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March 10, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 10, 2017
Session 2016/2017
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571 speeches from 25 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, good morning, first. And we have confirmation of the Minutes of the 8th of March. Those have been distributed. If there are no objections or if there are no changes, those Minutes are confirmed. [Mi nutes of 8 March 2017 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I would like to inform the House that MP Michael Weeks, from constituency 16, will be away from the House on business until March the 14 th. Also, MP C. W. D. Brown, from constituency 17, has been asked to be excused today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will first recognise the Ho nourable Minister for Finance. Minister Bob Richards, you have the floor. Hon . E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which, according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, requires the Governor’s recommenda-tion, so …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister for Economic Development. Dr. Grant Gib-bons, you have the floor.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS (REGULATORY AUTHORITY FEES) REGULATIONS 2017
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Electronic Communications (Regulatory Authority Fees) Regulations 2017, proposed to be made by the Minister of Telecommunicat …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Dr. Gibbons. Hon . E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon . E. T. (Bob) Richards: I read out of the wrong thing.
The Speaker The Speaker Did you, sir? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, I did. I might—
The Speaker The Speaker Let us drop back. Like they do in rugby, you drop back a couple of steps and punt. So let us drop back a couple of steps. Hon . E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, sir. 996 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: And …
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Thank you . Thank you, Minister, for bringing that to our attention. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Now we have Statements by Ministers and Junior Ministers. The Chair will first recognise the Honourable Minister for Finance. Minister of Finance, did you have a Statement? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: It is all the Premier’s fault,
Mr. Speaker. He was distracting me. The Speaker Blame it on anybody, Honourable Member. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the Audited Financial Statements relating to the Consolidated Fund for the year ended March 31st, 2016. As Honourable Members are aware, the Co nsolidated Fund is the general operating fund of …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Minister, just hold for a second because I do not have . . . but I understand that other Members do not have the Statement either. So if we could just hold for a second. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Certainly, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I was just asking for it, hoping that it was only me who did not have it (as they like to leave the Speaker out ). So, if you will just hold for a minute while I get copies, because Members should have this while you are reading it. If …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Good morning. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, may I first just mention that this Statement is dated Febr uary 10th, as opposed to March 10th, which is a typo. Corrected copies will be made available for the House, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I have a corrected copy. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Okay. Thank you. Thank you. BERMUDIANS TRAVELLING ON BERMUDA PASSPORTS TO THE UNITED STATES Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, we recently became aware that some Bermudians were experi encing additional questions or delays at some United States …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Minister. Thank you very much. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Education. Minister N. H. C. Simons, you have the floor. 998 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT COMMITTEE LAUNCH Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. This …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, Minister. Thank you very much. The Chair wi ll now recognise the Minister of Finance, because I think all Members now will have his Statement. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I am not sure where to start, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Just start at the beginning. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay. CONSOLIDATED FUND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I am pleased to table the Audited Financial Statements relating to the Consol idated Fund for the year ended March 31 st, 2016. As Honourable Members are aware, …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you very much, Mini ster. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. We now move into the Question Period. And the Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 36, MP Michael Scott. QUESTION 1: LAHEY CLINIC, ATTORNEY GENERAL’S CIVIL ACTION Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This question is to the Honourable Attorney General: Will the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No retainer has been paid to Cooley’s. Fees have been paid on the time basis, based on the hours spent by the lawyers engaged in the matter. I cannot give total costs. The exact amounts being paid would give an indication …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF PRIVILEGE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I rise directly to a question in a point of privilege.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Which, the privileges of this House are to receive answers to questions. It is the responsibility of Parliament to approve finances and to understand how money is spent. A question was asked for information which directly lies within the r emit of the Attorney …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes. You have a supplementary?
Ms. Kim N. Wilson I will allow you to perhaps . . . I do not know if there is going to be a ruling with r espect to the comments made.
The Speaker The Speaker We will go through with the supplementaries first.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Well, Mr. Speaker, I do not have a supplementary. I wanted to address you with r espect to the attempted answer by the Attorney Gen-eral, claiming privilege because of ongoing litigation. You yourself would know that, with respect to ongoing litigation, that has absolutely nothing to do with the cost …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Thank you, Honourable Members. Yes, Honourable Members, in relation to this matter, I think certainly that there is no need for any indication of specifically maybe what monies are spent for. But I think it is important for the House, the amounts of …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, if you will be quiet! [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker If you would be able to inform the House of the expenses incurred. Maybe you do not have to get into details about exactly what they are for. But certainly, any monies that have been spent, it is important for Members to know. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker That will be . . . I think that will be . . . And then I will listen to both sides of the matter. But my position is that we should be able to provide the information to the House. And so, when we return to the House on …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes, Honourable Member.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Mr. Speaker, may I ask a question related to this matter? Or is your ruling final?
The Speaker The Speaker I think we will just leave it, Honourable Member, until we sort this matter out and then come back and deal with it on Monday. Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: The second question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. 1002 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 2: LAHEY CLINIC, ATTORNEY GENERAL’S CIVIL ACTION Hon. Michael J. Scott: Again, to the Honourable and Learned Attorney General: Will the Honourable Attorney General please inform this Honourable House , what is the rationale for engaging a …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Cooley LLP have engaged the services of Media Consultants to handle the media inquiries that they correctly anticipated would arise from the Lahey complaint, on behalf of counsel, so as not to distract from counsel’s litigation of the matter and my …
The Speaker The Speaker Take your time. Do not jump up so fast. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honour able Member from constituency 33.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Supplemental, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons With the history of the company in question of being a political -based organ isation specialising in political strategy and political consulting, would the Honourable Member explain to the Honourable House why a traditional company was not hired to operate in this matter? Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, as I explained to the Members, it was Cooley who hired the firm, not myself. So it was not something that I picked or looked at a list. They said they would like to hire Me-dia Consultants. And, you know, that was …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister, you said Cooley has engaged this company. Can you confirm that, even though Cooley has engaged this company, the taxpayer in the end will have to pay …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That does not really need an answer. Obviously, that is the case. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sorry, Mr. Speaker, I totally disagree with that.
The Speaker The Speaker Just a second. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. A supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: In the Honourable Minister’s answer, he says that the request was made by Cool ey and it was approved by him. When the request was made by Cooley and was approved by him, would the Honourable Minister please advise this Honourable House what was the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes, the Chair will recognise the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Rob an Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the answers given by the Attorney General, would not the Attorney General agree that it would be more respectful to this House if the concerns that he has raised about these questions now could have been addressed by the Speaker earlier and that …
The Speaker The Speaker By the . . . not by the Speaker, Honourable Member.
Mr. Walter H. Roban No. Addressed to yourself.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, to the Speaker. Oh. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Walter H. Roban: To the Speaker prior to coming to this House today in light of your concerns about disclosing the answers that you have been reques ted. . . it seems to have been disrespectful to not have done …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I certainly was not asked if I approved the questions. But the House deserves the respect, and the people of Bermuda d eserve the respect, of my answer as to why it is not appropriate to answer them. If I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes, the Chair will recognise the Learned Member — Hon. Michael J. Scott: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, for a supplementary? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Sir, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Scott. Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Sir, again to the Attorney General: Will the Attorney General agree that, in light of the serious complaint now in the public domain that his action s are being complained about by Lord Gol dsmith, QC, and Jerome Lynch, QC, that his continuing …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, there have been no such breaches. There have been some false statements in the media. And they are indeed false. I do not know if the individuals who have made the statements realise that they are false, but they are false. We …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Supplementary on question 2,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Yes. Yes.
Mr. Walter H. Roban In light of the answer given by the Honourable and Learned Attorney General to question two as to the expense of engaging the public relations firm.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Is the Honourable Attorney General confirming that no fixed amount has been agreed, that there is essentially a rolling account on this particular retaining of this firm, and he has agreed to that?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yes, that is correct. We pay all reasonable charges, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Attorney General. Yes, the Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. MP Burt, you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the fact that Financial I nstructions in the country require quotes for items to be …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Attorney General . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: All I can say to the House, Mr. Speaker, is that the individual litigation has been approved. Each piece of litigation that has been taken forward has been notified to Cabinet and has Cabi-net’s support for that. But what I do within …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Attorney General. The Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 36. Your supplementary again? Hon. Michael J. Scott: My second supplementary and I think my final one.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: And it arises out of an answer by Mr. Attorney.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: To the Attorney General: On the basis that you, sir, are aware of Article 7 of the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty [Between the United States of America and Bermuda], which I have before me, that provides that “The Requesting Party shall not use or …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That Honourable and Learned Member is, I believe, under a fundamental mistake of fact. He reads out the Article of the Treaty; that is fair enough. We have not used any information from any criminal investigation in any other place …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Attorney General. The Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 6, MP Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Honourable Minister inform this Ho nourable House the date that Cabinet approved the actual awarding of the contract with the law firm?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I do not have the date in front of me, but I can supply that to Members. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 5. MP D. V. Burgess, you have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Attorney General said that he used local information. The question is, Where did he get this local information …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I did not know, Mr. Speaker, that the Honourable Member had been employed by any person to start to come up to the House to ask questions about this. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: We are not going to reveal —
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, that is not . . . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, we are not going to reveal — Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Will you have that Member withdraw his remarks?
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. That is not necessary, thank you. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member! Honourable Member. [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Honourable Member! Yes, Attorney General. And stay away from any, any, any such remarks. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Perhaps the Member would repeat his question. I got distracted with …
The Speaker The Speaker The question was with regard to information locally. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: This matter is sub judice. They involve investigations. So, obviously, it would be prejudicial to the court cases to reveal any of that i nformation. And I do not even know what information he is talking about. But …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Attorney General. Yes, the Chair will r ecognise the Learned Member from constituency 34.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would like to refer you quite quickly to Erskine May’s [Parliamentary Practice] , the 23 rd [Edition]. And it deals specifically with matters that are sub judice, in particular pages 352 and 353. I am hearing a lot, Mr. Speaker, about matters being sub judice. …
The Speaker The Speaker I understand that clearly, yes.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I just refer to our own [Standing Orders]. And it is quite clear, it refers to any matter which is sub judice and prejudicing a matter, under the rules.
The Speaker The Speaker However, Attorney General, let me just say that certainly, if I may, I refer Members to the fact that any matter that is not dealt with specifically within our [Standing Orders], then we move to May’s . And I have researched this myself previously in regard to matters which are …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I understand that. Our [Standing Order] is quite clear. Hon. Trevor G. Mon iz: There is no doubt in our [Standing Order].
The Speaker The Speaker There is no doubt, but it does not speak to matters that are in courts overseas. Our [Standing Order] does not. Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: With all due respect, Mr. Speaker, it is a broad ambit in our [Standing Order].
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, but that is my position on that matter. Yes, the Chair will recognise MP Burgess for your second supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Honourable Attorney General reveal to this House whether the local police are part of the investigative …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, the answer to that is no. I mean, the sources of the information are sources that we have.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable Attorney General, you have said that no estimate was given for the PR firm, and you would expect reasonable costs. Now, we know that reasonable …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I was satisfied that the information given was reasonable, Mr. Speaker. 1006 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: All right. Thank you, Attorney General. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 33, MP Jamahl …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a supplementary, would the Honourable Member agree that the cost of using a political co nsultant firm would far outstrip the cost of a traditional media management body, and thus it would basically have been more appropriate [for him] to seek som ething a little …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I am not aware that what he is saying is at all true. I do not accept that what he is saying is true. I certainly do not know that what he is saying is true with respect to the nature of the …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, thank you, Attorney General. MP Scott. Ah, MP Wilson.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This was a supplemental to the question or the answer that was provided previously, concerning the public doc ument.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Mr. Speaker, I would ask the Honourable Attorney General, would it not be correct that, notwithstanding the revelation of the details that were in the statement of claim that was made public in our Bermuda press, would he not agree that certainly that process is completely contrary to custom and …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I do not know whereof the Members speak. It is a public document —a public document. It was on the front page of the Boston Globe. It is not something that I have the ability to keep secret. And I certainly do …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank y ou. Yes, MP Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the Minister is very much involved in this and he mentioned as far as based on time, can he tell this Honourable House what is the hourly rate be-ing charged by the law …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I do not have that off the top of my head, Mr. Speaker. But it is a normal rate. So I would not get too excited. I do not know why Members are obsessed. They should be concerned about what took place, not the …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member. Honourable Member. Honourable Member, if you have that, if you could just provide that information, actually just the hourly rate, it would be helpful. Yes, MP Scott. QUESTION3: LAHEY CLINIC, ATTORNEY GE NERAL’S CIVIL ACTION Hon. Michael J. Scott: Finally, to the Attorney General: Will the Honourable Attorney …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes. The Chair will recognise MP Wayne Furbert. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. Mr. Speaker, knowing that the Minister of Finance is very much concerned about the cost, did the Minister inform the Minister of Finance, roughly, the cost for these procedures, this legal proceeding?
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. There is a question. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I am not sure how that arises from this question. But —
The Speaker The Speaker I think it is outside of the question, because we are asking about who the actual attorneys are, instructing. Yes. Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: My follow -up. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I am grateful to the Attorney General for indicating that he …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I can so confirm that no private attorney has been involved in instruc ting Cooley’s.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of privilege, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: I did not hear the Minister’s answer. Could you just repeat? Did you say “ can” or “cannot ” confirm ? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I can confirm that no private attorney has been involved.
The Speaker The Speaker You have a supplementary, MP? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, absolutely, Mr. Speaker, a supplementary on this particular issue.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: The Minister said that there is no law firm . . . sorry, no other local counsel that is assis ting in this. Earlier, the Minister, in some of his an-swers, mentioned about the investigative resources at the disposal of his office. Would the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, most of the i nformation has come from inside of Government with the departments that are involved, or bodies. We ask them for information, and they provide it.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, MP Burt. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, just as a suppl ementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: And it is very painful to ask questions and not be answered. I asked the investigative resources at the disposal of the Attorney General. The Attorney General said it is just him. So is the Attorney General personally writing to departments and getting information and …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, this is a co mpletely absurd discussion . . . but, obviously, I use the resources within Chambers, you know, wherever any particular area is concerned. And I use what I think is appropriate at the time.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Attorney General. T he Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 34.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having sat as a previous Attorney General, recognising that the members of staff and the like are included in our Budget Books, I wonder if the Honour-able Attorney General could be more specific insofar as who has been retained or who specifically, under the purview of …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: All of the attorneys within Chambers are attorneys. And they all involve invest igating cases that they are doing, I mean, clearly. And I use all the resources available to me.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Attorney General. Yes. The Chair will recognise the Member from constituenc y 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Attorney General, you said that you had r eceived information in various departments inside of Government. Can you give us maybe a few examples of …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: No, Mr. Speaker. That is outside of this question. And I am not going to provide the evidence to the other side. I mean by “the other side, ” I mean Lahey. You are trying to prejudice the ongoing case, clearly. 1008 10 March …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, but we are dealing — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He said that he had used other departments inside of Government. That is a simple question that I think the people of Bermuda should have an answer to.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes. MP Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know the Minister said that he uses practically all of the lawyers, even draftsmen, inside of his department. But can the Minister inform this Honourable House who is the main point guard for this case?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I am.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. All right. Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Whip, MP Foggo.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you. Perhaps the Attorney General can inform us as to whether or not this investigation resulted in personal investigations into rackets coming from GEHI [Government Employee Health Insurance]?
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, we are really tal king about the question. It is a basic question.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo It is a supplementary question to his answer, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I know it is a supplementary. Yes. I know. Go ahead.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Because he spoke about an investigative process that took place. And I am asking him, did that process lead to information being reaped from documents of persons that are held in GEHI?
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, as I said before, we have obviously made inquiries of all government departments which might be relevant to an investig a-tion for this case which involves health matters. So Members can pick out of that as they choose.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Attorney General. You have another supplementary ?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Go ahead.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I am asking if that is a yes, an outright yes, to the question that I just asked, because he generalised. So, did he get that information about personal information from records that are within GEHI?
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Just requires a simple yes or no.
