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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 4, 2016
Session 2015/2016
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401 speeches from 20 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Members, we have confirmation of the Minutes of February the 29th. Members should have received the Minutes. And if there are no objections or corrections, the Minutes are confirmed. [Minutes of 29 February 2016 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Members, MPs Weeks, Scott and Burgess are still absent. Also, Members, we have in the Gallery three students from Elliot Primary School visiting us with their teacher, Ms. Shawnette Brangman, and other adults who are escorting them. [Desk thumping] MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise first the Mini ster of Finance. Honourable E. T. Richards, you have the floor. GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT REGUL ATIONS 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation and in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will now recognise the Minister for Health. You will stand for her? Yes, Minister Gordon - Pamplin will fill in for Minister Atherden. Hon. P atricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. PROTECTED SPECIES AMENDMENT ORDER 2016 Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the substantive Minister, the Honourable Member, Minister J . J. Atherden, Minister of Health, Seniors and the Environment, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Do you have a second Order? FISHERIES (PROTECTED SPECIES) AMENDMENT ORDER 2016 Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, thank, Mr. Speaker. Again on behalf of the substantive Minister, the Honourable Member J. J. Atherden, Minister of Health, Seniors and the Environment, I have the honour to attach …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituenc y 6, MP Wayne Furbert. RESPONSE TO THE REPORT OF THE AUDITOR GENERAL ON THE CONSOLIDATED FUND F INANCIAL YEARS MARCH 31ST, 2010/11 AND MARCH 31ST, 2012 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. We did have responses to questions from W. H. Roban, and the written responses from Junior Minister Richards that should have been received by Mr. W. H. Roban. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member, Dr. Grant Gibbons, Minister of Ec onomic Development. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning to ask that congratulations be sent to Mr. Craig Bridgewater and a number of colleagues, who hav e started …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Gibbons. The Chair will recogni se the Minister. Minister Patricia Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is with profound regret that I ask that this Honourable House join me in sending condolences to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13, MP Rabain.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course, I would like to have a letter of congratulations sent to the Elliot Primary School for apBermuda House of Assembly pearing in these Chambers today. As you may know, I am the PTA President of Elliot P rimary. It is very nice to see …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain He wrote it 30 years ago. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Just hold on. Just hold on. The Chair will now recognise the Minister for Tourism. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise on a sad note, to invite the Honourable House to send a letter of condolences to the family of Mr. Jasmine “Jazz” …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable and Learned Member from constituency 36. MP M ichael Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, certainly I would like to be ass ociated with the condolence message that the Minister of Tourism …
The Speaker The Speaker I think it was done before. You may associate yourself. Hon. Michael J. Scott: In which case, may I assoc iate myself with the condolences to his children, Bilal, who is an attorney, and his sisters and brothers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 18. MP David Burt, you have the floor.
Mr. E. David Burt Good morning to you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. E. David Burt Mr. Speaker, I would just rise to associate myself with the condolences that are being sent to the family of Mr. Jasmine Saltus. As Honourable Members would know, in a former and current life, I do a lot of work for the Transport Control D epartment. And I worked with …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Pr emier. Premier? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good morning, co lleagues. Having been associated with the condolences expressed by honourable colleagues, there is no nee d for me to get into that any further. But what I would like to do, Mr. Speaker, as this Honourable House sent a letter of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Premier. Are there any other Honourable Members who would care to speak? That concludes our congratulations and/or obituary speeches. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PER SONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will first recognise the Ho nourable Premi er. FIRST READINGS COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY AMENDMENT ACT 2016 REFERENDUM (SAME- SEX RELATIONSHIPS) ACT 2016 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the following Bills for their first reading so that they may be placed on the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Premier. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister of Finance, E. T. Richards. GOVERNMENT LOANS AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you again, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the following Bill, which, according to section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, requires the Governor’s …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chair will now recognise the Minister of Economic Development, Dr. Gibbons. CONTRACTS (RIGHTS OF THIRD PARTIES) ACT 2016 Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister, Minister Atherden. You have the floor. HEALTH INSURANCE AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Members. The Chair will now recognise the Minister for Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House now resumes into the Committee of Supply to consider the estimates for the Fiscal Year 2016/17.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If there are no objections, let the Deputy Speaker please take the Chair [of Committee of Supply]. House in Committee at 10:25 am [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser , Chairman ] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2016/17 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Comm ittee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditures for the Year 2016/17, Finance Heads 10, 11, 12, 38 and 58. I now call on the Minister in charge to pr oceed. Minister, you have the floor. MINISTRY OF …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The kids are back. There you go. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: It is not the kids. [Laughter] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Also, in section C on pages C -10 (Capital Acquisitions) and C -16 (Grants). Madam Chairman, the overall purpose of the Ministry of Finance is to supervise …
The Chairman Chairman Member, would you like to have a seat and we will recognise the Premier? Or are you finishing? I am not sure where you are. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Well, I can stop here,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Fine. Then the Chair recognises the Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that we now adjourn for lunch.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that we now adjourn for lunch. The House will resume again at two o’clock. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:28 pm Proceedings re sumed at 2:02 pm [Mr. Rolfe Commissiong, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE & EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2016/17 MINISTRY OF FINANCE [Continuation …
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now resuming our deliberations in the Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure. Mr. Finance Minister, are you prepared to r esume your presentation? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I am.
The Chairman Chairman You have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, sir. 1070 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly I am continuing with the Office of the Tax Commissioner and we are looking at the brief for the Capital Acquisition, which has to do with a …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Minister, I cannot find this . . . can you just tell us where you are at, I had just gotten into the Chair. So you are on page — Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay, I am at —
The Chairman Chairman —and referring to? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: —page C -10. The Chair man: [Page] C -10, okay. Thank you. You may resume. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Page C -10 and lastly of those points, Mr. Chairman: • To incorporate new business processes more effectively. And why are we …
The Chairman Chairman Are there other Members that wish to speak to these Heads —the Ministry of Finance? The Chair now recognises the Shadow Mini ster of Finance, the Honourable David Burt.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I understand that I do not hav e a lot of time and I want to give the Minister time to r espond, so my comments will not be as expansive as I would have liked them to be. However, I do have a …
Mr. E. David Burt Pardon me? How important it was, Minister . . . that is what it is? No problem. Well, we can have a debate because as I am talking, I will ask if I could yield to the Minister of F inance, because the Minister of Finance says that, you know, …
Mr. E. David Burt I appreciate the Minister’s defin ition. And the reason why I say I appreciate the Mini ster’s definition is due to the quarterly GDP figures that were released from the Department of Statistics. There was two consecutive year -over-year growth in real GDP in 2010. Therefore, it would then seem …
The Chairman Chairman Just address the Chair, Shadow F inance Minister. Address the Chair.
