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March 2, 2016

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Mar 2, 2016
Session 2015/2016
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342 speeches from 20 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Members, we have the Minutes of the 26th of February to be confirmed. Ar e there any objections or any corrections to those minutes? If there are none, we will c onsider them confirmed. Since there are none, the Minutes for the 26th of February are confirmed. The …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, just the Members that are not here this morning. MP Michael Weeks and J unior Minister, MP Leah Sc ott, continue to be out, they have not been well. Also absent today is MP D. V. Burgess, he is out for personal reasons. MESSAGES FR OM THE SENATE Th …
The Speaker The Speaker One of my students. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: O ne of your students . And Mrs. Lisa Matthie is his mother. Kenny Mills is my constituent suffice it to say that the entire area of Warwick, both Kyber Pass and Ord Road, have been stunned and shocked by this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Honourable Member. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member, Mr. Lawrence Scott. You hav e the floor.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to associate my remarks with the Opposition Leader when it comes to young Eezariah Matthie. I actually had the privilege of working with (what we called him at the airport) Ezzy. He worked at the ai rport. And one thing I do remember about …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, MP Scott. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Minister for Ec onomic Development. Minister, Dr. Gibbons, you have the floor. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Mr. Speaker, on a more upbeat note, I would like to ask that congratul ations be sent to the Bermuda Underwater Exploration Institute for what I gather is an impressive America’s Cup display that they are putting on. I am jumping the …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Minister. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? That will conclude the congrats and obits. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS FIRST READINGS
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Minister for Finance. Minister Bob Richards, you have the floor. Bermuda House of Assembly RETAIL SHOPS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENTS) AMEN DMENT ACT 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you again, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. GOVERNMENT FEES AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: And also, I am introducing the following Bill in accordance with section 36(3) of the Bermuda Constitution, which requires the Go vernor’s recommendation, so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, thank you, Minister. OPPOSITION BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The first Order of the Day is the resumption in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and E xpenditure. Minister of Finance. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that we resume in the Committee of Supply for further …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. I will ask that the Honourable Member from constituency 14 please come and take the Chair [of Committe e]. House in Committee at 10:16 am [Mr. Glen Smith, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2016/17 [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Members and listening audience. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2016/17. The Cabinet Office, Heads 9, 14, 26 and 80. Four hours have been allocated to this Head. I call on the Premier and National …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. Hon. Michael H. Dunk ley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am grateful for the opportunity to lead the debate and present the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Heads 9, 14, 26 and 80, the Cabinet Office, the Department of Statistics, the Department of Human Resources, and the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier. I recognise the Honourable Opposition Leader, the Honourable Marc Bean, from constit uency 26, Warwick South Central. You have the floor. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, and good morning to the listening public. I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we now adjourn and come back at two o’clock.
The Chairman Chairman The House will return at two o’clock. [ Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:28 pm Proceedings resumed at 1:59 pm [ Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2016/17 [ Continuation of debate thereon] CABINET OFFICE [ Continued]
The Chairman Chairman Members, we resume in Committee of Supply. We are in the middle of the Cabinet debate, which I believe ends at 3:45. Are there any other Members that would . . . The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. You have the floor. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Mr. Chairman, I do a ppreciate —
The Chairman Chairman Thank you member. Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: T hank you. The Honourable Member is misleading this House. I do appreciate that he said “in his opinion,” but for the record I do a point of order that what he just stated is not correct. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman He did say it was his opinion, though. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I will give you another —
The Chairman Chairman Carry on. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will give you another opinion, all right? It does not matter what the Minister of Tourism says o r thinks, I could care less about his opinion on this matter. And so I will repeat it again. It …
The Chairman Chairman We will take your point of order. Go ahead, Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading and imputing improper motives] Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: The Honourable Member is mislea ding this Honourable House and he is [imputing] improper motives to this Government. He is incorrect. That is his political strategy on this …
The Chairman Chairman If he does not, then we will address it, but I am sure he will cl arify it. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Mr. Chairman, this is politics, okay? When I speak of social engineering, social reengineering, economic engineering, cultural engineering, that is neither a negative or a positive. It …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order. We will take your point of order, Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives] Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Mr. Chairman, the Honourable Member is [imputing] improper motives. He continues to do so. He is trying to suggest that the Government is doing social engineering. As …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your point of order, Minister. Another point of order? Hon. Michael J. Scott: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Attorney General?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A point of order on your own Member? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael J. Scott: The point of order is to the opinion of Dr. Gibbons’ objection on a point of order. It is absolutely clear and been debated often in this House that since the 1970s these kinds of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Shadow Attorney General. Minister of Tourism, do you have a point of order again? POINT OF ORDER Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. The Honourable Member who consistently defends the Opposition Leader on these matters is just going too far. You cannot …
The Chairman Chairman Um— Hon. Michael J. Scott: I completely —
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Attorney General. Let me acknowledge the fact that the Minister has yielded. Go ahead. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I take complete exception to his characterisation of my statement. I did not say that therefore it is happening now. I am saying that on the basis of history it is …
The Chairman Chairman Continue on with your point of order, but keep it short please, Minister of Tourism. POINT OF ORDER [Imputi ng improper motives] Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: With all due respect, I have no issue, and no one on this side of the House has an issue, with anyone reflecting on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Mini ster of Tourism. 962 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Leader of the Opposition, you have the floor — Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you—
The Chairman Chairman And I am sure you can continue on and clarify your position without causing anyone co ncern from the other side. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Well, you know, it is my pleasure, Mr. Chairman. It is my pleasure to see the Ministers on that side jump up and complain …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: But you would say that that is positive engineering. But now when we speak about the historical, during the same time period, of imm igration, it is perceived to be a negative form of engineering. Mr. Chairman, it does not matter to me what …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is what it is. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: It is what it is, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Do not let them distract you. Just continue on. Continue on with the debate. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Here is the thing —
The Chairman Chairman Continue on with the debate. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I am going on this census —
The Chairman Chairman Continue on with the debate. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I am speaking about the census—
The Chairman Chairman Do not get off track now, just continue on. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: —speaking about the census. It is something because we have to hear it every time up in this Chamber about how you had 14 years. You had 14 years for this or that . But then …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Or its name. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Or its name. I thought I was going to get a point of order. Mr. Chairman, again, it is important that we allocate this $1.7 million in this Budget to ensure that we have the most up- to-date and accurate …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order from the Minister of Tourism. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading and imputing] Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: The Honourable Member is misleading this House and he is [im puting] improper motives to the Government and, particularly, the Mi nBermuda House of Assembly ister of Home Affairs. I appreciate his …
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order is noted. Leader of the Opposition, as you continue on just try and be cognisant of their — Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I know what is —
The Chairman Chairman —point or their point of objection. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Mr. Chairman, just the fact that Immigration policy speaks to people coming in and out of this country, Immigration policy is a tool of social engineering, regardless of what Government is in power. That is a fact. So for …
The Chairman Chairman Just speak to the Chair, you will be all right. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: —stay sitting right there and do what you have been doing all this time. Because one thing about the Minister of Home Affairs, he does not act alone and he does not think in a …
The Chairman Chairman Point of order. I take your point of order, Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motives] Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Mr. Chairman, the Honourable Member continues to [im pute] improper motives. He is fully aware of how Cabinet functions and who leads Cabinet, the first among equals. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your point of order. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I appreciate the theory about how Cabinet should operate—
The Chairman Chairman Continue on. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: But, Mr. Chairman, as you have seen over the last two weeks, there is a big question mark as to who actually chairs Cabinet. Now, the public would not know that, but those of us who sit up here, we certainly know it. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your contribution, Leader of the Opposition. Does any other Member wish to speak? I recognise the Member from Pembroke, the Member Mr. Walton Brown. Mr. Walton Brown, you have the floor.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would just like to speak on a few areas. I would like to speak on CPU, the London Office, the Information Commissioner’s Office, the Commission of Inquiry, and the Statistics Office. I will speak first about the Statistics Office. I was not intending …
Mr. Walton Brown —obvious . . . my colleague the Shadow Attorney General says “dark.” I might say “ominous” as my colleague here says. Is there some other motivation that is paramount? Because it begs the question, if there is a systemic issue, because all you needed to do was look at all …
Mr. Walton Brown No, the 25- acre estate. [Inaudible in terjection]
Mr. Walton Brown Wreck Hill, right. Who remembers Wreck House? Wreck House was a beautiful 25- acre estate— [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walton Brown A beautiful spot. Beautiful. It is now owned by a very kind man who runs an Austr alian med ia empire from Wreck House, Bruce Gordon. But in the 1970s that property was owned by a very wealthy American. And that American said, You know what? Bermuda has been very …
The Chairman Chairman A point of order from the Premier. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We cannot discuss PATI today. The Information Commissioner’s Office will come up under non- Ministry d ebates next week.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your point of order. Member from Pembroke, be guided in your comments. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You will have time next week.
Mr. Walton Brown I will be guided by you, Mr. Chairman. I was just going to sa y that PATI is a great thing and we should all embrace it. 968 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you.
Mr. Walton Brown I am happy to reserve those comments for a subsequent occasion. So, Mr. Chairman, since my remarks have been somewhat abbreviated, I will si mply say that it is important to look at the work of the various depar tments under the Premier’s Office. The work of the CPU is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Member from constituency 17. Do any other Members wish to speak? Note that this debate does not end until 3:45, so we still have got some time if any other Member would like to speak. I recognise the Member from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: I am grateful, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Honourable Leader of the Opposition spoke on Head 14, the Department of St atistics, drawing the attention of, certainly, the Premier (whose remit this falls under), and the country’s attention to the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Member from [constituency] 36. Does any other Member wish to speak? We recognise the Member from constit uency 33. Minister Simmons, you have the floor.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I echo my colleague’s comment as a member of the Boundaries Commission, in relation to [page] B42, the importance of accurate data. But I think it also is a critic al, critical . . . we are in a critical period of our history with unemployment …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member from constit uency 33. Do any other Mem ber wish to speak? I will recognise the Minister Gibbons. Minister Gibbons, you have the floor. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there has been a certain amount of discussion about both the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, thank you for your comments. Does any ot her Member wish to speak? We recognise the Opposition Whip. Ms. Foggo, you have the floor.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, I just have one basic question for the Premier and that to do, again, with the Department of Statistics, Head 14. In general my questi on is with the information that is accrued, the statistical information. I just wo nder whether or not . . . what efforts are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Ms. Whip. Does any other Member wish to speak? Bermuda House of Assembly No other Member. Mr. Premier, would you like to wrap up on your Head? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just starting out where the honourable colleague ended off in regard to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Leader of the Opposition. Bermuda House of Assembly Premier, you have the floor again. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Government Negotiating Team are independent contractors. I am happy to talk to the Ho nourable Member off the record in regard to that. The …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Leader of the Opposition? Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Chairman and thank you, Premier. I would like to know, specifically, in terms of those CARICOM fees, we do understand that Ber-muda is an as sociate member of CARICOM, so we are obligated to provide …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Leader of the Opposition. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, thank you for that clarification. Those are fees that are paid quarterly. There are no Government appointed officials to CARICOM getting any fees. Those are the quarterly fees to CARICOM . …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, the Opposition Leader has another question for you. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to the Premier for yielding. One last question: When we are tal king about the Office of Project Management and Procurement, the Premier mentioned a code of practice. Will …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments, Leader of the Op position. Premier, you have the floor. There are about nine minutes left. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was just referring to the exact part of my brief to make sure that I was accurate in what I …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, the Opposition Leader has a further question. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you for the explanation. Now, the next question, naturally is, will the O ffice, the OP[M]P, be obligated to follow that code of practice? And a better question, will the Cabinet of the One Bermuda Alliance …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your question. Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Most definitely. Most def initely. And another thing that I will remark as we want to talk about good governance, in spite of some of the comments that are put out from time to time by …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, do you yield? Leader of the Opposition, you have the floor. Five minutes left. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Chairman and thank you, Premier, once again for y ielding. I just listened to the Premier’s comments and to my pleasant surprise the Premier announced that his …
The Chairman Chairman You have a point of order, Minister of Tourism? Minister, you have the floor. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Yes, Mr. Chairman, the Honourable Opposition Leader has stated that Hansard will support this. I think he needs to present that because I do not recal l the former …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments. Leader of the Opposition, you have the floor. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I stand to be corrected, and I know my memory is not the sharpest knife, but I r emember t hat it was one particular . . . it was one particular …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for your comments. Premier, you have just over a minute to reply. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Chairman, I am going to keep this debate at a high level and I am not going to descend down into the gutter with that Honourable Member. As perhaps the Honourable …
The Chairman Chairman Premier, time has passed. With that we conclude the debate on the Cabinet Office, the Heads that the Premier just announced. [Motion carried: The Cabinet Office, Heads 9, 14, 26, 43, 51, 80, 84 and 96, were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expe nditure for …
The Chairman Chairman And we now will move onto the debate on the Ministry of Tourism Development and Transport, Heads . . . well I will let the Minister of Transport announce the Heads. Minister Crockwell, you have the floor. MINISTRY OF TOURISM DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORT Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman Go right ahead, Minister. Move ahead. Shadow Minister, are you in agreement with those h eads? Go ahead, Minister. HEAD 48 —MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. Mr. Chairman, the function of the Ministry of Tourism Development and Transport Headquarters is to ensure safe and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Minister. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN HOUSE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman Again, I would like to reiterate and recognise the presence within the Chambers of Senator Ball. Welcome. [Committee of Supply on Estimates of Revenue and Expendi ture for the year 2016/17 continuing]
The Chairman Chairman We continue in Committee of Supply, Estimates and Revenue of Expenditure for Transportation and Tourism. I recognise the Shadow Minister . . . I would also like to remind you that this debate concludes at 7:45 this evening. I call on the Member from constituency 24, Mr. W. L. A. …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Madam Chairman. Given the time, it looks like I will not have any extra time for my signature introductions that I know that this House so loves —
The Chairman Chairman But you have made a specific request —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, I have made a request that we sort of debate everything Head by Head, and with that it would take a little bit of extra time. What I was going to do was touch on several different topics, such as boating licensing, modernisation of bus ridership, Bluetooth legislation; the …
The Chairman Chairman That is fine as long as you make it clear which Head you are in .
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Sure, no problem. I will start with Head 31.
The Chairman Chairman Let me just make sure. Are there any objections to that request? There are no objections.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I will start with Head 31, which will be Airport Oper ations. The first thing that I want to talk about would be the reduction and elimination of the departure tax for (1) in the interest of attracting more business to the Island because as you know that we have …
The Chairman Chairman I know. But that was at the Estimate— that was held the other day , the general. What we are looking at is for you to more elaborate on specific lines and ask questions. I am just trying to help.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, no problem, but in order for the question to be taken in proper context, I have to give some background. In order to make us competitive, Cuba is coming online with 110 flights a day. We do 10 flights a day. So the airlines would be very pressed to …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, that is fine. Then what I will do is I will go back to the Head 31 and I will, once again, I w ill do it under Airside Operations, which is [cost centre] 41160, because aircraft come on the ai rside. Going back to that, the fees that …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Actually under Head 57, Civil Aviation, because this is about administration and ICAO policy and how to justify. And this would go to what the Minister was talking about with CCC and A econ because we do know that these fees have to be within the policies, and that would …
The Chairman Chairman Member, are we suggesting that perhaps there is a line that should be a different value or—
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott What I am suggesting is that this $250 million air port deal, which is going to cost the country money in lack of revenues, which I could say the revenue source . . . it would mean that all these landing fees which are 8209, 8205, 8201, 8229 . . …
The Chairman Chairman Member —
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Only because t he Minister talked about air arrivals in his brief —
The Chairman Chairman But, Member, we cannot go back to page B -103 because it is a different Head.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, no problem. Well, can I just ask the Minister if given numbers that were . . . and I will look at . . .The Minister spoke about air arrivals. So what I will do is put that under Airport Operations, Air Traffic Control. Is the Minister understanding or …
The Chairman Chairman Member, that would be line 7549.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you. Yes. So if we are about to embark on an airport r edevelopment project, and it is not supposed to cost the taxpayer any money, why are we actually spending $13 million to do what seemingly will be done if this deal goes through? Does that mean that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you very much, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will start with the final question asked first. You would note on line item 75329 that althoug h there is a total of $13 million, in 2015/16, $2.5 million of that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please proceed. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, Madam Chai rman. Just to help the Minister understand my last question [about] the 5 per cent decrease in air arrivals, [I say that] because they are looking at a loss in departure tax revenue by 5 per cent. So that means that there will be 5 per …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Yes, thank you. Before the Honourable Member moves on, I just want to draw his attention back to page B -105 in relation to the Honourable Member’s observat ion that the airport departure tax was going to be decreased, and that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair now recognises the Member from constituency 18.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I thank the Shadow Mini ster for allo wing me a few minutes because earlier the Honourable Minister answered a question. I am on page (possibly, I want to say) C -4.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, it is.
Mr. E. David Burt Okay, it is [page] C-4 (thank you very much) under the 75329, Airport Redevelopment, $13 million, total allocated funding. The Honourable Minister said in his answer before that there were various commitments. Would the Honourable Minister be kind enough to tell us who these various commitments are to? Specifically, what …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you. The information I have, breaking down the $4.3 million that is stated here, is to CIBC, $750,000 for financial advisory services; to KPMG, $700,000 for project management; to HNTB, [Architecture] $1 m illion for design, engineering and construction, techn ical …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 18.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much to the Mini ster for responding. If he could just repeat at the end. I saw $900,000 for Bennett Jones and the $391,000 reimbursable . . . was that to Bennett Jones as well, or was that to somebody else? I am just not clear on …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Yes, thank you. It is just for associated expenses like travel and other types of expenses. My understanding it is not to any specific entity just other ancillary costs associated with doing business with all the entities.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Mem ber from constituency 18.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much. I appreciate the Minister’s characterisation as he has given a thorough breakdown of the $4.3 mi llion. The first question I will ask is, Could the Mini ster provide any more detail in regar d to these rei mbursable expenses? If they are not going to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you. Again, the $391,000, as I said earlier, is ass ociated costs to do business with all of them. So whether it is travel, et cetera. I can get a breakdown of what is projected for each, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Mem ber from constituency 18.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you. I appreciate the Mini ster for giving the breakdown for the $4.3 million est imate for 2016/17. Could he please provide the figures for 2015/16 for the $2.5 m illion which was also asked; I would apprec iate that. Further, I would just like to (I guess) remind …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24. Ber muda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrenc e Scott: Thank you. The Minister spoke briefly —
The Chairman Chairman You need to bring us back to the page you are on.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, I am actually going to talk about [page] B-1 74. One thing that I wanted to know . . . and I mentioned earlier that it seems as though there are contracts that have been stalled, [contracts] by people that want to invest money into this country that have …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you. I recall the Honourable Member making reference some time ago to a particular —I think Cedar Aviation—and he alluded to the fact that the contract stalled. That is not the case. I do not know if …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Just for that one, if we were talking about a fixed-b ase operator or private jet facility, there is no competition with a c ommercial terminal. This is s omething that works in c onjunction so, one, why would CCC and Aecon have an issue in the first place, unless …
Mr. W . Lawrence Scott Sorry, road safety, which would be [cost centre] 44090. He talked about bring-ing roadside sobriety testing to this House. I sup-ported that, but I also made mention in that summit that although I support that, I do not believe that that goes far enough. I would like to know what …
The Chairman Chairman Member, I do believe that falls under another Head as well.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay, sorry. I defer to you, then. I will move on from speed cameras and go to graduat ed licensing. Graduated licensing would come under Head 34, page B -181, and I would probably say under 4404, Examination and Registration. With the graduated licensing, I would like to look at …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I am not quite sure under which Head those funds would have come from. Was it in 2015? 2016? We do have to keep—
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I defer to you, Madam Chairman, but with the youth licensing programme what I will do is just go through the questions that I have. Well, once again, I was going to say what came out of the Road Safety Summit. I cannot do that. What is the progress and …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I am putting that under Road Safety.
The Chairman Chairman Member, I just want to point out the fact that this is not a debate on policy. It is a debate on money —on budget.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, but the thing is we have talked about the $148,000 which was allocated to road safety. The Minister then gave statistics on how . . . so, yes, so this is part of the things — [ Inaudible i nterjection]
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you, and so —
The Chairman Chairman I do not need extra help, thank you very much. [ Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael J. Scott: Madam Chairman, your ur gings for this Member are entirely without foundation. He is on R oad Safety.
The Chairman Chairman Member, have a seat. I was trying to understand where we might be. Hon. Michael J. Scott: This is for the House, Madam Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises — Hon. Michael J. Scott: This is for Members of the House.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Not your edification.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 24.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you. I am once again going back to [section] 315F [of the Criminal Code]. I think I have touched on that one. Does the Minister see the benefits of having a graduated licensing programme? Can the Minister see the need for a more robust Project Ride programme which means …
Mr. W. Lawrence S cott Just for clarification, [section] 315F is when we had that rash of gang violence, [section] 315F was brought out and it actually, if you look at the numbers, after [section] 315F was impl emented, the number of gang violence or gang situations decreas ed significantly. Maybe if we did the …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So Minister, I do not know if you spoke about the fixed penalties. If we were to i mplement fixed penalties, we would have people who run red lights, people who run stop signs go from pa ying $5 0 and $100 to paying $300 which, one, would be an …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott When it comes to the graduated licensing programm e, giving our youth more time and more experience and more training before going out on their own on the roads, can this be something that your administration looks at? Can this be som ething that your administration . . . and …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Minister, now you have touched on a lot of things that I do agree with, and one thing that I heard you talk about was that our roads are dangerous, our roads are windy. I believe that the reason why there are not more fatalities, more accidents, is because of …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I just wish to inform you and the Shadow Minister that there is approximately nine minutes remaining. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman I stand corrected. We have about 25 minutes left. So you will want to handle yourselves accordingly to get to your objectives. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. First of all, as Honourable Members in this House will know that there are individuals in our community —particularly …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any other Member that cares to address this —these Heads? The Chair now recognises the Shadow Mini ster, Mr. Lawrence Scott. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. W. Lawrence Scott: Well, the fact that we have a couple of more minutes means that I can actually go back to …
The Chairman Chairman You may resume, Shadow Minister.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Okay. I am sorry that I am showing favouritism to the airport, but one thing that I would like to know is that we have talked about it b eing a done deal. Do you know what I will do? Answer this question and then I can go on to …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Would the Minister be able to provide an approximation —we would not hold you to it—but just an approximation? [Crosstalk] Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Sure, I will defer to the Minister of Finance to address that question. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman The Chair now recognises the Mini ster of Finance, Mr. Bob Richards. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Chai rman. There is no definitive answer to that question because it relates to the amount of money that CCC and Aecon have spent in developing the project. If we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Finance Minister. The Chair recognises the Shadow Minister.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I just wanted to get confirm ation that my number of approximately $5 [million] to $6 million was correct. I think we will just go by my number of $5 [million] or $6 million will be what it will cost for us to get out of — Hon. E. T. …
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You cannot make up a number! [Inaudible interjections] POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: That is wild specula tion. He just cannot make up numbers. He has no evidence on that so I do not want to hear any numbers. If I can-not give you a number, certainly …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Mr. Chairman, what I will do is . . . the Minister of Transport has already acknow ledged that I have expertise and knowledge of the i ndustry. I can extrapolate from other transactions sim ilar to the project that they are looking at doing. We are along the same …
The Chairman Chairman Your point of order? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He does not know of any other project like this one. This one . . . the only other project that has been like this one is Quito, and that …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Opposition Leader. Do you have a point of order? Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, yes, I appreciate it, Mr. Chairman. No, this is not a point of order. I would just like to continue the contribution, since the Honourable Minister thought that he would …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members But you just cannot make them up. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I would think that you would have the numbers before you start. But, again, you put the cart before the horse and you are going to hold my Shadow Minister to account? I doubt it. It does not …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I am not taking offence. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: I am not saying, Minister, that you are personally taking offence, but clearly you are jumping out of your chair and you are point -ofordering my Shadow Minister who is asking simple questions. How much does A, B, C and …
The Chairman Chairman Opposition Leader, you have made your point. Are you finished? Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Maybe. Maybe. [ Laughter] Hon. Mar c A. R. Bean: I would just like that clarity, Mr. Chairman. A question was asked, we did not receive a response. My Shadow Minister sent out a figure …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair once again recognises the Shadow Minister, Lawrence Scott.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott I was going to go on to Marine and Ports, Head 30 —but just to answer the Mini ster of Finance—
The Chairman Chairman If you can stop just for one second, I just want to inform you and the Minister that this time I am quite accurate to say that we have about seven minutes remaining.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Thank you. But there are similar projects that have been out there— Quito is one, Bahamas is another, Cayman is another that did not actually go through with CCC and Aecon. Antigua and Barbuda is another one, J amaica is another one, Trinidad and Barbados is another one which we …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott When it comes to our boating culture . . . and I hear the Honourable Minister GordonPamplin talking about something she has no interest or Bermuda House of Assembly no knowledge about, so I will continue on Head 30. All right? That the Minister will go forward — Hon. Patricia …
The Chairman Chairman The Chair recognises the Minister Gordon- Pamplin. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. The Honourable Member says I am speaking on an issue of which I know nothing. That is not correct so the Honourable Member is misleading the House. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. You may resume.
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott When it comes to Marine and Ports, and just to put things in context. It comes to when you go to non- mariners. Non- mariners — everybody is having a good old time. You have jet skis, you have Boston Whalers, you have everybody there. But my understanding is that …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott So, Minister, I understand what you are talking about. However, I fail to . . . what it sounds like you are saying is we will not do anything until somebody dies or somebody is hurt or we have a rash of things. I think that it is better for …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Yes, because the thing is that we are talking about our roads and when I look at the roads and started researching our road safety and p olicing strategy, I just noticed that we did not have that for the water. With the America’s Cup coming, I do not want …
The Chairman Chairman Members, unfortunatel y, we have reached the end of the allotted time for these Heads in reference to the Ministry of Transport. Minister, Honourable and Learned Member, are you prepared to move Heads 48, 30, 31, 34, 35, 57 and 73? Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I move …
The Chairman Chairman Members, the Minister has asked that those aforementioned Heads be approved.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I do not think that you necessarily want to move Head 48 until you do the section on the tourism.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, you will want to withhold that, Minister. Hon. Shawn G. Crockwell: Yes, thank you Honourable Member. Yes, Head 48 will remain open because as the Headquarters also involves tourism so we can move Heads 30, 31, 34, 35, 57 and 73.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads, 30, 31, 34, 35, 57 and 73 be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No? So approved. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Tourism Development and Tra nsport, Heads 30, 31, 34, 35, 37 and 73 were approved and stand part of …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Finance Minister? Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Sorry, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that we rise and report progress and agree to meet on Friday, [March 4, 2016].
The Chairman Chairman Members, the Finance Minister has moved that the Committee rise and report progress and asks for leave to sit again. Is there any objection to that motion? No object ions. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, it is agreed that we rise and report progress on Friday at the next meeting. Orders Nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5 are carried over. I understand that the Minister of Health, Seniors and the Environment —I recognise the Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections to that? Carry on please, Minister. BILL SECOND READING PUBLIC HEALTH AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, and Honourable Members of the House, the Public Health Act Amendment Bill 2016 was tabled on the 9th of Febr uary 2016. Mr. Speaker, this Act amends the …
Mrs. Jeanne J. Atherden It is definitely a tongue twister. —sever acute respiratory symptoms (SARS), Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, coronavirus, MERS cough [MERS -CoV], Chikungunya, and Zika virus. Mr. Speaker, new infectious diseases are constantly emerging and a mechanism to update the reportable communicable diseases list was needed to empower the Minister to rapidly …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member who is the Shadow Minister of Public Safety who will be filling in for the Shadow Minister of Health; correct?
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am filling in for the Shadow Minister of Health; I am Shadow Minister of Home Affairs. I have been updated—my title has been updated.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay, Home Affairs.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. A few comments on this Bill. Thank you for the presentation by the Honourable Minister from constituency 19. On a point review of the Bill we see that it is pretty much a Bill that is doing principally housekeeping and continuing the process of reorganisation …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Okay, are you confident that all the procedures right now, irrespective of what we are bringing to the House today, are in order and that if met with such a situation Bermuda could handle certainly at least one or two cases that might come on our shores? That is one …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Is there any other Honourable Member who would care to speak to this matter? There are no Members who would like to speak. I will ask that the Minister respond. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: First of all, I would like to assure the acting Shadow Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair recognises the— Hon. Dennis P. Lister : I have a question for the Mi nister.
The Speaker The Speaker You have a question? Hon. Dennis P. Lister: I just need a clarification. The Minister indicated there had been created an area if there was a quarantine r equired. Is that what you Bermuda House of Assembly said? Or do they have an area already for quarantine in which to …
The Speaker The Speaker Clear that up in Committee. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: When we get into Commi ttee.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, can you ask that the Bill be committed? Hon. Jeanne J. A therden: I wanted to make sure there were not any more questions.
The Speaker The Speaker Questions? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Well, Mr. Speaker, then can I then ask that the Bill be committed?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. It has been moved by the Minister that the Bill be committed. Any objections to that?
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Speaker, will you please take the Chair [of Committee]? [Pause] House in Committee at 8:03 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL PUBLIC HEALTH AM ENDMENT ACT 2016
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled Public Health Amendment Act 2016 . I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I would like to —this is clause …
The Chairman Chairman That would be clauses 1 to what? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: This is general provi sions clauses 1 through 4.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any objections? There are no objections. Please proceed. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Clause 1 provides a cit ation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends the principal Act in section 2 to insert a defini tion for the term “Director,” and to define the Director as the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clause 1 through 4? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15, Pembroke East, Mr. W. H. R oban. You have the floor. 1018 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Wa …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members? No? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Learned Member from constituency 36, Sandys North, the Honourable M. J. Scott. You have the floor. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Thank you, Madam Chairman. To the Minister, my question and concern is that the portability of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members? Minister? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Madam Chairman. First of all, as it relat es to adding to the list, that can be added as needed. So the Minister is able to add a virus or communicable disease to the list …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 4? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 36. Hon. Michael J. Scott: A question occur red to me now that we are in the discussion of this and it may regard a doctor’s …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Okay — [Inaudible interjections]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I will answer that officially, although it has been answered unofficially. I think that if you have seen some of the more recent information it has been determined that the Zika virus can be transmitted by sexual contact. So …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 4? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban My question is a, perhaps, general question. It does relate to this amendment Act but it is just for —not only for the benefit of the House but also the benefit of the public —as to now, with this Director within the Department of Health, specifically, Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I was hoping that the Honourable Member would wait for Monday when I am doing my Budget Debate. I can explain to him what happens with the CMO who has our own section in the department —the Director of Health who has …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban In light of t hat, I withdraw the question and allow the Minister to go on since she is going to be doing it during her debate.
The Chairman Chairman Perfect, thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 1 through 4? There are none. Minister —can you move . . . Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 1 through 4 concerning general matters.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 4 be approved as printed Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 4 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Minister, please proceed. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I would now like to move Communicable Diseases which is clauses 5 through 7.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any obj ections? There are no objections. Please proceed. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Clause 5 amends the principal Act by repealing and replacing section 67 to empower the Minister, for the purpose of the protection of public health, to amend, by order published in the Gazette, the provisions …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 5 through 7? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank y ou, Madam Chairman. A question for the Minister: These are very sort of methodical procedures that are being put in place to deal with these situations and how the Public Health authorities are going to manage persons when these situations arise. Will there be certainly an effort to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Yes, and I would just like to say to you that routine communication does take place with the relevant stakeholders. As you can ap-preciate, just think about food handlers and places like that—remember you have seen these messages up there reminding people about …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that woul d like to speak to clauses 5 through 7? Minister, please proceed. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 5 through 7 concerning communicable di seases.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 5 through 7 be approved as printed. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 5 through 7 passed.] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I would like to move Fees, which are clauses 8 through 10 …
The Chairman Chairman We will do it separately — Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Clauses 8 through 10.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Clause 8 amends the principal Act in section 115(2)(b) to remove the r equirement for a fee to be paid to a Justice of the Peace for a declaration made by a parent who is a conscientious objector to the vaccination of their child. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any Members that would like to speak to clauses 8 through 10? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Rob an Thank you, Madam Chairman. A question on clause 8, and also perhaps a comment as well, as I see clause 8 deals with and amends the principal Act in the appropriate section to remove the requirement for a fee being paid to the Justice of the Peace for a declaration …
Mr. Walter H. Roban My parents were not around. I do not even know if they knew that we were getting the vaccination. We were all jabbed by some lady — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Walter H. Roban —for whatever. I do not recall. I do not know what the procedure was back then but it seemed to be regimented and straightforward, and whether a parent even had an objection does not even seem to have [mattered] at all. I see now that this is in here and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members? The Chair recognises the Member from constituency [20] .
Mr. Walter H. Roban I thank the Minister on that. I make my point, Minister, because I am becoming concerned because of the economic climate that we have, there are a lot of young mothers who may not have the benefit of health insurance and that they may not have the opportunity to go …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. The Chair recognises the Minister. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I can assure you that the Department of Health immunises the children for free and they are very diligent in making sure that they get the information out to the parents even from the b eginning when their …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 15.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Minister. You act ually said what I had hoped you would say so that the public knows that they can go and get immuni sations for free. Many people do not know that in this country—that our public health system has this capability. In fact, the reason why …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Minister? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: I just want to assure the Honourable Member that the Government does pr ovide this free to the parents —obviously there is a cost which the Government absorbs —but on top of that, it is funny because the acting [Shadow] Minister must …
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members that would like to speak to clauses 8 through 10? Minister? Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I move clauses 8 through 10, concerning fees.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 8 to 10 be approved as printed. Any objections to that m otion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: Clauses 8 through 10 passed.] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I move the Schedule.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Schedule be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Schedule passed.] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I move the Preamble.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been moved that the Preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed t o. [Gavel] Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Madam Chairman, I would like to move that the Bill be reported to the House.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Public Health Amendment Act 2016 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.] [Pause] House resumed …
The Speaker The Speaker The second reading of the Public Health Amendment Act 2016 has been approved, as printed. We will move on down to—Orders No. 7 through 10 are carried over. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, MP Wayne Furbert. You have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank …
The Speaker The Speaker You have to, first of all, move for the second read ing, move your motion for the second reading.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Unless you are going to withdraw it? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, that is what I was going to say. That is why I was going to stand, so I am going to move it. [Inaudible interjections] The S peaker: Sorry? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry. I will move it. …
The Speaker The Speaker [Order] No. 11. [Crosstalk] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I was not sure about the purpose of doing it. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Just follow me and I will tell you what to do. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Do you want me to move it, Mr. Speaker?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go ahead. BILL SECOND READING HUMAN RIGHT S AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Human Rights Amendment Act 2006 [sic] —
The Speaker The Speaker [It is] 2016 — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —2016, sorry —be read the second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? POIN T OF ORDER
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill The Honourable Member said 2006 —clearly, he is thinking back in time. It is 2016. It is important that with respect that a Bill could be moved on i ts face does not cause anything misleading, and we need to address the citation as this is a Bill, in its …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I have no problem making an amendment to that part. But as you know there were some discussions and I thought I explained it, but I have no problem in taking that part out.
The Speaker The Speaker So, therefore, what you want to do then when we go into C ommittee stage — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I have no problem with that.
The Speaker The Speaker — you agree to amend that. 1024 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Carry on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we stand here today to debate the Human Rights Amendment Act 2016. Mr. S peaker, as you are aware, that most …
The Speaker The Speaker Just carry on. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Absolutely. No problem at all. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I am asking the Speaker to allow me, so I will not be all over the place with this particular motion.
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I respect ev eryone’s view regarding this matter and I am hoping that we will all listen to each other this evening and not really . . . as I said, respect individual views. This issue, Mr. Speaker, has been the PLP’s …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Try gues sing again. Take a second guess. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, Mr. Speaker, I have the right to guess. The Premier —
The Speaker The Speaker You said you were going to read your Statement. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, they are interpolating as you know, Mr. Speaker, like all politicians do. So, now that we understand that the Gover nment or the Members on that side are not under the Whip it will …
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Because we have to evolve. Hon. Wayne L. F urbert: He is the one that is testing that in the courts, so I wonder whether we did not pass that amendment because the Honourable Mem-ber at the time knew deep down in this heart where he wanted to go. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 25, the Learned Member, M. J. Pettingill. You have the floor .
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to say this to the Honourable Member that just sat down because this is such an emotive and important issue that I will go on record [saying] — you will not find a lawyer who says this very often— if there ever comes the …
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Not here. In a public place he spoke—on the radio. He spoke publicly on his support for that. Not everybody feels that way in society, and I think we should have that. Some people staunchly believe that right now as the law exists (and I am one of them) that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member Pettingill. The Chair now will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 17, MP Walton Brown. You have the floor.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, reflecting on this issue and li stening to some of the comments that have been made thus far in this debate it reminds me of the closing lines in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet . You will know, Mr. Speaker, [Mercutio], on reflecting on the …
Mr. Walton Brown Was it? The amendment to the Human Rights Act for sexual orientation? Two w ords and a comma . . . I cannot remember whether it was a conscience vote or not. But I recall saying at that time that it is disingenuous to give partial rights. How do you …
Mr. Walton Brown You were not there, because you decided not to accept the invitation to come to the meeting, Honourable Member, even though you are in my constituency. [Laughter]
Mr. Walton Brown Everyone there said that they were opposed to civil unions and same- sex marriage. I listened to them and I listened to their arg uments and then I said my view is that I believe it really is a fundamentally human rights issue. I believe that in 21 st century …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister of Education, Mr. R. W. E. Scott, constit uency 27. You have the floor. Hon. R. Wayne Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I feel compelled to speak on this being the Minister that brought the amendments to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will now recognise the Learned Member from constituency 34, MP Kim Wilson. You have the floor.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Contrary to what was said previously by my dear personal friend and colleague, the Member who sits for constituency 17, MP Brown, I find that my role as a Member of Parliament is to gauge the position of my constituents. And my constituents have elected me …
The Speaker The Speaker The amendments? Yes.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Yes, thank you. So we have one amendment that the Honourable —
The Speaker The Speaker There is only one amendment before us.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Right, right, yes The Honourable MP Furbert’s, which is effectively (and I am paraphrasing) making a provision to be included in the Human Rights Act that speaks to the definition of marri age, and that it remain between a man and a woman as is defined under the Matrim onial …
The Speaker The Speaker And we should be concentrating on the matter that we are dealing with today.
The Speaker The Speaker We need to be really careful how we—
Ms. Kim N. Wilson I am actually responding to something that the Learned and Honourable MP Pettingill . . . he raised that in his discussion, so I am just coming to bat.
The Speaker The Speaker Still, understand that we have to be very careful in that regard.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker, understood. The provision that we are debating now for the inclusion in the Matrimonial Causes Act —and just give me a little bit of leeway, Mr. Speaker —is critical insofar as there is a doctrine . . . well, let me back up a minute because …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister. Minister Patricia Gordon- Pamplin, Minister of Community, Culture and Sports, you have the floor. 1036 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, …
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, carry on, MP Wilson. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you. I am sorry, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House, no doubt probably innocently. What I did say is that they must be read together. The Marriage Act is 1944; the Matrimonial Causes Act comes afterwards and provides the framework and the rules for the Marriage …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member said marriage between a man and a woman as defined in the Marriage Act. Hansard will be able to bear out, because I wrote it down at the time that she said it, and I was going to call a …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Preamble for the Human Rights Act. [Pause] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: (Excuse me. Just give me one second, Mr. Speaker. I should know this by heart. I have read it and recited it enough times.) But, Mr. Speaker, the Preamble says, “WHEREAS …
The Speaker The Speaker Eleven minutes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The point that I want to bring is that with the legislation that was existing, and with the judge’s de-cision in the Bermuda Bred case, which was an imm igration issue— and we had quite extensive discussion on this …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That was a very good show. [Laughter] Hon. P atricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: A very good show , the Honourable Member said. That does not happen in reality, Mr. Speaker. I think we have to start looking at where are we in r eality? And the reality that we face, …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Mini ster. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 35. MP Dennis Lister, you have the floor. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Good evening, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good evening. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Mr. Speaker, when this m atter was tabled, and both matters were actually tabled, I actually had been putting together some thoughts and notes to have a full debate, or participate fully in this debate. Unfortunately, I was caught off guard by Mr. Furbert …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Former Attorney General. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: The former Attorney General, rather . The former Attorney General said that he would not let anything tie his hands to the point where he could not speak his conscience or could not vote on his conscience. Mr. Speaker, myself and probably the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 8. Honourable Member Cole Simons, you have the fl oor.
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This topic, Mr. Speaker, is probably one of the most difficult topics that I have encountered since I have been in the House of Assembly. And I have been in since 1998, almost 20 years. And I want to say that I had some predefined ideas …
Mr. N. H. Cole Simons And, as my colleague said, they have had children together. So they have a full family, but there is no legal protection. Now, Mr. Speaker, I can be very pragmatic on this issue because there are other lawyers who say, Well, listen, heterosexual couples or common- law r elationships have …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 13. MP Diallo Rabain, you have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Initially, I was not planning to get up and speak on this Bill. But sitting here and listening to the various comments being made, it reminded me of something. And it was the Throne Speech. It draws me back to 2012, the Throne Speech. Unfortunately, there …
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain No, no. I am opposed to gay marriage. I am not a proponent. I am not a proponent. I am not a proponent of same- sex marriage.
The Speaker The Speaker I heard you say that. I do not know what that Honourable Member heard. [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain I don’t know what he heard, either.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I was unsure of what you had said.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Okay. I am not a proponent of same -sex marria ge, but I am a proponent of a referendum. And it looks like that is the way we are heading. That remains to be seen, as well, because we have been promised referendums before, and we all know what the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Rabain. 1044 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: That d oes not necessarily mean he is opposed. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 20, Southampton West. MP Jackson, you have the floor.
Mrs. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am only going to t ake a few moments of your time, because for me, I am looking at the Bill that has been tabled this evening. And my comment is that I do not feel that this piece of legislation, the Human Rights Act, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 18. MP David Burt, you have the floor.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and good evening to you. I hope you are feeling better than you were a few hours ago.
The Speaker The Speaker Let us not go there. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Let us not go there because I will have you sit down. [Laughter]
Mr. E. David Burt Oh, I am sorry! Mr. Speaker, I did not know that standing up for the mighty West End United was a crime! Please, please, please.
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Honourable Member.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What was the score again?
Mr. E. David Burt It was one- nil.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who won?
Mr. E. David Burt West End United, the beautiful third-minute goal by Michail Antonio. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. E. David Burt I am hearing questions, Mr. Speaker. I just have to . . . [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. E. David Burt I got you, Mr. Speaker. They were playing Tottenham Hotspur. [Laughter] [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. E. David Burt Yes, absolutely. Anyhow, Mr. Speaker, this issue has been brewing for some time. And the debate tonight has been a good one. I think that there is a comment that it seems to be the first debate in this House in which neither side is under the Whip. Members are …
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Mark J. Pettingill That is actually completely, and utterly misleading, the House. I never at any time Bermuda House of Assembly said there was no loophole. I just did not say that . . . The law changed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou, thank you.
Mr. E. David Burt Let me change my wording then. I will say “implied .” Because I have read the Hansard. I have read the Hansard. And I remember when the debate on the amendment happened, that Honourable Member stood up, spoke about the Mat rimonial Causes Act and said that this amendment is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. That was somebody else.
Mr. E. David B urt You did not? Okay. So I think that everyone understands and we are clear from that place. But here is the challenge, Mr. Speaker. The challenge is that parliament, in all instances, is s upreme. And we heard many instances tonight where we have heard about judge made law. Now, …
Mr. E. David Burt I will yield.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Carry on, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I think it is just important to say that we have tabled this Bill. And it will be debated at the appropriate time. So I just w ant the Honourable Member to be aware of that.
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Okay. Carry on.
Mr. E. David Burt And that is perfectly fine, the a ppropriate time. The question is, when? When is the appropriate time? The Government will decide; that is perfectly fi ne. However . . . however, I think that they should be given time to let the people see when it is the appropriate …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Would any other Honourable Member care to speak? Then I will go back to the Honourable Member who brought this Bill, yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me just say I think thi s has been a very good debate. We …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Anyway, I think it was a good debate. I am not going to get into that. He knows that most of us have not interpolated at all through this meeting or even called for points of order. So, Mr. Speaker, with those …
The Speaker The Speaker All right.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. I would like to ask that the Deputy [Speaker] [take the Chair of Commi ttee]. 1048 2 March 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Pause] House in Committee a t 11:18 pm [Mrs. Suzann Roberts -Holshouser, Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL HUMAN RIGHTS AMENDMENT ACT …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Members. We are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further discussion on the Bill entitled Human Rights Amendment Ac t 2016. I call on the Member responsible for the Bill to continue. The Member from constituency 6, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank …
The Chairman Chairman Members, are there any objections to rising to report progress?
The Chairman Chairman I am not clear. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman We will rise and report progress. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee rose, reported pr ogress and sought leave to sit again.] [Pause] House resumed at 11:20 pm [Hon. K. H. Randolph Horton, Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE HUMAN RIGHTS AMENDMENT ACT 2016
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, on the Second Reading of the Human Rights Amendment Act 2016, it has been agreed to rise and report progress. All other matters, I believe, are carried over. The Chair will recognise the Minister of Health. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 2 1 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.]
The Speaker The Speaker Carry on, Minister. BILL THIRD READING PUBLIC HEALTH AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Public Health Amendment Act 2016. I move that the Bill do now pass.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Any objections to that? The Bill is now passed. [Motion passed: The Public Health Amendment Act 2016 was read the third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker That concludes the Orders of the Day. Mr. Premier? ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that we adjourn until Friday, March 4 th.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, the House is adjourned to Friday, March the 4th. [Gavel] [At 11:22 pm, the House adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 4 March 2016.]
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