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, I am not pr epared to be specific. I was prepared to be broad. We have sought information from all the relevant depar tments. I am not going to go through them one by one or what information. The Opposition are clearly …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Attorney General. Thank you, Attorney General. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF PRIVILEGE Hon. E. David Burt: I rise again on a point of privilege of the House of Parliament, where questions that are put to Ministers of the front benches are to be answered. A simple question was asked to the Minister, whether or not he received information …
The Speaker The Speaker He answered. You may not like the answer; he answered. He did not give a specific answer, Honourable Member. He did not give a specific answer, yes, yes. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Members. We now move to the Statements, and the first Statement — Hon. E. David …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: I just want to just make sure that it is recorded as per our Standing Orders that question number 1 will be taken up next Monday.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: I just want to be certain. The Spe aker: Yes. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: The Minister will bring the answers. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, thank you, thank you. We will now move to the first Statement, by the Minister of Finance. And the Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 18, the Leader of the Opposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just a quick note. There is …
The Speaker The Speaker I am sorry. Where were we? Hon. E. David Burt: It is 2017, not 2016. But that is what happens when you cut and paste the first three pages of the Statement. So, Mr. Speaker, I will read from . . . and this is quite a long question, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker This time, yes. QUESTION 1: CONSOLIDATED FUND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS 2016 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will read from the Finance Mi nister’s Statement which he made to this Parliament on the 20 th of May 2016. And on the 20th of May 2016, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, it is obvious from what the Honourable Member asked that it con-tinues to be a work in progress.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. E. David Burt: I will just ask if the Minister could please answer the question which I asked. Can the Minister please state what progress has been made on the initiative that he announced in this Parliament on the 20 th of May 2016 in response …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I think you have had your two supplementaries, Honourable Member. Hon. E. David Burt: My two supplementaries?
The Speaker The Speaker Your question number 2? QUESTION 2: CONSOLIDATED FUND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS 2016 Hon. E. David Burt: Well, I guess I will just move on to question 2, Mr. Speaker, because question 2 is very interesting, because previously we heard that the Honourable Attorney General apparently has the per-mission of the Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Which statement? Which Auditor General? Hon. E. David Burt: The tabling of the Financial —
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, yes. Hon. E. David Burt: —which the Minister gave a statement on. And in the statement it says (and I quote, Mr. Speaker ), “I wish to draw attention to ongoing inc idences of noncompliance with the Government of Bermuda’s Financial Instructions, which form the standard for controls for …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, this is the third time the Member has asked essentially the same question. I have told him and I have told this House that this is a work in progress. These are Financial Statements from the fiscal year that ended a year …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you, Honourable Mem ber. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, but it would be clear that there has been no progress at all. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 29. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Minister, for that confirmation that it is a work in progress. We really appreciate that. Can you give us maybe one example of what some of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes, MP. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So if he cannot, Honour able Minister of Finance, can you tell us why you will not tell the people of Bermuda what some of your in itiatives are?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: This is a work in pr ogress, and that is the position. I am not going to go into any details because these details are a work in progress. What does a work in progress mean? [Does it mean] t hat we have not …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister of Finance. The Chair will recognise now the Member from constituency — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just find it extraordinary that the Minister could not even tell us one thing that he is working on! What is one thing you …
The Speaker The Speaker I think that this was just answered. That is the same thing, Honourable Member. Yes, MP Burt, you have a third question? QUESTION 3: CONSOLIDATED FUND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS 2016 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I will go on to my third question because the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Minister of Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I do not believe there were any restatements. In any case, these Financial Statements are not made until they are completed and audited. There is a process that goes on between the Accountant General, the Financial Secretary, and the auditor to …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Yes, the Leader of the Opposition again, for a supplementary. Supplementary, right? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. E. David Burt: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker, absolutely. I appreciate how the Minister of Finance feels the need to try to learn me up, but I am just going to try to learn …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, these statements are the fourth consecutive year of unqualified statements. The last time we had qualified stat ements was under their administration. So there have been no adjustments, no restatement. This is a fig-ment of the Honourable Member’s imagination!
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes, MP Burt, again. Second supplementary? Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, Mr. Speaker. My second supplementary is, I thank the Minister for his answer confirming to the members of the public that there were no changes to Financial Statements. So the pr evious items which were …
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, carry on, Honourable Member. Hon. E. David Burt: The supplementary that I will ask, Mr. Speaker, is: Given the incidents of noncom-pliance with Financial Instructions, which were stated by the Auditor General, and given the Minister’s earl ier answers about that there is a work in progress, would …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Finance Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, when the work in progress is finished and we have something to report to the people of Bermuda, either directly or through this Parliament, I will make such statement. I am not going to make any statements when a thing …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wondered, for the Ministers and for the proper recording, on page 4 of your Statement, it says, “Mr. Speaker, current expenses for fiscal 2015/16 . …
The Speaker The Speaker Where? Where are you, on what page? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Page 4.
The Speaker The Speaker Where? Where? Where on page 4? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Last paragraph.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Okay. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: “Current expenses for fiscal 2015/16 were $1.176 billion” and 2014/15 was $1.211. 1012 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly I believe the Statement says “$1.227,” the actual Audit Statement. So the 1.227 should be . . .billion —not 1.211 billion. …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. And so, Honourable Finance Minister, you can look at that. If we need to make the adjustment, then we can make the necessary adjustments. Thank you, MP Furbert. We now move to the second Statement, by the Honourable Minister for Home Affairs. And the Chair will …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Honourable Minister confirm, based on the first paragraph of her Statement, which states that “we recently became aware that some Bermudi-ans were experiencing additional questions or delays at some United States borders.” Can you confirm to us how many reports you have had of …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. MP Roban again. Supplementary or another question?
Mr. Walter H. Roban Another question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 2 BERMUDIANS TRAVELLING ON BERMUDA PASSPORTS TO THE UNITED STATES
Mr. Walter H. Roban Does the Minister have the view that the circumstances that we are experienc-ing— The Speaker: You are not to ask for opinions in as king questions.
Mr. Walter H. Roban I think I am asking a question, Mr. Speaker. Whether the Minister agrees or not with my question.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Does the Minister agree or not?
The Speaker The Speaker Not “ having the view .”
Mr. Walter H. Roban That is what I said.
The Speaker The Speaker You said, “have the view.”
Mr. Walter H. Roban My apologies. I meant to say, Does the Minister agree?
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, well say what you meant, yes.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Does the Minister agree, Mr. Speaker, that, in light of what has been described on page 2, second paragraph, of her Statement, this might have been an issue that could have been anti cipated by her department, along with Her Majesty’s Passport Office?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I agree 100 per cent with that. It was anticipated. It was questioned. It was asked. It was ignored when the new process was put in place, as was indicated in my Statement. As a result of it, we anticipated it. We knew there …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Yes, MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Mr. Speaker, does the Mini ster—
The Speaker The Speaker Is this a supplementary or another question? Third question?
Mr. Walter H. Roban It is a question, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 3 : BERMUDIANS TRAVELLING ON BERMUDA PASSPORTS TO THE UNITED STATES
Mr. Walter H. Roban Perhaps the Minister would consider that this may be an opportunity for us to r enegotiate this arrangement with the US Government, in light of the difficulties being experienced, you know, with this particular arrangement. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Honourable Member could perhaps …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So I just want to make sure I get the question right.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Okay. If I can be given a little licence, Mr. Speaker. Our passports have always been property of Her Majesty’s Government. They have never been exclusively the property of our Go vernment. Correct? So the arrangement that we have on visa- free entry is not an agreement between Her Majesty’s …
The Speaker The Speaker So your question, whether that is a ppropriate.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes. Whether perhaps right now it is prudent for us to sit down and renegotiate the arrangements with the United States Government, [between] our Government and the US Government.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to make this clear, that there is no change and no challenge between the Bermuda Go vernment and the US Government respecting visa- free entry for Bermuda. Hence, there is nothing to reneg otiate in that respect. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. All right. Thank you very much. Yes, MP Commissiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Bearing in mind, Mr. Speaker, that the Minister has acknowledged that the British, or Her Majesty’s Government, were not pr epared to take on the advice of Bermuda’s Department of Immigration, is the Minister sanguine, or confident, that the British now, in retrospect, or Her Majesty’s Government, will engineer the …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Yes, Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. Let me say that, as was indicated in my Statement, we have actually gone with t he Premier. We have dealt with the US Consul General, Customs and Border Protection, the Deputy Governor’s Office, the Governor, and now …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mini ster. We now move to the third Statement. The Chair will recognise the Whip. MP Foggo, you have the floor. QUESTION 1: PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT CO MMITTEE LAUNCH
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to ask the Honourable Minister of Education, with this new committee, parental committee, being put in place, how in essence will this body oper-ate differently from the National PTSA?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. Good question. They will work in collaboration with the N ational PTSA. From a macro point of view, the PTSA is an amalgam of PTAs representing each school. But this would be an overarching one, and they will work together in regards …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, MP Foggo, yes. QUESTION 2 : PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT CO MMITTEE LAUNCH
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. It is not a specific answer to the question, but it does say how they will work together. Thank you for that, Minister. My second question is this: We often heard of all the noise that is made about the Ministry being top-heavy. Given the PTSAs, the National …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you. That is a good question, and, you know, she is right. It is an inhibitor to best practices and the delivery of first -class educ ation in this country. As I said earlier, as the Shadow Minister knows, we are doing a …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Yes, MP Foggo. Third question?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker, my third and final question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 3 : PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT CO MMITTEE LAUNCH
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Given that this body will have oversight of our entire school system, along with the other bodies that are in place, might I speak to the inclusivity by also inviting persons from the private sector, especially since you speak about what is happening in your transformational reform in getting this …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. As I said during my Statement, the Parental Involvement Committee was a result of a request made by a number of parents. And we felt that for children to succeed parents need to be involved and the community needs …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. That concludes our question time. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Deputy Speaker.
Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Twelve Angry Men. Twelve Angry Men was an original broadcast, a TV drama that was written in 1954. And by 1957, it became a theatre play. Well, Twelve Angry Men is currently being performed by the Bermuda Musical Dramatic Society. It had its opening Bermuda House …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Whip. MP Foggo, you have the floor.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know if you had the opportunity to hear on HOTT 107.5, I think it is, St. D avid’s Preschool, under St. David’s Preschool, where they have introduced their musical talents, if you will. In fact, St. David’s Preschool students, in …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13. MP Diallo Rabain, you have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Mr. Speaker, I rise to my feet today to ask that this House send hearty congratul ations to the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Incorporated, fraternity Epsilon Theta Lambda Chapter, here in Bermuda, who have just concluded a very successful Annual Alpha Week. For those in the audience and those in …
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honour able Member from constituency 33, MP Jamahl Si mmons.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning again.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Mr. Speaker, I rise today to offer congratulations to the Mr. Chicken business, and the owners and the management of that company. As many are aware, they have recently opened another one of their outlets in the East End. And I had the pleasure yesterday of attending, along with a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Any other Honourable Members care to speak? There are none. So that concludes obituary and congratulatory speeches. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANA TIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance. Minister Bob Richards, you have the floor. FIRST READING PAYROLL TAX AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am heading in the right place this time. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which, acco …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you very much, Minister Richards. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. Bermuda Hous e of Assembly PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, we are now on Orders of the Day, and the Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that we resume to the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much. Any objections to that? There are none. So the Honourable Member from constituency 21, MP Rolfe Commissiong, if you will please take the Chair. House in Committee at 11:53 am [Mr. Rolfe Commissiong, Chairman] COMMI TTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads 95, Ministry of Economic Development Headquarters, and Head 67, Department of Information and Communications Technology, be now taken under consideration. The Chai rman: You may proceed. HEAD 95 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 95, the Ministry Headquarters for the Ministry of Economic Development. And that is found on pages B -330 to B-333 of the Budget Book. I would like to make some brief budget -related comments about …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are about to resume in Committee of the whole House for consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18. At this time I will give the floor to the Honourable Minister of Economic Development who will continue with the consideration of Heads 95 and …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good afternoon. MINISTRY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HEAD 95 —HEADQUARTERS [Continuation thereof]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Before lunch, I started on Head 95, which was the Ministry of Ec onomic Development. And we had gotten part of the way. At the time we broke for lunch I was talking about the Bermuda Economic Development Corpor ation, and the grant for that particular quango is on page …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I now move to the Department of ICT, Policy and Innovation which is Head 67. And that is found on pages B- 341 to B -344 1034 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly of the Budget Book. The current estimates start on page B -341 and …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, this cost centre allows the department to encourage the adoption and use of technology as a tool for skilled and business development. Programmes are offered that integrate technology, technology training and education into how Bermuda operates at home, at work and at school. Through the various programme offerings, …
The Chairman Chairman These heads end at 4:24 pm.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons At 4:24 pm. Okay. I am going to turn now to the development of our Space and Satellite Industry, which is reflected o n page C -7. The Department of ICT Policy and Innov ation has been allocated $400,000 in capital funding for financial year 2017/18 to support our space …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Would anyone else like to speak to the heads? Th e Chair calls on the Member from constit uency 33. 1042 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And thank you, Minister for having a …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Okay. One of the other aspects as well in terms of inclusion, is we must begin to look at not just getting the entrepreneurs, the enter-tainers, and all the people who are not the legacy businesses involved earlier , I would strongly suggest examining the programmes —the effective pr ogrammes …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, exactly how much time do we have left on this side?
The Chairman Chairman You have about 10 minutes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Ten minutes.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, until 4:24 [pm]. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Four twenty -four. Okay, well, listen, Madam Chairman, I am very much concerned that we have a three- hour debate and the Minister goes two and a half, two and three- quarters and pontificates and then at the end of the day …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Typo. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yeah, I know that. I am just telling you . . . well, which one are we approving then? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: There is a hundred . . . which one is correct? Next question is . . . time is just …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. In the minute remaining?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, one minute.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, thank you. On the loan guarantees, 16 were from Butterfield, 9 from HSBC, 15 from Clarien. There is no error in the figures here. They add up . . . the $4.125 million and the $1.564 for the two grants come out to the correct amount here, which is …
The Chairman Chairman Time . Minister, you have the floor.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will move Head 95, Ministry of Economic Development Headquarters, and Head 67, the D epartment of Information and Communications Tec hnology.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 95 and 67 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Economic Development, Heads 95 and 67 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditures 2017/18.]
The Chairman Chairman We are now preparing to move onto the next heads. It is Transportation, Heads 48, 31, 34, 35, 57, 30 and 73. The time is 4:26. MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I would ask that Heads 48 (in relation to Transport), Head 30—Marine and Ports; Head 31— Airport Operations; Head 34—Transport Control Department; Head 35— Public Transportation; Head 57 —Civil Aviation; and Head 73 —Maritime A dministration be taken under consideration by the Committee.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You have the floor. HEAD 48 —MINISTRY OF TOURISM TRANSPORT AND MUNICIPALITIES HEADQUARTERS
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, the function of the Ministry of Tourism, Transport and Municipalities Headquarters is to ensure safe and eff icient operation of the departments and special oper ations units within the Ministry, ensure the policies of the Bermuda Government relating to the Ministry are enacted and to work with other …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, that concludes the brief for the Ministry of Tourism, Transport and Municipalities Headquarters. I am going to shift now to the brief for the Department of Marine and Ports Services, and that is on page B -186 of the Budget Book. In 2017/18, the Department of Marine and …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, that concludes the brief for the Department of Marine and Ports Services. I am going to now move to page B-191, which is the Department of Airport Operations, and I guess we probably should say, formerly Head 31, because it will be retired in the coming weeks as …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am going to shift now to Head 34, which is on page B- 199, and that is the Transport Control Department. The Transport Control Department (TCD) administers the operation of all motor vehicles on the roads of Bermuda. The department monitors and reg-ulates the size, functionality, physical condition and …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am going to now move to Head 35, Department of Public Transport ation. And that is found on page B -202 of the Budget Book. Madam Chairman, as you ar e aware an extremely unfortunate incident occurred on Tuesday of this week that resulted in a major bus fire …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am going to shift now to the Head 57, which is the Department of Civil Aviation. That is found on page B -207 of the Budget Book. The original forecast for 2016/17 was actually zero. The revised forecast for 2016/17 was $4.2 mi llion. And the estimate for 2017/18 …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am now going to move to the last head, which is the Department of Maritime Administration, and that is found on page B - 209. The original budget for 2016/17 was zero. The revised budget in 2016/17 was $2.4 million. And the estimate for 2017/18 is zero. There will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much, Minister. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the heads we have before us? The Chair recognises the Member from co nstituency 24, Mr. Scott. You have the floor.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Madam Chai rman. One thing I cannot say about the Minister is that he . . . about him not giving me enough time to go through my side of the brief. So I would like to thank him for that. I would just like to start off …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I am still on road safety.
The Chairman Chairman But now Member, we are talking about the budget.
Mr. W. Law rence Scott Yes, I am; I am. And I will show you how this ties into the budget, roadside s obriety checkpoints ties into the budget, because we actually have . . . we should be increasing the cost for road safety, which is . . . just so you know where …
The Chairman Chairman It is on—
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott — which is page B -199, road safety can be found under 8465 or 8389.
The Chairman Chairman Or line number 44090, which is where the funds are allocated.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. Therefore, as I said, my question is to ask what came out of the . . . hold on, I’ll go back. The implementation of roadside sobriety checkpoints could not just save us money, but, more importantly, could save Bermudian lives. So, as I said, page B -198, and …
The Chairman Chairman But Member, we do have to reme mber that this probably folds into another Head, i.e., Police. I just wanted to raise that. It might be a combination here.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. And as I said, no ministry is an islan d. So I am just going to talk about my little patch —
The Chairman Chairman Which in the budget is under this head?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Which is road safety. This is all under road safety, all right? So, it is not to catch people, it is just to put in . . . catching people would be the police. But this is why I am saying that . . . I am not talking about …
The Chairman Chairman That is Road Safety.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Because the Road Safety Council talked with the Road Police —
The Chairman Chairman But we have to be careful where we cross the line. You can help guide me here on where you are planning on going, but 44090 is, indeed, Road Safety, which is what I believe you were talking to.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. Okay.
The Chairman Chairman And that is on page B -198.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. Well, what I will do is save, maybe because I have it highlighted here, I would say under Traffic Control, on page B- 200, 44110. I will save that for under Traffic Control, all right?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott No problem. I have talked to the Minister of Transport, I have spoken to a representative of the Road Policing Unit, and they shared with me that their belief of the positive effects of fixed penalties, which was in the Throne Speech two years ago. This is basically . . …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you are aware that we ca nnot reflect on another head.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. No problem, no problem. I will change, because this actually translates, or segues right i nto what I want to talk about, which would be page 14 in the Reply to the Budget [Stat ement] . . . no, I will show you, because it is talking about the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, but with reference to traffic control, with reference to —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott This goes to TCD, sorry. This should go to TCD administration.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. And you can help me find where that might be.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, TC D administration —
The Chairman Chairman If I can find it first, I will let you know.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Would be page B -198, 44210, under Administration. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So, I just wanted to read this one excerpt.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott It is under “Increase the Use of Technology.” “Additionally, the People’s Budget will fund an extensive review of the technology used within the government and will fund investments to make the government more efficient and more responsive to both internal and external users via technology. There are still too many …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I am just moving forward . . . well, I quoted. But the thing is that . . . I will put it this way. The good Book says, Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. Right? And this is . . . what I am doing now is actually going …
The Chairman Chairman Auxiliary cycle?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, 8465 and 8389, Exam Fees. Also I would like to put it under . . . where is driver’s licences?
The Chairman Chairman And these reflect to revenue, correct?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. This is to revenue. I also want to put it under 8471, which is the Private Car. What I am saying now is that the Shadow Ministry is also looking at exploring and implementing technology in ways that it can either increase the quality of life or reduce the …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, the Honourable Member, Zane De Silva and I both have the same type of car, because we both have good taste in vehicles. But I am not always as blessed as Mr. De Silva, so I had to buy a second- hand car, while Honourable Member De Silva was …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So, we both have that brand- new car . . . no, no, not both. The Honourable Member De Silva is able to go to Bermuda Motors and buy a brand- new car, while Honourable Member Scott has to sort of buy that second- hand car from som ewhere else. …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott What I am trying to say is that after about five years the trend is that we get a new car. But if we could incentivise people to keep their cars longer, that would mean that our congestion levels on the road should theoretically drop. Because people are keeping their …
The Chairman Chairman I would say, there was not an line item for congestion.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I know. I’m sorry, I’m sorry — [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So under administration, it has been brought to the attention of the Shadow Mi nistry that the current Minister plans to theoretically increase congestion by allowing non- Bermudians to drive private cars on our roads without the need for a licence from TCD. And what this is coming under, and …
The Chairman Chairman And that is under administration? Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: It is under administration because, remember, without a TCD licence and it is something that would be covered under the Motor [Car] Act 1953, and the Ministry of Transport basically are the keepers of that gate. So, …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons If I may, point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, the Chair recognises the Mini ster. POINT OF ORDER
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you. I think we had a little bit of a discussion about this in parliamentary questions the other day. No dec ision has been made exactly as to how the issue with respect to Bermudians not being able to rent cars at a couple of Boston airport . . …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. The Chair recognises the Shadow Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Madam Chai rman. What I want to do is go on with the Geneva Convention because my team has been informed by very reliable sources that there is the plan of impl ementing other policy . . . the Minister said it would have to be a piece …
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, in fairness, the Honourable Member is misleading the House. I had to answer parliamentary questions from that Honourable Member about which rental agencies, and Alamo was the only one that we were aware of.
The Chairman Chairman In all fairness, you did mention that when you first stood up. Member?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And I am not disputing what the Honourable Minister just said, but . . . and it is all because we are not a signatory, we did not ratify the Geneva Conventions September 19, 1949, Treaty. Another fact that the Minister has not shared is that when you sign this …
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, Madam Chairman. I think the Honourable Member is misleading the House here. No decision has been taken to sign any treaty at this point. We appreciate his com-ments, but I can assure him that those options and permutations are being looked at both in Chambers and I think through …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. And we are taking a broad look at this, by the way. I have given you a broad—
Mr. W. Lawr ence Scott Yes, I appreciate and I am bringing it back in. I have got . . . right now the next two things I am going to say are all questions.
The Chairman Chairman That deal with the heads.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott What is the cost . . . what would be the cost of signing the treaty to the Gover nment? That would be under administration. How much revenue will TCD lose from no longer collecting licensing fees for people who are able to drive cars without a lic ence? What …
The Chairman Chairman And while you are about to move to Head 35, I will just point out, because I have had the question, this debate does not finish until 9:26. I have had other individuals ask me the question so I thought I would make that announcement.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Oh, wow. This is the — [Inaudible interjections] The Chairman: No Member, I should not be hearing your voice. But please, you are going to proceed?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, I am going to proceed with TDC, page B -203, and I will probably end up going over to page B -204 and I want to talk about . . . I am going to . . . I guess I am going to start off with 45000 then …
The Chairman Chairman Well, if you can guide us as you talk about them that would be perfect.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, I tend to —
The Chairman Chairman I will keep you —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, keep me on track. You are doing a good job of that. So, as we tal k about competition, first the Government seemingly had the buses in competition against the taxis and minibuses by doing sightseeing tours. And the minibuses would be under 45000, Aux-iliary Bus Services, page B …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. And page B -204 refers to employee numbers.
The Chairman Chairman I decided to break that —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you for pointing that out. Hmm, I did not catch that. I will say page B -202, 45000— The Chairm an: Auxiliary Bus Services?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Minibuses. I am talking about minibuses —
The Chairman Chairman Under . . . you said 45000, correct?
The Chairman Chairman And that is Auxiliary Bus Services —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Which I feel that minibuses would be considered as auxiliary bus service.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Madam Chairman, with your help, I can clarify that.
The Chairman Chairman You, please, if you would help me.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The Auxiliary Services has nothing to do with minibuses.
The Chairman Chairman It’s the pink buses? Bermuda House of Assembly The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Yes, it is basically a provision for additional overtime and other things when special routes have to be done and things of that sort, as I understand it. So it is nothing to do with minibuses.
The Chairman Chairman Ah, thank you very much. Member?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott No, I am just conferring with my team real quick.
The Chairman Chairman Take your time. You have the floor, so take your time.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, what I want to do is actually . . . Ah -ha, I have got it. Thank you. I would put it under . . . because what I am going to do is talk about inventory management, which is 45115 on page B -202. Is that okay?
The Chairman Chairman Inventory management? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. Well yes, I can talk about spare parts because the spare parts go onto the buses and the buses are . . . I will be guided by you, Madam Chairman. The thing is that the buses were competing against the taxis and the minibuses by doing sightsee-ing tours, …
The Chairman Chairman So we see the funds allocated to that, and that is under the 5302 under repair services, so we see the funds on that line and we see that it has increased, page B -202. I am just putting you where you are talking about.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, yes, thank you. And I am glad you did that because I am standing down I am going to stick two . . . I will give you a little heads up, a little trailer. I am going to switch to page B -205 and I am going to …
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So . . . and I am going to be guided by you with what I am about to say. All right? I wanted to quote . . . the Premier has said before that the Minister is not responsible for the maintenance of buses, right? But then went on …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we are talking about the budget and how money is being spent, or how we propose to spend the money.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. And this is where I am going to that page, B -205, where it goes to . . . I am talking about the seven years, right? I am getting there. I am focused— [Inaudible in terjection]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes. So, therefore, it has reached my Shadow Mi nistry that the current Minister said not to focus on the maintenance of buses as they were going to have new ones for America’s Cup, right? Now, how does that happen? That does not happen by just saying, You know what? …
The Chairman Chairman Take your time. [Crosstalk ]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I just wanted to know, b ecause I know one of my colleagues wants to jump up right now and talk, if I am able to yield and then speak a little later.
The Chairman Chairman No, Member.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, no pro blem. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Oh, this is Committee. We are in Committee. So . . . I will take a break right now and let —
The Chairman Chairman So you will have your seat now, and the Chair recognises the Member from constituen-cy 29. And if you guide us with the head . . . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I will gladly do that, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I would like to start out on page …
The Chairman Chairman Do you want mine? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Actually, yours might work. The mission statement says: “To provide excellent service to our customers on a timely basis thereby ensuring both customer satisfaction and an efficient transport regulatory environment which co ntributes to the safety of Bermuda’s motoring public.” …
The Chairman Chairman Are we talking about Roadside Saf ety? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Roadside Safety?
The Chairman Chairman As part of the line item — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman —which is 44090, under the general summary of expenditure. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, [programme] 3401. Indeed! Okay? So you have the line item correct. So, what I am saying is, I would just like to lend some support to that because the statistics he gave about the …
The Chairman Chairman Member, the cost of medical would come under another head, so we would not know. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, okay. But if I was the Minister of Transport, I would know. That is all I am going to say. [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane …
The Chairman Chairman Member — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —who the —
The Chairman Chairman Member. Member! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —Ministers are. You know? I really do; I get confused. So, what I am saying, Madam Chairman, is that it is not only the cost of the accident when it happens. You have some long -term costs. Now, I will tell you …
The Chairman Chairman Member, Member, come on. Let’s just stick to— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. But I am just —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Good idea.
The Chairman Chairman Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, so . . . but, anyway, getting back on the serious side of things, I think the roadside sobriety testing should be something very high, not only on the Minister’s agenda, but the Go vernment’s agenda. So, I think that that should …
The Chairman Chairman But it is not on . . . if you take a look at the . . . it is not under this section. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, maybe, Madam Chairman, you might be a little lenient?
The Chairman Chairman No, maybe I wouldn’t. Because — [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silv a: Oh, you wouldn’t?
The Chairman Chairman —we are trying to stay . . . maybe we are just trying to focus on— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because there is so much money not being collected for the taxpayers of the country.
The Chairman Chairman Well, Member — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. Well, okay —
The Chairman Chairman —I am sure they would like the rev enues — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —we will move on. I fi gured you might stop me on that, but I had try it b ecause you know what . . . and I will tell you what. If I …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just keep moving— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But there a lot of people who do not.
The Chairman Chairman Just keep moving on. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And it is a lot of money. 1068 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Okay, I will flick o ver to Head 30, Marine and Ports, [programme] 3006, line item 40140.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, I got to Head 30. Sorry. Where were you? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I was on Head 30, Marine and Ports, line items 40140, and 40210. Tug Service and Tender Service. Well, you might recall, Madam Chairman, I brought this particular point up on the motion to …
The Chairman Chairman Not going to reflect, are you? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No. But, yo u know, this again would be proud of good debt. Look at the cost of a new boat. And if that ferry indeed, indeed is $2 million, let’s say it is $3 mil-lion, why the …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons That is why we are trying to get you a new airport. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And you know, the Honourable Minister, says that’s why he is trying to get us a new airport. Well, I do not feel like paying my paying . . . my problem …
The Chairman Chairman And I am sorry, we are going to go to the Budget Book. So can you tell me where the cost might be? Just help guide me. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, I am telling you. It is under Head 30, if you look under Head 30 —
The Chairman Chairman I am there. I am there. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. You are right there. And if you look under Administration, if you look under— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, no, no, no, no. No, you can try and spin that —
The Chairman Chairman I am listening to you, Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, you are with me. You know, Honourable Member, you should be quiet —
The Chairman Chairman Member, but you ar e not — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —you will get a turn to speak.
The Chairman Chairman —referring to me, so just help guide me. We are in the middle of a conversation here. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, okay. This is what we are talking about. We are talking about Pilotage, 40180. We are talking about 40100, Maritime Safety and Security. Maritime Safety and …
The Chairman Chairman That would be—
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The Honourable Member is misleading the House. Maritime Safety and Security has to do with safety of life at sea. He is tal king about interdiction which is Customs and Police, basically, in terms of screening containers. So it is an entirely different head and an entirely different Mini stry.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. I am glad he said “security of life at sea.” Because you would know, Madam Chairman, that just not too long ago, I think it was about last year or the year before, up there at the . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Non- Mariners. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Non- Mariners Race. There were some fellows up there with jet skis [who had] guns. That is on the water.
The Chairman Chairman But, Member, that does not fall under this budget. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : Okay. I am just saying it should be a concern of the Minister. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: It is? Oh, I am glad.
The Chairman Chairman Member, let’s stick to the budget. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, what are you going to do about the containers? [Gavel] 1070 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Member, let’s stick to the Budget D ebate. You are doing good; let’s just …
The Chairman Chairman Just stick to the budget. Hon. Z ane J. S. De Silva: Okay, I will stick to that. Head 35, let us move on a little bit, Madam Chairman. Head 35, page B- 202. We are going to look at line items 45090 and 45115, which is Repair Servicing and …
The Chairman Chairman And that would be under Inventory Management? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, you got it! You got it, Madam Chairman. You are pretty good at reading these books as quickly as you do. And especially be-cause you have been in that Chair for a very long time, so …
The Chairman Chairman And where are we on w hat? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We are on . . . hang on . . . we are on Traffic Control . . . is it T raffic Control? Wait a minute. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Administration . . . …
The Chairman Chairman That is my job. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —in me. You have to put some trust in me— The Chairman: That is my job. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, it is true. So what I am saying is, is that not only was that piece of …
The Chairman Chairman But Member, under that line . . . that is Administration — [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Right. Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, [page] B -198, yes, yes. Okay, all right. Let us leave it at page B- 198, okay. I have almost talked enough on it. What I would like to do is point out to the Minister , who has got …
The Chairman Chairman But that was in a budget that we are not talking about right now, Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Right, right . But all I would like to say is I would take my hat off to the staff who, again, do great work down at TCD. Every …
The Chairman Chairman Transport control. Hon. Zane J. S. De S ilva: Yes, transport control . No, no, no, no. I want to switch to something else. I want to switch to page B -186, Head 30, Marine and Ports, [programme] 3006 to 3007. Now, let me catch up with you since I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Vicki Abraham gave a very nice presentation. Yes, a very nice presentation. Now, one thing she talked on . . . and I am glad the Minister knows her and knows that, you know, I am sure he has heard her …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you realise this is not a general debate. But this is revenue anticipated— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, ma’am, this —
The Chairman Chairman No, I just wanted to — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Well, it is revenue . It is the budget . It is our people’s money . These are opportunities for our pe ople, and what we want to do …
The Chairman Chairman Well, why don’t we refer to that gentleman as the Honourable Member? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member . . . I am sure he loves that title. In fact, it will probably go down with him now, Mr. America. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De …
The Chairman Chairman You are quite welcome. Ar e there any other Members that would like to speak to the debate, the budget debate? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6, and I am sorry about the voice. It is ge tting a bit raspy. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Madam …
The Chairman Chairman That is correct. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —mentioned. I particularly want to look at Air Operations, [Head] 31—
The Chairman Chairman [Head] 31 you said? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, and [Head] 57, Civil Aviation , and a few others. Madam Chairman, it clearly shows from this budget that if you recall the Minister of Finance used to say that by Aecon building an air port it will not have an …
The Chairman Chairman B- 183. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Head 31.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Line? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Head 31, Airport Operations. Or we can refer to, to make it better for you, we can refer to—
The Chairman Chairman I see it, [Head] 31. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We can look, refer to [page] B-193 to make it clearer for you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The revenue summary. The Government will lose $18 million and that is one of the reasons we argue the impact will have — [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I am talking about the budget. Madam Chairman, something about Mr. America —
The Chairman Chairman I see the line. I see the line, Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Right. And they do not want to hear it because they said it would not have an impact. It clearly shows the $18 million of revenue that Government will not collect this year.
The Chairman Chairman And we will not reflect, but we are going to talk about the numbers. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am not reflecting, Madam Chairman. You see, am I reflecting?
The Chairman Chairman Not yet. I am just pointing out here, Member. 1074 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, no, I am not going to reflect.