Mr. E. David Burt I appreciate the interpolation b ecause it is very good. Yes, be careful because the Financial Secretary may correct you. So we hear the thing about the Junior Minister of Finance did not have access to those statistics before, the answer is no. The Department of Statistics does not release …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The Ministry of Education.
Mr. E. David Burt Yes. Continuing back on this Head because I do think that it is particularly interesting because, again . . . again, we talk about the two- track strategy the Minister continues to talk about. And we note that last year the Minister said we would have a three- year plan …
Mr. E. David Burt That is what Junior Ministers do sometimes. They write reports. They do not sit in Cabinet. But what is important is that inside of that prebudget report it stated, it talked about the best way about going, about reducing Government spending and increasing efficiency. And it spoke very plainly to …
Mr. E. David Burt Sorry? Quite a few, quite a few, I am running. I am running. See what I am saying?. I had to condense my comments because you spoke for so long, Minister. [Inaudible interjection and laughter]
Mr. E. David Burt For so long. But what I would say is that I am pleased that the Minister of Finance has finally decided to speak about something that we have been speaking about on this side for three years, and that is the Bermuda Fund. And it was quite interesting that the …
The Chairman Chairman If I m ay, Minister, we only have about five or six minutes left. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay. Let me start with easy ones. We certainly intend to publish the CARTAC report, but we did not want to publish it before the Government said what it was going …
Mr. E. David Burt Yes. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: We do not buy crude i n Bermuda, we buy petroleum products and the price of the petroleum products that we buy is a function of how much they can get, the petroleum product that we use here on- Island. So, you know, we …
Mr. E. David Burt Bermuda Fund. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Oh, Bermuda Fund, right. Yes, I believe that we have a concentration, an over concentration, of risk with pension funds investing in their own countries. I am aware of the kind of . . . not that I will say it would happen …
The Chairman Chairman Finance Minister, are you now pr epared to move the respective Heads? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I would like to move Heads —can you help me out, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman We have been in consideration of Heads 10, 11, 12, 38 and 58. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Okay. I would like to move Heads 10, 11, 12, 38, 58 and 59 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Members, the Finance Minister has sought to have approval to move Heads 10, 11, 12, 38, 58 and 59. Are there any objections? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman.
The Chairman Chairman No objections. [Gavel]
The Chairman Chairman Agreed to. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Finance, Heads 10, 11, 12, 38, 58 and 59 are approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2016/17.]
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are still in Committee of Supply in consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year. We now will be considering the Ministry of Education and the Chair now recognises the Minister of Education Mr. Wayne Scott. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman You can carry on, Minister. Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to point out that I have given my Shadow Minister a copy of my brief so that she can follow along. Mr. Chairman— [Gavel]
The Chairman Chairman Members, can you just keep it down a little bit, sotto voce ? Thank you. Hon. R. Wayne Scott: —I present the budget for the Ministry of Education, which comprises the Ministry Headquarters, Head 16; the Department of Education, Head 17; and the Bermuda College, Head 41. Mr. Chairman, as …
Mrs. Jill Husbands . Other members of the Board are • Mr. Dane Commissiong, Deputy Chair; • Mr. Marshall Minors; • Mr. Andrew Richardson; • Mrs. Kathleen Sharpe Keene; • Mr. Zikomo Simmons; • Mr. Peter Sousa; • Mr. Bryant Trew; • Mrs. Romelle Warner; • Mrs. Valerie Robinson- James, Permanent Secretary for Education (ex officio); • Dr. Dawnnelle Walker …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Minister. I do know that you do have your always - attentive technical people here. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak to these Heads? The Chair r ecognises the Honourable Member from constituency 3, the Honourable Member Lovitta Foggo, Shadow Minister for Education. You …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the Minister for sharing his brief with me and for providing a detailed account of what is going on within our Education, both at the preschool level, the primary, secondary and at the tertiary level. In fact, I have to likewise …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo It was you, Minister? No. But I am grateful. However, I will still ask the questions that I did prepare. I also would like to at least mention the fact that we did have in our Gallery a senior educator, Deanna DeShield, who indeed taught my children as well as …
Ms. Lo vitta F. Foggo Yes. Well, let me say that when the Minister first took his feet, he did speak to the overall aims of the Ministry of Education in terms of its Mission Statement. And I guess what comes to 1102 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly my mind …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member , you might want to wait until you are recognised. You have a point of order or a point of information? Hon. R. W ayne Scott: No, I just want a point of clar ification.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. R. Wayne Scott: When you start looking at the Capital funds that have been allocated, we actually do have an additional $2 million that has been all ocated for school maintenance for the 2016/17 school year. But that is actually being allocated under the Ministry …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Minister. That is good to hear because we know that it will take even more than that to bring our schools to the state that we would like to see them. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo That is right, I agree. So I have to ask you, in the general statement with the Ministry aims and the Mission statement in mind, where are the indicators and allocations for . . . I know that you did highlight that, but what indicators have you put in place …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Honourable Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Yes, thank you. The Shadow Minister wanted me to give her immediate clarification on that. No, that was . . . remember last year we took a million dollar charge against the department’s budget for school consolida-tion. …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you. Thank you for the clarification because, as you well know when you are sharing that level of information sometimes it just gets . . . the information can cause one to become a little discombobulated, I guess. [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Well, that is a good thing. That is why I said that I believe that the acting commi ssioner had a big hand in this, so I would not have to get up and speak. Okay. Minister, I guess the second ques tion that I have to ask from that …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. Okay, thank you. See, I guess . . . I do not know, I guess I did not catch that point. But I wanted to ask all those questions because I think it is important when we talk about all the noise that we are hearing regarding e n1104 …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member —
The Chairman Chairman —which Head are you referring to?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo That was 27069 on page— [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, thank you. The Ch airman: You said a 5 per cent reduction, but it is not —
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo A 5 per cent decline in the budget. That is what it says in the book. Did I read that wrong, Mr. Chairman? Let me look at it. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Sorry. Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. I wrote that wrong. I certainly did. And so a much larger allocation—47 per cent . . . well, I would think that we would want to get all information to the public domain. Correct, Minister? And in looking at line item 27084, Alternative …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Sorry, $12,000, 1 per cent. Thank you. We have seen an increase in the number of students who need a lternative education, but yet when you look at the budget allocations, there is a deduction there. And whether we like it or not, especially when we get anecdotal evidence from …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, when there is a need to have IT specialists at every school, why, again, are we trying to, I suppose from where I sit, run it on a skeletal staffing as well as budget? Indeed, Minister, as you well know SCORE highlighted the need to have qualified staff, as …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, yes. In 27160, we were dealing with Substitute Teachers, and I did go —
The Chairman Chairman A page reference, please?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo He is making me look for it, Substitute Teachers on page B -118.
