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House of Assembly Session 2023/2024 557 speeches

September 20, 2024

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The Premier announced that the Fairmont Southampton redevelopment project secured its full $560 million financing, with government backing a $75 million guarantee, allowing construction to begin within a month. He also revealed a $25 million spending package focused on mental health services, public safety, substance abuse programs, and community infrastructure while maintaining the government's balanced budget target. Several ministers presented new regulations and agreements, including changes to electricity licensing for large solar projects and a major lease deal with Google for a cable landing station.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Sep 20, 2024
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 26
Speeches 557

Key Topics

Fairmont Southampton Hotel redevelopment project receives full financing ($560 million)Government announces $25 million social investment package for mental health, public safety, and community servicesNew electricity licensing rules for large solar installations over 500 kilowattsGoogle cable landing station project lease agreement for Burrows Hill propertyCreation of Bermuda Land Management Corporation from merger of two government bodies

Bills & Motions

Electricity Amendment Act 2024 - introduced to create new licensing category for large solar installations
Multiple financial regulations and orders tabled for future consideration
Draft lease agreement between Bermuda Land Management Corporation and Google's Seagrass Services Limited presented for House approval

Notable Moments

The House observed a moment of silence for former MP Kenny Bascome who recently passed away
Premier emphasized this is the largest tourism investment in Bermuda's history and dismissed critics who doubted the Fairmont project would succeed
The session included an unusual additional statement added at the last minute about the social investment package

Debate Transcript

557 speeches from 26 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. The Clerk will now lead us in prayer. PRAYERS [ Prayers read by Mr. Clark Somner , Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. Welcome back. We want to look nice and fresh this morning. It looks like we are in for a good session—what is left of the session, the last two weeks. But before we take our seats, as I open this House this morning I am going to …
The Speaker The Speaker The House is now open. Join us in a moment of silence. MOMENT OF SILENCE [In memory of Kenneth Leon Bascome] [ Members rose and observed a moment of silence.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 19 July 2024 ]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 19th of July have been circulated. Are there any amendments that are required for them? No amendments. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [ Minutes of 19 July 2024 confirmed] ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR The Speaker: Before I move on, let me …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING
The Speaker The Speaker We have three Members who have indicated today that they will be absent: Honourable Minis-ter Tinee Furbert, MP Lovitta Foggo and MP Susan Jackson. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker This morning, Members, we have 11 papers that are going to be introduced. The first is in the name of the Premier. Premier, would you like to do your papers? BANKSAND DEPOSIT COMPANIES (RESTRICTED BANKS) AMENDMENT ORDER 2024 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. INVESTMENT BUSINESS (RECOGNISED BODIES) (REPORTING ACCOUNTANTS) (FACTS AND 1612 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly MATTERS O F MATERIAL SIGNIFICANCE) REGULATIONS 2 024 Hon. E . David B urt: Thank y ou, Mr . Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. INVESTMENT B USINESS (RECOGNISED BODIES R ECOGNITION REQUIREMENTS) REGULATIONS 2 024 Hon. E . David Burt: Thank you very m uch, Mr . Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Investment Business (Recognised Bodies Recognition …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm- hmm. C ontinue. TAX R EFORM CO MMISSION FINANCIAL STATEMENTS (FEBRUARY 12, 2 018– OCTOBER 2 1, 2018) Hon. E . David B urt: Thank y ou, Mr . Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. CONTRIBUTORY PENSIONS (AMENDMENT O F BE NEFITS) O RDER 2024 Hon. E . David Burt: Thank y ou v ery much , Mr . Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the Contributory Pensions (Amendment of …
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE ( NO.1 ) FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/25 Hon. E. David Burt: Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Finally, pursuant to the powers conferred by section 96 of the Constitution, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Members, the next paper this morning is in the name of the Minister of Works. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. DRAF T LEASE AGREEMENT SEA GRASS SERVICES LIMITED, THE BERMUDA LAND MANAGEMENT CORPORATION AND THE BERMUDA GOVERNMENT
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the draft Lease Agreement between t he Bermuda Land Management Corporation and Sea Grass Services Limited, referenc ing [the] area of land comprising 5.9 acres located at Burrows Hill, Southside Ridge …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, the next paper this morning is in the name of the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. POSITION PAPER ON PROGRESSING BERMUDA’S MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Position Paper on Progressing Bermuda’s Minimum Hourly Wage.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The Minister of Health has the next two. Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly BERMUDA HEALTH COUNCIL (HEALTH SERVICE PROVIDERS) (LICENSING) REGULATIONS 2024 BERMUDA HEALTH COUNCIL (HIGH RISK HEALTH TECHNOLOGY) REGULATIONS 2024 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. I have the honour to attach and submit for …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And the final is in the name of the Junior Minister. Junior Minister.
Mr. Jache Adams Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. NATIONAL PENSIONS SCHEME (FIRST -TIME HOMEOWNERS REFUND) REGULATIONS 2024
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to attach and submit for the consideration of the Honourable House of Assembly the National Pensions Scheme (First -Time Homeowners Refund) Regulations 2024 , proposed to be made by the Minister of Finance in exercise of the power conferred by sections 24(9)(f) and 69 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, those are all of the Papers and Communications. We thank you, Ministers, for presenting them, and Junior Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker Members, on the Order Paper the re are nine Statements. However, I am going to seek your indulgence this morning. You know there are often things that happen overnight that are very important business to bring to the attention of the public. And I think one such matter has happened …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier. FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON TRANSACTION FINANCIAL CLOSE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, good morning again. Let me first express my thanks to you and to the whole House for the indulgence by which I make this Ministe-rial Statement this morning. The subject of my Statement today is a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier . Would you like to do your second Statement now? Hon. E. David Burt: Certainly, Mr. Speaker. LIFTING PEOPLE UP —SOCIAL INVESTMENT — PUTTING THE PEOPLE FIRST Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, earlier this morning I tabled in this Honourable House the Supplementary Estimate (No.1) …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier, for both of your Statements. The next Minister this morning who is delivering a Statement to us is the Minister of Works. No, that is our Deputy Premier, I jumped down with that extra Statement being put in there. The next one will be the Deputy …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. TABLING OF AMENDMENTS TO THE ELECTRICITY ACT 2016 TO CREATE A BULK GENERATION SOLE -USE INSTALLATION (BGSUI) LICENCE B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, today I am tabling the Bill entitled the Electricity Amendment Ac t 2024; legislation that will create a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Works. Minister. ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BERMUDA LAND MANAGEMENT CORPORATION
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to announce the official establishment of the Bermuda Land Management Corporation . Mr . Speaker, in July 2002 the then Cabinet decided that the Central Policy Unit should complete a re-view of 17 quangos which focused on the following objectives: 1.Determine whether …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would you like to do your second Statement now, Minister?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, go right ahead. LEASE BETWEEN THE BERMUDA LAND MANAGEMENT CORPORATION AND SEAGRASS SERVICES LIMITED
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker , I am proud to demonstrate to the listening public this Government’s pledge to foster economic development and diversification in Bermuda. I tabled a motion earlier this morning in this Honourable House to approve the lease agreement between the Bermuda Land Management Corporation and Seagrass Services Limited , …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. POSITION PAPER ON PROGRESSING BERMUDA’S MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to introduce in the Honourable House today the Position Paper on Progressing Bermuda’s Minimum Hourly Wage . Mr. Speaker, as Members of this Honourable House may recall, the first statutory minimum hourly …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister for the Cabinet Office, Minister Caesar, and I believe it is her first Statement in this role. So, Minister, you have the floor. BERMUDA RECOGNISED AS AN ASSOCIATE MEMBER OF THE GLOBAL CBPR FORUM …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Transport. Minister. CRUISE SHIP SEASON 2024 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every great accomplishment begins with a vision —a dream that seems unattainable at first, but through perseverance …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —of the 2024 cruise ship season, provide a snapshot of the projections for the remainder of the year and compare last year to this year. Mr. Speaker, the 2024 season began with a projected 190 calls. Subsequently, a few additional calls were added …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of National Security. Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. CYBERSECURITY ADVISORY BOARD UPDATE Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to provide this Honourable House with an update on the appointment of the Cybersecurity Advisory Board [the Board] and the enactment of the Cybersecurity Act 2024, which received royal assent earlier this year on June …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Junior Minister of Finance. Junior Minister.
Mr. Jache Adams Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. HELPING TO BUILD A NATION OF OWNERS
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning in this Honou rable House pleased to announce an exciting and forward- thinking initiative that fulfils a promise from the PLP’s 2020 Election Platform and continues our path towards building a nation of owners . Mr. Speaker , homeownership is not just a cornerstone …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. Members, that brings us to a close of the Statements by Ministers and Junior Ministers this morning. And we will move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Let me set the clock here for that. One moment. There are written questions this morning, but those written questions did not require an oral re-sponse. So, Opposition Leader, have you received your written responses? Hon. Jarion Richardson: I have not, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker They should be up . . . Mr. Lamb, should have had them . . . I’m tabling . . . I will make sure you get them. We should have had them available for you now on the table. Hon. Jarion Richardson: I am looking forward to getting the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. They have been received. He should have by now just hit Send to you once we got to this stage. So, I will have him send it as soon as he gets back here. So the written responses have been received through Parliament, and they will be put in …
The Speaker The Speaker That will move us now to the questions from the Statements that were presented this morning. And we have a few questions from the Statements. And the first question this morning would be to the Deputy Premier from MP Pearman. MP Pearman, would you like to put your question? QUESTION …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is the question to Minister Roban, correct?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Thank you, Minister. And thank you for your Statement to this Honourable House this morning on the Tabling of Amendments to the Elec-tricity Act. In your Statement, you say that we are going to see the creation of a licence for “large developments to generate electricity above the current …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you. As mentioned in my Statement, the likely initial candidate will be the National Sports Centre. And the Government is already deploying a major development 1626 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly of a number of buildings that will have …
The Speaker The Speaker Do you have a supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, supplementary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Minister, in identifying those two potential sites. In relation to those and quoting from your Statement, you say that the Bill is seeking to strike “a balance between the needs of the licence holder (also known as a distributed generator), and the …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, second supplementary. So just so we are clear, Minister, where you say in the second paragraph, “licence holder,” that is any new potential licence holder? I think that is what you have just confirmed. Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. QUESTION 2: TABLING OF AMENDMENTS TO THE ELECTRICITY …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, second question. On page 2 of your Statement, you have indicated (and I will quote again) that it “would be completely off the grid, that is, would not have a BELCO meter. Bulk Generation Licence holders must enter into a Power Purchase Agreement . . . with BELCO to …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, supplementary. Thank you. Yes. I think we are in the right church. Just let us see if we can get in the pew here. You are talking about potential, as I understood it, large- scale self -supply licences for potentially two identified spots, namely, NSC [National Sports Centre] and …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Certainly. The applicant who holds the new licence for electricity would not be totally off -grid. So, I do not believe that is what I said in my Statement. Someone who is exclusively self -supplied would be off grid. That is a totally different licence …
Mr. Scott Pearman Second supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Minister, I am grateful, and I thank you for that answer. And just because you said you did not say it, it is the top of page 3, paragraph 1, you said it “would be completely off the grid.” I appreciate that you have now answered that and clarified …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful for the clarification.
The Speaker The Speaker Third question?
Mr. Scott Pearman No. No further questions. No. Thank you. The Speaker: Okay. Thank you, Minister. Those were the only questions to you this morning. We now move on. The next Statement that has questions is the Statement from the Minister of Economy and Labour. And MP Pearman, would you like to put …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you to the Honourable Minister for presenting in this Honourable House today his Statement entitled Position Paper on Progressing Bermuda’s Minimum Hourly Wage. (Oh, I see. You have moved seats. I apologise, I did not see the Minister in the Chamber. But he has …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Theoretically, if the cost of living goes down, then based off of the two- year calculation, if it goes down in the first year and is up in the second year, then you will take an average of the . . . you take the cumulative …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? MP King, supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Robert King Yes, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the minimum wage, the question is for the Minister responsible. I am wondering if the rise in the minimum wage, or reduction, would be based also on the amount of business of the employer. So, if the employer is basically breaking even, understanding that the Consumer …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary. Mr. Pearman, this would be your first supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman This is going to be my first supplementary, or in fact it is going to be my second question. If that’s all right, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Second question. No problem. QUESTION 2: POSITION PAPER ON PROGRESSING BERMUDA’S MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Honourable Minister, for those answers. Still on page 2, this is about the cap. So, this adjustment is going to occur every two years (by the second paragraph), and you say it is going to be capped at 2.5 per cent per year. Just so I am clear, …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Incorrect. Because it is a twoyear review, it means the maximum cumulative it will go up will be just over 5.0 per cent, because of the 2.5 [per cent] in the first year and the 2.5 [per cent] in the second year.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman No further questions. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Thank you. Minister, that brings to an end the questions for your Statement. We will move on. The next Statement that has questions is the Transport Minister’s. And the Opposition Whip would like to put a question to you. MP Cannonier. QUESTION 1: CRUISE SHIP SEASON 2024
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. What is the plan to handle this oncoming of 57 new calls as far as transportation is concerned? We recognise that it is extremely stressed at this point. And if we are going to have 57 more calls, what are we planning to handle the trafficking back and forth …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I did not believe the Member was talking about 57 calls in the fourth quarter. So, we have had calls in the fourth quarter for many years. And as you know, the busiest season is our summer season. So, what we can handle right now …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Supplemental. The Honourable Minister is saying that it should not be a problem. I guess I am looking for something a bit more definitive than it should not be a problem. We are reading in the papers, and if you go up to Dockyard and you listen to taxi …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I am not saying it will be totally perfect. Let me make it very clear to that point. But we have managed to a certain degree for the summer season. And in the winter season, we should Bermuda House of Assembly see fewer …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or new question?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I just want to be clear on what the Minister is answering. So, I will do another supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier In trying to understand, the Minister just said that there are seasons where it is high and low. I am really talking about those high season times where it is extremely [stressful]. We know that when it is low port calls that we do not have a problem. But during …
The Speaker The Speaker He is asking for the second question. You used your two supplements. Now ask the second question.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Yes. The Honourable Member is making an assumption that I know what the plan is. I do not know what the plan is. So, I am asking if he can lay out what that plan is to us.
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Member has not been living in Bermuda. Everybody in Bermuda is well aware that the Government is looking at how we deal with ridesharing. That increases more transportation on our roads. You are well aware of that, aren’t you?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Go ahead. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: So, the Honourable Member is well aware of that. If he is not, then like I said, he has not been living here on this little beautiful Island of ours. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Supplementary?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No supplementary. This guy is ridiculous. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. New question?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier New question. Yes. New question.
The Speaker The Speaker We can keep that at — [Crosstalk]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I will retract that, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. QUESTION 2: CRUISE SHIP SEASON 2024
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But it does speak to what I am about to ask now. That is why I commented. Also, on page 5 of the Honourable Minister’s Statement, he has made a mistake here. Unless he has 1630 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly . . . He …
The Speaker The Speaker It is a clerical error that has to be clarified for the sake of the record.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier For the sake of the record.
The Speaker The Speaker For the sake of the record. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: For the sake of the record, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is aware that the Member is not an MP. But as I said, he again is as well aware of that issue as he is with the numbers as …
The Speaker The Speaker He was pointing out a clerical error for us to correct. Thank you. Thank you. The next Statement that has questions this morning is for the Junior Minister. Junior Minister, the Opposition Leader would like to put questions to you. QUESTION 1: HELPING TO BUILD A NATION OF OWNERS Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister. Hon. Jarion Richardson: How will the Junior Minister . . . how does he intend to mitigate the risk that we will not in fact be increasing more of the sandwich generation and putting more pressure on those families? Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister.
Mr. Jache Adams Good morning, Mr. Speaker. So, as I mentioned in the Statement, the Ministry of Finance is working with the Pension Commission on not only mitigation efforts, but also efforts to educate the public prior to their making a decision so that they are fully aware of their decision and t …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes. Would the Honourable Junior Minister be able to describe some of these potential impacts from un-dertaking this action?
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister.
Mr. Jache Adams Absolutely. I mean, yes. One of the impacts is that people who do not currently have a house will now have an option to have a house. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Jarion Richardson: Point of clarification. The question was in relation to the increased pressures onto the sandwich generation and …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, I am unaware of where in the Statement it is referring to about a sandwich generation. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes. Thank you. I will make that clarification. The Honourable—
The Speaker The Speaker Are you making reference to a comment in the Statement itself?
Mr. Jache Adams No. That was a comment made by the Honourable Premier. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I beg your pardon. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Oh. Oh, oh, okay. It is two separate Statements. Bermuda House of Assembly [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Your questions are to the Junior Minister now, right? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Mm-hmm. Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, the sandwich generation would not refer to him; it would refer to the Premier’s Statement. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I was waiting for everyone on the Government side to stop talking so I could get to you. [Laughter] Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, guys, for …
The Speaker The Speaker So, your supplementary is based on his response. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes, sir.
The Speaker The Speaker And his response was that you are going to help show them how to mitigate some of these — Hon. Jarion Richardson: Some of these impacts.
The Speaker The Speaker —impacts. Hon. Jarion Richardson: And he said that word.
The Speaker The Speaker So now the supplementary is basically asking him, What are some of those efforts that are going to mitigate those impacts? Hon. Jarion Richardson: My question is, What are the impacts that he mentioned?
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Junior Minister, I was trying to help you out. Mr. Jache Adams: Oh, Mr. Speaker — [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Are you okay?
Mr. Jache Adams No, Mr. Speaker, it is perfectly fine. I think answered it.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Jache Adams One of the most considerable impacts of this decision or this initiative is the fact that people who could not afford to own homes will now be able to do so. That is one of the impacts of that decision.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary. Second supplementary? Hon. Jarion Richardson: Yes. Could [the Honourable Junior Minister] speak to what he is doing to mitigate and address the detrimental impacts, not the position one. I believe I am allowed another supplemental.
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister.
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, any withdrawal from your current pension savings will impact —
The Speaker The Speaker Is your microphone on?
Mr. Jache Adams I believe so. Is it?
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Okay. Yes.
Mr. Jache Adams Yes. So, any withdrawal from your current pension savings will impact your benefits as you retire. That is a risk that we recognise. That is a risk that we are preparing for. And that is a risk that we will educate the applicants [about] prior to their making the decision.
The Speaker The Speaker You have had your two supplementals. Would you like a second question? QUESTION 2: HELPING TO BUILD A NATION OF OWNERS Hon. Jarion Richardson: No, thank you. We got there. We got there. The second question (thank you, Mr. Speaker) is on the long- term security. The Honourable Junior Minister …
Mr. Jache Adams So that I am clear, he is asking for other types of pension plans other than defined benefit plans —i.e., defined contribution plans. And so, I guess I am asking for clarification. I think that is the answer. Another example is the defined contribution pla n. Is [the Honourable Opposition …
Mr. Jache Adams So, as I mentioned earlier, withdrawal from defined contribution plans will have an im-pact on the benefits as individuals retire. Hon. Jarion Richardson: I think I would go to, What are the impacts? But I think I will leave it there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Any further questions? Hon. Jarion Richardson: No, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, that brings us to a close of the Question Period. Oh, I am sorry. Opposition Whip, you had a question for the Junior Minister, too.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you. Thank you,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker All right. QUESTION 1: HELPING TO BUILD A NATION OF OWNERS
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier You did not mention in your Statement, Minister, exactly defining how much can be accessed. Is that something due to come? Or what . . . In the Statement I would have thought at least you would let the public know how much they can access of their pension plan.
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister.
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, yes is the answer. It was due to come. As I said, we are tabling it. And it was due to be mentioned in our brief. But to give an example, we are looking at individuals between the ages of 18 and 45 who will be able to …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier No. Second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. Okay. QUESTION 2: HELPING TO BUILD A NATION OF OWNERS
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Was there any thought when you were looking at this potential of access to pensions for homes for first -time owners . . . was there any thought possibly around this whole discussion of potentially looking at how we can also look at Bermudians who are losing their homes …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, there were a number of options that we considered. But I would speak to . . . Yes, that already exists. But I would also stick to the fact . . . [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Jache Adams —stick to the fact that —
The Speaker The Speaker Speak to me. Speak to me.
Mr. Jache Adams I am sorry. I would stick to the fact that it is an election promise that we made in 2020 that this is what we will do. And it is an election promise that we fulfilled.
The Speaker The Speaker Further supplementary or a third question?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I am good. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker You are good. Okay. Members, that brings us to a close of the Question Period. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker And before we move on, I would just like to acknowledge that in the Gallery that is former Senator Perinchief. And I believe MP Michael Scott was here earlier. Welcome, former Senator. Nice to see you in the Gallery. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Would any Member . . . Premier, would you like to make your contribution? Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Absolutely, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would ask that this Honourable House— and I would like to associate all Members of this Honourable House. I am sure all Members would like to be associated to send a letter to the family of the late Lefroy Brownlow …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Deputy Speaker, would you like your three minutes? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks of [condolences to the family of] Mr. Place, Brownlow Place, one of those guys —a gentleman, I should say —who used to walk just about every day down Southside where he …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. MP Lister, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning. Good morning,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Dennis Lister III I do have a lot to say, so please bear with me as I will be rushing through.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, you have got three minutes. [Laughter]
Mr. Dennis Lister III Mr. Speaker, I would first like to start off on a sad note by giving condolences. Mr. Speaker, we have been out of this House for two months. I did go over to see the obituaries of people whom I know. And I would like to send condolences first of …
The Speaker The Speaker Cup Match is the biggest event.
Mr. Dennis Lister III But I would start first off by giving congratulations to the Under -19 Boys National Football team, who this summer made it to the final of the Un-der-19 Concacaf Tournament undefeated, only to lose in the final on penalties, Mr. Speaker. It can be heartbreaking to lose, but the fact …
Mr. Dennis Lister III And we wish them . . . Mr. Speaker, St. George’s had it for about 20 years 50 years ago. We are halfway through it. So, we want to continue and hold on to this Cup and beat that record of 20 years. So, thank you, Mr. Speaker, to yourself …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. I believe one of these St. George’s colleagues would like to be recognised. So, MP Swan, would you like your three minutes?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. And I am not going to take the bait and use up any of my time. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I would like to start off with some condolences to some very key constituency num-ber 2 stalwarts who have passed on. And I would like to associate condolences to the family of Ms. Elsie Crane [Shaw] with the Deputy Speaker, who knew her very closely, havi ng been a trade …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Would any other Member — MP Simmons, Jamahl Simmons. You have your three minutes.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, Bermuda. I rise on several sad notes today to first commemorate and recognise the passing of my constituent, Ms. Lynda Augustus, who was the ultimate get -out-thevote resource for her more reluctant members of her family, because she could be counted on every …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. MP Famous, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Christopher Famous Good morning, Mr. Speaker, colleagues and listening audience. I will start off with some condolences for people from Devonshire. Ms. Geraldine Francis, a Berkeleyite. Her daughter, Lisa Jackson [deceased], a Berkeleyite. Ms. Geraldine York of the Augustus clan. And Mr. Stephen Decosta of Devonshire. All [of them are] of Devonshire. …
Mr. Christopher Famous To Liverpool for losing. And congratulations to the mighty Manchester United for beating seven– nothing warming up for this season. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [ Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution after that? MP Simmons -Wade, you have your three minutes.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade Yes. Good morning,
Mr. Speaker and the general public. The Speaker Go od morning.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons-Wade Thank you. Even though we do give condolences, I think it is very important that we acknowledge people when they are alive, and they have birthdays. But I do want to say, based on my constituency, I have so many people who have gone over 65, which makes us realise …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou, MP. Does any ot her M P wis h to make a contribution? Any ot her M ember? Colonel, y ou have your t hree minutes.
Lt. C ol. H on. D avid A . Burch Mr. S peaker, t hank you. I would like to first be associated with the condolences to the family of Kyril Burrows. Apart from working with him in Public Works many years ago, I first met him because his father, John Richardson, was my first Sergeant Major in the Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker [Microphone off]. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to join in with the condolences to the family of Kenny Cann, who was a constituent of mine. My deepest condolences to his wife, Terry -Lynn, his mother Claudette and his dad Sheridan. It …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. MP Richardson, would you like your three minutes?
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes, sir. Good morning, Mr. Speaker, colleagues and those in the listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I want to start off with condolences really for [the family of] Ms. Catherine Joy Smith. She was one of my constituents. I will associate Minister Rabain with this. As he said earlier, it is interesting because in the area where she stayed, it is the whole family. So, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Opposition Whip.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to echo the sentiment that was given already to Kenny Bascome, former MP of the House. I must say that there probably was not . . . I have not met anyone on the ground who knew how to keep …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And my father was letting him go ahead and do it! [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So, I have a lifelong relationship with him. And there was a great love for who he was and what he was able to do. I think what was most outstanding was as he matured, his love for young people. And many times, he would come to myself and others …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Any other Member? There are none. Well, before we move on, I would just like to add a couple of comments to some of the remarks. I would like to be associated with the remarks first by MP Famous …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker We have before us this morning (or this afternoon, I should say), eight Bills to be introduced. And we will start with the Premier/Minister of Finance. 1638 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Would you like to lead us off? FIRST READINGS TAX REFORM COMMISSION (DISSOLUTION, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy Premier. FIRST READING ELECTRICITY AMENDMENT ACT 2024 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Electricity Amendment Act 2024 . …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister of Health. FIRST READINGS HEALTH INSURANCE (HEALTH SYSTEM STRENGTHENING FUND) AMENDMENT ACT 2024 HEALTH COUNCIL AMENDMENT (NO.2) ACT 2024 Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am introducing the following Bills for their first reading so that they may be placed on the Order Paper …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Junior Minister. FIRST READINGS RESTAURANTS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 2024 HOTELS (TEMPORARY CUSTOMS DUTY RELIEF) AMENDMENT ACT 202 4 NATIONAL PENSION SCHEME (OCCUPATIONAL PENSIONS) AMENDMENT ACT 2024
Mr. Jache Adams Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bills for their first reading so that they may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Restaurants (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2024; the Hotels (Temporary Customs Duty Relief) Amendment Act 2024; …
The Speaker The Speaker [Microphone not on.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn for lunch and return at 2:00 pm.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Members, we now stand adjourned for lunch until 2:00 pm. Thank you. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:25 pm Proceedings resumed 2:0 2 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker A little thin here this afternoon. Good afternoon, Members. Everyone had a good lunch . . . it looks like many are still enjoying it. But we need to get started with business. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker The House is back in session.
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker . POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman We appear not to have a quorum.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, now that you mention it, I am going to act on it. I was not going to act on it. But now that you mention it . . . Whips, you need to get your people here. A [lack of] quorum has been noted. Bermuda House of Assembly [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Whips, I want to thank you for doing your job but let me remind you, we should not have to go through that. We should not have to go through that. We all know what our responsibility is. As I expect everyone here at ten o’clock, I expect everyone at …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct.
The Speaker The Speaker Correct. Okay. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Afternoon to you Members of the House and the listening public. I move that the Bill entitled the Water Resources [Amendment] Act 2024 be now read a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Deputy. BILL SECOND READING WATER RESOURCES AMENDMENT ACT 2024 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to introduce the Bill entitled the Water Re-sources Amendment Act 2024. The Bill seeks to amend the Water Resources Act 1975 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker , and good afternoon. Thank you to the Honourable Minister for his presentation on the Bill before us today which is the Water Resources Amendment Act 2024. This Bill seeks to amend the primary legislation, which is the Water Resources Act 1975, and the Opposition is …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP.
Mr. Scott Pearman We support the Bill.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other? None. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . A few questions were posed by the Honourable Member on the other side, and I welcome the fact that the Opposition supports the Bill. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy [Premier]. Deputy Speaker. House in Committee at 2:40 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL WATER RESOURCES AMENDMENT ACT 2024
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further considera-tion of the Bill entitled Water Resources Amendment Act 2024 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman . Happy to see you this afternoon.
The Chairman Chairman Likewise. Thank you, cousin. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I wish to move . . . there are 21 clauses in the Bill.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I would like to concentrate on the first 11 for the time being.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If you can give me permission for that, thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, this Bill seeks to amend the Water Resources Act 1975 to provide a more robust enforcement regime to protect public water and sea water from pollution and make the related amendments. Clause 1 provides the citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends section …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any other speakers to clauses 1 through 11? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Scott Pearman. You have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is actually a very small point, and it is as much for the legislative draftsperson as it is for the Min-ister. And I just flagged at page 4, under new clause 5, it repeals Part III of the Act and the following subsections. But then …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister, you note that. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman . Thank you to the Member. We will take that under ad-visement and consult with the drafts people on any mi-nor adjustments that have to be made. So thank you for that.
The Chairman Chairman You want to move these . . . any further speakers?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The next question I have is at clause 9 of the Bill, in these [clauses] of 1 through 11. It is at page 5 in the middle. Minister , this was really a question from the debate, but as I read it the two major things …
The Chairman Chairman It is okay. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, you want to move those clauses 1 through . . . Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, I wish to move clauses through 1 through 11.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 11 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Clauses 1 through 11 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 11 passed.] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, before I go on, I wish to welcome the …
The Chairman Chairman Always good to have them— Hon. Walter H. Roban: —for us . . . to guide us as legislators through these important matters.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: So thank you for their presence and including Dr. Geoff Smith who is the Acting Director of the Department of Environment as well who is here to give support. I now will go through clauses 12 through 21, Mr. Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —if you so allow.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Clause 12 [sic] amends section 28 of the Act to enable the Minister to require works to be repaired or modified where such works are constructed, maintained or used as to constitute a danger to the environment . . . I am sorry. Sorry, Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman I was wondering— Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am sorry. I apologise. Let me go forth. 1646 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Clause 12 amends section 29 of the Act to expand the application (this is where I should be) of an enforcement notice so …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers? MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Minister. I am now at page 7 of the proposed Bill under clause 15, which is the lion’s share of the Bill, where it [inserts] Part [VIII]. And the question I have, there is just a quick preamble. So if you look at [section] …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Roban. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I think common sense perhaps will prevail, Mr. Chairman, in that reasonable hours would mean if a severe event happened in the middle of the night and it is determined . . . reasonable hours means immediately, as soon as that particular event is …
The Chairman Chairman So reasonable hours can be any hour [within] the 24? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, sir. The Chairman: Okay. I guess the question begs, What is reasonable? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Walter H. Roban: As I have tried to specify, Mr. Chairman, if we have a pollution event of some magnitude, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —and take the proper steps. So it could be within the 24- hour period. But that would be governed by the severity of the event.
The Chairman Chairman Well, I guess the question is, why reasonable? Because reasonable could be any time it is needed. I think that is the grey area, but anyhow I . . . Hon. Walter H. Roban: We will take a further look at it,
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If we have to come back, we will come back and make the change.
The Chairman Chairman All right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much for your guidance.
The Chairman Chairman Any further speakers?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My last question relates to clause 17 of the Bill, at page 14 of the amendment Act.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And this is a question that I flagged up in debate, but I am not sure that the Minister answered it specifically. And to be fair to the Minister, it is really a matter for the draftsman or draftswoman. And the question was this. Clause 17 is amending the primary …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. They have been moved elsewhere. So, I think we made clarity in the general debate that nothing has been taken out of this. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: We are adding more to this Bill . . . the principal Act. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I think we made that clear. That we are putting more into this Bill. It is not a Bill where we are extracting anything.
