, and the Bermuda Institute for Ocean Sciences, BIOS. When we last spoke in this House, the former Minister said that the Government was reviewing all of the i nformation that had been received and was working with the Department of Planning and the other r esources to craft the most appropriate spatial plan for the country. The question asked then was did the D epartment of Planning have the type of resources to work with this and the Minister said that it would be looked at. So, I am asking for an update on what has happened with that process. Previously, the Minister also said that he would provide an update for the following reports: Healthy Options for Bermuda’s Nearshore Marine Spatial Planning Process and the Legal Context of Nearshore Marine Spatial Planning in Bermuda. Again, these reports were in draft form when we last spoke, and I was just hoping that I could get an u pdate on what was going on with them now. There are several people out there that are chomping at the bit to read these reports. And it has been going on for quite some time, Minister. I want to say about a year, and we did talk about having them in place for this November. Some of this stuff that we talked about having in place for this November for the hurricane season, so I would like to just get some updates on that. With that, Madam Chairman, I will sit down and allow the Minister to answer or anyone else to speak on this head.
The ChairmanChairmanYou have got about 30 minutes. Would anyone . . . yes? The Member fro m constituency 26.
Mr. Neville S. TyrrellThank you, Madam Chairman. I do want to give the dual Ministers over there opportunity of answering the questions and not just the shake of heads that they have been giving us t oday. Madam Chairman, let me first of all say that I am referring to Head 68, page …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. I do want to give the dual Ministers over there opportunity of answering the questions and not just the shake of heads that they have been giving us t oday. Madam Chairman, let me first of all say that I am referring to Head 68, page B -169, the mission statement for the department and also the depar tment’s objectives. If you do not mind, I will just read one or two bits of it. It says, “To develop and maintain public parks, beaches” et cetera, and it also goes further down and says, “for the enjoyment of residents and visitors.” That is in the mission statement. If I refer to the department objectives, there are seven bullet points, and I will go with the first two [which are]: Maintain and manage all parks to the specified stan dards. Maintain all other designated areas of respons ibility to specified standards. Now, Madam Chairman, I deliberately preamble my remarks with those statements because I want to be a little more specific because my Honourable Member talked generally about the points that I want to raise, one of them in particular, and that is Railway Trail. Let me say that I am blessed to live in an area where to the north of me is the Railway Trail and to the south of me are the beaches and the parks. And so I certainly take the opportunity of using the Railway Trail a lot but, as I said, sometimes the blessings can also be not so good because of recent the Railway Trail has not been kept to the standard that it was usually. I live in a section, I will give you very specific, the Railway Trail is below Rocklands Estate, and so I go from there down to Ord Road. I can either run it, walk it, take my mutton bike. I have not been able to do that of recent. So I would hope that the Minister is giving some attention, I understand that some parts of the Railway Trail are being addressed. I would hope that you could move it up to that area as well. So will you be doing that, Minister, because it would certainly
Bermuda House of Assembly help the residents of my area, getting off my back, asking me about that stretch in particular? Let me also— because as I said, I want to give the Honourable Minister time— move to something very specific and this may not come under your Mini stry Minister, so you can stop me in my tracks right away. I mentioned it, I think, the first time I got on my feet in the House, I mentioned about a playground in my area. And I am a little confused because I actually went across there yesterday to take some pictures and there are actually two signs. One says, “Oliv ebank” . . . something. And the other one says . . . there are two signs there. So one, who . . . and I think this is the confusion that we are having because I am told, I have been given the run- around as to who should be maintaining that playground. And because I think of the two signs, it might be two different de-partments, ministries, I do not know. I am specifically talking about the playground that I describe as Jones Village on one side [and] Rockland Estates on the other side. Who maintains it? And is it going to be maintained on a regular basis? Those are my two ques-tions, Minister. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Would anyone else like to speak to the heads? Okay, Minister, you may take the floor. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Okay. I want to thank the Members for their questions. There were quite a few questions that MP Rabain asked, so I will try and hit …
Thank you, Member. Would anyone else like to speak to the heads? Okay, Minister, you may take the floor. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Okay. I want to thank the Members for their questions. There were quite a few questions that MP Rabain asked, so I will try and hit his questions first. The first question had to do with the price tag of the amalgamation or reorganisation of the depar tment. I believe the Honourable Member gave a price of $2.2 million. That is what he had calculated it to be. I have been reliably informed that the $2.2 million amount is not correct. What happened is primarily a consolidation and reorganisation using already all ocated funds. These are accommodating the 2015/16 budget. So the actual cost of the amalgamation is much lower, and I have been told it is around $336,000. The support staff is coming from existing resour ces within the Ministry and other ministries. So instead of it being at $2.2 million, the actual figure is closer to $336,000. I take the Member’s point that he would like changes to be made by negative resolution. I will try and look at that. I would like to refer to his question about the Parks performance measure where he said the performance measures he was giving had a lot of “N/A” (not applicable) listed. You will notice that the column for the actual outcome for 2015/16 is predom-inantly empty. The department has undergone a r eview recently which revealed that the accuracy that the data collected could not be verified. The measures for accurate data collection will be in place for the 2017/18 fiscal year. So that is why the information here has a lot of “N/A” there. I think the question regarding Tulo Valley, they are now producing the product instead of ou tsourcing it and buying it from outside vendors. So that will cover that. There was another question regarding unfilled funded posts in Parks. What is the reason behind the lack of staff and having many funded vacant posts? The response is that the Parks model of operation reflects an outdated model. The Parks Department once again is undergoing a restructuring process in order to reflect a 21 st century model. This process has already begun. There was another question asked about how many beaches and what beaches do the lifeguards patrol, and have the seasonal lifeguards and seasonal park rangers’ posts been filled yet? There are actually five beaches where there are lifeguards and they are: John Smith’s Bay; Horseshoe Bay; Clearwater Beach; Long Bay; and Turtle Bay. I guess the confusion was because due to the proximity of Clearwater Beach and Turtle Bay, they are sometimes counted as one. The process to fill the seasonal lifeguards and the seasonal park rangers has already begun. Summer is co ming, so this process is already underway. Another question was asked about what is being done to educate visiting yachts and visitors. The department is very active in discussions with ACBDA culminating with an online brochure stipulating r equirements for plant imports, fuels , pets, and fishing regulations. These will be posted on the government’s portal and the department website. The stipulations are currently with the ACBDA and the department for final review. So those were good points that the Honourable Member brought up, and they are being addressed. There was a question asked about parks in the east always being overgrown and trash overflo wing. There is an issue with the parks in the east. They have been in bad condition over the last year. I acknowledged in my brief that there have been cha llenges in keeping on top of the delivery of service in these areas. While I can confirm the team to clean the bathrooms consisted of two, I am not at liberty to discuss the specifics of individual team members. Like I said, I would agree that sometimes the trash needs attending due to volume, but every parish of the Island is collected every day. There was another question asked about what is going on with Nearshore Planning. All options are currently being explored. Next month the Ministry’s technical officers will be holding an on- Island threeday workshop with the International Union for Conservation of Nature [ICUN]. The topic will be to discuss other effective conservation measures. The depar tment will use the outcomes from these discussions in the development of recommendations for Nearshore 1506 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Marine Planning. No government funds are going to be used for the work shop. There was a question asked [about] how many people have taken advantage of the Heritage Fund. I can provide these numbers to you in writing in the very short term. But I must say that since being reappointed to the Ministry, I have had some brief di scussions with the director about the Heritage Fund. I live in a listed house, and when I was Minister the first go-round in this Ministry I had discussions about how that fund was not really meaningful. I mean, $10,000, that is not really going to do much for somebody who lives in a historic house. We have to replace like for like. So, I know the department is looking at beefing up that whole regime. And I do not want to get ahead of myself, but we are looking at things like maybe if you live in a listed building, you get a reduc-tion on your land tax, or there are other options that can be explored. But it definitely needs to be looked at. It is something that I am passionate about. Once again, because I do live in a historic house, so that is a work in progress also. Yes, a question was asked about the director and the superintendent suspended over a year ago. That is an internal matter. It is a civil service matter. I have been advised that financial instructions were not adhered to and an investigation is ongoing; therefore, I cannot comment any further on that. A question was asked about the exhibition, $65,000 in salaries were paid for the exhibition, and also for overtime. We have to keep in mind that it is a private/public partnership that we have now, Gover nment and the organisers of the Ag Show. So there is an expense that government contributes to putting on the Ag Show of $65,000. A question was asked about page B -176, whether it was a typo, the Pollution Control. It is a t ypo. The difference should be seven, not 731. Good catch, Honourable Member. That is one that slipped by me. And a question was asked about dog licences, what can be done to increase the licensing of dogs, example online licensing. We are looking at all of that, Honourable Member. I do believe that the l icensing will be for new dogs and existing dogs. I can-not go any further into that because it is still a work in progress, but we are looking at that. I am going to move to the question asked by MP Tyrrell. What I would suggest is that you and I go out to the park, because I believe I know which one you are referring to. It is right at the end of Jones Vi llage. I do not think that this field is part of the park system. I will have to find out. It is not part of the park system . It is not part of the school system. So I will just have to get back to you with an answer on that because I do not have the answer right now. There was another question (yes, I think it was MP Tyrrell again) [about] the Railway Trail not being maintain ed as well as it has been in the past. I can say that the areas that have not been included in the tender are those that need acute attention. There are two main areas which will be addressed in an an-nual tender process that will be in process shortly. [Crosstalk] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I think there was a nother question about the Railway Trail and the tender process. Has the tender been awarded yet for selec ted sections of the Railway Trail?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberRail Trail. [Laughter] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: The Rail Trail is a marketing effort. Anyway, the tender has been awarded to several contractors I hear . The Railway Trail was used as a promotion in an event at Shelly Bay two Sundays ago, actually. The weather was not that …
Rail Trail.
[Laughter] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: The Rail Trail is a marketing effort. Anyway, the tender has been awarded to several contractors I hear . The Railway Trail was used as a promotion in an event at Shelly Bay two Sundays ago, actually. The weather was not that great, but there was a good turnout there. The department has no plans to change the name as the Bermuda Railway Trail is steeped in history and appropriately describes our experience. In addition, the name is deeply e ntrenched in legislation. So, the BTA’s Rail Trail, it is a marketing exercise.
The ChairmanChairmanYes, Member, from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. RobanThank you, Madam Chairman. Just a few questions on this particular Ministry of the Environment, Head 50, but my main question is under Head 68, a couple of questions under Parks. I would just like to say, as a former Minister of the Environment, I was always very proud of …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just a few questions on this particular Ministry of the Environment, Head 50, but my main question is under Head 68, a couple of questions under Parks. I would just like to say, as a former Minister of the Environment, I was always very proud of the team that was at that Ministry and it does not have perhaps the big budgets of Health and Education, but that is a Ministry that has a wide impact on the health and we lfare of the Island in so many ways. There is an excel-lent team there. I do believe that the amalgamation is a good thing, bringing what used to be Conservation Services and Environmental Protection together. That was a good move and I expect that they will work well together going forward. My main questions, as I said, under Head 68, under Parks. I have a couple of questions. One is on page B -170, and it is in relation t o Tulo Valley b ecause I did note the comments of the Minister in rel ation to . . . there was a question raised by the Honourable Member who sits in constituency 13 about the creation of bed plants and whether Tulo Valley is doing everything that it should be doing in that area.
Bermuda House of Assembly Certainly, I am surprised to see on that parti cular [cost centre] of 78055 that the budget is being reduced primarily for a couple of reasons. One would think that they are continuously doing work to assist with the keeping of our beautiful green environment. And always creating the necessary plant resources to ensure that on a yearly basis they are able to replace, rejuvenate, and keep, certainly in all of our public spaces, all the necessary resources there. Whether it be working w ith the Botanical Gardens or in all of our parks that they are actually doing what is necessary. So I am surprised that there is a reduction of that much [of an] amount. Also, in relation to Tulo Valley, I am interested to know, and I do not know if the Minister answered this, he may have, but about training and education. I would be interested to know if the Minister can answer if any of our local schools visited Tulo Valley in the last year. Because I think it is very important that we are trying to promote an appreciation of our environ-ment and young people should appreciate that you can grow things. And one thing I have learned over time because I have a number of people in my family who are either in the agricultural field or have a strong interest in agriculture: my stepfather is a farmer, my stepbrother is also a farmer, and my own father is a very keen horticulturalist and has worked in the pr ivate sector as well as for the Agricultural Department over the years in this area, so I am never far away from agriculture from that standpoint. And I would hope that Tulo Valley is doing everything it can to make sure that it takes the lead in this area because, clearly, with all of our parks and all of our green spaces and all the properties that are under the Government assets, that is more land than any private sector provider has responsibility for. Even working with some of our quangos, frankly, the quangos should see Tulo Valley as the first stop of oppor-tunity to get their own supply, rather than necessarily going to a private sector provider. And so I would hope, as the Minister seems to have assured us of, that 90 [per cent] to 100 per cent of our plant r esources , Tulo Valley is providing to the Government proper , and that actually no department, none of our park resources or none of our planting resources have to be bought from [the] private sector, unless it is such a special acquisition that only they can get it. You know there are some things that, perhaps, only the private sector . . . or it is more efficient for them to get it for us because of certain connections. But I would hope that this is the case that almost all of our bedding resources, particularly anything we have had to get to recover from any hurricanes or storms, that all of that is handled by Tulo Valley. We should not be buying from the private sector when we have that wonderful resource there. And it should be used as a tool for education, young people should be able to get training down there and to sort of apprentice in the agricult ural field by working at Tulo Valley. Students who are interes ted should be working there because all the expertise is down there. There are people down there who have been working for years who know how to do ever ything around agriculture in Bermuda. So I hope that those are the things . . . and that is why I am concerned about the reduction in the budget that it is able to do these things. The other thing is . . . I am particularly interested in because my honourable colleague who sits in constituency 26 did ask about a park in his area, I am interested to know if . . . because I have had concerns for my constituents about the Pig’s Field, and I know that, though there is some local responsibility for Pig’s Field by a local committee, it is the Parks Depar tment that is supposed to regularly trim the field, and som etimes I get calls that it has not been done. So I just hope that that is something that is known to be . . . needed to be done on a regular basis because the field is used by the local community. The other thing is a question in relation to the Exhibition, under Head 68, under programme 6804, [cost centre] 78110. The Minister . . . we note in the budget that in 2016/17 there was $75,000 put there, this year there is nothing, but the Minister did no t seem to give a clear answer on if the persons who are contracted to run the Exhibition . . . this is supposed to be they are funding it, how are we paying for the staff that will be assisting them in the Exhibition pr ogramme which, obviously, is next month? So if it is —
[Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walter H. RobanWell, I am not going to listen to the former Minister, I am interested in hearing the a nswer from the current Minister. And as far as I am concerned that is chirping, it is not an actual . . . him actually officially answering. So, Madam Chairman, I will …
Well, I am not going to listen to the former Minister, I am interested in hearing the a nswer from the current Minister. And as far as I am concerned that is chirping, it is not an actual . . . him actually officially answering. So, Madam Chairman, I will look to hear the answers as to . . . if it is not allocated here, I do not recall the Minister saying where. I did not see it in Grants and Contributions. I did not see it anywhere else in the Budget Book, anything going to the Exhib ition. And exactly what funding is going to be put aside to fund the staffing that will be made available for the Exhibition from that department. If that group is not paying for it, then if we are paying for it, where is the money coming from. The other question I had and I do not know, the Minister may have spoken to this in his brief, and it had to do with . . . and I will go to Head 79 and, perhaps, it is under page B -176, [programme] 7903. This is a question pertaining the Bees issue of the Varroa virus and other related issues that we have confronted around the bees over the years , and this has been sort of a project of mine. I know I have not seen lately some of the interesting unique things about bees. I used to see wasps all around the Island and, you know, we do not see that anymore. So maybe is that 1508 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly because of environmental impact . . . I am not asking the Minister to answer that, but just okay, for the sake of conversation, I do not see the wasps that I used to see all over the place. But in reference to the reco very, how much money is being put in the recovery of the bee population? And is the Minister of the view that this is going according to plan? Because it is still very challenging to get the local honey, you do not see it in stores anymore, although I guess if you know someone you can get some. But that is something that I would be interested to know from the Minister, How much funding is being put to the recovery of the bee population and whether that is on target. I will sit down there so the Minister can answer any other questions that need to be answered. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Minister, would you like to take the floor? [Pause] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will go back to the question about the Ag Show. The $65,000— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: All right. $75,000. The $75,000 is to pay for …
Thank you, Member. Minister, would you like to take the floor? [Pause] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will go back to the question about the Ag Show. The $65,000—
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: All right. $75,000. The $75,000 is to pay for overtime salary for the Ag Show. And there is a lso one person from the department who still . . . her salary is still showing up in that $75,000. Regarding Tulo Valley and the Honourable Member had a question about Tulo Valley. Quangos—this is the insight I have been given—quangos should use Tulo Valley as a resource as opposed to purchasing from the private sector. Anything that should need replacing should be obtained from Tulo Valley. Tulo Valley does supply plants for other government departments and quangos. At times specific plants that are not carried by Tulo Valley are pur-chased in the private sector. This is not optimum, but in order to manage finances, the type of plants cult ivated are carefully selected. I think we are coming to the end of the debate on this particular Ministry, so I would like to, before we end, I would like to thank the Director of Planning, Ms. Aideen Ratteray Pryse; and also the Acting Director of Planning, Mr. Larry Williams. I would also like to thank the Acting Director of Parks, Ms. Jonelle Christopher, who is here in the Chamber. I would also like to thank the Director of Environment and Natural Resources, Andrew Pettit; and also my secretary, Marva -Jean O’Brien —my Permanent Secretary, excuse me, Marva-Jean O’Brien —and also the Financial Controller of the Department of Environment and Natural R e-sources, Mr. Alvin ( and I hope I pronounce your name right, sir ) Goulbourne. They make me look good.
The ChairmanChairmanTime. Thank you, Minister. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanPatience, Members, patience. Hon. Sylvan D . Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. And with that I would like to move Head 50, Head 32, Head 68, and Head 79 for the Ministry of the Environment.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that Heads 50, 32, 68, and 79 be approved. Is there any objection to the motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of the Environment, Heads 50, 32, 68, and 79 , was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and …
The ChairmanChairmanMinister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. That concludes all the debate of the heads. I would now like to move the Appropriation Act 2017. Madam Chairman, I would like to move that the following heads be approved as printed: Heads 1, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98, …
Minister?
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. That concludes all the debate of the heads. I would now like to move the Appropriation Act 2017. Madam Chairman, I would like to move that the following heads be approved as printed: Heads 1, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98, 101, 12, 26, 84, 96, 3, 74, 75, 11, 12, 28, 38, 59, 69, 72, 18, 19, 39, 46, and 89 together with the heads already approved during this debate on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the heads be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Heads 1, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98, 101, 12, 26, 84, 96, 3, 74, 75, 11, 12, 28, 38, 59, 69, 72, 18, 19, 39, 46, and …
It has been moved that the heads be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel]
[Motion carried: Heads 1, 5, 56, 85, 92, 98, 101, 12, 26, 84, 96, 3, 74, 75, 11, 12, 28, 38, 59, 69, 72, 18, 19, 39, 46, and 89 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18.]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
Bermuda House of Assembly I move that the Current Account Estimates, the Capital Development Estimates, and the Capital Acquisition Estimates be approved.
The Cha irman: It has been moved that the Estimates be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel]
[Motion carried: The Current Account Estimates, the Capital Development Estimates , and the Capital A cquisition Estimates were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18.]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2017/18 be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for Financial Year 2017/18 were considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed.] Hon. …
It has been moved that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel]
[Motion carried: The Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure for Financial Year 2017/18 were considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed.]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move that the approval of the Estimates be reported to the House.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the approval be reported to the House. Agreed. [Gavel] House resumed at 8:16 pm [Hon. K.H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member s, the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2017/18 have been approved. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Finance. BILL FIRST READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I am introducing a Bill entitled the Appropriation Act …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Thank you, Minister. Please carry on. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I move in accordance with Standing Order 28(5)(1) that under the provisions of Standing Orders 41, 12, and 42 the remaining stages of the Bill entitled Appropriation Act 201 7 be taken forthwith.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any objections to that? Carry on, please, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled Appropriation Act 2017 be now read a second time in the House.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAre there any objections to that? Carry on, Minister. BILL SECOND READING APPROPRIATION ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker , I move clauses 1 to 6, inclusive, together with the Schedules A, B, and C as printed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Any objections? Minister, carry on. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 together with Schedules A, B , and C passed.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: All right, Mr. Speaker , I move the p reamble. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Any objections to that? Carry on, …
Thank you. Any objections? Minister, carry on.
[Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 6 together with Schedules A, B , and C passed.]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: All right, Mr. Speaker , I move the p reamble.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Any objections to that? Carry on, Minister.
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Bermuda House of Assembly THIRD READING
APPROPRIATION ACT 2017
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker , I move that the Bill entitled the Appropriation Act 2017 be now read the third time by its title only.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections to that? There are none. Carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill do now pass.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. It has been moved that the Appropriation Act 2017 be passed. Any objections to that? The Bill is passed. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerCarry on, Minister. MESSAGE TO THE SENATE APPROPRIATION ACT 201 7 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the following message be sent to the Senate. And the message is: “To the Honourable President and Members of the Senate: The House of Assembly has the honour to …
Carry on, Minister.
MESSAGE TO THE SENATE
APPROPRIATION ACT 201 7
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the following message be sent to the Senate. And the message is: “To the Honourable President and Members of the Senate: The House of Assembly has the honour to forward herewith the undernoted Bill for the concurrence of your House, the Bill entitled, the Appropri ation Act 2017. Copies of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2017/18 are also forwarded for the information of your House.”
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Minister. Are there any objections to that? Honourable Members, the message will be sent to the President and the Senate. Thank you, Minister. [Pause]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThat concludes our Budget Debate. And Order No. 2 is carried over. Order No. 3 is carried over. Order No. 4 is carried over. And the Chair will recogni se the Minister of Finance , Minister E. T. R ichards. You have the floor. BILL SECOND READING COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT …
That concludes our Budget Debate. And Order No. 2 is carried over. Order No. 3 is carried over. Order No. 4 is carried over. And the Chair will recogni se the Minister of Finance , Minister E. T. R ichards. You have the floor.
BILL SECOND READING
COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move the Bill entitled the Companies Amendment Act 2017, which has the Governor’s recommendation, be now read the second time.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections to that? Please carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government wishes this Honourable House to give consideration to the Bill entitled the Companies Amendment Act 2017. This Bill provides for a revenue raising measure in support of Government’s 2017/18 …
Any objections to that? Please carry on, Minister.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government wishes this Honourable House to give consideration to the Bill entitled the Companies Amendment Act 2017. This Bill provides for a revenue raising measure in support of Government’s 2017/18 Budget. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members will recall that in the 2017/18 National Budget Government an-nounced it will increase the company licence fees for certain permit companies from $1,995 per annum to $25,000 per annum. Mr. Speaker, Government has reviewed company fees , both incorporation fees and annual fees. One of the principal considerations in this area is the international competitive landscape w ith other jurisdi ctions. Owners of such companies can be very sens itive to the cost of setting up an exempted company and even though the capital in such companies might be in the hundreds of millions of dollars or more, the decision to not incorporate in Bermuda might turn on just a few dollars difference in incorporation costs. Therefore, incorporation fees have not been i ncreased. Permit companies, sometimes referred to as overseas companies, are companies incorporated in another jurisdiction, but who desire to conduct bus iness from Bermuda, essentially setting up a branch in Bermuda. Bermuda’s company framework has al-lowed such companies for many decades and they have had to pass the same rigorous vetting process at the BMA as though they were actually incorporated in Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, in recent years permit companies have been at the eye of the international storm as it relates to the tax haven and tax avoidance debate, as such companies are mostly part of elaborate structures that allow multinational corporations to reduce their global tax liability. Mr. Speaker, let me emphasise that, as far as we know, there is nothing whatsoever unlawful about these structures. If there were evidence of such unlawful activities , we would not allow them to use Be rmuda as a platform. However, in view of the current transatlantic crossfire over multinationals’ tax burden, their presence in Bermuda has meant that our excel-lent international reputation has become a casualty, a reputation which the Government has a duty to
Bermuda House of Assembly staunchly defend. The defence against reputational risk comes at a significant cost. Therefore, we are raising the annual government fees on certain permit companies that have no physical presence in Berm uda from $1,995 to $25,000 to achieve additional rev enue of about $4 [million] to $5 million. Mr. Speaker, currently there are approximat ely 430 permit companies registered in Bermuda. With those introductory remarks, Mr. Speaker, I invite Honourable Members to comment. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Minister of Finance. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much and good evening to you, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood evening. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I note the Minister’s comments and they largely reflected the same comments that he made when he delivered his Budget Speech on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. But I think that the record should record, Mr. Speaker, that this is seemingly …
Good evening.
Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I note the Minister’s comments and they largely reflected the same comments that he made when he delivered his Budget Speech on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. But I think that the record should record, Mr. Speaker, that this is seemingly the fifth r evenue measure that the Government has brought forward and the fifth revenue measure that the Government has had to adjust. We have seen the payroll taxes adjusted due to what one must assume is lack of con-sultation. We have seen the Electronic Communic ations Act not be taken up for what we know is lack of consultation. We will see that there are going to be amendments to the Customs Duty Tariff which are going to be taken up due to push back from the pr ivate sector. We are aware of . . . and there was one more. I mean, it seems that every single revenue measure that this Government has brought forward it is almost as though they have not thought it through, so now they are having to change something due to lack of consultation. So, the question that I have, and the only question that I have, is how confident is the Minister of his revenue figures, which we have just put in the E stimates, given that we are making yet another change to what the anticipated revenue would be? And I would also ask the Minister very simply, he said there were a number of permit companies, but in his brief he did not say what the proposed amend-ment would mean when we have . . . we understand that they are going to change and separate those companies who have a physical presence from those companies which do not have a physical presence. So I guess the question . . . I am more than happy to yield if the Minister has an answer because it will be helpful to me . . . for my speech. But the challenge that I have, Mr. Speaker, is that yet again we are here amending yet another revenue provision of this Bill . . . sorry , of this year’s Budget , and it seems as though the Government is having a problem getting these things right and con-sulting in the first instance instead of having to change every single revenue act. This would be the fifth one which we have amended—Financial Services Tax, Payroll Tax, Cus-toms Duties, Electronic Communications, and now the Companies Amendment Bill, Mr. Speaker. There has not been a single revenue provisio n, with the exce ption of regulatory authority fees , that has not had to be amended inside this House. This is something that, of course, should be concerning, but I would hope the Minister could please clarify what consultation took place? Why is it necess ary to make these particular changes? And how will this change affect the Budget? Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, thank you very much, Honourable Member. Are there any other Members who would care to speak? There are none. So, Minister of F inance? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are making an amendment to essentially carve out companies, current companies that …
Thank you, thank you very much, Honourable Member. Are there any other Members who would care to speak? There are none. So, Minister of F inance?
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are making an amendment to essentially carve out companies, current companies that have a physical presence in Bermuda, and this is a result of consultation. And I would say to the Honourable Member who asked this question that when you are making changes of the nature that we are making in this Budget you are basically breaking new ground. And you know, they say you have to break some eggs to make an omelette, and this is what we are doin g. So I think that these sorts of adjustments . . . and most of them have been very minor, are in keep-ing with something that we are doing that is new , and so this is in keeping with that. Now, insofar as the number of companies with physical presence is concerned, I do not believe that they number more than 40 of the 400 to 500 companies that exist. So it is not really a major thing, but of course it will be a major thing for a company that is here and having to pay $25,000 already and they are already here hiring people. We do not want to pena lise those companies. So that is the idea behind this. I think it is a sound idea. It is part of . . . it is part and parcel of something, a process that we have started to change things in this country , and so it i s what it is. With that —
Hon. E. David Burt: Point of clarification, if I may, Mr. Speaker.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Sure.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. E. David Burt: Could the Minister please just clarify . He said there are 40 companies that have a physical presence; those are the ones that will not be taxed? And if the Minister could give the revenue es-timates on the change?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, I do not have the dollar figures, unless my FS can give it to me, but I think it is certainly less than 10 per cent, all right? So with that, Mr. Speaker, I would move that the Bill be committed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Honourable Member. It has been moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? So, I will ask the Deputy Speaker, please. House in Committee at 8:37 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The ChairmanChairmanWe are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Companies Amendment Act 2017 . I call on the Minister in charge. Finance Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend …
We are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Companies Amendment Act 2017 . I call on the Minister in charge. Finance Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the Fifth Schedule of the Companies Act 1981 to i ncrease the annual fee payable by certain permit co mpanies under section 135 of that Act. There are just two clauses , well, three clauses to this, Madam Chairman. Clause 1 provides the citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends Part II, paragraph 1B, su bparagraph (d) of the Fifth Schedule of the Companies Act 1981, to increase the annual fee payable by permit c ompanies not falling within subparagraphs (a) to (c), from $1,995 to $25,000. And also that “the Companies Amendment Bill 2017 will be amended as follows” and that is clause 2, which is different from the original clause 2. Clause 3 provides for commencement.
The ChairmanChairmanThen Member, my recommendation is that we move clause 1 and then we will go to the amendment. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Right.
The ChairmanChairmanSo if there is no objection to that, any Members want to speak to clause 1? If you would mov e clause 1. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, I move clause 1, it is just the citation.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clause 1 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 1 passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanNow we can go on to the amendment. Does everyone have a copy of the amendment? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I think they will pass it around.
The ChairmanChairmanMembers, Members, do you have a copy of the amendment? Yes, okay, thank you. Please proceed. AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 2 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, Madam Chairman. In clause 2 we omit the words “subparagraph (d)” to the end and replace them with the following: “Delete subparagraph (d) and …
Members, Members, do you have a copy of the amendment? Yes, okay, thank you. Please proceed.
AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 2
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, Madam Chairman. In clause 2 we omit the words “subparagraph (d)” to the end and replace them with the following: “Delete subparagraph (d) and substitute as follows: (d) in any other case where the permit co mpany: ( 1) has a physical presence in Bermuda appl ying the definition in section 129(1)(aa) as if the permit company were an exempted company; and (2) does not have such a physical presence in Bermuda.” But the first one I have to add, particularly for the listeners, the ones that have a physical presence, the tax for them , the annual tax for them will be $1,995, and for those that do not have a physical presence the tax will be $25,000. But that is clause 2.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I will just make for the record the same points I have already …
Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I will just make for the record the same points I have already made before and, hopefully, the Financial Secretary can get an accurate figure as to the exact impact that this change will have on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure, which have been passed, because it seems as though those Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure given . . . I do not believe the Minister amended the Estimates of Revenue and we know that there have been multiple items where we have reduced the amount of revenue that the Government is expected to have via law. So, if the Financial Secretary could please provide the accurate figure of how much this will actually change, that would be useful.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? There are no other Members. Minister . Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I might answer that question, the answer is none, because what we are antic ipating, Honourable Member, is that …
Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? There are no other Members. Minister . Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I might answer that question, the answer is none, because what we are antic ipating, Honourable Member, is that some of these companies may . . . some of these companies may pack up and leave. So we are budgeting $4 [million] t o $5 million here even though if all of them paid $25,000, that would be $10 million. So we have had a conservative estimate here, and some of them may pack up and leave, and with this increase we have taken that into account. So, the carving out of the physical presence ones really will not be material at all.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, that [question] solicited an . . . elicited a response that I was not expecting. So, the Minister is saying that …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, that [question] solicited an . . . elicited a response that I was not expecting. So, the Minister is saying that with this change that he is making he is expecting that there will be permit co mpanies that are registered in Bermuda who will no longer register in Bermuda, and they may take their registration somewhere else. I want to . . . he can answer that. The second thing is that, clearly, if the Government anticipated charging all permit companies $25,000, and if we are carving out 40 permit compa-nies right now, then, clearly, there must be a difference of revenue that is expected. The Minister is saying that we are taking it up, but we are not expecting a difference, it just does not seem to add up. If we were expecting . . . I do not know if there were 430, and 430 companies were g oing to pay $25,000 and now, all of a sudden, there are 390 companies that were expected to pay that money and the others are expected to pay less. Clearly, there must be some type of difference to the Estimate of Revenue. We cannot just say there will be no change because if you were anticipating this and now you have carved out a certain section in the exact same way that we were anticipating employee payroll tax for a full year and as you carve out a certain portion there has to be an impact on the Budget. So, the Minister is saying this change where we are lowering fees is not going to have any impact on the Estimates just does not make sense.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I have given my reason; the Honourable Member just disagrees with me. It is as simple as that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I was hoping that the Minister could answer the first thing that came from his answer last time. It is, just to clarify, that the Ministry of Finance is expecting that …
Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I was hoping that the Minister could answer the first thing that came from his answer last time. It is, just to clarify, that the Ministry of Finance is expecting that permit companies will cease to register in Berm uda and will register with other places due to this change .
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, we are—
The ChairmanChairmanAh! The Chair recognises the Mini ster. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We are anticipating that some companies may pick up stakes and leave, yes. But what we are trying to do here is the companies that really have a physical presence . . . we do not want to …
Ah! The Chair recognises the Mini ster. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We are anticipating that some companies may pick up stakes and leave, yes. But what we are trying to do here is the companies that really have a physical presence . . . we do not want to touch them. And those that are . . . as I sort of euphemistically described it, in the eye of the hurr icane insofar as the international tax debate is concerned, those that really want to be here are going to have to pay. Those that really do not want to be here, See you later. And that is . . . but all in all, we will gain from this. And the idea here is that we cannot have Bermuda being used as a platform for these sorts of things where there is not a reasonable compensation to the Island for it. These are not exempted compa-nies, they are companies that are mainly here as part of some sort of elaborate global tax avoidance scheme. And if they are going to be here, we think 1514 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly that the Government of Bermuda—which has to d efend them —needs to be appropriately compensated.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 21.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongThank you, Madam Chai rman. I mean, if the Minister concedes that we are going to have to defend these companies on an ongo-ing basis as the heat behind . . . the temperature around this issue, globally, continues to grow . . . I mean, should the price of …
The ChairmanChairmanTwenty -five thousand dollars.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongTwenty -five thousand dollars? In my view, I think that would send probably a stronger message to our growing number of global detractors.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, the cost has gone up over 10 times, so I think that is enough for one year.
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 21.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongI think the Finance Mini ster’s answer is too cavalier and he is acting far too conservative here. These companies are laundering . . . not laundering, they are indulging in tax avoidance to the tune of billions of dollars. So, if they want to maintain the privilege of having …
I think the Finance Mini ster’s answer is too cavalier and he is acting far too conservative here. These companies are laundering . . . not laundering, they are indulging in tax avoidance to the tune of billions of dollars. So, if they want to maintain the privilege of having some association with a Blue Chip jurisdiction such as Bermuda, and in an effort to really send a strong signal internationally or globally, then I think it should have been higher. I still think that we should be exacting a higher price for the Bermuda brand in this regard.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members t hat would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, Madam Chairman. I sympathise with the Honourable Member, but I think that we have raised enough eyebrows with this …
Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members t hat would like to speak to the amendment to clause 2? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, Madam Chairman. I sympathise with the Honourable Member, but I think that we have raised enough eyebrows with this particular move . . . not only raising, but singeing them. [Laughter]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So . . . and I certainly did not mean to be cavalier, Honourable Member. I was just trying to inject some humour into an otherwise dry subject. So with that, Madam Chairman, I would like to move clause 2 as amended.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clause 2 as amended be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 2 passed as amended.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards : Madam Chairman, I move clause 3 which is the commencement.
The ChairmanChairmanClause 3. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clause 3, which is the commencement? There are no Members that would like to speak to clause 3. The Chair recognises t he Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move clause 3, please.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clause 3 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 3 passed.] Hon. E. T. (B ob) Richards: I move the preamble,
Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the preamble be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. The Chai r man: It has been moved that the Bill be reported to …
It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. The Chai r man: It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. Any objections to that motion? No objections.
Bermuda House of Assembly Agreed to.
[Gavel] [Motion carried: The Companies Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Committee of the w hole House and passed as amended.]
House resumed at 8:41 pm
[Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Members, the second reading of the Companies Amendment Act 2017 has been approved as amended. And we move on to Order No. . . . Order No. 6 is carried over. So we move to Order No. 7 which is in the name of the Minister of Finance as …
Honourable Members, the second reading of the Companies Amendment Act 2017 has been approved as amended. And we move on to Order No. . . . Order No. 6 is carried over. So we move to Order No. 7 which is in the name of the Minister of Finance as well, Minister Richards.
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SECOND READING
BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AMENDMENT ACT 2017
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 be now read a second time.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections to that? Please carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Bill, entitled the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017, is to put into place additional components of a framework for the audit profession activities in Europe. The Bill represents the final …
Any objections to that? Please carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Bill, entitled the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017, is to put into place additional components of a framework for the audit profession activities in Europe. The Bill represents the final legi slative commitment given by the Government to the EU Commission to comply with Directive 2006/43/EC dated 17 of May 2006, otherwise known as the EU Audit Directive, as amended from time to time. Mr. Speaker, Article 45 of the Audit Directive requires EU Member states to register non- EU aud itors that conduct audits in entities which have their securities listed and traded on regulated markets in the EU. If there are no arrangements in the non- EU country for auditor oversight, which are equivalent to the Audit Directive, then the Directive requires me mber states to apply their regulatory requirements to non-EU auditors. Mr. Speaker, the EU Audit Directive aims at high level, though not full harmonisation, of audit r equirements. The objective of the Directive is to impose stricter requirements on public interest entities, given that they have a higher visibility and are economically more important. The Act applies to public interest ent ities and public interest entity public accountants. Public inter est entities are abbreviated, Mr. Speaker , with an acronym called PIE —P-I- E. So when you hear me talking about PIE this and PIE that, we are not talking about that thing that in mathematics which has to do with circles; we are talking about public interest entities, all right? So, Mr. Speaker, and the term the “PIE public accountant” is defined to mean “a public accountant or audit firm that is registered under [the Act] to audit the financial statements of [public interest entities].” Sec-tion 2 of the Act defines the term “Public Interest Ent ity” to mean “an entity that is audited by a PIE public accountant and that is listed and traded in securities on any stock exchange in the European Union me mber states or such other jurisdictions as the Minister may b y order specify.” Mr. Speaker, the main objective of the Bill is to further improve the supervision of auditors and the coordination of audit supervision in and from within Bermuda. The Bill concludes the legislative requir ements given [to] the Government of Bermuda [by] the EU. Accordingly, the definition of the term “Public I nterest Entity” will be amended by providing for five types of entities that are audited by PIE public accountants as follows: 1. Entities listed and trading securities on the Bermuda Stock Exchange as a domestic i ssuer. This provision meets the requirement to consider all entities listed and trading on a regulated market. 2. Entities listed and trading securities on any stock exchange in the European Union or in the European Union member states or such other jurisdiction as the Minister by order may specify. This provision is already set out under section 2 of the principal Act. It meets the r equirement to consider all entities governed by the law of EU member states and listed on a regulat ed market. 3. Entities licensed as a deposit -taking business under the Banks and Deposit Companies Act 1999. This category meets the requirement to consider all credit institutions, whether listed or not. For the purposes of Bermuda law, it was determined that this provision would i nclude the banking and deposit -taking sector only. 4. Entities registered under the Insurance Act 1978 as follows: a Class 4 or Class E insurer; a Class 3A, Class 3B, Class C, or Class D i nsurer, where such insurer underwrites more than 10 per cent of its business by premium 1516 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly volume in the retail business. This provision meets the requirement to consider all insurance undertakings regardless of whether they are listed or not and regardless of whether they are life, non- life, insurance or reinsu rance undertakings. For the purposes of the Bermuda model captive insurers have been excluded from this requirement. 5. Entities authorised as an investment fund u nder the Investment Funds Act 2006 and listed and trading securities on the Bermuda Stock Exchange. This provision meets the requir ement to consider all entities listed and trading on a regulated market. Mr. Speaker, there are no precise thresholds set at the EU level, which allows Bermuda to retain a measure of discretion in framing the oversight regime, provided always that the same outcomes in terms of investor protection and consumer protection are achieved. Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, except for ent ities listed and traded on the stock exchange of an EU member state, the list of entities set out above that have a shareholder equity that is, or net assets that are valued at less than $10 million pursuant to the entity’s lasted audited financial statements will be excluded from the definition of the term a “public interest entity.” Mr. Speaker , there are presently four PIE public accountants registered under the Act —Deloitte, EY, PwC, and KPMG —providing audit services to six public interest entities. With this amendment the num-ber of PIE public accountants is unlikely to change, but the number of public interest entities is expected to increase to 65. Mr. Speaker, if the EU Commission together with the EU member states reach a conclusion that Bermuda’s audit oversight systems guarantee, on the whole, similar high quality supervision, it will be c onsidered equivalent and Bermuda’s auditors and audit firms would benefit from simplified oversight proc edures when auditing entities in Europe. If Bermuda fails to obtain equivalency, audited entities may need to switch to a European auditor registered in the EU and/or report to audit oversight bodies based in all of the jurisdictions where they do business. Mr. Speaker, the main principle underlying any equivalence exercise is not to reproduce the identical provisions of the EU law, but rather to secure t he same outcomes in terms of consumer and investor protection. The Bill not only increases the regulatory scope of the Bermuda Public Accountability Board by way of a framework that makes sense for Bermuda, but it also aims to improve statutory audit quali ty in general through more sectors of the economy. Ber-muda benefits by having its own legislative regime with the aim of having it recognised by the EU. Mr. Speaker , I wish to express my sincere thanks to the Bermuda Public Accountability Board, CPA Bermuda, the attorneys in the Attorney General’s Chambers, EU Advisor Alastair Sutton, and the Regulatory Unit within the Ministry of Finance for their assistance in this matter. Mr. Speaker , I now invite Honourable Members to comment. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Finance Minister, D. Burt. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker , and I thank the Minister for his brief on this particular item. Mr. Speaker , I have …
Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Finance Minister, D. Burt. You have the floor.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker , and I thank the Minister for his brief on this particular item. Mr. Speaker , I have some familiarity with this particular piece of legislation as, when I served in another place, I had the responsibility of piloting this r ather large and complex piece of legislation, which is rather boring for most people when dealing wi th it, and there were lots of different —
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: No, it is not riveting at all, Mini ster of Home Affairs; it is incredibly boring. But as the Minister of Finance indicated, it is incredibly important. And as we found ourselves the last time that we were in this place —last week, Friday —talking about changes to legislation which were required to ensure that Bermuda remains a jurisdiction of choice for international business, these are the type of items which we have to do. I appreciate the Minister for [providing] his brief. I understand the research that has taken place and the work that was required to get us to this point and this measure will enjoy the support of the Oppos ition.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you. Thank you, Leader of the Opposition. Any other Honourable Member care to speak? Then the Chair will recognise the Minister, Minister Richards. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be committed.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerIt has been moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? Deputy, if you will please take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 8:50 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL Bermuda House of Assembly BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The ChairmanChairmanMembers, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 . I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think that …
Members, we are now in Committee of the whole House for further consideration of the Bill entitled Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 . I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think that I would like to move all clauses, which are— The Chairman: One through 3? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: —1 through 3. [Clause] 3 was just very long.