The Chairman Chairman B-118?
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo B-118, well, that is —
The Chairman Chairman Oh, right. Got it, thank you. 1106 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo: All right. You highlighted the fact that substitute teac hers, Minister, are still a cause for concern (I am par aphrasing) because of the fact that we all know …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo And looking at child develo pment and the After School Care Programmes, Mini ster, let me just remind everybody that the foundation years and those developmental years ar e paramount to the future success of our kids. And I am just going to say it like that because I think …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Page B -17. Just training overall, okay? It just says Training, and then it gives the figure, okay? And it shows that it has been reduced by $658,000, which is a 74 per cent reduction. And that just jumped out at me. [Inaudible interjection]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Excuse me, Minister? Okay. That just jumped out at m e because, again, in keeping our educators up to speed with modern practices, current trends in education and keeping them skilled and adept at what they do requires professional training. You did not say we are not going to have …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Sure, Minister. 1108 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: You will yield, Honourable Member? POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Yes, thank you, Shadow. Just to clarify something. You were asking a question earlier on 27031, School Improvement, and actually professional development is …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo And I heard you, Minister, say that. But, Minister, I have to say that professional development should always be available to those ind ividuals from whom you expect the highest level of professionalism. So, notwithstanding that, I guess you are trying to pause to measure how you think they perform. …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo I do not think I need to ask about the reduction. I was concerned when I saw that there was a reduction i n the total number of emplo yees. But you made it clear, Minister, that that mostly is owing to those who have taken early retirement and the …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, it did. It did. But . . . I know the question that I wanted to ask. With the increase in the scholarships, are we going back to the level we had at the full contingent of 1110 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly eight …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. I see that mature st udents did go up, yes, by $30,000. And I know that you only give one or two scholarships in that area. But any increase is a good thing. And I guess, while that went up by $30,000, further education awards declined by $30,000. And …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable Member. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to these heads? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13. Mr. Rabain, you have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you to my colleague for allowing me a chance to contribute to this debate. Education is something that is near and dear to my heart. As a former Government Senator, I was the Junior Minis ter for Education. So I did have some different …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member.
The Chairman Chairman I appreciate you are still on a learning curve. But you might want to refer to some heads.
Mr. Diallo V. S . Rabain Yes, yes, I will be referring to heads. But I do know that the—
The Chairman Chairman You might want to refer to the head now.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain When I am referring to a SCORE report, I am referring to the Ministry, on HQ, as the Minister did when he gave his report. That is located on pages B -110 and B -211. There is nothing on here that directly allocates to SCORE, but it was discussed during …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Okay. Well, it did not start in 1998 as well. Looking at cost centre 27001, we are talking about the Commissioner, page B -114— the Office of the Commissioner. We have this ongoing commi ssioner thing—ongoing commissioner —and it is just something that needs to be handled and something that …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Now, moving on to the D epartment of Education and, again, we are talking about pages B-113 all the way through to B-122. When out there with our teachers and with our parents who do have their children in public school , you have to understand we all need to …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Yes? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: I am not sure what page the Honourable Member is looking at, but he is misleading the House. The teacher training awards have not gone down at all. They were budgeted at $60,000 in 2015/16 and they are budgeted …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly the same. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Exactly the same.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I thank the Minister for pointing that out, but what I am referring to is the revised estimate for last year. The revised estimate was $70,000. We can play hocus -pocus with the numbers but— POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Point of clarification just to help the Member …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Looking at page C -16, Teacher Training Awards, it has the revised estimate for 2015/16 at $70,000, which is $10,000 more. I am ref erring to the revised estimate. I know what we estimated last year but according to the book what we actually spent …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain It should be about 30 mi nutes. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Well, the last thing I want to talk about is the Bermuda College and that can be found on page B -123. I know there has been discussion about creating a four -year institution and the like. I know I have been in various discussions about that. I really do …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain It is something that could work. I think it is something that we can definitely at least take a look at. We have programmes at the Bermuda College that are affiliated with other univers ities. Why can we not have a reinsurance institute set up at the Bermuda College? Now …
The Chairman Chairman Is there an yone else that would like to speak? Minister? Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I have to take my hat off to the Shadow Mini ster. I think we have had a very good quality debate and I want to answer some of her …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Point of i nformation. Hon. R. Wayne Scott: I do not need a point of information.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I am asking for a point of information.
The Chairman Chairman No. Sit down.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I am asking for a point of information. I w ant clarity. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. R. Wayne Scott: In any event, Madam Chai rman, it is in the Budget Book on page C -65. I will not digress. Let me focus on answering some of the questions that were asked …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Point of clarification, Minister, just briefly. Madam C hairman? Yes?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you may speak. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay, thank you. I was ju st speaking specifically to the Ministry and providing some form of financial assistance. Bermuda College can do their thing; but I believe that the Ministry should also have something in place to sort of make certain that our children are not denied.
