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February 29, 2016

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Chamber House of Assembly
Date Feb 29, 2016
Session 2015/2016
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337 speeches from 20 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Members, you would have received the Minutes of the 19th of February, which are to be confirmed if there are no objections. There are no objections, so the Minutes of 19th of February are confirmed. [Minutes of 19 February 2016 confirmed.]
The Speaker The Speaker The Minutes for February 26 th are deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Members, just that the same two MPs, MP Weeks and Junior Minister Scott are still out. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. The Chair will recognise the Mi nister of Community and Sport, M inister Patricia Gordon- Pamplin. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. CIVIL UNION ACT 2016 Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the inform ation of the Honourable House of Assembly a draft consultation Bill entitled the Civil Union Act 2016.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mini ster. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MIN ISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Minister. Patricia Gordon- Pamplin, you have the floor. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning again.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, good morning. SAME -SEX M ARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: This morning, I am tabling a draft consultation copy of the Civil Union Act 2016 . Two weeks ago, I also tabled the Bill ent itled the Matrimonial Causes Amendment Act 2016. In essence, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are no reports. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker We now move on to the Question Period. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Members. We now move into the Question Period, and the Chair is first going to recognise MP Walton Brown.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS
Mr. Walton Brown Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Honourable Minister can answer this question: In light of the Government’s seeming embrace of obligations passed on to Bermuda through the European Conve ntion of Human Rights, I am just wondering to what extent that convention has determined Government’s position on this particular issue …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes, Mr. Speak er. Thank you for the question, Honourable Member. The Government, obviously, has considered first and foremost the decision that has come down from the court, and has augmented that information with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Ri ghts.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. MP Brown , again.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Bermuda House of Assembly SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Walton Brown Yes, supplementary. In not making direct reference to those oblig ations enshrined in the European Convention, is the Governm ent not concerned that as they posit with r espect to immigration, they might be out of step with international best practices and standards?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do not believe that we are necessarily out of step. But I think the i ntent is to table the Civil Union Bill for consultation, as we are doing today, so that Members and the public can have an indication as to what …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 15. MP Roban, you have the floor.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Su pplementary to the answer.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Walter H. Roban Can the Minister perhaps be clearer as to which specific convention of the Eur opean Convention they are citing, as well as the local case that is being used specif ically to rely on the move to bring about these proposals?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The specific case, the precedent case, has been the Oliari and Others v. Italy decision that was put down by the European courts, which eff ectively says that a country has an obligation to provide a framework within which samesex couples have a right …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Yes, MP Roban, a follow -up? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Walter H. Roban The Minister also made reference to a local case, did you? Or was it just the Oliari? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Bermuda Bred.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, she mentioned Bermuda Bred.
Mr. Walter H. Roban I'm sorry. Okay. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Supplementary?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Would the Minister agree that it had nothing to do with the European Conve ntion, but it had to do with a case that you quoted? B ecause you mentioned that it had come into practice with the European Convention, which it was not. …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I just responded that this had to do with both of the instances that had to be considered.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, follow -up? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Then a follow -up to my ho nourable colleague here. What part of the European Convention are you quoting then? Because it had nothing to do with —
The Speaker The Speaker I think that was — Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: It had to do with a case, not the European Convention.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You can argue forever. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Minister refers to the European Convention.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: And my colleague asked about, which article is she referring to? It had nothing to do with the European Convention; it had to do with a case. So I am asking, what article is the Minister quoting?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I understand the question. I will have to get the specific reference to the article, which I would ask my Honourable Attorney 852 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly General to provide you with. He is not here at the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Learned Member from constituency 34. Your supplementary?
Ms. Kim N. Wilson I have a supplementary, yes, please.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Ms. Kim N. Wilson With respect to this, would the Honourable Minister indicate . . . Her reference was to the Oliari case, and she also confirmed that in that Oliari case, the justices indicated that all jurisdictions have a margin of appreciation, and as such that they need to address the matter by …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Member. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you. It is for that purpose that we have tabled the Bill. And it is still here for wide consultation. This is not a Bill that is being taken up; it is here for information and further consultation.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Second supplemental?
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you. And then, would then would the Minister confirm, based on the Oliari case, and in particular the provisions concerning margin of appreciation, given the sensitivity of this matter with respect to this juri sdiction, would she confirm that the Government will look at addressing this and receiving public …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Government will consider all matter s concerning this and will move appropriately as we see fit.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency number 18. MP Burt, you have a supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. E. David Burt A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the town hall or the consultation that the Government has attempted to have thus far on this issue, it has been mentioned that, during this entire case, there is the Bermuda Bred case , but there is …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I do not agree with that.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Burt.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would then ask a supplementary. Can the Minister, seeing that she says she does not agree, explain the steps that were taken by her Government from the time that the judgment was laid down by Justice Hellman last year in February up until …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: We held many consul tative meetings, both with the clergy, with pe ople interested in the issue, people against the issue. We have also included open town hall meetings. And we also opened a website, which enabled people to give contributions to that website …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will now recognise the . . . No, you have had your supplementaries already. You have had two supplementaries. The Chair will recognise MP Foggo. QUESTION 1: SAME- SEX M ARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Honourable Minister please undertake to give us the dates of when she held those consultations that she just spoke of? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I can give you the public consultations, and I will have to refer to my d iBermuda House of Assembly ary respecting the actual private meetings that were held.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will now recognise MP Furbert. You have a supplementary again? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: A question. I have a question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 1: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, would the Honourable Minister agree that by the Government passing the legislation in 2013 has caused this whole debacle within our system as far as the [Justice] Hel lman case and the Bred case?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I am sorry. If the Honourable Member could repeat the question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Could you repeat that question? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Would the Honourable Mi nister agree that by the Government passing the legi slation in 2013, two words and a comma, it started this whole issue regarding the [Justice] Hellman case and the Bred case?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Conceivably, but I cannot guarantee it.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will recognise . . . Do you have a supplementary to MP Foggo’s question? SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Yes, thank you. Thank yo u, Mr. Speaker. Would the Honourable Minister also indicate that, by virtue of the Government’s failure to even a ppeal this case, the [Justice] Hellman case, that it left a lot of ambiguity within the law, as well as it presents the position that we …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me just say that I am really thrilled to hear Members so interested and concerned when they have been out, and the bird has had their tongues, leading up to this point in time. But in response …
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. I cannot hear you, Honourable Minister. This is a matter that is important. And I think that Members should listen. So I think it is importan t for us to be attentive to what is being said. It is important and it is also helpful to me …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Leader of the Opposition, Honourable Marc Bean, who has a question. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Honourable Minister, based on previous experience (when we can remember), we are discussing the Human Rights Amendment. And the argument was that that will lead to claims …
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Minister. 854 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gor don-Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate that question because the Honourable Member would be aware that we tabled two weeks ago (to which I have made reference …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Hon. Ma rc A. R. Bean: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary for the Honourable Minister.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: The Honourable Minister will know that just a few days ago, her own appointed Human Rights Commission had made a public stat ement and have circulated the same in a letter to all Members of the Legislature, making it clear that they will …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, in life, there are no guarantees. I cannot guarantee that this s ituation will not be challenged. And I believe that the purpose of our having a legal system and con-struct is to provide anybody who is aggrieved by legi slation that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 18. You have a suppl ementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. E. David Burt I have a supplementary, if I may, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Minister’s answer just now, she said that there are no guarantees that can be given. Would the Minister at least, I guess, admit that her Government told this House that the amendments to the Human Rights Act …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister’s last response just reminded this Honourable Chamber that it was the former Attorney General who, in fact, made the position of the Government at that time abundantly clear, that there would be no steps taken towards …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I think that the position that was taken by this Gover nment at the time of the debate and the tabling of the previous Act to which we have now been referring has been consisten t. We said at that time it …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. The Chair — SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Supplementary. And I just want to make sure to clarify. I am not sure if I heard it. But can the Honourable Minister confirm that by not accepting the amendment at that time it was a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise again the Leader of the Opposition. This is your second question. Yes? QUESTION 2: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the second page, the Honourable Minister referred to the Supreme Court …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not want to tread on the feet of another Ministry, but in my understanding I can give it to you as best I understand. And that is that there are a set of regulations which are …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourab le Minister. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 3, MP Lovitta Foggo. You have a supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes, Mr. Speaker. Based on the rulings regarding same- sex couples, when you look at heteros exual couples who are in long- term relationships, what is going to be in place regarding them? Because one would think that if this is only going to apply to same- sex couples, then …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What? They are illegal.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Not in Bermuda. [Inaudible interjections] 856 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, polygamy is not —
The Speaker The Speaker Hold on. Honourable Members, Honourable Members. I need to hear what is being said. I need to hear every word. Thank you. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, polygamous relationships are not enshrined in Bermuda law. So therefore, they are not legal. In addition to which, heterosexual couples, notwithstandi …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member!
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you. The Minister just —
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 34. You have a supplementary?
Ms. Kim N. Wilson (Sorry.) Supplementary, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Ms. Kim N. W ilson The Minister in her statement just indicated that polygamous relationships or polyg amous marriages are not recognised in Bermuda law. Nor are marriages of same- sex [couples]. So again, back to the original question: What processes will be place by t he department to determine what is a permanent relationship? …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I answered in the previous question. I answered that this would be one method by which couples can show that their relationship is permanent. There may be other s that will come under the ambit of the Department of Home Affairs. And I am …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, we have question period! [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 34. The Learned Member, MP Kim Wilson, you have the floor.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Just for clarity, it is a supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? All right.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Yes. Just perhaps for the edific ation of all to the question.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson We have just heard the Honourable Minister indicate that polygamy is not recognised in law in Bermuda. So, therefore, there would be no issues concerning the question that was raised by the Honourable Member from constituency 3. However, in the next breath, we heard the Honour able Minister indicate that, …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No, that is not what I am saying, Mr. Speaker. I do not know how the Honourable Member can deduce that same- sex ma rriage is akin to polygamy. All I can say is that that is a different legal construct than that whic …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Leader of the Opposition. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One more question just for the record.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 3: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: The Honourable Minister said that in the first phase, from receipt of a petition in May of 2015, this Government committed to hearing all sides of the issues. Mr. Speaker, you would note that that is …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I think it is important to put this in the context, Mr. Speaker, that when this Minister has received any petition or any infor mation, I have acted upon it. I have taken information to my Cabinet colleagues, and I have acted upon it. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Yes, MP Wilson, you have a question?
Ms. Kim N. Wilson A question.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson The Member from [constit uency] 34. QUESTION 1: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bearing in mind that the Oliari case, to which the Honourable Minister has cited, speaks of the i mportance of a margin of appreciation insofar as ad-dressing the issues of the jurisdiction, and bearing in mind that the majority of the 22 countries that have legalised …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I think I have r esponded to that question, that the margin of appreci ation as identified in the Oliari case is one that perhaps could have been adopted by the community at the time that two wo rds and a comma were debated. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 18. MP David Burt, you have a question? QUESTION 1: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS
Mr. E. David Burt Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Minister’s Statement, the Minister refers t o the Bermuda Bred case. And inside of the Bermuda Bred case, there is specific reference to the February 2015 A. and B. v. the Director of Child and Family Services , which …
Mr. E. David Burt I have a supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. E. David Burt I thank the Minister for her r esponse. However, once that ruling was handed down, the Governm ent had to come up with a decision. And the decision was to accept the ruling of the court in making that statement inoperative, or looking to amend any legislation to confirm the …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of adoption has not been the topic of this particular Ministerial Statement that I have given today. And I am quite happy to have further discussion relating to what further has been done with respect to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. Yes.
Mr. E. David Burt Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. E. David Burt Though the Minister may say that they are a different topic, she makes specific refer-ence to the Bermuda Bred case. And Bermuda Bred case made specific reference to A. and B. v. the D epartment of Child and Family Services. And the re ason it is relevant, Mr. Speaker, is …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I can only say that the Justice’s determination that nothing had been done in the 12 months since the A. and B. decision was not correct. That is all I can say.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Yes, MP Burt.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will move on to my second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. QUESTION 2: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS
Mr. E. David Burt Because we have heard quite a bit of discussion today regarding the margin of appreci ation. And this is something that is very important i nside of the human rights context. The human rights context states that the government must test the margin of appreciation. Is the Minister telling this …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Let me say that the forums that have been conducted thus far are part and parcel of an entire strategy and accumulation of information, dissemination of information. And we i ntend to continue that discussion with the public. It is important to point out …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Yes, you have a supplementary? The Chair recognises the Leader of the Opposition. SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I would like to ask the Minister, because we are not speaking about or asking about a strategy. We are asking about the …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, I do not know how many different ways the Honourable Members are going to try to ask the same question. I believe I have responded to it. And I just do not think that we are getting anywhere …
The Speaker The Speaker All right, Minister. That is fair. The Chair will recognise now MP Burt. You have another question? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. E. David Burt Yes, Mr. Speaker , and this is supplementary on this particular issue. Because I think it is important that the public understand and are able to drill down. The Minister has stated that the Bermuda Bred case will go into effect today. So, the question is, given that this paper …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: No. The Honourable Member said he will repeat the question, but I do not know that I am equipped to answer that question at this particular point in time, as I do not wish to mi sspeak. But the Honourable Member mentioned …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise again MP Burt. You have a supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will accept the Minister’s r esponse that she will come back to us, and I look forward to the answer for that particular question on Wednesday. However, I will pose the quest ion again. Given that the Bermuda Bred case, as the Minister …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: I think we are r esponding to a directive that came down from the S upreme Court with respect to that situation. And I do not know what el se the Honourable Member wants me to mention.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Yes, the supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 34, MP Wilson. SUPPLEMEN TARY
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Yes, thank you. If I heard the Honourable Minister’s answer to my colleague that they are responding to the decision of the Supreme Court, if that decision is not in accor-dance with the position that the Government has, could the Honourable Minister indicate why they did not (a) appeal; or …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. 860 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, just hold up. Hold up. Hold up, Honourable Member s. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, we are continuing to work through this issue methodically. I do not know what more I can say to Honourable Members.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you. The Chair will recog nise MP Burt. Yes, you have a supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. E. David Burt Yes, thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, in the response from the Honourable Minister, we just heard an interpolation from the Honourable Deputy Premier, saying that Parli ament is not supreme. I think that I want to make it clear, and I think the Minister should make it clear in …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, Honourable Members. [Gavel]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Sorry.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you. It is the case of the Government, what they would like to put in place. As the Minister just answered a question that came from the H onourable Member from constituency 34, she stated that if the Government has an opposite position to the courts, they can either …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Mr. Speaker, that question is best answered by the Ministry of Home Affairs, and not the Ministry responsible for Human Rights.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 3.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Given that, in the court of law, the judge is there to rule within the confines of the law, what is being put in place —certainly, something must be put in place, because we cannot operate in a vacuum—to counter or deal with the possible onslaught of people just coming …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: That question is best asked of the Home Affairs Minister, because we are talking about people coming into the country free of immigration control. That is not the remit of my Mi nistry.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Yes. Yes, Honourable Member, do you have a question?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, I have a question.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes, your second question. Do you have a supplementary? You have a lready had your supplementary, Honourable Member. You have had two supplementaries. MP Wilson. SUPPLEMENTARY
Ms. Kim N. Wilson Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Honourable Mi nister can explain to me, bearing in mind the answer that she just provided to this Honourable House and the public, with respect to the answer to our reasonBermuda House of Assembly able questions that we are asking, …
The Speaker The Speaker And that is absolutely correct. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Honourable Members ought to know that. The S peaker: And right now, the Honourable Members will have to know that she is absolutely right. Even though . . . Yes. The Members may have co ncern. But a Minister, in …
The Speaker The Speaker It is your second question. QUESTION 2: SAME- SEX MARRIAGE AND CIVIL UNIONS Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. I c learly understand what the Minister is saying. But has the Cabinet made a decision in regard to that matter? Has the Cabinet made a decision? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The matter that we have been talking about all this time. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Which matter? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The matter of, first, adoptions, same- sex adoption.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Cabinet d eliberations respecting any matter that is not under my particular remit I will leave to the Minister responsible.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes, the Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 18. MP Burt, yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. E. David B urt Mr. Speaker, I am slightly co nfused. The Honourable Member just asked a question. The Honourable Minister said, I will not answer to something that is not underneath my remit, and then she spoke about adoption. However, I do believe the Department of Child and Family Services falls underneath the …
The Speaker The Speaker She does not have to answer the question. And if she answers it, then it is okay. But she does not have to, Honourable Member.
Mr. E. David Burt But, Mr. Speaker, she did not say she did not have to answer it. She said, It is from a department that is not underneath my remit. It is clear that the Department of Child and Family Services falls underneath that Ministry. So I am hoping that she could answer …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Sorry. Mr. Speaker, just for clarity, the Honourable Member said, about the things that we have been discussing. Can you answer what is happening about the things we have been discussing? And that is why I asked specifically. So if he is speaking to …
The Speaker The Speaker Just a minute. Honourable Minister, I cannot hear you. I cannot hear. This is an important issue, Members. It is an important issue around the country! So let us try and be clear. Let everyone have the opportunity to hear everything that is said. Thank you, Minister. Hon. Patricia J. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Minister. Yes. MP Burt. Yes, you have your second. SUPPLEMENTARY 862 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that, and I am hoping that the Minister can indicate, given that the case goes operative today, …
Mr. E. David Burt So if the Minister could please answer. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Which matter? [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. E. David Burt The Minister asked, Which matter? The Minister has deferred to the Minister for Home Affairs. The Junior Minister for Home Affairs sits in this House. So if she is deferring, the Junior Minister for Home Affairs can make clear the position of the Go vernment on this issue. What I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Minister. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Members. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. STATEMENT BY MINISTER [Update] AMERICA'S CUP UPDATE Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: I do not know if this would be an appropriate time, but on Friday, in a Statement that I made about the America’s Cup, I i ndicated I would be happy to come back to the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Absolutely, yes. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minis ter. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: The Honourable Member from constituency 18 had referenced an art icle in Bernews from the BTA talking about 1,170 America’s Cup visitors who had checked that box on the immigration form. And he had …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Minister. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Honour able Members! [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker We need to . . . this is not good enough. If we are going to have proper discussion guys! [Pause] [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, carry on please. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as indicated last Friday, there were 768 America’s Cup vacationers. There were 409 business -related travellers. There were nine visiting America’s Cup family and friends. In addition to that, based on information coming from …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [Constituency] 33. Dr. the H on. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you. —from [constituency] 33 had asked about media representation. I do not have a complete list of all the media that attended. But what I can tell him, if it would be helpful, is there were two representatives from Australia; …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. Yes, the Chair will recognise the Member from constituency 18.
Mr. E. David Burt Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister’s giving those numbers. Given that he read them off very quickly, I will just ask to be able to be provided a wri tten copy. And just to clarify for the record, when I asked the question on …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. So you will let him have the [document]? All right. Good. MP Burt, the Minister will provide you that i nformation. Thank you very much, Honourable Members. That concludes our question period. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 26 [sic].
Mr. Jeff Sousa Good morning, Mr. Speaker. It is number 28.
The Speaker The Speaker Constituency 28, MP Jeff Sousa. You have the floor.
Mr. Jeff Sousa Yes, good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Jeff Sousa Good morning, colleagues. Goo d morning to those in the listening audience. I rise today to ask the Honourable House to send congratulatory remarks to the Berkeley Institute dance programme, in particular the Director of Dance and the dance teacher, Nakia Manders. On Friday evening, I thoroughly enjoyed attending their …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 3, MP Foggo.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Simmons. Go ahead.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo First, I would like to be assoc iated with the congratulatory remarks for the dancers at Berkeley Institute. Secondly, I would like congratulations to go out to the students of Cedar Bridge Academy, who bragged spectacular results on their GCSEs [General Certificate of Secondary Education]. It just speaks to the …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 29. MP Zane De Silva, you have the floor. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silv a: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like the House to send congratulations to Mr. Eron Hill, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Honourable Minister Atherden, you have the floor. Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously, I want to be associated with the congratulations to Tawanna Wedderburn, and I am obviously looking forward to her contribution to the initiatives that we have with respect to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 15. MP Walter Roban, you have the floor.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to bring a request of condolence to someone; I am not sure this was done. But this gentleman passed away during the summer when we were at break, Mr. C. Ross Smith. I am not certain that condolences were brought for him. Ross Smith …
The Speaker The Speaker It was done. It was done. So you should associate yourself.
Mr. Walter H. Roban I will associate myself because I was not aware that they were done when we r eturned, Mr. Speaker. The Speake r: Yes.
Mr. Walter H. Roban But I would like to be, of course, associated with the congratulatory remarks given to Ms. Wedderburn. She is a very old friend of mine, and I am always happy to see Bermudians taking roles of leadership in this country in their chosen professions. So to see her succeed, Dr. …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Lieutenant -Colonel Curley was made up this weekend as the new commanding off icer to succeed Lieutenant -Colonel Foster -Brown. I wish to ensure that a congratulatory message is sent. Bermuda House of Assembly I generally would have liked to have the Premier, because he is the Minister responsible for …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from St. George's [North], constituency 1. MP Kenneth Bascome, you have the floor.
Mr. Kenneth (Kenny) Bascome Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues. I would jus t like to ask that a letter of congrats be forwarded to the CedarBridge Academy on the Lady WildCats, who just participated in the Disney President’s Cup football tournament. Our young ladies went to the tournament undefeated. They came home …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 17, MP Walton Brown.
Mr. Walton Brown Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask this House to send a letter of condole nce to the family of a former Dean of Bermuda College, Mr. Bertram Guishard. And we are going to associate, I expect, the entire House. Mr. Guishard was one of my deans for a period …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Minister of Economic Development. Honourable Dr. Grant Gibbons, you have the floor. Dr. the Hon. E. Grant Gibbons: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would ask that congratulations be sent to the XL Group. As some Honourable Members …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much, Honourable Mi nister. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable and Learned Member, constituency 36. MP Michael Scott, you have the floor. Hon. Mic hael J. Scott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hearing the reference by my colleague, Mr. Brown, MP Brown, to Dr. Guishard, may I …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constit uency 21, MP Rolfe Commi ssiong.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. 866 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Rolfe Commissiong: I would concur with the Honourable Minister for Economic Development. It is great news for Bermuda. The House will also n ote the great work, the ground- breaking work that went into this by …
The Speaker The Speaker No political speech.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong So I just want to continue now, Mr. Speaker, by extending condolences to the family of Mr. Wilbur Keith “Corney” Dyer. Mr. Dyer, who was a constituent of mine, was a Key West man.
The Speaker The Speaker Who was he?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong Yes. Wilbur Keith Dyer. He was more commonly referred to as Keit h Dyer, by his middle name. The nickname was “Corney.” That goes back to his great -grandparent, or his grandfather. But he passed away roughly about a couple of weeks ago. A great Key West man from out …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 35. MP Dennis Lister, you have the floor. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today is one of those dates that only c omes around every four years, February 29 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They stay younger than us. Hon. Dennis P. Lister: They s tay younger than us — very true, very true. But I have a cousin who was born on this day, Mr. Speaker. So she gets to celebrate that rare-occasion birthday today. And I would just like to stand back …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It would be 10. Hon. Dennis P. Li ster: Yes, 10, yes, it would be 10. I had to stop and think. Yes, she is 40. So it is 10. So we would like to recognise her today on her birthday. My colleagues from [constituency] 36, Mr. Scott, and from …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much. The Chair will now recogn ise the Honourable Member from constituency 13. Mr. Rabain, you have the floor.
Mr. Diallo V. S. Rabain Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker, again. I would like to be associated with the comments for Ms. Lisa Reid, who is a cousin of mine, as well. Mr. Speaker, I would also like a letter of congratulations sent to the Elliott Primary School family for their science fair that …
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Thank you, Honoura ble Member. Would any other Honourable Members care to speak? There are none, so that concludes congratul atory and/or obituary speeches. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. Bermuda House of Assembly NOTICE OF MO TIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker We do have one, which is being d eferred by the Honourable Minister of Finance. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, we will resume in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2016/17. I would like to ask that the Honourable Member from constituency 14 please take the Chair. [Pause] House in Committee at 11:25 [Mr. Glen Smith, Chairman] COMMITTEE …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, Members and the li stening audience. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2016/17, for the Ministry of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 27 and 29. Five hours have been allocated to this head. I call …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Member. Are you almost finished your sentence? It is close to lunch. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes. I will finish the paragraph, and then we can break. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Of this total, 11 events involved young people …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. The House will resume at 2:00 pm this afternoon. Proceedings suspended at 12:29 pm Proceedings resumed at 1:59 pm [Mr. Rolfe Commi ssiong, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2016/17 [Continuation of debate thereon]
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now about to r esume in the Committee of Supply. And as soon as the Junior Minister enters t he Chamber he will resume with his presentation on the respective Heads. Junior Minister, are you prepared to continue? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman And as noted in the morning session the Junior Minister is advancing Heads 93, 27 and 29, consideration of thos e respective Heads. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman As soon as the Junior Minister is ready. I just will remind Members, including our liste ners, that we are considering the Ministry of Home A ffairs and the Junior Minister speaks to that in the House of Assembly. And, again, we are considering Heads 93, 27 and 29, part …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Point of order, Mr. Chairman. Just for the benefit of the listeners, if the Ju nior Minister could perhaps just rearticulate which cost centre that he is moving from . . . for the benefit of the listening audience. That is all I ask.
The Chairman Chairman That is fine, Member from constit uency 15. Are you fine with that, Junior Minister? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. You may proceed. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: This is actually found on page C -20, Grants and Contributions of the Approved Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for Fiscal Year 2016/17. Presently, there are regular markets held at the Rubber Tree Market in Warwick, the Hidden Treasures Market in …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Junior Minister. Again, we are considering the Heads for the Ministry of Home Affairs. Those Heads were 93, 27 and 29. The Chair now recognises the Shadow Mini ster of Home Affairs, MP Walter Roban
Mr. Walter H. R oban Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the thorough presentation given by the Government on the Ministry of Home Affairs as this is a Ministry that plays a . . . as has even with the three Heads that have been debated today, plays a crucial role in t he day …
The Chairman Chairman Shadow Minister, just under two hours left.
Mr. Walter H. Roban Just under two hours. I will thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to sort of recap, because the Junior Mi nister did start some time ago, so, perhaps, the listening audience has forgotten some of the earlier com-mentary of the Junior Minister on the expenditure of this particular Ministry of Home …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Particularly, last year, what was the number for last year, Madam Chairman? As I did not see in the Budget Book the actual number of work permit exemptions that would have been applied for. Obviously, there is a fee for that and I would be interested to know how many …
Mr. Walter H. Roban I am sure that someone else on my team will have something to say about those things. I am trying to be, I am trying to stick to the numbers and not get too flowery at this point, but I am sure some of my very able colleagues will get …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes, yes, it is. It is right under the number of landing permits processed. The Chair man: I got it, got it.
Mr. Walter H. Roban And I would be interested to know what those letters are usually for. Permission for what? And there are quite a number here projected, certainly, that were done in 2015, and 935 for the target outcome. What is exactly are these letters of permission for? What sort of activity? And …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Okay. All right. Going further down the page, Madam Chai rman—actually no, I would like to mention something else because this is an issue of concern that was brought to my attention and I do not want to go out now without actually talking about it. And it goes back …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Yes, [section] 20B(2)(b). And also because along with that has been some natural isation as well. What have been the revenue impacts of those two areas? I will go on to page B -307. What time is it now, Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman The time is 5:15.
Mr. Walte r H. Roban Okay. I will not be much longer. On page B -307, Business Unit/Professional Services, there is a number of 510 for status register entries. How many of these for the year 2015/16, how many of these are specifically associated with births and wi th grants? I would be interested to …
The Chairman Chairman You are quite welcome. The question I have is do you want to stop the process now, or do you want the substantive Minister to answer your questions?
The Chairman Chairman I mean, you stood to the floor to ask the questions. The question I have is do you want — Bermuda House of Assembly Member, would you take a seat please while I have an answer.
Mr. Walter H. Roban I had a lot of questions, so I am quite happy to get my answers from the Minister either in writing or maybe another time
The Chairman Chairman Fine. It is your choice. I want to make sure that I am giving everyone the opportunity. Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to speak to the Heads that we have before us this evening? Thank you. The Chair recognises the Member from constituency 17. Mr. …
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I will not be long. I would like to hear the answers from the Junior Minister. Referring first to Head 29 on the issue of domain name registrations —
The Chairman Chairman Do have the page?
Mr. Walton Brown [Page] B -309.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Walton Brown It jus t seems very inefficient that even today we still have a requirement for a Gover nment department to actually approve of domain name registrations. That is an inhibitor on business deve lopment. And I know there have been at least two occasions in the past 12 months where …
The Chairman Chairman Can you help me just by pointing out what line so that he would be able . . . are we still u nder performance measures?
Mr. Walton Brown Compliance o n page B -303, we are looking at the Operations Division.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Walton Brown And so I want to know where that file is. Has it disappeared? If it has disappeared, would the Junior Minister be happy in having assi stance in locating i t? Because I can contact the person who actually put the file together. I want to know if there is …
The Chairman Chairman Member, remember we are discus sing the lines and not the contents of the lines. So if you have a question about the money that was spent on it?
Mr. Walton Brown Oh, absolutely.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, I just need you to be clear.
Mr. Walton Brown It is about the efficacy of funding if we are getting really value for the money we are spending. Because the issue of Bermuda status and PRCs is a very sensitive one it is important for Government to convey information accurately and reliably. And so when you have information that …
Mr. Walton Brown How so? And the Junior Minister asked with a straight face, so let us explain how so. If you look at the demographic makeup of the beneficiaries of this, for example, if you look at it in terms of the racial makeup or gender makeup, it is 73 per cent …
The Chairman Chairman I want to hear you. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman Member, I should only hear one voice on the floor.
Mr. Walton Brown I noticed also in the Performance Measures the reference to the number of people who were added to the stop list.
The Chairman Chairman Can you help me?
Mr. Walton Brown That is on page B -308, Perfor mance Measures.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
Mr. Walton Brown Foreign nationals on stop list. Well, I do not think there can be anybody else other than a foreign national on our stop list, unless we are putting Bermudians on the stop list as well. So you might want to rethink that wording. But I noticed that the performance measure …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members that would like to ask any questions under the Heads that we have before us? There are no other Members. So Minister, if you would please proceed. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Well, we have had quite a lot …
The Chairman Chairman A reminder that — Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —the responses.
The Chairman Chairman —the Heads finish at 5:56. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Okay, so I have about 20 minutes or so. Okay. Referring to page B -299, MP Roban asked about reduction in Salaries to $78,000, which is a 6 per cent reduction, and what was driving that r eduction in salaries. …
Mr. Walton Brown Point of clarification. Would the Member . . . ?
The Chairman Chairman Does the Member choose to hear the point of clarification? Yes, please, have a seat then.
Mr. Walton Brown It is a question for clarification.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, question. Yes, please. POINT OF CLARIFICATION
Mr. Walton Brown So in terms of dealing with the issues of workers who are abused and so forth, we already have a m inimum wage when it comes to the nannies, in order to reduce that abuse would the Go vernment consider imposing a minimum wage in other categories of employment, such …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: I cannot address that. I just cannot address that. You would have to take that up with the substantive Minister. And I am sure he can point you in the right direction. But you know, what I would say to the general …
Mr. Walter H. Roban Point of order, Madam Chai rman. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: —put in place.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Have a seat please, Minister. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Walter H. Roban I think the Honourable Member is misleading the House. Because I did not ascribe blame to the Government on these, I raised these as points of concern from the public and I actually com-plimented their additional staffing for compliance so that they can more aggressively pursue these efforts. So for …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Shadow Minister? Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chairman. [Inaudible interjection] Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: No, it is not about, it is not about blame. But we have beefed up, we as a Government have beefed up the punitive measures against employers …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. These Heads have come to a conclusion for the debate. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Well, I tried t o give the answers. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. So if you would proceed to move the Heads. Mr. Sylvan D. Richards, Jr.: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move Heads 93, 27 and 29.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. It has been moved that He ads 93, 27 and 29 under Home Affairs be approved. Are there any objections to that motion? No objections. Agreed to. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 27 and 29 w ere approved and stand part of the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. We now move to the next Ministry and that Ministry is Legal Affairs. That has a time allotment of three hours. I call on the Minister in charge to proceed. Minister? MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I am obliged, Madam Chai rman. Under the Ministry …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Please proceed. HEAD 87 —MINISTRY OF LEGAL AFFAIRS HEA DQUARTERS Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Madam Chairman, the Mini stry of Legal Affairs, under my direction as the Minister of Legal Affairs and the Attorney General, is charged with responsibility for upholding the Constitution and Legal System of Bermuda. …
Ms. Park and Ms. Marcus. The first is “I am thankful for the Witness Care Unit. From the first time Ms. Park contacted me she was always caring and reassuring. She kept me updated on every stage of the case. Just knowing she was there helped me through the pain and fear that I was experiencing. I did …
The Chairman Chairman Well, we know you are wise and learned. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Shadow Attorney General also has a copy of them. But it shows the sterling work that has been achieved by the members of the D epartment of Public Prosecutions in this past year. Future Events Hon. Trevor …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Honourable and Learned Attorney General. Is there any other Member who wishes to speak to these Heads? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member from constituency 36, the Honourable Shadow Attorney General. Hon. Michael J. Scott: Mr. Chairman, I am very grateful for this opportunity to respond on the …
The Chairman Chairman Well, it is clear you are engaged in a stream of consciousness — Hon. M ichael J. Scott: A stream of consciousness . James Joyce is alive and well in my presentation. But the Learned Attorney General produced the summary on the Legal Aid Services, and I have a few …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 87, 4, 74 and 75 be approved. Is there any objection? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Sorry. Yes, yes, [Heads] 87, 3, 4, 74 and 75.
The Chairman Chairman I left out [Head] 3, sorry. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That is a ll right.
The Chairman Chairman So it has been moved that Heads 3, 4, 74, 75 and 84 — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: [Head] 87. 926 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: —[Head] 87 be approved. Any objection to that? So approved. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Ministry of Legal …
The Chairman Chairman Attorney General? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I would move that the Committee rise, report progress, and ask for leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Commi ttee rise, report progress, and sit again. Any objection to that? So moved. [Gavel] [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply rose, r eported progress and sought leave to sit again.] [Pause] The Deputy Sp eaker: Thank you, Members. We are now moving back …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Carried over. The Clerk: [Item] No. 4 has been carried over. Order No. 5?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Pr emier. You have the floor. ORDER STATISTICS (CENSUS OF POPULATION AND HOUSING) ORDER 2016 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I move that consideration be given to the draft Order entitled the Statistics (Census of Population and Housing) Order 2016, proposed to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Is there any objection? No objection. Proceed. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The matter before this Honourable House this evening is consideration of the Order entitled the St atistics (Census of Population and Housing) Order 2016. In less than three months from today, the D epartment …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Premier. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 17. MP Walton Brown, you have the floor.
Mr. Walton Brown Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, obviously, we support this O rder. We recognise the importance of it. And of course, it demonstrates our ability to support important legisl ation and Orders coming from the Government side when we feel that it clearly is of benefit to the public. So …
Mr. Walton Brown I cannot hear myself, Mr. Speaker. [Pause]
Mr. Walton Brown I would like to know, if you look at the Schedule 1, Characteristics, you have Character-istics, (a), (b), (c) . . . Question 2(c) Sex. Can you just confirm whether “Sex” is the proper nomenclature for today? “Sex” as opposed to “gender”? If you use sex, then you have two …
Mr. Walton Brown So I just want to know —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Are you sure you want to ask that question?
Mr. Walton Brown Well, I just want to know, what is the standard? What is the international norm today, to use “sex” or “gender” in the questionnaire? So that is the first thing. Secondly, I see that you have “race” being asked, but there needs to be “ethnicity” as well. And I think …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Where you were born. Mr. Walton Brown: Mr. Speaker, I am not quite sure what that means. Because you could be born in a country, but not be a citizen of that country. So what I want to know is whether the technical people can have the adequate and proper …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Right.
Mr. Walton Brown So I thought I would go into some of the detail on the questions. And once again, I only get to speak once?
Mr. Walton Brown So I guess if the Honourable Premier could have those questions addressed, I would be most appreciative.
The Speaker The Speaker Would any other Member care to speak before the Premier responds? [No audible response]
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank the Honourable Member for his contribution. And I am pleased to see, Mr. Speaker, that the Honourable Member is comfortable with the work of the Statistics Department (my words, not his) — [Inaudibl e interjection] Hon. Michael H. …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any other Honourable Members who would care to speak or ask questions of the Premier? [No audible response]
The Speaker The Speaker Since there are none, Premier. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now that we have concluded the debate, I move that the draft Order be approved and that a message be sent from t his Honourable House to His Excellency the Governor. The Speaker: Thank you, Premier. Are …
The Speaker The Speaker Order Nos. 6 through 11 are carried over. Order No. 12, in the name of the Honourable Member from constituency 6. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, we w ill carry that over.
The Speaker The Speaker Right. Thank you, Honourable Member. And the motions, I assume that all of the m otions are carried over. And with that being said, Honourable Pr emier? ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I move that we now adjourn until Wednesday, March 2 nd.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member from constituency 6, MP Wayne Furbert. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an interesting day. This morning we starte d out with the Minister reading a Statement, and I am sure that most Members in this House, …
The Speaker The Speaker They tried to? It is on the [O rder] Paper. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I was talking about the Ho nourable Member, the Bill, sorry, the Bill from . . . I know this is confus ing, but the Honourable Member, David Burt’s, Bill—
The Speaker The Speaker There was a reason for that. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Right. But my point is this: Is the Government going to be debating the Matrimonial Causes Bill? Or are we asking the people to make the decision between same -sex marriage or union? Because it is confusing. Will the Government …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, no, no. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Right? They can say no, no as much as they want. But up to last week when the Honourable Minister . . . As a matter of fact, the Honourable Minister said in a meeting that I think was held at Berkeley, the …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, Honourable Minister. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 932 29 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. There was nobody on this side who said that we would not have a referendum during the Question Period thi …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. I think that is correct. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: He was talking about the margin of appreciation. You remember our discussion about the margin of appreciation and how we deter-mined it. Our side was saying we could determ ine that margin based on, I think it was the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Amen! Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Because that Honourable Member Grant Gibbons has been in two parties, also. All right? All of them, except for a few of them, have been in three of them. All right? So I do not know what . . .
The Speaker The Speaker Stay focused, stay focused. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: When they lose next year, Mr. S peaker — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members, give the Honourable Member a chance to speak. [Gavel] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: When they lose next year, Mr. Speaker, they will probably go back to the United Berm uda Party, because that is the only time most people remember it. So do not talk about me joining …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You won’t or you will? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I will. I will. Because as time goes on, we understand generationally. I accept that. I will live to see it. I understand that the Chief Justice can make a decision, and I will live by the Chief Justice’s dec ision. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member We know where you stand, but you’re so unusual. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I have received e- mails, Facebook messages from my good friend (and I said I was a good friend) Tony Brannon, all of them. But I know where they stand . And at the end of the …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Same- sex marriage is between a male and a female? [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Sorry, sorry.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You just confused yourself now.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Members! [Gavel] Hon. Wayne L. Furb ert: They know I slipped up. That marriage between a male and a female, all right? Yes, my mind was on the other thing. If marriage can be defined between male and female, will they bring that piece of legislation that the Ministers, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It is on the Order Paper.
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, the matter is on the Order Paper. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I know —I know —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member He is confused, Mr. Speaker. He is confused. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: If you look through the di scussion of the other one, it is in there, too! So which one are we debating?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, it is not. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, it is. That is all I am going to say, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate your kindness.
The Speaker The Speaker I have allowed quite a bit of leeway. You will appreciate that. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes. I understand. Yes, I do. Yes, I appreciate it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Gavel] [At 8:45 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Wednesday, 2 March 2016.]
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