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any objections to that m otion? No objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Clause 1 is the citation . Clause 2 amends section 2 of the Interpret ations. This clause states that the principal Act is amended in section 2— the Interpretation …
Are there any objections to that m otion? No objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Clause 1 is the citation . Clause 2 amends section 2 of the Interpret ations. This clause states that the principal Act is amended in section 2— the Interpretation provision— by repealing the definition of the term a “ [Public] Interest Entity” and substituting it with a provision st ating that the term has the meaning as provided in pr oposed section 2A. Clause 3 inserts into section 2A the meaning of a “[Public] Interest Entity” or “PIE.” The definition of the term Public Interest Entity is presently defined to mean an entity that is audited by a PIE public a ccountant and that is listed and traded in a securities exchange of any stock exchange in the European U nion—either European Union or European Union member state— or in such other jurisdiction as the Minister may by order specify. I t is proposed to amend the definition by providing for five types of entities that are audited by PIE public accountants as follows: • Entities listed and trading securities on the Bermuda Stock Exchange as a domestic i ssuer. For the purposes of the Bermuda Stock Exchange a “domestic issuer” means an entity that is incorporated or otherwise established in Bermuda, but which is not an exempted company. • Entities that are listed and trading securities on any stock exchange in the European Union member states or other jurisdiction as the Minister may specify. • Entities licensed as deposit -taking business under the Banks and Deposit Companies Act 1999. • Entities registered under the Insurance Act 1978 as follows: a Class 4 or Class E insurer; or Class 3A, Class 3B, Class C, or Class D insurer (where such insurer underwrites more than 10 per cent of its business by premium volume in the retail business). The term “retail business” is defined to mean the business of selling insurance products that are designed for and bought by individuals pursuant to sec-tion 30JA(2) of the Insurance Act 1978. • Entities authorised as an investment fund u nder the Investment Funds Act 2006 which are listed and trading securities on the Bermuda Stock Exchange. Subclause (3) also gives the Minister power to amend or vary the definition of the term “[Public] Interest Entity” or “PIE” in such manner as he deems appropriate.
In addition to the above, for all of the entities cited above, except for entities listed and trading on the stock exchanges of EU member states have a shareholders’ equity that is, or net assets that are, valued at less than $10 million pursuant to the entities last audited financial statements the new section 2A also makes provision excluding them from the defini-tion of the term a “Public Interest Entity.” That is all we have insofar as the clauses, Madam Chairman, and I would like to invite Honourable Member s to participate. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 3? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: And I thank the Minister for reading the wonderful long Explanatory Memorandum. I had read it prior to this debate and we have …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to any of the three clauses? There are no other Members. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I would like to move clauses 1 through 3.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] 1518 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I would …
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the Preamble be approved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Commi ttee of the …
It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Commi ttee of the whole House and passed without amend-ments.]
House resumed at 8:55 pm
[Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member s. The second reading of the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 has been a pproved. And we now move to Order No. 8, the second reading of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017, in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister of F inance, …
Thank you, Honourable Member s. The second reading of the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 has been a pproved. And we now move to Order No. 8, the second reading of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017, in the name of the Minister of Finance. Minister of F inance, you have the floor.
BILL
SECOND READING
CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2017
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 be now read the second time. The Speaker: Any objections to that? Carry on, please, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker , Honourable Members are r equested now to give consideration to the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017. The Bill proposes to amend the Customs Tariff Act 1970 with measures that: 1. Raise revenue for the Government; 2. Create a new lower duty rate for goods for lo-cal commercial manufacturing; and 3. Provide more comprehensive energy related duty relief.
These meas ures affect the principal Act and the First and Fifth Schedules thereto. Mr. Speaker , I will now comment in detail on the various measures of the Bill. I begin with those amendments that are directed at raising revenue for the Government. In the Budget Statement in support of the E stimates of Revenue and Expenditures for 2017/18, I mentioned my intention to increase the Customs Duty revenues to yield $223.7 million, or 21.5 per cent, of total government revenues. After further post -budget consultation with the retail sector some of the original proposals have been amended. The revised proposed changes in import duties are as follows: • All current 8.5 per cent Duty Rates are to be increased to 10 per cent; • All current 10 per cent Duty Rates are to be increased to 12.5 per cent (which was prev iously 15 per cent); • All current 12.5 per cent Duty Rates are to be increased to 15 per cent; • All current 22.25 per cent Duty Rates are to be increased to 25 per cent (and that was previously proposed to be 28 per cent); • All current 33.5 per cent Duty Rates are to be increased to 35 per cent.
As I promised in the Budget Statement the three lowest rates —0.0, 5.0, and 6.5 per cent —are to remain the same as they apply to goods such as pr escription drugs, fresh foods, and clothing, which are considered essential. These will avoid placing extra burdens on the least well -off. I expect that these increases in Duty Rates will increase Customs Duty by approximately $9.7 million. In the Budget Statement I also promised that imposed Excise Duties would also be increased to continue the process of increasing the revenue yield of indirect taxes. These increases in specific Excise Duties on alcohol, tobacco, and petrol would increase revenue by approximately $14.24 million. Accordingly , duty is to increase on: • gasoline from $0.70 to $0.75 per litre; • on kerosene from $0.30 to $0.35 per litre;
Bermuda House of Assembly • on diesel from $0.50 to $0.55 per litre; • on fuel oils from $0.33 to $0.38 per litre.
For the avoidance of doubt , I should mention that the concessionary rates on fuel for the Bermuda Hospitals Board, the hotels, and BELCO will remain unchanged. Mr. Speaker, duty will also be increased: • on cigarettes by $0.10 from $0.27 to $0.37 per stick or $74.00 per carton of 200; • on beer by $0.62 from $1.26 to $1.88 per litre; • on cider by $0.20 from $1.68 to $1.88 per litre; • on wines by $1.52 from $3.18 to $4.70 per litre; and • on spirits and liquors by $2.12 from $29.23 to $31.35 per litre of alcohol.
Customs Duties for 2017/18 are now forecast to be $218 million. This has been increased by $4 mil-lion from the original plan before some relief was gi ven to the retail sector. The net effect of their changes is a $5.8 million decrease in expected revenue. I will now turn to the proposed new duty relief for goods of local commercial manufacture. Mr. Speaker, in the Budget Speech I reported that the latest jobs figures from the Department of St atistics show that, as of August, year over year there were 56 more jobs reported than the previous year. Despite this improvement and evidence of additional employment in the construction sector , I wish to pr ovide more impetus to that positive change. Specifical-ly, I wish to give the Ministry of Finance greater flex ibility in promoting manufacturing undertakings carried on in Bermuda, especially when the undertaking is likely to create new jobs and be of benefit to the gen-eral economy of Bermuda. Accordingly —
[Gavel]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerKeep it down a little, you guys. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Accordingly, the Bill pr oposes to introduce a new end- use duty relief for all goods imported for local commercial manufacturing with a low 5 per cent concessionary rate. Mr. Speaker, the new relief is intended as an …
Keep it down a little, you guys. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Accordingly, the Bill pr oposes to introduce a new end- use duty relief for all goods imported for local commercial manufacturing with a low 5 per cent concessionary rate. Mr. Speaker, the new relief is intended as an alternative to Customs Duty Special Remission O rders which are restricted to undertakings not com-monly carried out in Bermuda. Any local manufacturer of goods will be able to apply for their manufacturing undertaking to be designated, by notice in the G azette, as an approved business and benefit from the concessionary 5 per cent rate. For the avoidance of doubt, the existing manufacturing- related remission orders for the Bermuda Perfumery and the Bermuda Clayworks Ltd. will continue in force until expiring, whereupon those manu-facturing undertakings will be made approved organi-sations for the purposes of relief. Mr. Speaker, the following manufacturing undertakings are to be excluded from the relief: a) preparation of foodstuffs; b) manufacture of alcoholic beverages; c) manufacture of products containing tobacco or tobacco substitutes.
Thes e kinds of manufacturing already enjoy other kinds of Customs concessions and arrang ements. Mr. Speaker, I now progress to the measures of the Bill that provide energy -related duty relief. The Bill proposes to zero rate electric motor vehicles for the transport of goods, (which is currently 12.5 per cent) and electric vehicles for the transport of 10 or more persons (currently 33.5 per cent). These measures are intended to encourage the importation and use of more environmentally friendly means of transportation. Mr. Speaker, the Bill also proposes to intr oduce three new end- use duty reliefs in the Fifth Schedule to the principal Act providing 100 per cent duty relief in respect of: 1. renewable energy systems; 2. the L.F. Wade International Airport utility scale photovoltaic installation; and 3. lithium ion batteries for electric vehicles.
Mr. Speaker, the proposed relief for renew able energy systems relief is designed to provide more comprehensive coverage than the existing renewable energy -related reliefs. Current reliefs do not account for changes in technology, for example, micro-inverters, without which a solar PV panel would be far less effective. Nor are replacement parts and acces-sories for renewable energy systems covered by existing relief. Accordingly, the new relief includes all goods imported for and incorporated in any renewable energy system including integrated energy storage systems. Mr. Speaker, separate duty relief is proposed for goods imported for the development of the L.F. Wade International Airport utility scale solar photovol-taic installation. In this way the costs of that project can be reduced. This will, in turn, help to ensure that the energy delivered will be at the lowest possible price, which will be beneficial to all residents and businesses in Bermuda as it will be reflected in the energy price that all BELCO customers pay. Mr. Speaker, the proposed duty relief for lithium ion batteries for electric vehicles is designed to encourage more residents to purchase and use 100 per cent electric vehicles. At present the duty rate for electric vehicles is 0.0 per cent, however, the r eplacement batteries attract a 33.5 per cent duty rate. This higher rate of batteries has contributed to a situa-tion where the landed replacement cost of such bat-teries can represent up to 40 per cent of the original price of the vehicle. This makes the prospect of i m1520 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly porting electric vehicles less attractive and makes the replacement of the batteries in imported electric vehicles economically unfeasible. Without this kind of r einvestment such vehicles may be rendered inoper able. Mr. Speaker, the Bill also seeks to amend existing end- use relief of CPC 4130 which is electrical generating equipment to include under “qualifying goods” air quality monitoring instruments and assoc iated equipment. This extension to the relief is inten ded to help further minimise the cost of electricity pr oduction at BELCO. Honourable Member s may be aware that the Environmental Authority and the D epartment of Environment and Natural Resources cu rrently require BELCO to operate two ambient air moni toring stations and associated equipment as a condition of their operating licence under the Clean Air Act 1991. BELCO is required to monitor a range of pollutants as listed in the Clean Air Regulations 1993 at sites at Cemetery Lane and at the top of Langton Hill. The purpose of the air quality monitoring at BELCO is to ensure that the outside air that people breathe in areas predicted to have the highest impact on the BELCO stacks are compliant to the safe limits stipulated in the Clean Air Regulations 1993. Finally, Mr. Speaker, the Bill contains a number of housekeeping measures and makes certain consequential amendments. These further hous ekeeping amendments of the Bill are various in nature: 1. to repeal obsolete end- use relief; 2. amend provisions concerning the obligation to pay duty upon diversion; 3. update the Customs Tariff with the 2017 amendments to the International Harmonised System of nomenclature; 4. insert in the Customs Tariff a number of new tariff codes as recommended by the World Customs Organisation to assist in the global monitoring of goods used to produce and use improvised explosive devices (or IEDs); and 5. amend the Customs Duty (Special Remission) Act 1951 by repealing the provision concer ning the disposal of locally manufactured goods.
I will comment further in detail on these matters when we move into Committee and right now, Mr. Speaker , I invite Honourable Members to comment. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Minister of Finance. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, as would be a f amiliar theme for this evening, however, I believe this might be …
Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition, the Shadow Minister of Finance. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, as would be a f amiliar theme for this evening, however, I believe this might be the last revenue raising measure that we have to deal with during this budget session. I may be mistaken, the Minister might come up with another tax. However, it should be noted, as I said, Mr. Speaker , that we are five for fiv e. So five out of the revenue bills that came to this House . . . all five had to be amended, and here we are, once again, amend ing yet another Bill that was supposed to be carefully thought out during a budget process from a Minister of Finance who al-ways prides himself or says that he is well prepared and the coun try is in safe hands. But the safe hands, Mr. Speaker, cannot put together a budget that can make it more than a few weeks without changes because we have seen a number of changes. And it might be symptomatic be-cause we have seen the same thing happen with the conservative Chancellor in the United Kingdom, you know, putting out a budget and then having to bac ktrack because of the unintended consequences or the lack of consultation that happened beforehand. But does anyone remember, Mr. Speaker , the Minister of Finance and the One Bermuda Alliance Government in the run- up to the last general election talking about reducing the cost of living? And here today we will see gasoline taxes increase by 50 per cent underneath his watch, Mr. Speaker, but we are talking about reducing the cost of living. It is exactly as the Chamber of Commerce said inflationary tax i ncreases . These increases will affect all of us. They will affect every last one of us, Mr. S peaker , and they will cause the position which we already hold . . . as being number one. We might as well take a victory lap now because we are certainly going to be the number one most expensive place to live after these tax increases come into effect, Mr. Speaker . That is the record of the One Bermuda All iance. That is the record of a Government that said they would reduce the cost of living but have only added to the pain of the man and woman on the street, as the Honourable Member from constituency 5 likes to say, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. They are the ones that are getting these increases in the cost of living. But here is the other thing, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI tell you, Honourable Member s, I do not like backs. I do not like backs at all. So if you ar e going to be in this House, I need to see your front, not your back. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker , what I would say also …
I tell you, Honourable Member s, I do not like backs. I do not like backs at all. So if you ar e going to be in this House, I need to see your front, not your back.
Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker , what I would say also is Mr. and Mrs. Smith should be like Mr. Gibbons because if Mr. and Mrs. Smith were like Mr. Gibbons, when there were tax increases that affected the retail operations, all you have to do is give a little call and say, We don’t like these. And it could be Mr. Gibbons or it could be Mr. Cooper —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberTrimingham’s. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Trimingham’s. We don’t have any Triming ham’s anymore. But it could be Mr. Cri sson— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: It could be Mr. Crisson. It could be a few people who sell a whole lot of goods that might …
Trimingham’s.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Trimingham’s. We don’t have any Triming ham’s anymore. But it could be Mr. Cri sson—
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: It could be Mr. Crisson. It could be a few people who sell a whole lot of goods that might have a whole lot of contacts with the One Ber-muda Alliance, that might give a whole lot of money to the One Bermuda Alliance, that says your political donations might be a little less if you put through this tax. And look how quickly it gets wound back. No need to march, no need to protest, no need to be pepper -sprayed, just pick up the phone and call and the Minister of Finance will rewrite his budget for you. That is what we have, Mr. Speaker , we see a rewriting of the budget for what the Minister termed in his statement “relief for the retail sector.” That is what he said. And I would invite him, when he finishes, if he can at least elaborate because he did not in his brief, what representations were made to him by the retail sector and why he felt the need to give relief to the retail sector and what were the reasons behind t hese particular changes, Mr. Speaker . Because it is interesting that there are many persons who have to seemingly protest and do wha tever they can to get the One Bermuda Alliance to lis-ten, but if you happen to be, I do not know, a Gibbons or a Crisson —
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: Pardon?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberBoyle’s. Hon. E. David Burt: Or Boyle’s. You can just get your taxes rolled back, real simple—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOr Dunkley. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Or a Dunkle y. I heard that one. I hear a lot of calling from the side. All I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, is those Ho nourable Members will have plenty of opportunity to get up and defend your Government’s record …
Or Dunkley. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Or a Dunkle y. I heard that one. I hear a lot of calling from the side. All I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, is those Ho nourable Members will have plenty of opportunity to get up and defend your Government’s record of raising the cost of living. Feel free! But while I have the floor, Mr. Speaker, I am going to make sure that people in this country understand what they are getting from a government who promised to reduce their cost of li ving. So the Honourable Member from constituency 28 who wants to chirp, maybe if you are Sousa as well you might want some additional relief. Now, Mr. Speaker, there is another issue that we have and in that particular case, Mr. Speaker , I think that it is also interesting that the Minister with the safe hands gave us a Budget Statement that stated that in the new unified tariff rates if you are in tariff band number 9, which was 25 per cent, your taxes — sorry —your rate will go to 35 percent. All of a sudden we now find out today that that was a mistake. It seems there are a lot of mistakes in this book, Mr. Speaker . Could it have been [due] to lack of consult ation? Could it have been through not thinking it through? Whatever it was, Mr. Speaker, we find our-selves a month away from the Budget presentation, once again, making major changes. Then, of course, we see the increase in Excise Taxes. Now, we already spoke about the 50 per cent increase in taxes underneath the One Bermuda Alliance watch—50 per cent, Mr. Speaker . So, 2012 . . . [there was] 50 per cent less tax than you will be paying on A pril 1 st on gasoline. And that affects everybody, Mr. Speaker. It affects ever yone who drives a bike or rides a bike, it affects ever yone who drives a car, it affects all of . . . Member from [constituency] 28, are you okay? I just want to make sure. Listen up; I have got some good stuff for you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member , speak to the— Hon. E. David Burt: It affects everyone who delivers items, Mr. Speaker, because if you are in the food business or if you are in any other business and all of a sudden the taxes on the gasoline that you use to transport items …
Honourable Member , speak to the— Hon. E. David Burt: It affects everyone who delivers items, Mr. Speaker, because if you are in the food business or if you are in any other business and all of a sudden the taxes on the gasoline that you use to transport items increases, that means you have to pass those on and those items get passed on and you see them when you go and pay for your —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberGroceries. Hon. E. David Burt: Or your milk. An Hon . Member: Your Cheerios. Hon. E. David Burt: Or your Cheerios at the store. So, Mr. Speaker , this is a challenge. And with these increased Excise Taxes one of the things which I spoke about before is we understand …
Groceries. Hon. E. David Burt: Or your milk. An Hon . Member: Your Cheerios. Hon. E. David Burt: Or your Cheerios at the store. So, Mr. Speaker , this is a challenge. And with these increased Excise Taxes one of the things which I spoke about before is we understand that the Go vernment will say, All right, let’s put in a new sin tax because that is an easiest thing to tax. But, Mr. Speaker , we are in the tourism bus iness. Now, we already have a reputation for being number one most expensive place in the world. But if we are now going to add additional insu lt to injury and raise the taxes on beer in one step by 50 per cent, how does that look when the Honourable Member from [constituency] 28 will invite all of his friends down for Bermuda Carnival and they have to pay extortion amounts to have a beer while t hey are out on the road? If we are trying to be in the tourism industry, and it is exactly as I had said before, Mr. Speaker , when we were in Government we held back the i ncreases on alcohol for the plain and specific reason . . . understanding that we are in the tourism business. 1522 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly And if you want persons to come here and enjoy themselves and have a little drink sometimes, then you do not want them to pay an arm and a leg and go home and say, Yeah, well, Bermuda was nice, but it was too expensive. We already have a reputation for being too expensive, let us not make it worse. So Members on that side of the aisle will have an opportunity to consider amendments coming from this side of the aisle that will reduce that burden. B ecause if we are serious about tourism and if we are serious about making sure that the growth which we have had in tourism is sustained, if we are serious about ensuring that the new younger visitors that the BTA is lauding that they are attracting can come here and continue to come here, then we should not make it a more expensive jurisdiction if they want to have a drink. Now, Mr. Speaker, again, the Minister referenced in his speech regarding the unchanged rates to BELCO and to the Bermuda Hospitals Board and to the hotels. But in the same fell swoop, where certain dutiable items might be increased for the hotel and their cost will go up, in the same swoop, where we have taken away payroll tax benefits to hotels, we have also not done anything about their costs. And we know that our hotels are having a challenge. And a few years ago the Minister of Finance again increased the taxes on the fuel that is paid [ by] hoteliers by 50 per cent. And we all know that hoteliers . . . one of their main items, one of their main items, is the cost of energy. So we have a choice to make, Mr. Speaker . We have to question as to whether or not we are rea lly serious about tourism and we have to recognise and understand that every effect has another effect. So when you get a call from a Gibbons or a Cooper or a Crisson or a Sousa to talk about the retail rates and the duty, the additional duty which you are being charged, and then you decide that you are going to lower their duty, but you have to find somewhere else to make up for it, so you decide to say, Let’s raise taxes on beer by 50 per cent , understand that has an impact. And it has a really large impact if we are trying to market Bermuda as a fun destination where you can come and enjoy yourself. And those, Mr. Speaker, are some of the items which we have an issue with. Now, here is what I will say, Mr. Speaker . I support the Government and HM Customs for their moves to try to simplify the tariff structure, or as they call [it], “harmonise” the tariff structure. But as we see, the best intentions may not have actually made it to the place where we want to go. And so we see some changes and we see the Government pulling back on some items. I look forward to discussing more of these particular specific items in Committee, Mr. Speaker , and as I said, we will be offering amendments for the Government to consider. But at the end — [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Members, you know, do I have to ask people not to speak out loud? I do not mind people speaking, but not so I can hear you. Carry on please, Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, we will have further discussion, …
Honourable Members, you know, do I have to ask people not to speak out loud? I do not mind people speaking, but not so I can hear you. Carry on please, Leader.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, we will have further discussion, of course, inside of Committee on these particular items. But at the end of the day, Mr. Speaker , [for] the fifth time there are two things that are the same: 1) this Government is increasing the cost of living for everyday Bermudians; and 2) the Minister who pr ofessed to have safe hands . . . his hands are not safe enough to write a budget that can last for a month. Thank you, Mr. S peaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Member from constituency 29, MP Zane De Silva. You have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off where the Honourable Opposition Leader Burt finished and …
Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Member from constituency 29, MP Zane De Silva. You have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off where the Honourable Opposition Leader Burt finished and that is the lack of safe hands that we hear from the other side. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I submit that we are in slippery hands, not safe hands. Why do I say that? Mr. Speaker, 90 per cent of the proposals with regard to increases in taxes that the OBA —the Finance Mi nister—have brought to this House, 90 per cent have been brought back. Mr. Speaker, the Finance Minister and the OBA made a lot of noise with regard to the cents and minimal dollars that they would be putting in our peo-ple’s pockets with the rollback or deductions in payroll tax. But Mr. Speaker, what we are seeing tonight is . . . before they even get to realise a little savings out of the payroll tax relief, they are going to take it right back with the increases that we see here tonight. This from the Finance Minister, Mr. Speaker , that told our seniors that dollars don’t grow on trees .
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, money. Money . . . dollars . . . money doesn’t grow on trees . Okay, I will not misquote you ever again, Finance Minister. You told our seniors and they were quite offended when you told them money doesn’t grow on trees. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: No, they weren’t. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, they wer e offended.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: No, they weren’t.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member s. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, Mr. Speaker , I can assure you. I think I spend a little bit more time with seniors than the Honourable Finance Minister does and I can assure you the feedback is they were offended! They were offended by …
Honourable Member s. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes, Mr. Speaker , I can assure you. I think I spend a little bit more time with seniors than the Honourable Finance Minister does and I can assure you the feedback is they were offended! They were offended by that comment — [Gavel ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and it will be something that I think the Finance Minister will live to regret. Mr. Speaker, you know, I have seen in this House . . . I have been here 10 years now, and I have seen relief given to hotels. I have seen relief given to our retail sector. But you know what? I have never seen any relief to the construction sector, Mr. Speaker, nothing that we can shout about . . . at a ll. And the Honourable Member from constituency , I think, 28, Mr. Sousa, can certainly —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Honourable Member from consti tuency 28. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member from constituency 28, I am sure, would tell you that with his little experience in the construction industry he knows what I am talking about because we know that in the construction and landscape …
The Honourable Member from consti tuency 28. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member from constituency 28, I am sure, would tell you that with his little experience in the construction industry he knows what I am talking about because we know that in the construction and landscape area, Mr. Speaker , we have had no relief. And you know what? We are the ones, Mr. Speaker (I say “we” and I d eclare my interest) . . . we are the ones that hire and will be responsible for hiring many of those 4,000 people that are unemployed in Bermuda today. But we have not seen any reductions, any help from this OBA Government, Mr. Speaker. In fact —
[Inaudible interject ion]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, of course, Aecon did. I guess . . . are they construction guys? I guess they are because that is certainly what the OBA are hanging their hat on.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And Mr. Butt from S omers Construction, yes, he is certainly . . . yes, he is because of course we know that Mr. Butt is also a director and shareholder of Aecon. Oh, yes, Mr. Speaker . Now, Mr. Speaker , now what gives me great concern . . . and I will talk about a few things, but let us stick on construction for a moment. In that if you look at what the Minister proposed tonight and he says the current 33.5 per cent rates will raise from 33.5 [per cent] to 35 per cent, Mr. Speaker , that i ncludes parts, parts for equipment, parts for vehicles. And let us stick to equipment, Mr. Speaker , for just a moment. You know what business I am in. Eve-rybody in this House knows what business I am in, Mr. Speaker . That 1.5 per cent [increase] on equipment and parts, Mr. Speaker, is huge. It is already the lar gest, or one of the largest —because I think importation of cars is the largest —but it is one of the largest duties inflicted on companies in this Island. And we have had no relief, Mr. Speaker, for 10 years —none since 2008. I have watched concessions out of the ying- yang in this House, Mr. Speaker, with regard to retail or bus iness owners, with regard to hotel owners, but nothing for construction and we are the ones that hire these guys that are out of work!
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou need to declare your interest. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I declared my interest 10 times already.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHe already did. Wake up. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Come on, if you are going to . . . Minister, if you want to make that comment you had better pay attention. Stop sleeping. Wake up! Now, Mr. Speaker, if that is not bad enough that we are …
He already did. Wake up. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Come on, if you are going to . . . Minister, if you want to make that comment you had better pay attention. Stop sleeping. Wake up! Now, Mr. Speaker, if that is not bad enough that we are going to pay another 1.5 per cent on parts and equipment imported, we had this . . . and the Mi nister needs to explain to me, Mr. Speaker , because if you look at the tariff code 2710.192 it says, gas oils (diesel) from $0.50 to $0.55; and if you go down a couple of lines, Mr. Speaker , under tariff code 2710.202 it says, “gas oils (diesel)” again. Now, Mr. Speaker , I had to look this up because if you look in the Customs Tariff Act 1970 there is no difference be-tween the two. Now, I ask the Honourable Minister, you have to explain that to me and the people of this country, why you have two separate tariff codes that say the same thing on the document that he gave us to night and they say the same thing in the [Customs] Tariff Act 1970, Mr. Speaker , and maybe there is a logical reason for it, but he has got, gas oils (diesel) —in [round] brackets —$0.50 to $0.55. But Mr. Speaker , what really got my attention tonight was in 2701.202, gas oils (diesel) —in [round] brackets again, the exact same thing—from $0.37 to $0.55; that is a 50 per cent increase! Mr. Speaker, now someone who happens to be in the construction industry or excavation industry or demolition industry or trenching industry or land-scaping industry . . . and we deal with equipment on a day-to-day basis, whether it be trucks, lawnmowers, backhoes, track machines, the list goes on, my point is we are going to get slammed for 1.5 per cent on our parts and/or equipment and then . . . and I do not care which number you use, we are going to get slammed again because “gas oils (diesel),” under 2710.192, is from $0.50 to $0.55; then two lines down under 1524 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly 2710.202,“gas oils (diesel)” goes from $0. 37 to $0.55. Mr. Speaker , that is a 50 per cent increase. How the heck are we going to survive? So, Mr. Speaker , you will know on Friday I announced that last week Wednesday I gave all my employees a raise. So what is going to happen now, Mr. Speaker ? Now I have got a decision to make. Do I look at my labour costs? Do I look at my equipment costs? Do I look at my parts costs, Mr. Speaker, and make adjustments to my hourly rates? Or, Mr. Speaker, do I look at reducing my staff? In other words, Mr. Speaker , I am just one guy . . . how many people are going to look at these tariff increases and have to make these decisions because it is okay if you have two staff, but what happens when you have 12? What happens when you have 24? What happens if you have 50 or 100, Mr. Speaker ? Those cents become dollars that become tens of thousands of dollars, Mr. Speaker . And they used to tell us all the time, You haven’t quite thought it through? But yet the Finance Minister can bring back change after change after change because I do not think he has quite thought it through. Or maybe it is like my Leader says, maybe he received a few phone calls last week. Mr. Speaker, this is going to have a huge effect on businesses in this country. And as busines smen, I am sure you can appreciate, Mr. Speaker , if you had your business today and if you looked at some of these increases, depending on what business you were in, because I tell you what I have an occ asion to go out to dinner probably six nights a week —I do, I will put my hand up—and Mr. Speaker , I do that— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker , I do. My schedule is heavy, Mr. Speaker, and I cannot put my wife through cooking dinner nights after she has been working . . . my wife gets up at 5:30 in the morning with me, Mr. Speaker , sometimes 4:30—
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And that girl goes to work, Mr. Speaker. I cannot for the life of me . . . you know, that girl works 10, 12 hours a day, I cannot say, Honey, let’s go home, cook me a dinner. I have got to take her out for a little somethin’ somethin’, Mr. Speaker , give her a break. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And my honourable co lleague says I should try cooking. He would be happy to know I had my three grandchildren on Saturday night and I cooked them breakfast Sunday morning. So you will be happy to know that. [Inaudible interjection]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I did. And you know what, Mr. Speaker? Organic pancakes it was, but anyway we digress. [Inaudible inter jection s] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We digress, we digress, Mr. Speaker . But getting back to the going out for dinner . . . and there was a reason for that, Mr. Speaker , because if you look at the wine here, Mr. Speaker, under 2204.210 it says the price is going from $3.18 to $4.70. Now if my math is correct, Mr. Speaker , that is 48 per cent. Now, Mr. Speaker , I know you like to . . . well, I think you used to like to have a little glass of wine now and then. We all do. Mr. Speaker, it is not unus ual to pay $18 for a glass of wine. Not unusual. Now if you go out to Southampton Princess up to Jasmine Lounge, you will pay $22 for a glass of wine. Now, Mr. Speaker, $18 for a glass of wine, you throw in 17 per cent gratuities, that is another $3, so $21 for a glass of wine. And my colleague, I think it was the Honourable Opposition Leader Burt who said that here we are trying to increase tourism . . . we know the myth that Bermuda is the most expensive place to visit, and here we are . . . the former Touris m Minister who is here—the Independent Member now, of course—I will be waiting to see what he has to say about this because, certainly, he must not be happy that his tourists that he was trying to get to come to Bermuda, Mr. Speaker , will pay $21 for a glass of wine. And that is at a regular restaurant. I told you already they want $22 up at Jasmine Lounge, [and if] you put 17 per cent on that, Mr. Speaker, you are not getting any change from $25—no change from $25 for a glass of wine. Mr. Speaker, we had the World Par 3 Golf Tournament here this week that was held up at Southampton Princess. Now where do you think most of the visitors stayed? They stayed at Southampton Princess. Well, I know because I had a couple of cocktails with a few friends of mine up there, Mr. Speaker . And you know what? Those guys said, Man, I love this place, golf course is nice, the people are the most friendly people I have met in the world but, gee, man, your wine is expensive. Okay, Mr. Speaker ? That is before this increase. Now, Mr. Speaker , the other thing I think the Finance Minister said— and he can correct me, I stand to be corrected—he said diesel will not be increased for Bermuda Hospitals Board, hotels . . . and did he say BELCO? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He did say BELCO.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, okay. We can let BELCO off the hook because they are only going to pass it on to the customers like everybody else, Mr. Speaker . But . . . I mean . . . hospital? I guess. What are you going to do about the hospital. Okay. They are cutting all sorts of other costs now they are going to jam it up . . . you know . . . I do not know how they are going to make out, Minister, a $25 million cut this year and now you are not going to give them any increase in fuel, but I did take note of that. Now, Mr. Speaker, why does the Finance Mi nister not look at peeling back some of these costs and hit the duties that deserve to be hit, Mr. Speaker ? Sweets and candies, mayonnaise . . . I have talked about it a hundred times.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, mayonnaise. I know you guys like mayonnaise on your codfish. We talked about that. But, Mr. Speaker , look, we have some of the highest health costs on this Island.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, we . . . we . . . our Minister of Finance has got it wrong. He is taxing and increasing taxes in the wrong areas, Mr. Speaker , the wrong areas. Now, Mr. Speaker —
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I can chew gum and walk, it is okay. Mr. Speaker, let me say this, what we are looking at here tonight are increases that are going to hurt the business sector. But they will only hurt the business sector for a short time, Mr. Speaker , because what is going to happen is most of these bus iness sectors that are being hurt by these increases, you know what they are going to do — [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No . . . well, they may do that; they may lay off some people. But Mr. Speaker , do you know what they are going to do? It is easy. They are just going to increase the prices. Whether it is MarketPlace, whether it is Dunkley’s Dairy, whether it is Auto Solutions, or whether it is Island Construc-tion—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThere you are. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —we have to look at i ncreasing— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will tell you what. I will increase my price before I let go of staff. I have done that too, Mr. Speaker, I have to …
There you are.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —we have to look at i ncreasing—
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will tell you what. I will increase my price before I let go of staff. I have done that too, Mr. Speaker, I have to do it. I just wish that all those wealt hy customers that used to use me before I was PLP stuck to me and then they could pay for it. I lost a lot of those customers. But that is okay, Mr. Speaker . That is all right. That is okay. But Mr. Speaker, no, seriously speaking though, seriously speaking, what is going to happen is that everyone that owns a business that is affected . . . they are just going to pass it on. Do you think for a moment when you go get your next glass of wine around Ascots, Mr. Speaker , if that is where you ha ppen to be (I am just throwing a reference), do you think your next glass of wine after this is implemented is going to cost you $18? No sir. It is going to cost you an extra $3, Mr. Speaker. And then you put 17 per cent on top of that. That is how it works. And what is going to happen is our tourists that come to Bermuda and they go out for dinner . . . where they can go to a fairly nice restaurant in the States and they know that it is going cost $60 a head, in Bermuda it is . . . you know, the normal price per head, Mr . Speaker, is $100 when you go out for dinner. It is now going to be $110. It may creep up to $115 or $120. Do not dare buy a bottle or two of wine, Mr. Speaker , do not dare do it.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It should be cheaper. But they are even getting slick to that, Honourable Member, because now they even worked it out . . . I try and measure it out sometimes. I try and trick them. They have got it all worked out. Mr. Speaker, it used to be you buy a bottle of wine you know that . . . look, how many glasses — anybody answer —how many glasses of wine do you get to a bottle? Four?
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Four and a half. There it is. You see? But I tell you what, they have got it all worked out, Mr. Spe aker. You might as well just drink it by the glass because there is no savings anymore, Mr. Speaker . But, Mr. Speaker , I will tell you, seriously speaking, the Finance Minister I think has lost the plot. I think his policies over the last four years have co ntinued to fail year after year, they have continued to fail, Mr. Speaker. And you know what? Instead of li stening to Honourable Member Burt for his last two budget [replies], the last two [replies to the] Throne Speech we have talked about job creation and we have talked about diversification. Mr. Speaker , we cannot get rid of the deficit that we have every year by increasing taxes. It is not going to work. We have to generate more funds by increasing the business in 1526 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly this country and, the words that the Finance Minister likes to use, increase foreign exchange, Mr. Speaker . If you think you are going to do it through i ncreasing these taxes like we are seeing tonight, it is not going to happen. It is not going to happen, Mr. Speaker . We will suffer. Our people will suffer. You can give a payroll tax break all you like, but if you are going to give it today and you are going to take it away tomorrow, Mr. Speaker, what are we doing? So, Mr. Speaker , I am going to leave you on this note: The Minister and many of the Government Members that sit across the aisle, Mr. Speaker , like to talk about safe hands. The safe hands are becoming slippery hands more and more by the week. They are dropping the catch. Mr. Speaker, you will know when you sky that ball up in the air you are not going to survive, Mr. Speaker , but I tell you what, if you have the OBA over there you may because the safe hands are turning and have turned into slippery hands, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, MP Wayne Furbert. You have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, the One Bermuda Alliance prom ised this country in 2012 when they said, O ur mission is …
Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, MP Wayne Furbert. You have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, the One Bermuda Alliance prom ised this country in 2012 when they said, O ur mission is making Bermuda more affordable. They said, The high cost of living imposes a tremendous financial burden on Bermudian families. We will make Bermuda more affordable for them. Four years later will the public be able to say that it is more affordable for them or more expensive for them since 2012? Mr. Speaker, the cost of living index for Bermuda is the highest in the world— 146.19. The next closest to us is Switzerland 122.06; Iceland 111.71.
[Inaudible interjection]
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker , this is coming from Google. It is coming from an online search, Mr. Speaker , it is called a tele . . . tele . . . here it is, the word is down here, “telegraphy.”
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. No, no, I just like to know what the source is. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The highest in the world— 146.19— we have . . . I mean, we are in a league all by ourselves. All by ourselves. And it was the One Bermuda Alliance that promised …
All right. No, no, I just like to know what the source is. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The highest in the world— 146.19— we have . . . I mean, we are in a league all by ourselves. All by ourselves. And it was the One Bermuda Alliance that promised this country . . . it was them that promised this country —we will make it affordable for everyone. There must be some reason . . . there must be some way that we can make life much more affordable for Bermudians. We have not had a pay increase now . . . most Bermudians, 80 per cent of us have not had a pay increase since 2012 or even before that. I have guests comi ng to my place. Mr. Speaker, as you know I have a few vacation rentals. I take them to the MarketPlace down in Shelly Bay and they come out and say, How do you guys live? How do you guys live? By doing this, Mr. Speaker, there is no doubt . . . very soon w e will not be able to afford to die. That is tough. We will not even be able to afford to die b ecause our family has got to pay for a wake and that is . . . liquor is up, food is up. Do not die yet . . . I cannot afford to . . . wait until the PLP gets in so we can r educe that cost.
[Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Just hold on a little while longer because we are going to reduce that cost. B ecause Mr. Speaker , they will do a proper tax reform. That is my point. They will do a proper tax r eform to bring down the cost. But as long as this Go vernment is in, who are not thinking outside the box, they just plug these numbers in . . . let’s increase Customs Duties. And Mr. Speaker , let me just say this: I am very concerned, and everybody else should be concer ned, because we have had so many changes. And I mentioned it on Monday . . . Friday. We have had so many changes to the budget that I do not know where we stand now. No one in this House can tell us what the revenue budget is for 2017/18. There is no one. And we are going to be asked tonight, Mr. Speaker , to pass what? The final Budget?
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, that is even sadder . . . that is even sadder, country, because we pass som ething that no one knows . . . I am not even sure the Minister of Finance knows where we stand as far as total revenue. If he does, I wish he would come out and tell us. And what is the deficit? What will the deficit be? How much are we going to borrow for this year? It was $136 million, I think, that was projected. And we just . . . we just passed it. What did we pass? It is sad, Mr. Speaker, it is very sad. And the country should know that. We have a responsibility; we have to be accountable for raising revenue and expenditure. And we are te lling the country we passed a budget and we do not know what we passed. I should have come from Red Carpet earlier, down there with my good friend, —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberDrinking water. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert:—having Perrier and Rose’s lime. [Inaudible interj ection s and laughter ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, the only . . . one of the persons I see who is getting a good tax break here is the Premier Dunkley.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerStay away from personalities, Honourable Member . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well . . . well, they were cal ling names all night so I just thought —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerStay away from — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It says goods for local commercial . . . I know, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, yes, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Goods for local commerc ial manufacturing. Goods must be imported for and used only in local commercial . . . that is a tax break going down to 5 per cent. So these things here, Mr. Speaker, have to be a major concern …
Yes, yes, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Goods for local commerc ial manufacturing. Goods must be imported for and used only in local commercial . . . that is a tax break going down to 5 per cent. So these things here, Mr. Speaker, have to be a major concern for us. We have got the liquor going up, as my colleague says, is going to affect tourism overall. The numbers . . . not the numbers, but the cost of coming here . . . we have got departure tax going up, gone up, and going up again probably, and we are considering ourselves to be a jurisdiction that we are welcoming people? Mr. Speaker, the average Bermudian cannot even afford to live here hardly anymore. That is why they are going off to the mother country. They cannot afford to live here anymore. Who are we going to have left here besides the millionaires and bill ionaires? Probably that is what they want to happen, for the rest of you locals just go up to England and see the Queen. So the Minister here tonight brings changes in the Customs Duties which have a significant impact on the cost of living. And we wonder why our people out there are feeling depressed sometimes, tired, not knowing how they are going to actually afford to live in this country we call paradise. Mr. Speaker , I believe that the Minister has made some serious mistakes, with the ramifications on this budget that we just passed where nobody knows what the revenue is, nobody knows what the deficit is, nobody knows what we are going to borrow. It is a sad day here in this House. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 5, MP D. V. Burgess. You have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, the reduction in the payroll tax was certainly welcomed by all those that are …
All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 5, MP D. V. Burgess. You have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, the reduction in the payroll tax was certainly welcomed by all those that are going to save some money. In fact, for somebody making $48,000 a year it would be approximately about $11.50 reduction a week. But that will not go into ef-fect until about three months’ time. This [customs du-ty] effect will take place April the 1 st. If I have got it wrong, the Minister will correct me, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, when you consider the price of gas, I think gas is just over $8 a gallon, and that is going up by 52 per cent. You know, that $11.50 is gone if you fill that tank up. Plus, Mr. Speaker , the cost of food will go up; it is guaranteed to go up because when the super-markets move their foods from the docks to their shop, they move it by truck. Trucks need gas and that will be passed on to the customer. We are not getting a reduction; we are getting an increase, Mr. Speaker . And when you take up wine, wine is recommended for medicinal purposes.
[Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: One glass a day . . . ask my . . . where is the Minister for . . . yes, one glass a day. That is all I have. If you want to keep those arteries clean, that is what red wine does. That is one thing they recommend. The doctor will tell you that, you know. And even in the churches they give you . . . not even a glass, but it is pretty strong, you know. At my church they give grape juice and that is probably not good for you because that certainly is going to spike your sugar. I am working on that to fix that in the church, at AME church, Mr. Speaker. But, Mr. Speaker , with these increases when . . . when . . . if you have somebody [making] $48,000 a year as opposed to somebody making $150,000 a year, it really does not matter too much you know b ecause you have got excess cash. But with these i ncreases to Mr. and Mrs. Smith, this is dramatic to them. A lot of things they are not going to be able to afford, Mr. Speaker. And then for the . . . what we call the poor man’s cocktail in summertime is a beer. Beer is going up by 49 per cent. Many of our friends have at carny games and regular cricket games . . . that is what they do. I would rather they drink a beer than drink something that is 151 proof, you know, because sometimes that high octane fuel gets into some other parts of the body and does some foolish things, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, you know, when we think of those employees that have not had an increase in five to six years, and their weekly deductions have i n1528 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly creased substantially in double- digit figures — increased . . . I know the unions . . . thank God for the unions. They are trying to get an increase this y ear. But I know the Honourable E. T. is not going to give them the increase that they deserve to match the ex-penses that they are paying for this budget, let alone the six years they have not had an increase. Mr. Speaker, the Government said in the Budget Statement, We want to help, but there is really no room to move or manoeuvre. Well, they are moving on our people by increasing the cost of living to them whilst those folks that report millions of dollars of profit get exemptions. And I understand about trying to keep businesses going to keep people employed, but nobody gives breaks to the employee, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, with the gas prices going up, even rum cakes are going to be increased.
[Inaudible interjection] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, rum cake, Mr. Speaker , right on here. We had some outside today courtesy of the Horton’s cake firm, Mr. Speaker .
[Laughter]
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But you know that is going to cost . . . you are probably not going to make it anymore after this , Mr. Speaker .
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Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: It would be much too expensive, Mr. Speaker, but this Government can find millions of dollars to give away in legal fees when they have got an Attorney General’s Chambers out there that can do the same work. As I said Friday night, it is either the Attorney General’s Chambers are short of talent or they are not trusted to do the work that they are paying millions of dollars to law firms and these people are raking in millions . . . hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses, Mr. Speaker . Mrs. Smith is not getting a bonus like that. In fact, what Mrs. Smith gets is maybe 40 weeks of work a year. Mrs. Smith does not stand a chance with this OBA Budget, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I guess when you give a way $20 million in head tax, and the Honourable Shadow Mi nister of Finance and Leader of the great PLP party has said, You have got to replace that with something . Why do you always call on poor people to make up the difference when they cannot even make up differ-ences in their expenses at home? Why is it always the poor people that have to pay? Mr. Speaker, let me say this here. If you take care of poor people in any country, your country becomes safer. If you do not take care of them, they do some desperate things in order to survive and feed the family. We do not advocate that. We do not con-done that, but you know a lady . . . I was out last week talking to a lady and she says, If I can’t feed my fam ily, I’m gonna break in your house and take your food. I understand that. I am not advocating that, I am not condoning that, but that is what desperate people do, Mr. Speaker . So, Mr. Speaker , just like those six people from Front Street called the Minister to say, Look, you’ve got to ease up on me, all right ? Listen to us. Listen to us. We . . . the people . . . they deserve to be heard also, Mr. Speaker . But not only that, Mr. Speaker, you know, right now you go away; you come back home they charge you 22.5 per cent for most items. That is going up by 11 pe r cent, from 22.5 per cent to 25 per cent. . . 11 per cent, Mr. Speaker . Everything is going up. Some rates are even going up . . . the current 10 per cent rates are going up to 12.5 per cent. That is a 25 per cent increase. And people . . . it seems like they sit down, Oh, let’s put these things together and we’ll give it to the peasants. They’ll pay for it. They’re used to suffer-ing. They know what suffering is. We can send John-ny to school with no sandwiches on Mondays and Tuesdays and he’ll just have sandwiches three days a week . . . lunch three days a week. We can do that. They’re used to suffering. That is not the way we should be looking. That is not how we should be practi cing. We should be practicing so that all our people can afford, because most people in this country want to be able to feed their families in pride and dignity. Not that they got to go to school where somebody has got to supply lunch and breakfast for their children. They want to do that themselves. A lot of Bermudians have to swallow their pride and take that. But we should not be putting our people in that position, particularly when you have a lot of people in this country making a lot of money and getting bonuses at a time when nobody is even getting a rate increase in their pa y. Mr. Speaker, I would urge this Government — they need to start governing for all the people of this country, not just some, because a PLP Government will govern for everybody. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 31, the Learned Member, MP Crockwell.
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellThank you, Mr. Speaker . We have heard some passionate speeches tonight, some humorous speeches as well. It is a ser ious issue, and the Government finds itself in a conundrum. It found itself in a conundrum some years ago and it is going to be difficult to really strike …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker . We have heard some passionate speeches tonight, some humorous speeches as well. It is a ser ious issue, and the Government finds itself in a conundrum. It found itself in a conundrum some years ago and it is going to be difficult to really strike that ba lance. We know that it has attempted to cut expenses
Bermuda House of Assembly the best way it could without laying off civil servants. I think it has pretty much cut to the bone and there is not much more that can be cut, and so the other way is to look to increase revenue. We heard, I believe on last year’s budget, the Finance Minister was lamenting the fact that revenues are soft. And so, the question then becomes, What is the best way? What is the most appropriate way to increase revenues? And, you know, we have heard some interesting comments. I think some compelling comments as well. I can tell you I had an interesting experience, a sobering experience, because I think sometimes we in this Honourable House take some things for granted. We come here, we say certain things, and I b elieve we are saying it from the heart, you know. But then, you know, most of us here are professionals and we have day jobs in addition to being here on a Monday night at ten o’clock at night. But we do not actually feel the challenge sometimes and the pain that some of our people are living. I was actually at MarketPlace not too long ago, just a few weeks ago. I walked in and I noticed a lady with children there shopping. She had a co ncerned and perplexed look on her face. She was literally counting every single item that she was going to purchase and she caught my attention. So I watched her and she would pick up something, look at the price and put it back. She had a child who was grab-bing for this and grabbing for that, and she had to say no, no, we cannot get that. And it was such a difficult thing to see—this woman trying to figure out what she could buy whe n we normally go into a grocery store and just get whatever we want. We do not really think about it. But every single item was being calculated. And then when she got to the checkout she was still over. And I saw, again, a look of embarras sment. And, you know, it could have just been coinc idence, fate, I just happened to be behind her and she turned to me and she said . . . she knew who I was and asked for a few dollars, and I obliged. And I was happy to do so. But that is the reality. You have people go ing into supermarkets not knowing if what they have in their pocket can purchase the groceries that they need. So how do we actually achieve the right ba lance? And that is the difficulty, because we are an expensive . . . I know people that go to gas stati ons in their car and put $10 in their car —on a regular basis, $10! And we think it is crazy, but that is what they can afford so that is what they put in their car. I know people who borrow . . . it sounds crazy. If you have to borrow money to put gas in your car, you should not have a car. But then if you have got, you know, a parent that has children, they need a car. But they do not drive it sometimes because they can-not put gas in the car. These are realities in Bermuda 2017. And it is funny because there is a segment of Bermuda that has no idea about that reality. Have no idea at all about that reality. But that reality exists and so, you know, how is it that we can strike that right balance? So I sympathise. I have said for the entire four years of this administration that the one job that I would not want is the job of Minister of Finance be-cause it is a difficult. You have to make difficult dec isions, and I know that his team has gone through this and they have tried to figure out where can we i ncrease revenues to pay for deficits to help the economy and help Bermudians in the long run. But then, somehow, you know, we have to figure out what can you do in relation to short -term fixes as well. And I think that there were some compelling arguments. You talk about sin tax and you talk about what is more harmful. Let us be real. What is more harmful between beer and soft drinks? If you were really to sit down and say, which is more harmful —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSoft drinks.
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellIt is soft drinks by a mile! By a mile, Mr. Speaker. And do you know what? I found out after having to do some research in relation to my own health how, I mean, my brother, we joke all the time. I have never been a big drinker. So, …
It is soft drinks by a mile! By a mile, Mr. Speaker. And do you know what? I found out after having to do some research in relation to my own health how, I mean, my brother, we joke all the time. I have never been a big drinker. So, you know, my brother teases me all the time, I am a cheap date because, you know, I would only do two drinks and then thank you very much. Okay? But beer in moderation, Mr. Speaker, is actually good for you. It is actually good for you. And through my own research it has anti -cancer properties, it prevents dementia, it reduces the risk for cardiovascular disease. It has anti-inflammatory properties. It treats diabetes. It is a good aid for digestion and . . . you know, maybe it is an excuse for people to want to drink a beer. But the reality is it has healthy properties to it. I encourage everybody . . . we have our la ptops and our iPhones, research it. You will be shocked. And maybe try it if you have an upset stom-ach and see if it helps. But I guarantee you; you will not see that next to grape soda. You would not see all those positive attributes next to soft drinks. So there is a viable argument as to whether we are we taxing the right sin, if you want to view it as a sin. So, I thought — and, of course, as the Honourable Member from co nstituency 5, from the Bible Belt, you know, just said, you know, Jesus turned water into wine.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes, he did!
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellWe know that. So, clearly, wine has got to be okay, Mr. Speaker, in moderation. Again, do your research and look over to countries like France and see their incidence of heart disease —very low. Very low. And they attribute it to their wine consumption there. And there is also …
We know that. So, clearly, wine has got to be okay, Mr. Speaker, in moderation. Again, do your research and look over to countries like France and see their incidence of heart disease —very low. Very low. And they attribute it to their wine consumption there. And there is also this thing called the Blue Zone—there are areas all around the world known as the Blu e Zone areas where people live the longest. 1530 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly And it is very interesting. Many of those areas are a reas where they consume wine. They consume wine as part of their daily diet. So, these are things that do have a positive impact on one’s health. But I think the most compelling argument I heard tonight (and I am looking forward to seeing the amendment) is in relation to the increases that are going to be made on items that could have a deleter ious impact on tourists. And, you know, at a time when we are seeing an increase in tourism, we also saw contemporaneously an increase in taxes. We saw i ncreases in taxes at the airport. We saw an increase . . . now our departure tax is up to $78. So we saw two increases over the last couple of years. And, of course, the $16 airport improvement fee. So those are increases that are required to help support the airport development which I think is going to be good for Bermuda and for tourism as well. But we already had the executive of JetBlue sound his concern about the impact that these i ncreases may have on people coming to Bermuda. And again, we do not know but increasing these taxes on the items that we know tourists like to enjoy when they come here could also have an impact on their quality of stay and whether or not t hey wish to return. I thought there were compelling arguments, something that I think Government can take into consideration. I look forward to hearing what the amendment is. I assume the amendment is going to come in Committee. But if we can achieve that balance b ecause, you know, the concern is —and it is a co ncern—as to whether or not . . . I mean, even in terms of the concessions in the hotel industry. Again, under-standing the position of the Minister of Finance, can he afford to continue to offer these tax holidays to this industry? But then the inverse of that is, will these i ndustries be able to support not having the conces-sions. Mr. Speaker, only time will tell. But at a time when tourism seems to be on the rise, we want to be careful about making decisions on the other end that could, in effect, Mr. Speaker, have a negative impact on that improvement. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right, thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13, MP Diallo Rabain. You have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThank you, Mr. Speaker . Quite honestly, I was listening to the debate and I was not intending to speak, but I felt compelled because just listening to the speech reminded me of something. It reminded me of something from Febr uary 8 th, 2013. February 8th, 2013, was the …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Quite honestly, I was listening to the debate and I was not intending to speak, but I felt compelled because just listening to the speech reminded me of something. It reminded me of something from Febr uary 8 th, 2013. February 8th, 2013, was the first Throne Speech given by this Government. And the cover of that Throne Speech showed a picture of Tucker’s Town. It showed a picture of Tucker’s Town, and I remember that because I said, when I sat in another place, I said, I hope that a picture of Tucker’s Town is not a subliminal image of where this Government wants to take Bermuda back to. I said that. And when the Government came back in November and did their Throne Speech, that actually made the Throne Speech. I remember it, because I remember the Premier at the time making mention of that and saying no, we are not going back to that. So, Mr. Speaker, when I think about that Throne Speech back then, and I think about what was said, when it was said, this new Government believes it will find ways to encourage increased levels of c ooperation, trust, and loyalty amongst all sectors of the community. I remembered that because when the Honourable Member that just spoke, said that he would not want to be the Finance Minister because of the difficult decisions he has to make—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member , you know you are supposed to . . . when you get to the bar, you bow your head. You have been in this House long enough— An Hon. Membe r: Yes, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYou should be setting an example for everybody else. Carry on, Honourable Member .
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . When I think about what the Honourable Member who stood before me said when he said he would not want to be the Finance Minister because of the difficult decisions he has had to make and I be-lieve, I could be mistaken, I …
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . When I think about what the Honourable Member who stood before me said when he said he would not want to be the Finance Minister because of the difficult decisions he has had to make and I be-lieve, I could be mistaken, I want to quote, he said We have cut to the bone and now we have to do other things. But, Mr. Speaker, we have cut to the bone and all we have seen is a widening between the haves and the have- nots.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainSo, what else can we do? What else can we do to bridge that gap? And making it more difficult to live in Bermuda, financially, is not the answer. It cannot be the answer because it is just going to make that gap widen even more. Now, Mr. Speaker, we …
So, what else can we do? What else can we do to bridge that gap? And making it more difficult to live in Bermuda, financially, is not the answer. It cannot be the answer because it is just going to make that gap widen even more. Now, Mr. Speaker, we heard things thrown around like trust and loyalty amongst other sectors. We heard things like two Bermudas. We heard things like a widening gap. So, listening to the Opposition Leader speak the other day, and when we talked about the customs tariffs and the Bill was pulled, it made me think . . . it made me think, Mr. Speaker . It made me think that thousands of people have stood up and protested against the airport deal and were
Bermuda House of Assembly ignored by this Government; as a matter of fact, di smissed. Thousands of people signed a petition to say let us have a referendum on gaming and they were ignored by this Government. A few people called the Minister and said they were not happy with these customs tariffs and the Bill got pulled. Who does the Government work for? Who does the Government truly work for? The few people who can pick up the phone and call? Or the people who got pepper sprayed out here and did not get one visit from the leader of this country? And I stand to be corrected when questioned, the excuse was, What was the purpose of coming out? They would not have listened to me anyway . The people need to see their leaders right in the mix with them. I do not care what you are doing. They want to see that you know, un-derstand, and feel their pain. So, when the Finance Minister stood up and said money does not grow on trees, I have talked to the Finance Minister, he has his way of getti ng across his point. But it takes a different type of person to understand that what you are saying hurts. It might be right, it might be wrong. But there is a way to say things to people and not make them feel as if they do not count —especially the people that vote for you and expect you to lead from the beginning, from the front. Now, we talk about these taxes and we talk about these sin taxes. And I agree with the Honourable Member that spoke. Are we taxing the right thing? All we have to do is go back, I believe it was last year, the Honourable Minister of Health brought a report up here talking about the scourge of diabetes and how this is the number one killer and we need to go after it. The Premier has started an exercise campaign with all the schools. We see the pictures on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. Last week Friday, the Premier and a few Ministers, and candidates, were at West Pembroke with this fitness programme. But, why can we not tax these things to assist with those types of programm es? What is the reason why? I do not know but it could be their friends bring in some of that stuff. You know? You cannot tax that. You know, as a person who is diabetic I understand those challenges of fighting that and the, you know, if the chocolate bars cost more I probably would eat less than I do when I want to cheat. But, you know, we have to . . . there always has to be a fine balance between doing what needs to be done and doing what is right. Sometimes those two do not align and you have to figure out a way to get to some way where we can balance that, Mr. Speaker . We have heard lots of people talk and, you know, what really struck me was the story of being in a supermarket and seeing people who cannot afford . . . and I think, I hope we all can appreciate that story, because we see it. I have a constituent, Mr. Speaker , that I take dinner to, you know, on a regular basis. I call and he will say, Well, can you bring something because I just have not eaten. And, you know you feel . . . you feel for that. I cannot afford it, but I know I can go home and get something to eat, so with the few little dollars I have in my pocket I will try and get something. You know, that is what we are living with today and that is the reality of Bermuda. The people see two Berm udas—they see one where they do not have to worry about the everyday challenges, and they see another that is increasing that have nothing but stress in their lives. And, Mr. Speaker, if we are going to be a caring, a compassionate and loving Government, we need to really sit back and understand the things we do today have detrimental effect to the people who are not in here watching us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member —the Minister. Minister Patricia Gordon - Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would just like to make a couple of comments in contribution to this debate. …
Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member —the Minister. Minister Patricia Gordon - Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would just like to make a couple of comments in contribution to this debate. It is important to understand, Mr. Speaker, that as a Government our Finance Minister did not wake up one morning and decide, Let me see how I can make pe ople’s lives more difficult, in terms of the taxation that we have had to impose in order to go down the path towards balancing the budget. The reality is, Mr. Speaker, that we had $186 million worth of debt service that must be met before one dime of expenditure is made anywhere within the budget. You must meet the bank, if I can put it that way. So, we have to ask the question, What is the purpose of the taxes? Do we think that all we can do is to just go and have a look and see what somebody has in their purse and say, You’ve got enough so I will take out what we think that we need? I think we have to look across the spectrum and decide what is re asonable under the circumstances and how can we exact sufficient taxes so as not . . . Governments are not here to make profit. So we do not want to make a profit. We just want to make ends meet. We want to prevent the ability for further downgrades which would ultimately end up costing us more to finance the debt that we have. And I certainly heard very clearly the comments that came from Members opposite in terms of the impact that these taxes will have on some of our people. And we appr eciate that, Mr. Speaker . We appreciate that. But I think it is important, Mr. Speaker, to understand that the situation with respect to a def icit and what we are facing in terms of our debt is an accumulation of the sins of the past. And when we have spoken over the course of the past three or four years as we have dealt with financial matters in this 1532 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Honourable House and we have said things like , What would we be able to do if we had X, Y, Z? If we had the extra 6 or 8 or 10 or whatever million dollars that was spent at the Port Royal. What if we had the extra money that was spent on the Emissions Centre or the millions on the Berkeley Institute? And, notwithstan ding the fact that the Wharf has paid for itself over time, if we ended up saving the excess money between the $38 million that we thought it was going to cost and the $63–65 million that it actually did cost because the revenue that came in as a result of those ships doc king there, that would have been extra money in the kitty. So, Mr. Speaker, I understand. I think that every one of us certainly feels the pain. But when we have to sit and recognise that in order to make ends meet we have to be able to exact —if we had the level of sensitivity and concern from Members opposite when the coffers were being raided, then we would not be in this position with the level of deficit and debt that we are experiencing. And let me look at, Mr. Speaker, what it is that we need to do in order to i nfuse more money into our economy. We hear complaints and cynical comments concerning the airport. The airport is not a project that is going to be done just for the sake of saying that we want to have something that is vainglorious for our community. It is going to be an added attraction or an added, I am sorry, benefit in terms of travellers coming where they will not have to come off the plane and, yes, while some might consider it to be quaint, it could be quite dangerous when you come off the flight, as I did the early part of the week, where the wind was blowing, th e plane was rocking and you are coming down the steps and holding on for dear life and hoping that you do not fall or get blown over. These are the things that a new airport is going to do. But, more importantly, Mr. Speaker, it is going to cr eate some jobs and out of the creation of jobs there will be additional revenue that will come into the coffers by way of taxes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberFrom who? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Payroll taxes — payroll taxes for the employees — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Payroll taxes for the employees as they earn their salary, they will pay tax on it. They will pay payroll tax. I did not talk about the …
From who? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Payroll taxes — payroll taxes for the employees —
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Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Payroll taxes for the employees as they earn their salary, they will pay tax on it. They will pay payroll tax. I did not talk about the developers. I talked about the employees. This is money that will go into the coffers. The building of a hotel in the East End. It is going to create jobs. Crea-tion of jobs . . . it is going to create more revenue by way of payroll tax coming into the coffers. The Amer ica’s Cup is going to have additional revenue that will be generated that will go into the coffers in order to help the balance. And, Mr. Speaker, if we are able to continue to infuse revenues, yes, there are still lots of things that we can do in order to diversify the economy and bring in additional revenues. But we have to start from somewhere. And in the immediate future the situ ations that I have just mentioned, such as the hotel, the America’s Cup, the airport, these are going to be im-mediate responses to infusing of revenues into the coffers. And those revenues, Mr. Speaker, will help to ameliorate the charges and the stress that our popul ation will face by virtue of increased taxes. We know and we hear and we all have experienced helping to assist somebody who is standing at the cash register short of a couple of pennies, or somebody just asking if you could assist with purchas-ing a meal while they are on the street because they are hungry. And most of us, Mr. Speaker, in this Ho nourable House have not had that experience of being hungry. We may have all at some point in time had to have done without because of what was a priority for us and we could choose one expenditure over anot her. We have had those choices to make over time. So, I am not by any means denigrating people who are not in the position to afford to buy any and everything they want as and when they want it. But it is a sad day for us as a country, Mr. Speaker, that we have to continue to exact this level of revenue from the pockets of our community in order to be able to satisfy a debt that we can hear Members opposite say things like, Well, we spent the money on social things . Yes, you did. I have said it a hundred times if I have said it once, Mr. Speaker, that when you spend twice as much as you need to and get half as much as you did for the money that you spent, that differential takes us further into a financial hole. And we now have to continue to dig ourselves out of that hole, Mr. Speaker . So, when Members opposite speak, I would be really, really appreciative if some recognition was made of the amount of money that has been spent unnecessarily. Not money that has been spent on s ocial programmes —that is never unnecessary. But money that has been spent that has drained the cof-fers, that could have been there to avoid the situations for which Members opposite are criticising us tonight. We do not want, Mr. Speaker, to see our people having hardship. And while Honourable Member s might talk about some subliminal message, you know, you can look almost for anything and you can interpret it any way you like to suit the rhetoric that coincides with whatever message you want to put out. I, Mr. Speaker, choose to say that in the absence of many alternatives for revenue infusion, the Finance Minister finds himself in a situation in which he does not have much choice to raise the revenue in order to work t owards balancing the budget. Is it the ideal position to be in? Absolutely not.
Bermuda House of Assembly One of these days, Mr. Speaker, we should be able to wake up and say, Hallelujah! The debt has been paid off . Hallelujah! Budgets have been ba lanced and we were able to live. We could have people, you know, as they say, [who have] a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage, Mr. Speaker . That is the ultimate aim. But we are not there yet. We are not there yet. And it would be foolhardy to think that we are going to be there in the short term with the amount of indebtedness that we have to face and that we have to retire. So, all I can ask Members opposite, Mr. Speaker . . . I can appreciate some of the recommendations that they have made. The Honourable Member who was a former Health Minister speaks of taxes on mayonnaise and he speaks of the taxes on soft drinks and I had occasion, Mr. Speaker, to go to a health conference in Aruba when I served as the Health Minister, and one of the things coming out of Pan American Health Organisation (PAHO) that was very clear was that when people have to pay addition-al tax on things that we deem to be unhealthy for them, it is not necessarily going to give the result that we would want. It is not necessarily going to say that because this mayonnaise sandwich is far too expen-sive, therefore I am not going to buy it. What you are going to find, rather, Mr. Speaker, is that if somebody is determined to purchase that mayonnaise sandwich or that soft drink or whatever they are going to pur-chase it to the exclusion of that which is healthy. So, what we must be mindful of is the extent to which we have decided what is appropriate fare for someone to go into the shop and to purchase be-cause with all of the best intentions —we want a healthy population. There is no question about that. But we want to also ensure that we are not cutting off our noses to spite our faces in the practical application of that which it is that we are trying to do. So, Mr. Speaker , I am certainly mindful. I am certainly sympathetic of additional costs. I hear Mem-bers opposite talking about the cost of a glass of wine is going to be $22, or something to that effect —or it is already $22 the Honourable Member says, Mr. Speaker . I do not know. That would not affect me one iota because I do not drink alcohol. So, you know, it is probably going to hit me with a bottle of Perrier. It probably will. I do not know. But, Mr. Speaker, we do not want to appear to be insensitive at all, because we are very mindful, Mr. Speaker . We know the pain. We know the suffering. We know the choices, Mr. Speaker, that people must make. But by the same token, Mr. Speaker, it could be 10 times worse if we fail to raise the revenue to be able to satisfy our basic financial obligations and that is the message that I wish to leave with Members of our Honourable House tonight, Mr. Speaker, that the Finance Minister —he may be stingy, but he is not mean- spirited. The Finance Minister will hold the brake on expenditure but . . . but, Mr. Speaker, he does it with love in his heart because he knows and understands — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: He knows and understands, Mr. Speaker, what it takes to save us from having to pay more than the $186 million that we are now faced with, and in order to do that we have got to get that principal down and down and down so that the interest expense is less and less and less, and therefore that money that is now being expended to pay for our financial costs will then be available to provide further social infusion and to ease the burden of taxes on our people, Mr. Speaker . Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Learned Member from constituenc y 25, MP Mark Pettingill. You have the floor.
Mr. Mark J. PettingillThank you and good evening, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Minister who just took her seat made a comment about the tax impact on her because she does not drink. I want to go on record as saying —alcohol, I know what she means —and I do not drink any …
Mr. Mark J. PettingillSo, I am kind of caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to that. But, I have to stand. I would be remiss and my wife would beat me if I did not speak on this. It has been touched on but it is such a …
So, I am kind of caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to that. But, I have to stand. I would be remiss and my wife would beat me if I did not speak on this. It has been touched on but it is such a significant point, and it is one where money could be raised and one where, you know, we have to focus on the right things in the right place because I am all for raising the sin tax on things and particularly on tobacco. I have got no issue with that. If people do not have the memo on the health benefits or the lack thereof of smoking tobacco and what the health implications are, then you cannot do any mo re than that. Everybody here knows, and I have said it, we all know that I am a bleeding- heart liberal. That is why I am sitting here in the middle.
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Mr. Mark J. PettingillEverybody knows that I am all you can go do what you want to, all righ t, that was my view. I am almost like a Portugal guy. Like, legalise drugs. Do what you want to as long as it does not do this: do not impact on me and …
Everybody knows that I am all you can go do what you want to, all righ t, that was my view. I am almost like a Portugal guy. Like, legalise drugs. Do what you want to as long as it does not do this: do not impact on me and my health and my fam ily’s health or on the pressure that you put on a medi-cal system or a country with r egard to your bad habits. 1534 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly But otherwise on that, if you do not have the memo on what cigarette smoking is going to do, then that is your problem as far as I am concerned. And the tax then should be increased on that because of what the implications are on health and what the system is bur-dened with with regard to having to take care of you when your lungs drop out. Okay? We are having to look out for that type of impact. Now, if we do not have the memo—and the Health Minister over there (who is not here right now ) surely should be in the mix on how sugar is 10 times as addictive as cocaine. That is a fact. Look it up, as my honourable learned friend said. Sugar is 10 times as addictive as cocaine. That is a fact. Sugar impacts on health more significantly than probably anything else. It feeds cancer cells. It triggers weight gain. It promotes premature ageing, diabetes, high blood pressure . . . and listen to all those things —all real Bermudian problems. Real, si gnificant Bermudian problems. Sugar. A bottle of Mou ntain Dew soda has 27 grams of sugar in it. The equal amount of a bottle of Grey Goose vodka has zero [grams of sugar] in it. And no, I am not saying okay so let us all go and drink that much vodka, because it is like with anything, you know. If you overdo it, if you overdo anything, if you smoke too much weed, you lose the benefits of whatever the health proponents are. You drink too much red wine —well they are there— you drink too much red wine, a glass a day is good for you. But do not go chug five glasses of wine every day because what good you might be doing for your heart, you are damaging your liver. So everything is about . . . my favourite T -shirt at home that I wear that says Balance. Balance. So, how you can go about taxing alcohol and wine and all these things, beer, that have shown to have some health benefit and completely ignore the absolutely criminal impact of sugar on our society —that grape soda is poison on the shelf! Now, as a former Attorney General I always said (and you have h eard me say it here before, Mr. Speaker) the way to go about things is look at what other plac es are doing that make sense and plagiarise it and use it and fit it in here and make use of it here. So, we know what the US has just done (in particular states ) in relation to the sugar tax, and why they did it. All of the studies are there to be looked at. Why did we not just go with that one? I am all for the raised revenue. I heard the speech about, Oh, you know, how much money was spent on this and how much money they did with this and how much money they did . . . great. I get that. I have made those arguments, too. I know the history. I also get what . . . the Finance Minister has a heart, and I know that his good heart is not drinking 27 grams of sugar a day, I hope, from Mountain Dew. What he should be looking at with r egard to finding that balance . . . so why not tax when you look down this list what makes the health sense? I want to hear from the Health Minister because I can-not imagine that the Honourable Health Minister was not standing around the Cabinet table saying we have to tax sugar, we have to tax sugar . This will be an i mpact here on what we need to do. So the tax here is going to get passed on with regard to liquor, it is just going to jack up those prices as the arguments that have been made, you know, and hit people that are going to have some form of enjoyment from a daily glass of wine or a weekly drink or so on, that God only knows we all need, especially if you spend enough time up here. [Laughter]
Mr. Mark
J. PettingillYou are going to need to have it. But nobody is going outside and taking a break from Parliament. They are going down the road to get a grape soda, I hope. And if they are, they better check in with what they should be doing. So, if we would …
You are going to need to have it. But nobody is going outside and taking a break from Parliament. They are going down the road to get a grape soda, I hope. And if they are, they better check in with what they should be doing. So, if we would have come up here and I would have seen we are going to double the tax on Mountain Dew soda, on grape soda —I would have been jumping up and down saying, Hallelujah! Let’s get on board with that. It makes imminently no sense to raise tax on alcohol in this way, not a huge taxation, but it would increase the price, the tax, on alcohol and leave the sugar products alone. The largest selling soft drink in the United States of America last year was water! Hallelujah! W ater. What we should be doing is thinking about getting people drinking water because that is healthy. It is drink more water every day for health and get that price down. Bring down the price of bottled water and jack up the price of sugar drinks and jack it up with the tax and pass that on to the importer and pass that on to the retailers and pass that on to the consumer and get the message there: Do not touch this stuff. But if you do not want to listen and get the memo, if you do not want to do that and all of the impac ts, Mr. Speaker, that come from that, then you are going to have to pay the piper. And not only are you going to pay him with the tax, but you are going to pay him with the health. And, by the way, the increased tax is going to support what we will have to do for you when you have to have amputated limbs, you are suffering from obesity, you are suffering from high blood pressure and insurance rates and everything on Medicare have to go up because of your bad habit in sugar. When you go in for those medical tests, what is the thing that they always ask you about? Do you use tobacco products? Do you drink alcohol? And they swab your gums —I know somebody who has had it done— to make sure that you are not touching any tobacco. And boy, if that comes up positive, your insurance is going to go through the roof. But none of the forms are saying, How many grape sodas are you drinking a year? How much C oca-Cola are you drinking? How much are you giving of
Bermuda House of Assembly this to your kids? And that is where the focus needs to be. These are simply logical, sensible things that find a balance for the society which includes raising the tax. So, do not be saying, Oh, these are not the things to be taxed. Certainly, there is tobacco. It is just a valid question to ask why, sensibly, with all of the information and all of the health benefits, would you not be saying let us leave this where it is and let us tax the sugar. So, my answer to that would be, right, well, I cannot see how I am going to support an i ncrease in tax on these things that relate to some of the alcohol products when you choose not even to a ddress that issue of a sugar tax —which is just what they have called it in the States. A sugar tax because of what the health impact is across the board when we talk about a sin tax, it is a bigger sin to have that much sugar being used and abused by people more so than it is with regard to these other things that are being taxed. Tax the sugar. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you very much, Honourable Member . Any other H onourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Minister for Health, Mini ster Jeanne Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, several comments have been made with respect to the areas that have been …
Thank you very much, Honourable Member . Any other H onourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Minister for Health, Mini ster Jeanne Atherden. You have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, several comments have been made with respect to the areas that have been targeted in the Finance Minister’s and the Government’s tax and what areas should be taxed and should not be taxed, and I just want to make a couple of observations because as one comes and tries to determine, when you are raising taxes, to me there are two things that one looks at. One is the aspect of raising revenue and the other is the aspect of changing lifestyles.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberSorry. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I will stop for a minute so that he can get to his seat. [Inaudible interjections]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo, please carry on. You do not have to stop, Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: As I said, when anybody is ever trying to do something, you always have what I call this balance of . . . you are trying to raise revenue and at the same when you …
No, please carry on. You do not have to stop, Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: As I said, when anybody is ever trying to do something, you always have what I call this balance of . . . you are trying to raise revenue and at the same when you are looking at revenue, you are trying to decide what areas you should look at from the point of view of either how much revenue you can raise or sometimes, on the other hand, what type of things do you want to sort of change. And the rea-son I say that is because we, for a long time, you call what we call the sin taxes, and the sin taxes have been deemed to be tobacco and alcohol. And in the past those commodities have been taxed because in addition to being something that everybody seemed to want and therefore it seemed to have a degree of elasticity from the point of view of whatever level you increased it to, people still seem to buy —it did not seem like they reduced their demand for it. It just seemed to be fairly elastic. But on the other hand, I do not think people realise that part of this —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerShe missed what elasticity means. That is not elasticity. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: —having these commodities taxed is bearing in mind what it was doing to society. Tobacco— it was creating some very long lifetime illnesses from the point of view of once a person started to smoke at an …
She missed what elasticity means. That is not elasticity.
Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: —having these commodities taxed is bearing in mind what it was doing to society. Tobacco— it was creating some very long lifetime illnesses from the point of view of once a person started to smoke at an early age, it was creating the number -one disease at the highest level in terms of mortality and, so, for the longest . . . while tobacco has been the product that one has looked at taxing, alcohol came right behind it because on top of that alcohol also created some conditions that an early age, in terms of consumption, resulted in long- term illnesses or early deaths. So, those were tended to be driven by what I call the impact on society and ther efore then they got the name of the sin taxes. Now, more recently you have had sugar coming up as a commodity that persons have a concern about and not so much—it did not come so much as a call of being a sin tax, but something that was creating a problem with respect to the impact that it had on individuals —and we talk about obesity, we talk about diabetes, and it was understanding that that had a significant influence. Now, Mr. Speaker, for the last year or so, I have been looking and monitoring what has been happening in other countries. I have been monitoring what has been happening in the Caribbean in terms of who has introduced sugar tax, who is sort of thinking about it, and the reason why I have been monitoring it is because one of the dilemmas is when you introduce this tax on sugar, whether you end up getting what I call the improvement that you want because most places when they start to introduce it, they were not introducin g it so much to increase their revenues. They were actually trying to come up with what I call changing in terms of health consequences. They were not going after it because it was going to be a big revenue item. They were going after it be-cause it was going to change health consequences. And that is why it has been very important, when I started to look at to sort of say, okay, what other 1536 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly things can we do in Bermuda to change tax cons equences and in doing that, what has been very important is that we have been starting to educate ev erybody about what you need to do in terms of your lifestyle. You will know as I came up here and we talked about it, we have our Healthy Schools pr ogramme where we have water in schools because we made people understand that for the children, drinking water is very important. We have the healthy lunches in schools where we make children understand about eating and drinking and water, et cetera. So, I am sa ying we have been trying to change behaviour rather than talking about using it as a revenue source. And the point I am trying to make is that I know that there has been the suggestion about looking it as a revenue source. But the other reason why I keep looking at this and why the jury is still out is because if you do not change the demand for it, change people’s mind- set, all you are going to do is for those people, unfort unately, who have less in their pocket to go out and buy these products and therefore you are going to have an impact on the families because they are still going to be buying these sugary drinks because it is like the alcohol that the adults have. They are going to be out buying it because they have this need, this sugar ad-diction, and therefore they will be going into their pockets to buy it. So, what we are going to be doing, Mr. Speaker, is we are going to turn around and we are creating a demand and then we are going to have to turn around and deal with the consequences. So, I am not saying that we might not end up turning around and looking at that as something we might consider. But, Mr. Speaker, I do not believe that we are looking at it from the point of view of saying it is a source of revenue. We are looking at it . . .if we go down that path to say it is a health benefit that you are trying to introduce, it is a reason that you want people to shift, but at the same time you really have to change the lifestyle of individuals and we were talking earlier about some of the other taxes here and what people might do. You know, Mr. Speaker, I am mindful of the fact that a long time ago, people did not drive ever ywhere. They actually walked. They did more walking. More walking results in less consumption of fuel. More walking means that people can turn around and act ually counterbalance some of this expenditure that they would have for the higher price of fuel and I think, Mr. Speaker, as we go forward, you know what they say, necessity is the mother invention, sometimes you will find that people will have to turn around and they will have to look at their budgets and they will have to say, Okay, what will I have to do to turn around and try and make myself not so much impacted. Now, Mr. Speaker, every month or so I get things and I read and I look at stuff and if you can just bear with me for a minute, I look at things that are talking about what is happening in the NCDs [noncommunicable diseases] in North America and what people are doing, and we are talking about heart at-tacks, diabetes, and cancer being [the cause of] the majority of premature deaths and I think to myself —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSo, where are you reading from? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This is from . . . this is a report that I get from CARICOM which is a report which came . . . let me just see . . . this was the . . . if I can …
So, where are you reading from?
Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This is from . . . this is a report that I get from CARICOM which is a report which came . . . let me just see . . . this was the . . . if I can just find the last bit . . . this was the Executive Board of World Health —this was a recent meeting that they held in January 2017 and this was a report where they were reporting on what the various —this was an Executive Board and they were talking about what the various countries were indicating was ha ppening in the region. And, so, I look at it because not only do we do things in Bermuda, we obviously want to see what is happening around the world. And do you know what it said? It says, “ As documented, the economic losses caused by smoking far outweigh global revenue from tobacco taxes,” and they estimated that it was $27 million[sic]. . . and they were saying that in “ all cou ntries that raised cigarette taxes by about 80 per cent[sic] per pack, annual tax revenues could i ncrease by 47 percent , amounting to an additional $140 billion [per year ].” And it was telling them that, hey, cigarettes seem to be a place where you increased it, it still seemed like the revenue was up there but the taxes were going up even more and ye t they were actually making people understand, as I say, this balance of generating revenue as opposed to looking at this thing of balancing against what I call the health conditions. And so, for me, I do not know what else is g oing to be proposed tonight but I just want to say that from a health perspective I continue to look at the question of taxes on sugar items, but more importantly what I have found and which is what we are starting to consider is that there is a belief that we should start having more information and more emphasis on labe lling. Labelling of products so people understand what actually is in the things they eat. How much sugar is in other things —and sugar is not just in sugary drinks. It is in lots of things that we consume normally. A nd you just think it is healthy but it has actually got sugar, and so I believe and what the Ministry and what we will be looking at is more emphasis on educating the public on reducing their consumption of sugar and salt for these things that actually impact on them. I do not know what else might be proposed today, but all I can say to you is that I look at what I call something that is trying to generate revenue as opposed to something else which is turn around and talk about trying to improve the condition of our health and our people in Bermuda. And we will continue to
Bermuda House of Assembly do that. But I do not think that just turning around and saying a tax on sugar is the answer because, as I said, I really believe it is more an education of people in Bermuda to understand what impacts their lifestyle and what things are actually cheaper that they can buy in terms of water and all sorts of other things and I do not know what is going to be proposed tonight but I do think that the Minister has tried to address those items, as I said, those items which normally have had this elasticity and therefore the beer and the wine and the alcohol, et cetera, which in the past studies have shown that the elasticity is there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable M ember . Any other Honourable Member . . . the Chair will recognise the Honourable Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I will start where my honourable colleague, the Minister of Health, left off and thank her for her participation in the …
Thank you, Honourable M ember . Any other Honourable Member . . . the Chair will recognise the Honourable Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I will start where my honourable colleague, the Minister of Health, left off and thank her for her participation in the debate. I think this has been an interesting debate tonight. There has been some ser ious information put out by colleagues. There have also been one or two laughs which is always good to have in a debate. But, I applaud the Minister of Health for standing up and giving her perspective. Look, sug-ar tax is something we should definitely consider. But until we learn to moderate our lifestyle, our habits, sugar tax is going to do one thing: It is going to raise the cost of living. That is exactly where this debate started this afternoon, this evening, on the cost of li ving and raising the cost of living. Many jurisdictions have looked at it. Some say they have had some success; others are still strug-gling with it. For honourable colleagues who have not looked at the Duty Book, at the present time, I believe water is 15 percent and it is going to stay at that. The duty on soft drinks is proposed to go from 33 [per cent] to 35 percent. So that is a pretty large duty rate that is paid on items like that, and one of the things that we have tried to do, as the Minister alluded to, through programmes in the school with Marie Beach - Johnson, who does an excellent as the Healthy School coordinator, is to get in there and to change the habits of our young people. And it started years ago in the schools with taking out the vending m achines —taking out the sodas from the vending m achines. And, Mr. Speaker, I have to say it, too often we are hypocrites up here. What do we get in the fridge when we go in there for lunch and dinner? S oda! But we are going to stand up here tonight and talk about well, we know what is right but we are drinking soda out of the fridge up there.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThey need to fill it with wine! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But go in there every night and that fridge is empty. So, I mean, somebody is drinking it. I do not see mice and rats running in there taking it out. But that is fine. That is our choice. …
They need to fill it with wine! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But go in there every night and that fridge is empty. So, I mean, somebody is drinking it. I do not see mice and rats running in there taking it out. But that is fine. That is our choice. It is all about moderation and what you do in life. It is all about the moderation and what you do. But until we change people’s lifestyles and habits and get them to understand the value of nutrition, a sugar tax is going to raise the cost of living drastically. And that is som ething that we have been wrestling with and will conti nue to consider as we go forward. I will tell you an interesting story, Mr. Speaker . A number of years ago I had this gentleman working at Dunkley’s. And one day I heard that somebody had passed out on the loading ramp, and I went out there and it was the gentleman. One of the ladies from the office realised right away that he must be a diabetic. So, she had what it takes to deal with him and the ambulance came and he was all right. So, I was talking to the lady in the office and she goes, You know, he never told anybody but I could just recognise it because I am a diabetic as well and I know that he smokes. I know that he drinks a bit . And so afterwards I spoke to him. I said, Look, you flopped out —dangerous! You know, let us take care of that. You are a young man . . . at that time, you know, he was probably . . . I am 58, he was probably 15 years younger than me, and this was 15 years ago, about. And, so, everyone was worried about him be-cause he is working in a busy environment and if something like that happens, you could be driving a forklift and you flop out if you do not eat right and you are not taking care of yourself.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOr a truck full of soda. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Or a truck full of soda, the Honourable Member, opines out. Or Island Construction could be bringing that soda up to the Dairy in a 20-foot container —
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat is right! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And the driver could flop out. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, your drivers drink chocolate milk. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Cocoa powder! [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Less sugar! 1538 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly …
That is right!
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And the driver could flop out. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, your drivers drink chocolate milk. [Laughter]
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Cocoa powder!
[Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Less sugar!
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Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They come in and get it from the Dairy. They come in and get it from the Dairy. No, but, seriously, Mr. Speaker, back to the seriousness about it. And, so it went on, it went on, it went on. This gentleman could not deal with the challenge he had with diabetes and he left the emplo yment of the company and years later I went down to the hospital to visit somebody and I see the gentl eman outside the hospital, the visitor’s entrance. I see him out there in a wheelchair —lost his two legs, lost his two arms, got somebody holding a cigarette to his mouth and he is crying, saying, I need help, I need help, I need help. It is the sam e thing that he said the first day he flopped out on the ramp and came to, I need help. But he was unwilling to have the strength in himself to get the help. The only time he needed the help was when he was in pain. As soon as he started to feel a little bit better, somebody put the cigarette back in his mouth. Well, the gentleman passed away shortly after that. So, we want to talk about what to tax and how to tax it. I think we need to be real in how we look at it. Mr. Speaker, I am going to say it right here, right now, it is very difficult to decide what to tax and at what rate and how to tax it. We are in a hole. We are digging out of that hole. If any of us here have the magic potion of the right levels and the right areas, well, put your hand up. I want to listen to you. But I do not think that this is the case. We have to work together to make sure these things happen. But, just look, no one is arguing about cigarettes tonight because people know the harm to our society from cigarettes. People know t he addiction from nicotine. I say it over and over and over again. My father died from smoking cigarettes. He had a stroke. Could not stop. We all know about cigarettes. But people still smoke them. Every year we put up the duty on cigarettes. It does not matter what it is, we put it up and people still buy cigarettes.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNo elasticity at all. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No elasticity —Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe what a cigarette costs now. But people still put them there and you know they go down and they try to buy one cigarette at a time or somebody gets a pack and he sells …
No elasticity at all. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No elasticity —Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe what a cigarette costs now. But people still put them there and you know they go down and they try to buy one cigarette at a time or somebody gets a pack and he sells them around and makes a couple of cents on every cigarette. But, Mr. Speaker, now, let us get real. Cigarette . . . The Honourable Member said cigarette consumption has gone down, but the nicotine level goes up. Now, let us get real, Mr. Speaker, we are talking about taxes and alcohol. That has some elasticity in there as well. But, Mr. Speaker, I am telling you here t onight: look at the negative impact alcohol has had on our community and I am not surprised we are all talk-ing about raising the tax on alcohol because alcohol is way too prevalent in our community. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I drink. I will admit it. I drink. But being a politician, I probably drink a little bit more. But, Mr. Speaker, look at the negative impact of alcohol in our community with our young people, with road traffic accidents, with abuse in the home. Mr. Speaker, we want to talk about the value of certain products —yes, alcohol does have certain values to it in certain quantities. Got a lot of sugar, too. It has got a lot of sugar, too. So I listen to these arguments tonight and I think they all sound good, we have all done a little research. But, you know, taxing alcohol in Bermuda is not going to stop a visitor from coming here. If we go crazy it could have a little bit of an impact. But at these levels, this is not going to stop a visitor from coming here. Mr. Speaker, we need to be realistic at the challenge we face. And no Government wants to raise taxes. They do not want to raise taxes on any item at all. But at this point and time we have no choice. We have to raise taxes in certain areas and we have to be real about how we raise those taxes. The Opposition started this debate out and they said the cost of living, raising duty rates for the cost of living and then they said a few retailers came and talked about it and now we are here reducing those rates. Well, they have just argued right around circling themselves because first they talk about raising the cost of living and then they talked about a few retailers who approached the Gov-ernment. They cannot have it both ways. Mr. Speaker, it is clear to me, if we do not balance duty rates what is sold in stores throughout Bermuda becomes less competitive, and there will not even be the need to bring some of these items in an-ymore. And then what happens from there? Bermudi-ans lose jobs. Retail has been under tremendous amount of pressure over the past couple of years. That is why we see it is harder for them to make mon-ey. That is why we see fewer stores in Bermuda. That is why we see young entrepreneurs trying to get vivid with the imagination and the spirit that they have to open it and do what they have to do. As we make these changes and try to get the revenue which is r equired not only to run Government, provide the ser-vice they need, but pay that $500,000 a day in debt servicing, we have to consider how we are going to inflict the least amount of suffering on our community. And look, there has been a lot of talk tonight about the price of gas going up. We have been fort unate because over the past four or five years as the duty on fuel has gone up, generally, fuel prices have stayed low. Oil has gone from $100 a barrel down to probably about $50 a barrel at this point. Been down in the upper $30s for a number of months. So, the tax increase has been probably more than offset by the drop in the price of the barrel of oil. And, so, we come here tonight and everybody has gotten a view on it. I would like to see the Oppos ition’s amendments so we can take a look at it with the
Bermuda House of Assembly most time and we can try to decide on how we can work together. But issues such as a sugar tax is something that has been on the table, but it has to be done right. Because if we are going to tax sugar we are going to increase the cost of many things we have not even thought about yet. And that is going to i mpact Bermudians, Bermudian entrepreneurs who are struggling — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No problem, a soda tax — soda is taxed at 35 per cent with this budget. I hear the Honourable Member s saying —we are at 35 per cent. You want to put it up? Go ahead, put it up. Put it up higher and see what it does to the man in the street who is struggling. See what it does to the man in the street who is struggling. They stop buying it. That is what they say. Just like cigarettes, they stop buying it. Until we change lifestyles, until we get people to understand the value of nutrition, I think it is go-ing to be a very diff icult sell for the people of Bermuda to understand it. So, Mr. Speaker, the last thing I will say is I have listened through the budget debate and certainly in the economic debate I heard Honourable Member s from the Opposition talking about Government needs to put more money into tourism, more money into this, more money into that. I find it interesting that while they have talked about putting more money into var ious Government ministries, at the same time there has been very little input on how we raise the appr opriate amount of taxes that we have going forward. And I know my colleague, the Minister of F inance has worked hard on appropriate taxes and that is why he has come back with those changes because we realise we have to get it right and it is ver y difficult to do. But if we are going to change taxes, we have to think about it. And while a sugar tax makes sense to many people, it has to be thought through in the ap-propriate way so it is sustainable and it does not i ncrease the cost of living. So tonight we are all health experts. We all have it right. But at the end of the day, we have to continue to move this country forward by getting our finances in a better position and that is what these changes are about as much as we do not like to do it, Mr. Speaker. Because we all, whether we tell our st ories about people in the community who we help out or we know their struggle, we are all well aware of it. We all have those stories to tell on how people are struggling in various parts of our community. S o, we do not want to increase taxes and if there was a magic wand, somebody would be waving it right about now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Premier. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) R ichards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I do not recall in the time I have had this pos ition when customs duties have evoked such a lively discussion.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, it has been very interesting, Honourable Member . Taught me a little economics. Hon. E. T. ( Bob) Richards: Well, there has been a lot of reference about elasticity —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI hear this word “ elasticity .” Some pe ople got it mixed up, actually. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I think that maybe at some point during my remarks, I should explain to the public what that is.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, what elasticity really is! Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We are not talking about rubber bands here. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: In any case, I think my first remark here is that this is a Revenue Bill. This is not a Health Bill, it is a Revenue …
Yes, what elasticity really is! Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We are not talking about rubber bands here. [Laughter]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: In any case, I think my first remark here is that this is a Revenue Bill. This is not a Health Bill, it is a Revenue Bill, and we are here to raise revenues within the context of the Bermuda tax and business model which relies quite heavily on customs duties. I have to say that this is also, as I said in the last debate we had on tax increases —which was the Financial Services Tax —that this essentially is a “PLP Deficit Reduction Tax.” That is what this is. If it was not for the deficits that were put on the books, that have continued at a lesser and lesser rate under this Government, we would not. . . at a lesser and lesser growth rate— [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Somebody said that . . . how could they have the temerity to say it is not true — it is clearly true! Geez, it is unbelievable. We have an alternate universe over there. We are working those deficits down— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
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Yes, Honourable Member.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister of F inance is misleading the House because the Honour able Minister of Finance will know that the budget def icit this financial year is larger than the budget deficit last financial year, so he cannot say he is reducing it every year.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Thank you, Honourable Member . Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Budget deficits have come down every year under my administration and they will continue— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misle ading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister of F inance is again misleading the House. The budget def-icit in the last fiscal year was $160 million and this year it is forecast to be $212 [million]. He is mislead-ing the House.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister ? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the other side is not even qualified to talk about deficits. Not even qualified to talk about deficits. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: It is ridiculous. It is abs olutely ridiculous. So, let us look at Graph 15 in …
Minister ?
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the other side is not even qualified to talk about deficits. Not even qualified to talk about deficits.
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Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: It is ridiculous. It is abs olutely ridiculous. So, let us look at Graph 15 in the Budget Statement. It tells a story. It is simple as that. The deficit reduction plan that we have put in place is in place and we are moving towards a balanced budget and that is why we are here this evening with this Bill beca use it is, as I said, it is not a Health Bill, it is a Tax Bill. There has been much reference made to the fact that we have changed some of the taxes for the retail sector and that is how somebody, some very powerful person called me up on the phone and somehow coerced, intimidated, or otherwise inveigled me to make this change. I have to say, Mr. Speaker, none of those propositions are remotely close to the truth. Not remotely!
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Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, let us not do an y alternate universe stuff, Honourable Member . [Gavel] The Speaker: Honourable Member — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: If you will be quiet, ma ybe I will tell you. [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We had representation from, particular ly, apparel retailers who were having some difficulties with the proposed duty changes in addition to the fact that they had been taken off con-cessions that they were having before—payroll tax concessions. And one of the important points that I took into account was that in retail apparel it is a sector of Bermuda that is closed to work permit holders. It is closed to work permit holders. They have to hire Bermudians and therefore all the people that work for these folks are Bermudians. I was sensitive to the fact that there perhaps could be layoffs in view of our pr oposals. Now, I have to say . . . and I will quote the former Progressive Labour Party leader. He said a lot of things in this House that I did not agree with, but one of the things that he did say I do agree with and that is that we need to remove corporate welfare from Bermuda. He said that many times and I agree. Now, this country was replete with corporate welfare when we took over, and some of it by necess ity because of the recession. We have announced that we will, in phases, get rid of . . . it was not called corporate welfare, it was called concessions. That is what it was called.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: But, not concessions, corporate welfare. That is what it is. So, we have, in stages, reduced and gotten rid of that. And, so, phil osophically I am definitely against corporate welfare. Companies have to stand on their own two feet. They cannot depend on Government revenues — Government concessions —to exist.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, we took into account that this is a sector that employs all Bermudians. The sector is closed to foreigners. That was one of the things. The other thing that I know is true, if you look at the retail sales index, it is broken down into subsec-tors in the retail sales index. If you look, there is a sec-tion there called apparel. It is even in the Budget Statement that I made, that apparel has been the laggard insofar the resumption of growth. Other parts of the retail sector have bounced back, but not apparel. This is the sector that was hardest hit here. So, I was also moved by that.
Bermuda House of Assembly But I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, the requests that were made of me on that occasion dwarfed what we have done here today. Dwarfed what we have done here today. What they asked us to do, or to roll back, dwarfed what we are doing here today. All we are doing here today is very, very modest compared to what the [request] was. And that is not unusual, Mr. Speaker , because when we had that now famous 18month consultation with international business, what they wanted us to do dwarfed in comparison to what we did. We have had to do things to get this Gover nment’s finances back in place. It is not what the pr ivate sector wanted. It is what we thought we could do, and in the case of international business they did not want us to up payroll tax as much as we have had to do. They do not want us to do that. And I said, I have been very plain, we never came to an agreement with them. But this position requires tough decisions. You know, it is easy to make great speeches. It is much harder to make tough decisions. And that is what this job requires. So, the whole notion that a bunch of folks who have big stores in Hamilton called me up and I said, Yes, yes, I will do what you say, is a figment of som ebody’s imagination. It just is not so. Because what they asked for was much, much greater than what we have done here. But the aspect that it is a sector of the economy that is closed to foreigners, for me, that resonated with me and I said that this is something that we really need to look at. So, we have made some adjustments here. So, that is a very important point. Now, people have said all kinds of things t onight that are, you know, figments of their imagination. I am not going to go through every one but somebody, I do not know which Honourable Member said that, you know, 90 per cent of the initiatives that we have made have been brought back. That clearly is not true. We have not actu ally . . . and somebody else said the Bill has been pulled. You know, we have not done that either. Right? That is just not true. I want to talk a little bit about elasticity. Right. We are talking about elasticity of demand here. Elasticity of demand has to do with the sensitivity of how much people buy compared to the price change. Some commodities are highly elastic, meaning, that if you change the price a little bit, it will have a big change on people’s decision to buy the commodity. Some items also are highly inelastic, meaning, that you can jack up the price all you like, people could still buy it. So, your classic example of an inelastic product would be pharmaceuticals, alcohol, and tobacco. They are all three very inelastic items. It does not mat ter how much it costs, they are going to consume it. Obviously, pharmaceuticals for healthcare reasons. You know, you will go without all kinds of stuff so you can afford to buy the drugs. Okay? And tobacco and alcohol because they are highly habit formin g. And it does not matter how much it costs, if you are a big drinker you are going to be a big drinker because you are addicted to alcohol. Simple as that. These—alcohol and cigarettes —have highly addictive properties. They are highly inelastic; the demand is highly inelastic. Soda is different. I am pretty sure of that. I think soda is a fairly elastic commodity. If it gets really expensive, people will stop buying it. Right? Or change to something else. So, it has different charac-teristics. And so, that is what we mean by elastic and inelastic, and what I have tried to do with these changes that we are proposing here this evening is to increase prices on inelastic commodities. That is what we strive to do. And do you know what? When we increase price on inelastic commodities, we know we are going to get paid as a Government because we know that the demand for those inelastic things, like tobacco and alcohol, is going to be there. It does not matter how much it costs. You know, we increase our prices by 50 per cent, we know that we can probably get 50 per cent more money in revenue. But if you do that for sodas, you really do not know what you are going to get as a Government. You know, it is less —you know it is very elastic, but you do not know how much. But, we know for sure that with alcohol and tobacco, whatever per cent we increase the duty, we are going to get that per cent in terms of increase in revenue. We know that. So, that is the thing that we are talking about, elasticity. The thing that is interesting here, Mr. Speaker, is that with almost every sector that we have made changes on, whether it is international business, whether it is retail, whether it is hotels, whether it is restaurants, whether it is tobacco, we have had calls or e- mails fro m vendors in those sectors complaining bitterly. And I find that the examples of tobacco to be most interesting because you and I know that whate ver we put on these cigarettes, the people are going to still buy them. We know that because cigarettes are probably the most addictive things there are and, so, they are going to buy. But the vendors have been all over me in spite of that. All over us. So, the fact that we have gotten complaints from certain sectors is the fact that we have had to raise taxes. Everybody is unhappy about that. All vendors are unhappy about that. But we have not made changes as a result of all complaints. That is the point. We have not made changes because of all com-plaints. Just because somebody complains does not mean we are going to make a change, because the change that we have here this evening has been the result of sensitivity with the fact that we are talking about a sector that is closed to foreign workers. I mean, the other thing I want to say is that the revenue that was lost from those changes we have tried to make up in other areas. Specifically, you guessed it —alcohol and tobacco—because the origi1542 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly nal increases in alcohol and tobacco that we had e nvisioned, we had put them up even more to try to compensate for the revenue that we will give up from some of the amendments we have done in the retail sector. Unfortunately, it has not compensated com-pletely, but we have certainly mitigated the impact on the overall revenue by adding even more taxes on alcohol and tobacco. So, that has been the strategy here as it relates to this. There has been much talk about adding to the cost of living. We all know that cost of living is high in Bermuda but the inflation rate is low. The inflation rate is still less than 2 per cent and we do not believe that these changes are going to have a very significant effect on the inflation rate. Somebody said (I am not sure which Honourable Member said this) that, you know, the diesel was going to increase by 50 per cent. It is increasing by 5 per cent. Not 50 per cent! Gas is increasing by 7.1 per cent —gasoline. Somebody made some remarks about the duty relief for Dunkley’s Dairy. Well, Dunkley’s Dairy sells foodstuffs, right, so this duty relief does not —and I said specif ically in my remarks already —these duty reliefs do not apply to people selling food. So, that statement was clearly incorrect. Somebody else said something about people making big bonuses, well, I think the Honourable Member Mr. Burgess said something about that. Honourable Member, I wanted to tell you that those folks making big bonuses will be taxed at a higher payroll tax rate than they were before. So, yes, the bonuses are taxed. Bonuses are taxed. Housing allowances are taxed. Payroll tax already covers that. That is part of the remuneration that is included in the Payroll Tax Act.
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Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: There are . . . you know, I understand the Honourable Member’s concern about soft drinks. I think the Premier made the point very well. But I think I want to reinforce that point because, you know, it is not soft drinks that are causing our young people and not -so-young people to die on Bermuda roads. It is alcohol that is causing that. Alc ohol consumption is causing that. You know, it is not soft drinks that are breaking up families because of, you know, out of control behaviour. It is alcohol that is causing that! It is not soft drinks that are causing peo-ple to lose their jobs. It is alcohol that is doing that. So, you know —
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The Member said it is apples and oranges. It is not apples and oranges. [Gavel]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: But the social cost for excessive consumption of alcohol in this country is huge, as in many countries. We are not alone there. But the social cost of alcohol consumption is gigantic. So, I do not feel any compunction in raising taxes …
Honourable Member — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: But the social cost for excessive consumption of alcohol in this country is huge, as in many countries. We are not alone there. But the social cost of alcohol consumption is gigantic. So, I do not feel any compunction in raising taxes on alcohol. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: No, it is an inelastic d emand curve. I already told you that. That is obvious. But, you know, if we have to go to the well to draw more water out of the economy, I want to go someplace that . . . it may somewhere on margin cause somebody to change behaviour, but that is not the point. The point is that there is a great cost to this community from alcohol consumption and a lot of that cost falls on the Government. A lot of that cost falls on the Government, so it is a compensatory type of transaction here. It is a compensatory type of tr ansaction because this consumption causes a problem, we have to fix those problems as a Government, the consumers of it need to pay. That is why I do not have any compunction to this. Similarly, with tobacco . . . quite frankly, both these two substances are slow poison. Now, you know, I do not want to get on any high horse here. I do not mind . . . I love wine. I just know that I never drink more than two at any point in time, right. But there are a lot of people who cannot stop there and it is causing a lot of these social problems.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, my —what is that?
[Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I do not want to know, do I? [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I do not want to know. Okay. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Oh, all right. I got it now. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I got it now.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right, now, Honourable Member s, you had your laugh. You had your laugh. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, you know, I apprec iate the Honourable Member’s concern about soda tax or sugar tax or whatever is being proposed. And I am sympathetic, but I …
All right, now, Honourable Member s, you had your laugh. You had your laugh.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, you know, I apprec iate the Honourable Member’s concern about soda tax or sugar tax or whatever is being proposed. And I am sympathetic, but I do not think that this kind of thing can be done on the fly in the House. I do not think it can be done on the fly. You know, you have to have some kind of analysis to find out cause and effect. You know, we are talking about elasticity. We really do not know what the elasticity is, and we do not know what the effect of whatever is being proposed here will actually . . . even if it is totally inelastic, in other words, even if it does not have any effect on consumption, which the Health Minister suggested it may not have very much effect, but even if it does not have any effect on consumption we really do not know what impact it is going to have on the budget. We do not know what impact it is going to have on revenues. Nobody . . . you know, my Financial Secr etary is a brilliant fellow but, you know, he is not that brilliant. You know, we have to figure stuff out first. So, that is the reason why I am reluctant to just sort of support this thing that is being done on the fly. I do not disagree with it in principle. I do not. But I think that doing it on the fly may . . . there may be some uni ntended consequences that we have not really considered. And, quite frankly, unintended consequences are, you know, abound when it comes to tax matters. So, that is kind of my position on that. So, Mr. Speaker, seeing that we have been talking about alcohol consumption, I want to get back to my analogy that I made the other day. The country of Bermuda had a period of excess consumption and now we are in that morning after period of adjustment to compensate for the overindulgent period— long p eriod of overindulgence. That period of adjustment is not easy. It is not easy. It is uncomfortable. It is unpleasant. But we have to do that to get back to a state of sobriety. That is what these tax increases are about and, so, with those remarks, Mr. Speaker, I would like to move that the Customs Tariff Amendment Bill 2017 be committed. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Minister. The Minister has moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? There are none. So, Deputy Speaker, would you please take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 11:3 2 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further considera-tion of the Bill entitled Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 . I will call on the Minister in charge to proceed. [Pause]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Sorry about the delay.
The ChairmanChairmanThat is fine. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, Madam Chairman, this Bill seeks t o amend Customs Tariff [Act] 1970 and the Customs Duty (Special Remission) Act 1951. I think I would like to move clauses 1 through 3, initially.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. It has been proposed that clauses 1 through 3 be moved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, Clause 1 is the citation. Clause 2 amends section 13(1)(b) of the pri ncipal Act, by replacing the words “any tariff …
Thank you. It has been proposed that clauses 1 through 3 be moved. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Please proceed.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, Clause 1 is the citation. Clause 2 amends section 13(1)(b) of the pri ncipal Act, by replacing the words “any tariff code” with the words “tariff code 9801.411 or tariff code 9802.101”; and repealing the words “that bears a 0 per cent rate of duty” as these words have now been determined to be superfluous. Clause 3. The First Schedule of the Customs Tariff Act 1970 is repealed and replaced by the co ntents of the Schedule in this Act. So, we are replacing the whole First Schedule. The First Schedule is published on the Bermuda Government Portal at the following web address: www.gov.bm/schedules - customs -tariff-act-1970 . So, I would move those three clauses, please.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 3? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I actually have a technical question and I was hoping you could advise, …
Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 3? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. You have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I actually have a technical question and I was hoping you could advise, because I know that when the Minister goes through he also has to then go to the Schedule and say this Schedule stands as part of the Bill. If we have amendments to make to the Schedule, do we do it now, as it is referenced in clause 3 which is saying it repeals and replaces the First Schedule, or do we do it at the end when we move to the Schedule for what is part of the Bill?
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Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: I would venture to say that if it is part of . . . yes, we may be just doing 1 through 2 then, and then . . .
[Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanRight. If that is satisfactory to the Mi nister? We will do clauses 1 through 2 right now. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Y eah, okay.
The ChairmanChairmanSo, are there any objections to—are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 2? There are no Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 2. Minister, if you would move those two clauses. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move …
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clauses 1 to 2 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 1 and 2 passed .] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Are there amendments to the Schedule?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes. [Pause] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: You have amendments to the First Schedule? Because there are lots of Schedules. This is the First Schedule.
The ChairmanChairmanI believe that the amendment that we will have before us will be to the First Schedule. I am just waiting to have confirmation. [Pause]
The ChairmanChairmanI do not believe that the amendment affects the First Schedule. [Pause]
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Minist er. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I have amendments to . . . I think we were kind of just going to amend the First Schedule on an omnibus basis, were we not? Yes. The Schedule . . .
The ChairmanChairmanSo, the amendments that were to be made are actually on the Schedule that we already have? They have already been done? So, we are not amending the Schedule, then. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The one that we tabled has got all of the amendments in it.
The ChairmanChairmanAll right. So, then, please proceed. We will go to clause 3. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: So, what about yours, Honourable Member ?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberPardon? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: What about your amendments? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, well, I will yield to you, then.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader —because quite honestly, the amendment I have before me, I have no idea where it comes. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 3 2203.000 and 2206.000 Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, that is okay. Madam Chairman, I rise to move the first amendment …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader —because quite honestly, the amendment I have before me, I have no idea where it comes.
PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 3 2203.000 and 2206.000
Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, that is okay. Madam Chairman, I rise to move the first amendment of a few that will be coming from the O pposition side on the Customs Tariff Amendment Act. The amendment, it is styled as the amendment to the amendment because, of course, I am assumin g that it was an amended tariff that we are doing. And this amendment is to edit Customs Tariff in the 22 nd heading of the Customs Tariff 2203.000 and 2206.000. The objective of this amendment is to r educe the level of tax on beer per litre which has been raised in the Minister of Finance’s revised budget from $1.26 to $1.88, so about a 50 percent increase on the taxes on beer, and we would like those to remain the same. The reasons why, Madam Chairman, as I had spoken about earlier in the general debate and in d ebates previously regarding the issues and challenges in Bermuda being the number one most expensive place. Well, this issue is due to our concern and the realisation that while we were in Government we did not support increases on sin taxes when it came to alcohol due to the fact that it would lessen our com-petitive position when it came to tourism. And I think
Bermuda House of Assembly that is a challenge of which we have and that is the reason why we are moving to make these amendments. The amendments have been submitted and if they have not been handed out, I have plenty of cop-ies.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. I believe ever yone has a copy and — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Honourable Member , is this 2203 —
The ChairmanChairman[It is] 2203 — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: —and 2206?
The ChairmanChairmanThat is correct and it is on page 76 of the Customs Tariff Act 1970. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanYes, you did. [Inaudible interjections] [Pause]
The ChairmanChairmanMinister of Finance, do you need a copy of the Customs Tariff Act 1970, the page that is being amended? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The whole tariff?
The ChairmanChairmanI have the original —just for your guidance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, okay. But the First Schedule is the whole book . It is not just that one page. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, the amendments to 2203 to amend the rate to $1.26 and the amendment 2206 to also amend the rate to $1.26, which were the former rates . . . the Government has no objection to …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. So, to be clear, the amendment that we have, the Opposition amendment that we have to the Customs Tariff Act 1970 revises the line 2203 and 2206 from what the proposed change was of $1.88 reverting it back to the $1.26. Are there any Members that would like …
Thank you. So, to be clear, the amendment that we have, the Opposition amendment that we have to the Customs Tariff Act 1970 revises the line 2203 and 2206 from what the proposed change was of $1.88 reverting it back to the $1.26. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the amendment? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellYes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I just think that the Government should be applauded for accepting this amendment, particularly because, you know, during the general debate . . . and I think the argument, really, we just have to be clear on what we are tr ying to achieve today. …
Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I just think that the Government should be applauded for accepting this amendment, particularly because, you know, during the general debate . . . and I think the argument, really, we just have to be clear on what we are tr ying to achieve today. Okay? We are not increasing taxes on certain items because we want to see the consumption of those items decrease. Okay? We are increasing taxes on items that we believe will not decrease, but gain more revenue. That is what we are doing. So, it is not about health and it is not about let us try and reduce the bad stuff, okay? But, you know, we have to also keep the small man in mind when we do these things. We cannot put the burden always on the smaller guy, right. I am not going to have too much problems on wine and spirits because, you know, the small man generally does not go there. The small man wants to have, you know, his beer after a long day’s work . And I think that is a good thing that we could focus on this and let us win one for the small guy today, okay ? So, congratulations to the Government for that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. D e Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I would like to congratulate the two Independent Members for looking at these changes …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. D e Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I would like to congratulate the two Independent Members for looking at these changes that the Progressive Labour Party have put forward and I think that the Government, having seen that we have sufficient numbers on this side, along with the Independent Members, are making . . . like the Member said, we are making decisions for the little guy. So, we are glad that the Government have decided to listen to the Progressive Labour Party and the two Independ-ent Members. So, congratulations, Government.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the revision to the—thank you. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I did not know it would be so easy to amend finance bills for revenue, but …
The ChairmanChairmanAs long as it is down. 1546 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: I guess as long as it . . . and when a minority Government brings new challenges so we see those things today. I thought it was very interesting …
As long as it is down.
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: I guess as long as it . . . and when a minority Government brings new challenges so we see those things today. I thought it was very interesting that the Honourable Premier came over and said that we will sup-port you on beer. I mean, the fact of the matter is, Madam Chairman, that the balance of power in this House has changed, and the Government knows that it cannot get anything passed unless it, you know, n egotiates with the Members from constituencies 25 and 31. So, I am pleased that the Members from constituencies 25 and 31 have supported the Progressive Labour Party on this and I am pleased that the Go vernment has saved us time to go through a vote by just accepting it. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. So, we will move on. I would call on the Finance Minister, if there are no other Members that would like to speak to clause—thank you— Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Are you not tabling the rest of your . . .
The ChairmanChairmanWe have to do this particular one first. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move the amendment to—
The ChairmanChairmanClause number — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards:—to clause 3, items 2203 and 2206.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. It has been moved that the amendment to clause 3 be approved as it pertains to 2203 and 2206 on the Customs Tariff Act 1970 from $1.88 to $1.26. Any objections to that change? No objections to that motion. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Proposed amendment to clause …
The ChairmanChairmanPlease proceed. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 3 2710.120 and 2710.192 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I am ris ing to table another amendment and this amendment, I think, we might have a little voting on because I …
Please proceed. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader.
PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLAUSE 3 2710.120 and 2710.192
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I am ris ing to table another amendment and this amendment, I think, we might have a little voting on because I am not sure if the balance of power is prepared to support it. However, the change is the Customs Tariff Amendment Act and this is no increase on gasoline taxes amendment. This amendment reduces the taxes on gasoline and diesel. Madam Chairman, what you will note is that last year when the Minister of Finance increased taxes on gasoline, the Minister of Finance said it should be able to be absorbed seeing as the price of gasoline has decreased. But we all know that in the last year, the price of gasoline has also increased. So, in add ition to the price of gasoline increasing we are also going to increase the taxes on fuel again and, as I have said, their taxes on fuel have gone up 50 per cent underneath the One Bermuda Alliance Gover nment who has pledged that they would reduce the cost of living. This tax will . . . this amendment will keep the taxes at the increased rate as what they were last year but not add additional increases for what would be the third time under the One Bermuda Alliance Government in increases of taxes. We hope that it would enjoy the support of the House and it amends as follows: Duty rate 2710.120 amend the rate to $0.70 instead of $0.75 and Tariff Rate 2710.192 amend the rate to $0.50 instead of $0.55.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Government does not support this amendment. We have to make our revenue targets, and while we were prepared to acquiesce to the last amendment, we cannot do that for this one for …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 25.
Mr. Mark J. PettingillYes, I am obliged, Madam Chairman. Let me just indicate that . . . why I cannot find the position with regard to supporting this is the other one I think my colleague, Mr. Crockwell, has ri ghtly spotted that I could not stand the thought like we saw recently …
Yes, I am obliged, Madam Chairman. Let me just indicate that . . . why I cannot find the position with regard to supporting this is the other one I think my colleague, Mr. Crockwell, has ri ghtly spotted that I could not stand the thought like we saw recently with the hard- working construction guy in the grocery line counting his pennies to get his Two El ephants. I can live with the fact that we have to raise revenue somewhere, and we have to find a balance. So it is what it is. And this , to my mind, with regard to fuel . . . you know, is one of those things that, hey, you know, drive like I do sometimes to the Belmont Ferry and take the ferry. It is a nice ride in. You know, cut down on drivin g the car so much.
Bermuda House of Assembly It is these types of sensible balances that can be brought to the table with regard to people even looking at their own expenses. You know, if you are going to spend more on fuel . . . cars are a luxury item. Then, you know, be judicious with that. Like, you know, car pool. I came in this morning, you know, on a car ride. It was raining early and I asked my secretary for a ride and she was getting a ride with a neighbour. And it was like, you know, five of us crammed into the little Su zuki driving in to ( not an older Suzuki ) town. And, I thought, you know, this is sensible. You know, we have f our adults in this car and going in. So that is one of those things that you can address. So I appreciate that the revenue has got to be raised somewhere and, you know, we have to press on with doing it on fuel. It has to go somewhere. So, that makes sense.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Do we have any Members that would like to speak to the proposed amendment? The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: So, thank you, Madam Chairman. I heard the honourable and learned colleague who just took his seat indicate the equivalency …
Thank you. Do we have any Members that would like to speak to the proposed amendment? The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 36.
Hon. Michael J. Scott: So, thank you, Madam Chairman. I heard the honourable and learned colleague who just took his seat indicate the equivalency between . . . or the lack of equivalency between the cost of diesel and the cost of beer. And I do not follow, nor do I buy it. And it sounds a convenient argument that is being made. I am thinking of my friend and farmer friends in this country —whether it is Mr. Lopes, David and/ or the Lopes’ in Somerset or in Luke’s Pond —
[Inaudible in terjections]
Hon. Michael J. Scott: Absolutely. All of their equipment operates off of diesel, and the implications of increasing their cost of doing business is going to cause them to do the very types of things that the former Minister of Tourism and no w Independent Member so lamented was the reason why he could not support beer increases because it is going to be impacting on hotel costs or hospitality de-livery. So, I want to stand to support my farmer cit izen teams and like Mr. Tom Wadson, my friend, and all of the other farmers in this country and say that this has the same equivalency and is supportable by all Members of this House who are right thinking.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I am a little disappointed in our Independent Members and— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, I am a little disappointed in our Independent Members and— [Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Whilst just tw o minutes ago they had me singing on the mountaintop, now they got me down in the valley.
[Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And they say that 24 hours is a long time in politics.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Chairman, the Honourable Member from constituency, I think it is 26, Pettingill, talked about —25—talked about catching the Ferry. Well, you cannot deliver sand to or soil to Mr. and Mrs. Smith who want some to do some work around the house. You cannot do that. And, Honourable Member Sousa I am sure, the Honourable Member Sousa—
The ChairmanChairmanThe Member from constituency 28 — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Constituency 28—certainly knows you cannot cut someone’s grass and trees and hedges and call a Ferry to pull them away. So, Madam Chairman, what I am saying to you is this: What you may not know and what …
The Member from constituency 28 — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Constituency 28—certainly knows you cannot cut someone’s grass and trees and hedges and call a Ferry to pull them away. So, Madam Chairman, what I am saying to you is this: What you may not know and what the Mi nister of Finance has not told you is that fuel has i ncreased dramatically just in the last year. Dramatically, Madam Chairman. And what that is going to equate to . . . and I am sure, again, I am going to talk to the Honourable Member from constituency 28 because I think he has several vehicles Truck business equals jobs, Madam Chairman. It equals jobs. And as I said earlier, right, if we keep raising these taxes like we are doing . . . now, if the Minister has said we have got to raise tax somewhere, well, there are a lot of boats in Bermuda, Minister. There are a lot of luxury boats in Bermuda. And I consider, myself, a 20- foot a luxury, Madam Chairman, because I do not have a boat. I am not a boatman. But to me, a 20- foot is luxury. We have many boats over 20 feet. Maybe what the Honourable Minister . . . maybe what the Honourable Minister should consider is keeping the fuel where it is and maybe raise some taxes on the boats over a cer-tain length. Maybe he could raise money, mind the moorings —how many boats do we see moored around this Island? Maybe we could raise the tax on each and every mooring because boats are a luxury.
[Inaudible interjections]
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Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, and I talked to my brother —
The ChairmanChairmanRemember, speak to the Chair. Do not worry about the side lines. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My brother and I have this argument all the time. He has got a boat as long as this room and, you know what, he has got it, he can afford it. …
Remember, speak to the Chair. Do not worry about the side lines. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My brother and I have this argument all the time. He has got a boat as long as this room and, you know what, he has got it, he can afford it. Tax him some more!
[Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We will not have coffee tomorrow, I suppose, now. But the fact of the matter is, Madam Chairman, and if the two Independent Members stood up and supported the last price hold for the little guy, what the heck do you think this is? This goes directly to the roots of the little guy. Again, we have seen the retailers get in the Finance Minister’s ear again and he has made reductions for the retailers. I am going to say it again. The construction guys have been dissed under this OBA Government. We have never had a reduction for the construction guys. The ones that are out of work! The most unemployed people on this Island . . . check out their backgrounds. They have construction bac kgrounds, Madam Chairman. This increase in fuel, I am going to tell you right now, will add to my monthly bill between $3,000 and $4,000 alone. That is on the di esel. I am not including the gas. Just on diesel. And I have gas vehicles, too. What is that going to do, Madam Chairman? Four thousand dollars a month . . . we just talked about $48,000 being a threshold. That could be a nother worker. Somebody that is looking for work could go out there and cut grass for a year. He could clean up the shop. He could wash vehicles for that amount of money. So, Madam Chairman, I hope that the Ind ependent Members that are thinking of the little guy will give it a little bit more thought when it comes to a vote in a minute. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the amendment? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6 . . . he is taking his seat again. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellThank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, maybe the Minister can help me in terms of the levels appreciating that the cost of fuel has gone down, went down over the years appreciably, and now we understand that it is going back up—I do not know how much it has …
Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, maybe the Minister can help me in terms of the levels appreciating that the cost of fuel has gone down, went down over the years appreciably, and now we understand that it is going back up—I do not know how much it has gone back up, but I do not think it has gone back up that much, Madam Chairman. My view on this, since the Honourable Member who just took his seat has highlighted the change in support, is that when I go to the pumps, I am not paying . . . I am not even paying close to what I used to pay. I remember going to the pumps and getting my car full . . . I am paying $100 for my car. I am paying around $75 now, okay? The point is that I got used to, I got used to paying that $100 for my car and in recent years we have had that reduction because of the overall lower price of oil, okay? I think that it makes sense to adjust these taxes in areas where the consumer understands and is used to paying a certain level. We have not reached the level that we were paying when it was at its height. So, I think there is some room there that the individual would be able to adjust to more readily than paying in other areas where they are not used to paying a certain level . So, I understand what the Honourable Members are saying. I think that we could make this argument on probably any tax increase. No one likes tax increases but at the end of the day you have to keep, you know, at the forefront the fact that the Gover nment must increase its intake in order to address the larger problem which is the deficit and the debt. So, I understand it. So, we are trying to figure out what is the most practical way that is going to have the least impact on the consumer. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the proposed revision?
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongMadam, I am not going to be long, but I just found it incredulous that I would hear that Member say that he has no problem with t he raising of the duty on fuel, but yet only 20 minutes ago he was talking about the poor person at the …
Madam, I am not going to be long, but I just found it incredulous that I would hear that Member say that he has no problem with t he raising of the duty on fuel, but yet only 20 minutes ago he was talking about the poor person at the pump who could only spend $10 to get his car moving from point A to point B. That was only half an hour ago!
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat was only two minutes ago.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberIt’s been a long time.
Mr. Rolfe CommissiongYes, exactly, again. But we know that these types of taxes are going to disproportionately impact upon the poor, working class, lower and middle income people of Bermuda, the people that he says that most of us have no idea how they live. But I will tell you one thing; …
Yes, exactly, again. But we know that these types of taxes are going to disproportionately impact upon the poor, working class, lower and middle income people of Bermuda, the people that he says that most of us have no idea how they live. But I will tell you one thing; we on this side know how they live because those are our people. Our
Bermuda House of Assembly brothers, our sisters, our nephews —some of us! So, I would ask the Member to maybe think a little more on this one. Thank you, Madam.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the revision to clause 3? If there are no other Members that w ould like to speak to the revision to clause 3, the Chair would recognise the individual that placed the proposed amendment. Hon. E. David …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the revision to clause 3? If there are no other Members that w ould like to speak to the revision to clause 3, the Chair would recognise the individual that placed the proposed amendment.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. In calling the question, I want to thank the Members on this side for their contributions, those who are standing up for the little guy, those who are standing up for the people who have seen their gas taxes increase just about every year underneath the One Bermuda Alliance, those people who could only afford to put $10 into their tank and those people who are now paying not upwards of $90 to fill up their tank. We do not believe that we should be putting more taxes on them at this time and we would hope that we could have the support of the entire House to do a little bit more for the little guy in this budget. I will call the question, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanWe are going to put the proposed revision to clause 3 to a vote. All those in favour of the revision, say Aye. All those not in favour of the revision, say Nay. Ayes and Nays.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberNo, the Ayes have it.
The ChairmanChairmanVery slow to the foot, but . . . well, we got three. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanI did. Thank you. You were very slow to the feet, but I will recognise you all the same. We have three Members standing to their feet, which results in having names called. So we will ring the bell and we will have three minutes. [Pause for the ringing of …
The ChairmanChairmanThe bell has now rung. [Pause]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Thank you everyone. Three minutes are up. The Deputy Clerk: Okay, Members, we are going to call the names, listen carefully . DIVISION [Proposed amendment to clause 3 (2203.000 and 2206.000) of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017] Ayes: 16 Nays: 18 Mr. C. W. Brown Hon. J. …
Thank you. Thank you everyone. Three minutes are up. The Deputy Clerk: Okay, Members, we are going to call the names, listen carefully .
DIVISION [Proposed amendment to clause 3 (2203.000 and 2206.000) of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017]
Ayes: 16 Nays: 18 Mr. C. W. Brown Hon. J. J. Atherden Hon. D. V. Burgess, Sr. Hon. K. L. Bascome Hon. E. D. Burt Hon. L. C. Cannonier Mr. R. P. Commissiong Mr. S. G. Crockwell Hon. Z. J. S. De Silva Hon. M. H. Dunkley Ms. L. F. Foggo Hon. Dr. E. G. Gibbons Hon. W. L. Furbert Hon. P. J. Gordon- Pamplin Hon. D. P. Lister Ms. S. E. Jackson Mr. D. V. S. Rabain Hon. T. G. Moniz Mr. W. H. Roban Hon. N. Outerbridge Hon. M. J. Scott Mr. M. J. Pettingill Mr. W. L. Scott Hon. E. T. Richards Mr. J. S. Simmons Hon. S. D. Richa rds Mr. N. S. Tyrrell Ms. L. K. Scott Mr. M. A. Weeks Mr. R. W. Scott Ms. K. N. Wilson Hon. N. H. C. Simons
Mr. G. Smith
Mr. J. Sousa
The ChairmanThank you Members. The Ayes were 16; the Nays were 18. The Nays have it. [Gavel] [By majority on division: Proposed amend ment to clause 3 (2203.000 and 2206.000) failed.]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think the Honourable Member has another . . . no? No other amendments. Okay. Excellent, exce llent. So, Madam Chairman, I would like to move clause 3 as amended.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. It has proposed that clause 3 be approved as amended. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 3 passed as amended.]
The ChairmanChairmanPlease proceed. 1550 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Right. I would like to move clause 4, please.
The ChairmanChairmanDo you want to do 4, 5 and 6 or are there any other changes? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, they are very long. Let me do 4 and 5.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any objections to moving 4 and 5? There are no objections. Please proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Clause 4 amends the Fifth Schedule to the principal Act: (a) in CPC 4110, in the description for “Qualifying Goods”, by adding the next sentence “For …
Thank you. Are there any objections to moving 4 and 5? There are no objections. Please proceed.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Clause 4 amends the Fifth Schedule to the principal Act: (a) in CPC 4110, in the description for “Qualifying Goods”, by adding the next sentence “For the avoidance of doubt, the relief extended extends to furniture and equipment for libraries, assembly halls, auditoriums and gymnasiums.”; (b) in CPC 4130, in the description for “Qualifying Goods” by repealing and placing the same with “1. Electric generating and waste heat recovery equipment and parts; and 2. Air quality monitoring instruments and associated equipment.”; (c) in CPC 4169 (Medical appliances and Equipment), in the description for “End -Use Cond itions /Restrictions”, by repealing the words “All goods must be approved by the Chief Medical Officer.”; (d) by repealing and replacing CPC 4172; (e) in CPC 4209 (Goods for demand- side management systems), in the des cription for “Qualifying Goods” by repealing and replacing the words “Equipment, apparatus and machinery” with the words “All goods.”; (f) in CPC 4217 (Goods for ocean scientific research, et cetera), in the description “End- Use Conditions /Restrictions”, by rep ealing and replacing condition 1 with “1. Goods must be imported and used by an approved organis ation for the purposes of— (a) ocean scientific r esearch, environmental protection or education; (b) the construction, maintenance and enhancement of buil dings, facilities, vessels and equipment owned, leased or used by the approved organization; or (c) the oper-ations and admini stration of the approved organis ation.”; (g) by repealing CPC 4704 (Goods of tariff code 2710.193 (HAGO)) —I am not sure what that means —
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Is that a type of oil? Thank you, heavy fuel oil — h) by repealing and replacing CPC 4705 (Goods of tariff code 2710.193 (HAGO)) with CPC 4705 (Goods of tariff code 2710.194 (Fuel oil)); (i) by adding CPC 4226 (Goods for renewable energy sy stems); (j) by adding CPC 4227 (Batteries for electric vehicles); (k) by adding CPC 4228 (Goods for the Ai rport Utility -Scale Solar PV Installation); (l) by adding CPC 4229 (Goods for local commercial manufacturing); and (m) by repealing CPC 4187 and CPC 4189. In clause 4 of the Bill by inserting after par agraph (f) the following, “(Fa) in CPC 4220, Passenger Motorcars Licensed as Trucks in the duty rate roll by deleting and substituting 33.5 per cent with 35 per cent.” And those are the inclusions in that. And that concludes clause 4, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clause 4? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I rise, Madam Chairman, to basically support the relief that we have seen here today in regard to the electric …
Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clause 4? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35.
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I rise, Madam Chairman, to basically support the relief that we have seen here today in regard to the electric generation and the ways to heat . . . the renewable energy is really what I want to say, the ef-forts that have been made here to address the i mportance of renewable energy and the relief that is given in that regard. So, I stand fully in support. I think this House knows where I stand on that, having been one of the early pioneers of electric transportation in this country, Madam Chairman. However, Madam Chairman, I have already spoken to the technical [officers] and the Minister, there is one piece that I think falls short in regard to the amend-ment that is before us in relation to clause 4 (j). And here, the description is, “Batteries for electric vehicles” and the relief addresses the lithium ion batteries si ngularly. As I have explained to the technicians and to the Minister, there are other electric vehicles on the road today that are powered by batteries other than the lithium ion and those batteries should also be i ncluded in this relief. I stand here in agreement with where we are going tonight because the Minister, as well as the technical officers, have given me the assurance that they will go away from here today to revisit this and come back in May with the adjustment to include the other batteries that are powering the electric vehicles today, outside of that of the lithium battery that is listed here singularly today. And I think if we can get it to that point where we are including all batteries that are used to propel the electric vehicle, then I think we have done what this legislation should do. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I thank our House Leader on this side for bringing forward that particular item. It is something that we had prepared an amendment for which we thought would capture …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I thank our House Leader on this side for bringing forward that particular item. It is something that we had prepared an amendment for which we thought would capture the essence. But working in finance for a small while and understanding the complexity of the Tariff Code, and those technical officers in the corner who said that it might be a little
Bermuda House of Assembly bit more . . . though I cannot understand, given that it is only restricted to an end- use. So we are talking about an end- use duty relief, and it is for end- use in motorcars. But the fact is that they have promised to bring it back in May and we will look to see if it does come back in May. If not, we have our amendment ready and we will table it and amend it at that time.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clause 4? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I undertake, formally, to the Honourable Member , Mr. Lister, to bring that back in the next session. With those …
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clause 4 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clause 4 passed.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. I would like to move clauses 5 and 6.
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any objections to moving clauses 5 and 6? There are none. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Clause 5 amends the Customs Duty (Special Remission) Act 1951: (a) by repealing section 7; (b) repealing and replacing section 8(6), thereby adding definitions for “exempted goods” and “locally manufactured goods”. …
Are there any objections to moving clauses 5 and 6? There are none. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Clause 5 amends the Customs Duty (Special Remission) Act 1951: (a) by repealing section 7; (b) repealing and replacing section 8(6), thereby adding definitions for “exempted goods” and “locally manufactured goods”. Clause 6 is the commencement provision. Those are the two clauses.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 5 and 6? There are no Members that would like to speak to clauses 5 and 6. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move those two clauses, please.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that clauses 5 and 6 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 5 and 6 passed .] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, we have the First Schedule, which is different from the original First …
It has been moved that clauses 5 and 6 be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 5 and 6 passed .] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, we have the First Schedule, which is different from the original First Schedule, so I would like to move that we remove officially the First Schedule and replace it with the new First Schedule.
The ChairmanChairmanThe new and amended First Schedule. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I would like to move that the Bill be reported to the House as amended.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. It has been . . . we are going to do the preamble— Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Oh, yes, the preamble. Yes, I move the preamble, excuse me.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the preamble be approved as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move that the Bill be reporte d to the House as amended, please,
Madam Chairman. The ChairmanChairmanIt has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion c ar ried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed with amendments.] House resumed at …
It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as amended. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion c ar ried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed with amendments.]
House resumed at 12:18 am [21 March 2017]
[Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair]
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Bermuda House of Assembly REPORT OF COMMITTEE
CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourab le Members. The second reading of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 has been approved with amendments. We now move to Order No. 8 . . . sorry, Order No. 9, which is consideration of Supplementary Est imate (No. 2). And the Chair will recognise the Mini …
Thank you, Honourab le Members. The second reading of the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 has been approved with amendments. We now move to Order No. 8 . . . sorry, Order No. 9, which is consideration of Supplementary Est imate (No. 2). And the Chair will recognise the Mini ster of Finance.
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SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2013/14 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Supplementary Estimate 2013/14 (No. 2). I would like to move this supplementary, the first of four supplementaries. This schedule identifies one item totalling $962,168 to be included in the Supplementary Est imate (No. 2) for 2013/14, made up of current account only. Honourable Members should note that in 2013/14, total current account expenditure was approximately $179,000 or 0.02 per cent below the ori ginal of $1.1 billion. Therefore, in respect of the total $962,168 supplementary, all is considered a technical supplementary. A technical supplementary indicates that the requirement for additional funding can be met with the original appropriated estimates. However, it cannot be transferred since they are appropriated within another Ministry and/or capital account. Honourable Members will recall that the crit eria for determining debatable supplementar y est imates requires all items on current account to be debated if the total current account spend of a ministry shows an increase of greater than 10 per cent, or $250,000, when compared to the original estimate. All capital items are debatable. Supplementary Estimate 2013/14 (No. 2) identifies only one main expenditure item —the Mini stry of Public Works year -end adjustment for inventory purchases. Applying the criteria that I have just de-scribed, this item on current account is debatable. I would therefore move the approval of the item as fol-lows: Current Account No. 1: Debatable: $962,168.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right, thank you, thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will ask that the Deputy [Speaker] please take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 12:23 am [21 March 2017] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2013/14
The ChairmanChairmanMembers, we are in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Sup-plementary Estimate (No. 2) for financial year 2013/14. It has been proposed by the Minister of F inance that the sum of $962,168 for the Ministry of Public Works be part of the Estimates as printed. …
Members, we are in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Sup-plementary Estimate (No. 2) for financial year 2013/14. It has been proposed by the Minister of F inance that the sum of $962,168 for the Ministry of Public Works be part of the Estimates as printed. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister?
Hon. L. Craig C annonier: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The requirement for supplementary estimates more often than not indicates unforeseen challenges a ministry or department of government has to meet in any given year. The Ministry of Public Works has one department, the Ministry of Headquarters, included in the Supplementary (No. 2) for financial year 2013/14 and the unbudgeted amount of $962,168. Madam Chairman, the supplementary funding was required for Public Works Headquarters purchas-ing programme which is responsible for the centra lised purchase and supply function to the operating areas within the ministry. During fiscal year 2013/14, Tynes Bay stores required a large number of new parts due to the replacement of furnace and boiler components at the plant. The inventory parts were selected based on the wear and tear and the failure potential. To ensure the reliability of the plant, the fai lure to obtain these parts could have led to unplanned shutdowns of the plant which would have had financial and physical consequences in the long term. So, in conclusion, for 2013/14 current account supplementary estimate, we are seeking $962,168 in the Ministry of Public Works. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for 2013/14? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. You have the floor. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Listening to the explanation that was given just …
Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for 2013/14? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. You have the floor.
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Listening to the explanation that was given just now by the Minister in that this fund was used to purchase additional parts (my words) which were
Bermuda House of Assembly needed to keep the Tynes Bay facility running, that is understandable. But my question, Madam Chairman, goes to how does this expenditure relate to the overall updat ing that is ongoing at Tynes Bay and where does this fit in that scale of the bigger picture in regard to what needs to be done to keep Tynes Bay moder nised and up to date as we are hoping it will shortly become? Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) 2013/14? No? I call on the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I appreciate the question. Tynes Bay is one of those areas that we have always …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) 2013/14? No? I call on the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I appreciate the question. Tynes Bay is one of those areas that we have always placed a concentr ation on ensuring that maintenance is done on a reg ular basis. And when we find areas of weakness we strengthen them. It is a major revenue stream for the government and will continue to be so. This particular supplementary back in 2013/14 was a part of upgrading. And what, in particular, had happened was this maintenance . . . although we had the maintenance planned, it was the outfall of the parts that we did not anticipate that were going to have to be purchased. So, of course, with the expertise that was here with us as we did the maintenance with Tynes Bay, unfortunately it came to the point whereby we needed to get these parts on the Island as quickly as possible. Hence, the $962,168. We have also [taken] pride in attempting to keep parts in place so that when we had these situa-tions we have them available to us. But this was one particular situation whereby we needed to not only replace parts but also to have backup to those parts as well. So, this is not just for one part, but this is also for the backup to those parts as well in the event that we might have failure to ensure that we have longevity with the Tynes Bay Incinerator.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplemen-tary before us? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Minister, so what you are saying is . . . I thought I heard …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplemen-tary before us? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Minister, so what you are saying is . . . I thought I heard you say that you replaced the parts that you did not anticipate. Did you also say that you now have in stock similar parts so that if you should have a reoccurrence you will be covered? Having said that, now going forward, in this year’s budget . . . I mean, $962,000 is a lot of money for parts that came out of nowhere. Now, if you are saying now that you have stock parts, so are we to assume —
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Point of order, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanYes? POINT OF ORDER Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: The parts did not come out of nowhere.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, let us put it another way. So, in other words, you did not have parts in stock, so you bought the parts from a supplier. So now, so now, my question is you …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, let us put it another way. So, in other words, you did not have parts in stock, so you bought the parts from a supplier. So now, so now, my question is you sai d you now have backup parts. So are you . . . two questions for you. One is, Am I to assume, or are we to assume, that out of that $962 (you can round it up to a million), we have got half a million dollars’ worth of parts that were needed for the breakdown, and we now have half a million dollars of parts in stock —your words — that you now have backup parts for those that you replaced? So, having said that, have you now, this year going forward, even though this was a couple of years ago, got your budget covered where you will not have to have such an overspend of the budget of a million dollars?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Again, we do not have a crystal ball and ma ybe the Honourable Member does, but there may be unforeseen situations that come up where we may have to spend. [It is] unlikely, but …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. Again, we do not have a crystal ball and ma ybe the Honourable Member does, but there may be unforeseen situations that come up where we may have to spend. [It is] unlikely, but it is an area that I have pai d very close attention to to ensure that we have the operating parts because, again, it is a major revenue stream for us. So, an allocation back some time ago, when we were looking at parts and the op-erating . . . as you know, we now have a new turbine and the likes. These were all planned as a part of keeping the operation running and efficient. You would know that even with the old turbines that are kicking out 3.4 megawatts, we planned to bring in a new turbine and it is here and installed and working through the tying in with BELCO of a turbine that we were wasting 50 per cent of our steam, now we are 1554 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly taking advantage of it with a 7.4 megawatt turbine. So again, we pay very close attention to it. This was one particular time that we had a major issue with parts. And I do not foresee that coming up in the future. But, again, there are unforeseen things that could happen.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I have a little challenge with that, Madam Chairman, in that the Minister said they pay very close attention. So …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I have a little challenge with that, Madam Chairman, in that the Minister said they pay very close attention. So they could not have been paying close attention if they had to spend a million dollars over their budget. And if those parts were half a million dollars and you now have half a million dollars’ worth of parts in stock you could not have been paying close attention. My hope is that they do pay close attention in the future because a million dollars . . . and of course we have a lot more supplementaries coming. But a million dollars over budget goes a long way if we want to talk about social programmes that the OBA likes to talk about that they are going to be continuing to support in the future.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier : Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I appreciate what the Honourable Member is attempting to say. But if we do not invest that million dollars we will not make the revenue that is needed for those social programmes …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier : Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I appreciate what the Honourable Member is attempting to say. But if we do not invest that million dollars we will not make the revenue that is needed for those social programmes that he is talking about. This is an investment in the future, and we will continue to make an investment in the future. If it costs a million dollars to do that, we know that the revenue is there to be had from it. So, I understand what he is saying but, again, I could not foresee Hurr icane Gonzalo or Hurricane Fay; they just came. Sometimes these things happen and we have to, you know, ensure that when they do happen we go out and get the money to purchase it. But we will do as much as we can to ensure that we have the parts in place for things that we can project. But there are some times . . . he is a businessman. He knows that. Sometimes things just happen.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, just to be clear, Mi nister, so you are saying that the Hurricane was the cause of this. [Inaudible interjection]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplem entary? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Ma’am. I mean, we are here talking about a million dollar overspend and the Minister says he does not want to answer that question. He was the …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplem entary? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Ma’am. I mean, we are here talking about a million dollar overspend and the Minister says he does not want to answer that question. He was the one that made the statement and said that he cannot foresee that we are going to have hurricanes that therefore cause this kind of damage that give, I guess, a million dollar overspend. So, you know, he is the one that said he cannot help hurricanes that cause this damage; it is important to keep the equipment up and running. That is cool. I just want a little clarification because that was not men-tioned in his brief.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I did not say it was a hurricane that caused the damage. I was giving an example of things that are unforeseen that can happen that will cost us money. We have supplementaries almost …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I did not say it was a hurricane that caused the damage. I was giving an example of things that are unforeseen that can happen that will cost us money. We have supplementaries almost every year when a hurricane comes. We do not foresee them, and we have overspends that accompany those hurr icanes. That was all I was saying, using that as an example. But we will do the best that we can to ensure that we have things in place to accommodate. That is all.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Supplementary Estimate (No. 2)? There are no other Members. I would propose that the sum of $962,168 stand part of the Estimates as printed and that covers all the Ministries under the Public Works . . . …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Supplementary Estimate (No. 2)? There are no other Members. I would propose that the sum of $962,168 stand part of the Estimates as printed and that covers all the Ministries under the Public Works . . . that would be Head 36, 49, 53, 81, 82 and 97.
[Gavel]
The ChairmanChairmanThat was under Head . . . so, we have now approved of everything in the Book as the remainder of the Heads were already moved as part of the debate. Thank you, Members. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2013/14 was considered by a Commi …
That was under Head . . . so, we have now approved of everything in the Book as the remainder of the Heads were already moved as part of the debate. Thank you, Members.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2013/14 was considered by a Commi ttee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
Bermuda House of Assembly House resumed at 12: 35 am [21 March 2017]
[Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2013/14
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Members. The Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2013/14 has been approved. We now move to Order No. 10 which is consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15. The Chair recognises the Minister of Finance. BILL SECOND READING SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) …
Thank you, Honourable Members. The Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2013/14 has been approved. We now move to Order No. 10 which is consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15. The Chair recognises the Minister of Finance.
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SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2014/15 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, thank you. I am presenting the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) 2014/15. This schedule identifies items tot alling $2,607,702 to be included in the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for 2014/15 fiscal year made up of $2,606,021 on current account, and $1,681 on capital account. Honourable Members should note that in 2014/15, total current account expenditure was approximately $12.6 million, or 1.2 per cent below the original estimate of $1.1 million. Honourable Member s will note in respect of the total $2,607,702 supplemen-tary, all is considered a technical supplementary. A technical supplementary indicates that the requir ement for additional funding can be met within the ori ginal appropriated estimates, however, cannot be trans ferred since they are appropriated within another ministry and/or capital account. Honourable Member s will recall that the crit eria for determining debatable supplementary est imates requires all items on current account to be de-bated if the total current account spend of a ministry shows an increase of greater than 10 per cent or $250,000 when compared to the original estimate. All capital items are debatable. Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) 2014/15 identifies two main expenditure items the Ministry of Public Works’ year -end adjustment for inventory purchases, and a minor over -expenditure for conserv ation services capital minor work project. Total capital account expenditure for 2014/15 was approximately $8.8 million or 16.5 per cent below the original est imate of $61.9 million. Applying the criteria that I have just described, both items on current and capital account are debatable. I therefore move for approval of the items as follows: current account number one debatable; and capital account number two available. And I believe we now, Mr. Speaker, should go into Committee to debate these items.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes, thank you, Minister. If the Deputy [Speaker] will please come take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 1 2:37 am [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2014/15
The ChairmanChairmanMembers, we are in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15. It has been proposed by the Minister of F inance that the sum of $2,607,702 stand for Head 36, Ministry Headquarters, under the Ministry of Public Works, and …
Members, we are in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15. It has been proposed by the Minister of F inance that the sum of $2,607,702 stand for Head 36, Ministry Headquarters, under the Ministry of Public Works, and that is part of $1,681 under Head 65 Conservation Services. I call on the Minister in charge, and that is to be part of the Estimates as printed. Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Headquarters department required a budget supplementary of $2,606,021 for the cost of unplanned and unbudgeted remedial work associated with Hurricanes Fay and Gonzalo in October of 2014 and for inventory adjustments in fiscal year 2014/15. With regard to Hurricanes Fay and Gonzalo restoration work, the supplementary is $97,345 and is for work performed by the Ministry staff that was not covered by insurance, such as the clean- up of roads, beaches, parks, the management of horticultural waste at the Marsh Folly site and minor damages to buildings. The importance of the Ministry was hig hlighted immediately following the storms when the Works and Engineering Department in conjunction with the Department of Parks and the Bermuda Reg iment had the road infrastructure opened within hours following the hurricanes. The staff of Public Lands and Buildings immediately attended government buildings surveying the damage, securing the buildings, and started the work to ensure the buildings would be open for bus iness with the exception, of course, of the government schools. All government buildings were open for bus i1556 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly ness on the next business day and schools shortly thereafter. These actions demonstrated the Island’s robustness in coping with such emergencies and en-sured business was returned to normal expeditiously. Madam Chairman, the supplementary funding that was required for Public Works Headquarters pur-chasing programme for fiscal year 2014/15 was $2,508,676. This represents an accumulated discrepancy between the accounting records of the Consol idated Fund and the Public Works Headquarters’ phy sical inventory rackets. It was necessary to process this adjustment in fiscal year 2014/15 to resolve the under recorded inventory usage which built up over a period of years. This is anticipated to be a one- time adjus tment with annual book to physical recognition now being performed by the Department. Madam Chairman, for 2014/15 current account Supplementary Estimate we seek for the Mini stry of Public Works, $2,606,021.
The ChairmanChairmanIn total, it is $2,607,702. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Madam Chairman, there is a second supplementary of conservation— The Chairman: You are going to do one at a time? Perfect. That is perfect. That is fine. Are there any Members that would like to speak to item 1 on the …
In total, it is $2,607,702. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Madam Chairman, there is a second supplementary of conservation— The Chairman: You are going to do one at a time? Perfect. That is perfect. That is fine. Are there any Members that would like to speak to item 1 on the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for financial year 2014/15? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, the Minister’s presentation began by saying that this supplementary was basically as a result of unexpected items following the hurr icane and the clean- up of the hurricane. So he led me down that road to think that the bulk of this expend iture was going to be hurricane related. I stand to be corrected, Minister, but I think you said that only $97,000 went towards the hurricane and that the other $2.5 million was basically for inve ntory adjustment. Inventory? I am paused. I am really standing here paused trying to think, Okay, how do I justify a $2. 5 million of inventory adjustment ? I was prepared to absorb the $2.6 million as some type of hurricane major expense that was not expected. But of the $2.6 million you are saying less than $100,000 was hurricane r elated, the rest was all inventory adjustment. I am standing here dazed trying to find a better explanation of what type of inventory adjustment ran us up $2.5 million.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, and thank you, Madam Chairman. I can understand the concern by the Honourable Member. I was not misleading. In my first par agraph, I said “and for inventory adjustment.” So, I mentioned both. Just to clear that part …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Certainly, and thank you, Madam Chairman. I can understand the concern by the Honourable Member. I was not misleading. In my first par agraph, I said “and for inventory adjustment.” So, I mentioned both. Just to clear that part up. As far as the discrepancy and the (let me just make sure I get it correct) $2.5 million, a little over $2.5 million, the Honourable Member in the past was the Minister for this particular area. This inventory a djustment goes back several years where we moved from the old system (what was it called), the JD E dwards [World] system, into the Enterprise One (E1) system. And what we found as we started to do more inventories was that there were tons, as you can i magine by the dollar value, of items that were just not recorded at all. There was no recording of them at all. And so, we had to then, of course, in 2014 go into ensuring that these things were recorded. What was happening with the manual system was . . . and, of course, appreciating the fact that it was a manual system, some things were going mis sing. In fact, some items (parts and things) were coming into the storehouse but were never entered into the JD system. So, they came in and went out and then, of course, were recorded. Unfortunately, sometimes months later, som etimes years later, because it was a manual sy stem . . . and I appreciate the fact that, you know, this has been a challenge; it is a legacy issue. We just want to make sure that we are getting this right and that the items that are supposed to be recorded in the E1 system are actually getting recorded and we have it up to date. So, in 2014/15 they were making that adjus tment to ensure, and when the books were audited it was realised that we did have this problem with inventory.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Madam Chairman, I was just a little confused by the statement made by the Minister. He said there was no recording at all …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Madam Chairman, I was just a little confused by the statement made by the Minister. He said there was no recording at all with the old system. They were never entered into the sy stem stock. So, therefore, would that not mean we have more stock? If you had found stock that was not in the system, would that not mean that you have more stock instead of having to buy more stock? [Inaudible interjection]
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Minister said that is why they made the adjustment. But it is not a negative, it is an increase. So, I am sort of lost with that.
Bermuda House of Assembly Now, I can understand the Minister having to stock up on some more slate and vacuum cleaners in case any of his colleagues have damage. I can understand that. But, you know, this comment about no recording at all and never entered into the system — that would tell me that, you know, if I bought six carbu-rettors and I did not enter them in stock becaus e my systems were screwed up, and then I come to count my stock, well, I have six! Well, hold it; let me go spend $2.5 million buying some more carburettors. Something does not make sense there.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, this is simply . . . I understand maybe his confusion, but this is a tec hnical supplementary here. We are trying to make sure that we get the numbers recorded for that fiscal year after having …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, this is simply . . . I understand maybe his confusion, but this is a tec hnical supplementary here. We are trying to make sure that we get the numbers recorded for that fiscal year after having been audited. If you can appreciate the scenario that he gave. When I said that sometimes some of these items were not being recorded, at some point in time we need to account for that. We just cannot blow them up in smoke and say, Well, you know, we know we got them somehow, but we are not going to record them at any time. The challenge with this here is that in some areas, many areas in fact, these items were not even recorded into the system until years later —after a year had gone by, when it should have been done within the fiscal year. And so now we are trying to catch up with that fiscal year to ensure that those items, after being audited, are reflected on that year. I cannot r eflect on this current year. I have to reflect them on that particular year when we purchased th ose items. So, going from the JD system into the E1 system, many of these things were not recorded and so now we have to take them physically and record them to that parti cular fiscal year. So, I understand the confusion, and I understand, you know, their concern. We are not actually spending that money; we are recording that $2 million that should have been recorded way back in 2014/15.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, I think your last line helped to bring some balance— Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: —in that, when you tried to respond to my colleague and you …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, I think your last line helped to bring some balance—
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes.
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: —in that, when you tried to respond to my colleague and you started off by giving us more confusion rather than clarity. Let me try and bring it back, in my words, then. It appears that you had a stockroom full of items that had not been recorded. And when you went through to check that stockroom of items, you found out that here are 10 items that came from one partic ular year, another 10 items from a different particular year, and now you are putting them . . . they were i nputted into the system at the expense which is now shown as $2.5 million. So, it actually was not $2.5 mi llion that was spent; it was $2.5 million that was never recorded.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: That is right. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Never recorded. [Crosstalk ] Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Well, here is my next question then. Here is my next question: This $2.5 million was not recorded, but there was $2.5 million that had to be spent at some point.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: At some point. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, somewhere along the line, somebody wrote out a cheque for $2.5 million and it slipped through the whole system. And that adds more confusion to all of this, meaning, som ebody could write $2.5 million that is never recorded.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Well, not all at once. Okay, but it is still $2.5 million that somehow . . . cheques were written for purchases and no paper trail. No paper trail. If we had not gone and done an audit of our inventory we would never have found this. And ever ybody is saying “right.” So they all agree with me. But it does not add any clarity to understanding this other than there was a real mix up and somehow, us being able to spend $2.5 million and not properly recording the fact that $2.5 million . . . Madam Chairman, I see you nodding your head. If you were to spend $2.00 today you wou ld record where that $2.00 goes —
The ChairmanChairmanAbsolutely. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, you know, if you spent $200, you would know where it goes. If you spent $2,000, you would know where it goes. If you spent $20,000 you would know where it goes. The Ch airman: If I do not record it — 1558 20 …
Absolutely.
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, you know, if you spent $200, you would know where it goes. If you spent $2,000, you would know where it goes. If you spent $20,000 you would know where it goes.
The Ch airman: If I do not record it — 1558 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Surely, if you spent $2 million, I would expect you to know where it goes.
The ChairmanChairmanBut if I do not record it . . . Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Well, you do not record it . . . Okay.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, if you bought inventory, there is no way that you are going to get $2 million worth of inventory and …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 5.
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, if you bought inventory, there is no way that you are going to get $2 million worth of inventory and not pay for it. Right? So, this is a supplement to spend money.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: What?
Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: If you did not record it, it has not been introduced to spend any more money, you know, because you already spent the money.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: We are just accounting for it. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: So, this only accounts . . . if it was accounting for it, it would not come here for a supplementary. It would not come here for a supplementary if it is accounting for it.
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No it would not, because this is to spend money. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: It is not. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: This is a supplementary expenditure. That is what it is. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Wow. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Come on, you guys.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Again, we are attempting to account for items, unfortunately, that were not recorded within the fiscal year. I did say that …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Again, we are attempting to account for items, unfortunately, that were not recorded within the fiscal year. I did say that this was a bit of a legacy issue. I would have appreciated that when the former Gov-ernment was Government that they would have cleared this stuff up. It is a legacy issue. We go back years with this particular issue. So all we are attempting to do is clear it up. We are not spending this money. We are allocated it. It is a technical supplementary, as the Finance Minister said. It is an adjustment to our books to ensure that it is recorded to that fiscal year so that we cannot say that we have not recorded it to that year.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, you know —
The ChairmanChairmanMember, let me just acknowledge you. I recognise the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you —
The ChairmanChairmanThere were two Members standing. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam, I do not know why when the Government gets in a jam they start blaming the former Government. This is from 2014/15. The last time we were in Government was in 2012. So, do not blame the previous Government …
There were two Members standing. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam, I do not know why when the Government gets in a jam they start blaming the former Government. This is from 2014/15. The last time we were in Government was in 2012. So, do not blame the previous Government for this here. Come on, you cannot blame us for that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I did not blame the previous Government. I said it was an issue of legacy that went back years while they were Government as well. It should have been cleared up even then. …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I did not blame the previous Government. I said it was an issue of legacy that went back years while they were Government as well. It should have been cleared up even then. But we are just attempting to clear it up. We have gotten to this point. Auditing of the books does not always happen in a timely fashion, and so for that year of 2014/15 we are ensuring that we get to it. I am making sure that under my watch I account for ever ything. That is all I am attempting to do here. It is a technical supplementary. I am trying to explain it, but I cannot comprehend it for them. So, if they want to go to the technical officers, then they can, to get further explanation. I understand inventory very well. So . . .
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, there is some confusion, because supplementaries means that we are spending additional money. I said supplementaries means we …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, there is some confusion, because supplementaries means that we are spending additional money. I said supplementaries means we are spen ding additional money. Supplementaries mean we are spending additional money. That is what it means. So, you come to the House for supplementary for us to approve it. That is what it means. Now, if somebody wants to make some journal entry up there in the Works and Engineering, or wherever department it is in, you make the journal entry. But you cannot be telling me I am coming here to approve $2 million that was already approved. That is what does not make sense to this House. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Chairman, let me speak to you— The Chairman: Yes, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: If the Honourable Member who speaks to the Premier has got inventory and he is now going to his brother and saying, Listen we got to spend out $200,000. You can make a journal entry from the accountant. But supplementaries . . . and please correct me. Supplementaries means that we are coming up here and asking this Honourable House to approve for more money. I am looking at two individuals up there. Please correct me because if I am wrong then I stand to be corrected.
[Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou are wrong. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The supplementaries means that we are spending more money. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Point of order. Point of order.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Finance Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I think maybe I should help the Honourable Member out. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, no. Am I misleading the House? Because—
The ChairmanChairmanNo, you are not — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: You are misleading the House, Honourable Member.
The ChairmanChairmanMember, the Chair recognises the Finance Minister so that we can look at the fact that supplementaries are actually money that has already been spent. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: This money has already been spent. As I said in my prepared remarks we are not spending any more money. …
Member, the Chair recognises the Finance Minister so that we can look at the fact that supplementaries are actually money that has already been spent.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: This money has already been spent. As I said in my prepared remarks we are not spending any more money. The actual Ministry came in under budget. Right? So, we are not spend-ing any more money. It just . . . this particular item had been discovered, basically, in an inventory check and had been going on for years. And, you know, in an enterprise of over a billion dollars these things can go awry. Remember, you know as an accountant that audits do not go check every i and dot every t. They do not add up all the numbers individually. They make tests and they missed this test, and then when this was found, this was done. But there is no extra money having been spent here. The Ministry came in under budget so there is no extra money being spent here. It is just that it could not be reallocated and that is what we are doing. It is a technical supplementary, not any extra money being spent.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Again, I stand to be correc ted. I know the Minister is not spending more money. That is what he told us. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is my point. I am asking what …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Again, I stand to be correc ted. I know the Minister is not spending more money. That is what he told us.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is my point. I am asking what am I approving . . . what am I approving? Am I approving a journal entry? What am I approving, Madam Chairman?
The ChairmanChairmanThe Supplementary that is before us. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Supplementary of what? We are not spending any money
The ChairmanChairmanMoney that has already been spent. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But this Honourable House has already approved it. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This Honourable House has already approved the money. [Inaudible interjections] 1560 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So …
Money that has already been spent. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But this Honourable House has already approved it.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: This Honourable House has already approved the money. [Inaudible interjections] 1560 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So again, we are making a big joke out of this. We are making a big joke out of it. We just passed a budget; we do not know what we passed. Now, we are asking this House to pass mon-ey that we do not know what we are passing. It does not make sense, Madam Chairman. It is becoming a circus by the Minister of Finance and Premier. It is a journal entry. I am asking the accountant over there, the one accountant in the House right now, to stand up and announce to this Honourable House what we are spending. It is a supplementary. You come to this House asking for a supplementary budget approval. So we are saying we are going to approve 2 milli on-some- dollars, for what? Because somebody made a mistake counting some inventory?
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But then why are we appro ving, Mr. Finance Minister? What am I approving? That some accountant can make some journal ent ry? Come on.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I will quote my Honour able colleague, you know, we can explain it to you, but we cannot comprehend it for you. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Madam Chairman, my only reason for rising at this point was to [provide clarific ation for] the Minister of Finance. The Minister of F inance just now when he was attempting to explain this matter away …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Madam Chairman, my only reason for rising at this point was to [provide clarific ation for] the Minister of Finance. The Minister of F inance just now when he was attempting to explain this matter away said the good thing about it was that the budget for the Ministry came in under budget. Is that correct, Minister? If I look here in the Budget Book for the year 2014/15, the original estimate for this Ministry was $77 million. The revised 2014/15 was actually $81 million. I believe that is more than $[77] million, so they did not come in under budget.
[Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimat e (No. 2) item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. We have deer in headlights over there now after that revelation. Now, …
Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimat e (No. 2) item 1? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. We have deer in headlights over there now after that revelation. Now, Madam Chairman, I just wanted to point out, because, you know, at the end of the day what are we going to do is take a vote and they are going to . . . and, mind you, the two Independent Members might have something to say about this. The fact of the matter is we are talking about a supplementary for year 2014/15. And if this money is for parts and equipment that were purchased, as the Minister said, a legacy before, this is for the year 2014/15. So, this tells me it is for parts and equipment that were bought in 2014/15. The Minister is shaking his head. I think it was made very clear by the Honourable Member Dennis Lister who just said that the budget was $4 million over budget during that partic ular fiscal year. So, they can say we do not understand it, but I tell you what, we have got accountants and people w ith a little bit of accounting experience over this side, and we cannot get it.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other individuals that would like to speak to item 1 on the Supplementary Estimate? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency
The ChairmanChairmanThe chair recognises the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, a supplementary is for money spent, but not approved. That is what it is.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Is that a question for the Minister? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Chair.
The ChairmanChairmanMember, it should be a question for the Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Chair. You are supposed rule on this.
The ChairmanChairmanI have already, Member . And it was . . . a supplementary is for money that has already been spent by a Ministry —has already been spent by a Ministry. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And not approved.
The ChairmanChairmanAnd not approved, as the supplement is before us. Hon. Wayne L. Furber t: Right. Bermuda House of Assembly No, no, no, no. This is not supplementary. The Finance Minister and the Minister said these funds have already been approved; we are just making some adjustment. That is what they …
And not approved, as the supplement is before us. Hon. Wayne L. Furber t: Right.
Bermuda House of Assembly No, no, no, no. This is not supplementary. The Finance Minister and the Minister said these funds have already been approved; we are just making some adjustment. That is what they said. So the mon-ey has already been approved by this Honourable House.
The ChairmanChairmanIt is a technical supplementary. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: What does that mean, Ma dam Chairman, a technical supplementary?
The ChairmanChairmanIt means that in order for the books to be . . . in my humble opinion, and I am not an accountant and never will pretend to be— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, we understand that.
