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House of Assembly Session 2023/2024 622 speeches

December 15, 2023

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The Premier announced positive financial news - the 2022/23 budget deficit was $23 million lower than expected at $46.9 million, and government collected $15.7 million in back taxes (double the target). For the first time in almost 20 years, Bermuda is paying down $50 million of its debt. The Deputy Premier reported on leading other British Overseas Territories at the UN climate summit, securing a potential UK climate fund. The Works Minister apologized for the terrible road conditions, explaining that the main asphalt plant has been broken most of the year.

Chamber House of Assembly
Date Dec 15, 2023
Session 2023/2024
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Speakers 31
Speeches 622

Key Topics

Government's financial update showing reduced budget deficit and first debt repayment in 20 yearsBermuda's participation in COP28 climate change conference in DubaiMajor road repair delays due to broken equipment and supply chain issuesCARICOM's new gender equality strategy development

Bills & Motions

Pre-Budget Report for 2024/25 tabled for public consultation
Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023 - Private Bills Committee report presented
Various government reports tabled including Fiscal Responsibility Panel assessment and airport authority annual report

Notable Moments

Premier celebrated debt reduction as a major milestone after nearly two decades of increasing debt
Works Minister issued a public apology for road conditions and acknowledged "few of the plans to address this situation have been successful"
Deputy Premier secured commitment from UK for potential climate funding specifically for overseas territories

Debate Transcript

622 speeches from 31 speakers
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning, Members . The Acting Clerk will lead us in prayer . PRAYERS [ Prayers read by Mr. Clark Somner , Acting Clerk ]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Acting Clerk. Good morning, Members. The House is now in session. [ Gavel] CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES [Minutes of 8 December 202 3]
The Speaker The Speaker Minutes of the 8th of December have been circulated. Are there any amendments required? None. The Minutes will be confirmed as printed. [ Minutes of 8 December 202 3 confirmed] MESSAGES FROM THE GOVERNOR
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE SPEAKER OR MEMBER PRESIDING APOLOGY
The Speaker The Speaker The announcement this morning is that we have been informed that Honourable Member De Silva will not be present today. MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PAPERS AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO THE HOUSE The Speaker: We have four papers this morning. The first is in the name of the Premier and Minister of Fi-nance. Premier. PR E-BUDGET REPORT IN ADVANCE OF FISCAL 2024/25 BERMUDA FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY PANEL ANNUAL ASSESSMENT 2023 Hon. E. David …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The next is in the name of the Minister of Transport. Minister. BERMUDA AIRPORT AUTHORITY 2022 ANNUAL REPORT Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the 2022 Annual Report of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. And the final one this morning is in the name of the Minister of the Cabinet Office. Minister. Hon. Vance Campbell: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. TRADE MARKS REGULATIONS 2023 Hon. Vance Campbell: I have the honour to attach and submit for the information of the Honourable House of Assembly the Trade Marks Regulations 2023 made by the Minister responsible for intellectual property in exercise of the power conferred by section 94 of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. That moves us on. PETITIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS AND JUNIOR MINISTERS
The Speaker The Speaker The first Statement this morning is from the Premier. Premier, would you like to present your first Statement ? Hon. E. David Burt: Certainly, Mr. Speaker. And good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. MID-YEAR FINANCIAL UPDATE AND TABLING OF THE PRE -BUDGET REPORT & REPORT OF THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY PANEL Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise today on behalf of the Government in our last sitting of 2023 to provide an economic and fiscal update …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Members, the second Statement this morning is also in the name of the Premier . . . I am sorry, the Deputy Premier. I am sorry. It is the Deputy Premier on the COP28 report. Deputy Premier, would you like to present your Statement at this …
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Good morning to you and Members of the House and the listening public.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. 28 TH UNITED NATIONS CLIMATE CHANGE CONFERENCE OF THE PARTIES (COP28) , UNITED ARAB EMIRATES FROM 30 NOVEMBER TO 12 DECEMBER 2023 Hon. Walter H. Roban: Mr. Speaker, I rise to inform this Honourable House of Bermuda’s representation at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in the Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Deputy Premier. Members, the next Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister of Works. Minister. Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. ROAD PAVING AND EQUIPMENT UPDATE
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Mr. Speaker, on numerous occasions I have risen in this Honourable House to provide updates on the continuing roadwork projects across the Island, namely, the BELCO Infrastructure Project, the Ministry of Public Works Water and Wastewater Master Plan Phase I works in St. George’s, as well as road paving generally. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, the final Statement this morning is in the name of the Minister for Youth, Social Development and Seniors. Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Good morning and thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. CARICOM’S DRAFT GENDER STRATEGY Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Tinee Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning as Minister responsible for gender affairs to share with this Honourable House and the public the goal that CARICOM is working toward to coordinate and accelerate efforts for achieving gender equality …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Members, that brings us to an end of the Statements for this morning. We now move on to the next order on the Order Paper. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
The Speaker The Speaker We have one report this morning, the Private Bills Committee Report on the Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023. And MP Ad-ams is going to present this this morning.
Mr. Jache Adams Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. PARLIAMENTARY JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE BILLS REPORT ON MEANWHILE INSURANCE BITCOIN (BERMUDA) LIMITED ACT 2023
Mr. Jache Adams To the Honourable the President and Members of the Senate, to the —
The Speaker The Speaker To the House, to the House.
Mr. Jache Adams [To the Honourable Speaker and] the Honourable Members of the House of Assembly, the Parliamentary Joint Select Committee on Private Bills has the honour to submit the following report: The Committee has carefully considered the petition, together with the related Bill, for the Act listed hereunder and is satisfied that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Members, that is the only Report of Committees submitted this morning. We now move on. QUESTION PERIOD
The Speaker The Speaker Ministers, there are two Members who have questions from Statements this morning, and we will start with MP Pearman, who has a question for the Premier on his Statement in reference to the mid- year financial update. QUESTION 1: MID -YEAR FINANCIAL UPDATE AND TABLING OF THE PRE -BUDGET REPORT …
Mr. Scott Pearman Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance. In respect of your Statement about the $50 million that is being paid, when is the $50 million being paid now due under the relevant loan note?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The $50 million is due today! And funds were transferred to Butterfield Bank yesterday to ensure that they did not charge the government any extra interest in saying that the payments may have been delayed. So, the funds have been transferred. …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or new question?
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplementary.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. SUPPLEMENTARIES
Mr. Scott Pearman So if it is due today, the Government is in fact complying with the contractual obligation, yes? Hon. E. David Burt: I think the learned Member would know the answer to that question. I am trying to under-stand what his point is. Maybe you will get to it in the …
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary?
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, second supplementary. I have been asked to clarify why I asked that question. The Government had portrayed this as if they were getting ahead of the game. But in fact they are doing what they were obliged to do, correct? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, as we see …
The Speaker The Speaker New question?
The Speaker The Speaker Second question. QUESTION 2: MID -YEAR FINANCIAL UPDATE AND TABLING OF THE PRE -BUDGET REPORT AND REPORT OF THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY PANEL
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, yes. It appears I struck a nerve today. But there we are. Second question, Mr. Speaker. And I did not say the Government is not doing anything. I said the Government is doing what it is obliged to do. 234 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, that was mentioned in my Statement.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman Supplemental?
The Speaker The Speaker Supplemental. Yes. SUPPLEMENTARY
Mr. Scott Pearman The fact that it was mentioned in your Statement, do you agree that net debt is unchanged? [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I think the fact that it was included in the Statement speaks for itself.
Mr. Scott Pearman With respect, Mr. Speaker, I can include something in a Statement —does not say I agree or disagree. I am inviting [the Honourable Premier] to agree with the Statement. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker I would want to think that the Statements that the Ministers bring here are Statements that they are in agreement with. It is their Statement. It is their Statement that they have drafted and brought to the House. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker Members! Members, Members. Thank you. I would want to think any Minister who is bringing a Statement here is bringing something to the House that they are in support of and are in agreement with.
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, thank you for clarifying the point that net debt has not actually been reduced. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No further questions.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier, the next question is also for you. It is from MP Dunkley. MP Dunkley, would you like to put your question? QUESTION 1: MID -YEAR FINANCIAL UPDATE AND TABLING OF THE PRE -BUDGET REPORT AND REPORT OF THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY PANEL Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Good morning, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, it is lovely to see that at least some Members of the Opposition can recog-nise that progress is being made. So, I welcome the comments of the Honourable Member. What I would say, Mr. Speaker, is that this report was tabled …
The Speaker The Speaker Supplementary or new question? Bermuda House of Assembly QUESTION 2: MID -YEAR FINANCIAL UPDATE AND TABLING OF THE PRE -BUDGET REPORT AND REPORT OF THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY PANEL Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: New question. I appreciate the answer from the Premier. And the Opposition will reach out and get some …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the question. I am just chuckling to myself as I remember when we used to sit in another place and there were questions asked about the future. And we used to, you know, bring out the fake crystal ball. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary or third question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUPPLEMENTARIES Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you, Honourable Premier. For that supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, the Premier says that we will have a long debate during the budget next year. So a question in advance, because we talked about this a bit in Question Period last year: How was …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, in the spirit of goodwill amongst men in the Christmas season, I am not going to try to throw stones at things which may or may not have happened prior to my returning to the Ministry of Finance. Nonetheless, what I will say …
The Speaker The Speaker Second supplementary or third question? Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Second supplementary. 236 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Go ahead. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: A hundred per cent support the Premier; the hospital must be funded. We have spo-ken about this for extended periods …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, there is no stone. That is just reality. Making decisions in finance is diffi-cult. Making sure that you meet budget targets, having adequate cash and governing a country and running a ministry in a pandemic is difficult. But the record of thi s …
The Speaker The Speaker Third question? QUESTION 3: MID -YEAR FINANCIAL UPDATE AND TABLING OF THE PRE -BUDGET REPORT AND REPORT OF THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY PANEL Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Premier on page 4 of his Statement refers to the Government pledge of $7.5 million …
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will just state for the Honourable Member that when the Ministry of Finance does its analysis, as we are going through the budget session, we will make further commitments and budget announcements will be made. I accept the congratulations from the Opposition. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Supplementary? SUPPLEMENTARY Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Thank you for that succinct answer by the Honourable Premier. Mr. Speaker, my last question, supplementary (well, depending on how the Honourable Premier an-swers it), is, What is the outstanding balance of unpaid collectible taxes at the present time?