The Chairman Chairman Perfect. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: All right. I am talking about $18 million . I am not reflecting. It is clearly right there. This is the one that is on that head. That is the h ead that the Honourable Member asked to debate. So we have lost $18 million …
The Chairman Chairman Now, Member, because we are tal king about [Head] 31, Airport Operation— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, there is $18 million on those, but there is another $20 million that came through passenger tax.
The Chairman Chairman But I do not see that $20 million — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I can—
The Chairman Chairman Member, I do not see that $20 million that you are referring to on that page. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I can refer you to it, Madam Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman That would be . . . I would be really grateful if you could do that. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I can refer you to it if you cannot see it.
The Chairman Chairman No, no. I need your direction. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: You look at A -4 . . . A- 4 because the other Members do not want to hear that part, A -4, page A -4, capital let ter “A”- 4, passenger tax, the $20 million that came through the …
The Chairman Chairman Ah, but that is not under — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know —
The Chairman Chairman Now, Member, you have been debating the budget for many , many years —far more than I ever have. So you know how the budget debate works. [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman No, I would not say that. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: They are not going to learn me up. They are not going to learn me up. I am clearly. . . but what they do not want to do is know the truth.
The Chairman Chairman Now, Member, Member have a seat for a second. Just for a quick second. I am not worried about what other Members are saying. I am more concerned about listening to what you have to say . And I would prefer that you stick to the h eads that we …
The Chairman Chairman I think they are all quiet. I think the whole household is quiet. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Because I am hearing—
The Chairman Chairman Member, please continue to speak to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, there is $18 million that just poof . . . poof , just goes on to Aecon. Poof, gone. Bermuda House of Assembly And more, which could have helped us out during our deficit and also our …
The Chairman Chairman That is under performance measures ? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yep. Let us look at, also, Madam Chairman, Civil Aviation. Now, we know that civil aviation went somewhere, and I do not know exactly what the rules are on that . . . what was legisl ation; but $17 million …
The Chairman Chairman And where? I am sorry —
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons If I can help the Honourable Member . Yes, when I went through the brief earlier I explained that $17 million was actuall y coming back to Government this year , essentially from the new quango. Okay?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognis es the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am glad to hear that. I am glad to hear that part because, Madam Chairman I was going to ask the Minister through yourself to [page] B -165 [sic], I saw that $17 …
The Chairman Chairman Headquarters. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Headquarters.
The Chairman Chairman B-185? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: You mean under Tourism and Transport Headquarters? Okay, you can see the $18 milli on . . . let me teach . . . let me learn the Minister up. You see the $18 million up top there, Minister? That is where the revenue has …
The Chairman Chairman B-185? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I do not know why it shows up under Headquarters, but this is a different story altogether. But that . . . I do not understand that part. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, it goes up to 48. If you look at the …
The Chairman Chairman It is Head 48 under revenue summary under 8108. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am sorry, where are you referring, Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman It is [cost centre] 8108, Civil Aviation Receipts on page B -185. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, yes, that is what I am saying. Yes, that is where it is going. I do not under-stand why it shows up in . . . maybe the Minister can explain later why …
The Chairman Chairman Let us not have two conversations going. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I understand that.
The Chairman Chairman Maybe you can answer that question. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But in the summary it shows under Head 48, that is what —
The Chairman Chairman What is causing the — 1076 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —what is causing the problem. Anyway, that is a different story. Let us look at also . . . we talked about the $18 million that disappeared from Airport Operation. …
The Chairman Chairman I should only hear one Member speaking. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, he said, yes, but he will not say yes for the other one. Interesting that he will not talk about the one that is missing. But, those are questions I want to ask the Minister. I guess truck …
The Chairman Chairman Let us get that right. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, I agree.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, talk to the Chair. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will see how you vote. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, what time do we finish? The Ch airman: Nine- thirty. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I have another hour and a half to speak, two hours. Geez, 7:30 . …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, I do not think he was close to tears at all, sir. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am a little more sent imental. Maybe I picked it up, Mr. Chairman.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Maybe you were close to tears. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I was close to tears. Not recognising a country that is supposed to have so much care so less —
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, speak to the Chair. Speak to the Chair, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But yet we give so much money to Aecon and the rest of the crowd. You know, sometimes we do not get our priorities right. That is the biggest problem that governments, in general, sometimes, …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Well, we will see. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: You will be sitting on this side. That is one sure thing; I can promise you that part. And my Honourable Member who is the Minister of Finance is going to have to— [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Minister for …
The Chairman Chairman That is okay. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, I am going to take my seat. But I hopefully these points that have been brought to the Minister’s attention, the Acting Minister, and through you, Mr. Chairman, to the Minister and through the . . . to the . . . …
The Chairman Chairman The Honourable Member from co nstituency 24, the Honourable Lawrence A. Scott, Shadow Minister of Transport. You have the floor.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman And good evening to you.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Good evening to you and you have my sympathies for missing the first part of my speech. So, since I have time, I will start from the beginning. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman That is fine, Honourable Member .
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott No problem. What I want to do, where I left off with was PTB [Public Transport ation], page 202, I actually want to go and talk about line item 45010, which is bus operations.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott With your indulgence, I just want to read excerpts from an e- mail that I got from a concerned citizen regarding bus operations. And it starts as, “Good evening. I have a granddaughter that attends Cedar Bridge Academy. My concern is that the buses that are scheduled to go to …
The Chairman Chairman Is this Head . . . which Head is this?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott No, this is still Head 35. This is bus operations which can be found on page 202, under line item 45010. What I want to do is just for those that are not familiar with the contractual dispute, it talks about . . . and I am referring to the …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. Well, that would be my question. Okay, my question would be . . . I am getting nods that those are the same ones. New buses “‘and concluded the dispute regarding payment for buses already delivered. However, disputes continued regarding supply, delivery, and payment for the new buses ordered. …
The Chairman Chairman No, I remember that, actually. I do.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott See, that is the mark of a good storyteller. When people remember what you actually said. You know, I would not say . . . you know, because there is a lot of stuff that my dad has told me that I cannot remember. But that is a different story …
The Chairman Chairman Are we still on [page] B -205?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott No, we are actually going to switch to —
The Chairman Chairman I would like to stay with you.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, no problem. We are actually going to switch to page B- 198 and we are going to go back to administration, 44210.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And I am going to be ending shortly after this and maybe one or two other points. But I want to go back to . . . and what I was talking about before was the Geneva Convention which was signed and ratified September 19, 1949. I do that in …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And I would put that under the Department of Airport Operations, let me get some time . . . and I would put it under airside operations, which is page B -191, 41160, because planes come in on the airside of the airport and whatnot. The Chairman: Page B -19 …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Page B -191, B -191. And the thing is that when we talk about revenue guarantees . . . and let us just be clear . . . and I have to be honest and as transparent as possible. Revenue guarantees are part of doing business in the aviation community. …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, I was say ing instead of . . . yes, instead of giving the revenue guarantees we would have actually . . . we would actually —
The Chairman Chairman Shorter [sic] months you were talking about.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Beg your pardon?
The Chairman Chairman Shorter [sic] months you were talking about in regard to guarantees . . .
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Shoulder months, yes, yes. Shoulder months . . . but I was transitioning. Man. You know, yes . . . it is gone, it is gone. But, you know what, that is the problem with being a genius, sometimes you got so much going on in your head— [Laughter]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott At least that is what my dad says when he forgets stuff, so I am using it.
The Chairman Chairman Beautiful mind. [Laughter]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott But I will just go through . . . I did do revenue guarantees. I did that. But what I will do . . . you know what? Being as that we are in Com-mittee, if I do remember, I will get back up. But I will take my seat …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Honourable Member wish to contribute to this debate? I recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 21. The Honourable Rolfe Commissiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just happy that the Shadow Minister —
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to turn your microphone on?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —dealing with public transportation, Head 35, went into a forward- looking orientation by decrying somewhat the fact that we still do not have commitment from this Government on our hard targets that will see the present bus fleet, po wered by diesel fuel, being replaced by vehicles that are powered …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Member wish to contribute? I see the Honourable Lawrence Scott, Shadow Minister of Transport, constituency 24. You have the floor, sir.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you. I remember what I was going to talk about! [Laughter] 1084 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: I was actually going to say . . . and I was transitioning over to the fact that with the airport —
The Chairman Chairman Head?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Oh, I am still on the same head —
The Chairman Chairman What is that?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The Department of Airport Operations looking at airside operations, I could look at . . . yes, airside operations, which is 41160.
The Chairman Chairman B-1 . . .