The Chairman Chairman Minister? Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Considering that Bermuda Co llege gets the lion's share of the funds from the Mini stry, we are actually providing that. But I agree, act ually, that it can be improved. Certainly , I have my views on that and we have talked about that …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 16, 17 and 41 be approved. Is there any objection to that motion? Bermuda House of Assembly No objection. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Education, Heads 16, 17 and 41 were approved and stand part of the Est imates of Revenue …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you , Honourable Members. W e have concluded Order No. 1 for today. O rder Nos. 2 through 7 are carried over. I s that correct? The Chair will now recognis e the Minister for Finance. Minister Bob Richards , you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Any objections to that? Please carry on. ORDER GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY (FEES) O RDER 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob ) Richards: Mr. Speaker the pur pose of the order entitled the G overnment Authority (Fees) Order 2016 is to include the insurance appeals tribunal as a government …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recogni se the Honourable Member from —who is getting up? Hon. Michael J. Scott: There is no objection to this .
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. The Chair will recognise the H onou rable and Learned number from constituency 36. You have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Speaker, on beh alf of the Shadow Minister for F inance, there is no objection to this consideration of this.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable M ember . Any other on Honourable Member care to speak? Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, I move that the bill now be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker It is an Order so you just moved that it pass. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I move then that the Order be —
The Speaker The Speaker Approved — Hon. E . T. (Bob) Richards: —approved by the House.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any objections to that? There are no objections. The G overnment Authorities Fees O rder 2016 is approved. 1118 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Also that a mes sage, Honourable Member, should be sent to the Governor on this matter. [Motion carried: The Government Authority (Fees ) Order 2016 was approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker Order No. 9 is carried over. O rder No. 10, again in the name of the Minister of Finance Government (Fees) Amendment Act 2016. You have the floor, M inister. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, it must be your lucky day.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. BILL SECOND READING GOVERNMENT (FEES) AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, the Government wishes t he Hono urable House to give consideration to the B ill entitled the G overnment (Fees) Amendment Act 2016. The purpose of this Bill is to amend the Government (Fees …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker Just before you start (MP Burt will have the floor next), I just want to take a mo ment to recognise Senator [Georgia] Marshall who is in the Gallery. [Desk thumping] [Second Reading debate on the Government (Fees) Amendment Act 2016, continuing]
The Speaker The Speaker MP Burt, you have the floor.
Mr. E. David Burt Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening.
Mr. E. David Burt Mr. Speaker, I thank the Minister for his introduction in the Bill. There is not much that we can object to here. There is, however, one thing inside of the Minister’s speech which I think requires clarificat ion. Mr. Speaker, you may remember —not reflec ting on a debate, but …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Burt. The Chair will recognise the A ttorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Shadow Finance statement represent ative has any cases he wants to bring forward, I would just ask him to bring to my attention any negative resolution enactments which …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Attorney General. Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker, if there are no other comments, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. It has been moved that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that? Would the Deputy [Speaker] please take the Chair [of Committee]? House in Committee [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL GOVERNMENT (FEES) AMENDMENT ACT 2016
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill enti tled Government (Fees) Amendment Act 2016 . I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chair man. Madam Chairman, …
The Chairman Chairman Correct. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Clause 1 prov ides the citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends the Government Fees Act 1965 by inserting a new section 2A. The new section empowers the Minister of Finance, on application, to waive a particular government fee after consulting the Minister responsible …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 and 2? There are no Members. Minister, please pr oceed. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chair, I move clauses 1 and 2.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that cl auses 1 and 2 be approved as printed. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 1 and 2 passed.] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move the Preamble.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Madam Chairman, I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bi ll be reported to the House as printed. Any objections to that motion? No objections . Agreed to. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Government (Fees) Amendment Act 2016 was considered by a Committee of t …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, the Government (Fees) Amendment Act 2016 has been approved as printed. We go now to the rest of the . . . I am told that all of the Government Orders are carried over. Is that correct? Yes. All right. Opposition, any matters you are taking up? [Inaudible …
The Speaker The Speaker No? So we move back to the Minister for Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Your third reading. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: I would like to move, Mr. Speaker, that [Standing Order] 21 be suspended.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Are there any objections to that? There are none. Minister? [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended] BILL THIRD READING GOVERNMENT (FEES) AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker , I move that the Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker It has been moved that the Gover nment (Fees) Amendment Act 2016 be pass ed. Are there any objections to that? There are none. [Motion carried: The Government Fees Amendment Act 2016 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Premier? Bermuda House of Assembly ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good even ing, Mr. Speaker . I move that we now adjourn until next Mo nday.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member . . . Mr. De Silva you are in a dark seat in the corner, I did not even see you. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, black is the colour today, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Black is the colour every day. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Sorry about that. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is okay, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjection] CAMP HILL ROAD INTERSECTION Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I rise tonight . . . I have a few things on the agenda, Mr. Speaker. One of them being a very …
The Speaker The Speaker Just one moment, Member. I cannot hear you. All right. Thanks. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The reason I bring this up tonight, Mr. Speaker, is because we have had a loss of life on that little dangerous corner , and the Minister has said that there were already …
Mr. Zane J. S. De Silva Earlier this week , Mr. Speaker, there was an op -ed by Junior Minister Sy lvan Richards. The headline was this, if you do not mind, Mr. Speaker , 2“opposition’s truth deficit is gro wing.” [Inaudible int erjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That was a good op-ed. The …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper m otive ] Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr: That Honourable gentleman is imputing improper motive by suggesting that I did not write the article. I did write the article.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, okay, that is good to know, Mr. Speaker, because then he might want to have a little rebuttal tonight, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the things he said in his article was that Mr. Famous “t …
