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Session 2015/2016
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February 19, 2016
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House of Assembly
Date
Feb 19, 2016
Session
2015/2016
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9
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128 speeches from 9 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker
Honourable Members, first I would like to apologise for the late start. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [12 February 2016]
The Speaker The Speaker
The Minutes of the 12th of February 2016 have been confirmed. The Minutes have been sent out to all Honourable Members. If there are no objections to that, then the minutes will be confirmed. [Minutes of 12 February 2016 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker
There are none. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER DECORUM IN THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. Honourable Members, I should like to make a few brief comments about the sudden and unexpected outburst that occurred last Friday in the visitors’ Gallery. First, while I know Members know this, inside these Chambers, demonstrations of any sort are not permitted. Our rules are clear on this, as …
The Speaker The Speaker
There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker
The Chair will recognise first the Ho nourable Premier. Premier Dunkley, you have the floor. STATISTICS (CENSUS OF POPULATION AND HOUSING) ORDER 2016 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour this morning to attach and submit for the consideration …
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Premier. Are there any objections to that? The Chair now recognises the Honourable Deputy Premier, the Minister for Finance. Mr. Bob Richards, you have the fl oor. NATIONAL ECONOMIC REPORT OF BERMUDA 2015 Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour …
The Speaker The Speaker
Are there any objections to that? Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker
There are no petitions. 662 19 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes, and the Chair will now recognise the Deputy Premier, the Honourable Minister of F inance, Minis ter Bob Richards. 2016/17 BUDGET STATEMENT Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Honourable Members of the House of Assembly, m ost Bermudians remember Hurricane Fabian. In its …
The Speaker The Speaker
Honourable Minister, can you hold just for a second? I think some Members . . . Let Members have their . . . [Pause] Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: May I proceed, sir?
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the economy is growing once again after six years of contraction. The major parts of the economy —the trunk lines, if you like —would be international business, i nward investment, consumer confidence, property va lues, bank credit and, last but …
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Honourable Minister. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker
There are none. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker
I see no one. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE The Sp eaker: There are none. NOTICES OF MOTION FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker
There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker
Government? The Clerk: There are Government Bills. GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker
The Chair will recognise the Honourable S. D. Richards. He is not here, so the Chair will recognise the Junior Minister, Nandi Outerbridge. FIRST READINGS HAMILTON SEWAGE AMENDMENT ACT 2016
Ms. Nandi Outerbridge
Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Hamilton Sewage Amendment Act 2016.
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Honourable Member. The Chair will now recognise the Honourable J. J. Athe rden. PUBLIC HEALTH AMENDMENT ACT 2016 Hon. Jeanne J. Atherden: Mr. Speaker, I am intr oducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next …
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes, the Chair will recognise the Ho nourable Member, MP Burt.
Mr. E. David Burt
Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Good morning.
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 28, I move for leave to introduce and read a Bill for the first time by its title only, entitled the Referendum Amendment Act 2016.
The Speaker The Speaker
The Referendum Amendment Act 2016? I have not seen it. Can I see? Can I have sight of it?
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Orders, the Bills are tabled and then given to —
The Speaker The Speaker
Can I have sight of it?
Mr. E. David Burt
You certainly can have sight of it. But I am asking for leave to introduce the Bill for the first time, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. E. David Burt
So, have you granted leave?
The Speaker The Speaker
But it would be good for the Speaker to be able to see it, even though it is not on the [Order] Paper.
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker
So I would appreciate it if you would let me see the Bill.
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker, I have no issue with you seeing the Bill. Clearly, the Bill is here. However, I guess I am asking . . . I moved the motion to introduce the Bill for the first time.
The Speaker The Speaker
I have no problem. I have no problem. I understand [Standing Order] 28(1). There is also another portion, which is always why it is important for the Speaker to have knowledge of the Bill. It is b ecause there is a part of [Standing Order] 28(1) which 678 19 February …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members
Exactly. Exactly.
The Speaker The Speaker
So in that re gard, Honourable Member, I cannot accept a Bill that impacts the Consolidated Fund, according to [Standing Order] 28(1) and also [Standing Order] 28(5)(1)(a)(ii).
Mr. E. David Burt
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. But, Mr. Speaker, the Bill of which you have is an amendment to a public Bill.
The Speaker The Speaker
It is an amendment, Honourable Member, that in my view will cause expenses —
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker
Hold on.
Mr. E. David Burt
The amendment to a public Bill cannot cause expenses. The S peaker: Hold on, Honourable Member. If you will take your seat. And this was the reason why it is important to not try to catch people in slips. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker
As a cricketer. [Laughter and inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker
And let me—
Mr. E. David Burt
Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker, although you are the Speaker, I take offence to [it] being said that I am tr ying to trick. [Laughter, inaudible interjections and general uproar]
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker, I am following the rules of Standing Orders —
The Speaker The Speaker
Honourable Member, thank you.
Mr. E. David Burt
And I do believe that —
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Honourable Member.