The Speaker The Speaker Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I do not have that information off the top of my head.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Will the Premier endeavour to obtain it for the House? Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am sure that those matters will be covered in the Budget Statement. But if the Honourable Member wants to submit a specific Parliamentary Question, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I am happy to submit a Parliamentary Question, but I have to wait until the Budget Debate next time. I am asking the Honourable Premier if maybe I could send an email to the Honourable Premier and he could remind Members in the Office …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. Okay. The Premier gave a response to it. So, it will work from there. Okay? Thank you, Premier. Those were the only questions for you this morning. The next Statement that has questions is that from the Minister of Youth, Social Development and Seniors. Minister, MP Jackson has a …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, Members and the listening public. I just had one question for the Minister. When she was reviewing and participating in the CARICOM draft Gender Strategy, were there any particular areas that the Minister felt would be most useful for Bermuda? Are there any …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister. Hon. Tinee Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did mention in the Statement in regard to the actual thematic areas of the Gender Strategy, and it is really to make sure that Bermuda with her own terms of reference with our Gender Affairs Council is aligning with other jurisdictions …
Ms. Susan E. Jackson No, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker No further questions. Thank you, Members and Ministers. That brings us to an end of the Question Period this morning. And we will now prepare to move on. CONGRATULATORY AND/OR OBITUARY SPEECHES
The Speaker The Speaker Let me set the clock. Does any Member wish to speak to that? MP Swan.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise on congrats and obits to be associated with an obituary brought by the Deputy Speaker last week. It came to my attention through his obituary that Mr. David Ralston had passed away. And I felt certainly a huge welling in my …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does any other Member wish to speak? MP Dickinson, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson Mr. Speaker, I will not require that much time. Mr. Speaker, I rise this morning to ask the House to convey hearty congratulations on the 98th birthday of Ms. Izola Harvey! Ms. Harvey, as many will know, was a member of the Progressive Group. And I would dare say part …
The Speaker The Speaker Sir, I think the whole House would be associated with that. Yes. MP Simmons, would you like your three minutes?
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons Thank you. I would love to be associated with the remarks about my constituent, Ms. Izola Harvey, and join in the congratulations and gratitude for her contribution toward moving Bermuda forward and for helping make it a more equitable place. While I am on my feet I would also like …
Mr. Jamahl S. Simmons I had the pleasure of first meeting her [when I was] a newborn MP in 2014. And as many of my constituents’ children attend the school, we built a very strong relationship. And travelling up and down the Island, you would see many schools. And you were abl e to …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Would any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning, colleagues. I would just like to send condolences to the family of Steve Parkes, as you read in the paper, better known as “Carpenter.” We spent an extensive amount of time together trying to address the many challenges that we are having …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Lister, you have your three minutes.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Dennis Lister III Good morning to the listening audience, fellow colleagues. I would like to start off by associating myself with comments made by MP Jamahl Simmons in regard to Ms. Tajuana Dean. I declare an interest; she is family. But I did read that she had been educating for 38 years. That …
Mr. Dennis Lister III Thirty -eight years is a long time to commit to being an educator and to make it to being a principal. So again, I just want to congratulate her on the 38 years of service that she put in to public educa-tion in Bermuda. Bermuda House of Assembly On that …
Mr. Dennis Lister III I was not in attendance. [Laughter]
Mr. Dennis Lister III But I just want to congratulate and recognise all of the students and all of the different schools that participated. And I hope you will vote for those schools. I will declare my interest; I will be voting for Bermuda Institute. But congratulations to al l of the schools and …
Mr. Dennis Lister III I would say I have not been on any of the trips with him yet. [Inaudible interjections and l aughter]
Mr. Dennis Lister III But as I said, Bermudians are well travelled. And out of the 7 billion- odd people, only 6,000- odd people have reached that milestone of travelling to 100 countries on this earth. So again, I want to just recognise him for that achievement. And hopefully one day many more Bermudians …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. MP Ming, good morning. You have your three minutes.
Mrs. Renee Ming Good morning, Mr. Speaker and listening audience. This morning I rise with a very heavy heart. St. George’s lost an icon, a legend today actually. Janet Smith was the wife of Ross Smith, former — [Inaudible interjection]
Mrs. Renee Ming Yes, Ross Smith . Anyone who knew Aunt Janet knows that she goes over and beyond within our community. She is de-pendable. She does not like to be out front. She works tirelessly behind the scenes. Anything in the community that is going on, Janet was there. She helped for …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Renee Ming And I hope that we can be half the person that she was in terms of how she encouraged and the things that she did within her community. I know that some of what I am today . . . because she was part of what I would call my …
Mrs. Renee Ming And the Corporation of St. George’s hosted the Santa Comes to Town, another successful event, a draw into the community. I also want to thank the Corporation of St. George’s workers because if you have not visited St. 240 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly George’s …
Mrs. Renee Ming So if you have not visited, and I hope the listening audiences hear, you can come in, you can have a visit of the town. And also you can visit the Winter Wonderland at Somers Gardens. So, Mr. Speaker, on that note, thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Ming. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker Before I acknowledge MP Simmons - Wade, I would just like to acknowledge that in the Gallery this morning we have former Senator Perinchief. Phil Perinchief, it is good to see you in the House this morning. Good. [Congratulatory and/or Obituary Speeches, continuing]
The Speaker The Speaker MP Simmons -Wade, you have your three minutes.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons- Wade Good morning, Mr. Speaker and the listening public. I would like to give congratulations over some of the Christmas programmes this year. Vernon Temple’s Sunday School programme brought me actually to tears to see the young people who are still going to church and seeing the grandmothers and grandparents, aunts …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mrs. Ianthia Simmons -Wade I would also like to congratulate Summerhaven on their Christmas event which was held last night. They have been doing this for the last almost 40 years, 22 years of which I was there to support them. They had a great support from the community, not just individual’s families who …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Foggo, you have your three minutes.
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo Good day, Mr. Speaker. Good day to the House, and good day to the listening public. First, I would like to be associated with the remarks from MP Renee Ming in expressing condolences for Janet Smith, who in many ways became a matriarch in the St. George’s area. She was …
The Speaker The Speaker I think we have heard that wish a few times. [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
Ms. Lovitta F. Foggo So, Mr. Speaker . . . But I do stand today to give congratulatory remarks to two great schools in the eastern area —East End Primary for an excellent concert yesterday evening, and St. David’s Primary for another first -class Christmas concert. Both schools are small, but let me say …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Foggo. MP Caines, would you like to have your three minutes? Go right ahead.
Mr. Wayne Caines If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Wayne Caines I would like to ask that a letter of condolences be sent to the family of Kaelon Jamal Bermuda House of Assembly Charles Ellsworth Furbert. He was a resident of Cedar Park, died in his 53rd year. We attended the Prospect Primary School together. In our community, he was one …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Caines. Does any other Member wish to make— Minister Weeks, you have your three minutes. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning. Hon. Michael A. Weeks: Mr. Speaker, I would like to start off my remarks by associating myself with the Member from constituency 14 who spoke of Kaelon Furbert. He was a person whom I have known for a long time. And like the MP said, Kaelon— [Inaudible interjection] …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. [Laughter] Hon. Michael A. Weeks: But Kaelon Furbert was really, really the neighbourhood DJ. And he is going to be a great miss. Mr. Speaker, I also want to be associated with the remarks for Steve Parkes. Unfortunately, he is the fourth murder in Bermuda this year. I …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish— Government Whip, Mr. Tyrrell, you have the floor.
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good morning to you and colleagues. Mr. Speaker, in the first instance I ask that condolences be sent to the family of the late Lucille May Evans of Lightbourne Drive in Warwick. Ms. Evans obviously was a constituent of mine and also a friend of …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Government Whip, Mr. Tyrrell. Does anyone else wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Anthony Richardson. I see you jump to your feet. You have your three minutes.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Sure, Mr. Speaker. Others say it, but I am not going to take my three minutes today; that is for sure. I want to add my compliments, though, to all of the schools that participated at the Skyport (I want to call it) schools challenge. I actually was present yesterday. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Richardson. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? None other. Before we move on, I would just like to add a couple of comments to some of the remarks that were made. First of all, I would like to start off with …
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. NOTICE OF MOTIONS FOR THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE ON MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS GOVERNMENT BILLS B ermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: We have two Bills to be introduced this morning. And the Premier will introduce the first. Actually, both Bills are Premier’s. BILL WITHDRAWN [Standing Order 48] CORPORATE INCOME TAX ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: …
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 29(1) Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill, which according to section 36(3)(a)(i) of the Bermuda Constitution requires the Governor’s recommendation so that it may be placed on the Order Paper: the Investment Business Amendment Act …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. BILL FIRST READING INVESTMENT BUSINESS AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am introducing the following Bill for its first reading so that it may be placed on the Order Paper for the next day of meeting: the Investment Busi-ness Amendment …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Members, that brings us to the covering of all of the Bills to be introduced today. NOTICE OF MOTIONS
The Speaker The Speaker There are none. ORDERS OF THE DAY The Speaker: It has been agreed by both sides that there will be an adjustment to the order. Items 3 and 4 will be done as 1 and 2. And we will start with item 3 as number 1, and that is the …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I move that consideration be given to the draft Order entitled Tourism Investment (Ariel Sands) Order 2023 , proposed to be made by the Minister responsible for Tourism under section 3 of the Tourism Investment Act 2017 with the written agreement of the Minister of Finance in exercise …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections to the Junior Minister proceeding? None. Continue.
Mr. H ubert (Kim) E. S wan I mov e that dr aft O rder . . . No . . .
Mr. H ubert (Kim) E. S wan No? Yes. N o. Yes. T hank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker I think you hit the points on that one. Continue.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan That was one of Dr. [Ewart] Brown’s one-m inute briefs. [Laughter] DRAFT ORDER TOURISM INVESTMENT (ARIEL SANDS) ORDER 2023
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, the purpose in bringing this Tourism Inves tment (Ariel Sands) Order 2023 before this Honourable House is to enable the grant of tax relief to the developers investing in the tourism product Ariel Sands Ltd., which is in the national economic interest of Bermuda. Mr. Speaker, I am …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Cannonier, you have the floor.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Junior Minister for bringing good news actually for Bermuda. I was not quite sure which company the Honourable Member said. I just want to make sure, was he talking about Kempinski? Not Com . . . I do not know. …
The Speaker The Speaker Do you want to just yield a minute so he can get clarification?
