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March 8, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 8, 2017
Session 2016/2017
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217 speeches from 19 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Just before we start, I would like to welcome to the House the Primary 3 class from Elliot Primary, and their teachers. We welcome them. [Desk t humping] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES MARCH 3 and 6 2017 The Speake r: The Minutes of the 3rd and 6th of March have been …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honour able E. T. Richards. FIRST READINGS FINANCIAL SERVICES TAX ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Do you have a second? COMPANIES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I also have another one. I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: …
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Minister for Economic Development. Dr. E. G. Gibbons, you have the floor.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant G ibbons Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AMENDMENT ACT 2017
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: Electronic Communications Amendment Act 2017. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much. The Clerk: All these Bills are with the Governor’s recommendation, per section 36(3) of the Bermuda Co nstitution, as recommended by the Governor. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, we are resuming in the Committee of Supply. So , I recognise the Honourable Minister of Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that we resume in the Committee of Supply for the further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. Are there a ny objections to that? There are none. So I will ask that . . . t ake your time, Honourable Member. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Slow down. I know you are excited, very exci ted, eager, eager beaver! Yes. Wow! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will ask that the Honourable Member Commissiong take the Chair, the Mem ber from constituency 21. House in Committee at 10:0 8 am [Mr. Rolfe Commissiong, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2017/18 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the y ear Bermuda House of A ssembly [2017/18] . This morning we will consider the Ministry of Education. Those respective heads are 16, 17, and 41. At this time, …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Minister. Can we j ust take a second here, sir? Members, can we just get the voices down, or eliminated? Because it is interfering with the ability of all of the Members to hear what the Minister has to say, what he is presenting. It is very important. …
The Chairman Chairman Members, if you could please keep your voices down so the Minister can present to the House. Please. Is it a little too loud over there, Mem-bers? Thank you. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Mr. Chairman, on page B - 116, t he last line item of $1,737,000—again, $1,737,000— has …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Okay. So, Members, we will then break for lunch and we will resume at 2:00 pm in Committee of Supply. Proceedings suspended 12:30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:00 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR 2017/18 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon. We are going to r esume the debate on Education. We were discussing the Heads 16, 17 and 41. The Minister of Education, Hon. N. H. Cole Simons, still has the floor. Minister, you can continue. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister, for your prese ntation. The Minister just completed his presentation on the Ministry of Education. Would any other Member like to speak to it? I recognise the Shadow Minister, the Oppos ition Whip, Ms. Foggo, from constituency 3. You have the floor, and there are just over …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay, thank you, Mr. Chai rman, that is good to know. And I want to thank my honourable colleague who just took his seat for a detailed Budget presentation even though I will acknowledge up front that I thought that some items that should have been addressed were not. But …
The Chairman Chairman Just for us keeping track; remember to refer to line items.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I am still on the overall head which speaks to the budgeting which will cover the implementation of these programmes, Mr. Chairman. I am asking again, what measures will be in place to assess the success of this new parental board? I am 100 per cent in favour of as …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Minister. New teachers, yes. I think I have given the heading that was there, I may have deviated from what the Minister said that the figure represents, but I have to . . . I will ask my question this way: When I look at the school i …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Just a reminder that this Head concludes at 4:37. The Chair recognises the Member from consti tuency 30. You have the floor.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am going to look at Head 17 and start with line 1701, Central Administration, and the overall budget of $5,777,000.
The Chairman Chairman What page are you on?
Ms. Leah K. Scott Oh, I am sorry. I am on page B119.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Madam Chairman, I think that all of us believe that our goal is educational excellence, and we achieve that with the collaboration of parents, teachers, children, and the Ministry of Education. One of the things that we are looking at in terms of improving our schools is our educational standards …
Ms. Leah K. Scott I would like to give him my co ngratulations. And I believe that he will provide stability to the Ministry which has been lacking for a long time. I think it will eliminate a lot of uncertainty and we can go forward with the security that we have somebody in …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members who would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 13. You have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Madam Chairman, as one of three Members of the Legislature who actually has a child in the public school system, my interest in this topic lies not only beyond the debate that goes back and forth in this House, but I have a personal vested …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 27.
Mr. R. Wayne Scot t Thank you, Madam Chairman. Bermuda House of A ssembly As the Minister is not in the Chamber, I thought I would use this opportunity to just comment on a couple of things. I know he is coming back. First of all, I want to give my congratulations to the new …
Mr. R. Wayne Scott So I think what we will see is a continuation of the work that is being done and, con-trary to some of the comments made by the Member who just sat down, we have not been, or the Ministry has not been without effective leadership. And I want that to …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, what is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain The Member is misleading the House. I will have him know the first person I r eported that to was the Minister of Education at that time. And it did not reach the newspa per until he did nothing about it.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 27.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. Clearly, that Member has a guilty conscience, but I digress. I want to actually make it very clear, as I pointed out before that the Member mentioned the maintenance for the schools and how we are not maintaining them adequately. Let me say for the record …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order is . . . POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Madam Chairman, once again the Member is misleading, the former Minister is misleading the House. I spoke about the further ed ucation awards. They are quite separate from the scholarship. The further education awards did drop, if you want to look in the Budget Book. They dropped from 760 to …
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Madam Chairman, I think this is actually a very good segue because comments like that are pur posely misleading. The overall number that we spent on—
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order —
Mr. R. Wayne Scott It is not a point of order.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order. Point of order.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott It is not a point of order.
The Chairman Chairman The point of order — POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain He is imputing improper m otive!
The Chairman Chairman Wait a minute. Member, I will recognise a point of order. Have a seat please.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain The Member is misleading the House by imputing improper motive. He needs to withdraw that. The budget for further education awards dropped to $40,000. That is a fact. And he cannot deny that.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Member f rom co nstituency 27.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Again, maybe there is a guilty conscience somewhere around here.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order !
The Chairman Chairman Member, what we are going to do—
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Imputing improper motive. The Ch airman: Member, what we are going to do is find it in . . . if you can find it in the Budget Book , that will solve everything.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I will find it.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Madam Chairman, what I have said—
The Chairman Chairman Agreed.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott —is that the overall scholarship under my tenure as the Minister has never been be-low $1.7 million. What was done was that we have moved monies around. I made a point as the Minister to make sure that we gave scholarships to our chi ldren who w ere in need, …
Mr. R. Wayne Scott So, although there have been different sections of scholarships that have gone up and down, overall, the amount of funds that we pr ovide for our scholarships as a whole has actually grown over the last couple of years. To suggest ot herwise is overall a bit misleading. So, again, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Junior Minister. You have six minutes.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Six minutes. Okay. I am reading somebody else’s handwriting, so bear with me. What is Government doing for alignment between Workforce Development and Bermuda Co llege? Bermuda College . . . who wrote this? Sorry . . .
The Chairman Chairman Member, I did just say that the time that this Head finishes is at 4:37. Thank you. Bermuda House of A ssembly The Chair recognises the Junior Minister.
Ms. Leah K. Scott Okay. Bermuda College serves on the National Training Board and the National Training Board also serves on the Bermuda College Board. So I guess that is reciprocity there. Workforce Development pr ovides funding for nursing, teacher certifications , and accounting, and funding for some technical training as well. The next …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members who have further questions? The Chair recognises the Member, the Opposition Whip , and you know how many more minutes you have. I am not going to take any more time.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. The question that I have for the Minister, the question that I still have for the Minister and if the Junior Minister can answer, is based on whether or not some shifting will change in providing funding at the school level , where minor repairs …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Junior Minister. Oh, if you do not want to answer that, fine. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: How much time do we have. I need to ask —
The Chairman Chairman You have two minutes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you. That will give me enough time to say what I have to say. The Ch airman: The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Chairman, it is unfortunate that the Minister, who should be leading …
The Chairman Chairman Your question please . . . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is my question.
The Chairman Chairman I am sorry. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We pay him $170,000—
The Chairman Chairman Member, we are debating the budget before us — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It is in the budget. I am speaking about —
The Chairman Chairman Which line item would you like to ask a question on? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am speaking about the Ministry. We pay the Minister $170,000, and the Mi nister should be in this House.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any Member who would like to ask a question on the budget? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. I do have a question. Why is the Minister not here? That is a question. And it has to do with a line item, all of the line items that we …
The Chairman Chairman Member, the time is up. It is now 4:37. Thank you very much. 950 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Hous e of Assembly We conclude the debate on Education, and they were Heads 16, 17, and 41. I call on the Junior Minister.
Ms. Le ah K. Scott Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 16, 17, and 41 be approved. [Inaudibl e interjections] The Ch airman: It has been moved that Heads 16 —I cannot hear you, there is so much noise in the room. So, they were Heads 16, 17, and 41 be approved. Any objections to …
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? Please proceed. Hon. Patricia J. Gor don-Pamplin: And Department of Workforce Development.
The Chairman Chairman And that can be found on . . . Hon. P atricia J . Gordon -Pamplin: This c an be found on pages B -324 through B -329, an d pages C -15 and C-20 in the Estimates of R evenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That is B -324. HEAD 60—D EPARTMENT OF WORKF ORCE DEVELOPMENT Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Madam Chai rman, it gives me great pleasure to present Budget Head 60, the Department of Workforce Development, found on Pages B -324 to B -329 of …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister if you would sit. Yes, I recognise— POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva : I know the Minister is rea ding from her brief. But what she just said is incorrect. Programme 6002 has three cost centres, not two.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, very much. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pampl in: Thank you. Programme 6002 consists of two active c ost centres, found on page B -325: 70010, which is Labour Relations Administration; and 70011, Labour Relations. You will note in the Budget Book, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. The Chair opens the floor to the Member from constituency, the Shadow [Minister] actually, 13. You have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Madam Chai rman. And thank you, Minister for a very thorough brief. I do not think any of us can stand here and not see some of the many programmes that come out of this department, and see that we are trying. I know sometimes you may hear …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Lady. We may have our differences on how that project came about. But anything that can lead to a more trained workforce is something that we can all applaud. Ironically , two of the people in the programme, Ms. Allanette Hayward and Ricardo Graham -Ward, are people that I do …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I am sorry, page B -328. Thank you for the correction. Page B -328 for this cost centre shows the number of people and money given remains the same as previous years. So, we are saying we are only go-ing to train “X” amount of people and we are just …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I know this department works hard, and I know they are good at what they do. And I implore the One Bermuda Alliance to just give them the funding so they can get it done. This is an important department. This is a department that is the lifeblood of our …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Okay. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain And I am sure . . . I was thinking that was probably the answer as well. So the positions were funded but they just did not have an yone in place. Again, all of this happens with adequate funding. I talked about how funding has been decreased here. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency . . . 28? [Ms. Susan E. Jackson, Chairman]
Mr. Jeff Sousa Yes. Good afternoon. Madam Chairman. I certainly look forward to adding to this debate today on the Workforce Development. And, of course, I want to particularly address Head 60, which is on page B -325, [programme] 6004, Training. First, I would like t o acknowledge the Director of Workforce Development, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Is there anyone else that would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency . . .
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Twenty -one.
The Chairman Chairman Twenty -one. Thank you.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Certainly it has been a very calm debate, thus far on our discussions of various heads, or the one head as it relates to Workforce Development. I always find it somewhat odd because we know that it is such a critically important, strategic department, but …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I would like to see the pr ivate sector have a bigger skin in the game when it comes to apprenticeships and training. From where I sit, I think we have seen a trend, again, over the last quarter century or more, where there has been greater responsibility put on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Would anyone else like to speak to the Head? The Chair recognises Mr. Tyrrell, constituency 26.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you very much, Mad am Chairman. I will not take up too much time because I want to give the Minister enough time to answer the questions that my colleagues have. But there are few things, a couple of questions, that I do have as well. Firstly, let me …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Would anyone else like to speak to the Head? [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I do recognise that maybe one or two people may still have some other questions and I am quite happy to entertain those, but I think it might be useful to get …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 5. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Minister, the Government made it possible when they brought the Bill here for Pink Beach or the Loren hotel, for them to be able to hire 50 per …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Madam Chai rman. This is a quick question and then I will let my colleague . . . what time do you finish, by the way? [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Seven thirty -nine. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. Just a quick question.
The Chairman Chairman Seven thirty -eight. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. To follow -up with my colleague regarding the hotel that was just 50/50 or . . . How are you keeping them to that agreement as far as how we have been measuring them? Is there a time period where they go …
The Chairman Chairman The Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Minister, I just wanted to check with regard to your scholarships which are outlined on C -20, $793,000, I think you said in your brief that there were 23 students that were given …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Let me just say that we had 23, plus we had existing students. So we would have had the money . . . those 23 would have been new ones, but we also had existing students. Some students are on their second or third …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, we are finished. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman One minute. Okay, one minute. Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, quickly, Minister. You had talked about the total students being 73. So if the total students is 73, that is $10,800 per student. So, the $53,000 that you did not spend would have given …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. The Chair now calls on the Minister of F inance. The Clerk: No, no, she has to move the Head.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. Okay. Sorry. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Ma dam Chairman. I would like to move that Head 60 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Head 60 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Head 60, Department of Workforce Development, was approved and stands part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditur e for the year 2017/18.]
The Chairman Chairman Minister of Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move that the Committee rise and report progress and seek leave to meet again on Friday.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise and report progress and seek leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] 978 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Members. We have concluded the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2017/18 on Education, Heads 16, 17, and 41; Workforce Development, Head 60. You have r equested to rise and report which will be held on Fr iday, March the 10 th. Resuming with the Orders …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That being said, the motion to be moved by C. W. Brown, who is not in the House at the moment . . . that is Order No. 9. So that will be carried over as well. Thank you. The Chair recognises the Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. TAX COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE — ADJUDICATION AND STAMP DUTIES ON PRO PERTIES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Deputy Speaker, on Monday night I rose to my feet at …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker And your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I don’t know where that Honourable Member . . . I just want to make sure this . . . I don’t know where this Honourable Member is getting his information from. I never said that …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: You see, Madam Deputy Speaker, this is the issue that we have with the OBA. Because they make statements, they make stat ements about us all the time. And they deny it, which …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Would you like— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A Facebook page—I will table it.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I can table it. And if you want, I will read it. It says: “When discussing PLP MPS employment, “‘Derrick?!! (Burgess) “Living off the money he stole while in govt ! “C’mon on, man!!! “And they want to run the Government!!!? “Sylvan …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Point of order? Have a s eat— POINT OF ORDER Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: This gentleman is quoting something off of Facebook? I categorically deny even making that statement. This is Donald Trump -type politics. His is using alternative . . . not even facts. Alternative lies. I do …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. And we are aware that technology is — Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: You got to better than that, Honourable Member. Facebook? The Deputy Speaker: Thank you, Member. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Facebook?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I cannot have two people standing at the same time. Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Deputy Speaker, I have tabled it. It is there for everyone to see. And if the Honourable Minister wishes to deny it, let …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. 980 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Z ane J. S. De Silva: Well, Madam Deputy Speaker, I will let the person that he exchanged this with to explain that to the public when …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. This gentleman is out of order. He is completely out of order, Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member. Member. I was about to say this before the last point of order. We do have to be careful, even if we are (quote/unquote) “quot ing” of the language which we use in this House. So please be mindful of what you say. You said you have tabled the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any other Members? Are there no other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 6. Member, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: From what constituency, Madam Deputy Speaker?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Six. I think that is where you are; right? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. Sorry, I am just trying to search Facebook right now.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Take your time. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Madam Deputy Speaker, when I was younger —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member When was that? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will tell you in a few minutes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I wanted to be a mechanic. That is what I wanted to be. Everybody was a m echanic and did woodwork in those days.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A carpenter. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: When I got older, I wanted to be a teacher. I studied math and physics and became a qualified teacher. Many people are not aware of that. And then I wanted to be an accountant. And then I worked for [PricewaterhouseCoopers] and became a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What kind of doctorate did you want? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: — Gallery. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And I went there and talked to some of the kids, and said, Hey, what do you want to be when you grow up? And this young man said, I want to be …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Right. You’ve got that right. Bermuda House of A ssembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The difference is, we are going to be the next Government. He is going to be the next Premier. And he is going to be, probably, the next Minister of Finance, if he decides to keep …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Several times. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I wanted to be Premier, R emember.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons No. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, you did. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member was taken out. I was taken out. That is how it works on that side. All right? The Honourable Member, Mi-chael Dunkley, was just hanging on each shoulder for every one of us. [Inaudible …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I never said there was. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —connotation. It was neg ative the way you said it. I think it was wrong. So, all I am saying is that our young people who want to be something in this life, who want to make something out of their …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: — you sent the wrong message.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I do not think so, but anyway. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member does not want to apologise, saying that he does not think it was wrong for him to want to be a Premier. I can guarantee, the Honourable Grant Gibbons, that it is not about …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons We just did one. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That little . . . this little thing they cut down . . . [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, it was. It was very small. [There w ere] 37 rooms, or 38 rooms. He kept seven acres. And that was …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, do you want to speak to the Chair, please? Hon. Wayne L. Fu rbert: Actually, I . . . speak to the honourable colleague . . . I told him I was coming after him. My point is this. There will be no more ribbon cutting by those Honourable …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, you worked on it all right. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: See, the Honourable Member Grant Gibbons, is living in loco land sometimes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, be careful please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is not nothing . . . talking about —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I am just saying be careful. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Be careful of what though? [Inaudible interjection]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Good language.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Of decorum. Decorum. [Inaudi ble interjection s and crosstalk] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So far from my honourable colleague from Pembroke . . . Pembroke—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. That’s right. I am so far from that! Paget, sorry. Not Pembroke. (It had a “P” in there, it was right.) I just said, loco. If there is anything unparli amentary about saying loco, let me know. I will apol ogise.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member. — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: If you want to throw me out . . . . That is far from that —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I am not prepared to do that either, Member. Just keep going on a nice clean roll, please. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. But I am just disappointed. I expected more out of a senior Member who sits on the Government side, to say that “wannabe.” He could have made …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Please do. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am going to sit down. My point is that . . . I think I made my point. If I need to come back next week, back on Friday to make anot her point, I will. Thank you.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency . . . 7? Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes, 7. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Madam Deputy Speaker, I was not going to get to my feet tonight, because I am here looking through my Budget brief. I have …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker No, what is your point of order first, please? Hon. Za ne J. S. De Silva: My point of order is that he just said it is a bold- faced lie. I tabled a document —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is not a point of order. I think — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I tabled a document —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, you have a doc ument— Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: From his Facebook page!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member! I am speaking. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, go ahead.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Would you like to take a seat while I am speaking? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sure will. The D eputy Speaker: Thank you. A fine document was presented by the Clerk of the House to every Member that sits in this building, and as a result it gave …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Then please follow them. Thank you. Your point of order is? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Madam Deputy, with your obliging, I think the Honourable Member is mi sleading the House. He said it was a bold- faced lie. I tabled information that I received from one of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I brought it to this House for him to make that accusation against my colleague who sits here to my right.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Sadly, Member, we cannot always determine when things are printed on things like Facebook as to who actually wrote them. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Oh, yes you can! [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Sorry, the Chair recognises the Minister from constituency 7. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. If I wanted to stoop that low, Madam Deputy Spea ker, I could go home right now . . . I can go to my office, I could print something off …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member needs to withdraw that. He said that I fabricated that document. He needs to withdraw that.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You have laid a document on the Table. Let me remind you what, let me remind y ou what the Order is: “Point of order should usually cite some particular violation of debate rules of parliamen984 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly tary procedure, such as …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, I should only hear one voice. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Need I say any more, Madam Deputy Speaker? It is a shame what our pol itics ha ve come to. It is a shame, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I do not believe in besmirching anyone’s reputation or their …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member is misleading this House. How did I belittle the project? How did I belittle it? [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member —— Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Madam Deputy Speaker — [Gavel]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 7. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: That Honourable Member belittled that project, said it was a sm all little Bermuda House of A ssembly hotel and th is, that . . . Madam Deputy Speaker, I toured that hotel. I was there on …
Madam Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker the deputy speaker Member, please have a seat. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the O pposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: Although I know that the Minister has issues with the facts, the fact is that they termed themselves as a boutique hotel. By the very nature that means they are a small hotel, a boutique hotel. In case you …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 7. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. That Honourable Member must think I do not know what I am talking about. A boutique hotel is a hotel that caters to a very specific type of guest …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —subdued, Madam Deputy Speaker —
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Sorry, have a seat. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 13. POINT OF INFORMATION
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Just for the Member’s edif ication, I would like permission to read a description, a definition of boutique hotel —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Please —
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain from Webster’s . [Laughter]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Would you like me to read it?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It is your . . . you are standing on the floor. 986 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you. A boutique hotel is a small, stylish hotel — [Laughter and inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker It is a point of information.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain —typically one situated in a fashionable urban location.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister — Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Mi nister from constituency 7. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I appreciate that Honourable Member reading that out because he reinforced my point! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: It is stylish. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And little! …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And you will go high. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: They are going to go extra, extra low.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And you will go extra high. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Because they need to eat, Madam Deputy Speaker. They need to eat, Madam Deputy Speaker. Some starving people over on that side, Madam Deputy Speaker , are hungry. Star ving. And they need to eat, Madam Deputy Speaker, so …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members that would like to speak? The Chair recognises the Member from constituenc y number . . . close at hand . . .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker 24. Thank you. BUS FIRE IN WARWICK
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Good evening, Madam Deputy Speaker. With the Member that just took his seat saying that the Opposition PLP is starving, the one thing that we are starving for on this side today is information. And I am glad you asked the question of what information are we starving for, Madam …
Mr. W . Lawrence Scott And I hear the Honourable Member Gordon- Pamplin saying because the PLP did not maintain them while the PLP was in power. And, you know what? It is ironic that somebody on that side would say that because, one, I am of good information that part of the cause of …
Mr. W . Lawrence Scott And it does not make a di fference. And, yes, that is true. The Honourable Mem-ber did say that I should have been pepper sprayed. That does not make a difference to me. You know? That does not make a difference to me, because the real thing is that I …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott You know? And I hear the Premier saying Oh, come on man. And I hear the Government raising their voices because of the fact — The Deputy S peaker: I am no t quite certai n why e veryone needs to have a chorus, but we would like to hear …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I would like to hear the Member standing on his feet! And I do not want to be i gnored when I speak. Please proceed, Member.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker . And the thing that I am saying . . . and yes, I am saying that when you have three to four fires on public transportation in that number of years, there is 988 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The point of order is the Honourable Member is misleading the House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, please proceed. The Ho n. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: It was very clear in the statement that went out to all media yesterday that they were going to investigate the situation. There was a gentleman who was flying in—actually happened by chance —and was going to examine it, …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott A press statement is diffe rent from that of an official Ministerial Statement here in this House. The Hon . Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Point of order. The Deput y Speaker: Your point of order? POINT OFORDER [Misleading] The Ho n. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons: Who does the . . …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott My question is , Madam Deputy Speaker, is that press statement on Hansard as official political parliamentary record? No, it is not. So, were we, as Her Majesty’s Loyal Oppos ition, able to question the statement that was put out? No, we were not. Therefore, a press statement is no-where …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The statement yesterday— Bermuda House of A ssembly Therefor e . . . and what bothers me . . . and this happens every time. It is becoming a pet peeve, Madam Deputy Speaker, that the Government laughs when I bring up important situations. This is why I wonder whose …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Minister from constituency 2. INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I actually rise on a high note tonight to reco gnise International Women’s Day. And what a great day it was today, weather …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 21. You have the floor. TRUMP POLITICS
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker . I am happy to hear of the newly -minted Mini ster’s experience. Certainly, there is a heightened awareness in the corporate world of the need for di-versity. My one caveat, though, is that while they seem to be far happier and sanguine talking about …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I am sorry. I did not see you. I am sorry. Please proceed. Bermuda House of A ssembly [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Honourable Member — [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Please proceed. No, I have told the Premier to proceed. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member who just took his seat talked his way around in a circle. He talked about the economy floundering. And then he talked about some green shoots in the eco nomy. Well, let me …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Have a seat, please. Hon. E. David Burt: That —sorry —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Sorry, the point of order — Hon. E. David Burt: The point of order, Madam —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the O pposition Leader. POINT OF ORDER [Unparliamentary language] Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker . You made reference earlier to items which were handed out by the Clerk regarding unparliamentary language and I believe the word that the Premier loves to use …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I am sorry and I was not liste ning, so— Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, no problem, Madam Deputy Speaker . I would ask the Premier if he wants to say “prevarication” which is also known as “lie,” then, please tell us what particular statement he has made with …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Premier. [No audio] Hon. Michael H. D unkley: Madam Deputy Speak er, so the Honourable Member talks about economic m igration. Well, let me once again tell the Honourable Member that in the years 2008 to 2012 there were thousands of people who …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Have a seat, P remier. The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Hon. E. David Burt: I know the Premier has an issue with—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is? 992 8 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The fact is he is misleading the House. The Dep uty Speaker: Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: The Premier just got up here and said …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Grasping at straws, once again, Madam Deputy Speaker . Now, Madam Deputy Speaker, I find it incredulous that tonight — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —we w ould even have this debate . . . and I …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Premier, have a seat. The point of order is —first — POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Premier is mi sleadi ng the House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: Unless the Honourable Premier is unaware of his very own Ministerial Code of Conduct, Ministers are responsible for everything that happens inside their Government departments. And I will b e happy to read the Premier the Code of Conduct, of which he himself issued, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Wow, that is grasping at straws. That is grasping at straws. That is really grasping at straws. The Honourable Member wants to try to make believe that you are going to see some Government Member underneath the hood …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Members. The House stands adjourned until Friday, March the 10 th. [Gavel] [At 8:56 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 10 March 2017.]
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