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House of Assembly Session 2023/2024 445 speeches

February 23, 2024

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The Premier announced that Bermuda has received formal permission from the UK Government to begin exploring full membership in CARICOM, moving beyond the current associate membership status. The Minister of Works apologized for poor road conditions and explained the causes, including BELCO's underground cable project, water infrastructure work, excessive rainfall, and broken government equipment. The Deputy Premier said a marine spatial plan covering Bermuda's waters will be released "soon" for public comment. The session also covered new rules protecting employee tips and a draft development plan for Hamilton city.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Feb 23, 2024
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 21
Speeches 445

Key Topics

CARICOM membership update - Premier announced Bermuda received UK permission to explore full membership in the Caribbean CommunityRoad conditions and repair plans - Minister of Works provided detailed update on poor road conditions and improvement effortsMarine spatial planning - Deputy Premier updated on the Bermuda Ocean Prosperity Programme (BOPP) draft planEmployee tips protection - New policy template to help employers comply with upcoming tips protection lawHamilton city planning - Release of new draft development plan for Hamilton

Bills & Motions

No bills were debated or voted on in this session
Several policy statements and templates were tabled for information only
The session focused on ministerial statements and updates rather than legislation

Notable Moments

Premier revealed that the previous OBA government had actually received similar permission in 2016 to negotiate with CARICOM, signed by former Premier Michael Dunkley
Minister of Works sent 15 staff to Tennessee for training on new road equipment and announced plans to purchase new asphalt plant and machinery
Some back-and-forth questioning about when the marine spatial plan will be released, with the Deputy Premier only saying "soon"

Debate Transcript

445 speeches from 21 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members The Acting Clerk will lead us in prayer . PRAYERS [Prayers read by Mr. Clark Somner , Acting Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members. The House is now in session. [Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 16 February 2024]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, the Minutes from the 16th of February have been circulated. Are there any amendments? No amendments. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [Minutes of 16 February 2024 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker The only announcement this morning is that the MP Caines will still not be present today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE
The Speaker The Speaker There is one paper this morning in the name of the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: Good morning. TIPS AND OTHER GRATUITIES POLICY STATEMENT TEMPLATE PURSUANT TO SCHEDULE 1A OF THE EMPLOYMENT ACT 2000 Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker There are five Statements this morning. The first is in the name of the Premier. Premier, would you like to present your Statement this morning? Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. CARICOM —AN UPDATE Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker , it will no doubt be recalled by this Honourable House and the public that in the 2023 Speech from the Throne the Government set out the following undertaking: “the vision of former Premier, the Hon. Dame Jennifer Smith …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Deputy Premier. Deputy, would you like to present your Statement at this time? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to Members and the listening public.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. UPDATE ON FISHERIES Hon. Walter H. Roban: I rise today to update the Honourable House on the work undertaken on the Bermuda Ocean Prosperity Programme. Mr. Speaker , initiated in June of 2019, the Bermuda Ocean Prosperity Programme, otherwise known as BOPP, is an exciting program me aimed …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Works. Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. UPDATE ON ROADWORKS
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, in keeping with prior commitments made by myself to keep the public informed, I rise again in this Honourable House today to address the state of our national highways and plans to address their deplorable condition. Mr. Speaker , I begin by reminding Members and the listening public …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Economy and Labour. Minister. Hon. Jason Hayward: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. TIPS AND OTHER GRATUITIES POLICY STATEMENT TEMPLATE PURSUANT TO THE EMPLOYMENT (PROTECTION OF EMPLOYEE TIPS AND OTHER GRATUITIES) AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. Jason Hayward: I am pleased to introduce in the Honourable House of Assembly a Template Tips and Other Gratuities Policy Statement pursuant to the Employment (Protection …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Cabinet Minister.. Minister. THE DRAFT CITY OF HAMILTON PLAN 2024 Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I am pleased to announce the release of the Draft City of Hamilton Plan 2024 …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, that brings us to a conclusion of the Statements for this morning. We will now move on. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker The questions this morning are generated from the Statements that have been given. And we have three Members so far who have indicated they have questions on this morning’s Statements. The first [question] this morning is actually to the Deputy Premier. Deputy Premier, you have a question this morning from …
Mr. Scott Pearman Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the listening public.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON FISHERIES
Mr. Scott Pearman Good morning, Honourable Deputy Premier. In your Statement to the House this morning on BOPP, you said —and with your leave, Mr. Speaker, I will quote: “ I now have a draft plan for consideration. This plan will soon be released to the public for com-ment. ” Are you able …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, I will try a little harder. Soon next week? Soon next month? Soon next year? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Soon as it is ready to be released.
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. You also state that you are in receipt of the draft outline plan from the Fishermen’s Association. If you are releasing your own plan soon, will your plan be delayed to take on board the comments from the Fishermen’s Association?
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I guess I am going to have to read part of my Statement again because I was very clear as to what I was going to do. And if you will allow me, I will do that.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Walter H. Roban: “In order to ensure that all comments are carefully considered, I will be inviting a panel of advisors to review all of the comments received. This panel will include persons with expertise in marine related areas who have been independent of the marine …
The Speaker The Speaker We will see what the Member’s interpretation of that is. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker This will be your second question.
Mr. Scott Pearman This will be my second question.
The Speaker The Speaker Correct. QUESTION 2: UPDATE ON FISHERIES
Mr. Scott Pearman Will that panel be providing their recommendations, having considered the Fishermen’s Plan, before or after you release your own plan?
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Walter H. Roban: The Honourable Member, Mr. Speaker, is not really listening to what I said. The BOPP plan will be delivered to myself. And then it will be delivered to the panel to consider. And anyone, including the fishermen, anyone who has an interest, any mem-ber of …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary. So I think from that answer, Honourable Deputy Premier, you will not be delaying your plan to take on board their considerations. Your plan will be going to the panel without taking on board their considerations. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I believe again, Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. I do not think I misread it. My understanding is you are not going to delay your plan. It is going to go to the panel, and it is not going to be delayed to take on board their considerations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I think some clarification is . . . I have interpreted something different.
Mr. Scott Pearman If you have, Mr. Speaker, I would love clarification. It sounded like the plan is going—
The Speaker The Speaker I do not want to see this going back and forth. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Wait, wait, Minister. I do not want to see this going back and forth. But I understood that the Minister said that there is a plan that is already in hand, so to speak. That plan will go to the board for review. And it will take all the considerations, …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, I was seeking for my own clarification on which side was correct. That is all. That is all. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes. But the Member is seeking to impute a certain purpose for what has been said. And that is frankly dishonest.
The Speaker The Speaker No! No, no, no, no. No problem. I just wanted clarification because I am always mindful of the listening audience, wanting to be correct on the radio. And I think we have cleared it up, hopefully. Is it clear?
Mr. Scott Pearman It is clear. The answer to your question, Mr. Speaker, is crystal clear. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Any further questions or supplementaries?
Mr. Scott Pearman No, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. 398 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Deputy, those are the only questions for you this morning. The Minister of Works, the next questions are you for. The first is from the Opposition Whip. QUESTION 1: UPDATE …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, Minister. On page 3, obviously this is a tough time for yourself in having to manage these unfortunate circumstances we are in. You mentioned in the quote there from December 15 that the asphalt miller in particular is causing problems as well, being …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, let me first say that the miller is back in service. But it is old and unreliable. And we both trade millers on occasion with East End Asphalt. There has been an attempt to see if not only could we rent a miller, but rent a plant. And …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? Second question? [No audio]
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, yes, I am aware. About four years ago when they finished paving at the airport, they offered it to us. It was too expensive at that time. That piece of equipment is still here. We have had a recent look at it. The challenge with it is that …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary? None. Thank you, Opposition Whip. Minister, you also have questions from MP Jackson. MP Jackson, would you like to put your question? QUESTION 1: UPDATE ON ROADWORKS
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Good morning, Mr. Speaker, and thank you. My question to the Minister is, I am wondering if he would remind the Honourable House and the general public why the private, large utilities are not repaving the roads after they have finished their roadwork and make them either the same as …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, the private utilities, as in this case BELCO, do pay to reinstate the roads. The challenge with the trenching that BELCO has done is that it must settle before you can go back and pave the whole half of the road. That is the requirement under the new …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, Mr. Speaker. That is sufficient.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Members, that brings us to an end of the Question Period. We will now move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker MP Swan, before I finished you are on your feet. Would you like to make a contribution?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I rise on a very sad note initially to have condolences sent to the family of Ms. Pam Ben from St. George’s, whose siblings and [her] I knew very well. She was a constituent. Sisters Helen and Mona Lisa, and brother Lynwood, and her family and friends. She …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And he could lock the window, and then we boys were trying to get in around the back side, and he was always going to beat the drum. But Mrs. Lambert was a stalwart of the Salvation Army church, came to Bermuda from Canada and made her home in White …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today and will take the liberty, if I may, of associating all Honourable Members to ask this House to send a letter of condolence, but also …
The Speaker The Speaker You are following your colleague that started that one. Hon. E. David Burt: Okay. Affectionately known as “Slip,” Antoine was a cherished member of our community, known for his kind demeanour and unwavering presence and a symbol of tranquillity amidst life’s tumultuous ways. Certainly this community will mourn the memory …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Jackson.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to send condolences to the family of June Morris. She was a long- standing constituent, and she certainly stayed loyal till the very end. And although our visits turned into telephone calls in the last few years, whether it was because we were …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister Burch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, thank you. I would like to be associated with the condolences [regarding] Mr. Antoine Brangman, the father of MP Jache Adams. I would also like to extend condolences to the family of Ms. Delores G. Thomas, who was eulogised this week, Mr. Speaker. If you knew Ms. Thomas, …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Dr. Dorothy Matthews - Paynter, who is 101 years old. She was present and present in the classroom. And just . . . I mean, just a lovely person. They had some of her equipment there from her hairdressing days. And it was — [Inaudible interjection]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I said that. And so yes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to send congratulations to Paget Primary. But P6 Liverpool in particular. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker MP Simmons -Wade. Very quickly that time. You have your three minutes.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade Yes, for the fourth time. [Laughter]
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons- Wade Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade As I mentioned previously, I have approximately 33 per cent seniors in my constituency. And in honour of their birthdays, I am going to give six of them birthday wishes. Joseph Roque, who turned 75; Wellington Masters , who turned 75; Kenneth Wainwright, who turned 91; Albert Jackson, who turned …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. MP Foggo was up real quick that time.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Yes. I beat the Deputy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the House, and good morning to the public. Mr. Speaker, I would like to say condolences for at least two persons. One for my constituent, octogenarian and matriarch for St. David’s, Ms. Relda Jones, who is sorely missed, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy Premier. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Michael was a cousin of mine. So I appreciate condolences being brought there. But I would like to bring a very positive recognition, Mr. Speaker, to the House. This past weekend a centenarian celebrated her birthday, Ms. …
The Speaker The Speaker MP Ming, you have your three minutes.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker and listening audience.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mrs. Renee Ming First of all I would like to be associated with the comments for Winifred Pam Ben and also for Ms. Simons, Ms. Twiggy Simons. Mr. Speaker, I rise today on a very sad note. You have iconic people who live in your constituencies. And one of mine was Mary Elizabeth …
Mrs. Renee Ming She was much to many. She served in a capacity of volunteer for 10 years at the Centre for Abuse. And in 2015 you may recall there was an article in the Royal Gazette where she spoke about why she did that for so long and her upbringing and the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister Weeks. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the remarks for a former classmate, Michael Swan. He was probably the shortest in our class, but the quickest, as the MP from C -3 has said. …
The Speaker The Speaker First female commissioner. First female. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: What did I say?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You said first commissioner. 402 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael A. Weeks: First female Commissioner of Corrections. Pardon me, Mr. Speaker. She is something that our young ladies can aspire to and be proud of. And I send my congratulations out to her …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister Furbert, would you like your three minutes? Hon. Tinee Furbert: I would. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning to you. I would like to send condolences to three families, Mr. Speaker. [To the family of] Mr. Darryl Edwards of Hamilton Parish, Kitty’s Lane, his parents, Delbert and Veronica Edwards, wanting to send sympathies and condolences to the family. Mr. Edwards …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Would any other Member like— Minister Campbell. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to send condolences to two families, the first being that of Melvina Louise Robinson, who was in her 91 st year. I had the privilege of speaking at …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Associate me, too. Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes. [Also mother of] Savannah, Valerie, Paula and Lesseline Brown. She was the aunt of MP Chris Fa-mous and the great -aunt, I believe, of Minister Jason Hayward. Both of these ladies were constituents of mine. Both lived on Boundary Crescent a couple of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. MP De Silva, you have your three minutes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to be associated with the condolences of our fellow MP, Jache Adams, for the loss of his father. Also associating with the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, no. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And of course, everybody will know that I am an Eagles boy.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yeah! Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But hopefully when he gets a little older, he will realise that that is where his place should be. But in the recent mini -tournament that the BFA [Bermuda Football Association] held in preparation for the Kappa tournament, he scored eight goals during …
The Speaker The Speaker Any other comments? Opposition Whip.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you again, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be associated with the condolences to Minister Tinee Furbert’s constituent, Michael Fahy, Sr. I did get to know him quite well, very much a quiet man, unlike his son, the well -known former Minister from Senate, Michael Fahy’s son. So …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Lister.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Dennis Lister III I would first like to start off by associating myself with the comments for Ms. Delores Tucker, the passing of her. She was actually my wife’s godmother. So I would like to just add my condolences. Mr. Speaker, it is always good to open up the newspaper and see good …
Mr. Dennis Lister III So the work of our three groups coming together and doing a cleanup, hopefully that can encourage other groups around the Island to help get back to beautifying our Island. So thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other MP wish to make a contribution at this time? None other. Before we move on from condolences and congratulations, let me just add my remarks to a few that have been expressed already. I will start off on the lighter notes and the comments that …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITORS
The Speaker The Speaker Before we start I would just like to acknowledge, as we did last week, that the Gallery is full of Senators today. I believe the Opposition Senators are here. So we acknowledge their presence to-day. ORDERS OF THE DAY
The Speaker The Speaker Today is a follow -up from last week when we had the Budget [Statement] presented. Today we get the official Reply from the Opposition. And we will start with that. The Premier will lead us. Then, Opposition Leader, you will have your start. At that time the cameras will roll, …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. One second. (Do you need a minute? You are good? Okay.) Opposition Leader, it is all in hand. They are ready to go as soon as you are ready to start. Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. THE OPPOSITION’S REPLY TO THE BUDGET STATEMENT …
The Speaker The Speaker The Budget Statement that was presented last week, the Premier had a clean run. You will respect the same this time, please. Hon. Jarion Richardson: This Government likes to characterise criticism of its financial management as racism. They fail to address any of the substantive points of criticism and claim …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for the presentation. Bermuda House of Assembly Members, I am going to now call on the Deputy Premier. It is roughly quarter to one. We can go and come back at 2:15. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I do move that we adjourn for lunch until 2:15.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The House now stands adjourned for lunch until 2:15 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:43 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:18 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker Good afternoon, Members. I trust you all had a pleasant break. We are now about to resume for the rest of the day. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker The House is now in session. When we broke this morning for lunch, the Opposition Leader had presented his Budget Reply. And now it is open for response. Would any Member wish to speak at this time? Minister of Economy and Labour, you have the floor. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Let me adjust it. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker There you go. DEBATE ON THE BUDGET STATEMENT AND REPLY TO THE BUDGET Hon. Jason Hayward: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week the Minister of Finance, the Honourable David Burt, released a budget, a budget which sets out the fiscal position for the Government over the next 12 …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Aha! Ooh! Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance has estimated that Bermuda’s GDP in 2023 has increased by 4.0 [per cent] to 4.5 per cent. Mr. Speaker, we got our annual GDP numbers for 2022, and our economy grew by a whopping 6.4 per cent year over …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh-oh! Oh- oh! Hon. Jason Hayward: We have more Bermudians working in international business now than any other period in Bermuda’s entire history. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Can’t be! Point of order! Point of order! Point of order!
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No point of order there. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: There has got to be a point of order there somewhere! Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, our second largest sector in our economy is real estate activities. Their output surpassed $1 billion last year, and their output after adjusting …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh! Oh! Oh! Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, in the UAE [United Arab Emirates], they said they have the falcon economy. Well, I want to be clear that the falcon can come to Bermuda and lay its golden eggs. And we have already seen that work take place with the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. MP Simmons, I see you are on your feet. (Let me just adjust the clock.) Would you like to make your contribution at this time?
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons And I would like to begin by thanking the Honourable Member who just took his seat. I think that laying out the facts is important as we debate in this House. I think that laying out the facts is important for our people to hear because if you only get …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Now nothing has changed . . . No, no. I am sorry. Something has changed because now they say we steal and we travel too much. But, Mr. Speaker, what was interesting about what they said at that time was just who our Shadow Finance Minister was. And I am …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oppositions can be irresponsible.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Yes. Oppositions can be irresponsible. But when you aspire to be a Government -inwaiting, there is a higher responsibility.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons So, Mr. Speaker, they talk about increased homelessness. And what was their solution? Well, they did have one, and let me quote it for 424 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly you. They said they would “ implement comprehensive research of the housing needs of the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Say that again?
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons My words not theirs, they said they did not have space to talk about education in the Reply.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Well, they cut scholarships, so that makes sense.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons So, Mr. Speaker, the thinking behind cutting scholarships in the middle of an economy when you promised 2,000 jobs and did not deliver . . . but when you saw non- Bermudian jobs grow while Bermudian jobs dropped, what were you thinking? And how could you not apologise for that? …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Simmons. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Ben Smith, I see you are on your feet. Would you like to have the floor?
Mr. Ben Smith Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 30 minutes.
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker, it is interesting when you get to the Budget Debate that two different teams can look at the same numbers and come up with completely different outlooks of what is happening in the country. The truth is the real answer is a bit in the middle, because the …
Mr. Ben Smith The problem is that it is not the only thing that is happening. So during COVID -19, international business was able to continue to operate. They were able to quickly pivot to working from home. They were able to continue to figure out ways to grow. A lot of that …
Mr. Ben Smith And I literally said that. That means all Governments. I am not disagreeing. But we have to change the way we are doing things. That is the problem. We get here, and instead of paying attention to what those families are dealing with on an ongoing basis, they are not …
Mr. Christopher Famous Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, it is not often that I get to point -of-order the national swim coach of Bermuda. But today I am going to take that. Mr. Speaker, two of the candidates have spoken about status in the last month, explicitly about status. [Pause]
Mr. Ben Smith Today we are talking about the Budget Debate. And right now you have had multiple people get up and talk about it. Are we going to talk about what was in the press? Is that what we are doing, Honourable Premier?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh! Oh!
Mr. Ben Smith What I am referring to is overall immigration reform. So my friend MP Famous behind me sat on that Immigration Reform Committee with me for three years while we worked really hard to try to get some things to get across the line. What I am referring to is this: …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER 428 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [Misleading] Hon. Walter H. Roban: It is important to remind the public the Member is misleading the House, maybe not intentionally, that it is the Opposition that walked away from that process. When …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, they did.
The Speaker The Speaker He made his point.
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker, he made his point. But the difference was this: When you sit on a committee and you meet multiple times, every week for multiple years and we only get one piece of legislation over the line that cost that Minister so much turmoil that he had to cry …
Mr. Ben Smith So, Mr. Speaker — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is clearly exercised, but he is clearly misrepresenting the facts. Because when he speaks about one thing, there were multiple things that were done to advance, things that they could not achieve, where we kept our …
The Speaker The Speaker Point taken. Yes.
Mr. Ben Smith Continuing on, Mr. Speaker. So once again I will say they have been in power since 2017. So the record will show that all of the reform that the Honourable Premier is referring to, it is very little that got over the line when they had the opportunity to do …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House again! And if he is going to make that claim, he needs to state what portion of the reform did not go over the line. We all know the answer. It is …
The Speaker The Speaker Your point is raised. You can speak to the point, or you can continue on.
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker, I am going to continue on.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Ben Smith I do not need to have a back -and-forth with the Honourable Premier.
The Speaker The Speaker Okay.
Mr. Ben Smith The issue that we have, moving forward, Mr. Speaker, is that in hospitality most people in this House would have at some point in their life been involved with hospitality in some way with a job that they probably had when they were younger. We also know that a lot …
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker, in our Reply there was a specific comment that said that we had not had the opportunity to talk about education. And I do not want it to be left out, that we were not going to talk about educa-tion. And I am not going to take this …
Mr. Ben Smith But understand something. I was never, ever part of the UBP. So that comment is fine. You have Members over there, one of them who just spoke, who was part of the UBP. The issue that I am saying to you is . . . and this is the reason …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker . . . well, point of clarification if the Member would. If he could point to the data that actually specify that people are not having children because of schooling, I would really love to see those …
Mr. Ben Smith So I am going to say you can be anecdotal. I am going to tell you that the people in Bermuda who are sending their kids to school will tell you that that was a factor in the decision- making they had. If they had one child and they are …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I think the Honourable Member may be unintentionally misleading the House, right? To say that there are many more people, children, leaving this country, and he mentioned one age, 13, to go away and get an education, …
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker, if the Honourable Member had listened to what I said, I said I think it is some-thing that we should look at the details on. I did not say I have the exact figures. What I am saying is — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of …
The Speaker The Speaker Well, he never said that. He was asking that it be something that we look into. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: But he did say, Mr. Speaker, there are a lot more children . . . there are a lot more children leaving, because I said to him that …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Ben Smith So, Mr. Speaker, to go to the proof, if you go back and look at the data that would have told you the changes in education, I am pretty sure that it did not used to be 50/50 private to public. A shift has happened. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Ben Smith I got it. A shift has happened. So the shift would have been an increase to private, which would mean that the group that is going overseas has also increased. That is all I am asking. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: I do believe the Honourable Member is misleading the House. And I can quote from data that I will send to that Honourable Member again, because I already have. The numbers that are within …
Mr. Ben Smith So, Mr. Speaker, if you look at it, if the public system is going down with their numbers and the private sector is staying the same with their numbers, potentially that is because some of the students are going overseas. And then some of the students who were in public …
Mr. Ben Smith It is the only question . . . it is a question.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order, point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Again the Member is misleading the public. If he is going to make statements like that, he needs to be able to produce the proof. I get his point that he can say, This is …
Mr. Ben Smith Mr. Speaker, with the last couple of minutes that I have left, I just want to touch on the housing crisis because that is something that is significantly important to our population. But I think that is a question here when it comes to what is causing thi s. Because …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Smith. Minister Wilson, I see you jumped up quickly. Would you like your 30 minutes? Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 30 minutes. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak a little bit about the correlation between universal health care and the economic growth in the economy in Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, you will recall that we have spoken about the …
The Speaker The Speaker Good age bracket. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: Not yet. Okay.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. Hon. Kim N. Wilson: But there will be. So we have to recognise that our changing demographic also impacts how much we are spending on health care. And the reality is that when we are able to introduce UHC, we will be able to get benefits of scale …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? MP Swan, you are on your feet. Would you like your 30 minutes?
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have your 30 minutes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker. Good evening, Mr. Speaker. I just want to take this opportunity to thank the Premier and Finance Minister for doing what has not been done in decades. And I would have thought that the delivery of a balanced budget would have been heralded in much the same …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I was there. And so when you have that type of narrative and mind- set that exists in the culture of Bermuda, it becomes very difficult. And you know, when you set about to change the narrative about how a government governs, just like the reality of the potholes . …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Love him or hate him. Right? Sir Henry Tucker leveraged international relationships overseas! It is no different than the Minister of Labour would have to do, or the Premier would have to do, or the Minister responsible for Tourism may have to do, to go overseas to be able to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You said it is our . . . it is our collective job! Let me tell you something. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Let me tell you something. When I sat on the Opposition benches, I tried to do things for the betterment of this country. And I am telling you what. I have seen some of what I tried 15 years ago bear fruit just in the last two weeks under this …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Ooh.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You know, Mr. Speaker, we have in this country the Southampton Princess on the cusp of generating some great economic activity in this country. And that certainly is something that I believe we should all be working to catapult off of. It is important for us to get Bermuda with …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You know, I make no excuse or apologies for being passionate. Because you Bermuda House of Assembly know what, Mr. Speaker? Passion is all some people ever had in life. Belief, knowledge. Persons who toiled hard and knew that it would take incremental consistency to quell a systemic system that …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Okay? You know, the mind -set that existed . . . I will never forget Dame Lois Browne -Evans saying, You know, I helped that widow get more for her money. She went down there. Those fellows were coming to take all of it for cheap. But I said to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You know, you’re one of my favourites, you know. You come see me over my house when you got problems. I don’t know why you’re over there with those boys. I like you and Cole and Barritt. And I said, what about —Oh, and of course Maxwell . But you …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, I will wait until your hip gets better. I have got four minutes and 14 seconds. I am waiting for your hip to get better. We will have a little hook.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member It wasn’t my hip it was my knees —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, that is even worse because you cannot put pressure on it. The hip you can just stay there and use the shoulders. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan No, no, no. Because I have only got four more minutes. No, I do not want to take advantage of an ailing man. But I just want to wrap up this way. I just want to wrap up this way, Mr. Speaker. When you talk about the budget of this …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. Does any other Member — MP Jackson, would you like your 30 minutes?
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You have it. Yes.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I would like to begin by thanking the international business. They have been an amazing support in our community. I appreciate the fact that they have shown and demonstrated their commitment to the Island. And the financial and the skill set and the talent that they have contributed as well. …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Before I get there, I just want to speak a little bit about our national debt and the fact that we are saying that we are going to be able to balance this budget. There are a number of people out there with their eyes wide open, and they are …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson I am playing the race card.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Ooh! Ooh!
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And I am going to play the gender card! Because you know what, Mr. Speaker? Those laws that were created in the past were not designed to help me. And they are still sitting here in the same place, and we have got a Labour Government, and they have not …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson What for? We should be basic maintenance. A service to the people. We are public servants. And what I am really afraid of, Mr. Speaker, is that if we do not get a hold of this soon and enable our people in Bermuda to make their own way through reviewed …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson You know, the PLP Government wants to spend more money on . . . more money to build more affordable housing and there is nothing 442 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly affordable in Bermuda, so either the Government will never get their return on investment, …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Fix the laws! Get the piece of legislation, review it, amend it — [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. Talk to the Chair. Don’t get sidetracked. Talk to the Chair. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Talk to the Chair. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Don’t get sidetracked.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mr. Speaker, —
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —we have a few really good initiatives. I certainly know that the ears of my recently married young people were perked hearing about the mortgage and . . . I have forgotten the full title of it. But the mortgage guarantee programme. And upfront it looks great. And it is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member [It is] $16.40.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Not if you are part time. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Not if you are part time. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And then, Mr. Speaker, to add to that, if I go on vacation or I have a sick day, I am not getting that minimum wage anymore. [Inaudible interjections]
Ms. Susan E. Jackson It’s real. And it will continue. And it is not for any particular reason other than the fact that everything is so expensive that everybody is desperate, desperate, to hold on to what few pennies are circulating throughout this Island. So when people ask me, Well, what are you going …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Yes, I am basically just restating what has been said many times before. But if we can take care of our country, all we have to do is look inward for just a little bit. Not only will we maybe attract tourists here because we do have a precious, precious …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson And these guys think its funny! They think it is funny! And do you know what, Mr. Speaker? International business is only here for that too. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You know, we have got the regulatory environment and the great geography and all that good stuff, but they are …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson —when all they need to do is get back to basics. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Jackson. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Jackson. Would any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Campbell. MP Campbell, you have your 30 minutes. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if I start at the top of our Budget Statement, on page 2, we talk about where we have presented a balanced budget and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Yes. Hon. Vance Campbell: And you are listening. Why are we able to do this, Mr. Speaker?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because you are the Government. [Laughter] Hon. Vance Campbell: We able to do these things while presenting a balanced budget because of the fiscal prudence, sound debt management of the Bermuda Progressive Labour Party. I know you do not like that, but that is what it is. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Vance Campbell: May 8, 2023, Mr. Speaker, Standard and Poor’s [S&P] reaffirmed Bermuda’s A+ long-term sovereign credit and senior unsecured debt ratings, as well as its A -1 short -term rating and its AA+ transfer and convertibility assessment as “stable.” And with your in dulgence, Mr. Speaker, I …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. Vance Campbell: They “solidified the S&P assessment as they affirmed Bermuda’s long- term rating at A+ with a stable outlook, while the short -term rating was affirmed at K1+.” I would imagine that is equivalent to an A as well. And again, with your indulgence, Mr. Speaker, I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Vance Campbell: When you contrast this assessment by these independent experts, with that of the assessment of the One Bermuda Alliance, I ask the people of Bermuda, which assessments will you trust, the experts or the amateurs of the One Bermuda Alli-ance? [Laughter and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Vance Campbell: —without rolling back any of the positive things that we have put in place for the benefit of our people. [Mr. Christopher Famous, Acting Speaker, in the Chair] Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. [Acting Speaker] . . . I am giving you an advance promotion when I …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Minister, speak to the Chair. Hon. Vance Campbell: Yes, Mr. [Acting Speaker]. I am speaking to you; I am just looking at them. [Laughter] Hon. Vance Campbell: I am speaking to you but just looking at them. With your indulgence, Mr. [Acting Speaker], I would like to talk a little …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker One minute. I have not given you a chance to speak.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, I will wait, sir.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Yes. You can go ahead now.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you. The references — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, he has a firm grip. POINT OF ORDER
Mr. Scott Pearman The references to Cayman and to the BVI and to the Bahamas and to Turks and Caicos in the Reply were references to their increased tourist numbers and how they were eating our lunch in the tourist sector. So perhaps that is where the Minister might want t o stay.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Not a point of order, Mr. [Acting] Speaker.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Minister, you may resume. Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. [Acting Speaker], if I accept that, I cannot deny and I cannot omit the portion that I just read. It ties in. It ties in. Mr. [Acting Speaker], I will finish where I began to speak a little earlier. We have delivered …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. The Chair recognises MP, Deputy Speaker, Derrick Burgess. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Thank you, Mr. [Acting] Speaker. Thank you very much, Mr. [Acting] Speaker. First, I would like to commend the Leader, the Premier and the Finance Minister David Burt for the balanced budget, the first …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I remember that. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: So . . . what was it Dunkley, six or seven? But it was, you know, they froze those wages and they wanted to furlough, and they did all of that. The workers had to demonstrate in order not to get the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: It is proven that we can do that. I do not know why every time something comes up, we have to prove ourselves. And we have to stop looking at people of colour because if they look successful, they are looked upon with suspicion. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member There is a long way to go. Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: There is a long way to go because you will see that the history of some of these guys comes out when they want it to. It shows its ugly head. But I would say the majority of …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Speaker. The Chair now acknowledges Minister Tinee Furbert. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Acting Chairman.
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Acting Speaker will do. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Acting Speaker. [Laughter] Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker, for helping me out there. I want to take this time, Mr. Acting Speaker, to share my comments in regard to the Budget. Is my microphone on? [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Tinee Furbert: …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Tinee Furbert. The Chair now recognises the Honourable Michael Dunkley from Devonshire. [Inaudible interjection]
The Acting Speaker The Speaker You have the floor, MP Dunkley from Devonshire. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Mr. Acting Speaker. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, I am from Devonshire; I represent the great people of Smith’s North and the people of Bermuda. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I do. [Inaudible …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Another Honourable Member : That’s true. True. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is true. Yes.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And it makes it very difficult, Mr. Acting Speaker, especially when some of those people find themselves in an uncomfortable or precarious position. And I think that is some of what we are facing here today. And so, I am not going to get here …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker Well, I . . . Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We well know your nickname and your love for the Caribbean. But I just came back from there—
The Acting Speaker The Speaker So I have heard, so I’ve heard. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —and I enjoyed my time down there. The islands are beautiful. But when I was picked up at the airport by a taxi and drove home at eleven o’clock at night, it did not take me long to get …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hello! Hello! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But that means, Mr. Acting Speaker, we are the most beautiful place in the world and that is why we are so fervent in the way we try to solve our problems. Whether we sit on the Government side or the Opposition benches. We …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Yes. Another Hon. Member: They could eat our lunch. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: They could eat our lunch. It could be the UK. It could be the US. It could be those in the Caribbean. They will learn from us, they will be our friends and they will take …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: So we can debate things up here but you will never, ever hear any stories of Michael Dunkley not supporting Bermuda every opportunity I get. Because while I have differences in politics, my colleagues are the same. We will fight for Bermuda. I do not …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is not the right thing to do. Because all they want to do is learn from us and get 452 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly titbits that you might drop. That doesn’t help us. We need to learn from …
The Acting Speaker The Speaker I’m sorry. I couldn’t quite hear you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You heard that. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Repeat it please. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: You heard that. You heard that. [Laughter]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mike, I didn’t hear it. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And the Hansard will show that, Mr. Acting Speaker. [Inaudible interjections]
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I didn’t hear, Michael. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That there will be a small surplus in the next financial year —
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh! That’s what you said! Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —because that is important. [Desk thumping] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: That is critically important. And all of my colleagues recognise that.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan They did not say it like you did. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, you know, Honourable Member Swan— Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Mike is more polished. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, I am not more polished. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am a little bit older and I …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Because they can have a longer season than us.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And that is why I asked the Honourable Member for Tourism if we are making sure we understand the taxes they pay because I think Bermuda can earn a premium in taxes here. Because we are a premium jurisdiction. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members That’s right. That’s right. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Secondly, land tax is $5 million over. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Land tax is over $5 million than what we expected. Companies, international taxes were over $10 million more than were budgeted for and payroll tax was $36 million more …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That was addressed this morning. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Now, I understand the call from the Honourable Member who sits on this side, but he is on the other team, that this was addressed this morning.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I do not care if it was addressed or not. When a Bermudian, a Black Bermudian is frustrated about the way he goes and he gets on national TV to have a press conference, there is something inside that we need to pay attention to.
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Mm-hmm. Yes. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: If we really care, and I would hope that 20 people on the Government benches reached out to him and talked to him. Because that would be a good thing to do. You cannot tell me we do not have problems when the Honourable …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Distant? [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: —rose up twice in this House to talk about a young lady and her business 454 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly challenges. And she is talking about moving to another jurisdiction. Now, we could all say, Well, you know, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Because you know why you are here. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I did not say I was going to be here. I said I would be on the Island.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You will be here. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But Mr. Speaker, there are things that I have never seen in Bermuda before. And the Honourable Minister Colonel Burch has given explanations on why the roads are as they are. Yes, we have had torrential rain, it has continued …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Now you are going off track. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: But it is the little things that matter. Look at the park system in Bermuda. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Look at the park system in Bermuda, Mr. Speaker. The number of people who complain about the unkempt nature …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member The star? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The star. We were the most mentioned thing in the budget. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Oh yes. The most mentioned thing in the budget.
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members No! [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It was mentioned on page 1, page 10, page 11, page 14, page 25, page 27, page 31— it goes on and on and on and on and on. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And I do not have enough time, Mr. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Of what? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: My oh my oh my. How he has forgotten or how he just believes other people will forget. But I remember very clearly. He called for privatisation. I do not have enough time to go back and reflect on everything the PLP said about …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: We are the Opposition. And the Minister of Labour and Economy said that the 30 do not worry about the 6. The 30 would be wise to worry about the people of Bermuda because we have challenging situations facing us. It is a fact. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Give it time. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The committee has not been formed yet. What has happened with cyberattack? And the last thing that I will say, Mr. Speaker, is what is happening with the $800,000 for Savvy? Where is the man and where is the money? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member . . . Minister Burch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker You are rising. I gather you want your 30 minutes. I will put the clock —
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Not really. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I will not need the whole 30.
The Speaker The Speaker The clock is set for it. How is that?
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I am going to say a few things about some of the things in the budget that have been mentioned already. And I will start with roadworks and potholes, Mr. Speaker. And I am not going to re-peat what I said in the Statement this morning. But I am going …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They are making people drive slower. Another Hon. Member: Mm-hmm.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, they are not.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, they are.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch No, they are not! Not on the 7: 30 route into Hamilton in Southampton, Warwick and Paget. At least not bike riders. And certainly, Mr. Speaker, if you travel this same route every day, you should know where every pothole is.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No, because there are new ones formed when it rains.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, I am not even going to go there. The fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, is that the reality of the situation that the country is facing in relation to potholes has been put into the public domain over and over and over again. We do not …
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch [In] 2016 the decision was made to convert the Grand Atlantic into a hotel. An Hon. Members: Oh no! No! No!
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Oh, yes. [Inaudible interjections]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch An RFP [Request for Proposal] was put out on May 2, 2016, Mr. Speaker, setting out all the criteria for what would happen to what is happening now. The Minister is the . . . was the Shadow . . . was the Opposition Whip at the time, Mr. Speaker. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Any other Member? MP Adams, I see you on your feet. Would you like your 30 minutes?
Mr. Jache Adams If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, these past few weeks have certainly been difficult for me, to say the least. So I am probably not as prepared as I normally am, probably not as prepared as I would like to be, but still I press on.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, I have particular family members who order steak whenever we go out to dinner. And they always ask for it to be prepared well done. In fact, one would even go as far as to ask for it to be a bit burnt. And the reason they do …
Mr. Jache Adams I have come to accept the reality that there are some naysayers amongst us on this Is-land that are so resolute on how they feel about a specific individual, they are so fixated on what they think about the Progressive Labour Party that not even the facts will sway them. …
Mr. Jache Adams A Government that is not afraid to make the difficult and at times unpopular decisions. I am proud to be a part of a Government that stayed disciplined through these unprecedented times and have now positioned ourselves to finally say to the people of this country that the days of …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, this balanced budget is about first acknowledging that we were on an unsustainable path. It is about our commitment to reversing that trend and charting a new course. It is about preparing a foundation for a prosperous Bermuda for generations to come. Mr. Speaker, the Opposition then want …
Mr. Jache Adams Ah, here we go.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Take your time.
Mr. Jache Adams Last Saturday I spoke with my dad. He commented that he saw a picture of me in the paper. I said to him, I look good, don’t I? He said, Of course; you look like me! [Laughter]
Mr. Jache Adams I reminded him that I would speak in this Parliament Friday, which is today. And he smiled and he specifically asked for me to bring him a radio so he could listen. He would never do that. He asked me to bring him a radio so he could listen. You …
The Speaker The Speaker Well done, young man. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Pearman, would you like your 30 minutes?
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I was not in the Chamber during the obituary period today, and I would just like to offer my condolences to the Member who just took his seat for the loss of his father. I lost my mother last year, and it is never easy no matter what …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Nobody said that —
Mr. Scott Pearman And I hear some chirping. But, you know, I know there are some accountants in the room. Secondly, not only is it not a balanced budget, it is not the first promised balanced budget in 20 years because in 2019 this Government stood up in this Chamber and promised a …
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am not going to fault that Government in that year for not achieving a balanced budget. But looking at the Hansard it is quite clear. In fact, I stood up and I said the same thing then, that a balanced budget is just a promise to try to …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: What I do not want the Honourable Member on that side to do is to mislead the House because the Budget Statement did not say that this was the first projected budget in 20 years . We had spoken …
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Oh-oh! Oh- oh!
Mr. Scott Pearman I find it ironic, Mr. Speaker, that the Honourable Premier accuses me of misleading the House and then agrees with exactly what I have said, which is that it is not a balanced budget until 12 to 14 months afterwards when you look back and you see if the targets …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading and imputing improper motive] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is continuing to mislead the House. And he knows that he is now imputing improper motive. The facts are very simple. On the issue of a balanced budget being achieved it will …
Mr. Scott Pearman So, an additional reason, Mr. Speaker, in addition to the two I have just mentioned as to why this is not a balanced budget, is that a balanced budget is a balancing of revenue and expenditure without recourse to borrowing. If you do not trust me, look it up. We …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House in using a reference in regard to excess borrowing from HSBC that he knows does not apply in this case. The Government Loans Act is very clear and specific in regard to …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, there was a Texas politician, Ann Richards . She was Governor of Texas. One of her most famous quotes was , You can put lipstick on a pig, and you can call it Priscilla, but it is still a pig. Excess borrowing is still borrowing. Using borrowed money …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House again because he would know that when it comes to expenditure, all expenditure is reported inside of the particular budget book. When we are talking about a transfer between funds, what he …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Priscilla is not going to help us solve our problems. Spin is dangerous. We would be far better off be-ing honest about what the problem is, seeing if we can agree what the problem is, and then seeing if we can find solutions that we all …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He cannot state no local job growth when the facts which are stated in the National Economic Report that was presented and given shows that there was not only growth in international …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am obviously reading a direct quote. And if the Honourable Premier wishes to disagree with the content of the [Reply] that I was reading he is welcome to say so in his closing remarks. Mr. Speaker, that is Bermuda’s new normal. That is the problem …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman —the Opposition Leader said this: “And we will achieve this by listening to our people. En-gaging with our people. Working together to deliver the solutions we need. Our island is too small not to take advantage of every single person’s skill, knowledge, and experience. We need a government with focus …
Mr. Scott Pearman And I now hear the chirping has begun. I thought the third quote might inspire a little bit of a come- back here. So, we have listened today to the [Reply], and the Minister of Economy and Labour who led off . . . and I actually missed some of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Pearman. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is interesting because the Honourable Member who just took his seat has not been here that long. And he, I guess, spoke about a …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Right. Another Hon. Member: Sit down. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I will sit down.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Good. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And I will sit down. I certainly will not regurgitate, even though it is worth saying, quite Bermuda House of Assembly frankly, all 30 of us on this side could beat the drum because we have had so many accomplishments, so many things …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Burnt steak. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes, burnt steak. It is unbelievable that Honourable Members on the other side could get up and say that this budget is dishonest and a bunch of spin. That is just incredible. And then to talk about our people had been denied. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh boy. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: How could you? Right? That’s not a swear word. It’s in the dictionary.
The Speaker The Speaker Just be mindful of your tone and language. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay, Mr. Speaker, got you.
The Speaker The Speaker We have had a nice level thus far. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay. How could someone make such a . . . foolish, silly statement? What does the international business do? They do insurance. They do reinsurance. They do finance. Do they do it here in Bermuda? No, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member More than that. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Say that again, Minister. I didn’t hear you. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Just over two million. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Just over two million. We increased day care didn’t we? We increased paternity for men. The …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Aecon filled their pockets and we ain’t heard a peep! Not a dicky bird. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Nothing! Not a peep. But that is okay. And I like how they say, For the benefit of everyone in Bermuda. …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Let’s talk about those dollars on trees. Money don’t grow on trees . That is how they are going to look after us. They told us that in 2012, along with the 2,000 jobs they promised. But of course, we have increased employment …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The national debt by balancing the budget . . . is that what they are going to do? That was 1975. There was a national debt — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Yes—
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —and they paid it down. Started paying it down. Same thing we are trying to do, but it is okay for — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Got it, yes. But that is right. 1975, with your leave, Mr. Speaker, I will read this —
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: “In 1975 Sir David was appointed Minister of Finance . . . [Sir David] (proceeded to) produce balanced budgets until he retired and sim-ultaneously paid off some of our national debt.”
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan So, we had a debt — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: We had a debt. He paid off some of it, Sir John said. That was a quote from Sir John.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The same Sir John that is criticising us for balancing the budget. Give me a break! 470 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The same chap. Yes, indeed.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Same chap. So, when you add up these things, Mr. Speaker, it . . . when I look at the litany of accomplishments that we . . . and the Opposition says we are blowing our horn and all that, right? Yes, we …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Because a lot of what they say is what . . . what they pointed to us today is spin. But you can’t argue with facts! You cannot argue with facts. Now, Mr. Speaker, that word again, where I started, I have to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Again? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —since six years . . . what is six years from 2024? That is around 2018, I think. Around 2018. When did we come to power? In 2017. So here you have the general manager of Washington Properties saying that he expects to …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes, we do. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Okay? And here we have, right, here we have the chief executive officer Frank Amaral (who is now at Burrows Lightbourn, right?) say-ing that he is doubling the floorspace of Discovery Wines [on the] corner of Reid Street . . . …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: —the building up there, the liquor store, they are totally renovating that.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Expansion. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: So here we are talking about oh retail sales are bad and this and that, but you have these two folks —some of the wealthiest people in the country —who are bullish on Bermuda quietly going about expanding —expanding—their floor space, expanding their …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A nice deal they got. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: A beautiful deal. And of course we are still paying those bills every month, ain’t we? Electricity — Hon. E. David Burt: Yes.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And they got paid during the pandemic. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: And don’t worry about . . . oh yes, $50 million, I believe.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And on time by this Government , I might add. 3 Royal Gazette 2 January 2024 Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: That is right. So, Mr. Speaker, the other thing I wanted to touch on too because they mentioned in their Reply and they talked …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP DeSilva. Does any other Member . . . but before the next Member, as per Standing Orders, once we are in a debate that goes longer than seven hours, the clock gets reduced to 20 minutes. So let me just reduce the clock. MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you for my 20 minutes. [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh boy. First let me just say that I was not able to, unfortunately for an emergency, listen to the debates today. But the Member who just sat gave me an overview — [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —of what he felt took place prior. I think today, with the shakeup that I just had, it is . . . you know, Bermuda is a beautiful place. We have got problems and we have got to find a way to work through these problems. We definitely do. This …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The question then really is, as we talk about this, we know that more can be done. We have heard the Government say they know that more can be done. I am more of the mind that it is not necessarily that it is more that can be done . …
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I hate to interrupt my good friend, the former Premier, I just want to state that what he has just stated is not factually correct. The largest sector of growth last year was clearly in the local economy in the …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker . If you take a look . . . and that is a question that I do have. On page 4 of the Premier’s Budget, I think it is the third paragraph. Yes, it is the third paragraph. He says, if you will allow me — …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier “Mr Speaker, the latest annual GDP estimates for 2022 showed that the value added for the accommodation and food service sector ,” (which is what I assume you are talking about) “ grew by 40. 5%, surpassing pre- pandemic levels . . .”. So when I go to take a …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier We have not seen the figures for 2023. We have not seen the figures for 2023. What we have in front of us and [what] the Premier is saying here . . . So, if you have those figures, why don’t we have them, then? I certainly don’t have them, …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Page 4, third paragraph. Hon. E. David Burt: Yes, go on.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Food service sector grew by 40.5 per cent, surpassing pre- pandemic levels of 2019. If you take a look at the chart . . . if you take a look at the chart, that is not the case. The numbers are not there. It does not surpass 2019. I hear …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier We still have some serious infrastructure challenges, and I am hoping that there is a rethink because now that we have put a lot in place I don’t really see a whole bunch of new initiatives in this Budget Book. I have seen things that last year . . . …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I think we are. Oh, I don’t know about all of that. But I think we are making some headway there. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier While I’m standing up here I don’t recall saying that. [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But what I will say is this. Over on page 29, over on page 29 when I talked about the Premier, and he can spin some stuff here. He came close to getting me angry, like How dare you try and call out Members over here. There’s enough mud to …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, we need to be careful. He knows what I am talking about. [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would hate to interrupt the Honourable Member again —
The Speaker The Speaker He’s only got a minute left. POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: I understand. But I just want to make—
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier What? Hon. E. David Burt: —a point of order that the Honourable Member did in fact refer to the Fairmont SDO as criminal. That was you, Honourable Member . Just so we are clear. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, Yes! That is correct. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier That is correct. And I will back that up any day. Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Mr. Speaker, I can table it if you want. I got it right here.
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no. [Laughter] Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I got the clipping right here. I will show it to you. [Laughter]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier I will back that up any day. They refuse to give figures — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier But anyhow, let me carry on here.
The Speaker The Speaker You have got less than a minute. You have less than a minute.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Mr. Speaker, if I go through here . . . listen, the Government is certainly travelling all over. Dubai is a hot spot right now. So what I would say is this here. I think the National —
The Speaker The Speaker Ten seconds. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. L. Craig Cannonier: —Security and Tourism needs to be there. It is a shame that tourism doesn’t have more money. They need to give way more money — [Timer chim es]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier —to inspire and get people coming to Bermuda. I got, what’s that? Five seconds?
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you for your contribution. Minister of Education, are you . . . Premier? You are not going now? Minister of Education. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Speaker, elections have consequences. In 2017, the voters of this country demonstrated that they were done with the experiment that was the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh, yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —that led to some of the very things they are complaining about. And then the last one I read in their document, The current Government has no idea how to turn Bermuda ’s finances around . Despite all the evidence to the contrary, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s right. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Or Minister of Travel, because in the Reply, judging by the seeming obsession of the Opposition Shadow Finance Minister with the Minister of Travel , who he tweets about almost every single day . . . I am surprised that wasn’t mentioned in …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Honourable Minister. MP Richardson—
Mr. Anthony Richardson Good evening, Mr. Speaker , to my fellow MPs in the room and also the listening audience. I am mindful, Mr. Speaker, that the hour is late—
Mr. Anthony Richardson —and I am going to do my best. I will say this also, Mr. Speaker, that when I left home this morning I planned to speak. While I was here, I planned not to speak, but then, based on some comments, I planned to speak. So I am thankful for …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Earlier on, we heard some comments in terms of yes it is, no it is not ; yes it is, no it is not . Mr. Speaker, the PLP Government has presented a balanced budget for the upcoming fiscal year. Some, Mr. Speaker, will say that there are some things …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Correct.
Mr. Anthony Richardson And so now what has happened this year, and I will emphasise to everyone in the Chamber and the listening public that what the PLP Government has done is agreed or decided to take $30 million to contribute towards health care to ensure that health care costs do not go …
Mr. Anthony Richardson In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, the $10 million has been — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Point of, point or order, Mr. Speaker . I just need to ask —
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order? Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: Well, point of clarification, if you will.
The Speaker The Speaker Do you wish to take a point of clarification?
Mr. Anthony Richardson I am trying to be respectful, but go fast, because you are cutting me off. POINT OF CLARIFICATION Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: The Member did not declare that he is a CPA by trade and fully qualified to speak on financial matters. I think he might have a …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Speaker, I will smile at that. I am not going there, but — Hon. Zane J. S. De Silva: I just wanted to say that you are qualified.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes, we will say for the record, Mr. Speaker, if I have to declare an interest, I am a professional accountant for about 30- odd years. So, yes, that is fine. But anyway, in any event, my point is this: let us not get distracted. The fact of the matter …
Mr. Anthony Richardson There is a person who is telling about using borrowed money. I am going to try to ignore that, Mr. Speaker, because that is not relevant in the context of the balanced budget because— [Laughter]
Mr. Anthony Richardson —the amounts are going to be used for capital purposes. Mr. Speaker, what I also want to do is make a comment in the sense that when we come and we listen to the replies, I try my best to remain engaged (which I have done today, I believe) and …
The Speaker The Speaker Can I hold you to that? Hon. Walter H. Roban: Yes, Mr. Speaker . As you know, it is a typical cliché that is used by many in this Chamber. But thank you for the opportunity to speak on this particularly interesting debate. I must say, as has been pretty …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister . MP Famous, I see you jumped that time. Are you trying to get your 20 minutes on the clock?
Mr. Christopher Famous I won’t even need that, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker There you go. You have yours.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, with your leave, I will attempt, I will attempt to tie in congrats, ob-its, my statement and motion to adjourn all at the same time. With your leave, Mr. Speaker .
The Speaker The Speaker We will see how much latitude you need as you go along.
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, I had to leave earlier so I missed the congrats and obits. So I would like to speak about a lady who raised my entire family. She was one of the (How can I say?) grassroots workers of the PLP and the BIU and, equally as important, she …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You can’t say that.
Mr. Christopher Famous Sorry, sorry. I can’t hear you.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You can’t say that. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, okay —
The Speaker The Speaker All those invasive species can get cut down.
Mr. Christopher Famous So, here is the thing, Mr. Speaker, every hotel project means more construction workers. That means more payroll tax. More retail activity, according to MP Craig Cannonier. But then people object to save these Mexican pepper trees or casuarina trees. That means no work! More importantly, in the long- term …
Mr. Christopher Famous Right? We are moving from deficit to surplus. Yes, there are bumps along the road. Some self -inflicted, some inflicted by previous administrations. Some inflicted by the weather. But we are moving from deficit to surplus. Mr. Speaker, I am about to wind up. None of us will be in …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm.
Mr. Christopher Famous —to be for the PLP, Mr. Speaker . Not one of us, whether from Somerset to St. George’s . We talk about ladies like Pinky Rogers up in Somerset. Mr. . . . I want to say Mr. Chase up in Somerset.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Mm-hmm.
Mr. Christopher Famous The Raynor family in Southampton. So many families. I knew about my family before I knew about them. So what I know, Mr. Speaker, is that this lady was one of those that stood by Dame Lois Browne- Evans when the chips were down. She was her sister, not just …
Mr. Christopher Famous Some want burnt steak — [Laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous But my point, Mr. Speaker, not one of us could be in this House ever unless we had a backup. None of us. So, Mr. Speaker, I am going to close here. This lady embodied what the PLP is about: sacrifice, moving the country from deficit to surplus, moving the …
Mr. Christopher Famous Special mother to MP Neville Tyrell. And this lady I call my grandmother, Milli-cent (Famous) Brown. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . [Desk thumping]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Famous. Mr. Premier. I believe the floor is yours now. Hon. E. David Burt: I think so . . . a little bit later than I expected, but that is okay, Mr. Speaker, because it is Parliament so persons have the right to contribute and there have …
The Speaker The Speaker One second. Before you start, MP Famous, could you come here a minute, please? Thank you. [Mr. Christopher Famous, Acting Speaker, in the Chair] Hon. E. David Burt: What I would say, Mr. [Acting] Speaker, is that the general economic debate starts with the Reply to the Throne Speech, and …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Oh! Hon. E. David Burt: In a speech, which I must say was far longer than the Reply to the Throne Speech which I think was as short as any of us ever remember — [Laughter] Hon. E. David Burt: —they presented just one new policy proposal inside of all …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Tell us. Hon. E. David Burt: It happened when the Honourable Shadow Minister of Public Works was the Premier of this country. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: So here’s the thing. Just so we are clear. Remember the criticism before the financial crisis, They are investing too much in …
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Point of order, Mr. Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier The Honourable Member is misleading the House. I did mention it, and I said it was a good initiative. Hon. E. David Burt: You heard me very clearly. So, in this document, there is not a single mention of that fact. And we understand why there was not a single …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: That is really what it is. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: That is really what it is. What other reason would there be for an exclusion of that major announcement from the Reply? Cannot say they support. Cannot say they oppose. But here is …
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier, before you take your seat there is an exercise I will call on you to partake. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now resolve into the Committee of Supply to consider the Es-timates of Revenue and …
The Speaker The Speaker I will call on MP Famous to take the Chair [of Committee]. House in Committee at 10:05 pm [Mr. Christopher Famous, Chairman] COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY ESTIMATES OF REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FOR THE YEAR 2024/25
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of Supply for further consideration of the Estimates and Revenue Expenditure for the year 2024/25. Heads will now be debated. [Inaudible interjection] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair-man. Mr. Chairman, I move Head 21 Ministr y of Health Headquarters, …
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? No. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee rise and report progress and ask for leave to sit again on Monday, 26 February 2024.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections? None. [Motion carried: The Committee of Supply agreed to rise and report progress, and sought leave to sit again.]
The Chairman Chairman I call on the Speaker to come out and take the Chair. House resumed at 10:07 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Famous. Members, are there any objections to the [Committee] rising and reporting progress until the next sitting? There are none. Mr. Premier, before we move on to your next phase, I am going to ask the indulgence of the House for the tabling of a Bill. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Continue. [Motion carried: Standing Order 14 suspended.] BILL FIRST READING CIVIL AVIATION (AIR TRANSPORT LICENSING) AMENDMENT BILL 2024 Hon. Vance Campbell: Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Mr. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this point in time, I do move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Monday, 26 February 2024.
The Speaker The Speaker And I believe there is no one else who is going to rise on that, so I will rise. Hon. E. David Burt: I am okay with that, Mr. Speaker. CONCERN OVER UNJUST WARS
The Speaker The Speaker You think you’re okay with that? Members, I would just like to thank you for your participation today in the start of this year’s annual debate. And I trust that we will have some very meaningful discussions through the next three weeks on our debates. I am going to close …
The Speaker The Speaker The House now stands adjourned. [At 10:10 pm the House stood adjourned until 10:00 am, Monday, 26 February 2024.] 488 23 February 2024 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly [This page intentionally left blank.]
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