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Senate Session 2023/2024 200 speeches

March 18, 2024

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Junior Minister Arianna Hodgson presented the 2024/25 budget, announcing a projected surplus of $210,000 - only the second balanced budget in 35 years. The government projects $1.23 billion in revenue without raising taxes, instead relying on economic growth. Senator Tucker questioned Junior Minister Emily Dill about child support arrears, revealing that the court system cannot provide accurate totals due to outdated technology dating back to 1995, with 2,745 cases in default handled by just one enforcement officer.

Chamber Senate
Date Mar 18, 2024
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 6
Speeches 200

Key Topics

2024/25 Government Budget presentation and debate on the Appropriation Act 2024Child support payment enforcement issues and arrears recovery challengesEconomic performance updates, including GDP growth and employment statisticsGovernment mortgage guarantee program expansion and housing initiativesMajor construction projects including Fairmont Southampton, Brookfield building, and Morgan's Point

Bills & Motions

Appropriation Act 2024 - received first reading and began second reading with budget debate
Government Loans Amendment Act 2024 - received first reading
Payroll Tax Amendment Act 2024 - received first reading
Voluntary Registration of Vital Documents (Miscellaneous Amendments) Act 2024 - received first reading
Merchant Shipping (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2024 - notice of motion given for later consideration

Notable Moments

Government announced the second balanced budget in 35 years, with the last one achieved in 2002/03
Shocking revelation that child support arrears cannot be accurately calculated due to a 29-year-old computer system with data reliability issues
Budget includes largest capital expenditure since 2010 at $112.3 million for infrastructure improvements

Debate Transcript

200 speeches from 6 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you very much, Vice President Kiernan Bell. MESSAGES APPROPRIATION ACT 2024 ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR 2024/25 The President: Ms. Beale. The Assistant Clerk: There is one message, Madam President . [The message reads: ] “To the Honourable President and Members of the Senate: The House of Assembly …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President . Madam President, I hereby present for the consideration of Senate the Merchant Shipping (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2024 proposed to be made by the Minister responsible for Maritime Administration in exercise of the power conferred by section 250 of the Merchant Shipping Act 20 02. I …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President . The Acting Registrar for the Court of Bermuda and the Assistant Registrar provide the following information. The department has calculated that the number of cases in default that were heard during the period 2019 to 2023 is 2,745 persons. The system that is currently in …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill That ends question one. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT SENATE VISITOR The President: Thank you. Before you go on, Senator Dill, I would just like to acknowledge the presence of the Permanent Secretary from the Ministry of Legal Affairs and that is Permanent Secretary Gina Hurst -Mayberry. Welcome to the Senate …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill [Question 2: Would the Junior Minister please inform the Senate as to the total amount of unpaid child support payments that are outstanding for each of the following periods - for up to 5 years in arrears, 10- 15 years arrears and for more than 15 years?] For question two, …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill And question three — The President: Yes, Would the Junior Minister please inform the Senate as to the total number of staff, and their positions whose specific job is dedicated to assisting with the recovery of child support payments that are in arrears?
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill There is one member of staff, an enforcement office, whose specific job is dedicated to assisting with the recovery of child support payments in arrears. Ultimately, it is the magistracy who are responsible for ensuring that the arrears are paid when the defaulter appears before them. Having shared this information, …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President , and thank you, Senator Tucker. 172 18 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate With regard to the one individual, the enforcement officer, their specific task is to deal with those individuals, in terms of nonpayment, et cetera. However, there is a whole team of …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill We can certainly get further input from the department with regard to just exactly what things have already been put in place. But I want to reiterate the fact that I think that . . . the new system that is being put in place that they are ensuring that …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Good morning, Madam President — The President: Good morning. GENERAL ECONOMIC DEBATE BASED ON GOVERNMENT’S 2024/25 BUDGET STATEMENT
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —and to everybody who happens to be listening in. Today we are going to start this three- day process of debating, challenging and questioning the Gov-ernment ’s budget. I will say thank you in advance to the Independent Senators who will chair the Committees and sit through this with us. …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President , it is clear to us that the current Government has no idea how to turn around Bermuda’s finances. This budget is the most recent proof of that . It fails to address fundamental issues underlying Bermuda’s problems. Instead, the Minister of Finance has kicked the can down …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, first allow me to comment on the global economy because as we know, global and regional trends affect us here in Bermuda. We used to say when the United States catches a cold, Bermuda sneezes . But in today’s massively connected world of global commerce, even small events …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto In our local economy, the situation is much less mixed. But u nfortunately, that is because the signs are consistently negative despite frequent Government statements proclaiming, All is well. This is especially true given Bermuda’ s relatively slow recovery since COVID -19 when compared to the positive rebound seen in …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto According to reports from Stevedoring Services, container volumes are materially down since 2019. Minus 6 .0 per cent for the 12 months ending March 2023 and break -bulk cargo, those things not in containers (like in trailers) , down minus 22.0 per cent over the same period. For the next …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, using the Government ’s own retail sales reports, we see similar sobering reductions versus the pre- COVID -19 period. And again, we want to take care here to use what is called the volume statistic , which is designed to take out inflation from the true sales volumes. …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, employment figures provide another lens into local activity based on the recent November 2022 Labour Force Survey and the National Economic Report ’s 2023 Bermuda Senate projections . Total jobs are down minus 4.4 per cent in 2023 versus 2019. IB is up 22.0 per cent. But once …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, just to round out our local economy assessment, we will look at the GDP. Using the latest World Bank and National Economic Report data of real GDP —and again, that is after you take out inflation —and comparing 2022 to the start of the latest PLP Government in …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, as we have seen, IB remains a bright spot in Bermuda’ s economy. The OBA ’s key message is the next G overnment must ensure we do not get in the way of IB ’s continued success. International business must continue to flourish in Bermuda so that Bermuda …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, we have been glad to see some green shoots in tourism since COVID -19, but must face the reality that it is not enough. We are well below our pre- COVID -19 [tourist ] levels and are being seriously outperformed by our competitor islands and jurisdictions. Versus 2019, …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, while asking if Government can deliver, let us turn to our population challenges , which we alluded to earlier . In October 2022, t he Government ’s own report stated, and I hope you don’t mind if I quote, “ the Government will work to develop a strategy …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, let’s turn to the Government ’s current fiscal position and performance. But I would like to get something out of the way. This Government has often characterised criticism of its financial management as racism. But when they do that, t hey fail to address any of the substantive …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, we have discussed this Government ’s bottom -tier performance in GDP and tourism, which has been reflected in worse economic outcomes for struggling Bermudians. Did you know that our current national debt, not including our pension shortfalls, is about $51,700 for every man, woman and child. Madam President, …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, looking to the future, we have a massive pension crisis both for civil servants—which we understand. We will learn more about the improvements there and I look forward to hearing about that —but for the general public’s social insurance. In the past this might have been called developing, …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, let us get a few things out of the way. Last year ’s debt repayment of $50 million. We are glad to see that tranche paid off. But remember that is only because they overborrowed previously and stashed that money in the Sinking Fund. So it is sort …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto So, of course, Madam President, we support proposals to increase spending in digital and IT infrastructure. But we are concerned the outcomes won’t match the monies invested based on Government ’s track record. Of course w e advocate for increased spending to increase our crumbling infrastructure. Why was it not …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto “The Government is not providing the House of Assembly or the public the [analytical] information that would help them understand Government ’s financial statements and its financial condition.” The Government is not providing the House of Assembly or the public the information . . . The 2014 Public Treasury Act …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, the OBA has a vision for the future where [there is ] prosperity for all people, strong, safe and healthy communities, where the Government will be responsible with the people ’s money to enable a just and fair society. The OBA will g et Bermuda there, to that …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Under the One Bermuda Alliance debt reduction will be a major priority. We should have minimum debt. The current levels are not acceptable. We have leveraged the future of Bermuda ’s children, and we need to stop that. Short of betting on the CIT, how would we reduce the debt? …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto With a much smaller debt, we could have over $100 million more to spend on taking care of our people. More for our infrastructure. More for reduc ing taxes. We would create and fund a long-term plan for infrastructure and for paying down the debt and building a strong financial …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, the looming pension crisis must be resolved. We would take immediate action. But that doesn’t mean shock or unpleasant surprise. Changes can be implemented on a stepped or gradual basis so that all pension- holders understand how the changes will impact them and we can all make our …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, we would boost tourism . We would aggressively search for and court investors who we can trust to deliver and who will be good partners with access to capital who do not need to be propped up by the Bermuda Government. Good investors who will stay in Bermuda …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, to address the cost of living, we would also cut red tape. I have talked about innovative building approaches. We want to make it easier and cheaper and faster to construct comfortable, high- quality homes , focusing on places like the City of Hamilton and brownfield sites. We …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, looking to your particular professional interest of health care, we would reverse the block grant for the hospital, allowing it to return to a fee -for-service model. We appreciate that this may be controversial for some, but I think it is best summed up by saying It is …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, government services must be efficient and effective. While some departments (and I won’t name them, but we all know the bright spots) have shown creativity and innovation, the PLP Government leaders have kicked the can down the road for too long and failed to support our civil service …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Finally, Madam President, we must understand and keep first in our minds that it is imperative for us to develop and encourage a vibrant local economy, driven by local businesses owned by and employing Bermudians. IB has been a huge success for our Island, but it cannot be a giant …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, in conclusion, let me say w e have covered a lot of detail. And of course, time prevents us from commenting on many other important areas. But we have sought to show Bermudians that we understand the reality they face today. We want to give them a firm …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. Misleading the Senate. The airport deal had multiple external reviews by esteemed third parties. Thank you. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Madam President, I stand with what I said. Madam President, it is easy to write a Reply littered with negativity and pessimism. But, again, I ask …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, point of order. The Senator is misleading the Senate. The OBA did table the Equality Bill. Thank you,
Madam President. The President Thank you, Senator De Couto. Carry on, Senator Simmons. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: I stand by what I said, Madam President. In fact, I welcome the next speaker from the Opposition to mention a single Opposition Bill they have been working on. But something tells me I will hear nothing. So, …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. The Senator is misleading the Senate. We specifically said we would support agriculture by working with local farmers and agriculture experts on a right - tack approach. Thank you, Madam President. The President: Thank you, Senator De Couto. Carry on, Senator Simmons. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, point of order. That is imputing improper motive. I would like her to retract that statement. Thank you. Sen. Lindsay Simmons: Madam President, that’s not true. That was in their Reply. Bermuda Senate So once again, the OBA proved to make comments that either demonstrates their character by …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, and the listening audience, it is with a sense of profound pride and immense gratitude that I want to start by first of all expressing sincere thanks to our Premier, our Cabinet Ministers, and the amazing cadre of civil servants who have worked tirelessly …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. The budget explicitly includes increased tax revenues so I don’t see how it could be said to have not raised taxes. Thank you, Madam President. The point of order is that the Senator is misleading the Senate. Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam President, I …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President. The Senator is misleading the Senate. Early retirement is not a sacrifice if somebody voluntarily chooses to take it, at their option. Thank you, Madam President. The President: Thank you for your comment. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam President — The President: Senator Robinson, carry on. …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, point of order. This is the second time the Senator has misled the Senate. The President: Senator De Couto, it is not a point of order.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto She is stating things that are untrue about our plans — The President: I have made a ruling already, Senator De Couto. Senator Robinson, carry on. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam President, thank you. We have also heard today from the Opposition that we do not know how to handle this …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of information. I can explain for the Senator. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam President — The President: Will you accept a point of information? Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: No thank you. No. The President: Carry on. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: Madam President, when the One Bermuda …
Madam President. POINT OF ORDER Sen. Robin Tucker Madam President, point of order. I did not say that the One Bermuda Alliance would take us back to basics. I did not say that at all. [ Crosstalk] Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: I’m sorry, Madam President, I thought that she spoke for the One Bermuda Al-liance in this …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of information, I can provide the answer if he will accept it, Madam President. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: No thank you, Madam President. The President: He is not accepting . . . the Minister is not accepting— Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: And when you say the way …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Point of order, Madam President — Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: —how the Government is
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —the Senator does . . .— Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: —investing in our people.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto —the Minister does not know what we want or do not want , Madam President, so I wish he would retract that. Thank you. The President: Your point is taken. Minister. Sen. the Hon. Owen Darrell: When it comes to Tourism, since it was raised by Senator Tucker, we are …
The Chairman Chairman While we are still waiting, the Senator is returning from outside, so it should just be a minute or so. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Okay, Senators and listening audience. We can proceed. The Ministry under consideration is Finance. The heads for debate under this Ministry are Head 10, Ministry of Finance Headquarters; Head 11, the Accountant General; Head 12, Customs; Head 28, Social Insurance; Head 38, Office of the Tax Commissioner; Head 39, Registrar …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Please proceed. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the 2024/25 estimates for the Ministry of Finance are found in section B of the Estimates Book on pages B -108 through page B -131, and in section C on pages C -4, Capital Development, C …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, if I could just interject one second. I just want to introduce and welcome the Finance Minstry’s Acting Financial Secretary, Cheryl -Ann Lister who joined us. So welcome, Ms. Lister. Back to you, Senator. Thank you. Se n. Arianna Hodgson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [ Committee of Supply, continuing] …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, I just want to provide a time check that it is 6:42 and we have until 7:25. So if you can provide time for Senators to ask questions and re-ceive responses that would be very helpful. Thank you. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: I should be wrapping up in the next …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. It was a very comprehensive presentation. Would any Senator care to speak on these Heads? Senator De Couto. Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know it is quite interesting. I am glad I have . . . we . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, I think with the Senator just returning to the room . . . to the Chamber, it might be helpful if you can just repeat those questions —
The Chairman Chairman —so that she can hear them. Thank you.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Business unit 20996, Cyber Incident 2023. Please provide a detailed breakdown of the $3,092,000. Please confirm or deny that a ransomware was paid by the Government . Please confirm or deny if a ransomware was paid by a third party on behalf of the Government . Please explain why there …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I am a little conscious of the clock, Mr. Chairman, and I know that other people would like to ask questions. Please provide your estimates of the cost of refinancing of the bonds due in 2027. That would be [page] B-131 [ business unit ] 68000. And then if we …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, would you like to respond? Okay, so we will take all the questions. Okay. Would any other Senator care to speak on these heads? Senator Bell. Sen. Kiernan Bell: Thank you, [Mr. Chairman]. On the Head 10, Ministry of Finance HQ, I did have a question about the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Bell. Would any other Senator care to speak on these heads? Senator De Couto, further questions?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, I have additional questions, Mr. Chairman. Referring back to the cyber incident, page B - 110, [business unit] 20996. Are there any contracts related to that which were $50,000? Can you please confirm if they have been gazetted yet as per PATI regula-tions? Turning to page B -129, please …
The Chairman Chairman I think we have, if I am counting correctly, we have 12 questions presently. So any other Senator care to speak on these heads? Senator Bell. Sen. Kiernan Bell: I didn’t want to take up additional time from others, but on NAMLC I was grateful for the report that was …
The Chairman Chairman Very good. Thank you, Senator Bell. Any other Senator care to speak on these heads? Senator Hodgson, over to you for responses. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Just for the listening audience. It may be a minute or two before we get responses to these questions. [Pause]
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I do have additional questions. Should I hold them? Or what would you prefer?
The Chairman Chairman Why don’t you hold them so—
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman —that Senator Hodgson can hear them. She is busily researching the existing questions. [Pause] 244 18 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Mr. Chairman, I do have some responses and so I will endeavour to provide those as we gather the rest of the data.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: There was a question about the estimate of the cost of renewing the bonds that will be due in 2027. We do not have the definite amount, but the $402 million bonds due in 2027 and the cost to make whole would be the $1.7 million. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. We have a couple of . . . you had some questions on the land tax, one the $4 million increase in revenues and the questions around the cyber incident. Those would be the remaining— Sen. Arianna Hodgson: I did speak to the $4 million in land …
The Chairman Chairman Any other questions from . . . Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have one question and it is from Head 28, Social Insurance, page [B -]121, Performance Measures. Under the compliance section, business unit 38040, second item from the top, it actually says Conduct …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. Any other questions? Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the Junior Minister would please explain the purpose of the government captive insurer for Public Works. Is there a specific set of risks that it is for? Or is it general? Or any other quick commentary she can pro-vide. And then on [page] B -116, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator De Couto. We have five minutes remaining until the conclusion of the Finance Ministry. Bermuda Senate [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Bell, you have a question? Sen. Kiernan Bell: I do have one additional question — Registrar of Companies and the recruitment of the new 28 positions. So that is, as I understand it, not including the four from the merger of the Treaty Unit. I would like to understand …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Bell. Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Mr. Chairman, there was a question about the cyber incident and the associated costs of $3 million. So I do want to say that the $3 million is a result of the payment for remediation efforts which has been paid to consultants and …
The Chairman Chairman Senator, anything further on the ransom questions? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Not at this time.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Mr. Chairman, can I ask a clarifying question?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you can, Senator.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto If the Junior Minister could answer that question perhaps saying they choose not to answer it or saying she doesn’t know the answer, that would be clarifying. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Hodgson, over to you. [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman We have three minutes remaining. [Pause] Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Mr. Chairman, there was a question about the understaffed issues within the De-partment of Social Insurance and whether all six per-sons were in charge of inspections. There are five of the six who are completing inspections and then there will be …
The Chairman Chairman I think the increase in the Registrar of Companies, the complement went from . . . I guess, increased by 28 people. So Senator Bell just asked whether that recruitment process was in place, and I think what the . . . sort of a progress report on success in …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, I think that concludes the time, the three hours allotted to the Ministry of Finance. Thank you, Senator Hodgson and I now ask if . . . would you like to move these heads at this time? Sen. Arianna Hodgson: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that Heads …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Are there any objections to the moving of those heads? Hearing none. These heads are so moved. Thank you, Senator. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Finance Heads 10, 11, 12, 28, 38, 39, and 58 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure …
The Chairman Chairman That concludes the Ministry of Finance and I will turn the Chair over to my colleague, the Senator and Vice President Kiernan Bell for the upcoming session on Economy and Labour. Thank you. [Sen. Kiernan Bell, Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Good evening, everyone. I think it is getting late so I will move quickly if that is okay. We are moving the following heads under the Ministry of Economy and Labour so that is Head 27, 246 18 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Immigration; Head 60, Workforce Development; …
The Chairman Chairman So, are you ready to proceed? MINISTRY OF ECONOMY AND LABOUR Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, I move the following heads: [Head] 27, Immigration; [Head] 60, Workforce Development; and [Head] 94, Department of Economic Devel-opment be now taken under consideration. Madam Chairman, I will start by presenting …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. I should have indicated the time that we started as well, which was 7:27, so we will end the Committee discussion at 10:27. Did you want to go straight on to the next . . . Head 60? Or did you want to have questions on …
The Chairman Chairman That is fine. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you. HEAD 60 —DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT Sen. Leslie Robinson: Head 60 is the Department of Workforce Development found on pages B -188 through B-193, and page C -19 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Madam Chairman, it gives me great pleasure …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Do you want to move on to the next, Head 94? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. HEAD 94 —ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Madam Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 94, the Economic Development Department (EDD) found on pages B -194 through B -197, and C -19 of the Budget Book. Mandate or …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Would any Senator wish to speak on these heads? Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I have several questions. I will ask sort of a few at a time. On the Department of Immigration, Head 27, page B -183, Department Objectives. So the objective …
The Chairman Chairman Can you repeat the last question, Senator Tucker? Thank you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Sure. That was from page B -183, Department Objectives, again in connection with investigation of immigration infractions. Can the Junior Min-ister please tell us how many general investigations resulted from information received from the public for 2023 …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. Do you want me to see if any other . . . Would any other Senator like to ask a question or speak to the— Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, do you have answers already? Sen. Leslie Robinson: I was saying, sorry, Madam Chairman, I was responding to whether or not . . . go ahead and . . . if there were any other Senators to ask questions. 260 18 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate The …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am referring to page B -183, Status and Naturalisation and then I am cross -referencing with page B - 184 and it is a two- part question. There seems to be close to $1 million ($952,000) under 8301, Status and Naturalisation in revenue. But that …
The Chairman Chairman I think that is fine, Senator De Couto. Continue.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto I am just looking at the Performance Measures, and perhaps I see under Per-sonal Services the percentage administrative tasks au-tomated, and 25 per cent of them were automated in 2022/23; 25 per cent were automated in 2023/24; a target to automate another 25 [per cent] . . . I guess …
The Chairman Chairman So would you like to— Sen. Leslie Robinson: Just the last question that he had.
The Chairman Chairman Can you repeat the last question, Senator De Couto in reference to the ex -spouse’s rights certificates.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, it is with respect to the Performance Measures under 37020, Personal Services. Would Senator Robinson be able to explain why it takes two to three months to process ex - spouse’s rights certificates and why it takes six to nine months to process Bermudian status grants for Commonwealth citizens? …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Do you want . . . Senator Robinson, I don’t know if you have any answers to give at this stage or whether you would prefer me to con-tinue to see if any Senators would like to speak. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I can give a couple of answers. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, yes. I think that was the first question that Senator Tucker asked. Would any other Senator in the meantime— yes, Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I thought I would jump in sort of on the back of Senator De Couto’s question concerning the digitisation …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I have a few other answers.
The Chairman Chairman Proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: There was a question about how much [was] spent on deportations in 2023. Com-pliance confirms $139,457 was spent on deportations for 2022/23. Bermuda Senate With respect to digitisation, the next phase is an RFI to digitise all the applications under our control, but not the UK …
The Chairman Chairman And, Senator, is that an answer to the series of questions about the timeframe or a particular . . . one of those questions? Sen. Leslie Robinson : [INAUDIBLE] work permits. [Pause] Sen. Robin Tucker: Madam Chairman, can we just get a clarification because I am confused about the answer …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I think . . . Senator, if you are able to explain which question that is providing the answer to. Your last answer. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I am just getting clarification. [Pause] Sen. Leslie Robinson: This is to answer the question on why so long to process …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator. I think there may have been one question by Senator Tucker which was asking about the difference between the processing time between two different applications one corporate, one personal, but same permit. I don’t know if that answer applies there to. Sen. Robin Tucker: Madam Chairman, that …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Tucker. [Pause] Sen. Leslie Robinson: There was a question asked about how many consultants in the Immigration. In compliance it is four; personal services it is five; and corporate services, it is five. Contracts are from 1 April 2023 to 31 March 2024. Sen. Robin Tucker: Madam …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: This would be related to [page] B - 185, full -time employees. The Junior Minister did mention that there are 16 vacant positions. And with respect to the answer that she just gave concerning the consultants, I would like to know, one, What is …
The Chairman Chairman Any Senators wish to speak while we wait for the additional answers? Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Since we have so much time, I would like to ask another couple of questions. [On page] C -19, we have heard that there has been increase in awarding scholarships which is a …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: The spousal . . . the processing time for spousal letters is listed at two to four months. However, per the budget brief, this time was recently (in February 2024) reduced to one month for new applications and 10 business days for …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just in relation to the answer that we just received, I would be interested to know what the timeline may be for getting the job descriptions completed, particularly in view of the fact that last year, 2022 . . . sorry. …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman—
The Chairman Chairman Yes? Sen. Leslie Robinson: I have another response. This was in relation I think to Bermudian status. Applications for Commonwealth citizens are processed in six to nine months based on the volume of applica-tions received and the process requires that applications be advertised.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. I think Senator De Couto, if you had a question, I think I saw your hand.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. I am trying to keep it to Immigration to assist the Senator to collate her answers. Page B -187, performance measures. I am looking at the time to grant PRC certificates, and I am mindful of the recent news about intended changes to the Government …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I have a response [regarding] scholarship funding. Funds have been reallocated for other programmes. However, if there are persons that have need, the department on a case- by-case basis can reallocate funds to support the student.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. On page B -187, Performance Measures, business unit 37040, Finance and Administration, the last item. A number of key positions identified require succession plans, five positions are forecasted. Can the Junior Minister provide a breakdown of those positio ns and identify …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please proceed. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I have another response regarding recruitment. Per the budget brief, Immigration plans to fill vacant FTEs during fiscal year 2024/25. The review by management consultant services is now complete. Job descriptions that needed to be updated are now complet e and must now be …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Senator Tucker, I think you had an additional question. Sen. Robin Tucker: I do, thank you, Madam Chairman. Also page B -187, Performance Measures, business unit 37030, Compliance, the second item. Percentage of all . . . it speaks to the percentage of all senior immigration inspectors trained …
The Chairman Chairman My note indicates that it was the penultimate question that you asked where you asked a question about five positions requires succession planning and the time . . . and you asked a question about the time for implementing each key position and com-ing up with those succession plans. Does …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Robinson, I will . . . Senator Tucker, I will delegate [you to] ask the question. Thank you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman . Okay, so this again comes from page B -187, Performance Measures, business unit 37040, Finance and Administration, the last item. It mentions a …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you. I thank the Junior Minister for answering that question. I would ask if she is able to share what other responsibilities may be delayed as a result of the individual or the role that has responsibility for these things that . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. I have some questions on Workforce Development. Should I proceed or should we wait and give the Senator a chance to come up with some of the other answers?
The Chairman Chairman I think we may have some answers coming from Senator Robinson and then if there are no further questions on that we may be able to move to the other heads. Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Senator Tucker was asking about the vacant post increase by …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: I am understanding the time and I think it would be best if we can go on to the next head to get some questions from that.
The Chairman Chairman Are you happy . . . this is your time, so are you happy to move on to the next? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Sen. Robin Tucker: Can we get a time check please, Madam Chairman ?
The Chairman Chairman It is 9:35 and we will be stopping at 10:27. So you have just under an hour remaining. Sen. Robin Tucker: If we can get a few more answers and then move on to the next head, that would be great. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I would ask that …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. So, I think Senator De Couto you had a question on the next head.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. With respect to Workforce Development. I turn to pages B -192 and B -193, the goals . . . Performance Measures . . . sorry, excuse me. I will ask my questions with respect to them. Under the Administration, business unit 70000, there is a …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: [The amount of] $1[39],457 spent to deport —
The Chairman Chairman Sorry, are we going back to the Immigration head? Sen. Leslie Robinson: I want to go back just so that we have got some answers so that Senator De Couto will hopefully be satisfied. [The amount of] $139,457 spent to deport, what line item spent out of . . . …
The Chairman Chairman I may not be correct on this, but I think there is just one question outstanding on the Immigration head which was, How many general investigations from public complaints were made and what were their outcomes? [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman In the meantime, Senators, I don’t know if we want to continue to proceed with Head 60 Bermuda Senate while we wait for that additional answer on the Immigration Head. Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. On Workforce Development, my question comes from page B -189, General …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am still hoping for an answer on the number of PRCs granted in the last financial year and antici-pated in the upcoming financial year. Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, we are coming with that answer shortly.
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Madam Chairman, I am almost hesitant to ask the question because this is just in relation to an answer that was just given. It was mentioned that it is unknown how many investigations resulted from information received from the public in 2023. Can the Junior …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, I think that was the first question by Senator De Couto on Head 60. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes, okay. And also a question, Madam Chairman, from Senator De Couto about the PEPs revised from 200 to 100. How many people forecast to have them, how long to they last, …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Again, [page] B -189, business unit 6004, Training. In relation to the question I asked a few minutes ago regarding national certification for landscape gardeners and the rest of the categories (welders and electricians and so on) a second part to …
The Chairman Chairman Any other Senators wish to speak to these heads? I think I see Senator De Couto’s hand.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam Chairman. 266 18 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate I have questions with respect to Head 94 if everyone is okay if we move along to that. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I am okay with that.
The Chairman Chairman Please proceed.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Okay, thank you. Would the Senator be able to provide us with the top three priorities of the Economic Development Plan? Because it is quite a long list and I know that general feedback on it was that it would be important to prioritise. How does the Government view its …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. On this particular head, I would like to ask whether this department has any consultants working in it and if they do if the Junior Minister can advise the number of consultants, the length of the contracts and the positions, please. …
The Chairman Chairman It is getting late for all of us, Senator Tucker. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, it is getting late. Madam Chairman, which area was she referring to? Senator Tucker, which area . . . Madam Chairman, was she referring to?
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker, would you mind repeating? Thank you. Sen. Robin Tucker: Sure. So I am asking about, we are talking about Head 94, Economic Development. [Pause] Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, Senator De Couto asked about the top five priorities.
The Chairman Chairman I think it was top three. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Top three priorities. Business attraction and investment promotion, entrepreneurship and small business development, continued execution of the Economic Recovery Plan. Madam Chairman, for [page] B -189, Training Certificate, How many people received certificates in each category in 2023? The current fee …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Also, Madam Chairman, in response to Senator De Couto’s question about Shore-side processing. Is it still in the plan? The answer . . . this was transferred to the Ministry of Home Affairs and integrated into the Agriculture Strategy being led by DENR [Department of …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam Chairman, can I ask a clarifying follow up on my question about the Economic Development Strategy?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto What I really meant was if you go and you print that Strategy out, there are five strategic priorities. But underneath each high- level priority, there are several strategic initiatives —too many for me to mention. I really would like to know of all those more detailed initiatives, what are …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Also, Madam Chairman, EDD [Economic Development Department ] has three consultants and length is one to six months. The BDA had a consultancy contract for lead generation for $100,000 that lasted for 10 months. Madam Chairman, PRC numbers to date is 282 and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: May I ask another question on Head 94? I thank the Junior Minister for answering the question about the consultants. Can the Junior Minister tell us what the total number of vacant and funded positions in the depart-ment [is]? And what is the total …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I want to thank the Senator for providing that number of PRCs , which was 282 to date. I would like to know if the Government has a forecast of how many will be provided in the future— the financial year coming. And then I …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you. I am looking on page B -195 and I see that Concierge Services seems to have gone away or moved out of this head. That is 9405. And then I flip over to the Performance Measures on [page] B -197 where they still remain —several performance measures there. …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just a question on page C -28 Rentals. I see for the Department of Economic Development there was no revised estimate for 2023/24, but there is $71,500 allocated for rentals for 2024/25. So, can the Junior Minister sort of tell us …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto All right, Madam Chairman. May I proceed with some more questions?
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thanks. And as a reminder, I would still love to know that forecast for the number of PRCs granted in the forthcoming fiscal year. With respect to page C -19 and the grants to the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation of $2.2 million, I believe, if I am correct, the most …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. And we have approximately 20 minutes remaining. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, at this time, we just do not have the forecast tonight for the PRCs. So, we cannot answer it tonight, but we can get this information in about another week. Madam Chairman, EDD is moving to …
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto, would you mind repeating your question about when to expect audited accounts?
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you. My understanding is the last audited accounts for the BEDC are from 2018/19, and the last annual re-port was provided in 2017/18— as in provided to the Legislature. I would like to know when we can expect any one since then, frankly, but preferably the most up-to-date …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Yes. Just one last question about the rentals. I thank the Junior Minister for answering that question. Does she have any idea when the department will be moving? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, not at this time, to Senator Tucker’s last question.
The Chairman Chairman Senator De Couto.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I actually just want to preface this. I wanted to say thank you to the Senator for quite an informative and an efficient brief. I think this has been very useful and beneficial to the public. So, I am grateful to her for ensuring that …
The Chairman Chairman And we have 12 minutes remaining. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, the BEDC is still negotiating with the vertical farm provider, so details are not finalised as yet.
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam Chairman, I do have a follow up if we would be able to know if it was a local company or an overseas company. That we would be grateful to know. Thank you. Bermuda Senate [Pause]
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I just want to sort of remind . . . just still waiting for an answer regarding workforce development. And that was, How many people received national certifications as landscape gardeners, welders, electricians, and automotive mechanics in 2023? And in addition, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator Robinson. And I just could be getting tired, but I think you may have answered the certification fee of $265 still stands and has not changed and that you did not have the exact number for certifications but that you under-took to get this for Senator Tucker …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Senator — Sen. Robin Tucker: I would like to thank the Junior Minister, but I just wanted to point out that the original for 2023/24 for applications and certifications on the Revenue Summary is zero as well as the revised forecast for 2023/24 is zero. So, I just …
The Chairman Chairman And we have seven minutes remaining. And I believe there are a couple of questions outstanding on Head 94 Economic Development in reference to the marine tours and how many businesses and people they serve, a question by Senator De Couto, if I said that accurately. He is nodding. And …
The Chairman Chairman Senator Tucker. Sen. Robin Tucker: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Yes, so again in the revenue summary on page B-190, as it related to Certification Fees, business unit 8436, the original amount for 2023/24 . . . Well actually, I will go back. The actual for 2022/23 is zero. The original …
The Chairman Chairman And five minutes [are] remaining. [Pause] Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, we are just checking on that last one. We may not be able to get it tonight, again due to the lateness of the hour, but we are checking.
The Chairman Chairman So, Senator Robinson, sorry, I may not have heard you completely. Did you say you were not going to be able to get any additional answers? Sen. Leslie Robinson: Yes. That last one from Senator Tucker, we will not be able to get the answer tonight. We will revert with …
The Chairman Chairman So, would any other Senator care to speak on these heads in the last three minutes remain-ing? Senator Tucker. 270 18 March 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda Senate Sen. Robin Tucker: I have just one last question. I just am curious only. And this is performance measure . . . …
The Chairman Chairman Okay, we have hit the allotted hour of 10:27, so I would like to thank all the Senators, Senator Robinson, and all the Senators who asked questions for a good debate. And I will with gratitude at this late hour hand back the seat to Madam President. Sen. Leslie Robinson: …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, indeed. Sorry. I got ahead of my skis. Senator Robinson, would you like to move these heads? Sen. Leslie Robinson: I move that Heads 27, 60, and 94 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman Is there any objection? No objection. [Motion carried: Ministry of Economy and Labour Heads 27, 60, and 94 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for 2024 /25.] Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam Chairman, I move that the Committee rise, report progress and ask for leave …
The Chairman Chairman So, there is no objection to these heads. So, these heads are so moved. Thank you, Senator Robinson. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress and sought leave to sit again.
The Chairman Chairman And now I can hand the Chair back to Madam President. [Pause] Senate resumed at 10:29 pm [Sen. the Hon. Joan E. Dillas -Wright, President, presiding] REPORT OF COMMITTEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2024 /25 The President: Sorry, I will repeat myself. Is there any objection …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Thank you, Madam President. Just before I start, those who will be perusing the [Register of] Members’ Interest statements will note that I have an interest in real estate in Hamilton. But also those who have been perusing the various statements on the budget and economy know that the One …
Sen. Dr. Douglas De Couto Madam President, just a follow -up question, or a supplemental if you permit it . . . for the record. The President: Senator Robinson. Sen. Leslie Robinson: Madam President, I thought we were going to move this Bill. The President: The Senator has agreed to move her Bill. So we …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I move that Standing Order 71(2) be suspended so that Senate may now proceed with consideration of the Merchant Shipping (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2024. The President: Is there any objection to that motion? No objection. [Motion carried: Standing Order 71(2) suspended.] DRAFT REGULATIONS MERCHANT …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam President, I move that Senate do now take under consideration the Merchant Shipping (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2024 proposed to be made by the Minister responsible for maritime administration in exercise of the power conferred by section 250 of the Merchant Shipping Act 2002. Thank you. The President: Is there …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam President, the regulations for consideration before the Senate today is Merchant Shipping (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2024. These regulations amend the Merchant Shipping (Fees) Regulations 2023 to implement a new set of fees for the Bermuda Seafarers Medical Examination Programme (or SMEP), provided by the Bermuda Ship-ping and Maritime Authority …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Thank you, Madam President. [Pause]
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill As I await specifics regarding the additional training, I believe that the brief is clear that what they are looking for . . . that these individuals will be receiving medical examinations, so these are doctors, the medical doctors that would examine the individuals. I am just waiting to hear …
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill At present the training programmes are provided by the companies and they are located in Nigeria, but they also have personnel who are former trainers and instructors. The President: Thank you for your response. We will now pass the regulations.
Sen. Rev. Dr. Emilygail A. Dill Madam President, I move that the said draft regulations be approved and that the following message be sent to Her Excellency the Governor: May it please Your Excellency: The Senate, having had under consideration the draft Regulations entitled The Merchant Shipping (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2024, proposed to be made by …
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