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes, yes, yes.
The Speaker The Speaker Junior Minister, he is just trying to get a clarification on the name so that he can continue his presentation. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Kempinski Hotel group.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister, for that.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Yes. Thank you very much. And that is excellent news. Many of us would know this five-star establishment will do a fantastic job. Ariel Sands has been (my goodness!) the subject or on the table for this kind of development for many, many, many moons now. So it is good …
The Speaker The Speaker No Committee. No Committee; consideration. Yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Oh, that is right. There is no Committee for this here. That is right, that is right. Yes. It is an Order, yes.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So, I will ask the question. I am still not convinced that when we state here that one of the conditions is that, you know, this place has to be 70 per cent manned by Bermudians within a few years. It seems a bit aggressive and just thrown out there. …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier So again, we stated when the Act was passed many moons ago from 10 years to 15 years (not many moons, not so long ago) that this would bring up for any new development and any renovations coming up that they would be seeking 15 years as well. So, one …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Cannonier. Does any other Member . . . MP Caines, would you like to make a contribution?
Mr. Wayne Caines If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Go right ahead.
Mr. Wayne Caines Mr. Speaker, I am excited to learn of this opportunity for our country. If we consider back in the 1980s, when we were a thriving tourism destina-tion, there was a Member of Government at the time . . . but then the 1920s , a then Minister of Tourism said, …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Wayne Caines That same Minister said We do not want burgers -and-french- fries-type of business coming to Bermuda. We know directly thereafter we had it so good in Bermuda that we thought that this would continue forever. We saw Lantana, the Somerset Bridge Hotel, Sonesta Belmont, Glencoe, Horizons Inverurie, Elbow Beach, Waterloo …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Caines. Does any other Member wish to— MP Anthony Richardson.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Good morning again, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Good morning.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I am actually pleased to add a few comments to this conversation in the instance of what I consider to be raising the bar —raising the bar in the context of Bermuda having a good reputation for a good service. And I do specify that service is not servitude. It …
Mr. Anthony Richardson The Whip, sorry. —more and more Bermudians available. So, to the extent that there are persons who are either unem-ployed or underemployed, they need to start preparing themselves for what is going to be a significant opportunity in the next 12 to 24 months so they can actu ally be …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Richardson. No other Member? Minister Campbell. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Ariel Sands was built and established by the Dill family in the early 1950s, then oper-ated as a hotel until its closure in 2008. It was one of those, the first hotel, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Campbell. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Minister Hayward. Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, as stated by Honourable Member Caines, the revival of Bermuda’s tourism hinges upon strategic investment. And strategic investment is what this Government actually seeks. And that is facilitated by these …
The Speaker The Speaker Minister, do you mind if I interrupt you for a moment? Do you intend to speak much longer? Because we are at 12:30. You can break and come back at two, or you can close us and we can go to lunch at this point. Your . . . Hon. …
The Speaker The Speaker Ninety seconds? Okay. And then we will go to lunch. Hon. Jason Hayward: Yes.
The Speaker The Speaker All right. Hon. Jason Hayward: And so the establishments will also raise tax [revenue] in other areas. So instead of our saying that the residents of Bermuda will be footing the bill, I would say that investment and the development of the facility, the taxes generated and the income generated …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Minister, before you sit, would you like to move us to lunch? Hon. Jason Hayward: Mr. Speaker, I move that the House adjourn to lunch.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are no objections. The House now stands adjourned until 2:00 pm. [Gavel] Proceedings suspended at 12:3 2 pm Proceedings resumed at 2:03 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] The Speaker: Good afternoon, Members. The House is back in session. [Gavel]
The Speaker The Speaker We are in the process of the first Order of the Day, which is the consideration of the Tourism Investment (Ariel Sands) Order 2023. And I believe the Junior Minister was about to wrap up.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. DRAFT ORDER TOURISM INVESTMENT (ARIEL SANDS) ORDER 2023 [Continuation thereof]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I just want to thank Members for their contributions. I want to give a special thanks to the Minister for the Cabinet Office, who prior had responsibility and did a great deal of the heavy lifting that was required to get these two draft Orders, but this p articular draft …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members, for your participation, and thank you, Junior Minister. The Order has been approved and the necessary documentation will be forthcoming. [Motion carried: The Tourism Investment (Ariel Sands) Order 2023 was approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker We now move on to the next item, which is item number 4 (but we are doing it as item number 2), which is consideration of the Tourism Investment (Bermudiana Beach Resort) Order 2023. And again, the Junior Minister will present this. Junior Minister.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Speaker, I move that consideration be given to the draft Order entitled the Tourism Investment (Bermudiana Beach Resort) Order 2023 proposed to be made by the Minister responsible for Tourism under section 3 of the Tourism Investment Act 2017, as applied by section 13B of the Bermuda Housing Act …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Junior Minister. DRAFT ORDER TOURISM INVESTMENT (BERMUDIANA BEACH RESORT) ORDER 2023
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the purpose in bringing this Tourism Investment (Bermudiana Beach Resort) Order 2023 be fore this Honourable House is to enable the grant of tax relief to developers investing in the tourism product, Bermudiana Beach Resort, which is in the na-tional economic interest of Bermuda. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Cannonier.
Mr. L. Craig Cannonier Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon to yourself, colleagues and the public. Once again, I am glad to see that something is going to happen here of consequence. I must say that another Minister in a different capacity has talked quite a bit about some of the work that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. MP Caines.
Mr. Wayne Caines If it pleases you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Wayne Caines Mr. Speaker, the Tourism Investment (Bermudiana Beach Resort) Order 2023. I have had the opportunity to consider all of the facts and the circumstances, how the project started origi nally, what it has morphed to be and the benefit that it can bring to Bermuda in its current iteration. And …
Mr. Wayne Caines No, that would be the total number of rooms here, 180. [Inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Wayne Caines That would be an increase of 108 per cent of the 2019 inventory. The projects that we have on tap include Bermudiana Beach Resort, the Fairmont Southampton, the Grotto Bay, the Azura. We have seen projects that have been completed like Cambridge Beaches. We hope that such projects that we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Caines. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Minister of Works.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I could not let this opportunity pass without having a few comments on the Bermudiana Beach Resort. I am going to first touch briefly on its chequered history —and ever so briefly,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Clearly, we started this as a Government prior to 2012. And it has been a long and painful journey. When we returned to Government in 2017, this option was already on the table. And whilst there has been . . . I think it is a fascinating thing that you …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. 254 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: And you do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what that is. It teaches their staff that Hilton way. So, the employees at Bermudiana Beach, before it opens, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? Minister Campbell. Hon. Vance Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I will be a lot briefer with this one here. Mr. Speaker, when we hear or when we look at and analyse the results of tourism in these days, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? There are none other. Junior Minister.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to wholeheartedly thank the contributions of Members, especially two substantive Ministers who are intimately knowledgeable and involved in the progression of this Tourism Investment (Bermudiana Beach Resort) Order 2023, especially the Minister responsible fo r Public Works, whose Ministry, through the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Junior Minister. The matter is approved. And the appropriate documentation will be forwarded. [Motion carried: The Tourism Investment (Bermudiana Beach Resort) Order 2023 was approved.]
The Speaker The Speaker Members, that brings us to a conclusion of that item. The next item is item number 2 on the Order Paper, but it is number 3 on business to be done. And that is the second reading of the Bermuda Mone-tary Authority Amendment Act 2023 in the name of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. All right. Thank you. You can proceed. [Pause] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bill entitled the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 be now read a second time.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Minister. BILL SECOND READING BERMUDA MONETARY AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present to this Honourable House the Bill entitled the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023. This Bill amends the Bermuda Monetary Authority …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER HOUSE VISITOR
The Speaker The Speaker Before I recognise anyone else, I would just like to recognise that in our Gallery today we have another former Member who is visiting us, this time it is a former Member from this Chamber, Maxwell Burgess. It is nice to have you in the Chamber. I see you have …
The Speaker The Speaker Nice to have you here. Good. [Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023, second reading debate, continuing]
The Speaker The Speaker Now, would you like to make a contribution? MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak on the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023. Mr. Speaker, for the benefit of the listening public this Bill runs some 74 pages, and it was introduced to us on Monday. And we, the Opposition, were invited to allow …
Mr. Scott Pearman Let me start by — Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Honourable Member is misleading the House. He just told persons that we asked him to table 258 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report B ermuda House of Assembly and debate a Bill in one …
Mr. Scott Pearman I think the Honourable Premier has missed the spirit of the comment that I just made. And given it is the Christmas season, and given that we were about to explain the indulgences that the Opposition was giving to the Government, who tabled this Bill late, who only afforded a …
The Speaker The Speaker Let us clarify. The issue is the Bill being tabled and done in one quick sitting is the point that you raised. The Bill was tabled — Hon. E. David Burt: Last week.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill was tabled— Mr . Scott Pearman: I accept that this is being done on short notice. If that is the clarification— [ Inaudible interjections and general uproar ]
The Speaker The Speaker No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. Members! Members! Members! Take your seat. Let me walk . . . I am going to walk you through this—nice and slow for everyone—so we will not have all of this back -and-forth. The Bill was …
The Speaker The Speaker Correct. Agreed by the House? Mr . Scott Pearman: Correct.
The Speaker The Speaker It is being debated today. Mr . Scott Pearman: Correct.
The Speaker The Speaker What is wrong with that? In that that is the process for which Bills are to be tabled. [ Inaudible interjections] The Speaker: You have to sit. Wait. Wait. The minimum requirement is the seven- day period. And it has sat for seven days, and we are taking it up …
The Speaker The Speaker —and I made reference just now to a former Member who sat in this Chamber, Mr. Maxwell Burgess, who is in the Chamber today. Mr. Burgess would remember, like I do, that when we first sat in these Chambers we used to meet every seven days rather than the 14 …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Now that you got that clear.
The Speaker The Speaker Members, I need no assistance! None at all!
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are extremely appreciative for the cooperation afforded— Hon. E. David Burt: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Scott Pearman Seriously? POINT OF ORDER Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member has not retracted the false statement where he said that a 70- page Bill was actually tabled and debated on the same day. He was misleading the House. He must retract the statement.
The Speaker The Speaker I am expecting that he will lead into that now as he starts his remarks.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am happy to do so. And what I was about to do was thank the Members of the Ministry staff and the BMA, who af-forded us the opportunity of a meeting on Monday, it being Friday, on Monday to discuss the 72- page Bill. And I was about to …
Mr. Scott Pearman And I stand by that point. And I appreciate very much the Corporation—
The Speaker The Speaker No, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I do not want to see it deteriorate to where we start having stones thrown across the room on a personal note. Do not kill the messenger. Deal with the message. And you have my full support …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman And let me continue the original theme where I had started in the spirit of Christmas and goodwill.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman Now first of all, I was trying to say I appreciate the cooperation of the Ministry of Finance and the members of the BMA who did afford us the opportunity of a meeting to explain a very long and de-tailed and complicated Bill. And we are extremely grateful for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP. 260 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Premier, you did not give me a chance to ask if there were any other speakers. You were up on your feet so quickly that time. Hon. E. David Burt: I wanted to make sure I …
The Speaker The Speaker I assume you would like to make your contribution at this time. Go right ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I will just start by thanking the Honourable Minister for carrying this particular Bill for me today, as clearly, I have another major Bill that I am dealing with. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Does any other Member . . . MP Dickinson, you have the floor.
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me first start by declaring my interest. For the last 13 months I have served as an executive advisor to the Bermuda International Long Term Insurers and Reinsurers, who are impacted by this legislation. [Microphone adjustment]
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson How is this? Better?
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson We need taller microphones, Mr. Speaker. I am six foot three. [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker Just speak this way. Direct your comments to the Speaker. They got caught up and sidetracked.
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson I am going to try, Mr. Speaker, to do a reset.
The Speaker The Speaker They get caught up.
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson I am going to try to do a reset, Mr. Speaker, because I believe that this legislation is something that . . . notwithstanding the prior debate, it is something that we all can agree on. [Inaudible interjection]
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson Yes. Mr. Speaker, over the course of the last five years the growth in the long -term sector has been nothing short of exponential. And in some respects, we have been challenged to keep pace with the growth that is happening in the industry. And I think what is happening …
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson So, I never intended to speak very long, but I lend my full support to this legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member. Does any other Honourable Member wish to make a contribution? None? Minister. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thanks to everyone for being involved this afternoon. And I thank the Honourable Members for their support. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member emphasised that the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Deputy. [Pause] House in Committee at 3:15 pm [Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr., Chairman] COMMITTEE ON BILL BERMUDA MONETARY AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole for further consideration of the Bill entitled the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 . Minister, you have the floor. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, I would like to move all clauses, 1 through 5.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides for the citation of the Bill. Clause 2 amends the Fourth Schedule to the principal Act by deleting the entries in that Schedule applicable to the Insurance Act 1978. Mr. Chairman, clause 3 provides for Schedule 1, which amends the …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Minister. Any further speakers? There appear to be none. Minister, do you want to move the clauses? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Yes, Mr. Chairman. I move the clauses 1 through 5.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 through 5 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 5 passed.] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the preamble be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the preamble be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Bill be reported to the House as printed.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that the Bill be reported to the House as printed. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. 262 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Bill will be reported to the House. Mr. Speaker. Oh, one second before …
The Chairman Chairman Yes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I move that the Schedules —
The Chairman Chairman —be approved? It has been moved that the Schedules be approved. Any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Schedules 1 and 2 passed.]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker, the Bill will be reported to the House. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendments.]
The Chairman Chairman Mr. Speaker. House resumed at 3: 20 pm [Hon. Dennis P. Lister, Jr., Speaker, in the Chair] REPORT OF COMMITTEE BERMUDA MONETARY AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2023
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. Thank you, Members. We will move on. And again adjusting the order, Order No. 5 is going to be done now as Order No. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023. Mr. Speaker, I move that the following petition, together with the report of the Parliamentary Joint Select Committee on Private Bills, which was presented on the 15 th of December 2023, be now considered. The petition of Appleby Bermuda Ltd. for a Standard …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Continue. [Inaudible interjections]
The Speaker The Speaker That is it?
Mr. Scott Pearman I believe you are going to question for objections at this point.
The Speaker The Speaker There are no objections at this point. Right?
Mr. Scott Pearman Agreed to.
The Speaker The Speaker Go on.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move for leave to introduce and read for the first time by its title the following Private Bill entitled Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that the prayers of the petitioner be granted, and to give effect thereto that without prejudice leave being granted to bring in the proposed Bill reprinted to accord with the recommendations of the Parliamentary Joint Select Committee on Private Bills for the amendment thereof.
The Speaker The Speaker One sec, one sec, one sec. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker You are supposed to . . .
Mr. Scott Pearman I think it is about the question of the necessary certificates, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. But actually, when we get to the third reading . . . You introduced it just now?
Mr. Scott Pearman No. It was introduced by MP Adams earlier. Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: Right, right, right.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes. This is the motion for the third reading.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. You know what? Okay. We did change the order because we should have done this third reading at the end of the day. But we have done the third reading. So, what you are doing should have been done then.
Mr. Scott Pearman Sorry. I was just following your lead, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes, I know. When we changed the order . . . Let me hold this until . . . let us complete the orders and [do this] when we do the third readings.
Mr. Scott Pearman Happy to do so. We will do it at the end.
The Speaker The Speaker Because I am supposed to be responding to you, but at the third readings. Okay? So with that said, Premier, we will move on and do your matter. And that piece is included in the third readings. Okay? All those changes and adjustments, for those listening, was to accommodate the …
The Speaker The Speaker Okay. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 29(1 ) Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 29(1) be suspended to enable the House to proceed with the second reading of the Bill entitled the Corporate In-come Tax Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, with the suspension of Standing Order 29(1), I move that the Bill entitled the Corporate Income Tax Act 2023, with the Governor’s recommendation, be now read for the second time. The Speaker: Are there any objections? There are none. Continue, Premier. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier is imputing improper motive.
The Speaker The Speaker Premier, just be mindful of guidelines. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not imputing improper motive, Mr. Speaker. But if they are going to come here and bring an amendment, I will get to it in the brief. But bring an amendment on a body of …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman Yet again he is repeating the same statement and imputing improper motive. [Pause]
The Speaker The Speaker You give an opinion. The only thing that I may add to that would be to keep within the guide-lines— Hon. E. David Burt: I will go, Mr. Speaker. 268 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly The Speaker: And the little named pieces attached to individuals, …
The Speaker The Speaker But just stay in the guidelines. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I shall continue. Mr. Speaker, I may know many things. But what I do know is that I am not an expert in international taxation. And so why do these three think they know more than the experts? …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order Mr. Speaker. Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier is misleading the House. The [amendment] was shared with this House and indeed with the Ministry of Finance before being released to the media only this morning. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member is clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly . . . Maybe he had …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Honourable Premier is yet again misleading the House. The amendment to the Bill from the OBA was shared with you, Mr. Speaker, around eleven o’clock yesterday morning. It was shared with the Government around 11:30. That was yesterday . The amendment was not in fact released to the media …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman The Premier is yet again misleading the House. The Premier was provided with a copy of the OBA’s amendment before the Honourable Shadow Finance Minister spoke to the media. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker. I have the notes from and the email receipts. But here is what …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker. B ermuda House of Assembly POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman Yet again the Honourable Premier is misleading this House. I had given you the times on which it was provided firstly to you as Honourable Speaker in this Parliament; secondly to the Ministry of Finance via his Whip; and only thirdly did the Honoura-ble Me mber go and do interviews …
The Speaker The Speaker Let the timeline play itself out. I believe the Premier was talking to a timeline that he has there. Hon. E. David Burt: Mm-hmm. So what I will say, Mr. Speaker, is this stunt with an amendment that was shared with the media with a full media tour that hap-pened …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Imposition of Corporate Income Tax Hon. E. David Burt: Moving on to the imposition of corporate income tax. The Government believes that it is reasonable and proportionate for any new Bermuda corporate income tax regime that is based on the key requirements of the global minimum tax supersede any …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Little Economic Difference Between Paying Tax Elsewhere and Paying in Bermuda Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, at present the Government’s annual operating budget is funded by payroll taxes, customs duties, and various other taxes and fees. While the current system has historically proven to be relatively effective and …
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. In Scope Entities Hon. E. David Burt: Moving on to In Scope Entities. Mr. Speaker, the Bill makes provision for companies to be in scope for the corporate income tax if they are: • Bermuda constituent entities comprised of Bermuda tax resident entities; and • Bermuda permanent establishments …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. E. David Burt: In other jurisdictions it is common to offer specific tax credits to enhance jurisdictional competitiveness and to incentivise certain taxpayer behaviours. Given the relevant provisions of the GloBE Rules in this regard, countries are establishing qualified refundable tax credits under their global minimum tax compliant …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Go ahead. Hon. E. David Burt: But I am advised that I must read this verbatim —
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. Hon. E. David Burt: —for matters of the future.
The Speaker The Speaker Get it right. Get it right. Adjustments Due to International Financial Reporting Standard 17 (IFRS and LDTI) Hon. E. David Burt: Adjustments due to International Financial Reporting Standard 17, known as IFRS and LDTI. Mr. Speaker, the IFRS 17 adjustment mitigates issues associated with implementation of the IFRS 17 and …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Premier. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Pearman, you have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon and good afternoon to the listening public. I thank the Honourable Premier and Minister of Finance for the presentation just made to the House on what is indeed a historic Bill. Before I get into the substance, Mr. Speaker, just a few points of …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman Fourth, as I now find that I am one of three musketeers — Hon. E. David Burt: Yes.
Mr. Scott Pearman —I shall try to keep my rapier at my side— [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman —relying only on my rapier wit, of course— [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman I actually can remember the names of the musketeers: Athos, Porthos and Aramis who assisted the young D'Artagnan.
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And I am . . . MP Michael Dunkley has asked which I am — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman No, I am Porthos, who of course was the fat one. [Laughter and inaudible interjections ]
Mr. Scott Pearman So, there we go. Now, here we go. It is a historic Bill, Mr. Speaker. And certainly the biggest piece of legislation to come through this House during my short tenure. And I start with an observation about taxes, generally, or indeed, two. One is, once taxes come in, they …
The Speaker The Speaker Not at all.