The Chairman Chairman All right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any further speakers? Minister, do you want to move? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you for the robust participation by the Oppo-sition.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And thank you for those technical people who have been here to support the carrying of this Bill. With that, I certainly move that clauses 12 through 21 be approved. I would like to move on that.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 12 through 21 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. They are moved. [Motion carried: Clauses 12 through 21 passed.] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I now move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move, Mr. Chairman, that the Bill reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Water Resources Amendment Act 2024 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the Bill is reported. House resumed at 3 :10 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE WATER RESOURCES AMENDMENT ACT 2024
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Water Resources Amendment Act 2024 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. It has been reported. That brings us to a conclusion of that matter. We will move on to the next item which is the second …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the National Heroes Act 2024 be now read for a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Junior Minister. BILL 1650 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly SECOND READING NATIONAL HEROES ACT 2024
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to introduce the Bill entitled the National Heroes Act 2024 which establishes and for-malises the criteria which is to be applied in the selection of a National Hero. Mr. Speaker, as my colleagues will be aware, in [the] November 2022 Throne Speech a …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Bermuda House of Assembly Deputy Opposition Leader, you have the floor.
Mr. Ben Smith Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, just thank you to the Junior Minister for the information he has provided so far to us today. I only rise to my feet to say that the Opposition is in support of this Bill, and we obviously agree that this is an important role, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Deputy Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am so glad that the Junior Minister has brought this Bill because to me it gives some clarity on how you choose a hero. Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Any other Member? None. Junior Minister.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Opposition for their support of this Bill, and I appreciate the history lesson provided by the Deputy Speaker and his comments on, particularly, Mr. Askia , who lived in St. George’s for a number of years. I got to know [him]. He came …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I will always remember those comments indeed. 1652 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly And with that, Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. [Pause] House in Committee at 03:2 5 am [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL NATIONAL HEROES ACT 2024
The Chairman Chairman [Microphone not on]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Chairman. I just want to let you know that your microphone might not have been turned on.
The Chairman Chairman Oh! I am so sorry. Let me repeat a little because . . . Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further consideration of the Bill entitled the National Heroes Act 2024 . This Bill is being led in debate by the Junior Minister, Kim …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move clauses 1 through 7.
The Chairman Chairman Continue.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides the citation for the Bill. Clause 2 sets out the definition used in the Bill. The definition of “committee” meaning the Naming and Recognition Committee whose powers are outlined in the Bill. Clause 3 establishes that nothing in this Bill has the effect of establishing …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Junior Minister, Kim Swan. Are there any further speakers on clauses 1 through 7? There appear to be none.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. Can I just take a little sip of water?
The Chairman Chairman Certainly.
The Chairman Chairman The Junior Minister is just clearing his throat with some water, and I think he is about ready.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan If this was Cup Match I would have caught a few more water breaks. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 8—
The Chairman Chairman Let’s move clauses 1 through 7 first.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan My apologies.
The Chairman Chairman That’s all right.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. I move that clauses 1 through 7 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 7 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Clauses 1 through 7 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 7 passed.] Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I move clauses 8 through 14.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Go ahead.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Clause 8 establishes the Director of Culture as the Secretary to the Naming and Recognition Committee. The Director will be responsible for receiving the applications, maintaining the records of the Committee and arranging for the presentation of the honours.
The Chairman Chairman Member, on second thought. Let’s do clause 8 and see if anyone has any comments on it.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan All right. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clause 8? There appear to be none. [Junior] Minister, do you want to move clause 8?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Chairman. I move that clause 8 be approved as read.
The Chairman Chairman Now, there may be some speakers to clause 9 so let’s do clause 9 by itself.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Clause 9 provides for the nomination of a person for the bestowal of the honour of a National Hero to be made in writing to the Secretary to the Naming and Recognition Committee. The Minister shall advise the public of the opening of the nomination process on or before …
The Chairman Chairman Roosevelt Brown.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Roosevelt Brown. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan My wife’s very good friend. May he rest in peace.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan [Continuing] • Sir Henry Tucker; • Mary Prince; • Gladys Misick Morrell; • Sir Edward Trenton Richards; and • Sir John Swan.
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clause 9? There appear to be none. Want to move clause 9, Junior Minister?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 9 be approved as read.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clause 9 be approved as read. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. [Motion carried: Clauses 8 and 9 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman You can do the rest.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I move clauses 10 through 14.
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Clause 10 provides for the consideration of nominations by the Naming and Recognition Committee. The Committee will consider nominations, provide a report with recommendations to the Minister and advise the Minister on any matter concerning the honour. The Minister shall then submit the report from the Committee to the Cabinet …
The Chairman Chairman Clauses 10 through 14.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Clauses 10 through 14. Sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Any Members want to speak to clauses 10 through 14? 1654 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly There appear to be none. Junior Minister, you want to move clauses 10 through 14?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I move clauses 10 through 14 be approved as read.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 10 through 14 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be no objections. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 10 through 14 passed.]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. I move that the preamble . . . be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved — Oh, the Schedule first.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. I [move] that the Schedule —
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Schedule be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: The Schedule passed.]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you. I approve [sic] that the preamble be approved. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman You want to move that the preamble—
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I move that the preamble be approved. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? No objections. Approved. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The National Heroes Act 2024 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and …
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 3:37 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE NATIONAL HEROES ACT 2024
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. Are there any objections to the Bill entitled the National Heroes Act 2024 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported and that concludes that matter. Now, Members, we will move on to the item [on the Orders of the …
The Speaker The Speaker I am doing good. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, that’s good. Mr. Speaker, with the Governor’s recommendation I move that the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2024 be now read for the second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to that? There are none. Continue. BILL SECOND READING CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2024 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members are now requested to give consideration to the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2024. Mr. Speaker, since returning …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank y ou, Premier. Does any ot her M ember w ish to mak e a contribution at t his time? MP P earman.
Mr. Scott Pe arman Thank you, Mr . Speaker. G ood afternoon, s ir.
The Speaker The Speaker Good af ternoon.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, it may be felt a good thing for Bermudians that BELCO is being given a tax cut by the Bermuda Government. And Bermudians will, hopefully, have seen this tax cut to BELCO — Hon. E . David B urt: Point of or der, Mr . Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT O F ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member knows full well that this is not a tax cut for BELCO. It is a reduction on the duty rate that is charged on fuel that comes in. The Honourable Member raised that point before. He …
Mr. Scott Pearman With the greatest of respect, Mr. Speaker, I have the Bill right here in my hand. And on page 1 it says, “Eligible Beneficiary.” And it says, “ Bermuda Electric Light Company Ltd. (“BELCO”) . This is a tax cut to BELCO as the Bill states. Hon. E . David …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. POINT O F ORDER 1656 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, we know, and the Honourable Member knows, that this is not a tax cut for BELCO. And I happened to review his Register of Interests last evening …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I have no interest in respect to BELCO. Thank you very much, Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: —for Ascendant Limited as is his statutory declaration — POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I have no record with Ascendant either. Thank you very much. Hon. E. David Burt: Well, he might want to update his declarations as it says “Ascendant” on his declarations, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: But Mr. Speaker, it is clear that …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I do not sit on the board that appoints Regulatory Authorities. I think the Premier . . . it is the fourth thing he said that is wrong in the last five minutes.
The Speaker The Speaker Let us try and get to a point where we do not have to be fighting back and forth for the seman-tics of it, the particular wording. And let’s try and deal with what the gist of the Bill is. You stated your view on it. The Premier has cleared …
Mr. Scott Pearman As directed, Mr. Speaker, I will continue. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman So as I was saying, it may be felt a good thing for Bermudians that BELCO is being given a tax cut by the Bermuda Government. Bermudians will hopefully have seen this tax cut to BELCO passed along to them in their monthly bills in August or indeed September. And …
Mr. Scott Pearman —in the hands — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member continues to repeat something that he knows is not factually correct and I said . . . and I know that you said that he should move on from that point. This is not a tax cut …
The Speaker The Speaker Honourable Member, I earlier mentioned to let’s try and not get caught up in the semantics of the word and just move on to matters at hand. In the defi-nition that has been provided, the term “tax cut,” “tax reduction” may not suit in that it wasn’t a tax that …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker It is a reduction in the cost —
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker —
The Speaker The Speaker —of operation maybe, but it is not directly a tax that they would have paid. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Mr. Speaker, the eligible beneficiary in this Bill of this tax reduction is BELCO. There is no doubt about it. Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker It is a reduction. We accept that.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker But it is not a reduction of the tax that they were paying. It is a reduction in the cost of the fuel. And the tax of the fuel is to . . . everybody pays that.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, in my statement I have stated two facts.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman One, Government is reducing the tax on BELCO. That is true. Two, that reduction in the BELCO tax is being passed on to consumers. That is also true. I have stated both of those things. I have not misled anyone. And it is frustrating to me that the Premier will …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, let’s . . . we can go back and forth in trying to define the terminology, and we could be here all afternoon trying to define that terminology that suits everybody. And we miss the point of what the Bill itself is doing. I prefer to see us sit …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I will be guided by you.
The Speaker The Speaker All right.
Mr. Scott Pearman But I was elected to stand in this Parliament and represent those I represent.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And to say that this is not a tax cut for BELCO would be inaccurate because it is. The question— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: It is a reduction in cost to the operation — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: And it may help the Honourable Member because the Honourable Member knows this as his fellow colleague over there is saying, Not a lawyer. And I know that the Honourable Member is trying to create something around a tax cut for …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Can we move on without —
Mr. Scott Pearman We can. I had posed —
The Speaker The Speaker —getting caught up in this—
Mr. Scott Pearman I am happy to move on. [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman I had posed two questions. I will repeat them. One, for how long will this tax cut last? And two, how much is the tax cut? Because we have seen multiple references to multiple numbers from the Premier so far. POINT OF INFORMATION Hon. E. David Burt: Can the Honourable …
Mr. Scott Pearman I will yield. Hon. E. David Burt: —the multiple numbers he is speaking about? Because I have only given one in my 1658 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Statement. So I am looking for what else he is talking about.
Mr. Scott Pearman If he has given one, I would be grateful for him to state what that was.
The Speaker The Speaker You would like for him to restate it?
Mr. Scott Pearman I would like to know how much in real terms, and we understand that it is multiple mil-lions, the tax cut will be. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, thank you. But he can do that in his closing.
The Speaker The Speaker I was going to say, are you finished or are do you still have more to present?
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, no, no. I’ve got more.
The Speaker The Speaker We are not in Committee to get up and down right now.
The Speaker The Speaker So, just finish your presentation and in Committee you can—
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I sat only because you were addressing me, and I understood that to be the courteous thing to do. So, I am happy to continue.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman But the two questions posed are those. And the reason this tax break, whoever it may be to, is important [is] because it will mean less money in the hands of the Government to invest in other social programmes. And as I said at the outset, the Bermuda Government is …
Mr. Scott Pearman There is another.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Again, the Honourable Member misleads the House and the public. Certainly, as the Minister responsible for the regulator sector, I can assure you that not only in the Act, the Regulatory Act, the regulator is required to take account …
The Speaker The Speaker The Minister has clarified that point. Can you respond to that?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I can respond to that, Mr. Speaker. Because the RA very kindly invited the Oppo-sition to come to a meeting with them at the time of the base rate increase. And we, three of us (I believe), MP King, MP Cannonier and myself all attended that meeting. I t …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Pearman. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker. So where do I start? Let me start from the dangers of irresponsible accusations in this House that Members know …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Premier is [imputing] improper motive. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker I take it that the Minister, the Premier, was trying to stress the . . . I will use his word, “danger” of information that is not correctly what it is. I hope he was about to clarify what that point was. I was waiting to see what that point …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I am assuming you are going to provide the clarity for — Hon. E. David Burt: I am absolutely. So I am going to give the example of the real impact of what is attempted to be political point scoring from the Honourable Member on that side knowing full …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. This is certainly not for political points. This is to ensure that the people of Bermuda get the best possible deal they can. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier And for the Premier to [impute] that improper motive that it is for political points is unnecessary, including the Honourable Education Min-ister chirping. Unnecessary.
The Speaker The Speaker I will remind Members that when Members come here and rise to their feet, they are bringing a viewpoint . . . that their perspective may be different from others, but it is their viewpoint on the matter that is before us. It does not necessarily imply that it is …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections and laughter] POINT OF ORDER
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Again— [Audio skip] [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —he cannot figure out how to get beyond that. And as has been said before, he is learned enough on how to get around that.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] 1660 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: And my point of order as well, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Minister and Premier is misleading the House. He will be aware of course that BELCO is no longer owned . …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. We have had a nice smooth go thus far today. And I thought this Bill was going to be one of those nice smooth Bills as well. Hon. E. David Burt: I did not think it was, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, I am going to ask you— Hon. E. David Burt: I didn’t think so.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, Mr. Premier, I am going to — [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: Because the statements that were made by . . . Sorry, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I can see it being a bit more contentious than that, Mr. Premier. Let’s not try to add to the contention out there. Hon. E. David Burt: No problem, Mr. Speaker. But I will make this point. So, I know they do not want me to make the point, but …
The Speaker The Speaker Make your — Hon. E. David Burt: Because here is what is important,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Make your point around the tax policy — Hon. E. David Burt: I . . . I . . . I— [Crosstalk]
The Speaker The Speaker [INAUDIBLE] Hon. E. David Burt: I have moved on from the tax policy, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker [INAUDIBLE] [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: But I will go back there. But here is what is important, Mr. Speaker. Because I was speaking about why it is important to be factual; why it is important to try not to twist and turn on matters that relate to people. Here …
The Speaker The Speaker And you know I won’t tolerate that. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: But this is a message that I just received. In quotes, Scott Pearman is a blank . What the [blank] is he talking about? BELCO tax cut? That’s a ridiculous statement and is irresponsible and some-thing politics.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, Premier —
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, wait! Take your seat. Take your seat. Take your seat.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member What?
The Speaker The Speaker Everybody take your seat. Everybody take your seat. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Everybody take your seat. Mr. Premier, I think both sides of this Chamber will agree [that] the stuff that we read in the blogs, the stuff that we read out there in the social media space is not necessarily the stuff we want to be repeating in this House against …
The Speaker The Speaker So I am trying to say, let’s remove that so that we won’t have any of that on this floor. And let’s deal with what is before us. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I happy to withdraw because I take that point.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: I will just say this was not from a blog. This was sent directly from me [sic] to somebody who is at the space. But I accept that. [Inaudible interjections] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: But I withdraw. I withdraw.
The Speaker The Speaker It has been withdrawn. Let’s be clear. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: I withdraw because the point of which you are making, I completely accept it, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker One second. One second. Members, for the sake of clarity it has been withdrawn. Hon. E. David Burt: Mm-hmm.
The Speaker The Speaker And we will not have to revisit it. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes. The point that I am making, Mr. Speaker, is that inflammatory comments like that put people at actual risk of harm because it inflames persons around things which are not accurate. And this is the point that …
The Speaker The Speaker Withdrawn. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: And I will say this, Mr. Speaker. I should have known better . . . my excitement. So, I withdraw, and I apologise, and I apologise again. I should have known better on that. But let me continue, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Scott Pearman Apologies accepted. Thank you. Hon. E. David Burt: On the particular point that the Honourable Member made when talking about ques-tions and other things, the Honourable Deputy Premier spoke about the fact that . . . the point of which he raised regarding matters related to public policy and matters …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! Hon. E. David Burt: They cut day care services. They cut education funding, Mr. Speaker.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Yes! 1662 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. David Burt: Let’s be clear! And we are increasing them, Mr. Speaker. So, the records could not be any different. So, I accept that the Honourable . . . I accept that the Learned Member wants …
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair. Do not get sidetracked. [Crosstalk] Hon. E. David Burt: Dissolution or not, we will be here. Trust and believe. And when this Government delivers another budget, Mr. Speaker, we will cut those taxes further. Because that is what we are committed to: …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. You are moving us into . . . go ahead. Are you moving us? Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, s orry.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I was about to ask for the next speaker, but . . . Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, you are about to? Trust me. We weren’t going to let that happen. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill be now committed.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. [Pause] House in Committee at 4: 11 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2024
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further considera-tion of the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 20 24. The debate will be led by the Premier and Finance Minister David Burt. You have the floor, Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 1 provides a citation for the Bill. Clause 2 amends the Fifth Schedule to the Customs Tariff Act 1970 in the Table of End- Use Reliefs by repealing and replacing CPC 4703 and CPC 4705 so as to cause a …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Mr. Premier. Any further speakers to the Bill, clauses 1 through 3? No further speakers? Mr. Premier, Finance Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that clauses 1 through 3 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 3 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. The Bill will be reported to the House as printed. [Motion carried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2024 was considered by a Committee of the …
The Chairman Chairman The Speaker will . . . [Pause] House resumed at 4:13 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2024
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2024 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported as printed. Members, that brings us to a conclusion of that matter. And it also brings us to a conclusion of …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT ACT 2024 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move the Bill entitled the Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2024 be read for the third time by …
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Customs Tariff Amendment Act 2024 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that the Bill entitled the Water Resources Amendment Act 2024 be now read a third time by its title only.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING WATER RESOURCES AMENDMENT ACT 2024 Hon. Walter H. Roban: I move that the Bill now be read a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. Thank you. [Motion carried: The Water Resources Amendment Act 2024 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Junior Minister. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker No, no. Junior Minister of Culture. [Inaudible interjection]
The Speaker The Speaker National Heroes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled National Heroes 2024 be read a third time. 1664 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Any objections? There are none. Continue. BILL THIRD READING NATIONAL HEROES ACT 2024
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I move that the Bill be read a third time and approved.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been moved a third time by its title only.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member And passed.
The Speaker The Speaker That is what should have been read through. Okay? Just for future reference. The Bill has now been read a third time by its title only and is now passed. Mr. Premier. [Motion carried: The National Heroes Act 2024 was read a third time and passed.] ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak?
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy Speaker. DISCRIMINATION BY THE BANKS Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you very much. Mr. Richardson is a little slow. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, it was back on August 15 …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And that type of thing.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I read about that.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And he says, Well, maybe Government should open it up for those folks. Then he says . . . and the credit union. Well, basically what he was saying was that you are not good enough because you have come out of prison. You …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But Mr. Speaker, with the Southampton deal many doubted it. They like to figure that these things should happen overnight. Negotiations can be rough. You have got to get everything fixed to the satisfaction of all concerned. And it can take time. I have …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Took a lot of licks. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Took a lot of licks. A lot of flak from the local media. Newspaper number one. And even from some of those who will benefit. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Because they turned it into politics instead of, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And they will be the only hotel that can accommodate conventions. Conventions are big business. They spend a lot of money. And what better place to come than Bermuda, Mr. Speaker? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And what? [Inaudible interjections] 1666 20 …
The Speaker The Speaker Wise men going to the west. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Some of my colleagues told me to say that. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Wise men, they headed to the west. We understand that. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, yes, yes. They go up there and try to take some commerce out there, Mr. Speaker. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mr. Speaker, car rentals, owners of vans , cycle rentals will make …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: And she goes to church down at St. George’s. But these people have to think, [after] 50 years, came back and June- Ann took them around as she would always do. And there are other people, countless people like June- Ann Furbert who go …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Three . . . Crystal. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Oh, three! I didn’t even . . . I should have seen Crystal first. [Laughter and inaudible interjection] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Minister Crystal Caesar, she is down in the east, Mid Ocean, one of the . . . …
Mr. W. Lawrence Scott Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Sit down. Sit down. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Sit down. Sit down. [Laughter] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: But Mr. Speaker, this is a great opportunity for Bermudians in the construction stages to take advantage of the jobs …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: If you are asked to make 7:30, you don’t arrive at 7:30 to start work. If you are not on your station . . . you could be on the property, but if you are not on your station at 7:30, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes! Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: I remember those byes . And I say “ byes ” with respect. No disrespect at all. The Talbot Brothers. 1668 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly An Hon. Member: Yes! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Yes, that’s …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Does any other Member . . . MP Anthony Richardson. FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON TRANSACTION FINANCIAL CLOSE
Mr. Anthony Richardson Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon. Yes. Mr. Anthony Richardson : Good afternoon to my colleagues, and good afternoon to the listening audience. Mr. Speaker, today is a watershed moment for Bermuda. And without going over the top, I would have honestly, Mr. Speaker, honestly, after the Premier gave his Statement, the opening Statement …
Mr. Anthony Richardson And the reason is this is . . . it was so fundamental, Mr. Speaker. It is so fundamental for Bermuda, that I thought we would do that so that we are able to let Bermuda fully digest the impact of what was announced yesterday, and then the Premier emphasised …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right.
Mr. Anthony Richardson None of us know how much money that is, Mr. Speaker. That is more than half a billion dollars —with a “b.”
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s a lot of money.
Mr. Anthony Richardson That is absolutely massive. And the impact for us now, every single person, Mr. Speaker, even though we can say we think whatever, we do not know what the impact is. It is going to exceed expectations.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, it is going to exceed expectations. The one significant impact is going to be the fact that some people are going to do more than actu-ally worry about jobs. We are going to see, Mr. Speaker, new businesspersons, new entrepreneurs. New businesses, Mr. Speaker, that people are going …
Mr. Anthony Richardson So, it portends for us significant . . . significant improvements for each and every person in Bermuda. But guess what, Mr. Speaker. Be-fore I go more into comments about the Fairmont Southampton, I wanted to also make sure . . . not make sure, but I wanted to emphasise …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Why? Because the Bermuda economy has been doing exceptionally well, to the point whereby we can do this and still maintain a balanced budget, Mr. Speaker. Minister Burch, actually, also gave us some great news and I trust that those, again from the east, will appreciate the fact that there …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Mr. Speaker, I congratulate our new Junior Minister, MP Jache Adams. He knows where I am in that regard. He talked about the fact that yet again we are going to assist persons by allowing them, in a coor-dinated fashion —I underscore that, in a coordinated fashion, Mr. Speaker …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Let me press pause for a minute, Mr. Speaker, because I have to declare of course I am the MP for constituency 7, Hamilton South. And guess what? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson That is just Tucker’s Town. But guess what, Mr. Speaker? One of the main propo-nents of the Fairmont Southampton project is a resident in constituency 7. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson He is a resident. And what I will say, Mr. Speaker, is that there are others in that area who are equally involved in the project and so that will be, if you will, my bias. And I smiled also, Mr. Speaker, because as I thought about the other impacts …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Already? Another Hon. Member: A whole lot, too! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson A whole lot. And Mr. Speaker, I am going to smile— [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Don’t worry. I am smiling, Mr. Speaker, because we do not appreciate. Right? That in some contexts the legal fees are more than $1,000 per hour. So we can only imagine how much the total legal fees have been for this entire transaction for over more than a year. It …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Now, why am I emphasising that? Or why have we been saying that, Mr. Speaker? It is because again we in the Legislature and what — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson No, he is right. No, hold on. He is right. He is correct. You are told, Mr. Speaker — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson We heard an interpolation, Mr. Speaker. The big difference, and the reason why I am mentioning this, Mr. Speaker, is because for Mor-gan’s Point —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson —which is one of our black eyes —is that it was not fully funded. [Inaudible interjections] Mr. Anthony Richardson: And what was interesting, Mr. Speaker, is that even though now Morgan’s Point is partially complete, it was not able to be fully completed because they were not fully funded. [Inaudible …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, again, it is important for all of us, and I will say . . . There is a lot of interpolation, Mr. Speaker, I am trying to stay focused. I will put this here. This may calm everybody down. This morning, I think the Premier started with a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Come on now! [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
Mr. Anthony Richardson And so, Mr. Speaker, that did not happen with Morgan’s Point. They did not first count the cost and then have all the money. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Fully funded!
Mr. Anthony Richardson But, Mr. Speaker, in this case, for the Fairmont Southampton, based upon the Statement they did count the cost and they are now fully funded.