Mr. Zane J. S. De Silva Mr. Speaker , you will recall the OBA said that they were going to hold a referendum on gaming. Why did they cancel that, Mr. Speaker? We had OBA come to this H ouse and say that they had word that the PLP were going to under-mine it. So their …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It was fixing your mess. [Laught er] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So, Mr. Speaker, let us talk about some of the other things they have done. You ask why is there a trust deficit against the OBA. Let us talk about it. You remember Jetgate, Mr. Speaker, and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nothing at all. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Nothing at all. What happened, Mr. Speaker? Mr. Speaker, you remember Lamb Foggo? They were going to shut that down, Mr. Speaker. Suppose they said they were going to shut that down prior to the election in 2012. Mr. Speaker, there …
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 7, the Junior Mi nister Sylvan Richards. ROYAL GAZETTE: “OPPOS ITION’S TRUTH DEF ICIT IS GROWING” Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That Honourable Member from [constit uency] 29 has made some serious accusations against me, trying …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You should not be discussing it! Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I am discussing it ! Because this gentlem an tried to impugn my integrity! [Inaudible interjection s] Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: So I found out at the same time that they found out. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael J. Scott: The Junior Minister of Imm igration and Boundaries Commissioner . . . I have li stened to him, but I have the sense that as a commi ssioner we should not be discussing in the public d omain much of …
The Speaker The Speaker Right. I ta ke that point, Honourable Member. I take that point. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member Scott, take your seat please. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 7 again, and Honourable Member, you should not be specific. You can certainly make mention of . . . but certainly stay away from any specifics. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You were about to! Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: All I said is that we found out at the same time. So they know what I know. That is all I am trying to say. So, Mr. Speaker, I stand behind my article. Mr. Chris Famous is a political writer …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 17, MP Walton Brown. You have the floor. CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AND THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I feel compelled to rise to my feet this evening to speak on two interrelated matters. One involves the relevance of civil disobedience today and secondly on this volatile path that the Gover nment is taking with respect to immigration reform. Mr. Speaker, earlier …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, let me just r emind you of the fact that you have a motion on the floor of the House that is requesting that very thing. So just be mindful. I am allowing a bit of a leeway, but we do have a motion which in fact says …
Mr. Walton Brown I wrote the motion. I know.
The Speaker The Speaker You know better than me.
Mr. Walton Brown I will know, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker But, however, I think you understand that it is —
Mr. Walton Brown Yes. Let me just respond to the comments made by my Honourable friend. We have been friends for 40- odd years —still are. But we have fundamental disagreements on this issue. I do not know if it is naiveté. I d o not know if it is wilful ign orance. …
Mr. Walton Brown I will explain in a minute. I will explain it very shortly because the Minister for Imm igration said he recognised that in the 1960s and 1970s Immigration policy was used f or political purposes where someone could be granted status wit hout even applying for it. The Minister for …
Mr. Walton Brown I read an e- mail out a couple of weeks ago from a young lady who, hav ing been frustrated over not being able to find work for four years, has left this Island. What do we get from this Gover nment? Nothing. Nothing for the people. Nothing for the …
Mr. Walton Brown Of course, it is not the reason that is being put forth. You would not be that stupid. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton Brown You would not be that silly. It is reminiscent of the 1960s and 1970s. Do you know what is worse, Mr. Speaker? What is worse is that there may well be some great intentions from some Members on that side. There may well be. The problem, Mr. Speaker, is that …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Walton Brown —this is what we are going to have.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, you are really going right into what you are—
Mr. Walton Brown Mr. Speaker, these are critical —
The Speaker The Speaker I understand that. But you have the motion on and I think, Honourable Member, you know, you will have a moment . . . you can do it next week or at the next meeting.
Mr. Walton Brown It may be too late. The Gover nment may be intending to propose legislation on Monday.
The Speaker The Speaker No, but then it is on the Order Paper. Honourable Member, I am going to ask you to stay away from . . . you have made many points, many of which have been, really, a little beyond what they should be in regard to the motion that you have.
Mr. Walton Brown What I will say in conclusion, Mr. Speaker, is that today we had a demonstration of considerable concern expressed on the grounds of this Parliament. The Premier knows there have been a multitude of calls for a rec onsideration, a stepping back. Some sort of . . . something to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable A ttorney General. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to allay some of the hysteria emanating from that Honourable Member from constituency 17. The G overnment is listening now , as it always has , but it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 21 . . . let me just ask Members now. I have allowed a l ot of leeway. We have a motion on the floor to deal with immigration and to deal with coming back to talk …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Thank you and I stand d irected by your advice to us. Mr. Speaker, Mike Winfield, former campaign chair of the former United Bermuda Party, the pred ecessor party to the OBA — [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mike Winfield —
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Mem ber.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong —about seven years ago said that whilst addressing the final meeting for that particular year of the Bermuda race relations initiative when we were discussing the connection between race and politics in Bermuda, Mike Winfield, a former chairman of the United Bermuda Party acknowledged that the United Bermuda Party had …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: The Member is referring to this Member.
The Speaker The Speaker Say that again, Honourable Member? [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I repeat —the Member from [constituency] 19 last week denied on the same issue . . . was in denial about the fact that the OBA derives over 80 per cent, roughly, of its support from Bermuda’s white communit y. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong No, no, in terms of the total voting base. They get maybe 15 or 20 per cent of the black vote. Just as the United Bermuda Party did. But that is the old formula. It goes back to Sir Henry Tucker and the founders of that party. Keep the white …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Polls prior to every election indicate more or less the same thing. The Progressive Labour Party never earns more than 2 [per cent] to 3 per cent of the white vote. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Do statistics lie? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Do the stats lie? Take ow nership of who you are! [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Stop with the fraud! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Take ownership! Hon. Trevor G. Mo niz: Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He is [imputing] improper m otive. There has not been fraud. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Secondly —
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute, Honourable Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Secondly, he is misleading the House, because, of course, who votes for the PLP is a matter for the PLP. If they became less radical, they could appeal to a broader sway of the voters.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yeah, yeah, yeah! As they did in 1998! [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
The Speaker The Speaker Order! Order! [Gavel] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Yeah, yeah.
The Speaker The Speaker Order, Honourable Members.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Even now, he comes with a typical sort of white Bermudian paternalism: If you only behaved yourselves better, you would get our votes! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, point of order, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: It is unparliamentary language.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I prefer that you not use it — [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ] [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Honourable Member, would you take your seat! [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The temperature in this House will quickl y rise and the behaviour will sink if we allow those sorts of rages. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, just a second. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: If we allow that sort of rage, Mr. Speaker, to take place.
The Speaker The Speaker Just second. Yes . All right. Carry on.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong I repeat, Mr. Speaker, we have to be the recipients of the typical white Bermudian paternalism coming from that Member! Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order. [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Now, h ow is that unparli amentary ? [Crosstalk] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong You tell me! You tell me!
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, take your seat. Yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That is unacceptable. That is unacceptable. He has to withdraw those words.
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you, Attorney General . [Pause]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, that is what has st unted our political development in this country and the growth of our democratic culture and values. That is the brick wall we keep hitting up against, you know. And we wonder why we have not seen ourselves move forward, develop politically and in …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That Honourable Member is again misleading this House, with the stumbling block for the PLP is they constantly split and kick out of honourable members!
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Point of order. Point of order. All right. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: They took their BDA with the NLP. They did it with the — Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Over a nd over again.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Attorne y General ! Attorney General , take your seat! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —digging out . . . they can not get . . .
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General ! Take your seat. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong And, Mr. Speaker, I will say this, in conclusion, because I think I have made my point. I will say in conclusion that you can have r acialized outcomes that produce racial disparity even when that may not have been the conscious intent! And I say that with respect only …
The Speaker The Speaker Twenty -nine.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Twenty-nine. Remember, in the public pronouncement of that same Minister, he conceded initially that, Oh, you don’t have to worry because those people don’t live where you live. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Oh yes. He did not say it like that, but you get the point.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, speak to the Chair.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong He said that in an effort to try to assuage the concerns of us and our supporters on this side of the aisle about what was being characterised as a political attempt to manipulate politics in the country so, analogous to what took place in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, take your seat a second. Yes. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Have we gone directly into . . . are we going to debate the motion this evening?
The Speaker The Speaker Right, right. All right. Thank you. All right. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong But my point was that, I mean, even in terms of how we live in Bermuda, t hat anyone coming off of the next plane can find himself living in the sort of neighbourhoods that blacks in the main have been excluded from, even in 2015. That is why I …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, in the release that was issued (and my colleague here has just given me this), the Minister said this.
The Speaker The Speaker What are you reading fr om, please?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong This is from the Royal G azette. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. We are going directly into the debate again!
The Speaker The Speaker Just let me hear what he is going to say. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong “I fully accept that in the” —
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute, Honourable Member. Just one second. Attorney General , thank you. Carry on.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong “I fully accept that in the ’60s and ’70s, that government manipulated immigr ation law” —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Honourable Member, you ca nnot—
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong — “vote” —
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, please! Take your seat. Take your seat. Take your seat, Honourable Member. There. Now, you get up. If you want to continue, please stay away from any matter that has to do with immigration. It is very hard. But we cannot. I have made my ruling. I am …
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Mr. Speaker, thank you. And I apologise, Mr. Speaker. But I will just say this here, that l ike my co lleague, I too want to commend those brave Bermudians who have put themselves on the line on behalf of our future and the future of our children and grandchildren …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6. MP Wayne Furbert, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, the whole idea of people sho wing up today would have caused any …
The Speaker The Speaker Same- sex marriage, like that, is also on the Order Paper, Honourabl e Member. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker So we cannot —yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am not going to touch that. I am not going to touch that. I am just saying that the Premier talked about, laid something down today. I am not going to talk about what it is. But at the end of …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is what it was. And so, you had to consolidate to ensure that your 85 [per cent] to 90 per cent of the white comm unity supported the OBA. And so, once you have . . . As a matter of fact, …
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute, Honourable Member. I do not think the Honourable Members are really ready to listen to what you are saying. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker So, Honourable Members, I want to have some order. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: That is why the United Bermuda Party was clever enough to go out and get di stinguished blacks. There are some in that room who are able to attract the black votes. 1134 4 March 2016 Official …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You were one of them. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And I was one of them! Yes, I admit it. I know that. They recruited me at the end of the day, because they knew that I would topple Crawl Hill. I can pull a least a significant amount of the …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Right! That is right! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: These then, Mr. Speaker, are the individuals who used to tell me how much they loved me. They used to tell me how much they loved me. As a matter of fact, as you know, Mr. Speaker, they made me their leader …
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute, Honourable Member. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker Let me just see if we can get some quiet in this place. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So that is why they knew it. But the black community is different. If they gravitate to you , you pull them in. That is why, at the end of the day when they came after me in 2012, they knew they could …
The Speaker The Speaker I knew that very well. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And I remember, Mr. Speaker, I ran on that area and won. I was quite surprised in those days when I won. And that was 1998. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker You should not have been surprised. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It was 1998. It was 1998.
The Speaker The Speaker You should not have been surprised. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: There was a shift. There was a shift. There was a shift. All right? There was a shif t. And that is why the United Bermuda Party never lost their base and was able to pick up a significant amount …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Immigration. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am not talking about that. . But we can stack the deck, and we are going to move this country forward. At the end of the day, there at least has to be honesty on one side. It is clear! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The only reason! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Only one reason. I had not changed. As a matter of fact, sometimes I wore the same shoes, the same clothes. My face was the same. I may have cut my hair shorter. But at the end of the day, Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Minister. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: In support of Sunny, if he ran for the PLP, he would get as many votes as that Honourable Member does.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. [Inaudible interjections ]
The Speaker The Speaker MP Furbert, carry on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I do not think he knows. Sunny would not win in the Progressive Labour Party. Mr. Speaker, I just want the . . . We are going to eventually get to th at motion of my colleague. We will eventually …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What mistake? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: You know what I am talking about. But I cannot imagine the immigration—
The Speaker The Speaker Ah, Honourable Member. Speak to the Chair, an d . . . Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am hoping that they will discuss it in a caucus and say to them, Let’s move on together with the Progressive Labour Party and pull this country together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Desk …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. T hank you, Honourable Member. All right. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 33.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not going to go too deep into the issue of race, because we are not prepare d, as an Honourable House to be honest. We are not prepared to be honest. But, Mr. Speaker, I remember as a candidate for the United …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. If the Honourable Member says, We in this House are not prepared to be honest, (1) he should direct that comment at somebody; and (2) he should not even say it at all.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Right. Thank you, Honourable Premier. Stay, stay, stay, stay, stay . . .
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons May I direct the comment at somebody?
The Speaker The Speaker No, no. Do not even direct it.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons But, Mr. Speaker, I remember as one of two black candidates, the first two black candidates in the UBP stronghold of Pembroke West, canvassing houses and having people slam doors in our faces because they thought we were PLP b ecause there was no white person with us. An H …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons And they would tell you, Oh, I didn’t realise. You know? And I remember people at the polling station when there were two black candidates, Which one do I vote for? (UBP suppor ters.) Which one do I vote for? I don’t know which one to vote for. Now— [Inaudible …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Now, I do not hear any points of order or anything like that. But, Mr. Speaker, let me continue. When I began my tenure in constituency 33, I made a commitment that I would try to canvass every single member of my constituency with no prejudice, no pre- assumed notions, …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons But . . . but, understand. Understand. I have never had that.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, let us have some order. [Gavel]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons But I had never exper ienced that, Mr. Speaker, when I canvassed as a black man for the UBP. I never experienced that. I have only experienced it from white households, only exper ienced it from that. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member! Honourable Member from constituency 7. That is enough! Bermuda House of Assembly
Mr. Jamah l S. Simmons And people have to understand that I understand the anger that is being di splayed by some of the black Members on that side, because the anger is based on fear. And you know where the fear comes from, Mr. Speaker? Because I have lived it. The fear that you …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Absolutely! [Inaudible interjecti ons]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Will the Honourable Member from the Azores please . . . you know, keep his mouth shut? He has had his chance. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That is unparliamentary language.
The Speaker The Speaker All right, Attorney General . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I am just pointing out that that Member has been in three different parties.
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Honourable Member, take your seat, Attorney General .
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons And you know what, Mr. Speaker?
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons I was laughing, because you know what? I have been invited to every single one. So, obviously, somebody on that side thought I had value. Somebody thought I had value on this side. But the fact that remains is this, Mr. Speaker. The fact that remains, Mr. Speaker, is this, …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, Honourable Members! Come on. [Gavel]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Again, those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. But let us move on.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Point of order.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Mr. Speaker, there is a clear divide in this country. And it is dishonest to claim that race does not play a part of it. But we are not going to waste my time on that any further, because we are not prepared to have that conversation, not ho nestly. …
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General , Attorney General , please take y our seat. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: If I said that that Honourable Member —
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General , take your seat! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He should sit down —
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General ! Take your seat, please. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: But, no, Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Attorney General ! [Inaudible interjections and general uproar ] [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, we see in this House a lot of mouth, a lot of arr ogance, a lot of [Member beating his chest], I’m the man! Right?
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members From you! From you! [Laughter]
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Oh, you ain’t seen me be the man. You do not want to see that part of me.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Oh!
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons But keep tal king. Mr. Speaker, but what we see here is a lot of mouth, right? But I am begging you. I am begging you please, please, you have to change. I am begging you. Okay? And I am begging you because I see the path you are on. …
Mr. Jamahl S. Si mmons It is not a threat. It is a rea lity. When the weather forecaster says a storm is coming, he is not making the storm happen. He is predicting the weather. And I am predicting the weather. Understand, please. I am not joking. Okay? Because I have seen in other …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 15. MP Roban, you have the floor.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The discussion has been very interesting, Mr. Speaker, about how elections are won, how they are lost, who votes for whom, who does not. Well, Mr. Speaker, I have been involved with a few elections, and there is one thing I know about this country. There …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Those elections where there have been the most enthusiastic voter turnouts have usually, even since 1968, prior to 1988, prior to 1998, there was 1980, and the enthusiasm that people took to the polls then pushed the PLP close to power. That happened again in 1989. Another enthus iastic effort …
Mr. Walter H. Ro ban Or issues around that word, Mr. Speaker, so I will not mention it. People came to this House again about the closure of a certain clinic to express to the Gover nment their concern. They felt a need that, no matter what the Government was telling them prior to getting …
Mr. Walter H. Roban You know, you open the door. You offer, You want some tea? You want some cake? How about a plate? We are not finding that this time in this House. We are not even finding that the principal occupants who control the House are even welcom-ing. In fact, what we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I know it.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes, that loud minority that I spoke about, Mr. Speaker, some of whom were on the hill today. But I can tell you, many of the people who came to me on the hill today who necessarily were not my voters felt disrespected that the OBA contingent walked past them …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Because he is the most recognised person in the country. Right? The person is tal king about a certain Member from constituency 7, Mr. Speaker, is mentioning the name of a Member who once sat in another place, David Burch. But I can tell you this about David Burch. Bermudians …
Mr. Walter H. Roban They had no doubt. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker Keep quiet, Honourable Members. Keep quiet. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker This is the last time. This is the last time I am going to speak to you, Honourable Member. Did you hear me? This is the last time I am going to speak to you. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Carry on. And before you start, I want all Members . . . If it is too l ate and we cannot control ourselves, then we will close the House. Carry on, Honourable Member.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I will continue where I left off, Mr. Speaker. The name that the Honourable Member who was chirping (I will describe it) on the side had mentioned the name of a former Leader of the Senate, David Burch. There was no doubt in Bermudians’ minds …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Mr. Speaker, I am sure you agree that I am free to say what I want to say, even if I say it more than once in this House.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you are free to repeat yourself, but—
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying that, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I can stop you for repetition as well.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I appreciate your warning me about repetiti on, but as long as I am not being stopped from saying what I have to say. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. But I think it is very important to understand something. I see, as my honourable colleague ex-pressed, some …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair wil l now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 18. MP Burt, you have the floor.
Mr. E. David Burt Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening, good evening.
Mr. E. David Burt It is okay, I think. The Ministers can leave, because I am sure they will find their way back pretty soon. But, Mr. Speaker, before I get to my substa ntive remarks, I just wanted to, I guess, take a break to praise some very restrained and dignified public servants. …
Mr. E. David Burt No, no, no. It was sent from my daughter’s aunt; let us put it that way. Yes, my daughter’s aunt, and my sister -in-law. So it was sent. And, you know, some nice clothes from Tennessee for my daughter. So I was there in line, getting ready to pick up …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wow. That is racist there. Boy.
Mr. E. David Burt And when the whole commotion first started, Mr. Speaker , the first thing I wanted to do was to take out my phone. And I said, Oh, let me not do that. It’s not necessary. But I really wish that I would have. Because nobody in this country should be …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Exactly.
Mr. E. David Burt And so when the lady was challenged on this, she made it abundantly clear and said it loud so everyone could hear, Yes, that’s right. I stand by my statement. The only reason you work here is that you can’t get a job anywhere else. Disgusting. And I sincerely hope …
Mr. E. David Burt And I hear the Honourable Attorney General on the front bench saying No. So what the Honourable Attorney General is saying is — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. B ermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, just a minute— Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: —the difference between—
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member! [ Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Attorney General, that is not a point of order. That is not a point of order. Please take your seat. Yes.
Mr. E. David Burt It seems as if the Honourable Attorney General, in his willingness to attempt to shut down debate in this House, will not wait his turn. I do not believe that you have spoken, Honourable Attor-ney General, and Mr. Speaker, he will have plenty of time to speak if he wishes …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member! Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I just want to clarify to t he Member. I have spoken already. I am not trying to shut anything down.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, thank you. Carry on.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you. Well, I will say this. He will have a chance to speak again, Mr. Speaker. He can do that on Monday or Wednesday or Friday or the following Monday. But here it is, Mr. Speaker. Because when he was saying, No, that is not all they give you …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives and impugning integrity] Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: The Honourable Member is imputing improper motives and certainly impugning our integrity over here. He should withdraw that.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Carry on, sir.
Mr. E. David Burt Mr. Speaker, thank you. I will not withdraw the statement. I am sorry,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Honourable Member, you just speak. There is no need for you to repeat what I said.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, you speak. That is all.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will repeat what I said again. Because when their Members of the front bench, when an argument is made, stated that you have limits on what you can do by what you have placed in front of the people. When a Member of the front …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: This is sinking to the level —
The Speaker The Speaker Hold on. Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Member is using unparliamentary language, and it is just sinking to the level of pure insult. That is all it is, just insults.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, just please, please take your seat. Thank you. MP Burt, carry on, please.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you, Mr. Speaker. N ow, Mr. Speaker, I heard earlier the Honour-able Attorney General interpolate, you know, how he 1144 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly thinks he can speak, chirp, and say, Well, you can be less radical. Wow, Mr. Speaker! Amazing! From the …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, you point of order before you start to speak. Now you carry on. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: He is suggesting that we are reversing s omething when there is no proposal to r everse anything.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Attorney General .
Mr. E. David Burt Mr. Speaker, it seems as if the Honourable Attorney General is trying to do whatever he can. But I am going to continue on my line, Mr. Speaker. This comes from an Opposition that has done the best it can to advance democracy. We have asked probing parliamentary questions. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, stay away from immigration!
Mr. E. David Burt Okay. I will.
The Speaker The Speaker Please do not —
Mr. E. David Burt No problem. No problem. The question really is how many licks or how long the Government wishes to take licks over it, Mr. Speaker. Because I got a message this morning that was asking if we were living in an alternate universe. Because I happened to read the Royal Gazette …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hm. That is right. This is straight talk now.
Mr. E. David Burt Wow! The Premier of the country told the country that he cannot lead his own party.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right. No comment.
Mr. E. David Burt That he cannot lead the Gover nment!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is obvious.
Mr. E. David Burt To say that, Mr. Speaker, is a shocking admission of weakness. And one has to question whether or not the Government has even the confidence of their own backbench!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. E. David Burt Let alone, Mr. Speaker, that of Parliament. If you cannot get a Government Bill passed, Mr. Speaker, that is not the reason to spend $350,000 extra for a referendum. When you cannot get a Government Bill passed, there are three things you do: You try harder, you step back, or …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is right.
Mr. E. David Burt And then today we got to hear that he misspoke?
Mr. E. David Burt Really? Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: I do not believe it.
Mr. E. David Burt The Premier of the country mi sspoke? I mean, he was up here silent during question time, marches down the hill, reverses Government policy, and t hen we get to hear, after this ridiculous excuse that says he has . . . he admits to the entire country that he …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He is talking abs olute nonsense.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. E. David Burt Mr. Speaker, I will tell you what absolute nonsense is. Absolute nonsense is the Pr emier of the country admitting that he cannot pass a Government Bill through the Parliament.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That is true.
Mr. E. David Burt And there is no clear indication, of the examples of which I just laid o ut, that the Premier does not have control of his own party! Because if he did, we would not be hearing that, I don’t have the votes. Simple, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I read with …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Right!
Mr. E. David Burt When you hold yourself up as a model for good governance and accountabil ity, and then turn your eyes as your Ministers violate Financial Instructions, you are weak. When you violate your very own updated Ministerial Code and disrespect the very Parliament of which you are an officer, you are …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm.
Mr. E. David Burt When the people come to the House of Assembly to protest after you admonish them that the place for protesting is outside of the House of Assembly, and then you walk by and scurry past with your police escort and not speak to the pe ople ass embled, you are …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members You are weak!
Mr. E. David Burt Mr. Speaker, the Premier of this country is weak. This Government has lost its way. The people are tired. And I would suggest the Premier put himself out of his own misery, go to G overnment House, dissolve Parliament and let the people of this country pass their own judgment …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker The House is adjourned till Monday. [Gavel] [At 10:10 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 7 March 2016.] 1146 4 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank ]
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