Mr. Scott Pearman And likewise, it is a cliché, but it is timeworn and loved and that is, There are two certain-ties in life and that is indeed death and taxes. We as a political party on this side are truly committed to trying to reduce taxes. And we recognise that no matter …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman But it should not be thought that this is the globe marching in lockstep. It is some, but it is not others. And we will not know whether it is the globe marching in lockstep for several years to come, perhaps. And that is an important thing because there is …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman If it does, we in the Opposition recognise that there is potential for upside here, and considerable potential. And I will come on to that on the amendment that the OBA is proposing today. But we must also say . . . and I hear from the Honourable Minister Mr. …
Mr. Scott Pearman I still believe that this is democracy and I still believe that it is for Parliament, not the Government, to decide the law of the day. So, there is potential for upside here and we recognise that. But let’s be clear. This potential is highly speculative. So let us not …
Mr. Scott Pearman Sorry. Did I mishear that? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman Oh, I apologise. I . . . I— [Laughter]
Mr. Scott Pearman Sorry to elevate you too soon. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Scott Pearman There we go. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, well, we are not going to deal with retractions. Let’s stay on a good line, shall we, Minister Hayward? One fundamental will be the identification of tax credits. And you will be hearing . . . we will be hearing a lot about tax credits just as the Premier’s …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Who has said that?
Mr. Scott Pearman So in terms of — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Scott Pearman I am going to continue.
The Speaker The Speaker Gentlemen. Gentlemen. Go ahead.
Mr. Scott Pearman I am told by the Premier that I am building straw men. What I am actually doing is setting out the facts because I do not tend to speak in hyper-bole and make false promises. [Inaudible interjections] B ermuda House of Assembly Mr. Scott Pearman: There will need to be …
The Speaker The Speaker Ah! Ah! Ah! Members. —
Mr. Scott Pearman —of whether the tax material materialises.
The Speaker The Speaker You are talking across him. I need to hear him.
Mr. Scott Pearman So the Premier quite rightly said that these tax credits, these QRTCs, (please forgive the jargon) have benefits over other tax credits. No doubt that is true. But to be fair, they also have detriments over other tax credits. One is that they are complicated, and again, I don’t think …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Mr . Scott Pearman: That if there is a surplus, that that surplus be assigned to the reduction of debt first and second to our crumbling infrastructure. Another stress test that if not absent is certainly not very evident is the cost of implementation. And again with your leave, …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And if tax revenue does not materialise, and we don’t know if it will and we don’t know if it won’t, but if it does not, this is an infrastructure that we are going to create at great cost. So, we like the fact that it is independent. And we …
Mr. Scott Pearman So, not too long ago, in the 1980s , it was said that we were at the end of history.
The Speaker The Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman We were remarking on the fact that peace had s uddenly broke out across the globe and we had put as ide the human behaviour that was so terrible. And we dec lared victory. And of course, how premature that was, Mr. Speaker, because now we stand here today with …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And what I draw from that, as awful as that is, is that human nature can be variable. So, if people paint an overly simplistic picture, please be wary. It is complicated. There are twists; there are turns. The benefits may come, and we hope they do. But the potential …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman So beware. If you hear, No one will leave. Stop. Think. Of course, some will leave. If you hear, This will solve all our problems and you will never have to pay tax again because IB will pay. Stop. Think. Maybe, maybe if things go well. But also maybe not. …
Mr. Scott Pearman Indeed. So, it is not an inevitability. And anyone who says that it is an inevitability, I think I would ask them to rethink. That is a very easy argument to make. But it is not necessarily accurate. Again, I point to what I pointed to earlier —the United States, …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Scott Pearman And again, because this is not a black -and-white, cut -and-dried issue, it is an issue with complication, let me say the key point against. The key point against is that there may well be a departure of international business for jurisdictions who say to t he OECD, No, we …
Mr. Scott Pearman Nobody . . . and I hear Thank God!, from the MP Jache Adams from behind me. Well, I am sorry that this was boring for you, sir. I will end where I started. Nobody wants more taxes. Yes, these taxes will be applied to a limited section of the …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Pearman. Does any other Member — Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I am just trying to quote Standing Orders, and if I may, after a particular Member takes his seat, I may rise. I would just ask if the Honourable Member could please just give—I did …
Mr. Scott Pearman Well, all I can say, it was in there. We did receive some amendments. I do not know if it is no longer, but I thought that there was a Corporate Income Tax Authority in there. It was certainly discussed in the briefing. Is it not in the Bill?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member I don’t think so.
Mr. Scott Pearman If I am wrong about that, I will absolutely accept that I am wrong about that. Certainly we have been told that there would be an independent Corporate Income Tax Authority (or agency) and we certainly . . . well, administration I am told by my colleague MP Susan Jackson. …
Mr. Scott Pearman I’m sorry. Minister Hayward seems to be chirping from the side. I don’t know if it is something important —
The Speaker The Speaker You speak to me. Speak to me.
Mr. Scott Pearman —for him to say. He can speak later. But Honourable Premier, if that is not the case and if I am mistaken, then perhaps you could clarify whether or not there will be an independent agency as we had thought that there would be. Thank you.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. Now, does any . . . Minister Furbert? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. This has been a very interesting half an hour, I guess, forty -five minutes from the Honourable Member. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member had to make me smile in many aspects …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Yes. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Just trying to scare the public on what he thinks . . . what he thinks. There was no relevance as far as what was in the Bill. The kind words that . . . I thought I would have heard something from …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Point of order. POINT OF ORDER [Imputing improper motive]
Mr. Scott Pearman He is quite clearly imputing improper motive. I have never said that, nor do I think it. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Well, sure, he feels that way. [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member feels that way. That he knows more than most honour-able tax people in Bermuda. The …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member To be clarified. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I do not need a clarification from the Honourable Member Mr. Dunkley. I don’t need any clarification from the Honourable Member at all.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Do you want a clarification, Mr. Speaker? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: No, I don’t need a clarification. [Inaudible interjections and laughter ] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: I said I have been in this Honourable House for 30- some years. [Inaudible interjections] B ermuda House of Assembly Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Which s ide? [Inaudible interjections and laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: N ot your s ide. Not your side. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: The Honourable Member should know that. [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, the good book says that Where there is no vision, the …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member They don’t have it. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: What would they have done if they were in Government? Would they jus t be sitting around waiting for things to come about in the future? Waiting for the Cayman Is lands to dec ide what they are going to do? Waiting …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Wayne, you want a c opy of the Bill? [Laughter] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I know more about taxes than the Honourable Member there who knows . . . he just lives upon milk. [Inaudible interjec tions and laughter]
Some Hon. Members Some Hon. Members Tax cow. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speak er, this Bill before us is 63 pages and 53 clauses. Mr. Speaker, the Bill speaks to corporate income tax charging provisions. It speaks to In Scope entities determination. It speaks to tax credits. It speaks to taxable loss, taxable adjustments, allocation …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Why not? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We need to wait until the tax committee reports. And that is why we have in place these highly educated tax accountants, lawyers and that whole other group so that we look at what we are going to do with particular revenue. [Inaudible interjections] …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Hmmm. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Some may leave; some may come. Even as we sit here today, Mr. Speaker, there are companies that have actually left Bermuda for certain reasons, for some reason or the other, and re- located to other jurisdictions.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Like who? Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: But, Mr. Speaker, also those companies have come in.
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Give me an example. Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: We have had a large increase in international business. The Honourable Member of Economic Development will report that — [Inaudible interjections] Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: —will be able to say that. We have had a significant growth in international business, Mr. Speaker, …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister Furbert. 284 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? As we are looking for other Members, let me remind you that it is 30- minute time limit on each Member now that …
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson Mr. Speaker, I had hoped to speak a little bit later, but so be it. Mr. Speaker, I guess there is a saying, Where is Waldo? Then I guess there is a question of, What does Curtis think? [Laughter]
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson So, I will put the two together. [Laughter]
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson So, from the start, Mr. Speaker, I would like to kind of announce that I am supportive of this legislation and supportive of what it is intending to do. It is my view that this is the right thing to do and our decision to embrace the OECD initiative is …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson The hardest thing in the world to disprove is a negative. And notwithstanding all the work that Bermuda has done, notwithstanding all of the accolades that we have garnered from various international bodies around being a compliant, transparent jurisdiction, we still get tagged with the moniker “tax ha-ven.” And perhaps …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Curtis L. Dickinson And for today I am going to suspend my ability to kind of tell you what I think is going to come next, because I do not want to add any more clouds over this. But I think doing this is the right thing. And so I have told those …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Adams. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Jache Adams Oh, I jumped the gun? [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker MP Adams, you have the floor.
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, let me first, similar to Minister Campbell, let me first acknowledge the Herculean effort it took to get us to this point. I cannot thank the civil servants and members of the private sector enough for putting in the long hours and the double duties. For while in …
Mr. Jache Adams Mr. Speaker, today is the day we finally get to discuss the Corporate Income Tax Bill. To-day is the day we discuss fundamental tax reform for this country. Today is the day we pass a significant milestone that I believe will lead to a brighter and more prosperous future. Now, …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Befuddled?
Mr. Jache Adams —as to why the OBA would come with a last -minute amendment that appears to try and circumvent the work of the Tax Reform Commission which the One Bermuda Alliance themselves are a part of. Mr. Speaker, the Government empanelled the Tax Reform Commission comprising of reputable accountants and lawyers …
Mr. Jache Adams Today. Hon. E. David Burt: Today!
Mr. Jache Adams We can get political where the PLP blames the OBA, and the OBA blames the PLP regarding our debt, but again, not one person can deny that as a result of this Government consistently outperforming expectations, we have now positioned ourselves on 290 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Adams. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? MP Dunkley, you have the floor. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, thank you and good evening. I managed to get my waiver from my col-league who spoke before me. Mr. Speaker, let me …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member That’s my boy. [Laughter] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I’m not finished. Hon. E. David Burt: It’s okay to tell the truth. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: The Premier said, It’s okay to the truth. I do tell the truth. I endeavour to tell the truth all the time, but I speak …
The Speaker The Speaker The time is 6:14. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Okay. Good. [Inaudible interjections ] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I got it. Mr. Speaker, let me spend a few moments just discussing the conversation around the amendment. I am frankly surprised by the Honourable Premier’s reaction. And when I read the press …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member A baby? Hon. Derrick V. Burgess, Sr.: Oh, Michael. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Well, when you are close to having a baby, you are excited, but you feel pain be-cause the reality of what is going to happen has taken hold. But he never said they disagree with it. [ …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member Come on, Mike, you can’t speak to that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, I cannot speak to having a baby. But my wife had two, and the way she cussed at me, I know she was in pain.
The Speaker The Speaker We thought you were speaking from experience that time. We were getting a little concerned. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: Mr. Speaker, I am talking directly to you.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead now. [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: No, this is serious.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. [ Inaudible interjections] Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: It is deep in my heart. It is deep in my heart. You know, this amendment is not about policy. We are not belittling the people who spent countless hours of their time getting involved. This is not about policy. This is …
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member You can’t say that. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: And right . . . no problem with that. There is no problem with that whatsoever. I have been in the political process for some time. That is what democracy is all about, Mr. Speaker. And so, if you do not like …
The Speaker The Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Michael H. Dunkley: I made my point on that. And I will just finish by reiterating the fact that while the journey has started, there is a lot more that has to be done. And I am sure we are going to have many more conversations in regard …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Dunkley. Does anyone else wish to make a contribution at this time? Anyone else? MP Richardson. And it’s getting late. I am going to use a clock just to keep everyone on track now.
The Speaker The Speaker Go ahead. B ermuda House of Assembly Mr. Anthony Richardson: Good evening, Mr. Speaker, my colleagues and to those in the listening audience. Mr. Speaker, today I learned something new. I was not aware of it, but according to MP Scott Pearman, MP Craig Cannonier said to beware if inspiration …
Mr. Anthony Richardson And that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I believe is what characterises the response by MP Scott Pearman tonight as he said on behalf of all of his colleagues that desperation appears to have been his inspiration. Based upon what he has said, based upon his commenta ry, Mr. Deputy Speaker, it …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker [No microphone]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If you listen to the delivery of MP Scott Pearman, you would think that the sky is falling and there will be no tomorrow. As I said, desperation appears to have been his inspiration. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Honourable Michael Dunkley . . . I …
Mr. Scott Pearman Sorry. Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. POINT OF ORDER [Misleading]
Mr. Scott Pearman I am afraid the Honourable Member is misleading the House. That is not a correct characterisation of the two speeches given by the Opposition. Thank you.
Mr. Anthony Richardson Mr. Deputy Speaker, I ap-preciate the point of order. But I go back to my opinion is that the Honourable Scott Pearman gave a characterisation as if the sky is falling. MP Dunkley spoke of collaboration, and had some level of appreciation for what has taken place. So, I will …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Perhaps you could correct the speaker. Thank you.
Mr. Anthony Richardson I take the point that “reject” might be too strong. Maybe it is better to say that it is not the best ultimate advice. Maybe that is a better way to put it. That is not as strong as “rejected. ” Let me try again. [Crosstalk]
Mr. Anthony Richardson My point is that the Member’s commentary, as I said earlier, was relatively negative in terms of the legislation. So, I accept that maybe the word “reject” is too strong, so I will leave that alone. But my point is that the Government put together a sig-nificant number of experts …
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes. Sure. Okay. I will move from that point. And just, everybody already knows what my thought is, what my impression Bermuda House of Assembly is based upon the speaker who came first on behalf of the entire OBA. Going back to the family analogy, you have to think about …
Mr. Anthony Richardson I’ve got you. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Understood. Understood. And so I am not — [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Anthony Richardson Yes, I am not being critical of the process. I am commenting and there may be op-portunity later on to say more things about this. It is the recognition of professional advice that has been received. I will actually end on that because when we get to it . . …
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Deputy Speaker, if you will allow me, I would like to read something from your favourite newspaper from 2015. [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous Beg pardon? [Inaudible interjections and laughter]
Mr. Christopher Famous You were close, pretty close. Pretty close. 1“International CEO states the case for corporate tax. John Charman: Corporate tax in Bermuda is inevitable.” March 17, 2015. “A top insurance [ industry ] boss believes that a tax on company profits is inevita-ble—” and goes on to say, “and would be …
Mr. Christopher Famous You said most definitely? [Inaudible interjections]
Mr. Christopher Famous Okay. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I was in St. Lucia in 2019 at a conference and the topic of global tax came up. I am using this as a timeline. And one of Bermuda’s chief competitors was highly upset when global tax . . . when it seemed that global tax …
Mr. Christopher Famous —is put stuff out in the media, whether directly themselves or through their supporters. And they stir up this fearmongering. Oh, there has been no consultation. Well, that is false because the former Premier just said he is complimenting the OBA for consultation. Oh, this will scare companies away . …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Christopher Famous All I would say is that for whoever is the Government , whether it is us or in 20 years’ time when the OBA wins an election, we have to manage the expectations of what comes out of this cor-porate income tax. Maybe we make a billion [dollars] a year; …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Honourable Member MP Famous. Any further speakers? The Chair recognises the Honourable Deputy Premier, Walter Roban. You have the floor, sir. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . It has been an interesting evening around the discussion of this corporate income tax Bill—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —and certainly many of my colleagues have covered some very good ground and have said much of what has had to be said. And that is always appreciated because it means the rest of us don’t have to say too much.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. [Laughter] Hon. Walter H. Roban: But I will say a few words, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Firstly, let’s put some historical perspective on this, Mr. Deputy Speaker . The Progressive Labour Party has always . . . and I say always had a clear purpose around tax from the very beginning. And in some cases . . . well, actually, we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: At the very beginning in 1963, and if you will allow me just to read a few lines —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Continue. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —Mr. Deputy Speaker, it brings clarity to the purpose upon which we are fulfilling today when it comes to the Progressive Labour Party and our ideology and philosophy and the consistency of it. It says this, in the 1963 platform, An investigation of sources of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: This has been something that the Progressive Labour Party has always had an eye on for our country because of the historical inequities economically, the historical inequities in labour prac-tices and the historical social inequities in where wealth was di stributed and placed. This has …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —to the point where we had at some point had to say we will not introduce income tax. That was something that followed consistently in PLP statements as to lower the fear that the issue of tax had been imposed on this country. And let’s …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: That is now what’s happening, that wasn’t maybe decades ago. But the reality is now transparency around your corporate practices, your profits, are what is demanded internationally. Thankfully, and this is perhaps the part that has finally helped the PLP’s position in this now is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —as the Honourable Member Minister Hayward said. Our value proposition to companies that are here now is wider than the issue of just paying a differ-ent form of taxation . . . I will call it that because it is not that people, like he …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: They pay different taxes than what is paid in other jurisdictions. And I might add, even places like the United States and others who maybe haven’t signed on to this particular movement around the global minimum tax, they have had corporate income tax for years. …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And corporate taxes have existed in most developed jurisdictions for quite some time. So corporate income taxes are a uniform existence in many countries already. It is not something alien in existence. But here we are and we have proven over time to be the …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: But the reality is that Bermuda has decided to take an approach that will be best for Bermuda. I just want to touch on this issue, it came up earlier ironically, the Premier sort of put it out there and Bermuda House of Assembly …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Sovereignty is about taking the best approach to your interests. It means having a tax policy that works for you. It means having an economic policy that works for you. It means having a regulatory framework and a system of governance that works for you, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: That is what we have done here and we have taken an approach with this which has been collaborative, which has been deliberate and purposeful. The irony, as has been already stated, is this has been done in full cooperation with the corporate community. But …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: Supporting Bermuda in coming to terms with this issue, which is an international issue and ensuring that Bermuda has the best framework that allows them to be healthy in their operations here is the best way to go.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And they have done that. So they have helped and worked with the Government to put together this legislation, the International Tax [Working] Group, which worked on it. And then of course there is now the Tax Commission that is going to deal with other …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: —Mr. Deputy Speaker , not to make an accusation.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Walter H. Roban: It appears to be bypassing this process that was created for us to deal with this matter. That is the appearance. Now those who are supporting that amendment, perhaps they will get an opportunity to make rep-resentations around their proposed amendment. But the appearance is …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I think that this is a process that despite how laborious or perhaps how long it will take, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that will be worth it because it stands to have impacts long into the future for our country in ways that I believe, certainly …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm. Hon. Walter H. Roban: And that doesn’t necessarily fit the modern world that we are in now. We know that the system of taxation that we have certainly for payroll tax has implications for labour and for workers and it es-sentially puts a burden on workers and also makes …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you. Hon. Walter H. Roban: I wish to thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to speak on this and I look forward to the rest of the debate. Thank you.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Premier. Any further speakers? Minister Rabain. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . Mr. Deputy Speaker, it is . . . I know we get tired of hearing this when you say, Oh I wasn’t expect-ing to speak , but—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, we do. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —you get motivated when we are talking about legislation like this. It is landmark legislation. There isn’t a lot more that can be said here. It is really one of those things that you think everyone is on the same page and …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Well, that was cleared up. Bermuda House of Assembly Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And so —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker You don’t have to go over it again. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Well, bear with me, Mr. Deputy Speaker —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, but we don’t want to be repetitious up here. [Laughter] Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: What we do . . . what we do want . . . what I do want to spell out, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is we have seen this story before. You have been around …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And it is actually tiring to listen to his inuendo statements that he makes on a reg-ular basis, whether it be in social media comments to the media and the like. And it is really frustrating to hear because we have been there, we …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: You give them this . . . you . . . They put this in place and there is a whole bunch of money. Watch what is going to happen. Not anything for you. But, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have said (and it has …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Imagine if persons were home hungry unable to buy food, unable to pay rent, unable to live, but they could ride on smooth roads. So those are the decisions. They are not good . . . they are not great decisions because you now …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And if you will allow me —
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: 2November 1 an op- ed by the Member that sits in the other place and he said, “Importantly, how will the Government manage its finances and budget,” (Aah, there are those trick words again.) " when the amount of tax revenue can vary greatly …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: “Will the sinking fund be resurrected rather than emptied? Will we create a sover-eign fund like Ireland has [done] with its recent strong tax revenues? Perhaps we should create laws about how much debt the Government must pay [ down] with each budget.” Why …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Has he talked about this? Has he come and said, Hey, let’s have a conversation around this before the Bill is tabled. But yet after the Bill is tabled this amendment miraculously appears and says almost exactly what he said on November 1 but …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: A time when we should be setting the bar high for other countries that are looking at us and saying, Look what they are doing. Look how they are working together. Look what they are accomplishing. But instead we are getting the same old …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Mr. Deputy Speaker, and you know what, one of the biggest things that I realised at 18 years old starting university is that Bermuda is a very politely racist place.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Because when I went to school, the things that I would accept as normal lan-guage my colleagues in school were like (and I won’t use the language they would use), What is going on in your country that that would even be acceptable to …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Break it down, yes. You got to break it down for — Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Reprogrammed myself and understood that this Island had a long way to go—
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: —and the more we keep hearing from persons like the Member that sits in the other place, who pretends to be our friend or the friend of Bermuda but honestly he probably doesn’t even recognise that he is offensive in the language that he …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Put the people of Bermuda first for a change and be genuine about it. Be sincere about it. Make it feel like you actually do care that Bermudians need to come first in their country and that we (as a collective) can get this …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Have that come- to-Jesus conversation with yourself in the mirror.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Glory. Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: And say, How can I reject my social programming that makes me subliminally try and point out that those people over there can’t get it done because of who they are not because of what they can or can’t do. Thank you, Mr. Deputy …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you for not being repetitious. That was . . . oh, we have one more. Thank you, Minister Rabain. Bermuda House of Assembly Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch: Yes.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker That was . . .
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Do you acknowledge me?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker I am acknowledging Minister Burch.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch Oh, thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker . I shan’t be very long— [Laughter]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you so much.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch I stood . . . I agree with everything that folks on this side have said.
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch But I noted that my colleague who just spoke forgot to do something. So I am going to do it for him. [Laughter]
Lt. Col. Hon. David A. Burch And that is to ask the Minister of Finance to remove that person from the Committee because it does not appear to me as if in any way, shape or form are they interested in following the procedure. They would much rather give their sub-missions to the peopl e via …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Thank you, Minister Burch. [Desk thumping]
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Kim Swan. Mr. Swan, please—
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Please observe what has been said.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Mr. Deputy Speaker, I will.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Okay.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I have been listening intently and the Honourable Minister Rabain prompted me to be reminded of the bogeyman. And the bogey-man in Bermuda politics was independence and income tax.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Those two words could cause persons . . . and I declare my interest. I ran for election in 1983, which this is the 40 th year, so it was quite some time ago when I first ran. And I remember that when you had elections percolating around that time, …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan I voted for it in 1995. I stood at the polls for it in 1995 while supporting a conservative government at the time and a leader who would have you (at that time) think today that he didn’t support it but recruited persons based on it. Some persons would allow …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The other word was income tax and the Progressive Labour Party, because I know when I first came into the legislature in November of 1998 as a Senator and served in another place, we had a library then at the House of Assembly and it had all the speeches of …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And that is worth noting given when historians look back on this country and they look back with a fine- tooth comb to see what took place in the 1950s. Who benefited from the system that took place in the 1950s and before?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Who are the beneficiaries of the system that [was] put in place, and who was calling for a more fair and equitable system in this country? And then who (when given the opportunity) did things that were fair?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The Progressive Labour Party by far!
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan In many spheres, as persons used those code words, dog whistles as persons use, my colleagues in the United States would say that dog whistle language that allowed people to get tickled up and feel uncomfortable. Oh, I don’t feel comfortable. I don’t feel comfortable about what they would do …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan MP Dunkley spoke well when he referred to the balance that is needed when persons out there were to pretend to be your friend until something comes along that benefits them better and then you find out how friendly or how much of a friend you are. I know a …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But I won’t go there. I will certainly stick to this—
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —wicket that is very important. I think it is important to repeat some of the facts as they exist on this subject matter because we in this country would ignore that if . . . and I will say this, as someone who has stood firm all my life to …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But the historians when they look back and they say, My, my, my what fair - minded people we have!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Sounds like Joe Brown .
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan You know, so many questions that were . . . how will this new corporate income tax affect Bermudian businesses, Mr. Deputy Speaker ?
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, I am told that local Bermuda businesses will not be impacted by the proposed corporate income tax. Will not! And, you know, wills and shalls and mays and maybes says will not .
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Not. B ermuda House of Assembly Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: But, if you let somebody that is anti -PLP who has the pen (they say the pen is mightier than the sword, right?) who are out there writing let me find a way to create a new bogeyman . …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Because all the narratives around persons who are trying to find every way to . . . and if ever there was a subject, I think MP Dunkley did some justice there in that if there is ever a subject that certainly needs a bipartisan flair, it is here today. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And that is a reality that we must be prepared for. And the type of people that we are collectively in this country, I know we would rise to the occasion—together too!
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm. Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan: Just like Hurricane Emily and Hurricane Fabian and Hurricane Fay (that snuck up on us), we would find a way. So what is the answer to that, How does corporate income tax benefit Bermuda ? The Government aims to reduce the cost of living …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Mm-hmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan The Bank of Butterfield had to come to the PLP Government for a guarantee to survive. You see these people who get laid off at their jobs around Christmas time and stuff like that, right. It wasn’t the Progressive Labour Party’s, from our policies, that caused this. It was boardroom …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Bring it back to the Bill.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Well, I am talking about how we deal with this corporate . . . and I am asking . . . and I digressed.
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Yes, you did. [ Inaudible interjections and laughter ]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But I haven’t talked about Louis Corbin or Uncle Herman yet. [ Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Because the bet was that he couldn’t get up without talking about him and I said I love him so much I am going to mention their names in spite of it. [ Laughter]
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan But the corporate income tax on global companies will generate, Mr. Deputy Speaker, additional revenues to allow the Government to restructure additional domestic taxes. The Government , just like the Government has a manifesto, has been confronted with something that wasn’t on the ta-ble, that came after the whole world …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —it will be put in writing again so that we can then start saying we are doing this, we are working in this direction. There are no guesses. There is no guessing as to what we are going to do. The bogeyman doesn’t have currency in the PLP. It did …
The Deputy Speaker Deputy Speaker Hmmm.
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan And when you are brought up with the bogeyman, sometimes you can’t shake it. So maybe that is some personal therapy for persons who might be able to look in the mirror and see that the bogeyman still lives on their door. But this country needs to move beyond that. …
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan How did corporate income tax come about? That is another question. The Ministr y of Finance created an I nternational Tax Working Group. The D eputy S peaker: That has b een covered, y ou know.
Mr. H ubert (Kim ) E. S wan Yes. [Laughter]
Mr. Huber t (Kim ) E. Swan Bu t it is importan t to cover — The Deput y Speaker: Yes —
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan —a nd state because everybody has a different constituency that sometimes buys into that and that is why we have 30 . . . this many Members . . . and I certainly have a constituency that listens and I certainly want to make sure that in the country vernacular …
Mr. H ubert (Kim) E. S wan Good evening, Mr. Speaker . So nice to s ee you.
The Speaker The Speaker Good ev ening.
Mr. H ubert (Kim) E. Swan Cousin was j ust about ready t o go a nd put t he gavel o n me. [Laughter]
Mr. H ubert (Kim ) E. S wan In closing, Mr. S peaker — [Laughter]
Mr. H ubert (Kim) E. Swan The final po ints, When will corporat e income tax c ome i nto effect? When will Government receive tax revenues? are all very important points. All v ery important t hings. But i t is ant icipated, Mr. S peaker, that t he corporate income tax w ill begin …
The Speaker The Speaker Does any other Member wish to speak to the matter?
An Hon. Member An Hon. Member No. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker No other Member? Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I would just ask if you would reset my time. I will not try to be too long but I know there were some comments that came so I want to make sure that I, as I close the principles …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Premier is imputing motive. There is no suggesting that we know better and we were very clear that no one knows because it is a speculative terrain that we are embarking upon. 312 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of …
Mr. Scott Pearman Point of order, Mr. Speaker . The Honourable Premier is misleading the House. The expression of concern is not a statement that what you are concerned about is right or wrong. It is an expression of concern which is perfectly legitimate. To impute a motive and suggest that we are …
Mr. Scott Pearman Which you are doing right now. Hon. E. David Burt: So here we go, Mr. Speaker . We heard the Honourable Member say be very wary of people who say bad things will not happen. And every-one said, Who said that? [Inaudible interjections] Hon. E. David Burt: Be very wary …
The Speaker The Speaker Deputy, hold on one sec. Premier? Before we go to Committee, I think it is only fitting that I deal with the matter that I think should be dealt with from my Chair. I am aware of the fact that the Opposition intend to bring an amendment to the Bill …
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, will you hear me for the record?
The Speaker The Speaker I will hear you for the record. Mr. Scott Pearman: I am grateful. Mr. Speaker, our argument would be this: Standing Order 28 provides for certain prohibitions that would not allow us to move an amendment to a money order bill. None of those prohi-bitions apply in this instance. I …
The Speaker The Speaker I gave you the opportunity. And as I stated before that, I have made my ruling. My ruling was based on the fact that that same reference that you make speaks to the Consolidated Fund. Any funds that are generated from this new taxation will go into the Consolidated Fund …
The Chairman Chairman Honourable Members, we are now in Committee of the whole [House] for further considera-tion of the Bill entitled the Corporate Income Tax Act 2023 Premier, Minister of Finance, David Burt you have the floor. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Chairman, I would …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, clause 1 provides for the citation. Clause 2 provides for the interpretation of terms used in the Bill. Clause 3 provides that the Minister may, by the negative resolution procedure, promulgate regulations relating to any aspect of the Act. …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Any other speakers? There appear to be none. You want to— Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 1, 2 and 3 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 1 to 3 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 1 through 3 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move clauses 4 through 7.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, clause 4 is the charging provision which provides for the imposition of corporate income tax on the net taxable income (less any applicable tax credits) of Bermuda entities in scope of the Act. Notwithstanding any assurance given …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clauses 4 through 7? There appear to be none. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 4 through 7 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 4 through 7 be approved. Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 4 through 7 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move Part 3 which is clauses …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much. Clause 8 makes provision for the grouping of the Bermuda entities of a multi- national group into various tax groups depending upon their tax attributes and makes provision for an election that allows filers to modify their tax grouping. Clause 9 …
The Chairman Chairman Any speakers to clauses 8 through 15? There appear to be none. Finance Minister — Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 8 through 15 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 8 through 15 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 8 through 15 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to move [Part] 4 which consists of clauses 16 …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Clause 16 provides a foreign tax credi t which is intended to mitigate the potential for double taxation of a Bermuda [Constituent Entity] Group. Examples of foreign taxes that may receive foreign tax credit treatment are federal excise taxes, …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any speakers to clauses 16 through 19? The Chair recognises the Honourable Member Scott Pearman. You have the floor.
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just on clause 19, which is at page 36 of the draft Bill. It says, “ The form and criteria for qualified refundable tax credits shall be as prescribed,” which is [clause] 19(1). The previous draft of the Bill said that the Minister shall by …
The Chairman Chairman Premier. Hon. E. David Burt: I am trying to find the page, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Scott Pearman Page 36 of the Bill. Hon. E. David Burt: Maybe I am not understanding which differences he is referring to. The only Bill that he could be referring to is the Bill that was tabled in the House last week, and a marked- up copy, and I do not believe …
Mr. Scott Pearman Yes, the previous draft said that the Minister shall by regulation prescribe. The current draft, which we are debating, just says “shall be as prescribed.” And I am just wondering who is prescribing. Is it still the Minister by regulation, or is it someone else? Thank you. Hon. E. David …
Mr. Scott Pearman I am content with that answer. Thank you.
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Any further speakers to clauses 16 through 19? There appear to be none. Bermuda House of Assembly Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 16 through 19 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman It has been moved that clauses 16 through 19 be approved. Are there any objections? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 16 through 19 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would now like to move Part 5, which is clauses 20 through 25.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 20 provides for the calculation of a Bermuda constituent entity’s taxable income or loss. Clause 21 provides for the calculation of a Bermuda constituent entity’s financial accounting net income or loss, which is the first line item used in calcu-lating …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any speakers for clauses 22 through 25? There appear to be none. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 20 through 25 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that? There appear to be no objections. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 20 through 25 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would now like to move Part 6, Taxable Adjustments, which is clauses 26 through 37.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clauses 26 through 35 provide for a series of adjustments to financial accounting net income or loss, including introducing transitional provisions to prevent distortions caused by subjecting an entity to corporate income tax for the first time in respect of historical …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you. Are there any speakers to clauses 26 through 37? There appear to be none . Minister. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that clauses 26 through 37 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 26 through 37 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, at this point in time I would like to move Parts 7, 8 and 9, which are clauses 38 …
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Clause 38 contains rules for the allocation of taxable income or loss in respect of flow -through entities that are ultimate parent entities. Clause 39 contains rules for allocations in respect of investment [entities ] in order to achieve …
The Chairman Chairman Thank you, Premier. Are there any speakers to clauses 38 through 50? There appear to be none .
Mr. Premier. Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move the final provisions which are clauses 51 through—
The Chairman Chairman Let’s get these clauses approved first. Hon. E. David Burt: Oh, sorry. Thank you very much. That is kind of important. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 38 through 50 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any objections to that? There appear to be none. Clauses 38 through 50 are approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 38 through 50 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I now move clauses 51 through 53.
The Chairman Chairman Continue. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, very much, Mr. Chairman. Clause 51 makes provision for consequential amendments. Clause 52 gives the Minister the power to make consequential and transitional regulations. Clause 53 provides for the commencement.
The Chairman Chairman Are there any speakers to clauses 51 through 53? There are none. Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that clauses 51 through 53 be approved.
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to clauses 51 through 53 being approved? There are none. Approved. [Motion carried: Clauses 51 through 53 passed.] Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this point in time I move that the preamble be approved. Bermuda House of Assembly The Chairman: It has been moved …
The Chairman Chairman Any objections to the Bill being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill will be reported. Mr. Speaker. [Motion carried: The Corporate Income Tax Bill 2023 was considered by a Committee of the whole House and passed without amendment.] House resumed at 9:10 pm [Hon. Dennis …
The Speaker The Speaker Members, are there any objections to the Bill entitled the Corporate Income Tax Bill 2023 being reported to the House as printed? There are none. The Bill has been reported as printed. That brings us to a close of the items on the Order Paper. We will go to our …
Mr. Scott Pearman Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand this was introduced earlier by MP Adams’ motion. So, I am reading Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023. PETITION MEANWHILE INSURANCE BITCOIN (BERMUDA) LIMITED ACT 2023
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that the following petition together with the report of the Parlia-mentary Joint Select Committee on Private Bills, which was presented on 15 December 2023, be now considered, namely the petition of Appleby (Bermuda) Limited for the Standard Crypto Insurance- Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited, an exempted company incorporated …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? Agreed to.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move for leave to introduce and read for the first time by its title the following Private Bill entitled Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? Agreed to.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that the prayers of the petitioner be granted and to give effect thereto that without prejudice leave be granted to bring the proposed Bill reprinted to accord with the recom-mendations of the Parliamentary Joint Select Committee on Pri vate Bills for the amendment thereof.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? Agreed to. The necessary certificates have been furnished. PRIVATE BILL FIRST READING MEANWHILE INSURANCE BITCOIN (BERMUDA) LIMITED ACT 2023
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, the Private Bill is hereby read for the first time by its title only: Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023. STANDING ORDER 33(7)(a)
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that under the provisions of Standing Order 33(7)(a) the remaining stages of the said Private Bill be undertaken forthwith.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. Agreed to. PRIVATE BILL SECOND READING MEANWHILE INSURANCE BITCOIN (BERMUDA) LIMITED ACT 2023
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that the said Private Bill be now read the second time in this House 320 15 December 2023 Official Hansard Report Bermuda House of Assembly by its title only: Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? Agreed to.
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that the clauses and preamble of the said Private Bill be approved.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? Agreed. [Motion carried: Clauses and preamble approved.] PRIVATE BILL THIRD READING MEANWHILE INSURANCE BITCOIN (BERMUDA) LIMITED ACT 2023
Mr. Scott Pearman Mr. Speaker, I move that the said Private Bill be now read for the third time in this House by its title only and passed: Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023.
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? None. Agreed. The said Private Bill has now passed. Thank you, MP Pearman. [Motion carried: The Private Bill, Meanwhile Insurance Bitcoin (Bermuda) Limited Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker We will now do the third readings of the Bills that were done earlier. The first one was the . . . the other is for consent, so, Premier, you can do your income tax and go down the order. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank …
The Speaker The Speaker Are there any objections? There are none. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING CORPORATE INCOME TAX ACT 2023 Hon. E. David Burt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move that the Bill entitled the Corporate Income Tax Act 2023 be now read for a third time by its …
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Corporate Income Tax Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. The next one is the Bermuda Monetary Authority. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move a Bill entitled the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 to now be read for the …
The Speaker The Speaker Any objections? There are none. Proceed. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] BILL THIRD READING BERMUDA MONETARY AUTHORITY AMENDMENT ACT 2023 Hon. Wayne L. Furbert: Mr. Speaker, I move that the Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 be now read for a third time by its title only and passed.
The Speaker The Speaker The Bill has been read by its title only and is now passed. [Motion carried: The Bermuda Monetary Authority Amendment Act 2023 was read a third time and passed.]
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Members , for your participation today.
Mr. Premier. ADJOURNMENT Hon. E. David Burt premier Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bermuda House of Assembly Mr. Speaker, I move that this Honourable House do now adjourn until Friday, February 16, 2024. And I know there are Members who wish to speak.
The Speaker The Speaker Does any Member wish to speak? Opposition Leader, you have . . . wait a minute. Let me reset our clock. You have your 20 minutes. SEASON’S GREETINGS Hon. Jarion Richardson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate this opportunity to contribute during the motion to adjourn. Mr. Speaker, as we …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Opposition Leader. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Famous.
Mr. Christopher Famous Yes, and I will be very brief,
Mr. Speaker. The Speaker Let me reset the clock. Oops, something went wrong.
Mr. Christopher Famous Fifty-one minutes? Wow!
The Speaker The Speaker Something went wrong, there. Wait, wait, wait. Let’s clear that. [Laughter]
The Speaker The Speaker I know you don’t need that. There you go. SEASON’S GREETINGS
Mr. Christopher Famous Mr. Speaker, allow me to quote from what they call the Bible. Matthew 13:8. “Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop— a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.” Mr. Speaker, last week, Sunday, December 10, Christ Anglican Church had their annual candlelight service. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Famous. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution? MP Swan. SEASON’S GREETINGS
Mr. Hubert (Kim) E. Swan Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to follow on from MP Famous and take this opportunity to recognise that the Christmas spirit is upon us now, and to urge everyone in the community to do what they can to uphold that wonderful saying Be thy brother’s keeper. …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, MP Swan. MP Rabain. SEASON’S GREETINGS Hon. Diallo V. S. Rabain: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to . . . I rise to my feet pretty much in the same vein as my colleagues who went before me. I just want to ensure that …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Minister. Does any other Member wish to make a contribution at this time? Premier . . . well, before you go, I am going to ask for the indulgence of the House. I am going to call on the Government Whip to do something that the Deputy Speaker …
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, thank you. I hope to do justice as the Deputy would have.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that a message be sent to the Senate conveying Christmas and New Year’s greetings.
The Speaker The Speaker So moved. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] MESSAGE TO THE SENATE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR’S GREETINGS
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell To the Honourable the President and the Members of the Senate: The Speaker and the Members of the House of Assembly desire to extend to the President and Members of the Senate our greetings and best wishes for Christmas and the New Year. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that Christmas greetings and best wishes for the New Year be conveyed to His Honour the Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] MESSAGE TO THE SPEAKER CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR’S GREETINGS
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I move that His Honour the Speaker be requested to accept Christmas greetings and best wishes for the New Year from the Members of the House of Assembly.
The Speaker The Speaker Well, yes. SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 21
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell Mr. Speaker, I move that Standing Order 21 be suspended to enable me to move that Christmas greetings and best wishes for the New Year be conveyed to Her Excellency the Governor, Ms. Rena Lalgie.
The Speaker The Speaker Yes. [Motion carried: Standing Order 21 suspended.] MESSAGE TO THE GOVERNOR CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR’S GREETINGS
Mr. Neville S. Tyrrell I move that his Honour the Speaker, be requested to convey to Her Excellency the Governor, Ms. Rena Lalgie, and her family, hearty Christmas greetings and best wishes for the New Year from the Speaker and the Members of the House of As-sembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Speaker The Speaker The appropriate I documentation and notice of greetings will be sent. Thank you, Government Whip. Does any other Member [wish to speak] before the Premier? The Premier is on his feet. Premier, you have your 20 minutes. Hon. E. David Burt: Mr. Speaker, I think I am going to use …
The Speaker The Speaker I know you’re tired from all of the talking that you have done. SEASON’S GREETINGS Hon. E. David Burt: It has been a long day. It has been a long week. It has been a long year for many. But I want to start where the Honourable Minister of Education …
The Speaker The Speaker Thank you, Mr. Premier. Thank you, Members for your contribution today and throughout this session. Let me just take care of a little bit of housekeeping before I make my final comments. The house-keeping being that at the beginning of each session we normally name all of these committees and …
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