Mr. E. David Burt
And I do believe that our Whip has communicated that you have ruled on this issue.
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you, Honourable Member. Thank you, Honourable Member. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker
Honourable Members, I have to say, and I am going to rule that this Bill here does impact the Consolidated Fund.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member
Of course, it does. SPEAKER’S RULING [Bill disallowed —Standing Order 28(5)(1)(a) ]
The Speaker The Speaker
So I am . . . and in that regard — Please take your seat . In that regard, I have no option but to rule that we cannot allow such a Bill. It cannot be on the Order Paper for this order of business. Thank you. Thank you, Honourable …
The Speaker The Speaker
There are none. NOTICES OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker
The Chair will recognise the Honourable Member, K. N. Wilson.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, at the next day of meeting, I propose to move the following motion: WHEREAS unemployment is at unprec edented levels — Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Point of order. Point of order,
Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker
Yes, Honourable Member. POINT OF ORDER Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, the motion as shown on the Order Paper contains matters of opinion and argument, which should not be in a motion. The position that we take on this side of the House— and this refers to all of …
The Speaker The Speaker
I would appreciate it, Honourable Member, if you could point out what are the opinions. In fact, I would think, Honourable Member, because of the fact that these types of motions have been on the Order Paper before, if we could address your objection to each motion I think it …
The Speaker The Speaker
In regard to motions, motions are— [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker
If Honourable Members would be atte ntive, it would be helpful. A motion is a formal proposal that the House takes action on of some kind. In fact, in our Standing Orders it says that motions involve words like “Whereas” and “resolution” in our motions. So, Honourable Attorney General, you …
The Speaker The Speaker
Well, it is not necessarily . . . Honourable Member, I take exception, not all are opinions. If you could indicate which are opinions. Not all of these are opinions. I take your point in regard to— Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That very first one is a matter of opinion.
The Speaker The Speaker
Whereas , which one? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: That unemployment is at u nprecedented levels. [Inaudible interject ions]
The Speaker The Speaker
Is that not a fact, Honourable Member? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: No. In fact, we are saying unemployment is down.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Point of order, Mr. Speaker, point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker
Just one second, Honourable Member. Honourable Attorney General , please take your seat for the point of order. Yes, Honourable Member? POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that the Attorney General is, albeit perhaps innocently, misleading this House. It is a matter of public record based on statistics that have come from the Department of Statistics, discussed ad nauseam here in this House, that we are suffering from unprecedented levels of …
The Speaker The Speaker
I think that is a fact, Honourable Member, in my view. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes, Honourable Member. Hon. E. T. (Bob) Richards: Unemployment levels have, in fact, reduced. The last thing, I think it was 7 per cent. It was 9 per cent. So to say unprecedented levels is not factual.
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes? Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Mr. Speaker, thank you. Mr. S peaker, I stand on behalf of the Member from [constituency] 34 to reiterate our position that these are statements. They are not statements of opinion to inflame the House, but merely to have a …
The Speaker The Speaker
All right. Thank you. Yes, Attorney General ? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Well, I guess I will have to say that that is a no- ball. [Laughter] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The point here is that once you open up . . . So someone is not tabling a motion; …
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you. Also, I think it is important that, if a matter is a fact, then it could be incorporated in the motion. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I would say no. I would say no. Looking at the compendium that they used in the House of Commons, it says at …
The Speaker The Speaker
That is actually in the House of Lords, Honourable Member. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: I think it is both. But in an y case, it says that it is not in order to incorporate statements of opinion or the demonstration of a point of view . So even if you …
Mr. E. David Burt
Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
And also . . . Honourable Member Burt, take your seat a second, please. Attorney General , let me just say also, I think it is to remind Members that, you know, this is not the first time that we have had the— [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker
I do not want people to be talking above me! [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker
I did not say about me; I said above me!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member
Oh. Sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker
I think Honourable Members need to be quiet while matters like this are being discussed and determined, if we are, in fact, the kind of leaders we should be. Let us be reasonable. Yes. So, what I was saying, Honourable Attorney General , is that, in fact, there are several …
Mr. E. David Burt
Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: And that is — Hon. Marc A. R. Bean: Point of order!
The Speaker The Speaker
The Honourable Member has a point of order, Attorney General . POINT OF ORDER
Mr. E. David Burt
Mr. Speaker, I had risen previously on a point of order. You asked me to sit down.
The Speaker The Speaker
Ah. All right.
Mr. E. David Burt
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My point of order is that I believe that you have ruled on this matter. And if the Attorney General would like to disagree with your ruling, it is within his right to move to override the ruling of the Chair, but I think we should …
The Speaker The Speaker
I am listening to the Attorney General right now. Yes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: The Speaker had asked me to respond. The situation will spin quickly out of hand. We see on the first motion we have three whereases. The second motion, we have four whereases, each one …
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. And, Honourable Member, one other thing, Attorney General , one thing that you . . . Would you take your seat for a second, Attorney General? Bermuda House of Assembly One thing that informs me, actually, is the fact that we really do not want to, either, exclude key …
The Speaker The Speaker
All right. Yes.
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Point of information, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. POINT OF INFORMATION
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Perhaps I can be of assistance. Is it not correct that page 330 of , Erskine May’s Parliamentary [Practice] speaks about the manner of dealing with the regular notices and . . . [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
May I continue?
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Thank you. “A notice of motion which contains unbecoming expressions, infringes the House’s rules, or is ot herwise irregular, may, under the Speaker’s authority, be corrected by the Clerk’s at the table. The alter ations, if necessary, are substituted to the Speaker, or to the Member who gave the notice.” …
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you. Yes, Attorney General . Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Needless to say, we only just received this last evening. So it is hardly enough op-portunity to look at it. But I have raised these at the first opportunity with yourself, as you will be aware.
The Speaker The Speaker
All right. Thank you, Honourabl e Attorney General . I think that, you know, in light of the fact that there are . . . and having reviewed the motions again, the majority of these, in my view, are in order. And there are . . . in fact, the …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members
Which first one?
The Speaker The Speaker
Honourabl e Member, I am talking about, “ AND WHEREAS due to the widespread use of foreign sourced low cost labour over the last two decades and real wages once inflation has been factored in have seen little or no growth.” Yes. And also, additionally, as we have di scussed, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member
Point of order.
The Speaker The Speaker
Honourable Member, the Speaker is speaking. You do not have any points of order. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker
In May’s, it indicates that a motion should not exceed 250 words. So I do not think that . . . in your case they are exceeding. So the length really is not a concern, though we try . . . being of excessive length is not helpful. I would …
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you, Honourable Member. But just so you know, it is important for me, as well, to 682 19 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly hear what any Member who has a concern has to say. So, it is important. The Chair will recognise the Honourable and …
Ms. Kim N. Wilson
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, in the next day of meeting I propose to move the following: WHEREAS unemployment is at unprec edented levels; AND WHEREAS the major ity of single -parent households are headed by women; AND WHEREAS age discrimination affects women and their employment opportunities …
The Speaker The Speaker
All right. Thank you, Honourable Member. Yes. Mr. Commissiong?
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
And I would ask that you take out the word “Government.” Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Are you goin g to ask if there are any objections?
The Speaker The Speaker
Have your seat, please, Honourable Member. Yes, Attorney General ? Hon. Trevor G. Moniz: Mr. Speaker, are you going to ask if there are any objections?
The Speaker The Speaker
Any objections to the number 1? It is a motion which has been accepted. It is a motion to the House. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker
No, no, no. It is a motion, Honourable Member. Yes. Mr. Commissiong. PARLIAMENTARY JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE TO EXAMINE THE EFFICACY OF ESTABLISHING A LIVEABLE WAGE FOR BERMUDA
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. WHEREAS it has been acknowledged that unemployment and the underemployment of Ber-mudians, and in particular that of black Bermudians, continues t o persist; AND WHEREAS due to the widespread use of foreign- sourced low -cost labour over the last two decades, real wages, once inflation has …
The Speaker The Speaker
All right. Thank you. The Chair will now recognise . . . Yes? Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Just requesting a point of clarification, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Because what the Honourable Member just read was not what has a ppeared on the Order Paper.
The Speaker The Speaker
Not exactly that, right, exactly. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: So I just wonder what it is that we are accepting as a motion.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. You should have that copied and any changes that have been made and get that to the Government.
Mr. Rolfe Commissiong
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker
Right. Because I asked that a couple of [occurrences of the word] “ Government ” and the like be removed from it. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Right. And he changed “ minimum ” to “liveable. ” And I just want to know why.
The Speaker The Speaker
Yes. And minimum. He changed that, yes. Hon. Patricia J. Gordon -Pamplin: Yes. So we do not have . . .
The Speaker The Speaker
He requested that earlier, actually, before now. But you do not have to read exactly what is on the paper. You can change, except that it is important, Honourable Member, Mr. Commissiong, that this be forwarded to Ms. Wolffe, and then forwarded the Government. The Chair will recognise the Honourable …
Mr. Walton Brown
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the next day of meeting, I propose to move the following motion: WHEREAS numerous matters concerning immigration laws and policies remain contentious, un-resolved and deeply divisive; AND WHEREAS there is a need for an incl usive approach for the betterment of Bermuda by …
The Speaker The Speaker
All right. Thank you. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker
All Orders are carried over. Honourable Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I move that we adjourn till next week, Friday the 26th.
The Speaker The Speaker
Thank you. Honourable Members, the House is adjourned to June [sic] 26th.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members
June?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not mind. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker
February 26 th . . . to February 26th.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member
I do not mind.
The Speaker The Speaker
That is when I want to come back, in June! [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker
February 26 th. [Gavel] [At 12:47 pm, the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Friday, 26 February 2016.] 684 19 February 2016 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank]