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March 6, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 6, 2017
Session 2016/2017
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290 speeches from 18 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes for the 3rd of March 2017 are deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker There are no questions. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR T HE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
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The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
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The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance. Hon . E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House now r esume the Committee of Supply to consider the Est i846 6 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly mates of Revenue …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any objections to that? There are none. So I will ask that the Deputy Speaker please take the Chair [of Committee] . House in Committee at 10:05 am [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2017/18 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Financial Year 2017/18. The heads that we will be debating for the first two hours will be non- Ministry. I would like to point out at this time that …
The Chairman Chairman So the two Heads that we will be d oing this morning will be both the Ministry of . . . the non-Ministry , Heads 2 and 63. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. That is correct, Madam. So, Head 2, the Legislature. I am pleased to present on behalf of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Premier. Are there any Members who would like to speak to the two heads? That would be Head 2 and Head 63. And I ask , when you speak, that you identify which head you are discussi ng.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader, from constituency 18. You have the floor. I will also remind you that the debate finishes at six minutes past twelve. Hon. E. David Burt: Six minutes past twelve. Okay. No problem. Do you want me to talk until then?
The Chairman Chairman You can do whatever you choose to do, sir. NON- MINISTRY DEPARTMENTS HEAD 2 —LEGISLATURE Hon. E. David Burt: Madam Chairman, good morning, and I thank the honourable—I would say the Clerk to the Legislature and to the Parliamentary Registrar, who is here with us today, for preparing this brief …
The Chairman Chairman I said m ay not be able to. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. Thank you. But surely, the Premier will be able to answer the question as to where does his Government stand in regard to these recommendations which came from the SAGE Commission? Because at the same points in …
The Chairman Chairman And the reason you are asking this question is based on salaries, I believe, is what you said. Hon. E. David Burt: Salaries, and also on page B -10, because it says, “to strengthen oversight and build a People’s Parliament.” I am sure the Minister of Ec onomic Development does …
The Chairman Chairman Proceed. Hon. E. David Burt: No, he was not Talking.
The Chairman Chairman You have got my 100 per cent atte ntion. Hon. E. David Burt: I know I have got your undivided attention, and I know that you are not listening to the Minister of Economic Development, because I am quite certain that you are able to do your job, Madam [Chairman]. …
The Chairman Chairman Page C-4? 854 6 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Hous e of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Capital Acquisitions, C -8. Sorry, C-8. On Capital Acquisitions, I do note that there was a delay for computerised Hansard. Last year, we were supposed to spend $100,000, and no money was …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. Hon. E. David Burt: And that is dealing with the Parliamentary . . . [Inaudible interjection] HEAD 63 —PARLIAMENTARY REGISTRAR Hon. E . David Burt: Thank you very much. I sincerely hope that when we have the new paperless Parli ament that we provide headphones for all Members …
The Chairman Chairman Member, you are asking a lot of opi nions here rather than— Hon. E. David Burt: Oh!
The Chairman Chairman I am just pointing that out. Hon. E. David Burt: No problem.
The Chairman Chairman I am just pointing that out. Hon. E. David Burt: But just be clear, Madam Chai rman, the thing is that during this Budget Debate, of course, there are things that are the line items here, and then there are also questions of priorities of the Government. There are questions …
The Chairman Chairman But, Member, I understand that. But we are talking to the line item that is something that has already been spent. So I understand your initial question. But to determine what one’s policy might be on the thought of referendum is not really part of a Budget Debate. So I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Are there any other Members? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 3. And again, if you would just r emind us what head.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Madam Chairman. Let me just say up front, again, I, too, would like to congratulate both the Controller, who sits for the Legislature, as well a s the Parliamentary Registrar, for what I believe is an excellent job that they do in terms of trying to keep the …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. And I have to congratulate Madam Clerk, who does an absolutely fabulous job with the limited budget that she has. So, having said that, looking at the mission statement for Parliament, I have to say this—
The Chairman Chairman And that is Head 63.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, sorry —Head 2, for Legi slature. That is okay, Madam Chairman. And looking at the overall budget, first of all, let me just make this disclaimer. I did sit on a committee, Madam Chairman, which was empanelled to di scuss the separation of Parliament, which followed best practices throughout …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo For Other Personnel Costs.
The Chairman Chairman I see. Thank you.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. There is a slight reduction. Now, I am not sure what that is reflective of. But I guess I would like to know, in particular, what that actually is speaking to. And on top of that, I just wanted to say this. Members used to serve on committees and …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Well, that is what I am thinking, that it is not realistic. Okay. Well, I am told to rephrase that question and ask it like this: What was the budget spent on travel last year? And as a Parliamentarian, I think that it is of vital importance that I get …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I will yield.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am trying to follow the numbers on page B- 12, but it seems like the Honourable Member —
The Chairman Chairman It is B -11, Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Page B -11, yes. I am tr ying to follow the numbers in there. Could she repeat those again so I can get it down to answer the ques-tion?
The Chairman Chairman It is on the Travel line.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Thank you. Even in terms of our Youth Parliament . . .
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to assist the Premier by going back to the question?
Ms. Lovit ta F. Foggo Sure. Page B -10.
The Chairman Chairman Your original question was on Travel on B-11.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. And I finished with that.
The Chairman Chairman But I believe the Premier is looking for clarification on your question.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. I am sorry. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. What I was asking is whether or not the estimated budget for travel for this year is going to be sufficient for the Legislature to carry out the job that it needs to carry out? [Audio difficulties]
The Chairman Chairman Was that your —put it back on again for a second.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I did not turn it off. I did not touch it.
The Chairman Chairman Let us proceed while it is working. [Laughter]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Madam Chairm an. So, again, I think . . .
The Chairman Chairman Member, you were then moving back to Youth Parliament, I believe.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, thank you. Okay. Going back to it, I see that there is a budget for $14,000. I can say, Madam Chairman, that the Office of the Legislature has recently taken the role of Parliament and all that it involves out on the road, so to speak, by going to …
The Chairman Chairman Can you help me? Where are you, there?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo That is on B -10, line 12015, right at the bottom.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, yes.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. Again, once again, is that a realistic budget in terms of even the Office of the Opposition, getting out there and getting its message across to the public in terms of how it s erves in that capacity? So I wonder whether or not that, too, is a realistic …
The Chairman Chairman And that would be line item 12015?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, 12015. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo He did not tell me to ask for anything. That is my query.
The Chairman Chairman Member, you can just —
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I am sorry; I am supposed to be addressing you, the Chairman. Okay. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Madam Chairman, where I see Repair and Maintenance. We sit in these hallowed Chambers all the time, Madam Chairman. (And that is on B -11, Repair and Maintenance.) And we saw in 2015/16, it was an actual budget of $29,000. In 2016/17, it was $128,000, and I would venture that …
The Chairman Chairman Head—?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I need to take my glasses off.
The Chairman Chairman I understand. [Laughter]
The Chairman Chairman That is page B -20.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. And again, I would like to congratulate the Parliamentary Registrar and all who work under her. I think they are doing a stellar job. But I do want to question two things, especially the Alternative Voting Registration [sic]. I think that we all should be doing much in …
The Chairman Chairman Do you mean line 73017, Alternative Voting Research? [Cros stalk]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, 73017.
The Chairman Chairman You said “registration.” I just want to make sure we have the [Alternative Voting] Research.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. I told you I need to take off my glasses and pick those up. Because when I pu t these . . . these are for distance. They are not for close -up.
The Chairman Chairman You can borrow mine.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. So we have the right line.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, dear. So, I have to. . . 860 6 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Laughter]
Ms. Lov itta F. Foggo I see $320,000 has been put in place. And I would guess that this does have to do with (what do you call it?) absentee voting. However, I do have a concern about that, as I do, ideologically, believe that we should always be making every eff ort to promote …
The Chairman Chairman Educational.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo That is right. So, Madam Chairman, I have to say that in some of the things that were s hared, we want to ensure that the Parliamentary Registrar, too, has sufficient resources and the like. And one of the key areas that was pointed out was, especially when it comes …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Now, I did touch it that time. Thank you. [Laughter]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo So, Madam Chairman, thank you. To allow other Members to participate in this, I will take my seat. But if time permits, I will get up and speak again on this. Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you, Member. The next individual . . . are there …
The Chairman Chairman Six minutes past. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael J. Scott: Twelve, yes, right. No. Several Members want to speak. I note the use of “ stakeholder ” as the persons to whom the Parliamentary Registrar is going to be seeking to—
The Chairman Chairman So we are at Head 63; correct? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, Head 63, Madam Chai rman. So that there is media usage to reach stak eholders and there is a considerable increase in the budget, from $494,000. I would like to understand, as did the Leader, what amount is …
The Chairman Chairman I am really sorry to do this. But I did remind individuals. Can you just tell me what line you are on? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, I will be happy to do that.
The Chairman Chairman And I do not mean to be . . . but it is easier for me to follow. Hon. Michael J. Scott: We are on cost centre 7300 [sic], Administration.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much. Hon. Michael J. Scott: It is important, of course, and we are happy to see in our modern Bermuda, that we are making sure that there is access by the public to the process of a franchise. So I am asking how much of the $494,000 …
The Chairman Chairman I believe we are now on page B- 21— which is why it is really important to advise upfront. You are under B -21, Advertising and Promotion. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman And the only reason I know that is because we were able to identify that number. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman But please help us out. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Honourable Member said it was 7300. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Please do help us out before you start. Hon. Michael J. Scott: And I was very clear that we were there. I gave the figure. It cannot be doubted that I am on B -21, Administration.
The Chairman Chairman Member. Member. Member. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman If you would have a seat for a second. What you had initially said was that we were on B -20 and you were on 73000 [sic], Administration. That indeed was not the number you were referring to. We are now on B -21, under Advertising and Prom otion. It …
The Chairman Chairman Right. I believe you are talking to 73005. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Madam Chairman. So that, under that head now, the Boundaries Commission, I am going to go as quickly as I can. I declare that I am a Commissioner of the Boundaries Commission for the Opposition, along …
The Chairman Chairman And perhaps page B- 10? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, B- 10, so that the Hansard catches it. I want to commend our Parliamentary Clerk of the House, Mrs. Shernette Wolffe, and her staff, too. But Mrs. Wolffe, our Clerk, has been at the forefront. She has been engaged, energised, …
The Chairman Chairman Actually, those numbers are on page B-12. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes. It was as a consequence of all of the protests we have been having in our country; it was not an ything to do with . . . [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Michael J. Scott: So …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 25. And , if you would, be kind enough to tell us where you are, please.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill I am right here.
The Chairman Chairman Let me be more specific.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill I understand.
The Chairman Chairman As we deal with the Estimates.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill I am looking at page B- 20, the General Summary with regard to the Boundaries Commission.
The Chairman Chairman And that would be Parliamentary Registrar, Head 63, and line 73005.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill That is correct. Line 73005. Madam Chairman, let me just say this because I have heard some potential, I guess, criticism with regard to the process in relation to the Bounda-ries Commission. I was a member of that commission. And I have to say that I found the entire process …
The Chairman Chairman Member, we know that we are not talking about the process. We actually are talking about the finances allocated.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill No, I realise that. But obviously, I have to —
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I just wanted to make sure.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill I am just saying that how those were applied with regard to financing, there was enough that was expended in relation to it. My hon-ourable colleagues and I spent a number of days in one another’s company, including the Independent Members who came from other jurisdictions to sit on the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who would like to speak? There are none. The Chair recognises the Premier. And again, we reiterate that the portfolios, or the heads, that we are discussing today, Heads 63 and 2, do not fall under any particular Minister. Thank you, Premier. …
The Chairman Chairman You have 11 minutes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you. I will start off with Head 2.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The first paper I have in front of me, that is where I will start. The question was asked by an Honourable Member in regard to, if colleagues want to follow along, page B -11, the Subjective Analysis in connection with Travel. In 2015, …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Point of order, Madam Chairman. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I have only got two minutes left, so if they want answers they can wait till they are done.
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong The Member is misleading the House. He assumes because there has not been a report coming from a respective committee, that work has not been ongoing. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is not a point of order, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They are wasting their time for their answers which they wanted. Now, in regard to the PR [Parliamentary Registrar], let me try very quickly. (We have Members on that side who are very sensitive this morning, which is …
The Chairman Chairman Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman The time is up. It is now six minutes past. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Oh, I am sorry. I have more questions that I am happy to answer. I apprec iate that.
The Chairman Chairman Perhaps you can give that to them at another time. Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you. I move that Heads 2 and 63 be approved as written.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Head 2—and these are both non- Ministries —Heads 2 and 63 be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: H ead 2 , Legislature; and Head 63, Parliamentary Registrar, were approved and stand part of the Estimates …
The Chairman Chairman We will now move on to the next head. (And I am sorry for the feedback here; it sounds like a very windy day . . . Now it sounds a little better.) The next heads will be Community, Culture and Sport [sic], and it will be for a period …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Madam Chairman, I will begin our debate of the financial year 2017/18 Est imates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Ministry of Social Development and Sports by providing a brief overview of the Ministry as a whole. I note that the debate today will focus …
The Chairman Chairman Member, it is now 12:30. Are you at a suitable place where you would like to break for lunch? Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Then if there are no objections, we will break for lunch, and we will resume in Committee. And I will note at this time that this head will conclude at 7:37 this evening. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:30 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:00 pm [Mr. Rolfe Commissiong, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are back , resum ing in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for financial year2017/18. The Chair will recognise the Minister of Community, Culture and Sport , Nandi Davis [sic], who will resume consideration of the following Heads: 71, 20, 23, …
The Chairman Chairman And my apologies, Minister Nandi Outerbridge. You may take the floor now. MINISTRY OF COMMUNITY, CULTURE AND SPORTS HEAD 71 —MINISTRY OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT Business Unit 81020—Mirrors Programme [Continuation thereof] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Thank you. Mr. Chairman , I will now resume under Bus iness Unit 81020 the Mirrors Programme. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. [Desk thumping]
The Chairman Chairman Before we move on, before the Honourable Member takes to his feet, I need to have the specifics of the Heads, the title, the page number and line item as we have five Heads to go through. I just want to stay with you. Honourable Member, I am the Chairman …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Mr. Chairman, thank you. How much time do I have left?
The Chairman Chairman My eyesight is not the best, but I bet you have about 55 minutes up there —it finishes at 7:37.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Much more than prev ious Ministers have given me—not all the Ministers, but one in particular. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I get started I want to say that with six hours some other of my colleagues were hoping to contribute, but I will do what I can …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You have the same questions ev ery year . . .
Mr. Michael A. Weeks And if I have the same questions, it is obviously because I am consistent in my — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I will be consistent, Mr. Chairman, in seeking the answers and the truth for the people of this country. But what I have also noticed in these four years is that this OBA Government has had four Ministers. The Minister Wayne Scott, who we had some pretty good dialogue with; …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Well, maybe I did not get the answers. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Well, I did not get the answers. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Yes, yes. So as I move through the Heads, Mr. Chai rman, let us begin by looking at Heads on page B -236, Head 71, the Ministry of Social Development and Sports. I see that we have had an increase this year . . . a decrease this year of …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Honourable Member . I did not quite get what number that is . . . 267 or 23 —
Mr. Michael A. Weeks It is page 236.
The Chairman Chairman Page 236. Thank you.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Yes. That is where the Mini stry of Social Development and Sports starts — headquarters. 900 6 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks You got me? Okay, so I was saying, Mr. Chairman, obviously I had a discourse planned because I thought we were going to be going back and forth. So I am going to now cut through a lot of the chase and just ask some ques tions. Hopefully the Minister …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks What did I say?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member B- 36.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks On page B -236, Mr. Chai rman, Head 20, I see also . . . and some Honourable Member s would recall my use of certain words like “slash cut” and “decimate.” Over the last couple of years Youth and Sport have been slashed by $1.2 million in 2015/16 —a …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I hear you. Talk to the Chair. And Honourable Member s if you could —
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I am ask ing you, Mr. Chai rman—
The Chairman Chairman I am just asking them if they could keep quiet as you have asked. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Yes, look at them and tell them.
The Chairman Chairman I do not have to look at them. They know I am talking about them.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay, all right. So, Mr. Chairman, on a serious note, I am just going to go through some questions. On B -238, I see an increase in training, if the Minister will specifically explain what that consists of. Could the Minister state what professional services does? What does the d …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Or, Mr. Chairman, is this a nother example of a community programme being cut to help find the monies for the America’s Cu p.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Point of order.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, what is your point of order?
Mr. R. Wayne Scott I am just trying to follow what the Member . . . when he is talking about parish councils, which do not come under this Ministry, I am just curious as to where he is looking just so I can fol-low his process. That is a different Ministry.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks What I am going to do, Mr. Chairman, I have asked a few questions, I am going to let the Minister answer them. And when she anBermuda House of Assembly swers I will get back up on my feet to ask a few more questions. Just to keep this rolling. …
The Chairman Chairman Right.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I have asked about seve n questions, yes, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman You have.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Right. So now I am going to sit down —
The Chairman Chairman And you would like the answers.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks —and then I will get back up on my feet to continue.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Minister? Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: I think it would be better if the Shadow actually just went through all of his questions and I will answer at the end. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Okay, in no particular o rder, the [Member] asked . . . what was …
The Chairman Chairman The Honourable Michael Week s from constituency 16. You have the floor.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I was not clear on what the explanation was for the parish council. But I will move on to some other question. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks When were the parish cou ncils moved (would be my question)?
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member, what Head are we on and what line item? Mr. Michael A. Weeks: Oh, man. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I see that you are being prompted by the Deputy and these are time wasting issues, I think. No, I am on my feet. You …
Mrs. Suzan Roberts -Holshouser Point of clarific ation. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I do not yield!
Mrs. Suzan Roberts -Holshouser Fine. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Chairman, this is not hel pful because these are very disruptive. Now, the Chairman can help us with guiding it so that it gets into Hansard where we are. That is the only purpose of it. But it is getting to the point where …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mrs. Suzan Roberts -Holshouser Thank you, Mr. Chairman?
Mrs. Suzan Roberts -Holshouser For edification purposes, a point of order, what I was asking for was under what Head does the parish council come under for clarification, as we do not see that Head under the Heads of which we are discussing. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair .
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Michael A. Week s I was waiting on your direction, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member from constituency 16, you have the floor.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay, let us continue moving on. Let us look at page C -19. I will give you time to get there and make sure everybody is on the same page.
The Chairman Chairman I am here. Please proceed.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks All right. Line item 6882. Are we there?
The Chairman Chairman I am there.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay . What is this? I see where there is a volunteer youth organisation. My question is, What is this volunteer youth organisation? And what is the Minister’s criteria for the distribution of these funds for this youth organisation? Still on page C -19, Line item 6886— yes? 902 6 …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay. The Bermuda Swi mming Association, I see. Could the Minister answer why this sporting body appears on this line item when others are lumped under the contribution to sports development? Line item 6888, still on page C -19, Mr. Chair. As the official start of the America’s Cup approac …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member , I do not see 6888. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Hang on, hang on, hang on— hang on! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Hang on— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks [Line item] 6886.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, but you said 6888 . . . Honourable Member, I know time is running— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Let us move on, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, so we are going back to 6886?
The Chairman Chairman I do not have 6888.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks So let us get back to . . . I am back on B -250— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Michael A. Weeks B-250, cost centre 2001, line item 30045.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Where are they now?
The Chairman Chairman We are on B -250, and which . . . ?
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Cost centre 2001, line item 30045. You got me, Mr. Chai rman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I do. Right at the top.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I see a cut of $83,000 or 6 per cent, but when I look at Performance Measures on page B -242 . . . if the Minister would explain this anomaly. Cost centre 2004 line item 30080 I see a decrease of $34,000 or 6 per cent. I see an …
The Chairman Chairman No, no, you are doing a good job with me.
The Chairman Chairman Just give me the numbers and we will be fine.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay. I have a question for the Minister. Do the tennis courts up at Port Royal come under Youth & Sports, given tha t it is a public court?
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Would you like that answer now, Honourable Member ?
Mr. Michael A. Weeks I have asked a few questions, and then I yield with that. Let me take those answers, Mr. Chairman, and I will get back on my feet.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member . Minister? Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Again, Mr. Chairman, answering the questions in no particular order, the question asked with regard to the Bermuda Swimming A ssociation and why it is there. And the answer to that, Mr. Chairman, is, it is just where it is budgeted. …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Mr. Chairman, we have been around here so long I have got so many questions here. On page B -250 under cost centre 2007 line item 30148, I see a decrease in Camping Administr ation of $55,000. Can the Minister explain that? Teen Camp Service, also on page B- 250 …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Honourable Member .
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Cost centre 2302 line item 33030 Foster Care. I see a decrease of $97,000. And that $97,000 concerns me because foster care is always a very important element to deal with those chi ldren that are in need of loving homes. As the unemployment, as the break -up of families …
The Chairman Chairman Is that the line item 33030 Foster Care still?
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Would you repeat that, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman I said is that referring to the same line item that you were referring to as 33030 Foster Care?
Mr. Michael A. Weeks No, we had moved on. I was down to cost centre 2303 Residential Treatment and we were talking about line item 33070 Brangman Home.
The Chairman Chairman Right. Mr. Mi chael A. Weeks: I will let the Minister answer those three questions and I will get back up.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Honourable Minister Nandi Outerbridge, you have the floor. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, literally eve ry question that was asked by the Shadow Minister just now, all of the answers are within the brief that I gave you when I star ted. But what …
The Chairman Chairman I recognise the Honourable Member Zane De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you very much. Minister, can you tell us how that is determined?
The Chairman Chairman It is on the page. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Chairman , that Ho nourable Member must have missed my brief as he was not in the Chamber when I was presenting it. I do not know if he heard it on the radio, but as I already stated all of …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Minister, that was not the question. The question was . . . you said that this section of the Ministry is adequately funded. What I want to know is how was that determined? How can you …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Chairman, that Ho nourable Member, as a former Minister, would know 904 6 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly that the civil service prioritises and they make adequate decisions based on the funding that the Ministry …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any other Honourable Member . . . Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I am still not happy with that answer, Mr. Cha irman . It does not answer the question. The [question] is, How is that determination made? You could talk about a civil servant can make …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member from constituency 2. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Chairman, I have answered the question.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Does any other Honourable Member want to contribute to this de bate? I notice the Honourable Member from consti tuency 16 Michael Weeks.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Mr. Chairman, thank you. The questions that I asked the Honourable Minister to clarify . . . the answer “that is in the brief,” Mr. Chairman, do you accept that? Because . . . b ecause we have heard a whole — [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman It is not up for me to accept it. I am just here to guide people back and forth.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Excuse me one and all, with all due respect. All right, Mr. Ch airman, you have got to control your area because if I ask a question that may not be for you, you tell me. I do not need 10 peo-ple telling me. With the respect I give you …
The Chairman Chairman And I certainly have been giv ing you the respect.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay. All right. So I ask again, the questions that I had asked the Honourable Minister about the various decreases, her answer was they are in the brief . I have heard five hours of talk, so if I missed one or two things I do not apologise for it. …
The Chairman Chairman Can you give me the one, particularly, that you are looking for the answer for?
The Chairman Chairman The five questions that you [asked] . . . the Honourable [Minister] has given some answers; but which ones are you not satisfied with, that you have not received that you are looking for?
Mr. Michael A. Weeks All five answers, Mr. Chai rman. I asked five questions and the answer was a blanket answer that all the answers are in the brief. So all five questions that I have asked, Mr. Chairman, none of them have been satisfactory. So I am asking if the Honourable Minister can …
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Do I ask the question again?
The Chairman Chairman I think that is fine. I think the Honourable [Minister] has probably written the questions down that you have asked and we will go back to the Minister and ask her to give the answers that you are looking for to your questions.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman In the meantime does anybody else have any . . . I notice the Honourable Member from constituency 27.
Mr. R. Wa yne Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just want to take some time to contribute to this brief while my fellow Minister is conferring with her Permanent Secretary. I just want to point out just some of the good work that this Government has been doing—
The Chairman Chairman Which Head are you referring to?
Mr. R. Wayne Scott —in this area of Social Development. Right now I am actually speaking—
The Chairman Chairman And line item, please.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott —specifically to the Ministry and what I actually want to . . . I am speaking on page C - 35. And I want to start out there when we look at the Consolidate Fund Expenditure Ten Year Summary. And I want to look at Social Development & Sports, and …
The Chairman Chairman He is on Social Development & Sports. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman It is on page C -35.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I said, when we look at the Ministry of Social Development & Sports on page C -35, which gives an overall summary of what we have actually — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Point of order, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member from constituency 6, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order, please? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The point of order is that the Shadow Minister had asked the Minister a question. I believe that the Minister is back at her seat, the time is far spent, five or six hours, and we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister, do you want to give the answers to the Honourable Member from constituency 16? Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Yes. Mr. Chairman, as it pertains to the Foster Care question and the number that the Shadow Mini ster had with regard to the $97,000 decreas e diffe rence, I …
The Chairman Chairman Does any other Honourable Member want to contribute to the debate? I notice the Honourable Member from consti tuency 26, Mr. Neville Tyrrell. You have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrr ell Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I also went through the five - hour brief that the Minister gave. I did not have the benefit of having it in front of me though. But at the same time there are some questions that I have. I hope I did not …
The Chairman Chairman Can I just have the page if you would not mind, please, sir?
Mr. Neville S. Tyr rell Okay. B -238. I gave you the line item, Mr. Chairman, B -237/238.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Neville S. Tyr rell Mr. Chairman, the Minister mentioned about the transfer of the Lorraine Rest Home and I understand why the cost changed, but I would like to ask the question, why was the change made from one ministry or department to the other? And what was the benefit likely to achieve? On …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member . Minister Outerbridge, you have the floor. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will start with the Financial Assistance question. The one thing the Member should note is that the amounts that are being awar ded for the grants under the Financial …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Chairman, can I just . . . I do not think she is answering my question, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member ?
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I asked is it in the best interest? And also I asked, what is the quality increase?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member . Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Yes, it is in the best interest. And efficiencies provide better quality. I just want to answer the question with regard to the Mirrors Programme. In September 2016 it was determined that the volunteer base to facilitate deli very of the Uncommon …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member , do you have another question you would like to ask?
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell This is one question I really want answered tonight, if you can. Is the maintenance and equipment of playgrounds. I have a vested interest in that one, probably, because it is right next door to my house. Is that under your Ministry? And is there a maintenance schedule for the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Playgrounds do not fall under my Ministry, Honourable Member. They fall under the Department of Parks.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other questions? I notice the Honourable Member from consti tuency 6, Wayne Furbert. You have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, Financial Assistance has a lways bothered me. Because I remember when the actual amount was a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Bermuda House of Assembly Are there any other questions before the Honourable Member stands up? I noti ce the Honourable Member from consti tuency 21 is it?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Twenty -one.
The Chairman Chairman Twenty -one, the Honourable Rolfe Commissiong. You have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the Ministry of Social Development and Sports, Head 1 . . . 71, I should say . . . no, no . . . yes, 71 Ministry of Social Development and Sports Headquarters, in reference to . . . no, I am sorry, my apologies, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Does any other Honourable Member have a question? I notice the Honourable Member from consti tuency 3 Lovitta Foggo. You have the floor.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I have a quick question on Financial Ass istance under Head 55. It shows that you are trying to establish appropriate and reasonable procedures for measuring the effectiveness of Financial Assistance. What type of measures do you have in place to do that, given …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Nandi Outerbridge, you have the floor. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman And you have about two minutes. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: In regard to the questions on the Department of Financial Assistance and does it track where the funds are distributed, the answer is yes. And as I mentioned in my brief earlier there are categories with able- bodied unemployed, earnings low, …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, you need to move the Heads. 908 6 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Chairman, I will now move that Heads 71, 20, 23, 52 and 55 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 71, 20, 23, 52 and 55 be approved. Is there any objection that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Social Development and Sports, Heads 71, 20, 23, 52 and 55 were a pproved and stand part of the Estimates …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress and seek leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] House resumed at …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Honourable Member s, we have completed the debate on Heads 02, 63, 71, 20, 23, 52 and 55 and the Committee will meet again on Wednesday, 8 March, and report progress. We have Orders 2 through 9, I believe, are all carried over. If that is not true …
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honour able Member from constituency 29, MP Zane De Silva. Y ou have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Zane De Silva, yes. ADJUDICATION AND STAMP DUTIES ON PRO PERTIES Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I rise tonight because I have a few things on the agenda. And one I have mentioned several times in this House and it is one that I think is very …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Dropping the ball again. CASINO GAMING FEE Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Look after the people that you say you care about. Look after them. Now, Mr. Speaker, two other things on my agenda. We had gaming legislation here a few weeks ago and one particular piece that really …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Dropped the ball. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —and they are the ones saying, We’ve got hotels going . . . there is a buzz . . . the tourism numbers are up . . . all this . . . all these positive things, but are they really? …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Good evening, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. OBITUARY SPEECH Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker , of course, earlier there was time for congrats and obits and I did not get up, of course, because the name had not been r eleased. But it is, of course, with a heavy heart that I rise to …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member s. The House is adjourned until Wednesday, 8 March. [Gavel] [At 7:52 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Wednesday, 8 March 2017.]
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