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February 26, 2024

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Session Summary

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This was primarily a budget session focused on the Ministry of Health's spending plans for 2024/25. Minister Kim Wilson presented a $10.3 million budget for the Health Ministry headquarters, with significant funding allocated toward implementing Universal Health Coverage for all Bermuda residents. The session included question time where MP Dunkley asked about staffing levels in security services, revealing current shortfalls compared to approved positions. The Minister also announced 10 scholarship recipients under the Dr. Barbara Ball Public Health Scholarship program, supporting Bermudian students studying medicine and health sciences abroad.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Feb 26, 2024
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 9
Speeches 226

Key Topics

Health Ministry budget presentation for 2024/25 fiscal yearUniversal Health Coverage (UHC) implementation plans and fundingHealth service manpower levels across police, customs, corrections, and fire servicesDr. Barbara Ball Public Health Scholarship recipients announcedCommunity congratulations for various local organizations and achievements

Bills & Motions

Motion to resume Committee of Supply to consider Health Ministry budget estimates (approved)
No bills were formally read or voted on during this sitting - this was a budget review session

Notable Moments

Minister Wilson offered to sing the "healthy people in healthy communities" jingle during her budget presentation, drawing laughter from members
Nearly $2 million allocated specifically for Universal Health Coverage program management and consultants
All scholarship recipients studying medicine and health sciences were individually named and recognized

Debate Transcript

226 speeches from 9 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members . [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Acting Clerk will lead us in prayer. PRAYERS [Prayers read by Mr. Clark Somner , Acting Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker The House is now in session. CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 23 rd of February have been deferred. MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGIES
The Speaker The Speaker The Premier, Minister Hayward, Minister Campbell, MP Susan Jackson and MP Christopher Famous have all indicated they will be absent today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker We do have questions this morning. There were written questions submitted to the Minister of National Security. Those questions we re from MP Dunkley, and they are for oral response. Minister, do you have your answers? MP Dunkley, would you like to put your questions? And we will start the …
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: MANPOWER OF BERMUDA POLICE SERVICE, HM CUSTOMS, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND BERMUDA FIRE & RESCUE SERVICE AS OF 31 JANUARY 2024 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, to the Honourable Minister: Will the Honourable Minister please provide for this Honourable House the current man-power levels as …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: The current manpower levels as of January 31, 2024, are as follows: • Bermuda Police Service —432; • HM Customs —176; 490 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly • Department of Corrections —179; and • Bermuda Fire & Rescue Service—134 …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? No? Okay. Would you like to put your second question? QUESTION 2: APPROVED MANPOWER OF BERMUDA POLICE SERVICE, HM CUSTOMS, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND BERMUDA FIRE & RESCUE SERVICE FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2023/24 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Second question: Will the Honourable Minister please provide …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The approved and funded manpower levels for the current financial year, April 1, 2023, to March 31, 2024, are as follows: • Bermuda Police Service —492; • HM Customs —184; • Department of Corrections —185; and • Bermuda Fire & Rescue …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? No supplementaries. Would you like to put your third question? QUESTION 3: OFFICERS HIRED IN BERMUDA POLICE SERVICE, HM CUSTOMS, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND BERMUDA FIRE & RESCUE SERVICE APRIL 2023 TO JANUARY 2024 Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Third question: Will the Honourable Minister please …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you. The number s of officers hired from April 1, 2023, to January 31, 2024, are as follows: • Bermuda Police Service —15; • HM Customs —4; • Department of Corrections —9; and • Bermuda Fire & Rescue Service—23.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? No supplementaries? Members, that brings us to a close of the Question Period this morning. We will now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Let me reset the clock. Deputy Premier, you have the floor. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to offer congratulations to the Leopards Club International Bermuda. This past week-end they had a gala, which was part of a full week of activities. I will associate …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. I hear you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They are celebrating 75 years of existence. And I definitely will get a special mention to Minister Mi-chael Weeks who I know is a long- standing member of that club. They have had a week of remembrance, of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you Deputy Premier. MP Weeks, would you like to have a contribution? Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks for the Leopards Club International. I too, like the Member who just sat down, have been a longBermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Tyrrell, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I would like to send congratulations to the St. Paul AME Church. I had the privilege, together with some of my other colleagues, to attend their Men’s Day two Sundays ago. And the theme for the day, just in case you …
The Speaker The Speaker Tweed, Tweed, Tweed. Nicholas Tweed.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I meant to say Nicholas Genevieve -Tweed. How is that? He gave up his pulpit on the day for a very, very good speaker, the Rev. Dr. Jahkimmo Smith, who gave a very outstanding sermon, and everyone, I believe, who left that day — [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I do not know where he is from exactly, but I know he is at Mt. Zion. I know he is at Mt. Zion. And I believe everyone left there that day with a blessing. So I certainly want to congratulate them on a very fine Men’s Day. Thank you …
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan, I saw you jump. Would you like your three minutes?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the congratulations sent out to St. Paul [AME Church] and the Men’s Day Committee in particular, the organiser of the Men’s Day, MP Tyrrell. Tarik Bean- Darrell, being my cousin, did an outstanding job of organising that, and it was a …
The Speaker The Speaker Are you finished? Okay. Thank you. MP De Silva — You are still on your feet. I thought you wanted to go on. You had a few more seconds, a few more minutes left there. MP De Silva. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. All right. So does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? No other Member? We will move on. MATTERS OF PRIVILEGE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Members and our listening audience, that now leads us to the business of today. And as all will know, we are here for the first day of the actual debate of this year’s budget. And today, eight hours are allocated between two ministries. The first this morn ing is the …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, yes. Go ahead. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. I think that is it. I am sorry.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, once the Deputy [Speaker] gets in the Chair . We will go from there. Deputy. House in Committee at 10:2 2 am [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 202 4/25
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the Year 2024/25. We will be doing the Ministry of Health, Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91. I call on Minister Wilson. Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Kim N. …
The Chairman Chairman Continue, Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly MINISTRY OF HEALTH Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Health Ministry’s budget is found on pages 154 to 174 of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. Mr. Chairman, today I am pleased to present the budget for the Ministry …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Well, well, well! Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, the Customs Tariff Act was amended as promised in last year’s Budget Statement, 2023/24, to focus the sugar tax on sodas and drinks with sufficient added sugar [and] candy made primarily from sugar and chocolate. Items with small amounts of additional …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hear, hear! Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Mr. Chairman, Lefroy House Care community. They have undergone major works and a refit to replace the roof and to upgrade the dining hall and annex. Unfortunately, a restricted operating licence remains in place, limiting occupancy until further reroofing works are completed in April …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Okay. The time now is 12:27. We are two minutes, three minutes outside of lunch. So we will end at this point as it makes no sense to read and stop in the middle of a brief. Thank you, Minister. And I just want everyone to know that this debate …
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo So moved. Proceedings in Committee suspended at 12:27 pm Proceedings in Committee resumed at 2:0 7 pm [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2024/25 MINISTRY OF HEALTH [Continuation thereof]
The Chairman Chairman Members, we are now resuming in [Committee of Supply] on the Ministry of Health. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, I do apologise. I thought I heard 2:15. So forgive me. With me starting eight minutes late, will that enable the debate to continue for an extra eight minutes? Because …
The Chairman Chairman We will take advice regarding that. In the meantime, you may continue on. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Okay. I apologise to colleagues. Central Government Laboratory Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Before we broke, Madam Chairman, I was just starting off with the Central Government Laboratory [CGL] 2024/25 budget estimate for the …
The Chairman Chairman Minister. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes?
The Chairman Chairman Before you continue. For the cost centre 34000, King Edward VII Memorial, you stated that the monies were $112,498,000. The Budget [Book] states that it is $112,978,000. Just for the record, you need to know the correct figure. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Oh, I will definitely get that information and …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Thank you. [Pause] Hon. Kim N. Wilson: In total, this is an increase of $239,000 compared to 2023/24 due to increased fund-ing for specialised adolescent care. Madam Chairman, BHB’s block grant funding is set at $322 million, which is also made up of payments from the Mutual …
The Chairman Chairman I would just take a brief minute to inform the public and the House that we now have ap-proximately 55 minutes remaining in the debate. So I call on the Minister to continue. Thank you, Minister. Stroke Care— Educating the Community to Act Fast Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We have one head remaining. The head is 91, and the Minister will continue on Head 91 when she is able to, for Health Insurance. HEAD 91 —HEALTH INSURANCE Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, I will now present the budget for Head 91—Health Insurance, found at …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Yes, go ahead. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: And it is $112,978 that was the KEMH funding.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: So there was an error.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you for pointing that out.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, I extend my gratitude to the Health Insurance Department ’s valued business partners including Sutherland Health Care Solutions, TELUS Health, Argus Insurance, Global Medical Management Inc ., and ProServe for their ongoing support to the d epartment. Additionally, heartfelt appreciation goes …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. We have 30 minutes remaining. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91? I recognise the Member from constituency 10. Member, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Madam Chairman, and I thank the Honourable Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Madam Chairman, in the time that I have left, let me break it down into three specific areas of concern. And then I will get specifically into the heads and the Budget Book as we develop those. But in summary, let me say …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you for that declaration. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: As we talk about the engine room, I would like to thank all of those involved who do it for their love of Bermuda. The charities that the Honourable Minister talked about, the LCCA, PALS —and the list is too much …
The Chairman Chairman Can you just cite which head you are talking about? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am going to do that, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I think generally in Head 21 is where I am going to start, Madam Chairman. Because in Head 21, that is where the Health Council is listed, and also that is where the Office of Project Management, which I believe, Madam Chairman, was …
The Chairman Chairman Page? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: On page B -158. If you look at the health measures, halfway down the page it says, “Establish Programme Management Office for universal health [coverage],” right? I have always had a little bit of concern with performance measures because sometimes I just cannot figure ou …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So, if that office is not established fully yet, I would assume that work is not tak-ing place fully. And maybe that programme measure needs to be changed to get more with the times that we are facing at the current time, Madam Chairman. So …
The Chairman Chairman Previous budget. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —but also in the first page of this.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It was overshot, and it was $158 million. So, it is $11 million extra. The next year it was $147.251 [million]. It ended up $162.0 million, and that was $15.0 million extra. This current financial year was $155.0 million plus change, as the total budget …
Madam Chairman. The Chairman Chairman Yes. I am following. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay, good.
The Chairman Chairman Stats. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Excuse me?
The Chairman Chairman I said I am following your stats. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay. Cool. Well, some of the numbers I am carrying forward with some of the extra numbers that were put on top.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You won’t see that all in the budget. So, if we expect the hospital to continue with the quality of care that we want to see and all Bermudians want to see, we need to make sure that they can be funded in the appropriate …
The Chairman Chairman So, Member, perhaps you might want to put that question to the Minister instead. Ask her what the strategy is behind financing the budget this way. And perhaps she can give you the answer you are seeking. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I will do that. I was just trying to …
The Chairman Chairman So, Member, why do we not put questions to the Minister that make her address your concerns? So that at least you can get from her what is being put in place to address the very concerns you raise. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is a good question. And I …
The Chairman Chairman Member, just letting you know you have approximately seven minutes. So, if you have other questions, you might want to just keep putting the questions to the Minister. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am well aware how much time I have because the eight minutes that we did not start …
The Chairman Chairman So that you know, it probably falls under Community Health. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes. 32060, yes. But I have moved on [from] there now to Lefroy House and Sylvia Richardson. The Minister did say that 21 per cent of client needs have not been met in 2023/24. And that …
The Chairman Chairman There is one minute remaining. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I get that. Yes. So, the Minister will not have a chance to answer any questions. Madam Chairman, as I close, I want to show my full support to all of the community work that is being done for better health. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. There are only about 30 seconds. Are there any other Members who wish to speak? If there are none, I call on the Minister. 528 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Just really quickly, there …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I was going to tell you it is now time for you to move your heads. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Madam Chairman, I move Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91 be approved as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91 be approved. Any objections? There are none. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Health Heads 21, 22, 24 and 91 were approved and stand part of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25.]
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. [Pause] [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman]
The Chairman Chairman Good afternoon, Honourable Members. We are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year 2024/25. We will be doing the Ministry of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97. We call on the Minister, the Deputy Premier …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs; Head 29, Registry General; Head 49, Land Evaluation; Head 79, Environment and Natural Resources; Head 89, Energy; and Head 97, Land Title and Regis-tration be now taken under consideration.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am grateful for the opportunity to lead the debate and present the Estimates of Reve-nue and Expenditure for Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97, representing the Ministry of Home Affairs Headquarters, the …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. HEAD 29 —DEPARTMENT OF REGISTRY GENERAL Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you very much for your permission, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 29, the Department of Registry General, found on pages B -310 to B -313 of the Budget …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I would like to now go to Head 49.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. HEAD 49 —DEPARTMENT OF LAND VALUATION Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, it gives me great pleasure to present the budget for Head 49, the Department of Land Valuation, found on pages B -314 to B-316 and C -16 of the Approved Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure book. Mission …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The department’s work ethic, principles and expertise are aptly summarised in their maxim, We value Bermuda , as the department strives to be a model of appraisal and assessment administration with a reputation for delivering impartial, accurate and understandable assessments that exceed statu-tory requirements, …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Sure. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —revaluations for land tax purposes as required by the Act; •providing prompt and accurate valuation advice to the Tax Commissioner and the Registrar of the Supreme Court on voluntary convey-ances and probate matters; and •providing valuation and policy advice to other government departments as …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, please. Hon. Walter H. Roban: If you don’t mind.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, why not. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman You are welcome. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The department’s projected revenue is estimated to be $1,368,000 for the coming year. This estimate represents an in-crease of $88,000, or 7 per cent when compared to the original estimate of the last fiscal year. An anal-ysis of the projected revenue inclu des …
Mr. Chairman. The Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Several other revenue cost centres are expected to decrease slightly and they will be explained as part of the forthcoming performance measures in discussion in my brief. However, of note, are the reductions of lobster diver’s licences, 8533, by $39,000 or 38 per cent. And …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It has to do with . . . there are numerous environmental factors which are impacting the plentifulness of lobsters in our environment and we . . . but it is important that we control the outtake of that so that they have time to …
The Chairman Chairman Understood. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And we are working to get a handle on those, hopefully with their support.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Manpower Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, the department has 7 9 full-time equivalent posts . This is the largest department in the Ministry and the largest number of staff. This is on page B -321 of the Approved Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure. This is an increase …
The Chairman Chairman Wonderful. Capital Development Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, Capital Development is on page C -8. The department has two active capital accounts focused on Minor Works. Project 75271, Minor Works —Environment and Natural Resources, is a capital minor works budget of $100,000 that will provide for the general maintenance …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: This is an absolutely crucial facility for us to continue to advance our food security, support our farmers and continue to make agriculture an essential part of economy and growing it as a part of our economy. We have 700- plus acres of land that …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Output Measures Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Chairman, while a complete tabulation of the Output Measures for the Depart-ment [of Environment and Natural Resources] can be found on pages B -322 through B -324 of the Approved Estimates [of Revenue and Expenditure] for 2024/25, I will endeavour to hi …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It should be known by the public, Mr. Chairman, is that we play a leading role in IC-CAT, as like a part of that convention. And in some cases, Bermuda is not only representing Bermuda but we are tasked with representing other jurisdictions, other …
The Chairman Chairman Can it be transplanted? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, sir. There are a lot of projects going on to do that. Business Unit 89030 —Marine Heritage and Health 542 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly (Page B -322) Hon. Walter H. Roban: In 2023 the nine …
The Chairman Chairman Right Hon. Walter H. Roban: We have kept that in place. I am very pleased we have done that because I believe that has been helpful to, at least on our end, not being responsible for any increase in prices.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. They are very expensive as it is. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, they are. It is like $3.00plus a pound for a bunch of bananas. So, we are not trying to add to that. Business Unit 8 9090 —Agronomy (Page B-324) Hon. Walter H. Roban: The Agriculture Service Centre …
The Chairman Chairman They should. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: I’m sorry?
The Chairman Chairman They should. 544 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes! [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: But some allocated sectors continue to be underutilised causing the excess rainwater captured overflowing to the sea. Processes to fairly re -allocate water rights to companies who …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Unlike many places that are starved for water. We actually have good quality water right within our natural environment. And we just have to make sure we use it wisely. The progress under the Memorandum of Understanding [MOU] between the Government and Keep Bermuda Beautiful …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Business Unit 89120 –Aquarium and Zoo (Page B-324) Hon. Walter H. Roban: Onsite veterinary examinations continued on a fairly normal schedule with over 223 animals in the Government collection receiving preventative veterinary care. These numbers are in line with what has been happening over recent years. Business Unit 89130 …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Some of the other points I would like to discuss, Mr. Chairman, is better resources for enforcement. Acknowledging that effective enforcement is one of the most critical elements of effective management, the department has continued to work with the United Kingdom on its Blue Shield …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: So, we know what is going on out there and we appreciate the support that they are giving us in this. And I would like to thank Government House and the US Consulate for their support for this initiative. And in going forward it promises …
The Chairman Chairman Not to. Hon. Walter H. Roban: — to [not] feed the feral chickens. And those who have chickens in their care, to control them. Because this is a serious, serious issue.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, it is. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And I get pictures. I get information feedback from farmers regularly as to showing me the decimation that they are experiencing with their crops because of, particularly, feral chickens. Tackling Climate Change with Nature- Based Solutions Hon. Walter H. Roban: While Bermuda may …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: So when we see mangroves in Bermuda, note that they are actually helping to keep our marine environment healthy in so many ways. Not only in the marine environment but also protecting the land. Ensuring We Have Clean Air and Water Hon. Walter H. Roban: …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Armed with these findings the farmers can tailor their soil amendments to existing field conditions and types of crops being planted. They will undoubtedly help our farmers to reduce costs and improve yields. [Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo, Chairman] Increased Education Hon. Walter H. Roban: A …
The Chairman Chairman You have approximately two hours remaining. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. Thank you. Plans for the Upcoming Year Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, the department will continue to focus its efforts on increasing local food production and assisting industry in reducing local production costs. We will work on the …
The Chairman Chairman Please do continue, Minister. HEAD 89 —DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY 548 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am pleased to present the budget Head 89, the Department of Energy found on pages B -325 through B -327, also pages C -8 and …
The Chairman Chairman Yes, Minister. Please continue on with Head 97, Land Title and Registration. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman And indeed, as you have pointed out, in so many other areas as well, Bermuda is known for punching above her weight. So . . . Hon. Walter H. Roban: Absolutely. Absolutely! Not just in financial services.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. HEAD 97 —LAND TITLE AND REGISTRATION DEPARTMENT Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, [Land Title and Registration Department, can be found on pages] B-328 through B -330. Madam Chairman, the Land Title Registration Department’s mandate is: Guaranteeing land titles, simplifying property transactions, and using digital technology to maintain data …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, let me just point out that under Land Title Registry fees, 8294, the Budget Book states that it was a reduction of $97,000, which indeed, as you pointed out is a 19 per cent decrease. Hon. Walter H. Roban: [That was] $97,000?
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you. I will take note of that error if I did that. Thank you very much. So far, the fiscal year for Land Title and Registration Office has received an estimated 846 applications to change the register to accurately reflect prop-erty ownership. This includes …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. And I would like to echo my — Hon. Walter H. Roban: I’m sorry.
The Chairman Chairman Go ahead, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I don’t know if I mentioned Ms. Maughn, who is the Controller. The Chairman: Yes, you did. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I did? Okay.
The Chairman Chairman Yes, you did. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay. I know . . . I did in my mind . . . I didn’t know if I did it when Ms. Maughn was here.
The Chairman Chairman Yes Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I will sit down.
The Chairman Chairman And I would like to congratulate, give early congratulations to Ms. Azhar and her retirement. And she does . . . she is one who has stood out over the years as a lady of excellence and has brought much expertise. In fact, when working with her she would have …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman You now have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Let me start where the Honourable Minister and Deputy Premier left off with thankyous. I would like to extend my similar thanks to all the folks at the Ministry of Home Affairs and the hard-working individual civil servants. This is a complicated Ministry. Home Affairs is often the Minister that …
Mr. Scott Pearman Which is fantastic because we unfortunately ran out of time entirely last year. But I think that shows that Planning has moved and it shows how much of a chunk that Planning took up in the relevant Ministry. Now it has moved over and we will deal with that on …
Mr. Scott Pearman It is the smallest. I am grateful for the clarification. And what we see is that the costs are going up to $15.527 million from the 2022/23 actuals of $13.713 million. So, in the last two years we are seeing a circa increase of $1.8 million, give or take. So …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, and he can—
The Chairman Chairman —for two seconds.
Mr. Scott Pearman —jump in. And indeed the answer to your question as well, Madam Chairman.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman So going back now to the first of the six heads, Head 93, Ministry of Home Affairs Headquarters, page B -307. And we were just talking before that aside about Planning having moved. And what I wanted to come on to now is Consumer Affairs. Be-cause if we look at …
Mr. Scott Pearman I welcome a point of clarification. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Member, do you . . . yes. He yields. Continue, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Walter H. Roban: Consumer Affairs, in the last fiscal year, I think prior (I think it was last fiscal year), was moved to the Department of Legal Affairs. So it has not been, for the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you. I hope that at least answers your query here.
Mr. Scott Pearman It does. I am grateful for the point of clarification. And perhaps the Minister may want to just point out to the Legal Affairs team in advance of Wednesday’s debate that there is no line item for Consumer Affairs there in the Budget Book. So perhaps it has just gone …
The Chairman Chairman You can just go ahead and ask the questions. His technical team will take those questions and make certain that the Minister is able to give you a response.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am grateful for that clarification. So we have got the questions —
The Chairman Chairman And he is back here as we speak.
Mr. Scott Pearman And he is back; he is back. So we have got the question on Professional Services and that marked increase in professional services over the last two years. The next item that the Minister covered when he was addressing us on the Headquarters and its general policy changes. He covered …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I will take it. Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Just on a minor point.
The Chairman Chairman Sorry. The Member has yielded, so please continue, Minister. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you. When the Member used the word “independent,” I wanted to clarify. And I have said it in my briefs already a number of times, but “independent” means that they are people who …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. 556 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: That is what “independent” means, in reference to they will come to their conclusions having not had any involvement —
The Chairman Chairman Prior influence. Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —with any of the previous stages of the process.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Minister. Thank you for that clarification. Member, please continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. And as before, I am very happy to take the clarifications as and when they come. In respect of those persons, and I was about to actually come on to what the Minister has said, which is people who had not been involved in the process. …
Mr. Scott Pearman I yield, yes.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Minister, you may continue. The Member yields. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chairman. That committee has already been appointed. It was announced some time ago, last year. Senator Lindsay [Simmons] Wilson is the Chair of the advisory committee. It is populated by a number …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you, Minister. I hope that answered your question, Member.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Let me start by apologising to either Senator Simmons or Senator Wilson, whoever took offence in my error. Hopefully, neither of them. Just sticking with this question or this topic, we had the Canine Advisory Committee established. I think what we would like to know or what would …
The Chairman Chairman So are you asking for the mission statement of the committee that he has just recently struck up? Is that what you are asking for . . . for clarity?
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I would really like to know what the solutions are at a high level, at a 30,000 foot level. I mean, is it more dog wardens? Is it to require licensing for dangerous dogs again? Will the law re-vert? Will the law change somehow?
The Chairman Chairman Okay.
Mr. Scott Pearman And then, more specifically, and just to link it to the Budget Book, there are a couple of specific questions that arise, and if I could ask, Madam Chairman, for you to go to page B -321, at the moment if we look at the box up top, Employee Numbers …
The Chairman Chairman Are you asking the Minister the question?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes; I am asking that specific question. Does that mean that we are only licensing 30 per cent of our dogs? And then there is another statistic right below that, which you will see, Madam Chairman, total inci-dents and complaints to which wardens responded to. Now, again this is maybe …
The Chairman Chairman Minister, are you ready to respond to the questions thus far posed? Yes? Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am happy to respond. But I was hoping that I would get all of the questions from the Honourable Member. I am prepared to answer what he has asked so far. But …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Member, it might be better if you do pose all of your questions because I think that the way that the flow was going that you would be able to receive a majority of the answers once you have fielded all of your questions and given the time that …
Mr. Scott Pearman I will tell you what I will do. I do want to ensure that we leave time for the answers because my questions are just questions. It’s the answers that people want to hear. But I am happy to be guided by you.
Mr. Scott Pearman What I will do is pose the remainder of my questions under this second Head 79.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. And then—
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am happy to have answers and if time runs out , the time runs out. 558 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: Right. And I was just going to say if you have any further questions after that, my suggestion is that …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Madam Chairman, I am happy to answer the Member’s questions that he has asked thus far.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And then we can go through and . . .
The Chairman Chairman Yes, that was the directive that was given, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: How much more time do we have now?
The Chairman Chairman Minister, we are looking at just under an hour. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chairman. In progressing the questions ask by the Honourable Member from constituency 22, one of his earlier questions was the increase of $1.1 million in Planning was over at the Cabinet and can I …
The Chairman Chairman State the page number. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Walter H. Roban: Okay . . . oh, the actuals were, what, 103,000 to 110,000. Is that what it says? Mr. Scott Pearman: Yes, the actuals were 110,000 and it then went up to $810,000. Generally, what is behind that?
The Chairman Chairman What is driving the increase, yes? Hon. Walter H. Roban: And then 604 for the fiscal year. The answer is the Department of Energy consultants are included in that figure. That is why . . . that is responsible for the change. A question was asked on general policy changes …
The Chairman Chairman Infractions. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, infractions. —on site, rather than having to wade through another process. So that will come sooner than later. But there are other measures in light of the current circumstances that we are looking at. And that is where the advisory’s work is going to …
The Chairman Chairman The Minister is just checking on his response to make certain he has been fulsome in his reply. I want to remind the listening public that we are working on Heads in the Ministry of Home Affairs. And we are in the throes of the debate on Heads 93, 29, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97? I recognise the Member Scott Pearman. Please continue.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. And thank you Honourable Minister, Deputy Premier, for dealing with questions posed. There was one last one, that I have raised but it wasn’t dealt with. And that was just the number of actual dog wardens and the suggestion that, if I am correct with [page] …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Minister, are you ready to answer?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, he’s ready. I will yield.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Madam Chairman. Yes, I think we have three now. And as I stated in my budget [brief] , we are looking to fill the vacant spot. And that is what is happening right now.
The Chairman Chairman So that will bring it up to four full-time Hon. Walter H. Roban: It will be the established posts. The established number is four, and we are filling the vacant post.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. Thank you. Member Pearman, please continue with your questions.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, thank you. So, then, just sticking with dogs (although changing topic on dogs slightly, but still with dogs), also at [page] B-320, so one page earlier, under revenue summaries, the Minister noted in his brief that there was approximately $100,000 fall in revenue summary since the actuals of 2022/23. …
The Chairman Chairman One second, Minister. Member, you asked new questions about the dog and you said that the Minister had made it clear in a previous statement in the House that he would pay attention to whatever comments came his way in terms of advice. And you asked him for clarification on …
Mr. Scott Pearman Absolutely. I am happy to clarify. Is it the Minister’s position that if this panel departs from what he described previously as his (quote) “finalised plan,” if the panel’s recommendations differ is the Minister going to approach their recommendations with an open mind and change his plan? That was the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you for that. Bermuda House of Assembly Now, I’m sorry Minister but you did . . . you have a point of clarification, or . . . ? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. I am going to wait for . . . I am not going to answer …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Thank you for that. So, the Member can then ask [the Ministry] of Transport those questions. Member, as we have stated earlier, we would like for you to ask all of your questions so that the Minister can then handle all of the answers.
Mr. Scott Pearman Of course. I will; I’m grateful. So, there are two that I have posed. One was about the panel, and the finalised plan. And the other he just answered on derelict vessels. But there was one prior to that which was in relation to the revenue drops at page B …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Walter H. Roban: I am only doing this because I have spoken to this quite a bit. I am not trying to break the Member’s flow, but I think I have been very clear in that . . . and this has been a matter …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Member? Hon. Walter H. Roban: I’m sorry, Madam Chairman, I have one last point to make.
The Chairman Chairman Yes. The Member has yielded. Continue, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I would encourage the Member . . . he might want to speak to them about what their position is because—
The Chairman Chairman Well, he can’t take— Hon. Walter H. Roban: —they have their own views on it, but —
The Chairman Chairman Yes. I was just going to say he would . . . in order to get their position he would have to speak to them. Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. I cannot give him their position as to why —
The Chairman Chairman Exactly. 562 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Walter H. Roban: —other than what I have explained. And that is the position of the Government and—
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. So, just to recap, there were two outstanding questions, both regarding the panel. One was about his open- mindedness for the panel’s changes, if there are changes, and also when the panel would be announced. I will park those, and go on with further questions.
The Chairman Chairman Please.
Mr. Scott Pearman Before I move off of the derelict vessel point, let me also offer my thanks to the KBB [Keep Bermuda Beautiful] because I know that this has been a plan long in coming. I have had the pleasure of meeting and discussing it with them and it is nice to …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member.
Mr. Scott Pearman Moving then on, and again sticking with the water, but moving to a different pew perhaps, the Minister got into the topic of Blue Shield. I do have some questions, really a general one first. And that is, when the Blue Shield project was announced (and I know the Minister …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads . . . get it right, 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97? I see no other Members at this time. Minister, would you like to answer the questions? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, thank you, …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The outer waters is 20 going out to 200. We do not have the capability to go out that far and patrol ourselves. So that is why it has been beneficial to have the US Coast Guard who have enthusiastically shown a willingness to support …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: So we are happy to have that. They will be patrolling outside and also within the inner waters of the EEZ. So that is what they are doing and we are happy to continue that partnership with them. We have to support the UK Government …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: When it comes to the totally approved figure for the agricultural services, yes, the $13 million is the total approved figure. I cannot at this point give a precise date on when we will get to that stage. This is the first phase . . …
The Chairman Chairman Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —until the new centre has been fully developed.
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But the preparatory work in consultation with Public Works, because we are not running this building project. They are running it on our behalf. So the monies that we have been allocated will be provided to Public Works to do the preparatory work that is …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: There was another question about BIOS and the air quality study all measuring am-bient quality, not specific to BELCO. BELCO, as I did state in my brief, have their own requirements to have monitoring put up and their monitoring, I believe, is given over t …
The Chairman Chairman Right. Hon. Walter H. Roban: That money is just extra money that we will use to do any other worthwhile projects that may come around. Often we have persons who come with very worthwhile, environmentally complementary projects that we feel that they deserve to get support and we will try …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you very much—
The Chairman Chairman Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads . . . the attending Heads of the Ministry of Home Affairs? I recognise the Member Scott Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Member, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Madam Chairman. There was one question that was still outstanding from the questions posed and that was when the panel was going to be announced on the BOPP marine panel . . . it is not the BOPP panel, it is the independent panel. But when will that …
Mr. Scott Pearman They are retreading some ground. But you very kindly confirmed at page B -322 in terms of feral animal removal that the Budget Book was right and that the target in the projected year will be 6,000 feral animals removal. That falls under Head, business unit 89000 Administration, rather than …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89, 97? Recognising that there are no others, Minister, would you like to answer the questions? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Clean Air Amendment Bill is . . . we recognise with many recent …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: There were a couple of other questions that the Honourable Member —
The Chairman Chairman Posed. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —posed . . . how much more time do I have?
Mr. Scott Pearman When are the panels announced and how many dealing with the feral —
The Chairman Chairman Member, I have not recognised you. Yes, do you have the answer to your questions, Minister? Minister, we have approximately three minutes remaining. So you may quickly answer those questions before you move the Heads. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The panel will be announced very soon is all I can …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And they are in that process and they will have a very fixed time to actually do their work because we are on a very . . . we are on a disciplined timeline to get the sort of BOPP proposal through the …
The Chairman Chairman Okay. I think the questions [that] have been asked are answered. Are there any other Members who wish to speak to Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97? I recognise Member Pearman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I am not going to pose any more questions given that we are now at the end of the time but, thank you, Madam Chairman, and thank you Honourable Minister and Deputy Premier. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Member. There being no other Members, Minister you may move your Heads. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. Before I move my Heads, I again wish to thank the very able team under the Ministry of Home Affairs and all of my departments. Not only do I respect them …
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97 be moved. Are there any objections? There being none, it is approved. [Motion carried: The Ministry of Home Affairs, Heads 93, 29, 49, 79, 89 and 97 were approved and made part of the Estimates of …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Committee reporting t o the House? There ar e none. Members, w e thank y ou for your participation today in the first day of the annual debate. I t rust t hat it was a very i nformative process t hroughout t …
The Speaker The Speaker 10:00 am. Any objections? No objections? Any Member wish to speak to that? None? Members, the House now stands adjourned until Wednesday morning at 10:00 am. [ Gavel] [ At 8:00 pm the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Wednesday, 28 February 2024] 568 26 February 2024 Official Hansard Report …
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