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Senate Session 2023/2024 160 speeches

March 20, 2024

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The Senate continued its committee review of the government's 2024/25 budget, focusing on the Ministry of Public Works. Senator Leslie Robinson presented budget details for three main departments under Public Works, explaining how taxpayer money will be spent on maintaining Bermuda's public infrastructure, parks, and government buildings. The ministry's budget increased by $2.1 million from last year, with significant funding allocated for road maintenance, building upgrades, and expanding solar panel installations on government buildings.

Chamber Senate
Date Mar 20, 2024
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 2
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Key Topics

Ministry of Public Works budget allocation of $77.3 million for 2024/25 fiscal yearDepartment of Parks operations including maintenance of 76 parks, beaches, and Railway TrailPublic Lands and Buildings management of over 2,000 acres and 750 government buildingsMajor capital projects including school maintenance, golf course improvements, and infrastructure upgrades

Bills & Motions

Appropriation Act 2024 - under committee consideration (budget review continuing)
No bills were passed or voted on during this session - this was a budget review hearing

Notable Moments

Senator Robinson highlighted that Public Works employs 547 people but has 684 established positions, showing staff shortages while maintaining critical infrastructure
The East End Water and Wastewater Project is expected to complete by end of 2024 at a cost of $31.5 million, which will close the Tobacco Bay sewage outfall
Government will spend over $10.3 million annually renting private properties for public services, an increase of nearly $1 million from last year

Debate Transcript

160 speeches from 2 speakers
The Chairman Chairman Senators, we are in Committee of the whole [Senate] for further consideration of the Appropriation Act 2024 , together with the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25. The Ministry under consideration is Public Works . The h eads for the debate under this Ministry are Head 36, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, I move the following head, Head 36, Ministry of Public Works Head-quarters; and also Head 53, Bermuda Housing Corpo-ration; Head 68, Parks; Head 81, Public Lands and Buildings; Head 82, Works and Engineering be now taken under consideration. An d …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. [Pause] 284 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, I actually would like to go on to Head 68 at the moment, and I will come back to Head 53.
The Chairman Chairman That is fine. Thank you. Actually, Head 53 is under a different Ministry on the Senate Schedule. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes. So I am going to go on to Head 68.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Very good. Thank you, Senator. HEAD 68 —DEPARTMENT OF PARKS Sen. Leslie Robinson: This is the Ministry of Public Works, Department of Parks, found on pages B -225 through B -231. And these are the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25. Mr. Chairman, the Department of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. HEAD 81 —PUBLIC LANDS AND BUILDINGS DEPARTMENT Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, I am now going to go on to Head 81, the Department of Public Lands and Buildings 2024/25 found on pages B -232 through B-234 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure.
The Chairman Chairman Very good, Senator. Please proceed. Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it is the mission statement of the Department of Public Lands and Buildings To effec-tively manage government property and provide na-tional mapping to enable the delivery of effective public services. Mr. Chairman, the Department …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The mission of the Department of Works and Engineering is To ensure the effective and prudent management of all engineering services relating to the construction, erection, improvement, maintenance and repairs of Government infrastructure and the operation of …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, perhaps I could just have one second. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITORS
The Chairman Chairman I just want to acknowledge and welcome some gentlemen to the Chamber. We have Mr. Kirk Outerbridge, the Acting Permanent Secretary for Public Works; and Chief Financial Officer Mr. Leslie Holder. So, gentlemen, welcome to the Chamber today. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The full -time equivalents for the cost centre 92006, Road Maintenance, are 25. No change from last year. The budget for cost centre 92007, Public Road Cleaning, is $1,409,000. This represents an increase of $33,000 compared to the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. That was very comprehensive. So that concludes the four heads, and I will ask whether any Senator would wish to speak on these heads? Senator Robinson, over to you. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And just for my knowledge, are we going to break or …
The Chairman Chairman Minister Darrell, do you have a preference for whether we go straight through to 1:05 or we break at 12:30? [Pause] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Mr. Chairman, after conferring with the Senate Leader for the OBA, we will go right through to 1:05 and then break for lunch if …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Minister. Senator Robinson, back to you. 296 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just would also like to thank the Junior Minister for her presentation and also the civil servants who no doubt assisted. And also …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I can provide some answers.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Please proceed, Senator. Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: In the monthly board meeting of the Bermuda Housing Corporation, per the Minister, at this time the answer cannot be provided with respect to financing at this time until the matter is reported in another place.
