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March 21, 2024

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The Senate heard three ministerial statements covering sports, education, and animal control issues. Minister Darrell announced Bermuda's 19-member athletics team and 15-member swimming team for the upcoming CARIFTA Games and outlined major expansions to government scholarship programs. Junior Minister Simmons addressed growing concerns about dog attacks, revealing that incidents have doubled or tripled in recent years, particularly involving pit bull-type dogs. The session then moved to committee to review the Health Ministry's budget, focusing on universal health coverage implementation and various health programs.

Chamber Senate
Date Mar 21, 2024
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 10
Speeches 281

Key Topics

CARIFTA Games - Bermuda's teams for upcoming athletics and swimming championshipsEducation scholarships and awards expansion with over $2 million in fundingDog control measures following increased attacks and complaintsHealth Ministry budget review covering universal health coverage planning

Bills & Motions

Appropriation Act 2024 with Health Ministry budget estimates - moved to committee stage for detailed review of three budget heads totaling over $10 million

Notable Moments

Animal control data showed alarming increases: doubling of dog bite incidents and tripling of threatening behavior complaints between 2021-2023
Government scholarship funding has increased to over $2 million since 2017, with new programs specifically targeting male teachers and non-traditional students
The Chief Veterinary Officer was present to support discussions on dog control measures

Debate Transcript

281 speeches from 10 speakers
Madam President. The President Thank you, Senator Tucker. Would any other Senator care to ask questions on this Statement, on the Scholarships and Awards update that was given by the Minister? Hearing none, then we will give the Minister an opportunity to respond. [Pause] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam President. With …
The Chairman Chairman Good morning, everyone. Senators, we are now in Committee of the whole for consideration of the Appropriation Act 2024 together with the Estimates of Revenue and Expendi-ture for 2024/25. The Ministry under consideration is Health. The heads for debate under this Ministry are Head 21 found at page B -155; …
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed. MINISTRY OF HEALTH 358 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, the Health Ministry’s budget is found on pages B -154 through B - 174 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Madam Chairman, today I am pleased to present the budget …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, just before you move on to the next item, I wanted to acknowledge that the [Acting] Permanent Secretary for Health, Mr. Roger Todd, has joined the Chamber. Welcome. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman I also just wanted to do a time check. We have been going for nearly 45 minutes, one more head to go. So if we can try and leave matters in the blue book as read and enable us to get to some questions, that would be good. Thank you. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Hodgson, and thank you for doing as you promised, leaving plenty of time for questions. Would any Senator care to speak on these heads? Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. And thank you to the Junior Minister for leaving us some time for some …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I actually had some of the same questions as my colleague. But if I flip over to page B -156 under Professional Services, under Subjective Analysis, Professional Services we are budgeting $2.6 million, or $806,000 less than last year’s budget, as well as less than …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I have just got three questions. They are actually relating to the other two heads. So if it is the Junior Minister’s preference, then I will hold off on doing that until the remaining two heads. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Robinson, then Senator Tucker. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Oh—. [Laughter] Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Junior Minister. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just two questions for me on Head 21. In the Subjective Analysis of Current Account Estimates, I just see that Training was marked as zero in 2022/23 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I do have a couple more questions. So page B - 156, General Administration. Again, from last year’s debate we learned that the Bermuda Health Council was to be working with the Bermuda Hospitals Board to integrate unique patient …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Hodgson, do you want to provide any answers to those? Or should we move on to questions on the other heads? 370 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Arianna Hodgson: I can begin with some answers, Madam Chairman. Okay. So there was the initial …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I would just like to ask one more question. Is the Junior Minister able to give us an update on the appointment of the Chief Medical Officer, just sort of where we are with that process? Thank you, Madam Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. And Senator Hodgson, while we wait for other answers to come in, maybe we could move to the other heads. Senator Wight. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: I still have another response that I just wanted to give regarding SART. There were eight SART response call -outs in 2023. And so …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. If you would permit me to ask three questions. Two are on Head 91. I know that is the last head, but I was concerned if we go head by head, I will not get an opportunity to ask my questions. …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator care to speak to any heads? Senator De Couto. I cannot tell if you have got your hand up or not. Yes.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I wanted to actually follow up on Senator Wight’s question. And on page B -174 . . . and maybe I will just put some numbers on it to make it really spe-cific. You know, I am looking at the hospital subsidy. And last year …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The questions on Head 91 mostly have been asked already. One question that I would like to know is from page B -173 as it relates to Salaries. If the Junior Minister can provide some explanation as to why in the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Just over half -an-hour remaining. I just wanted to check in with Senator Hodgson to see if there are any answers available to any of the outstanding questions. [No audible response] [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, I think you can ask your question. Oh, you do . . . Okay. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Sorry. Thank you, Madam Chairman. There was a question about how many funded posts there were out of the 317. There are 54 vacant and funded posts in the Department of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. 372 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you. So a question regarding Head 22 on page B - 159, Lefroy [Care Community], business unit 32000. So we see that the original budgeted amount for 2023/24 was $4,867,000 revised to $3,752,000. …
The Chairman Chairman Just a quick check- in with Senator Hodgson whether we have had any answers come in. [Pause] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Yes, Madam Chairman. With regard to the status of CMO [Chief Medical Officer] recruitment, I can confirm that we are ad-vancing this recruitment. Candidates have been short - listed, and …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, did I see you had another question? It can wait? Okay, thank you. Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you. I have a couple of additional questions. Is now an okay time? Thank you, Madam Chairman. Page B -161, Department of Health, Professional Services last year was budgeted at just under $1.5 million, came in at $2 million. If we could understand what that was about, that would …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Well, that is the question. Has that been considered by the Government? And the second question is, that revised forecast of 90 per cent and that target outcome of 95 per cent, How do those rates compare to, let us say the OECD countries or some other similar (I will …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, 20 minutes remaining. Bermuda Senate Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. So question from page B -161, Revenue Summary, 8149, Inspection Fees; 8152, Tobacco Distributor Fees; 8155, Registration—Nurses. There is no anticipated revenue in those line items, although there were revised amounts in each of those line …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Over to you, Senator Hodgson. [Pause] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I will just go back to the question about the Lefroy House redevelopment budget in particular and why it was revised downward significantly. That would be primarily due to the vacancies that we are currently recruiting for. …
The Chairman Chairman We have 15 minutes remaining. And in case it was not clear from the beginning, we will be going straight through to 12:45. So hopefully we will get the answers for the remaining questions on Head 91 within that time frame. Thanks. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Senator Wight had some questions …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson, do you have a question? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just on Head 91 under Subjective Analysis of Current Account Estimates, I see Communications was budgeted in the 2023/24 original to be $18,000. And that does not appear to have been used. So I wonder if …
The Chairman Chairman There are five minutes remaining. [Pause] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Senator De Couto had a question about Department of Health, Professional Services and the budget variance related to, if you can recall.
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto, do you want to repeat your question?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Department of Health, Subjective Analysis, Professional Services, was budgeted at $1.5 million. This is page B -161. [To be exact, it was] $1.457 million last year and came in at $2,080,000. I would ap-preciate a brief explanation of the variance. Thank you, Madam Chairman. …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson, any answers coming in on the wire? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Senator Hodgson. Yes.
The Chairman Chairman I mean Senator Hodgson! I am sorry. [Laughter] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: No worries. We are at the end. I do have a response to the question about salaries from Senator Tucker. The revised numbers were down. But then we have gone higher again via 2024/25. So the Health Insurance Department …
The Chairman Chairman If those are the only answers . . . have you got any other answers in as of now? Otherwise— Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Complete answers, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Let us go. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Okay. Perfect. Okay. Well, I would like to thank Members for their contributions today. And, Madam Chairman, I move that Heads 21, 22 and 91 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No. Bermuda Senate [Motion carried: The Ministry of Health, Heads 21, 22 and 91 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2024/25.] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Perfect. Thank you so much,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman So the Committee will adjourn now for lunch, for the listening audience. And we will resume at 2:00 with Senator John Wight taking the next steps. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12:47 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:0 3 pm [Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY …
The Chairman Chairman Listening audience and Senators, we are in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Appropriation Act 2024 together with Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25. The Ministry under consideration is Education. The heads for debate under this Ministry are Head 16, the Ministry of Education …
The Chairman Chairman Forty -one. Heads 16, 17, 41. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman The Senator in charge is Minister Darrell. We have three hours allotted to this Ministry. Minister, how do you wish to proceed? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will proceed . . . I mean how . . . I don’t understand the question. The Clerk: Move the heads. Sen. …
The Chairman Chairman Very good, Minister. Thank you. Please proceed. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman We will start at 2:04, so we will finish on or before 5:04. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you. MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the budget for the Ministry of Education which comprises the Ministry of Education Headquarters, Head …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Please proceed. HEAD 17 —DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Chairman, I now present the budget for Head 17, the Department of Educa-tion. Under the Commissioner’s leadership, the Department of Education is dedicated to advancing the quality of education for Bermuda public school students …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Please proceed. HEAD 41 —BERMUDA COLLEGE Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Chairman, Bermuda College’s mission is To provide the community with innovative programmes, training, support services and access to partnerships that lead to local and global success. [The college] demonstrates its commitment to the success of …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Minister. Would any other Senator care to speak on these heads? Senator Robinson, over to you. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to the Minister for allowing plenty of time to ask questions. And I want to commend him for that brief. …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator care to ask questions on this head? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Nobody? Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I am sorry. Senator De Couto, did you have your hand up? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Oh. Bermuda Senate Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto: Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. My colleague actually did pick up quite a few of the quantitative questions on the expenses and so forth. But looking …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question comes from page B -132, and it is also in relation to page C -4, and that would be Capital Development. I did notice a couple of things in this par-ticular section. So, looking at business unit 75242, Improvement …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. And I just have one final question on Head 16, and then I will move on to the next head. We see overall that the current expenditure was increased compared to the original 2023/24 estimate. And I did hear in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is one more on that head before we leave it. And it is on page C -4, Education ReformClassrooms grant, $3 million revised in the past finan-cial year, and $5.7 million budgeted. If the Minister could provide us with the number of classrooms that …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, would you like to respond per head or just keep the questions coming for other heads? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Sure. I will answer what I have got now. The question was, Can you provide when this rescoring process will be completed and whether decisions with rescoring will …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Minister. So we can move on to Head 17 unless there is anything else on Head 16? Senator Tucker, there is always one more question from you. [Laughter] Sen. Robin Tucker: For sure. I have questions for questions. Just a very basic one; and this again …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Senator — Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Is this still with Head 16 or are we moving on to Head 17? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Well, I will just clarify really quickly something in Head 16 from one of the answers. [The Minister] said the wages had an increase. And I am referring specifically to the 2024/25 estimate …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. So what page were you on? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: That is page B -134.
The Chairman Chairman Page B -134. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Under Wages [under] Subjective Analysis of Current Account Estimates.
The Chairman Chairman So you are referring to the $5,000 from 2022/23 to nothing this year? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Exactly.
The Chairman Chairman There is a $5,000 difference in pricing. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: All right. To Head 17?
The Chairman Chairman Head 17, Senator. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: After that news about CedarBridge, I think the Minister and I might get along today. [Laughter] Sen. Dwayne Robinson: So it just started with, we are in General Summary here, in Head 17, page B -137. I am just starting under programme 1701, Central …
The Chairman Chairman I know that was not included in the brief, but I will let the Minister respond in due course on that one. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Okay. And I have a lot more, so I will make way here. And if no one else has any questions, I will continue.
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator care to speak on this head? Senator De Couto? No more; okay. No other Senators? Oh, Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question comes from page B -137, business unit 27001, Office of the Commissioner. I would like to know, there is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So in [business unit] 27160, Substitutes, I heard in the brief that the Ministry had found these sav-ings by negotiating with the teachers who were doing school reform to conduct the reform work outside of school hours. And I just …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator care to speak on this head? Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a couple of questions. These have to do with performance measures [on page B -143]. So my first question [relates to] 1701, second item from the top, “All school …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Minister, would you like to respond to some of these questions or take the questions? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Okay. The Chairman: Over to you. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will go back and I will go down through …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any further questions on Head 17 before we head to . . . There are. Okay. Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Thank you. And just really quickly, I just wanted a bit of clarity on the Summer Programme (business unit 27073) answer. The drop …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sorry — 390 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Oh, sorry. I will yield.
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Page B -137, Paraprofessionals. It has kind of been ticking up in 2022 with $6.1 million; 2023/24 was budgeted at $7.6 million and came in at $8.1 million. But in this year’s budget it is only budgeted for $6.4 million. I am a little concerned …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question comes from page B -143, Performance Measures. So, under Student Services, [programme] 1702, second from the top speaks to the percentage of children who are on the Behaviour Intervention Plans. And I would like to know if the Junior …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, what is your preference? Would you like to answer some of the questions? [Inaudible response ]
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will go back and answer some of these questions. So, there is a question about the difference between the approved 2023/24 budget and the revised 2023/24 budget. The overages between approved and the revised budget are to do with …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any more questions on Head 17 before we move to Head 41? 392 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto: There are always plenty of questions, Mr. Chairman, plenty of questions.
The Chairman Chairman We will have Senator Tucker, then Senator De Couto. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a follow -up question. Thank you to the Minister for his responses. I appreciate . . . well, f irst of all, thanks. Now I understand there are 29 students [the Minister] mentioned …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This question will be related to the school listings on pages B -138 and B -139. I know there is a lot of debate in the public. Some of you have seen presentations by people like the Chamber — [Electronic device sound] [Laughter]
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto People may have seen like the Chamber of Commerce presentation that looks at things like number of students in the public system and the private system. And then a lot of people are putting their children into private schools for a variety of reasons. And I am trying to just …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, what is the page number?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Programme 1702, Central Administration, “Percentage of performance appraisals completed for school and Department of Education staff.” They have been discontinued for a while So can the Junior Minister inform us of how the school and department staff are . . . like what is the process? I do not know. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto. Minister, would you like to respond, or should we have . . . is that the completed listing of questions for that head? Or are there any others before we move on? Senator Richardson [sic] . . . Robinson. Sorry. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: That’s okay, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Minister, would you like to . . . how would you like to proceed? Should I ask for further questions? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: They ask, I will answer. Can you provide the number of students on behaviour plans to date? Like I said, that data …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. Point of order. I have been misquoted. Point of clarification. Often people say that the private schools have the pick of the litter, i.e., they have it easier than the public schools with the students. That is what peo-ple say in these public discussions that I …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, so we have a question, and we have an answer forthcoming. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Well, contrary to what Senator De Couto may think, we are here talking about the public school system and we are talking about the budget allocation to the public school system. So I …
The Chairman Chairman I would recommend that we proceed forward with questions and answers. Any further questions on that head before we move on to — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I have more questions —
The Chairman Chairman Some more answers? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: More answers, yes. There was a question, and I am not sure if this was Senator De Couto trying to say that private schools are better than public, I am not sure what this one was but it talks about the driving …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do have some follow -up questions relating to the answers, if I may.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto The Minister indicated that they will rely on natural attrition to reduce the staff numbers. Okay, totally makes sense. Does he have an estimate over what time frame and where they expect the final staff numbers to end up under the newly reformed system? And then if I heard right, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto. Senator Robinson, another question? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just jumping to [page] C -4, under Ministry of Education, we have under Department of Education, 75152, which is School Safety. I just wanted to see if I could get a bit of information …
The Chairman Chairman I think it was $111[,000]. You mentioned $101[,000]. Is it not $111[,000]? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: It is, yes, sorry. Estimate [for] 2024/25 is $111,000. All the ones are running into each other. Sorry about that, Mr. Chairman. [Business unit] 75042, Improvement of School Fields, and I just wanted to make …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. Are there any further questions on Head 17? No. Minister, shall we move on to [Head] 41 or would you care to . . . Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Let me answer the ones I have still on [Head] 17. Do we have a time …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Ministe r. Bermuda Senate Can we move on to [Head] 41? Okay. Senator Robinson, question? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. I found the brief on Head 41 very comprehensive so I do not have very many questions. I would probably just go …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister refresh our memory as to what fraction of the operating budget comes from the grant? That is the first question. We have heard earlier about the . . . and I am not going to say the name of the firm because I …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto The College Promise, thank you, thank you. That is a great programme. How many students take up that opportunity and how many of those students then complete their two years at the college? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto. Any other Senator care to speak on this head? Minister — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When we talk about [page] C -4 capital 75285, What is the grant used for? The Bermuda College submits to the Ministry of Education what …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will take more questions while we work through those.
The Chairman Chairman Any other questions, Senators? If not, it wouldn’t be the worst thing if we started on the next Ministry before 5:04 pm, but that is just— Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Or, I mean, I can talk about these Maker Spaces. I mean it is totally up to the Senator …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, shall we await the responses to these three or four questions? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will give a few more since the Senate Leader of the One Bermuda Alliance does not want me to speak for the next 40 minutes about how awesome Maker Spaces will do …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Minister . 396 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Senator Tucker, how would you care to proceed? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Maker Spaces? Sen. Robin Tucker: Mr. Chairman, can we just have a few more minutes to wait for some more responses, please? …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Senator. And just for the benefit of the listening audience, we are just waiting for the next few minutes the answers to the remaining few questions before we move on to the next Ministry which is the Ministry of Transport. [Pause] [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman It is actually in the annual report, I mean, just as another way to verify the numbers. [Inaudible interjection]
The Chairman Chairman We can move on then? Okay, very good. So a decision has been made to move on so I would ask the Minister at this time, if you would like to move these heads. Minister. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that Heads 16, 17 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister . Is there any objection to that? Hearing none, thank you, Minister in particular for leading this brief, and thank you all Senators for your good questions on this. [Motion carried: Ministry of Education, Heads 16, 17, and 41 were approved as corrected and will stand as …
The Chairman Chairman With that, we have concluded the Ministry of Education and I will turn the Chair over to my learned colleague Senator and Vice President Kiernan Bell to chair the Transport Ministry. Thank you. [Sen. Kiernan Bell, Chairman] Sen. Kiernan Bell: Good afternoon, everybody. Senators we are now in the Committee …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move the following heads: [Head] 48, Ministry of Transport Headquarters; Head 30, Marine and Ports; Head 34, Transport Control Department; and [Head] 35, Public Transportation be now taken under consideration.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. HEAD 48 —MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT HEADQUARTERS
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill The Ministry of Transport is found on pages B -201 through B -217 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Madam Chairman, I will endeavour today to emphasise the paramount importance of the Ministry of Transport in Bermuda, a vital institution responsible for ensuring the efficient and safe transportation of …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, it is the Ministry Headquarters which is responsible for transportation matters within Bermuda. Mission. T he mission for the Ministry of Transport Headquarters is: Transporting people and goods efficiently and safely , found on page B -202. Madam Chairman, as I mentioned earlier, the pivotal role of transportation …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the current capital expenditure for the Ministry of Transport Headquarters, Head 48, is estimated to be $15,849,000 for fiscal year 2024/25. This represents a decrease of $7,265,000, or roughly 31 per cent, over the prior year’s budget of $23,114,000. The decrease is primarily due to the elimination of …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the Administration section within the Ministry of Transport Headquarters, cost centre 58000, is comprised of four full-time equivalent staff and will have a budget of $15,708,000. As provided previously, the bulk of the al-location —93 per cent —is comprised of the Bermuda Airport Authority’s operational grant , with …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill I will move on to the Transportation Planning Team, Head 48, cost centre 58010. Madam Chairman, the Transportation Planning section sits within the Ministry of Transport Headquar-ters, cost centre 58010. It includes one full -time equivalent employee and is allocated a budget of $141,000 and can be found on page …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the Ministry of Transport Headquarters will employ five full - time equivalent employees under the following cost centres: • 58000—four persons; the ministry comptroller, an accountant, an administrative officer, an executive assistant and a policy analyst; and • 58010—one transportation coordinator. Compensation is estimated at $549,000 or approxi-mately …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, I would now like to discuss the year ahead with respect to the Bermuda Airport Authority 2024/25 highlights. Madam Chairman, the only authority which receives a grant from the Ministry of Transport is the Bermuda Airport Authority. Madam Chairman, the Bermuda Airport Authority is nearing the end of …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the total Ministry of Transport operational expenditure grants to the Bermuda Airport Authority will be $12,700,000 for 2024/25, representing a $1,700,000 decrease or approximately 11.5 per cent less than the 2023/24 allocation. Madam Chairman, the Airport Authority currently employs 47 full -time equivalent staff (FTEs). The mostly Bermudian …
The Chairman Chairman Thanks, Senator. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman Just before you move on, I just wanted to acknowledge that the Permanent Secretary for the Ministry of Transport, Shivon Washington, is with us. Welcome. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman You may proceed. Thank you, Senator.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you. I now move on to Head 30 , Marine and Ports Services. HEAD 30 —MARINE AND PORTS SERVICES
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the budget for Head 30, the Department of Marine and Ports Services, commonly referred to as the M&P, can be found on pages B -205 through B -209 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25. As stated on page B -205 of the Budget …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the total current expenditure for the Department of Marine and Ports , Head 30, is estimated to be $22,996,000, which represents an increase of $942,000 or an in-crease of approximately 4 per cent over the 2023/24 budget. The increase is required to address the Department of Marine and …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Senator. You are looking at your watch. I think if you want to take the parts which are the blue book taken as read that are in your brief, you should be able to make it through in time for questions.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. Madam Chairman, $250,000 has been set aside for Navigational Aids which represents an increase of $50,000 when compared to the budget of 2023/24. The funds will be used for the ongoing repair and replacement of the department’s ageing ship navigation infrastructure. The bulk of the budget, which is $9,737,000, …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the department’s full -time equivalents found on page B -207 of the Budget Book is 162 persons. Madam Chairman, the department’s performance measures found on pages B -208 through B -209 of the Budget Book remain positive. It is important the department continues meet-ing its performance target measures …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Plans for the upcoming year will include: • training of departmental staff to international standards will continue to ensure the depart-ment meets its international obligations in line with safe manning requirements; • continued progress with the department’s succession planning to ensure highly technical posts with the department are filled by …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the budget for Head 34, the Transport Control Department, commonly referred to as the TCD, can be found on pages B -210 through B -213 of the Budget Book. The TCD’s mission is To assure the safety of all road users, found on page B -210. Madam Chairman, …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the TCD is divided into five separate business units: Administration, Registrations, Examinations, Traffic Control, and Road Safety. The Administration Section is responsible for the overall operation and administration of the department’s three facilities, North Street, Rockaway and Southside. This includes professional ser-vices for the management of the Safety …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill TCD’s budget alloca-tion is $5,561,000 for 2024/25, a $355,000 or an approximate 7 per cent increase over the allocation for 2023/24, which can be found on page B -210. Under the general summary of expenditure per business units, you will find that the estimates for 2024/25 for each business unit …
The Chairman Chairman You have . . . it is now . . . I am looking at the clock without my glasses on. Sorry. It is 5:34, and you will finish at 7:27.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, the estimated budget for Road Safety will be $260,000. This represents an approximate 2 per cent increase, or $4,000 increase over Bermuda Senate the prior year’s budget. Of the $260,000 allocated to the Roads Safety Section of the Budget Book, the Road Safety Council …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the sum of $194,000 has been allocated to complete the repairs and upgrades to the vehicle testing equipment in the department’s three testing facilities, North Street, Rockaway and Southside. Manpower
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill The 2024 budget es-timates include funds for 46 full -time equivalent [employees]. The [full -time equivalent] during the 2023/24 budget was 45. Recruitment continues to fill the re-maining vacant positions. Plans for the Upcoming Year
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the Transport Control Department will continue to review and update the Road Traffic Act 1947, the Motor Car Act 1951, and the Auxiliary Bicycles Act 1954, and their ancillary regulations. Madam Chairman, in 2024/25, the department will continue its focus on modernising and harmonising the public service vehicle …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the budget for Head 35, the Department of Public Transportation, is found on pages B -214 through B -217 of the Budget Book. The department’s mission is on page B - 214 of the Budget Book, which is Moving Bermuda with a quality public bus service . Madam …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the public bus service is in operation 365 days a year, 18 hours per day to provide Island- wide transportation across 11 bus routes. Unlike most public transportation systems around the world, the school bus service is coordinated during the school year with free transportation provided year -round …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Repair Servicing. Madam Chairman, the department employs a team of professionals in repair servicing to maintain the fleet of public buses, support vehicles and equipment. The current expenditure for repair servicing, cost centre 45090, is estimated to be $4,625,000 for 2024/25. This is an increase of $64,000, or 1 per …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, parts for vehicles and equipment are procured, stored, controlled and issued by the Storage Section which falls under Inventory Management. The current ex-penditure for Inventory Management, cost centre 45115, is estimated to be $1,463,000 f or 2024/25. This is an increase of $69,000 or an approximate 5 per …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the Administration Section is primarily responsible for developing department strategy, policy and procedures, ensuring that the people, processes and resources are available to deliver a quality public bus service. The expenditure for the Administration, cost centre 45120, which accounts for salaries, utilities and shared services is estimated to …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill The Management Support team is responsible for selling and processing bus and ferry fares and providing administrative services for accounts, procurement, and human re-sources. The expenditure for Management Support is estimated to be $968,000 for 2024/25. This is an increase of $170,000 or 21 per cent more than the prior …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, it is anticipated that in 2024/25, the DPT will generate ap-proximately $4,200,000 in revenue. This will be generated from an anticipated surge in bus and ferry fares after the introduction of the state- of-the-art digital fare media system t hat I will elaborate on shortly. Capital Expenditure
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the capital acquisition estimate for the department, as seen on page C -14 of the Budget Book, totals $951,000. Of this amount, $384,000 is primarily for the introduction of the new digital fare media system. The remaining amount is budgeted for replacing support vehicles, updating computer equipment, and …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the total compliment of full -time equivalents in the new 2024/25 fiscal year is 243 as recorded on page B -16 of the Budget Book. This is an increase of 15 FTEs from the 2023/24 budget. Madam Chairman, it should be noted that approximately 7 5 per cent, …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, it was Monday, June 2, 2024 [sic], when the Department of Public Transportation returned to self -sufficiency. After seven years of relying on the assistance of Bermuda Senate minibuses, DPT reinstated an exclusive public school bus transportation service. With continued investment over the next few years, the DPT …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, the Department of Public Transportation has realised advances in technology in recent years and plans to main-tain positive momentum and tangible enhancements to the public bus service. The Department of Public Transportation aspires to be the mode of transportation choice of Bermuda residents and visitors. This year’s introduction …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, a keen emphasis will be placed on data collection in the next fiscal year. Information on where and when pas-sengers ride the bus is vital to effectively implement route changes to meet demand. Succession Plan
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Investing in the talent within the department will be a continued focus. Training and experience will be afforded chiefly to those who desire and have the capacity for advancement. The team has once again exhibited the benefits of internal development by daily observation and the continuing nominations for the Public …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator, and thank you for that brief and leaving sufficient time for debate. Would any Senator care to speak on these heads? I see Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. Thank you for that brief. You will have to forgive me. I am going to be a …
The Chairman Chairman Senator John Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I will just ask one question. It is on page B -206. I think the Junior Minister referred to the energy in-creases which have been substantial over the last two years —a 35 per cent or $760,000 increase over a …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: If it is okay, I would like to move to Head 30.
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto, do you have a question on that head before we move on?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Yes, I do. Thank you, Madam Chairman. The grant to the A irport Authority . . . And I think we heard about the . . . is it the air service team , the committee or the team that is in charge of promoting and getting more air …
The Chairman Chairman So, with that we can move on to the next head unless there are any other questions. So, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. So, just heading to Head 30, Marine and Ports, I see under 3006 West End (Dockyard) , we have under 40040 Navigational Aids …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. Senator Robinson covered quite a few things in there. Right. I will go through by order. On page B -206, I see $500,000 for private boat registrations. And we did hear in the brief about the collaboration to clean up (I guess ) abandoned wrecks. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I would just look to Senator Dill just to see if there are any answers to any of the questions that have been asked so far.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. I can begin answering questions that you have. Okay. I believe the first question was with regard to the Halifax flight timeframe. It is hopeful to be soon . However, it is within BermudAir’s remit to finalise, and we will advise accordingly. There was a question …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Yes. And the question is, Have we had an increase in volume ? Okay. With regard to the Transport Planning Team, the question was, Is the budget sufficient for the expected increase in passengers and activity ? And yes, this section within the Ministry of Transport is about . . …
The Chairman Chairman I think, Senator, the question concerned, What was the energy cost made up of ? If it was diesel cost, why did that cost go up when the price for diesel had gone down during that period ?
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. Senator Wight, can you tell us which— Sen. John Wight: Sure. On page B -206, the Energy cost over the last two years has gone from $2.1 million to $2.9 million, so almost an $800,000 increase. And if this is Marine and Ports and the boats use diesel, then …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill I can take some more questions.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson and then Senator Tucker. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just in . . . I only have a few left on this head, so just in the Performance Measures of Marine and Ports Services on page B -209, I just wanted to highlight or at least …
The Chairman Chairman We have approximately an hour remaining. Sen. Robin Tucker: Oh, okay. All right. So, same area, Performance Measures, business unit 45120 Administration. So, the second entry from the top which has “Percentage of identified occupational, safety” issues addressed. The actuals for 2022/23 right along up to the revised forecast for …
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, what was the question, Senator?
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill I was asking if I could give a few answers.
The Chairman Chairman Of course. Thank you.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. With regard to Head 30, Marine and Ports, there were a few questions that were raised. The first one was with regard to the navigational aids budget increase and this increase is linked to maintenance and wages. With regard to the tug service budget increase, this increase is linked …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I believe I had a pending question on the delivery of the new ferries and future payments.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, Senator De Couto, I was not suggesting only those questions on the moorings remain, I was just noting that there were multiple on that same line item. Senator T ucker. Sen. R obin T ucker: Yes. Thank y ou, Ma dam Chairman. So, back to page B-17, Performance Meas …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Wou ld any other Senator . . . Senator Robinson. Sen . Dwayne Robinson: Yes, just thought we would go to Head 34 now since . . . get some of those questions in. Sorry. I saw you signal, Junior Minister, do you have answers or would you …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, any time you have answers, just . . . I’ll be looking to you. You can always let me know and then we can take those answers and con-tinue. Senator Robinson, do you yield for the answers? Sen . Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Sen . Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill: …
The Chairman Chairman And I think the outstanding questions on the training certification were how many roles re-quire certification and how many people require either basic or advance certification? I just only cited those. Senator . . . Oh, Senator Robinson, do you want to continue with your questions? Sen . Dwayne Robinson: …
The Chairman Chairman And while you are waiting I see Senator De Couto. So do you . . . Oh! Except we have answers. So let’s take the answers first if you are both happy with that and then we will go to the questions.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. With regard to Examination, [business unit] 44000, you asked about the increase. And that is because the number of vehi-cles on the road have increased. The Registration Section, 44040. That represents salaries for new personnel being hired. You asked a question regarding Road Safety and the count as well …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Senator De Couto, I saw that you did have your hand up before.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. It is partly a follow up on some of those answers and partly new questions. Back to page B -210, the registration has about a 10 per cent increase but there is no increase in staff, so I don’t understand that. I understand that in general …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Dill, any more answers ready to go?
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill With the — [Audio skip]
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill —had retirements last year. So they are— [Audio skip]
The Chairman Chairman We have about 45 minutes remaining. The home stretch. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson. 414 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. Just a bit on the . . . still on the Performance Measures here in [page] B -213. The pass rate for Project Ride students [at] 90 per cent. And I see it is …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. And thank you to the Junior Minister for answering the question about the certifications. And if I am not mistaken I believe that the response was 65 per cent of the staff have received basic training. I would invite the Junior …
The Chairman Chairman I think . . . oh. I see answers. Thank you, Senator.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill All right. Thank you so much. A question with regard to the performance measure on page B -217, regarding the number of complaints. The question was, Why is the actual not appli-cable and the original forecast, revised forecast and target outcome at 50 per cent? The target is to decreas …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson, I think you were in the middle of a question. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just to go to Head 35, Public Transport, as we are coming close to the wire, I want to get in some questions on that head. Let me see . …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Dill, you have some answers?
The Chairman Chairman Okay. And then depending on how we go I can see Senator De Couto has additional questions. So over to you, Senator Dill.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. Thank you very much. With regard to the STCW for staff training, it is normally undertaken during the off season winter months only. Some staff are first -time trained and then some staff are renewals. However, it is unfortunate that it cannot be accomplished during the busy s ummer …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Dill. Senator De Couto and then Senator Tucker.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. Right. Okay . . . Page C -14, revised estimate for buses. That is Capital Acquisition 76293 was $6 mil-lion for this financial year we are wrapping up. There is nothing for next year and I was sure I heard that we are continuing to acquire …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker and then Senator Robinson. Sorry. There was a queue. Senator Dill, I’ll come back to you with the answers. I am just conscious of time to get the questions out so we have time to get the answers. Thanks. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. My question …
The Chairman Chairman And then Senator Robinson, you had an additional question and then I know Senator Dill had some answers. I just want to make sure she has time to get the answers to your last questions. You will yield to Senator Dill? Okay. Senator Dill, over to you.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill There was question, Why doesn’t the mission statement include reliability? And the response is that the statement is streamlined and it is a commitment to address passenger issues to the extent that they prefer the bus service. Reliability is inherent and paramount to the success of the service. There was …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just one quick follow up with the line item here on [page] C -14, Digital Fare Media. Is the amount that the project or this contract was tendered for included in this particular line item? And if so, could we get …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. What I can answer with regard to the question to the $604,000 that was spent for the digital fare media was that that was for the start of the contract with the annual fee. So, in response to your question, no, that does not reflect the entirety and I …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill The total amount of the digital fare media contract is approximately $2 million.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Just for my clarity, this is Paragon ID that was in reference to? Just for my clarity. Madam Chairman. Thank you. That $2 million in tender contract was to Paragon ID . Okay. Thank you,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman And for the listening audience the answer for that question was yes.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Sorry. My apologies.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson. And your last 20 minutes.
The Chairman Chairman Are you yielding to Senator Dill who appears to have an answer?
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Dill.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill In regard to the question regarding the increase in repair service costs. We talked a bit about it in the brief. The department has six facilities across the Island and in order to manage the maintenance of those facilities a facilities officer will be onboarded. Okay. With regard to the …
The Chairman Chairman I think there were some that were . . . questions that remain unanswered. So, Senator Tucker, did you want to . . . Sen. Robin Tucker: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I had two questions concerning overtime payments and what was budgeted. What was the amount that was paid …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. And I think Senator De Couto, you may have had some questions that remain to be answered. No? You are shaking your head. So I think from my notes, and forgive me if you have answered this, Senator Dill, one of the questions concerned the . . . …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam Chairman, I know that there was one area where there was a question and they are definitely . . . they will have new hires and somehow it appears that it is not in the Budget Book. The director did respond to that. Let me find that. I will …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam Chairman, I think that was my question. Head 34, page B -211, Subjective Analysis for Transport Control Department. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Was that with regard to Registration?
The Chairman Chairman That is the question regarding salaries on page [B] -211 which shows an 8 per cent increase year on year and whether that ties in with the number of FTEs. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Dill.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Okay. [I have] an answer for you. The question was, How will the department manage the hiring of bus operators? There is a rolling recruitment of bus operators as this position has a high turnover which is common for the industry. So there is a rolling recruitment process. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman And there is 12 minutes remaining. Senator Robinson, you have a question? Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just really quickly . . . under the business unit 45120, Administration on [page] B -217. I just wanted to know if this Complete customer service training for frontline staff was …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. Senator Dill.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam Chairman. With regard to the increase in salaries, that represents a filling of a vacant previously unbudgeted post which will not increase the FTEs. With regard to the question regarding overtime, it approximates $3.5 million spread across the entire department. It is spread across the operators, maintenance …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Dill, did I see your hand? [No audible response] 418 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate The Chairman: We have five minutes remaining.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill I am just doublechecking to make sure that we have the correct figures for you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Dill.
The Chairman Chairman Apologies. I got ahead of myself. There are six minutes remaining. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Dill.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Yes, with regard to the question regarding the DPT overtime. The team has indicated that it is entrenched in various budgets so we will have to revert to you with an accurate answer at a later date.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that indication.
The Chairman Chairman It is 7:23 and we finish at 7:27. So are there any other outstanding answers that you think is likely to come in in the next few minutes?
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Hold on, hold on. They also wanted to let you know that the wages and salaries that increased [were] due to the BIU [Bermuda Industrial Union] and BPSU [Bermuda Public Services Union], and CBA [Collective Bargaining Agreement] salary increases. There is a number but I think I prefer that we …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Dill.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill With that can we move . . .
The Chairman Chairman So I am looking at the Leader, are you happy to move with that . . . Okay. Thank you. All the questions have been asked at this stage so, Senator, would you like to move these heads?
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam Chairman. And thank you for your questions and your patience to the other team Members. And with that being said, I move that Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Is there any objection? Seeing none. There is no objection. These heads are so moved. Thank you, Senator. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Transport, Heads 48, 30, 34 and 35 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25.]
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman So now we move into the procedural matter of moving the remaining heads . I will look to Senator Arianna Hodgson, the Junior Minister for Finance. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chairman, and good evening. Yes, it is definitely evening now. I would like to move that the Capital …
The Chairman Chairman I think you can run through all of those items. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Okay. I move that clauses 1 through 6 of the Bill together with Schedules A to C, inclusive, be approved and stand as part of the Bill. I move that the preamble be approved. I move that …
The Chairman Chairman I think that should read the Appropriation Act 2024. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: I do apologise. It is an error,
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Thank you. So the Committee will now rise and . . . and coming out of Committee, the President will resume the Chair. The Senate is adopting the report of the Committee. [Crosstalk] [Pause] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam Chairman, I would actually like to move the remaining heads.
The Chairman Chairman Of course, thank you. Bermuda Senate Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I move that the following heads be approved as printed. • Non- ministry Department —Heads 1, 2, 5, 56, 63, 85, 92, 98, and 101; • Cabinet Office— Heads 51, 61 and 80; • Ministry of Legal …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Is there any objection ? No. [Motion carried: The Appropriation Act 2024, along with the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the financial year 2024/25 were considered by a Committee of the whole Senate and passed without amendment .]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. This will now move us out of Committee. And Madam President will now retake the Chair. Thank you. [Pause] Senate resumed at 7:29 pm [Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright, President, presiding] REPORT OF COMMITTEE APPROPRIATION ACT 202 4 ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President, and thank you for the opportunity to speak on this important Bill. The President: Mm-hmm.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto We heard a lot of things in the brief, Madam President, about helping the pe ople of Bermuda. None of those things are in the Bill. This Bill is about how the Finance Minister may spend money that is in the legislation (and I will quote) the “Government Borrowing Sinking …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto So, Madam President, those are a few reasons. So let me recap, if you will allow me. This Bill is not required to achieve the policy and we have outlined a couple of ways in which the policy could be achieved. The OBA does not oppose the policy goals outlined …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam resident. She is misleading the Senate. And I have said multiple times [ that] we support the policy objectives. Thank you, Madam President . Sen. Leslie Robinson: Well, without supporting it, Madam President, without supporting this Bill, in fact that is what [they] would be doing. …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. It is not a money Bill. Thank you. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Madam President. The President: Senator Hodgson, will you continue. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam President. I would like to move that the Bill entitled the Government Loans Amendment Act 2024 be now read …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Yes, Madam President. [Laughter]
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I object. Sen. Robin Tucker: Yes, Madam President. We do have objections to the second reading. Thank you, Madam President. B ermuda Senate [Inaudible i nterjections] The President: If t here are t wo, we will have to hav e a vote. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Ar e you sure, Mad …
Madam President. The President Senator Robinson— Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam President. So I will say, an Order that had been previously passed was yielded that that previous Order got eight years and this current one is getting ten. And we see for section [3](b) that the twelfth anniversary of this date for …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. 432 21 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate I just want to take the opportunity to share my support of this [Order] and certainly congratulate the Minister and also the Hamilton Princess for the investment that they continue to make in this community. They are …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. And I do of course apologise, especially to the staff who have been working tirelessly . . . tirelessly. But this is the time and the venue to put certain things into the record, Madam President. We have spent this week working on behalf of the …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. And I am putting this into the record for the people of Bermuda. This is what that process is for. We— POINT OF ORDER Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Point of order, Madam President. Madam President, the Opposition, this is their debate. They give us heads that they …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto May I continue, Madam President? The President: Yes, you certainly may continue, Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I would say, Madam President, that we were certainly clear to be grateful with the Junior Ministers and Senators who provided ample time. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Point of information, Madam President. The President: Do you accept a point of information?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto No, I do not. POINT OF ORDER Sen. Lindsay Simmons: I mean, point of order, Madam President, sorry. As I read in my brief, we gave the Opposition time to give us questions so that we could answer the questions that they wanted, fully. They chose not to. So that …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. Let me just quickly address that. It is hard to [ask] questions without briefs. So we can postulate al-ternative hypothesis about a different — [Inaudible interjections]
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, you could imagine a different process, but that is not the process that we have. It is a choice of the Government to read a whole brief. Many of the Junior Ministers we think did an excellent job on behalf of the people of Bermuda. We were able …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Of course, of course, Madam President. Well, let me return to my topic of political cynicism and failing to do the best thing for the people of Bermuda. Today we have seen a change. The Government has made many statements about the One Bermuda Alliance that are false. We come …
Madam President. Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I do not accept. I do not accept. I do not accept. The Government likes to say, Oh, the OBA is against health care. [Inaudible interjections] The President: Do you have a [point of information]?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I do not accept it, Madam President. They will say, and quite disingenuously, The OBA doesn’t support the people. But you know, Madam President, we have come to this Chamber many times and we have supported things that are in the interest of the people. And the record is there …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I do not even know — The President: Senator De Couto, continue.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto You know, Madam President, I always welcome opportunity to clarify. The One Bermuda Alliance supports all Bermudians. We certainly support those who need it the most. Now, we have made a change today. And I am going to avoid too many details. But the result is that this Government, under …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, I will ask— The President: Minister Darrell, I have asked him to caution— [Inaudible interjections] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Retract that statement, please, Madam President — [Crosstalk] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: —the Premier of this country.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I will put the question to the people of Bermuda, Do you trust the leadership of this country to take care of your money? And do you trust them to be honest with you about it? Because people come to us every day, Madam President, and they tell us why …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I am making those assertions —let me rephrase it. I am regularly told on a regular basis by the people that I meet with that they do not trust this Government to be honest and straight with them. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: We get that on this side too.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto You can disagree with that, but that is my experience and the experience of my colleagues. [Inaudible interjections]
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto We are here from the One Bermuda Alliance to support the people of Ber-muda, especially those most in need, and do it in an honest, straightforward way. If we had to make tough choices, which as you know, Madam President, was a topic that we got in to our Reply, …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto We would do it the honest way. [Inaudible interjections] Sen. Lindsay Simmons: He is still talking about . . .
Madam President. Point of order. Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto We would not weaken the financial controls of this country. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Point of order, Madam President. He is still going down that same line. The President: Senator De Couto, you should not be referring on — Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Again and again. 436 21 March 2024 Official Hansard …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Those are things that the Government has not done. You know what the Government has done, Madam President? Last year they increased the net debt by $56 million and it is increasing again by another $38 million. They can call it whatever they want. But they are spending borrowed money …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order. The Senator is misleading the [Senate]. There have been no recent surpluses in the budget, Madam President. Sen. Leslie Robinson: There were certain line items where we did make surpluses, Madam President. Madam President, we are not looking to borrow any more money at this moment. And …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. He is — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: —accolades. —
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto He is — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: He has a point of order,
Madam President. Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto He is implying improper motive by implying that a Senator said they are looking out for their business interest. That is false. What I did was I made a declaration of interest on a piece of leg-islation that I believe all Senators should do and that way— Sen. the Hon. …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —the public can decide how to interpret my support for or against. Thank you, Madam President. The President: Thank you, Senator De Couto. Minister, carry on. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam President. They prefer their balance sheets. I will repeat it again. The balance sheets over the …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. The Senator is reading. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Not one ounce, not one ounce of political conscience. Not one! I would like to go through a list if I may, Madam President. The President: You may. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: And these are …
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