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, [page] B -191. I am actually looking to see if that is the best one to come under because I think it might . . . I am talking about employment, so it might come under salaries, wages, other personnel, something along those lines, but it is under the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does anybody else want to contribute? I recognise the Honour able Member from constituency 35. The Honourable D. P. Lister, Shadow Minister of Public Works. You have the floor, sir. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have been a little reluctant to get …
The Chairman Chairman I thought you were a little quiet. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: I am going to test it. I have to save it for next week for my debate, but I will take a little shot at it this evening. Much of the comment has been around the funding for the …
The Chairman Chairman This is Head 35, I presume? Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Yes, it is h ead, head . . . see I got right up— The Chairman: That is okay Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Head 35.
The Chairman Chairman I am following you. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: I am going to go actually to page B -203. I think someone earlier made reference to the fact that we see an increase in the funding for repairs and maintenance. And it actually looks like an increase of $100,000- plus when …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member . Does any other one wish to contribute? I see the Honourable Neville Tyrrell from constituency 26. You have the floor, sir.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to add to the list of questions that the Honourable Minister will probably have to respond to because I do not think my Honourable Shadow could cover everything in his brief ha ving forgotten some of it, anyway. But …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I will start again. Head 35, page B -203, revenue source 8679, and if I am antic ipating the response that he is going to probably give me, I am then querying as to why 8681 and 8683 are probably low as well. So I just wanted some explan ation …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Member wish to contribute? I recognise the Honourable Lawrence Scott, Shadow Minister of Transport, constituency 24. You have the floor.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you. I just realised that I did not give Marine and Ports any love in my brief. So, I do want to at least ask one question on Marine and Ports, Head 30, page B -186 under line item [40150] or 40220, which I will defer to you which …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Is there any other Honourable Member that wishes to contribute? I notice the Honourable Member Lovitta Foggo from constituency 3, Opposition Whip, Shadow Minister of Education. You have the floor.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to weigh in briefly. I am looking at [page] C-18,under grants and contributions for Marine and Ports, item 6954, I guess it means I nternational Associated Lighthouse Keepers. I have to query whether or not the amount allocated, which I think is $19,000, …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Chairman, if I may, just a point of order.
The Chairman Chairman And your point of order is?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, the lighthouse comes under Public Works. It is not in this Ministry at all. Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo: Mr. Chairman, the lighthouse is still an item under Marine and Ports which falls under the Ministry of Transport and it says grants —
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, Honourable Member , if I may —
The Chairman Chairman Please take your seat.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I can help the Ho nourable Member out I think. You can get up again.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons What she is referring to here is the Lighthouse Keepers Association. That has nothing to do . . . that is an International Association where Bermuda has a membership. So, that is what that is about. The actual maintenance and the issue she is talking to with respect to upkeep …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Minister. But I still have to point this out that when it comes to the opening of that particular facility it falls under the Ministry of Transport, as I understand it. And I have always had to deal with it under the Head of Transport. So I still …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Honour able Member wish to speak to this? I call on the Minister, Dr. E. G. Gibbons, the Minister of Economic Development, constituency 22. You have the floor and you have numerous answers to give to the questions.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, first of all I would like to thank the Opposition for scheduling five hours for what probably could have been a three- hour debate, but be that as it may, I think they have all had something to say, and then some Members have …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I am going to try and w ork my way through some of the questions. I am sure, since we have still got at least another hour, so if I forget something I am sure they will be back to har-ass me about it. But let me try and work …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member from constituency 6, what is your clarification you are looking for? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I heard the Minister say that it is not in the budget and that they will have to consider it when it comes up as a supplementary . But I would have thought …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Honourable Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I think what I was trying t o explain was, it was in the budget last year , okay, in the Department of Airport Operations. In the transfer and shifting around it will be moved . . . any minimum revenue guarantee will be moved into the Ministry Headquarters because …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No, because there was no minimum revenue guarantee that was signed until about a month ago on that particular . . . okay ? So it is an issue of timing more than anything else. But I think the issue that the Honourable Member raised is why was it not …
The Chairman Chairman Carry on.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons —that I have got. Okay? Let me move on to a couple of issues relating to . . . the Geneva Convention seems to have figured fairly prominently tonight. The Honourable Member was raising the issue that , hypothetically, if the Gen eva Convention is an approach that is taken …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of clarification if the Minister would yield.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, I am happy to, go ahead. We have plenty of time left.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Just for clarification. What I wanted to use, the example I would use is right now my car is outside in the parking lot. So, it is not on the road. But let us just say that this did go through, I could have one of my friends who is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Honourable Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons You know, what is interesting about this, there was a programme that was put in back in 2004 or 2005. It actually gets r eferred to as a provisional licence. It was, I think the TCD was calling this a fast -track programme. And I think it was the former …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yay! [Laughter]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Okay, that is the most excitement we have heard tonight, I think. I would also like to say, and Honourable Members will be aware of this because we have done some statements in the House on this, that as we are looking for liquefied natural gas as a fuel —and …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Okay? One of the reasons for bringing in liquefied natural gas apart from generation of electricity is also because it gets used for fleet use as well. It is very clean burning and, like LPG, it is certainly an alternative that would cut down on some of the asthma, the …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Sorry? I missed that.
The Chairman Chairman Carry on, Minister.
The Chairman Chairman Carry on, Minister. You are on a good wicket here.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Good. I am glad you are with me, Mr. Chairman. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Can I have a point of clarif ication from the Minister?
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member from constituency 6. The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Yes, why not.
The Chairman Chairman Minister, if you could take a seat, take a breather. Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Minister, you mentioned about bringing 20 new drivers, right?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Then something is not making sense then because if you look at the budgeted amount last year compared to the actual, this is page B-203, you go from $11 million, revised to $12.6 [mi llion]. Okay? So, when does this new staff come in? It …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons It is going to come in this year. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Right, so we are over $1.3 million in salaries expenditure this year, so we under - budgeted last year and so, once again, I am sayi ng and therefore if that is the case, then we are under …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I know where the Honourable Member is going. The challenge we have here is that there are unfilled positions which are often budgeted for. And I am not sure what the ratio of un-filled to positions is, but they are often budgeted. So, you have money that is actually budgeted …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No, this is the issue . . . I think this is the broader issue of money which is coming in to the Department of Airport Operations as revenue and then going over to Skyport (or as they would like to call it, Aecon). I think what is important to …
The Chairman Chairman Twenty -nine.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you. The Honourable Member from [constituency] 29 asked me about charter boats. This is a little off -topic because this is America’s Cup. He asked me whether the charter boat operators had been spoken with, and the a nswer to that is yes. There have been a couple of …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No. I think the maintenance fee required to actually have that going. Okay, there has been a lot of discussion about buses being out of service and I guess I have a couple of points to make here. I am told that the i ndustry standard is that 20 per …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. I recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. La wrence Scott, the Shadow Minister of Transport from constituency 24. Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: The Honourable Minister did a very good job of answering most of the questions that I asked and there is just . . . . …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The answer t o the first question, was there anybody on the bus? I am informed that there was somebody on the bus, but I do not think there were any injuries or anything of that sort. But as I said, the drive shaft broke which is obvi-ously a major …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Honourable Member .
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Just if the Minister, with the fixed penalties and road safety, would he, when he does get the answer, could he just bring it back to the House? Is that possible?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I can do that. I suspect that the substantive Minister would probably want to have a crack at that as well. As you know, I am . . . that is above my pay grade on some of this stuff, so . . . but I understand the Honourable Member …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Is there any other Member that wishes to ask the Minister any questions? This concludes the debate. Minister?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move Heads 48 (just the transport part); 30 Marine and Ports; 31 Airport Operations; 34 Transport Control Department; 35 Public Transport ation; 57 Civil Aviation; and 73 Maritime Administration. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. 1094 10 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly It has been moved that Heads 48, 31, 34, 35, 57, 30, 73 to be approved. Is there any objection to this motion? No objection. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Tourism Development and Transport, Heads 48, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move that the Commi ttee rise and report progress with leave to meet again on Monday.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member s. The Committee has made progress and we move now to the rest of the Orders. I am told that all Orders are carried over. Honourable Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good evening, Mr. Speaker . I move that we adjourn to Monday.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, I think you are too late!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
The Speaker The Speaker Too late, Honourable Member.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you very much.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, you are too late!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Good night! [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker The Whip, of all people. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, who should know better ! Yes. Have a pleasant weekend everyone. [At 9:16 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 13 March 2017.]
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