The ChairmanChairmanBut you are, Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The ChairmanChairmanWould be that it is representing a value of merchandise in this particular case of parts that have not been put into a book that had been purchased. That is my — [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanYou asked what my understanding was. [Inaudible interjection]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, the reason we are here discussing this is because this has not been approved. All right? So it has not been approved; but it has been spent. I want to correct something because the 2014/15 …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, the reason we are here discussing this is because this has not been approved. All right? So it has not been approved; but it has been spent. I want to correct something because the 2014/15 current account expenditure was approx imately $2.6 million, or 1.2 per cent below the original budget. So this was . . . the budget in its entirety was under budget. All right? That is the point that was be-ing made here, like the overall government budget was 1.2 per cent under budget. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: That’s right. In this Ministry, we have this expenditure that needs to be approved by this House. Okay?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members . . . the Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, it becomes a little bit clearer now that the Minister of Finance spoke up. But all this time it has been some technical supplemen-tary. All the Minister …
Thank you. Are there any other Members . . . the Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, it becomes a little bit clearer now that the Minister of Finance spoke up. But all this time it has been some technical supplemen-tary. All the Minister had to say at the beginning was that these funds have not been approved.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: That’s correct. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That’s fine. That is why we are here. But there is no “technical;” we have not a pproved it. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, I am not going to argue semantics with you. The Ch airman: Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15, item 1? [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I move that Supplementary 2014/15 be approved for Public Works.
The ChairmanChairmanFor Head 36, Ministry Headquarters, Ministry of Public Works, a total of $2,606,021? It would be proposed that the sum stand part of the E stimates as printed. Any objections?
The ChairmanChairmanNo objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 36, Ministry of Public Works Headquarters passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanWould you please move to item 2? It is under Conservation Services, Head 65. Thank you. [No audible reply]
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed . . . go ahead, please make your proposal. [Cross talk]
The ChairmanChairmanYes, actually, because of the total , it is only $1,681.00, it comes under . . . so there is no need. So what we will actually do is . . . I am now going to— 1562 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. MembersYes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Madam Chairman, the way it is presented is right, because at that time Con-servation came under Public Works. So when you said at first it was $2.6 million, you were correct. That is why it is here.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberOoh. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes it is.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberWe have already approved that.
The ChairmanChairmanWe have already done item 1, now we are down to item 2. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: No, you do not understand. No, no, I am talking about item 2.
The ChairmanChairmanRight. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: It was a total of $2.6 million because it was under Public Works, because this here . . . this, really would not appear on the paper it would go under Conservation because it is under $250,000.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberAll capital items are debatable.
The ChairmanChairmanIt is on item 2, it is a separate item. And with the two items together it comes to the total of $2,607,000. So right now, as it is on the line under Capital Development . . . sorry, as part of the Capital account, it is for $1,681.00. Hon. …
It is on item 2, it is a separate item. And with the two items together it comes to the total of $2,607,000. So right now, as it is on the line under Capital Development . . . sorry, as part of the Capital account, it is for $1,681.00.
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: All capital items are d ebatable. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanPlease proceed. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I rise before the House today seeking approval for additional funding of $1,681 above the approved budget for capital deve lopment, cost centre 75270, for the budget year 2014/15. The 2014/15 former Department of Conservation Services (DCS) had a capital development budget for …
Please proceed.
Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I rise before the House today seeking approval for additional funding of $1,681 above the approved budget for capital deve lopment, cost centre 75270, for the budget year 2014/15. The 2014/15 former Department of Conservation Services (DCS) had a capital development budget for minor works with a total authorised funding of $300,000. Its purpose was to facilitate the minor repair and improvement of the Bermuda Aquarium Museum and Zoo [BAMZ], as well as the government Nature Reserve under its management. Madam Chairman, at issue is the overspend of $1,681.00 over the approved budget for that year, which represents a 0.56 per cent overspend for that cost centre. In 2014/15, the department’s focus was the planned renovation of the interior of the aquarium hole and the aquarium displays. However, the department had to contend with numerous emergencies, including emergency bathroom repairs, hurricane debris clear-ance and water tank repairs. The overspend was as-sociated with the repair of a major leak in BAMZ’s main freshwater tank that occurred in March 2015. The leak was so severe that the tank would run completely dry every two days requiring filling using tanker trucks at a significant cost. Madam Chairman, while the overspend is u nfortunate, the ability to supply fresh water for staff, our visitors and animals, was deemed vital for continued running of the Bermuda Aquarium Museum facility. Madam Chairman, with these brief remarks I now invite other Honourable Members to participate. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2 on Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 13.
Mr. Diallo V. S. RabainThank you, Madam Chai rman. Listening to the explanation of what the expense was for it seems like it was quite justified, especially when you are talking about the main tank at the aquarium, one of the main attractions at that [f acility]. And, as the Minister said, the tank …
Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Listening to the explanation of what the expense was for it seems like it was quite justified, especially when you are talking about the main tank at the aquarium, one of the main attractions at that [f acility]. And, as the Minister said, the tank would run dry after so many hours if this repair were not effec ted. So, on this side we have no objections to this spend of $1,681.00.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2? There are none. It has been proposed that the total sum of $1,681.00 under Capital Development, minor works, Head 65, Conservation Services stand part of the E stimate as printed. Are there any objections …
Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2? There are none. It has been proposed that the total sum of $1,681.00 under Capital Development, minor works, Head 65, Conservation Services stand part of the E stimate as printed. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Head 65, Conservation Services passed.]
Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for the Financial Year 2014/15 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
House resumed at 1:09 am [21 March 2017]
[Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2014/15
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Members. The consideration of Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15 has been ap-proved. We are going to move now to Order No. 11, the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. Minister of Finance. BILL SECOND READING SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINAN CIAL YEAR …
Thank you, Members. The consideration of Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2014/15 has been ap-proved. We are going to move now to Order No. 11, the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. Minister of Finance.
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SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINAN CIAL YEAR 2015/16
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I now move Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. This schedule identifies one item, totalling $122,801, to be included in the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for 2015/16 made up of Capital Account only. Honourable Members should note that in 2015/16 total current account expenditure was a pproximately $1.12 million, or 1.1 per cent below the original estimate of $1.1 billion. Therefore, in respect of a total of $122,801 supplementary, all is considered a technical supplementary. A technical supplementary indicates that the requirements for the additional fund-ing can be met within the original appropriated est imate, however, cannot be transferred since they are appropri ated within another Ministry and/or capital account. Honourable Members will recall that the crit eria for determining debatable supplementary est imates requires all items in current accounts to be debated if the total current account spending of a Mini stry shows an increase of greater than 10 per cent of $250,000 when compared to the original estimate. All capital items are debatable. Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16 identifies only one main expenditure item, the Department of Corrections capital project, minor works. Total capital account expenditure for 2015/16 was $25 million or 57.2 [per cent] below the original estimate of $68.7 million. Finally, the criterion that has already been described for this item on capi-tal account i s debatable.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you. Madam Deputy Speaker. House in Committee at 1:12 am [21 March 2017] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2015/16
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. It has been proposed that the sum of $122,801 stand for Head 65, the Ministry of the D epartment of Corrections. I call on the Premier. …
Thank you, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16. It has been proposed that the sum of $122,801 stand for Head 65, the Ministry of the D epartment of Corrections. I call on the Premier. And they are to be part of the Estimates as printed. Please proceed.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Before the Honourable Members of the Opposition have an opportunity to ask any questions, let me try to give a little bit more of an understanding to it. In 2014/15 there was money appropriated to minor works within Corrections, and, Madam Chair-man, not all the money was spent. It was spent on CCTV upgrades. It was requested that some of the money roll forward into the next financial year. And as Honourable Members can see, $350,000 was ap-proved as a TAF [total authorised figure] for prison minor works. It was found during the year that they needed to continue to do some works to the CCTV, so work was put out to tender. The tender came in higher than the approved TAF. It was approved by Cabinet and the work was done because we were very keen to take care of security issues in there and provide sec urity and safety for the officers who work in the Ministry. So this is asking for approval, a technical approval. I will say two things, Madam Chairman. In 2014/15, the original budget for Corrections was $26,174,000. It ended up under budget at $24,375,000. In 2015/16, the original budget was $24,866,000. Again, it ended up under budget at $24,591,000. I am sure all Honourable Members want to make sure that our officers up at the prison are working in a very safe and secure environment, and this went along that way to do it. 1564 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly I will say one last thing: This was approved by Cabinet, so there was oversight. So I am asking Honourable Members for understanding in this matter.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for F inancial Year 2015/16? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. RobanThank you, Madam Chairman. My only question is can I have a breakdown of what those minor works were, as to what that money was spent on? Was it only the CCTV that it was spent on? [Inaudible interjection]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary before us? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I just want to be clear. The Premier said, I think he said it was a TAF for $350[,000], …
Thank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary before us? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I just want to be clear. The Premier said, I think he said it was a TAF for $350[,000], and I think you say that the $122[,000] was over the $350 TAF?
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, which is a 35 per cent increase. So I just . . . I understand. I understand. Certainly, as the Premier said, we want our prison officers to be safe. But I also want people to note that what happens is you may have a TAF of one figure and you end up a substantially higher figure. I can pull out some things that the Government likes to talk about all the time, Port Royal, TDC, Dame Lois Browne -Evans building. These things happen. It starts with a TAF and as years go by things change. So, I thought I would just put that down for the record.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, the record is not too clear, though, because all those projects the Honourable Member mentioned were over budget. If you will look, as I have said, the last thing before I sat down, second to the last thing, …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Premier.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, the record is not too clear, though, because all those projects the Honourable Member mentioned were over budget. If you will look, as I have said, the last thing before I sat down, second to the last thing, the Department of Corrections was under budget for those two years, even with the actual $122,000 in there. One other thing I will say is the camera sy stem up at Corrections had been in need of repa ir, and we have done significant work over the past couple of years, even in this financial year, not only upgrading them, but putting in cameras in other areas because obviously there is always concern about stuff being thrown over the wall, blind spots that you cannot see, and we all know from the debate we had a couple of days ago there is apt for those incarcerated to be just a bit more violent than in the past. So we want to make sure that we offer the safety and security.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29 (he was faster on his feet, sorry). Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, thank you. I just need to clarify. The Premier said that they were under budget. They were under budget for the …
Thank you. Are there any Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29 (he was faster on his feet, sorry). Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, thank you. I just need to clarify. The Premier said that they were under budget. They were under budget for the entire Ministry. This particular project was 35 per cent over budget. Let us be clear; let us not try to hide under the overarching Ministry expenses. That par-ticular project was 35 per cent over its TAF figure. And that is the point I was trying to make. And he can . . . and the other thing, I can tell you this: Port Royal, in particular, Madam Chairman, was a hell of a lot less over the TAF and the figures that came before this House, the finishing number. Let us not confuse $8 million of operations at Port Royal with the actual cost of the project.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members who would actually like to speak to this [Supplementary Estimate]? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. RobanThe Premier mentioned that this was going to assist with dealing with some of the outstanding and important security issues of safety and coverage of gaps. Is the Premier saying that this has assisted generally with dealing with some of those issues, or is there ongoing work that is still …
The Premier mentioned that this was going to assist with dealing with some of the outstanding and important security issues of safety and coverage of gaps. Is the Premier saying that this has assisted generally with dealing with some of those issues, or is there ongoing work that is still being done to deal with gaps and security potentially in the visual of the perimeter and other things, in reference to the spending that has been done in this area?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: For clarity for the Honourable Member from constituency 15, I did mention that. There has been a lot more work that has gone on since that time under separate projects. Bermuda House of Assembly But for the elucidation of …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: For clarity for the Honourable Member from constituency 15, I did mention that. There has been a lot more work that has gone on since that time under separate projects.
Bermuda House of Assembly But for the elucidation of the Honourable Member from [constituency] 29, the TAF was put in there for minor works when we looked at what was required and we put it out for bid, we expected it to be more than that because we had some gaps in there that we had to cover and we had some serious cha llenges that we had to deal with. But overall, we have kept well within the allocated budget for that Ministry. You have seen the numbers that I read out. For 2015/16 we were just under $300,000 below budget. For the year before we were well over $1 million b elow budget. If we had carried that TAF forward, the money that was not used forward for 2015/16, we would have been all right. But we knew we could operate with what we had and get it done.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any individuals who would like to speak to the [Supplementary Estimate] before us? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes. Oh yes.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: For the halluciating [ sic] Premier, let me state—
The ChairmanChairmanAh, Member — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He called me “ hallucia ting”[sic], and you didn’t say a word.
The ChairmanChairmanI’m sorry. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So I am just ret urning it.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberHe didn’t say that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes he did! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, Madam — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes he did. I’m not deaf —
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, have a seat. An Hon. Mem ber: “Elucidate.”
The ChairmanChairmanI know, “elucidate.” He meant to clar ify—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberClarify. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Hansard will have my comments, and I will prove him wrong once again. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He said “for the halluciati ng [sic] Member .”
The ChairmanChairmanThe word he used was to clarify —
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members“Elucidate.” Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Well, let me, let me . . . let me just clear him up. Let me just clear him up.
The ChairmanChairmanYou have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you. Let me clear him up. You see, the Honourable Premier said it was $350[,000] we knew it was going to be more. That was his word. When they put it out to bid he knew it …
You have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you. Let me clear him up. You see, the Honourable Premier said it was $350[,000] we knew it was going to be more. That was his word. When they put it out to bid he knew it was going to be more. Hmm. Okay. Thank you very much for clarifying that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any Members who would like to speak to this Supplementary? There are none. Premier? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Ma’am, I move that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. It is proposed that the sum of $122,801 under Head 65, Capital Development for minor works under the Department of Corrections stand part of the Est imates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year …
Thank you. It is proposed that the sum of $122,801 under Head 65, Capital Development for minor works under the Department of Corrections stand part of the Est imates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16 ( Head 65, the Ministry of the Department of Corrections) was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment .]
House resumed 1:20 am [21 March 2017]
[Hon. K . H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chai r]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 2) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2015/16
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Members, the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16 has been approved. 1566 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly We move now to Order No. 12, consideration of Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2016/17. Minister of Finance, you have the …
Thank you, Honourable Members, the Supplementary Estimate (No. 2) for Financial Year 2015/16 has been approved. 1566 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly We move now to Order No. 12, consideration of Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2016/17. Minister of Finance, you have the floor.
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SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 1) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2016/17
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The schedule identif ies nine items totalling $25,476,209 to be included in the Supplementary E stimate (No. 1) for 2016/17 made up of $15,854,506 on current account and $9,621,643 on Capital Account. Honourable Members will note in respect of the total of $25,476,209 supplementary, $1,140,000 is anticipated to be a technical supplementary. A tec hnical supplementary indicates a requirement for addi-tional funding can be met within the original appropr iated estimates, however, cannot be transferred since they are appropriated wi thin another Ministry or capital account. Honourable Members are aware that the Ministry of Finance has introduced enhanced ongoing budget monitoring and control exercises. This process includes quarterly reporting to the Cabinet on the overall financial performance of the Government’s expenditures and revenues. In the course of ministries budget monitoring and control exercises they report to the Ministry of Finance the additional expenditures included in this supplementary estimate. Due to these above budget expenditures Cabinet instituted several cost-saving measures in order to remain as close as possible to the Government’s 2016/17 total budget appropriation of $1.198 billion. These measures were appropriately implemented and have had some suc-cess in holding total expenditures close to the total budget allocation. It was because of this intervention and efforts that the total actual current and capital expenditures for this fiscal year should come in very close to the $1.198 billion appropriated in the budget. Honourable Members will recall that the crit eria for determining debatable supplementary est imates requires all items of current account be debat-ed if the total current accounts end of a Ministry show an increase of greater than 1 per cent of $250,000 when compared to the original estimate. All capital items are debatable. Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) 2016/17 is a combination of above budget and unanticipated ex-penditure items. Of the total supplementary request, approximately $12.2 million for the Ministry of Tourism Development and Transport Department, of which 6.7 pertains to the delayed Authority set up of Civil Avi ation and Maritime Administration, along with the Ber-muda Casino Gaming Commission grant, overtime, inventory and fuel costs of $3.6 million for the Ministry of Education additional funding required for the subst itute teachers and paraprofessionals for all schools. Total current account spending for 2016/17 is forecast to be $932.1 million, or $10.5 million, or 1 per cent higher than the original budget of $921.6 million. On the current account, $6.1 million relates to capital development projects for the Ministry of Tourism D evelopment and Transport which includes $3.6 million for the new Bermuda Airport Authority to complete remaining capital projects retained by the Government in 2016.17; $1.4 million to assist the Corporation of St. George’s with refurbishment to their dock; $1.2 million due to the delayed Authority setup of Civil Aviation and Maritime Administration; $3.5 million pertains to the Ministry of Public Works projects; and $0.5 million to support uninsured works related to Hurricane N icole; and $3.0 million to support West End Development Corporation in the restoration of Moresby House. In respect of all capital project savings from existing capital projects have been identified, howe ver, a technical supplementary is required to establish a revised and/or total authorised figure, or TAF, for 2016/17, and the set-up of new projects. Total capital account spending for 2016/17 is forecast to be $85.5 million, or $ 11.7 million, or 2 per cent, below the ori ginal estimate of $87.3 [million]. Applying the criteria I have just described in the current account, both capital items are debatable. Therefore, I will allow Honourable Members . . . I think I move to go to Committee.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerCommittee, yes. Madam Deputy Speaker. House in Committee at 1:28 am [21 March 2017] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 1) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2016/17
The ChairmanChairmanMembers, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2016/1 7. It has been proposed that the sum of . . . and we are going to go by item numbers. It has been pr oposed for the …
Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for consideration of the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for Financial Year 2016/1 7. It has been proposed that the sum of . . . and we are going to go by item numbers. It has been pr oposed for the first item number that the sum of $327,600 for Head 63, the non- Ministry Department stand part of the Estimate as printed. I call on the Premier to proceed.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
Bermuda House of Assembly As you said, this Supplementary is for $327,600 which relates to the referendum held on 23 June 2016 on same- sex relationships. The total cost of the referendum of $342,896. There was an amount of $15,296 that was taken from another cost centre within that department. So the request tonight is for the $327,600. It was used, amongst other things, on advertising production under TV code of about $26,000; software maintenance of about $23,000; printing of all election materials and ballot papers for the referendum of $44,000; election workers compen-sation through the time of about $129,000.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You will recall the debate we had in this Honourable Chamber, Madam Chairman, where the Leader of the Opposition started the debate for the Opposition and sa id, 1“Mr. Speaker, I stand on behalf of the Loyal Opposition to state that our position as a party is in support of this Referendum Bill.” Honourable Member, MP Weeks, from constituency 16, said at the time, 2“I too am in strong support of this referendum . . . I agree with people and human rights. But I think that this particular issue should go to the people . . . as I take my seat, I am very much in support of this referendum. ” So I have outlined some of the details of it. I am happy to answer any more questions on it.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for F inancial Year 2016/17? There are no Members. Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, we are going to move on. The Chairm an: Okay. I would propose . . . it would …
Thank you. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for F inancial Year 2016/17? There are no Members. Premier.
Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, we are going to move on. The Chairm an: Okay. I would propose . . . it would be proposed that the sum of $327,600 for the current ac-count referendum, Head 63, Non- Ministry, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Head 6 3, Non- Ministry Department, passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Item number 2. The Chair recognises the Mi nister of Education. You have the floor. 1 Official Hansard Report , 11 March 2016 2 Ibid. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman, educ ation is fundamental to shaping a preferred direction for the future of Bermuda locally and …
Thank you. Item number 2. The Chair recognises the Mi nister of Education. You have the floor.
1 Official Hansard Report , 11 March 2016 2 Ibid. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Madam Chairman, educ ation is fundamental to shaping a preferred direction for the future of Bermuda locally and globally. Our educ ation system must therefore be one that provides the required programmes and services that will equip our students with the knowledge and skills they need to be successful in a rapidly changing soc iety. Madam Chairman, the Department of Educ ation was allocated an original budget estimate of $107,085,000 for 2016/17 fiscal year for the provision of public education. However, as a result of increased demand for teaching and support services for the pu blic schools’ diverse population of students, a suppl ementary of $3,358,208 is now required. These add itional monies will be used to fund the cost centres for paraprofessionals and substitute teachers. Madam Chairman, the $976,716 is needed to fund the shortfall for the paraprofessional budget, while $2,381,492 is needed to fund the shortfall in the substitute teacher cost centre. Madam Chairman, when I presented the 2017/18 budget for the Department of Education, I shared that the student services section facilitates the provision of 11 different programmes that support a diverse arrangements for the special learning needs of our student population. One of these programmes is the delivery of paraprofessional support services. It is important that skilled paraprofessionals are in place as they provide instructional support, ensure protec-tion and safety, and provide support for transition and life skills for students with special needs. Madam Chairman, at any point during the course of a school year a student may enter the public school system for the first time and have a special need that must be serviced by the Department of E ducation. Also, there are students who may already be in the system who after needed assessment require immediate services of a paraprofessional. In line with the Education Act of 1996 every child has the right to receive free public education suited to their age, abi lity, special needs, aptitude and health. As such, the department is committed to providing continued educational services that support the diverse special needs of our student population, and in this instance, the provision of paraprofessional support services. Madam Chairman, in 2016/17 we had approximately 92 paraprofessionals on our staff. Madam Chairman, let me now turn to the supplementary for the substitute teacher services which is essential and must also be continued during the current school year. All schools at some point dur-ing the year will have a genuine need for coverage of teachers due to short -term and long- term illnesses, vacation leave, resignations, family care, or even sud-den death. Madam Chairman, there are allocated subst itute teachers who are assigned to special schools for the year. There are also on- call substitute teachers who are called in on a daily, weekly or monthly basis 1568 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly to provide teacher coverage. Our students still need to be taught and supervised when teachers are away from school. This service is also critical to help sup-port school principals in the efficient management of their schools. Madam Chairman, in 2016/17 we had approximately 45 temporary teachers on staff. Madam Chairman, the original budget est imates for these two cost centres could at any time be underfunded or overfunded due to the unknown, that is, not knowing if or when the service will be suddenly required. As such, the supplementary request is for delivery of continued paraprofessionals and substitute teacher support services to meet the educational needs of our students during the 2016/17 year. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Are there any Members who would like to speak to item 2? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 3.
Ms. Lovitta F. FoggoThank you, Madam Chairman. I thank the Minister for his detailed comments. What I would say in terms of substitute teachers in particular where we are needing an extra $2 million, and though it is somewhat of an unknown fact, there are trends that can be looked at. If you …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. I thank the Minister for his detailed comments. What I would say in terms of substitute teachers in particular where we are needing an extra $2 million, and though it is somewhat of an unknown fact, there are trends that can be looked at. If you look at the trends where the substitute teaching staff has been reduced down to . . . it was up around 60- something, dropped down to 20- some teachers, and now for the last few years it has been 40- something. But that has still proven not to be an adequate number of teachers because people always do get sick, that is one thing that we can rely on and we should be looking at trends and be putting together a more accurate budget that can better accommodate what one would know would be needed, because you do have death, you do have sickness, and if you looked at the tr ends, you can sort of follow those trends and put together a bet-ter budget. When we look at paraprofessionals and I think that when you are looking at almost a million dollars that had to be allocated to cover the funding for paraprofessionals and I think the only difference we have seen in that profession is about a change of one, maximum two, paraprofessionals from one year to the next, again, I would suggest that we look at this from that perspective and try to put a budget in place that meets and can properly fund that area within educ ation. And I think that is about all that can be said be-cause those two areas really cater to specific needs of the student and the classroom demands. So it will fluctuate. But again, trends will show that we can put a budget together that better meets those categories. And I will end with that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My comment would be exactly what the Shadow Education Minister just said. But I would add this to it, because I think she touched on …
Thank you, Member. Any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. My comment would be exactly what the Shadow Education Minister just said. But I would add this to it, because I think she touched on it, but I do not know if the point was driven home. We should be able to have enough trends in our history to budget better than we have. To think that we are like, you know, $3 million over budget is unacceptable. Now, I understand that the Minister, and he has just come in, so, you know, we cannot point too many fingers at him. He has a job to do and he is car-rying the baton. So that is ok ay. But Minister, the thing is, are you confident that going forward . . . surely, you must have seen this coming as a new Minister. You certainly should have been informed because you have to carry . . . you have to take the brunt tonight. The question I have for you is, Are you confident that in this year’s budget you will not have another $3 mi llion overspend?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, very much. I would like to basically support what the Shadow Education Minister has said. We could have studied the trends more closely in regard to the subst itute teachers. As for the paraprofessionals, that is …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, very much. I would like to basically support what the Shadow Education Minister has said. We could have studied the trends more closely in regard to the subst itute teachers. As for the paraprofessionals, that is b asically based directly on the number of students that we have entering the system who have special needs. So, as a consequence, if the intake of students with special needs increased, then we have to support them with the required paraprofessionals. So the trends for them are a bit more difficult to predict. But for the substitute teachers, I take your point. Thank you. So, Madam Chairman—
The ChairmanChairmanThere is another Member who would like to speak, sorry. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Sorry.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, Madam Chairman, it has nothing to do with trends. Nothing to do with trends. And all the Ministers over there know that, particularly the Minister of Finance. The Minister of F inance tells you this is what …
The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6.
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, Madam Chairman, it has nothing to do with trends. Nothing to do with trends. And all the Ministers over there know that, particularly the Minister of Finance. The Minister of F inance tells you this is what you get, that is what you get, because if you look at the budget for 2016/17 and the revised was $3 million over. But then it went down to 126. I am sure it did not come out of the depar tment, because it is nothing with trends. You can guarBermuda House of Assembly antee we will be back here again next year for more money, more supplementary. That is the problem. It has nothing to do with trends. We already had the trends for the last 50 years. We just have been under budgeting once again.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 2? T he Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. I move Head 17.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of $3,358,208 for the Ministry of Education, Head 17, current account, which included substitute teacher s and paraprofessionals, stand as part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 17, Ministry of Education …
The ChairmanChairmanNow we are moving to number 3, and that would be the Ministry of Tourism, Development and Transport for the proposed sum of $12,168,758. The request is for it to stand for Heads 48, 30, 31, 35, . . . sorry, no. That was just for one, that would be …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsYes. Let us start by saying that the original est imate for the Ministry totalled $89,207,000 and the supplementary estimate of $12,168,000 represents about 13.6 per cent of the original estimate. I think as we get into it, Honourable Members will see that the bulk of the supplementary estimate is …
Yes. Let us start by saying that the original est imate for the Ministry totalled $89,207,000 and the supplementary estimate of $12,168,000 represents about 13.6 per cent of the original estimate. I think as we get into it, Honourable Members will see that the bulk of the supplementary estimate is primarily related to funding required for continued operations in fiscal year 2016/17 for the Department of Civil Aviation, which is Head 57; Department of Maritime Administr ation, Head 73; and Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission. These are in many respects technical sup-plementaries and about seven million is just relating to timing issues, as the Member who speaks for Finance said in the House. So, let me start with Ministry Headquarters, which i s the small Roman numeral (i) there, Head 48, and that is the Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, $2,500,000. I think Honourable Members will be aware of the roll of the Bermuda Gaming Commission established in September 2015 is to maintain an ad-ministrative system for the licensing, supervision and control of casinos in Bermuda under the Casino Gam-ing Act 2014. Now, the Commission was scheduled to r eceive operational funds in the form of an interest free loan in the amount of $3,760,000. The loan was to be payable in quarterly instalments of $630,000 from the Ministry with a final instalment payment of $610,000 up to December 31, 2016. In essence, two instalments, totalling $1,260,000 were made in the fiscal year 2015/16, however, late in 2015/16 it was det ermined that legislation and the following loan agreement could be considered constructionally incomplete and, therefore, out of an abundance of caution the payments were actually halted. This resulted in cash flow issues for the Commission that had to be a ddressed. Madam Chairman, to ensure the continued viability of the Commission, the Ministry took the dec ision to provide quarterly payments of $630,000 by way of a grant until such time that the appropriate amendments to the legislation and loan agreement were made. As a result of the above, payments to the Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission for the fiscal year 2016/17 will total $2,500,000.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, very much. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 48, Ministry Headquarters, Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, $250,000? The Chair recognises the Leader of the O pposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, it is just …
Thank you, very much. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 48, Ministry Headquarters, Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, $250,000? The Chair recognises the Leader of the O pposition.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, it is just a very simple thing. The first thing is that the Minister is completely incorrect. This is not a “technical” supplementary. A technical supplementary is where you find money in other places to cover it. Unless the Minister has found something else in the Ministry of Transport where it seems as though you are spending an extra, I don’t know, $12 million, then it is not a technical supplementary. This is money brought by false budgets to this Parliament where, all of a sudden, the Gover nment said, Ah, we need to come back and have some more money to spend. So, just let us be very clear; this is not a technical supplementary. This is an actual supplementary. 1570 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly The question is, given the challenges and the slow implementation of gaming to date, how confident is the Minister that there will not be any more technical supplementaries next year?
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. The technical supplementaries I was referring to were the two for basically the Bermuda Shipping and Maritime Authority and the Civil Aviation Author ity. Those are technical supplementaries, and we will get into those later. The Commission is, in fact, one where there was going to …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. The technical supplementaries I was referring to were the two for basically the Bermuda Shipping and Maritime Authority and the Civil Aviation Author ity. Those are technical supplementaries, and we will get into those later. The Commission is, in fact, one where there was going to be a loan, an interest -free loan. For, I will just say technical reasons, the loan . . . because of the supporting legislation the loan could not be continued. And, as a consequence . . . and the Honourable Member is quite right. Payments had to be made to keep the Commission going. I think the Ministry seems to be satisfied that they can continue next year, because I do not think there is anything budget-ed for them in the current budget for next year 2017/18.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Head 48? The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. The Minister just said he does not anticipate any more overspends this …
Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Head 48? The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. The Minister just said he does not anticipate any more overspends this year. Minister, would that be because you anticipate, or have you already r eceived maybe some of these extraordinary fees that you announced just a couple of weeks ago? Are you expecting those in the pot very soon? Or do you have them already?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. Some fees have been paid. I am not sure off the top of my head what those are. But they do expect additional fees to be paid in the coming financial year.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Head 48? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellThank you, Madam Chai rman. Just for clarification, because I am hearing comments of overspend. I think the only thing that can be classified as an overspend is because there was nothing budgeted originally for the Gaming Commis-sion because we did not have a Gaming Commission. So just to be …
Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just for clarification, because I am hearing comments of overspend. I think the only thing that can be classified as an overspend is because there was nothing budgeted originally for the Gaming Commis-sion because we did not have a Gaming Commission. So just to be clear, I think there was a projection that $3 million was going to get the Gaming Commission to a self -sufficient position. So now w hatever the ba lance of that is, the $2.5 million, is the Minister saying that this is the money that is going to now carry them to the stage where they are not going to need to get any more government funding?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThat is the concept. I think as the Honourable Member will well know the Commission was going to be funded originally, as I said, by a loan. The loan was unable to be completed because of technical issues with respect to the legisl ation, which have now been corrected. But …
That is the concept. I think as the Honourable Member will well know the Commission was going to be funded originally, as I said, by a loan. The loan was unable to be completed because of technical issues with respect to the legisl ation, which have now been corrected. But in order to basically supplement it to get to the $3.6 million, mon-ey had to be spent to do that. The original idea, of course, was to have a loan which in subsequent years would be paid back by fees paid to the Commission. So that was essen-tially the financing concept here.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to Head 48? There are none. It has been proposed that the sum of $2,500,000 for Head 48, current account, Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, Ministry Headquarters, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? …
Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to Head 48? There are none. It has been proposed that the sum of $2,500,000 for Head 48, current account, Bermuda Casino Gaming Commission, Ministry Headquarters, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Head 48, Ministry of Tourism, Development and Transpor t, passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to move now to Marine and Ports, which is Head 30. We are looking at supplementary estimate here in two parts. The first is $637,096 for inventory parts ferries and tug, and the second is for fuel for $275,000. And this is for …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to move now to Marine and Ports, which is Head 30. We are looking at supplementary estimate here in two parts. The first is $637,096 for inventory parts ferries and tug, and the second is for fuel for $275,000. And this is for the 2016/17 year. So, the original financial current estimate for the Department of Marine and Port Services was $19,900,000. The supplementary estimate of
Bermuda House of Assembly $912,096, those two combined, represents 4.6 per cent of that original estimate. In July 2016, a full assessment of the marine fleet was conducted by Ste wart & Stevenson Atlantic Power on the MTU series 2000 engines. It was determined that virtually the en-tire ferry fleet had exceeded the engine manufactur-er’s recommended service levels of 7,000 engine running hours. This placed the majority of the fleet in an unreliable position as evidenced by the increased vessel breakdowns. The department prioritised the order of work for the following vessels: the J. L. Cecil Smith; the Serenity; the Resolute and the Bermudian, and reques ted additional funding be provided immediately to en-sure these vessels undergo the required engine refit, servicing and maintenance during the 2016/17 winter months. In addition, extended workdays and weekend work paid at the appropriate overtime rate is a neces-sity in the department’s efforts to accomplish this goal bearing in mind the ferry fleet will be expected to provide significant passenger lift during the 2016/17 America’s Cup. As the remaining operational fleet will also r equire some form of ongoing maintenance, the r equested fund being in the amount of $637,096 is be-ing used for the purchase of inventory and parts for the engine refits and overtime expenditure. Madam Chairman, fuel costs (which is the second part) of $275,000 have also impacted the daily operations of the fleet. Consequently, there is an anticipated fuel supplement request through March 31, 2017, in the amount of $275,000. Marine and Ports is to be commended for doing its part in the achiev ement fuel and operating cost reduction. The depar tment proposed and received the approval of the Mi nister of Tourism, Transport and Municipalities to r educe its winter schedule in an effort to realise add itional fuel cost savings. So, the total of the two is, as I have said, $912,096. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Minister. Are there any Members who would like to speak to Head 30, Marine and Ports on item 3? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, again, Madam Chai rman, I just have a challenge when the Minister says that, …
Thank you, Minister. Are there any Members who would like to speak to Head 30, Marine and Ports on item 3? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, again, Madam Chai rman, I just have a challenge when the Minister says that, you know, we are hitting up to 7,000 hours and when, you know, we got to 7,000 and the manufacturer says, Look, you are getting to a stage where your equipment is going to be strained and you may find yourself in a difficult spot. Well, certainly, when it was at 5,500, maybe 4,500 hours, you know, you could look and say, W ell look, we are going to approach that stage when it comes. You know, we should be looking at, to me . . . and with my experience with heavy equipment, we certainly know that you can expect so many engine hours out of a certain piece of equi p-ment. To me it seems like, you know, why did they not foresee this? And why did they not plan for it? And, you know, 600 and something . . . you know, again, you are pushing another million dollars. And it is a challenge. Why are we continually under budgeting these heavy equipment parts?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. I think the Honourable Member makes a valid point. I think there was some issue and, as I said, this is not an area of expertise for me. But there was some issue of having the technical ability of being able to do this. I think …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think the Honourable Member makes a valid point. I think there was some issue and, as I said, this is not an area of expertise for me. But there was some issue of having the technical ability of being able to do this. I think that is why this group was brought in to see what the impact was likely to be. And I think what I am told is that they literally had to rebuild four of the engines on these ferries, and that is the net result of what happened.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I thank the Minister and the technical officers for that. As I do rebuild equipment on a yearly basis, I can appreciate that …
Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I thank the Minister and the technical officers for that. As I do rebuild equipment on a yearly basis, I can appreciate that 100 per cent. My question to the Minister is . . . now, I know that depending on what sort of major rebuild you do you may ge t another five, six, or seven years. What is the anticipated life after these repairs, Minister?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThat is a good ques tion. I do not have the answer to that , but we will see if we can get an answer.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Marine and Ports, Head 30? There are none. It has been proposed that the sum of $637,096 for inventory parts, ferries and tug, for the current account for Marine and Ports, Head 30; and $275,000 …
Thank you. Are there any other Members who would like to speak to item 3, Marine and Ports, Head 30? There are none. It has been proposed that the sum of $637,096 for inventory parts, ferries and tug, for the current account for Marine and Ports, Head 30; and $275,000 again for the current account inventory for fuel, Head 30 Marine and Ports, stand part of the E stimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
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Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: Head 30, Marine and Ports, passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanOnce again, I call on the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. We are up to Head 31, which is Airport Operations, in the supplementary amount of $308,000. Madam Chairman, I think as Honourable Members will be aware, late in financial year 2015/16 the former BAS Serco Ltd contract with the then D epartment of Airport Operations was …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. We are up to Head 31, which is Airport Operations, in the supplementary amount of $308,000. Madam Chairman, I think as Honourable Members will be aware, late in financial year 2015/16 the former BAS Serco Ltd contract with the then D epartment of Airport Operations was not renewed. In its place a new service provider, CI 2 [Aviation] received the contract as the provider of supply services under a new Airport Service and Maintenance Agreement. These services included air traffic control, the Berm uda Weather Service, ground electronics and airfield maintenance. A number of BAS Serco Ltd employe es were made redundant by the company and, subsequently, rehired by the new provider CI 2. While this remains a matter under negotiation and discussion between the parties, the Department of Airport Operations, upon taking legal advice, made provision for a potential settlement in the amount of $308,000 in accordance with the Employment Act of 2000 to BAS Serco Ltd on be-half of 28 of its former air operations and aviation maintenance service employees. So, the supplementary for Head 31 is based on that provision at this point, which is estimated to be $308,000. But I think it is important for Honourable Members to recognise that this is still in negotiation. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to the Head 31, Airport Operations? There are none. Minister.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of $308,000 for Head 31, current account, redundancy payment, Airport Operations, stand part of the Est imates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 31, Airport Operations approved]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. The next one is going to be Public Transport ation, Head 35, and there are two parts to this. One is overtime for bus operations at $1,282,818; and the second is essentially a supplementary for fuel est imated at $500,000. So, the original estimate for the …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. The next one is going to be Public Transport ation, Head 35, and there are two parts to this. One is overtime for bus operations at $1,282,818; and the second is essentially a supplementary for fuel est imated at $500,000. So, the original estimate for the Department of Public Transportation was $19,200,000. The supplementary estimate of $1,782,000 ( and change) represents 9 per cent of that original estimate. Now, $1,282,818 , or 72 per cent of the sum requested, will be used to fund personnel costs for overtime. The Department of Public Transportation has been required to stretch its resources to maintain a prompt and efficient service to the public and visitors alike. As DPT operates a 365- day per year operation, overtime costs could be required to cover the sche duled 18- hour workday. Further (and this is where we run into the supplementary ), the current bus service includes additional routes outside the established bus schedule. These routes include school bus and addi-tional services to the cruise ships at the Dockyard. In the aggregate, these additional routes are referred to as the “Grey Schedule” which has evolved since the formal bus schedule was first implemented in 1999. Much of this service is, by necessity, handled with overtime at premium pay. Madam Chairman, based on this cost it is imperative that the Department of Public Transportation move towards a schedule that will reduce these ong oing operational costs . And I think we covered this to some degree in the budget discussion. So, in 2016/17 the department required funding to cover these overtime costs. Given the cost of present staffing levels and the additional routes and events the DPT is ser ving, including sightseeing, charter services and shuttles, the funding of overtime was an issue. A nd it should be noted that in 2016/17 the level of service was not reduced, h owever, overtime was incurred to provide cover for short -term staff absences as a result of sick leave and vacation days. Bus operators were required to work additional hours to assure continuity of service. In 2016/17, the original estimate for DPT was $1,702,512 for the purchase of the operational inve ntory. However, this proved to be inadequate to meet the department’s needs. An additional sum of $500,000 was therefore requested to fund the cost of maintenance related to inventory to operate the bus fleet until the end of the fiscal year. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 35 Public Transportation supplem entary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just a question: I thought that we were close to achieving …
Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 35 Public Transportation supplem entary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 31.
Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just a question: I thought that we were close to achieving the new schedule, if the Minister can advise where we are at in terms of coming to an agree-ment in relation to the new schedule.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. Actually, we did touch upon this during the budget debate on the Heads. A new schedule was proposed by the Government , or by DPT , and, unfortunately, it was rejected by the Union. So, I am not sure we are back entirely to square one, …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. Actually, we did touch upon this during the budget debate on the Heads. A new schedule was proposed by the Government , or by DPT , and, unfortunately, it was rejected by the Union. So, I am not sure we are back entirely to square one, but the schedule that the Honourable Member will be familiar with and was working on was not accepted by the U nion. So that is one of the reasons why we are into these overtime payments.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 35? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottYes, just a quick question and wondering with this overtime, because you said it was part of the “Grey Schedule” and we did discuss the Grey Schedule being part of the school run, for the buses that were cancelled or did not make i t to the schools, did we …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsI am getting a shaking of the head from the technical officers, so the answer seems to be, n o.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the supplementary for Head 35? There are none. Minister?