Mr. Anthony Richardson To the listening public I want to say also, just imagine on an individual basis, when you go to build a house you need to make sure you have all the money because there is nothing worse, Mr. Speaker, than getting a house three- quarters finished and, guess what. Oops! …
Mr. Anthony Richardson I am not going to defend them, that is for sure. But I will comment — [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Anthony Richardson MP David Burt, in his role as Minister of Finance, took a lot of “flak” because sometimes he would say that he expected it to close (say, next month) and it didn’t happen. Mr. Speaker, the emphasis is that this is a private project. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. E. …
Mr. Anthony Richardson It is a private project. However, the Government in its collective wisdom, decided, or agreed, to give a sovereign guarantee of $75 million. Why is that important, Mr. Speaker? It is important because we made the point during the debate that when it comes to financing, it is not science, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Anything you want to do, now is the time, Mr. Speaker, because it is the time! You’ve got two years! Everybody! [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson You have two years’ notice, Mr. Speaker. And so, Mr. Speaker, — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker . . . Mr. Speaker, it is get ready, get ready, get ready.
Mr. Anthony Richardson We as a country, Mr. Speaker, have to know that now is the time. It is not yesterday. It is now. We have to prepare ourselves. And, Mr. Speaker, to our parents. We have children. I don’t care how old your children are, parents. Prepare them for the industry. One …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Again, going back to what we have to do. And some will know what I mean about this. We have a daily schedule, Mr. Speaker, that says that something is going to happen, I don’t know, say at 7:00 am, or whatever time it is going to happen. By policy, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —a round of golf is not cheap. But guess what, Mr. Speaker. The golf courses are often full. Mr. Speaker, I again have a bias. But some of those hotels down in the east, they are so expensive, Mr. Speaker. Nightly rates sometimes are more than $1,000. But guess what, …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Absolutely critical. And again, to the credit of Minister Hayward and the rest of them, if Anthony gets paid, whatever I get paid per hour, and my [gratuities] make it up to $16.40 and I am on vacation. Guess what? I at least have to still get paid at $16.40. …
Mr. Anthony Richardson No, no! Even MP Pearman. Hey, it is what it is. And all of us, though we know that we have to do our jobs. And, Mr. Speaker, I know others will follow. At least I trust others will follow. I got you. I trust others will follow. But I …
Mr. Anthony Richardson —will have a benefit, $560 [million] (I know I only have a few seconds left). Five hundred and sixty million dollars will be shared around this economy, and every single one of us will benefit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Any other Member? Minister, you are rising to speak? Minister? Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON TRANSACTION FINANCIAL CLOSE Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we can . . . we can . . . it is obvious what the theme is from our team here. And as . . . we are touting …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Let’s not forget. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: So Mr. Speaker, we are looking forward to working with Gencom —well, Westend Properties is the one that is running this particular school as we bring . . . at this particular hotel operation. As we bring on more …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-mm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Most of it in the form of op - eds, hopefully not written by the former candidate for the OBA for constituency 9, Smiths West. An. Hon. Member: Ooh! Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, and I quote from his numerous op- eds …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Ahh! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, I fully expect that we will hear some rebuttals from the other side. But I would like for each and every one of them, before they speak, to apologise to the people of Bermuda for their negativity, to the people …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other? MP Famous.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, sir.
Mr. Christopher Famous Happy Sabbath, when it comes.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. WOMEN OF THE PLP PARTY
Mr. Christopher Famous I am going to start off with a quote from the Bible. Proverbs 31 verse 17 talks about the virtue of women. “She sets about her work . . . ; her arms are strong for [the task]. ” Mr. Speaker, today I am going to dedicate this to the …
Mr. Christopher Famous No, she wasn’t. From Devonshire. Stop it. Stop it. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Christopher Famous No, she wasn’t. Lynda Milligan- Whyte. Now, yes, of course, she kind of went a different way, and hung out with some people for a couple of years. But she found her way back home, Mr. Speaker. And for a few years she was upstairs in this building. And often, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other? 1676 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Premier? MP Caines, would you like your 20 minutes? MP Caines? MP Swan? FACT -CHECKING
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, for fear of the gavel going down, I thank you for this opportunity. Mr. Speaker, you know there is an election season in the United States. They say that when the United States sneezes, Bermuda catches a cold. So, right now there is a lot of fact -checking …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan We are democratic! We are held to account by the members of CC, by the backbench, every two weeks. I have not seen a party in Bermuda yet that can hold this Premier accountable every two weeks. And he comes here and deals with it. And I am here to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Oh yes. But let me just get back to the fact -check, right? We go forward to the person who became the Premier in 1977, because Jack didn’t last that long. We loved Jack. And Mr. David Gibbons became Premier. And what post did he hold? The second- longest Premier, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And he would always say I’ll let my record speak for itself. And in finance he had some things to tout. And then came Sir John [Swan] in the election of [19]82. And in the Parliament of 1980, that was 22 to 18. The PLP had 18 seats. And if …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I was a pallbearer at his father’s funeral in Pond Hill , [Minister] Weeks. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Right up there. The church coming down. I thought I had some currency when I went up there and only got 35 votes with the late Keith Young. May he rest in peace. Or was it 34? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thirty -four votes. I have not been up . . . I have not been to Pond Hill since. [Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But I am here to say that we have to do some fact -checking. And The Royal Gazette and TNN and those people out there in the news, 1678 20 September 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly they have it owing to themselves to get their facts right, …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I am sorry. $560 million. I am sorry. You know, give or take $50 million. [Inaudible interjection and laughter ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But let me say this. What does that mean in the real world? It means in the real world that persons out there looking at Bermuda, people that . . . I have been running around this world using my own money trying to tell them because I have been …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, sir!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And nonsense follows nonsense, and we got to put paid to the nonsense. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan We have to put paid to the nonsense. Why? And you know what, Mr. Speaker ? Prior to the recession of 2008, Bermuda, under a PLP Govern-ment, which I knew how to tickle up quite well, enjoyed the best economic boom this country ever enjoyed prior to that recession. And …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And so, you know, I am urging the writers and the people of this country to fact - check, because there is an election not only coming up in TrumpLand. It is coming up in here. And some people are trying to use that playbook. And I am not having …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. [Desk thumping]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Premier. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Wayne Caines If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. PLP GOVERNMENT SEES THE VISION OF WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE
Mr. Wayne Caines We are closer to an election today than we were yesterday.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. We are.
Mr. Wayne Caines We have seen new candidates, old candidates, new rhetoric, old rhetoric. We have seen the people of Bermuda cry out for leadership. Today was a good day. This has been a good week. Today I was caused to reflect on some pieces of legislation that I believe, Mr. Speaker, have …
Mr. Wayne Caines I think it is our responsibility to remind and to show people that things are actually going in the right direction. Sometimes we hear information from so many sources that people do not understand that there is progress being made. Now, I cannot candy -coat it. There are people who …
Mr. Wayne Caines That is —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Talk about it.
Mr. Wayne Caines —people seeing the vision of what the future looks like. When I think about what today represents, it is a story to tell to the Independent candidates. It is a story to tell to those that do not understand that sometimes you have to be a part of a team …
Mr. Wayne Caines My grandfather said a statement, and I am very careful how I say it because it can be deemed to be disrespectful. And, Mr. Speaker, that is not my intent this evening. And the adage is as follows: Fools and children should not see unfinished work. I do not say …
Mr. Wayne Caines So, what I had to do immediately was reach out to some friends and say, Do you know what we are going to do at the weekend? Let’s host a little clinic getting everybody’s résumé sorted out. Find out what their area of speciality is and allow them to get …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Caines. Mr. Premier, you rose to your feet, and I am going to accept that you are on your feet — Hon. E. David Burt: I am on my feet, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Would you like me to close out today’s session?
The Speaker The Speaker The floor is yours. FAIRMONT SOUTHAMPTON TRANSACTION FINANCIAL CLOSE Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Much appreciated. Mr. Speaker, let me say this. There is very little to add because there has been incredible contributions from this side on this motion to adjourn—speaking to issues that …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Ooh! Hon. E. David Burt: —with additional spending and reduction in taxes. The Minister of Economy and Labour spoke about the increase in employment income. When there is an increase in employment income, that means there is an increase in tax revenue. The Honourable Member who took his seat …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members and Mr. Premier. And thank you all for today’s session. I think a lot was accomplished, and we did it in a good atmosphere today. I trust that everyone goes home this weekend and gets rested and comes back for a long session next week, which will …
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