The Chairman Chairman Senator, I am sorry. That is the response to which of the three questions so far? [Pause] Sen. Leslie Robinson: Sorry. Just hold on a minute. You can continue. Just continue for now, Mr. Chairman, with the questions.
The Chairman Chairman With the questions? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator. Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just also came down to programme 3613, Central Office Administration. And underneath cost centre 46116, Human Resources Admin., I saw that we spent $48,000 in 2022/23, and then it was a big drop to $10,000 in …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson and Senator Robinson here, so . . . [Laughter] Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. I caught it. Yes. [Crosstalk] Sen. Leslie Robinson: That is confusing.
The Chairman Chairman The Senator asking the questions, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. So just a question, just jumping here to [Subjective Analysis] of Current Account Estimates. We have Salaries and Wages here that in the 2022/23 actual, the Salaries were $3,862,000 and the Wages were $1,356,000. And according to the full …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Would other Senators care to speak on these heads? Senator Tucker, over to you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is around the number of full -time employees budgeted. I am aware and do recall that there was information about some positions not being …
The Chairman Chairman Excuse me, Senator Tucker. Just for clarification, so that would be regarding all four heads? Sen. Robin Tucker: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman All four heads, okay. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you. A second question would be if we can get some information around any contracts, any consultants who are currently working with those four heads and details of those consultancy arrangements? What positions are they in, length of contracts, things of that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Other Senators? Senator Bell. 298 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Kiernan Bell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I think I am able to ask a question on a different head than the main head. So my question concerns Head 68. It is …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Bell. Other Senators? Senator De Couto? Or who wants to go first? Senator Robinson? Whichever one wants to go first. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. I would like to just move to Head 68 in light of time just to get a few questions in on that …
The Chairman Chairman We are all there. Thank you, Senator. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Okay. Good stuff. So we have the Park Service, programme 6801, on page B -226. And just recounting again that in the 2022/23 actual the Government had allotted $559,000 to this particular service, and we saw a marked decrease in …
The Chairman Chairman You are doing very well being under the weather, Junior Minister. Please proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I just have a couple of responses. I would like to proceed with that.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you. Please proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you. For cost centre 46116, Administration, I was asked about why the increases. The increase is attributed to salary increases and upgrading of pay scales after job description review by the MCS. Architect & Design, programme 3614, moved from Headquarters …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, can I just ask a question? Just on the lifeguards, so the 12 full -time is actually over 24 half-time? Did I get that correct? I just want to understand. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes. That is correct.
The Chairman Chairman Correct. Okay. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Correct.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you. Senator Bell, do you have a follow -up to that? You had asked the question about the Lifeguard Ser-vice. Sen. Kiernan Bell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to understand [on page] B -228 in the Budget Book where then it says for 2023/24 there …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Thank you, Senator Bell. Well, Senator Robinson, are there any answers to other questions? Or I think there is another question or two coming from Senator De Couto. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, we can take Senator De Couto’s questions.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Senator De Couto. Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My questions are also related in general to the budgeting of the head count versus the budgeting of the costs. I am going to jump around to give some ex-amples to explain my question. My …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto. Senator Robinson, do you wish to respond to any of the questions thus far? 300 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes, I do want to make some clarifications on the Lifeguard [Service]. So the one FTE is a point …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto. Sorry. Okay. Senator Robinson from the OBA. Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. Just looking to also go under [programme] 6803, Park Maintenance, we have [cost centre] 78045, School Grounds. And we saw a decrease here in 2023/24 original and the revised from $515,000 to $489,000. And …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson, yes. Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: With respect to the Government House and [relocation] of the Governor, the cost of the [relocation] is covered under Capital [Develop-ment] under line item 75340. [Pause] Sen. Dwayne Robinson: I will take a look at that. I am sorry. You have more? …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Sen. Leslie Robinson: The question about the funding compared to the hiring of staff. The process of hiring is much more involved than taking time to fill various roles, between six to twelve months. However, funding is needed first before hiring.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Senator. Do you wish to respond to any questions? Or would you like . . . Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, Senator Robinson from the OBA can continue.
The Chairman Chairman Can continue, okay. Senator. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you so much. Just moving to full -time equivalents on Head 68, we see that this is a revised 2023/24 number of 93 employees. So in 2024/25 there is a budgeted number of 133. So my question here is, Has the Government …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Senator Robinson, Dwayne Robinson, yes, please. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you. So again we have on page B -232 under [programme] 8100, Administration, we have a line item 91001, Training & Apprenticeship. And I just wanted to . . . and, again, I may have missed this in the …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I have a couple more responses.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Bermuda Senate Sen. Leslie Robinson: Regarding the Parks employees, HR is undertaking the hiring process right now to fully staff that area. And then also just further clarification on Government House regarding the cost, the relocation cost is approximately maybe $312,000 per an-num for the G overnor and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Any other questions? Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under Head 81, page B -233, Subjective Analysis. I see the actual insurance costs in 2022/23 were $8.2 million. Last year they were budgeted for $7 million, came in at $8.5 million and now budgeted at $7 million again. Again, I am a little confused. I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Just to let everybody know, we are just under 10 minutes away from concluding this Ministry before we take a break for lunch. Senator De Couto, another question?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you again, Mr. Chairman. It is related to the solar project that was indicated. If they could advise as to who the partner is that they are doing that with. And the funds allocated. It was mentioned that they are leasing. I believe they were leasing. So I …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. We have seven minutes left. Senator Dwayne Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to get two quick questions in. In the Capital [Development] on page C -6 under Public Lands and Buildings, [cost centre] 75309, All Schools Maintenance. We see here that …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I want to respond to the question about insurance cost.
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Sen. Leslie Robinson: For insurance costs, the Government is currently negotiating with brokers to reduce costs as much as possible, and also by looking at their property portfolio, looking to increase deductibles particularly on less critical illnesses.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Senator Robinson, over to you. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes. If I could squeeze my final question in. Under Works & Engineering on page C -6 still, [cost centre] 75042, I am sure most of the community will be very happy to see such a large increase to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, I just have a response to the Senator’s questions regarding schools, the maintenance of the school grounds. I think his questions were, Why did the revised amount decrease when the original amount was for the school grounds? And are the schools being …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. We just have less than four minutes left. I will allow Senator Leslie Robinson to finish responding to the outstanding questions. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, thank you. 302 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Regarding the solar project, the Cabinet will soon consider the …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto May I ask a follow -up on that, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto, yes.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto The other part of the question, given that it is a leased arrangement proposed, what would that $1.2 million budget amount be for? Thank you. [Pause] Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Also for the solar, the capital costs budgeted support necessary enhancements to infrastructure to support the solar process.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman We are in our last minute now before I will ask Senator Leslie Robinson to move these heads. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Mr. Chairman, I have one more response. Question on [cost centre] 91001, Training and Apprenticeship, Head 81, for 2024/25. This allows the recruitment of five apprentices and two trainees. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. That brings us to 1:05. We have just now completed three hours of the debate on Public Works. I will now ask Senator Leslie Robinson to move these heads. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that Heads 36, 68, 81 and 82 be approved …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Any objection? Hearing none, these heads are so moved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Public Works, Heads 36, 68, 81 and 82 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senators, particularly Senator Leslie Robinson. So that concludes our three -hour session. Minister Darrell, what time would you like for this group to reassemble this afternoon? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: If it is okay with you, Mr. Chairman, and the Opposition Senate Leader, I would like to …
The Chairman Chairman At 2:00 pm it is. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman So for the listening audience and those in attendance here we will reassemble at 2:00 pm. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 1:05 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:00 pm [Sen. Kiernan Bell, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF …
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, everybody. Senators, we are back in Committee of the whole [Senate] for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Heads 9, 13 and 43 are to be debated. We have started at 2:00 pm. And Minister Darrell will be speaking to these heads. Sen. the Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman While we pause, I will remind that this is a two -hour allotment for these heads. So we finish at 4:00. Thank you, Minister. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Chairman, Madam Chairman, directly below Safety and Health, you will note that business unit 19035, the Lon-don Office, …
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to proceed with the next head, 43? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: No problem. 310 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate HEAD 43 —DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION AND DIGITAL TECHNOLOGIES Mission Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam Chairman, I will now proceed with the Head 43 …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, I will just interject to say that there is about 45 minutes remaining. I don’t know if you are spending time on the performance measures, whether they can be taken as read to leave enough time for questions. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Absolutely. We will talk about business …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN SENATE VISITOR
The Chairman Chairman I just wanted to quickly acknowledge that the Cabinet Secretary, Mr. Telemaque, is in the Chamber. Good afternoon. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman And to the other Senators, would any other Senator like to speak on this head? Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. And I want to thank the Minister for the brief and also providing us enough time to get into the questions. And of course, the One Bermuda Alliance also extends its thanks and gratitude to the staff. Anyone who has worked in IT knows that …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto You can state yes or no. I think that would suffice for the — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will answer it how I would like to answer it, Madam Chairman.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Was a ransom paid?
The Chairman Chairman I think Senator De Couto has asked a question. He has asked you a question.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I would like to comment, Madam Chairman. I do not understand what is so complicated. Because he can clearly waffle and waste the Chamber’s time, and the public could certainly observe how he chose to waste the public’s time. He could also answer 314 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto They are his choices, Madam Chairman. POINT OF ORDER Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I don’t think that Senator De Couto, who is asking questions in this Budget Debate, can tell me how I should answer a question. So I think that is a point of order, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman I think Senator — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I ask, Madam Chairman, if the Senator De Couto is finished with his questions. I will give him one more opportunity to ask any further before I answer the question that he asked.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Under that business unit, please provide a breakdown of any contracts including the list of third parties to whom they have been provided and the amounts, and confirm whether or not any over $50,000 were gazetted according to the PATI Act. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Do any other Senators have . . . I see Senator Wight. Thank you. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Most large private companies outsource cyber assessment and control the third- party providers on the basis that cyber is a very complex, unique risk with the operational risk and …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator . . . Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just wanted to support my colleague with a quick question here on page B -60 under line item 4301, we have 53090 Security. And I realise that in the revised 2023/24 it is …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. My question comes from page C -9, and that is with regard to the IDT, all of the things that were named as far as upgrading systems and equipment. So, my question really is, that is only half the story, right? …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. I turn attention to the performance measures on page B -63, business unit 53090, Security. I believe I heard that no disaster recovery exercises were done last year due to staff shortage. Could the Minister inform us how many are planned each year in general? So, …
The Chairman Chairman Would any other Senator wish to speak on these heads? Senator Wight. Sen. John Wight: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just for clarification, just looking at the employee numbers, I noted in the Minister’s brief just now that he referenced the understaffing of IT. I just want to better understand that …
The Chairman Chairman And Minister Darrell, we have half an hour remaining so if you have any answers to provide at this time. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I find it a little disingenuous that the Senator will continue to ask the question that has been asked …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto He is misleading the Senate. The Government has not been transparent. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam Chairman, we have been transparent in answering the questions. So I will give you the answer again. What I cannot seem to understand, Madam Chairman, is why i t is once …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of information. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will yield.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. If I may, point of information.
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of information? POINT OF INFORMATION
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto We are quite keen to hear the Minister’s answers, Madam Chairman. I would just like him to understand that. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will go back to answering the question, Madam Chairman. There have been multiple press releases. There have been M inisterial Statements in another …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will yield again, Madam Chairman, because I would like to get to the other questions . But, again, we are grandstanding.
The Chairman Chairman What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto You know, I make claim to no such thing, Madam Chairman. No such thing. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Please, proceed, Minister Darrell. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Thank you. So, I hope this time Senator De Couto has heard the answer because I would hate in tomorrow’s debate on E ducation or Transport that he decides that it is appropriate to ask the same question again. And then …
The Chairman Chairman I see Senator De Couto has his hand raised. Would you care to speak?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I have some supplementary—
The Chairman Chairman Supplementary questions.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —questions. On MyBermudaPost . . . I am looking on page B-51. And I know that the Minister did say that MyBermudaPost revenue is displayed there, but if he could Bermuda Senate perhaps direct me to the appropriate revenue code, I would appreciate that. I want to thank the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson and then Senator Tucker. Thanks. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just have a bit of clarifying supplementals. So, we see a jump of $433,000 invested in security under 53090. And the Minister’s response was that (and I am paraphrasing) the funding that was originally delegated …
The Chairman Chairman And Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. The Minister did mention that they were aware that the IT systems were nearing the end of their life. So, I just want to know at what point were they aware , and what steps were being taken prior to …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: All right. Let me see if I can answer some of these questions. It is nice when they ask direct questions, and then I can just give the answers. It’s nice. I think Senator De Couto has another question.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I still have some out-standing questions, Madam Chairman, with respect to the details with the expense on that.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I think , Senator De Couto, you had some outstanding questions. Senator Wight has some outstanding questions. So I am hoping Minister Darrell has some answers. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: All right. So the follow - up question about MyBermudaPost. Check on page B - 51, object code …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you. That says, “Customs Declaration Fee.” Is that — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: That’s probably . . . we will get back to that one in a minute. Give me a second.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: The question about MyBermudaPost. I guess that is another one of Senator De Couto’s favourite topics. I have thoughts as to why, but I will leave that alone for today, Madam Chairman. MyBermudaPost is priced competitively for the market. Without it, the Bermuda …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of information, Madam Chairman. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I was about to answer . . . go ahead. POINT OF INFORMATION
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I do have a P hD in Computer Science and specifically in computer networking. And I believe it is well understood in the security world that, often, more information can create security by ensuring that people have the right information and know that the right processes and procedures are being …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —is not an effective . . . No. I mean since I was being referred to, Madam Chair-man, I thought I would want to clarify. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I am mindful of that. There are about six minutes remaining for questions. So let’s see if we can get through the remaining questions. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Senator De Couto, while we are so grateful for you to remind us of your credentials and that you have …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Point of information. POINT OF INFORMATION Sen. Robin Tucker: The date of a past penetration test, I do not see how that would be any kind of security risk. If the Minister could explain. Thank you. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I will be happy …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam Chairman, I would like to—
The Chairman Chairman I think Senator Wight had a question outstanding about the staffing and the constant numbers, and then Senator De Couto, in the two minutes remaining.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto A reminder, my question about the contracts or the breakdown of the costs underneath the cyber incident — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Yes, that is a very large question. And we are working on getting the answer to that. I am not sure if we will get it in …
The Chairman Chairman Do you want to just briefly repeat — Sen. John Wight: There was one on . . . well, I guess the first one I asked was: Is there a plan for 2024/25 to have an independent cyber expert assess the cyber risk of the Government’s systems, in that cyber …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. So I think we are now at time, and my understanding is that you will provide the answers that you have indicated to the Senators that asked. Is that what I have heard you say? You are researching and that you will get the answers . Sen. the Hon. …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you previously indicated that you were going to be providing answers to the questions posed by Senator De Couto, did I — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Yes, I would have provided that answer had I had time. Unfortunately, it looks like we have run out, Madam Chairman.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam Chairman, may I make a comment?
The Chairman Chairman Unfortunately, the time is now over, Senator De Couto, so I — Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto: Of course. Of course. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Senator, would you like to move these heads? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Yes, Madam Chairman, I would. Madam Chairman, I move the following heads: Head 9, Cabinet Office; Head 13, Post Office; Head 43, Department of Information and Digital Technologies be now taken under consideration . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. These heads are so moved. Thank you, Senator. [Motion carried: The Cabinet Office Heads 9, 13 and 43 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the fiscal year 2024/25.]
The Chairman Chairman I will now hand over to my Senate colleague, Senator John Wight, for the debate in Committee of the remaining heads today. [Sen. John Wight, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Senators and the listening audience, we will continue with the last debate today , which is the Ministry of Youth and Seniors. Heads for debate under this Ministry are Head 86, Ministry of Youth, Social Development and Seniors Headquarters; Head 23, Department of Child and Family Services; and Head 55, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. MINISTRY OF YOUTH, SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SENIORS Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the 2024/25 budget estimates for the Ministry of Youth, Social Development and Seniors which 320 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate comprises the Headquarters, inclusive of …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed to Head 23. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Thank you. HEAD 23 —DEPARTMENT OF CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Mr. Chairman, I now wish to present the 2024/25 Estimates of Expenditure for Head 23—the Department of [Child and] Family Services, which are found on pages …
The Chairman Chairman Senator , if I can just interject just for a second. I just want to acknowledge and welcome two ladies who have just joined us in the Chamber. Renee Brown, Senior Manager of Child and Family Services and Maureen Trew, Project Manager with Child and Family Services. Ladies, welcome. Thank …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, if I could just interject one more time. I just want to welcome Nadine Henry from Youth Affairs who has joined our Chambers. Welcome. And just to give a time check, it is now 6:13 pm. We finish up at 7:03 pm. Senator, if you can allow time for …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Simmons, thank you very much for that comprehensive brief. Would any Senator care to speak on these heads? Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Do you want me to speak on the last head?
The Chairman Chairman Oh, I am sorry. I missed one. Go ahead. Sorry. HEAD 55 —DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Mr. Chairman, I will now present the estimates of expenditure and revenue for Head 55, the Department of Financial Assistance, which can be found on pages B -301 through B -304 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Before I ask whether any other Senator would care to speak on this Head, I want to welcome and acknowledge Ms. Valerie Robinson- James, Permanent Secretary for the Ministry of Youth, Social Development and Seniors. Welcome. [Committee of Supply, continuing]
The Chairman Chairman Now, would any other Senator care to speak on these heads? I am guessing Senator Tucker . . . over to you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and also thank you to the Junior Minister for bringing the brief here today. I do know that she made reference …
The Chairman Chairman Certainly, yes. It is 6:40 pm and we are going to finish at 7:03 pm, so it is 23 minutes remaining. Thank you, Senator. Sen. Robin Tucker: I promise I will not take up all the time because I know my colleagues have questions too. So I promise not to …
The Chairman Chairman Whatever Senator Simmons would prefer. We can continue asking questions or we can wait for responses to those three, whatever your preference is. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Sorry. You can continue. I am still getting the answers. Sen. Robin Tucker: All right, Mr. Chairman, shall we just see if anyone else …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, thank you, Senator Tucker. Would any other Senator . . . yes, Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just more of a housekeeping question as I know that Youth Affairs, Youth Outreach and Youth Services are most likely being transferred into this department from their previous …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Senators care to speak on these heads? Sen. Kiernan Bell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman . My questions concern Head 55, so I don’t know if we want to leave those until others have had a chance to . . .
The Chairman Chairman Okay, why don’t we wait until we finish on this head, if other Senators — Senator Tucker, do you have another question? Sen. Robin Tucker: I do. I have another question as it relates to Head 86 and that is . . . actually we can apply that across all …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Any other Senator —Senator Robinson. Sen. Dwayne Robinson: Yes, thank you. Just going to performance measures, I just wanted to inquire about the percentage of senior abuse cases open after three months. I just wanted to inquire as to whether or not this percentage here in …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, very good. Thank you. Any other Senator care to speak on these heads? Yes, Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Are we moving on to the next head? Or shall I wait
The Chairman Chairman Senator Simmons, whatever your preference is. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Okay, I can give you some answers now.
The Chairman Chairman Okay, why don’t we start with the answers. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: So the rental amount to be paid by the Ministry comes under the responsibility of the Department of Public Land and Buildings to include in the Budget Book. The question about youth grants allocation. I am unaware of the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, well, why don’t we move on to the next two heads then. I think Senator Bell you had a question about Head 55, so . . . Sen. Kiernan Bell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman . Yes, on Head 55, page B -302. I had a couple of questions related …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Bell. I think there was . . . Senator De Couto, I think, in addition to Senator Tucker . . . so whichever one. If you want to do ladies first . . . or Senator De Couto in this case.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Mr. Chairman, very quickly. This is Head 55, and I was looking at the performance indicator Recoverable Debt. Was Financial Assistance involved in COVID -19 relief payments and can they provide an update on how many of the erroneous COVID -19 relief payments have been recovered to date? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. [Crosstalk]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Simmons, over to you. Thank you. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Thank you. I have some more answers for you. DCFS will have three unfunded positions in this budget year. Also Ageing and Disability Services has three vacant funded posts. Financial Assistance Training will be for local training. The increase in …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, we have about — Sen. Lindsay Simmons: I have one more.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: During COVID -19, DFA maintained the supplemental unemployment pro-gramme and there was only one case of fraud committed. 346 20 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate The Chairman: We have six minutes remaining until we ask the Senator to move these heads. Sen. Robin Tucker: …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: All right, great. I have not asked any questions on Head 23 as yet. So I would like to know from page B -295, Current Account Expenditures on Travel. Can the Junior Minister tell us the number of visits the Director of Child and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. We are now on 7:00 pm, so we have three minutes left. Senator Simmons and the— Sen. Lindsay Simmons: I have some more answers coming in. For able- bodied unemployed, the reduction from year to year is based on the total number of persons on FA …
The Chairman Chairman Two more coming in. Okay. We have one minute, Senator, so . . . Sen. Lindsay Simmons: The Department of Financial Assistance staff comprise of one director, one deputy director, four managers, sixteen officers, one controller, two accounts officers, two investigative officers, five social workers, one executive assistant, seven relationship …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Senators, it is 7:03 pm so this concludes our three hours of discussion on Youth and Seniors. So I thank . . . we will ask the Senator to move these heads, but I want to thank all the Senators and in particular Senator Lindsay Simmons. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, would you like to move these heads. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Can I just answer two quick questions? Youth Service Programme, [business unit] 8604 will have a budget decrease of $4,000. Financial Assistance caseload per worker is approximately 40 assessments per month per worker. With that, Mr. Chairman, I move …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Any objection to moving those heads? Hearing none, these heads are so moved. Thank you, Senator, and thank you everybody. Bermuda Senate [Motion carried: The Ministry of Youth, Social Development and Seniors Heads 86, 23 and 55 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Thank you. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress and sought leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman And now I transfer the Chair to Madam President, Joan Dillas -Wright. [Pause] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Nobody wants to stay? Everybody is leaving. Senate resumed at 7:04 pm [Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright, President, presiding] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, thank you, Madam President, and thank you to the Junior Minister for her presentation. It is much appreciated. We are certainly happy to support. As you know we are, in the One Bermuda Alliance, big fans of helping to get the economy going, helping to encourage businesses starting up, …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President . It is just a follow up or to clarify my understanding. So a local business less than $500,000 if the Junior Minister could confirm, with a payroll of less than $500,000 is not eligible for new hire relief under this amendment. Is that — Sen. …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Junior Minister. The President: Proceed to move your Bill. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Madam President. I move that the Bill entitled the Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2024 be now read a second time. The President: Is there any objection to the second reading? No objection. SUSPENSION OF …
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