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of $1,282,818 over overtime for bus operations, Head 35, under Public Transportation and $500,000 for fuel under the same Head 35, Public Transportation, be part of the Estimates as printed. Any objection to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman, we are down to Head 57 which is Civil Aviation and this was a transition grant of $4,233,788. By way of explanation, in March of 2015, the Government took the decision to convert the Depar tment of Civil Aviation, Head 57 . . . actually, I …
Thank you, Madam Chairman, we are down to Head 57 which is Civil Aviation and this was a transition grant of $4,233,788. By way of explanation, in March of 2015, the Government took the decision to convert the Depar tment of Civil Aviation, Head 57 . . . actually, I probably should do both of these together because they are pretty similar, if Honourable Members will not object —
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any objections to that pr oposal? Please proceed the n.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsAll right. I also move Maritime Administration which is Head 73. So, in March 2015 the Government took the decision to convert both the Department of Civil Aviation (which is Head 57) and the Department of Mar itime Admin istration (Head 73) from government departments into independent quasi- governmental authorities, …
All right. I also move Maritime Administration which is Head 73. So, in March 2015 the Government took the decision to convert both the Department of Civil Aviation (which is Head 57) and the Department of Mar itime Admin istration (Head 73) from government departments into independent quasi- governmental authorities, quangos. Each authority was to be provided an interest -free loan from the Government to cover its initial set -up and operating cash flow for the first year of operation. The loans were to be repaid to the Consolidated Fund from each entity’s future net operating income. In light of this , an operating budget was not allocated (as Honourable Members would have seen from the Budget Book ) to either department for the fiscal year 2016/17. As of 1 April 2016, the legislation regarding the formation of the authorities had not yet been t abled in the House. Subsequently, neither department could be transitioned into separate, independent legal entities. The result of this delay was that the loan faci lities designed to provide operational cash flow to these entities also could not be extended. So, the Mi nistry of Tourism, Transport, and Municipalities was therefore required to request the Ministry of Finance to provide an emergency operating budget for a per iod of six months , that is from 1 April to 30 September 2016 to both the Department of Civil Aviation and the Department of Maritime Administration. The funds enabled each department to continue to operate as government revenue- generating departments until 1574 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly legislation was tabled and the transition could proceed in the appropriate manner. So, in essence, no add itional funds were spent —that is the technical part of this. The Department of Civil Aviation and the D epartment of Maritime Administration successfully transitioned into the newly established Bermuda Civil Av iation Authority and the Bermuda Shipping and Mar itime Authority , respectively , on 1 October 2016. An allocation of $4,233,788 was required to sustain six mont hs of operational expenditure for the Department of Civil Aviation. A separate allocation of $2,432,056 was required to sustain six months of operational expenditure for the Department of Maritime Administr ation for the fiscal year 2016/17. During this pe riod, the Department of Civil Aviation returned revenues of $17,647,000 ( andchange) to government. For the same period, the D epartment of Maritime Administration returned rev enues of $3,356,000 ( and change) as well. So, in essence, they were still operating as departments ; they still earned revenue which more than covered the expenditure which was required from a supplementary perspective. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Heads 57, which is Civil Aviation, 73 Mar itime Administration supplementary? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, I just had a question, Madam Chairman. If you flip over the …
The ChairmanChairmanActually, I am not going to flip over the page, so I can only focus on the ones in front of me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is the same thing.
The ChairmanChairmanThe two lines . . . I am talking about the two lines in front of us. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. So, do you have a question on those two lines? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. I move that Head 57 for $4,233,788 and Head 73 for Maritime Administration $2,432,056 be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of (and I am going to repeat) $4,233,788 for the Trans ition Grant under Head 57 current account Civil Avi ation be part of the Estimates as printed, as well as $2,432,056, Head 73, current account, Transition Grant under Maritime Administration stand part …
It has been proposed that the sum of (and I am going to repeat) $4,233,788 for the Trans ition Grant under Head 57 current account Civil Avi ation be part of the Estimates as printed, as well as $2,432,056, Head 73, current account, Transition Grant under Maritime Administration stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Head 57 Civil Aviation and Head 73 Maritime Administration pas sed.]
The ChairmanChairmanWe will now move to Item 4, Ministry of Public Works Headquarters. It is being proposed that the sum of $510,418 stand for the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters, Head 65, capital development, Hurricane Nicole, stand part of the Est imates as printed I call on the Minister. Hon. L. …
We will now move to Item 4, Ministry of Public Works Headquarters. It is being proposed that the sum of $510,418 stand for the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters, Head 65, capital development, Hurricane Nicole, stand part of the Est imates as printed I call on the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. This supplementary is for the Ministry of Public Works Headquarters section, and is related to ex-penditure for Hurricane Nicole restoration work in the amount of $510,418.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 65 Ministry of Public Works Headquarters supplementary? There are no Members. Minister? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I move that it be accepted.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of $510 and $418 . . . $510,418 . . . (I am so tired) under the capital development Hurricane Nicole, Head 65 Ministry of Public Works Headquarters stand as part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. …
It has been proposed that the sum of $510 and $418 . . . $510,418 . . . (I am so tired) under the capital development Hurricane Nicole, Head 65 Ministry of Public Works Headquarters stand as part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Ministry of Public Works Headquarter passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. It has been proposed that the sum of $3 mi llion under Head 65, Public Lands and Buildings, cap ital development, WEDCO Moresby House stand part of the Estimates as printed. I call on the Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai …
Thank you. It has been proposed that the sum of $3 mi llion under Head 65, Public Lands and Buildings, cap ital development, WEDCO Moresby House stand part of the Estimates as printed. I call on the Minister.
Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. For this supplementary request, there is no actual over -expenditure of capital allocation. It is a case or a situation where there was no TAF estimated for the above- mentioned in current fiscal year of 2016. And, so, funding has been provided and it is within the allocation for the current year. So, Madam Chairman, for 2016/17 I move that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Head 65 under Public Lands and Buildings, line item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Madam Chairman, we recognise the comments that the Minister made in refer-ence to there was no …
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberIs that what he said?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYes! Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Yes, that is what the Minister said. He did say that. I clearly heard that. So, with that in mind, Minister, I was actually expecting to get a greater explanation as to why and what. What were the why’s and what ’s behind having to …
Yes!
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Yes, that is what the Minister said. He did say that. I clearly heard that. So, with that in mind, Minister, I was actually expecting to get a greater explanation as to why and what. What were the why’s and what ’s behind having to spend this money on this particular property at that particular time? What was the urgency? What was the need for it in that it had not been budgeted, it had not been considered when we were putting the budget together, why was it done?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I think that is a fair question. It was not within our capital budget allocation to do Moresby House; however, as WEDCO had made a request knowing that they were preparing for …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman, and I think that is a fair question. It was not within our capital budget allocation to do Moresby House; however, as WEDCO had made a request knowing that they were preparing for the America’s Cup, we saw it fitting for this particular building, which oversees the actual area, to have it restor ed. It is an historical site; it is a listed building. And, of course, WEDCO also was looking at the p otential of moving its offices and this particular area was earmarked as one of those potential areas for them to go. So, we saw it fitting to go ahead and fix it up at the time.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, will the Minister please comment or explain as to the reason why WEDCO was given the money …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, will the Minister please comment or explain as to the reason why WEDCO was given the money as opposed to WEDCO just bor-rowing the money? I mean, they have a whole lot of assets down there. Why did they not just borrow the money and build themselves? Why did the money have to come from the central government accounts?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. We thought it prudent to participate in part of the restoration programme that was already going on and for their fiscal year they were seeing difficulty in being able to allocate that money …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. We thought it prudent to participate in part of the restoration programme that was already going on and for their fiscal year they were seeing difficulty in being able to allocate that money to put into restor ation and they really wanted to get it done. We also saw the prudence in restoring that building so that it looked good for that particular time, because we knew that America’s Cup was coming up as well.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency . . . the Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam. I guess I accept the Minister’s answer. But I am just a little bit confused. I mean, you guaranteed WEDCO to do that …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency . . . the Chair recognises the Opposition Leader.
Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Madam. I guess I accept the Minister’s answer. But I am just a little bit confused. I mean, you guaranteed WEDCO to do that thing down there at Cross Island and you just guaranteed their debt and they were able to borrow the money and go ahead and do it. I guess I am just a little bit confused as to why it is that we are taking $3 million out of actual funds and borrowing $3 million and going ahead and giving it over to WEDCO. Is there any particular reason why this was done? Or, is WEDCO’s credit run up by that nice big thing that is happening down there?
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Really, it was a case of sitting down and talking with them. They had come to me and I thought that it would be a great opportunity for us as a Government to participate in some …
The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Really, it was a case of sitting down and talking with them. They had come to me and I thought that it would be a great opportunity for us as a Government to participate in some of that restoration. At the end of the day, I am saying that we saw it prudent as well, as I mentioned already, about America’s Cup and we wanted to make sure that the place was in pristine condition as you entered in to WEDCO. And, again, it was not one of those things that we had . . . we had not given it any thought until it was brought to our attention by WEDCO. So, when it was brought to our attention we said, Listen, if we can get I fixed wit h1576 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly in that period of time before America’s Cup then let us go ahead and do it . And so we did.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lis ter: Thank you, Madam Chairman. At the end of the day, Madam Chairman, it is one of those unforeseen, unexpected expenses that we …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35.
Hon. Dennis P. Lis ter: Thank you, Madam Chairman. At the end of the day, Madam Chairman, it is one of those unforeseen, unexpected expenses that we have now picked up for the America’s Cup. That is what it boils down to at the end of the day. If it was not for the America’s Cup, this $3 million would not have been spent. Clearly, that is what the Minister has said to us tonight. It is part of that ever -growing bill . . . that ever-growing bill that continues to add up and add up as we look at the cost of us hosting this eve nt.
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The ChairmanChairmanI should only be hearing the person who is standing on the floor. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: I will hold off that comment, Madam Chairman—
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: But, Madam Chairman, the point I am driving home is this here: The capital grant that we give to WEDCO that comes from the gover nment funds to WEDCO stands at about $2 million for that particular year, $2.1 probably, and we have spent …
Thank you.
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: But, Madam Chairman, the point I am driving home is this here: The capital grant that we give to WEDCO that comes from the gover nment funds to WEDCO stands at about $2 million for that particular year, $2.1 probably, and we have spent $3 million on this property. I think we spent an additiona l million on the South Basin. So $4 million do ubled what the capital grant is to WEDCO for that particular year on the America’s Cup. That is basically what it is.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I need to ask the Minister a question.
The ChairmanChairmanPlease do. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know it is pretty late, but . . . did we give WEDCO $3 million? Did we giv e them a grant? Because this thing is capital development and we recorded it in our books as an expenditure and we fixed the house …
Please do. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know it is pretty late, but . . . did we give WEDCO $3 million? Did we giv e them a grant? Because this thing is capital development and we recorded it in our books as an expenditure and we fixed the house . . . yes, it belongs to them? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It is a capital grant. So, it is a grant? I t is a grant or is it development? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, it was recorded in our books as expenditure, but it is in their books as an asset? Come on, which one is it? [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I was just looking for a little more clarification on that particular matter. Yes, it is an asset that sits on their books and will continue to sit on their books. I will say that we also looked …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, I was just looking for a little more clarification on that particular matter. Yes, it is an asset that sits on their books and will continue to sit on their books. I will say that we also looked at it as an opportunity. I have been up there. It created a great number of contractors that are working on that particular project as it is a historical site and a listed building. So, we also saw the benefit of that and restoring at the same time as providing some jobs.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Now, Madam Chairman, we have an asset that belongs to WEDCO. We have $3 million that came from the government …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Now, Madam Chairman, we have an asset that belongs to WEDCO. We have $3 million that came from the government to fix up their asset. They now have an asset on their books that is quite valu able—I would say worth $3 million. My next question to the Minister is, because he did say that WEDCO executive staff were looking at moving into this particular property. My question is, What is the plan for this property now that we have put $3 million of the taxpayers’ money into it? Are we going to rent it out? Are we going to have it for some VIPs to overlook the America’s Cup? Or are we going to move the executive staff there?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. In addition to that, this is going to be for staf fing to go there. T hat is what they were looking at, and there is a promissory note attached to that. So, …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. In addition to that, this is going to be for staf fing to go there. T hat is what they were looking at, and there is a promissory note attached to that. So, we are looking for us to recoup that money back from them.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognis es the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. So, it is going to be for staffing. When you say staffing, Minister, are you …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5?
Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognis es the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. So, it is going to be for staffing. When you say staffing, Minister, are you talking about housing staffing, office staffing— Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Office, office. Hon. Zane J. S. D e Silva: Office staffing. Okay. And just how is that money going to be repaid again, you say?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Well, yes, it is a promiss ory note. I mean, how . . . they will pa y it back. The terms and all of that will be sorted out. But it will be a payment back.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, it is a promissory note or it is not a promissory note? The Minister says that the promissory note is going to …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6.
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, it is a promissory note or it is not a promissory note? The Minister says that the promissory note is going to be sorted out. So, have you signed anything with WEDCO for this promissory note? And how much . . . what is the rate? And how long . . . when will they be paying it back? And, ther efore, it is going to show in our books as an asset.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Minister.
The ChairmanChairmanThe Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, that is a fair question. I do not have the details to that. But it was agreed by Cabinet that we would give this money to restoring the building and that we would recoup that money back. I will get …
The Chair recognises the Minister.
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, that is a fair question. I do not have the details to that. But it was agreed by Cabinet that we would give this money to restoring the building and that we would recoup that money back. I will get with the Finance Minister as to what those terms will be and how we are working it out.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, my question now goes to actually the physical location. The Minister indicated that the $3 million will now become an office acco mmodation for WEDCO …
Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35.
Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, my question now goes to actually the physical location. The Minister indicated that the $3 million will now become an office acco mmodation for WEDCO —
Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Potential. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Potential. Okay, that means anything could happen now. That just opens it up even wider. But, let us say it is going to be for office staff for WEDCO. Someone needs to speak to why we need this office staff, because what I remember at its current location is that they have a pretty good sized facility where the main headquarters or office is ac-commodated. So, has there been some major expansion of staff at WEDCO that requires them to expand into this further location or is all WEDCO moving from where they currently are up to this new facility?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I do not know the total numbers that are moving over, but the footprint . . . it was felt that where the offices are now they could probably, with the footprint that they do have, receive a …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I do not know the total numbers that are moving over, but the footprint . . . it was felt that where the offices are now they could probably, with the footprint that they do have, receive a greater rent for that area. That is coming from them so, you know, we are still working with them as to what will be the final use, but they were looking to r elocate.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, le t us be clear. When this exercise is finished the current location where their headquarters are, upstairs of the Clocktower, will no longer house WEDCO, and the full facility operations all managed . . …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 35. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: So, le t us be clear. When this exercise is finished the current location where their headquarters are, upstairs of the Clocktower, will no longer house WEDCO, and the full facility operations all managed . . . the Minister is nodding his head sa ying, yes. The Premier is saying something different. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanIf you will speak to the Chair, it will be a lot easier. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: My words, Madam Chairman: It is still a coin being tossed up in the air at this point. The Ch airman: Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane …
If you will speak to the Chair, it will be a lot easier. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: My words, Madam Chairman: It is still a coin being tossed up in the air at this point. The Ch airman: Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Something does not add up here, Madam Chairman. It does not add up. It does not add up. One minute we have $3 million being spent on a building. We have a promi ssory note that is agreed to. Then we have a promiss ory note that is going to be worked out . And then we are not sure if the offices are going to be there or not. 1578 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly Now, certainly, in these times when we are paying $500,000 a day in interest on our debt, we went ahead and said, Listen, just spend $3 million, we will work out the details later. We don ’t know what we’re going to do; l et’s just fix it up. It does not add up. Something just does not make sense. You mean to tell me that the Premier and his Cabinet agreed to, Look, let ’s spend $3 million on that buil ding, we ’ll just spend it, fix it up, we ’ll work out what we’re going to do with it later. We ’ve got tons of mo ney. It just does not add up. It is either you have a plan . . . I will tell you what. MADAM Chairman, I think you stay down at St. David’s —
The ChairmanChairmanYou better believe it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I know you are proud of that. Okay. I give you a house, it is an old house. I say, Look , it is all yours . You say to yourself, Well, what am I going to do with it? …
You better believe it. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I know you are proud of that. Okay. I give you a house, it is an old house. I say, Look , it is all yours . You say to yourself, Well, what am I going to do with it? Well, I tell you what, I am just going to fix it up (say it is a million dollars). So, you fix it up. But b efore you fix it up you are going to say, Well, am I going to live in it? And, therefore, I can spend a million on myself. It is my dream house, no problem. Or I might go rent it out? Now, after you spend a million, how much do you think you can rent it out for? Surely, you are going to do that little bit of planning and arithmetic before you make that decision. So, m y question is, Minister, did we not do that? It seems to me that we put the cart way out in front of the horse. So, we spent $3 million fixing it up and we do not know what we are going to do with it. Something does not add up. Maybe the Minister can expla in that.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, at the end of the day the building will be rented and that is what will happen. It will be rented out and those monies we will be seeking to reco up. So, the building will be …
Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Yes, at the end of the day the building will be rented and that is what will happen. It will be rented out and those monies we will be seeking to reco up. So, the building will be rented out. It was pr oposed by WEDCO that they were looking to move their offices in there. We are giving them that flexibi lity. If they believe that they can get rent for the build-ing for more than they might have expected, then that is something that they are looking at. So, at the end of the day it is a good inves tment. It is a historical site, a listed building that we knew needed to be restored regardless. And so, be-cause of that, we moved ahead. I have already said that we were moving ahead, the timing of it also made sense because of America’s Cup and, so, we are moving ahead with it. But it will be rented out. Whet h-er they take it or someone else takes it, it will be ren ted out.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I am going to leave it alone, but I can tell you right now I remember PAC met with WEDCO —PAC, Public …
Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6.
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I am going to leave it alone, but I can tell you right now I remember PAC met with WEDCO —PAC, Public Accounts Commi ttee— and I remember this $3 million. I think I heard them say that the government gave it to them. But I am going to check my records and get back. So, it seems like there is a conflict. I thought I heard them say that it was a grant. I could be wrong, but I am def-initely going to check the records. But you guys do not even know what you did with them because nobody knows —
The ChairmanChairmanMember, speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, Cabinet does not sound like they know what they approved. That is why my colleague is saying, we just gave the money but no note has been signed. By the way, when was this grant given? How long ago was …
Member, speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, Cabinet does not sound like they know what they approved. That is why my colleague is saying, we just gave the money but no note has been signed. By the way, when was this grant given? How long ago was the $3 million given?
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But it was not this year. [Inaudible interjections ]
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: All right, so, when was it?
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I am asking the Minister.
The ChairmanChairmanThe supplementary is for 2016 — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, what part of this year? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: 2016/17. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, what is wrong with as king the question when was the money given? B ecause if it was January, I want to know why …
The supplementary is for 2016 — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, what part of this year? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: 2016/17. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, what is wrong with as king the question when was the money given? B ecause if it was January, I want to know why the note is not signed. That is my point. If it was last week, I can understand why the note has not been signed. So, Madam Chairman, when was the . . . I am asking the Minister when was the money given to WEDCO.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: I do not know the exact date that it was given. I would say it was probably about four months ago that we agreed in Cabinet to go through with this. [Inaudible interjections]
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 5? There are no other Members that would like to speak to Item 5. Minister? Minister? Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Sorry, thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that capital development for WEDCO Moresby House in $3 …
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of $3 million for Head 65, capital development WEDCO Moresby House from the Public Lands and Buildings stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, just one more point. You call …
It has been proposed that the sum of $3 million for Head 65, capital development WEDCO Moresby House from the Public Lands and Buildings stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections —
Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, just one more point. You call it capital development. It is not a capital development . . . for what? It is not a capital develop-ment.
The ChairmanChairmanMember, I am reading— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know but it is all wrong .
The ChairmanChairmanThank you very much. Any objections? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Ministry of Public Lands and Buildings passed.]
The ChairmanChairmanWe are moving to . . . if you flip over the page, again, Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for financial year 2016/17. It has been proposed that $1,408,225, capital development, Corporation of St. George’s Grant, Head 65, Tourism Department and Transport Headquarters be part of the Estimates as printed. I …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank y ou, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, as you said, this capital development piece is for the Corporation of St. George’s. It was a grant of $1.408 mi llion. The Corporation, as the Honourable Member who speaks for Finance suggested, requested capital funding to facil itate much needed infrastructure work …
Thank y ou, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, as you said, this capital development piece is for the Corporation of St. George’s. It was a grant of $1.408 mi llion. The Corporation, as the Honourable Member who speaks for Finance suggested, requested capital funding to facil itate much needed infrastructure work at Penno’s Wharf and the existing ferry terminal dock in order to be able to accommodate the increased number of cruise ships scheduled to call in the Town of St. George’s in the summer of 2017. The schedule of work totalled $1,408,225, basically. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. RobanThank you, Madam Chairman. Can the Minister give us the timeline on this particular capital work as it relates to the work that has been done on the dock ? What is the timeline? Is it . . . or when did it start and its expected completion?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. The work has already started. It is ongoing. I think they are obviously trying to get it done before the cruise ships start to come this summer which is May, I think.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You know, Madam Chai rman, I remember once upon a time when we had supplementary, when we were the Governm ent, and …
Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You know, Madam Chai rman, I remember once upon a time when we had supplementary, when we were the Governm ent, and we would catch living hell, right, living hell. Here we are, I got $25.5 million of supplementaries here before us tonight and, you know, this is just another one. You know, for the Government [to say] that , We know this and we know that and we can get this done. This isn ’t . . . you know, We’re the bee’s knees of business . . . here we have another $1.5 million that, you know, we are asking for permission for mon-ey that has been spent. What is going on with this OBA Government?
The ChairmanChairmanMember, do you have a specific question for Head 65? 1580 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, what is going on? Why have we not planned for this correctly? It is r epairs to a dock, you know. Did …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. I think that the simple issue here is the St. George’s asked for assistance. The Government, obviously, was prepared to help. There were some i ssues, just in terms of having the original ferry stop at Penno’s Wharf. You cannot have cruise ships and the ferry …
Thank you, Madam Chairman. I think that the simple issue here is the St. George’s asked for assistance. The Government, obviously, was prepared to help. There were some i ssues, just in terms of having the original ferry stop at Penno’s Wharf. You cannot have cruise ships and the ferry stop there. So, they had to move the ferry stop down to Hunter’s Wharf and there were apparently undercuts from one of the previous hurricanes on Hunter’s Wharf so they had to do some work on that. So, that was the general nature of it. Also, with respect to Penno’s Wharf, they had to upgrade to international standards for cruise ships so you had X -ray cameras, fenders and things of that sort. So, there was some additional work that had to be done here.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Minister. Thank you, and again for the record, I would like to state it is nice to know that you all were having some of the challenges that we had and you …
Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Minister. Thank you, and again for the record, I would like to state it is nice to know that you all were having some of the challenges that we had and you might recall that that is why we had to act urgently with regard to what we did up at Dockyard with King’s Wharf and the cruise ship pier up there, because, you know, had we not fixed those docks and got them ready, we would not have been able to accept cruise ships either. So, it is nice to see that you are experiencing some of the challenges we had when it came to getting prepared for our cruise ship passengers.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Item 6? There are none. Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. There is a simple order of magnitude involved here and the amount of money, but that is a different issue. I would like to ask that the capital development of $1,408,225 for the capital development of the St. George’s be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the total amount of $1,408,225 under capital development, Corporation of St. George’s Grant, Head 65 for the Tourism Development and Transportation Headquarters stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Tourism Development …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsYes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I am up to Item 7, which is a capital development grant for the Bermuda Airport Authority of $3,553,000. Actually, there is an issue. The Bermuda Airport Authority was only formed on the 12 th of March. So, technically, this was really Airport Oper ations. …
Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I am up to Item 7, which is a capital development grant for the Bermuda Airport Authority of $3,553,000. Actually, there is an issue. The Bermuda Airport Authority was only formed on the 12 th of March. So, technically, this was really Airport Oper ations. But, they requested capital funding to do some significant capital development projects for repairs to a number of areas: 1. the automatic weather observation stat ion; 2. airline apron lighting to meet international regulations for night -time flight operations; 3. the airport redevelopment projects, maint enance and repair of fire stopping systems in certain buildings and mould remediation at the airport due to water damage within some buildings; 4. the whole baggage X -ray machine; 5. the S -band Doppler radar; 6. the Visual Slope Segment Penetration, the VSSP, which incorporates the apron for pr ivate jet lighting. The total funding for this, as I said, was a little over $3.5 millio n.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottMy question is did we really have to spend the whole $3.5 million? Because with this whole airport redevelopment, there are . . . some of those items that I am hearing could have been just done or passed on to Aecon since they were going to take over the …
My question is did we really have to spend the whole $3.5 million? Because with this whole airport redevelopment, there are . . . some of those items that I am hearing could have been just done or passed on to Aecon since they were going to take over the airport anyway, and let Aecon pay for those upgrades or for those needed maintenanc e items, outside of those that were more of a timely manner like the X -ray for security and stuff like that. I can understand us paying for that. But, I mean, I r emember when the Minister said that this was not g oing to cost the taxpayers anything, and it looks like it is costing us $3.5 million.
Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsYes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I think this was the request. I think some of this stuff really needed to be addressed and perhaps it would be fair to say that they packaged all the stuff together. So, that was the nature of the request.
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituenc y 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottWhen the Minister says “they” does he mean “they” as in Aecon, or “they” as in the Department of Airport Operations?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. I am informed that there was actually probably a longer list of things and apparently Aecon decided to take on the X -ray machine, but I think the rest of it had already been started to try and get the airport up to a state to …
The ChairmanChairmanAre there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottIf Aecon was willing to take on the X -ray machine, which is probably the least expensive, like, for mould remediation, why would we not let Aecon take care of that if they are going to d evelop a whole new airport for us? I am not quite u nderstanding …
If Aecon was willing to take on the X -ray machine, which is probably the least expensive, like, for mould remediation, why would we not let Aecon take care of that if they are going to d evelop a whole new airport for us? I am not quite u nderstanding why we are taking on basically fixing . . . why are we doing a do- it-yourself renovation operation when we are going to get a brand- new airport in a matter of . . . well, another year or so?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsI think the answer to that is for the same reason we had to address mould issues in the building we are in right now, schools and the rest of it. I think nobody wants to work in a building which has got mould issues. And I think as far …
I think the answer to that is for the same reason we had to address mould issues in the building we are in right now, schools and the rest of it. I think nobody wants to work in a building which has got mould issues. And I think as far as the fire-stopping was concerned, there were code issues there that had to be addressed in any case. So, I mean, that was probably an immediate issue. Thank you.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence ScottYes, so, we understand— mould, I can understand the mould and the fire codes. But, like with the apron lighting and stuff like that . . . because, remember, I was working down there at the time that they were installing this new lighting. I did not see that as …
Yes, so, we understand— mould, I can understand the mould and the fire codes. But, like with the apron lighting and stuff like that . . . because, remember, I was working down there at the time that they were installing this new lighting. I did not see that as being needed by or . . . was it reques ted by the FAA to upgrade this lighting? Or was it . . . Was it a necessity or was it more of a strong want?
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. My notes say that they were required with respect to the airline apron lighting to meet international regulations for night -time flight operations.
The ChairmanChairmanOkay. Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to Item 7? Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. I would like to move the Civil Aviation . . . sorry, the Bermuda Airport Authority capital grant of $3,553,000 and ask that it be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that $3,553,000 under the capital development, Bermuda Airport Au-thority capital grant, Head 65, under the Tourism D evelopment and Transport Headquarters stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 65, Bermuda Airport Authority Capital …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThank you, Madam Chairman. With the permission of the House, perhaps I could do the next two, Civil Aviation and Maritime Administration together?
The ChairmanChairmanAny objections? 1582 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: They are both —
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons[Constituency] 29, okay. Yes, [constituency] 22 is standing right now , barely . Both of these involved essentially the work required to essentially establish external office loc ations for the Departments of Civil Aviation and Mar itime Administration as they transition in to new roles as quangos. And it is …
[Constituency] 29, okay. Yes, [constituency] 22 is standing right now , barely . Both of these involved essentially the work required to essentially establish external office loc ations for the Departments of Civil Aviation and Mar itime Administration as they transition in to new roles as quangos. And it is for IT and telephone related equipment; new furniture and office related equi pment; IT consulting for changes to IT infrastructure, that is, moving from government’s IT for both the Bermuda and the UK offices; purchase of IT equip-ment, which is servers for various applications, Ber-muda and the UK offices; payment for separating ac-counting systems so they have to take on Great Plains; and payment for website rebuilds. And those were the costs. One is a little more expensive than the other; one was $500,000 for Civil Aviation and Mar itime was $650,000, and that is sort of started and in progress.
The ChairmanChairmanThank you. Are there any Members that would like to Items 8 or 9? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Since it is the last note and the last piece of this $25.5 million, I might as well add a little touch …
Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to Items 8 or 9? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Since it is the last note and the last piece of this $25.5 million, I might as well add a little touch to this, too, Madam Chairman. You know, just, again, this is, you know, another $1.15 million that we will be spending at the ai rport whereas we were told by the Finance Minister that this airport is not going to cost Bermuda any money, it is not going to cost us anything —
[Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, it is a quango for the airport — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, it is not? What did you say it was? Sorry?
The ChairmanChairmanIt is written right in there. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, okay, my humble apologies. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is getting late. Like he was barely standing on his feet . . . I had to get on mine so that I do …
The ChairmanChairmanThank you, Member. Are there any Members that would like to speak to Items 8 or 9? The Chair recognises the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsYes, thank you, thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that the Civil Aviation capital develo pment transition works of $500,000 and the Maritime Administration capital development transition works of $650,000 be approved.
The ChairmanChairmanIt has been proposed that the sum of $500,000 for capital development, transition works, Head 65, under Civil Aviation stand part of the Est imates as printed; and $650,000 under Head 65, cap ital development transition works under Maritime Administration, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to …
It has been proposed that the sum of $500,000 for capital development, transition works, Head 65, under Civil Aviation stand part of the Est imates as printed; and $650,000 under Head 65, cap ital development transition works under Maritime Administration, stand part of the Estimates as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to.
[Gavel]
[Motion carried: Head 65, transition works and Mar itime Administration Capital Development, transition works; Touris m Development and Transport Headquarters , passed.]
[The Supplementary Estimate (No.1) for the Financial Year 2016/17 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment .]
House resumed at 2:44 am [21 March 2017]
[Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair]
REPORT OF COMMITTEE
Bermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE (NO. 1) FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2016/17
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOkay, so we had the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for [Financial Year] 2016/17 a pproved. And we now move to Order No. 13 in the name of the Honourable Premier. Premier Dunkley, you have the floor. MOTION MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE (SALARIES AND PENSIONS) ACT 1975 Hon. Michael …
Okay, so we had the Supplementary Estimate (No. 1) for [Financial Year] 2016/17 a pproved. And we now move to Order No. 13 in the name of the Honourable Premier. Premier Dunkley, you have the floor.
MOTION
MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE (SALARIES AND PENSIONS) ACT 1975 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I move the following motion, notice of which was given on Wednesday, 15 March 2017: Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Act 1975. BE IT RESOLVED that previous resolutions of this House made pursuant to section 2 of the Mini sters and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Act 1975 be revoked; AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that pu rsuant to section 2 of the Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Act 1975 the a nnual salaries payable to Members of the Legislature listed in Part A and Officers of the Legislature listed in Part B of the table below shall be as set out in column 3 of the table with effect from 1 April 2017 to 31 March 2018. Honourable Members can find that schedule on the Order Paper, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Are there any Honourable Member s who would care to speak to this motion? [Crosstalk]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Premier? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I move that this motion be approved.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerIt has been moved by the Honourable Premier that the motion be approved. Any objections to that? Do I have objections? [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Nice try, Mr. Speaker . The motion is approved, just for members of the public who are listening, it means that the rem uneration …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkle y:—this year and next year.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, thank you, Honourable Premier. So, Honourable Members you will get the same pay you had last year.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberI object! [Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAnd the years before. Thank you. [Motion Carried: The Ministers and Members of the Legislature (Salaries and Pensions) Resolution approved]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Members that takes us to Order No. 14, consideration of the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017, in the name of the Minister of Economic Deve lopment, Dr. Grant Gibbons. You have the floor.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerGood early morning. REGULATIONS CASINO GAMING (GENER AL RESERVE AND CASINO TAXES) REGULA TIONS 2017
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsYes. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I move that consideration be given to draft regulations entitled the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017, proposed to be made by the Minister respons ible for Gaming under the …
Yes. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I move that consideration be given to draft regulations entitled the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017, proposed to be made by the Minister respons ible for Gaming under the provisions of section 144 and 196 of the Casino Gaming Act 2014.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYou were going to mention about the drawing— 1584 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Yes, I was going to get into that just by way of an explanation. Mr. Speaker, you and Honourable Member s will recall that the …
You were going to mention about the drawing— 1584 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Yes, I was going to get into that just by way of an explanation. Mr. Speaker, you and Honourable Member s will recall that the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017 were debated and approved in the House of Assembly on the 3 rd of February 2017. During the debate in the Senate, on the 15th of February 2017, a minor drafting error was discovered by, I should say, the Independent Member Mr. Jardine, which resulted in the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regulations 2017 being withdrawn from the Orders of the Day for that date. Mr. Speaker, I think, as you would be aware, since this was a money Bill, the Senate could not amend it and sent it back. So, the Minister responsible simply had to withdraw it. And I think, as most Honourable Member s would be aware, the technical issue was the use of the word “casino tax” in section 9(2) of the Regulations. What it said originally was “a casino operator may deduct from the casino tax for each tax period the following –” and this related to this issue of irrecoverable debts. In other words, if the casino, for example, extended credit to a gambler and they were unable to pay it, then the casino could essentially offset that against their gross gaming revenue, which is the way the tax is assessed. And that tax is, as we all know, 10 per cent of gross gaming revenue. And the fact that farther down in section 9 it clearly referred to the fact that if you actually do recover that debt, after ori ginally having offset it against gross gaming revenue, that you then have to sort of write it back into gross gaming revenue. Essentially, it suggested that this was not a purposeful mistake; it was a, shall we say, a typographical error, but one of some substance so it could not be amended on the floor of the Senate. So, in essence, Mr. Speaker, with the exception of a date change and actually there is an index at the beginning of this thing, the only change between when the House approved this back on, essentially, the 3 rd of February and when we are bringing it back now is the change from the words “casino tax” in section 9 to “gross gaming revenue” in [section] 9(2). And those are the only changes. So, I am hoping the House will essentially a pprove what is effectively a technical amendment which could not be done any other way. T hank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Any other Honourable Members care to speak to this? Yes, the Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 31, the Learned Member MP Crockwell.
Mr. Shawn G. CrockwellYes, thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, it is late, and I have stayed here this late specifically to contribute to this debate. Therefore, since I stayed this long I am going to have my say. I will try to truncate it as much as possible. Clearly, I do …
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, it is late, and I have stayed here this late specifically to contribute to this debate. Therefore, since I stayed this long I am going to have my say. I will try to truncate it as much as possible. Clearly, I do not have an issue with the amendment. It is just tidying up the legislation. It was a mistake that was caught in the Senate and that is the purpose of the Senate, Mr. Speaker, to catch these things that we do not catch here to make sure that we get it right. So, let us get it right. I think the larger issue is with the overall direction, Mr. Speaker, that we are going in as it relates to this issue of casino gaming. My comments are not going to be new; my concerns are not going to be new. The reality is that in this House in an attempt to move this industry along we are now talking about mid-2018 that we may see a casino, I think that is still fanciful when we look at the pace at which we are go-ing. I was always told —in fact was told by this executive director—that it is going to take about a year to properly vet a prospective operator. So, unless we are going to see some accelerated speed over the next few months in terms of putting ourselves in a position to start entertaining operators, we are really not going to see a casino up and running and providing the amenity that we wanted to provide [for] some time. And part of my concern is the way in which the Gaming Commission is being led. My issue is not with the commissioners. I want to make this clear, because the commissioners are relying on the executive director almost entirely because, clearly, he has come with that knowledge. But, when we have a situation where we, in this Honourable House, have approved fees for casino licences . . . now these are the t axes that are going to be applied once a casino licence has been granted. So, before we get to this stage, we are going to have to get past the hurdle of the fees. And we have been saying . . . a few of us in this House have been saying for some time that the fees that we have approved in this House were too high. But, Mr. Speaker, you should be concerned because it was a historic occasion in this House when we debated the regulations in relation to fees and you broke the tie. And you broke the tie, Mr. S peaker, on the information that was presented to this House. Now, if you look at the Royal Gazette today, on the second page discussing this matter, it stat es this: it says that “t he Minister of Economic Development, said that there had been consultation with casino operators and there was ‘no pushback .’” Okay? We know for a fact that that is not the case. We know that there was pushback. There was specific pushback from an operator who came here with an interest to do business in Bermuda, very inter-ested. Came here, met with the Gaming Commission, met specifically with the executive director and told him under no circumstances that the fees that they were proposing were too high. This was from som eBermuda House of Assembly one who had more experience, much more years in the gaming industry than the executive director. He said this is not going to work. Myself and my colleague, the Honourable and Learned Member Mr. Pettingill, did our due diligence, spoke to three other experienced operators. We put the fee schedule to them and [asked], What is your view? And all of them came back and said, Those fees are too high. They will be a deterrent to attracting an operator to your jurisdiction which is unproven . Okay, we had our say and I think what is i mportant, Mr. Speaker, is that we supported the fees. We did not vote against it . . . Well, we did actually. I am sorry. But at the end of the day it was you, Mr. Speaker —it was you, Mr. Speaker —who made that final determination on whether or not we go forward. And that was done based on the information that we had, and there was some conflict. There was one par-ticular Member who felt conflicted because he was told that specifically there were local developers here who were on board. After the fact we learned that that was not the case. Not because we went looking for the information, because they called us to say that as a matter of fact they did not realise these fees were actually the level that were set by the Government until they read it in the newspaper. They had no idea until they read the objections that were raised in this House. So, there was no consultation. So, the Minister of Economic Development said there had been consultation, no pushback. I have every confidence that he was just repeating what he was told. But then when it got to the Senate, it states in the newspaper “However . . . Senator Michael Fahy, the Minister of Tourism, clarified that the Go vernment had consulted with several operators, di scussions were about operating on the island and not fees. ” [Ibid.] So, that is the clarification—that there were conversations with operators, but they did not discuss fees. Now, I find this perplexing because when I was the Minister and I was speaking to the profes-sionals that we had on our payroll to guide us through this process, my question . . . because I was very concerned about striking the right balance with the fees. And my question was always, you know, What do you think is the right figure? They always said, You know, we do not think you should go over $1 million, Minister. But what was most important, their recommendation was make sure when you set the fees that you have your stakeholders, you have the operators in the room, you have their agreement. This is the most critical component, the most critical component, and you must have their buy -in. So, to hear that there were conversations with operators, but they never discussed the fees does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me. But, clearly, there is something wrong when we hear individuals saying that there was this wide-spread consultation, that there were numerous ind ividuals that were consulted, but after the fact we learn that, particularly [from] those who are actually doing business with the Government, that there was no con-sultation on the fees. So, somewhere along the line we were misled. The question is, from who, and why, Mr. Speaker ? Now, I also know that there were individuals who were so concerned about it —individuals who are here to do development —that they were threatening not to proceed. Now, I have been told that things are going to be going forward, and that is good news. The question is, what adjustments were made in order to get those individuals who had a level of disquiet over the fees to say okay, I am prepared to go forward. I suspect that some things had to be given up in order to make them feel comfortable about paying fees that they think are too high. Then we learned, Mr. Speaker, that we have the Minister, the new Minister . . . and I will tell you when I was the Minister there were a few ICE confer-ences that I did not attend. Because why am I going . . . yes, when we were setting up the Gaming Commission I thought it was very important and prudent to go and take the commissioners for training because we all had no knowledge of this industry. That is very im-portant. But these ICE conferences are conferences that talk about the industry, talk about, you know, what is on offer and the like, and the executive director tends to go to all of them. And I thought it was i mportant that the chairman went to the first one to get a feel for the industry. But why in the world would the Minister this past February go to an ICE conference, an International Casino Conference, in London, where the feature was casino machines? You had vendors there showing off the new technology in relation to gaming machines. Is the Government getting into casino gaming? Are we going to be offering casino gaming? Why in the world would the Minister be flying over to London to look at the new machines? It does not make sense. And so, I am concerned where we are going, and I am concerned that we are not on the right track and that we are not sticking to the original blueprint. And, you know, here we are, we are approaching the OBA’s last year in this first term, and the number one achievement that I was hoping to see was the opening of a casino in this country to start that real revitalis ation of our product, offer something new and different. By the time these things get up and running, the value is going to be gone. The value is going to be gone. So, Mr. Speaker, I do not intend to belabour the point. I have made this speech more than once. By bringing this back to be amended it gave me another opportunity. The problem, and why we continue to make these speeches, is because we get no r esponse. And this is the frustrating part. We get no r e1586 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly sponse from the other side. There is no explanation as to why we were told that there was no pushback when we found out that there was significant pushback. And I do not like to be misled. And this House should not be misled. And, Mr. Speaker, as the individual who cast the deciding vote you should also be concerned that you may have done so on misi nformation. And I have learned this term from the Oppos ition since I have been here, and that is if you start off wrong you are going to end off wrong, Mr. Speaker . And that is my concern. Thank you.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable M ember . The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by thanking the Honourable Member that sits in another place, Mr. Jardine, for picking up …
Thank you, Honourable M ember . The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by thanking the Honourable Member that sits in another place, Mr. Jardine, for picking up the mistake that, you know, everyone missed in this House with regard to the gross gaming revenue. Of course, Mr. Speaker, you know, when I first saw this Bill coming here I said, Well, you know, I am not supporting it. Now, why would I say that when I have been pushing . . . as you know, Mr. Speaker, I have declared my interest. I love a little Blackjack. I do not mind spending time in a c asino, and I have been pushing it certainly for, gee, all of seven years now. I guess since I have been in this House, Mr. Speaker. Almost 10 years. So why would I not support this? Because, you know, it has always been our hope on this side, Mr. Speaker, that casinos would help with the unemployed in Bermuda; it would help with our tourism product. So, why would I not? Well, Mr. Speaker, I will tell you. I went off and printed the Official Hansard Report of 3 Febr uary [2017] . And on page 426 we had the term “We need to get it right” used twice —
The SpeakerThe Speaker[Page] 426? That was not talking about this Bill. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, no, it was part of it, yes, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNot this particular Bill, no. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, not this one—
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThat Bill was page 410. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We were talking about the gaming, the Gaming Bill.
The SpeakerThe Speaker[Pages] 406 to 410. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, the day that w e were deceived. That is the day I am talking about, Mr. Speaker , February 3 rd.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: February 3 rd, and I have got the printout, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes . . . no, but I am saying . . . what I am saying, Honour able Member , is that that is . . . what you are reading . . . if you are reading that page, that is reading from the discussion on the other regulations. …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerNot this regulation. So understand that. Hon. Zan e J. S. De Silva: No, you are correct, Mr. Speaker . You are correct.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI know what pages it was on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Pardon?
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI know what pages — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, yes.
The SpeakerThe Speaker—in the Hansard . Hon. Zan e J. S. De Silva: Yes, I have got it right here, too, Mr. Speaker. It is [page] 426.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Page 426 —and the Premier said it twice: “We need to get it right.” He said it twice. And on page 427, the Honourable Member from constituency . . . no, it was the Premier again. He used the word “no pushback.” “[I] …
Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Page 426 —and the Premier said it twice: “We need to get it right.” He said it twice. And on page 427, the Honourable Member from constituency . . . no, it was the Premier again. He used the word “no pushback.” “[I] have had no pushback from those interested in gaming about the fee structure.” He went on to say again, Mr. Speaker, that he would say (and it was Acting Speaker at the time because we were in Committee . . . or she was in the seat) “. . . that these fees are appropriate because until there is pushback you do not want to sell yourself short.” And then he went on to say, well, it is better to have the fees high, then you can always drop them. But, he went on again, “As I have said, I have not heard any pushback on it.” Mr. Speaker, so you had the Premier that said there is no pushback. You also had the Honourable Member from constituency 22, Mr. Speaker, in [the same ] Hansard, on page 429, saying “no pushback”
Bermuda House of Assembly four times, Mr. Speaker. He also said that the exec utive director —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes? POINT OF ORDER [Reflecting on prior debate]
The Hon. Dr. E. Gr ant GibbonsThe Honourable Member is reflecting on a debate which refers to a different set of regulations than we are dealing with right now.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI think the Honourable Member is co rrect. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Honou rable Member is correct in that regard, which is what I tried to— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, Mr. Speaker —
The SpeakerThe Speaker—to kind of — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I do know that, Mr. Speaker. But, you know, if we are talking about —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSo, be c areful that you— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay.
The SpeakerThe Speaker—yes, on reflecting— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will try to keep that fine line—
The SpeakerThe Speaker—on that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will try to keep it there, Mr. Speaker, yes. But, Mr. S peaker, the Honourable Member —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerSpeak about it in general terms. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, okay. The Honourable Member from constituency . . . Well, I am finished with Hansard now, Mr. Speaker . I will put that down. I think the point has been made, and I think the Honourable Member …
Speak about it in general terms. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, okay. The Honourable Member from constituency . . . Well, I am finished with Hansard now, Mr. Speaker . I will put that down. I think the point has been made, and I think the Honourable Member from constituency 31 has the same concerns that I had then. And I have mentioned it before on the motion to adjourn, Mr. Speaker . And here we are; we have this change that is coming b efore us, and as you were reminded—as we were all reminded on that historic night when you cast the d e-ciding vote, Mr. Speaker . . . when I was looking at this, I said, you know what? I said —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerYes? POINT OF ORDER [Reflecting on prior debate]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsThe Honourable Member continues to reflect on a different debate— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, I am talking about t onight’s regulation!
The SpeakerThe SpeakerHonourable Member just be quiet.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsHe was referring to you made a casting vote. You did not make a casting vote on this set of regulations. It was on a different set of regulations, which the Member is reflecting on.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerExactly. Thank you. So, you have to really . . . I mean, it is a very . . . it is a technical matter that you have to be able to use your language— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, all right.
The SpeakerThe Speaker—and certainly not reflect on this. Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: Thank y ou,
Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerIf you want to make a point with regard to some things that you might not think are right, you can. But let us not go into what happened in that par-ticular debate because that is, in essence, reflec ting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Mr. Speaker . …
If you want to make a point with regard to some things that you might not think are right, you can. But let us not go into what happened in that par-ticular debate because that is, in essence, reflec ting.
Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Mr. Speaker . Let us talk about what has been out in the public domain. Let us talk about the public domain. In the public domain the Minister has been quoted as saying that he had support. He has had support. The executive director, Mr. Schuetz, has also said publicly that he has support. And, Mr. Speaker, that is where I am talking about support for these taxes that have come before us tonight. And, we are asking . . . we are here to look at these changes and whether or not we support it. And I can certainly tell you, Mr. Speaker, that I supported gaming—all the gaming legislation. I certainly supported that one, Mr. Speaker. And when it was here that night my concern was, and you will know, Mr. Speaker, and the concern of the operators . . . and the reason that I am talking tonight, Mr. Speaker, because 1588 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly I did not have to talk . . . it is three o’clock in the mor ning. But it important, because what happened is, you will recall, Mr. Speaker, that I said on the motion t o adjourn one night that I had spoken to two developers in Bermuda—two. And they said that they never had any consultation with the Minister with regard to the gaming fees. None. And we were told that, yes, there was consultation. In fact, the executive director, Mr. Schuetz, said that he had had conversations with 12 to 15 potential operators, Mr. Speaker. Yet, we know that it is important for that hotel in St. George’s to get off the ground. It is important. It is very important, and gaming plays a big part of that, Mr. Speaker . I understand. I understood then and I understand now. Then the Hotelco group, Mr. Speaker, were vexed (to use a Bermuda spin) . . . they were vexed at that fee. And I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, I was told that they were not putting any shovels in the ground with those fees at that level. So, my question to the Minister is this: What deal (because I understand now that things are smoothed over) has been made? I think the people of this country need to know what deal has been made with that developer that now he is going to press ahead. I think it is important. I think it is very important, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, let me state again that I support casinos in Bermuda. And I will tell you about a little experience I had just three weeks ago. I was sitting in the Hard Rock, that is probably my favourite hotel, in Ft. Lauderdale —
The SpeakerThe SpeakerFt. Lauderdale? What are you doing in Ft. Lauderdale? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, Mr. Speaker, I was getting a little . . . playing a little golf—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberResearch! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Playing a little golf, you know, just as I do. That is why I was asked to sit on the board up at Port Royal some years ago, Mr. Speaker, because of my experience on the golf course, both with mac hinery and …
Research! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Playing a little golf, you know, just as I do. That is why I was asked to sit on the board up at Port Royal some years ago, Mr. Speaker, because of my experience on the golf course, both with mac hinery and without. And I am talking about my golf clubs, Mr. Speaker, because, you know, sometimes as golfers, depending on our level, you might think someone has been out there with a backhoe when all they had was a nine iron! [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S . De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, I will tell you story. I was sitting down playing Blackjack, Mr. Speaker . And as you probably know, if you sit around a Blackjack table, people talk. You have . . . that is the fun of it. You meet people, you have discussions, you talk about things in general. You talk about politics. And three gentlemen were sitting with me and we ended up striking up a nice little rhythm. And when you are winning things . . . people are always a little bit more chatty when they are winning. But I tell you what, Mr. Speaker, it was inte resting because they had been playing golf earlier in the day, too. And at night, what do they do? They want to get in the casino and play a little cards and, you know, just watch the entertainment because, Mr. Speaker, casinos, to me, are very entertaining places. So, this is what happened, Mr. Speaker . They said, Hey, we hear the accent . Where are you from? I said, I am from Bermuda. They said, Oh, you guys don’t have casinos, do you? I said, But you know what? It ’s on the way . They said, Really? I said, Where are you guys from? (Two guys were from Boston, one was from New York, the other one was from Connecticut.) They said that they had just spent five days in the Bahamas at Atlantis ; played golf over at Ocean Club and, of course, they gambled at night. They said that is the track they do. So, I tried to tell them, Look, keep an eye on Bermuda. We are only an hour and a half away, you guys. An hour and a half . They said, Wel l, you get casinos because . . . guess what, Mr. Speaker ? They have been to Berm uda several times. But they said You know what , Zane ? It is nothing to do at night. After we play golf we go have a little dinner . . . there is nothing to do. Mr. Speaker, this is why I have always been passi onate about getting casinos in Bermuda. It is not the panacea; it is not the silver bullet. But it is just another amenity. Not everybody wants to come to Ber-muda to sit on the beach and read a book. So, Mr. Speaker, my thing is . . . do I support? I support anything that pushes gaming along. But as the Independent Members have said before, and I am sure we will hear it some more tonight , it is taking too long. In fact, it has taken so long, Mr. Speaker, that by the time that we get a casino here the OBA will not be cutting the ribbon. We will be cutting it! They will not get any casinos up and running this year. It will not happen. It is just not going to happen, Mr. Speaker . Will not happen. In fact, Mr. Schuetz has said himself that if we think that we are going to get money to train Bermudians to work, it is a pipe dream. I have that quote in my file here, in his file. It is a pipe dream. Unless they get money through taxes to train Bermudians, it ain’t hap-pening. And, Mr. Speaker, I can tell you, you k now, if you are going to work in a casino you have to come quick, you got to know the deal, you got to know the rules. And you are not going to train any Bermudians in three months unless they got a little bit of exper ience already. It ain’t happening that quick. Let alone to build a casino and get it all fitted out and get it up and going, Mr. Speaker. Not happening.
Bermuda House of Assembly So, my thing is, Mr. Speaker, I would like to hear from the Minister as to what is going on with r egard to the fees. Are they going to make it . . . look, I am not even saying that they have to bring it back here to change it. But will the Minister, will the Prem-ier, give us an undertaking that they are going to let us know what is going on with regard to the fees? B ecause we know that operators were ticked off, Mr. Speaker . They were not happy. I know, because I spoke to two of them directly, personally. Not hearsay, spoke to them myself, Mr. Speaker . But I understand that the East End project is now moving along. What deal has been struck? I think the people of Bermuda need to know, and I think the Minister this time needs to come clean with some true facts.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 25, MP Pettingill. You have the floor.
Mr. Mark J. PettingillIt is like Groundhog Day. That is how I feel, because we are going to stand up and here we go again where there is some significant voice given with regard to the concerns in relation to casino gaming in Bermuda, and all roads always lead back to the same …
It is like Groundhog Day. That is how I feel, because we are going to stand up and here we go again where there is some significant voice given with regard to the concerns in relation to casino gaming in Bermuda, and all roads always lead back to the same place. And the Government goes quiet on this and does not want to speak to the signif icant issue. I have to say this, Mr. Speaker , with respect. The more the proverbial head gets stuck in the sand in relation to addressing the situation that developed in this House and the situation on gaming in general, the worse it is going to get, because it is not going to go away. And the more that the smokescreen fluff is spilled out like I saw in a Ministerial Statement from the current Tourism Minister with regard to his trip to the ICE conference, the worse it is going to get. Mr. Speaker, I had a call, hand on heart, from a very significant operator in London who said, Mark, what is the head of your Gaming Commission doing at the ICE conference with your Minister? That was an honest telephone call to me followed up by an email saying, What is your executive director doing at a conference which mainly is dealing with gaming m achines? This is the head of Commission. People need to start to understand what that role is supposed to entail. And for some reason . . . I should be used to this, but for some reason I am not being listened to by anyone in the Government about these very valid concerns. I feel like just beating my head against the wall in this insanity debate continuously. I think I am the only person that has had these conversations with gaming advisors, the only person in gaming . . . peo-ple know that, you know, I have been around this and have clients and know people in the industry. I wanted to see, and want to see, the resort boutique amenity casino model work for Bermuda. It was derailed by the executive director that came in here who went off in l ate 2015 to think about his own model and what Bermuda needed—a big wow fa ctor—to which we were saying, Well, hold on a second, ED (executive director). That is not what the Gover nment’s plan was . Now, just the facts that I like to deal with, these issues that we see spilled out in the paper today . . . I mean, this is infuriating. The Government was presented in 2013 with a very significant model addressing the significant issues. The Cabinet was ad-dressed on it twice. The Premier at the time, the Hon-ourable Craig Cannonier, was addressed on it. The Government Gaming Committee was addressed on it. And specific things were given to guarantee that we had white hat, titanium level controls to address social conscience and gambling addiction, money laundering and KYC [Know Your Customer] banking requir ements, grey operations and taxing controls and assur-ance, job and trainings for Bermudians. And I know of a plan —I have got it in my hand, actually —that was in place for the immediate creation of a gaming school. It was called an incubator model, to generate up to 200 jobs to train Bermudians with operators on board prepared to do that. No cost to the Government, as directed by the Finance Minister, who was not interested in it being at cost if these things [were] going on. And in December 2013 there were specific arrangements put in place to pursue those avenues. Now, in May 2015 the Government . . . there was an official RFQ [Request for Quote] for a gaming network system that Government put out. Formal pr oposals were submitted, and the most significant of those by a Bermuda company they are dealing with to this day was not responded to. In September 2015 we had the new executive director appointed, Mr. Schuetz, who now, according to the Minister’s Statement on the 15 th of February “is in London, England at the ICE conference walking the floor where Mr. Schuetz was able to explain how the games worked to the Bermuda contingent with author-ity which left most vendor’s in awe of his experience and knowledge of the industry. In fact, in some cases, Mr. Schuetz ended up schooling some of the vendors. It was quite the experience to witness and based on that interaction I knew that we had the right man for the job. As Bermuda, he was not only respected by the vendors, but he was well known and respected by many of the delegates at the conference.” What a nice script. I know the language that I cannot use here, but let us imagine for a moment what my view is of that, because that is not what his remit is. That is not what we need a Minister of Tour-ism doing. And those are all things that were a d1590 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly dressed years ago. There was a setup done. I was at it, my Learned friend was at it, Members over there were at it. There was a setup done with machines and demonstrated; demonstrations given on what a cas hless system could be. That is how you get around the banking issue. All of this stuff was done, and the new executive director just went off and said this is the way that we are going to go. So, here is my big question: What is his exp erience for doing a start -up in a jurisdiction anywhere in the world? Where has he done it before? Where has he come into a jurisdiction and helped them to set up their industry? On what basis was his remit to come in and start saying to us, Oh, we are going to do this and these are the machines to get and this is what you need to do? This guy likes to travel! That is why he was i nvestigated on ethics violations —oh, yes —in relation to travel expenses where he worked before. I do not know what back ground checks were done on him when he was hired here. But those are just the facts. Go Google them online if you want to know. And then he has a contingent from Caesars Palace come down to Bermuda, which included his ex-wife, where they have both been questioned in the past in relation to ethics violations in Las Vegas. And the Minister does not even know and was not even told that that is his ex -wife! And I have clients and people I know in the business and members of the International Associ ation of Gaming Advisors who are the watch dogs of this type of conduct, saying, What is your executive director doing?
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberMm, mm
Mr. Mark J. PettingillThis is not what an indepen dent commission does. And like most of the Members over there right now, the Government is sleeping on this issue. And what I am here saying is that I want to be supportive of this. I want this to move forward. I have wanted …
This is not what an indepen dent commission does. And like most of the Members over there right now, the Government is sleeping on this issue. And what I am here saying is that I want to be supportive of this. I want this to move forward. I have wanted it to succeed for years. I have been involved with trying to get it moving down the right track with the right peo-ple, and now I am having to stand here and read about the Minister taking a stroll around a machine only gaming conference floor in awe of Mr. Schuetz, who knows about machines —who should not even be at a conference like that looking at machines. That is the remit of what operators need to be doing who are going to come here and say, Hey, Commission. This is what we want to set up. This is what our machines are going to do. This is what they are going to look like. Will you approve our licence? That is what an independent commission does, and that is what they are about. That is how we set up the five empowerment goals of the Commission. The five goals still remain, Mr. Speaker: “Owners, vendors, managers, emplo y-ees, and sources of finance should be free from any inappropriate past or present association or beha viours and uphold high ethical standards; [Operators] should possess sound operational financial controls; The games offered should be fair, honest, and oper-ate with a high level of security and integrity; All fees, taxes, and related payments, should be appropriately accounted for and paid; and Controls should be in place to protect the vulnerable.” That is what you want to get from the oper ators to be looked at by the Commission. That is not what the executive director should be out there lobb ying for operators to come here— worse yet, bringing them here—and off looking at what machines we want to get in to the casino floor. And nobody over there seems to be getting it. That he is just off on his own tangent . . . and the Tourism Minister, not only is he not getting it, but he is just saying it is quite the exp erience to witness, I might add. You know, Mr. Schuetz, walking around, how wonderful he is, and knows all of these things and what he is doing. I mean . . . and also them getting into things about how looking at the AML and compliance . . . this stuff was done years ago and detailed to the Government. Now, that is some of the factual background to this situation. But the one that w e are still waiting for is FeeGate! There you go, FeeGate! That involved the people of this country being told in this House—and you, with respect, Mr. Speaker —that there was no pushback from the potential . . . the developers here—that is the key —the stakeholders here. There was no pushback. Now, where did that information come from? Supposedly from Mr. Schuetz. And we know for a fact that an overseas o perator met with Mr. Schuetz and told him, You are way out of whack with regard to these fees . Why? Because nobody is going to do an $11 million build- out of casino floor, there is a risk in coming to Bermuda and investing in it, there is a risk because you do not know what it is going to be like here . . . that is why operators would shy away from it. They are not going to invest that type of money with you charging those types of fees. Told that! And we are told there is no pushback. Now, that little dance shifted a little bit when it got to the Minister in the Senate and he said, Well, I laid the regs for three months and nobody said anything about it . Come on! Who are you talking to? You have got all of those developers out there and you really think it would be appropriate to come up with those types of fees and not talk to them first? You think it is okay to say, I laid the regs and nobody said anything? And that is what you really meant when this House was saying, Oh, there was no pushback ? When I was looked in my eye and told that a particular operator had no trouble with it . . . I think I was pretty safe in my heart and head to accept that I was being told that they had declared that they had no
Bermuda House of Assembly trouble with it. And it came as a huge shock to me on that Monday morning when that operator was jumping up and down— that developer was jumping up and down—saying, The fees are what? Where did this come from? Who proposed it? And they did not know anything about it and they had never been consulted. And that became in the Senate, Well, the regs were out there they could have gone and looked at it. These people are investing —well, the oper ators—tens of millions of dollars in wanting to do the development, paying to be designated sites, and we think it is okay not to go and consult them on what the fees are. And, so, I . . . and I have to . . . you have got to lay the blame where it is. I have said that to the Premier and the Minister and to others. It goes back to the Commission. And I do not understand why, if, as it appears, they were misled, that is not being ad-dressed and is not being looked into. Because the next thing that happened after debate was the director was off to London to stroll around and have a look at gaming machines and impress the Minister with his knowledge of gaming machines. Are you . . . I mean . . . just . . . wow. You want to talk about a waste of time, money and energy. You could go online and look at all that stuff. It was shown here before. They just did not need to be there— at all. End of story. Did not need to be there. And if Mr. Schuetz so, so amazingly versed in his trade, why would he need to go? If he was there telling the vendors about their machines and all the rest of it, why did he need to be there? He needed to be here helping us to get this set up. And I do not get what the kick -the-can-down- the-road is with regard to the commissioner, the executive director, kicking the can down the road, because people just seem to be turning around and . . . just like the statement from the Minister. For some reason . . . I do not know if he has got them hypnotised, but they should go check him out—thoroughly. And talk to people in the industry and get views on what we need and, more importantly, who we need, and how it should be done. Because right now, I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, there is just a lot of head shaking going on from operators, potential operators, and people in the industry and profession-als in the industry, in the International Association of Gaming Advisors, are looking at us and just kind of shaking their heads going, Man, what is going on in Bermuda? It is embarrassing! It is embarrassing. I got i nvited to speak at one of those conferences on, you know, developing in a new jurisdiction and had di scussions with people about what is going on here. It was just big head shakes going, What? And then they hear things ab out like, your Commission had Caesars Palace come down to show them around. What? And all this stuff just seems to go merrily along blasé. Let me tell you something, Mr. Speaker . This business is a business where everybody has to have their feet held to the fire on the standards —on their standards, on the Commission’s standards —and squeak with regard to what they do, what they have done, and what they are going to do. This House and the public and you, Mr. Speaker, deserve some answers with regard to FeeGate, how it came about, and what the real story is with the determination of those fees, and why the real consultation was with potential operators, and the fact that operators —one operator particularly —had said, your fees are too high, it is going to put people off and they are not going to want to come to your jurisdiction because it is too small, nobody is going to invest that type of money, with regard to them having to pay a substantial outlay and an annual fee of $1 million. They are not going to do it. You need to glide up the fees like that , you need to make it almost like a hotel concession and say get them in here first. That is what you need first. You need the operator that you can say, Hallelujah! One of them is going to come, and not look at how you are going to burn them at the front door. It is insulting. They are not going to be interested, and they have not been interested, and they are not queuing up at the door. But yet, the executive director presses on with his world tour to gaming con-ferences and to look at machines and to talk to oper ators. He still does it. And still nobody is intervening and saying Well, hold on a second. Do we really have the right guy here? Are we really being led down the garden path? Is the can getting kicked down the road more than it needs to? On some of his public stat ements and things like that, does he really pass mus-ter? Has anybody gone out, like I did, and spoken to one of the senior people in charge of a consultancy company that the Government had hired with regard to looking at gaming in Bermuda and consulted with regard to our casinos and so on? I spoke to them and asked their views on that—and on the fees. Has anybody on the Gover nment gone and done that? And just checked it out to say, Maybe we should just back this up a bit and be sure with people in the industry that is right. Has that been done? I think not. Because I think if it had been done, Mr. Speaker, we would have heard about it and if it has been done or it is being done, we have the right, we should hear about it now. So, you know, I am considering this thing and say straight up, maybe it is time to make a stand and say you know what, I am not going to support this. I mean, why? Why support it when all of these things are going on? There are no answers being given. There is a lot of sensible comments being made with regard to it and concerns raised that are not being addressed and my view, honestly, in looking at it, was why am I going to support this. But it makes no sense to stand in t he way of it because I sure as heck am not going to be hearing it said like, Well, actually, Pettingill got in the way of us 1592 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly trying to progress it forward by objecting . . . to what is coming tonight without any real basis to it. Although it was tempting. It was tempting. So, I just, I put that out there that, okay, we need to get this done. Let us get on with it. You have my support, but let us get some answers to all of these things sooner than later. Stop with the fluff and the spin in the Senate, in the newspapers, and give us some answers on these very, very valid questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Members care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Gra nt GibbonsThank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I thank the Honourable Members for their contribution. I think they have made a number of points. I am sure the substantive Minister will certainly hear about them and hopefully will take some of them on board. Mr. Speaker, I think Honourable Member …
Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I thank the Honourable Members for their contribution. I think they have made a number of points. I am sure the substantive Minister will certainly hear about them and hopefully will take some of them on board. Mr. Speaker, I think Honourable Member s have obviously gone away from the particular set of regulations right now and talked about the other set of regulations that was done and passed in this House, which there was some controversy over. All this on e does is set up a 10 per cent tax on the gross gaming revenue and, Mr. Speaker, if my memory is correct, there was no controversy about this particular set of regulations last time. As I have said —
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant GibbonsYes, yes. So, I do not want to go all over the place. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to assure Members of the House that I did have a very careful look at Hansard in terms of what was said last time and I went back and I checked …
Yes, yes. So, I do not want to go all over the place. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to assure Members of the House that I did have a very careful look at Hansard in terms of what was said last time and I went back and I checked with the, basically, the Commission, and I was informed that the House had not been misled. So, I think there is obviously a difference of opinion here. Mr. Speaker, as you will know there are no . . . I am not aware until the Honourable Member talked to me about it earlier today, not aware of the individual that he spoke to. But suffice it to say that the 12 to 15 operators that I was informed the executive director spoke to, were not on the Island. There are no oper ators on the Island, per se, as there are no casinos here right now. I guess the other thing I would say is that I understand that both of the developers who have des-ignated site approval, from my understanding, are moving ahead and my sense is that, you know, obv iously if some change needs to be made in the future, the House will still have to address that. But, as it stands right now, my understanding is that both the designated sites are moving ahead. There are a cou-ple of others that are applying for designated sites. Those applications are still in process, but the two that have been designated I have been informed, I hope reliably, that both are proceeding. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure there is much else I can speak to in terms of the ICE conference. I was not there. I do not know much about it and I think somebody else will have to speak to those issues. Mr. Speaker, with that, I would move that the draft regulations be approved and a message be sent from th is Honourable House to His Excellency the Governor. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Member . Are there any objections to that? So the regulations are approved and the message will be sent to the Governor. [Motion carried: Draft Regulations entitled the Casino Gaming (General Reserve and Casino Taxes) Regu-lations 2017 were considered by the whole House and approved.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerOrder No. 15 is carried over. Order No. 16, I guess, is carried over? The Opposition Bill? So, the Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended …
Order No. 15 is carried over. Order No. 16, I guess, is carried over? The Opposition Bill? So, the Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance.
SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21
Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill ent itled the Companies Amendment Act 2017 be now read for a third time by its title only.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAre there any objections? Carry on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Sp eaker, I move that the Bill do now pass.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Any objections to that? The Companies Amendment Act 2017 is passed. [Motion carried: The Companies Amendment Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister, carry on with the next, the Second Reading of the— Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker— SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Again, I move that Standing Order [21] be again be suspended to enable me to read the Bill entitled the …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerFirst of all, is the Bermuda Public A ccountability Amendment Act. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Oh, excuse me, yes. Sorry, thank you. Thank you for that, Mr. Speaker . Rule 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Bermuda Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections? There are none. Carry on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING BERMUDA PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AMEN DMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill do now pass.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections to that? So, the [Bermuda] Public Accountability Amendment Act 2017 is passed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Public Acc ountability Amendment Act 2017 was read a third time and passed.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMinister, carry on with your next Bill. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, lastly, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 be now read a third time by …
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAny objections to that? Carry on, Minister. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING CUSTOMS TARIF F AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Bill do now pass.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Any objections to that? So, the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 is passed. [Motion carried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2017 was read a thir d time and passed.]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThat takes us to the Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good morning, Mr. Speaker . I move that we now adjourn to May 12th.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. SEEKING BI -PARTISAN SOLUTIONS TO EMPLOYMENT ISSUES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I know it is early in the mor ning/late at night, but I do have one thing I …
Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29.
SEEKING BI -PARTISAN SOLUTIONS TO EMPLOYMENT ISSUES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I know it is early in the mor ning/late at night, but I do have one thing I want to dis-cuss briefly, Mr. Speaker, in that I had an experience with a . . . I cannot even say a young lady, Mr. Speaker—
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberThat sounds like TMI [too much information].
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberIs that what you should be bringing up here? [Laughter]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerCarry on, Honourable Member. Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: I cannot say she was a young lady, Mr. Speaker, because she is in her early 50s. 1594 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, the reason why I wanted to bring this up …
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Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, the reason why I wanted to bring this up tonight is that this lady works in the hospitality industry. And I went up to the counter and said, Li sten, I would like to get a drink (a Diet Coke, Mr. Speaker, not a regular one, no sugar, but a Diet Coke) and a sandwich . And, she knows me, Mr. Speaker, in fact she knows you, too, quite well, which led me to, to . . . she works in your constituency, Mr. Speaker, and also the parish in which I live. Mr. Speaker, she went on to explain to me what is going on in her life at the moment. She started crying, Mr. Speaker. She had been sick a few weeks back. When she was in hospital —only for four days — she did not get paid. She does not get any . . . if she takes holiday, she does not get paid. Mr. Speaker, this young lady went on to . . . and I should not say young lady, it is probably an old-er lady I guess in her early 50s, so I should not even say young, Mr. Speaker. I forget how old we are getting sometimes. But, Mr. Speaker, she went on to tell me how she had to leave the apartment she was living in to go live with her sister. And why am I talking about this, Mr. Speaker ? She said she is having such a challenge at work. She said she dreads getting up in the morning to go to work. If she had to take any time . . . her mother was sick last year, she had to tend to her mother a few days. She did not get paid. No compas-sion, none whatsoever, Mr. Speaker . And making, Mr. Speaker, $14 an hour. Okay? Tips? Well, she might get some tips, Mr. Speaker, she might not. Also, so . . . why do I bring this up? Because, Mr. Speaker, I do not know if there is anyone on the Government front benches that wants to have a chat with me offline, I will give them a little bit more specif-ics. But we have people on this Island, Mr. Speaker, that are really struggling and the Honourable Member from [constituency] 31 talked earlier about, you know, he gave somebody some assistance in the grocery store. We heard about people going to the gas station and only putting $10 in the gas tank, that if they filled it up it could be $80. Mr. Speaker, I would certainly like to know if there is any . . . and I do not know if the government has any department in which, I am sure, someone may be able to go and make an anonymous call. B ecause, Mr. Speaker, this lady told me please do not mention my name, do not mention my employer. Do not do it. And I will be happy to talk to anyone on the front benches on the other side if they feel that we can do something, set something up, set up a department, or maybe there is already on in place, Mr. Speaker . I am not talking about an expat. I am talking about Bermudians that feel they are mistreated in their own home, Mr. Speaker. I mean this girl cried. I told my wife about it, Mr. Speaker. Cried. And she, she . . . I mean, you know . . . and someone else walked in and she was trying to wipe her tears away and she was obviously really, really upset. And it upset me. And I said, you know what, I am going to bring that up here tonight (or this morning) and mention it. I am not going to challenge, I am going to ask if there is any Minister that would like to chat with me about setting up something and let us start some kind of department or . . . or some wing of government, somewhere where Bermudians can call in and have a chat with someone about their issues. Because we know that in 2000 we passed the Employment Act, and I fear, Mr. Speaker, I fear that there are many . . . and some companies are very, very good, Mr. Speak-er. They really do look after their staff. But there are some companies that are really taking advantage of them and treating them like animals, Mr. Speaker, if I could use that word. They are. They are treating them very, very badly. For someone to break down and cry, Mr. Speaker, it . . . it hit me where, you know, where it hurts, Mr. Speaker . And, so, I put that out to anyone of the Ministers on the front bench —most of them know how to get m e, if not all of them. Reach out and let us have a coffee and have a chat. I will be happy to do it. But we must do something because I am sure there are many more like this lady. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThe Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMorning, morning. PAST AND UPCOMING PARLIAMENTARY SESSION Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, we have just fi nished what has been a long and lengthy parliamentary session, whic h of course started with carryovers from our last parliamentary session which ended with an incident that none of us have forgotten. …
Morning, morning.
PAST AND UPCOMING PARLIAMENTARY SESSION
Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, we have just fi nished what has been a long and lengthy parliamentary session, whic h of course started with carryovers from our last parliamentary session which ended with an incident that none of us have forgotten. Well, none of us on this side have forgotten, Mr. Speaker . Because my Deputy (previously, I think it would be), discussed the need for an update, or to hear from the Gover nment precisely what is going on regarding an invest igation into the events and whether or not they will come clean. But to say that, Mr. Speaker, just says where we began. We also went to the point in time where we officially privatised our airport and we know that the Minister celebrated the commencing of that project, followed by a budget, which we saw a number of tax increases, and then we see the Government go from its majority position to the official position of a minority Government. So, a lot of stuff has happened over the past few weeks, Mr. Speaker. But as I said when we gave our response on this side when talking about the America’s Cup and what will happen when the Amer iBermuda House of Assembly ca’s Cup is over, our schools are still underfunded, our people are still without work, our communities are by and large still in turmoil and the temporary jobs, the boost that maybe brought, remind us that we still have a lot of work to do. Now, Mr. Speaker, when we come back on the 12 th of May, that spectacle called the America’s Cup will be a lot closer. And there has been a lot of commentary in, you know, the local media and other-wise whether or not the country should be going through (what was it termed?) instability at this point in time. The fact is, Mr. Speaker, that we are where we are due to the actions of a One Bermuda Alliance Government that, without question, and now without definition . . . I mean, it cannot be argued, is in its final year because the Parliament must dissolve by 7 Fe bruary 2018. But when we get to the America’s Cup, Mr. Speaker, which is what will be upon us when we r eturn, we have heard some disturbing news and some challenges that might be taking place in regard to the delivery of the America’s Cup in regard to ensuring that everything is in place for the America’s Cup. And here is the one thing of which I will say, Mr. Speaker . After a bill that is going to without question top $100 million, we cannot afford to get it wrong. This som ething, Mr. Spe aker, that is very, very, very important. Now, if we on this side wanted to have spent the money in a different place— yes. But the fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, that we lost the election. The spending of where the money is . . . the choice of where money is spent is not what we on this side get to decide. It is what the Government gets to decide. They have chosen that as the best place to spend our money and that is where we will be spending our money. They have chosen where those that are our eggs are going to go and those are where our eggs right now are, Mr. Speaker. But we cannot afford for those eggs to break and for us to end up with the pr overbial egg on our face. So, in saying this, Mr. Speaker, as we have heard the Honourable Premier say recently in his mantra about working together and focusing on the issues and not the politics and the people, I would sincerely hope that if there are challenges with deli very and if there are challenges in ensuring that ever ything is going to work properly, and if there are challenges in making sure that we are ready and putting on the best face for the world, that we are open, that we are honest about it, and that we seek to make sure that they are addressed quickly. Because, Mr. Speaker, though there may be a small political price to pay in the near term, humbling yourself and understanding and recognising that you may need help, or things are not going exactly as necessary and required, it would be a lot worse, Mr. Speaker, than for us to have an event where everyone is saying the world is looking at us and we do not perform to the level of which we need to as a jurisdiction. And I say that, Mr. Speaker, not to throw stones, but out of genuine concern about things of which we are hearing and the fact that B ermuda may not shine in the way that it must after a bill that will certainly top over $100 million. So, in saying that, Mr. Speaker, I say to you and the listening audience at 4:00 in the morning that if there is an issue and if there is help that, in an y way shape or form, we on this side can lend, I look forward to outreach from you, the Premier, or the Minister for Economic Development. We will do what is necessary to assist because we cannot —and I repeat, cannot — fail in the hosting of this endeavour. Now, Mr. Speaker, I will close with this. We all know and we all understand, as I said before, that we are in the last year of a One Bermuda Alliance Go vernment. And it is clear, of course, Mr. Speaker, that election is coming. The only thing that I have said on many times in the media, and I have said it many times to those persons who listen, and in the places of where we may socialise, or on the doors of where we may knock on in our particular constituencies, that politicians should not be judged and the Government should not be judged on what they say, they should be judged on what they do. We have heard a great deal over the past, I would say 72 hours since the One Bermuda Alliance became a minority Government, about the way that things should change a nd the way in which we should act. And hearing, of course, the refrain that people are tired of us shouting at each other, they want us to work together; they want us to focus on issues. The Progressive Labour Party is ready to have that debate on issues, Mr. Speaker. And as the country looks for-ward to making a choice I sincerely hope that the Government is ready to engage on a debate of issues because it is what the people of this country deserve and it is the very least of which we can provide to the people of this country when they are facing a choice which may very well define not only their future but also their children’s future. So, I look forward to hopefully engaging in a substantive debate, to having debates whether it be up and down the country, to having debates with the Honourable Premier and whomever represents our side on the area of Finance to debate with the Minister of Finance himself. I would hope that we can actually discuss the issues and it would be my hope that as we move forward during this period, as the Premier was quoted today in saying, that we can discuss the issues and not focus on the politics. Because when we look at our country, Mr. Speaker, and the pain of which a lot of people are going through, as the Honourable Member for constituency 29 just mentioned. It is real. And unless we are able to discuss issues and offer solutions that challenge the very people of whom we represent, Mr. Speaker , our cause will not be noble and the challenges of which exist in the declining s ocial fabric of our country will only get worse. And that, Mr. Speaker, we cannot afford. 1596 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report
Bermuda House of Assembly With that, Mr. Speaker, I wish you the best.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAll right. Thank you very much, Ho nourable Member, the Leader of the Opposition. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Premier. Mr. Premier — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Good morning to you and colleagues.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerMorning. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, we have been having debate on issues for four and a half years now. Very clearly, we have been having debate on issues for four and a half years, and also we have been pushing back getting misinformation for four and a half …
Morning. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, we have been having debate on issues for four and a half years now. Very clearly, we have been having debate on issues for four and a half years, and also we have been pushing back getting misinformation for four and a half years now, Mr. Speaker . And what is quite clear to me is that the O pposition is so sure of the direction they are moving, I think they are being clouded by the arrogance of some blinders that horses wear to get them to have the competence to move forward. We have moved a long way from 2012, and I recall last week during the debate the Opposition Leader said in discussing a particular Head, and monies being spent, It’s not free . I remember those two words very clearly because I wrote down a list of about 15 things where amnesia had struck. It was not free under the former Government. We have been trying to dig out of this hole for four and a half years, and we have made progress. We realise that there are many people still struggling, and we will not stop working. The stories that the Honourable Member from [constituency] 29 told— and one of my colleagues will reach out to him —we know there are people who are struggling out in the community. And just like them, we want to help. We will make a differ-ence. But unlike them, the sky is not falling all around us. There is opportunity out there. We just have to peel back those blinders and look to see the best path forward. And we have created that in four and a half years. We have shored up Government finances — because we know it is not free. That $45 million that was spent at Grand Atlantic and only turned on one set of lights . . . that was not free. The $6 million bond to Berkeley that was dismissed . . . that is not free. I could go on and on, but it gets sensitive when we start talking about what was not free and we are paying for it now. And they cannot remember it, as the Honourable Member from constituency 36 (who is not sitting in his seat) interpolated. We remember, and that is the hole we are digging out of. That is why at times we feel like we have two hands tied behind our backs, because it is not free. We have to pay that debt. We have to pay that deficit. So I get aggravated, just like every single one of my colleagues gets aggravated on this side, when we are attacked because we hear hollow conversation on that side. Well, they are not taking care of our people, with information the sky is fal ling, we are done! We cannot get out of this mess . But, Mr. Speaker, let me just reflect for a second here. If people did not have confidence in the direction we were taking Bermuda, why would Amer ica’s Cup invest in Bermuda? And we have listened to three years from the Opposition, Well, we kinda su pport the event, but . . . it’s for country club people with big yachts . And now, all of a sudden, tonight well, we hear there are some challenges and we don’t want it to fail . I am telling the Honourable Members on that side and the people of Bermuda, it will be a success. And if those Members have some issues, come talk to us. We are happy to work through any issues that you might think are out there. But it will be a success b ecause we have worked at it assiduously since the day it was signed in New York. We have had our challenges along the way. Of course, we have had our challenges along the way. Such is life. It is going to be challenge for all of us to wake up today and get to work. Some of us will do it with a smile on our face and a spring in our step because we are working for the people of Bermuda. And what are we doing? We are paying the bills of the sins of the past.
[Inaudible interjections]
Hon. Micha el H. Dunkley: And the Honourable Member that sits over there said it is all about money, money, money. Well, Mr. Speaker, nothing is free in life. And as we dig out of this hole there is a world of opportunity for Bermuda, because with the America’s Cup w e are going to have 140 countries around the world watching on TV. Just think of people who do not know where we are. They think of the Bermuda Trian-gle. They think of the Bermuda Triangle for some ex-citement in years gone by, but then when they see the beauty of the Island and the beauty of our people, they will be captivated by what we have to offer. That is part of the foundation we are building here. We talk about hotel development . . . we had a debate a little while ago. I cringed listening to us con-tinue to beat up on people. Beat up on people we asked to come to our country and work with us! Mr. Speaker, I wonder, do we really want to succeed? This Government does. And we are working through it. Yes, we are going to have some dark days ahead of us because we still have some of those chal-lenges out there, but I have hope and I believe in Bermudian people—all of us. That is why we work so hard. That is why I am going to go home, have an hour of sleep, have a shave and get up and do it again. Because this side loves working for all the pe ople of Bermuda and the sky is not falling. And watch us. We will continue to part those clouds, that thunder
Bermuda House of Assembly and lightning and Bermuda will continue to rise as one. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The SpeakerThe SpeakerThank you, Honourable Premier. Honourable Members, the House is adjourned to Friday, 12 May 2017. [Gavel]
The SpeakerThe SpeakerAnd Honourable Member s have a pleasant break.
An Hon. Member An Hon. MemberYou, too, Mr. Speaker.
The SpeakerThe SpeakerI will definitely have a pleasant break. [At 4:05 am [Tuesday, 21 March 2017], the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 12 May 2017.] 1598 20 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank]