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March 3, 2017

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 3, 2017
Session 2016/2017
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Speakers 25
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402 speeches from 25 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, all. The Minutes of the 17th and 24th should have been circulated. If there are no objections to those Minutes, or corrections, then those Minutes are confirmed. No objections or changes? The Minutes are confirmed for February 17th and 24th. [Mi nutes of 17 and 24 February 2017 …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I have one announcement. And the announcement is that Independent MP Shawn Crockwell has asked to be excused during the day. He will be here around five o’clock. But he is involved in arbitration in court during the day today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Member, Minister Patricia Gordon- Pamplin. [Paus e]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister Atherden will cover for her. BERMUD A IMMIGRATION AND PROTECTION (LAND -HOLDING CHARGES) AMENDMENT RE GULATIONS 2017 Hon . Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Bermuda I mmigration and Protection (Land-H olding …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. We have a couple of questions on the Order Paper. The Chair will recognise that MP D. V. S. R abain should have received written responses from Dr. Gibbons. QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN WRITING : ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACT, APPLICATIONS APPROVED UNDER SECTIONS (5)(1) AND 3B 1.Wil l the Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker And we now go to Member W. L. Scott. You have the floor.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: CAR RENTAL AGENCIES AND THE 1949 GENEVA CONVENTION S
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Would the Honourable Minister please inform this Honourable House of the total number of car rental agencies which currently do not allow Bermudians to rent cars without Bermuda being a signatory to the 1949 Geneva Conventions?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, Dr. Gibbons?
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning to you.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, there have been occasions, as some Honourable Members will be aware, when the Bermuda driver’s licence has not been accepted for securing rental cars while res idents have been abroad for both business and le isure. Within the last year, r estrictions have been highlighted in the Boston, …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mini ster. Do you have a supplementary, Honourable Member? Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: I do have a supplementary.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott And I will take your guidance that his response has posed another question that I wanted to ask. I will go to the supplementary first.
The Speaker The Speaker As long as it is a question that has extended from his answer, then it is fine.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. No problem. Yes. Then it is. First I will go for the supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker But that is the only thing you could do is a supplementary. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. No problem, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister just let us know if it is the intention of the Government to allow visitors to drive cars in Bermuda for up t o 90 days on a foreign licence as part of the mitigating circumstances for this?
The Speaker The Speaker Dr. Gibbons.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said, the Ministry is working through a number of particular , or potentia l, options and approaches with various stakeholders. In fact, there have been meetings held with a number of stakeholders in the form of the taxi drivers, minibus drivers, those …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons I will also say that this is not simply a Bermuda issue. Because of the legislation the Honourable Member refers to, the British Government would also necessarily be involved in it as well. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: Yes. The Honourable Mini ster says that it seems to be just Alamo rental car agency that is having the issue with this. And my question is, if t his is just Ala mo that has …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, as I said, the Ministry is working through possible options here. And those options could essentially address the treaty, which I think was not signed by Bermuda dur-ing the period the former Government had responsibi lity. But there are a number of ways to approach this. And I …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. T hank you, Honourable Minister. Yes, MP Brown. You have a supplementary?
Mr. Walton Brown Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, coll eagues.
Mr. Walton Brown I would like for the Minister just to answer whether or not we may be in danger of overcomplicating something that is relatively straightforward insofar as we do not recognise foreign licences ; therefore, we are not being recognised. Is there not a very simple remedy for that, just to …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said, there are a number of moving parts here. And there are options, which the Ministry of Transport is certainly looking at. One of the issues that comes out of not dealing with this a num-ber of years ago and perhaps signing …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you very much, Mi nister. That is it, Honourable Members.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Well, I just want to know if —
The Speaker The Speaker That is it!
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott —for a point of information—
The Speaker The Speaker That is it. That is it! You had your supplementaries.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I just wanted to add a point of information. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Just a second. I am hearing voices. And the only voice I should hear is the person speaking. Yes. Go ahead. POINT OF INFORMATION
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The point of information is that the Minister brought up about signing and ratif ying the treaty. And the policy and procedure is that we are allowed to . . . If we do ratify, we can add our own clauses like Jamaica—
The Speaker The Speaker So, what is the information?
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott The information is that J amaica has signed it, but still will not recognise drivers to drive in their country. So, we could do . . . w hy is the Government not taking that approach?
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you cannot ask another question.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott But, yes. The information is that Jamaica has ratified it, but still does not allow other countries to drive without having their proper driver’s licence.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you. So that will be on the record. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker It does not look like there are any. [Inaudible interjections] 738 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: The Chair will recognise the Minister Nandi Outerbridge. You have the floor, Minister of S ocial Development and Sport. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Good morning, and thank you, …
The Speaker The Speaker Ilkeston, yes. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Ilkeston. And he actually saw them in their firs t win as they defeated Sutton Coldfield Town. So, congratulations to Mr. Goater. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 16. MP Michael Weeks, you have the floor.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning to you.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Good morning to colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off by ass ociating myself with the remarks by the Minister of Social Development and Sport, for boxing. We were actually up there sitting in the same section. And we r eally enjoyed the exploits of Mr. Nikki Bascome. …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks And the Honourable Premier can cut outside and break it up. It was really a crazy night. But all in all, we really enjoyed the experience. I also want to associate myself with the U nder-20 football team. They have really done well. But it keeps on showing us, as …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 1. MP Kenneth Bascome, you have the floor. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: Good morning,
Mr. Speaker. The S peaker Good morning. Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome: Good morning, honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask that this House extend congratulations to the Young Men’s Social Club, who have returned to the Premier Div ision after 37 years ling ering. Bermuda House of Assembly [Desk thumping] Hon. Kenneth (Kenny) …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 21. MP Rolfe Commi ssiong, you have the floor.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker , I just want to extend condolences to two families who were not only connected in life, but in the passing of both Mr. E dward Oliver, a well -known taxi driver, and, of course, Ms. Elvira Castle, who was the mother of Cornell Cas-tle. Many people will …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Deputy Speaker, from constituency 4. MP Roberts - Holshouser, you have the floor.
Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser There are two mentions that I would like to make as I stand to my feet this morning. One of them is sad, and it recogni ses a woman who held life in her hand, who has now passed away after a struggle. And that would be Linell Greet. Linell, …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a sad note this morning, and I know that my honourable colleagues, particularly in Cabinet, would probably wish to be associated with these comments. But I would ask that the House send con-dolences to the family of Rochelle Butterfield, who died— [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Associated, because it was brought up by MP Weeks.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Oh, I am sorry. I beg your pardon. I was looking at something else.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker, those of us who worked with Rochelle Butterfield, particularly in Cabinet the last few years, will know what a huge contribution she made to modernising the way in which Cabinet essentially deals with a lot of the pa-pers and other correspondence. And she did this in a way, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Dr. Gibbons. The Chair will recognise now the Honourable Member from constituency 14, MP Glen Smith.
Mr. Glen Smith Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the condolences sent to the family of Linell Greet. I knew her extremely well over the years , and spent a fair amount of time with her family as a younger man. I would also like to send condolences …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you. That concludes . . . y ou have got to move faster than that, Honourable Member. Hon. E. David Burt: Clearly, I do, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Leader of the Opposition. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Good morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I just want to rise to be associated with the condolences which have been expressed by the Honourable Member for constituency 16, the Minister for Economic Development [sic], for Ms. Rochelle Butterfield. For those of us who served, not necessarily …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the H onourable Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too would like to be associated with the comments originally provided by the Honourable Member from constituency 16 to the family of Ms. Rochelle Butterfield, who …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS FIRST READINGS REGISTRAR OF COMPANIES (COMPLIANCE MEASURES) ACT 2017
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honour able Minister of Economic Development, Dr. the Hon. E. G. Gibbons. You have the floor.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: Registrar of Companies (Compliance Measures) Act 2017. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister for Finance. Minister E. T. Richards, you have the floor. MISCELLANEOUS TAXES AMENDMENT ACT 2017 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance, Minister E. T. Richards. MOTION APPROVAL OF THE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 201 7/18 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18 …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mini ster. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will now recognise the Leader of the Opposition and the Shadow Finance Mini ster, E. D. G. Burt. You have the floor. [Pause] Hon. E. David Burt: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, before I begin, I would like to recognise the presence . . . I know it is a bit unusual. I hope you will give me a little bit of leeway.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. You will get the leeway you need. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. I would like to, of course, in the audience recognise not only my mother, but also my wife—
The Speaker The Speaker Because of your mother and your wife, not because of you. [Laughter] 742 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Okay, got you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, my dad is here too; thank you. And my …
The Speaker The Speaker And if you do not mind, Honourable Member, I did not mention (and I should have mentioned) that we also have the Vice President of the Senate here, and also Senator Woolridge here also. I should have mentioned it earlier. So, please carry on. All yours. Hon. E. David Burt: …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, if we can allow the Honourable Member to deliver. Because if you are going to make noise on this side, then— [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Listen to me! I ask that we allow the Member to give his speech and receive it respectfully, all of us. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The One Bermuda Alliance wants people to forget that last year they raised the employee portion of payroll tax to 6 …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, I want to hear the presentation. Hon. E. David Burt: I will go again, Mr. Speaker, because I want to make sure the Premier is listening. Mr. Speaker, just as we said in 2013, that tinkering around the edges of an immigration system from 1956 is not enough …
The Speaker The Speaker Stop. No, n o, no, no, no, no. Hon. E. David Burt: Sorry, Mr. Speaker; my colleagues are excited.
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Honourable Member. Hon. E. David Burt: This is the People’s Budget , Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Absolutely. Carry on. Create a Lottery to Support Our Athletes Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, our People’s Bud get will also create a local lottery, which will benefit sports development on the Island. We have recently been heartened by the exploits of our young men and women around the …
The Speaker The Speaker Quiet over there, please. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, these last 50 months have also seen unprecedented social u pheava l that has raised tensions in our country to levels not seen in my young lifetime. Our lack of social c ohesion is the result of a government that …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Actually, what I would prefer to do is start, Mr. Speaker, and then come back after lunch.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Okay, if you would like to.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons We are going to be here for a long time, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Absolutely.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons And we might as well keep going. But I will stop at 12:30, so if you can give me indication.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, right, absolutely. Okay. Thank you.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Order, Members. [Pause] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair] DEBATE ON THE BUDGET STATEMENT AND REPL Y TO THE BUDGET
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, [Madam Deputy] Speaker. What we just heard over the course of the last hour and probably 40 minutes is apparently the election platform of a wannabe Government that was read by a wannabe Minister of Finance and a wannabe Premier. But very little I heard suggests that it …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you very much. The Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam. I say we rise for lunch.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Are there any objections? We will return back into the House at two o’clock. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:27 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:01 pm [Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair] DEBATE ON THE BUDGET STATEMENT AND REPLY TO THE BUDGET
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Dr. Gibbons will continue.
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, before lunch we had the Oppos ition’s Reply to the Budget Statement, and I had just started to make some of my remarks in contribution to the debate. Before lunch I said that in listening to the Opposition Leader’s Reply I thought that …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Two minutes, okay. So the fact of the matter is we are also pr omoting entrepreneurship. I read a number of stat ements in this House about what the BEDC is doing over there. I think they are doing a terrific job to essentially promote and help entrepreneurs. We have …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Dr. Gibbons. Any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 36, MP Michael Scott. You have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I am very grateful and thank you, Mr. Speaker . As I take up the cudgel in the …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Point of order, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interj ection] POINT OF ORDER
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Yes, the Honourable Member is incorrect in saying it has not happened in our history. In 1997 there were plans for a business technology park down there. More recently there have been a number of incubators which businesses have set up over time, in fact, there is one now in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes, but . . . I am grateful to my friend, but the point . . . he cut me off a bit too soon. They have all started, Mr. Speaker , they have all started. But they have not been sustained and sur-vived …
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons Mr. Speaker , point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives]
The Hon. Dr. E. Grant Gibbons The Honourable Member is not only [imputing] improper motives he is simply wrong.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Carry on. Hon. Michael J. Scott: It would be resisted because . . . and it would not flourish because it conflicts with the protected pre- existing businesses. And I mentioned KeyTech deliberately, and I mention this ridiculous duopoly that has been formed under this particular …
The Speaker The Speaker You have two minutes left. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Oh my goodness. “The onus is upon us all to work to improve the human condition. Perform good deeds, for that is truly the way to battle the forces of entropy that are at work in our world. The composite of …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Hon. Michael J. Scott: —of the Commission of I nquiry.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 27.
Mr. R. Wayne Scot t Thank you, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. You have the floor, Honourable Member .
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker I am glad you are walking.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Yes, just barely, Mr. Speaker . I did have surgery this morning so I am a bit lame. But I am glad to participate in this economic debate and I know it is going to be a long night, so I will try to keep my comments brief. You know, …
Mr. R. Wayne Scott And I think, Mr. Speaker , that if you are honest those are things that over the last couple of years, where that has come down to a level today that is just unbelievable . . . for that to happen in a couple of years and on schedule for …
The Speaker The Speaker Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I can see why he is no longer the Minister of Education, because if he would read the Budget, the Minister of Finance is not predicting a balanced budget next year. Get your facts …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you.
Mr. R. W ayne Scott Mr. Speaker, you know, let me start outlining some of the facts —not armchair quarterbacking, not Monday morning quarterback, not si tting around talking about what Marino should have done and why can’t United win again —let us look at some of the facts. When we look at our overall …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member . POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister —sorry, no longer Minister —the Honourable Member is misleading the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: He just got up and gave a comparison between the hospital and the airport. And the Honourable Member knows that the Bermuda Hospi-tals Board operates the hospital —and in the case of the airport privatisation, it will be operated by a private company. So you …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Carry on.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Mr. Speaker , I thought from the information that you provided us, points of order need to be specific, and unless I am mistaking something, that—
The Speaker The Speaker I will decide on that.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott So when I . . . you know, I laughed when I started to hear demand that the tim eline for the hotel in St. George’s be updated. Yo u know, we all remember the implosion with great fan-fare. We are getting there. We are actually getting there. Consumer confidence …
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Yes, but you know, yes. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Five hundred thousand, I got it, I got it. I got it, my apologies. You know what I mean. You know what I mean, half a million dollars . . . half a million dollars a day. So if we start to . . . I guess I am just …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member . POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker , we are having an economic debate so I am not going to allow the Member to mislead the public. The fact of the matter is that the debt has doubled. So if you are going …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Opposition Lea der.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott Mr. Speaker, thank you for allowing that point of order because that Member just made my point. Y ou have not learned your lesson. Because, because— [Inaudible interjections Hon. R. Wayne Scott: —because, because— 768 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. R. Wayne Scott And they are over there saying, Well, we doubled the debt . Look, we took over Government and there was a three hundred and—
The Speaker The Speaker Stay connected through the Speaker, yes.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott —approximately $350 million current account deficit that was committed to— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes, Honourable Member . POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member needs to get his facts correct. When the One Bermuda All iance came into office the current account deficit from the year before was not $300- something, it was act ually in the hundreds of …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Mr. R. Wayne Scott You know, you know, Mr. Speaker , we want to sit here and play games with words, to basically put our hands up and it is like, It wasn’t me; it was that guy next door that did it, or somebody else. Look, these are commitments that financial mismanagement caused …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you . Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 5, MP D. V. Burgess. You have the floor. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . First of all, Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate our Shadow Finance …
The Speaker The Speaker The Honourable— Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: —the Honourable Grant Gibbons.
The Speaker The Speaker —Minister of Economic Development. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . And I heard him say that they do not have the experience and the ability . . . those on this side of the House. I really do not think that he …
The Speaker The Speaker What is going on here? Can you just take it outside please? All right? Okay. Carry on, carry on. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: So, Mr. Speaker, the Government has not . . . I guess the way they would do it, even though they have got “X” number of …
The Speaker The Speaker Two minutes. Two minutes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Again, Mr. Speaker , I really want to . . . (I hate to say that) we want to thank all government workers for what they have done, d espite the recession, despite the job cuts, in maintai ning the level …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 2, the Minister for Sport and Social Development. You have the floor. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and good afternoon.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, over the last couple of months, and I do not know if it is just me, but as I walk down the street I generally feel t he positive vibes that are happening in Bermuda. And generally I believe that it is because …
The Speaker The Speaker The Budget or the Reply? Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: The actual Budget, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker The actual Budget, yes. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: When you read at the end of the 2018/19 fiscal year the current account is pr ojected to record its fourth straight annual surplus before debt service. This means for the first time in 15 years the Government will not be adding to …
Mr. Walton Brown Point of order. Point of order, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member . POINT OF ORDER [Impugning integrity]
Mr. Walton Brown The Honourable Minister is i mpugning the integrity of my Leader, and I would ask that she withdraw that remark.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member , carry on. It is not necessary to withdraw that, Honourable Member . Carry on. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, when you see the Opposition Leader putting ads out on Facebook and YouTube and rebranding himself as this, you know . . . I will leave it there, …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member is misleading this House.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes, that is definitely misleading, Honourable Member . [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker There was some progress. There was some — Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: I will move forward, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Minister. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Okay. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
The Speaker The Speaker All right, Honourable Member s. Honourable Member s, Honourable Member s. Carry on please, Minister. Hon. Nan di Outerbridge: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . So, Mr. Speaker, while we have entrepr eneurs starting successful businesses under the One Bermuda Alliance Government, I feel the confidence up and down Bermuda. We …
The Speaker The Speaker We are going to have some order. [Gavel] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, the fact is that the One Bermuda Alliance has delivered on ever ything the Opposition could not and would not do if back in power. So before I finish up, Mr. Speaker, I just want to touch …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member . POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister just said that the statement in the Budget Statement where it says that the duty rate of 25 per cent is going to 35 per cent, she said the Budget Statement is not correct. I just …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Minister? Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: Mr. Speaker, I have just had clarification. It is not going to jump to 35 per cent, but it will go from 25 [per cent] to 28 per cent. So I will— [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: At the Airport. So I will take that. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister is misleading the House. This document states that for rates that are set at 25 per cent right now, which is unaccompanied goods at the airport, they go to 35 [per cent]. The standard rate of payroll tax …
The Speaker The Speaker What page are you on? Hon. E. David Burt: I am on page 32 of the Minister’s Budget Statement, Mr. Speaker . The Speake r: Thirty -two. Hon. Nandi Outerbridge: I will move on from that, Mr. Speaker, I will let the Finance Minister clarify that. That is what I …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member . Hon. Nandi Ou terbridge: This Government, as I was finishing up, is doing as much as they can without sacrificing the health of our economy to help Mr. and Mrs. Bermuda. And I believe, Mr. Speaker , that we have proven …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Learned Member from constituency 34. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker And just before you start I just want to recognise Senator Renee Ming who just came into the House. So, carry on, please, Honourable Member . [Desk thumping] [Debate on the Budget Statement and Reply contin uing]
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I too would like to join in the k udos that have been extended on this side of the House with respect to the Reply that was delivered earlier this morning, primarily for a different reason, actually, than was stated by my honourable …
Ms. Kim N. Wilson I beg your pardon? [Inaudible interjection] [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair]
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Two thousand since 2012. Every day we meet Bermudians whose existence suggests months, if not years, Madam Deputy Speaker, of un-employment. Every day we meet Bermudians whose existence suggests months, if not years, of underem-ployment. And the redundancies are more co ming. We know there are more on the horizon. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you , Honourable and Learned Member. And it was “Bob the Builder” by the way. I just thought I would help clarify that. Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Budget Statement? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 28. You have …
Mr. Jeff Sousa Good afternoon, Madam Deputy Speaker , colleagues and those in the listening aud ience. I would like to start off, Madam Deputy Speaker , with a paragraph by the Deputy Premier and the Finance Minister of Bermuda on page 4 of the Budget Statement. And it states, “ I can …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker And a woman would not know that, huh?
Mr. Jeff Sousa That is right. But my team, of course, Somerset, has always had key people in those pos itions. And, of course, when we talk about safe hands, 780 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly the people of Bermuda really have to look at the safe hands …
Mr. Jeff Sousa Madam Deput y Speaker , during that meeting we highlighted, and, of course, then we found out we are pushing in tourism and the growth, and obviously we knew at that time already that gaming was taking place. And even on that, when you talk about job creation, you know, …
Mr. Jeff Sousa Again, Madam Deputy Speaker , I am just quoting — [Gavel]
Mr. Jeff Sousa I am quoting the Chairman of the Gaming Commission. This is not my words; that is what he said, all right? So, again, here we have opportunity . . . whether it is going to be 1,000 or 750 or 500 we are talking about a lot of jobs. Of …
Mr. Jeff Sousa And if you have to ask —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Stay focused and speak to the Chair, please.
Mr. Jeff Sousa I am focused, I can assure you. But of course— Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker And Members, I should only be hearing one voice. Thank you. Please proceed.
Mr. Jeff Sousa Okay. And you know, staying with the America’s Cup, once we have proved that we are successful with this world- class event, what that will do . . . that will prove to the world that we can handle other events. We have already seen the various Tr iathlon events …
Mr. Jeff Sousa And, of course, with the growth in tourism, Mr. Speaker, this has obviously created o pportunities in construction, an area that was really hurting for quite some time. And, of course, we finally have seen construction grow 30 per cent in the last year. This is an area that I …
Mr. Jeff Sousa Yes. We are not going to have the numbers that we had because we do not have the beds. But, obviously, there will be ships coming, there will be luxury liners. You know, this opportunity for us is immense. And, of course, once it is . . . and, again, …
Mr. Jeff Sousa Okay, all right. We could go to Hansard, but it was said in this House. You know, I am going 57 next Tuesday, Mr. Speaker, but there is nothing wrong with my hearing. I can assure you that one. But the BTA has been doing a fantastic job, Mr. Speaker, …
Mr. Jeff Sousa Two billion is what I said. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Jeff Sousa Two billion, yes. A $2 billion project, yes, ask your mate. But, again, these are the types of things that, truth be told, the Opposition does not want to hear. We promised to the people of Bermuda that we would put this Island back on track, that we would create …
Mr. Jeff Sousa So, Mr. Speaker, I can assure you that Bermuda is in safe hands and we will continue to move in the direction we are now. And, of course, the people of Bermuda—this is going to be in Hansard — will be able to recall that there will be lots of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Just before you start to speak, Honourable Member , just before you start to . . . that means sit down for a second. Relax. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair would like to just recognise the former Senator Llewellyn Peniston who is sitting in the Gallery. [Desk thumping] [Debate on the Budget Statement and Reply contin uing]
The Speaker The Speaker And now the Honourable Member from constituency 17, MP Walton Brown.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I am obliged for that recognition. I see we are going to have a very interesting evening tonight. Mr. Speaker, why are we here? We are here because we have an obligation to do the people’s business. We have an obligation to focus on putting …
Mr. Walton Brown I know what it means, but it is a [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton Brown A mantra, our m otto—Quo fata Ferunt. He embraced it! It is a recipe for passivity. On this side of the House, Mr. Speaker, we are talking about concrete initiatives and mobilising the capital into this economy. The Bermuda Fund. It is a brilliant concept because it wil l help …
Mr. Walton Brown I did not say “fraudul ent” although I am not going to disagree with my honourable co lleague, because he does have some interesting o bservations. But I did say “Freudian” for the record. But a Freudian slip can be as potent as an actual fraudu-lent slip. Mr. Speaker, let …
Mr. Walton Brown I am not . . . it was not him. But a $30 million . . . it is public knowledge, a $30 million paycheque. He paid tax on it as if it was $750,000. So let us say you increase it now to $900,000, so you pay tax on …
Mr. Walton Brown Corrections?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Corrections officers.
Mr. Walton Brown Corrections officers. See, I cannot get the nomenclature right. Corrections officers? I will still probably call him a prison officer to his face. Okay, I have to learn about that. I will learn to do bet-ter. But, Mr. Speaker, the stories I was given from the corrections officer is that …
Mr. Walton Brown Well, it was not because of the global recession, it was because of the term limits?
Mr. Walton Brown But guess what, Mr. Speaker, we have gotten rid of term limits, jobs are still going away. Do you know why? Because technology has made it less likely that you will need people to do certain jobs. It is not because of term limits. It is not because of which …
Mr. Walton Brown Or Guatemalans. No entiendo, señor, Mr. Speaker . But we will have to see because you are not going to get an upsurge in people coming to work in a minimum wage position when the costs are escalating dramatically, and Government seems to have no f ocus whatsoever on that. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It is] 5 per cent.
Mr. Walton Brown And 5 per cent of their salary has to go toward a pension and you are contributing to it as an employer, your economic interests tell you not to hire the Bermudian. That is basic economics. So we have to address that. If the Government was ser ious about ensuring …
The Speaker The Speaker [You have] 3:20.
Mr. Walton Brown Three hours and 20 minutes? [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Yeah, three hours and 20 minutes.
Mr. Walto n Brown So let me just get a little bit about immigration — [Laughter]
Mr. Walton Brown A little bit about immigration. My honourable friend, the Honourable Mini ster for Home Affairs, the Honourable Pat GordonPamplin, is very sincere in her efforts to ensure that Bermuda House of Assembly we have robust immigration policies in place. And I have no doubt that she is committed to ensuring …
The Speaker The Speaker You have two minutes.
Mr. Walton Brown I understand. Two minutes is a lot. Espec ially in hospitality; that is where there is serial abuse. And the abuse of foreign workers has a carryover effect onto local workers because foreign workers are silent. Some have challenges (they be-lieve) in their languages and so forth, and they come …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Just before you start, Honourable Member , the next speaker, I just want to recognise the former Ministe r and Senator, Nalton Brangman, who is in the Gallery. [Desk thumping] [Debate on the Budget Statement and Reply contin uing]
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will now recognise Minister of Home Affairs, Minister Gordon- Pamplin. You have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and good afternoon to colleagues. Mr. Speaker, as I weigh in on the Budget r especting the 2017/18 financial year, it gives me great …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker All right. Have a seat. Your point of order is — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Madam Deputy Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That is all right. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. She said just about every pr oject was the cost of two for one. The Honourable Member needs to withdraw that. That is simply not true.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon- Pamplin: I said almost ev ery . . . I am sorry if I misled by saying that. I should have said every — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So just like you are now, yes. Hon. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, very much, Member. The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 16, you have the floor
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and good evening to you. Good evening to my colleagues and the listening public. Madam Deputy Speaker, I am honoured to be given the opportunity today to weigh in on this Budget for 2017/18. Madam Deputy Speaker, I feel it is my duty to rise …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member In construction.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks In construction, I am sorry. It showed an increase of only 10 in construction. But I am more baffled now because the Honourable Member from constituency 28 had said something, if I may, Madam Deputy Speaker, our construction jobs ha ve picked up, joined this building boom, he called it, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Constituency 23.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Constituency 23. I was close, yes, she said that her Ministry has seen 900- plus new jobs. But, again, that does not . . . it did not reflect those numbers in the Budget Book. So I have to say, inquiring minds want to know that if all this construction …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Seven minutes.
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Okay. All right. Madam Deputy Speaker, also on page 39 of the Budget [Statement], I see where the OBA antic ipates $3 million in receipts from the sale of Gover nment properties. My suggestion is that we need to think outside the box. We need to earmark one or more …
Mr. Michael A. Weeks Yes, it was in the New York Times . We must be able to allocate one or two pro perties for our homeless. Again, those are the ones that are least among us that we need to look out for. With all these properties that we have available, it is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 14. You have the floor.
Mr. Glen Smith Thank you and good evening, Ma dam Deputy Speaker. The Honourable Member that just took his seat, he and I share a boundary together and we quite often run into each other when we are out canvassing or we are in the area together. One thing that this struck home …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It is] 83.
Mr. Glen Smith No, it is—I saw it was 86 days. But if you say it is 83, it is 83. But never mind, the good news is it is happening and it is coming to reality. And what came the ot her night, my wife happened to make me watch the red …
Mr. Glen Smith The other side that I would like to share is I was recently overseas and I happened to meet a very wealthy individual that had heard about the America’s Cup but wanted to know more. So I had dinner with him, my wife and I did. And consequently he said, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, please address the Chair.
Mr. Glen Smith And the Bermuda Tourism Authority has done a fantastic job. You know, to me, when I look at that, that was a start -up business in 2014, and it takes time. It certainly does. And at this time I would like to publicly thank Mr. Bill Hanbury, because with his …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member One hundred and seventy?
Mr. Glen Smith Yes. And vans over the last year. I look at my own business. I started wit h the business three and a half years ago. We started with 32 staff. Today we are at 45, which is an increase of 38 per cent—and those are Bermudians. The Honourable Member , …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What about the tour operators?
Mr. Glen Smith The tour operators are doing all right, too. [Inaudible interjections and crosstalk ] The Deputy Speak er: Can we, can we still just listen to the one voice? Members! I do not want to hear a nother voice. Thank you. Please proceed.
Mr. Glen Smith Sure. And, you know, with the a dvent of Airbnb, my understanding is . . . and this hap-pened to be in a Public Account meeting the other day the Tourism Authority came. I believe they said there were over 480 residences and it is growing, and that is great. …
Mr. Glen Smith Did not try it with me. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Glen Smith So, you know, we need to do that. I know we are revising tax structures. I know we are looking at GST, but at the end of the day the moral of the story is, either we like it or do not, we need pe ople. And I am talking …
Mr. Glen Smith So at the end of the day, there are a lot of promises in here, but not once does this doc ument address the national debt —do they honestly think this Government, as wonderful as we are— Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Point of order, Madam Depu ty Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That Honourable Member is misleading the House —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order? Sorry, I cannot hear you. I could not hear you—there were people talking. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I said the Honourable Member is misleading this House.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay, thank you. Please pr oceed. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The part that is misleading is that in the Budget . . . in the Reply he clearly shows how the thing that we will do as far as tax reform and Bermuda House of Assembly producing new business in …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member.
Mr. Glen Smith Madam Deputy Speaker, you can go to the World Bank and borrow money of off this that is for sure. So, in closing, Madam Deputy Speaker, we will continue to serve the people— everybody. We will continue to try to grow jobs. We will continue to r educe the debt, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency —Member , before I recognise you, if you would have a seat for a quick second. I do not want to eat up your time. The Chair would like to recognise the Sigma Phi Omega Chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Welcome. [Debate on the Budget Statement and Reply contin uing]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 29. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The speaker who just took his seat said that we are creating jobs and we are in safe hands. Well, I will let the Bermudian people judge that last statement …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A year or two. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And what he said today is that May is only about 12 weeks awa y. So, I have to congratulate . . . you know, Bermudians are going to be fully employed. We have 4,000 jobs that we will see …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker And as we proceed as per the Standing Orders, you will refer to the constituencies of which the Members come from rather than names. 800 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker . Madam Deputy Speaker, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: My, my, my. Madam Deputy Speaker, the Progressive L abour Party in 14 years ended up with a debt of $1.1 billion. The OBA has doubled that —borrowed a billion dollars in four years. A billion dollars in four years. A billion! You …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, “Sir” — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sir John Swan.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Sir John Swan. Where is he? Where is he? Have not heard a peep about this billion dollars. He used to say, you know, every day we are spending $150,000 in inter-est. Then it went up to $200,000 and we got lam …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It is] $300,000. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: [It is] $300,000 what, per year?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Per month. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Per month! I had to say per year because I am sure the listening public think it has to be a year. How much is a new ferry? We have heard today that you had a Minister, a Government Minister, spend $40,000 …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises — Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I do not know what — Bermuda House of Assembly The Deputy Speaker: Member, you have — Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is? POINT O F ORDER Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: [It is] $30,000.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Oh, $30,000. Thank you very much. The Chair — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, okay. All right. Let us talk about that one. It was only $30,000 for one trip. Okay. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Point of order.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is — Member, I cannot have two people standing. Thank you. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Just a matter of clarif ication. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No, no, no, no, no, no. No, it is a p oint of order —you cannot —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Either it is a point of clarification — Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: [It was] $36,000 —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Member, have a seat. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —in London. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. See, Madam, the reason I said $40,000, Okay, let us clarify it. Thi rty-five thousand dollars, or the Minister just said $36,000, but how about the $5,000 for the unused room? …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, $2,000 a meeting. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: No a bad pull, $2,000 a meeting. That is more than my QC lawyer. Two thousand dollars a meeting! That is if they had 10. Now, they might have had eight —then that number goes up. Let us hope they …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker St. David’s. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: St. David’s, St. George’s — you know, okay, sorry, sorry. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, all right, but you’re out on the East End and it is important, that hot el. I know it is because I remember …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker [You have] 10 minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, 10 minutes. Now, we have heard already from the other side, we will hear some more tonight because I reckon we will be here till one or two o’clock this morning, maybe later. But we have heard from the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What a revelation. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is a revelation. We built Loughlands houses up by Paraquet for our peo-ple. Perimeter Lane, another group of houses, geared- to-income—first time in our history. Those folks at Perimeter Lane— geared- to-income. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Five minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Five minutes. What the people of this country have to ask is, Does this OBA Government really care for me? It is time for assessment. Election year is upon us. Silly season is going to get ripe. They have already started. And …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 7. You have the floor. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker . Madam Deputy Speaker, before I get into my remarks about the Budget which is what we are here to debate tonight, I just want …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I never called his name in tal king about his trip to Rio. That was probably another $30,000.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The $40,000 I was talking about —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. Not a statement — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —Patricia Gordon- Pamplin.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I got it. Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Honourable Member is just co nfused. He is confused. I am not confused. I am going to set the record straight. On page 4 of the Opposition’s Reply, the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker And your point of order is? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: He is certainly misleading the House, Mada m Deputy Speaker, because there is a big difference between what I said, being proud of what we have done with the money to accumulate that debt …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: That Honourable Member thinks he is clever. Debt is debt. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: It has to be paid for.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I really only want to hear one voice. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Debt has to be paid for. There is a bill that comes due and the debt that that Honourable— he is over there laughing because he knows. He is a business man. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Sylvan D. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The mecca. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: The mecca. [Laughter] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: But that Honourable Member pulled me aside, he said, You know, Syl, we are glad we lost this last election. Ha, ha, ha. Best thing that could happen because we are a Labour Government and …
The Speaker The Speaker The Speaker asked them all to be qu iet. They better be quiet. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. You better. [Laughter] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I appreciate that, Mr. Speaker, because this is your House. [Laughter] Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Fourteen years, Mr. Speaker, to deal with income inequality. And I was not even involved in politics at the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Finish up. Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: They want me to finish because the truth is an offence, but not a sin, Mr. Speaker . The truth is an offence, but not a sin. The Honourable Finance Minister, Bob Ric hards, I have seen this gentleman hold us all to …
The Speaker The Speaker Four minutes and— Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Okay, Mr. Speaker . With your indulgence, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to read some quick quotes from individuals in Bermuda who have looked at this OBA Budget and given their views on it. One that really struck me when I …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members — Hon. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Thank you. You have been interpolating trying to take me off my stride. You know, Mr. Speaker, Craig Simmons of the Bermuda College, where I went to school and who I always had a lot of respect for said, “ …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, MP Wayne Furbert. You have the floor . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, let me first say that I heard the Honourable Member from constituency 7 mention that …
The Speaker The Speaker I really appreciate it, Honourable Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am really disappointed that the room is pretty well empty. As you know, I hoped to sing to a larger audience. But I am going to imagine that there are thousands of people listening on the air tonight to …
The Speaker The Speaker You remember that? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I sure do. It was terrible. It was a terrible day, Mr. Speaker . [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The United Bermuda Party did not lose the election in 1998 because they were not running an efficient and proper economy. T here …
The Speaker The Speaker I think you need to fix that, now. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Complete the sentence: It was a terr ible day for me. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Say that, “ for me”—meaning you. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It was a very good day! And, Mr. Speaker, but everybody talked about how bad things will be the next day, Mr. Speaker . I woke up and the sun was out! Everything was going to fall in — …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Or Paris. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Or whatever, or Paris. But Bermuda is a safe haven. Mr. Speaker, if you read from the PLP [Reply], it talks about creating jobs. And it talks about creating jobs in so many different ways. Mr. Speaker, how much time do I have left?
The Speaker The Speaker You have 10 minutes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Okay. So they talk about creating jobs in so many different ways. The agenda for growth, tax reform (the first one) they talk about . . 812 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly . and the tax reform, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member . Any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency — Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: [Constituency] 19, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker —number 19, the Minister for Health and Seniors, and you have 20 minutes because we have had seven hours of debate. Hon. Jeanne J. Ath erden: Okay, thank you, Mr. Speaker . First of all, Mr. Speaker, I am really pleased that I am following that Honourable Member— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, we have had seven hours of debate. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: —that just sat down b ecause where he has finished is a good place for me to start.
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. I think some people are not clear. The debate started this morning when the Leader of the Opposition gave his speech, all right?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. I am s orry.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you very much. Just so I make it clear. Carry on. Carry on, please. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Twenty minutes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all, I want to say that I am really pleased that I am following the Honourable Member that just …
The Speaker The Speaker That is in the Budget Book? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: In the Budget Book. If you go to page B -333, you will actually see that there is . . . under the Ministry of Economic Development Headquarters [Head 95], there is a performance measure, and it actually talks about …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: If I recall, that o nly has to do with international business. It does not have to do with local business, which the Opposition Leader was talk-ing about.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I don’t take the point of order. The concierge service was dealing with international business — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: —and as it goes forward, it is not suggested here which way this bureaucracy was going …
The Speaker The Speaker Nine. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Nine, okay. What I do not want to do is go through and talk a lot about what they are not doing. But I do want to make sure that I make the people of Bermuda know that some of these things, as it relates …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You can come back next year. Hon. J eanne J. Atherden: No, I won’t come back next year; but I will make sure that I use my time. Oh, I know.There are two things that I want to talk about. There was the talk about the Zika virus and the …
The Speaker The Speaker You have two minutes. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. —nutrition information is put in their stores so that when they go and buy products, they know what is go od for them, they know things about salt and 816 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26, MP Neville Tyrrell. You have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyr rell Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And good evening everyone. Mr. Speaker, it is really hard to follow such eloquent Government -in-waiting speakers because they have already said most of the things that I have in my notes, but I will still persevere. Before I start, please allow me to make one …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, let me start with a quote. Politics is like football; if you see daylight, go through the hole. John F. Kennedy. Mr. Speaker, I believe the One Bermuda Alliance has misunderstood that quote. The light that they are seeing, is that train coming down the track at them. …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Minister.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Honourable Minister . . . such a friend of mine, Mr. Speaker, that I lost my train [of thought] that time. I am also sort of curious that the Honourable Economic Minister, from constituency 22, seems to be taking over the conductorship of the OBA choir in Bermuda House of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Change the words.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Change the words or som ething, I do not know. But you cannot keep blaming us for everything. And then what really amazes me is that I also get the Honourable Minister from constituency 23, I wanted to say, Well, let’s sing Kumbaya together. I mean, you cannot flog us …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell At least someone got that. Let me also say that an earlier , in fact, I think one of the newest Ministers, from constituency 2, I believe she is from, said that, Oh, eat a chocolate a day. That is when we were talking about the amount of money that …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Minister for Education from constituency 8, Minister Cole Simons. You have the floor. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you have said, we have had a long day so I will not …
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t tell me that unless you mean it. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I do mean it.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: I read the Opposition Leader’s, the Shadow Finance Minister’s Budget [Reply] with interest and intrigue. I have to admit the delivery was first class. I mean, you probably could not find a more eloquent speaker in this House. But be that as it …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fairer. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: And they say, Fairer i ncome. To me, Mr. Speaker, again, you are talking about people’s income. So you want more fairer situa-tions, you want to tax that income, it is the income tax. You cannot have it any other way, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. Take you seat a second, please. Yes? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Well, I believe the Minister is misleading the House. Certainly, what is in the doc-ument clearly calls for a bipartisan committee com-prised of both political parties and stakeholders, and talks about that potential tax being one that would be directed toward, mainly, persons who own commercial property and [have] extensive …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Go ahead, Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: That supports my arg ument. Mr. Speaker, then I go to page 13 and they talk about immigration. Now, Mr. Speaker, the imm igration issues that they say . . . and if you give me a second, …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I believe the Member has mislead the House in part. The Caroline Bay deve lopment began under the PLP Government.
The Speaker The Speaker Oh, okay.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Certainly, they have—
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes, it s tarted under . Carry on, Minister. Hon. N. H. Cole Simons: Thank you very much. Now, Mr. Speaker, as you know, I recently have taken over the role of Education Minister. One of the things that kept recurring in my mind …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, sorry, but that is your time. Sorry. I did not give you the two- minute warning. Thank you, Minister Simons. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 3, the Shadow Minister for Education, MP Lovitta Foggo. You have the floor.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good evening, Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, I am glad to stand as a Member of the Progressive Labour Party to speak to what we have described as the People’s Budget. Because, indeed, Mr. Speaker, it is the People’s Budget. I am a member of a Government -to-be …
The Speaker The Speaker Two minutes.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Wow! Twenty minut es went that fast, Mr. Speaker? He said that he believed that building school buildings can be raised, that there is $90 million out there to build new buildings. Well, Mr. Speaker, the Progressive Labour Party will be realistic, we understand what is needed first, and that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of [Public] Works, from constituency [12]. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has kind of tamed out now , which probably is a good thing as we move on into the evening. One of the good …
The Speaker The Speaker You have two minutes. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: Two minutes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, I go back to the fact that our borrowing ability, Mr. Speaker, our increase ratings, are directly connected to our ability to balance the budget. You can talk race, and you can talk all kinds …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member O oh. Hon. L. Craig Cannonier: And we do not want to go there, so do not go there. Stick to what is important — balancing the Budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 21. MP Rolfe Commi ssiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member from constituency 12, who just took his seat, he does talk about race, but always in a very reactionary way, much like his colleague from constituency 7, in a way that almost places the onus of these issues of income and inequality and racial …
The Speaker The Speaker You have about a minute and 20 seconds.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you. But you will note, Mr. Speaker, that during the time of the Pathways to Status protest there was an agreement made between the Government and the representative of the various groups including the union, that were at the forefront, the vanguard of that protest. And one of the …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Twenty seconds. Well, I am going to have to try to get some of this in at some ot her time, but I just want to say again, we have a changing strategic environment. I would like to see this Government recognise that the old status quo and the entrenched …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good evening to you. Good evening Bermuda.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Today, Mr. Speaker, earlier this morning, our Leader brought forward our vision, the People’s Budget . It is a framewo rk, a blueprint for our vision, our priorities and our values in terms of how we will govern once successful in the next election. Mr. Speaker, it is clear that …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Spider -Man. Ooh. Mr. Speaker, it is the PLP that believes that taxes should be fair in this country. It is the One Bermuda Alliance that will fight to protect the wealthy and privileged from paying their fair share. That is a fundamental difference, Mr. Speaker. They will fight for …
The Speaker The Speaker You’ve got two minutes.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons We will reverse the OBA’s crippling 53 per cent tax on fuel hikes, and we will do so much more. Mr. Speaker, the PLP of 2017 is very different from the PLP of 1998. The PLP of 2017 has two Members, three Members left from the class of 1998. But, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good evening to you and colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I listened intently to most of this debate and to the Honourable Member who just took his seat, I recall very clearly he talked about values and priorities. And I wondered when he said those two words how they shift like the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Unparliamentary language] Hon. E. David Burt: I believe in referring to your rulings that it is unparliamentary language. And if the Premier has specific allegations of times where people have said things that are not true, I would ask him to speak them.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Carry on. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is not a point of order. I will carry on. Mr. Speaker, payroll tax. Let me just go through these numbers again. And then somebody on the other side has pooh- poohed this, but for anyone earning less than …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Premier is mi sleading the House. He just said that the Opposition castigated the payroll tax changes. Please let him say where that happened.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. 834 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Berm uda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I will conti nue on. That is not a point of order, again. The Honourable Member should just sit down and listen, Mr. Speaker, because— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Come on, come one, Members. [Gavel] Hon . Michael H. Dunkley: Truth hurts, Mr. Speaker. Truth hurts. Now, we heard a lot of comment about cost of living. [Inau dible interjections] Hon . Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker, while they get aggravated over there, I will continue on.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, Roban. Please. Hon . Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, if he does not like to hear what I have to say, I will continue on. We heard a lot of talk about cost of living, Mr. Speaker. And here is what I am sure that many pe ople …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, thank you. Hon . Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I did read the whole Reply. So that is not a point of order either. Now, Mr. Speaker, obviously they are jumping up so much I must be getting underneath their skin. Now, Mr. Speaker, let’s talk about jobs. …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members! Honourable Member. Hon . Michael H. Dunkley: I have a thick skin. But when they want to go low —
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, I will tell you again, you had a whole two hours and I made ever ybody keep their lips tight while you were speaking. Premier. Hon . Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now, there was a lot of talk about jobs. Well, Mr. Speaker, my honour …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: The Premier is once again engaging in revisionist history, going from 2004 to 2012 when talking about GDP from 2004 to 2008. Get it together, please, Mr. Premier.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. Mic hael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, that is not a point of order again. Maybe it is late at night and he cannot follow it, but, Mr. Speaker, it is very clear. In 2004 to 2012 the jobless rate went up, and in 2004 to 2008 the economy …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Premier is misleading the House. He just again said from 2004 to 2008 the economy was growing and then he says from 2004 to 2012 the unemployment rate increased. He cannot compare two different periods of time, compare …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, he can, but it — [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Well absolutely. But that . . . so he, the Honourable Member can say that — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member has had a long day, so he might not r eally be listening tonight. So, it is very clear that as the Opposition talk about …
The Speaker The Speaker Two minutes, Mr. Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It goes on. Mr. Speaker, as I close let me just deal wi th public sector reform for a bit. We have done a tr emendous job on public sector reform in making sure that we have made it more efficient and …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Premier. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 15, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, MP Roban.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will first congratulate my colleague and Leader, the Shadow Minister of Finance, Honourable David Burt, constituency 18, for presenting an outstanding Budget Reply. I perhaps think that the Government does not quite understand the Opposition, Mr. Speaker. They do not quite seem to understand that …
Mr. Walter H. Roban I said I believe. I didn’t say I know, I said I believe, Mr. Speaker, for those chirping on the other side. So, Mr. Speaker, here we are. The Gover nment has come forth with a Budget. And I again would just go back to what my Leader has presented …
The Speaker The Speaker Two minutes.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Not that, Oh, I’m here in anot her environment to learn and grow and experience and I will be openly responsible for what I do and the path I take. That is the human experience. You do not always go back and say, Oh, well, the Devil made me do …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member .
Mr. Walter H. Roban —be the Government they should be. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Finance to bring this debate to a close. Twenty minutes. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I must say, Mr. Speaker, that was a very amusing speech. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, robotic trouble. Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Minister is misleading the House. He knows full well, when he says that he should say that increased by a smaller percentage. But he cannot say every year it increased by a smaller absolute number.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I do not recall even sa ying the word absolute number. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The percentage of i ncrease has gone by a smaller and smaller amount. We are talking about percentage. The percentage has …
The Speaker The Speaker Three minutes, Honourable Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay. Let me just move down to the end, then, Mr. Speaker. I had other things to say, but you have me under close scrutiny. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, I am making a per iod of adjustment …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I would like the Honourable Mi nister of Finance to point to anywhere inside of our Budget [Reply] where we said anything about taxing residential rents.
The Speaker The Speaker All right, thank you, Honourable Member— Hon. E. David Burt: We spoke specifically to those persons w ho own properties on Front Street. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, they have crossed that line— [General uproar] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: —and once you cross that line, did you …
The Speaker The Speaker There is no point of order on that, Honourable Member.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There is no point of order. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: If you don’t know that, go look at economic history. That is a fact. And this country has been stuck with income tax ever since b ecause they crossed that line. These guys —excuse me, the Opposition—are proposing to …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, you’re not talking about income tax, right? Hon. E. David Burt: No, no, no, no, no.
The Speaker The Speaker Quickly, quickly. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Minister can say what he likes. Our plans are very clearly laid out that we will have a Tax Reform Co mmission.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Carry on, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: He is wasting my time, Mr. Speaker. Also the Honourable Member said that he wanted to have consumption taxes. But, of course, we know that custom duties are consumption taxes. So we already have that. All right? We …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: With that, I would like to move that the House now resolve itself into Commi ttee of Supply to consider the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2017/18.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? So, we will . . . Deputy Speaker, do you want to come to the Chair for a second? House in Committee at 11:13 pm [Mrs. Su zann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2017/18
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further discussion on the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2017/18. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would like to move Heads 2 and 63, the …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise and report for Monday. Are there any objections to that motion? There are no objections. Agreed. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Just a …
The Chairman Chairman I will have to — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Is there a presentation and then questions back and forth? Does that fall underneath—
The Chairman Chairman I . . . as it does not fall under any mi nistry— Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —ministry, that is why I ask the question.
The Chairman Chairman As it does not fall under the Head . . . hold on one moment. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is non- ministry.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. One second. It is a non- ministry. The following departments do not belong to a designated ministry and they are combined under this heading for presentation purposes only. Each of the six departments shown (and they will be listed) has its own separate objective and does not fall within …
The Chairman Chairman No, I cannot at this particular point in time. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is what I would like to know so that I can prepare for Monday.
The Chairman Chairman Based on the fact that — Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Does it mean that I read the brief and then that’s it?
The Chairman Chairman You would be presenting us with a brief for us to listen to. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And what happens after that, Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman They would be able . . . (will they be able to ask questions?)
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, if th ere are questions. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And who answers the questions, Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Premier, as the Speaker approved of allowing this particular non -ministry head to be deba ted, I will refer back to the Speaker of the House who appro ved it to get further reference. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay. I just want to make sure we are clear for Monday.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, very much. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I move we go back to the House.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. House resumed 11:16 pm [Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2017/18
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you Honourable Members. The Committee has asked to rise and report progress. I will recognise th e Honourable Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move we adjourn to Monday, 6 March 2017.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The House is adjourned (and I am so happy to see that we are out of here before midnight) to Monday, 6 March 2017. [Gavel] [At 11:17 pm, the House adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 6 March 2017.] 844 3 March 2017 Official Hansard Report Berm uda House …
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